Sept. 29, 2018 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome back to the second hour of tonight's live broadcast of TPC, ladies and gentlemen.
It is Saturday evening.
How did it almost become October, the 29th of September it is, and we're going to get off the Kavanaugh situation and get on with Tom Kaczynski.
Tom is the founder of the National Right and published author of two novels.
He gained national attention earlier this year for his wrongful dismissal from public office.
He was the town manager of Jackman, Maine, for speaking against political correctness.
He has since emerged as an advocate for Western civilization and white identity.
His books, including the newly released The Coming Civil War, are available at nationalright.us, nationalright.us, as well as through Amazon.
So welcome back to the show, Tom Kaczynski.
Tom, how are you?
I'm doing well, James.
Thanks for bringing me on the cesspool tonight.
Well, it's always great to have you on.
How many appearances is this for you?
If my count is accurate, and I may be wrong, so feel free to correct me.
I believe this is number four this year for you.
I think you're right.
We had one brief one after you and I had a chance to talk at the conference.
So that would be four.
I think you're correct.
So the very first one occurred, of course, earlier this year, way earlier this year, when you were in the middle of the midst of a national media firestorm for not hating yourself while also being the town manager of Jackman, Maine.
And so that made global headlines.
And we had you on in the wake of that to tell your story.
And then, as you mentioned, we were there at the Nationalist Solutions Conference in Tennessee back earlier this summer.
And then I would direct everyone's attention to our broadcast archives, the show dated July the 14th.
That is an interview that really stood out to me, Tom, because that was an interview during which you really gave the audience a look at your opinions on the issues across the spectrum.
That was an interview that wasn't having you on to tell your story.
It wasn't to have you on to talk about an event that we were both at.
It was to have you on to have you answer questions about a wide variety of subjects.
And it really has stood out to me amongst all the interviews that we've done this year.
Folks, go back to the broadcast archives.
The show dated July 14th of this year.
Tom was on.
It was a fantastic hour of radio.
Jesse Lee Peterson also appeared on that particular broadcast.
That was a good show from start to finish.
So anyway, we're back tonight to talk about your new book.
Now, Tom, time does fly and the weeks and the months and the years do blur, but I listened to an interview that you gave.
And I apologize for not remembering the name of the show that you were on, but it was an absolutely riveting interview about your book, The Coming Civil War.
Tell us about what the book's about.
Sure.
So The Coming Civil War is a description of what we're facing in America today.
And the reality is, as the Kavanaugh hearings amply demonstrate, that we've already slunk into a cultural civil war.
And I say that because we now have two divergent visions of America that broken down to their simplest means exist between people who think America was a very good idea and that our heritage and our identity deserves to be preserved and built into something better for the future, and people who think America was a catastrophe and a wicked place and who are trying to unmake everything this country was about.
And the book goes into exhaustive detail about all the ways in which we are now stuck in a fight to define what truth is going to be for our people.
And you can't have a society exist very long if you don't agree on a common culture, that is a common set of values, of truth, of righteousness, of beauty, and all of these other items.
So the book goes into the institutions that are going to shape this, some different ways this situation could play out.
And specifically, it gets into four different, let's call them trigger points that could potentially lead this sort of cold cultural conflict to ramp up into something hot at a very quick and unpredictable pace.
Well, that's quite well said.
And I know that we say this a lot on the show.
And it's worth repeating because it is an obvious point, but it is one that you don't get many other places.
So for the regular listeners, indulge me as I repeat this.
But of course, we always welcome new listeners each and every show.
But when you have people with different cultures and different values and different heroes and different languages and different faiths and different everything occupying the same living space, what is going to come of that can be summed up in one word, and that is conflict.
And certainly we have had conflict, and we're at more odds now racially and culturally and sexually in this day and age, in the age of tolerance and diversity, so-called, we are more at odds with one another than we were at any point, I think, in the history of this American nation.
And I don't think it's going to get any better.
In fact, it is getting worse each and every year.
And so we talk about perhaps this coming civil war.
Now, of course, Tom, that's not something that you would like to see happen, but it is something that if we're thinking rationally and realistically, why is America going to be absolved from the fate of so many nations before us that made this folly of incorporating so much diversity and multiculturalism into one geographical area?
The days ahead could be much worse than even we experience now.
Is that right?
Yes, I agree with that.
And obviously, nobody wants to envision the violence that would emerge if we actually got into a hot war.
However, I think that by talking about it intelligently and the reasons that are leading to that potential outcome, we open the door to better possibilities.
And one of the things I'm particularly proud of with this particular book is that it goes into six different scenarios of how things can play out.
And if you'll indulge me for a moment, I'll share those with the listeners because I think it's useful.
And I hate to say this, but the most likely outcome, which I refer to in the book as submission, is if people just sit on the sidelines and do nothing except kind of go along with the ping-pong politics we've had for the last 50 years where the left takes power for a while and the right takes power for a while.
The nature of the changing demographics in America is such that we will see the Southwest and then maybe even states in the South begin to slip into the blue brackets in such a way where they will have an actionable majority that they can rewrite the Constitution, change laws however they want, and functionally it will be the end of the right or, you know, if you want to think of it, the white majority's ability to compete against them.
I don't say this because it brings me any joy, but rather because of the urgency of the situation.
And it kind of leads to the second point, which I call in the book militarization, but maybe I should describe it a little more broadly, which is to say that the right, upon reaching an actionable majority, is going to have to do things with government that it has not been willing to do in the past because of respect of liberty, respect for the individual, because realistically, the left controls most of the major areas of cultural transmission.
You know, shows like the Political Cesspool and My National Right do heroic work in trying to oppose that.
But given all the struggles we have with platforms and processors and coverage, we have to concede that, you know, the main culture is not under our control.
Hold on right there, my friend.
We got to take a break, but don't worry, everybody.
We've got Tom Kaczynski for the entire hour.
Comprehensive analysis and commentary from Tom Kaczynski coming your way exclusively on TPC tonight.
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Welcome back to the show, everybody.
James Edwards here with our guest this hour, Tom Kaczynski.
Of course, Tom, the former town manager of Jackman, Maine, he burst onto the national scene, really the international scene earlier this year.
And that is what first brought Tom into our orbit.
He didn't do what, sadly, but frankly, 99% of white men do in times of duress.
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He really set an example.
He had a position of power, but he was more willing to lose that than to lose his dignity and self-respect.
And let me tell you something, folks, having been there myself, that is a very small and precious fraternity.
And so that instantly earned Tom my respect and allegiance.
And so we've had him on to talk about that.
But in talking to him about that and in subsequent interviews since then, I found Tom to be one of the most articulate and eloquent spokesmen for our positions out there.
And believe me, we have worked with pretty much all of them over the course of the last 14 years.
There are a lot of people out there doing great work, and we feature them on the show.
But Tom, and I would direct you again to that interview that we had with him most recently back in July of this year.
This is a guy that you're going to be hearing a lot from, I believe, in the months and years to come.
This is a guy who said, all right, you can throw me out of my office, but you will not stop me from being a spokesman for our people.
And he has emerged, in my opinion, as one of the best that there is.
So I would direct you to nationalright.us, nationalright.us.
That's his website.
And you can get his books there, and you can learn more about his work and his organization.
But right now, the book we're talking with Tom about is The Coming Civil War.
Now, we talk all the time about the problems.
I think you know the problems that we face here in this country and across the Western world, ladies and gentlemen.
We've been talking about them for 14 years on this show, and they need to be talked about and they need to be dissected and they need to be examined.
But right now, we're talking about the way things may be in the future.
So, Tom, you told us before the last break that you envisioned six potential scenarios to the way the future is going to unfold in this country.
And we were just beginning to examine those before the commercial break hit.
So, take it away, Tom, and walk us through the rest.
Okay, so just as a reminder to the listeners, the first is submission, which is basically the left wins by default through demographic replacement.
The best chance the right has of preventing that is to use government aggressively to make sure that it reverses the sort of actions that are leading to that demographic death.
These include, but are not limited to not just building a wall, but reevaluating our whole immigration policy.
I personally would argue for going back to the repeal of the 1965 Heart Seller Act, which basically created the impetus for third world random selection migration.
I think it's become a myth in this country that we are supposed to take anyone and everyone from everywhere, where any sane nation would only selectively choose people who fit into their cultural framework and who we know have something to contribute that we want.
And I think honestly, it goes into family planning policy as well.
I mean, if we're really honest about it, right now we have a system where we subsidize people to have children out of wedlock.
We subsidize single mothers with irresponsible behaviors.
And we punish families who want to have children.
So just to imagine something very simple you could do, if instead of paying people for having kids on their own, you didn't pay them for that and you maybe offered a tax break to married couples, you might see some really positive changes.
And these are just some of the more anodyne solutions that need to be considered.
But given the demographic challenges ahead, and the book goes into that in exhaustive detail, we basically have no more than 15 years to turn things around, or what will happen is you'll have a minority-majority country, at which point the sort of historical basis of what America was built upon will be highly drawn into question.
So the second point that I was mentioning in the book, militarization, is that people on the right get so concerned that they actually act and do something with government or through government in a way that ensures that action is taken on these issues.
And we'll get back into that in some detail in a minute.
The third, fourth, and fifth scenarios, which I think less likely but worth examining, are if you had decentralization where power was given back to the states, if you had secession movements like we see possibly happening in California, or if maybe at some point the whole country gets together and says, hey, the left needs to go one way, the right needs to go another, and we split the difference somewhere on two or more lines.
Now, I think because of the fact that both sides really hate each other and they're getting close to parity, that neither will be willing to agree to a sort of amicable conclusion, which leads to the sixth and final possibility, which is we may see some sort of collapse.
And what that looks like could be somewhat fractured to something that looks like it's out of Mad Max.
And so I hate to present such dire scenarios, but what the problem is is the status quo is unsustainable because it doesn't serve the needs of either side.
And the people who made all the money and who are now walking out the door, you know, usually to places like New Zealand, have left us with a mess we need to clean up.
And we're going to have to do something about it because you cannot have a country divided against itself indefinitely hold together.
These are things that need to be talked about.
And Tom Kaczynski is the man to talk about them.
And of course, none of us want to see violence and lawlessness and bloodshed.
But we have to be real, do we not, Tom?
You're not advocating for this.
You're not suggesting that this is something that would bring us happiness.
But we have to be real.
And the reality is America at its current trajectory is unsustainable, utterly unsustainable.
Yeah, I agree with that entirely.
And, you know, no one wants to see violence, but the problem is that if we categorically take the position that we are going to sit and wait and watch without using government in some sort of way, what is likely to happen, and we've seen this from the left, from Antifa, from their hired thugs and goons, is they will use violence against us.
So what I think we need to do is organize as well as we can, locally, nationally, organically, understanding that we don't have to agree on everything to know we disagree about certain things enough that we can oppose them and put up a defensive front where if violence is attempted against us, that it isn't allowed to succeed.
Because one of the dangers of the current moment is we laugh when we see these people dressed in black in the streets.
But if no one stands up to oppose them and law enforcement looks the other way, remember that Democrats control 99% of the major cities in America.
They're not going to put them in jail.
They're not going to enforce the laws against them.
And it might not be long until we have something where Antifa looks like the Bolsheviks of 1917.
It was easy to laugh at them when the Tsar was still in power.
But as we've seen time and time again in history, will more than anything else determines what happens.
And these people, having lost their sanity and having a will to violence, deserve to be watched and to be labeled as the terrorists, which they actually are.
I couldn't agree more.
And ladies and gentlemen, he's not just a commentator.
He's not just an author.
He is the leader of an organization.
I know we have a few listeners in Maine anyway, which is where, of course, Tom is located.
But wherever you are across this country, we have to stand with the men who have paid the price.
We have to stand with the people who have proven that they are worthy of leadership.
And Tom Kaczynski is one of them.
We wouldn't have him on the show otherwise.
So nationalright.us is the website.
You can learn more.
You can support him.
You can buy his book, The Coming Civil War.
Now, that's what we've been talking about for the first half hour of this particular interview with Tom.
And we're going to talk about it for a little bit more after the break.
And then we're going to get into some other topics with Tom.
He's with us for the full hour.
But buy The Coming Civil War by Tom Kaczynski.
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Tom Kaczynski is his name.
Nationalright.us is the website, and we're talking about his latest book, The Coming Civil War.
Now, I'd like to read a little bit from the description of the book, and here it is, and we'll have Tom respond to that before we shift gears and get into some other topics.
War is coming.
The first skirmishes are already being fought.
The crisis America faces is between two incompatible visions of the future and a nation sharply divided between them.
Will we become this diverse beacon of tolerance where we forget our past and embrace socialism and political correctness?
Or will we stand for our traditional beliefs, values, liberty, and sovereign government as free citizens?
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And as the arguments become more heated and the fights spill into the street, this battle to define America for generations to come is just beginning.
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So that is the description of the book.
And we have been digging a little bit deeper into that book with its author tonight, Tom Kaczynski.
Tom, anything else about the book that you think our listeners should know?
I think that if you get the book, what you'll really appreciate is just the depth that goes into how this can happen.
And one thing I'm really proud of in the book is that I identify the four issues that are most likely to lead to a fight, those being ideology, left versus right, residency, country folk versus city folk, race, which is largely whites against non-whites, although there are some exceptions depending on where you are, and culture, the fact that you can't have progressivism and traditionalism work together.
And here's the really interesting point that I think offers an opportunity for the right to unite itself the same way the left has.
If the left picks fights on any of these issues, they're going to blame the same people no matter what.
They're going to blame white Christian men who are of a nationalist or conservative bent, who live more in the country than the cities.
And so what you find when you start thinking about all the different ways in which our society is divided, it really simplifies down to the two groups, those who think America was good and those who think America is bad.
And I think people need to see and understand that and also understand that the left will show no quarter as they never have in any other place in imposing a sort of totalitarianism on us.
So I encourage people to think deeply about what they care about and what they're willing to sacrifice to ensure that the left never gets power again.
Because it is my personal opinion that we cannot afford even another four years of Democrats in the White House.
Not because the Republicans are great, but because the pure demographic reality is the legalization of all the illegals that would happen would make it virtually impossible for America to come back to an understanding it once enjoyed, absent the sort of violence that you and I want to prevent.
Tom, I agree with you 100%.
And as bad as the Republicans are, and believe me, this is not a Republican show, but the Democrats are worse.
And even Georgia, Georgia hangs by a thread of turning blue.
So this is where we are.
And we're there because demographics is destiny.
And every illegal alien that comes over is a Democrat voter, believe you me.
And that's not to say the Republicans are our friends.
They're not.
And we want a better solution than that.
But if the solution is worse is better, let's just maintain the status quo.
Now, Tom, we've been talking about your book tonight, The Coming Civil War.
And again, I would like to remind the audience that they can buy that book tonight at nationalright.us.
We've got some other questions that we want to get to you, and we will get them to you in the next and final segment that we have with you this second hour.
But I would just like to talk with you personally for a minute, Tom, just man-to-man.
Because I actually, we've talked about the three prior appearances you've made on the show this year.
This is your fourth, and all four have come this calendar year.
But the very first one, I don't believe I was sitting in on.
That happened to be one of the rare weeks during which I was out.
And so Winston Smith was covering for me.
And he did a great job.
But I just didn't happen to be there the night that you were talking about your situation up there in Maine when it was still in the middle of that national news cycle.
But I would like to ask you to explain to the audience what went through your thought process during the heavy fire that you were receiving.
Because now that's something that I can relate to.
That's something that I've been through.
I've shared my story.
But again, that is a small and a precious fraternity of men who can say that they have sacrificed something.
And you being an official who was in charge of the town there.
I mean, you were essentially the mayor.
And I'm sure you had to consider, you know, would it be better for me if I just apologized, if I just gave them what they want and hope that somehow, some way I could maintain my position.
But no, you didn't go that way.
You went the way that men go.
Take us back to that moment, if you don't mind us going all the way back to the beginning.
And tell us what your thought process was, what you were feeling, and what led to your ultimate decision.
I remember one thought was really clear in my mind.
I don't help myself or my friends by giving my enemies what they want.
And, you know, I think one of the things that people don't understand is that you might lose your job and your social status if you stand up for your people and your beliefs.
But if you don't stand up for them, you're still going to lose your job and your social status, but you're going to lose your self-respect.
You're going to lose the friends who would support you.
And you're going to be losing your whole life because you just back down when a fight is worth having.
And to be honest, I knew the presence I had on social media would one day be an issue.
And it shouldn't have been legally.
There was no cause.
But I knew from the moment the first story broke that there was a takedown.
And I knew the one thing they wanted was for me to say that I was wrong and that I should resign or I should retire.
But when you're right, you should not have to apologize for it.
And I knew in that moment that I wasn't going to apologize.
And what I had to consider, honestly, was a way to get out of that situation well enough where my wife and I could sustain ourselves to the point where I could figure out what this new phase in my life meant.
Fortunately, we had a settlement that was able to sustain us for a while.
Now I write books.
You know, someone has to say it was my first book about how America was subverted.
This new book, The Coming Civil War.
But I work as an activist and I spend every day trying to figure out how to ensure that.
Yeah, I'm here.
It looks like you may have lost.
Okay, there you go.
I'm sorry, Tom.
We had just a little blip in the radar here.
Keep going.
No, I was saying that I love that I get a chance to have these fights and these battles.
And I wish I could do more.
I try to do more, actually.
I'm trying to build a national movement that will work through local areas so that people can stand up because I think, I honestly believe we have one chance to turn this around where we can marshal all of our forces behind the right persons or the right people in the right moment.
And so many people come to me and they ask me, how do you stand up when the forces against us are so strong?
But what I tell them is we are the majority.
We still are 60% of America.
We are the people who control Congress, who control the presidency, who control the judiciary.
And we let our enemies, because they have such vast propaganda, convince us that they're all powerful.
Whereas the truth is, they have to have that level of blanketing because people do not believe what they are selling.
Well, certainly I agree with that.
I agree that we live in the age where the emperor has no clothes and that everybody is pretending that he does and that all of this respect for so-called diversity and tolerance is a mile wide and an inch deep.
But what is encouraging, Tom, is that there are men like you out there.
Men willing to pay the price, men willing to stand for a cause greater than themselves, come what may.
And you set an example, and it's an example that other men should follow.
And so, you know, I wasn't there that very first time you appeared on the show.
I listened to it.
I thought it was a great interview.
And of course, I followed your story.
And we've had you on twice since then, and now tonight the third time.
But I wanted to ask you that as someone who can relate because there's not that many.
And I would ask you, and I know what your answer is going to be, but are there any regrets?
Is there anything you would have done differently with the way everything was executed?
No, I don't have any regret other than that I wish I would have been able to reach more people with my message.
Well, we're reaching as many as we can tonight, and we're going to continue to do that in the next segment.
Our last with Tom before Eddie the Bobby Miller comes in for the third hour.
Stay tuned.
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Always good to have Tom Kaczynski on the show.
This is his fourth appearance.
There will be many more to come in the future.
As Donald Trump would say, that much I can tell you.
But the website is nationalright.us, and the book is The Coming Civil War, his latest.
But now we're going to talk with Tom about, well, just a little hodgepodge, I guess you could say.
It's going to be questions that aren't necessarily, that don't necessarily have a common theme, but I'd like to hear his answers to them.
So that's what we're going to do right now.
Tom, if you could give one piece of advice to President Trump, what would it be?
Stop trying to get along with your enemies.
Trump, I think the biggest wasted opportunity of the Trump administration has been his desire to be agreeable to everyone and the time he has wasted making mistakes rather than using the revolutionary support he was granted to drain the swamp, build the wall, and do the things the American people expect of him.
Yeah, I mean, obviously we're halfway through the first and perhaps only term he'll ever have.
And it certainly seems to be, to say the least, a far cry from the promise of his candidacy.
Candidate Trump was far superior to President Trump, as it would turn out.
The things that propelled him to the White House, he's not been able to deliver on.
And we'll see what happens over the course of the next months and couple of years.
But I think what you said certainly rings true as far as I'm concerned.
In your new book, DC bureaucracy is a really difficult thing to do.
Sure.
The problem is trying to play by their rules, it's going to be too hard for him to win.
And I say that because I think his intentions were very good, but I just don't think he had the right people around him or the clear enough resolve of how to go about draining the swamp.
And now he's stuck in all these sort of DC swamp games that unfortunately have been a huge distraction and diversion.
Well, no doubt about that is there's a new spending bill up.
If funding for the wall is not in that, he shouldn't sign it.
Clear and cut and dry.
That's as simple as I can state it.
He was elected for no, if for no other reason, he was elected to build the wall.
That more than any other reason, he was elected for.
And if he's not putting funding for that wall in any spending bill that comes before his desk, he shouldn't sign it.
That's it.
And he has signed some before, and now it looks like another one will go through.
So I agree with you, Tom.
With about eight minutes remaining, I've got three more questions that I've got to get to.
Your new book, now, we've been talking about this book, but in this new book, you state that, quote, we should potentially consider treating Jews as deliberately separate from other white people.
Explain what you mean by that.
Sure.
So in the course of looking in this analysis, I looked at how people vote in a lot of depth.
And one of the things that I discovered is that the Republican Party, the right wing, is overwhelmingly white people.
Whites vote over 60% for Republicans.
If you go ahead and take out the one group that really muddies the waters, and that's the Jewish vote, the Jewish vote runs about 70% Democratic.
And so what I suggested as a more accurate way of typifying who goes which way is in the same way that Latinos are treated as technically a white race but separate ethnicity, that maybe we should look at Jews the same way because they have such a different way of viewing the world than your average white population.
You can pick your most left-wing, non-Jewish white voting bloc, and they still vote by about 20 points more for Republicans than your average Jew.
Now, mind you, Orthodox Jews do vote differently than secular Jews, but it's a really interesting phenomenon that I think sometimes allows some of the complaints that you hear from the left about white power to get conflated where a lot of times it isn't really white, but you have certain, you know, powerful Jewish interests that act in a way that are presented as representing the white community.
Excellent answer, and I appreciate that.
I've got two more questions for you, Tom.
And we have a caller from California that we're going to try to get to before you're off tonight.
So let's go as quickly as you can.
I'll try to answer each other.
At the same time, at the same time, take as much time as you need.
There's been a lot of discussion.
Now, we've been talking about Kavanaugh for the last two weeks on this show.
There's been a lot of discussion lately regarding the relationship between the sexes and the innate qualities of men and women.
What should the role of women be in our movement?
Can you ever visualize in our movement?
And would it even be a good idea to have a woman leader?
Now, I hear a bunch of blather about women being morally superior to men.
So I'd like to hear your comment on all of these things.
What can we learn from the Kavanaugh Smear and Destroy campaign launched by the Democrats and how it applies to what we're trying to do here for our people?
It's really unfortunate the Republicans haven't seized upon this opportunity to destroy Me Too.
In my first book, I went into exhaustive detail about this, but the real problem is that men and women are being set against one another because we're being told, as is the Marxist want, that men and women are just similar people with different parts.
And it just isn't true.
The psychology, the physiology of men and women are radically different.
So I think we need, if we're going to be respectful to both men and women, to understand men and women have different needs.
And with respect to women, I think the highest aspiration a woman can have is to be a mother, to bring life into this world.
And I know there are a number of female voices in this movement that are incredibly passionate and powerful advocates for returning the family to the center of life to women as mothers as socially acceptable.
And I think that's something we should very much encourage and grow because it shows that, you know, this is something men and women have to do together, understanding that even though we have different responsibilities, women who are there for their families, who are there for their husbands, who are there for the men in their lives, will get the sort of men who can be strong and powerful.
And one thing I want to add is I think we need to have a reinforced masculinity where men stop being afraid of being accused of things and stand up and say unapologetically that we are going to take charge back of our lives, of our society, and our families.
Last question, Tom, and great answer, by the way, I must say.
Last question before we go to Diane, or we're running out of time.
I'd like to hear from you because we're talking about your position as a leader in this movement as it is becoming to emerge.
What about the three U.S. pro-white leaders or world leaders, whichever, the pro-white leaders you admire the most?
Now, that could be a politician, an activist, a journalist.
Who are the people that you think are doing a good job?
That's a hard one.
I mean, right now, if we're talking globally, I think Victor Orbin is doing tremendous work in Hungary.
I think Matteo Salvini is doing a very good job over there in Italy, getting people aware and awake for that.
And how could I not pick the inestimable James Edwards when I'm on his show as someone who's been speaking for years about this?
Certainly when you're on this show, you have to say that.
I would do that for every host every time.
But I do appreciate what you do.
And look, you and I are in the fever swamps.
I know how hard it is.
I know the price you've paid.
You and I have talked about that privately.
You have my respect, man.
I'd be there in the foxhole with you, and you know it.
Well, and that is reciprocated from here, believe you me.
And thank you for saying that.
Now, with only two minutes remaining, and if we don't get a time to go back to time, if we don't have the time to go back to time, I'd like to give you the website one more time, nationalright.us.
Diane, thank you for waiting patiently from California.
You called in last week and you were a real highlight.
What can you say with us with only a couple of minutes remaining with Tom?
Go, Diane.
Okay.
Well, first of all, I love what you said about your guest said about Trump not trying to make friends with his enemies.
And I have a little opinion on the male-female thing.
I think that it's ridiculous to join sides because we all have fathers and sons and brothers and, you know, people of the opposite sex that we love that we don't want to see get hurt, number two.
But the thing I was calling about is our politicians.
I don't ever look at right versus left anymore, especially after I heard a radio talk show host locally say that she was very liberal, pro-abortion, you know, just very liberal.
She was a Democrat.
She said she was going to run as a Republican because that was the only way she could get elected.
So I don't trust any of them in Washington.
In fact, some of the Democrats, like James Trafficant, have been more conservative than some of the Republicans.
You had the blue dog Democrats that were excellent.
And I wonder sometimes why our leaders go back there and they change.
I feel like maybe these bankers get a hold of them and say, you don't kowtow, you don't walk the walk, we're going to crash the economy because they can.
They control our money, number one.
They control our media, number two.
And also, our military, we are basically defenseless besides the arms, the guns that us citizens own, because our military is spread all over the world.
Tom, we only have seconds remaining.
Diane, thank you for the call.
Tom, a response and the music is about.
The system is broken in so many ways that unless we fix everything, we can't fix anything.
I agree with you.
All right, Diane, I tell you what, dear lady, you are welcome to call into this broadcast any week and every week.
I know you were a big hit last week and tonight, equally prescient points, as it were.
And Tom, as always, an hour with you is an hour that goes by far too quickly.
And I would also like to share with everyone that Sam Bushman did a show today.
He's six days a week on the radio, LibertyRoundtable.com, and how the spirit of parties are evil and how this allegiance to this party system that we've got is really a bane for the American people.
Tom, thank you.
Diane, thank you.
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