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Dec. 17, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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Trump Orders "Complete Blockade" of Venezuela, Potential Act of WAR
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tate brown
What is going on, Patriots?
This is Tate Brown here holding it down.
Patriots, you know, a lot of people are saying this, Patriots.
We're going back and forth, a lot of calling each other Patriots.
It's a really beautiful thing that's happening.
But I would propose, perhaps we should shorten this down.
John Doyle, a friend of the show, friend of mine, he's been calling people Patriots for years.
And I'm thinking we need like a differentiating factor.
It's almost like two on the nose.
Kellen, producer Kellen, is in the house.
Kellen, you want to say a word to the people real quick?
kellen leeson
Yeah, what's going on, chat?
tate brown
What's going on, chat?
He, in a moment of genius, he proposed shortening Patriot down to Patty, calling each other Patties.
What up, Patty?
Yo, Pat, what's up?
I don't know.
I'm kind of feeling now.
Kellen did jump for joy out of his chair.
He is of Irish extraction.
So as soon as he heard Patty, he was exuberant.
I mean, he couldn't believe it.
Finally, some Irish recognition.
So I do want to clarify that that is a shortening of Patriot.
So we'll see if I even remember to call you guys Patties tomorrow, but that could be a moment.
That could really be a moment for the movement.
With that, we have a big show today.
We are here live from Las Vegas.
It is really something special.
I am, my outfit, I have been informed, does resemble, according to Kellen, a Seattle fishmonger.
So apologies for that.
I am simply trying my best, but sometimes your best isn't good enough.
Maybe I need to be looks maxing.
Maybe to hop on the clavicle routine and bump a little crystal meth.
Who knows?
But with that, we have some massive stories.
The situation in Venezuela is ramping up.
Trump has announced a total blockade of all oil tankers, all traffic, oil traffic coming in and out of Venezuela.
This is absolutely massive.
This is maximum pressure on the Maduro regime.
Certainly an escalation in many regards.
And also, according to a lot of international treaties, this is an act of war, which is worth sort of pontificating and post and whatnot.
We'll go into it.
You know, that's some really exciting stuff.
We also have an update on the Brown University shooter situation.
Obviously, on the sleuths over at Twitter, have been grinding away and analyzing whatever footage is available to the public.
The whole situation is just a disaster, and I don't think we're going to be much closer to justice anytime soon.
This is really just a tragic situation, and the Providence police has dropped the ball massively.
It's a very embarrassing, embarrassing situation for our country.
We have the Democrats voting against a bill that would punish illegal immigrants.
I know it's kind of hard to believe.
It is shocking, but it's Democrats.
That's how they operate.
It is what it is.
We also have at the half-hour mark, we're going to bring in the great Logan Hall from Blaze, Blaze Media.
He is terrific.
I wanted to bring him in specifically.
You may have seen him on the show recently on Timcast IRL.
One, I don't know if people know this, in the Timcast IRL studio at our compound, we have signs that were newly minted that say, do not bounce your legs.
Because Logan Hall, when he was on the show, he started like spurging out and bouncing his legs.
He was making it bounce in the studio.
We can't stand for that.
So we printed out some signs saying no making it bounce in the studio.
And so we're bringing him in.
We'll probably grill him on that and question him and ask, you know, are you also on the clavicle routine?
Were you bumping crystal meth before the show?
Is that why your legs are bouncing?
We're going to unpack that.
But more importantly, what we're going to get to with Logan is, I don't know if you saw, but the House Republicans put up a statue of a civil rights icon.
And this person has replaced the statue of the great Robert E. Lee.
We're going to dive into that.
We're going to get the reactions from around the conservative world and whatnot.
So with that, we have a big show.
Let's just go ahead and get into it.
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tate brown
It's getting very Scott's Irish over here.
Jeez, Louise.
kellen leeson
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tate brown
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Yeah, exactly.
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With that, we're going to get to our first story.
Obviously, the Venezuela situation.
Everyone's talking about it.
Everyone and their mother is talking about it.
Donald Trump dropped in on Truth Social.
This would have been late last night, and he had a lot to say regarding the American foreign policy.
Here's what he had to say on Truth Social.
Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in the history of South America.
I did fact check this.
It's actually true.
This actually is.
As far as firepower goes, this is the largest armada.
Now, South America, you know, not to disparage our friends down south, but there's not too much exciting military action.
I did see that prior to this, it would have been a similar blockade that the British formed during the Falklands War, which is really something.
I think a lot of people don't remember the Falklands War, but it was really some dramatic stuff.
With that, yes, the largest armada ever assembled in the history of South America, and it will only get bigger, and the shock to them will be like nothing they have ever seen before.
Until such time as they return to the United States of America, all the oil, land, and other assets that they have previously stolen from us, the illegitimate Maduro regime is using oil and those stolen oil fields to finance themselves.
Drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder, and kidnapping.
For the theft of our assets and many other reasons, including terrorism, drug smuggling, and human trafficking, the Venezuelan regime has been designated a foreign terrorist organization.
Therefore, today I am ordering a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers going into and out of Venezuela.
The illegal aliens and criminals that the Maduro regime has sent to the United States during the week in a Nept Biden administration are being returned to Venezuela at a rapid pace.
America will not allow criminals, terrorists, or other countries to rob, threaten, and or harm our nation, and likewise will not allow a hostile regime to take our oil, land, and other assets, all of which must be returned to the United States immediately.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
So, right away, I don't think this is too much of a surprise to anybody keeping an eye on the Venezuela regime.
It's not entirely clear what our sort of victory principle is in this situation.
Because of that, we don't actually know if full-blown war would be on the cards.
But it certainly seems like our condition as it stands is a toppling of the Maduro regime.
Obviously, Maria Karina Machado is the sort of insurgent opposition in Venezuela.
This is a candidate who is much more aligned with the West, specifically the United States.
And this is obviously an attempt to sort of hoist her into power and to destabilize the Maduro regime.
Oil, obviously, being the thing that drives the Venezuelan economy, completely cutting off their ability to export and import oil, primarily export oil, would put massive pressure on the Maduro regime.
It would be very difficult for them to finance anything.
And so this is a massive, massive play by the Trump administration.
There's a lot of conversations across the right.
This is really the only discourse I really care about because these are people.
This is an internal family discussion that we're having.
Is war with Venezuela in our interests?
That is kind of the question of the hour.
We have our friends over at the American Conservative magazine who have been sort of cautioning war with Venezuela, saying that this is just another potential quagmire, another forever war, similar to Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
And I completely understand the sentiment.
Obviously, these are people who came about, their political consciousness came about during the global war on terror.
And they're pretty much allergic to any sort of regime change war.
Again, I totally empathize and understand And that I would posit that I don't actually anticipate this really escalating into a war.
I do think that the Maduro regime is a lot more shaky than people realize.
And obviously, Trump has correctly identified.
It's kind of obvious to everyone that without oil, the Maduro regime really is running on fumes.
So this is a monster play here.
We're going to check out CNN here.
Unfortunately, CNN, we're going to check out their coverage here where they were basically expanding on Trump's truth social post.
President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he was ordering a total and complete blockade of sanctioned oil tankers coming to and leaving from Venezuela, ratcheting up pressure against leader Nicolas Maduro's regime and suggesting an economic motive to the U.S. military campaign in the region.
Punctuating the words, a total and complete blockade in capital letters in a truth social post, Trump pointed to the large collection of U.S. military assets in the region, suggesting more could be coming and took aim at Maduro's regime by name.
He suggested that Venezuela give up land, oil, and assets to the United States, making clear that the one aim of his military campaign is not just about countering the drug trade.
Now, something else that's worth noting about this truth social post, if you read behind, or read in between the lines rather, this, A, this aligns with the NSS.
This is why this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody, the national security strategy.
This was obviously unveiled fairly recently.
If you go down, if you poke through it and thumb through it, you will see here I want to highlight this specific point in the NSS.
We want to ensure that the Western hemisphere remains reasonably stable and well-governed enough to prevent and discourage mass migration into the United States.
We want a hemisphere whose government governments cooperate with us against narco-terrorists, cartels, and other transnational criminal organizations.
We want a hemisphere that remains free of hostile foreign incursion and or ownership of key assets and that supports critical supply chains.
We want to ensure our continued access to key strategic locations.
In other words, we will insert and enforce a Trump collarary to the Monroe doctrine.
So this is what I want to hit on regarding the Truth Social Post.
What is interesting here, what makes this sort of different from previous sort of regime change efforts that the United States has conducted in the past, is typically when the case is being made to the American people of why we should intervene in a country, the rhetoric used by the government, by the executive, is, well, this war is going to benefit the people there.
They need democracy.
They need sort of a Western style of government for the prosperity of the population.
So in this case, typically an administration would be saying something along the lines of we want to liberate the Venezuelan people from the evil Maduro regime.
We want to bring them prosperity and liberty and these sorts of things.
If you comb through this post and pretty much anything else Trump has said surrounding the matter, he never even really invokes that sort of sentiment.
He never even really postures like this is for the benefit of the Venezuelans.
Although I would say being freed from the Maduro regime would be of benefit to Venezuelans.
But that's why this is important.
That's why this is a game changer, because he's making the case of why this benefits Americans, which is a dramatic difference from, again, from our regime change attempts in the past.
And you comb through this entire post here, again, comb through anything Trump has said in the past regarding the matter.
This is all making the case to the American people of why this sort of operation benefits us.
And that's a drastic, drastic departure from the past.
So it's very, very interesting.
And again, this aligns with the NSS, the NSS, the National Security Strategy.
This obviously sort of outlines what our foreign policy will look like in depth.
Obviously, you get some of the best writers in Washington putting this together to really sort of intellectualize Trump's strategy here.
Because Trump, you know, he speaks off the cuff.
He's very direct.
He's not particularly robust with his statements.
And I think that's obviously a major asset of him.
That's why he's such an effective politician.
The NSS really attempts to come in and backfill what he is really trying to say here.
And I think it's interesting in the NSS that they specifically allude to the Monroe Doctrine because this is the interesting thing about the Monroe Doctrine: the original Monroe Doctrine, James Monroe, this was at the back half of a State of the Union speech that he gave.
And when he gave this speech, the sort of international situation at the time was all across the Western Hemisphere, these former colonies of Spain were getting their independence.
If you know the name Simón Bolivar, he was sort of this revolutionary figure in Latin America.
You probably know whatever state you live in, there's probably a town called Bolivar near you.
I know I grew up in Tennessee.
There was a Bolivar, Tennessee, quite close to me.
The reason for that is because, again, in the early 19th century, Simone Bolivar was quite a popular figure in the United States.
Americans were very aware of what was going on in their hemisphere, and they felt a degree of solidarity with these newly independent Latin American countries because, in their view, they were essentially doing the same thing that the Americans had done, which was sort of establish themselves and assert themselves as new world nations.
They're making the case that Venezuelans, for example, had undergone sort of an ethnogenesis.
That means they've formed a new national identity and they are no longer just Spanish subjects, but something else.
And that's something that the Americans went through, obviously, in the 18th century and the 17th century as well.
Is we no longer began to view ourselves as simply just Englishmen that were across the pond, but we had sort of forged a new identity.
And this really sort of crystallized in the 19th century.
All that to be said, the Monroe Doctrine, if you really break down what James Monroe said, there's not too much meat in the bone.
He was saying that in regard to European affairs, the United States are simply an interested spectator in the events there, and that the events in the West are of necessity because they are more immediately connected.
Those are his words.
All this to say, he was specifically addressing the affairs of the newly independent Latin American countries.
And he was saying, our strategy as the United States should simply be ensuring that we keep these European powers out of our affairs in the Western Hemisphere.
It wasn't outlined entirely that, like, look, the United States would sort of be this overarching power that would rule the Western Hemisphere and establish a new empire.
That wasn't what was outlined in the original Monroe Doctrine.
But the reason in this national security strategy, they called us a Trump collerary is because you would see throughout American history that presidents would add colleraries to the Monroe Doctrine, essentially sort of beefing it up, so to speak.
Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind.
Lyndon B. Johnson, he sort of added the Johnson collerary because he wanted to overthrow the communist regime in Cuba.
JFK was sort of the precursor to this in many ways.
So the NSS is saying we're enforcing a Trump collerary to the Monroe Act.
So we're not enforcing the Monroe Doctrine in the original sense of the word.
We're adding a Trump collerary.
Basically, what they're outlining is the American, you know, the United States of America has the right to police the Western Hemisphere.
So it's very interesting, very interesting the way that this is developed.
Obviously, you could make the case that this is in line with the original Monroe Doctrine because you do have an old world power influencing a country that is in our hemisphere.
With Venezuela, as Trump has previously pointed out, is sort of at the whims of China.
It is sort of at the whims of Russia.
It is part of this sort of global axis that's been dubbed of these sort of renegade countries that are not falling into the sort of Western liberal aligned world order.
So it's very, it's very fascinating.
But yeah, this is why I sort of posit that this ramping up in Venezuela tracks very well with the Trump's Trump's second term goals, his foreign policy.
I don't think this is particularly a surprise.
And I'm also hesitant to sort of accept the presupposition that this is going to lead to an all-out war.
I do think, like I said earlier, that the Maduro regime is a bit shakier than people realize.
I don't think he really has this massive public, he's not dominating public opinion like Chavez did, even though there's something to be said about that.
I think most Venezuelans are old enough because you don't have to be that old to remember a time in the past when Venezuela was prosperous.
And then obviously Chavez and Maduro come in, nationalize everything, and destroy the country.
So there's a reason.
The Trump one term, we saw Juan Guaido was the sort of insurgent opposition figure.
And now we're seeing it again with Maria Machado, Corina Machado.
So it's going to be interesting to see how this develops.
But this blockade is going to put immense pressure on the Venezuelans.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Maduro start cracking and try to sort of cut a deal with the Americans in order to maintain power.
I think that's probably the goal of the State Department.
But Marco Rubio specifically, I think, has an axe to grind with Maduro.
And I wouldn't be surprised if he just wants to see a total toppling of the Maduro regime.
So we will have to see on that front how that develops.
With that, we're going to get into our next story here.
Trump, this is from The Hill.
Trump knocks Brown University over security cameras after FBI criticized.
This was the Truth Social post that he dispatched.
This was technically early this morning, really the middle of the night.
This is Trump's style.
He just lets stuff fly in the middle of the night, and it's usually his best work, in my opinion.
This is from Truth Social.
President Donald Trump said, why did Brown University have so few security cameras?
There could be no excuse for that.
In the modern age, it just doesn't get worse, President Donald J. Trump.
He's exactly right here.
I mean, it really is shocking that Brown University specifically does not have the security apparatus to ensure that they can catch perpetrators when they commit crimes on campus.
This is bizarre to me that this man, we're presuming it's a man here, was able to shoot two students or kill two students and effectively get away scot-free.
We don't know where the student is.
They had a person of interest.
They released him.
The Providence Police Department's going to all these campuses and saying, everything's fine.
Don't worry.
And we're all saying, like, hey, there's an active shooter on the loose.
What if he strikes again?
What do you mean we're safe?
What are you talking about?
Complete disaster.
Brown University is obviously going to be a massive hit.
I don't know how these student orientations are going to go in the future when they have to explain to him, yeah, there was a shooting and the guy got away.
So who knows?
I don't even know if this guy is still in the country.
There's people on Twitter that are speculating that is a particular man, but it's entirely unclear.
The main lead for that is this man's sort of ex-profile.
And he had some sort of profile on some sort of student organization at Brown University that his information was expunged from the public record.
In addition, they had with the video of him of the suspect, they did like a gate analysis, like the distance between your walk and how you sort of carry yourself when you're walking.
They did an analysis of that suspect, the video that was released, and they compared it to the gentleman that ex is suspecting carried out the shooting.
But this is the difficult thing.
This is the difficult thing about being in news is I can't just like throw this guy's picture up and lambast him because they've already destroyed one person's life.
So I just don't think that's productive.
I think we should, you know, unfortunately let these people do their jobs.
The FBI just is really, really dropping the ball here.
And it is a complete tragedy.
Again, they read from The Hill, Brown University, or this is Trump's True Social Post.
And here we see university spokesperson Brian Clark told the Hill in a statement that the campus has an expansive network of security cameras with more than 1,200 cameras installed across campus buildings and spaces in both interior and exterior locations.
He added that the cameras are deployed in high traffic areas, such as streets, sidewalks, and campus hallways, as well as the entry and exit points of buildings.
Brown's security cameras do not extend to the hallway, classroom, laboratory, and office across the 250-plus buildings on campus.
For security reasons, it is not prudent to share where the cameras are and are not relative to individual buildings and locations.
What we can share is that Brown has and will continue to cooperate fully with law enforcement agencies conducting this investigation.
So it just blows my mind.
I think Trump's absolutely correct here.
How in 2025 is this happening?
How can someone get away with such a heinous act in 2025?
It is absolutely bizarre to me and is really an indictment on how people are not taking these things very seriously.
So with that, I have another story here.
This is the Kayla Hamilton Act.
This was an act that was introduced into the House of Representatives.
And I'll read here from Fox News, sort of their analysis.
This bill effectively makes it much more difficult for unaccompanied minors that came into the United States to maintain their sort of right to remain in the United States.
Again, this is trying to clamp down on illegal immigration broadly.
And this is the reason Kayla Hamilton was named is because he was, she rather was murdered.
We can read here.
The Kayla Hamilton Act is named after a 20-year-old woman with autism who was killed by a 16-year-old from El Salvador, Walter Javier Martinez, in 2022.
Martinez pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in April.
Martinez came to the U.S. illegally as an unaccompanied minor and was a member of the notorious MS-13 gang, according to a press release from the Maryland State Attorney's Office in Hartford County.
So this is just something that's like low-hanging fruit for any politician.
Illegal immigration, deporting all illegals, is a popular position in the United States.
Majority support, the majority of Americans are on the same page here regarding illegal immigration.
It's just not worth it to try and operate a charity because in this instance, it's just resulting in people dying.
Kayla Hamilton, of course, being the victim here.
And by all accounts, she was a wonderful gal.
So this is just really a tragic situation.
So obviously, this bill is introduced to the House.
You know, they're saying, look, this should be a no-brainer, right?
I mean, you know, we have to clamp down on this.
We just have to eliminate another pathway that allows illegal immigrants to remain in the country.
Just because they came as a child, like a 16-year-old clearly is capable of conducting heinous acts.
They're able to join MS-13.
MS-13 is actually a fairly young gang.
Well, we see here that 201 House Democrats voted against a bill that Republicans say would prevent dangerous migrants who came to the U.S. illegally as children from walking free on the streets.
The legislation passed in a 225 to 201 vote.
Only seven Democrats voted with Republicans in favor of the bill.
And here are the names of these Democrats.
Just unbelievable, unbelievable that we can only get seven people to agree that, hey, yeah, illegal immigration is getting us killed and we probably should start filling some of these holes that have been wide open throughout our immigration policy in the last few decades.
It is horrible, horrible, horrible stuff.
Really just illustrates the divide in the country.
And look, we don't have these Democrats making it any easier.
They're not really making their case very well.
This is from the New York Post.
A mother furious after Representative Jasmine Crockett calls daughter murdered by illegal immigrant a random dead person.
This was the quotes from Jasmine Crockett.
You take a situation and then you exploit what has happened to not only that person, but you exploit these families and you make it a game.
Stop just throwing a random dead person's name on something for your own political expediency.
I mean, like, what do you say to that?
What do you say to someone that has such a low regard for human life like that?
I mean, how can we share a country with someone that views human life in that way?
Tammy Nobles, this was the mother of someone who obviously was slain.
You don't just call a victim of a crime a random dead person.
No victim should be referred to as a random dead person.
I mean, it's just completely careless.
And this is like not a Freudian slip here.
This is them stating in the open that they do have a low view of human life.
They value their sort of international project of demographic overhaul in such high regard that they're willing to stamp all over the value of normal Americans' lives and just refer to them as random dead people.
They just view them as like numbers, effectively.
It is absolutely horrific, horrific stuff.
Just really nasty stuff.
So with that, we are coming down to the wire here.
So I'm going to try and get to my last story here.
Oh, I lost my tab here.
Let me fix that.
U.S. Capitol, this is from CBS News.
This is all the talk right now.
And we're going to bring Logan Hall in to discuss this further here in a minute.
From CBS News, U.S. Capitol replaces statue of Robert E. Lee with teen civil rights icon, Barbara Rose Johns.
Never heard of the lady.
The U.S. Capitol on Tuesday began displaying a statue of a teenaged Barbara Rose Johns as she protested poor conditions at her segregated Virginia high school.
A pointed replacement for a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee that was removed several years ago.
Pointed is the correct adjective to use here.
This is a middle finger, obviously, to Robert E. Lee.
An unveiling ceremony of the statue representing Virginia in the Capitol took place in Emancipation Hall featuring Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, Hakeem Jeffries, Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin, a Republican, and Virginia's congressional delegation and Democratic governor-elect Abigail Spanberger.
Who needs Republicans, or rather, who needs Democrats when you have these sorts of Republicans?
Republicans that really just do not understand the civilizational fight that we're in, do not understand what the left is trying to do when they make actions like this.
They still have this poisonous idea in their minds that if they just like throw enough bones to the woke mob, that eventually they'll just be like, yeah, these Republicans are reasonable.
I'll cast a vote for them.
Just a serious miscalculation of what time we're in.
Just absolutely humiliating.
I wanted to outline a bit of commentary that was on this.
This is from Logan Hall, who will be joining us.
They tore down a statue of one of the greatest Americans that ever lived for this.
Obviously, this is the video from C-SPAN showing the unveiling of the statue and littered with Republicans, Mike Johnson and Glenn Youngkin here for this statue of a lady that no one has ever heard of.
Just unbelievable that, again, Republicans who are meant to be representing their constituents and often these constituencies that they're representing are Americans, typically.
I know there's some exceptions.
Elon Omar jumps to mind, but you're supposed to be representing people's not just like economic interests, but you should be sort of representing their sort of grievances with the project that's been taking place in the United States.
And many people don't like to see their heritage erased.
People don't like to see these bricks thrown through the window of Heritage America's history.
Matt Walsh has been cooking on this.
I reference him a lot, but he's just, he's always got it.
He's got the sauce.
He's adding his commentary onto the video here.
Nobody knows who, quote, Barbara Rose Johns is, correct?
I had no idea who she was.
I had to like pull up her Wikipedia, and even her Wikipedia is a bit lacking.
Robert E. Lee was about a million times more historically significant.
He was also a million times more honorable and courageous than all of the politicians applauding in this video.
That really hits at the core of what's going on here: it's unimpressive people standing on the shoulders of giants, tearing down the legacy of immensely impressive people.
That is exactly correct.
Matt Walsh, again, he provided some more commentary.
He's been cooking all morning on this topic.
The left tells us that we can't have monuments to Confederate generals because they supported slavery and fought against the federal government and lost.
And yet they tell us that we must honor Native American tribes who supported slavery and fought against the federal government and lost.
That is exactly correct.
Again, it's just this weird, bizarre thing where we celebrate, like, we celebrate these losers with the Native Americans.
I mean, they just didn't put up a good fight.
I'm kind of tired of this like noble savage lines that people use regarding the Native Americans.
We're supposed to venerate and celebrate them.
But the Confederates, who, you know, whatever your take is on the Civil War, it's not a Civil War history show.
They had their cause that they believed in, and they were incredibly, immensely impressive people.
Robert E. Lee is one of the greatest military minds, probably in human history, certainly in American history.
That's worth venerating.
That's worth celebrating.
That's worth putting a statue up.
That's worth having sort of a monument that when you're taking your children into Emancipation Hall that you can point to and say, well, this is a great man.
Again, whatever gripes you have with Robert E. Lee or the Confederacy at large, that shouldn't downplay the fact that A, he was an American, and B, the way he conducted himself cemented him in the history books forever.
Generally, as human beings, we should always be trying to learn from someone that has cemented themselves in history books.
We should always try to be saying, what about them was so impactful that they were able to drop in on the timeline and shatter it.
What about them was so immense?
What about their gravity was so large that it pulled everyone in and they changed an era forever.
So I want to bring Logan Hall in.
I want to bring him to discuss this situation here.
Obviously, this is an immensely dramatic thing.
Let's see.
Let me get the mic correctly selected here.
And Logan, can you hear me?
logan hall
Yes, sir.
tate brown
Dude, what is going on?
Patriot, how are you doing today?
logan hall
Good.
How are you, man?
tate brown
Doing all right.
Can you give the people a quick intro who you are and what you do?
logan hall
Yeah, I'm just Logan Hall.
You can find me on Twitter at LoganClark Hall.
I am a digital strategist for the Blaze.
tate brown
Yes, sir.
Well, I wanted to bring you in because you, obviously, on the timeline for years, have been a big proponent of America, constantly sort of pointing to great men throughout our history who have impacted sort of the history books in very dramatic ways, people that carry immense gravity.
And Robert E. Lee fits into that very effectively.
He is someone, again, I was pointing out, like, whatever your gripes are with Robert E. Lee, why would that be a reason to tear down a statue of such a great, immense figure?
And then we obviously saw that taking place, and it was spearheaded by Republicans.
We had Mike Johnson there.
We had Glenn Youngkin there.
Two men who should be representing the sort of the desires, wants, et cetera, of their constituents.
And they're failing to do so.
And they're working in opposition to that by hoisting a statue of a lady that no one's ever heard.
Even CBS News called it a pointed sort of statement because they even acknowledge that, like, look, this is a direct insult to the history and heritage of millions, tens of millions of Americans, not just across the South, but largely.
I mean, what is your whole take on this?
We read your tweet, but what's your analysis of the situation, your thoughts on Robert E. Lee?
logan hall
Yeah, well, thank you for having me.
You're right.
I do try to do a lot of pro-America stuff on the timeline.
I love this country.
I just want to stop it from being destroyed.
Myself, I am an Ohio man.
So I, you know, my ancestors fought for the union.
You know, so we've, we actually, we actually did like fight for the union, but my wife is from Texas.
So I have a little bit, I think that gives me a little bit of credibility to say that on the Robert E. Lee thing.
No, I just like to claim that I use her as my excuse that I think that gives me a little bit of claim as a southerner.
She doesn't necessarily agree with that.
But no, I think this is truly, and this is kind of what you got to, Tate.
I think one of the most insulting things about this, this obviously came out of the BLM hysteria from 2020, where they just started ripping down statues to all sorts of great Americans throughout history.
This wasn't just like, oh, it's about the South thing.
That's what they said.
But then they started quickly tearing down statues to Andrew Jackson, to Teddy Roosevelt.
So this was more of a cultural revolution thing.
It's actually cultural liquidation is what's happening.
And I think the saddest part about it, even looking back on that era now, is how many of these weak Republicans just decided.
They're like, oh, well, we can, this isn't really, I guess, like, we're going to let them shame us because they're so afraid of being called racist by these leftists who hate them that they're like, oh, well, I guess we could like move it to a museum or like take them out or whatever.
This is pathetic.
Mike Johnson and Glenn Younken, and I, you know, I tend to like both of those guys.
You know, I don't, I have my gripes with the GOP, but they're not the worst among a lot of those guys for sure.
So I don't really have too much of an issue with them.
But if you are supposed to be, these are supposed to be the guys that are stewards for the South.
You know, how many, how many Americans in Louisiana and rural Virginia, not, you know, excluding Nova, want to get rid of a Robert E. Lee statue and put it up in its place, some civil rights, civil rights leader that no one's ever heard of.
Right.
It's, it's really disgraceful.
And this to go along with an attack like this on America is, and that's what it is.
It's an attack on America.
It's an attack on our history and our people.
Whenever leftists and Democrats talk about, oh, this Robert E. Lee or foreigners too.
We have, you know, there's that great meme where it's like some woman in a hi job, like Robert E. Lee was a traitor to the union.
It's like, this is not your, yeah.
So that's a whole different issue aside.
But even some, as an American myself, whose ancestors fought for the union, when I see someone like who's a foreigner desecrating like the graves or dancing on the graves of the Confederates, it's like, this is not your history.
You are clearly supplanting or redirecting your hatred towards Red America today and saying, you guys are the same as the South.
You're the traitors.
We need to destroy you.
And so I'm sorry, I could rant about this for a while, but it's to see the Republicans going along with that is truly shameful.
And last thing, Glenn Youngkin was in his post about this, he's like, he said something along the lines of, you can't tell the story of Virginia and the story of America without whatever this lady's name.
Nobody's ever heard of it, you know?
But you actually like, that's actually true about Robert E. Lee.
You cannot tell the story of Virginia, especially, but you cannot tell the story of America without Robert E. Lee.
So I think going along with this is disgraceful.
And it shows you how unprepared many are still on our side.
tate brown
Yeah, that's exactly right.
I mean, first is like, to your point, I mean, you're seeing people that have no attachment to American history whatsoever, like adopting this weird like union LARPing.
Like there's this TikTok that went around years ago and it was a girl.
I think she was of like maybe Vietnamese extraction.
logan hall
This is exactly what I'm thinking about.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And she had like this union like Halloween costume on and she was like, oh, like rest in piss, Robert E. Lee or whatever.
And it's like, hang on.
First of all, if you read, you know, if you read history and you look at sort of the sentiments among those who fought for the union, those who were northerners at the time of the Civil War, they did not have really any venom towards the Confederates.
They viewed it as like this tragic thing, this tragic family feud that was inevitable in many ways, but they weren't like celebrating the deaths of their fellow countrymen.
And they certainly wouldn't have been desecrating and mocking them.
So it's just like weird that they take on this LARP to sort of desecrate people that they're trying to adopt a LARP and sort of retcon how these people actually felt when they did not feel this way whatsoever.
And it's just bizarre to me that this is like permitted and promoted by the left.
But what's more bizarre to me is that the right, like you said, is just not prepared whatsoever to fight back on this, as you correctly identified, cultural liquidation.
It's like they just can't understand what's going on here.
I make this point quite a bit is you can't step into the left's framework and expect to beat them at their own game because they're the masters at it.
You need to pull them into your framework and then beat them at your own game.
And so it's so weird to see here is people like Mike Johnson, people like Glenn Young, who I agree, like they're directionally correct on a lot of things, but where they expect like, okay, if we keep throwing enough bones to the left, maybe they will finally vote for us.
Maybe they'll finally view us as sensible and they won't, you know, they'll stop lombasting us as racist.
I personally, I thought we, this is why this story is so shocking to me is I thought we had kind of moved on from that in many regards.
Like this was something that really hit fever pitch, the Biden winner with COVID, with the BLM riots and that sort of thing.
I thought that everyone kind of wised up to what was going on.
And to me, when Trump was elected the second time, I thought everyone was kind of in agreement, like, okay, we don't have to do these weird like struggle sessions anymore.
logan hall
Yeah, that humiliation ritual.
tate brown
Yeah, so that's to me, like, just so strange.
It's like these, these guys, Mike Johnson is the speaker of the house.
This is someone who really, in many ways, is at the forefront of this right-wing movement in the United States.
He is supposed to be the leader.
He is supposed to be the guy that we can look to for direction.
And to see him, not just to the left of like the Republican constituency, but to the left of like some Democrats is just like, it's just, I struggle to find the words to describe how horrific this is.
logan hall
Yeah, it is, it is truly mind-boggling.
And you're right.
It is, it is, but the GOP, you know, a lot of times they will pretend that they represent their constituents.
But Oren McIntyre has a great line that like a lot of the leaders in the GOP have the same beliefs as the left, that there's like this like army of like hidden Ku Klux Klan members somewhere in America.
And so like everything must be upended to prevent them from like rising and taking over the government.
Literally, it's this, this absurd fantasy that like oh, if we, you know, if we got rid of civil rights, for instance, that like, somehow Red America is just going to rise up and be they've.
They view the same thing.
Uh, it's like what the left does.
When they um project their hatred for the confederacy, what they're saying is, we hate normal Americans in the heartland today and that's what we want to do to them is to annihilate them.
They always say oh, we should have uh, we should have hung every last Confederate.
It's like this is way crazier than any opinion that, like Lincoln had.
Now, maybe Sherman could be uh, a different one, but uh, he might have been the most bloodthirsty of the Union.
Yeah, but uh, even this is far more radical than what most of the Union ARMY, the Union soldiers, the Union Command believed.
I actually am going to um, take some time to.
You might be able to see it back here.
Plug some of my favorite books right there.
Those are uh, Civil War by Shelby Foote.
Everyone should read those it's.
It's kind of a slog, it's like a million and a half words, but if you want some understanding of the causes, the battles, the key figures involved, it is shocking uh, and it is beautifully written.
I cannot highly, I I cannot recommend it highly enough.
Um, and I know Mystery Grove has been huge on this.
I've had a couple people that uh put me on to those books uh, but they are phenomenal and when you look at them, when you read them, you understand just how much of uh kind of what you were talking about.
There is a lot of respect on both sides.
So like you would have a battle where these people would be literally slaughtering each other.
And then, you know, for like one particular if there was a July 4th holiday, there was a battle at Vicksburg, for instance, where on July 4th, they the Confederate army was besieged.
They were pretty much like starving.
They were about to lose.
And.
there was no fighting on july 4th because these and you would see soldiers, like from each side you know, walking across the lines and uh exchanging uh, uh various uh things that either side wanted, you know uh, various supplies uh, and they and they would.
It literally was a brother war um, and when you see the uh, there's that great picture.
Someone put it in color.
It was originally in black and white, but there's that great picture of uh Union And Confederate veterans at Gettysburg when they're all like 80 or 90 years old on the anniversary and they're all sitting there shaking hands, you know.
So this is like much different than what actually they want.
The left wants to happen is they don't want unity.
You know, we had unity on this, on this point.
It should have been settled a long time ago.
But they want to keep reopening those wounds and keep hammering you over the head and just say you are traitors, you are racist, we hate you.
And uh, they're not.
They're not interested in coming together, and so I think The behoove of Republicans to learn and understand that you're not dealing an enemy.
Like, this is not someone who's operating in good faith.
They hate you.
They're going to keep browbeating you until you submit.
And you just, you can't do that.
One last thing.
I would love to see, I know Trump's doing a garden.
I think it's like a statue garden for his 250th anniversary.
I think for every statue that they tore down, they should put up one that's 10 feet taller for every single figure.
It doesn't matter if it was, it doesn't matter if it was Lee.
They tore down Teddy Roosevelt.
Like I said, they tore down a ton of these guys.
We have to show that if they try to tear down statues to our heroes, we are going to rebuild them.
tate brown
That's absolutely right.
I mean, yeah, there's two points there.
I mean, the first one, in regard to sort of, yeah, how the Union and Confederacy perceive themselves is, I think, like those, those, those gentlemen who fought, I think it was Bismarck.
He said, you know, war is just like sort of the natural conclusion of politics in many ways.
So those men fighting just viewed this as, in many ways, just an extension of politics.
It was like political theater.
They didn't have this like bloodthirsty hatred.
I mean, I'm sure some of the minority did, but the overwhelming majority of the men that fought didn't have this like bloodthirsty hatred for the opposition.
And to your point, like we talked about earlier with that TikTok that everyone sort of references, but even like white Americans that are on the left that just, yeah, view like the Union as if there was some sort of like super soldiers that had this like vengeance against the Confederacy.
It's just so bizarre.
And it's because it's like, like you said, they just view the Confederacy as an analog for traditional Americans because those people who are LARPing as like these Union generals or whatever and like, you know, making all these threats against Confederates, these types of people would be scandalized by the views of a Union soldier.
Really anybody.
Yeah, like anybody at that time, they would also perceive them as like just this horrific backwards chud.
Because that's exactly, that's exactly what was going on.
So that's what's so funny to me is that it's like, okay, you're adopting this identity, but even those people, A, the Union soldiers would be horrified by them.
And likewise, those people would be horrified by the views of these Union soldiers.
logan hall
And to your second point, every single one, you know, it's the same thing they do with the Antifa, right?
They're like, yeah, oh, these World War II soldiers were the original.
These guys would like absolutely hate you.
tate brown
Yeah, literally.
Yeah.
It's just like, it's because they view history as just an avatar for their beliefs.
That's all it really is because they realize these people on the left, they realize their beliefs are so inhuman that there's no sort of historical undercurrent to any of it, that it's just like weird postmodern deconstructionist.
That in order to provide some credibility for their beliefs, they need to find these historical analogs to then like sort of retcon and sort of use as an avatar.
Because yeah, fundamentally, they're like, oh, wow, this actually has no precedent in history.
This is an ideology that whatever form it did exist in history led to the destruction of that civilization.
So maybe if we sort of adopt these historical figures that, you know, right-wingers may be sympathetic to, then perhaps we could sell it to them.
Maybe it'll pass the sniff test.
But unfortunately, because they hate sort of core heritage Americans so much, they can't, they can't like get out of their own way.
And then they just end up revealing that they do indeed have this bloodthirsty hatred for the Confederacy, which is just a stand-in for normal conservative Americans.
logan hall
Actual Americans, yes.
Yeah.
I mean, to your point, Tate, if you go back and read some of Lincoln's inaugural addresses, like for instance, I think it's his second inaugural.
Lincoln was not this like they love to think of him as like this like anti-racism crusade or whatever.
It's like, this is not actually, if you go back and read Lincoln, it's like there's some stuff that would really, really offend not just the sensibilities of the modern left, but also the conservatives.
tate brown
Yeah.
logan hall
And it's just hilarious that, and I will keep harping on this because I think leftists are just so consumed by media that everything is the Avengers to them.
And this happens, this is to the extent of Republicans too, at least a lot of the boomers, you see this, where under like I saw a bunch of the comments under the post yesterday where the statue is being taken down, the video, and a bunch of these old boomer Republicans are like, oh, the Democrats were the real racists.
Like we were the Republicans and whatever.
It's like, this is so pathetic.
This is not like what this is about, guys.
Just get it through your heads.
So that part is hilarious.
But what I keep harping on is people really, really, really just, you don't need to get your information through Wikipedia.
You should go and read old books, read about the men, what they thought.
If you read, and again, I'm going to plug those books as many times as I possibly can.
The Civil War books by Shelby Foote, the trilogy.
It's amazing.
But if you read some of these soldiers, Confederate soldiers who are not even technically educated, you know, they didn't go to college.
They couldn't name a whole lot of the Constitution.
They could hardly basically describe the Bill of Rights to you.
The letters that they write are so much more intelligible and articulate than what most college students today are writing or able to talk or the way that they're able to express their feelings or what's going on around them.
It's crazy.
It goes back to what you said, but people are just so historically illiterate that they don't understand what they're trying to explain and describe.
Lee, for instance, was a formidable opponent.
They were, he was heavily, I mean, he garnered a ton of respect, even from the opposite side.
You know, the South thought he was going to be their hero and he was, but they thought he was going to, they were always banking even after their big losses.
They said, well, Lee's going to be able to deliver us from this, no matter how hopeless the situation gets.
The opposite side, this is why, I mean, Lincoln had to shuffle through so many different generals before he got to Grant because they didn't know how to deal with Lee in Virginia.
And he, and they're all sitting there like, how in the heck is this guy doing it?
He's, he's outnumbered by tens of thousands of troops.
He's outgunned.
We have more machines, more, vastly more industry than the South.
And yet he had like this somehow, he has such a fantastic military mind that he was able to outmaneuver them even when he's vastly outnumbered.
So all of the, there was so much respect for him on the opposite side because they're like, he is the person who is, he keeps, he's humiliating us in Virginia.
And it's just, it's fascinating to read about.
So I would, I would advise people to do that.
And I think that you gain a lot, you get a lot more respect.
And even then, the union, the union soldiers and the union command all gave, they all gave Lee a tremendous amount of respect for what he did.
And even after that, you know, they didn't decide to just like go down and hang every Confederate.
They said, okay, this is done.
You know, Reconstruction was a little ugly, but it was done and it was over with.
And then they embraced them back into the Union.
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah, there's a, yeah, there's, there's so much there.
I mean, one of the, yeah, with Lincoln, you were talking about this weird retconning where they try to turn him into this like wholesome chungus, anti-racist like figure.
And it was like literally like the war happens.
And then they're like, so what do we do now with all these freed slaves?
And he sat back.
He's like, we could just like deport them back to Africa.
Like that was his solution.
Like this guy is just completely out of step with what like the modern political zeitgeist would be like on the right or left.
Like this guy was not this wholesome chungus redditor with a top hat like everyone.
And like, yeah, but I think it's also you mentioned this sort of the Democrats are the real racist line.
Why that is ineffective as a line, I would say I want to propose sort of something different than the conventional line of attack against that line from the right is I want to make the case that modern liberalism as it stands, modern leftism broadly, has no historical analog.
This is something that's demonic in many ways.
And they can't find precedent in history because it's inherently a destructive ideology.
Again, like I said, anyone that did adopt this ideology in any form ended up being destroyed so dramatically that they don't even make the history books.
So when you can, that's a concession when you say the Democrats were the real racist because you're saying, no, they actually do have precedent in history.
This ideology has existed throughout history.
No, this is something entirely new, something entirely horrific, something entirely destructive.
And so that's why I think that line is just specifically like, you think it's like an own, but it's actually the opposite.
It's like, no, you're giving, you're lending them historical credibility and it's just a complete disaster.
And then, yeah, to your point with Robert E. Lee, I mean, you would see these old world powers.
They were like, it was like, it was like college football where they were like scouting him out.
They're like, who is this guy?
Can we pick him up in the transfer portal?
Like, what is going on in America?
This Robert E. Lee guy, again, outnumbered, outgunned, and he's pulling off these massive victories.
You can, there's some historical anecdotes of old world powers, like the French, the English, and the Spanish.
And they're keeping an eye on this guy.
Like, what is he doing that we're missing?
Because we thought Napoleon was like a once-in-a-generation military leader, but Robert E. is pulling off the same stats.
His KDR is insane.
I mean, he's like a way away from the UAV.
I mean, like, what's going on?
logan hall
Yeah, Napoleon himself was arguably pro-Confederate because the Confederates were appealing for foreign recognition that they could say, okay, we've established ourselves.
France stands with us now.
There were some worries that France was actually going to go and put a bunch of troops in Mexico and then aid the Confederacy that way.
But yeah, this is the issue.
Nobody reads anymore.
We have this thing where, yeah, the Democrats are the real racists.
No, the Republicans are the real racists.
Like, this isn't even a debate anymore.
It's just childish.
And one of the great quotes from Shelby Foote, too, is where he says, Neither side gave a damn about this.
This is his quote.
He said, Neither side gave a damn about the slaves.
The South thought they were fighting the Second American Revolution, and the North thought that they were fighting to preserve the Union.
That was what it was about.
So this idea that, like, oh, it's, oh, it's like this wholesome chungus thing.
Like, no, this is a, this is just, and you can say, like, there was a lot of ugly stuff that happened in that war.
We don't have to run from our history, but this is exactly what is happening: we are too afraid to come to grips with the fact.
And we think that we have elevated ourselves.
We're so enlightened.
We're so smart.
We have the internet.
We have technology.
We have all this stuff at our fingertips.
And yet we're much dumber than most.
The average voter is much less aware of knowledge and of history of the Bible, for instance, than most of the soldiers before that.
tate brown
Yeah, literally.
logan hall
It's crazy.
I could rant for hours about this, but yeah, just read old books.
That would be my big takeaway from this.
tate brown
I totally agree.
I mean, yeah, with the Lee and Napoleon comparison, I can't remember which poster pointed this out, but they pointed out that Napoleon studied engineering and Lee studied engineering.
That was like the one thing they had in common is they had an immense understanding of machines and engineering at large.
And that obviously was something that gave them a tremendous edge on the battlefield.
It's worth considering is maybe, you know, I think what happens in our space a lot on the right is people get really bogged down in these like esoteric philosophy books and these like, you know, these deep political thinkers and these sorts of things.
But oftentimes when you want to win, you just need to like have the basics down because really what's going to allow you to win is just if you want it more than the other side.
Like it's one thing if you know all your stuff, you have all the points, you can get to your spots.
You know, if you get left open in the corner, you can knock it down.
But there's something to be said about, look, if you have this hunger and desire to take your country back and you want it more than they do, then it's almost like sometimes a distraction to just like wait until you've read everything and you've accumulated all the knowledge and then you can get out there.
It's like, just like get the, get like the core, the way the world works, have that down pat and build out from there.
So that was kind of my concluding thoughts.
I don't know, Logan, if you have some final thoughts and then more importantly, where people can find you to get more.
logan hall
Nothing crazy.
I'm just going to plug that book once one more time.
Read the Civil War trilogy by Shelby Foote.
It's phenomenal, phenomenal writing.
You can find me at Logan Clark Hall and then follow The Blaze on social media.
tate brown
Very based.
Well, thank you so much, Logan, for hopping on.
I'll catch you around.
logan hall
Thank you, Tate.
tate brown
See you, brother.
All righty, guys.
Well, that was the great Logan Hall.
Man, I knew when this topic was popping up on the timeline, there would have been no one better to bring in this dude.
Not the Glaze, but he's fantastic.
I totally recommend checking out his stuff.
He's doing great work at the Blaze.
With that, we're going to wind down this show.
I don't know, Kellen, did you catch any super chats?
kellen leeson
I think there was one.
If you scroll all the way to the top, it'll show you.
tate brown
All the way to the top.
Let's see.
All sorts of activity in chat.
Everyone's popping up.
Logan Paul.
No, it wasn't Logan Paul.
It was Logan Hall.
unidentified
Yeah.
kellen leeson
This is the only one I saw.
tate brown
Whose life was destroyed?
The Capitol Police one.
I think he's referring to the Brown.
Yeah, the first guy that popped up.
He had like some vaguely leftist beliefs.
And so people on Twitter immediately dogpiled on the guy.
And it turns out he wasn't the guy.
And so now his name is going to forever be tarred.
As far as the, yeah, I mean, that's a whole different thing to the Capitol Police pipe bombing.
We'll probably have to get into that at some point soon because that's also a wild story.
We've been blessed with quite a wild news cycle.
Unfortunately, it's not for good reason, but there is quite a bit of things to sift through.
So yeah, we got to jump on that as well.
But with that, I think we'll wind this show down.
Kellen, if you want to get that raid going for Devori, we're going to send you guys over to the great Devori Darkens for his show.
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He rated us at the top of the show.
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