Dec. 7, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
I'll tell you what, folks, is it just me or is this music good or what?
I mean, I wouldn't waste a minute each segment if I didn't think it was, but as much feedback as we've received thus far in the show, I'd like for someone to say that they like the music too, because it takes you back to a better day and age.
And that's retro culture.
Retro culture.
We're actually going to revisit that in the third hour.
James is Mr. Retro Culture.
Now, that's Phil Specter's wall of sound, and I've tried to warn James that Phil Spector wasn't exactly one of Santa's little elves.
But I'll be damned if he didn't make good songs.
He did.
He was a great musician.
Now, the thing is, though, among other things, you're the murderer and everything else.
But it's great music.
And I get it.
If you rewind a VHS to the beginning, it's still going to end the same way.
But I think it would have been nice to experience the 50s Americana.
I did.
We'll give it to you a minute at a time.
And I can tell you it was better then than it is now.
I believe it.
Well, welcome back to the show, everybody.
We have received a lot of feedback from listeners tuned in in real time this evening.
And let's just go to it real quick.
Mike up in New York, excellent rant the first hour.
I got your backs, Keith Rules.
What is that about?
I tell you, thank you.
Your check will be coming in the mail.
Todd down here in Memphis writes, I watched the movie, rewatched the movie Braveheart earlier today.
It has nothing on the rant that you and Keith did in the first segment.
This, you said anything anyone listening needs to know.
Well, again, be sure we get your check, the right address to send that check to.
Well, that's what that Phil Spector music does to us.
It just really gets us excited.
Get people stirred up.
Well, I'll tell you something that can get you excited, folks, is continuing the work here of TPC.
Up there, thank you, James.
Right here, another man named James James right there in Collierville, Tennessee.
Positive music.
Thank you, James.
I'm glad you're tuned in.
They're members of the Eight Percenters.
That's a group that comes to our conferences.
Some of the best.
We have a lot of sub-tribes in our big town here.
Anyway, help keep us on the air.
Why don't you?
You know, we're having Virginia Abernathy on.
She's going to be with us in the next segment.
And if you donate $100 or more before the end of the month, before December 31st, why don't you do it right away?
You can get it before Christmas.
You're going to receive an autographed copy of Dr. Virginia Abernathy's book, Population Politics, The Choices That Shape Our Future.
$100 or more, you're going to get that autographed copy of that book from the author who will be on our show again in about five minutes.
Let's talk a little bit more about the book and its author.
International efforts to regulate fertility rates so that populations do not grow beyond the Earth's capacity have included technical assistance and capital, improved healthcare conditions to lower the risk of infant mortality, increased opportunities to develop literacy.
Several decades of liberal immigration and refugee policies favoring third world nations.
The persistence of high fertility despite international efforts confounds demographers.
Population politics, this book we're talking about by Virginia Abernathy, brilliantly dissects the paradigm responsible for the counterproductive efforts of nations and international agencies.
Abernathy, a renowned anthropologist, shows why policies hamper the shift to lower fertility.
Ireland, Indonesia, Cuba, China, Turkey, and Egypt, or but a few of the countries she examined, showing how economic, socio-cultural, and agricultural factors have caused population growth can be harnessed to stabilize population side.
Now, obviously, we're talking about the rampant third world population, and it would be one thing if they could tend to themselves without sending their people to us to the breadbasket.
But population politics, Keith, is a provocative examination of the influence of aid and liberal immigration policies on world population growth and often counterproductive to the role of the United States as an industrial.
Well, you know, all of this happened before your nativity, James.
But I remember back in the late 60s and early 70s, a book called The Population Bomb that said we were all going to have to really curtail reproduction or else we would run out of food.
We'd have this Malthusian catastrophe on our hands where people were starving and whatnot.
Unfortunately, only people in the West, only white people in Europe and the Anglosphere, which includes America, took heed of it.
The rest of the people went on reproducing like there's no tomorrow.
And they're coming over to our nation now and they're not trying to even hide it.
They intend to take it over.
They're not trying to assimilate.
They just want to recreate their own societies under more prosperous circumstances over here.
And guess who's going to be booted out and who's going to be left holding the bag, folks?
It's you and me.
Well, there is an ad for concurrent conflicting ads from EU initiatives that at once encourage the native white population of Europe to have less children for the environment.
And then there's another campaign that encourages whites to donate their time, efforts, talents, and resources to the third world country so that they can have more kids.
And just think about this.
We talk about white genocide and people that really aren't in the know, they roll their eyes and say, for real, where are all the bodies?
Well, read the UN statement on genocide.
It has five points.
And all of these things, like encouraging people not to reproduce, encouraging people to reproduce in such a way that their own type of people aren't going to be the offspring.
This is part of their definition.
I think it's item three out of the five items in the UN definition of genocide.
And, you know, that should tell you everything you need to know.
Basically, these are not kindly, well-intended people.
They are truly intending to bury us.
They want us to face it.
They want us to die.
They want us to, if not die, at least not reproduce, that they can nip us off.
Or they want us reproducing so that the offspring are not white.
Well, we talked about this with Pat Buchanan in one of his interviews with us, the one we sent out not too long ago.
The suicide of the superpower.
And he said he doesn't see, you know, European mankind going extinct within the next generation or two, but extrapolated into the future, that's the end game.
Well, remember that Planet of the Apes movie they had where they had.
Was Roddy McDowell in that?
Roddy McDowell was in it, and Charlton Heston was in it.
And Charlton Heston lands in this futuristic world, and there on display are white people stuffed and mounted so that the people of that day and time could look and see what they used to look like.
Hey, let's not let that be our future.
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Virginia Abernathy's next.
Dad, can you make him stop?
Honey, he needs to practice.
He's been at it an hour.
Well, just trying to be patient.
Dad, it sounds like a cat calling for help or something.
Worse, a basement full of cats.
Yeah.
You know, honey, it is a little hard on the ears.
Not you too.
Well, maybe we can all play a game.
Andrew, do you want to play a board game?
How about we watch a video?
Hide and seek.
Oh, I don't know.
I give up.
Maybe we could all just sneak out of the house.
Honey, he's nine years old.
We can't leave him home alone.
We can make him practice with a sock.
Well, I guess we'll have to get some ice cream.
Did I hear someone say, ice cream?
Family, isn't it about time?
Oh, I see the practice hasn't hurt your ears.
Well, I'm a serious musician.
Funny that you never seem to get better on that thing.
Works every time.
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Hey, where did all these cats come from?
Abby Johnson was once director of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Bryan, Texas.
After a moral crisis, she quit, and now she campaigns against what she wants endorsed.
They implement abortion quotas in all of their clinics.
What do you mean, quotas?
You have to perform a certain number of abortions every month.
One of the reasons that I left.
Are they explicit about that?
Yes, it's in your budget, right there on the line item.
One of the reasons I left Planned Parenthood was because in a budget meeting, I was told to double that abortion quota.
And for me, as someone who had spoken to the media and had said, you know, we're about reducing the number of abortions.
We're about, you know, prevention, all these other services, I was shocked.
So since you actually worked at a Planned Parenthood, give us some sense of the relative number of abortions.
Okay, Abortions Planned Parenthood provides over 330,000 abortions a year.
They are the largest single abortion provider in our country.
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Well, folks, it's the sounds of the season on TPC tonight.
And continuing through the remainder of the month of December as we hurtle towards Christmas with our featured guest of the evening, our longtime friend, Dr. Virginia Abernathy.
Virginia, it is so great, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart.
Always so great to have you tonight, especially around Christmas time.
20 years we've known each other, and it seems like a couple of days.
How are you tonight?
Well, I'm very, very fine.
And Merry Christmas to you and everyone in anticipation.
Indeed.
In anticipation of a great season.
Merry Christmas.
Well, we will give you an early Merry Christmas as well, my friend.
Of course, for all of you out there in Radio Land, Virginia Abernathy is Emeritus Professor of Psychiatry and Anthropology at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.
She has an MBA from Vanderbilt and a PhD from Harvard University.
And for 11 years, she served as the editor of the scholarly journal Population and Environment.
I would say, if you ask me, you know, what's Virginia's core topic?
What's her niche?
It would be population-environment balance.
And that's, of course, another organization.
Third world population, basically.
I mean, immigration.
Indeed.
And so, of course, you know, we're promoting her groundbreaking book, her classic book, Population Politics, The Choices That Shape Our Future, as our incentive for the Christmas fundraising drive.
She so generously contributed those to us to help us stay on the air and to have a great gift to send you before Christmas for those of you who contribute.
Anyway, Virginia, I was thinking of the countless times you've appeared on the show over the course of the last 15 years.
I don't think we've actually talked about this book specifically.
We've certainly talked about the general theme, but let's talk about the book specifically.
You wrote it in the early 90s, correct?
Yes, I did.
And it's surprising how little has changed.
We're still fighting to put a cap on the enormous numbers of new Americans.
Immigration is growing our population by leaps and bounds.
And it's actually depressing the birth rate of native-born Americans.
And it does.
In fact, Virginia, this is Keith Alexander.
We have several states like California, Texas, Florida, where minorities outnumber the founding stock of America.
Already.
That seems to be the way of the future.
And all you have to do is look at the population of our school system.
And when you look at children under 10 or 12, our founding population is already in the minority.
So that's the future.
Have several other states that are on the tip, verge of tipping, like Georgia, for example.
Absolutely it's.
It's a it's an issue that should concern us, because culture goes with population and the culture of our country is has been to value freedom, to value free speech, to value the rule of law and fairness and, as the demography changes, it seems possible, even likely, that those values could also disappear.
Put it in a nutshell, Virginia, as we say here at the political sense building have said for years, you can't have a first world nation with a third world population.
That's right.
You've hit the nail on the head.
Absolutely true.
But we have a few bright spots.
We have a president who's trying to put a limit on to stop entirely actually illegal immigration.
And what he's going to do about legal immigration still is up in the air.
I think that his instincts are to limit legal immigration to people with skills who already speak English.
And that would give various countries a little advantage, including a good many European countries.
Also, of course, India, the Philippines, countries where a lot of English is spoken.
But at least it would give Europe a fair shake, and that is our founding stock, Europe.
It would give them a fair shake.
But you know, Virginia, this is Keith again.
You know, I personally am not anxious to get engineers and others from the third world in particular over here.
You know, we have plenty of graduates from engineering schools here, for example, in Memphis.
We have an engineering school, and a lot of those kids can't get good paying jobs because of the downward pressure on wages from these émigrés from the subcontinent of India, for example.
You're absolutely right.
When you increase the supply of anything, the price goes down.
So if you increase the supply of labor, the wages and the opportunities are going to go down.
And so I'm with you 100% on that.
Absolutely 100%.
So we have some choices ahead of us.
But this choice for skilled immigrants is still better than the system that is presently in place, which is based on a theme called family reunification.
And that means if you have a relative here, even distant, like a cousin or a brother and sister, you get priority over other people who might want to come.
So that is the worst of all possible systems.
The most important thing, though, when you really think about it, is to put an absolute cap on the number, because it's silly to think we can take an infinite number of people and infinitely grow our population because our resources are not infinite and our resources are not growing.
Nobody's out there.
Virginia, exactly.
You know, and our ancestors in their wisdom did exactly that.
They capped immigration.
They called moratoriums on immigration when they felt that there was a problem with assimilation of immigrants.
We need to learn from our forefathers.
We absolutely did.
In 1924, a wonderful law was passed, which had the effect of limiting immigration to about 200,000 a year.
And if we had 200,000 a year now, it wouldn't be so bad because about that number of Americans leave each year.
Now, it wouldn't be an absolute one-to-one trade-off because the Americans who are leaving often are older and the people coming are younger and so produce babies because they're younger.
So it's not an absolute one-to-one, but it would be a start.
And you know, there is a congressional candidate from North Carolina who advocates a 10-year immigration moratorium.
And by that, he would mean about $200,000 a year could come as an absolute cap, including refugees, asylum, every category, including skilled immigrants and H-1B workers.
It would be an absolute cap of about $200,000 a year.
And he calls out a moratorium to last for years.
You know, there are problems with every group that we would have.
Having younger people causes stress on our educational system and social services.
Likewise, family reunification, bringing all the old-timers in here so they can immediately sign up for Social Security and Medicare is going to have problems too.
Hold on right there, Virginia.
If you don't mind, we have to take a break.
We have you for the remainder of the hour.
So for 34 minutes, you're going to be able to learn and reflect upon the commentary and opinions of Dr. Virginia Abernathy, author of the book, among others, about the book Population Politics, the choices that shape our future.
That's our incentive for those of you who give throughout the month of December, our fourth quarter and final fundraising drive of the year.
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Rocking around the Christmas tree.
Let the Christmas be great.
Later we'll have some fucking fire and we'll do some caroling.
You will get a sad little feeling when you hear voices singing.
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Adventures in retroculture, James.
Those were the days, I guess.
I wasn't there.
I'm jealous of you and our featured guests this evening for having had the opportunity to live through it.
Although, does it make it harder knowing that you were there at one time and couldn't hang on to it?
Well, you do have a template.
You do have something you can refer back to.
People wonder, see, if we didn't have the past, we'd have no roadmap to the future.
We're trying to invent everything from scratch.
And basically, all we have to do is go back to what life used to be like in America in the early 50s.
And don't make the same mistakes.
But that's right.
Perhaps the past is the future.
If we're going to have a future, we're going to have to look to the past.
Our guest tonight, Dr. Virginia Abernathy, as I mentioned earlier, professor emeritus of psychiatry and anthropology at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.
She has a PhD from Harvard University, an MBA from Vanderbilt, a BA from Wellesley College.
Dr. Abernathy taught at Harvard University before joining the Vanderbilt University Medical School faculty in 1975.
I'll tell you this, Keith.
If every product of Harvard University had the mindset of Virginia Abernathy, we would be in a lot better shape.
I don't think they get people of the quality of Virginia Abernathy now.
They want social justice warriors, and they don't care how smart they are or not.
Well, in any event, her book, one of many she's written, all worthwhile, of course, but the one we're talking about tonight is Population Politics.
Well, the title really says it all because, of course, as we know, demographics are destiny, and that more than anything else shapes our future, population politics, the choices that shape our future.
That is indeed the name of the book.
So, Virginia, I obviously believe that any responsible nation should have a eugenics policy.
People say, well, you can't do that because the Germans believed in that.
Well, it's like Sam Dixon said, the Germans also inhaled oxygen and exhaled carbon dioxide.
Should we do the opposite because they did it?
In fact, some of the people who bring that argument up, perhaps we would be better off if they did that.
But what we live in now, though, is an era of dysgenics, at least in Western nations.
And we were talking about this before you came on, Virginia, about a concurrent campaign that the EU is running.
On one hand, they've got this PSA, this public service campaign, saying that whites should do the responsible thing and have smaller families for the environment's sake.
But at the same time, they run other campaigns that say whites need to do the responsible thing and donate money and time and effort and talents to third world nations so that they can have...
And then when they run out of money, commit suicide.
So that they can replenish, have large family.
Let's talk about population-environment balance.
Where are we at?
What were the findings of your book?
Well, the main finding that depends on research is that when people think they have a bright economic future, they will have larger families.
Well, what are the implications of that?
It's when we do give aid and rescue people in foreign countries, people who are otherwise facing very bad economic prospects.
But when we give them aid and rescue them, they think, oh, this is great.
Now we can have another kid.
Huge family, or we can get married.
At the same time, when they come here and they depress wages and job opportunities, the effect on people here, Americans, is, gee, it's getting harder to make a living.
And what are we going to do to support this family that we would like to have?
In fact, we can't afford it.
So we're really cutting our own throats in two ways.
One is to give foreign aid that rescues populations that should get the message to limit family size.
And we are inviting that third world country's population to come here.
That depresses opportunity for our own people, and they have fewer children.
And then, of course, the politicians get a hold of it, and they say, oh, our population isn't growing fast enough.
So let's have more immigrants.
We are really, really, really trying to fight the battle at the wrong end.
We've just got to say no more immigration or at least very, very limited immigration.
The numbers out of control.
What about Virginia, what some of the healthier nations of the West that can be found in Eastern Europe are doing with, yes, no immigration, and they have literally built walls in Hungary.
But what they're also doing in places like Russia, for instance, is giving a stipend, actually giving money.
I think Hungary even has a loan payment plan where they give a very generous amount of money for their own native stock to Produce while also stemming the tide of negative net drag third world immigration.
You know, would that be a prescription to the predicament that ails us here in America?
Yeah, well, I'm not sure that we're already giving money, and it's called welfare, and that seems to be inspiring the wrong kind of baby because you can't just encourage people to have babies.
To raise a child costs about $250,000 total or $300,000, counting education.
So we really have to start with basics, which is give our own people opportunity to work and earn a good salary.
And rising wages, which they tell us we've been getting now for the last two or three years under President Trump, rising wages are a wonderful sign.
I keep thinking that the effects will show up within about a year in a slightly higher birth rate for Americans.
I certainly hope so.
But with better opportunity, we should expect slightly more marriage and slightly more family formation, a few more babies for us.
And I would love to see it.
Virginia, this is Keith again.
We're not afraid to call a spade a dirty shovel on this show.
White people are like an endangered species, many another endangered species.
When you disturb their nesting grounds, they stop reproducing.
That's what has been happening to America over the past 70 years of liberal change.
All of these things have encouraged people to limit the size of their families, like, for example, the Brown versus Board of Education decision.
How did people react to that?
I know because I was born around that time.
White families started limiting the number of children they had to the number they could afford to send to private schools, at least in places like Memphis.
Basically, the left, I don't, is this a coincidence or is this a plan?
What's your idea?
What's your take on it?
Well, it's probably some of both.
I think it's a plan by a group I'm going to call Cultural Marxist Organization.
Oh, yes.
They found out that they couldn't change the West to Marxism by having the working class rise up.
You know, that's the old Marxist theory.
But they could change the West by undermining our education, our family system, our religion, various institutions which had given our society stability and purpose and unity.
And so there has been a systematic effort to undermine those institutions.
And of course, undermining the demographics has been a key part of it.
And the Southern Poverty Law Center, of course, which we all rightly dislike, and that's a mild word for what I really think.
Good for you.
They have been open borders for so many years, and that is one of the basis for their decision to put lots of groups and people on their hate list as haters.
Those of us who think we have to limit immigration in order to preserve our country.
And it's not open borders with everybody.
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And since we've no place to go, let it know, let it snow, let it snow.
It doesn't show signs of stopping.
And I bought some corn for popping.
The lights are turned way down low.
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
Indeed.
You know, we don't get enough of that down here in the Mid South.
A couple of times a year, maybe.
You've really had a blast from the past there.
That's Von Monroe.
He was 1945.
He was from my parents' generation, you know, big band music, but great music.
And listen to that voice.
What a civilized time.
We have a station here in Memphis that plays not only old rock and roll, but also some of the pre-rock and roll pop music of the late 40s and early 50s.
And it's 103.1.
I was just about to say, I was going to steal your thunder 103.1.
You know, I'm tuned into that.
Yeah, that's it.
And then 102.3, too.
I tell you, I have those two set on my Virginia.
We were talking about retro culture, which seems to be a new movie.
That's my time.
That's my time.
You and me both, girl.
I tell you what.
Let me tell you one thing, though.
What we were talking about before the break has spurred this memory in me.
Last spring, I attended a naturalization service at the federal court in Memphis, presided over by a federal judge.
Well, all of the people came up, about 150 of them.
There was one white person, a middle-aged lady from the Ukraine.
All the rest were either from the subcontinent of India, from the East Indies, from the Middle East, from Central America, or South America.
So, you know, the idea, it may, you know, Hope Springs Eternal about getting European immigrants, but that's not where the immigrants are coming from.
It would be nice if we could somehow use the immigration laws to get people, for example, like in South Africa that are living in cardboard, or not cardboard, but plywood huts and whatnot.
But we don't seem to be able to get those people that would truly be refugees.
Instead, we get these photos.
It would truly be actual assets to this country in a very tangible way.
Right.
But instead, you know, that's the last on the priority of people.
Everybody except a white person seems to be able to jump to the front of the line with our current immigration system.
The United Nations chooses who we get as refugees.
That's not our choice.
It's the United Nations choice, which sounds outrageous.
It is outrageous.
And the reason people can't come often from whites from South Africa or people from England and Scotland and Ireland, for example, and Germany, is that they don't have relatives here, first-degree relatives, already.
The people who get to come are those who have brothers, sisters, cousins, fathers here already.
That's the law right now, this family reunification system that I mentioned already.
And that really needs to change.
We need to go back to what we had before 1965.
We had a decent immigration system then, but the immigration system we have now was deliberately structured to change the face of this country.
And it is working.
They lied to us about it at the time.
And let me just say this.
There is a way that we could get more white people into this country.
You have the surest way is to marry an American citizen.
And they also have these J-1 visas for young people to come over and work in America.
For example, in Hilton Head, South Carolina, I remember going there to a wedding once, and all of the staff were Eastern Europeans.
That's a way to do it.
And quite frankly, I think people, advocacy groups for white people ought to look into that.
As we turn a corner here, the last few minutes of our evening with Virginia, of course, we still have a third hour to come.
Keith and I are going to dive back into the retro culture conversation.
And we're going to use as a springboard a piece of correspondence we received from a listener in the UK.
So stay tuned for that.
Jack Ryan will round out the show the last half hour, as he so often does.
But Virginia, I just got a message from a listener up who is tuned in live tonight up in the Northeast who says, I love Virginia and even put a little heart with his correspondence.
And we do too.
I tell you, this lady is, and she's a true lady, a national treasure.
Well, you are, and you are a national treasure.
I've met you, and I can tell you you have the manners of a princess.
Well, and we were, she was with us, of course, just a few weeks ago at our 15th anniversary conference.
So those of you who were there may have had the opportunity to meet her in person there.
But no, I am so thankful for our friendship.
And so oftentimes it feels as though when we do this program and so many weeks, not universally, but in most cases, the guests that we feature on this show are, in fact, very dear friends of mine.
And it's almost as though it's having a telephone conversation that we're able to broadcast out to a very wide audience.
And at Christmas time, you take stock in all of this and you think, man, the years go by so fast.
And it's just a shame we don't have an opportunity to stay in better touch.
But this radio program, Keith, gives us an opportunity to be able to.
It's like a front porch, a southern front porch conversation with Navy.
Well, let's conclude that conversation with Virginia.
You have a wonderful audience.
You have a wonderful audience.
Yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead.
And it's such a pleasure to be able to speak to everyone.
Merry Christmas again.
Well, and of course to you as well, and we can't say that enough, nor should we.
I want to ask you, of course, as the doctor that you are, to write the prescription.
We've talked about it, of course, and we've already touched on it.
But write the ultimate prescription of what you think Western nations should do if you could be the czar of the world.
Yes, that's right.
I'm going to ask you that, but first I want to ask you, I do want to ask you that, but I want to ask you this very quickly.
And a 30-second answer will suffice, talking about the family.
You were there with us a few weeks ago at the 15th anniversary.
You were talking about the audience.
Your reflections on the caliber of people that tune into this program, support this program, and actually turn out to events associated with this program.
They are the best of America.
They are absolutely finest that we have.
And I would love to see the country again represented by the kind of people you have at your audience.
Wonderful people.
And wonderful to be with them.
When you hit the nail on the head, you drive it straight, Virginia.
About as proud as I've been.
I beamed with pride to hear a person of Virginia Abernathy's caliber say that.
That really means a lot.
Thank you so much because I consider this audience to be family.
So when you compliment them, you compliment me.
We have three minutes remaining, Virginia.
Your prescription, you control everything.
How do we correct?
How do we save ourselves?
There it is.
Go.
Okay.
Well, I definitely say moratorium on immigration.
No more than 200,000 people a year, hopefully less.
And I would really try to cut down on welfare here because people need to recognize that having children is expensive and they can't expect the rest of the population to support those children they have.
People who can afford children need to have them and they need to have plenty, as many as they can.
People that can't afford them need to not have them.
Exactly, exactly.
And we certainly have to stop our foreign aid, which rescues people overseas who seem to have children with abandonment and then they can't support them and they're all in danger.
No, that has to stop.
And certainly allowing people to come here as immigrants or refugees because they can't make it where they are, that just makes the problem worse because it, again, fosters the impression that there's wealth, that we've got it, and that we're willing to share it.
Well, we don't really have enough for ourselves.
Notice all the homelessness and tragedy and sadness we have in this country.
We certainly oughtn't be encouraging people worldwide to go and have large families.
It's just a tragedy, and we're shooting ourselves in the foot too many ways at one time.
You know, the Holly said, he ain't heavy, he's my brother.
I would say he is heavy and he ain't my brother.
Well, the thing is, thank you, Keith, for another reference to 60s pop music.
But the thing is, Virginia, of course, charity begins at home.
And when you see all of the goodness that is inherent within Western man and European mankind, you see the, you know, our philanthropy.
Well, as Sam Dixon has also put it, you know, the Greeks had this maxim, you know, all things in moderation, nothing in excess.
Even our virtues, you know, our philanthropy, our charity, our goodness when taking the same excessive extreme, when that you're only really good if you're giving to the other, you know, support for your own family and your own extended family, which is what, frankly, our race is, is bad.
But no, you know, when you support, you know, the children of others you've never met and have nothing in common with, then you're good.
No, charity begins at home.
I would love to see all of the best attributes of our people redirected to our people and to our future.
And there's nothing wrong with being good to everyone and to all of humanity.
But if the first you should give should be to your own family.
That's just the way I see it.
You have to think of yourself first or you can't help anyone else.
You have to think first of yourself in order to have the power and the strength to help others and then help first your own family.
That's a strong belief.
Virginia, we have a listener tuned in tonight in East Tennessee who talks about how much respect she has for you.
She's tuned in tonight talking about the courage and the goodness and to think of what you have given up for freedom to tell the truth, how few and far between you are.
Thank you for a lifetime.
You have really set an example for the rest of us to follow.
So proud to call you a friend.
Can't wait to talk to you again and see you again very soon.
Look forward to seeing you, James.
And Merry Christmas.
Thanks for having me on and Merry Christmas to all.
Don't go away.
And we'll do it again soon.
Dr. Virginia Abernathy, her book, which is our incentive for the fundraising drive this Christmas season, Population Politics.