Aug. 24, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, going across the South and worldwide, as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Welcome back, everybody, to the main event of tonight's live broadcast, our featured guest of the evening, Pastor Brett McAtee.
Pastor Brett is the husband of a wife without fear, father of three children who walk as heroes in the land, and grandfather of nine.
He is the author of Iron Inc, which is committed to thinking God's thoughts after him.
He has pastored Christ the King Reformed Church in Charlotte, Michigan for over 20 years.
I last missed an entire broadcast back the first week of May.
It was my wedding anniversary.
And Winston Smith anchored that show and had as his featured guest that evening, Pastor Brett McAtee.
And of all the times we have talked about matters of faith and heritage, I think Pastor Brett did the best job I've ever heard on this radio program of reconciling the two and talking about how they go hand in hand with one another and are not at odds with one another.
And I thought that this would be a really good week.
I think we need to turn our attention back to the eternal and the spiritual tonight.
And we're going to do that right now.
Pastor McAtee, so great to have you back.
Thank you, James, for having me.
It's good to hear you.
Well, good to hear you.
And thanks for taking the time.
So we're going to talk a little bit later this hour about what's going on in the churches now and how that happened and what recourse we have and where our people should be and where we can go for spiritual nourishment.
But let's first go back to a topic I know you addressed last time you were on.
And I listened to that interview as I was driving back and just was really riveted.
Let's talk about the reconciliation of our faith and heritage, or if you prefer, the intersection of Christianity and ethno-nationalism.
I wrote in an article that I wrote back in 2011, or rather in 2015, it was entitled My Journey.
And I asked how they go about ridding us of Christianity.
And I said that the most effective tactic has been to convince most white people of the lie that they cannot at the same time love and advocate for our people and be a true Christian.
And the lie, of course, goes something like this.
If you're white and if you love your own people, then you're a racist.
And the Bible and Christianity condemn racism.
Now, as I said, that's a lie, but enough of our people have believed it that it has become a primary tool in our genocide.
And having believed it, our people have been left with a choice.
You can either hate your own people so you can be a Christian, or you can stop being a Christian so you can be a racist.
Pastor Brett, tell them what you feel about that question.
Well, first of all, it's obviously clear that you can love your own people without hating everybody else.
I mean, to say that loving your people automatically means that you hate those people who are your people is just ridiculous.
Even the Apostle Paul in Romans chapter 9 talks about his incredible passion, compassion for his people.
And he's talking about them as they're outside of Christ.
He said, I would call myself a curse for my fellow kinsmen.
Some passages even interpreted it as my fellow race.
So to suggest that because I love my people, I therefore hate everybody else, it's just special pleading.
It's absurd.
It doesn't match.
Secondly, we find all the way through scripture, God's people loving their people.
Paul, I already mentioned in Romans chapter 9.
Jesus made it clear when he first came that he came to the household of Israel.
That doesn't mean that he wasn't a savior for all who would look to him, but it means that his initial focus was on his people, the household of Israel.
You see that in the prophets?
And indeed, I would say, unless you love your own people, you cannot love.
You cannot love beyond that concentric circle.
So the first concentric circle is your own people, your family, your kids, your kin.
Then beyond that, our subsequent circles of people who are aliens with greater degrees.
But if you don't love your own people, you can't love those out in those further concentric circles.
And it's just summed up with charity begins at home.
Well, I actually made mention of that as well.
I'm so glad.
And I should be impressed by you because I know your background and I know how wonderful of a shepherd of the Lord you are.
But that is impressive that you would bring that up just right out of the bat when answering that question.
And I didn't intend to get into this and I looked up the passage, but I would agree, of course, that they are complimentary to the point that not only can you be a Christian and love your own race, not only should you be a Christian and love your own race, but if you are a Christian, then with a proper application, you will love your people and the way God made you.
I mean, that's what we're talking about here.
And you mentioned Paul.
What Paul said in Romans 9:3 is, for I wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen, according to the flesh.
You'll feel the same imperative to protect your genetic line as Abraham did when he told his servant, but thou shalt go into my country and to my kindred and take a wife unto my son Isaac.
You'll fear the displeasure of God who said through Paul, quote, but if any provide not for his own and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.
And that's in 1 Timothy 5:8, Pastor Brett.
Pastor Brett, this is Keith Alexander.
I'm a co-host of James.
How did white churches come to this gradual point that we're at today where they seem to, you know, the pastors seem to covet a flock that God hasn't given them.
God has given them a flock of white sheep, but they covet a flock of black sheep or non-white sheep of various stripes.
And this is, you know, I don't see that happening in the black church.
Could you comment on that for us?
What's going on?
How did this come to pass?
Okay, did we lose Pastor Brett?
We may need to try to reconnect.
We have our first commercial break coming up in about a minute, so we will see what's going on.
All right, but in the meantime, a lot of what he said just there in that opening salvo in that opening question is stuff that we have documented in this article that I brought to your attention just a moment ago, written in November of 2015 for appropriately enough, the website faithandheritage.com.
It's the title, My Journey.
You can check it out by just Googling, I guess you could say, my journey and James Edwards.
But yeah, you know, I'll be interested to hear his reaction to the application of the faith.
Okay, Pastor Brett, I don't know exactly when we got cut off, but we apologize for that.
Okay, well, we're back at full strength now.
So if you heard the whole thing, you can chime in.
I guess the question is: I'll sum it down.
Have the churches always been so eager to trim their sails?
I mean, talking about the American churches, to trim their sails to satisfy society, or is this a relatively new innovation?
I think you have to go back To the civil rights era.
In my studies, that's where I find that the slow turning begins at that point.
And at that point, which is really the civil rights is largely, not completely, but largely a communist Marxist movement.
At that point, the church becomes convinced that somehow it's done an evil thing all because it wasn't completely integrated.
And so the church at that point, and then over the next 30 or 40 years after that, becomes increasingly convinced that if it wants to be a true church, that it has to reach out.
All right, hold on right there.
Our guest for the full hour tonight, we're coming up to our first break of the hour, Pastor Brett McAtee.
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If you are looking for a church and you can't find one that is giving you a full loaf in your local area, I haven't read anything in the Bible that says you can't get your spiritual nourishment online and you can watch Pastor Brett's live stream as I know some of our audience does.
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I was talking with our guest, Pastor Brett McAtee, earlier this week, that some people have even gone so far to say as they've been so alienated from establishment religion that the political cesspool has become their church.
And in no way, shape, or form are we meant to substitute true spiritual nourishment.
But we do take the compliment in the spirit it's intended.
But I do want to encourage you that if you are having trouble finding a Bible-believing church and a church that hasn't surrendered to society's wills, check out the website charlotreformed.org.
Charlotte is in the city, charlotereformed.org, and that will be the online outpost for Christ the King Reformed Church.
That's Pastor Brett McAtee's church.
And Pastor Brett, long ago, the theologian A.W. Tozer put it, religion today is not transforming people, rather, it is being transformed by the people.
It is not raising the moral level of society.
It is descending to society's own level and congratulating itself that it has scored a victory because society is smilingly accepting its surrender.
Do you think that accurately describes most denominations in America today?
And again, elaborate a little more on why you think that is.
God bless A.W. Tozer.
I read everything I could get my hands on by him in my 30s.
Anyway, yeah, he's exactly right.
Institutions are going to reflect their culture if they're going to pack people in.
And that includes the church.
So if the church wants to pack them in, if its main goal is putting the meat in the seat, then they're going to reflect the culture.
And if they don't reflect the culture, odds are, and I know there are exceptions, but odds are they're going to be small.
So, yes, the church has entered into what Luther called the Babylonian captivity.
I'd call the cultural Marxist activity.
And we are reinterpreting now, that is the denomination largely.
Again, there are exceptions.
We're reinterpreting Christianity to a cultural Marxist grid so that we have more in common with Herbert Marcusa and William Reich than we do Jesus Christ.
And it's not just any one stripe or flavor.
You can find it all across the board.
It doesn't matter where you pull in on a Sunday morning or parking lot.
Generally speaking, what you're going to get is cultural Marxism from the pulpit.
Well, Pastor, this is Keith Alexander again.
Black churches don't seem to have any problem at all with identifying and sympathizing with their flock racially.
Why is this affliction?
It seems to be unique to white Gentile churches.
What's the explanation?
What is happening?
What's the dynamic?
Yeah, as we started out, as I started to know earlier, it starts with the civil rights era.
False guilt is heaped upon white people in general.
There's a narrative that's created and spun that is definitely questionable and maybe even more than questionable.
Maybe it's even dubious.
And white people begin to get burdened with this idea of false guilt.
And what they do then, thinking they can relieve themselves of this guilt, they end up thinking they have to become interracial and their churches are multiracial.
And in doing that, they accept what's too often the case, the cultural Marxist minority agenda, because cultural Marxism, its whole goal was to use minority community as its foot soldiers in its long march through the institution.
Then you fast forward from the civil rights era to the era of postmodernism where we're at now and truth becomes individual and private.
Therefore, you can't appeal to capital T truth.
And what happens is little T Truth comes into every one of these congregations, and we're so flooded then with Cohn's black theology and liberation theology that that gets into the meal and the intellectual mindset.
That gets into our seminaries.
That gets to our preachers.
I mean, that gets into our churches.
And so it's a long background as to how we've gotten to this place.
But if you were going to sum it up, blow away all the draws, it's really the idea that we've been given a false guilt with a false narrative as created by those who go by the name of cultural Marxists.
Well, you know, I think it's this simple.
They're guilty of the sin of covetousness.
They have been given a white flock by God, but they covet a black flock.
They're like Jonah.
They don't want to accept their assignment from God, and they don't realize that if they got their wish, which was to have a black flock, the first thing the black flock would do is vote them out of the pulpit.
Well, I think it's even much simpler than that, Keith.
I think you're right, but I think ultimately, you know, we have to understand, and I know that our audience does, that Christians shouldn't be held.
Well, maybe they should be held to a different standard, but we have to understand that these churches, what is a church except for a community of people from the local area.
So when people come into a church building, they're not automatically immune from all of the ills of society.
And I think, you know, white people in a church house or white people at your local McDonald's have this same fear.
They fear more than anything being called a racist.
And they will do whatever it takes, including surrendering their own patrimony, yes, to avoid this.
And you see this out of church leaders now.
No one wants to be hassled.
No one wants to be called a racist.
No one wants to be bothered for standing up for the truth.
But it is interesting, Pastor Brett, that the application of Christianity differs wildly even amongst our own people, our own brothers and sisters in different parts of the Western world.
Now, a few months ago, there were simultaneous events taking place.
And I bring these to your attention to illustrate the contrast.
In Poland, the church there, or Christians there, were praying for stronger borders.
In America, there was a big rally as Christians were repenting for quote-unquote racial sins.
Including immigration and exclusion of non-whites.
Well, here's the details, though, very quickly.
Thousands of Catholics formed a human chain along the borders of Poland on the anniversary of the historic victory by Europe over the Ottoman Empire to officially pray for peace against the Islamization of Europe.
Prayers took place across some 4,000 locations across the country's 2,000-mile border, 2,000-mile border, involving 320 churches from 22 dioceses.
So that was in Poland.
In America, at approximately the same time, there was a gathering of Christian women in Washington, D.C. for a worship-focused revival calling on Americans to repent for this country's history of racial and gender-based injustices.
So, Pastor Brett, these are allegedly self-identified, self-avowed Christians in Poland and in America praying for wildly different things.
Your thoughts and insight on that.
Well, first of all, Poland lived under communism for a long time, so they haven't forgotten what communism is and what its impact and implications are.
We never lived under communism.
What's happening now in our churches and in our broader culture is the same type of thing, only under a different banner.
So that would be my first observation.
The second observation would be that Americans just are not an intelligent people overall.
I mean, your right mindset is to basically say you want to kill yourself.
You want to kill who you are.
And thirdly, you have to say that, look, Christianity, I mean, it doesn't mean anything unless you put content into it.
And those people who are putting content into Christianity, that means we need to kill our people.
We need to kill ourselves.
Well, I'm sorry.
You may call it whatever you want, but that's not Christianity.
It's theologically Stockholm syndrome, I think.
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Well, so that's the application there and here.
And I think you're exactly right about they have suffered under communism.
Perhaps we needed to suffer a little bit more.
Americans have been too fat, dumb, and happy for far too long.
I mean, the only place really where you have a culture that is still nominally identifiable is in the South.
And the reason that that exists, I think, is because of the suffering that we had during the war and then in Reconstruction.
But I want to remind you folks, charlotreformed.com.
That's C-H-A-R-L-O-T-T-E, charlotte reformed.org.
Excuse me, charlotte reformed.org.
There you can find the writings, the sermons, the audios.
We have somebody listening tonight that say they watch Pastor Brett's sermons every week there on YouTube, ChristTheKing Reformed Church at charlotte reformed.org.
Please write that down if you cannot find a church, home church, and let Pastor Brett lead you online.
That's the way the early church was formed, by the way, ladies and gentlemen.
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This is such a founding pillar of why this show was created.
I mean, we were really created.
When I started this show, I knew that we wanted to tell the truth about racial realities.
We wanted to tell the truth about and be able to celebrate our southern heritage.
And we certainly wanted to be all centered from a Christ-centric perspective.
So faith was always part of our identity as it should be, as it should be.
And it's so rewarding and encouraging to have a man like Pastor Brett McCatey on with us tonight, a man of God who leads his flock and has dedicated his life to this calling to just basically, I mean, I don't want to minimize it, but I mean, it is common sense when you boil it all down.
But it's just, it's so encouraging to have a pastor of a church on that will tell you the truth because they are few and far between today, and that's a sad state of affairs.
So, you know, we're talking about now how it seems as though our state religion is political correctness.
Tolerance and diversity are the best we can strive to accomplish and are Hunting Gibson's commentary.
Well, I'm getting to, Keith, you're reading my mind or my notes.
And yes, that's next.
Martin Luther King has replaced Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.
But with regards to tolerance and diversity, I have a couple of quotes for you, Pastor Brett, that we'd like to get your response to.
Hutton Gibson, the father of Mel Gibson, has made a couple of appearances on this show.
And this is what he said about tolerance.
Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society.
When an immoral society has blatantly and proudly violated all the commandments, it insists upon one last virtue, tolerance for its immorality.
It will not tolerate condemnation of its perversions.
It creates a whole new world in which only the intolerant critic of intolerable evil is evil.
Is that where we are now, not just in society, but in perhaps many mega churches?
Oh, yeah, we're trying to denomination.
Aristotle says something similar to what Gibson gave us, but that's exactly where we're at.
We're so tolerant.
Our brains are falling out of our ears.
We can't draw lines anymore.
We can't even say anymore to the homosexual, the sodomite, out of the love of Christ and love for you.
You need to repent because this is wickedness that stinks in God's nostrils.
We can't tell men and women that men are men and women are women.
We can't say that, look, Christ came to save people from every tribe, tongue, and nation.
But that doesn't mean that all tribe, tongues, and nations have to be this global, homo-global cottage of mess.
Mesopotamia.
It's what's killing us.
Well, you know, Pastor Brett, you're really getting me fired up.
I hope, I mean, it's been since May since you last appeared.
I really hope you can start appearing more frequently because we need the spiritual guidance.
I mean, I know that people in this movement to save our race, to better, you know, for white well-being, they need something eternal.
Everything we're talking about is important, but we need there is something more to life than life.
And there is something more.
There is something eternal.
There is something spiritual that our people lack that we need, but we need leadership.
When people ask for a loaf and are given a stone and ask for a fish and are given a serpent, they're going to look elsewhere for spiritual nourishment.
And that's the problem that many Christians have today.
I can't support, for example, James is more of a recent arrival to this because his church, he thought, was going to be the last bastion, the Southern Baptist.
Now they have gone over to the dark side.
I'm an Episcopalian and I encountered all of this back in the 60s with Bishop Pike and people like that.
You know, do we have any alternative other than to return to the catacombs or have home churching?
The other thing that James was just mentioning is people can tune into your broadcast and your website, your sermons and things like this for spiritual nourishment.
Of course, that's not like having a church home where you meet and fellowship with people individually.
I mean, as a group.
But, you know, a lot of people are really at their wit's end because they know they're getting nothing but rank heresy from the mainline Protestant churches, for example, or the fundamentalist churches that they are members of or have historically been members of.
So let's cut to the chase on that.
And then I've got something that will actually accentuate what you just said, Keith, but let's go to Pastor Brett on this.
Pastor Brett, to Mr. and Mrs. TPC listener out there who are looking for a church but don't know where to go, what would you advise them?
That's the question.
Well, the best, look, I have people from all over the nation, and it's not an exaggeration that phone me routinely with this same complaint.
My heart breaks, is broken.
I spend time, I'm not exaggerating, full of tears over what the condition of the church is that people can't find a church.
My counsel is if you're in a big urban area, see if you can find some families and go into a church and try to take it back.
If you can't do that, then you have to do some kind of home church.
Maybe that includes sermons from Charlotte Christ the King Reformed Church.
But what you can't do, above all else, you can't keep writing checks to those churches that are trying to working to, as a subterfuge to what you believe.
You can't do it.
So the only other option that you can't take over a church, and I know that's a tall order, is to home churches as best you can.
I like what you said, Pastor.
I've always said here that the only sound a liberal fears is the click of a closing purse.
That's right.
Well, I want to say one more thing about tolerance.
We talked about that earlier with the Hutton Gibson quote.
There was another one from, I believe she was a British writer, a poet, a crime writer, a novelist, Dorothy Sayers.
She may have the last word on tolerance, and it gets to the spiritual aspect of it.
In the world, it's called tolerance, she writes, but in hell it's called despair.
The sin that believes in nothing, cares for nothing, seeks to know nothing, interferes with nothing, enjoys nothing, hates nothing, finds purpose in nothing, lives for nothing, and remains alive because there is nothing for which it will die.
Now, that really, I think, accurately describes so many Americans, including, sadly, so many American Christians.
But I will say this.
And I know a lot of people who have inquired upon Christianity in the last couple of decades would be alienated from it.
And we're going to get to that in the next segment.
But the fact that their matter remains for our people, the savior for the lost, the hell-bound, and the hell-deserving is not tolerance, but the risen and glorified Lord Jesus Christ.
This new virtue of tolerance is but an opiate to satiate the long-atrophied sense of accountability that lays dormant in the self-righteous coward, Pastor Brett.
Yeah, nobody would ever accuse the Apostle Paul of being tolerant.
Read the book of Acts, read the epistles.
The church, if it's going to go forward in victory and triumph, and it will, eventually in God's time, it will triumph.
If the church is going to go forward, then it has to be intolerant in the way the scriptures define what God's standard is.
It has to draw lines.
It has to say this is right and this is wrong.
It has to tell sinners about their sin, not because they get some kind of malignant delight in it, but because they love them enough in order for them to tell them that, look, the only solution to this sin problem you have is the work of Jesus Christ on the cross.
And now God commands all men everywhere to repent.
He doesn't invite you.
He doesn't, he doesn't say, oh, please, please, please, please, come.
He commands you to repent.
And unless we can get back into tolerance, we will not have a gospel.
Period.
It requires you to be born again.
That's right.
Looking to Christ alone to be justified for him to receive our sins and for him to impute to us or account to us his righteousness so that we're acceptable with God.
Absolutely.
And this is exactly what people need to hear from a pastor.
And instead, they hear the truth.
Actually, here, Keith, isn't that the truth?
Go ahead.
Yeah, basically, what is happening now is that people are, you know, why would anybody, if liberalism has replaced Christianity as the true religion of these churches, why do people even bother with the church altogether?
Tell me about this church that's across the street from one of your favorite eating places, the First Congo Church.
What are they all about?
They're the transgender, bisexual, homosexual church, a former congregational church.
You know, the congregation were like the Episcopalians of New England.
And by the way, New England was formed by the British crown, not to make money like most colonies, but as a dumping ground for religious crackpots, and it lived up to their projections.
Well, my pastor, my longtime pastor, has said, you know, not every building with a steeple is a church house.
And so I asked Pastor Brett, I mean, with the lesbian ministers and, you know, the homosexual marriages and all of that, why do these institutions, these buildings, these community centers even pretend to be churches anymore?
Is it for the tax break?
Why don't they just go to the Rotary Club or the Lions Club or something like this if all they want is, you know, state-approved liberalism rather than true Christianity?
Is it tax breaks or is it to actually sully the name of Christianity to alienate people from it?
Well, we may have to, well, we'll repose that question when we come back because we were on our break.
My goodness, how quickly this hour is going by with Pastor Brett McAfee.
Stay tuned, everybody.
Let's hang on and come back to the political sesh pool right after these messages here on the Liberty News Radio Network.
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We have one more segment with Pastor Brett Backety.
And before we get to the end of it, I want to ask him why there is reason for our people to hope and have hope going forward.
And we have to get to that.
So we have to move through this segment rather quickly.
But Pastor Brett, you and I were talking a couple of days ago, I shared with you, and I knew you had already been somewhat familiar with the story about my church's entire dismissal from the Southern Baptist Convention.
And I know that you've suffered similarly from your denomination, which is actually a great credit in your favor and is a true testament to your standing and devotion to the Word of God and of that of your congregation.
But the way I see it, and we've said this before, that these evangelical churches are dying because they alienate men who are the natural spiritual leaders of families.
The church today, with its cucking on race and feminism and immigration, demands that the saving grace of Christ comes attached at the hip with this sick suicide cult of feminized leaders like Russell Moore and the Southern Baptist Convention specifically.
But does this even qualify as gospel when any sane person must reject the suicidal package offered by the modern church?
And Daddy said as much even in his day.
But the point being that any reasonable person would reject such a ridiculous practice of religion out of hand, meaning that the very best of our people will be alienated from Christianity.
So, of course, we hope that there's some extraordinary measure of grace at work today for the reasonable unbeliever, the disproportionately non-religious, conservative white cannot but look at the church and gag.
Well, you know, we run into this in our movement all the time, people that have turned on Christianity because they identify Christianity with what they're hearing from pulpits locally.
That gets to my question for Pastor Brett.
So I see it the way I see it, I can attest to the problems that the modern day church has with the establishment church.
But I will also say that in spite of all of that, it doesn't change the eternal truths.
Pastor Brett, can our people triumph without Christ at the center?
Be it in a political movement, in anything, can our people triumph without Christ at the center of it?
No.
No, and that's why I have problems with certain ethno-nationalist movements because they want to broaden the net, so to speak, and have a wide tent where Christ is one of the gods.
Well, that's right back to where the problem started to begin with.
Unless Christ is held up as being prophet, priest, and king under sovereign God, unless it's understood that we live and move and have our being in God in Christ, unless it's understood that the Lord God omnipotent reigneth, we will be a people who will forever be defeated.
We will never be a victorious people until we take fealty oaths to our Lord Jesus Christ and live and move and understand all reality in terms of who he is.
This is the problem with the church.
It no longer thinks God's thoughts after him.
It's taking an alien worldview.
It's looking at scripture and it said, we're going to understand the scripture a lot of this alien worldview instead of a worldview that has Christ as the center and its king.
The church must be Christocentric if it's going to be the church again.
Well, let me say this.
I have told people before that they want to know where the true Christian faith resides.
And I tell them it's between the covers of the original King James Bible.
As far as I'm concerned, you've got to basically be very careful.
You've got to be very wise and discerning to find a good church.
Because like you said, you don't want to be feeding apostasy with your tithes and offering.
Well, that actually goes back to the question we had for you before the last break.
We got cut off, Pastor Brett.
Why these churches pretend to be churches at all rather than just liberal outposts?
Is it because they just want the 501c3 status or are they actively trying to subvert people's religious faith or people's interpretation of what Christianity really stands for?
I've thought about that a lot, actually, over the years.
I have a thesis, and the thesis says is that they attend these churches because by attending them, they can say good things to themselves about themselves.
See what a fine person I am.
I'm in church on Sundays.
I go to church.
This speaks well of me to myself.
Now, some of the more epistemologically self-conscious understand they're subverting Christianity, but the average person who's sitting in the pew who has adopted this worldview from the pulpit, from the larger culture, he goes to church because he says good things about himself to himself.
That's my thesis.
I think that's honestly probably the best and most succinct answer I've heard.
I mean, it really is about it.
I think there's something to that because at the end of the day, I can speak for myself in saying that I feel better about having gone to church on Sunday.
I mean, you feel better about your day.
You feel better about yourself, better about your week.
I get it.
But, you know, when you go to these churches where, I mean, it's lesbians talking about the sin of racism and how all people of the, you know, all, you know, all of these people, churches that have exchanged the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John for the gospels of Peter, Paul, and Mary.
That's pretty much it.
But, Pastor Brett, I mean, we know what the problems are in this world.
And I wanted to have you back on tonight because it seems as though they're only being compounded.
And I wanted to ask you, and this is important, what reasons do our people have for hope?
And I mean by our people, the God-fearing hardworking family men who don't believe that you have to commit cultural pride in order to be a truly good person.
What hope do we have for the future?
Well, we have the hope of scriptures.
Scripture teaches in 1 Corinthians 15 that Jesus Christ must reign until all enemies are put under his feet.
And then it talks about the return of Christ in that context.
So we have the certainty of knowing that no matter how black or bleak it may be now, Christ is going to rule.
And he's going to rule through his people's obedience.
And yes, in as much as we're no longer an obedient people, it's blackout.
But there'll come a time when the Spirit of Christ comes upon God's people and renews them to want to take Christ again as king.
And when that happens, increasingly the light will, well, post-ten of brick flux from darkness to light will happen, just happen in the Reformation.
Then you have Psalm chapter 2, kiss the son, all you kings, lest you be angry and you perish in the way.
In other words, what's being clearly communicated there is that the leaders have a responsibility to kiss Christ.
And if they don't, they're going to feel the pain.
So we have that kind of idea.
Psalm 110 likewise communicates this idea.
So our hope is not in the circumstances we're living in.
The hope is in the promises that we find in scripture that Christ rules and he will keep ruling until he returns and finds a world that's largely converted.
Well, we want to be the faithful remnant and we want to, to use the old spiritual, be in that number when the saints come marching in.
And we've got to be discerning.
And now, but we also have to have confidence in the scope that the scripture teaches about Christ reigning and that the world is, while now it may be weak, that Christ is going to work by his spirit through his people to the end of converting the world, and then he'll return.
That's what our confidence and our hope has to rep in what's called epistemologically, of post-millennialism.
I think the key is to not just hear sermons, but to read the Bible and to read it with discernment and to, you know, contrast it to the messages that you're getting from like the Southern Baptist Convention now or the Episcopal Church USA.
Well, I think, too, Pastor Brett, that, you know, for me, speaking, you know, 15 years in radio and all of the arrows we've taken and spears, you know, without that foundation being built on the bedrock of Jesus Christ, I mean, I don't think we make it this long.
I know.
I mean, I just know that having a faith in him and that my work is not inconsistent with his teachings that I have been able to endure.
What can the rock of Christ do for people as they have to face the inevitable challenges that will come for telling the truth, whether it be politically or spiritually or whatever?
I know you too have gone through these problems with the churches attacking you, your own brothers in Christ attacking you.
But what can Christ do to embolden and encourage our people as we face these uncertain days ahead and the challenges that will come if we do good work?
Well, the scriptures teach, well, actually, one command is repeated, most often the scriptures fear not.
So we have to do our best to take heed of that command.
We have to be confident, secondly, in God's sovereignty.
If God is sovereign, if nothing happens except by the legislative decree of the sovereign God who sets in heaven above and rules, if he's sovereign and we believe that, then we can do that.
Whatever comes into our lives comes into our lives through the hand of a sovereign God who loves us, no matter what it is.
And so those are the kinds of truths that we have to set ourselves upon in terms of finding confidence and finding hope for black or bleak days ahead.
We have to be confident that we're doing what's right in the sight of God, and then we have to be confident that he will do what's right for us in terms of the existential circumstances that come into our lives.
I think that when you're in a situation like this, what we need to do is, you know, come unto me, all ye that travel and are heavy laden, and I will refresh you.
We need to turn to God in prayer with all of our questions, with all of our doubts.
It's unfortunate if you don't have a priest there at your church that you can rely upon.
But if you don't, go directly to God.
Pastor McAtee, I know I've butchered the actual pronunciation of your website a couple of times tonight, but if you've enjoyed what you've heard from Pastor Brett this evening, I've alternated calling him Pastor McAtee.
Pastor Brett McAtee, let's just put it all together.
If you've enjoyed what you've heard tonight, ladies and gentlemen, you'd like to hear more of it.
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