Oct. 29, 2011 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome to the Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populous conservative radio program.
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I'm Bill Rowland, standing in for James Edwards, who once again is on the road conducting business and speaking up for our people and our folk.
And tonight, ladies and gentlemen, I am Bill Rowland, by the way, in case you didn't recognize the voice.
We have tonight with us a guest we had on just a short while ago, Elena Mercer.
And she is going to be joining us in just one second.
Do we have Elena on the line?
Bill?
Yes.
Hello, Elena.
It's good to be back.
I'm going to go ahead and give your bio now that you're on the lines and make sure you can hear it and approve it or not.
But Elena Mercer is a widely published classical liberal or libertarian.
She writes the Return to Reason column for WhirlNet Daily.
She is also a fellow at the Jerusalem Institute for Market Studies.
Her latest book, Into the Cannibal's Pot, Lessons for America from Post-Apartheid South Africa, is available from amazon.com and Barnes ⁇ Noble.
How is that, Elena?
Perfect.
Thank you, Bill.
Well, welcome back to the show.
We're delighted to have you.
Yeah, I believe that James has bailed on me.
He only interviews celebrities these days.
I don't know about that, but he's a busy man.
He stays on his feet all the time, and I don't know where he finds time and day to do all the stuff he does.
Very energetic, yeah.
Very energetic and younger than I am.
That's what accounts for it, I'm sure.
I'm only good for sitting.
I'm just my age, but I suspect that I should say ditto.
Well, I guess you come into the show, and we expect there are lots of listeners tonight who've never heard the show, Elena, because of the brouhaha, the controversy over Pat Buchanan appearing on this show talking about his new book and the death of a superpower.
But we're glad to have you on.
You're certainly showing a great deal of courage throwing yourself in front of the guns after what's happened to the smear campaign against Pat.
But as you know, we're not the ogres that we have been portrayed by the media.
Well, even if you were, my position really is not to be cowed by these people.
They've already marginalized reasoned and rational debate.
And I do believe that the, you know, an argument has to, you know, your position stands on your argument and not whether you are able to undermine the motives, character, or associations of the people you dislike.
To undermine my book, I believe a politically correct left or libertarian has to deal with the arguments that they won't do.
The rest is just smear tactics, which is basically an ad hominem fallacy.
So I'm pleased to hear that Pat Buchanan was ferocious and fierce about his right to promulgate his views to whomever.
You know, Elaine, it's been our experience that standing our ground and counterpunching these leftist and really pseudo-communist Bolshevik thugs is really the only way to handle them.
And when you do counterpunch, eventually they realize they're not going to get away with their intimidation campaigns and they go away.
So Pat Buchanan certainly did exactly the right thing to standing his ground and counterpunch.
I hope he doesn't stand back and do what Imus did.
No, no, I don't think he will.
I think sort of the storm is over.
And if you'll notice, the media attention died down once he did start counterpunching.
I think he was on the right.
Well, that's the nature of a bully bill.
Turn the other cheek and then they'll slap it.
That's exactly.
Turning the other cheek means they kick you in the head.
Essentially, they're just going to kick you harder.
And so I think that the media storm is blowing over now because Pat did counterpunch.
And certainly, the media does not want to give him publicity as someone who fights back.
They want it to go away once you start fighting back.
Exactly.
And as for Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, I'm a proud Jew, as you know, and as many of your listeners know, because they chime in about that very aspect of my persona on your blog often.
I know you don't agree with the comments, but Abe Foxman is really something.
He always goes into high dudgeon.
I remember when we had a jihadi in Seattle murder a Jewish woman and critically injure five other women, helpless women, the ADL issued the tersest of statements.
They did not mention the dead, the injured, or the Muslim.
And, you know, a glance of that, those self-appointed representatives of the community, and a glance at their website, and you think that the greatest danger to Jews are marauding Cossacks, you know, Christian Cossacks.
It's ridiculous.
Well, Abe Foxman doesn't scare us, and neither does the SPLC.
And that's why they've actually started leaving us alone and backing off from us a little bit.
But Elena, in just a few minutes, I'm going to turn the mic over to Keith Alexander to once again go back and discuss your book, which is fantastic, very impressive, scary, but absolutely based on fact and not on the fictions we hear in the media.
But before we go to Keith, very quickly, I don't know about you, but I see a rise in militancy among the people on the left.
First with the Occupy Wall Street, which has turned into chaos and really a debacle, but also these cases of flash mobs, which seem to be racially motivated.
It's certainly a rise in militancy, if it's a rise in militancy without really any ideology or belief system.
It's just an anti-white, anti-white anarchy, I guess.
But nevertheless, do you see this?
Do you see a rise in militancy on the left that we haven't seen really since the Vietnam War?
Well, the flash mobs preceded the Occupy Wall Street crowd, or the sleepover, as Michelle Malkin called it.
The smelly sleepover.
And it is quite, it is definitely racially uniform formations of extremely militant young people.
We saw them raid businesses across the country, Chicago, Washington, D.C., Las Vegas, Minnesota, I think Philadelphia too.
And I would like to bring it back, Bill, to you know, it's very hard to make sense of it because these militant identity groups are very weak if you look at it.
They're powerful politically, but they could easily be controlled.
And I'd like to bring it back to speaking about South Africa, where I, and I draw the parallels between South Africa and the U.S. in my book.
Elena, we have a break coming up and music is going to start, but we'll be right back, everybody, with Keith Alexander interviewing Elena Mercer, our guest tonight.
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So tonight, it's Bill Rowland with Keith Alexander interviewing Elena Mercer.
And welcome back to the show.
Elena, in just a second, I'm going to turn you over to Keith Alexander because he wants to go back and discuss your book, which, of course, I think is a, as you say, a lesson for America.
And we see some of these things transpiring in America that did transpire in South Africa.
Again, a rise in militancy, a rise in violence, and suddenly people coming out of the woodwork from the left back on the streets again, I guess, to give some competition to the Tea Party movement.
But Elena, we could do a whole show on the flash mobs and the Occupy Wall Street movement.
But a quick thought on that, and then I'm going to turn this over to Keith for your interview.
Sure.
The parallels to South Africa come to mind.
In South Africa, we have a low-grade war being waged by what I would call a sinecured criminal class against a political, a politically helpless minority.
And the collective consciousness of the African criminal class is that the Europeans in South Africa have become historical fair game.
And the physical vulnerability of the European minority flows from having surrendered their political dominance for the trappings of non-racial constitutional safeguards.
Here you had a minority that decided to forswear control over the state apparatus, right?
And they ceded their mastery and they trusted, invested, in fact, I would say their existential survival in a liberal democracy.
Needless to say, they were optimistic in the sense that they imagined that their partners to the negotiating table would also buy into the same political abstractions and would relinquish race in favor of a constitution as an organizing principle in society.
And that's why they surrendered without it being defeated for this tepid, maybe not tepid, a violent dispensation that they got.
So indeed, you know, you have to have a leap of faith to trust that certain populations will buy into and respect a non-racial constitutional dispensation.
And that's the leap of faith.
With that thought, Elena, I'm going to turn it over to Keith Alexander, who does have some questions and wants to discuss more about this and your book, Into the Cannibal's Pot, Lessons for America.
Elena, this is Keith.
Good to hear you tonight.
Hi, Keith.
Let me say that, you know, one of the things that South Africa never had that America does have was at least in the 1950s, America had a 90% white population.
Now, South Africa, as far as I know, never had a majority white population.
But of course, we're headed in your direction according to UN demographic studies.
The year was originally 2050 when whites in America would become a minority.
Then it was ramped back to 2042.
Now the latest information is 2041.
Things seem to be developing a lot quicker than the demographers thought.
And our position here at the Salespool has been that when whites become a minority, minority rights disappear.
Is that basically what happened in South Africa?
Well, this is what I was just saying prior.
This does seem to be the case.
And I think that Americans should care about what happened in South Africa.
Although I draw parallels in the political processes, obviously there's incredible difference in the complexion and composition of the two societies, America and South Africa.
And therefore, we can draw parallels only in the processes that when you subordinate your civil society and political institutions to the notion of egalitarianism, you can expect that you will have a husk of a society left.
And, you know, my book, I'm not a racialist, I'm an individualist.
And I do write in the book that societies are only as good as the individuals of whom they are comprised.
And unfortunately, South Africa is preponderantly overrun by elements, both in government and outside of government, which makes a safe and thriving society for the individual impossible to sustain.
And when you cannot go about your daily life and make a living, you've relinquished civilization.
Well, one thing that I've been able to divine through my years on this planet has been that every racial and ethnic group has a sense of racial solidarity and racial pride.
Every group except for white Gentiles is not only allowed but encouraged to have a sense of racial solidarity.
How did whites both in South Africa and the former Odysia, now Zimbabwe, and likewise America and Europe get to be deracinated?
How did we get to the point where we no longer have this cultural immune system that Hispanics, Jews, blacks, Asians all seem to have in spades?
Well, I wouldn't say that, you know, as much as I wouldn't say that Jews have that.
I would say Israelis have that.
I think Israelis are really, in a sense, and I make this the case in a chapter entitled Why Do Wasp Societies Wither, that Israelis are really unique in the sense that they do not turn the other cheek.
They fight back.
And because they don't, you know, lift stones and throw back stones at the Palestinians, everyone condemns them, right?
So certainly the difference here, look, you cannot explain why a predominantly triumphant minority, as in South Africa, just relinquished without any defeat.
Yes, there were sanctions and I lived through them.
Believe me, the minority population did not suffer under sanctions.
The majority did.
And the majority were the Africans, right?
It is hard to understand, just as it is similarly difficult to understand how America has just turned itself inside out, you know, in the name of political correctness and PC pietism.
And the conclusion that I come to in the book, and that applies to, and that is really the thread that unites the perspectives on America and South Africa, and that is that it all boils down to this Calvinistic, puritanical inability to assert naked power or supremacy.
Power has to be a concept that is driven by, on Christian terms.
And because you cannot understand it on the face of it, when a strong minority like the South Africans simply rolled over for the trappings of a liberal democracy.
Well, you know, let's put Jews aside for the time being then, but let's just about every group except whites, and I include Jews within that, seem to be, you know, very racially aware and totally unapologetic about politicking for their own what they perceive to be best group interests.
Now, what has happened in America, at least one explanation, is cultural Marxism, that cultural pessimism has been induced, but no one else besides whites seems to be subject to this or vulnerable to this particular virus.
But Keith, I don't think that Western man is racialist.
think he's individualist.
You see, I have a very hard time thinking in terms of...
Elena, hold that thought.
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Well, this is Keith Alexander for the political cesspool, pinch hitting for our fearless leader, James Edwards, who is in parts unknown, taking care of business tonight.
And the business we're taking care of back here at the studio, Bill Rowland and myself, is an interview of Elana Mercer, who is the author of a blog spot on the internet called Barely a Blog.
She's one of the top thinkers, at least in what we call paleoconservative classical liberal.
And she's the author of a new book that's very insightful about what happened in South Africa and what America has to look forward to if present trends demographically don't change or politically don't change.
Elana, are you there?
I'm here, yes.
Well, Atlanta, one of the parallels that I was struck by in your book was the parallels between St. Nelson Mandela in South Africa and St. Martin Luther King in America.
Both of these guys are like Caesar's wife and considered to be beyond reproach in the eyes of the mainstream both of conservatism and liberalism throughout the world.
Tell our audience a little bit about the real Nelson Mandela.
Well, Nelson Mandela, had Nelson Mandela come to power when the Americans wanted him to come to power, actually, I should say that this was in the late 80s.
Reagan fought very hard for a gradual transition in South Africa.
And Margaret Thatcher, bless her, thought it would be insane, living in Cuckoo Land, to let the ANC, a ragtag communistic bunch of revolutionaries who couldn't assemble a bomb without their Swedish groupies, take over an industrialized, highly developed country like South Africa.
But of course, things changed, and the Republican Party turned on Ronald Reagan and said he was out of step with the American people in terms of the need to bring raw-right democracy to South Africa.
So, you know, Nelson Mandela, had he come to power earlier on, South Africa would have circled the drain just like East Europe did and just like the countries to the north of South Africa did.
Because when exploitation, so-called, was replaced with liberation, we know what happened in the rest of Africa.
The leadership promptly, you know, went on to adopt planned economies and tanked the country.
Zimbabwe is an example.
So Saint Mandela is, of course, he's a genial old fellow now, but this is the reason America will not touch the topic of South Africa, even though there is a mini-genocide underway there in terms of the ethnic cleansing of the Afrikaner farmer, rural whites from the land.
But Americans, conservative and liberal alike and the media will not touch the topic of South Africa because somehow Mandela is considered an equivalent to the other gentleman you mentioned.
Yes, it's like there's an invisible shield that prevents people from telling the truth about both Mandela and Martin Luther King.
But what really accomplished this change?
You know, we say here at the political cesspool that blacks can't organize a two-car funeral by themselves, but there's this myth in America that blacks.
You realize something like that about it.
I can't hear you.
You're cutting out.
You're breaking up.
Can you hear me now?
You keep breaking up.
Well, I'm sorry.
Sam back at our headquarters needs to see if we can work that out.
I mean, you know, my book is not a collectivist.
I do not lump people together.
What I do say, and I do say that I think it's in the early pages of the book about I am an individualist.
I think that I embody Western folly, perhaps, in the sense that I cannot look at groups.
You know, it's very hard for me to go along with what you just said, that all blacks are so-and-so.
Certainly in individuals.
Okay, we say that the problem.
White people, and we deal with this because this is a reality that you deal with.
You're dealing with it in South Africa, or you did deal with it.
Individualism is one of the great lies that has been told to people in order to get them not to have a sense of solidarity.
I think that if whites had the same sense of racial solidarity that blacks and Hispanics or Asians had, they would not have succumbed to the blanket in South Africa.
And I think that's really one of the things we need to be worried about here in America is re-establishing at least a healthy sense of racial solidarity.
It's impossible for and you know, you say that Jews have a sense of solidarity.
Well, maybe Foxman has a sense of solidarity, but Judaism, as I see it, at least in terms of the Jewish community in the West, is actually not part of the multicultural noise machine, so to speak.
We talk about the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Jews should look upon phylo-Semitic Christians as proud parents, because we gave birth to this magnificent civilization that is Christianity, that came from Christianity.
And let me just tell you that Jews are disenfranchised in terms of affirmative action, just like the historical population of America.
I mean, my plant within corporate America tells me that he has instructions.
He wants to hire a really brilliant Jew, but he has instructions to hire someone who doesn't look like him.
So Abe Foxman might pretend that he's part of the multicultural noise machine, but this is not the case, really.
You know, Jews and Asians are disenfranchised by egalitarianism, just as the historical majority of America is.
Well, they've been proponents of liberalism, at least here in America, and quite frankly, the civil rights movement would never have gained traction had it not been for Jewish power and influence in America.
Now, I don't know what the situation was in South Africa, although I've heard of people like Helen Soussman before, that apparently were prime movers in the anti-apartheid movement who were also Jews.
Helen Sussman was a career.
You know, this is reiterated also in letters on your blog about myself as being Jewish and my father being an anti-apartheid activist.
And in fact, there was a paleoconservative review of my book, which quickly was removed from the internet because it was so riddled with errors and libel against my father.
You know, once again, there's this logical error.
We spoke about ad hominem at the beginning of this program.
Let's speak about post-COC.
Because Jews are represented in certain spheres, therefore Jews caused the problem.
Now, 25% of Nobel Prize winners are Jews.
Does that mean that without Jews, civilization would collapse?
Probably not.
So certainly Jews are represented among the left, but they're also represented among the great capitalists and the great proponents of freedom.
I can say about my father, and I deal with the issue in my book very honestly, that daddy knew nothing about communism or socialism.
He knew about Judaism.
And he fought for the oppressed in the sense that he spoke up against disenfranchising, not in terms of the vote, but mistreating Africans.
And I think in that sense, he was true to his Judaism.
We are told to look after the orphan, the widow, and the lesser among us.
Those are instructions of the faith.
And I think it applies in Christianity.
Okay.
Alana, we're not really interested in trying to pillory your father at all.
I'm sorry if you got that impression.
You're breaking up again, Keith.
I'm sorry.
I hate to keep nagging, but you're breaking up.
Well, I'm doing the best I can.
Let me just say this.
And by the way, what we're interested in is what lessons the South African experience has for America.
Now, South African whites, if there's any group of people that deserves to be refugees to America, it would seem to be them, in my opinion.
I'm sorry, sir, I didn't get that.
I said that white people, as you said, are the targets of a genocide in South Africa.
And if any group deserves to be refugees and granted asylum in the United States, it would seem to be South African whites.
Do you agree or disagree?
Well, that's a line from my book, practically.
I might have phrased it differently, but I speak about secession and emigration.
And I advocate that we should.
Elena, we got a break.
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Elena Mercer and Keith Alexander discussing her book into the cannibals pot.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, we're back here at the Political Cesspool.
This is the last segment of the first hour, and we're interviewing Atlanta Mercer, the author of Into the Cannibal's Pot.
Atlanta is a former South African who now lives in the United States, and she has given us some great insights in this book.
I would recommend that everyone see if they can lay their hands on a copy of it.
Buy one.
You can get it at Amazon.com.
Elena, are you there?
I'm here, yes.
And I, Keith, I do think that if you are trying to recruit modern Americans or British or Europeans to racialism, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
That is this thing you just don't understand that is not in our DNA.
And this might be, as I say, I have a very poignant chapter in my book, The Why Do Wasp Societies Wither.
And I say, this is precisely the pathos of Western man.
He is incapable of thinking in those terms.
Well, let me say this.
I think that Western man and white people generally were certainly capable of doing that, at least in the United States, up until the end of the civil rights movement.
But from that point onward, it has become unfashionable to think of white interests in racial terms.
But we can pass over that for the time being.
That's apparently something that we don't agree on.
But let me ask you about the success of the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa.
How did this come about?
Were the economic sanctions just so draconian that the South African government and the South African nation couldn't stand it?
Or were these people brainwashed into somehow feeling guilt for creating a prosperous nation?
You can tell from what's happened in South African Zimbabwe since the advent of black rule that basically the nations are both in worse shape by a considerable measure as a result of transitioning from white rule to black rule.
What brought it about?
Well, as I say in the book, and in particular in this chapter, Why do Wasp Societies, whether there was no explanation in terms of loss of power, terrorism was completely manageable, sanctions were difficult, but mainly for the majority.
You cannot understand South Africa other than by looking at the creature you're trying to change, this Colvinist Puritan individual who was patriotic, fierce,
and very proud of his country and simply could not live with the ostracization and with the shame that was brought upon the Afrikaner because of this political superstructure that he erected, apartheid, which came to be equated with Nazism no less.
Of course, nonsense, as I illustrate in the book, apartheid probably, the National Party probably saved South Africa from a fate the rest of Africa endured because of communism and tribalism.
But I do think that the diplomacy and American pressure, Anglo-American, I have another chapter, Anglo-American Access of Evil.
The pressure brought to bear on South Africans was unbearable.
And of course, there were the lies.
You know, the leadership did, of course, I voted in referenda, and we had begun a process of devolution of power, incorporating colours into the parliament, and so on and so forth.
And when people voted in these referendums, they did not vote for majority rule.
They were deceived.
Well, in other words, it's a combination of a kind of Achilles heel that white Christians bear in their psyche.
I guess that would be part of it, and the other part was outside meddling.
Would that be a fair summation?
Absolutely, and that's why I think Americans should be very interested in what Americans diplomat, American diplomacy wrought in South Africa, because there was the question, you speak about Helen Sussman, but the liberals that the anti-apartheid movement, at least the more, for example, Helen Sussman, Fenzel Slubbert, they were more classical liberal.
They did not believe in unfettered democracy.
They wanted devolution of power and minority rights entrenched for the Boers, for the Anglos, and for the Zulus, who have all been disenfranchised.
Well, we have a saying, too, be careful what you wish for, your dream may come true.
It would seem like people that thought that there was going to be a devolution from white control to black control that was going to be equally benign have been unpleasantly surprised by developments in South African.
It's an overnight transformation, an absolute overnight.
We have a more gradual transformation in this country, and of course a different composition of the society.
But of course, we are headed that way.
Well, was this a treason of the elites in South Africa?
Exactly.
And on this, we do agree.
We are leaving out the most essential variable.
You know, we can speak about your pet project, and that's raising a racial awareness, which I don't share.
I do share the notion that we need to disenfranchise our elites, because if not for that, if we were able to defend our properties, hire as we like, rent as we like, associate as we like, if we had freedom of association, freedom of property, and so on and so forth, we would have a different society.
So this deconstruction is mediated by the elites, which is basically a treason, a treacherous and a treacherous class.
Well, you know, at least in the South, in what I call red state America, which is the South in the interior west, you're located in blue state America, which this is basically the same ideological divide that has existed in America since the end of the so-called era of good feelings in 1824.
It led to the Civil War and everything else of the sectionalism in America.
But it would seem that at least in the South, in Red State America, in 1950, even 1960 or 65, the establishment, the elites, at least in our part of the country, were very conservative.
And now it's almost a requirement that if you're a leader or considered to be leadership material, you've got to be liberal.
Did that happen in South Africa?
Well, the National Party was patriotic and conservative.
There's no doubt about that, and they were deeply concerned about the interest of keeping that civilization going in their part.
They had nowhere to go.
I don't know about, I've never encountered, and I write about American politics, I've never encountered an elite that is so hostile to the interests of its own people.
As I say, it's the treason class.
I mean, here you have Bush and Obama similarly arresting and throwing into jail Border Patrol officers who dare and apprehend anyone who crosses the border.
That's treason.
Well, you know, you have the same thing in Europe.
Certainly the leadership in Europe, like for example, it came out fairly recently that the Labor Party was secretly plotting to inundate England with third worlders so that the indigenous population was going to be effectively disenfranchised by being, you know, flooded with new voters.
You know, was it Bertold Brecht that said, when you don't like the results of the election, change the electorate.
And 1965, the same point of no return for this country, the Immigration Act of 1965.
Look, my point is what we do share is if we return to a natural order where we dispossess the elite, people know how to defend their property.
People know how to grow their businesses.
People know how to do that.
It's natural.
What we have now is unnatural.
Society that's increasingly statist, increasingly, you know, run on a tribal basis and centrally run and centralized.
So when we get back our property, when we get back our ability to defend ourselves and, you know, build our businesses, run our lives, then you'll have more freedom.
And that's why individualism is not that pasté.
Okay.
Let me just say in closing, I don't really think that we can get by the majority in America, which is still white, without some sense, at least a rudimentary sense, of racial solidarity and politicking for our own interests.
But we're just about out of time now, Atlanta.
Thank you so much.
And if you find yourself in the Memphis area at any time, please give us a call.
We'd love to take you and your husband out to dinner and show you around the city.
And you can tell us how much or how little Memphis resembles Soweto, okay?
Oh, dear.
And do send your listeners to Amazon for Into the Cannibal Spot.
We're going to do that.
You've got a great book.
I've read it.
I recommend it.
One hour down.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Yeah!
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