Feb. 2, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, welcome back, everybody, to the second hour of tonight's live show, February 2nd, 2019.
Our featured guest tonight is former town manager Tom Kaczynski.
He's returning to help us survey the current political landscape.
And first, well, let me just welcome Tom back to the show and get that out of the way.
Tom, thank you.
How are you?
I'm doing great, James.
Thanks for having me on.
It's always a pleasure.
Well, you're most welcome.
And you do mention the fact that it is always a pleasure.
It is always a pleasure for us, to be sure.
And we have had that pleasure now five times.
I actually went back and counted because it seemed as though it was right around this time last year that we first came to know you and know about you.
And indeed, I went back and did a little research.
And it was the week of January 21st, really January 21st through the 24th, where you were featured prominently in the Washington Post and on Fox News and really on broadcasts and newspapers throughout the country and around the world for your very courageous and heroic stand in the face of pressure.
And it was then a couple of weeks after that, on February the 17th of 2018, that you made your first appearance on TPC.
Of course, now you have made five.
This is your sixth.
So we have got to know you pretty well over the course of the last year.
And you were, of course, on our end of the year Bonanza, the last broadcast of December.
And that was a very fun show.
So we've got to know you pretty well, Tom.
And of course, it's because of that reason that we like having you on so much.
You always have just such clear, concise, and comprehensive analysis of any given issue.
But for the benefit of those who would just like to be reminded, because you've been on so many times, but it was really just that first appearance back in February that we really focused heavily on your story.
Take us back to what was going on in your life one year ago this week.
Yeah, I mean, at this point a year ago, I was wondering what I was going to do with my life, to be honest.
I had been working as a town manager, which if you want to think of it that way, is the New England equivalent of an appointed mayor.
And I ended up getting in trouble for some comments I had made on social media questioning Islam's connection to Western civilization and that I had taken a generally pro-white perspective on things, not being prejudicial against anyone else, but I happened to live in a town that was 99% white and I happened to speak out in favor of white people.
So the people end up a story against me, not too unlike what they did to those court hits down in Covington, down in Kentucky.
And they came after me and they came after the town and they ultimately put enough pressure on there where they were encouraged to terminate my contract.
So with that, one career ended, but another career has begun.
And since then, I've written three books now, I believe, and I've been doing a lot of activism and appearing on a number of shows, providing commentary, and maybe getting ready to get back into politics again here in the not-too-distant future.
But definitely have enjoyed that, met some interesting people, yourself included, that enjoyed our meeting in Tennessee this year and continue speaking the message, which is that we can't let this anti-white agenda be pushed against us, where we are basically being depersoned.
And I think it's very important people speak to that.
And I'm very happy and proud that I get the opportunity to do that now on a daily basis.
Well, you have certainly become who you are, as I think was one of the mantras in our circles some years ago.
But in doing so, you set a fantastic example for the rest of us to follow.
I know the staff and crew here of TP Sue who have been through so much in the public forum over the course of our 15 years on the radio.
We certainly have an affinity for other people who can relate to that experience.
And certainly that is an experience that you have come through.
It tempered you.
It did not break you.
And take us into the mindset for those who haven't had such an experience.
Take us through the mindset of what goes through your mind in those dark hours and what led you to remain firm and steadfast.
Well, I think one thing that helped me specifically was my faith.
I'm a Christian, and I know that sometimes doing the right thing isn't an easy thing, and sometimes you just need to stand on principle.
But the hardest part, I think, is that the people who you think were your friends and who you think were there to support you, who maybe even agreed with you privately about certain things, abandon you.
And the people who, the people who you didn't know, I mean, you sort of expect that, the virtue signaling that comes.
But the hard part is people who you thought genuinely cared will care more about opinions of strangers than what you actually think and who you actually are.
And I am grateful for the experience because I learned who my friends were and I learned who were not my friends.
And the same is true for my wife.
You know, we received a number of very hateful comments, threats, violent threats included.
But we also received hundreds of letters.
And over the course of this year, I can say we received thousands of letters and emails and words of support from people who respect the fact that there is who are willing to stand up.
So what it kind of is like is it's like a hurricane.
It blows in fast.
It blows in hard.
But if you know what to cling to, the storm passes over.
But unfortunately, in our media-driven instant gratification culture, people don't know how to hold on until the storm has passed.
And if you can just wait a week, usually, the news cycle moves so fast that it's gone.
But that is what we face.
We face these artificially constructed tsunamis that are designed to blow away all of our people.
And if we just stand on what we believe to be correct, what we find is that we're not alone.
And we find that we have friends.
And we might lose some friends who weren't genuinely with us, but we gain new friends like I have with you and with a number of the other excellent people in this movement.
Well, and we are stronger because of that.
So I can't say selfishly that I'm glad that this happened to you.
But as it turned out, I am glad that we have begun collaboration.
I'm fantastic here.
Well, I'm glad to know you.
And I don't think I would know you if it had not been for all of that.
And again, the only reason we're bringing that up, folks, is because, well, first of all, it is a tremendous story that deserves to be retold.
Anytime a man sets an example for others to follow, that man is a leader.
And that is a story that provides comfort for others.
And again, that was happening.
That was taking place in real time a year ago this week.
Tom was in all the headlines.
And, of course, he landed on TPC a few days later.
I didn't get a chance to share when that happened was that they blocked all the comments out in the articles.
And it was interesting.
Fox News didn't for a little while.
And I went through and I read.
There were 2,000 comments on there, give or take.
And about 90% of them were positive.
So even though the media, the editors, told the same exact story, and you can witness this of all sorts of things today, whenever there's something that is being chined up as a huge controversy, they block the comments because the people don't want what is being given to them.
And I think it's a really important point that when you really begin to understand this and you can't understand if we go through it, you see 30 different newspapers reporting stories against you, all with the exact same headline, and you realize it's just one story from one group of people designed to silence us.
And it's amazing to see the theatrics from behind the scenes and to recognize that they're just playing games with people's lives.
And I was fortunate enough to survive because I'm a passingly decent writer and a good speaker.
But others are destroyed by this and it isn't right.
Well, Tom, I'll tell you two things I agree with 100% having been through it.
And that is, yes, you think it's going to last forever when you're in the eye of that media storm, but if you can just hold on, it becomes certainly easier to hang on after you've gone through it dozens of times.
But even in that first instance, if you hang on, it does pass and you are alive.
They can't take your integrity from you unless you offer it to them.
Don't ever do it.
You didn't do it.
That's why you're here.
We'll be right back.
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I'd advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.
The press has created a rigged system.
They even want to try and rig the election.
Well, I tell you what, it helps in Ohio that we got Democrats in charge of the machines.
And poisoned the mind of so many of our voters.
At the polling booth, where so many cities are corrupt and voter fraud is all too common.
And then they say, oh, there's no voter fraud in our country.
I come from Chicago.
So I want to be honest.
It's not as if it's just Republicans who have monkeyed around with elections in the past.
Sometimes Democrats have to.
You know, whenever people are in power, they have this tendency to try to tilt things in their direction.
There's no voter fraud.
You start whining before the game's even over.
Whenever things are going badly for you and you lose, you start blaming somebody else, then you don't have what it takes to be in this job.
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All right, so after spending that first segment, kind of just giving a very quick review.
Not that you needed one, but I like to tell a good story twice.
And this is the story of Tom Kaczynski and showing us how men are supposed to behave when the heat comes down on them.
This is how a man is supposed to behave.
We need to make white men manly again.
But what we really brought you on tonight for, Tom, of course, is to continue our series of interviews with you.
And you're in the regular rotation now, of course.
We want to tap into your expertise and wisdom and help you, or rather have you help us survey the current political landscape.
So Keith Alexander is in with me tonight.
He was co-hosting with me the first hour.
He's going to participate in the remainder of this hour's interview with you.
But let's just go straight into current events, Tom.
Nancy Pelosi, 80-year-old woman, is going to allow the president now to give his state of the union.
Your reaction to that and just the whole chain of events over the course of the last month with the shutdown of the border, where Trump stands now, where he may go over the course of the next couple of weeks.
Well, ColorMe is skeptic about the way things are going.
I was among the crowd who thought Trump should have declared a national emergency over the border.
You can't say border security is a crisis, watch caravans of 10,000-plus people coming across the border, and then negotiate like it's business as usual.
I think that sort of makes it seem illegitimate that it is a real crisis.
And I think it was utterly distasteful for Pelosi to basically use the state of the union as a sort of tool to push Trump in a certain direction.
But this is what we're going to see for the next two years.
We understand we're coming into a primary cycle.
The left is going to be completely intransigent.
And I think Trump, you know, I think Trump is probably going to get advised that he should try to tack to the center specifically because of how far left the other side is.
But the problem is the media and the left itself will not allow him to do that.
And I think Trump is in real danger of losing his base.
I mean, when I think of Republican voters, I think of three issues.
I think of guns and the bump stock ban was not liked.
I think of abortion.
And I know that funding Planned Parenthood isn't a great thing considering, you know, basically that they sanctioned fans aside.
And I think about the border.
And, you know, he was promising to build a wall.
And the only wall that I've seen on the news is the one around Roger Stone that they were assaulting.
You know, it's just crazy.
But he has no control over the government.
He needs to get control of it or we're done.
Tom, this is Keith Alexander.
Can you hear me?
Yes, sir.
I hear you loud and clear.
Okay.
I think that there's no way that Trump is going to be able to survive unless he somehow has friends or some friendly group by a news network.
There are just too many people that rely solely on network news and newspapers and things like this for their information about current events.
And, you know, there's no way that you can continue to not deliver on your primary Points in your platform when you were running for president and not have it come back to bite you.
You know, we've seen people like Russ Limbaugh and Ann Coulter basically the bloom is off the road as far as they're concerned with Trump now.
And I think more and more people are finding that.
You know, what is the and what's the reason for this inertia in Trump?
Is it because he's a Northeasterner?
Is it because he is a Manhattanite?
Is it because he has two fifth columnists within his own household, Jared Kushner and his daughter Ivanka?
Does he just think that there's nobody in flyover country that's capable of discharging the duties of one of these key positions in the government?
You know, he'll fire Jeff Sessions, but Rod Rosenstein is alive and well within his administration.
It's a great question, Keith.
And I agree with all of the points that you made.
I think one problem Trump has, beyond the regionalism, because I assure you there are many decisive Yankees, is that he looks at government like a business, and he looks at government like someone who ran his own company, not a CEO of a corporation that's publicly held, but privately held, where you get in a lifetime habit of people following your orders and doing what you want.
And Trump, I think, assumes that when he took control of the government, that the government would follow his ideas and ideology, whereas we've seen quite clearly the deep state has its own agenda and that it has been working actively against him through much of the Justice Department.
And I feel like the critical mistake he made and from which he's never recovered was, in fact, never getting control over those investigations.
You know, two of the three big promises that he made during the campaign, which people still want, were to drain the swamp and to lock her up.
And as far as I'm aware, no investigation has been done about any of the misdeeds of the Clinton Foundation or any of the things on the left, nor have we seen any efforts at draining the swamp where he has brought in the wrong staff.
And I know a lot of Trump apologists like to say, well, you know, he had the best people who were available, but any executive, just like I was, was responsible for their staff and for keeping or firing their people.
And if Trump needs to keep firing people until he gets to the point where someone will do his policy, I think the people who elected him would be very happy with that.
Since he seems unwilling to do that, and since he seems to be willing to let the fourth branch of government, as I called it in my book, The Coming Civil War, the permanent bureaucracy run the government, we're basically getting the same policies we got during Obama or during Bush.
And I think that's really unfortunate because I see an energized left and a dispassionate right.
And I think Trump, if he wants to save it, is really going to have to step up and show something remarkable.
And frankly, I don't think he has it in him.
Well, Tom, I think that people in so-called flyover country, of course, we're right in the heart of it here in Memphis, feel totally disenfranchised by the federal government.
They thought that Trump was going to be the breath of fresh air that basically attended to their welfare.
We're like the American colonists felt towards the British Empire when they seceded from that.
We're like the Southerners when they felt like they were colonists and seceded from the national government.
There doesn't seem to be any way that we can get a legitimate voice in the government.
And it's like it's a subject that nobody wants to even talk about.
But, you know, there is, you know, he keeps, you know, what's the thing?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
That's apparently what Trump is doing.
Yeah, Einstein said that.
Somebody said it.
But nonetheless, it certainly seems to apply in this situation.
And it takes me to another bigger question, which you and I both have some expertise in.
I ran for government, a specific office that I concluded had more sovereignty packed into it than anything else.
I was doxxed as being a right-winger.
And despite that, I got 38% of the vote when it came down.
But you had a position.
You got doxxed and outed as a right-winger.
They wanted to make you walk the plank.
They told me that if I had won in the days right before the election, that if I did win the post, they weren't going to seat me.
They were going to do all these things.
Can we obtain political power?
Is that a realistic goal?
And if so, and if we do, how are we going to go about it?
So that is a very challenging and pertinent question, but my thought is that we need to organize as many people as we can, wherever we can, who understand what's happening in this country, who share the understanding that what is being done by certainly the left, but not just the left.
A lot of the institutional Republican Party and the institutional elites in D.C. is against the popular interest of the American people and all citizens of this country, and to build a national effort on that basis to get as large and as vocal as possible so we can understand who we have and if we have enough people to work towards taking this back.
It would be great if that could be done through a political electoral majority, but America wasn't founded that way and it might not stay that way.
This is an enthralling conversation.
I want to reiterate a question that Keith just asked as a point of emphasis when we come back.
We're still going to talk to Tom about what he sees coming up in the Democratic primary.
The presidential election cycle is now back upon us.
So much more with the one and only Tom Kaczynski coming your way when TPC returns.
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All right, Tom Kaczynski.
Tom Kaczynski tells the everyman story of what's happening in history and politics today.
Controversial, yet accessible.
His books, and we're going to talk about his books in a moment too, and his website and the contact information, of course.
But his books cover the questions people whisper about but are not allowed to discuss openly.
Identity politics, civil strife, the darker side of politics, control, and finance are common themes.
After successfully working in both the public and private sector as a civil servant, Tom was fired without cause from his post of town manager in Jackman, Maine in a story that made national headlines for his assertions that Islam is not compatible with Western civilization and that whites deserve the same rights and considerations as all other people.
With the end of that career, Tom now offers his unique insight and deep knowledge into topics of interest to all Americans.
And of course, that is what he is doing right now.
But Tom, I want to pivot back very quickly because there's so much more I want to cover with you.
And we're already now in the second half of this interview.
But Keith brought up something that I think is profound.
It's something that we mentioned in passing just a week or two ago on this show.
But we named some of the candidates that we know of.
Here you are, Tom Kaczynski, who was, in fact, in office as town manager, what they call manager in Maine folks.
That would be mayor to the rest of us.
So there you were already in office, but at the first even hint of sensible ideas, they made sure to remove you.
Here was Keith, who it was said, if he won the Republican primary, the Republican Party itself said they were going to sue to make sure that the will of the voters did not stand and that he would not be seated in the seat that he was running for.
And even Derek Black won a small city council seat or a town council seat in West Palm Beach years ago before he lost his mind.
And they did, in fact, bar him from being seated.
So here are three different men, three different examples.
Derek Black won his seat, duly elected by the voters, and he wasn't seated.
Keith Alexander, they said, if he won the primary, he ended up getting about 40% of the vote.
But if he won, they were not going to seat him.
You, you were already in office and they removed you.
So, if you remove the ability for people to elect people who share their interests and you take away the right of people to elect their representatives by saying, hey, this guy, these guys are not in with the times of political correctness.
And it doesn't matter who you vote for.
This is what they're saying to the voters.
That's what they're saying about Trump, basically.
They're doing just like with Nixon, Steve King.
You Yahoos out in flyover country can elect these people, but you can't make them stick.
We know all the secret ins and outs necessary to get rid of them.
They're going to bury you in laws.
Anyway, we're going to have a Watergate replay, obviously.
A long way to get to a short question, but if you take away the right of the people to elect their own representatives, what choice do you leave them with, Tom?
And I think that's a legit question to ask because it is happening before our very eyes.
Well, you know, there was an old saying I used to hear, you know, when I was younger about what happened in this situation, which is you start with the soapbox, right?
And then you go to the ballot box.
And when you're not allowed that, you go to the jury box.
And now we're stuck depending on the courts and we see how they're used against us.
And then the last one's the ammo box.
And if you don't allow the legitimate expression of popular sovereignty from people, at that point, government itself is illegitimate.
And your choice is either to submit to totalitarian rule or don't.
And what don't means can take a lot of different forms.
But I think it's a good question.
I think, though, to paint a slightly rosier view on it than the third war for independence in the United States, I think what we could do is I'm imagining and working toward a three-step plan in this coming year.
And it's a pretty simple one.
Number one is we should take over the GOP.
The Republican Party that exists today is a mere shadow of itself.
And Trump showed that in the fact that he was able to bowl through it with a simple nationalist message.
Yes, the donors like to have a certain global perspective on things, but the donors aren't the ones who vote.
We can take over this party as surely as the radical left has taken over the Democrats, but we can do so for common sense ideals based upon what the founders spoke about and based upon respect for the native-born population of our land.
If we do that and we run a slow candidate, we will force this party to the right.
Then we can fight the Democrats with a nationalist party against a group of people who frankly care about illegals more than they do American citizens and force that choice.
So often we see Republicans go out because they're afraid of the media and say, we need to go ahead and compromise.
We need to meet in the middle.
And the only compromise that's ever been made with the left is closer and closer to their position since at least the 1960s.
So what I argue is we should go for polarization at every opportunity, work with everyone on the right wherever we can, and go ahead and pick the battle now.
Because the ugly truth, and this is what my next book is going to be about.
It's not published yet, but it's going to be called Loyal Revolutionary.
It goes into exhaustive detail about how basically every four years, the demographics of America get 3% more Democratic because two-thirds of Hispanic, three-quarters of Asian, and nine-tenths of African Americans are always going to vote left.
And they're being brought in.
Their birth rates are faster.
So we need to act and we need to act now.
And to tell you the truth, I think Trump needs to be primary.
I absolutely believe it.
We need someone who's going to step up.
I am grateful that he stood against Hillary Clinton.
I'm grateful that he moved the conversation forward, but he's not providing the leadership we need right now.
And we do not have time if he's a nice guy or a good guy to wait.
This is Keith, Tom.
I agree with virtually everything you're saying here, but I also think that our ideas have been made so toxic by the left, who is in control of all of the institutions.
The cultural Marxist long march through the institutions has been a success.
And they got into those positions by stealth.
They didn't come out and say, look, I'm a radical.
Put me on the faculty of Harvard or whatnot.
They dissembled.
They hid their light under a bushel.
They got into positions.
And once they reached critical mass in an organization, they just transformed it and refused to hire or promote anybody that didn't think like them so that their control was consolidated.
Now, are we going to have to do that?
Are we going to be able to be, see, being conservatives and being good people, we want to be forthright.
We want to come out and say, this is exactly how I am, and this is this, that, and the other.
I don't see us getting anywhere that way.
That's, whoa.
I like your reaction to that.
And we've seen it even with Steve King.
Sure.
Even with Steve King and with the president, you know, they're going to try to remove them.
And Steve King should have stood his ground and the Republican Party should have supported him.
But to answer Keith's question, even if we wanted to do the long march, we can't use the same tactics they did because A, we don't have time and B, we don't have the temperament.
What we need to do is start calling out their lies.
And we have a small window of opportunity, in my opinion, where we can go ahead and present truth and watch how radical the leftist message is and make them keep talking.
Every time Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez talks, another Republican voter is made.
So let's go ahead and use their shoebris against them and get that silent majority.
They might not be talking, but they might be getting ready for a much bigger political fight.
The coalition that elected Trump still exists and still can win elections.
It needs candidates who support the ideas that got Trump elected as the candidate, but not the president we've had.
I think that is our one chance.
And then when we get there, the choice we're going to have to make, and this is an ugly one, but it's the truth of it, is if we want to preserve our values, our heritage, and our history, democracy itself is going to have to be brought into question because we have now over 40 million American citizens who are not born in this country.
They're voting for something different.
They want to make this country into the places like from.
And if we don't work to restrain them in some meaningful way by changing things about who is in this country and who's here and who we bring in, we cannot survive.
And what frustrates me as an issue more than anything else with the Republicans is how they argue against illegal immigration, but for legal immigration.
Legal immigration is what is taking all the key states away from this country.
It took away California, Arizona is going, then Texas.
And it won't be long before they're on the Mississippi River coming to Memphis.
Well, look, it's what they're doing is, you know, incrementalism.
That's how they work.
I really think that we're going to have to, you know, they are trying to transform the electorate.
And of course, the big taboo topic is race.
Third world immigration is what's going to, either legal or illegal, is what's going to do us in.
And what these immigrants want, they do not want to become Americans.
They want to recreate their own societies and nations under more prosperous circumstances over here.
And they don't give us any credit for the validity of ideas having created the nation that we have just for some unknown capricious reason.
They think that we've become prosperous and they haven't.
And they need to understand that none of these people, the idea of small government just doesn't resonate with them at all.
They think that a government that doesn't do something for you is the very definition of a bad government.
We got one more segment with Tom Kaczynski.
We're going to get all of his contact information, let you know how you can support his work, his organization, by his books.
But first, we're going to talk to Tom about what he sees coming in the days ahead in the Democratic primary and with the State of the Union address.
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All right, Tom Kaczynski, our guest.
It's another hour going by far too quickly with Tom.
But Tom, I want you to look into your oracle here and tell me what you see forthcoming in what promises to be.
I mean, if you thought 2016 was vitriolic between Trump and the others in the Republican field and Hillary and Bernie with the candidates that are coming out now and announcing their intentions to run in the Democratic primary, you are going to see something I think the likes of which we've never seen.
And Sam Bushman was just telling me, this is incredible.
Stacey Abrams, the failed candidate for governor of Georgia, is the Democratic choice to offer the response to Trump's State of the Union address that you've got this radical nobody that all of a sudden, it just goes to show how extreme the Democrats are becoming.
They're going to make the French Revolution look like a Sunday regatta.
So what do you see as this continues?
Let's start with the State of the Union, Tom.
Stacey Abrams' potential response to it.
What's Trump going to say?
What do you think she might say?
The Democratic primary, what that's going to be like, and then this whole thing as it starts all over again.
Well, as regards the state of the union, Trump is going to have to try to make it sound like he's looking to work together and he's going to talk about border security.
And he'll probably end up floating that idea again, which is what seems to be talked about as a compromise for DACA for the wall, or at least to get the wall started.
I think he made a huge strategic, excuse me, I should say, tactical mistake in terms of agreeing to reopen the government.
But I understand why that happened because the Republican elected officials had no stomach to stand against the media, and they usually don't.
And I suspect that what will happen with Ms. Abrams, or Mrs. Abrams, I don't know if she cares or not, is she will get up there and give a response that basically equates to muffles, and therefore everything Trump says is bad.
I'm being a little sarcastic, but only slightly, because at this point, all the left talks about is the import and validity of their feelings in making policy, which is the sort of insanity you'd expect from radical egalitarians.
After that, I expect we're going to see a total gridlock, death by investigations.
I don't think we'll see impeachment move forward because they don't want to create a situation where Trump can be painted as a sympathetic figure, but rather the drip, trip, trip of Chinese launder towards her in terms of indictment in this Mueller thing, which will never be resolved.
And we're going to see a very radical 2020 Democratic primary.
But I made a prediction about six months ago that we were going to see a work and Harris as two finalists on the Democratic side.
And I think whoever kind of pushes Biden out first and gets his donor support will be the one who gets the financing needed to kind of win that deal.
And then the thing that scares me about 2020 is there's a great mass of people out there who just want politics to go away.
And the media will present whichever Democrat emerges as in ridiculously moderate voice.
And they won't put pressure on the same way because they're the ones who make Trump seem so radical.
And they'll create this false narrative that without Trump there, everyone will get along, just like they sort of did during Obama, even though he was the most radical president in memory.
Tom Keith Alexander here, you know, Trump, if he hasn't learned yet that there is nothing to be gained by trying to be conciliatory and cooperative with the Democrats, the guy is beyond help.
Why doesn't he just do what the Democrats did under Obama and start ruling by executive order?
And why doesn't he just basically do like Andrew Jackson did when the U.S. Supreme Court found the Indian Removal Act to be unconstitutional?
Jackson's reply was, Mr. Marshall, meaning John Marshall, then the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, has made his decision.
Now let him enforce it.
And basically, you know, otherwise, he's either going to do nothing, he's going to allow himself to be checkmated at every turn, or he's going to provoke, you know, whatever it takes to get him out of office.
But either way, you know, he doesn't have the option of cooperation.
Cooperation is, you know, these people would not, they would rather drink arsenic than to compromise with him in any sense.
I agree with you, Keith.
I think that's absolutely the truth of it.
And I think Trump would do well to follow your advice and follow in old Hickory's footsteps.
His only chance is to go ahead and rule by fiat and to move very aggressively against the forces that are acting against him, including the deep state.
He should have fired Rosenstein and gotten rid of Mueller during the first year of his administration.
And at this point, I mean, the idea that you can't fire him because the Congress will be that of dead is sort of absurd because how much worse can they behave without having political consequences?
Well, the Congress, the Congress has basically intentionally, since the Brown versus Board of Education decision, made itself irrelevant.
They don't want to be responsible for any of these unpopular changes, but a lot of their power has been absorbed either by the judiciary, the federal judiciary, or even more so, the bureaucracy.
I remember at the first of Trump's administration, he said that for every new regulation passed by for the bureaucracy, they would have to repeal two regulations.
Now, I haven't heard anything else on that topic since then.
I don't think that has been going on.
The bureaucracy is really the true deep state.
Is there a way to govern by executive order if the bureaucracy is dead set against you?
Yes, but you better be friendly with the military.
I mean, this is a place we haven't been historically in American history, but I think it's worth noting we're about 250 years into this experiment.
That's when democracies and republics tend to fall.
I think people hold on.
Things are going to go down a path.
Honestly, I compare it to what Rome looked like in the first century A.D. You know, we got the tribunes going out there promising everything to the people.
We have generals out there made to be heroes, and the people are looking for leadership, not excuses.
And there was an interesting study I saw that said that amongst Democrats, over 90% of them would have supported a third term for Obama.
But interestingly, Republicans said the first same thing about Trump after his first year for their guy.
So this idea that we can continue to go back and forth between two contesting, competing ideas that have nothing in common is just unsustainable.
And sooner or later, someone is going to act to change that.
And if the right doesn't act sooner, they won't have the ability to do so later.
So that's the challenge.
And whether people want to step up to that or not, that will be a matter of historical record.
Nonetheless, I agree.
I love your reference to ancient Rome.
I think it was Septimus Severus or one of these significant Roman politicians that told his sons on his deathbed, don't worry about the rest of them.
He said, just make sure that the army is fed and paid.
So that seems to be what you're advising, too.
I think, and then, you know, I remember Obama being in there.
He got rid of all those generals and admirals.
And then, you know, we had transgenders in the military and all this stuff.
And one of the only silver lining I can imagine to Trump buying time is I would hope that the officer corps of the military is becoming more aligned with the rank and file who are good patriotic citizens.
Well, Tom, that being said, and like I said, an hour with you goes by in the blink of an eye or of an ear, if you can use that for radio.
Anyway, let's get all that contact information, folks.
If you're intrigued by what you've heard from Tom Kaczynski, you certainly should be, as we always are.
Let's let you know how you can support his work, his organization, by his books.
Tom, remind us of the most recent one and all of that contact info.
Thanks, James.
After Trump is my most recent book, it talks about how nationalism can work in America.
It's a good book that reconciles civic and ethnic nationalism.
They're two parts of the same equation where you have to look out for your people.
Amazon is the easiest, quickest way to buy it, but if you send me an email at Tom at nationalright.us, you can find it just as easily there.
Nationalright.us is my website.
It is down right now because we're doing some upgrades to it, but it will be back up soon.
If you like talking on social media at gap.com, you can look up at Tom Kaczynski.
I am very easy to interact with or send me an email.
Just want to say thank you to everyone who purchases the books.
You help support me, my wife, the activism that I do.
We'll have a new book out in February called Loyal Revolutionary, an audio book if someone has to say it.
And like I said, I've been in the fight for a while, so I'm going to keep that up.
I enjoy talking with you, James.
We'll be here fighting to make the cesspool a little bit less murky, hopefully.
Hey, I'm sure we will.
And I've got some ideas on how you and I can collaborate even further.
I mean, obviously, more interviews as this year continues to roll on, but I've got some other ideas above and beyond that.
And I got to tell you, I'm very proud of myself.
I don't mind saying this on the public airwaves.
After five appearances, now his sixth on the radio, today was the first day I ever spelled his name right without having to look it up.
So if you need that spelling, Jackman, Maine, not Jackson, Maine.
Although, I do love old Hickory so much that I forgive you for those small faux pods.
Well, we got Jackson, Tennessee, Jackson, Mississippi, and Jackman, Maine.
But yeah, I got the name.
We've got Jackwagging government.
But yeah, I got, if anybody else out there may have a trouble spelling Kaczynski, all you got to do is go to our website and you've got the spelling.
Here in the South, we specialize in one-syllable names.
Maybe two.
But anyway.
Tom everywhere.
It's easier.
Definitely.
My name is a real bear.
But, you know, we need some Polish thoughts.
When you look at this, that the collabs are doing in Eastern Europe.
We need more of that mentality here in America.
Let's take our country back.
Hey, hey, amen.
I tell you what, it's the Eastern European people that are even in this current day and age, even as we speak right now on the radio.
Even 16th century, King John Sobieski against some Ottomans.