March 10, 2018 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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A beautiful song there from the British Invasion.
The folks singing duo Chad and Jeremy brings about thoughts of the seasons of change that occurred during life.
It's a little bit melancholy, but also cheerful and fun.
And we're going to try to be just that tonight for you as well.
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James Edwards, Saturday, March 10th, it's March.
It's spring.
How did that happen?
Well, I'll tell you, it's because, as we just mentioned, seasons change, and nothing lasts forever, and few things last for very long, which is why, again, I say as we enter into another new season and another new year, I'm so happy that the Political Cesspool has been one of the rare exceptions.
14 years on the radio, and I don't know if we've ever had a run of shows as good as the ones we've put together so far in 2018.
Last week's show, Incredible, I was on with Jared Taylor.
Third hour, Eddie had David Duke.
You get those two together on the same show.
Who could do that but TPC?
Great second hour from Sam Bushman.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Jack Ryan made his contributions.
Talking about the year we've had so far, and we're only in March, but so far, again, I guess I'm bragging a little bit because it is such a wonderful – I'm bragging on the guests.
I'm bragging on the guests.
Virginia Abernathy, Peter Brimolow, Kyle Bristow, Sam Dixon, David Duke.
He's been on twice.
Nick Griffin, Michael Hill, Paul Kersey, Lana Lochtiff, Kevin McDonald, Brother Nathaniel, Hendrik Palmgren, Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson, Paul Craig Roberts, Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor twice, Mark Weber.
That's a hell of a lineup.
Hell of a lineup, and it's going to continue tonight.
I'll tell you what, you look at those people.
You know, this is a show that's universally respected in the movement.
You'll never read anything negative written about us by a peer.
And we'll talk a little bit more about that later this hour, I guess.
But we love our friends, and our friends work with us, and it's a mutual admiration society.
And hopefully our collaborations are doing good for the greater cause.
But tonight, tonight, two more guests making certainly repeat appearances, but their first appearances of the year.
Evan McLaren will be my guest this hour.
Evan is the executive director of the National Policy Institute.
He's going to talk to us about the happenings that took place at Michigan State University last weekend surrounding Richard Spencer's appearance there.
So Evan will be my guest the first hour.
And then in the second hour, a lot of fun is going to be had in the second hour tonight when we welcome back a man I've known for, my God, 14, 15 years now, since before the show started.
We're 14 years on the air.
I've known this man longer than that, Paul Fromm, the Canadian free speech activist, Paul Fromm.
We're going to have the great North American cuckout.
Who was more cucked, Americans or Canadians?
We're going to go tit for tat.
We're going to talk to Paul about that in the second hour.
But first, a little bit of sad news.
A little bit of sad news.
Kyle Bristow withdrew from politics.
You'll, of course, know Kyle Bristow as perhaps Richard Spencer's lawyer in his free speech cases at these universities on his college tour.
Of course, Kyle Bristow, much more than that, was my attorney and a friend.
My attorney in our case, our precedent-setting case against the Detroit News, that libel case, which was rigged.
You can't win in Nebuchadnezzar's court, ladies and gentlemen.
But anyway, Kyle Bristow, of course, withdrew from politics.
I think about 24 hours before he was scheduled to host a conference there in Michigan.
You may have, in advance of Richard's appearance there, which we'll be talking about this hour.
You may have read Kyle's resignation letter at his website for the Freedom, the Foundation of the Marketplace of Ideas.
And there's more to it, of course.
I'm sure you already know that.
I've spoken with Kyle this week, and there's a lot more to it than he could share publicly or that I will share publicly.
I understand his decision.
I wish him the best as he goes forward in life.
But he was an attorney of tremendous ability and a hugely talented lawyer, a genius, I think.
And he did great work.
But not every soldier makes it to the end of the war.
And so we thank Kyle for his service on behalf of this cause, and we wish him well going forward.
It will be a loss.
The timing was especially regrettable because of what was going on there in Michigan last week with NPI and Richard and Evan.
And so that was regrettable.
Few things surprised me anymore, but Kyle's announcement certainly did.
And he was aggressively promoting the upcoming festivities in Michigan with his usual rhetoric as recently as just a couple of days before his withdrawal.
And it, wow.
I mean, you know, so that's that.
That's that.
And again, I think I talked with Kyle just yesterday.
Yeah, it was yesterday, yesterday afternoon.
On the eve of Richard's talk at the University of Michigan, he abruptly resigned from the foundation, his foundation, and from the conference that he had planned there in Detroit.
And I was actually asked to speak at that conference.
I couldn't make it.
I was on the road last week.
I was on the road meeting with supporters of the program and doing some work that needed to be done that involved me being away from the studio last Saturday night.
We did the first hour with Jared, and then Sam did the second hour, and Eddie and David Duke.
But so I was out of town.
I couldn't make it back up to Michigan in time because of a conflicting schedule.
But Kyle's off Twitter, and a lot of the events that he was supposed to be part of or had planned were scuttled.
And you can read what he can share publicly there again at his website.
It's a real shame.
I like him a lot.
I like the guy.
A good man, a warrior.
But, you know, this happens.
This happens.
Not everybody makes it.
I think I just said that.
But I think in publicly announcing it, perhaps the enemy will gleefully step up their attacks on others.
A lot of times it comes down to money, ladies and gentlemen.
When you're 20 years old and idealistic and taking on the world and full of piss and vinegar, you can go on that for a while.
When you enter your 30s and you have children and you're still scraping by and you have passed up on other opportunities for success that many people have attained, then it begins to take a toll.
It begins to take a toll.
There is a good article written by another friend of ours, Travis Hale, at alt-rightchristian.com, The Limits of Trolling.
And I think that in some ways, that article, which we reposted at thepolitical Successful.org this week, touches on some of this.
You know, this movement of ours is a movement that comes with a great deal of cost.
And because you are risking so much to involve yourself in a public way and to do the work the right way, obviously a lot of people aren't willing to do that.
And many of the people who are willing to do that are people that have nothing to lose.
So the people like us, like Evan McLaren, like the guests that we featured so far this year, they all are people of huge talents and would have been very successful if they had played it straight.
That's who we showcase on this radio program.
And that's the people who need and deserve your support.
We come back, we're going to take a call.
We're going to talk a little bit more about what happened in Michigan.
Then we're going to go behind the scenes with Evan McLaren.
Stay tuned.
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All right, as always, we'd like to open the show with some introductory remarks, a welcoming statement, a few announcements.
We really got to get down to business now because we have one more segment before Evan McLaren joins us, and we're going to go behind the scenes at what took place at Michigan State University last week with Richard Spencer.
We'd like to have Richards a regular on this show, but tonight I wanted to have Evan on a little change of pace, a different perspective, but obviously similar because they both work for the same organization that was founded by the great and good Bill Regnery, the National Policy Institute.
I want to share with you a few more thoughts about what happened there, particularly with regard to what the police did or didn't do.
And I'm going to get to that, and I've got to get to that quickly, but first we want to go to our good friend Matt the Copperhead, who's calling in.
A quick call from Matt, and then we'll get back to regularly scheduled broadcasting.
Matt, what do you have for us tonight?
Hello, James.
How you doing?
I want to get right to the point with, as you were talking about, with Kyle and various lawyers.
I feel there's a concerted effort from our enemies that they're singling out people, lawyers of their profession that might be right-minded.
And it's like, you know, the story, you have a stick, one stick, you can easily break it.
And that's what we have now.
We have guys that are basically standing on their own, even they're together in the greater our movement.
However, they're not like a fascist where we're all together, and it's ultimately going to take a organization, our own southern, I hate to even say it, or like a Southern Poverty Law Center, ADO.
It's going to have to take our own law center.
Well, and that's what Kyle was attempting to build.
I agree, Matt, and that's what Kyle was attempting to build.
He was as close to that as we had ever been with regard to a legal foundation that would take on these clients.
And, well, I mean, it's gone now.
It's just gone.
Well, that's what else can we think?
One will raise again.
You know, one will be of the Phoenix movement that will come up again when lawyers, you know, it's going to take basically what's going to have to happen is you're going to have to have some guys that were ready for retirement anyway and have money and have the quintessential you-know-what money, you know, go pound salt money, to use the right language, that they can get together.
And it's going to take guys with, you know, they can wave all up.
We got to fight.
We got to fight on all fronts in the court of public opinion on the airwaves and the streets and politics by impacting culture in courts of law.
And yeah, I mean, so this is a setback.
And as Richard said this week, we're going to take losses.
There are going to be times where we lose.
And losing a battle doesn't mean you're going to lose the ultimate war.
You don't enjoy it.
You don't celebrate it.
You take it and you move forward.
What else can we do?
But I'll tell you this, ladies and gentlemen, and as if you need me to remind you of this, the people that are out there who are time-tested and battle-tested, you better appreciate them because they're few and far between.
Matt, final word, and then we're going to get back to what the police did this week.
And I know you're going to enjoy listening to this because, I mean, my God.
But go, Matt.
Well, you know, they've attacked us definitely in the court of public opinion, in the courts.
What happened with you is an absolute tragedy.
And, you know, what else?
And it just people need to realize what's coming down the horizon on us in the actual battlefield.
That's my opinion.
That's what I see happening.
It's just shaping up to be.
We're working to revert that.
We don't want that, but we're not going to back down either.
And we're going to stand our ground because our positions are righteous and our positions are holy.
And we're not going to look back on that.
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Thank you for the call, Matt.
And we love you, Matt.
Now, listen, folks, you've got to remember, it was back in 2008, David Duke and I had organized this conference in Memphis that had over 500 people registered to attend, and we were able to pull it off, but not without a lot of the things that NPI had faced this week.
So we've been through this before, and I think we went through it first, frankly, with hotels canceling legally binding contracts just because of political pressure from terrorists, from people threatening to murder general managers of establishments and kill their family and threaten to blow up the hotel.
All right, so we were the first ones to go through that, I think, and then Amrin started to go through it.
And we had the entire county in which this conference was scheduled to be held declare a state of emergency so that they could circumvent laws.
So law enforcement, my opinion of law enforcement and police has really plummeted over the course of the past decade.
I can tell you that.
And they saw that up there in Michigan this week as well.
So here you have the police.
Now, these pre-Michigan State University events that were supposed to take place, there were supposed to be some conferences, some get-togethers at area restaurants, clubs, etc.
And the police took it upon themselves.
This isn't their job.
The police took it upon themselves to contact the venues at which NPI or Kyle's organization were supposed to hold events and warn them that they're investigating whether or not this establishment is supposed to host a neo-Nazi gathering on Saturday or Sunday.
So first of all, number one, I'd like to curse right now, but I can't do that on AM radio.
It's BS.
First of all, this isn't a neo-Nazi group, for God's sake.
I mean, the people who attend NPI, I've spoken at NPI conferences.
I spoke at one in what, as early as 2011 or 12, whatever it was.
These are well-dressed, well-mannered, well-behaved, well-heeled members of society.
They're law-abiding all the way.
They're the kind of people you'd want for your neighbor, quite frankly.
And so they're not neo-Nazis for starters.
So why are the police, and how do I know this?
Because it was reported.
Why aren't the police going to these establishments and lying about the kind of people who are coming?
That's number one.
Number two, it's not illegal, even if they were neo-Nazis, to exercise the freedom of speech or to have dinner.
And so that's what was going on.
And so, of course, one by one, all of these craven cowards and these cucks caved and canceled the events.
But it looks like the media and the police were working in tandem to intimidate venues into canceling their contracts with peaceful white people.
That's what's going on here.
And it would seem like, especially at a place like Detroit, that there may be higher priorities for police in a place like Detroit than harassing law-abiding citizens from having dinner together.
But I guess they're just another support group of the regime now investigating a planned neo-Nazi meeting at your facility.
And look, this just gets us through the pre-speech festivity.
So, of course, all of that was scuttled.
Number one, because Kyle was, I don't want to say forced, but because of the pressure applied to him, he resigned and was out of commission.
And then the police did the rest of the work.
I think there ultimately was a get-together at a private residence because where else were they going to go?
That just gets us through the pre-speech festivities.
And then on the day of the event at Michigan State, last Monday, once again, it's a mini Charlottesville.
I saw photographic evidence of this through the lying press.
They can't lie about the pictures.
You had the cops, in my opinion, the cops, the media, and the antifa terrorists working together to suppress the freedom of speech, to suppress the attendance at this, backed by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL, to suppress the attendance and the freedom of speech of the people who were intending to attend Richard Spencer's talk at Michigan State University.
So, of course, you were not supposed to bring any sort of shields, any sort of mask, obviously any sort of weapons.
But what did I see?
What did I see with my own eyes?
I saw Antifa there with masks, with knives, with, what do you call it?
You put on brass knuckles, not only brass knuckles, but pointed brass knuckles, the kind that would not just knock you out, but would cut you.
Spiked knuckles.
That's it.
Thank you, Sam.
Spiked knuckles.
And the police, once again, it would appear, because there was a two-hour live stream.
It would appear that the police were putting the good guys in proximity to the bad guys so that there would be mayhem.
And then what did the press report?
Fights, violence breakout at Richard Spencer event.
Yeah.
I've never been so close to cussing on the air.
Yeah, no, yeah, of course that was going to happen because you intended it for it to happen.
You made it happen.
And then, of course, the police still allowed these people, these terrorists, to stop people, to block people from entering in the facility, which brought attendance down to nearly zero.
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All right, everybody.
It's my pleasure to welcome back an old friend of mine, Evan McLaren.
Evan now serves as the executive director of the National Policy Institute, and he's going to take us behind the scenes of Richard Spencer's recent speech at Michigan State.
So, Evan, first of all, welcome to the show.
Secondly, I did as much as I could in the first two segments to kind of set the stage for your appearance.
So I think if people didn't already know some of the things that transpired up there in Michigan last week, at least they have a cursory knowledge of the chain of events.
You could take it now in any direction you'd like.
You did a very adequate, very good hot take immediately after Richard's speech that you posted to Twitter via Periscope and we retweeted.
But after you've marinated in this a week, what are your most, what most would you like to convey to the audience about what you saw, what you felt, what happened?
Well, where to begin, I mean, I think that it's likely that most of your audience is very familiar with, if not what happened here, the kind of pattern that we've gotten used to.
I mean, you talked about it in an earlier segment.
I think we're all disappointed with law enforcement, and they let us down again.
I think you'll actually see over the course of the week, there's a development of law along those lines where you'll have the opportunity to be even more disappointed in law enforcement.
I can't go into that now, but stay tuned.
That's all I'll say for now.
But they were very unfair to us.
They were unfair to attendees.
They didn't protect anyone.
They didn't secure our rights.
And they, although they did arrest some Antifa and some celebrity Antifa were included in that.
So that's a victory that we could take away.
Also, kind of went out of their way to harass us in very strange ways.
So, that's something that we have to take seriously going forward.
And I think simply for planning purposes, you know, and people who, as you said, people who do this full-time, people who are capable, people who get things done, we only have so many resources.
We only have so much time and energy.
We only have so many people.
So, we are just going to have to learn, learn through experience, learn through trial and error, that we have to be very careful and very deliberate about how we deploy our resources so that we get a desired effect.
You know, we can take away good lessons from this weekend.
I think we also have to consider course changes going forward to make sure that we get to speak our piece.
We get to speak our piece to a sizable audience, that we don't have to be street fighting all the time in order simply to get to the door and get on stage.
Evan, great opening salvo there.
Am I being over the top in my disdain for law enforcement here?
Richard was magnanimous, I guess you could say, or at least diplomatic in that he spoke about the professionalism of the law enforcement.
But what I watched as a layman, not having the opportunity to be there, having been on the road and just watching it as perhaps other people did, I'm not impressed.
Yes, you're right.
When you look at the people who were ultimately arrested, I think 10 to 1, it was, or 20 to 1, frankly, was about the legitimate tally.
It was the terrorist.
Greg Conti was arrested for no reason, and then he was subsequently released without charges, thankfully.
But it seems as though they still allowed far too many shenanigans to come from the opposition, as well as just blatant lawlessness.
So, the fact that only 20 were arrested seems far too few.
No, I don't think you're being too harsh.
And I'll come at it from both sides.
I mean, coming from your feeling, we don't expect law enforcement simply to arrest a handful of people.
And that's what it was, effectively, in relation to the entire turnout of Antifa and people who are being violent and disruptive.
It was a handful.
You know, we expect them to maintain law and order, to maintain public safety, and to allow people to exercise their rights, allow society to continue as normal, and in this case, allow us to speak.
So, hey, it's great to look at a mugshot of a smelly Antifa.
I enjoy it.
But that's not enough.
On the other hand, we are in a weird place.
I mean, you talk about experiencing kind of the first wave of shutdowns and hotel cancellations and all of that, all the kind of weird stuff that we're now very used to.
You know, we experience that now.
And when you experienced it during that kind of first generation of this stuff, we didn't have to deal with it before because there would not necessarily be a reason for conferences to be convened and held premised on white consciousness.
It was just in the water.
People took it for granted.
It didn't need to be explicitly stated to the extent it does now.
And now that we need it, we're on the other side of the decline in white consciousness.
And we can't rely on constituted authority in the same way.
So that is weird.
And I think that so what I'm getting at is that the law enforcement personnel, the rank and file, they have a follower quality.
They do what they need to do to get their job done as described by their superior officers.
They go in for a paycheck and a pension.
I'm not trying to insult them.
But you're not going to get an individual officer or group of officers. who are going to look out and say, hey, this is wrong.
I'm going to do something about it.
So we just kind of get from law enforcement what we get from wider society.
That's what we can expect.
Well, and so many people still hold, especially in the South, hold reverence for law enforcement.
I get that on a basic level, but you've got to understand, I mean, how can you believe that every aspect of the regime is against us?
Every institution, every branch of law enforcement, or rather, government is against us.
But law enforcement would somehow be immune to that.
No, I mean, you know, they're just going to be, there's just another hand of it.
I, of course, sympathize with the police when I watch the police in Ferguson or in Charlotte or in some of these other places in Baltimore where they have to deal with these Black Lives Matter terrorists.
But when it came to Charlottesville, when it came to even this weekend, and many other examples could be drawn from, they just didn't do the job.
They didn't do the job.
And they allowed Antifa to prevent ticket holders entry to the arena.
I don't want to dwell the rest of the hour on this, Evan, but one final word about that.
Obviously, attendance was impacted by the fact that many people couldn't even access the venue because of the threat of violence that was presented by the opposition that was not negated by proper law enforcement.
Am I right?
Oh, absolutely.
And it wasn't just what you observed outside of the venue.
The depressed attendance was a result of things that unfolded hours, days, weeks before the conference.
The move by the school to kind of cage us in on a spring break so that, you know, the pace of litigation and the rhythm of litigation was such that we felt obliged to accept that, or Cameron Padgett did.
So that was one issue.
But, you know, on that day and during that weekend, there were very aggressive efforts to infiltrate the email list through which we disclosed to attendees and people who wanted to come to the speech where to get tickets, how to get tickets, and things like that.
It appears that those efforts were at least partially successful.
Several of our people were followed by Antifa and basically harassed throughout the weekend.
So this disrupted ticket distribution and just kind of lent an air of tension and anxiety to the entire experience.
And, you know, that was the backdrop of everything.
So, you know, there was an effort to demoralize us and an effort to disrupt us across the board.
But it's not all a loss, ladies and gentlemen.
And we have Evan McLaren, Executive Director of the National Policy Institute, on for one more segment after our next break.
And we're going to focus on the positive.
The positive, I think, and we may try to get it in the few seconds we have remaining this segment, was that it was a great speech.
And I've listened to all of Richard's speeches at each of his stops with the college tour.
And it's available at altright.com, altright.com.
And to be able to compose yourself in the face of everything that we've mentioned.
And of course, what I mentioned in advance of your parents tonight, Evan, was, of course, the things that you were subjected to before we even got to the field at Michigan State.
The other pre-event festivities being canceled because of law enforcement's intervention and other reasons.
But let's focus on the speech when we come back and where we go from here.
And it's going to be positive, folks.
And what I want you to remember is ultimately, we're going to win because we have to win and we must win.
And I think there will be a future in which we prevail.
I really am a glasses half-full type of guy because I know there's people like Evan McLaren out there.
We'll be right back.
Every day I wake up, it's almost like a battle.
Just like, well, you know, I could do this today.
I could go get drunk.
I don't like beer.
I'm an alcoholic because I can't, you know, stop drinking because it alters my mind, but I don't like alcohol.
And I had to keep telling myself that, you know, this is okay.
Everybody does this.
My whole life was just a big lie.
I can't control if I do take that drink because I'm an addict and I can't.
I admit, yesterday's messed me up.
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Okay, folks, let's focus on the positive now.
Now, we know that it wasn't a grand slam in Michigan last week for in many reasons because of circumstances that were beyond our control.
When you're battling the media, law enforcement, terrorists, and then some, it's tough when you're basically a volunteer crew, almost a volunteer crew.
And I think that they did as good as they could do, and it was well enough just to be able to appear.
And it was a great speech.
I mentioned that right before the break.
Available online at altright.com.
But one thing before we turn it back over to Evan McLaren, the executive director of National Policy Institute, is that we mentioned that there are precious few people that are not only holding the line for you, but are holding the line for you while they have at once something to lose.
And these are the people that you should be supporting.
And I think we featured the majority of them on the show already this year.
We have another one tonight, Evan McLaren.
Let's talk about the speech itself, Evan.
Your take on that and where we go from here.
Well, the speech was a positive in itself.
We saw again why Richard is such a well-regarded leader with everything going on around him.
He knew when he showed up, and he probably knew days before, the speech that he wanted to give.
And he really was going to give it regardless of the circumstances.
And he did that.
And, you know, it really was really was inspiring.
It reminded me of why I was happy and eager to join him and begin working with him in the first place.
So, you know, we have a great leader in Richard, and we can be confident that, you know, we're going to, we're going to figure this out, and we are going to correct course.
And regardless of what happens, you know, we have a great spokesperson in Richard.
Well, let's talk about this, Evan, since it's being not necessarily danced around, but I think we should talk about this when we're together.
There are many good people out there, legitimately good people, who are at odds with one another.
And we're such a precious few to begin with.
But for the people who are at odds with one another while at once maintaining a shared vision, what do we do going forward to, once again, close ranks?
We won't say unite the right necessarily, but to close ranks post-Charlottesville.
Oh, well, you know, I think, honestly, when I think of the ethic that should animate us, I think of this show, I think of you, James.
You know, if someone is willing to, if someone who has something to lose is willing to put that on the line and stand up for our people, then that is really, you know, you can have disagreements with them.
You can have different approaches.
But there should be a level at which you can work with that person.
And there are a lot of people who are forgetting that.
On the other hand, I'm personally not as troubled as some are, with good reason.
I understand their anxiety.
I'm not quite as troubled by what you would, what you might call infighting within the movement.
You know, if If this is going to be something that's attractive and that people want to do, if it's going to be seen as something that's desirable to lead, then there will always be a little bit of competition for that leadership.
Now it has gone beyond that a little bit.
So, you know, to that point, you know, we need tough people.
We need people who are serious.
We need people who are vigorous.
We need people who have courage and guts.
And we are always going to have people who try to kind of take the cheap way out, take the easy way out, who want things simple and would prefer not to face the real challenges.
And those people, one way or another, need to be sorted out.
And so, you know, I will accept that challenge equally.
I'll take my blows.
I certainly, when I turn on my computer and fire up social media, I see criticism every day, every hour.
And that's fine.
I welcome that.
And if you're really in this for real, then you should be able to withstand that.
You shouldn't be afraid of it.
And you shouldn't be such a narcissist that you can't get over it, that you can't accept some valid criticism, deflect the rest, and simply move forward together, set aside differences, and cooperate.
Well, Evan, excuse me, I appreciate you saying everything that you just said, and I echo all of it.
I want to say one thing about Evan McLaren, ladies and gentlemen, while we have him on the show.
I have known Evan for years in advance of his appointment as the executive director of the National Policy Institute.
Evan is yet another of the rare few who would have and could have had, and may still have, but certainly would have had, had he not gone into the greater good of this movement, a very successful and financially prosperous career.
But he sought a higher calling.
And here he is now on this show and working with NPI, doing the work that most Americans refuse to do.
And so there are ties that bind there, and we need to respect that and appreciate that and know that there are people out there worthy of our support.
And NPI is one of those organizations.
Evan, I don't want to circle back necessarily, but I do want to get a very quick take from you on that before we run out of time.
One of our mutual friends wrote this with regard to the media's coverage of the events in Michigan last week.
All of the headlines, and they were ubiquitous, but most of them led with that there were violence at this event.
But they didn't go into, of course, in the body or in the headline exactly who or what or why the violence was caused.
Not one quote, our friend writes from a reporter or a cop or another eyewitness that all of the violence, all of the violence was instigated by the left.
Abundant quotes from anti-Spencer demonstrators about how good they feel about, quote, standing up against hate, end quote.
Zero quotes from Spencer supporters or even people who weren't supporters but wanted to hear the speech.
So he asked himself rhetorically, what did you expect?
Yeah, I know.
I just like to keep track.
What are we doing to circumvent that and to move forward and to work around the media?
What is next for NPI?
What is next for Evan and Richard and the rest of us?
Well, here at MPI, we're in the process of recognizing and adjusting to the fact that we are in a different place than we were a year or two or three ago.
In the past, we were still developing the alt-right, kind of the notion of its existence and its underlying purpose and its name, its brand, and the ideas that it represents.
And so that was before these ideas reached the mainstream.
Richard had his own idea, his own approach to how to get these thoughts and these political ideas out there.
And his approach was successful, and his approach was this.
He looked to his right, well, not really to his right, but he looked to the conservative movement and observed that these were people whose entire mythology was based on purging racists from its ranks and being good kind of kennel-fed conservatives.
And he looked to the left of the liberal media, and these were people whose entire mythology was based on battling racists, on having kind of villainous racists to be their antagonists.
And from that, he determined that actually the best place, the best manner, paradoxically, in which to get the message out was through the liberal media for a couple of reasons.
They found Richard very appealing in himself.
Richard is willing to play in kind of a silly and playful way the bond villain, the person that won't disavow his racism and will give the liberals, in a sense, exactly what they want.
Also, the liberal media doesn't seem to self-correct very much.
It seems to double down when its problems and its hypocrisies are exposed.
These people are so high on their own supply, they can't imagine that anyone else would take what someone like Richard or someone like you, James, has to say seriously.
And so often in interviews, they print exactly what we say.
So that was the strategy that he took, and it helped get the alt-right out there.
Now is different.
Now we are known.
We don't have to work anymore to get the recognition and the web hits.
Actually, if you compare the web hits that a video at alt-right.com gets to a video that, say, a very well-funded outlet like Huffington Post or just pick one, name it.
The videos that Richard and Greg have started to do over the past month or so have gotten 50 to 100,000 hits almost the moment that they go up.
We don't need the media anymore.
We have to remember that and we can simply do without them.
So they're always going to cover an event like this weekend.
But we don't need to help them in that.
We can get the story out ourselves.
We have enough people and we can develop the outlets and the resources through which to do that.
So, you know, if you're observing what happened, if you're frustrated with the media, and if you're frustrated a little bit with us for involving ourselves a bit with the media, I understand.
I actually, there was an article printed by the Detroit Free Press complaining about me not letting in a lot of media.
Some of them managed to speak in.
But I told a lot of outlets straight out that no, we just don't need you this time.
We're going to be doing more in the future.
Hey, hey, thank you for that.
And I appreciate that, especially that meeting up in Detroit.
You know, we had our run-ins with them as well, quite well publicized.
Evan McLaren, thank you so much and congratulations on everything going on behind the scenes for NPI and In Your Life, National Policy Institute, everybody.