Dec. 10, 2016 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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It's Saturday evening, December the 10th.
Here, an hour early to the station tonight.
And literally 30 seconds before going on air, we had a power surge.
So we are here scrambling to reboot some systems.
So the audio is not quite as clear as it should be.
And we'll be here in just a few minutes.
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When you're live, things happen.
And we're going to roll with the punches and get through another dynamite show of PPC this evening as we inch ever more closer to Christmas.
I want to share with you here at the top of the program tonight just a couple of notes, a couple of emails, and a programming announcement before we move on with spectacular guests over the course of the next three hours.
I got this in from a listener in Fort Worth, Texas.
Very moving.
Dear James, I live in Fort Worth.
I used to live in Austin and had to get out of there.
And just wants to let you know how much I appreciate all of you and everyone on your staff.
And I've learned a lot listening over the last few years, every Saturday night, or if I can't listen live and I'm busy to the archive the next day.
I think you're absolutely great, but I like Keith a lot too because he's so knowledgeable about everything.
I've learned so much from listening to him and really from all of you.
And I know it may be difficult to stand up for yourself and for all of us, but what you're doing is for good in this day and age of evil and insanity.
How much heat you guys get, I just couldn't do it.
I couldn't put myself out there like you do.
That's for sure.
Anyone can go along with what's popular, just the virtue signal, and get fawning but hollow approval.
But it takes extreme courage to go against the grain and to stand for what's right and to stand up for yourself.
And I've decided to start donating to your program.
And I don't usually donate to anything.
You'll have to forgive me, though.
It'll have to start next month after Christmas.
Sincerely, Mark in Fort Worth, Texas.
Well, Mark, thank you so much, brother, not just for your pledge to contribute, but for the heartwarming letter that truly is fuel and wind in our sales.
And I appreciate it.
We all appreciate it.
And I'll tell you, folks, I wanted to start off with this right now because our first quarter, or rather, the fourth quarter fundraising drive, the Christmas fundraising drive, kicked off on December the 1st.
And I'm a little concerned.
I don't know if people are still politically hungover from Donald Trump's win.
If you are, you shouldn't be because we've won nothing but an opportunity.
And we're going to have a guest on in the second hour that's going to talk about some of the underwhelming, if not outright horrible picks that he's made for his cabinet.
Certainly, I'm still excited that he beat Hillary Clinton, but there is a lot of work still to be done.
And it's going to take the organizations that are speaking out explicitly about the real issues in order to get that work done.
And of course, we've been on the tip of the spear of that particular movement for 12 years.
But we're not going to be here in 2017 if the support doesn't pick up during the month of December.
We have gotten support in already this month.
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And we may even have a surprise for you in the third hour tonight.
You know, sometimes we don't even know what's going to happen throughout the course of the show as the three hours roll on.
Who could have predicted the tower surge about 10 minutes ago, for instance?
And sometimes we have guests that come in at a moment's notice.
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I wanted to work all that in in the first segment so we can spend the rest of the time getting the job done, plowing the field.
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That's all for the announcement.
I forgot to even play Christmas music.
I even forgot to play Christmas music at the top of that last segment.
We got to start doing that here as it is in December.
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There also, of course, many great articles, including one from an insider that was at the Texas A ⁇ M speech that Richard Spencer gave.
We'll talk about that a little bit.
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Dr. Kevin McDonald, former professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach, author of several books, including The Culture of Critique and Cultural Insurrections.
Dr. McDonald currently serves as editor of the Occidental Quarterly, as well as the Occidental Observer website.
He returns to our program this evening to discuss a variety of issues, and we'll get to those with him over the course of this hour.
Kevin, welcome back.
Hey, it's great to be here, James.
I always like to be here.
I'll always like to have you, brother.
I can guarantee you that.
And this is your first appearance post-election day.
So we'll get to that in a minute.
I want to get to that in a minute.
But first, I want to, of course, you and I have been part of an email exchange back and forth concerning NPI and Richard's appearance at Texas A ⁇ M this week.
Let's start there and then we'll backtrack to Trump.
Of course, Richard was on this show two weeks ago.
I believe that was the program of the live show for November the 26th.
And so I talked with Richard for an hour at length about the NPI conference.
So we're not going to relitigate that or rehash that too much, except to say that you also were there, Kevin, as a speaker, in fact.
What was your reaction to the event itself and then, of course, all of the media attention that came thereafter?
Well, actually, when it happened, I didn't think much of it.
I was there.
I applauded.
I stood up like everybody else and was clapping.
I didn't raise my arm in any kind of salute.
I did see a couple people doing that.
But, you know, it didn't really bother me.
And I actually went up to Richard and congratulated him on the speech and everything.
But then, you know, the fact that the media was there, they, of course, focus on that.
And that's unfortunate, but, you know, it's really not who we are.
And I think that it really was a sort of exuberance, youthful exuberance on the part of some people.
And, you know, I just want to get past it.
I know the media will not stop talking about it.
But on the other hand, I think that his talk at Texas A ⁇ M was a great talk, really.
And I think that there was really nothing that could be brought up about that talk that reflected badly on him or on the NPI or anything.
So, you know, I think that we have to move forward.
And, you know, he's done a great job.
And I just want to just say he's the man right now.
And I think the NPI is going to continue to be a very important force on our side.
Kevin, I don't think I could have scripted your answer to be any better than that.
I think it is time to move on from the NPI ordeal.
Certainly, 30 seconds shouldn't mar what was a great conference and what has been a very productive run for NPI and for Richard himself.
And the only reason I bring it up is because, of course, you were there as a speaker, and that's just a matter of fact, and should have been mentioned.
But yes, let's focus now on what's happened since then.
Richard at Texas A ⁇ M.
Now, this too has received at least as much coverage as the 10 seconds of youthful exuberance, as so many are calling it, at NPI.
I watched the whole thing live on YouTube.
There was a live stream of Richard's presentation.
I communicated with Richard, talked to Richard immediately after he left the podium at Texas A ⁇ M to convey my congratulations on what I thought was just an outstanding event.
Now, sure, Richard and I have different presentations and different packaging, but there was a moment of epiphany, Kevin, during Richard's talk where it just hit me that, you know what?
All of this talk about being on the right side of history, we are on the right side of history, and we are going to prevail.
I had that moment during Richard's talk.
You watched it.
What was your reaction?
Yes, yes, I did watch it.
I posted it on the Axel Observer site.
I think it's an excellent talk.
He made a lot of points that I think would resonate with most white people now.
One of the things that struck me that I think should have struck people in the audience, because he was very poised and relaxed under very difficult circumstances, a very hostile audience, quite a few.
I mean, there were certainly some people on his side, but quite a few who were not and were hostile.
But he made the point that if you look at where these globalists want to take us, he mentions Zuckerberg and Soros.
They want America and really the whole rest of the world to just be a big shopping mall where people have no sense of identity.
And all they do is they buy things that they identify with.
They maybe root for a football team or something.
He's saying, look, there's something more basic here.
Your identity as a white person is very important.
And I thought that the idea that white people's bones were under the ground in Texas, that we fought for this and we died for it.
And it's our country.
And that's a very important concept to get across these days because it is so, it is such a, you know, on the other side of the moon for so many listeners now.
But it's important to hear it, you know, that this was a country that we fought and died for.
Not just in the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, we went through World War I, World War II, the Korean War.
All this was white America, even the Vietnam War.
And we fought and died for it.
And it's our country.
And we should have a sense of identity.
I thought that was very effective.
And some of the other things, I mean, the fact that he completely shut down this rabbi.
I mean, this discourse gets into my stuff, but that was just hilarious.
But before you go on on that, I don't want to interrupt you on that because that is certainly going to be discussed this hour.
We actually have a clip of that that we're going to queue up in a following segment after another break.
And I certainly want you to sink your teeth into that at length because that is your bread and butter.
That is your signature issue.
So we're going to get to that.
But I want to go back to something you said just a moment ago at some points Richard made in his talk that certainly it's healthy for us to have the sense of identity that everyone else is not only allowed but encouraged to have, as we repeat almost every week on this program.
He also just really laid bare and he used the exact proper adjective to describe this pablo of diversity is our greatest strength and it's hate to be proud of who you are if you happen to be of European descent.
He just said tired, worn out, and then a couple of other choice words.
And these people are not used.
These college kids.
And by the way, I guess we're being generous to say that.
There were certainly some very asinine questions that were asked of Richard during the Q ⁇ A, but at least the questioner had, in some cases, the ability to properly articulate the asinine question.
There were other questioners who had such a fundamental struggle of the English language, of grammar, of pronunciation.
How?
And what is going on in universities these days?
Now, this is another question for you as a lifelong educator, as a professor for so many years at a major American university.
My goodness have standards fallen, Kevin.
In watching some of these questions that were asked, it was just, it was embarrassing.
It was.
It was.
You know, and I think what's happened in universities that there's this absolute consensus on the left.
And so people don't think anymore.
They don't have to think.
They're never confronted with a different idea.
And if they are confronted with a different idea, their whole reaction that is now very much approved is simply to shut it down.
That you can do anything against people who have these ideas.
You can beat them up if you want.
I mean, we're going to get into that.
We're going to get into that at the very next segment.
Yes, there was violence at MPI.
There would have been violence there had there not been a law enforcement phalanx there on the grounds at Texas A.M., almost a military operation there to keep Richard safe.
We'll talk about that much more as we continue to unpack this with Dr. Kevin McDonald right after these words.
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All right, we're talking with Dr. Kevin McDonald about Richard Spencer's appearance at the campus of Texas AM University earlier this week.
And we were talking right before the break, Kevin, about the threats of violence, these masked Marxists trying to storm the event center where Richard was speaking, the law enforcement having to push them back.
I was asking myself, where's George Wallace when you need him?
But you have all of that.
And then, of course, you know about the sideshow circus that was put on by the president of the university, who was literally hours before Richard's talk begging the students to come to this event at the football stadium, which held a hundred thousand, it's a hundred thousand-seat venue.
Richard actually doubled his expected attendance of between four and five hundred people attended his talk, whereas originally they were hoping for maybe 200, according to some reports.
The event at the football stadium drew not much more than Richards, even though they were flying in celebrities.
They had a marching band.
They had an official Holocaust survivor.
They had all of this bread and circus.
And according to a loyal listener of this program who was there, he said max 2,000 people were at that event, but it was probably closer to 1,000 based upon his eyewitness assessment.
So talk about that, Kevin.
Yeah, it's fantastic.
You know, it really indicates, I think, that this whole rhetoric is bankrupt.
You know, that people aren't excited by it anymore.
You know, they've heard these bromides.
They tried out all these typical victim groups saying the usual things.
And it just doesn't, it wears thin.
And, you know, in Hillary Clinton's campaign against Trump, I mean, her whole campaign towards the end was about diversity.
We're stronger together.
And she kept repeating that.
And it fell on deaf ears.
And the idea that Trump is a bigot and a racist and all that.
It's really, you know, heartening to think that we are getting beyond that, that people aren't so much afraid of that stigma anymore.
And they're not just going to reflexively vote for the person who says these bromides.
And I thought one of the great things that Richard said, and I said this myself, I was at a Trump protest, and I'm walking in, and I see these antifa, and they got masks on, and they're all like, you know, ready to fight or something like that.
And I said, you know, you guys are the establishment.
You're fighting for the establishment.
And Richard was saying, like, you know, we are the ones that are speaking truth to power.
If you think about it, the entire university is against his ideas, our ideas.
The entire political structure, all the media.
Who's got the power here?
And yet these leftist activists act as if they're this persecuted minority and their horrible power structure arrayed against them.
It's a joke.
Kevin.
And these young people thinking that they're rebels when they're upholding the establishment.
Oh, yes.
No, I mean, they are the support group of the regime, as our mutual friend Sam Dixon calls them, and I've adopted that as well.
These people are the support groups of the regime.
They are backing what is backed by the global media, by the global governments.
And to think that you're a renegade for doing that, we have a different definition of the word.
I do want to add one more thing.
I want to check with my producer to see if we have ready the clip of Richard answering the question as to why he was not from the rabbi, which we'll get in the next segment.
But if we have the other clip ready, if you can let me know, I'd like to cue that up in just a second.
It's the one that doesn't sound bad.
It's the one from the okay, we're going to get to that in just a second.
But one thing, Kevin, that was included in this so-called counter-protest of Richard that was put on by the administration.
You know that Texas A ⁇ M used to be a cadet corps college.
It was a military, you know, it had a lot of military legacy.
And they do, we talked about this last week, but I just want to bring this up very quickly.
They do a ceremony every year.
They do taps.
And they do taps in honor of every Aggie who has fallen in service to his country since the previous taps ceremony.
And we know someone who is a graduate of Texas A ⁇ M who filled me in on all of this.
But when they did taps, they did it again.
They've never done it outside of mourning the lost alumni who have fallen in service to the armed forces of this country, except for when Richard came.
They broke all tradition of doing this once a year to honor the dead.
They did it in protest of Richard.
And they did it at the statue of Lawrence Sullivan Ross, who was the quintessential 19th century Texan.
He was the type of man whom the reputation of the state is largely based.
He was a pioneer.
He was an Indian fighter.
He was a Texas Ranger, a Confederate general, a Texas governor and widely regarded as A ⁇ M's greatest president.
This was written by Wilburn Sprayberry, which you, of course, have posted to your website as well.
So you want to talk about irony, the irony of these Marxists going and holding a vigil in protest of Richard in front of a statue of a man who most certainly would have agreed with Richard much more than them.
Unbelievable.
I heard that.
But either AM or some other one of these military schools, I mean, like Virginia Military Institute, one of them, they were giving these cadets coloring books, you know, to because of the grief over Trump's victory.
I mean, that's where the state of the, I can't believe our military could ever be affected with people like that anymore.
God.
Cadets.
Yeah.
Cadets.
And then, of course, we tweeted it.
They gave all of these students.
Now, cadets is even worse.
But you're still talking about students.
They're young men and women.
I've got a picture up on my Twitter right now of them going out with magic markers and coloring these chants that they chant, United Together or whatever.
They're coloring it.
They're scribbling.
And they're not even staying within the lines.
That's not bad enough.
I don't know if we have enough time to get it in this segment, Kevin, but I'd like you to hear.
Let's roll it right now.
This is Richard answering the protest he received from his graduating class at his prep school and also why he appeared at Texas A ⁇ M. Great answer.
Let's listen to it.
Look, I recognized early on that I am going to be a heretic.
And that, again, I don't want to be fringe.
I want to be mainstream.
But I recognized early on that I was going to have to live the life of a heretic.
I was challenging major taboos, taboos that have a religious-like nature in modern America and around the world, and that I was going to be a heretic, and I accepted that.
So I never thought this would happen, to be honest, but I had already accepted all of it.
I've accepted the fact that people are going to hate me.
I've accepted the fact that I'm going to be excluded from places.
I accepted the fact that I'm going to be called names.
I accepted the fact that I was going to be attacked by the media.
I accepted all of it in my heart before any of that happened.
So it ultimately doesn't affect me.
like the fact that some of my former classmates are, their way of battling me is to commit civilizational suicide even harder by accepting Syrian refugees, demonstrates how pathetic they are, to be honest.
To be really blunt, I don't give.
I am here, first and foremost, to talk to students.
I am very curious about what life is like for them in 2016.
I'm very curious about what they think about identity and the modern world, mass immigration, multiculturalism, etc.
So that is primarily why I am here.
I want to engage.
The president of Texas A ⁇ M University wants to create the world's largest safe space.
Their values are diversity and inclusion and communication and so on.
Well, apparently not.
They are holding a rally specifically to prevent students from listening to me.
If my ideas are so crazy or toxic or whatever, then sunlight will disinfect them.
So what they are effectively saying is that no, we secretly believe that his ideas are 100% true.
They are dangerous to the status quo.
They're going to change the world.
And therefore, we need to prevent people from listening to him.
You're here right now because you know in your bones that the alt-right is the future.
You know that white identity politics is inelectable.
You know that white identity politics is going to enter the world and that it is going to be a powerful force in the 21st century.
That is why you are here.
Kevin, we're coming up on a break right now, and I want you to respond to this after the commercial, and then we're going to get into the exchange you had with the rabbi.
But that was absolutely powerful.
And I know it means a lot to you because it does to me as two people who are also very public and have taken these arrows and spears.
I think Richard in that clip certainly spoke for us.
That's right.
So when we come back, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get Kevin to elaborate a little bit more on that particular clip that we heard Richard just deliver.
That was in a press conference that took place on the campus of Texas A ⁇ M immediately before the talk, which is, of course, the primary thing that we're unpacking here in this hour with Dr. Kevin McDonald.
And we'll talk about this exchange head with the rabbi and Kevin's take on Trump so far.
All of that coming up in the last segment of this hour with Kevin McDonald right after this.
Very privileged.
Very much an honor to have Kevin with us.
We'll be back with more right after this.
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Okay, we've got to move very fast this segment.
I've got a lot of ground I want to cover with Kevin, and I want to give him the floor this entire segment.
But first, Kevin, going back to that last clip we just played, I thought it was very powerful, something that you and I as public figures who have taken these arrows can relate to.
It's something that everyone, whether you're a leader or not, is going to have to embrace.
You're going to get called names.
You're going to be a heretic.
They will hate you, but so what?
The cause is more important, and we all have to have that sort of mentality before change will ever take place.
Your thoughts and comments on that last clip we played of Richard before we get into the one that we really want to talk about.
Yeah, it's very true.
In my case, it was very difficult at first.
But you get used to it and you realize that you really are right.
They haven't come up with any big arguments or anything.
And I think there's an understanding there that we are right.
And so the only thing they have to do is to either ignore us or to vilify us in some way.
And I think that's exactly what has happened.
And they're terrified of this.
And actually, it's interesting.
In my case, they very rarely even talk about what I say.
My talk was not covered at all in the media, even though there's a lot of media coverage of the conference.
It's like, because my talk was very factual-based and rational, logical, and based on a lot of studies and so on.
And they don't want to deal with that.
They just want to look at all of their salutes or something like that.
That's the story.
They don't want to talk about the rational basis of what we're talking about.
And so it's typical.
What I've done, and unfortunately, what has to happen a lot of times is you have to sort of bifurcate your world.
You try to have some people that you don't talk politics about.
And then you hope they don't really know much about you because you know darn well that could include your family members, you know, that you don't want them really looking you up online and stuff.
But, you know, it is tough.
And, you know, yes, we all have suffered in that way.
Well, you certainly in academia have made a name for yourself for the thoughtful and scholarly treatment of evolutionary behavioral psychology of Jews, their strategies as a unique people.
And so that leads me to the question that came from Rabbi Matt Rosenberg.
He was in the press conference and asked Richard if he would study the Torah with him because he believes in what he called radical inclusionism.
Richard turned it around brilliantly and said, well, let's talk about Israel then.
How radically inclusive is Israel?
The rabbi even came out in the Jewish Forward publication saying, I just, I lost.
I lost the debate.
I was embarrassed.
We have a clip that is very poor audio, so I will warn you that this is very poor audio.
So you're going to have to really tune in your radios and tune in your ears to make it through this.
It's the best we've got.
It's the only thing that's out there.
You can't find a clip of this anywhere anymore.
But it's the rabbi asking the question and Richard answering.
Let's see if we can make it through this, and then Kevin and I will unpack it.
Let's listen to the clip.
My tradition teaches a message of radical inclusion and love.
Love is embodied by Torah.
Will you sit down and study Torah with me and learn from love?
Okay, I can't promise to study with you because I'm kind of a biggie.
I will actually say this.
I will promise to talk with you.
And I would say this.
Do you really want radical inclusion into the state of Israel?
And by that, I mean radical inclusion.
Maybe all in the Middle East could go move then to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem.
Would you really want that?
You're not answering.
Look, in terms of the Jewish people, why are they a people?
They are a people precisely because they did not engage in radical inclusion.
Jews exist precisely because you did not assimilate to the Gentiles.
That's great.
It's axiomatic.
Like, that is why Jews are a coherent people with a history and a culture and a future.
It's because you had a sense of yourselves.
I respect that about you.
I want my people to have that same sense of themselves.
I want my people to survive in the future.
Sorry.
Just as a point of fact, Richard, there's a few men inflation.
Okay.
All right.
We can stop it right there.
That actually was a little bit better audio than I anticipated.
Kevin, take it away.
Yeah, it's a very telling thing.
And this has appeared in two or three big outlets of the Jewish press, you know, and in particular, one that I noticed was Mondeweis, which is very critical of Israel.
And they're saying, look, these Zionists cannot answer this question.
He had them completely stumped.
I mean, why shouldn't white people have an identity?
And Richard's absolutely right that the whole key to understanding Judaism is this strong, strong sense of Jewish identity.
And really what amounts to ethnocentrism.
And that's exactly what's happening in Israel, even more so than even parents in the United States, where, I mean, I think the most ethnocentric Jews have gone to Israel.
And you see them in the settlers.
And right now, the government of Israel is the most right-wing in its history.
They've got overt racialists in the government.
Avagdor Lieberman, Naftali Bennett, have said things about Palestinians that if I said to them about blacks or something, they'd just call me this horrible, horrible person racist and so on.
But it's routine in Israel.
And it's amazing that this rabbit, I think it reflects a lot of Jews that don't get out of the sort of Jewish worldview.
They don't even see the hypocrisy, the double standards, the ridiculous.
It's so easy.
A four-year-old could see that this is hypocrisy, that there's a double standard here, that somehow Richard and white people are not supposed to have an identity, but it's perfectly fine for Jews to have that and to exclude people and everything.
So, you know, it was very effective.
I thought it was exactly right.
And it goes to the heart of the thing.
And I think it's really making Jews a little bit nervous that that was brought up at all.
They really wish that rabbi had not said a thing.
Well, you know, I played basketball in high school.
And so this is the equivalent of a political alley-oop.
But the rabbi threw it up there, lobbed it up, and Richard Tomahawk dunked it.
It was amazing that the rabbi would even leave himself that vulnerable because, you know, he should have stuck to the tried and true method of just shouting Richard down with a bunch of mean names because that's really the only thing they've got.
Because when you open yourself up for an honest and candid and frank discussion, we are going to win every time, Kevin, because logic, reason, facts, and common sense are all on our side.
And of course, what Richard said in that clip, I've been saying on the radio for 12 years.
You've been saying it throughout your entire career.
But for Richard to say it with all the cameras on in that atmosphere was very, very shrewd and a very, very big move.
Very effective.
And, you know, I think we have 72 articles and something like that on Actional Observer about this double standard.
You know, this is something that's pervasive.
And what's amazing that this rabbi didn't see this coming.
You know, it's like, how unself-aware are you?
You know, I mean, I think most Jews who are sort of like, you know, understand how you go about this, you don't talk about that.
You ignore it.
And you would try to draw attention away from Winston.
Yeah, you don't want to highlight the hypocrisy.
You don't want to highlight the hypocrisy and the double standard.
I mean, because you're talking about they actually have an apartheid state over there.
They forcibly deport the people who aren't supposed to be there.
They have secured militarized borders.
I love Israel's domestic policy.
I want it for this country.
They've got high walls separating the Palestinians from the Israelis.
They've got a double standard when it comes to law.
I mean, a double standard when it comes to immigration policy, everything.
And yet, and yet these Jewish organizations in this country are leading the charge.
There's more immigration, generous refugee policies, you know.
And if you don't want that, you're a horrible racist.
So they do it all the time.
And, you know, they just ignore the obvious double standard here.
Or sometimes they'll make lip service.
Oh, you know, Abu Dhor Lieberman is not a nice person or something.
But, you know, they'll mouth hopes for a two-state solution, which is completely out of the question at this point.
There is no two-state solution.
It's going to be oppression of Palestinians forever.
I mean, there's no end to it.
And they'll just continue to do it, continue to take the land.
Right now, it's very close to having a law go into effect where they would legalize all these settlements.
They just took the land from the Palestinians, and now the government's going to make that all legal and make that land owned by Israelis.
I mean, it's just ethnic cleansing.
And we're supposed to think that Judaism is about inclusion and love is a joke.
I don't think we could end this hour on any better comment than that, because that is straight direct to the point.
I was going to spend a little time, we ran out of time, but I was going to ask you your thoughts on Trump thus far.
We're going to get into that with Brad Griffin in the next hour, Trump's picks for the cabinet thus far.
Underwhelming to say the least.
You wrote an article right after the election, an historic, quite possibly revolutionary victory.
Do you think Trump still has that potential?
Well, you know, I am worried about some of these picks.
You know, I don't know what he's up to with the Secretary of Labor Puzzer or something.
He's been a pro-immigration, pro-business kind of guy.
I just don't see that.
He's got a couple of Jews running the economy, and they're very much in favor of deregulation.
I worry about this guy, Kelly, who's in charge of Homeland Security.
I don't think he's really an immigration patriot.
There's no history of that.
So we'll see.
I mean, he's still the president, and he can, it's a top-down thing.
He can tell people what to do.
That's right.
We'll see.
I mean, we got to see what happens.
We'll have to have you.
I'm sorry, Dr. McDonald.
We'll have to have you back on to talk more about that as things become a little bit more in focus.
But I want to thank you for coming on to talk about the issues at hand.