March 16, 2013 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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All right, everybody, welcome back to the Political Cesspool Radio Program Saturday evening, March 16th.
James Edwards here in the studio with you from our flagship station in Memphis, Tennessee, going out to AMF and an affiliate to the Liberty News Radio Network and Simonecasting Online to a global audience.
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And as I said, it's going to be a special show, a fun show.
We've got a lot of different things we're doing this evening.
I had a lot of fun during the first hour with Keith Alexander, and at the very end, Peter Scoop Stanton as we made a mockery of the left.
Well, I guess we just let the left make a mockery of themselves, and we just talked about it.
Third and final hour, as the tribute to Bill Rowland continues, we're going to go back to an interview that he conducted in 2006 with Jim Gilchrist of the Minuteman Project.
But first, and right now, I should say, Winston Smith is joining us once again, and he has another very special guest on to promote one of his most recent novels.
And it's a regular guest that we're very high on.
Winston, take it from there, my friend.
Thank you very much, James.
My friends, I'm pleased to once again welcome my friend, Andy No Wicky's The Political Cesspool.
Excuse me there.
I didn't mean to choke on it.
Anyhow, Andy, Benny No Wicki is the author of the controversial cult classic, Olivine Gildum, which I highly recommend.
If you're a reader with a night gallery sort of bent, if you know what I mean, he lives and works in Savannah, Georgia.
His other published books include Considering Suicide, Under the Hill, and The Doctor and the Heretic.
He's also a regular contributing editor for the online journal Alternative Rights.
He's here tonight to discuss his latest novel, Heart Killer.
And at YouTube, you can see Andy described the story.
Just do a search for Heart Killer, Andy Nowicki.
And you can keep up with Andy's comings and goings by visiting his blog called Dyspeptic Myopic.
Interesting title that in my mind only confirms Andy Nowicki's writerliness.
So with that, I say, Andy, welcome once again to the Political Cesspool.
Well, thank you, Winston and James.
Thank you both for having me again.
It's most appreciated.
It's good to be here.
Oh, don't thank James.
I'm the one that got you on the show, man.
Okay, well, thank you, Winston, and thanks, James, for reluctantly agreeing.
No, no, my friend.
I take good advice, and when your name's included, it's just that much better.
Well, thanks.
Okay, Andy, let's treat the listeners to the Cliffs Notes version of Heart Killer.
Could you give it to us, please?
The Cliffs Notes version of Heart Killer, let's see, if I were to pitch this novel that I've written, which of course I am doing, to likely or potential readers, which of course I am doing, I would say that this is a novel about, well, to start really generally, this is a novel about the desire for vengeance, the desire for revenge, I should say, and revenge shades into vengeance, I suppose.
Revenge is being something that we can all, I think, relate to universally, as know, just on a gut level.
Now, you know, if we're good and proper Christians, of course we we, we say vengeance is mine, saith the Lord, and you know, turn the other cheek and all those kinds of things.
But even yes, we laugh at that.
I mean it's, it's hard, it's not easy, and I think that it's you know we, we chuckle at those kinds of things because it's you know it's, or just hearing those kinds of what sound to us as platitudes, just because, because revenge is such a, like I said, something that just comes very naturally, or the desire for it comes very naturally.
We, we all feel wronged in one way or another.
We all would like to get, even for our, the wrongs that we've suffered or that we believe we've suffered, and that that makes up a big part of who we are.
And that's part of what the story is about, Heart Killer, the desire for revenge, and also it's about the, the terrible vengeance, that of desire itself.
When we speak of, of revenge or the desire for revenge, what first comes to mind as a, as a kind of battlefield.
Well, high school, and you know, we think back, maybe not for everybody, but but certainly for me and I think for a lot of people, you know, we think back on the kind of the cruelties that that we suffered during it, during our adolescence, in one way or another, especially if we were not lucky enough to be on the popular side of things, and that wasn't you.
But well, I'll leave myself out of it.
But in any case I'm sorry you were happening.
You obviously knew me back then.
Yes indeed, I was happening.
But in any case, the when adolescence strikes, of course what, what else strikes is puberty and sexual desire, and so and often, so often, we see our first the, the first manifestations of our sexuality, is so often, so tragically often, infused with humiliation.
And and so the two.
And so, for the main character of Heart Killer, of course, these two things, for both of the characters in Heart Killer, the two things their their, their sexuality, their desire and their, their desire for, for revenge or vengeance, for evening the score, these things, these two things kind of get morphed together in a very unusual and provocative way.
And other ways I would, I would sell it, you know, if I were to to pitch it, I would say this is also, I mean, it's a.
It's a complicated story in some ways, but it's also a very simple story in some ways.
It's a story of star-crossed lovers on a crash course, each of them far from perfect, both of them suffering or struggling in many ways with certain personality defects, but I would say both relatable.
You know, it's not sympathetic exactly.
And also this is a mystery thriller and I kind of done it and, and you know, with a little bit of alternate history and time travel thrown in the mix, just for good measure.
So so there you have it.
There's the Cliff Doats version, Heart Killer.
Folks, I want, I do want to tell you that that Heart Killer is a It's not a departure for Andy Nowicki's work, but it is something that is definitely amped up, if you will.
And it is certainly not for squeamish writers, screamish readers, and it's absolutely not for children.
We're going to deal with those themes a little bit later.
And if you get put off by Andy mentioning the sexual themes in it, I ask you to please hang on.
There's more to this story than meets the eye.
I've read it twice, and I got something out of it both times.
I'll have blood for you.
Thank you, man.
There are only two main characters in the story.
There's Francis Newman and Johan Salvador.
Winston, you know, the music's coming up, so that means a commercial break is right around the corner, and we're at it now.
Folks, stay tuned.
When we return, Winston Smith will continue his interview of Andy Nowicki, noted author and columnist, here to promote his one of his latest books, Heart Killer.
Stay tuned.
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And here's the host of the Political Cesspool, James Edwards.
Welcome back to the show, everybody.
James Edwards here in studio, Winston Smith, co-hosting with me tonight, and our featured guest of the evening, Andy Nowicki, author.
His latest novel, Heartkiller, is the subject of the entire hour of the broadcast this evening.
But don't forget, ladies and gentlemen, as we've mentioned a couple of times previously, that in tonight's third and final hour, we're going to go back into the broadcast archives all the way back to 2006 and catch a classic interview that the late, great Bill Rowland conducted with Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen Project.
This follows on the heel of the interview that we replayed last week during the third hour, Bill and Michael Andrew Grissom.
And we're going to continue to do that during the third hour of each broadcast during the month of March to honor our recently lost friend and confederate, Winston Smith, though.
Continuing now, Winston, you know, we mentioned previously about listeners all over the world tuned in this evening.
I got an email from one in particular that wanted me to give you a very hearty hello.
And that would be our producer, Art Frith, who was tuned in this evening up in Michigan.
He says hello and wants you to know it.
Well, thank you very much, James.
And thank you, Chief Frith.
I appreciate that.
I hate that we are also spread around the country.
And, you know, who knows?
Maybe one day we can have a political cesspool reunion, unfortunately, minus one, but you'll be with us always in our hearts and minds.
But thank you very much, James, and thank you, Chief Art Fritt.
I appreciate it.
We've got to wait till we all get to heaven before we can reunite with Bill.
But until then, I second the emotion, as Smokey Robinson would say.
And we should all get together and do that.
Chief, I know you're listening.
Book a ticket back down to Memphis.
We'll let Winston pay the bill since he invited you.
Hey, listen, folks, getting back to the heart of the matter, Winston, you and I, I guess, shared a text message exchange for an hour and a half, two hours talking about this interview.
It's one that I'm very excited about and glad that you are conducting.
So by all means, I'm going to step back and let you take it away once again with our featured guest, Andy Nowicki.
Back to Heart Killer.
I'll bet you are glad I'm the one doing the interview.
All right, so before I went on the break, I'd introduced the two main characters of Andy Nowicki's latest novel, Heart Killer.
And those two characters are Francis Newman and John Salvadorus.
So Andy, I'd like you to ask you to, as delicately as you can, to please tell us about some of Frances Newman's experiences and how they prepare her for her encounter with Johann Salvador.
Well, Frances Newman, who for most of the book is named Frances Lazarus.
Newman is her married name.
She's married near the end of the story.
But Frances is, well, like Johan, is somewhat of a paradox.
On the one hand, to the visible eye, to most people's perception, she is a successful, strong, glamorous, beautiful woman who has succeeded on her own terms, you know, the essence of feminism as feminism is seen by some, I suppose.
And yet, she is really has a side that she keeps hidden from the world that is much more much more real, much more accurately defines her.
But on a more surface level, of course, talking about the character, Frances is a very ambitious, clever, smart FBI profiler.
And she made it big in the early part of her career, in the early 80s, by exposing this one serial killer of numerous, exposing his numerous crimes, being responsible for, in essence, putting him away.
And she gained a lot of notoriety in popular culture, appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone and other places, wrote a book, a biography, a TV movie was made about her.
And yet, all along, she is really struggling in a way that nobody knows.
And, of course, at the beginning of the story or near the beginning of her story, she meets up with Johann Salvadorus when there's this case of all these beautiful girls mysteriously dying, seemingly of suicides, the most popular girls at this particular school, this high school near Atlanta, Georgia.
And so she goes to investigate this case because there's some evidence of foul play, although it's not, you know, it's not there right there on the surface.
But she ends up talking to the boy who she takes to be the prime suspect in some manner, who is Johann Salvadorus.
And when they meet up, of course, Sparks Fly.
Andy, how old is Johan Salvadoris at the point that he meets Francis?
Well, this is getting into some of the books more complicated territory.
But he is, I believe, 17 at the time that they meet up.
So she's a grown woman, he's a teenager, and yet things are not what they seem.
And what we find out later on is that Johan has actually led a full life into middle-aged, into middle age, and has gone back in time and taken his teenage body again.
But of course, we don't know this at first.
I'm kind of giving that away right now, just because I think it facilitates our discussion.
Frances introduces us to, in her words, quote, a captivating and unsettling young man named Johann Salvador, unquote.
And we find out that Johan is just as damaged as Francis is.
And folks, when I say damaged, take my word for it.
These people are messed up.
But he's strange, even enigmatic, so much so that Francis describes him this way.
Just who was this boy, this Johan?
Why did he seem so oddly, psychically misshapen, as if his own skin somehow didn't fit the shape of his soul?
That was a great description.
I like that.
I highlighted that.
I never highlight my books.
Thank you.
Andy, would you tell us about Johan Salvador?
Well, as I said before, Johan has a strange character arc, But it's based off of a premise that I think is fairly close to universal, and that is looking back at our youth, a lot of us, you know, a lot of times we wonder, what, boy, if only I could have been X age again, have had that experience again, I would have done this differently.
I would have done that differently.
You know, I wouldn't have been so timid.
I would have taken more chances.
You know, what did I really have to lose?
Why was I playing it so safe and so forth and so on?
You know, we all have regrets, and most often our regrets are centered around things we didn't do rather than things we did do.
I mean, I shouldn't say always, but often they are.
I mean, there are people with true regrets for things that they, for actions they took as well.
But in Johan's case, he grows up nursing.
He, while a boy for the first time, you know, in his first, in stuff, going through his first adolescence, he had a terrible time.
He's, you know, much like my character in the Columbine Pilgrim, Tony Meander.
He's mocked and made fun of.
And, you know, he has absolutely no success with girls, fantasizes a lot, but of course he's looked down on as a nerd and a geek and a loser and all those kinds of things.
And, you know, adolescents, teenage years, are, as I said, we're no more vulnerable than we are at that time.
And yet, our peers are usually never crueler than they are at that time.
And so that shaped the character of Johan in ways that, well, I'll wait till after the break because I hear the music swell.
Andy, you are good at this.
I'll tell you, you're a pro.
You know what the music means.
We're going to take that break, and Winston Smith and Andy Nowicki will continue their discussion of the novel Heart Killer right after these words from our sponsors.
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I know at some point Andy's going to remind us how we can get a copy of Heart Killer.
And Andy, by all means, take the opportunity to get that information out there whenever you feel prompted to do so.
But getting back to the story itself, Winston Smith continuing on with his interview of Andy Nowiki.
Thanks, James.
And I'll take the opportunity now to tell folks where they can lay hold of a copy.
It's available at erbooks.com.
It's a British publishing house, and you'll get the international experience of having a few bucks converted into English pounds.
And it'll make you feel like James Bond, believe me.
You can also get it at Amazon.com.
What can't you get at Amazon.com?
And again, I'll encourage you to go to YouTube and do a search for Heart Killer Andy Noiki.
Again, you can go to Andy's blog at Dyspeptic Myopic.
All right.
Continuing on, Andy, you had started telling us about the character Johan Salvador.
Is there anything else you wanted to say about him?
Yes, well, the last thing I said was that he, of course, in his first, his initial adolescence was terrible and scarred him and moreover left him with this desire, this thirst for revenge.
He wanted to get back at the people who tormented him, very much like, in some ways, like the character in my other book, The Columbine Pilgrim.
Although Johan goes about things rather differently than Tony Meander, the character in the Columbine Pilgrim.
Johan, because, as I said, this is a book about the desire for revenge and the vengeance of desire.
For Johan, these two things are all enmeshed.
He remembers being rejected and not just rejected, but humiliated and laughed at by the girls that he lusted after in high school.
And so as a result, he when he gets into his twenties, he, through his own force of will, becomes this sort of self-taught pickup artist slash Don Juan Casanova type.
But he does it out of a desire just to wreak havoc more than anything else.
It's not out of a desire to satisfy or fulfill his lusts.
Rather, he wants to he keys into, figures out a way to seduce women, women who think that they're above him and above his station.
And he goes about it and goes about very ruthlessly and ultimately successfully.
And then he takes it to a certain level and eventually it's like sort of, where do I go from here?
And there's also this sort of awareness that his innocence has been shredded and part of him would like to have it back.
And then through some miraculous intervention that's never really explained, he wakes up one morning in his 16-year-old body.
And he's back at high school again with the consciousness of this 41-year-old Casanova with this ruthless seductive abilities, these ruthless seductive abilities.
And of course, this feeds into the whole question, what would I do differently?
And if you go back to high school and all of a sudden you look like the same pathetic, nerdy little twit, but deep down inside, you're this confident grown man.
In some ways, it's like a kid in a candy shop or whatever kind of cliché you can think of.
And so he ends up going back.
And at first, he resists this desire to ply his seductive skills.
But eventually he gives in and ends up seducing the girl who was the object of his desires the first time around and then of course who rejected him.
This time she is unable to resist him and it leads to her humiliation and that in turn leads to this has this domino effect that the dominoes fall across the entirety of history.
Yeah, you mentioned earlier that Johan explores is a kind of a he mashes together the desire of vengeance and the vengeance of desire.
And Frances does something that seems rather similar to me.
She meshes evil and God together so tightly that eventually evil becomes not a God to Francis, but evil becomes God.
Is that an accurate asset?
Is that accurate?
Well, that's astute.
That's a good interpretation.
And I think there's a lot of truth to it.
I think Frances is struggling like Johan.
You know, she I mean, you've given it away.
I haven't I guess I didn't mention this before, but but she has this kink, and that is that, you know, in spite of her, you know, her very successful and Seemingly very dominant persona, she secretly likes the idea of being dominated by men.
And it's interesting in some ways, you know, I wrote this book before ever hearing about 50 Shades of Gray and this whole phenomenon of the, you know, the in some ways it's a kind of a paradox itself.
We live in a time of feminism supreme, where it's just sort of the default position to be a feminist, whoever you are.
And if you aren't, if you raise questions about it, then, you know, woe betide you.
And yet and yet the most popular books out there that women are reading are about women who desire to be dominated and have some strong manly macho figure really dominate them and to be submissive to this kind of man.
And so in a way, and this is what Frances develops, this fetish.
And of course, it's complicated in her case, the kind of things that have led to it.
You know, a very bad relationship with a very bad father and a really poor sibling relationship with an older sister who was very cruel to her during their childhood together.
Anyway, you never really know how these things happen.
What causes us to desire the things that we want?
I mean, we have to, again, if we are believers, if we're Christians or even just if we believe that there have to be limitations, which most normal, rational people do, you've got to kind of tame your desires.
And yet, they can be a monster.
And that's the case with both of the characters in Heart Killer.
They're both fighting against a roaring monster within them.
Andy, we're running out of time, but I want to jump into some other questions of a different nature regarding Heart Killer.
Your previous novels, they all have dark and disturbing themes, despair and suicide, and insurmountable failure, metal breakdown, government sanctioned medical experimentation and mass murder.
And then there's the really bad stuff that I don't want to mention.
Heart Killer is like nothing I've read before.
The language is vulgar.
The characters are depraved.
The situations are lurid and obscene.
But other than that, it's pretty good read.
Now, you and I are.
I feel like I'm getting a tongue-lashing here.
Oh, no, not at all.
I know.
You and I are fully devoted to our respective religions.
You're a devout Roman Catholic.
And how about that new boat?
And I'm a great Calvinist.
And many of our spiritual brothers and sisters might question our morals, even our Christianity, in your case for writing Heart Killer, and in my case, for reading and enjoying it.
Would their criticism be justified?
No, you know, I've thought about this question a lot.
And, you know, it doesn't bother me at all if it's not if it's not to people's taste.
You know, of course people don't have to like it.
But I really think that there is, unfortunately, among a lot of conservatives and maybe especially among religious conservatives, religious conservatives, people who are devout, and I'm all for Devout faith and the promulgation of devout faith, but there really is this kind of Philistinism among some of them that annoys me.
Where if Andy, they're playing our song again, my friend.
Stay tuned, folks.
We're going to wrap up this interview with Andy Nowicki in the final segment of the second hour right after this.
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All right, everybody, one final segment left in the second hour.
The primary and sole focus of this hour has been the promotion of Andy Nowicki's book, Heart Killer.
Winston Smith, a fan of the title, read it twice.
And he is here to interview Andy this evening.
And we will get to the conclusion of that interview right after I remind you one more time that forthcoming in the third and final hour of Zenite Show, we will go back to the year 2006 and feature an interview that Bill Rowland conducted with Jim Gilchrist of the Minuteman Project.
Continuing on our memorialization of Bill Rowland during the third and final hour each week during the month of March.
But first, back to you, Winston and Andy.
Thanks, James.
Andy, continuing on with our, shall I say, our defense as to why you can write these very disturbing novels and how I can enjoy them, even though we both are most assuredly committed to our religions.
You know, I have an English degree.
I've been a student of English since high school, and I enjoy reading it.
I enjoy reading literature to appreciate the techniques that authors use as well as the stories.
And I guess that allows me to look past, in this case, all the luridness and perversion and sickness, really, that's represented in Heart Killer to see what's behind the story.
And I'm not going to make any apologies to anybody for that.
And I don't think you should make apologies for writing it.
What do you think of that?
Yes, well, I totally agree.
I mean, as I was saying before, maybe I'll approach it this way.
You know, I think most of what is discussed on Political Festival and other sites like Alternative Right, the site that I write for, are things related to politics or culture or society.
But I really think if we're going to have a vibrant movement, there has to be, there's an aesthetic prong to conservatism, to alternative rightism, to whatever we want to call what we are.
And that's one of the things I'm really trying to bring about is a renaissance on the right among, and there used to be, in the early part of the 20th century, there were many famous writers, successful writers, who were openly right-wing, conservative, extremely conservative types.
And that's really not the case so much today.
And I think in a lot of ways, conservatism has been afflicted with, as I was saying, a kind of Philistinism where it's like, oh, if it's got sex and violence in it, then it must be bad.
And, you know, of course, I'm not advocating sex and violence or profanity or anything else as being somehow good in themselves.
I'm saying it's all about the context.
And for me, with this book, Heartkiller, and I think for other books that I've written, it is about what I'm trying to do is establish in some ways the modern crisis, sort of like what Dostoevsky attempted to do in his work.
I really see my work in some ways being parallel to Dostoevsky's Notes from Underground, although I, of course, don't claim to be the next coming of Dostoevsky.
I'm not that ambitious or foolishly arrogant.
But I try not to be anyway.
But anyway, I mean, you have to aim high, you know.
But so that's the deal with Heart Killer.
And it is, I mean, you say it's more, it goes beyond anything that you've read before by me.
And I mean, but you mean it, but that you liked it.
And I appreciate that.
I mean, I really appreciate you saying that, and I appreciate you having me on, giving me a chance to talk about it.
To me, though, I don't know if, I mean, if I was to think about things that I've written that I find extremely disturbing, I would say that the Columbine Pilgrim is significantly more disturbing than Heart Killer because of how it ends and because there's really no,
I think there's, you know, at the end of that story, the main character has chosen his route and there's really, you know, he's in the bowels of hell right now and there's really nothing that can be done.
I mean, it's over.
And whereas in this case, you know, you've got characters who are really struggling and, you know, trying to be good, trying to do the right thing, maybe often not trying hard enough, as we hardly ever do.
Most of us, you know, or, you know, often we don't try hard enough, but we all, you know, we're aware of the struggle.
And I guess it sort of depends.
And I don't mean to go on and on here, but Heart Killer is a very, you know, sexually explicit novel.
I guess that has its own kind of, you know, people have their own kind of opinions about that, especially, you know, people of religious conviction who might just think that this is just something you stay away, you absolutely stay away from no matter what, you know, is these explicit depictions of sex.
But I don't know.
I mean, is it okay to have somebody mowing down a whole crowd of people and fixating on their injuries and shooting them in the face and doing all the kind of things that you see happening in the Columbine Pilgrim?
It's sort of a tomato tomato kind of thing, I guess.
Well, I enjoy Heartkiller, and I think there are plenty of reasons why many heretofore schemish readers would enjoy it as well.
I'd like to thank you for joining us tonight.
You're not only a provocative novelist, but you're also an insightful thinker and social commentator.
I visit Alternative Ride a couple times a week, and each new article you post there is always the first one I read.
So once again, thanks, Andy, for joining Antholical Successful.
I appreciate your work, and I hope other people will give it a try.
They probably should not start with Heart Killer, though.
Go to the Columbine Pilgrim.
Yeah, go to the Columbine Pilgrim first, and that'll be a good introduction to Andy No Wicky.
Well, thanks again for having me.
And again, if I could say, just if you want to, if you're interested in the book, you can find it from the publisher, which is erbooks.com, or you can find it on Amazon.
Just type in Heartkiller and type in my name to see some of the other things I've published.
All right.
Well, thank you very much, Andy.
I look forward to our conversations on Facebook Messenger.
And you're just a great guy.
And I really enjoy being a colleague of yours.
Thanks again, brother.
Thanks, Winston.
That's very sweet of you.
Thanks a lot.
Thanks, James, for having me as well.
All right.
See you next time, Andy.
Well, Winston, you did it, brother.
You know, we were talking all week in preparation for this interview, which was preordained that I would kind of take a backseat role.
Reasons for not the least of which being that you've read the book and I have just ordered it, but I guess you should have been the one to have interviewed it.
But I had heard a lot about this book.
When you told me a week ago that you wanted to have Andy back on, I was thinking to myself, well, that's good.
Andy's always a good interview.
And then when you told me you were having him on to talk about Heart Killer, because he's written a couple of books since he last appeared, I was even more intrigued.
And I know this was something you wanted to do, so I'm glad that it happened.
Well, it's definitely a novel like none other I've ever read.
And I can see where people of our sensitivities or maybe more sensitive sensitivities would be very put off by it because it is a very harsh book.
And as I said, the language is vulgar, the scenes are obscene.
But still, if you have the literary fortitude, you will find a lot there to appreciate.
Not just in the story, but in Andy Nowicki's technique.
He's very innovative.
That's one good word I would use for him.
He's very innovative.
And most of his writing is in the first person, so you actually get the impression that you're inside the narrator's head.
And I encourage folks to try it.
But again, do not start with Heartkiller.
Go to Combine Pilgrim.
The ending will keep you thinking for weeks, if not months.
I still think about it occasionally.
Well, Winston, the star of this hour is without question your facilitator to bring her into this.
I wanted to thank her for the wizardry in making you available this evening.
Of course, Winston, you've suffered the loss of your hearing.
So you're here this evening, as always, at least for your last several appearances, with the aid of a courtroom transcriptionist who is relaying to you what she hears spoken on the air.
You're reading it and responding in kind.
It's a marvelous system you've set up.
I hope we can exploit it much more often.
Well, she's very kind to donate her time to this effort.
And believe me, man, she types crazy fast.
I don't know if there's any much of a time lag between what she types and what you say, but I think the timing is working out just right.
And she's really very kind to do this for us.
And I hope we're making it, I hope we're taking good advantage of her efforts because I'm sure it's not easy for her to do it.
And I appreciate it.
Well, I wanted to give credit where credit is due.
Certainly, credit is due to her this evening.
And I know, Winston, you'll be back in two weeks with another great interview, which we'll be promoting on the website in short order.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's the end of the second hour.
On behalf of our guests, Andy Nowicki and Winston Smith, I'm James Edwards, and I'll be back to wrap things up in the third and final hour as we revisit a classic interview conducted by our dearly departed friend Bill Rowland.