Nov. 3, 2012 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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All right, everybody, welcome back to the third and the final hour of what's been another, if I do say so myself, stellar edition of the Political Cesspool radio program.
James Edwards here.
Saturday, November 3rd, our last show before the election, and we just talked to a man whose name will appear on some ballots for president.
And we did it all from our flagship station going out to the AMFM affiliates of the Liberty News Radio Network.
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I tell you, the third hour, you're in for a treat.
We're going to be talking about energy.
Energy has been a big issue in this campaign.
And it's one that all too often gets neglected on this radio program because resources that America is going to use to power us into the years to come is obviously vital importance.
It's something we use every day.
So it should be discussed more.
And thankfully, we have an expert guest on the program this evening, Edwin Taylor.
He is a physics professional from Montana.
And he is on to break down this issue in depth and just in time.
And not a moment too soon.
Edwin, thanks so much for taking the time out of your schedule to appear with us tonight.
It's our pleasure to host you, sir.
Really is a pleasure to talk with you and our people for an hour tonight, James, about some of the issues that we're going to be facing for the next several decades.
Well, I look forward to it.
As you just mentioned, you will be our guest for the entirety of this third and final hour.
And Keith Alexander is still sitting in the studio with me, and he has some questions for you as well.
But let's just get started off with this one.
With regards to energy, just what is it that our leaders and the two major presidential candidates, what is it that they believe in with regards to this vitally important issue?
Well, what they believe in is something that I'd call an infinite growth paradigm.
They think that our economy has to grow and grow and grow forever.
And they think that our population has to grow and grow exponentially forever.
And what fuels this growth is the master resource, energy.
It's based almost entirely on increased energy consumption.
And just to put what we're going to say about energy and growth into some context, I'd just like to discuss what this growth has been doing to the United States since 1965.
And what we've basically been doing is we've been handing our culture and our civilization away to third world mestizos.
And it's an absolutely terrifying situation.
The North American continent is unlike any other continent.
To the north, in the United States and Canada, white people chose to remain racially pure.
White people have racial integrity, racial completeness.
The United States and Canada are first world countries.
To the south of the North American continent, in Mexico and Central America, white Western European immigrants interbred with the American Indian population in wide numbers.
And now we see this absolutely horrifying regression in culture and regression in civilization into the third world.
So by letting all these mestizos run across the border, we're becoming a third world country, and it's now coming to an end.
There's now more mestizos going back to Mexico than entering.
And I'll talk about that.
But everything about this country was invented by white people.
All of our patents, all of our technology, all of our material traits, all the curriculum taught in our universities, everything about this country is our culture.
And we're a generous people, but I think that we're being a little bit too generous in letting all these third worlders pour in by the millions.
And what was powering this growth was an infinite growth paradigm, an idea that the economy and population should or could grow forever.
Now, do you know what started this infinite growth paradigm, Jane?
I do not, but I'm hoping that you will provide me with the answer.
Well, it started in your home country of England in the 1700s when the Scottish inventor James Watt invented a steam engine that could harness economical work from coal.
All right.
And England had more coal than Saudi Arabia has oil.
And that started economic growth and economic expansion.
And in 1865, fossil fuel consumption was in full swing in the United States.
Fossil fuel consumption from 1800 to 1970 grew by 3.5% per year.
At 3.5% per year, it doubles in 20 years, four times as much in 40, 8 in 60.
In 100 years, it's 32 times as much.
In 120 years, 64, we just kept ramping it up to create the modern world.
And in 1865, we freed the slaves.
And why did we do that?
For thousands of years, slavery was the necessity for any type of civilization.
The Romans had slaves, the Greeks had slaves.
It was needed in order to manufacture anything you own.
It was needed for civilization.
But in 1865, it became cheaper to get manufacturing and industry done by coal.
So it actually became more expensive to own slaves.
With industrialization, the average American could control the equivalent of hundreds of slaves, the services of hundreds of slaves using machines that run on fossil fuels.
Now, in 2005, the average American used 25 barrels of oil, 4 tons of coal, and 73,000 cubic feet of natural gas a year.
That's the equivalent of 15 tons of coal per person per year.
Now, the enormous fossil energy that we control feeds machines that allow us to become the masters of an army of mechanical slaves.
Human muscle power is 35 watt or 1 20th horsepower.
The energy equivalent of 3,000 men push our cars down the road or 1 million men lifted airplane across the sky.
The average industrial factory worker has it as best he can call 300 men.
In our homes, we have 100 faithful helpers using electricity.
And this energy is what powers economic growth and powers population growth.
The energy to light, heat, cool, manufacture, transport, feed, clothe, electrify, and provide everything about the society.
It's based upon these fossil fuels.
Now, up until 1965, this infinite growth paradigm was probably a good thing.
Edwin, I hate to interrupt you, my friend, but we're going to take a break.
I hear our music in the background.
Very interesting theories you're putting forth here, and I look forward to exploring them more on the flip side of this break.
Stay tuned, everybody.
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All right, everybody, continuing on now with what has already turned into be an absolutely riveting and enthralling interview with Edwin Taylor.
He's an expert on energy.
It's a signature issue, and he's on with us to put forth some new theories, things that certainly I haven't heard laid out in public discourse, but that's what the Political Cess Pool is here for.
And I was looking at Keith Alexander as we were listening to Edwin's commentary there in that opening segment, and Keith was just sitting there, you know, wild-eyed and bush-tailed.
We are both just very intrigued, dare I say, mesmerized by some of the things we're hearing right now.
And Edwin is following such a logical progression in presenting his case that he needs no shepherding from me with regards to an interview.
Edwin, by all means, pick up where you were leaving off and we'll tag along for the ride.
Well, in 1865, we freed the slaves and we made fossil fuels our slaves.
And we just kept growing the economy and growing our wealth using machines that we invented that can economically extract work from fossil fuels.
And that kept growing and growing and growing.
And then in the 1950s and 1960s, something happened.
And what happened is that job creation is based upon increased energy consumption to create all these jobs.
And all we hear in the media is we have to just keep creating all these jobs.
It takes energy to do that.
So just take, for instance, a job at McDonald's.
Okay, so we've got to drive to work, drive to McDonald's, takes energy to do that.
Our roads are paved in asphalt.
That comes from oil.
There's seven gallons of oil in every tire, the paints and plastics in the car are made from oil.
To make the McDonald's, steel and concrete, need energy to do that.
The food they sell at the McDonald's, every calorie of food we eat is a result of 10 calories of fossil fuels for tractors, nitrogen fertilizer, trucking the food to McDonald's.
They have to heat and cook the food and heat and light the building.
Everything about it is energy intensive.
To create these jobs takes energy.
So in the 1950s and 1960s, U.S. oil consumption doubled in the 1950s.
It doubled again in the 1960s.
The same for natural gas.
And in each of those decades, more oil was consumed than in all of our previous history.
In the 50s, we used more oil than all our previous history.
Then in the 60s, we doubled it.
So it was more than all of our previous history, even with the 50s.
And so many jobs were created that women, for the first time, stopped being housewives and started working.
And then when women work, they only have one or two kids, I didn't like four or five, and it created feminism.
So it thrust us into this sort of modern world of high energy consumption and lowered our birth rate.
And at the same time that it happened, in order to just keep the population growing and keep growth going, and we didn't know how to do anything but grow and grow and grow, we started letting in third world peoples in 1965.
So in 1965, we went to a turning point where we were consuming very high levels of energy, and it was almost like growth was too much growth.
In nature, nothing grows forever.
There's birth, growth, maturation, decline, and death.
If something grows forever, it's obesity or a tumor.
So we really should have thought about slowing down economic growth and slowing down population growth, but our leaders just wanted to keep the economy humming along and the population growing, so we just kept ramping up fossil fuels.
And in 1970, the United States peaked in oil production, and so we had to just keep importing more and more oil and became this obscenely huge oil importer.
And what they were setting us up for was a Maximist doctrine.
Because if all this growth is based upon more and more fossil fuels, there's only so much of this stuff in the earth.
So how long is it going to take until they're not able to mine it fast enough to offset decline?
And it peaks and goes into decline.
And then things break down to chaos and anarchy and mass genocide.
And you just go back to the America of Thomas Jefferson.
What our politicians were doing with this population growth and economic growth wasn't natural.
It was based upon just burning off fossil fuels faster and faster and faster.
The more natural state was in the 1800s or maybe the 1950s or earlier.
So this modern, when everybody consumes so much and owns so much, makes people more liberal.
People were more conservative in the 1800s.
So this whole past 50 years of our politicians being liberal was just based upon burning off fossil fuels.
And now fossil fuels are starting to run out slowly.
That's going to change everything about this society.
Well, let me ask you this, Edwin.
And I know Keith has a question for you as well.
And hopefully we can get to it for the next commercial.
If not, Keith will be on deck right after the break.
But given how our leaders want to keep thrusting more growth upon us, more immigrants, more jobs, more overconsumption, and you were just talking about how we get the bulk of our energy, 85 plus percent, from fossil fuels.
Just how long will it be until they run out, in your opinion?
Well, the United, there's two things to look at.
One is the United States.
The other is the world as a whole.
The world as a whole is more important because you can always import.
But when the world starts to run out, you can't do that anymore.
The United States peaked in oil production in 1970.
Oil production follows a logistic bell curve.
It doesn't run out all at once.
It starts to become more difficult to mine and the pressure dies down and just geologically it starts to go down.
Now in the second presidential debate, Obama and Romney talked a lot about energy.
And Obama said wind and solar and biofuels are the fuels of the future.
And the way that he said that fuels the future, what he was thinking was, and they always will be.
They will always, they're a joke.
They cause us to use more fossil fuels than if we never bother in the first place.
I'll talk about that.
But then Obama said, oil production is up the highest in 16 years.
Now, if you think about that, that means that it's been declining lower than 17 years ago.
We are doing like 10 times the drilling, all this scrapping, just raping the earth, and it just went up from like 5 million barrels a day to fit.
So it's not even much higher.
And still way down from the 70s.
And Obama said natural gas production is up the highest in decades.
But it's still down from the 1970s, even with way more drilling.
And it takes a lot of energy to do all this drilling, so it's even lower than it sounds.
And Obama said that coal is up.
That isn't even true at all.
Coal has actually been declining in the United States since 1998.
In 1998, we got the energy equivalent to 598 million tons of oil from 1 billion tons of coal.
Now we mine about a billion tons of coal, but get only 500 million tons of oil from it.
West Virginia and Kentucky are past peak.
They're mining coal seams.
They're like six inches thick.
The only coal states that aren't past peak are Wyoming and Montana, which have lower quality substitutes or lignite coal.
It's less energy dense.
So we're running out of the good stuff and having to go after lower quality coal.
And coal will probably be 20% lower in 2020.
Edwin, hold on right there.
We're up on another commercial break.
Keith Alexander has a question for you.
We're going to get to all of it and your continued commentary right after this.
Stay tuned, everybody.
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All right, everybody, welcome back to the Political Cesspool Radio Program.
We're continuing on our discussion and conversation about energy with an expert on the subject, Edwin Taylor from Montana.
He has been methodically laying out his case and providing a commentary the likes of which you will not find anywhere else on the mainstream airwaves.
And I know before we turn it back over to Edwin to continue on, Keith Alexander has a question he would like to infuse into the conversation.
Good evening, Mr. Taylor.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Okay.
Good evening.
Let me ask you this.
Under the Obama administration, the cost of gasoline has approximately doubled from $2 to around $4 a gallon.
Even if we were to control population growth by doing something as radical to the zeitgeist of both parties at this time as sealing the border and actually enforcing our laws on immigration,
how can we meet the reasonable expectations of the American public for low-cost fuel under the scenario that you've just delivered?
Is there any way to do that?
I think that really, when it comes to that, in some ways, the party is over.
There's positives and negatives to that.
I think that by 2020, the United States will be an immigrant nation with more people leaving than entering.
I think that our immigration policies will be changed.
They're already being changed in Canada and Australia.
I think that we'll be an emigrant nation with more people leaving than entering.
And I think the gas will probably be like $8 or $10 a gallon, and the cotton size of our economy will be much smaller.
There'll be much higher unemployment.
Now the world basically peaked in oil production in 2005 and it's been just a plateau since then.
It's been around 74 or 75 million barrels a day ever since 2005, even with China using a lot more, the Middle East using a lot more, Venezuela using a lot more.
So U.S. oil imports have been cut off.
They were 14 million barrels a day in 2005.
Global exports have been declining ever since, and now there's 7 million barrels a day.
So our imports have gone down by half.
By 2020, it'll probably be like 1 million barrels a day.
So it'll be hardly anything.
And we'll just have to make due on our dwindling domestic production, which will be like 5 or 6.
So, I mean, who knows what the price will be?
We could just go really deep into recession and jobs will disappear.
And the price might only be $4 a gallon or it could be $10 a gallon.
But I think that the energy party is basically over with.
And the positive is that at least, you know, the predictions for like 2042 are complete nonsense.
Those predictions are just business as usual.
Just keep ramping up fossil fuels.
Romney said in his speech that in order to pay down our debt, we have to grow the economy.
And the only way to grow the economy is to use a lot more energy.
But the average American uses like 25 barrels of oil, four tons of coal, and a bunch of natural gas.
Can our houses really get even bigger?
Can our cars really get even bigger?
Can we really consume more?
The answer is probably no.
So the only way to grow the economy is to just open the floodgates to the third world.
Well, let me ask you this.
So now that our energy consumption is going to be going down by maybe like 3% per year, not a huge.
Luckily, you peak and it's a gradual decline.
So it'll be a gradual transition, maybe 3% per year.
There'll be high unemployment.
The economy will be shrinking.
And the doors will be closed to the third world.
And third worlders will probably eventually be deported.
So I think we're going to see millions of deportations out of California and Texas.
And California and Texas will probably be a majority white again in maybe about 10 or 15 years.
And I think in 2042, the U.S. population will probably be 250 million, maybe about 70 to 80 percent white.
Now, I've looked at this in detail, and everything about our population and economy is based upon very high levels of energy consumption.
And in 2042, almost all of our fossil fuels will be gone.
Well, let me ask you about our energy consumption, Edwin, if we could just a moment.
What about all of the energy that is not being used in the United States or under the United States control today?
For example, there has been no offshore drilling on the West Coast since the Santa Barbara oil spill in 1973.
That could be accessed for internal consumption in the United States.
All of the oil from the north slope of Alaska, I understand, is going to Asia because people on the West Coast, politicians in particular, don't want it offloaded there for fear of an oil spill.
So consequently, it's going to China, it's going to Korea, it's going to Japan and the Far East.
But it's really American oil that could be used to satisfy American demand.
There's been no new offshore oil drilling in the Gulf or permits granted on public land really throughout the entirety of the Obama administration.
I think there's a problem with getting the American people to accept that we have reached peak oil in the United States when all of these oil resources aren't being used.
And furthermore, there's been this refusal to allow the Keystone pipeline to come through.
Now, address those topics, if you would, Forrest, please.
There might be some truth to that, but I'm not making the claim that we have no oil.
I'm just saying that we can't produce it fast enough.
In the 1960s, offshore drilling was in a few hundred feet of water.
Then in 2010, we see the oil spill that was in like several miles of water.
We're having to go to the edges of the earth to bring new supply forward.
And for the Keystone pipeline, that was supposed to bring Canadian tar stands oil.
The tar sands have maybe 170 billion barrels of oil that's economically recoverable, but that's only enough to last the world about six years.
But we can't even mine it fast enough.
They're working as fast as they can to do about 1.5 million barrels a day.
Under a crash program, that might be 3 million barrels a day by 2030.
But the United States uses like 13 million barrels a day, and it was 19 million barrels a day in 2005.
Plus, we use some biofuels and natural gas liquids, which aren't as energy dense and are less useful.
So the tar sands can't really we can't mine it fast enough and it takes so much energy to mine the tar sands, you're almost putting in as much energy as you get out.
So it's a very limited resource.
And for the Alaska North Slope, that peaked in 1988.
That's been steadily declining since 1988.
I don't believe that we have a huge amount of oil in Alaska.
The United States has been steadily declining since 1970, even with more and more drilling.
And it's bumped up a little bit in the past four years because of North Dakota.
We're doing fracking.
And North Dakota is now the second biggest oil producing state.
And that will probably peak in about five years.
It may be 1 million barrels a day.
But the average well in North Dakota is like 150 barrels a day.
So we're sort of running out of the good stuff.
And we just can't mine what's left fast enough.
So it doesn't mean that you run out.
It just means you have to use less.
And that throws the whole growth-based paradigm out of whack.
What causes our politicians to become almost sort of like white trash and just want to let everybody pour in is this infinite growth paradigm, this idea that you can just keep growing the economy, growing the population.
We've developed what's like a growth culture.
And we started out as a population of 4 million in 1789, spread out across the vast wilderness with seemingly inexhaustible natural resources, and we conserved what was scarce, human labor, and squandered what was abundant, natural resources.
We're still doing the exact same thing today, even with over 300 million people.
Edwin, hold it right there, my friend.
We have a final commercial break for the night.
And when we come back, one more question from Keith, and then it's all over to you for a closing statement on what has been a very, very interesting interview.
We'll be back right after this.
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If energy is your issue, ladies and gentlemen, we have the man you need to be hearing from.
Edwin Taylor has been our guest for the entire hour.
He is going to wrap things up right now.
And before he does so, I just want to say, you know, I've kind of been a silent partner this hour because I've been listening intently as I hope the audience is.
This has been a very interesting hour, not just for tonight's show, but this is one that stands out going back quite a while, I believe.
Edwin, Keith has one final question for you.
I'd like for you to answer it and then take the rest of the remaining time of this segment to present your closing case and argument.
Keith, over to you.
Edwin, Keith Alexander again.
Let me say this.
I think the American public is aware that there are man-made impediments to accessing fossil fuels that have nothing to do with peak oil or a depletion of resources.
For example, the failure to do any drilling in the continental shelf on the west coast.
The fact that they're not allowing Alaskan oil to be pumped down to the lower 48.
We had heard about peak oil before, and then we found out that we have all of this, you know, heretofore unaccessible petroleum resources available through fracking.
The moratorium on drilling in the Gulf, the moratorium on drilling on the East Coast, and the fact that we haven't, because of EPA regulations, constructed one new refinery since the 1970s.
And furthermore, in Memphis, Tennessee, where we live, the one refinery that we do have now is owned by Valero.
Valero is the successor to Pemex, the Mexican national oil company.
And we can't expect foreigners to have the best interests of the American public first and foremost in their minds.
I think we're going to have a very hard sell telling people that we've reached peak oil, peak coal, or peak fossil fuel energy consumption when one, the alternative energy just doesn't seem to be ready for prime time.
It just doesn't, you know, doesn't seem to be producing real energy like the Salindra scandal that we had, for example.
What can we do to access more oil, more coal in America, so we can get a realistic gauge on what whether we really have reached peak oil?
I'm afraid that a lot of people see peak oil and peak coal as some type of manipulation that liberals are trying to foist on the American public to get them to trade down in their livestock.
You know, I think that a lot of Americans feel the same way as you do, and that's why Obama and Romney never actually talk about this directly.
And they're not going to just come out and say, you know, we've reached peak oil or peak coal or peak gas.
But more wells have been drilled for oil in the United States than everywhere else in the world put together several times over, and it's still been steadily declining since 1970.
And I just don't believe that if we had large resources, we wouldn't be using them.
And if you think that this is sort of a looney left conspiracy, you might want to do a YouTube search on Roscoe Bartlett.
Roscoe Bartlett is perhaps the most conservative member of the House of Representatives.
He's from Maryland.
And he's done numerous excellent speeches about peak oil on the floor of the U.S. Congress.
So the government's definitely aware of it.
And in 2010, the U.S. military actually issued a report that was signed off by U.S. Army Four Star General James N. McTees saying that by 2015, the world could be 10 million barrels a day short of oil.
Global oil production hasn't grown at all in eight years.
And any year now, it'll be steadily declining.
And it's looking like China has now probably reached peak coal.
China only has enough coal to last something like 25 years.
And they're probably very close to the peak.
So any year now, the world's going to have declining oil and coal.
And I mean, in the United States, energy consumption is falling.
It's now falling, and our economy is now shrinking.
According to the website, Shadow Government Statistics, the economy is shrinking by 2% per year.
And the real unemployment rate is 23%.
And it's like 7.9%.
They don't count people who've given up looking for work.
It's a manipulative statistic, but the real unemployment rate is 25%.
The majority of college graduates can't find work.
So this whole infinite growth paradigm is going to shift.
And we're going to get used to a shrinking economy and a shrinking population.
And I think a decade from now, things will be sort of like what they're like in the 1950s.
And we'll see millions of deportations.
Now, for alternative energy, a good book is The Solar Fraud by physicist Howard Hayden from Connecticut.
And he lays out how the so-called renewable energy sources can never possibly work.
Liberals are always saying we can use solar, wind, biofuels.
That stuff is never going to work.
And in the end, it'll be nuclear.
The only energy source that can displace any fossil fuels at all is nuclear.
And in 2050, the United States will be getting most of its energy from nuclear power.
And liberals absolutely hate nuclear.
They relegated nuclear to the extreme right.
But human development, everything about the modern world requires energy.
So that might not have been such a wise decision.
Like for solar, it's very energy intensive to make the solar panels.
The electricity is very unreliable.
The sun's only overhead like 10% of the time.
It isn't reliable.
If you store it using lead-acid batteries, it would take more energy to make the batteries and solar panels and you get some solar panels.
It's extremely expensive.
It's a joke.
For biofuels, we're making 12 billion gallons of biofuels a year.
Obama says he wants that to be five times as much in 2030.
We'd be turning our entire food supply into biofuels.
These people don't have any idea what it means to make biofuels.
And you have to use energy to run the tractors, to make the fertilizer, to refine it.
It takes more energy to make biofuels than you get from them.
For corn ethanol, the energy return is negative 46%.
For cellulosic ethanol, it's negative 68%.
For algae biofuels, even worse.
It takes more energy to make them than you get from using them.
So if we keep making more biofuels, that's just going to make our economy shrink even faster, and there'll be food shortages.
And I mean, people on welfare aren't going to make it.
There's going to be food shortages, and people on welfare, IA Blacks, and Mestizos, will not survive.
This is the Malthus doctrine.
This is something more powerful than we've ever experienced.
And I mean, we're going to have a smaller population in 2042.
It's almost guaranteed in 2042 will be like 250 million, 275 million.
And the only thing that comes remotely close to making any difference at all is nuclear.
And, you know, you never hear Obama talking about nuclear.
He canceled the Yet the Mountain repository.
The only time he talks about nuclear is stopping Iran from getting it.
Right.
You know, Iran just wants to use it for electricity.
They don't want to have to use their oil for electricity, which we don't want other people to have nuclear.
But this is the only thing that comes remotely close to actually working.
Now, do you have any idea how long nuclear will last?
Answer the question quickly.
We have about a minute left.
And I'm telling you, I'm already looking forward to part two, a continuation of this interview.
But how long will nuclear last?
Well, the type of nuclear plant we use now is called a light water reactor, which uses less than 1% of the energy in the uranium.
Most of the so-called waste is unused uranium.
But there's a type of nuclear plant called a breeder reactor that uses all the energy in the uranium.
It's about 200 times as efficient.
And for breeder reactors, the fuel supply is no problem at all.
For light water reactors, we actually could be facing a uranium shortage.
So in 2050, the United States will probably have 500 breeder reactors or more, and that'll be most of our energy.
But right now, the United States uses 3.3 terawatts.
So if we were to keep energy.
Edward, we're out of time, and I hate to say that because I want to continue on with this.
We will have to book you for an encore appearance.
But I will tell you, emails have been coming in across the country tonight.
The most recent from John and Raleigh saying fascinating interview, and indeed it was.
And I expect more emails to come in in the days to come as people listen to this in the broadcast archives.
Edwin Taylor has been our guest, and he's been a great one.
For Keith Alexander, I'm James Edwards.
We'll see you next week, everybody, here on the Political Assessment Radio Program brought to you by the Liberty News Radio Network.