Dec. 2, 2017 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, I told you folks, I came into the radio station tonight with the purpose of reminding everyone why for the past 13 years this radio program has been the voice of the dissident and dispossessed majority.
And I think we've come pretty close covering the Britain first Trump retweets with one of the original co-founders of that party, a man, Andy McBride, who is staying up past midnight in London to be with us live this evening.
And then we covered a lot of news in the second hour of interest to our fans.
And then, of course, you just heard from Jack Ryan.
And now, really a man who is much more than a great guest, although he's certainly that.
He is, well, I mean, he's one of my best friends.
And he is an accomplished attorney, an orator, an author, and more.
Sam Dixon.
And well, let's just welcome him right there with that.
Sam, how are you?
Well, I'm flattered.
How are you?
Well, I'm doing good.
I'm always doing good when I...
I wondered who you were talking about.
Ha ha ha.
Come on now.
You know better than that.
I always enjoy talking to you.
As Churchill said of Clement Attlee, I'm a very humble man with much to be humble about.
I think I've actually used that before because you've used that so many times over the years.
I've taken it upon myself when someone offers me flattery.
But that's no flattery.
That's the truth in your case.
And I enjoy talking to you on the radio.
I certainly enjoy talking with you off the air as we did last night and spending time with you even more.
But you're back on the show tonight, one of our favorite regular guests.
When I made an announcement that you would be on tonight, it got a lot of excited feedback, especially with the topic at hand.
You had written, submitted a statement of facts to another attorney by the name of Timothy Heefey, who had been assigned by the city of Charlottesville to conduct a quote-unquote independent review of the Unite the Right rally.
So you submitted the statement of facts to him.
It was republished this week by VDARE.com.
Our mutual friend and acquaintance, Peter Brimilow, posted that to VDARE.
I read that, immediately called you to get you on the show.
What I didn't know was that Hefe's report was going to also be released yesterday on Friday.
And I think in many ways that report effectively disintegrated the establishment media's narrative about what happened on that fateful day in August in Charlottesville.
But before we get to the Heefey report, let's talk about yours.
Break down the content of that, as I'm calling it, a statement of fact that you submitted to Timothy Heefe to, I guess, inform him as he was doing his research and conducting his investigation about this report that he was writing.
Yeah, see, he was hired by the city to do an independent report, an independent investigation.
And I was dubious from the get-go.
I mean, lawyers are the client.
They are their clients' mouthpieces.
And I felt that given the political realities and this sort of thing and who was paying its bills, it would probably be an exoneration.
But I also knew that I felt that we had to cooperate.
A lot of people didn't feel that way.
A lot of people refused to talk to him.
But I talked to him and I got a couple of other people who were willing to give statements.
They wanted to take oral statements, which I didn't want.
I wanted to create a written record where if the report had been as I anticipated it was going to be, we would have a written body to which to refer in dealing with the media and pointing out that the report did not deal with what we had submitted in writing.
But actually, the report turned out to be surprisingly good.
I'm very impressed with him.
I hope he doesn't have any kind of negative repercussions because it's a pretty honest report.
But I gave a summary.
If you look at him, V-Dair, you'll see what it is.
I give a summary of my own experiences at that day and what I saw and what I experienced and what I observed going on.
And then I concluded it with about five or six points that I said that the report would have to address if it was to be a genuine, honest report.
Things like, you know, why did the police stand down?
You know, who gave the order for them to stand down?
You know, why there was not preparation for the Antifa when we know what they are.
They're not new.
They are active in the elections, attacking people, including elderly women attending Trump meetings.
Why was the anti-mask law not enforced against the Antifa?
Who gave the orders to let them wear masks because they perpetrated their crimes?
On and on, things like that.
Why were they permitted to have two rallies while the city tried to shut ours down?
Anyway, the report is quite good.
It does not praise us, obviously.
No one could expect that.
But the report does point out that in one instance, as Jared called my attention to these two things, one of the things he points out is that there was a female cop who reported that things were getting out of hand where she was, and she called for backup.
Instead, she was ordered, just get in your car and leave.
Just get out.
Let them fight it out.
And the black chief of police in Charlottesville is quoted as telling people, no, just let them fight, which in reality meant let the Antifa attack the people trying to attend the rally.
Because as I'm sure all of your readers, your listeners already know or anticipate, there was virtually no crime on the part of our side.
We were set upon by these people who committed crimes against us.
But these are all very good things.
And in stark contrast to a report that came out earlier this week by the state government, which is just a laughable joke, they claimed that there was a widespread misperception that the police didn't enforce the law.
Well, you got that right.
There sure is a widespread perception, and that is what happened, and nobody can deny it.
And that report blamed any problems with police enforcement to confusion and uncertainty on the part of the police, that their orders were not clear.
Well, that's nonsense, too.
If things are uncertain, people don't act in unison.
If you've got an optimist club Christmas party at the Olive Garden, and somehow it's not certain which olive garden in the city is going to host it, some people are going to go to one olive garden and some go to the other.
In this case, hundreds and hundreds of police officers over an area of over two square miles all did exactly the same thing.
That is not the result of uncertainty.
That is a result of being ordered to stand down.
And we still don't know who gave that order, but in fact, they denied that such an order existed.
But such an order has to have existed.
Folks, if you read one thing in the next week, if you read one thing between now and Christmas, perhaps other than the Gospel of Luke and the first Christmas story, let it be Sam Dixman, Sam Dixon's expose on what it was like, a first-person accounting of what it was like for him to experience the events of the day in Charlottesville at the Unite the Right rally.
It has been republished or published, I should say, at VDARE.com.
I think a day or two ago, you can go to VDARE.com tonight and read it after we get off the air.
But it was originally the statement of facts that Sam submitted to the attorney that was assigned with conducting this independent investigation on behalf of the city of Charlottesville about what happened there at Unite the Right.
Read it.
We're talking about it.
We'll talk more about it right after this.
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If you want to read what I believe is a definitive and comprehensive accounting of what it was like to be there in Charlottesville on that day that the Unite the Right rally was held, you could do no better than read Sam Dixon's accounting.
Again, he originally wrote this to help inform the independent investigator who was preparing a summation, I guess you could say, for the city of Charlottesville.
But in this, Sam leaves no detail uncovered.
He talks about what it was like arriving there, where they had to park, getting on the bus, being transported, being basically let out of the bus into the jaws of the Antifa, appealing to the police for help that would not come.
All of it is there.
You have to read it.
And that's what we're talking about tonight.
It is at VDARE.com.
The title of it, Sam Dixon's statement to Charlottesville Inquiry, the police were acting under orders who gave those orders.
Now, that still has not been definitively determined, but it was submitted to Timothy Heefe, an attorney at law who was conducting an independent review on behalf of the city of Charlottesville.
There's been, of course, an update to this since VDARE itself posted the article from Sam.
On Friday, the independent report from Timothy Heefe had been published, and the Charlottesville narrative has collapsed, according to V-DARE.
I agree with that assessment.
Heefey confirms Sam Dixon.
The byline reads, the police were told to let them fight it out.
Of course, though, Sam, even though so much of what we have been saying since August, and I think this radio program, if I do say so myself, had a definitive, if not the definitive, boots on the ground report, we had so many people who were there.
We actually broadcast, of course, we're a weekly show on Saturday night.
We broadcast, and that just happened to be the day that the Unite the Right rally was held.
We had a dozen eyewitnesses on the show that night, minutes, hours after the event happened, and we got the truth out there.
This Heefe report, by and large, confirms our side of the story, which is the fact-based and factual and truthful side of the story.
Will this at all resonate in the press at large, though, Sam?
No, I think that there'll be very little attention paid.
They've planted their narrative in people's minds, and unfortunately, it will stay there.
And we can try to undermine the public misperception that's been caused by the media.
But, you know, we reach maybe double digits, but they reach 80%.
And as you also know, they are moving to try to make it impossible for us to use things like Twitter and the internet.
They're trying to ban us from that so that only the mainstream media and the extreme left will be able to get their message out.
They want to return to the way America was.
When I was a child in the 1950s, when you only had three television networks and they all had identical editorial policies and they all suppressed things that were harmful to the system and promoted what the system later heard, they want to get back to that.
They hate the internet.
They hate the democratization, the leveling of the playing field where everybody's views can get out and things like this report can be publicized instead of just dropped into the filing cabinet the way they would like.
But, you know, they've gotten their story out.
You know, their story is unbelievable.
They're trying to shore themselves up.
There was an earlier report, as I indicated this week, where they're trying to claim that it was a misperception that the police did protect people.
That's just laughable.
You can see online that 27 hours after the police illegally disbanded the rally at Lee Park, one of the organizers of the rally, Jason Kessler, tried to hold a press conference.
And in this case, there's no confusion.
The media like to create confusion by showing fighting and then talking about the neo-Nazis and the white racists and stuff and implying that we were the ones doing the attacking.
But that was never true.
But in this case, there was just one guy, Kessler, up trying to give his press conference, and he's attacked by a mob of 60 people who first shout him down, and then eventually they just get up on the podium and start attacking him.
And you can see 20 cops standing around like wooden Indians, making no effort to protect the freedom of the press and freedom of speech from this violent leftist mob.
So, no, it is not a misperception.
And they are going to have problems to people who inquire what happened there.
But they will probably have some success in implanting their version of the story.
Well, you would think that being vindicated by an attorney that was commissioned by the city itself of Charlottesville for an independent report on the happenings of that day, that he, by and large, vindicated the participants that were there to attend the rally.
You can say he vindicated us.
He pointed, he discussed the failures of the city, honestly.
I'm sure Mr. Hefe has no great brief.
No, no, no.
Correct.
He didn't say these people were innocent, but he did point to what the problem was, which was the failure to preserve law and order.
And that's a point that I made in my statement.
You know, I think most of us, I hope most of us, are sorry that Heather Heyer is dead.
She was not sympathetic to us, but we certainly do not want people just to kill people that disagree with us.
And it's a tragedy that she died.
But if her family and friends are looking for who is to blame, it's not people like Jason Kessler who tried to hold a rally.
It's the governor who did not give along.
It's whoever issued the orders to the police to stand down.
It's the people who called that policewoman away and would not send reinforcements.
It's the black police chief who just said, ah, let them go at it.
Knowing, of course, that what he really meant was that the people with whom he sympathized were attacking people he hated.
They're the ones who set in motion these set of events that led to Heather Heyer's death.
The allowing people to wander around with baseball bats, wearing masks, attacking cars.
You can see that online.
That's just shocking.
And it appears that this Fields guy very likely was fleeing a baseball attack by a masked person trying to smash the windows out of his car.
You know, things like this happen when public officials like Governor McAuliffe will not fulfill the duties of their office and will not put a stop to criminal behavior.
When they withdraw police protection, things get out of hand in a mob riot, which that was by the HENIPA, unfortunately, innocent people in the crossfire get hurt.
But he's the guy that's to blame mostly for this tragedy.
It's Governor McAllister who's to blame.
When talking about the death of Hire, no one, and I find this interesting, no one has heard anything from or about James Fields since the day of his arrest, which who knows what's going on there, and it doesn't pay to speculate.
But you're right.
I mean, obviously, this Hefe report was not, he wasn't in the tank for the rallygoers, but he's not.
I think any there was just some honesty, some objective honesty.
And that's really more than we can come to expect in the media or in a court of laws.
You would think that the city's hand-picked guy would just be in the tank for them, that there was any semblance of honesty, I consider it to be somewhat of a vindication.
But you're right.
It wasn't as if it was just a glowing endorsement of a rally.
Yeah, and you can do, you know, when you were in high school, you probably had English teachers that told you to write an essay, compare and contrast.
Did you ever do that?
Oh, yes.
Compare and contrast.
Well, let's do a compare and contrast between Heefe and the other public officials, people in public.
You had the U.S. Senator from Florida saying that the violence was justified.
Marco Rubio said this okay in his official statement for mobs to attack people with whom they disagree.
Sam, hold on right there.
We're coming up on a break.
If you can stay with me for just a couple more minutes after these words, we'll let you fly.
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Okay, one last segment with the great Sam Dixon.
And Sam, I've got three questions, three important questions, and so we'll go through them as quickly as possible to make sure that we can get to all of them.
And I hate to even bring up the name of this organization because we've both suffered because of our imagined association with them.
But one of the things that was pointed out from a listener in Texas was that the city of Charlottesville took a lot of heat for basically securing and doing what they were supposed to have done when a group claiming to be a faction of the Klan appeared in Charlottesville a couple of weeks prior to the Unite the Right.
And by that, I mean the city of Charlottesville kept the two groups apart.
They did what you would have expected them to do.
They didn't play favorites.
They just maintained the rule of law and the peace of everyone that was on the ground that day.
Well, they caught so much heat for that.
Do you think that that in any way had bearing on their lack of action in Charlottesville at the Unite the Right event?
I would think probably not.
Charlottesville is an extremely left-wing town.
That particular area of Western Virginia voted three to one.
Hillary Clinton is the home of the University of Virginia.
Like most universities, it has no diversity in ideology.
It's totally hostile.
It really doesn't educate.
It just catechizes people and the official government doctrines.
Those people, you know, I don't think it's a question they're responding to heat.
I think it's that they actively wanted to destroy freedom of speech for us.
Well, no, that's all true.
I agree with you.
But in the very same city, the very same police department provided protection for a group claiming to be the Klan.
So why would they provide protection then and not for the Unite the Right rallygoers?
Again, your answer is your guess is as good as mine.
And more prominent people.
The Klan is something which they can use.
It's something that brings them profit.
It's something the system can always use to promote their product.
That's fair.
That's fair.
That's a fair answer.
And your guess is as good as mine, but it was interesting because those two events, one obviously much, one event much more prominent and much more well-attended, much more prominent people than the other.
But they did hope happen in the same town within a few days of each other.
Now, speaking of using, is there any way that the good guys in this case could use the findings of Heafy?
Should there be a press conference with some of the principals who were in attendance at Unite the Right or some of the organizers?
Is there any way that they should try to draw increased attention to this?
Because otherwise, the media is just going to pretend as though it never existed and completely disregard this report.
Would that be advisable or would that be a bad move?
I don't know.
I think they should kind of have press conferences.
And I think V-DAIRE, organizations like V-DAIRE, American Renaissance, you and he and everybody else should do everything we can with Twitter accounts and Facebook to draw attention to this.
And also to draw attention to what I was saying before about Senator Marco Rubio.
They like to talk about the lawlessness of the South in the 1950s, which is mostly malarkey.
I dare say I don't think they could ever find a Southern governor or senator or congressman or even a county commissioner who ever made a statement like the one that Marco Rubio, a so-called Republican conservative, made saying that the violence of the antifile was justified, that people with your views and mine, people whose views on race are really the same as Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson's, that it's okay and even justified,
commendable for violence and for crimes to be committed against them.
That's an extraordinary statement for a U.S. Senator.
And it's extraordinary how the New York Times and the mainstream media gave him a pass on that.
Imagine if Ross Barnett or George Wallace had ever made a statement that, oh, when King talks about racial equality, it's understandable people going to attack him and beat him up and try to kill him.
And that's really a good thing.
Nobody ever said that.
It's Marco Rubio that said that.
And it's the New York Times and all things considered an NPR that are implicitly endorsing that by giving him a pass on it.
I'm glad you brought that up, Sam.
That was something that I had not thought about bringing to the table tonight during your appearance.
And I'm glad that you worked that in.
I would ask you this.
It is remarkable.
I mean, I guess I am so numb.
I'm becoming, if I ever had any naivete or idealism when I first got involved in my teens and early 20s, I'm becoming increasingly jaded and cynical as now I have a knock on the door of 40.
But if you had asked either me or you what to have expected from the Heafey report, we would have probably said it's going to be the worst possible thing imaginable.
But it wasn't.
But I would ask you this: what do you think we can expect from the upcoming trials that are still to come in Charlottesville, the FBI investigation and the federal grand jury?
There's still a lot of things in the pipeline in Charlottesville that have not yet resolved themselves.
What do you think is going to happen there?
Well, it's no way to tell.
I don't think that any kind of FBI thing will go anywhere because if they had an investigation to report what they found, it wouldn't be good for the system.
And the FBI basically lies for the system.
They and the CIA are basically the system's secret police.
They're the political police.
So they're not going to report anything that happened.
I would love to see congressional hearings on it since the Congress is all excited about it and all the congresspersons all have their panties in a wad about it.
But they also are not holding any hearings because they clearly know who actually committed the violence, and they want to go along and play with the media.
So I don't think much will come.
I think the suits will be lost.
I think it's possible that Fields will be acquitted.
They've got to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
I think given the fact that he was fleeing people who were attacking him with baseball bats and wearing masks, it's understandable that it probably was just a wreck.
And I think the civil suits will probably fall by the wayside also.
The League of the South has hired a lawyer up there who seems to be very competent and who has moved to dismiss one of these suits.
And I've read the pleading is brilliantly done with the assistance of Kyle Bristow, who's an excellent lawyer.
And if they get a fair shake at the court, that conspiracy lawsuit should be dismissed.
So, you know, we just have to sort of sit and see what's going to happen.
I had hoped that there would be a federal civil rights suit against McAuliffe and Mayor Signer.
I think that Jason Kessler is working on one of those, but I'm not as optimistic now about the suit actually being filed and being successful.
Yeah, Jason Kessler has reached out.
I will have him back on this show before the end of the month to see what's going on there.
We're going to give everybody a fair shake and a fair hearing on here, and we will see.
He had an interesting factoid, by the way.
Somehow or another, through Open Records Act or requests or something like that, he found out that the city manager made a bunch of phone calls, he says, after the hearing on Friday, when the federal court told Charlottesville that it could not suspend the First Amendment rights of people who were going to the rally and the city had to allow the rally to take place, the city manager got on his phone and he made numerous calls to burner phones,
to trash phones, throwaway phones, that you can't find out who the people were he was talking to.
It's going to be interesting if you might ask him about that.
Who were these people?
How did he get their telephone numbers?
Were they the anti-file?
Was he playing hand in hand as an asset for the monkey film?
I would bet.
That's an interesting question, Sam.
I would bet if all truth came to the light of day and you had a vigorous and truly unbiased investigation into both sides, I bet you would find corruption and cover-up and scandal on behalf of the government of Virginia and Charlottesville that would knock your socks off.
I bet we can't even imagine the things that they did to try to.
Absolutely.
And that's why I don't think you're going to have the investigation.
Look at Congress.
I mentioned Rubio.
He had the most outrageous statement.
But as you know, Congress, by unanimous vote, all 535 senators and how representative, including people like Rand Paul, voted to this resolution condemning the white racists for the violence in Charlottesville.
You know, no condemnation of Marxist violence, who really was perfectly, just all on us.
But to show you just how vile this system is and how sleazy and corrupt and unrepresentative these our in quotes elected officials are.
Half these people are lawyers.
They included this resolution that was probably drafted more than given to them by the Anti-Defamation League.
It is a condemnation of Fields and a call that the death of Heather Heyer, the murder, as they call it, should be deemed to be an act of domestic terrorism.
Before any evidence has been tried yet.
Yes, these people are lawyers.
You do not comment on the guilt of a person who's pending trial.
250 of 300 of our elected officials show their total contempt for the most basic rules of ethics of their own profession in order to go show what slavish followers and obedient servants they are to powerful vested minorities at the Eddie Definition.
I couldn't think of a better way to end this interview, Sam, than that.
And they've done it again with Roy Moore, by the way.
But that is an excellent way to end this.
Thank you for coming on tonight.
Sam Dixon, everybody.
You're welcome.
Read his article at VDAIRE.com.
Walter Yerku up next to round out the show.
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Well, last week, folks, you'll remember that we brought on Walter Yerku.
And he was, of course, formerly a police officer with the 75th Precinct of the New York Police Department.
A documentary about his time there on the force has been put out by Netflix now.
It's called the 75, The 7.5.
And we talked about that last week, sort of his life story.
Had such a good time doing it.
Talked to Walter during the week.
He said, hey, let's hang out on the radio.
If you ever want somebody to come on and hang out, let's do it.
I said, you're on.
And so I talked to Walter this week off the air.
And now he's back two weeks in a woe.
Walter, how are you?
Hey, I'm doing good.
How are you, James?
I'm doing great.
Great to have you back on with us tonight.
So tonight, we're not going to talk about your life story as we did last week.
And by the way, everybody who hasn't seen the 70, the set, I keep the 75, the 7.5 on Netflix, check it out.
It's a great documentary.
But we wanted to talk about the sexual harassment epidemic.
And now it's hit Matt Lauer.
So to me, it's delicious to see the left-wingers eating their own in the media.
The diversity totem poll, in my opinion, has become so convoluted, they don't know which protected class to protect more.
I don't mind that Matt Lauer was fired, but the thing is, a lot of the stuff, I mean, some of the evidence against him was that his co-host for many years, Katie Couric, bent over and he said, nice view.
Now, that might not be the most appropriate thing for a married man to say about another woman, but if they're familiar with one another, it was kind of joking.
I don't think that's sexual harassment.
So that's what we're talking about, Walter.
It's everywhere now.
The last couple of months, everybody's being accused of sexual harassment in the media and Hollywood and politics.
I think if you draw the line so loosely, it's really going to make legitimate cases of sexual harassment or assault not as potent.
I mean, what's your take on what happened to Matt Lauer and all of these ubiquitous allegations now of sexual harassment that's just dominated the media over the course of the past month or two?
Well, anybody, I think, with power or a high seat on the board, such as Matt Lauer, you've got this Ray Moore running for Senator in Alabama and Al Franken out there in Minnesota as a senator.
You know, anybody that's in show business that's famous, you know, is susceptible to being charged with sexual harassment if they allow themselves to bait.
You saw that picture with Al Franken and that other person on the USO, the female on the USO tour, where she was sleeping and he had his hands, you know, a few inches away from her breast.
But it was a, you know, it was a photo who he thought was going to be funny.
And it probably never was.
But when you have these people that are higher up, they're afraid.
Then they're not afraid to say anything wrong because they know it's not going to come back to bite them.
They're picking on an intern, a co-worker, females I'm talking about.
And a lot of these females don't know how to react and they don't know where they can go.
They don't know what the mechanism is to report this.
All they know is these stories that they hear.
Well, if you say that we'll use Mr. Lauer, for lack of a better guy, Mr. Lauer said, oh, nice view.
They don't know what to do with that.
They'll smile and they'll go on.
Right.
But I mean, I'm saying there's going to be some type of comeback if they say something to a higher up above Matt Lauer that they may get fired or they may be labeled as A snitch or something as ridiculous as that.
And it's unfortunate that a lot of women feel that way, that they don't have a mechanism to report.
Well, what I'm saying is, look, if it was a case of somebody grabbing a woman by the back of the neck and literally brutalizing her, that's one thing.
Inappropriateness, all of this, you could say in polite company, in Christian society, it would be better off without.
But I don't know if a lot of the things, now, you saw one where he supposedly took his pants off when somebody walked in the room.
Okay, that probably crosses a lot at work.
But, you know, it's not rape.
And I will tell you, Walter, you probably know.
I mean, you were a policeman.
You're an alpha guy.
A lot of women like authority figures flirting with them.
But now, of course, it pays to say it's sexual harassment.
What I'm getting at is I don't know how much of the, and I'm no fan of Matt Lauer.
I've never liked Matt Lauer.
But there's a difference between rape and assault and physical violence and even verbal abuse than some of the things that I've seen alleged.
Now, some of the things were across the line.
He should be reprimanded.
But some of the stuff, I don't know.
I just don't know.
If somebody feels they're being sexually harassed, it needs to be taken care of right there and then.
You can't wait 40 years and expect somebody to really take you seriously, although all cases should be taken seriously.
But for 40 years, in Mr. Moore's case down here in Alabama, you know, it's pretty hard to defend something like that.
She can say what she wants that he tried, she tried, he tried to kiss her when she was 14, when he signed her high school yearbook.
You know, that's kind of tough pill to swallow 40 years later.
Had she done it 40 years ago when he was 30 and she was 14, I think something may have come of it.
If it happened at all, which is, of course, still what has not at all been proven on either side.
I mean, I got to tell you, just personally, obviously, we've talked about this for weeks now.
To say I'm highly skeptical of the charges against him wouldn't even begin to cover it.
But in the case of Franken, where you've got a picture and Lauer obviously admitted to some of this, that's obviously a different ballgame altogether.
But when you start asking for forgiveness and you start saying that, oh, I didn't realize that I was making her feel that way, and I'm sorry she felt that way.
You know, at this point, it's empty words.
Well, and look, you get anytime for Al Franken Rinse, the senator, when he knew these pictures were out there and he knew he was doing these things.
I mean, you know, don't forget, he was running around with the people from Saturday Night Live back in the 80s and the 90s.
You know, talking about Aykroyd, Belushi, Bill Murray, you know, these guys, they had the world by their shortstrings and they were going around having fun.
And if this was part of Al Franken's fun, well, hey, shame on you.
It's coming back to bite you, buddy.
Well, that's for sure.
And, you know, talking about a basis in sexual harassment.
It's got to be described, you know, it's described different ways in different places.
You know, in the penal law, it's harassment with sexual overtones, innuendos.
It's not accepted by another person.
And when you go into a private company, they may have a handbook of rights and ways to get things done, and they may alter it in some form or fashion.
They might make it more strict.
Because if I walk into the office tomorrow and there's a lady that I've been working with for 12 years and I say, well, that's a nice top.
You know, people are going to take it two ways.
They're going to think I'm talking about her shirt, the color of a blouse, or the revealing part of it if there's well.
Hey, what about this, Walter?
Okay, let's use that example.
You walk in there, you say that.
If she's receptive to that and she likes that and she's responsive to that, well, is that sexual harassment then if she's receptive to it?
Is it only sexual harassment if it offends her?
What if she wanted your advance and she gave herself to you as a result of that?
Is it sexual harassment?
See, that's what I'm talking about.
Anytime men and women are together, you know, back in a healthier day and age, men chased women.
Now, I don't guess, I guess you have to ask permission.
I don't know what you do, but I'm married, so I don't know anymore.
And I've been married for a while now.
But it's used to you could chase girls and you could come on to them.
And if they didn't like it, they said no, and you move on and you try again.
But now, and vice versa.
Same thing, you know, coming from women.
You know, pretty soon you're going to see some men popping up saying that they were sexually harassed by their female.
Everything's interchangeable.
Right.
I mean, well, you put women, we're going to have gay men accuse straight men and vice versa.
And the same thing with women.
This isn't over by a long shot.
This last and a half or two months of this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Tip of the iceberg.
You took the words out of my mouth.
That's exactly what I was going to say.
We haven't even begun to see.
Now, everybody's getting accused.
And there's no litmus.
I mean, it can go back 40 years in the case of Moore.
You put men and women together, though, and there's going to be sexual tension.
You put them on a boat in the army.
Now women can go in the army.
Well, you know, guess what?
That battleship becomes the love boat.
That's just what's going to happen.
Now, but all of this is different than another thing we were talking about on the phone.
We should have had you for two segments tonight.
I'm looking at the clock.
We got like a minute left.
That's not nearly enough time.
But Corey Feldman, now, those allegations, you're talking about the raping of boys by Hollywood moguls.
Now, that's something that needs investigated a lot more than Matt Lauer getting fired for telling Katie Kirk she looked in Corey's interviews on TV, and he says he's reported these things as far back as 1980 and 1981.
And no one made any move on it.
And even now, with this epidemic, he's not getting a lot of action.
Right, right.
And, you know, that also goes with his kind of reputation, too.
He hadn't had the best reputation for quite some time during the 90s and early 2000s.
But now he's come to light and he's the first guy that's jumped up and said, hey, this is what's going on, too.
Yeah, he really actually got out.
That's a good point.
He got out in front of this.
He was doing this right before.
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Wow, Walter, I wish we had more time tonight.
We'll do better next time.
But listen, hey, folks, watch Walter's movie, The 7-5, on Netflix.
And we'll just have to leave it at that because we're out of time.
It's commercial radio.
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Walter, thank you, buddy, to all the other guests for my staff and team.