Oct. 5, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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The title is Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition, Evolutionary Origins, History, and Prospects for the Future.
So very rare that we have a guest for two hours, but that is what we're doing with Kevin tonight.
And we are halfway through it.
So as we continue the conversation now after that long network break, Kevin, welcome back.
I am glad to be here, James.
Appreciate you.
Glad to still be here, yes.
Well, it's entirely our pleasure.
Let's transition now, if we could, to the topic of matters of faith, how they feature in your book.
It's quite common for people on the dissident right to disparage the church, the Catholic Church, Protestant churches, particularly given their recent propagandizing on behalf of third world migration.
But let's face it, it's still an important part of the story of Western culture.
How do you see it?
Yeah, it's a complicated story.
I mean, there have been times when the church, you know, until the Reformation, it was the church, when it really defended Western civilization.
You know, you think about the Reconquista in Spain against the Muslims.
You think about, you know, Charles Martel at Tours in France.
You think about the Battle of Opanto and the Gates of Vienna and so on.
And, you know, Western culture was very successful as a Christian, even Catholic culture.
And then, you know, we had the Reformation.
Reformation was a fundamental break in Western history.
We'll talk about that later, probably.
But, you know, we can't, you know, the faith that was so important to our culture is almost something that a lot of people can't even imagine anymore.
I mean, it was just pervasive.
I mean, the church had a lot of power.
We mentioned that over kings, and they could tell kings to a certain extent what to do because the people believed so strongly in religion.
I mean, the church would threaten the king with excommunication.
And that would be a disaster for the king because then the people would not regard him as their ruler, that he was not legitimate.
And so there was a very strong element in Western culture.
In the Middle Ages, you really had a pan-European culture of Catholicism, really, from all the way from Scandinavia down to Italy.
Well, Spain was until 1492 was much of it was dominated by the Muslims.
But that then ended.
So there was this really European-wide culture of Christendom.
So when Thomas of Beckett was murdered by the king of England, it was a scandal throughout Europe, you know, because that was something that you just created, this prelate of the church.
And a very important aspect of the success of the church was that it reformed itself.
I mean, in the early Middle Ages, it was really sort of this corrupt arm of the local aristocrat.
They would make their brother into the bishop.
They would buy and sell church offices.
They would do all these very corrupt things.
And the church got a very bad reputation.
Well, when that happens, the people are not going to really have strong religious beliefs.
But in the 11th and 12th century, you started to have a reform within the church.
And it became dominated by people with a monastic background.
These people were really serious Christians.
They lived this life of, you know, they renounced wealth of any kind.
A lot of very wealthy families had their sons join monasteries.
And they didn't like it.
They wanted grandchildren like most people.
But these people, their faith was so strong.
For example, they wouldn't send their kids to the university because that was a hotbed of religious fervor.
And you had these preaching orders, the Franciscans in the Dominicans.
I went to school for the first nine years with the Dominican nuns.
And then after that, the Christian brothers.
So I had this Catholic education.
But that goes right back to the Middle Ages.
The Dominicans, St. Dominic, very important preachers.
They would go out and preach to the people in the streets.
And St. Thomas Aquinas, the very famous philosopher, was a Dominican.
And the Franciscans as well.
They were sort of competing mendicant friars.
They would travel around.
But the whole church became animated by this intense spirit.
And this spirit, this image of altruism.
And I'm an evolutionary biologist.
Altruism is very important.
The image of the medieval church was this was an altruistic institution.
The people at the top did not have wives.
They did not, you know, again, that was an aspect of corruption before the high point of the Middle Ages where they would have concubines and a lot of corruption that way.
I'm going to follow up with a question on the Protestant Reformation specifically, particularly Puritans in England.
It's interesting how history can take these departures.
Where would we have been without Henry VIII's lust for Anne Boleyn?
It's interesting how the whole world can change on such a whim, but we have about a minute or two remaining in this segment.
We'll follow up with that as we continue.
And by the way, folks, just so you know, and I'm sure you've probably surmised this, but every question that's being asked of Kevin tonight is something that is germane to the book.
I mean, these just aren't random questions that we want his answers on.
These are things that he touches on, writes about in the book.
So, this interview is, of course, all the questions and answers reinforces the contents of the book, and of course, why we hope you'll purchase it.
But you're quite right, Kevin, on the fact that for nearly 2,000 years, well, we're coming up on that break right now.
The West, Europe, was also known by its synonym, Christendom.
And we'll talk about what happened, what went wrong, and the effects of the Reformation when we come back.
We've still got Kevin for the bulk of this hour, so stay tuned.
And in the break, go to Amazon.com.
Individualism in the Western Liberal Tradition is the book we're talking about tonight with its author.
Stay tuned.
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But Kevin and I were talking in the last segment about the church's impact on the history of the West.
And to say it was and continues to be in many ways gargantuan is certainly an understatement.
I want to ask you about the Protestant Reformation now, Kevin.
But first, very quickly, a yes or no answer will do for this one because this is sort of an added question.
I just kind of jotted down in my notes.
And I want to make sure we have time to cover everything.
But, you know, today, the church is just another institution that has fallen under the control of the left.
They're really anti-white in most ways, at least at the denominational head tables level.
Smaller churches like the one I grew up in, you can find some difference in.
But for the most part, the church is just another institution that the left has marched through.
But I'm not sure if Europeans exist at all without the church.
Kevin, you talked about some of those pivotal battles, the Battle of Tours.
You talk about the Battle of Vienna, Charles Martel, Jan Sobieski, Charlemagne, and others.
I mean, does Europe even exist as we know it without the church's influence that got those squabbling tribes of our people to unite under the banner of Christ?
Does it exist today without the church, even though the church has fallen so far from where it may have been?
Well, the church has fallen, and all the Protestant sects have fallen, of course.
What we have now is this new culture, and it is hostile towards religion.
You know, I read my book, The Culture Critique, I talk about the rise of this new Jewish elite and they were hostile to Christianity.
One of your commercials earlier on said that prayer in public schools was ended in 1960.
Well, 1960s, around the 1960s, that's the pivotal time of the Cultural Revolution.
And since then, the main line religions have given up the sort of all high ground that they used to have, and they see it to the left, and they follow the left.
It seems to me that the religion nowadays has basically fallen in line with these other institutions that are really dominating our culture.
And they don't, if they got out of line, they will be quickly pillarded in various ways.
So It's like the Republican Party.
You know, I see it out of the churches that are like the Republican Party.
They take the tenets and the talking points of the left and pretend that they were the ones advocating it all along, which is, of course, apocryphal.
But would our people, what do you think the history of our people would have been without that church to unite the tribes during those pivotal battles?
Do you think we're here today?
Yeah, it'd be very different.
Let's just say, I'm sorry, pardon the interruption, but if the Muslims break through at Vienna and tour...
Oh, that would have been huge.
That would have been huge.
And that would have dramatically changed everything.
And it would have been much more patriarchal culture, much less individualistic culture.
They would have, yeah, I think in the Balkans, they would have enslaved people and taken females as concubines and various things.
And it would have been just a very different culture.
And I think we would have lost what is distinctive about the West.
I mean, the thing about it, about Christianity, is that we never lost, it was compatible with Indo-European culture.
That is to say, it made its peace with that.
And so you had this warrior culture underneath it.
And the Germanic tribes did convert to Christianity, but they didn't really lose their warrior spirit.
And it was sort of joined together.
James Russell has a great book on that.
They were sort of brought together.
And so you didn't lose that pioneering, exploratory, aggressive military culture that predominated in Europe, despite the church.
And you had all, you know, very militaristic, aggressive, a lot of wars, you know, between various parts of Europe, obviously.
So it was compatible with those other trends, the European thrust of European culture, but also with the individualistic culture that emerged afterwards.
You had the Protestant cultures, and they were very Christian fundamentally, but in a different way.
And they were much more egalitarian.
They eschewed the pomp and the land of cathedrals and all that in general.
And much more, you know, you often have congregations elect the minister, for example.
So much more egalitarian and produced the society you hear now, much more contractual, you know, and business or inquisitive.
The church always looked down on mercantile activities.
And they, as did the Indo-European culture, really, that wasn't really about that.
It was more about military conquest.
But the egalitarian individualism had a very strong, inquisitive capitalist.
I mean, capitalism is fundamentally individualistic, right?
And it was a dynamic, dynamic force that really couldn't be resisted.
And once they got their footing, you know, in the 17th century, it just really took off.
And eventually it eclipsed us.
There was a spread of culture.
In America, it eclipsed it early on.
We didn't have this aristocracy standing over us.
But in England, even there, it overcame it gradually.
I would say by the end of the 18th century, the aristocracy was a shadow of the former South.
Parliament was in charge.
It was a firmly Protestant country.
And it was much more egalitarian.
Really also a kinder general replace.
They abolished slavery and so on.
They made it more equal access.
There's a lot of reforms.
Indo-European culture was hierarchical and it was spoiled in a lot of ways.
So when the Puritan historians and when they looked back on the Middle Ages, they just thought it was oppression.
You know, that there was this dominant exploitative culture.
lowering it over the surfs, really enslaving it, basically.
And so this new culture was very different.
And the Puritans, especially in the United States, really became a dominant elite in the East Coast.
It'd be centered in New England, obviously.
But they were very moralistic, very idealistic.
They would come up with these utopian societies.
We just do this and everything will be wonderful.
And of course, this was the group that fundamentally campaigned propagandize for the Civil War.
They hated slavery.
Yes, yes.
They viewed moral abomination.
Well, I have a follow-up question about that, as if you're reading my mind.
And I'm looking at the clock as we speak, and this interview is really, really flying by.
We're already halfway through the show, hour and a half in tonight.
We have just two more segments with Kevin remaining.
I do want to, we're touching, we're all over this issue right now.
Puritans, their role in promoting the war between the states, in fact, their attitudes about slavery, and what's interesting about it.
He touches on this in the book.
Everything we're talking about tonight is in the book.
The book is Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition by Dr. Kevin McDonald.
Check it out on Amazon.com, won't you?
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Time is fleeting, and we must make haste as we come down the home stretch of tonight's interview with an extended interview with Dr. Kevin McDonald.
Don't forget, folks, former television newsman Sean Bergen is on deck and he'll be closing out the program tonight in the third hour when we talk about presidential politics and the impeachment inquiry.
But first, back to Kevin and his book, Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition.
Kevin, we were talking about the Protestant Reformation, particularly the Puritans in England and the U.S. as the other big force in Western history.
You see Puritanism as exemplifying the egalitarian individualist aspect of Western culture.
The Puritans, of course, were incredibly successful and influential group dominating U.S. culture because of their war, rather, their role in founding and dominating the Ivy League universities and the media in the North and producing a highly productive capitalist, acquisitive culture.
But in their social attitudes, they were generally on the left by today's standards.
Could you discuss, this is, I think, a question that would be of particular interest to this listening audience.
Could you discuss their attitudes on slavery and their role in promoting the war between the states?
Well, they were the main force in the North that was clamoring for that on grounds.
They viewed it as just, you know, completely extremely immoral.
And they were very, very motivated.
Besides slavery, they were trying to make a more egalitarian society.
They would help poor people help immigrants during the 19th century.
But yeah, they were, because they were this intellectual elite, they ran the Ivy League universities.
They began them.
They were very educated people.
They were very prolific people.
They had kids, like nine children per woman for a long period of time during the 18th and 19th century, and they expanded clear across the country.
So it wasn't just New England.
Abraham Lincoln, for example, had Puritan ancestry.
So it was, it became really the dominant culture or influence of the North.
They're Puritans technically anymore.
They became, split up into different things, congregationalists, Unitarians.
Unitarians, of course, are still with us.
I guess congregationalists are still too, but they're very liberal kinds of offshoots of Protestantism.
Unitarians hardly even believe in God, I don't think, anymore.
But the yeah, then, you know, people like the Battle of Him in Public was written by a Puritan woman, a pure descendant woman.
And the whole propaganda, the intense feeling, I should say, the motivation of going to war.
And it was done in this sort of like, once we defeat this evil, you know, once we vanquish this, everything will be wonderful.
Again, they had this very strong utopian streak.
There are a lot of utopian societies that were built in the 19th century by Puritan-descended people.
Brook Farm in Massachusetts was one.
I mean, they all failed ultimately because they had this high-flown view of human nature that didn't really pan out.
But again, this was their mindset.
And still is with us.
We should realize that.
That every war we have fought, whether World War I, World War II, Saddam Hussein, and now the war they won with Iran, it's always on moral grounds.
I mean, they're always going to find some moral reason.
Saddam Hussein was gassing his people.
And of course, Hitler in World War II.
And, you know, in World War I, they had all this propaganda about the Germans.
They were just, you know, bayoneting babies and doing all these horrible things.
And according to, I mean, it's all propaganda.
But it's a moral crusade, and that was certainly true of the war between the states.
I mean, this was something that was billed.
And I mean, there were other causes and interests involved, certainly, but at a moral motivational level, this was critical.
And for these people, no price is too high.
It's what we call altruistic punishment.
That you're willing to incur a cost in order to inflict punishment for moral transgressions.
Very typical of the Puritan mindset.
And we see that now, where white people are willing to punish themselves in order to wreak moral wrongs.
And so I have a whole thesis on moral praise because that's essentially what we create in the West.
We don't create kinship-based communities.
We create moral communities where if you get out of line morally, you are ostracized.
You're just an evil person, some we don't want to talk to, and someone we're going to, you know, make them lose their job.
And, you know, no punishment is too bad for this evil person.
So that's really the way Western societies work.
And of course, now, especially since 1960, and we talked about this Jewish elite that assumed such a dominant status, they are quite aware of this, and they always have them.
One of the themes of my culture critique is that this rising Jewish elite understand the reality that Western cultures were based on this sort of moral moral communities.
And so what they did was create a moral community of the left, where all of Western history now is regarded as immoral.
Slavery is something that every white person is somehow responsible for.
Even white northerners and white southerners and ancestors.
That's right.
Even the northerners.
I'm getting excited here listening to your answers because even the northerners didn't absolve themselves of the guilt for slavery, did they?
As we look at it, and that's your another thing that we've got to talk about.
These days, white people in Western culture are always blamed for slavery and colonialism.
But it's interesting that whites are the Western Europeans are the only cultural group to abolish slavery for moral reasons.
They did it around the world.
But no one ever brings up the fact that the Africans did to one another what they say we're guilty of.
The Indian tribes did to one another, what they say we're guilty of.
But that never seems to get mentioned.
Yeah, in the 19th century, it was eradicated first Britain and then the United States.
But this was unique in all the world.
It was common in China, India, all of Africa, everywhere.
And I quote this historian who says that freedom and opposing slavery was the odd thing in those days.
Western culture was the only culture.
And we did it, we did it for moral reasons.
So I have a whole chapter on the slave trade in England and slavery.
And it's a remarkable chapter.
All these religious groups, very universalistic.
They believed that blacks were equal to whites.
They all had souls.
This, by the way, is something about Christianity that is sort of an Achilles' heel.
It's always been part of Christian religious belief that God has created everyone, sort of everybody has a soul.
And that has been used.
And of course, now it's part of the left, you know, where Africans are the same as everybody else.
It sort of fits with a kind of pan-racial view that race doesn't really matter because it really matters as people have souls.
You know, so we have this now.
And we have all these moral crusading whites, virtue signaling.
I have a whole section on virtue signaling because this feeds into that.
White people are trying to be the most moral person around.
I remember when I was on the faculty, you know, at my university, Cal State Long Beach, you know, it's like people were trying to be saints, you know, on the faculty.
They were trying to be constantly burnishing their moral credentials.
And if you ever go on social media or even, you know, the mainstream media and look at these talking heads, they're all, you know, how morally good they are each other.
And I think that's one reason why the left has gone so far, so fast.
I mean, even 10 years ago, they weren't saying, you know, we got to give medical care to illegal aliens and make them citizens and everything else.
But now that's what they're all saying in the Democratic Party.
All of them are saying that.
And, you know, it's like it's increased dramatically, like feed forward kind of thing.
I think it's partly because people are virtue signaling.
They want to be the most virtuous person around.
Well, how do you do that?
Well, you know, you condemn every aspect of white culture.
You condemn the idea of two sexes.
You condemn any idea that there's any interesting difference between blacks and whites and all that.
And that's what you do.
I'm older than you are.
And that gets you some points in this new culture that we have.
But you can become more moral still by accepting the still to come latest leftist intervention, correct?
I mean, because there'll be more.
I mean, they haven't stopped.
It'll get more and more.
It'll get increasingly.
It's like all those people cheering Caitlin, Bruce Jenner, when he pretended to be Caitlin as the athlete.
Whatever was going on there at the ES, the Espys Awards, the Sports Awards.
I mean, they all cheered as if, yes, this is a woman.
I mean, it's preposterous, but that's leftism.
And that's the society that has been built.
And Kevin dives into how it was built and where we go from here in his book.
We've got one more segment with him to wrap it all up.
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The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar.
When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency.
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Well, it's been a very special broadcast of TPC tonight as we have our good friend and regular guest, mainstay, Kevin McDonald.
But unlike you've heard him before on this show, for two full hours talking about a brand new book just released a couple of weeks ago, Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition is its title one more time, Evolutionary Origins, History, and Prospects for the Future.
If you go to Amazon.com tonight, you could do me a favor.
You could do yourself a favor and search for Kevin McDonald book and make this a purchase.
And, you know, Christmas, now we're in October.
Christmas isn't that far away.
Treat yourself or gift a friend or loved one with this book, a culmination in some ways of Kevin's life work.
He's been working on it for 40 years off and on, obviously, not continuously.
But anyway, it is an epic.
And Kevin, I have two more questions for you, and then we're going to transition in the third hour to Sean Bergen, folks, who will take us to the house.
Kevin, of course, you're an evolutionary psychologist, and a lot of your book does deal with psychology.
We've been talking about evolutionary origins.
We've been talking about history, but let's talk psychology.
How does it tie into your work on evolutionary psychology?
You claim, for instance, that egalitarian individualists are prone to creating moral communities.
We were just talking about that, communities not based on kinship, and that Scandinavians are extreme on this tendency.
How does that play out in the contemporary world where Sweden, for example, has declared itself a humanitarian superpower and a stifling groupthink has developed around the question of migration in this former land of the Vikings?
Yeah, and Scandinavia is fascinating.
Sweden capable of, I think, are the most egalitarian culture in the world.
A lot of data on that.
And they, it's interesting, you know, you think of that, if it's individualistic, it wouldn't be prone to groupthink, but it is.
I mean, it's a high trust culture.
They trust other people to have honest opinions.
And so, I mean, I got this example where there were these people investigating a crime, and this guy confessed, and everybody, you know, believed it.
And even though there were all kinds of signs that he was, you know, it was a false confession, it didn't come up because people trusted each other and groupthink developed.
And you have that now around immigration, say.
Immigration isn't discussed, even though you have this huge increase in crime there.
Sweden has one of the highest rape rates now in the world.
You have massive migration and unemployment.
But the downside of immigration, it just isn't discussed.
And people are afraid to discuss it.
And so if you do discuss it, you are literally a Nazi.
I quote the journalist about that.
I mean, it's an amazing thing.
And it's worse, you know, it's more extreme.
Sweden is telling her people they have to make sacrifices.
There's a housing shortage.
I visited Sweden.
You talk to these young people.
They can't even get a place to live.
They have to live with their parents and stuff like that.
But in the meantime, Sweden is supporting all these people, providing housing for them.
And they're converting churches.
And people to give their summer homes.
I mean, every building that the government gets their hands on is converted into housing.
They have to build a whole new stock in a few years.
It's just an amazing thing to see it.
Yet this personal sacrifice is limited.
You know, again, it's part of this moralistic in-group kind of thing.
So, I have a whole chapter on psychological mechanisms.
And part of the chapter, though, is mechanisms that will, I think, make us more racially conscious.
I mean, one thing about individualism is that we are less ethnocentric than other peoples.
And that's a weakness, obviously.
In the current age, it is a weakness because we have all these other people coming in.
And, you know, we're not as cohesive.
We don't value our race.
Plus, in the media, people who identify as white and say that whites have interests, they're just, you know, the worst of the worst.
They're evil, evil, evil.
But one of the mechanisms I think that is going to make us more obese is all the hate we see in the media against white people now.
It's very common.
And I'm on Twitter.
One of the things I always tweet is when I find examples who see anti-white hate.
And some people have compiled a lot of these tweets, and it's amazing to see it.
And it's not, of course, it's not just non-whites who are doing this, but a lot of them are.
It's white people.
And then you have things like the New York Times hiring this Asian communist who is blatantly anti-white.
You know, and all these white tweets.
I mean, if she had been the other way around where she was anti-black or something like that, she'd never have gotten hired.
She'd have been fired in a heartbeat.
But, you know, I'm saying white men are the root of all evil or whatever.
That is the problem.
And there are a lot of other examples, you know, Slate Magazine, CNN, MSNBC.
This stuff happens a lot.
And when white people see that, they start thinking, you know, maybe this new world, this utopian world of multicultural harmony is not going to happen.
And that if whites lose power, as they are slated to do, if things continue this way, it's going to be terrible for whites.
We are going to be victimized because we are.
Well, that leads me into the last question as we bring this whole thing into sharp focus and into summation.
Now, we've been talking about Kevin's book, 541 pages, two hours on the radio.
We're just scratching the surface.
If you want to dive deeper still, Amazon.com, search for Kevin McDonald's book, Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition.
But here we go, Kevin.
Last question.
And this has been an incredibly, an incredibly fast two hours on the radio.
Your overall perspective, as we've covered tonight, is that there were three major upheavals in the history of the West.
The ancient Indo-Europeans establishing their culture.
We've covered that.
The rise of Protestantism, particularly in the 17th century, and what we haven't touched on, really, the 1960s countercultural revolution.
Now, you argue in the book that Protestant groups like the Puritans developed moral communities in which dissenters were shunned and ostracized.
But in the last chapter of your book, you claimed that the 1960s revolution was different because it had been defined by the rise of Jews as a hostile elite, able to create a moral community by their influence in the media and the academic world.
So within this new moral community, quote unquote, whites who stand up for themselves, you just talked about this, and for their people are vilified.
What does that portend for the future of individualism and for the future of our people as we still go forward?
Well, I do think whites are going to cohere more.
I mean, what's really different is, I mean, previous cultures Western cultures did not hate the people that were in them.
I mean, granted, the Puritans hated the South, okay.
But that all pretty much healed, and we had a cohesive culture.
I do think that white southerners are the main hope that we have.
I mean, of all the peoples, white people in America, they have more of an identity and more of a sense of their own history and culture.
And they are more prone, I think, to cohesiveness.
But I do think that all the hate we see and the fact that the white people are not going to be able to control their own destiny at the voting booth in the very near future.
I mean, already you've got maybe, I think within the Democratic Party, you're approaching a majority of votes coming from non-whites.
And that you have so many whites who are still on board with this.
Although, I mean, it's pretty obvious that white people are coal, that's in the Republican Party.
Unfortunately, the Republican Party is still the party of vested business interests and all of that.
And this new Jewish elite has certainly got a firmly based Republican Party, probably less so than in the Democratic Party for sure.
But I think Jews provide at least 25% of the funding to the Republican Party.
And you have these neocons who dominated Republican foreign policy until Trump got in.
They became Trump haters because of his populist attitudes and stances on immigration.
I mean, these neoconservatives loved immigration.
They love wars for Israel and the Middle East in general.
So this is a new culture, and it's a terrifying culture.
And because this is a culture that will, if it is allowed to continue, it will eclipse white America and it will eclipse the West.
We will not have a Western culture that this could be the death of the West.
On the other hand, we are seeing more white identity.
People, sometimes not explicitly, they don't say I'm white and I'm proud, but they gravitate to white culture.
They move away from when blacks move into their community of immigrants, if they can.
The biggest losers of this transformation has been the working class, because working class people oftentimes can't move away.
They can't take their kids out of the public schools.
And so they are the ones that have suffered the most.
And we've had a huge deterioration in our culture since 1960.
I have an appendix of the eighth chapter on that.
You see rises in divorce, out of wedlock, birth, people not wanting to work.
And this applies to the white community as well, less so than the black community.
But everybody, all, this has been a downhill pattern since the 1960s and all the markers of family functioning and healthy marriages and that sort of thing.
I grew up in the 1950s.
I was very fortunate in this before all this happened.
I didn't know anybody whose parents was.
Kevin, we're flat out of time.
One word answer.
Buy the book, folks.
One word answer, Kevin, right now.
What's the nation that's going to lead us out of it?