Dec. 9, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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| What is going on, guys? | ||
| Apologies for being a little late. | ||
| We are on CPT here at Timcast. | ||
| You know, it's very poignant with the title here. | ||
| As you can see by the title, Candace Owens is a spiritual leftist. | ||
| We are going to break that down. | ||
| You probably saw the fireworks yesterday on Timcast IRL. | ||
| Tim had a go-off moment, a patriot go-off moment. | ||
| He, along with everybody else in the space, is a little fed up with Candace Owens. | ||
| She is ripping apart the coalition consciously. | ||
| So I was actually a bit gratuitous with the title calling her a spiritual leftist because fundamentally she is behaving like a leftist. | ||
| Some points of order. | ||
| The lighting should be better today. | ||
| We got that situated. | ||
| You're noticing I got my Carhartt coat on. | ||
| I'm doing a little bit of a LARP here, a working man LARP. | ||
| I have keyboard fingers ultimately. | ||
| Carpal tunnel is the biggest affliction that I face. | ||
| But yeah, it is approximately 40 degrees in this trailer right now. | ||
| We had a total heater failure. | ||
| So right now we're operating off of this little space heater that is so far away from me that I can't actually feel the effects from it at all. | ||
| So it is, you know, the times we're in. | ||
| We got to trudge on. | ||
| We have the camera calibrated, so you shouldn't be seeing my breath, but it is absolutely Baltic in here. | ||
| But we press on. | ||
| We press on. | ||
| My ancestors went through far worse. | ||
| They would be smiling upon me seeing the luxurious conditions that I have. | ||
| So with that, we're going to be getting into the Candace Owens situation, sort of breaking down what the sort of mentality is with her. | ||
| What does she want? | ||
| What is she trying to gain out of this? | ||
| And more importantly, we're going to kind of dive into the, we're going to do an autopsy on what is her audience like? | ||
| What are they getting out of it? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because there's no denying at this point, Candace Owens is huge. | ||
| She's growing in influence rapidly. | ||
| And we're going to unpack why that is. | ||
| We're going to unpack sort of what is going on. | ||
| So with that, before we get started, I do want to sort of walk you guys through the timeline of Candace Owens, sort of the background, to sort of give evidence for my case. | ||
| It shouldn't be that difficult if you've seen the way that she's behaved, but why she is in fact a spiritual leftist. | ||
| Keith Woods puts together a really good timeline that he posted. | ||
| I think it was earlier today, sort of breaking down Candace's background. | ||
| So I will read here. | ||
| Actually, I'll put it up on the screen here for you guys. | ||
| Oh, wait, one sec. | ||
| Let me size this properly. | ||
| We're doing everything on the fly. | ||
| You know, we're in a new trailer, a new studio, as you guys have seen. | ||
| There is all sorts of things going on. | ||
| But yeah, I wanted to bring receipts ultimately because I don't want to be just pontificating or monologuing, but I want to provide you guys with some actual background here. | ||
| So here's the background. | ||
| Again, I'm using Keith Woods, his ride-up here, because it was really good. | ||
| In 2007, Candace used the NAACP to get a $37,000 settlement from Stanford after she was allegedly the victim of racism. | ||
| Sound familiar? | ||
| That is right up the NAAP. | ||
| That is right out of the NAACP's playbook. | ||
| That is exactly how they operate. | ||
| And yeah, we have the article here. | ||
| This was reported at the time out of Danbury. | ||
| Racist threat case filed by Stanford high school student settled for $3,700. | ||
| $37,500. | ||
| The lawsuit filed in May accused the city of failing to act because of one of the callers is the son of Stanford Mayor Daniel Malloy. | ||
| So again, from day one, from day one, she was conducting herself in a manner to undermine the right wing in the United States. | ||
| She was race grifting. | ||
| There's no question about that. | ||
| Race hustling as the term a lot of people use. | ||
| And yeah, this is, again, very familiar to all American patriots because, yeah, for the longest time, race grievance, race grievance politics has been used as a bludgeon against the right wing, against white Americans particularly. | ||
| And really, in the United States, sort of the perceived racism against black people has been the sort of primary force in the anti-white hatred that has blanketed our nation. | ||
| And Candace Owens was an active participant. | ||
| She was an active participant within this thing. | ||
| So we got a producer here. | ||
| We got producer Surge is in the cut. | ||
| He's hanging out. | ||
| He's nearby. | ||
| He's having a good time. | ||
| And yeah, so we're going to keep going here. | ||
| We're going to keep looking here at what Keith Woods wrote up here. | ||
| In 2015, at the peak of Gamergate hysteria, she made an anti-conservative, anti-gamer website, then a doxing website named Social Autopsy. | ||
| Now, again, if you've been around the block for a little bit, which I haven't, I'm relatively on the young end, but I vaguely remember my political consciousness was awoken during the Gamergate scandal. | ||
| In many ways, I was the prime demographic. | ||
| I was like 14, 15 years old, and I was a gamer. | ||
| I was more of like a Madden FIFA 2K gamer, so it wasn't really hardcore. | ||
| So a lot of gamers and chat are probably calling me out, calling me a fake gamer. | ||
| But yeah, the Gamergate hysteria, it was kind of, in many ways, the first shot fired with the MAGA revolution in the United States. | ||
| A lot of people have now gone on to do sort of retrospectives on what led to MAGA, what led to Trump's election, and what led to his roaring success in the primaries. | ||
| And many people attribute it to the online commentary class. | ||
| A lot of people attribute it to early on. | ||
| I mean, if you remember when Trump announced, he was at like 1% famously. | ||
| Ann Coulter went on Bill Maher and was laughed out the room when she said Donald Trump had the best chances of being the Republican nominee for president. | ||
| But yeah, the Gamergate situation, hysteria, whatever you want to call it, whatever you want to call that moment, in many ways created that sort of anti-SGW environment that propelled Trump to victory. | ||
| And Candace Owens was on the other side of that. | ||
| So as all these patriots globally, I mean, Carl Benjamin was a major figure in Gamergate. | ||
| He was in Britain. | ||
| So it was kind of a global thing. | ||
| As that was kicking off, Candace Owens was on the other side, right? | ||
| Candace Owens was an opponent. | ||
| She was an opponent in this. | ||
| She was a part of what we were fighting against. | ||
| So Keith Woods writes here, obviously she had this doxing website named Social Autopsy. | ||
| This website, from what I understand, never made it, the database that they had collected on right-wingers never went fully public. | ||
| But this was a project that she was working on. | ||
| This is a project that she was building. | ||
| And she had the full intention from her earliest days of political activism to destroy the right wing, destroy right-wingers, ruin our lives, etc., etc. | ||
| I'll keep reading here from Keith's breakdown. | ||
| After Trump won and conservative alt media blew up, she had a, quote, overnight conversion to conservatism. | ||
| With Trumpism crying out for based minority representatives, she made herself the face of Blexit. | ||
| You remember Blexit? | ||
| You remember that? | ||
| That was where we, as a conservative movement, worshipped black people and simped and all in hopes of maybe gaining two more percentage points in the polling with both black Americans. | ||
| Like the reality is black Americans are going to be a stalwart for the Democrat Party for a very long time. | ||
| It's neither here nor there. | ||
| But yeah, if you remember, she had her YouTube channel. | ||
| It was Red Pill Black, very on the nose with the name there. | ||
| And yeah, it was this sudden twist where as soon as she saw which way the wind was blowing, which way she could make some money, she suddenly became this base black conservative commentator just overnight. | ||
| And Keith Woods continues right here. | ||
| After previously being a Zionist, she flipped on that issue well after anti-Zionism exploded on the right post-October 7th. | ||
| Again, this is another, you know, exhibit in the case of her just really just being a charlatan of sorts. | ||
| Yeah, she obviously when she was, especially with her activism at Turning Point, was a fervent supporter of the state of Israel. | ||
| And, you know, oftentimes would sort of critique those who had critiques of our relationship with Israel. | ||
| She would, you know, emphasize the importance of reiterating that alliance with Israel. | ||
| She was very much kind of a normie. | ||
| She kind of parroted the same talking points that we have heard for years on Israel. | ||
| And yeah, suddenly, as soon as it became popular on the right to critique Israel, to break down sort of our relationship with them and question aspects of it, suddenly her position evolved and she became this fervent anti-Zionist commentator. | ||
| So yeah, it was quite the twist of fate here for Candace. | ||
| She obviously had this awakening. | ||
| And yeah, so Keith continues to write, these wild swings make sense when you realize that narcissists like Candace treat beliefs like costumes. | ||
| They need to be swapped out for attention and status. | ||
| Again, these points here make that abundantly clear. | ||
| She has never actually evolved or re-evaluated her beliefs. | ||
| She just jumped between cultural flashpoints whenever there was a ready-made audience to whom she could cast herself as the heroic victim. | ||
| In the Obama era, she was the victim of racism. | ||
| During Gamergate, she was standing up to the gamer trolls. | ||
| And in the Trump era, the woke left. | ||
| And then after October 7th, the Zionists. | ||
| Now that she has no filters, she has convinced herself entire governments are trying to kill her. | ||
| So yeah, she's been doing the rounds. | ||
| She's been saying, you know, Bradrit Macron, obviously, famously, she's accusing Badrit, Bridgette, whatever. | ||
| I'm just going to say Bridget because I'm an American. | ||
| I'm not going to use the froggy pronunciations. | ||
| Her name is Bridgette Macrone, apparently. | ||
| Wee-wee-boo-boo. | ||
| It's Bridget Macron. | ||
| And yeah, so suddenly Candace has this awakening. | ||
| Maybe she saw it in a dream. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, she does have history at the NAACP, so perhaps this was an MLK moment from her. | ||
| She had a dream that Brigitte was a man. | ||
| Now, look, I don't want to be mean. | ||
| I'm not one of these looks-maxing types of guys. | ||
| You know, everyone is made in the image of God. | ||
| Everyone has beauty in the eyes of God. | ||
| There's no question about that. | ||
| But I think the reality with Brigitte, with Bridget, is that she's just chopped. | ||
| I think that's what's going on here. | ||
| Just because you're chopped, that doesn't make you a transnie. | ||
| We're on Rumble. | ||
| I can say that. | ||
| Candace, I guess, never had seen a chopped woman before and suddenly accused her of being transgender. | ||
| It's very bizarre. | ||
| And then she just stirred up this whole notion that the French government was trying to kill her. | ||
| The Macrones are suing her. | ||
| That's rather infamous. | ||
| And the reason she can do these things, the reason now that she can make these bombastic claims is because she is married to one of the most powerful, she's married to a member of one of the most powerful families in Britain who have coffers like the world has never seen. | ||
| And she knows that she's insulated from a lot of accountability because any lawsuit that comes her way, she can just eat it. | ||
| I know a lot of people in the commentary class are petrified to make false claims. | ||
| A, because it's wrong and immoral, but B, because they know that there could potentially be legal ramifications. | ||
| They could potentially catch a defamation lawsuit. | ||
| In her case, she can operate with complete impunity. | ||
| She can lie. | ||
| She can smear. | ||
| She can do whatever she wants because she knows. | ||
| In my back. | ||
| We lost internet for a second here. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Live. | ||
| Going to live. | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| Let me. | ||
| I think we're back. | ||
| Okay, we're back. | ||
| I see myself saying we're back. | ||
| No, you're good. | ||
| You're good. | ||
| So, yeah, we're having some technical difficulties, but we're back. | ||
| Yeah, everyone's saying in chat, we're back. | ||
| We are back. | ||
| As a country, we're back. | ||
| We can talk about Candace. | ||
| This is really something. | ||
| We are back, aren't we? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So where was I? | ||
| I was calling Brigitte Macaron chopped. | ||
| I was saying Candace is a psychopath who is totally insulated from any sort of, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's where I was. | ||
| Anyway, so with that, unbelievable. | ||
| Let's take a look at some of the clips from last night. | ||
| We'll look at the big clip, the clip everyone's talking about, the clip that everyone is commentating on. | ||
| It was Tim's Patriot crash out from last night. | ||
| I'm just going to play it. | ||
| I'm going to play it. | ||
| You guys are going to watch. | ||
| You've probably seen it, but this is just in case you haven't seen it. | ||
| I want you to see this because, hey, let me lead. | ||
| Let me say I agree with everything Tim said. | ||
| I don't really curse on air. | ||
| I don't really curse in general. | ||
| It's just not my style. | ||
| I'm a good Southern Baptist boy. | ||
| But Tim, being a man of Chicago, a man from the lake, he has access to a bit more colorful language. | ||
| So let's take a look at what Tim had to say last night. | ||
| This was really something. | ||
| Everyone loved this. | ||
| Okay, maybe we won't. | ||
| Maybe audio is not feeding. | ||
| Okay, that's fantastic. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Does this work? | ||
| Causing a shit. | ||
| Oh, audio's feeding. | ||
| the first time in history is now in dire straits their leader and founder murdered and prominent pieces of human trash are trying to destroy it it's it's fucking evil So you know what? | ||
| When someone pulls in front of my property and fires on it several times, I'm sitting here looking at these vile pieces of shit and thinking to myself, for what purpose will I stick my neck out if this is what happens after Charlie Kirk is killed? | ||
| Candace Owens is a fucking evil scumbag. | ||
| She is a degenerate cunt. | ||
| She is burning everything down and she's gloating and smiling while she does it. | ||
| And you know what you fucking told me? | ||
| She has no security. | ||
| She doesn't fucking deal with the shit we have to deal with. | ||
| She's a piece of shit. | ||
| She's making everyone else suffer. | ||
| And all of these fucking conservatives out there that send me these fucking messages have no fucking balls to call her out. | ||
| More and more people have started doing it. | ||
| They send me these fucking messages. | ||
| Good for you, Tim. | ||
| Good for you, Tim. | ||
| I wasn't the first person to do it. | ||
| I'm not going to take credit for that. | ||
| But don't fucking DM me. | ||
| Like I did something for you as you cower, as you fucking cower, scared that she'll put you on her thumbnail and claim you benefited from Charlie Kirk's assassination. | ||
| What she's doing to me right fucking now. | ||
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Yeah, that was the... | |
| I'm fucking done with these people. | ||
| She has security, just not in the level of you. | ||
| Oh, yeah, the one fat guy you mentioned with no wall and no barrier in a suburban neighborhood with neighbors. | ||
| She doesn't give two fucking shits. | ||
| No one's out for her. | ||
| She's lying about all of this. | ||
| You told me you went to her house and she's got a four-foot wall and one fat guy. | ||
| And she doesn't give a shit about our security. | ||
| Meanwhile, I get bullets fired at my fucking property and I have to go live in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| And I got fucking strangers coming up to my house in Maryland, breaking in. | ||
| I got people showing up and beating up the residents who try to live there. | ||
| How the fuck am I even supposed to sell this property? | ||
| And you know, it's all lies. | ||
| It's all hypocrisy. | ||
| And it is for the purpose of making money. | ||
| And she does not live the way other people live. | ||
| And she claims she liked Charlie. | ||
| She loved Charlie. | ||
| And she is burning everything down that he built because she is evil. | ||
| She is evil. | ||
| And I'll say it again. | ||
| This conservative movement is fractured. | ||
| It's fried. | ||
| Whatever it is. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Republicans are on track to lose the midterms. | ||
| They were actually trending in the other direction until Charlie Kirk was murdered. | ||
| And this is the point, isn't it? | ||
| The most effective political assassination in history. | ||
| And thanks to the likes of the vile cunt Candace Owens, she has turned Turning Point into the perpetrators of the crime that was against them. | ||
| Very based from Tim. | ||
| It was a patriot go-off moment. | ||
| And yeah, in many ways, Tim is uniting the right. | ||
| Now, like I said, to lead the show, I think I got it in. | ||
| Candace is just really attempting to rip apart the coalition here. | ||
| This is fundamentally why I'm sort of labeling her a spiritual leftist or why I'm correctly identifying that she's a spiritual leftist because she is doing to the right-wing coalition right now something that no leftist that, you know, none of our opponents could ever dream of doing. | ||
| None of them could ever dream of being so incisive as to cause this rift, as to somehow, in the weeks and months following the assassination of the quarterback of the MAGA movement, Charlie Kirk, completely shred apart the entire coalition, destroy Turning Point USA. | ||
| Well, they're trying to destroy Turning Point USA, our most effective vehicle for political action in the United States. | ||
| I mean, you got to ask yourself, we're looking at the midterms. | ||
| The polling was good following September 10th. | ||
| We were doing all right. | ||
| We were good. | ||
| We were kosher. | ||
| Things were looking good. | ||
| Things were looking up. | ||
| We were trending in the right direction. | ||
| It looks like we were going to hold the House, gonna hold the Senate. | ||
| We were fine. | ||
| We were fine. | ||
| We were winning. | ||
| That's what people always forget. | ||
| We were winning going into the Charlie Kirk assassination. | ||
| That happens. | ||
| We have a few days where everyone's locked in. | ||
| Everyone's focused. | ||
| Everyone's saying, oh my gosh, we have to destroy these people. | ||
| We have to focus all fire. | ||
| You know, we had multiple commentators coming out who have feuded with each other in the past. | ||
| And they said, look, we're putting all of this aside. | ||
| We have to focus here. | ||
| Our lives are on the line, quite literally. | ||
| And it took, what, two weeks before Candace started like, you know, spinning up these ridiculous, ridiculous theories saying that, you know, a shooter popped out of a jack in the box and shot Charlie and the shooter was actually Erica and that Erica is actually Israeli and that Brigitte Macron's both a man and a woman and she's somehow involved. | ||
| It's total, totally bananas, totally bananas. | ||
| That's why I say, like, look, no one in the Democrat Party could have been this effective at causing this rift. | ||
| And beyond that, putting Tim on these thumbnails and demonizing him and calling them, you know, all these different things, these different accusations, all that does is put a target on his back. | ||
| That's all that does. | ||
| That's all that does. | ||
| That seems to be her goal. | ||
| She doesn't seem to really care that that's the case. | ||
| She's happy to tear everyone down as long as it gives her clicks, as long as it drives audience to her channel. | ||
| Because like Keith pointed out, that's all the bottom line really is for her, is ensuring that she has an audience, ensuring that she has attention, assuring that people are watching, that people are listening to what she has to say, regardless of what it is. | ||
| She has no North Star. | ||
| She has no mission, no ideology. | ||
| It is fundamentally about eyeballs. | ||
| People need to be listening to me. | ||
| It's an ego, ego thing. | ||
| So, following Tim's crash out, the very valid Patriot crash out, I use crash out as a term of endearment. | ||
| When someone that I don't like is crashing out, I call that spurging. | ||
| When someone that I do like crashes out, I call that a crash out. | ||
| I want that to be very abundantly clear. | ||
| We're seeing Tim stitch back together this coalition in many ways following this because, look, a lot of people felt this about Candace. | ||
| I'm not going to name names, but we've had conversations around the space, and there's a lot of people that are fed up with her BS. | ||
| They're sick and tired of it. | ||
| But a lot of people are too scared to say anything for a variety of reasons. | ||
| She has sort of these ideological hatchet men floating around, tearing down anybody that has criticism. | ||
| There's blackmail. | ||
| There's a lot of blackmail going on. | ||
| It is grim out there. | ||
| But Tim courageously came out, you know, very colorful language, laid out the situation. | ||
| And a lot of people on the right are recognizing this. | ||
| Look, I want to play this clip from Nick Fuentes last night. | ||
| You know, who would have thought that Tim and Nick Fuentes would be aligning on the issue? | ||
| Who would have thought that you would have, you know, Ben Shapiro, Tim Poole, Nick Fuentes from three different worlds, these guys, and they're all like in agreement on this, that Candace is completely out of control. | ||
| I'll play the clip. | ||
| This was last night on Nick Fuentes on his evening show. | ||
| Nick, keep an open mind on Israeli involvement in Charlie's assassination. | ||
| There are many facts and suspicious events pointing that way. | ||
| Why are we stop noticing when it comes to this? | ||
| America first. | ||
| You're an idiot. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Thank you for the big super chat. | ||
| But I'm sorry. | ||
| If you're on the Candace Owens train, I'm not even going to pretend like I'm going to try to appease you. | ||
| It's wrong. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| All of it is stupid. | ||
| And I'm not going to entertain it at all. | ||
| And I thought Tim Poole had an epic go-off on it tonight. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| I have never seen such a clear-cut case of an individual person being such an unnecessary detriment through sheer ignorance and irresponsibility. | ||
| I've never seen it. | ||
| Because you could say other people that have done things like Shapiro or Charlie Kirk or whoever, you could say they're part of a system or there's an incentive structure. | ||
| They're playing by the rules, whatever. | ||
| Candace is spearheading this thing. | ||
| Like she is creating this hysteria, and it is to the detriment of everybody. | ||
| It is to the detriment of the right wing broadly. | ||
| It is to the detriment of anyone that seriously talks about Jews in Israel. | ||
| And it's to the detriment of rationality. | ||
| It is the definition of hysteria. | ||
| And I thought Tim Poole very courageous, because I know he's getting shit for it, to say something about it. | ||
| He had an epic go-off on it. | ||
| Major respect for him. | ||
| But yeah, no, I'm not with that at all. | ||
| Thank you for the big super chat, but respectfully, no, disrespectfully, that is stupid. | ||
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| And I don't buy into that for two seconds. | ||
| Charlie Kirk was Israel's number. | ||
| You say, why are we stopped noticing? | ||
| First of all, why are we stopped noticing? | ||
| You can't even write. | ||
| You can't read or write. | ||
| You're a fucking idiot. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, nobody stopped noticing. | ||
| Noticing is about paying attention to evidence. | ||
| Evidence. | ||
| Not scraping the bottom of the barrel talking about maroon t-shirts and looking at flight logs and finding any and every possible thing and throwing it at the wall to see what will stick. | ||
| She says to Russell Brand, it's all connected. | ||
| Brigitte Macrone, Charlie Kirk, the war in Gaza. | ||
| What a coincidence that everything you talk about is really all the same thing. | ||
| Just knew it was going back to Brigete Macron. | ||
| So no it's and uh, you know nobody, nobody wants to say that, because everybody is afraid of this hysterical mob. | ||
| I faced it before I was right, before i'm right about this, i'll be vindicated. | ||
| Yeah, so fantastic from Nick here, I mean fair play. | ||
| He, he's right on this, there's no question about it. | ||
| He's clocked Candace right away for what she is. | ||
| I mean, I know he went on his show or her show recently and it was uh, pretty confrontational uh, to say the least, and uh yeah it's it's, it's really something that that people are correctly identifying who the snakes are. | ||
| They're correctly identifying who's trying to rip this coalition apart. | ||
| Um, it is good to see, it is good to see everyone is aligned here. | ||
| So, with that we are going to bring we're going to bring Oron Mcintyre in, we're going to have see what his thoughts are on the Candace situation. | ||
| Um, he's had a lot to say on on, on twitter, on his show, etc etc. | ||
| And so uh, you know he saw the crash out, he saw the patriot crash out, and I got it. | ||
| Um and uh, and so this it's gonna be good to see, it's gonna be good to see. | ||
| So let's get uh Oron in the room here. | ||
| Let's get it fired up before we do. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| Well, we are back here and we have a great guest joining us. | ||
| Uh, it is going to be. | ||
| It is going to be excellent. | ||
| I'm looking forward to this. | ||
| So let's get over to the interview portion of the show. | ||
| Or on how you doing. | ||
| Can you hear me? | ||
| Yeah man, how's it going? | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Well, I opened up uh, obviously addressing Tim's. | ||
| Uh, i'm calling it a patriot crash out. | ||
| I was, I was emphasizing that I use crash out as a term of endearment. | ||
| I I I correctly identified that when someone I don't like uh is having a moment, it's, it's a spurg out, and then when it's a patriot, it's a crash out. | ||
| So I use it as a term of endearment. | ||
| I wanted to bring you in and get your thoughts on last night and sort of overall your thoughts on Candace and her role in this movement. | ||
| So I'll give you the floor here. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand Tim's frustration, especially given all the security concerns and everything else happening there. | ||
| I think ultimately he recognizes that pushing different narratives about nefarious actors inside the Republican Party, conservative movements, these kind of things, artificially attributing fault to different people. | ||
| This can drive people to ridiculous and radical action. | ||
| I mean, obviously, we don't know if that's what happened in this case. | ||
| We don't have enough information, but we've seen the way in which leftist propaganda and other suggestions about the fact that different actors are behind violence or corrupting different things is going to drive people towards these conspiracy theories and make them more likely to take some kind of violent action. | ||
| I will say that it's been interesting to watch this development. | ||
| I don't know how many people remember this, but for those of us who have been around since Gamergate, the deep lore from Candace Owens originally was that she ran this site Social Autopsy, which was basically like a doxing service to try to ruin the life of people online. | ||
| Now, eventually she kind of changed her tune and the left didn't like her very much. | ||
| She got some kind of blowback. | ||
| And so this kind of moved her to the right. | ||
| This was her, the left, left, me, Dave Rubin type moment. | ||
| But, you know, it's always been difficult to tell, is that a real Candace or is that Candace moving with the currents? | ||
| She's obviously always been somebody who is very talented, somebody who is able to be captivating, has a lot of charisma, can put her pulse on what people want to hear. | ||
| But is she saying what she really believes, right? | ||
| She went from being a pro-doxing, anti-Gamergate liberal to being kind of this new right MAGA coalition person. | ||
| She fed kind of the boomer con-based blacks, get the African Americans off the Democrat reservation, Blexit type narrative. | ||
| And so she's just kind of always found this audience where she can say exactly to them what they want to hear. | ||
| Now, maybe that is really her genuine political evolution, but that fact that she's once again found herself with a new audience that she can tell exactly what they want to hear, when they want to hear it, create the drama, fit that exact, it just feels pretty convenient that once again we find ourselves in that place with Candace's trajectory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, I was reading earlier, Keith Woods, he kind of put together these turns that she's had throughout her career and tied it to these moments in the sort of the political zeitgeist and how she seemingly adopts the position where the most energy is at any given time or there is significant energy at any given time. | ||
| I mean, he pointed out how she was actually a Zionist. | ||
| She was an avowed Zionist for the longest time. | ||
| She was a part of the broader MAGA coalition. | ||
| October 7th happens. | ||
| Obviously, there's a lot of this energy sort of critiquing Israel, sort of analyzing our relationship with Israel. | ||
| And then suddenly she turns into this like bold, brash anti-Zionist like overnight, and that becomes her new brand. | ||
| And to me, I'm just looking at that. | ||
| I'm looking at all these touch points throughout her career. | ||
| And to me, the priority for her seems to be audience. | ||
| There doesn't seem to be a North Star. | ||
| There doesn't seem to be a mission. | ||
| There doesn't seem to be sort of a vision for how she would like the country to be. | ||
| It's just like perpetual contrarianism. | ||
| And to be fair, this strain exists on the right. | ||
| And it's been a big problem of perpetual contrarianism, where as soon as we accumulate any power, like for example, in the second term here, where things, by all accounts, are directionally correct, they instantly become skeptical. | ||
| They instantly become uneasy. | ||
| They instantly try to analyze like, okay, there has to be something off here. | ||
| There has to be something wrong. | ||
| We're never in power. | ||
| But Candace has taken this to a whole new level where she is just consistently looking for what could turn her into the victim. | ||
| And this goes all the way back to 2007, obviously, when she joined forces of the NAACP to extract $35,000. | ||
| And I just, that's all I see here. | ||
| I just, I just see her constantly trying to line up on the side that would make her the underdog and give her, make her be the renegade. | ||
| That seems to be what she's prioritizing at all times. | ||
| Well, and you know, she also gets the advantage, and I'll say this in to some level her defense, the fact that people get so incensed about her, the fact that people so overshoot what she's doing, they will make factual errors and then she gets to capitalize on them, right? | ||
| Like, so I think she is saying some rather ridiculous stuff. | ||
| I'm not here to agree with most of it. | ||
| But the point is that when, you know, when someone comes out and says, well, Charlie Kirk never sent this kind of text message. | ||
| He never expressed these views. | ||
| He would never do that. | ||
| And then she can turn around and reveal this in some kind of big evidence, you know, on her podcast. | ||
| This lends her credibility. | ||
| This gives her momentum. | ||
| And this allows her audience to then buy into some of the more extreme or ridiculous things she's saying. | ||
| Because if Candace had the receipts on this, then maybe she has it on the other stuff, right? | ||
| And so there's always, and that's the nice thing for her. | ||
| She can advance, you know, 10 crazy theories. | ||
| And even if nine of them get swatted down, if one of them happens to be right, now she's vindicated and she just pushes that theory and uses that as the stepping stone. | ||
| So you can lose nine times, win once, and you're ultimately the winner, right? | ||
| And this is kind of the Alex Jones thing. | ||
| And again, not to tie these to one-to-one, but a lot of people would forever say, how does Alex Jones get all these things right? | ||
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| He seems so crazy. | ||
| He's out there, but he seems right more often than he's wrong. | ||
| And the answer is like, well, Alex Jones just said that everybody in the establishment was evil and doing the most evil thing all the time. | ||
| And even though a lot of times he was wrong about the specifics, he's directionally correct that these are the most evil people in the world. | ||
| So he's going to hit more often than he misses just because of that. | ||
| It's not as extreme for Candace, but I feel like she's also benefiting from that dynamic as well. | ||
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| And the way that she's sort of unveiling and revealing these new twists and her and sort of the story that she's concocting. | ||
| I mean, I've talked about before how we're seeing within conservative media sort of the Mr. Beastification of polemics, where, you know, people are just trying to go as loud and bold and brash and colorful as possible. | ||
| She's kind of sort of putting together the Netflixification of polemics where she's like, stay tuned for episode two, where I reveal that Charlie Kirk was in love with me or that Bedritte Macron has transitioned back to being a woman. | ||
| Like you never know what's going to, what's going to happen. | ||
| And that's unfortunately the way that Americans operate. | ||
| We eat that up, hook, line, and sinker. | ||
| And it's just really alarming to see that politics is a very serious thing. | ||
| Like this is what people forget. | ||
| It's like, look, I know it can be fun and there's memes and there's jokes and there's a degree of entertainment. | ||
| The blood sport side obviously has always been around to some degree, but is really amplified in the social media era. | ||
| But we saw Charlie Kirk die in 4K footage on all of our phones. | ||
| We all remember where we were. | ||
| And after that moment, it should be really real to people that, you know, whatever aside, this is life and death. | ||
| And we're talking about the country that we're going to leave to our children and grandchildren. | ||
| And then you see people like her engaging in the Netflixification. | ||
| That's a tough word. | ||
| The Netflixification of politics. | ||
| It's really just really horrible to see. | ||
| It's like these people just don't know what time it is. | ||
| You know, I tried to explain to people because a number of guys I was talking with were trying to understand this behavior and why there was such a market for it. | ||
| And the answer I told them is like, guys, you're not people to Candace Owens' audience. | ||
| You're characters in a TV show, right? | ||
| Like your death on a TV screen is just a plot twist. | ||
| You don't have a family. | ||
| I mean, look at the way that people are treating Erica Kirk as she's trying to raise these poor children after being widowed in this incredibly violent act. | ||
| But, you know, you would never say something like what's being said about Erica Kirk to anyone's face. | ||
| And you shouldn't. | ||
| If you do, you wouldn't walk out of a room with me in it. | ||
| But ultimately, that people will just do this because she's just the wicked stepmom on some TV show they're watching. | ||
| It's not a real person. | ||
| And of course, we can draw this back to the daily show. | ||
| I'm old enough. | ||
| I'm an old man. | ||
| I remember when the daily show started. | ||
| Let Unk take you back to the before times when the magic was written. | ||
| But I remember when the Daily Show came out, and this was a big deal because before that, news was news and entertainment was entertainment. | ||
| You had a few programs like Donahue or like Crossfire where people would try to like debate. | ||
| But for the most part, even those programs at least provided a veneer of serious addressing of issues, as where Jon Stewart was obviously just mugging for the camera and bringing politicians on to embarrass them and the clown nose on, clown nose off thing where he would preach, you know, and then all of a sudden pretend he's a clown so that he doesn't have the consequences of being a political commentator. | ||
| And this became the mode by which politics got communicated to people, right? | ||
| All of a sudden, people didn't get their news from Walter Cronkite or some serious news desk. | ||
| They got it while Stephen Colbert was cracking jokes about Trump. | ||
| And the fact that those things have been hybridized means that's very difficult for us to take politics seriously anymore. | ||
| Politics isn't just something that's happening. | ||
| It's not the way our country is governed. | ||
| It's an entertainment product. | ||
| We now consume it in the way that we would consume anything else. | ||
| And of course, you and I work in this industry. | ||
| So it's not like we're completely without guilt to some degree on this. | ||
| But the fact that that has become the mode means that someone like Candace can operate without really needing to provide any serious news content while still driving the political conversation. | ||
| And this is what happens when the right has to do all of especially its politics online in the entertainment sphere. | ||
| We don't have academia. | ||
| We don't have other places where we can cultivate ideas, argue ideas in a serious way. | ||
| The only way we do it is podcasts and news shows and entertainment. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, because that's why there's kind of been this rush since the MAGA movement sort of originated to intellectualize a lot of these ideas. | ||
| And people kind of rolled their eyes at it. | ||
| But you kind of need that stability for people because, again, when something like Charlie, the Charlie Kirk assassination happens and it's so dramatic and it's so scary, quite frankly, that breeds a lot of anxiety in people. | ||
| That breeds a lot of discomfort and instability and these sorts of things. | ||
| And Candace is exploiting that by instead of sort of backfilling and providing people with a vision for here's what we need to do. | ||
| Here's how we can prevent this from ever happening again. | ||
| She peddles these conspiracy theories. | ||
| It's almost a cliche pedaling conspiracy theories, but that's what's going on here. | ||
| And it's because the audience, quite frankly, is looking for an answer here. | ||
| They don't want to believe the reality that alone gunmen or whatever collaboration, but that effectively a random guy can take down a Titan like Charlie Kirk. | ||
| People don't want to believe that. | ||
| People don't want to believe that the world is that chaotic, the world is that evil. | ||
| They would rather believe that there has to be some bigger motivation here. | ||
| This can't be how this ends. | ||
| This can't be how the story ends. | ||
| We saw the same thing with the Trump assassination. | ||
| We don't want to believe that this sort of evil and chaos could be enacted by such a relatively insignificant party. | ||
| But that's just the reality of the world we live in. | ||
| I mean, the reality of this world is it is chaotic. | ||
| It is scary. | ||
| And that's not a good feeling. | ||
| And that's why strong policy, strong executive power is sort of the anecdote right now. | ||
| And it would be really useful if people like Candace were sort of steering people in the correct direction. | ||
| But no, she's exploiting this tendency for people. | ||
| They need security right now. | ||
| And they would rather hear that, oh, no, there's this huge network that took them out rather than the reality is, you know, Tyler Robinson and maybe a few of his friends and local agitators were behind this ultimately. | ||
| You know, I'm trying to remember. | ||
| I think it was Genghis Khan had the famous quote, you know, if you had not created, if you had not committed these monstrous sins, God would not have sent me to punish you. | ||
| And in a way, that's kind of Candace Owens right now, right? | ||
| So what we have is an epistemological crisis, right? | ||
| We've had a shattering of the way we gather and understand information. | ||
| After the COVID, after all the betrayals involved, every institution from the medical to the political to the religious, the news, everything broke down. | ||
| Everything lied to us. | ||
| Everything we were told was a conspiracy theory turned out to be true. | ||
| It was, you know, the joke is like the difference between a mainstream media headline and a right-wing conspiracy theory is three months. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, like that's where we're at. | ||
| And so they're, you know, many of us warned this, right? | ||
| Like, you guys can't keep doing this. | ||
| If you keep doing this, you will break the machine. | ||
| You will break society. | ||
| And they did. | ||
| They didn't listen. | ||
| They kept doing it. | ||
| And now the cost is coming due. | ||
| And I don't like what Candace is doing, but it's kind of inevitable, right? | ||
| If all trust in the institutions and news is shattered, then how do we come to a shared understanding of the world? | ||
| The answer is we don't. | ||
| And people like Candace Owens can capitalize on that. | ||
| So is she doing something bad? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| But is she more of a symptom of a larger problem than the problem itself? | ||
| Yeah, I really think that she ultimately is. | ||
| We can't shatter truth. | ||
| We can't shatter our collective sense-making apparatus in the United States and the wider West and then turn around and be like, why are people believing Candace Owens? | ||
| Why are people believing these conspiracy theories? | ||
| Well, because the last 10 conspiracy theories they believe turned out to be right. | ||
| So why would 11 be any different? | ||
| Yeah, that's a great point is that, I mean, especially following Charlie Kirk's assassination, there was a huge vacuum for information on the right. | ||
| And like you said, I mean, Candace Owens is a symptom. | ||
| If it wasn't her, we would just be insert name here. | ||
| Oh, insert name here is really tearing this coalition apart. | ||
| I mean, the reality, people like you have said this for years or something along these lines is like the need for a counter elite to be ready to go, ready to rock. | ||
| And the instance that, you know, Trump is successful and he seems to be trending in this direction at sort of picking apart this elite that has lied to us at every turn. | ||
| Like you've said, they've corrupted virtually every institution that exists, barring like, I don't know, like police unions. | ||
| So every institution is off the table for the right. | ||
| That does, you know, sort of amplify the need that we have for a counter elite to be ready to rock, ready to go when their number is called. | ||
| So like you said, I mean, this vacuum occurs. | ||
| And yeah, people are going to turn to Candace Owens. | ||
| She's providing an explanation. | ||
| She's providing, you know, she's stitching together a narrative that you can buy into because in many ways, there's not many other narratives for people to buy into. | ||
| It's a total, total mess. | ||
| And yeah, that was an excellent point, right? | ||
| I mean, that, yeah, Candace Owens is sort of the one of the many, one of the many pieces of this storm, not necessarily the cause of the storm. | ||
| And this is something I've really been trying to get the right to understand. | ||
| And they don't like this because it strikes at kind of a very thin veil that they've had pulled over kind of their actual political situation. | ||
| But the truth is that especially in mass politics, when we're scaling up politics and including hundreds of millions of people and trying to persuade them one way or another, people need narratives. | ||
| You know, I think this is the one contribution Jordan Peterson actually provided to the right. | ||
| It's not just about truth in the Sam Harris biological science way. | ||
| It's about truth in the collective understanding way. | ||
| And narratives are not less or more true than science. | ||
| They are the way in which we understand all things, including science or others. | ||
| And when we don't fill a space with a narrative, when there isn't a cohesive way for us to collectively understand an event, something will fill that void, right? | ||
| Something will come in and fill that space. | ||
| And frankly, the fact that the Trump administration, while they have made great gains in other areas, have simply done basically nothing about the death of Charlie Kirk. | ||
| The narrative has been empty, right? | ||
| We hear little to nothing about the shooting. | ||
| We see little to no action about this. | ||
| Yes, we've designated Antifa and terrorist group both domestically and internationally. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Where are my arrests? | ||
| Where are my raids? | ||
| Why is it there? | ||
| You know, J6 guys had FBI agents swinging through windows, pulling them out of beds, ripping them out of their truck cabs, pulling them out of their workplaces a few weeks after the event. | ||
| Why can't we do that for radical leftists who are encouraging violence like we saw against Charlie Kirk and likely like we've seen against other conservative commentators? | ||
| Why can't they do that? | ||
| The answer is they're either scared or they're stupid. | ||
| There is no other answer to this question. | ||
| And in that void comes the conspiracies. | ||
| Well, why aren't we taking real action? | ||
| Maybe we don't know. | ||
| Maybe people are involved that the Trump administration doesn't want out it, right? | ||
| Like all those things start to come out because we see nothing happening. | ||
| Our shared reality doesn't make sense. | ||
| And so someone can come in and fill that. | ||
| And that's what Candace is doing. | ||
| Maybe for the worse, but if you're not going to fill that appetite, somebody is. | ||
| What does this say about the state of debate? | ||
| Because I mean, people correctly identified following Kirk that debate, the left had given up on it. | ||
| They were just going kinetic. | ||
| They're saying, you know, we're tired of these roundtable discussions. | ||
| We just want power now. | ||
| But now within our coalition, where Candace is unresponsive to any evidence provided, debunking it, like, you know, Bridget Macron is like, okay, no, she's on a man. | ||
| She's just chopped. | ||
| Like, that's just like what's going on here. | ||
| There's no deeper, there's no deeper conspiracy. | ||
| There's just people are unresponsive to information. | ||
| Scott Greer, I don't know if he coined the term, but he certainly popularized the clown world where the right-wing polemics has just turned into a spectacle. | ||
| How do you debate spectacle? | ||
| Because you have people that are intellectuals to some degree or just truth seekers, and they're up against people that thrive in spectacle. | ||
| They're up against people that seek to further cultivate it and create these bombastic narratives. | ||
| It's like, how do you argue with that? | ||
| I mean, because Americans especially are very receptive to the most entertaining of narratives. | ||
| That's why we produce the best movies. | ||
| Like, how can you debate that? | ||
| How is there any roundtable discussion when that's like there's total, there's no parody right now? | ||
| There's no common ground. | ||
| I mean, you can't really. | ||
| And this is one of the fatal flaws of democracy. | ||
| Democracy always devolves into this. | ||
| This is why every ancient thinker said this was the worst possible system, because ultimately, especially as you widen the franchise, right, you can have a limited democracy. | ||
| You could have a limited republic, as we would actually want to call it, where there's a certain set of well, you know, well-heeled, well-educated, thoughtful, resourceful people who come together and vote and make the decisions because they have involved themselves as responsible citizens and virtuous citizens inside the body politic. | ||
| But the wider you get the voting group, the less that aspect goes away, right? | ||
| And the more mass democracy you get, the more people who are just, you know, barely paying attention, you know, they don't have any time. | ||
| They don't have a leisure time. | ||
| Again, this is not to downgrade or denigrate people for this. | ||
| Like ultimately, you shouldn't spend your whole life obsessed with politics. | ||
| We should have a good enough regime where the average person doesn't need to vote four out of their hours of their day listening to a bunch of different podcasts, desperately hoping to sift through the truth. | ||
| Like that's not the way that life should be. | ||
| But when you open up the entire voting base to this, well, you're going to eventually run down to the lowest common denominator. | ||
| And anyone who's been in a group project or a public school or anything knows exactly how this works, right? | ||
| Like if you got two or three studious people working on the project, you're fine. | ||
| But if you get five, 10 people, you're going to get some people who don't care what's going on. | ||
| And just the quality level is going to slowly degrade. | ||
| And this is just what's going to keep happening in our scenario. | ||
| The more people who want to feed into this content, the harder it is to refute. | ||
| So I think there's still some utility to having discussions and debates, but you can't expect that to win over the masses at this point. | ||
| You have to get better at the game or you have to change the game. | ||
| Those are your two options. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, because we're seeing on the GOP, I mean, it's really math. | ||
| I mean, as the population gets bigger, information diversifies. | ||
| Everyone's in their own lane. | ||
| I mean, people will introduce me and I'm in politics and they'll introduce me to a commentator who has hundreds of thousands of followers and they're not even on my radar. | ||
| Like people are all within like these different silos of information. | ||
| And there's some value to that to a degree because, you know, there's new ideas being introduced to the zeitgeist. | ||
| And oftentimes some of these ideas are quite valuable and you can evaluate them and these sorts of things. | ||
| But, you know, going into 2024, Trump had to stitch together a coalition to get across the finish line. | ||
| Cause like I said, you know, everyone's in their own lane. | ||
| Everyone's diversified. | ||
| It's not like the 80s where pretty much everyone is on the same page, like for better or for worse. | ||
| And then now, as soon as one of these coalitions that was brought into the fray feels wrong, feels like their issue is not being addressed, they immediately splinter off. | ||
| And beyond that, with the coalition, we needed our rock stars to push things across the finish line. | ||
| A lot of these comedians, these broadcasters, as they've been dubbed, immediately soured on things as soon as it became, as soon as they started receiving pushback from presumably people in their circle. | ||
| Media Matters clipped me discussing the Tim Dill and Joe Rogan kind of sphere where as soon as the mass deportations went underway, they immediately soured and they said, oh, well, this is too far. | ||
| Like I didn't vote for it. | ||
| I didn't think you were sending back my nanny and my lawnscaper. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| And it's like, that's like you're pointing out with democracy, with the way this works. | ||
| It's just about getting to 50% and you can introduce all these different parties into your coalition. | ||
| If anybody's played the Victoria games, you know how hard it is to maintain coalitions because everybody in your coalition wants something different. | ||
| So I guess all this to say, how do we keep this coalition going together or stick together going into the midterms? | ||
| Because everything's splintering. | ||
| I think Tim's moment last night in many ways actually brought a bit of unity. | ||
| You saw people from Ben Shapiro to Nick Fuentes all saying like, thank you. | ||
| Someone finally said it. | ||
| But obviously these moments are short. | ||
| You can't stitch a coalition around being like anti-Candice, Candace Owens. | ||
| How do we move forward as a right wing broadly with so many different competing factions in the party? | ||
| Well, like I said, a real problem is you don't have hygiene for your epistemology because you don't have control of institutions. | ||
| There's no way to punish institutionally Candace Owens for what's going on here. | ||
| What are you going to cut her off from, right? | ||
| Like, ultimately, she's got her own fan base. | ||
| She's got her own audience coming in. | ||
| She's got her own network distribution. | ||
| She doesn't need the Daily Wire or Fox News or anything to build her brand. | ||
| And so she's very insulated from any kind of real blowback. | ||
| Now, I guess one upside would be as she gets more ridiculous, that's as large as she can get, right? | ||
| Like at some point, there is a market cap for what she's doing, and she's alienated herself from everyone else so much that they're not going to have her on. | ||
| She's going to have a hard time growing outside of her audience. | ||
| So there is like a natural barrier to the explosive nature of her growth, but it's still pretty large, right? | ||
| Now, remember, you know, one of the ways that Trump ultimately kind of solved the coalition problem is he actually ended debate, right? | ||
| He walked in and said, like, oh, you're a racist. | ||
| You're a sexist. | ||
| He's like, no, you're dumb. | ||
| You're ugly. | ||
| We're moving on. | ||
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| Like, he wasn't sitting there working out the nuances of policy. | ||
| He's like, no, it's America first. | ||
| We do this. | ||
| They go home. | ||
| We deport them. | ||
| The end, right? | ||
| Like he's not getting into the nuance. | ||
| They're very bad people. | ||
| They have to go home. | ||
| I'm not hearing any arguments about, you know, like that was the style that ultimately kind of allowed things to come back together. | ||
| I think Trump victories, I think Trump's strength would recenter the coalition. | ||
| I think one of the reasons we've kind of seen it drifting so badly is it's very clear that, especially after October 7th and all the focus on that, the Trump presidency sadly has been one that is more of a foreign policy presidency. | ||
| He's been trying to figure out peace in Ukraine and peace in Israel and working out all these deals. | ||
| And what people really wanted was domestic victories. | ||
| They wanted deportations. | ||
| They wanted to see left-wingers who had violated their rights and attacked the Trump administration go to jail for their crimes. | ||
| If Trump was winning those victories, I think the opportunity to splinter the coalition would be less. | ||
| I think more people would be loyal to those victories. | ||
| They would be energized by those victories, the momentum. | ||
| I mean, just think back to the beginning of the Trump presidency with signing all the executive orders, knocking all these victories out of the park. | ||
| There was none of this, right? | ||
| There was none of this push against what was going on. | ||
| It's only once things slowed down, it became clear that congressional Republicans were going to muck everything up, that we were going to see judges overturning all this stuff, and then just the kind of slowdown of the control. | ||
| That's what gave room, I think, for people to then doubt what was going on and try to cut their own peace out of the coalition and go their own way. | ||
| Now we see the neocons trying to get rid of JD Vance because they want to return and own the party. | ||
| Everyone knows that if Trump doesn't do something drastic, he's a lame duck, right? | ||
| If the Republicans move, lose the midterms, and then you go into another year where things aren't going well for Republicans and they have even less control over things, you're going to spiral into this like everyone's just going to feeding frenzy because they don't know what to do in a post-Trump Republican party. | ||
| I think the only thing that really brings the coalition back together is victory on the part of the Trump administration. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just smother any dissent and victory. | ||
| I mean, that's a very simple, simple solution. | ||
| I guess one more question I have for you. | ||
| I don't know if this puts you on the spot a little bit, but with the ramp up in violence we're seeing, obviously, against specifically the commentary class and our elected officials over the last few years and specifically in the last year, how do people in that sphere continue to operate? | ||
| I mean, obviously here at Timcast, we're having conversations on how we're going to move forward after this. | ||
| I mean, this was seriously a wake-up call and a very scary situation. | ||
| People around the sphere have sort of discussed and talked about the different threats they face and the drastic measures they have to go to counter that. | ||
| Obviously, our opponents on the left don't really have to deal with that. | ||
| They can hang out in Beverly Hills and it's not really a problem. | ||
| But what do you think the future is for the commentariat and the political class? | ||
| Do you think it's going to shake out a lot of good people who just are afraid of what could happen? | ||
| I mean, how do you see all of this playing out? | ||
| Is there an off-ramp? | ||
| I mean, what's going on here? | ||
| It certainly could. | ||
| It could easily push people out. | ||
| It could cow people, make them, you know, parrot less radical or less bold positions in hopes of staving off the worst of it, though I think that's a mistake because you can see it's really not the most radical people that are being targeted. | ||
| Tim is many things, but certainly not radical. | ||
| And so the fact that this is the way that things are going, I don't think stepping back your rhetoric is going to really help you here. | ||
| I mean, obviously, the real solution is the Trump administration needs to get very serious and very kinetic about its, as my friend John Doyle says, it's very cool. | ||
| It's very cool and very legal annihilation of the left. | ||
| That's the actual answer. | ||
| But since we can't seem to compel them to do that, though I will continue to push, the only answer is then people have to look to themselves. | ||
| Look, I'm not going anywhere. | ||
| You know, me and God are good. | ||
| When he calls my number, I'm going to a great place. | ||
| We're fine. | ||
| However, I've got family. | ||
| I've got friends. | ||
| I got people I love. | ||
| Those are the people that you worry about. | ||
| And I'm sure that's true for a lot of people, right? | ||
| And we shouldn't have to live this way. | ||
| This is not the way that ultimately, you know, any, you know, public figures are always taking some level of risk, right? | ||
| We've already, you know, some guy shot Ronald Reagan on behalf of Jody Foster, right? | ||
| It's not like the first time we've ever seen a political crazy, but obviously we're getting to a like widespread targeted terrorist left that is coming to dominate. | ||
| And really, you know, the answer is the Trump administration needs to take action. | ||
| And until then, the commentary is going to have to make its own personal decisions on the level of danger that they're comfortable with. | ||
| I think a lot of people honestly are brave enough to stay in the game, but some people are going to get pushed up. | ||
| This is going to be one of those sifting moments. | ||
| And when we get on the other side, that probably means that ultimately we will be stronger. | ||
| But we might have lost some people who just say, you know what, at the end of the day, I love my family and stuff more than I care about being in the limelight or trying to fight this battle. | ||
| And so I'm going to step away. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's so true. | ||
| And it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's getting hot. | ||
| It's getting, it's getting scary. | ||
| So with that, Oron, thank you very much for hopping on. | ||
| Where can people find you to get some more? | ||
| Sure, I'll be on Blaze TV. | ||
| And of course, my show is also on YouTube and Rumble and Odyssey. | ||
| And I'm posting on places like Gab and Twitter under Oren McIntyre. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Thank you so much, Oren. | ||
| We'll catch you next time. | ||
| Thanks again, man. | ||
| All righty, guys. | ||
| Well, that was the great Oron McIntyre. | ||
| A lot of people don't realize this. | ||
| I came, you know, still new to the game, and Oron was one of those guys that I listened to like every day. | ||
| So it's always so surreal to be able to chat with these guys and pick their brains on these issues because I don't know. | ||
| I feel like I'm an audience member here with Oron. | ||
| Like I'm getting to ask him some questions. | ||
| I'm like a super chatter IRL. | ||
| So super fun to be able to chat with him. | ||
| The circumstances of the conversation, not so fun. | ||
| It's getting very scary out there. | ||
| But with that, we will be back tonight with Timcast IRL at 8 p.m. | ||
| You know it. | ||
| Go check it out. | ||
| We'll have a great time tonight. | ||
| It's going to be a good show. | ||
| You can follow me on X and Instagram at RealTape Brown. | ||
| I'll be back tomorrow with the morning show, and we will see you all there. |
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