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Feb. 4, 2017 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, going across the South and worldwide, as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, people, I'm really glad to have you tonight.
Really glad to be here helping Sam.
I'm glad to be running the Political Cesspool tonight.
As Sam said in the beginning of the first hour, James Edwards is out on a much-needed vacation with his lovely wife, Danny, and his two children.
Sam's right now, he's what we're doing right now.
We're going to get our next guest up.
Sam's getting him up.
And I'm really excited to be having him.
He is a pastor.
He's a Baptist, a pastor of a Baptist church, but he's not just any Baptist church.
This is what they call an independent Baptist church.
He has a church, the Mountain View Independent Baptist Church, located in Custer, South Dakota.
And what we're going to do, we're going to get him to break down his book.
He published a book.
It's a really good book, too.
I haven't been able to read all of it, read some of it, but he's been on multiple talk shows.
He's been on Text Mars's shows.
You people might be familiar with Text Mars.
He wrote a book called Who is Israel?
And what he's going to do, he's going to break it down.
He's going to tell us, actually, I guess it's kind of like what James liked to use, the term rhetorically speaking.
I know who Israel is.
I know who the real Israelites are.
But for some of the people in our audience that don't know, he's going to tell us what does it mean to be an Israelite?
Who is Israel?
He's going to talk about eschatology.
And he might briefly touch upon the, what I call just junk, the so-called tribulation, the pre-trib, post-trib rapture, and all that garbage.
He may touch upon some of that.
He's going to talk about eschatology.
And another thing he's going to talk about is dispensationalism.
And, you know, I really have no use for that dispensationalism at all.
Another thing he's going to do is talk about when he comes on.
I hope he has time.
He can talk about the old Schofield Bible.
You know, people, you might know I left a Baptist church, a Southern Baptist church.
It tore my heart out because, you know, I got, I don't like to use the word saved, but as a Baptist would say, I was saved in a Southern Baptist church.
I prefer to say I had my salvation there.
It happened two months before my 62nd birthday, February the 8th of 2009.
And I tell you what, it was a miraculous on-the-spot conversion.
And the pastor there, I won't use his name now because I have in the past, and I think it's caused a rip between me and my pastor.
But I can't go to that church anymore.
I can no longer go to a Southern Baptist church because they are part of this Schofieldism stuff.
They like to talk about their old Schofield Bible.
You know, and I point out to them, your old Schofield Bible is barely over 100 years.
This guy, Schulfield, you know, he was a reprobate.
He was an alcoholic.
He left his wife.
He was a womanizer.
But he totally perverted the word of God.
In the Schofield Bible.
Well, Pastor Matt, are you with us?
Yes.
Hey, I was just, I think I just gave up about a fourth of your show.
I don't know.
But listen, I was just telling people, people, we have this, this is the pastor I was telling you about.
His name is Matt First.
Like I said earlier, he is with the Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, South Dakota.
Now, like I told him, Pastor, it's not just an ordinary run-of-the-mill Baptist church, like a Southern Baptist Church.
This is an independent Baptist church.
And like I was telling the audience, Pastor, before you came out, I left a Southern Baptist church, and Pastor Matt will understand why.
Well, listen, I'm going to shut up.
Pastor Matt First has been on several talk shows I know.
Pastor, I told him that you were going to talk about your book, Who is Israel.
I outlined a few things that you're probably going to cover tonight.
He was on Text Marriage.
If you want to go takes on Text Mars show.
Also, before I forget, we're going to plug you right off the bat.
Don't let me forget to plug your book later on in your website for the commercial.
But Pastor Matt, like we talked about earlier, I didn't get you on the first hour.
I wanted you to come on the first hour and open the program with a prayer, but it's never too late to open with a prayer.
Pastor Matt, if you will, would you please say a prayer and include blessing the political assess pool, the staff, and our listeners in our nation.
And I don't have to tell you how to say a prayer, but Pastor Matt, if you will, would you open the second hour with a prayer?
Sure.
Let's pray.
Lord, we thank you for your grace, your mercy.
We thank you for salvation.
We thank you for the fact that we can be born again through belief and trust, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
We ask that you would just guide the words that we say here on this show.
We ask that you would pray, that you would, we would pray for the staff here at this radio station, for Eddie, myself, and for so many listeners out there, that they would learn, and most importantly, that they would be pointed towards you and your kingdom.
We do pray for our country, our nation, our world.
We ask that you would help us to not forget the great commission, to win the lost, and to be ever positive and optimistic and mindful of the fact that no matter what happens in this world, you're still coming, and your kingdom will come.
And we thank you for it in Jesus' name.
Amen.
Amen.
That's a big amen to there.
You know, Pastor Matt, Sam and I were just talking the first hour.
We don't just try to maintain the moral high ground.
The moral high ground, and I'm not bragging, I'm not, you know, crowing to be a big Christian at all.
But I think having the moral high ground, like me and Sam said, it's just kind of like our genetics.
It's just who we are.
We try to live it, unlike the left.
Well, I told him, audience, Pastor Matt, that you published this book.
It's a dynamite book.
I mean, Texe Marrs just raved about it.
And it's called, Who is Israel?
With that, Pastor Pastor.
Yes, and go ahead.
Who is Israel, Pastor Matt?
Tell us a little bit about your book.
Well, there's a real misunderstanding of who is Israel.
The back of the book basically says this.
The answer to this question will determine one's understanding of end-time events.
In fact, the correct answer to this question could solve the current Middle East crisis.
Truth be told, the biblical answer to this question will one day determine everything.
And so I decided to use this title for the book because I think it is the ultimate question.
In my conversation with another pastor who produced a video about the tribulation, I told him, I said, until we understand, until we settle the issue of Israel, we'll never settle the debate of pre-trib, post-trib, and all that.
Because who is Israel is the elephant in the room.
And the confusion starts there.
The Bible tells us, in more than one place, who is a Jew and who is a child of Abraham.
And the Bible tells us they that are in Christ, the same are the children of Abraham.
Galatians said the promise was to Abraham and his seed singular.
Galatians chapter 3.
Paul points out that it was to the seed, singular, Christ himself.
And so they that are in Christ, the same are the children of Abraham.
Pastor Reggie, you're talking to a lady in our church go about this subject.
Hey, Pastor.
I hear that we're going to a commercial now, Pastor.
We're going to bring you right back.
We have to go to a money-making commercial.
We'll be right back.
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Hey, Pastor Matt.
Well, listen, I'd like to apologize for a little.
We had a little technical difficulty there.
I'm sure that our listening audience could tell.
I was trying to slow you up with the commercial.
Me and Sam both were having a hard time connecting back with you.
But I'd like to ask you to please indulge that.
I think Sam's got it picked up right now.
I'd like to also, before you go further, to thank you for saying that prayer.
Sam, James Edwards, and myself, we've often said that if we can use our show, the political cesspool, as an instrument to be used by God, if he can use us, then, you know, that's what we want to do, even if we didn't prosper.
But I think, you know, as long as we can get God on our side, we're going to prosper.
But without God, if we don't, you know, nothing a man can do, if we don't have, if he doesn't have a God in his corner, he's going to fail.
But all that being said, I'm going to thank you again and let you go right back where you was.
And I'm sorry for the interruption for the technical difficulty and for having to cut you off for the commercials.
Sure, no problem.
I'm not sure exactly where I got cut off, but I'll go ahead and just keep going.
Okay, go ahead.
Dispensationalism really got started or took off with the Schofield Reference Bible about 100 years ago.
And C.I. Schofield was quite a suspicious character himself.
I'm not even sure he was truly a Christian.
I do know for a fact he was quite a shyster and a lawyer, which he was a crooked lawyer, and he was in and out of jail.
His wife divorced him.
And he was filling in as the pastorate in a church in Texas when his wife divorced him all the way from Kansas.
When he died, the newspapers in Kansas basically said the shyster, the rat, is dead.
And he was then called to be the permanent pastor of that church.
He remarried a woman in the church, and the church never batted an eye.
It didn't seem to bother them at all.
That church is called the Schofield Memorial Church.
I can't remember what town it's in.
Schofield himself was never a Baptist, but today, so many Baptists embrace him as a Jesus.
He was never a Baptist, and so many Baptists embrace him as if he was some sort of icon or hero in their religion or in their faith.
And I don't understand all that.
It's before my time, but it's amazing to see how it has happened.
I think Satan is behind it.
I think we have to remember in talking about conspiracies that Satan is the ultimate conspirator.
And I do believe that he will have his way for a while.
And Revelation indicates that to us, that Satan will have some freedom to manipulate and control this globe.
However, the believers in Christ are the winners in the end, and we need to remember that.
Read all the way to the last page.
Well, Pastor, let me ask you a quick question.
Not to interrupt you.
Hold that thought.
Now, was this guy Darby out of Scotland, a renegade?
Yeah.
Kind of a renegade.
What was he?
Presbyterian?
Did he get kicked out of the Presbyterian church?
Did Schofield get some of his, I'd call it this renegade, I call it satanic reality from Darby.
Darby was part of the Plymouth Brethren, and he and the Plymouth Brethren even parted ways.
A very well-known Christian, George Mueller, famous as an orphanage and director of an orphanage in England, he and Darby had serious parting of the ways, and Darby just chastised everybody, and he was just a dictator.
But Darby's the one that pretty much came up with the pre-tribulation theology and the dispensationalism that spread into America through James Brooks, who then passed it on to Schofield.
But it really took off when Schofield had Oxford University Press print his Schofield Reference Bible with lots of notes, of which I doubt Schofield was really the original editor of a lot of those notes.
And I suspect that even Zionists had something to do with that.
I don't know how an unnamed guy like Schofield, who really didn't have any money, could have all of a sudden become part of this Lotus Club in New York City, of which Samuel Untermeyer and other influential people were members at the time.
But all of a sudden, Schofield Reference Bible comes rolling off the press.
Schofield gets very wealthy.
And oh, by the way, he never does support his wife or his children from his first marriage, even after he was wealthy with this Bible.
But it took off.
And I think what really cemented the Schofield Reference Bible as prophetic, quote unquote, in the eyes of evangelical Christians and local churches was the fact that a few decades after the Schofield Reference Bible came out, 1948 happened, and the second coming of Israel took place, the rebirth of the nation.
And so I think that Satan used the notes of the Schofield Reference Bible, along with current events, to convince the general Christian population that, hey, this book is right.
We're on target.
And so all common sense and scripture went out the window.
And what we find today is people are actually believing the Schofield notes rather than the Bible itself.
The Bible says, don't add to the word or take away from the word.
And yet, the Schofield Reference Bible literally is two Bibles in one.
You've got this text on top, then you've got the explanation or the repositioning of the text at the bottom with the notes.
And in 1967, they even did an edition, and they call it the new Schofield Reference Bible.
And of course, Schofield was long dead, but other dispensationalists took it up and even changed it to be more slanted in a Zionist direction.
In fact, the new Schofield Reference Bible just comes out and says that anti-Semitism is a sin.
I'm glad you mentioned that.
If you don't mind me, Chamoni, it sounds to me like this, the Schofield Bible, and the birth of Israel in 1967, 68, might have been what they call a self-fulfilling prophecy because you mentioned something.
You know, during the communist takeover in the Soviet Union and Russia in 1917, 1918, these same Jews were working there in Russia then.
There was a struggle, if you know this or not, there was a struggle for the soul, according to Churchill.
Winston Churchill wrote a paper in 1920 that said there was a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people between Zionism, communism, and Judaism.
And of course, Churchill was certainly no saint.
I don't have much use for his church show, but he did say some correct things.
He said he hoped that they would go to Judaism.
I always would have wanted them to go to Christianity.
But, you know, we had at the same time, we had this Benjamin Disraeli guy who was prime minister of England, and he was working along behind the scenes.
He even worked with the Nazis later on fast forwarding in time to get this state, this outlaw state of Israel situated over there in Palestinian territory.
But I hope I didn't interrupt too much, but you were punching some hot buttons there because you were right on the money.
I think it was kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
They knew all along that they were working behind the scenes going all the way back to the turn of the century, the turn of the 19th, 20th century, 1900, that they were going to try to set this Israel up.
But I'll shut up now, Pastor, let you continue on.
Sure.
And again, I want to always point back to Satan himself.
I think Satan works behind the scenes with people who are blinded.
And, you know, Ted Pike pointed out that why should we be surprised that we find this group of people, the natural Jewish people, the physical descendants, quote-unquote, or the people who call themselves Jews, behind a lot of treachery or debauchery or filth, as in Hollywood and politics and government positions, things like that.
Why should we be surprised that there is a connection to communism and socialism and all the things that seem to be tearing our world apart when these people return to the world?
Oh, Pastor, what are you talking about?
Pastor, here's the music coming again.
It seems like we have only been going 90 seconds between this proposal.
It sounds like we've got another commercial coming up, Pastor.
I'll be right back in a new commercial.
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Well, good evening out there, everybody.
I hope you're having a great Saturday.
I hope a lot of you people are sitting around here listening to people live.
We have a great guest on tonight.
We have a pastor out of South Dakota, out of Cusper, South Dakota.
He's with a Bountain View Baptist Church out there.
Like we said earlier, it's not any old Baptist church.
It's an independent Baptist church, totally unlike the Southern Baptist church here that have been infiltrated in the South.
One of the churches I used to.
And listen, I would like to, before we go any further, the pastor's talking about a book.
For any of you people that might have tuned in late, we've got the pastor on from South Dakota.
He wrote a book entitled Who is Israel?
It's a fantastic book.
It's a very educational book.
Texmars himself said it's the best book on Israel that he's ever heard.
And before we go any further, I'd like to ask the pastor to tell us how can we get that book.
How can we go to his website?
He also, the pastor also has a commercial in this book.
Maybe I can get James or Sam to put it up on the website later.
But if you go to, if you have a pen there, I still use a pen and paper.
I'm an old-fashioned guy.
If you go to www.whoisisrael, you can pull up a commercial that'll tell you a little bit about this great book that Pastor Matt First has published.
And Pastor, could you add anything to that to plug your book?
This book needs to get out there.
And I appreciate you coming.
I hope you can sell a million of these books.
How can these people get the book?
Plug this book and plug your website, Pastor.
Whoisisrael.org.
Whoisisrael.org.
If you just type in a search engine, Whois Israel, there's not too many books called that.
You write whoisisrael.org or amazon.com.
If you want to buy it from Amazon, just go to Amazon.
It's also on Kindle.
You can get the e-book version of this book.
There are over 400 footnotes in this book references.
A lot of them have an internet link, and the e-book ties you right into the internet immediately.
And so you can tap on the link and see where I got the information from if that's available.
But anyhow, there's an e-book version or there's the hardback version or I should say paperback version.
And you're able to get it at either whoisisrael.org, Amazon.com, and I believe TexMars also sells it.
I sent a copy to him last year, and he said he read it in one sitting and then called me right away and wanted to talk about it.
I just want to get back to what we were saying earlier.
You mentioned Pastor, let me ask you one more thing.
Before we go, I don't want to interrupt you, but before we get too far off topic, I want to ask you to explain who is Israel?
Who is an Israelite?
Who is the son of Abraham, etc.?
Keep those ideas in the back of your head.
I don't want to forget that.
We want to explain, want you to explain who is Israel, who is an Israelite, and who is the son of Abraham before we get through with our conversation.
Before we run out of time, go ahead.
Yeah, let me just go ahead.
Romans chapter 2, verse 28 says, For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly.
Neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh.
But he is a Jew which is one inwardly.
And circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans chapter 9 and verse 6 says, they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.
That's a really strange way of saying it.
But in other words, not all the physical are the spiritual.
And then we get to John chapter 3, where Jesus tells Nicodemus, a Jew himself, a ruler of the Jews, a Pharisee, you must be born again.
And so even your physical birth doesn't do you any good unless you are born again.
So it really, it's a new point.
It doesn't matter what lineage you can prove.
And I do believe heritage is important, but certainly not spiritually or eternally important because what most matters is being born again, being saved and adopted into the family of God.
Galatians chapter 3 tells us that they that are in Christ, the same are the children of Abraham.
There's neither Jew nor Greek.
There's neither bond nor free, neither male nor female.
You're all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
It's according to the promise.
And so Isaac is as plain, as you can say it.
You know, I don't want to cut you off, but you got me really excited.
I mean, you can't say it any plainer than that.
You know, your lineage, you know, your stinking lineage matters zero to the Lord Jesus, to God.
You know, like you said, you know, what use of circumcision if you don't have this circumcision in the heart?
You're absolutely right.
Galatians 3, I've tried to explain it to so many Southern Baptists until I was hoarse.
That's one of the reasons I went.
They just cannot, for the life of me, I don't understand.
They cannot get over this.
You know, we almost have to worship Israel.
You almost have to worship the Jew, you know, like Christ sits to the right hand of the Jew.
Not the other way around with them.
But you that is just right.
Pastor, I think that is as plain.
You could not say anything plainer than that.
John the Baptist kind of worked.
John the Baptist said, you know, God is able to raise up children from rocks.
Don't, you know, you're not special because you have a physical pedigree.
You know, they had become so proud of what they thought made them the chosen ones and the children of God.
And Jesus shattered that.
And that's what angered them the most.
And that's why they were so angry.
And they saw the political danger that Jesus was to these Jewish rulers.
And they demanded him to be crucified.
But it was all, of course, in God's ultimate plan.
And many Jews did get saved.
The Apostle Paul talks about how he used to persecute people in the Jews' religion.
But Paul was the one who wrote Galatians and some of our great books of the New Testament that we see this grace of God and adoption through our Lord Jesus Christ.
And so I have brothers and sisters in Christ that are closer to me than my physical family.
And that's because we're going to be together forever, and we think the same.
And we are adopted in the family of God.
But you know what?
These unregenerate, unsaved Jews continue to exist.
And the Bible says in 1 John that if you deny the Son, you don't have the Father.
And they are the spirit of Antichrist.
Exactly.
John who is a liar.
He said John is a liar.
That's right.
John chapter 8, Jesus was talking to these amped up Jews that were upset with him.
And the subject of lineage came up.
And they said, we're not born to fornication, indicating that they believed that he was.
They did not believe he's virgin-born.
They still do not believe he's virgin-born.
They do not celebrate Christmas over there.
But in Bethlehem, they do, but Bethlehem is part of Palestine.
And so Judaism has never recognized Christ.
They are anti-Christ.
And that is biblical.
I'm not saying that out of hatred or out of racist prejudice towards them.
They biblically fit the description of antichrist.
And it's amazing how many Baptists would throw me over a cliff just for saying that.
I've experienced that.
And you mentioned Winston Churchill.
He also said this back in 1920.
It may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent.
It would seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of antichrist were destined to originate among the same people.
And that's one of the major points in my book.
If we wrongly divide the idea of who is Israel, we are going to worship the anti-Christians rather than welcoming the Christians.
This nation of ours used to be a godly, Christ-honoring nation, but now we are a Jew-honoring nation.
Amen, brothers.
It used to be that if we cursed the name of Jesus Christ, it was extremely unacceptable in this land.
But today, it is no problem to curse Jesus, but you better not curse the Jew.
Amen.
Amen.
Pastor, I got, and I'm a big follower of text bars.
I'm not saying I disagree with text bars, but I'm putting this like I'm stronger on one point, I think, than text is.
Let's see to text one day speaking.
He said, it was not a salvational issue, so to speak, you know, this Jewish dispensationalism and Jewish chosen people.
I think it is.
I certainly think that if you're one of these Judaizers, pro-Israel, pro-Jew, Jewish first, Israel first, you know, I think, and Lord knows the Baptists, they love to slam the Catholics, they love to slam these other religions.
You know what I told them in my church?
I said, Yeah, the Catholics got their holy water and they got their Virgin Mary, and we got our Jews.
You know, we worship.
Oh, hey, let's come late.
We're going to a break, Pastor Matt.
We're going to come.
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Well, good evening, people out there, all of our friends and all of our relatives, all of our family.
I consider, you know, me, James, Sam, Keith, we all, Scoop, we all consider our listeners here in the political cesspool.
Most of all, y'all, our family, you've made that clearly manifest for years, you know, with your donations, with your letters.
We get countless e-letters.
We get countless snail mail.
I love the snail mail personally.
I love getting those letters and cards and reading them.
Some of them have me crying, you know, for the sacrifices y'all make.
We have some people that are worse off than me, even and sending in a dollar, five dollars at a time sometimes.
But it's your prayers that we love, and it's your constant encouragement and your cheerleading.
Because Lord knows, I tell you what, we catch hell on this radio station from the Democrats, from the Republicans.
We even catch hell from the Baptists, you know.
But listen, we're here, as you know, and just in case anybody tuned in late, we have Pastor Matt first here.
He's a pastor of the Mountain View Independent Baptist Church.
It's located in Custer, South Dakota.
He's a great guy, and he's, in my opinion, he's telling us straight up about Israel, the nation of Israel, the Jewish people, who is an Israelite, who is a Christian, who is not a Christian, who is a son of Abraham.
I hope you didn't, hope y'all didn't turn in late because if you did, you've missed a lot.
Pastor, with that, I'm going to get back before we go, get back going.
People, this is a great book.
The pastor's talking about it.
He publishes the name of the book is Who is Israel?
Tex Morris himself said, in case you tune in late, Tex Morris himself said this is the best book on Israel he's ever read.
He says the most definitive text like the pastor mentioned.
I heard Tex say it himself.
He got the book.
He read it in one night.
It would take me a week to read any book.
I'm slow.
But if you want to get a commercial for this book, you can go to www.whoisIsrael.
You can get this book on Amazon.
Pastor, I'm going to go back over to you.
You tell the book one more.
You plug it one more time.
You plug it better than I do, fella.
Sure.
Whoisisrael.org.
www.whoisisrael.org.
I'm going to get right back to what I was saying before the break, and that is we were taught through dispensationalism, and you learn it in your Bible colleges that the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon in the book of Revelation.
And so two years ago, I was over in Israel on a tour with some other pastors, and we went and visited the different sites, and we went to these quote-unquote holy sites of the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church there.
And we saw people, sincere, quote-unquote, Christian people, kissing the rock where they thought Jesus was laid after his crucifixion or where the cross stood in the hole in the ground.
And they had notes of prayer and veneration written and cast in different places.
And some of these other pastors stood back and kind of shook their head and tiss, tiss, tiss.
What shame, what mockery, what silliness these Catholics are.
The next day we went to the whaling wall.
And we went to the window to the wailing wall, and these same pastors put on this little round kippah hat on the back of their head, walked up to the wailing wall, and began to kiss the wall, touch the wall, pray to the wall, put little notes in the wall.
And they did not mock all the Jews who were kissing and hugging and gyrating at the wailing wall.
And I point that out in my book because we are hypocrites.
We are such hypocrites.
I don't understand the difference between the stones in that wall and the stones across the town at the other side of Jerusalem.
But for somehow, these guys think that when one party does it, it's terrible.
When the other party does it, it's so sweet and sincere.
The fact is, is that in my mind, probably most of the people over there that are praying at any kind of rock or anything like that are unsaved and need the Lord Jesus Christ.
One Baptist pastor that operates a school called Bethlehem Bible College in Palestine in the Palestinian territory outside the wall of Jerusalem.
He said, it's amazing how many tourists, how many Christian tourists from America come and venerate and take pictures and visit the stones, the old stones of Israel, but none of them ever come to visit the living stones, the true Christians, the born-again people.
And we're completely flip-flopped in our thinking.
And because we're worshiping the physical instead of the spiritual, we're now being amped up to make Jerusalem the capital.
Even the current president has said that he's interested in that.
We're amped up in seeing a third temple rebuilt, as if that's going to change anything.
And all of a sudden, this idea of a third temple and maybe animal sacrifices getting started up again.
Well, you know what the book of Hebrews says?
The book of Hebrews says it's neither by the blood of bulls and goats, but by his own blood, the Lord Jesus Christ once for all paid for the sin of the world.
And we're just so unbiblical and so goofy in our theology today because of dispensationalism and because of what we can see and handle physically versus what spiritually is truly out there.
And so the Bible indicates that the people of God are spiritual, born again.
And the flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
And one day we will leave this world and the flesh and blood will drop and we will rise spiritually to meet the Savior.
And we'll be given new glorified bodies.
And everyone clamors and there's so much fighting over the real estate called Israel, the quote-unquote holy, the quote-unquote holy land.
And yet the Bible says that we are to be looking for the new heaven and the new earth and the new Jerusalem that is to come.
And so what a waste of time Satan, through these misguided leaders and charlatans that are out there selling books like John Hagee.
But Pastor, you know what?
I'm sorry.
John Hagee, I see red when I hear his name.
I know, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry I mentioned that name.
But anyhow, Christians are sincere, but many of them in America are sincerely wrong on this subject.
And I know my book has stirred up controversy.
I have pastors who think I'm nuts, pastor friends.
I've been kicked out of a pastor's fellowship already because of this.
And yet I know it's right.
I might not be completely right.
No human being is, but my book is more right than wrong.
And I know that I'm on the right track.
That's right.
The Bible is right.
Pastor, As long as you note, tie your book to the Bible, as long as you can use scripture and quote your book, you're good to go, son.
My book is based on the scripture, and I do my very best not ever detract or take away anything from the word of God.
It is the final authority, and I state that in my book.
The Bible is accurate.
I'm just trying to explain how we've gotten away from the Bible.
You know, Pastor, you said something in the conversation the other day.
I was listening to you speak.
And you said that I think in Divinity's Bible School, that people come up and say, well, you pre-trib or you post-trib or you this trib, that trib.
And you said, well, I don't know anything about that.
All I know is I'm Bible.
I believe in the Bible.
I don't have to read all that garbage.
20 years ago, a college professor asked me, so what are you?
Are you covenant theology?
Are you dispensational?
I said, good night.
I have no idea.
All I know is I believe the Bible.
I believe the Word of God.
And after studying both sides of the issue, you know what I?
I still believe the Word of God.
That's what I am.
I'm a biblicist.
I just, I'm independent.
I just stand on what the Word of God says.
And you can label me whatever label you want, but I'm just a Bible-believing Christian.
Well, Pastor, let me ask you this question.
It's my opinion, and I said earlier, and I'll stick by it.
I believe the people, like these people over there worshiping these whitened suppulters, which white graveyards, you know, why are they dwelling?
You know, leave the dead with the dead.
I think these people that worship Israel and worship the Jews, the John Hageites, the people of the Southern Baptist churches, man, you know, I do believe it's, I think it's a salvational issue because you're elevating something above Jesus Christ.
You know, Pastor, you correct me if I'm wrong.
It's Judy Christ plus nothing.
It's not Jesus Christ plus we have to defend Israel with the last drop of our blood.
Absolutely.
Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry, go ahead, Pastor.
I question the salvation of some of these guys, especially the ones that are making big bucks selling these tours to Israel to sincere people who think that they're going to get some special blessing if they support Israel physically or if they go there and see the land or touch the stones.
I believe also that some people are misled and they think that because they've donated or they've politically supported one ethnic group of people in the Middle East versus another, that that's going to make them somehow more blessed of God.
And I do believe there are a lot of false salvations based on a false understanding.
And who is Israel?
The Lord Jesus Christ, I believe, is the original Israel.
He is the true Israel of God.
And they that are in him, that are in Christ, the same are the children of Abraham.
Isaiah chapter 49, and I explain it in my book.
Isaiah chapter 49 indicates that Jesus himself is referred to as Israel.
And I know that's kind of fascinating and probably deep, but just check it out if you want to get the book and check it out.
But that's where we've gotten off track, is that we've replaced Jesus with something else.
People accuse me of replacement theology, but the truth is they're replacing Jesus with the worship of something else, and it's called the state of Israel, the Jew.
And before we run out of time, Pastor, we're getting close to running out of time.
I want to ask you to kind of talk about, just briefly, because that's all with the time we have, between the old covenant and the new covenant.
And you said, Mayor, you talked about that Jesus was the flamed lamb.
Pastor, it sounds like we've just run out of time, Pastor.
I'm sorry to hear the music.
We're going to have to let you go.
God bless you, Pastor.
I would like to get you back on.
We couldn't cover all of it, but thank you for coming on tonight.
You've done a wonderful job.
And I'll be getting, you have my personal phone number.
I'll be getting back in touch with you soon, Pastor.
You have a good night.
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