March 21, 2020 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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The month of March has been the we've been featuring a special series throughout this month that we're calling TPC's World Tour.
And the purpose of our world tour is to check in at different ports of call throughout Western civilization and find out how our kinsmen are faring.
And in the first three weeks of this month, we've checked in in Australia with Professor Andrew Fraser, Canada with Paul Fromm, in the United Kingdom last week, former member of European Parliament Nick Griffin, also in Sweden with Red Ice TV's Henrik Palmgren.
Tonight, in our first hour tonight, we checked in with retired Major General and current member of Croatia, Croatian parliament, Zelchko Glasnovich.
And as Keith and I were talking about in the break, to reiterate what we wouldn't give to have one congressman or one senator to speak the truth that that man spoke on this radio program in the last hour.
That is a member of his nation's parliament.
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Of our people.
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Now, we did say that in this month, we're going to exclusively limit our guests to representatives of foreign nations.
And that continues tonight with Mark Weber of California.
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Mark Weber is one of my all-time favorite guests.
He's at the very top, and you know that because he's one of the most frequently appearing guests that we have.
He is the director of the Institute for Historical Review.
He is an accomplished historian, a lecturer, a current affairs analyst, an author.
He was educated in the United States and Europe.
He holds a master's degree in modern European history.
And this is going to be a fantastic discussion tonight with Mark.
They all are.
But this one, I think, especially with regards to what's going on right now in the United States and really around the world.
He's returning to the show tonight to discuss what happens when a society feels threatened, as our society feels now with this coronavirus.
And if Americans can think in terms of long-term group survival, that is a provocative topic.
Mark, we turn it over to you.
Welcome back, my friend.
Thank you very much, James.
It's great to be on with you and Keith again.
It's always a pleasure.
You know, it's incredible we're having this discussion because it's remarkable how much just a few months difference can make.
The country right now, the Western world, Europe, the world is focused on the coronavirus.
Everybody's talking about it.
It dominates the news.
It dominates discussions of our politics.
And it was all basically unthinkable three or four or five months ago.
Nobody had imagined this.
And that's why I keep saying or quoting Mark Twain, who said that it's always dangerous to make predictions, especially about the future, because things can change very, very rapidly.
And this has really highlighted how rapidly not only the objective situation has changed, but also our discussion has changed.
In just the last few weeks, all the chatter about open borders and the wonders of diversity and openness and so forth has vanished.
Suddenly, I mean, after several years of a lot of discussion about whether and how the border with Mexico could be curtailed or controlled, suddenly it's closed.
I mean, this is an astonishing thing.
I mean, just in a few weeks, our national political leaders and the mass media have persuaded or cajoled Americans to change drastically their behavior in just a few weeks in response to this challenge.
And the challenge has shown in Europe and in the United States that when a crisis is faced, when a real severe situation is confronted, all the chatter about, oh, let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya just goes by the wayside.
And that's been the response in Europe and here in the United States.
In fact, we're not supposed to hold hands with anybody, I guess, right now, much less to sing kumbaya.
But this is a remarkable thing, and it's forcing everyone to rethink priorities, which is what crises do.
And so to that extent, it's a very good thing because it's made us recalibrate our assumptions, rethink our priorities, and that's all to the good.
Well, Mark, as you put out to your newsletter, to the IHR reading list, which thankfully I'm a part of, by the way, folks, support this man's work.
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He writes, tonight, the spreading pandemic and the tightening measures to counter it are shutting down normal life across the U.S. and Europe.
Pat Buchanan had a column about this as well this week, about how Americans are rebellious by nature, going back to prohibition, really anything the man tells us to do.
We're going to instinctively do the opposite.
So it is interesting, Mark's question, can Americans think in long-term group survival?
There are so many delicious aspects.
I mean, I know this is a serious issue.
I think that's a lot of people.
Right.
Or the Pea Party.
Right now, the polls show that the public is supportive of President Trump's response to all of this.
But that's always been true.
Whenever there's an immediate crisis, a war, and so forth, the general response immediately is to rally around the president leaders.
But that's going to change, I'm confident, in just a few weeks.
As the death rate toll increases and as millions of people start rebelling or resisting the restrictions that have been placed on behavior and on work and so forth, and as incomes start falling, we're going to see that change, just as that's changed in so many ways over the past 70 years.
When the president has launched a war, response to the Iraq war, the Vietnam War, 9-11, there's an immediate rallying around, but that's going to change.
We're going to have a very different discussion just in a few weeks or months from now than we're already having as this thing plays out and the deeper aspects of this coronavirus crisis become more and more apparent, I think.
Well, Mark, how are you doing over there in California?
I mean, I know that the restrictions there, and it's been interesting to see how the progression of this has continued on at such a slow pace.
I think if Donald Trump had instantly put us under martial law, that would have been too much too soon.
Each state is kind of doing its own thing, but California has a little bit progressed beyond where we are here in Tennessee even tonight, although we may be there next week.
How are you doing tonight in your port of call?
Well, we're okay.
I mean, I go into my office.
My secretary is probably not going to come in, at least for the foreseeable future.
But you know, it's funny here in California.
Yeah, lots of people are following the dictate or the order by the governor of California that everyone who's in non-essential work is supposed to stay home.
But in Hispanic areas or Latino areas of Los Angeles, they're still selling food on the streets.
Millions of people are just not paying attention to it.
Again, the diversity is a big problem, a data.
Not a strength.
Hold on right there, Mark.
We're coming up to our first break.
But thankfully, folks, we've got Mark Weber.
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Now, as we told you, folks, in the third hour tonight, yours truly and Keith Alexander are going to be breaking down the latest coronavirus headlines.
We're going to be offering our commentary on the shuttering of American businesses and its economic ramifications, the cash payments that will soon flow from the federal government, the potential of chloroquine, and the bright side of this unfortunate ordeal.
Now, our featured guest, our good friend Mark Weber, has just mentioned the fact that one of the inadvertent effects of this has been the closing of the borders.
I mean, how quickly, I hate to quote Lenin, and I'm only paraphrasing when I say this, but what did he say?
I mean, decades can pass and nothing will happen, but then weeks can pass and decades happen.
I mean, that's sort of where we're at.
And we're talking with Mark Weber.
Go ahead, Mark.
No, no, go ahead.
I'm sorry, James.
Yeah.
No, no, I was just going to say, the provocative question, the very interesting conversational topic.
What happens when a society feels threatened?
Let's pick it up there and hear your takes on that, and then we'll continue.
Well, we've seen how different countries in Europe have reacted to this, how China has reacted, and Japan.
One thing that's obvious is that all the talk of European Union solidarity and how liberal democracy is going to make everybody work together in Europe just popped like a soap bubble when the crisis hit.
Each European country was looking first and foremost to what's going to be good for its own people and its own, and they began closing down borders.
I mean, this is an extraordinary thing.
It's another major blow to the European Union and the principles on which it's based.
That already is a remarkable thing.
I mean, the European Union, which is supposed to be modeled ultimately after a kind of United States of Europe, the United States model, in which everybody's all supposed to get along together under one unified government, that's already took a big blow when Britain left the European Union.
It's been a big blow.
There's another big blow in 2015 with the major immigration crisis and the immigration problem since then.
And now the response to the coronavirus has shown an utter lack of solidarity.
The president of Serbia made this point explicitly.
He said the European Union and its much heralded solidarity has vanished entirely.
He says we can rely more on China than we can on the European Union.
That's already a major thing.
It's forcing people to look at where priorities really lie.
Now, the way in which countries respond is also going to reflect the character of the leadership of the country and the character of the people in that country.
China has been able to react much more authoritatively and much more quickly to the crisis than the United States or Italy, for example.
Supposedly, now the number of deaths in Italy is greater than in China, even though Italy has only a very small percentage of the overall population of China, because China has and is able to take sweeping draconian measures very quickly in a way that Italy and even more so the United States will not.
That's why the governor of California said the other day that he thinks that half the population of California is going to come down with this coronavirus.
That's an astonishing thing.
In other words, the measures that are being taken to curtail it are largely going to be ineffective.
And we're going to see a lot of reaction to that in the next few weeks.
All the talk about pumping money into the economy, that's also highlighted a fundamental weakness of our system.
We don't have the money.
Already, we're living on the federal credit card.
Already, we're paying for the good, what then?
I said, we just print it up.
Well, what we do is give the bill to our children and grandchildren.
And none of the political leaders of the United States, either Democrat or Republican, even begin to address this problem of national debt, much less even trying to tackle the increase in payments on the interest on the national debt that grow each year.
But see, this is all characteristic of Democratic of a democracy because the leaders are all focused on the short term.
They're focused above all in getting re-elected with the hope that problems are not going to hit them while they're in office, and they're never held accountable anyway.
This is a fundamental weakness of our system, whether it's Democratic or Republican.
Mark, this is Keith.
You were contrasting and comparing the Italian response to the Chinese response.
Yes.
One thing that I heard is that Northern Italy has an extraordinary number of Chinese or Asian people in its population, and rather than moving with draconian discipline to shut the place down, the top politicians in northern Italy were saying, find a Chinese person to hug.
It would seem that there's some basic difference in the approach of the Orientals to the Europeans.
What do you say about that?
Is that the reason why we're again doing this?
Again, I haven't followed this in great detail, but it seems like many Italians didn't take it very seriously.
Here in America, they're telling people not to meet in large groups, and yet, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of young people are all still headed off to spring break in Florida, and they're still partying.
They're still doing their thing.
They don't have the same level of discipline.
Here in California, they even said in Los Angeles, in spite of the fact that there are all these people selling food and refreshments on the streets with illegal pushcarts and so forth, the city isn't going to really crack down on that either.
In fact, they said, well, we don't want to arrest anybody.
We're just going to try to persuade them.
Well, that doesn't work with people who don't have trust or have a sense of solidarity with their own government.
And that's increasingly true, of course, of the United States.
Well, to the extent that you do have solidarity with a Western government, you see officials with the Western government telling you to hug a Chinaman.
You know, that's the problem.
You know, maybe they're obeying too well their government in the West.
And the West government is suicidal.
They'd rather die than be called a racist.
I see the point you're making, yes.
I mean, of course, because the ideology that's in place, the prevailing ideology, is completely counter to even the most common sense measures to deal with any kind of national crisis, including the coronavirus problem.
I mean, and again, it's a remarkable thing that all of the talk about open borders and diversity and so forth, that all just vanishes almost overnight when people face a real crisis because they recalibrate their, they can't afford silly or unrealistic principles or ideas or values when hard reality hits.
I mean, that's going to be thing.
Look, another thing I want to bring up is a possibility.
If incomes continue to fall, which is almost certainly going to be happening in the next several weeks, despite the government's efforts to pump in money, it's not out of possibility.
We're going to see social discord.
That is violence in inner cities, social unrest, looting, and how the United States government responds to that is anybody's guess.
In other words, we're only at the beginning of this yet.
And the example of Italy, I think, is showing what's more likely is going to be happening in the next several weeks as the death rate goes much, much higher.
Well, you know, Mark, this whole dialogue we've been having begs a question, which is, what's really up with this coronavirus?
You know, first of all, I believe it's a real threat.
But as Rah Emmanuel said, never let a good crisis go to waste.
What do our Masters of the Universe class really have in mind for us?
What are they trying to accomplish through this?
We'll repose that question to our guest this hour, Mark Weber, the director of the Institute for Historical Review, when we return.
It's a good question and a valid one.
We'll let Mark answer it in three minutes.
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Now, 16 years later, I am reminded tonight why I did it with guests like former retired Major General, current member of the Croatian parliament, Zelchko Glasnovich, Mark Weber.
That is what I had in mind to bring to terrestrial radio guests like this.
And it's always an honor to have our good friend Mark Weber on.
Listen, folks, 16 years, you know, that puts us pretty long in the tooth, relatively speaking.
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Keith, I've got a lot of questions for Mark still remaining.
You asked one right before the break.
I know you've been to the green room to get some more Cheez-Its since then, but do you remember what the question was?
Basically, what is this coronavirus business all about?
Let's just do it that broadly and break it down for us, Mark.
Well, it's blindsided.
I think all of the leaders in the United States, both Republican and Democrat.
We don't know the origins of it.
There's a lot of speculation how it broke out in China.
You hear a lot of silly and speculative talk about the origins of it.
But we can say that here in the United States, the leaders, both Democrat and Republican, I think, were just surprised by it.
It's obvious that Donald Trump at first downplayed it, didn't seem to take it very seriously.
That was true of a lot of commentators, conservative commentators as well.
Now he's, of course, trying to get out in the front and show leadership or show that he's really on top of the thing.
But Democrats will, of course, try to do everything they can to disparage Donald Trump because their eyes are on the next election and Joe Biden.
But I think it's really anybody's guess how this is going to play out in the next several months.
And I, again, caution about making predictions because things can change very, very drastically in the next several months.
I think there will be a reaction against Donald Trump, even by many Americans who might otherwise be inclined to support him because the death rate is going to go up.
And they don't know.
I mean, people tend to blame whoever's in charge for things that are bad, even if it's not their fault, just like leaders take credit for things that go well, even when they didn't make it happen.
But that's typical in an American system.
So I think in two months or three months, we're going to come back here, or there'll be more discussions about this, and it's going to be a very, very different situation altogether.
Anyway, that's, I guess, my short answer to that question.
Well, let me make two comments, okay?
First of all, the economy was the sterling example of Trump's proficiency, at least in his mind and in the mind of his supporters.
That has now been erased because of the coronavirus, one way or another.
And I think that's, I'm sure that the Democrats are, you know, they were probably looking for a way to get at him, and they use this as maybe just a convenient cudgel to beam with.
The other thing is, have you heard this thing about a novel that was written in 1981 by a guy, I think it's Dean Koontz, that talks about the Wuhan 400 virus and a worldwide pandemic arising from it?
What's that all about?
I don't know.
You guys got any idea?
No.
But one thing I can say about the economy, it was obvious for the last several months that Trump and many other Americans realized that the economic situation is very fragile.
That's why Trump was bitterly trying to get the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates even more because he wanted to keep the economy going as well as he could in time before the election.
It can't get much lower than zero, which is what we've got now.
It can't get much lower.
I mean, in other words, he's trying to find artificial means to keep the economy going.
But this is fragile.
This is precarious.
Again, it can't be emphasized too strongly.
We're living on a credit card.
We're living on credit.
We can't afford the way we're already living, much less pumping more hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy.
That should be obvious.
And the inability of politicians of both major parties to address, much less to talk about tackling these problems, is obvious to everyone.
And we're going to see, I don't want to be gloom and doom or Cassandra about this, but there's some very deep-rooted fundamental problems in our entire thing.
And when a country faces a crisis, solidarity, cohesion is very important to deal with it.
And our society has for 50, 60 years been extolling the virtues of diversity and the very opposite of cohesion and unity.
And that's a fundamental problem that's going to be more and more manifest.
You know, I mean, we're going to have another discussion, I suppose, about the political system situation.
But again, we're going to have another election in which the majority of people are motivated not by so much by what they're by their by their support, but by what they're afraid of and what they're against.
Joe Biden is a candidate only because he's not Donald Trump for Democrats.
Nobody really.
You bring up the name of Joe Biden, Mark.
Mark, where has Joe Biden been this week?
He wants to be the president.
I asked a friend, a friend of mine that I grew up with, where's Joe Biden been this week with his solution to this turmoil?
And he said Joe Biden forgot he was running for president.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, by all press accounts, they're trying to keep him from appearing too much in public because they're afraid he'll knock off or go to sleep or forget where he is.
I mean, this is a pathetic situation.
He shouldn't be running for president.
That's obvious.
But he's only there because the largest political party in America, the Democratic Party, wants someone, anyone, to gather around to oppose Donald Trump.
Those are signs of a very fragile, a very weak, a very precarious political system.
My opinion, Mark, on the Democratic situation regarding their presidential candidate is that the leadership is much more so-called progressive or liberal or leftist than their base.
Particularly, Hispanics and blacks don't like gays.
They don't like shrill women like Elizabeth Warren, white women.
And they are the ones rallying around the flag with Joe Biden.
But let me ask you this, going back to coronavirus.
There are apparently some very effective treatment regimens for it.
This chlorinine drug, an anti-malarial drug seems to be working.
They've got some plasma derivative that works, and there's an Ebola vaccine that works also, apparently.
And if that's the case, is it a problem that we can't get our hands on it because the Chinese manufacture all of our pharmaceuticals?
Or what's going on with that?
Have you heard any of that stuff that we're talking about?
I mean, I've heard just the same as everyone else that there's apparently Trump was talking about some sort of way to deal with it, but his own spokesman says, well, it's not true.
I don't know.
I mean, I tend to think pretty obviously that if there is a cure or an antidote or a treatment, we'd hear much more about it and people would be doing it.
They can't keep something like that.
Mark, if I could, Mark, I have talked to five nurses, five current registered nurses and one doctor this week who all subscribe to the fact that either it could or absolutely would work, and that is the treatment of chloroquinine or chloroquine.
It's a quinine derivative, and quinine was the first breakthrough back in about the 1890s and 1900 for treating malaria.
An anti-malarial drug, that's right.
Well, and Trump subscribed to this too, and then his spokesman, Dr. Fossey, you know, instantly went into the tank to say that it wouldn't.
But we know, we know that it has no adverse effects.
We also know that it is at least effective as a suppressant, if not a prophylactic.
So why not try it?
And I say, you know, not try it because it's been effective.
This has been well known for decades, even perhaps longer than a century or two.
I mean, people have been using 1900.
They've been using it.
At least, at least.
But even before that, if you read the history of it, and because it is generic, there's not a hastily produced patent.
There's not a hastily produced vaccine that could be patented that could be.
The farmer can make big money off of it.
There you go.
Well, anyway, so we know that it's not dangerous, so why not use it?
That's the question.
That's fine.
I'm not a doctor.
I don't know.
I hear this the same as you.
I'm not able to pronounce on it.
It seems like if something is effective, you're sure going to have a lot of people highly motivated to make use of it.
And that's what always happens in the fitness election.
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A retired major general, a current member of parliament in Croatia, Mark Weber of the IHR.
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You know, Mark, in recent days, Trump has repositioned himself as a wartime president.
He's at war with coronavirus.
But there have been other countries who have been at war that have also had to ensure equal access to vital goods.
Maybe we're talking about toilet paper, like here in the America.
In America, I mean, the meme, there have been some funny stuff out there about it, and it's real.
You cannot find a roll of toilet paper in the city of Memphis.
I can tell you that.
But let's compare what's going on in America now to the measures that Germany took in World War II to ensure equal access to vital goods.
How would you compare the two, Mark?
Well, one of the interesting things is when war broke out in September 1939, the German government imposed rationing across the board because they didn't want to start imposing rationing on just those things that were in short supply because the understandable reaction would be for people to go and buy up everything that was still available, which would make it in short supply.
And so it was done across the board to ensure just or fair distribution of goods and services and so forth.
And things still stayed in touch, stayed in place until the end of the war.
I mean, the real starvation, the real critical time came in the last several months of the war when everything was falling apart, and even worse in the two years after the war.
You know, there's another parallel with the Confederacy.
I mean, the Confederacy had all sorts of obstacles to overcome in setting up the government.
It was short on all sorts of things.
And states have to take very severe across-the-board measures when their existence and their survival is at stake.
And as you well know, in the Confederacy, it imposed conscription even before the North did.
And there was a lot of objection to that by many in the South who said, well, no, this is a violation of states' rights.
We can't do that.
Martial law was declared in parts of the Confederacy.
Habeas corpus was suspended.
But governments that are in a real crisis have to do that because that's the survival is the paramount law, the first and foremost one.
But in America, we don't have a tradition like that.
Our leaders tend to react to situations, not to take proactive measures.
And I also think, too, that probably some of the measures that have been taken are really unnecessary.
They've overreacted.
And that's another feature of our mass media.
Everything becomes a panic.
Our media loves panics.
Everything is distorted, blown up our body.
Amen.
Amen.
It's a very, very common feature of our media, whether you, because scary news is more interesting than good news for most people.
And the media loves that because people will watch that more.
So it's very difficult in our media, in our society, to deal with any problem in a careful, rational, calm way because our media is constantly stirring the pot and exacerbating every crisis, every division, every concern that people have in the way that we've seen over and over in recent years.
Well, what happened, too, in this episode is that there seems to be a politically correct one-upmanship going on.
For example, Trump originally came out and said we need $2.5 billion.
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer said, that's ridiculous.
It needs to be $8 billion.
So then Trump says, I'll meet you $8 billion and up it to $50 billion.
But, you know, did he say that?
He didn't quite say it like that, but that's what the result was.
Well, in effect, yeah, that's right.
In effect, he's doing that.
They're each trying to outbid each other to show their quote-unquote leaders who are taking responsibility.
But this is all, I mean, I don't know what the exact amount should be.
It's obvious that much of the talk by both politicians of both parties is impulsive.
They haven't thought through.
They're talking about giving $1,000 to everybody.
Really?
Everybody?
Throw money at the problem.
Let me just put it this way.
There is a virus out there that is particularly virulent.
It does spread easily, but your chances of surviving it are 90% plus at minimum.
And you have had to date, as of tonight, 200 people dead in this country, and you're going to get a billion dollars, excuse me, a billion.
It's like Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers movies.
I'm sorry, I confuse millions and billions and trillions.
No, $1 trillion in Gibbs for it.
Yeah.
Unprecedented.
It's obviously, I mean, something like 30,000 people apparently die every year of the flu anyway.
But we don't shut down the whole economy for that reason.
I mean, every year, hundreds of thousands, I don't know, large numbers of people die in automobile mishaps and accidents and crashes.
But we don't respond by telling everybody they have to walk to work or ride bicycles and up.
Shut down the interstate highway system.
Let me say this very quickly, Mark, because I want to give you the last word.
I say the last word.
We have about five minutes remaining still.
But Nick Griffin brought this up.
Nick Griffin was our guest last week.
We've had Zelko Glaskovich tonight, along with you.
You know, with regards to deaths and loss of life, I mean, this doesn't even begin to stack up to abortion, as Nick Griffin pointed out.
But with regard to America, America is very different than the communist Chinese conformist ideology.
You have a state control of everything.
Americans, you know, we are, and you wrote about this, or rather Buchanan wrote about this.
We've touched on it.
We are rebellious by nature.
Going back to prohibition, going back to anything, going back to Clearwater, Florida earlier this week.
People want to go to the beach.
If you told you you can't go to the beach, that's the first place Americans are going to go to.
So can we think in terms of long-term group survival?
Yeah, well, that's the $64,000 question because the prevailing thinking in America has always been that if people just do what's in their own individual self-interest, it'll all work out for the common good.
It'll all work out somehow.
I don't think that's true.
I think it's historically not true.
But Because the kind of life and the kind of society Americans want doesn't happen by accident.
It doesn't happen by people just pursuing what they want as individuals.
But what's essential is a consciousness of what it is really that's important and leadership that's able to act on that.
We don't have that in this country.
Americans want basically a Western white country.
That's the kind of society they want.
Even people who come here from other countries that are not of European background, that's the kind of society they want.
They've left their own countries for that reason.
But that can't be maintained without being conscious of it.
That's the feature of the modern world.
Nothing can be taken for granted.
Not even the air we breathe can be taken for granted.
Because if something's going to happen, we have to be explicit about it.
And our leaders and even most Americans are not, they take for granted the very things that are most important.
And that's going to be fatal and is fatal in the world.
We've seen the quality of life, the increase in discord and a distrust in our society increase enormously in the last 40, 50 years.
And there's obvious objective reasons for that.
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In the third hour, Keith and I are going to be breaking down the latest coronavirus headlines.
So stay tuned for that.
We've got a lot to talk about about the shuttering of businesses, its economic ramifications, the cash payments, the Gibbs, as we call it, that are going to be flowing from the federal government in a few days, apparently, maybe.
The potential of a treatment and the bright side of all of this.
That's coming up in the third hour.
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Keith, a last word to you this hour, though, and then to Mark to close out.
Well, Mark's comments most recently lead me to one of our touch phrases, which is you can't have a first world nation with a third world population.
When you have a third world population with white people basically being the predominant group, what you have is tiptoeing through the tulips of political correctness as being primarily that that's the basic obstacle to handling this thing in an efficacious way, I think, in America and probably in parts of Western Europe as well, like northern Italy saying that let's go hug a Chinaman.
That's how we react to the coronavirus.
That's our real problem.
We've got to, I think that this, Pat Buchanan said, this may be the death knell for globalism and for this political correctness because people see that we've been made vulnerable to economic coercion and pandemics because of globalism.
Mark, seconds remain.
Last word is yours.
Well, I basically would underscore that, that understanding, appreciating what's really important is above all primary.
And yeah, and programs like this are absolutely crucial in trying to keep alive that flame of awareness and understanding during these times.