July 13, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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But I'm hoping now a nice long one-hour one-on-one with our featured guest of the night, Tom Kaczynski, will help just set the pace just right.
And Tom Kaczynski, of course, is the author of five books on current events, nationalist philosophy in American history, as well as two fiction selections.
His focus is on educating people on the consequences of rapid demographic change, the ongoing subversion of America by a rising communist threat, and to unmask corruption.
His latest book, End the Con, doubles as a platform for, wait for it, his own 2020 Republican presidential candidacy built around these issues and the defense of nation and tradition.
You may remember, of course, Tom Kaczynski as being the former town manager of Jackman, Maine.
Check out his campaign website at www.endthecon.com.
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Tom, great to have you back with us tonight.
James, thanks for having me on.
I appreciate it.
Well, I was excited to get your text message this week.
This has been, as I mentioned, a pretty busy week for me with some family situations that have cropped up.
And I knew this would be a fantastic way to fill an hour.
And your text came in like manna from heaven.
And it was actually on a topic that we had intended to cover tonight anyway.
And that was basically handicapping where the president stands right now versus the Democratic field as it is set here and this mid-July, about a year and a half before the election.
It's still very early on in the cycle, but not too early to assess the way things are shaping up this evening.
And in addition to that, we wanted to know whether or not we had a dog in the fight in the coming election cycle.
And with the announcement of your candidacy, perhaps we do.
So where to start is the question.
Well, I think we can handicap the field, but let me give you the five-second version, and I'll speak with complete Yankee haste so we can get everything in and give you a little breakthrough.
The one thing that I have two issues that are motivating me in this election, and we can talk about other issues as this goes along through the night.
But I believe that America is on the verge of going to a very bad place because we are seeing a demographic transformation in this country that is enabling basically America to become like California.
We are bringing in millions of legal immigrants every year.
In fact, in 2017, the first year of President Trump's presidency, we brought in 1.1 million.
And when you work out how many are these people are going to each side, what you realize is that we are basically every year bringing in an extra 400 to 700,000 new Democratic voters.
America is about a 50-50 proposition at this point.
If we continue doing that, especially when you consider where these people are living in places like Texas, in Florida, in Arizona, President Trump may be the last Republican president.
I wish he would understand the urgency of that issue.
I wish he would not only secure the border through any means necessary, but also begin acting against illegal immigration to protect the liberty that comes to our people based upon who votes and what.
Because the reality is, the second part of this equation, we do not control our culture.
We are censored off major platforms.
We have universities that are over 90% Democrat, which is not even to say communist.
We have a media that's over 90% Democrat.
We have all the main implements of our civilization are basically structured against us, and no one is speaking to these issues.
I call myself a nationalist and a traditionalist.
I believe our basic loyalty test is to look out for our people and to look out for our citizens.
And I do not believe anyone is doing that right now.
One reason I jumped in the race.
And I believe the conservatives, unfortunately, haven't conserved very much.
So I am going out there with an aggressive, full-throated defense of our liberties, of our tradition, of the morality that stems from our Christian faith.
And I'm going to go out there and fight the case because, as I often say, whether you support me in this race against President Trump or not is your choice.
But the day that he's gone, who's next?
Is it Nikki Haley?
Is it Marco Rubio?
Is it Mike Pence?
There isn't a nationalist out there.
And so the opportunity exists now, which may not exist later, to go ahead and build and deepen a nationalist movement with leadership that will actually fight for our right to speak freely, to oppose the immigrant transformation of America, to fight corruption at every level, like in the deep state.
And also, I support ending the Federal Reserve because, you know, bankers do get us into problems from time to time.
So we can talk about any of those issues.
But what I will say is there is an immense desire in the American public for honesty and truth.
And what we are seeing from the Democratic field is pandering to a radical base that doesn't even represent the majority of their party.
And our people throughout this country are sick of it because they are forcing us into fights that the decent people of America have worked so long and compromised so much to avoid having to experience.
So that's kind of my overview.
And if you want to see more, endthecon.com is my website.
And beyond that, we can kind of talk shop.
Yeah, we're going to do a deep dive on it, Tom, this hour, endthecon, C-O-N, endthecon.com for Tom's most recent and most up-to-date website.
Of course, Tom Kaczynski, our guest, came to us, became known to us as a result of national media attention, international media attention, really, about a year and a half ago.
It was February of 2018.
He was then the town manager of Jackson, Maine.
It would be like a mayor here in the South, the town manager.
And they found out that he was not ashamed to be a European American.
And he got the Nathan Bedford Forrest treatment, as we see what's going on now in the press.
And like the general would have done in his day, Tom never backed down.
And since early last year, we have had Tom on at least a half a dozen times and now back with us tonight to talk about where the presidential politics stand here in the summer of 2018.
We are headed for, I think, the most bizarre and nasty election cycle.
You have a cuck-filled for sure.
Thank you, Sam.
But it is going to be something the likes of which I think it'll make the Hillary and Donald Trump thing that happened in 2016 look like a sorority house pillowfight.
So we're going to talk with Tom first about what's going on in the Democratic primary.
I mean, they have a can't-lose proposition on their hands, but they seem to be mucking it up for themselves.
Not that we mind, but we'll talk about that.
And then we're going to talk with him about what traction he believes he may be able to gain by challenging President Trump in the Republican primary.
So Tom Kaczynski, former town manager of Jackman, Maine, with us tonight.
And he's going to be with us for the full hour.
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Okay, so, you know, former town manager, Tom Kaczynski is our guest.
We're going to be talking about where Trump stands, where the Democrats stand, and where he stands, that is being Tom Kaczynski himself, with regards to his upcoming primary bid.
So, first things first, Tom, I think, of course, back in 2015, we all probably in our heart of hearts believed it to be a mirage, but we hoped against hope that Trump would be the real deal.
He certainly seemed to be saying all of the right things.
He certainly seemed to have a real battle with the media going on in front of our eyes.
And there was a lot of things that he said and did that really encouraged the people that voted for him and elected him into office in 2016.
Since then, of course, he's failed to deliver on promise after promise.
And as Brad Griffin wrote recently at occidentaldescent.com, in the 2020 election, Trump is going to have a very difficult time rallying his former base behind MIGA, M-I-G-A, make Israel great again.
The MIGA crowd mixes with the populist, nationalist crowd like oil and water.
The only reason it worked in 2016 is because there were all of these other key populist and nationalist promises that were enticing enough to offset our traditional distaste for the Zionism of mainstream conservatism.
Trump promised to build the wall, deport millions of illegal aliens in the suicide and opioid epidemic in white America, spend trillions of dollars to rebuild our infrastructure, avoid stupid neocon foreign wars, and tax loopholes for Wall Street and in chronic trade imbalances with China and Mexico and other foreign countries.
He has delivered the pro-Israel agenda across the board while letting down his populist and nationalist supporters on all of their key issues.
In fact, he has left many of them worse off than they were before he was elected with regards to border security censorship and anti-foot violence.
So where does the Trump base stand right now, Tom?
Well, they're not with President Kushner, that's for sure.
You know, I don't know what to say.
I mean, you know, it's easy for people to succumb to cynicism when you have politicians who run on one platform and operate on another.
And I've noticed the Trump base is bifurcated.
The people who supported the president based upon expectations he would follow through on policy have begun drifting away or have walked away completely on the basis that they feel that they've been deceived.
And this isn't just people who come from, you know, a dissident right background who were hoping for the quote-unquote God Emperor to appear and magically solve all the problems, but even a basic promise that he made to build a wall.
I mean, during all his rally, you heard three big chants, which was build the wall, drain the swamp, and lock her up.
He gave up on the last promise about 10 seconds after being elected, saying that it wasn't important anymore, even though half his campaign has been locked up since then.
The wall hasn't started, and he's given away any leverage he has.
I mean, or, you know, same with the invasion, the number of people coming across.
I was reading on Breitbart this week that we have like 300 people coming across an hour or something.
It's absolutely insane, yet no one seems to care.
He said it was going to be a national emergency, and it has been a festering wound.
It has become gangrenous.
So a lot of people are pissed off.
Conversely, there are other people out there who say, you know, they're so terrified of Democrats that, you know, they're going to support the president come any means, which I understand on the one hand, but if you're stuck just having people vote for you because you're not the other side, that's a hard way to win an election.
But as you said in the intro, the one thing he has going for him is the disarray on the Democratic side, where the activist face driving their party wants something more radical than the people at large will support.
And so it's very possible we might head into a general election with two unpopular candidates that have regime options that, you know, are not going to be appealing to a lot of people, which perhaps could favor the president.
It's so interesting because you look at the demographic reality.
And I've talked with this about Peter Brimelow on this show in the past.
If whites would vote as a bloc, as the other races do, the Republicans, if they would actually do something for whites, and if whites had that sense of racial solidarity that the other groups do, the Republicans could win elections well into the future.
But, of course, you have nearly 100% of blacks and Hispanics voting for the Democrats.
And, of course, whites predominantly vote for the Republicans, but not nearly to those levels.
And we know.
That's the number.
Right.
So we know that Florida and Texas are teetering.
I mean, they could very, very easily, they both very nearly went in the midterms blew.
They could very easily go with two more years of Democrat graphic displacement.
So, you know, all the Democrats would have to do is just shut up and not do anything too outlandish, and they would walk in.
But I was talking with David Duke about this.
David Duke spent a couple of days at my house last week, and we were talking about Trump.
And I said, you know, what is it with this guy?
I can't figure it out.
Is he just playing his part in the scam?
Or does he truly have instincts that would be America first if you can overlook the Israel stuff?
And David's opinion was, well, he told me, he goes, I think Trump is sincere and that if he was left to his own devices, he would probably do things that would improve the country.
He said he's just too stupid to be able to outmaneuver the people who are really in control of the government.
And I said, well, then why, you know, he's slavishly devoted to Israel on a level that Barack Obama could never even dream to have attained.
I said, so, you know, why would they back?
Why wouldn't they just back him and let him do what he wants to do?
He said, well, you got to understand, they're going to squeeze him to get out of him what they can for Israel, but they hate him because he says things that white people like.
And that was Duke's take on the whole thing that Trump in a vacuum might be okay, but he's just incapable of delivering on anything that he claims he wants to do.
What's your take?
I don't guess it really ultimately matters if he's sincere or insincere.
Here's what I would guess.
I mean, the one part I would say is that I think there's a difference between the Jews of Israel and Jews here in the United States in terms of how they think.
Basically, the people who were right-wingers went there and they left us with the people who were the communists.
And the voting habits kind of bear that out.
So that causes certain issues and that Trump has been integrated with that crowd has led to certain outcomes.
I mean, I guess that sometimes if I was being generous to the president, I imagine him as living in a different generation and a different mindset.
If you were to constrain yourself to going by the book in terms of trying to fight these battles and trying to include everyone, the outcome might look a lot like what Trump has achieved or not achieved, which is that he can't really build consensus, even though I think he very much wants to, because he, you know, of the political underlying reality parties are in a death match against each other.
And he can't really do the things legally that he would want to do and of course hem him in, but he accepts these sorts of constraints.
So I don't know.
Elizabeth, I can say that he came from business and not from a corporation, but a private business, which is relevant here because in a private business, when you go tell someone to do something, if they don't do it, you fire them and that's the end of it.
I don't know if he was prepared for having the sort of institutional resistance which started, having allies like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, who I frankly think led the whole agenda straight.
And by the time he started to figure it out, I'm sure he has campaign advisors that are telling him now not to solve any issue because he and they are probably counting on leaving immigration unsolved for 2020, thinking that that will drive out the base if nothing else does, as well as the fear.
They'd be right about that.
Of course.
I think they would be right about it.
And that's the cynicism of it.
And unfortunately, that's how we have been stuck in this two-party paradigm forever where we basically are voting defensively.
And while we do that, the Republic is burning.
Oh, that's a fantastic answer, a prescient answer.
And in the meantime, of course, we see, this was so sickening to see this.
Pence, basically, the entire RNC brain trust was at the Christians United for Israel, Pence, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo meeting up with Netanyahu there, the Christians United for Israel, just the slavest devotion.
But, you know, it's so interesting talking about Christians, and Mike Pence says he is a basic, a fundamentalist Christian.
He was visiting what the media was calling these concentration camps because, you know, Republicans are the new Nazis and Democrats are the real racists.
And they keep throwing these terms about, but Mike Pence is the fake Christian because he was down there and, you know, didn't have horror at the fact that.
People who never read the Bible tell you what Christianity is.
That's a great place to leave it on this segment.
You're absolutely right.
I say that all the time.
These people who've never read the Bible never darken the church doorstep telling you what a real Christian is.
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Talking with former town manager Tom Kaczynski, endthecon.com.
We're breaking down where presidential politics stand here in the mid-summer of 2018.
We talked a little bit about Trump.
I think with Trump, I would just say I was still marginally supportive up until about December of last year when he shut down the government or appeared to have shut down the government.
I thought, you know, maybe this time he's really going to come through.
And it was just more smoke.
I mean, we've seen it again here now with the ICE raids.
It was going to be a million, then it was 10K, and then, you know, targeting cities that aren't even going to allow ICE in.
And it's just all a bunch of rhetoric and never much delivers.
And I think his support has certainly become broken down.
There's certainly not as much enthusiasm behind the president.
And because of all of this, and coupled with the Democrat graphic displacement in Florida and Texas, as they continue to go over the tipping point, all the Democrats would have to do is just let Joe Biden go in there and just coast on through.
But as Pat Buchanan wrote this week, Tom, it appears as though the Democrats are ceding the center to Trump.
And I'm going to read a couple of passages and then you respond.
So this is what's going on on the Democratic side of it.
Since the Democratic debates in June, the tide seems to have receded for the party and its presidential hopefuls, Buchanan writes.
In new polls, only Biden leads President Trump comfortably.
The other top-tier candidates, Senators Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, and Elizabeth Warren, are running even with Trump, a measurable drop.
In the meantime, a Washington Post poll found Trump's approval rating at an all-time high.
Apparently, the more the nation sees of the alternatives to Trump the Democrats have on offer, the better the Donald looks.
For Democrats, this is not good, not good at all.
Other problems have now arisen for the Democrats because of the issues that have come to the fore.
Race, radicalism, and the border.
None looks like a winning issue for the Democrats in November 2020.
The race surfaced, the race issue surfaced in the debate when Biden was called out by Harris for his professed friendships with segregationist senators and for that back in the day, of course, and for Joe's impassioned public resistance to court-ordered busing of blacks and whites in the 1970s.
Harris defended busing as a necessary remedy to segregation and added that as a little girl, she'd been a beneficiary.
Another issue came up in future debates.
The South Carolina primary, where 61% of the Democratic vote is African-American, is going to be reparations for slavery.
Several candidates have already endorsed a commission to study reparations.
Yet, a poll shows that Americans, by two-to-one margin, are opposed to paying for reparations.
Bottom line, if the 2020 campaign becomes a conversation about reparations for slavery and busing of white kids from the suburbs to inner city schools to achieve greater integration, the Democrats will be in a world of hurt.
Tom, your reaction to that.
Pat is right, like he usually is, in looking at this, that where the population is.
But there's a good reason why the Democrats are doing what they're doing, which is that they're looking down the line at where the demography is going to be and their party being a reflection of it.
It's kind of an interesting election because we have the Republicans stuck in the past and the Democrats are too far ahead in the future.
And it doesn't seem like anyone's really caught up in the moment of the present, recognizing that people want pragmatic solutions to the problems they have.
Now, with respect to what I think they have to end up doing, you know, they learned a lesson from Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, which is that they're going to pick a minority because minorities will not show up if they pick a white person.
And that's the new reality in the Democrat Party, which they may not like, but that is the reality of it.
And then therefore, when you look at who's out there and all these people who's competing, don't be surprised if it doesn't end up being like Kamala Harris or maybe Corey Booker.
I'd put my money on her against maybe Elizabeth Warren in the end, who's going to be competing for him.
Has always been a gap machine full of mistakes, and none of the Obama sort of praise he was hoping for has carried through to him.
And I think that he is sort of out of touch with where the activist face, of that is the media as well, is with that party.
Now, I think that it is a mistake in terms of the general election.
But the problem of American politics is you have to win the primary before you win the general.
And there is an engaged, angry, progressive base that is ready to act in the primary.
And that the people who would be coming out in the general might be a very different group of voters, but I don't think they're going to be active and exciting.
So there's a sort of a strange contradiction that happens that the more they drift away from what's electable, the more radical a choice they'll be willing to make for the primary.
So I think we're going to see things get worse on their side.
And I think we're going to see people rush to try to get further left, figuring that later on the media will carry water for them when they reconsider and change their opinions.
Very, very good answer.
Very good commentary and insight.
I just continue to fall back with regards to the Democrats, though, that Trump has done everything he could to blow it.
And the only thing that they had to do was let the Democrat grab.
I keep wanting to say Democratic because we're talking about the Democrats, but all they had to do is – So it's an election, and nobody can win, yet someone will.
I figure why not throw my hat in.
You know, you're never going to have a worse set of elections again.
Yeah, but really, both sides are seemingly making every mistake.
All that the Democrats would have to do is let the demographic nature of the country run its course and field a candidate that let me share some numbers with you, which I think are relevant to this.
I've been doing independent original research based on the census numbers and whatnot.
And I'll have a video up on Endicon next week with some of these numbers.
But just to give you a feel for what immigration is doing to this country, that in the same time that the white population, which we know votes 58% Republican, has gained 406,000 people or will between 2016 and 2020, Latinos have gained 1.7 million, blacks 420,000, and Asians, 1.46 million.
So before we go, Latinos vote about 65,000, 70% Democrat.
Asians vote about 70% Democrat, and we know blacks vote 90% Democrat.
So net population change who's dying off.
We're looking at older people, right?
What you find is older people are 85, 90% white.
They're the ones who are leaving.
So in the same time, we're going to gain 2.2 million white people.
We're adding 4.9 million Hispanics, 2.2 million blacks, and 1.9 million Asians of voting age.
So essentially, they are looking at this and the point that we're going to gain four times the amount of prospective voters as whites are.
And if we admit that whites are an implicit Republican party, or the Republican Party is implicitly white, what you become to realize is their strategy will fall.
But if they can ramp up the turnout, like Obama was able to do in 2008, now we are facing a very different sort of dynamic.
And the Republicans may be in huge trouble if they do not have someone who makes the voters passionate about getting out this.
We are now at a point in 2020 where 62.2% of the possible voters are going to be white.
This number is going down 2% every cycle.
I see all this, only so people understand.
Their crazy strategy isn't crazy.
It's premature.
And it's something that requires us to act much more aggressively.
The president needs to keep to this.
It is assumed that he is not.
Well, Tom, I think you're right about all of that.
And again, everything that we're discussing right now could already be moot.
If enough of these Puerto Ricans and the Mexicans and the Central Americans and what have you, if they have, and we know that so many of those people were displaced by recent hurricanes and they have come into Florida, we know that.
And we know that Trump is only won the state of Florida by just a few thousand votes.
You're talking about millions and millions of votes winning it by about 10,000.
That's right.
Yeah, because of the criminal justice reform.
So you've got all those felons that are going to be voting 10 to 1 for the Democrats.
So everything we're talking about right now could already be moot.
If Florida and Texas have already flipped, or if either of them have flipped, much less both, I mean, it's all over for Trump.
It's all over.
The Republicans will never compete for a national election again, and it's over.
When there will be an amnesty where 10 million new Americans will be created, and we will have to make a choice whether we choose liberty or democracy.
That is one hell of a line.
You are absolutely right.
So it may already be done.
But what I'm saying is, even if all of these new Puerto Ricans and all of these new Hispanic Democrat voters, because that's why the Democrats like, you know, well, they're anti-white, not much more than the Republicans, but a little bit more.
The Republicans aren't our friends either.
But they see this as a big voter registration drive, you know, the illegal aliens.
But it won't matter if Trump can up his share of the white vote.
And the way that he could possibly do that is if the Democrats just continue to be really radical with reparations and busing and all of this other stuff, maybe, maybe, maybe they could squeak out one more term.
But if the Democrats do anything other than just the most radical nonsense that they've been showcasing in the primaries, it's going to be very difficult for the Republicans to win.
And so that's what we've been talking about with Tom Kaczynski for the last couple of segments.
Where Trump stands right now, where the Democrats stand.
To add to that real fast is that Hillary Clinton was a historically flawed candidate, and Trump barely eked out a victory.
You know, people think he had this great white outpouring.
He only had 58% of the white vote.
So he basically won because minorities stayed home because they weren't depressed by her at all.
And I think people really need to be aware of these facts about who voted and why.
Just Tom, hold on right there.
Sorry to interrupt.
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Tom Kaczynski, endthecon.com, former town manager in Jackman, Maine, talking about Trump versus the Democrats.
And, of course, Tom is talking about running with a primary challenge to the president in the GOP field.
We're going to talk to him more about that this segment.
But a quick response to this.
Sam Bushman was talking to me in the commercial break, Tom, and he said his co-host on his show, Liberty Roundtable, Kurt Crosby, said that he thinks, and this is what Buchanan was talking about, ceding the center to Trump, that the Democrats are going so far to the radical left that it won't be able to make it back to the center in time for the general election.
And of course, we're saying, well, it may not matter if Demographic Destiny has already done its duty.
But he's saying that the Democrats are just going to be so far out there on the pro-death agenda, the open borders amnesty agenda, the climate wacko-ism, reparations, busing, and it all, that Trump, and the one thing Trump's good at is rhetoric.
And his rhetoric will be good in this election.
I mean, you may even begin to get enchanted by him again if you're a conservative white or anything other than a whacked out white.
And every now and then, it is true.
Trump says something that nobody else would say.
I will give him that.
That does inspire and uplift us, whether it's both people, good people on both sides in Charlottesville or standing up for somebody like Robert E. Lee, calling him a great American.
I mean, there are things that Trump says, not does necessarily, but says that no other candidate in the Republican Party would say.
Do you think it could be what Kirk Crosby thinks, that it could just end up being a landslide for Trump?
It won't be a landslide.
I mean, the electoral map is skewed in such a way that there will not be landslides for Republicans ever.
Again, could he eke out a victory?
Maybe.
I mean, he needs to vote in the, I mean, any Republican, right?
You need to get the upper Midwest, and you need to hold those southern states a little while longer.
So I think it's possible.
I mean, it's certainly the case that the radicalism of the left could prove so odious that he does manage to eke out a victory depending upon what events happen.
I don't want to discount that possibility.
I mean, politics is the artist possible.
Okay, now, with all that being said, we've handicapped where things stand right now.
And, of course, it's such a fluid thing.
I mean, this will change.
We could do this interview every week, and it would be totally different between now and later this year and certainly in the next year when things will become increasingly volatile with candidates falling off as the primaries get deeper and so on and so forth.
So when you're talking about presidential politics, it's got about a day's shelf life because it does change.
And what we're saying here tonight may even look silly by next week, depending on what happens.
But let's talk about you, Tom, now that we've assessed where the Democrats and the Republicans stand right now.
Let's talk about In the Con, the book, your website, and what you hope to accomplish by putting up a primary challenge.
Sure.
So the bottom line of what I'm doing is I'm giving people a real choice.
And I know people's first instinct is towards skepticism.
One of the things that I've learned in talking to many people since my dismissal is people don't believe in America.
People don't believe the future is going to be better than the past.
People have settled into a sort of defensive defeatism because we've watched for so long our country be transformed because of these cultural actors.
And what I am doing is stepping up to say that we have two choices in America.
We basically become hardcore nationalists.
That is to say, we put our people first and we use government to enact policies which benefit us.
And we take this country while we still can, or we watch it descend into a slong, low, sad descent into communism, which is what will happen when the inevitable demographic reality that came from Democratic malfeasance and Republican greed happens.
Now, I am a radical guy.
I am saying we should vote every person out who's in this Congress because I believe every one of them failed us.
And that sounds like it's too hard to deal with.
But if you consider the alternatives, which are that we let this country slide into something like Venezuela, or that we ultimately consider risking a civil war, which is what the Republican Party will be talking about in four to eight years when they realize they can't win the Electoral College ever again.
It's not crazy to get involved now.
And I recognize no one has ever won against a sitting incumbent president.
I am trying to do something that everyone thinks is impossible only because the alternatives are so much worse.
So we have to find the ability within ourselves to make a real difference and to change things.
My platform is aggressive.
I seek to fight corruption at every level.
I think America needs to leave the Middle East.
I think that our engagements in other countries are a waste of money.
We are over $20 trillion in debt and growing all the time.
The debt that we are increasing, that the Democrats will put through all their insane programs and that President Trump seems content to ignore will eventually destroy the economy of this country.
Inflation will outpace spending.
And what will happen perversely is the worse things get because government's getting bigger, the more people will demand government to do things.
And we stand perched on the precipice of losing something very dear.
So my campaign is serious and sober.
I'm not doing this because I'm well-funded.
And I'm not doing this because it's easy.
And I'm not doing it because I even really love doing it.
I'm doing it because I sat there writing all those books, seeing where my country was going, see where all the good people.
I wrote it because I was sick of the 200 million white Americans in this country being blamed for all sorts of things when they built a wonderful country.
And the only sin we created was allowing people to live here who were not grateful to us and who we did not integrate properly because we let guilt lead us astray, misplaced guilt.
So my campaign is about changing this country.
It's about ending the con, taking back our America.
And here's what I ask for help.
If you want help, let people know if every one of us convince just one other person a day that there is an alternative, I can win this thing.
I ask people to give me the old Sally Struthers treatment, a dollar a day to feed this country, you know, 30 bucks a month.
I don't want a lot of money.
I'm not accepting big checks.
I don't believe in it.
I just think we the people need to step up, take this thing back, and do so quick.
And I go on shows, and you can attest this, James, that you've heard me in public and everything.
I say what I think.
It's not politic, but it is truth.
And I'm choosing to believe in this 11th hour, the American people are willing to hear truth and act upon it rather than listen to lies from all the politicians and pick which one makes them happier.
Because if we don't, we're going to go to very bad places.
And I don't want that for this country.
I don't want that for my nieces and nephews.
We owe our children a better future, and it's time we stopped making excuses for why we can't give it to them.
That's why I'm running.
Well, I'll tell you what.
Being in a position of authority, as you have been, granted, town manager of Jackman, Maine may not be as powerful a seat as the one in the Oval Office, but unlike a lot of people who run like this, you have had some level of power before.
And I would say I want you to go as far as God wills, and I hope that that's very far.
But if nothing else, I think that it is important that Trump have some pressure from his right flank and that it is known to him that all of these people, all of the people in our community, the true America First community, that were supporting him to our own detriment.
My case in particular, being denounced by the president's campaign on numerous occasions, even though we were out there doing the best we could to support him in that race against Clinton.
So a lot of us put our necks out there and supported him.
Let me ask you a question.
James, does it ever bother you that he's just disloyal to everyone around him?
Like, that was the thing I couldn't get over.
These people, I mean, let's get real.
This is super basic.
This isn't even politics.
This is just human decency.
You would stand up for someone.
You've been a friend to me, for instance, because you know I stood up, and I would stand up for you.
I don't disown the political stuff.
Yes.
Lord, I've talked to every far right-wing person there is in America.
You have the right to talk to whomever you want, but Trump marches to their tune.
He doesn't show loyalty to our people.
He shows loyalty to the tribe.
There's no doubt about that.
But he doesn't show loyalty to his people.
And I just can't.
That is actually a great way to end this, something for the folks to ponder on as we're running out of time.
We'll certainly have you back on early and often as this thing continues.
But you're right.
And in fact, I have said it many, many times.
If people would ask me what is one quality or trait that I believe I have that is most important, it would be loyalty.
And I am big on loyalty.
And yeah, I mean, Trump is loyal only to those who are not loyal to him.
It would appear.
And it was certainly not, don't have his or America's best interests at heart.
But no, I mean, of course it bothers me.
But it's the same old thing that we've been faced with for complicated.
We need to make life simple.
People don't believe in politics because we make it about the game and we make it about the sport.
We make it about the system.
It needs to be a gut check.
Who do you trust to treat you right?
And if it isn't that guy, we need to vote out every single guy and girl until we get to people who do.
And if it's not me, that's fine.
But it needs to be someone who's honest to you.
Because so long as the American people allow politicians to lie to them and reward them for fear of what someone else will do, how the hell are we going to fix anything?
A great way to end this hour-long conversation with Tom Kaczynski.
And again, we would encourage you to go to endthecon.com.
But you're right.
I mean, loyalty is the one thing that I give, and it's the one thing that I respect and expect back.
And no, Trump does not have that loyalty.
I just talked it up to him being a Yankee.
No offense, Tom.
Well, let me tell you something.
We have people who actually fly the stars and burst, believe it or not, up here in Maine in sympathy with the fact of the states matter.
And I will say something that's very impolitic, but it's true.
I consider myself a citizen of Maine first and a citizen of the United States second.
Let's repeal the 17th Amendment and get our states right back.
May God bless you.
Amen.
Amen.
We can all agree with that.
Tom Kaczynski, you're a good man.
I am proud to call you a friend and I am certainly supportive of your efforts.