Nov. 26, 2016 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Keith Alexander and yours truly offered our take on NPI.
I think very fair and balanced.
Oh, God, I shouldn't have said that because that makes us sound like Fox.
And we're so much better than that.
But now we're going to let the man in the middle of it all speak for himself, a man who is a friend of mine.
Let me repeat, a man who is a friend of mine, a man who I believe has done incredible work.
And I've known him for, I don't know, six, eight years now.
He is a polite, thoughtful, well-educated individual, Richard Spencer, the president of the National Policy Institute.
Richard, welcome back to the show.
Hell, James.
How are you?
Oh, I'm good.
I'm good.
And listen, I want to just jump into this with the question on everybody's mind.
So let's just go right after it.
On Thanksgiving, did you enjoy your turkey with gravy, cranberries, stuffing, or all of the above?
I did not eat turkey on Thanksgiving.
I'm not a fan of turkey.
All right.
But you didn't need crow either.
Yeah, some steak and sweet potatoes.
That's how I like it.
Hey, that'll work.
I'm coming over to your house for next Thanksgiving.
All right, Richard.
All seriousness.
Alt-right ascendant.
We talked a little bit about that in the first hour.
There's no doubt that collectively the different elements and organizations and key figures of the alt-right were able to impact the presidential election of Donald Trump.
The alt-right burst upon the scene in a way that is very rare, very rare to break through as hard and as fast as the alt-right did, getting attention named by both Hillary Clinton and, of course, the media and Trump.
And it had an impact in putting Trump to the White House.
I don't think that is an exaggeration at all.
I'm sure you would agree.
No.
I would agree completely.
And what I think happened with the Trump phenomenon is that, you know, when it started, it was probably about Trump's demand.
And then it started to become a populist movement.
And that resulted from the fact that Trump made immigration and the wall and the danger of illegals.
He put that front and center and he turned his campaign into a populist movement in a way that, you know, if you had told me that in 2014, that Donald Trump is going to be leading a immigration populist uprising, I would be like, you know, what are you smoking?
I mean, I never would have believed that.
But the fact is it happened.
But I think something else happened, and that is that the alt-right became a kind of intellectual and propaganda vanguard for the Trump campaign.
So we started projecting onto him a lot of our ideas and our hopes and dreams.
We started seeing him as a hero in a way that it would have been impossible for us to see John McCain or Mitt Romney or basically any Republican in my lifetime and stretching back long before my lifetime.
We saw him as an alt-right hero, not as just a conservative we might like or agree with here and there.
You could say that about Mitt Romney.
No, we saw him as something different, as someone who was breaking away from traditional conservatism, someone was moving towards populism and nationalism, someone who's even moving towards identity politics.
Now, I don't think no one would say this, and I don't think that Donald Trump is alt-right.
I do not think that Donald Trump is the equivalent of James Edwards or people in our realm.
But he seems to be a step in that direction.
He seems to be that first step towards identity politics.
And I think we all could feel it.
Everyone could feel it.
The left could certainly feel it.
The mass media could certainly feel it.
They would constantly say, this isn't normal.
This isn't normal.
Don't let this happen.
But the fact is, it did happen.
And we were connected to a campaign in a way that we just haven't been previously.
And yes, I do think that the alt-right helped Donald Trump.
We made Donald Trump edgy.
We made Donald Trump, we gave Donald Trump this aura of being dangerous to the system.
And that's something that we would never have done for any other Republican candidate.
And that's something that the left often enjoys.
The left, you know, the Barack Obama, even though he's turned out to be a fairly non-revolutionary president, to be honest, the fact is in 2008, he attracted the hopes and dreams of the far left.
And so they started to project onto him this notion that he wasn't just another Democrat, that he really represented some kind of fundamental social change.
We did that for Donald Trump.
And so that's what happened.
It was an amazing ride, but it's now the morning after.
And, you know, a lot of things that Donald Trump has done in terms of cabinet appointees, like Jeff Sessions as AG, I think that's obviously great.
Bannon is this somewhat nebulously titled strategic czar or whatever he is.
That is also very interesting.
But nevertheless, like it's the morning after.
And Trump isn't a potentiality.
He is an actuality.
And so we've got to be a little more skeptical about him.
We've got to worry a little bit that he's going to fall into becoming a conventional conservative.
And we've got to be willing to criticize him.
So that's where we are right now.
But in terms of what has just happened over the past year and a half, I mean, it's been an amazing ride.
Well, it has, Richard.
And of course, you and I take different approaches with regards to the media.
I have just become a shut-in with the press, but that didn't stop them from writing about us literally every week.
I was one of, I guess, three people who had the interesting reality of being denounced by both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton during the last year.
And then, of course, you, you have probably, especially within the last few months, gotten hundreds of millions of dollars worth of publicity this last week alone.
And you have been very open with the press.
You have courted the press.
You have given them access, and you have handled it remarkably well.
And the coverage that you've gotten has been quite good as far as good can be with people of our line of thinking.
And that's not to say that there's not differences in packaging and presentation, even amongst our fellow travelers.
Me, you, Jared, Peter.
I mean, we could name a lot of the people out there that have done work and made an impact.
But that leads us up to what happened this past weekend.
So Trump has won the You have been positioned as certainly a key figure, if not the founding father of the alt-right as it is currently constructed.
And you were making your victory lap in Washington and all of this immediate attention that comes with it.
And then the NPI conference happened.
And this conference was scheduled, of course, well in advance of the outcome of the election.
And it was going to take place no matter what.
But the fact that Trump won, vis-a-vis what we had just mentioned, the impact that the alt-right most definitely had on that, this made for just a perfect storm.
And so the first thing I want to do, Richard, before we get into the obvious topic, and we're coming up on our first break of the hour, and we do have Richard on the entire hour, I want Richard to talk about the important things that happened at the conference before we get into the element of the conference that the entire press, a global press, has seized upon.
Whoa, no, I'll tell you what.
You think about it.
You think about what order you want to tackle it in, and we'll go in that way.
But I do want you first, though, to talk about one thing that they absolutely didn't cover, and that is the acts of violence visited upon NPI attendees.
And we'll do that when we come back.
We got plenty of time for it all with Richard Spencer here on the Political Assessment Live tonight with James Edwards.
Keep Alexander in with me this hour as well.
And he has some questions too.
We'll be right back.
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All right, so our guest, Richard Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute, maybe you've heard of him.
He's with us tonight to respond to all of the news, but more importantly, to set the record straight about the mission of NPI, the alt-right as he sees it, and where that entity goes from here.
But Richard, we talked about this a little bit before you came on.
There were certainly some elements that manifested themselves last weekend that the press conveniently didn't report on.
That's the lawlessness, threats of violence, and in fact, physical violence visited upon you at the restaurant.
Two of the red ice consiglieres there outside of the Ronald Reagan building.
And then, of course, even one member of the press posted your public, posted publicly your home address and invited people to visit you with baseball bats.
Interestingly, that didn't get even a fraction of the coverage of what we're about to talk about.
Surprising or no?
It's not surprising.
I think we actually should delve into it because there are a lot of very important issues there.
But no, it's not surprising.
I mean, if we did a fraction of what the anti-so-called anti-fascist did to us, this would be a long national nightmare that we'd be talking about, you know, for the next month about, you know, the dangers of fascist thugs beating up people and threatening people's lives and so on.
When they do it, you know, they get slapped on the wrist at the very most.
But actually, they often have no discipline at all.
Well, obviously, you're speaking to the choir here, and I'm just going to echo that back at you.
But no, it was interesting.
Of all the press.
All right, take it away.
No, listen, you're on as our guest.
We talked about this in the first hour.
The floor is yours.
Take it any direction you want to go.
Great.
I don't know.
I actually didn't listen to the first hour, so I don't quite know what you said.
But if you want to push back or criticize that, it's perfectly fine.
Obviously, the huge scandal that erupted from the conference came when a video surfaced on Monday.
And in it, they showed a couple of highlights from my keynote speech.
It was the final speech of the evening.
It came after dinner, after people had been celebrating.
We were all in a triumphant mood.
And basically, the thing that got the most press was my final lines, where I said, effectively, you know, I had this theme going throughout the talk about the quest for normalcy and just have a normal life, but also that quest for greatness.
And I think both of those things were embedded in the Trump phenomenon.
And I said, you know, for we Europeans to be normal effectively is to be great.
This is who we are.
We're a people of conquerors.
We're a people of explorers.
We're a people who live dangerously.
So it's a very Nietzschean message, you could say.
And I ended it by giving a toast where I raised a glass and I said something highly provocative that got a rise of everyone.
I said, Caleb Trump, hail our people, hail victory.
And I knew that that was going to be an applause line.
It was dialed to 11 and it was an applause line.
And the whole room of some 300 people jumped to their feet.
It was people that I talked to afterward loved the speech.
They loved that aspect of it.
Everyone was in really great spirits.
There were a handful of people, I don't know how many, you know, half a dozen, let's say, who also, in a spirit of exuberance, and also in a spirit of irony, I would say, also said they jumped to their feet and they gave the stiff arm Roman salute.
Look, if I get it that some people don't like this, they think that, oh, this is exactly what the media wants.
They're now going to pigeonhole us as a movement from the past, as neo-Nazis and so on.
I think that's a fair criticism.
But at the same time, you also have to understand where we are coming from.
One aspect of the alt-right that I don't think we should ever lose is our sense of fun, our sense of being outlandish, our sense of dialing it to 11 sometimes, and our sense of irony as well.
The alt-right is not a neo-Nazi movement.
That is a non-starter.
However, can the alt-right be a little fashion, as they say?
Can the alt-right sometimes push the envelope?
Can the alt-right sometimes take a lot of the PC stuff and just spit it back in the face of our enemies?
The answer is yes.
So my final post was highly provocative.
I will grant everyone that.
And, you know, the people who jumped up and gave a Roman salute, they're also being provocative as well.
But people who look at this really have to understand where it's all coming from.
It's coming from a spirit of exuberance and it's coming from a spirit of irony.
So like, I'm not going to apologize.
I think that the whole evening was a lot of fun.
You know, look, there's some fallout to this.
I might do things differently next time.
But the fact is, this is our movement.
Like, part of our movement is that we're exciting and we're edgy and we're going to push some limits.
So I just think the whole evening was great.
We trolled the world.
We freaked some people out.
We expanded the, you know, we made alt-right a household name.
There are going to be millions of people who, yes, really don't like this.
There are going to be millions of people who are shocked by it and actually start to look into our movement for the first time, who will get red-pilled for the first time by the fact that we have made such a splash.
So look, I am definitely open to your feedback with all this, but I'm also not going to apologize.
I am glad all of this happened.
I don't think, I think the worst thing for the alt-right to do is for us to lose our exuberance and for us to lose our irony or for us to just go around and start apologizing or explaining, oh, we're not this or we're not that or we're not that.
I think the alt-right is going to make waves and it's going to really change the discourse precisely because we're exuberant and precisely because we can have fun.
Well, there is his response to it all, ladies and gentlemen.
And as you know, Richard, and you weren't listening to the first hour, so I'll just briefly repeat myself.
And we talked about this a little bit on the phone last night.
I mean, there's no doubt that it does, in some ways, play into the negative caricature that anyone who has a healthy sense of racial consciousness is a neo-Nazi just waiting to inflict harm upon some people.
Of course, that's not true at all.
Do I wish it hadn't happened?
Maybe, yes, but I'm not going to dwell on it.
It happened.
Some things can be dealt with in-house.
We're not going to wring our hands.
We're not going to disavow.
We're not going to short-circuit friendships over this.
And so you just move on.
I think it was probably unnecessary.
The alt-right had already accomplished so much.
But of course, what can you do about three or four people in the crowd doing this?
I guess you could have gotten up there and shouted them down.
But we know that.
I would never do that.
Because I understand where they're coming from.
The other thing is that if I had given, I would have given an outlandish applause line at the end of that speech.
My speech was quite frankly bombastic.
It was meant for us.
It was not, when I speak to the media when we did a press conference, I'm going to use some different language and a different tone.
When I'm talking to us, I'm going to use this tone.
So any applause line I would have given, there would have been something like that.
Again, I totally know where they're coming from.
I think any serious person who looks into the alt-right will figure out where.
Well, and one thing's for sure, because of what happened and because of the media's hysterical overreaction, tens of millions, that is not an exaggeration, folks, tens of millions of people have watched Richard Spencer's speech.
And you can thank the Atlantic and all of the press for making that possible.
So certainly, because of that, there's going to be a net gain in terms of people who are going to be coming to the website of the National Policy Institute and getting the real score from there.
But we will come back and talk about this a little more, talk about the future, and then a lot of questions coming in from Richard on Twitter via email, and we'll get to as many of those as we can as well.
So stay tuned.
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Over the weekend, the National Policy Institute, a white nationalist organization that describes itself as a think tank representing the interests of European Americans, convened a celebratory conference in Washington just a few blocks from the White House.
The lengthy conference concluded with an address by activist Richard Spencer, founder of the NPI.
The speech ended with Spencer exclaiming, hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory, as the all-white audience leapt to its feet, several of them holding their arms outstretched in the familiar fascist or national socialist salute.
In an interview with NPR host Kelly McEvers, Spencer described his group's desire to turn the continental United States into what he has called a white ethno-state.
What I would ultimately want is this ideal of a safe space for Europeans, Spencer explained.
This is a big empire that would accept all Europeans.
It would be a place for Germans.
It would be a place for Slavs.
It would be a place for Celts.
It would be a place for white Americans and so on.
Spencer claims that the NPI would serve as the ideological vanguard for the movement Trump represents.
Asked to comment on Spencer's statements, Trump Pence transition spokesman Brian Lanza issued the following statement.
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All right, everybody, back with my friend Richard Spencer tonight, president of the National Policy Institute.
One of the things that makes a movement a movement is that you can have different people pulling in a similar direction that have different approaches.
I mean, certainly with this program that's been on AM radio since 2004, 12 years now, that's a pretty long time for a movement entity.
And we come at these issues from certainly a pro-Christian.
I mean, we're Southerners.
This is part of our DNA.
So that comes out in our presentation of these issues on the air and maybe more of a paleoconservative approach, much to the chagrin of Richard as we have talked about these things in private.
But this is where we are at personally.
But the thing that ties it all together is at the core of it all is a sense of identity, a sense in standing up and speaking out for the interest of our people.
And that is really the bread and butter of this show.
Everything else is a reflection of who I am as a person.
And that certainly comes out since I'm the host of this program.
But what makes this show this show is the fact that it is an unequivocally an unabashed, unapologetic outlet for pro-white thought and reason.
There are other elements of the alt-right that take different approaches, but we all have that same tie that binds.
And I think that is very healthy.
And so we're talking about 30 seconds of what happened at the end of Richard's speech.
Do I think that elements of it were counterproductive?
Yes, I do.
But I heard Richard give an incredible answer on NPR that I'd like to share with you, if you don't mind, Richard.
You were on NPR and the host was trying to goad you into denouncing this.
Would you denounce someone who wore a Klan robe?
Would you denounce someone who did this?
Would you denounce?
And you said flatly, I'm not going to condemn any freedom of expression that's not illegal.
And I think that was just the perfect response because it's just a gotcha game.
It's just a game.
And you don't play the game.
And by that, you show leadership.
But there's a difference between.
Go ahead and answer that.
Go ahead, please.
Thank you, but I was just speaking from the heart.
I mean, I don't wear a clan robe.
I don't think that's a great move.
But the fact is, I'm absolutely not going to condemn any of these people.
And again, as you say, it's not even, they're just playing this game that they never play with the left.
Like, they'll never say, oh, well, you condemn someone wearing a Che Grueira t-shirt.
I mean, do you know how many people he killed?
They'll never play that game with the left.
They only play that game with the right.
And look, we are who I are.
We are who we are.
You have to judge us on what we produce, on the content of our character, they say.
Well, yeah, just don't play this moral blackmail game of condemnation.
Yeah, and I'm glad that you're not playing it.
I think it's great that you obviously have a different take on it than I do.
But the fact is, it's like, if you were under the kind of media pressure that I was under, I would have your back 100%.
Because I know you, James.
You're not going to do anything illegal.
So I would have your back 100%.
And so I'm very glad that you have mine.
Well, I do, Richard.
And I want to state that also for the record.
I'm glad you said it in those words because, again, I know you.
And this is another game that the right player.
Well, you have to agree with everything your associate has ever said, done, or thought in order to be, or else, you know, there's a big conflict there.
No, that's not the way.
Even having you on the show tonight is surely going to catch me flack.
And I'm no stranger to it.
I mean, we were talking last night.
Maybe four or five people over the course of the last 10 years have gotten the kind of press that you and I have gotten, but you have certainly even gone far and above even what I've experienced in terms of what's happened this year with you and especially this go-around.
But no, when the shooting starts, I'm going to be behind you 100%.
100%.
And we have to have that discipline.
The left, you just mentioned it, but you're talking about Black Lives Matter.
Black Lives Matter tears down cities.
They set things on fire.
They break laws.
Do they kill people?
Do they get disavowed by the left?
No, not only do they not get disavowed, they get codified into the Democratic National Committee's platform and they get invited to the White House.
So we need to have similar discipline here on the right.
But there's a difference between condemning something and enjoying being tied to it.
So now, certainly going forward, this is going to be something that you are tied to by the press.
Do you going forward, will you grant the press such unlimited access to you and to your event?
This is a very interesting question.
The simple answer is no.
And this is where we are right now.
Last year, NPI hosted a conference at the National Press Club, actually.
And it was our biggest to date.
We had almost 200 attendees.
We did have some press interest, but it was basically four or five people.
And we held another conference in March, and we had many more members of the press there, probably two dozen.
And I grant them lots of interviews.
I think we've now just reached this new level of interest.
I mean, we have, we held a press conference with 100 members of the press from all over the world, from France, from Germany, from NPR, the Washington Post, to the Intercept and so on.
I mean, it was a huge thing.
We are getting now close to 300 people.
We're basically, we've crossed this Rubicon in terms of both movement interest and press interest.
And what I feel that we need to do is have a little bit of a better model going forward where we allow the press to come.
We definitely need public-facing public events.
I mean, anyone who tells you, oh, we just need to go have only a private event, just don't listen to them.
Like, we are never going to accomplish anything unless we're willing to stand up, we're willing to show our faith, we're willing to speak our mind.
Like, no one is going to respect us unless we do this.
However, I think that what we want to do is combine some public-facing events with some really robust private events.
Problem with private events is that they are private.
That is, you're not reaching those new people that you can get at a public event.
So we're going to have to work to thread the needle here.
But I do think that is a better model.
Like, I'm not going to back down and I am going to host big conferences, but I actually have learned some lessons from this whole thing.
And we're going to have a, you'll, people will see.
I don't need to anyway tell you.
They can just look at what I do.
We're going to use some different models going forward.
So again, it's not, we're not backing down.
Like the public-facing aspect is going to be just as robust, just as big, but there's going to be an equally robust private aspect to it.
I think that's a smart move.
And for the people who would criticize, I would ask you, are even leaders not entitled to make mistakes?
If you consider this whole thing to be a mistake, are mistakes not are people not allowed to do that?
Is there anyone who has not made mistakes?
Lots of good comments.
That's absolutely right.
And I guarantee you these same people voted for him.
Lots of positive comments coming in, Richard.
I'd like to spend, I guess, the rest of the time answering questions that have come in via Twitter and email.
And by the way, condolences for the loss of your Twitter account.
That's a whole other conversation that we probably would have had had it not been.
Do you want to make mention very quickly the fact that you were censored off of Twitter?
Oh, I mean, look, this is a huge thing.
Yeah, we could dedicate a whole show to this topic.
It's so important.
I have never broken the terms of service of Twitter.
Actually, a lot of people rag on me for being too polite to liberals and leftists, my Twitter account.
I've certainly never threatened anyone or anything like it.
And actually, my last tweet was a sarcastic comment to David Frum.
So even as I was being thrown into outer darkness, I was still raging against the neocons.
So I'm very proud of that.
But yeah, it was last Tuesday.
Geez, it seems like a month ago.
It was less than a week ago.
It was last Tuesday.
All of my accounts associated with me, that included the alt-right account, that included my personal account, that include Radix, MPI, Washington, and Publishers.
They were just all shut down in one fatal swoop by Twitter.
So it was not one thing that I did.
And Twitter has never contacted me and they've never told me like, oh, this tweet was a little too mean, that might constitute a threat or cyberbullying.
Nothing was said.
It was just shut down.
So yeah, we are in a new realm in terms of censorship where these private companies, these platforms, have much more power than governments in a way to censor views.
I mean, Twitter, much more than my website, was my interface with the world.
I mean, it was the way I communicated with other journalists.
It was the way I communicated with fans or enemies or just expressed my opinion on the pathway.
And so this is a huge issue because we're all going to get shipped home at some point.
That'll be when you come back on.
We may talk more about that.
I'm a little embarrassed that I'm still on Twitter.
Maybe I'm not working hard enough.
But anyway, when we come back, we're going to go to the mailbag and cover as many as we can for Richard.
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If anybody thinks I'm going to distance myself from Richard Spencer because he's catching some flack this week, you don't know James Edwards.
We live in the flack.
And in fact, it's because of that that he's actually on the show tonight.
And let me just say this, James.
Our motto for the political cesspool is and always has been from day one, no retreat, no surrender, no apology.
So consequently, that's what all of this is consistent with as far as we're concerned.
You can't, it's like Satchel Page said, don't look back.
Something may be gaining on you.
We're not going to do that, and we're not going to disavow our friends.
That's absolutely right.
And frankly, we have no reason to.
So, all right, Richard, this is going to be a mixed bag here, this last segment.
I want to work through as many questions as we can.
So you and I both like to pontificate and we like to hold court, but we'll keep the answers as short as possible so we can work through as many of these questions as possible.
Okay, so let's just see here.
Oh, this is a good one.
We should mention this as well.
The University of Texas A ⁇ M has rolled out the red carpet for you and can't wait for you to come down in a few days.
So what do you have planned?
The question actually is, what do you have planned for your upcoming visit to Texas A ⁇ M?
Right.
It's December 6th at Texas A ⁇ M.
And it's in the evening.
I believe it's 7 p.m.
I'm going to actually release a press release shortly about that.
Yeah, I am going to be there and we're going to have a polite discussion about the alt-right.
And I'm sure it will be academic and no protesters.
No, what am I saying?
People are going to freak out.
So it's going to be fun.
I mean, I'm definitely going to say my teeth.
And I'm going to talk about the alt-right.
I'm going to talk about why we need identity in the 21st century.
Everyone needs it, but European Americans need it more than ever.
I'm going to talk about that, but it's going to be great because, look, there's going to, I mean, I know Texas A ⁇ M is not quite, you know, Cal Berkeley or something, but there's going to be a freak out, and that's going to be a lot of fun.
So I think the Q ⁇ A will be more exciting than my talk.
I think I'm going to really get into it with a lot of these people.
I can't wait.
And we'll offer the information about that on this program after you make it available.
This question we actually just answered, asked Richard if he thinks Giving Press that kind of access to his events is a good idea going forward.
You answered that in the last segment.
This one, how can each separate, we actually touched on this a little bit too, but I'd like to get your take on it.
How can each separate right-wing group, e.g. alt-right, paleocon, et cetera, advance a common agenda?
Well, I think we can just agree on some common principles.
I actually said this, I've said this kind of line that I think we can all agree on that race is real, race matters, race is the foundation of identity.
I think if we agree with that, that effectively identity is meaningful and it matters, then we can all pursue our own agenda.
I mean, let a thousand flowers bloom.
You know, I think if we can disagree on that and we can say that, you know, rational feedback, good faith criticism is totally fine, but we're just gonna not engage in the kind of divisive drama that our movement is definitely prone to.
The left is prone to it as well, by the way.
But our movement is definitely prone to it.
I think that's the way we move forward.
But, you know, I'm open for a lot of ideas.
I'm a very flexible person.
I actually like changing and coming up with new projects and models and so on.
So that's basically where we are.
And you've talked about that even in your own evolution as an academic and as one of the intellectual lights of what collectively we're trying to do.
You have gone through different phases.
And as always, we continue to evolve and sharpen our message.
And as we always say on this show, I've never been active in any other thing but for lack of a better term, right-wing movements.
But what our people have to do is just very simple.
If you have issues of agreement with someone, you work with them on that issue.
You don't look for ways to drive wedges.
You don't look for the statement or the action that a person did that you disagree with and say, oh, well, look, he did that.
So, well, that's it for my relationship with them.
No, you always move forward on the issues of common ground.
And then you don't have to work with someone on other issues.
But pull together and focus on the positive and not so much on issues of disagreement.
Quickly, I'm going to add a footnote to this.
Sure.
I just did a podcast with Mike Enoch, and he mentioned something very, very interesting.
That is that over the past two years, let's say, the alt-right has been getting converts from libertarianism.
I would say that almost 50%, maybe even 75% of the alt-right are former libertarians, red-tilled libertarians.
I think we might have cast out that market.
I mean, effectively, if you are a libertarian at this point, you are a leftist, a pro-market leftist.
I think we're going to start reaching some new people.
I think we're going to start reaching the former conservatives.
I think we're going to start reaching some former liberals.
I think we're going to start reaching some former Bernie supporters.
And let's just be open to it.
So again, a thousand flowers bloom.
The bottom line is this.
Conservative Incorporated has done nothing for our people.
Conservative Incorporated has done nothing but lose.
And they're not even conservative, as I understand the word.
And I don't have the absolute visceral reaction of scorn and contempt for the word conservative that a lot of people do.
And I understand why they do.
But these people have done nothing for us.
It's time for something new.
There's going to be growing pains.
There's going to be incidents like this where there may be some disagreement even within our own camps.
But so what?
You move forward, United.
And if you don't move forward united, you're going to continue to lose because that's all we've ever done.
It's like they said on Shallashanik Redemption, you're either busy growing or busy living or busy dying.
That's right.
We wanted to work in the Shawshank angle.
All right.
Anyway, let's see.
Oh, I'll get to this one next.
I want to get to one because this is negative, but we want to be fair.
We want to read from all elements of the correspondence coming in.
If y'all want to force Trump leftwards, great strategy.
Trump will be strong on immigration if pressured by voters to be strong.
But if anything, he'll be pressured to do the opposite of what the Nazis wish him to do.
Do you think this will have any effect ultimately on what Trump does or doesn't do?
No, I don't buy that at all.
Trump has distanced himself from the alt-right.
I don't think Donald Trump really understands what I'm about or so on.
I think he's been shown images of a couple of people giving Abraham and salute.
But nevertheless, no, I don't think this will have any effect on his agenda.
The idea that he's going to cuck out and be pro-immigration because of this incident, it just doesn't.
I don't buy that.
I'm sorry.
I mean, if you want to say that, then basically James should shut up, shut down shop.
Like he should just, you know, don't talk.
Don't talk at all.
Anytime we say anything that Trump's right, we're harming Trump.
Oh, no, that just doesn't.
It just doesn't make sense.
I am a little bit worried about Trump.
I think we've got now like, you know, the honeymoon's over.
We had a lot of fun with Trump.
We now need to be willing to criticize Trump.
But this idea that because we're out there and we're proud of ourselves and our views and our heritage, that that is going to damage Trump, I just don't buy it.
Tell him we started tonight.
Okay, that's absolutely right, Richard.
And yes, we're glad that Trump beat Hillary, but now we've got to stay on Trump.
We need to advance his right flank and hold him accountable when he does things that isn't in the best interest of the founding stock of this nation.
It's a good question.
Richard, regarding Cernovich and Michael, or rather Paul Joseph Watson, do you disavow?
Yes, I disavow Cernovich, who played fast and loose with the truth.
I've always thought that, to be honest, Cernovich is going to jump on another wave.
He jumped on the Trump bro alt-right wave.
He's going to jump on another wave.
He never, Cernovich never believes what we believe.
I mean, this divorce was inevitable.
I think, I don't think we should have ever fixed it, but the fact is we're now divorced, and that's fine.
The fact that he's claiming I'm a CIA clan, I mean, does this guy have any respect for the truth?
It's just totally stupid.
Paul Joseph Watson, he puts out some good information.
I mean, the guy's part of the Alex Jones goofballs.
I don't really want to be associated with them, to be honest.
And in terms of meta-politics, that is like his belief, like what he really believes, he's just, he's a liberal.
That's all Paul Joseph Watson is.
He is a liberal who hates feminism.
Congratulations.
You know, like I, you know, if he puts out a good video on why Black Lives Matter is crazy, go watch it, get some information.
That is totally fine.
But like, don't look to Paul Joseph Watson as someone who actually cares about European people and our shared civilization.
Don't.
So yeah, like we're divorced from them now.
That's a good thing.
It was inevitable.
The music's going to start any second.
So I want to get this in.
Radixjournal.com.
Stay in touch with Richard because you can't find him off the winter anymore.
Radixjournal.com.
And Richard is a man who has hosted me at his events.
We've broken bread together.
I look forward to spending time with Richard in and out of the trenches going forward, hopefully for many years to come.
One last question, Richard, now that I've worked that in.
General question.
Any NPI conferences or the like coming up on the West Coast or anywhere outside of DC?
You like the DC area, obviously, for obvious reasons, but we really don't like you there.
But I like the DC area, but I have some really interesting plans for conferences in the future.
A lot of these are going to be private.
We actually did one in conjunction with Kyle Bristow and some other people in Detroit, where we had a ton of people.
I think we're going to do, we're going to, we're going to change things up in this year, but we are going to be back in D.C. and we are going to be public.
Absolutely.
All right, Richard, final word to the audience.
Anything I haven't covered?
We have seconds remaining.
No, I just, you know, I'm really happy with your support and I've got your back.
That's all I say.
Well, thank you, Richard.
I appreciate it.
Folks, I've got a video of an interview with Richard when he had a buzz cut.
Can you believe it?
That's how far back Richard and I go.
And it's quite good, the content.
Richard, thank you, my friend, and Godspeed to you.