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Oct. 7, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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I'm I'm bringing you into the afternoon hour of our rumble lineup.
We got a great show for you today.
We got Alad Ilyahu, our very own Alad Ilyahu.
He is in the studio.
He will be hanging out today.
So we'll bring him in a little later because I don't know if you guys have seen.
He's been he's been all over with his uh coverage of the situation in the New York courthouse where ICE is literally just like basically XP farming.
They're they're hanging out right there.
They're grabbing the illegals uh right when they get out of the courthouse.
So it's it's been pretty insane to watch these videos.
It's pretty based actually, but uh we're we're gonna bring him, we're gonna bring him in, we're gonna have a chat with him and really break down the dynamics of what's going on there.
Besides that, we got some big stories.
We have President Trump saying he's gonna invoke the insurrection act if these governors keep holding up uh the feds from trying to do their jobs.
Very based.
We're gonna get into that.
We also had the White House uh issuing a memo like this morning about the shutdown.
How look, the federal workers might not get their back pay if you guys don't come to the negotiating table, if the Democrats don't come to the negotiating table.
So uh pretty hilarious the uh White House playing hardball.
Uh, we have a few more stories that we'll get to if we have time.
We have Pope Leo um, you know, being very woke.
I know this is very surprising.
The Pope being woke.
I know I can't believe it either.
Um, we have a story about a black college president plagiarizing and treating white employees like quote slaves.
That's revolver's words, not mine, but uh very interesting story.
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Uh it's from the man himself, President Trump.
This was uh yesterday afternoon, so we weren't able to get to it on the morning show, so we can cover it.
Um just listen here.
Here was here what he has to say.
This is from Right Angle News Network with the clip off of uh C-Span.
So take a listen.
donald j trump
Over a weekend.
What insurrection act?
unidentified
Under what conditions are terms would you?
donald j trump
Well, I'd do it if it was necessary so far it hasn't been necessary, but we have an insurrection act for a reason.
If I had to enact it, I'd I'd do that.
If people were being killed, killed and uh courts were holding us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up.
Sure, I do that.
I mean, I want to make sure that people aren't killed.
We have to make sure that our cities are safe.
tate brown
So, I mean, you can see here, look, he didn't just some people were freaking out and they're saying he's he's invoking it right now.
Get ready.
You know, if you're in the military, clean off, you know, get your shoes tied, whatever.
Not quite what's happening, but uh yeah, he's saying, look, if these Democrats, if they continue to um, if they continue to play these games um and and prevent the feds from doing what they need to do, then yeah, he'll invoke the uh the insurrection act.
Uh so we we have a write-up here from Reuters, um, kind of discussing the degree.
So I'll read here.
They they, you know, it's Reuters, so you're not gonna get, you know, it's not gonna be uh the most fair coverage on planet earth, but uh it they do a decent job here.
Trump's threat to invoke insurrection act escalates showdown with Democrat cities.
And we'll read here.
Uh Donald Trump's threat to invoke a federal uh anti-insurrection law to expand his deployment of military personnel to U.S. cities has intensified the legal battle between the president and democratic led cities, as hundreds of National Guard troops from Texas on Tuesday prepared to patrol the streets of Chicago.
Trump told reporters on Monday that he would consider utilizing the insurrection act, a law enacted more than two centuries ago to sidestep any court rulings restricting his orders to send guard troops into cities over the objections of local and state officials.
Quote, we have an it uh we have an insurrection act for a reason.
If people were being killed and courts were holding us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up, sure, I'd do that.
That was from President Trump, as you just saw.
The law which gives the president authority to deploy the military to quell unrest in an emergency, has typically been used only in extreme cases as almost always at the invitation of state governors.
The act was last invoked by President George H. W. Bush during the Los Angeles riots of 1992.
Um using the act would represent a significant escalation of Trump's campaign to deploy the military to the streets of democratic cities and an extraordinary assertion of presidential power last week in a sp this this was fantastic.
Last week in a speech to top two military commanders, Trump suggested using U.S. cities as quote training grounds for the armed forces.
Which honestly, if you've been to uh if you've really just seen the videos of Portland, it's not a bad idea.
I think it does re resemble a Kabul in many ways.
Um Trump has ordered guard troops sent to Chicago, the third largest U.S. city in Portland, Oregon, following his earlier deployments to Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. in each case.
He has done so despite staunch opposition from Democratic mayors and governors who say Trump's claims of lawlessness and violence do not reflect reality.
So look, this is what they say here.
Chicago and Portland protests over Trump's immigration policies have been largely peaceful.
While both cities have seen sharp declines in violent crime so far this year.
So this is like as soon as the spotlight is sh shown onto the insanity happening in these cities, they start spinning up these these talking points of oh, it's been largely peaceful.
I mean, I don't know if you've seen the videos out of Portland.
They've they beat up Nick Sorter, they tried to they they assaulted Nick Sorter this weekend.
And uh and earlier that earlier that that week he had been arrested.
So the police clearly aren't uh are not enforcing the peace um on these on these streets, and they're if anything, arresting conservative journalists for like defending themselves, and then yeah, and then he gets assaulted, these sorts of things.
Far from peaceful.
If you've seen the videos uh outside, we we had James Klug, um, we had a pre pre-recorded interview that went up on uh on the on the Culture War YouTube channel uh yesterday afternoon.
He was kind of discussing the situation outside of the uh the federal building in Portland, where you just have people just outside protesting uh almost all hours of the day, and it's nonstop, and it's like, well, I mean, they you see the videos, Nick Shirley's video in Minneapolis, where when the feds come into town to conduct an operation, people start shoving officers and they start throwing stuff, they start pelting the vans with with uh rocks and and trash and and whatnot.
And these people just feel completely emboldened.
They feel emboldened by uh the fact that these local police departments won't do anything about it.
Because that's kind of the that's kind of what's going on here.
This is what the tension is this is why Trump is having to send these federal agents in, is because the local police just aren't doing their jobs.
They're not protecting these federal agents in these in these federal buildings.
And if anything, in Portland, what we saw was when the feds just tried to uh protect the building where they boarded up the windows, uh, they got issued a code violation by the city of Portland.
So it's like these cities are an open.
We discussed it on the show yesterday, but it's worth repeating.
Uh, these cities are an open rebellion against the federal government.
And so this isn't really there's all this talk over national divorce, right?
And you know, Marjorie Taylor Green uh referenced this somewhat recently.
But that's not really what's going on here.
This isn't states necessarily going against each other.
This is a few states questioning the authority or not questioning, subverting the uh the will of the federal government.
So I don't know if national divorce is really what's going on.
I think this is more of a um of an institutional crisis, right?
This is a this is a crisis of legitimacy.
That's what's going on here.
And um, yeah, the Portland police just refusing to protect these federal agents in any way.
Um, yeah, that's that's that's just that's that's open rebellion against the United States government and and the popularly elected president Trump.
Um so yeah, sorry.
Sorry, guys, you don't want to play ball national guards coming in.
And then when they issue these these lawsuits and they gum up the court system to prevent the uh the you know, the f the National Guard from deploying, look, we're gonna have to invoke the insurrection act.
I mean, what else is this?
This is an insurrection.
This is a state government saying we are no longer subservient to the will of the federal government.
That's an insurrection.
That that's what that is.
You're you are you are undermining the the uh the you're undermining the policy of the federal government who is simply trying to conduct the remember, this is all over ice.
This is what this is all over.
This is all over.
This is all over uh the sorry, we got pr producer surge in the house.
He just fli showed showed me a message.
We're getting uh getting a lot situation for city ready.
But anyway, this is all over ice.
This is all over us trying to get illegal immigrants out of the country, uh, which is hilarious.
Um look, I just gonna show something real quick to you guys.
Um is this polling here.
This is from Harvard uh via Brian York.
Deporting immigrants who are here illegally and have committed crimes is by all accounts the second most popular issue in the country.
78% support.
69% of Democrats support this.
They're they're in support of this policy.
Um and the fourth most popular was closing the border with added security and policies that discourage illegal crossings.
So the the actual policy that Trump's pursuing here is very is very popular within the United States.
This is a very popular, very popular policy.
Um look, ICE is how you get it done.
This was the thing.
This is what this is what I knew.
This is what I anticipated happening was everyone says that they want mass deportations.
Everyone says that they would like to see illegal criminals deported.
And beyond that, people say, I would like to see my Medicaid, my or my uh my health care get cheaper.
I would like to see housing get cheaper.
I would like to see food costs go down.
And that comes in tandem with getting people out of the country that are occupying space that shouldn't be in the country that are here illegally.
Um, but then as soon as ICE starts doing what they have to do, which is sometimes you got to drag someone out of a car.
It happens, not everyone's gonna self-deport.
A lot of people have self-deported, and that is not being discussed as much.
Over a million.
But yeah, ICE has to get down and dirty sometimes.
Like it's it sucks.
I mean, I don't want to see it.
I mean, I I know like people kind of do uh a routine where they're like, I voted for this, and it is kind of true.
It is, but like, you know, it's not I mean it's not optimal.
Like I think we would all prefer for them all just to leave overnight, you know, on the next flight out.
That's certainly preferable.
But yeah, ice has to get down and dirty sometimes.
And I knew, I knew as soon as they started doing this that a lot of people that said they wanted uh illegals out that said they wanted cheaper housing that said they wanted this, they're they would start to get a little queasy.
They wouldn't like to see that.
Because we don't have to be mean about it.
Because people, quite frankly, Americans and broadly Westerners Don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done to fix these issues.
That's that's just the reality of the situation.
People say they want one thing, but then as soon as you have to implement the policies and use the institutions, wield the power of the institutions that you have to use to get these, you know, get this across the finish line, people get queasy, they get uncomfortable.
Because people, I think, especially people on the right, just aren't comfortable with winning.
They don't they don't understand how to win.
And uh, yeah, like you gotta get a little you gotta get a little mean sometimes.
It's just the reality of the situation.
So um, yeah, so when you see uh, you know, when you see an ice, you know, ice thing, like uh we had right here.
This is what we'll talk about later from a lot ice containing illegals right there.
What country are you from?
Oh, and a lot of these, a lot of these brocasters, they don't like to see it.
Um, I should have had the article in the stack.
See, this is this is what I mean.
That's really like rookie rookie, uh, whatever.
But uh a lot of these brocasters are flipping out.
Tim Dylan uh kind of rather infamously, um, he's been railing.
I I like Tim Dylan, I like his show a lot.
I think he's I think he's a genius, I think he's one of the funniest, if not the funniest um comedian in the game right now, but he'll spend like at the last couple of shows, he'll spend a lot a large amount of time really railing on on ICE's operations.
He's he's very concerned, he's calling it barbaric, he's saying this isn't who we are.
Um I'm like, what did you uh my question is, and it's not even a mean question.
It's just like what did you think this was gonna look like?
Did you really think that people who are grisen, you know, grizzled uh criminals or even people that are here legally, they've already they were really willing to violate the law.
Do you think they weren't gonna leave without a fight?
Is that what you thought?
Did you think they were just gonna like peacefully self-deport?
And how do you expect ICE to get these people out?
You you know, you're gonna have to put a hand on them.
I mean, it's it is what it is.
This is this is how law enforcement has always worked.
You think do you think the police department when they're when they're stopping crime, do you think every um do you think every interaction is peaceful?
No, they have to get down and dirty sometimes.
It's very unfortunate.
I I wish it wasn't that way, but it's just the reality of the situation.
So yeah, people get very queasy over these things, and then they and you know, it's whatever.
But um, yeah, you this is this is this is how it works.
This is how ICE has to conduct their affairs.
So again, really popular.
It's a really popular policy to deport them all.
And uh I yeah, ICE, like just do what you gotta do, really.
Sorry, that's it's that simple.
But um, yeah, these people, these democra these uh Antifa people, that's what this all started over.
This all started over ICE conducting affairs.
So uh if you ever get a little queasy over ice uh and ice video, remember that um uh that's who you're up against is these Antifa people.
Those are the people that really hate ICE as uh these uh freaks out in Portland.
So uh with that, we'll move on to the next story, right?
We'll we'll get to the next story.
This one is really funny.
This is kind of a quick one.
This is from Axios Scoop White House memo says furloughed federal workers aren't entitled to back pay.
So this is really funny.
This is like kind of um, this is a very very politico article, uh early political situation to happen, but it's so funny.
Um, I'm really I'm itching my nose a lot right now.
It's a very I have a very itchy nose.
My skin's kind of I'm not there's no bugger sugar involved.
Don't worry.
I'm I'm I'm off the I'm off the Dunkin' ice coffee right now, hence the energy.
Um, but my nose is very itchy, and I'm very self-conscious that people are gonna think that uh, you know, it's like hashtag Miami Nights or something.
That's not what's going on.
I have an itchy nose.
That's it.
But uh, we have this article from Axios.
Furloughed federal workers aren't guaranteed compensation for their forced time off during the government shutdown, according to a draft memo described to Axios by three sources.
Um we'll we'll read their, we'll read their their write-up here.
If the White House acts on that legal analysis, it would dramatically escalate President Trump's pressure on Senate Democrats to end the weak old shutdown by denying back pay to as many as 750,000 federal workers after the shutdown.
Trump wants the Democrats to back a continuing resolution to fund the government with no strings about healthcare subsidies attached.
Um quote, this would not have happened if Democrats voted for the clean CR, a senior administration official said.
So this is really this this whole government shutdown is really funny.
A, because no one cares.
I don't know the past government shutdowns, like the what was it, 2019 where they had the the last one at the near the end of the Trump and first Trump term?
Um it was like a big deal, like everyone was reporting on it, everyone was watching the news.
There was like so much drama involved.
Like it was really a big deal.
I remember this.
I remember this vividly.
This government shutdown kind of just snuck up.
I mean, I know a lot of uh I know a lot of admin staffers personally, and even they like it was the day of they realized that oh, this can this can happen.
Uh like no one saw it coming, and then it happened, and no one really cared.
Like on Timcast IRL, last week we were in Arizona, the government shut down, and that was like the third story of the day.
Because it's like there's so much going on.
Do we really care about a government shutdown?
And then it's even funnier because that this is just a total self-owned from the Democrats, because this whole thing was over uh the healthcare subsidies and and the C the CR.
And uh they just really were upset about it by and shut the government down.
And they thought this was like Hakeem Jeffries was really gonna get his like big moment here where he's like standing up to resisting fascism or whatever.
And no one cares, no one cares.
And then the Trump, the Trump White House this morning just leaks this uh leaks this memo saying, like, hey, by the way, it would be a real shame if that back pay for the federal workers just like went away if that didn't happen.
Um, so it's just maximum pressure on the Democrats to come to uh come to a deal here.
And it's just so funny, Trump, Trump toying with these because these Democrats, they're just they're not used to dealing with master, master level trolling, like we have with the second term Trump admin.
Maybe they're maybe this kind of antics would have worked with the first first-term Trump admin, but um, second term is just a different, different animal.
Um just it's just hilarious.
This is just a really funny move by the Trump admin.
So yeah, the Democrats, it's really they can just end this shutdown whenever they want.
They just have to like agree that yeah, illegals can't get like they don't have the right to taxpayer um taxpayer health care subsidies.
Like, sorry, that's that's really that's legitimately what this is over.
That's legitimately what this is over, which is why it's so funny.
Um yeah, I don't think the Republicans and and the and the Trump administration are really in any hurry to uh bend over backwards to give the Democrats what they want here.
Because um, I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of commentary that this actually gives the uh Trump admin a chance to clean house with in a lot of these federal agencies and and and offload a lot of federal workers that probably shouldn't be there.
So there this is really a it's a whatever situation for the Republicans, it's the Democrats that are kind of have the kind of have the pressure, and yeah, this is this is the purpose of why the White House would drop this this memo here is to say, like, hey, by the way, we could just like also not backpay these workers, they'll be pissed at you guys because like right now the narrative is I think the narrative that everyone uh is accepting is that this is the Democrats doing.
Um, and it is uh so yeah, hilarious.
Um so we'll get to the next story here.
We'll we'll we'll we'll keep we'll keep rolling here.
But that was a really funny, really funny story.
I I showed you this video from a lot who will be in here shortly.
Um about the uh the this is this is really just kind of adding to the conversation we were having earlier about how people say they want one thing, but um they go a different direction they as soon as we actually try to implement these policies, they get queasy.
Um, I wanted to highlight this.
This is kind of epitomizing um epitomizing what's wrong with uh what's wrong with the cognitive dissonance of liberals of the liberal world order that has kind of put us in this mess in the first place.
So this is a tweet from Pope Leo, and like I don't want to like sit here and just dunk on the Pope all day long because he didn't write these tweets.
I mean, this dude he he did have a Twitter and he did like he was like vaguely, I think he retweeted something that was vaguely critical of Trump.
Um, like way back when I don't know, I don't know what the politics of this guy is.
He's probably just a normal like liberal boomer liberal, if I had to guess.
He's from Chicago.
Um, he has like a Republican brother, lives in Florida, apparently.
I I don't know.
I mean, I'm a I'm a I'm a Presbyterian, so like I don't even really uh there's I don't have much stake in the Pope beyond like I'm I would hope that the Pope would be conservative because he kind of informs the politics of a lot of Catholics there.
There are a lot of Catholics.
Um, but he tweeted this again, may or may not have been him, who knows?
It could just be like some I don't know, I don't know.
But no one should be forced to flee nor exploited or mistreated because of their situation as foreigners or people in need, human dignity must always come first.
Of course, he's this is a pot shot at the Trump administration.
Of course, that's what this is.
I mean, if you remember Pope Francis, the previous Pope, where he was like, Oh, we should be building bridges, not walls.
Um, but then we can see here everyone's just asking Grok some basic questions.
Hey, Grok, who can live in the Vatican City?
The Vatican City residency is granted mainly to those with official roles, like clergy, diplomats, Swiss guard, and their families living there.
Citizenship is based on appointment to the Holy See service and typically ends when the role does.
It is not open to general immigration or birthright.
Citizenship population is around 800 to a thousand, all Catholic.
Um, so again, you know, he's he's he's subtweeting Trump here.
That's what's going on.
There's there's no there's no ambiguity here.
Um, so right, he's he's saying Trump should open the borders and like let the you know dredges of the world just flood under the country.
That's that's what he's saying.
He's just saying, yeah, Biden's immigration policy is consistent with what what his whatever his like Lib Tard Catholic theology is.
And then boom, he follows that up.
These tweets are literally I I I picked them out, but he literally tweeted this right after the uh tweet where he's like guilt tripping Trump.
He says, I express my concern about the rise of anti-Semitic hatred in the world, as unfortunately we saw with the terrorist attack in Manchester a few days ago.
So he literally like he literally put a tweet out saying, Oh, you know, we should have mass migration, everyone everyone should be allowed in the country.
This is so sad.
And then he follows it up with uh a tweet about the anti-Semitic hatred.
And who do you think's bringing anti-Semitism to Manchester?
You think the English?
You think it's the native English?
Um, well, if you saw the the the perpetrator of the terrorist attack in Manchester, his name was literally Jihad.
I'm not making this up.
I should have put this in the stack.
His name was Jihad.
So, like for starters, if you're concerned about anti-Semitic hatred, you should probably start with just not letting people into the country name jihad.
But um, in general, this this prescription right here, with no one should be forced to flee, no one should be mistreated as a foreigner.
That leads to this.
That leads to anti-Semitic hatred, that leads to terrorist attacks in Manchester because it looks like a bazaar.
If you've been to the UK, I've been to the UK quite recently.
You go to these cities there, it looks like a total bizarre.
It's crazy.
They're doing call to prayers left and right.
I mean, it's looking like Dearborn over there.
It's crazy.
So um, it gets it gets worse.
This was from Captive Dreamer.
I'm a lot's a big fan of his.
Uh, the Pope is promoting anti-Western policies of mass third world migration.
Let's stop mincing our words here.
He's an enemy of the West and our people.
It's pretty poignant language, but when you read the this is from the United States Conference of Catholic bishops, this is this is a direct quote from the website.
Pope Leo called for a new form of missionary cooperation that taps into lively faiths of many migrants and refugees.
Quote, and the communities of ancient Christian traditions, such as those of the West, he said, the presence of many brothers and sisters from the world's south should be welcomed as opportunity through an exchange that renews the face of the church and sustains a Christianity that is more open, more alive, and more dynamic.
Oh man, this is so great.
This is so exciting.
All these migrants that are coming here, it's actually an opportunity to renew the face of the church and sustain Christianity.
Unfortunately, that results in this.
Unfortunately, all that actually results in is you just having to put tweets out like this nonstop.
Like constantly, constantly condemning anti-Semitic terrorist attacks.
That's the result.
Terrorist attacks, broadly speaking.
That's the result of the uh renewing the face of the church or whatever.
Um, just really just sinister, sinister stuff here.
Um, and this is the problem.
This is this is at every institution, and this is not me picking on the Catholic church.
This is they're one of many institutions um across the West.
And uh, and don't get me wrong, this is Protestant churches too.
This is the Episcopals, this is the Presbyterian Church, PC USA.
Like a lot of these institutions have just been completely corrupted by in some cases leftism, like okay, the Episcopal Church is full-blown leftist, but like with the Catholic Church with a lot of these institutions, it's just like just like gay liberal, like gay gayotry.
Like, it's just gay.
That's the only way to really put it.
Like, I I can't get I can't assign any like fancy adjectives.
It's just gay.
That's all it really is.
That's all there's really going on here.
Like, this isn't hardcore leftism, renewing the face of the church and sustaining it's just it's just gay.
That's like that's all it is.
It's just it just sucks.
That's that's I don't have much more complex, uh, complex you know, adjectives to put you know to assign to it.
But um anyway, we had a few more stories here, but I I'll wrap up this um soft.
Yeah.
Surge says soft.
It's just soft, it's soft as Charmin.
It's just not what we need right now.
You know, the Pope used to call for crusades.
Do you guys know this?
We used to live in a proper Christendom.
The Pope used to call for crusades.
He used to just say like, hey, you know, the whole Middle East should just be Christian.
You know, we should just go over there.
Like we should the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, like we should just like that should be ours, you know, the holy sites, these sorts of things.
That should just be ours.
You know, the Pope used to say these sorts of things.
And now he's like, we should bring all those people here and like flood Europe with migrants and like just hope for the best and hope it doesn't result in me having to tweet more condemnations of terrorist attacks.
Um but that's all this results in.
The Pope is it just sucks.
And that's every institution.
I it just it's it's bad, man.
It's just bad.
Uh the this crap means that I had a few articles here.
I mean, like uh disc going further on the H1B situation.
We can discuss tomorrow.
I'll bring it up tomorrow.
But um we're we have like FedEx.
They got taken over.
They their new CEO is an Indian guy, and then the entire E-suite got replaced with Indian.
So now the entire E-suite has just like Indian people, and it's you know, whatever, but the problem is they like hire along ethnic lines.
So now you have all these H1Bs and the entire city of Memphis is being all the uh the suburbs are being changed, they're becoming very Indian because of this takeover.
So it's I'm I'm picking on the Catholic Church, but it's like even the place like FedEx, like they just ship stuff all day.
And even they are promoting this m this migration, they're promoting this this um I I'll use the words from the United States Conference of Catholic bishops, renewal of the face.
They want to renew the face of America.
And that just looks like unfortunately third world chain migration.
So um with that, I'll let Surge cook here.
I don't know, Serge, what do we have to do here?
We have this is the first, this is a this is a first.
I want to emphasize this is a first in the history of the morning noon live show.
We have an in-person interview.
This is really amazing.
We have our very own a lot, Ilyahoo.
He is here a lot.
How are you doing?
elad eliahu
I'm doing well.
What is it afternoon now?
Good afternoon, everybody.
Thanks for tuning in to the afternoon live show.
It's an honor to break the glass ceiling of being the first.
You are the first live guest here.
tate brown
Yeah, so the reason I wanted to bring you in, we have these insane videos you've been posting.
So uh this is I I'll play the videos.
I'll play a few of these first, and then we can like break these down further.
So um, this is this was from this was from you.
Masked ice agents grab onto and detain illegal immigrant as she leaves an immigration court.
so i can just play this video here a little bit And these are Ice agents flanking her with the masks.
We have that.
Oh, we had another one here.
elad eliahu
uh this is I don't speak Spanish, but I think they're saying let go of the girl, let go of the girl.
Suéter, suéter la niña.
unidentified
This is when a family is resisting.
This is when a family is resisting.
elad eliahu
understanding of what's going on here a little bit.
So first and foremost, my
unidentified
I'm going to go to the next one.
So first and foremost, my I'm going to go to the next one.
And then I'm going to go to the next one.
elad eliahu
also a ton of activists there and photographers acting as activists trying to dox these agents.
So it's it's very tense scenes outside of these courts.
Um it's relatively few people actually being detained there, despite that, we still get these very dramatic scenes, and they're happening um, you know, mostly uh in courts in California and courts here in New York City where the immigration courts have the most traffic.
Critics of this would say that this will discourage people from showing up to their court hearings if they know or think that they will ultimately be detained as a result of going.
So um things are getting a bit tense.
These are dramatic scenes.
These this is the Trump administration fulfilling the promise of trying to get to these highlights.
tate brown
No, yeah, there's a lot to cut.
So I guess my first question would be how how often are we seeing Democrat activists come in here, impose their will, try to cause a scene?
elad eliahu
So um, let's scroll through a few more videos actually, because in some other videos, you'll actually be able to see the so called okay.
They're first so called court observers, these are people who have the legal right to observe courts and and sit in the courts and see what's going on.
But after oftentimes, these are masked agitators who protest outside of the building and then just end up coming in.
They're there to try to obstruct and Get in the way.
There's usually like six to twenty, depending on the courtroom, but the activists aren't able to do much while literally in the building because they will be arrested.
I want to see every week or every other week, you'll see Brad Lander or Dan Goldman.
Brad Lander is the New York City Comptroller.
Brad Land, um, Dan Goldman is the congressman of this district.
Jamani Williams is um, I think he's the public advocate.
And you see these guys coming here frequently and trying to access the 10th floor.
These arrests are happening on the 12th floor.
Um, and they're the processing facility is on the 10th floor.
Many Democrats criticize the alleged conditions that are being that they're the people are being held in there.
So every other week you are seeing protests of some sort, uh whether inside or visits from politicians inside, or just uh a complete mess of a scene from photographers and so-called court observers or activists, another name.
tate brown
So yeah, I mean, because so I mean, you're obviously there.
elad eliahu
How thick is at least 10 to 20.
If you want to scroll up to uh well, if if you go up or down, you could really tell that there's five to twenty um of these very partisan journalists who are constantly trying to uh be extremely sympathetic to these people while they're being detained.
And I and I will say, I mean, these are extremely dramatic scenes of people being grabbed, and and it's almost always unbeknownst to them.
They're they're not prepared for the situation going in.
Also, you know, many people on the left say of the President Trump administration's immigration policy that cruelty is the point.
Most of the people who show up to their court proceedings aren't being taken away, but in the hallways, that you'll see dozens of these cops kind of standing over people waiting outside of the courtrooms as they're going from courtroom to courtroom.
So people are also saying there's an intimidation factor at play here.
But you think.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, this this kind of room, I think the um the uh sorry, I was looking at chat.
They were saying that they're saying apparently audio is was there was an audio issue on the split screen.
unidentified
Yeah, sorry guys.
I only showed up here halfway through the beginning of the show.
elad eliahu
So well, you don't hear me or the video.
unidentified
It's my fault, yeah.
I apologize.
tate brown
No, I think we're I think we're good.
I mean, look, we still have 20 minutes, 20 something minutes.
elad eliahu
So I just repeat everything I said.
tate brown
Yeah, we we definitely hit on it.
I mean, so I mean, like, I I guess you could walk again through like the logistics of of specifically how these agents ended up in these courthouses in the first place.
elad eliahu
If there's no audio, let's just let's just rewind and do the whole thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
elad eliahu
I mean is that was that the okay, so let's go through the whole thing again.
Um there's a nice pitch I had there.
It was a nice elevator pitch.
Okay, so uh my name's Alad Eliyahu, uh, I'm a White House correspondent here at Timcast.
On my off time, I cover immigration and the Trump administration's new uh immigration initiatives and how they play out uh around the country.
So they've recently been trying to obviously up their numbers and the President Trump administr Are we Gucci?
Um so part of the new initiatives of trying to increase their numbers have been DHS and ICE agents going to different immigration courthouses around the country.
Um, mainly in New York City and California is where they have the highest numbers, and they are waiting outside of courtrooms of court proceedings for illegal immigrants, and oftentimes they are taking them um before their uh proceedings have fully finished because they are eligible for so-called expedited removals.
So the administration and DHS is prior prioritizing those who came here in the past two years or those who have a criminal record, and then after their court hearings, they are grabbing them, and then you'll see many of these dramatic scenes outside of the courtrooms going on.
Um and despite these very dramatic scenes uh that I film while at these courthouses, only five to ten immigrant illegal immigrants are being detained per day um at at these different uh courthouses.
So you're seeing that, and and actually this video, why is this important right now?
This making national news because this video in particular is of a man who is actually separated from his wife who chose to resist arrest with him and his family.
So they all chose to grab each other.
The f the agents were forced to forcibly remove them from one another.
And then if we want to scroll down to the next clip, um DHS agents, um, you know, while being physically agitated by the woman uh also who is an illegal immigrant who was frustrated with her husband being taken away.
Um this DHS agent reacted to him being grabbed and shoved this woman to the ground.
This got another this got a lot of pushback initially.
Um I believe the speak spokesperson for DHS, I believe her name is Trisha McLaughlin.
I'm sorry if I'm butchering that.
She said something along the lines of this being unbecoming of ICE agents.
Despite that, um, he is actually back on duty.
So 26 Federal Plaza, where these ICE agents are hanging outside of these immigration courts and doing these arrests has increasingly become a flash point.
Um Democrats and activists are often going there to protest what they see as poor treatment of um people going through the court process, um, poor treatment of people in the processing facility on another floor where they take them to prepare them to be taken to a detention facility to ultimately be deported from.
And uh so that's why you know we're seeing a lot more of these scenes out of these courtrooms.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, so for my perspective, I was going through it earlier.
I was I was I was showing some of the the the polling as how deporting illegal immigrants and illegal criminals is extremely popular, even with Democrats.
This is a very popular position.
So going into going into the election, you had the the brocasters, I think is what you would call them.
Um that's like your your Rogans, your Tim Dillons, your Theo Vaughn's, you know, they were they were behind Trump, they were supporting Trump, these sorts of things.
And then as soon as videos like this started coming out, um, and a lot of them were were your videos, uh, everyone just soured really quickly, and they were like, Oh, but this is so mean, these sorts of things.
I mean, how else is ICE from my perspective, I'm sitting here, I'm like, how else is ICE supposed to conduct these operations, especially when they're not getting any support from these blue state and blue city governments.
elad eliahu
Totally.
And there's a few things at play here.
So these are some of the more dramatic scenes.
Most of the detainments and arrests don't look like this.
If we wanted to scroll through some of the others, uh, most of the them don't look like this.
But it's the power of video.
It's it's very potent.
The power of um capturing live arrests.
We could be sympathetic to criminals if we see, you know, how they're treated uh after they're arrested.
So this is ultimately, I think the safest and most reasonable way to go about it, oftentimes, because if they they've um said, I believe Todd Lyons has said that if they're not going to get them at these courthouses, or I believe it wasn't, it wasn't Todd Lyons, it was um the Border Czar, um Tim Tom Homan, who said that if they're not gonna get them at the courts uh courthouses in an orderly way, they're going to be forced to go into the neighborhoods.
If they're not able to go after them in the jails, then they're gonna have to be going through the neighborhoods and then really break neighborhood trust with law enforcement, which would lead to a more detrimental situation.
tate brown
Has I mean you've been covering this for a while now?
Had had things ramped up after the big beautiful bills passing.
I mean, have we seen a thicker presence of federal agents?
elad eliahu
So the number of agents there, frankly, actually hasn't increased um since the passing of the big beautiful bill.
The number of detainments at these immigration courts has actually gone down since the President Trump administration has begun.
And this is because as they began taking more and more people out from these courthouses, more people have been suing and they're caught up in a lot of litigation.
Also, there's issues with people um with the processing facility um allegedly not having enough room to house all the people that they're being detaining.
So between that and a couple of other factors, they've definitely been decreasing the numbers of daily detainments, at least outside of the courthouses that I've witnessed.
tate brown
Is it evident because I love ICE, I'm I'm I'm a big ICE backer, there's no question about it.
But there is something to be said of they've uh they've had an influx of agents, a lot of them not coming from law enforcement backgrounds in some cases.
So there's been accusations that some of these arrests have been sloppy.
I mean, obviously the guy like hit sticking the lady um was dramatic, and you know, a lot of people are saying, okay, you know, maybe I don't know.
I don't know, that's neither here nor there.
Have you seen this do these ICE agents feel uh did they do you see a lot of sloppiness uh in a lot of instances?
elad eliahu
I'm surprised that the lack of sloppiness.
Yeah, the person who was actually shoved the woman to the ground was a supervisor and was hired way before anything, any of these recent big beautiful bill or or the signing bonus or what have you.
That guy wasn't getting in any of that.
This this gentleman in the plaid shirt um who's now back on duty.
No, no, the new guys have been surprisingly orderly.
Okay, all of the photographers are desperate to try to catch a story to try to slander ice.
All the photographers there are trying to catch the most dramatic moments and whatnot.
And I mean, these scenes do look very dramatic, but no, um, for by and large part, things are extremely orderly.
They're not beating up or uh I don't know, they're not hanging, they're not killing, they're not assaulting um any of the people who are there detaining.
If you leave in an orderly way, they'll escort you gently, frankly, in my in my estimation.
Um if you go scroll down a little bit more.
Most arrests, if you could keep going, those are some of the protests outside.
This is the very dramatic arrest, but most of the arrests are actually extremely ordered.
Keep going.
Go like three or so post down if you could please.
Like many look like that one.
Something like this.
So the guy will ask for his court papers.
The agent will have a packet in his hand where it actually has all the information of the illegal migrant.
They'll make sure it's the correct person, and then they'll just orderly escort them down the hall.
Sometimes I'll try to ask them what country they're from.
They usually don't tell me which, either because they're embarrassed.
What country are you from?
Or don't speak English.
tate brown
In such cases.
elad eliahu
So yeah, but there's been a lot of consternation from the left over this because again, they think this discourages people from showing up to court.
They're uneasy with these agents being masked.
I believe Tim was also uneasy with this these agents being masked.
Some agents also used to obscure their um ice badges until like the last moment, which could be a concern for some people.
But I I believe this is actually by and large part the most orderly way to go about this.
Here's another example though I'm talking about.
This really demonstrates what's going on there.
These are hallways around courtrooms.
Most of the people who go to their court hearings aren't being detained.
But there is this sense of, you know, this um illegal migrant, illegal um migrant woman with their uh presumably American child walking down these hallways with ice agents just lining the halls at a sort of into like masked agents and there is a sort of unease.
I I will say I don't um I I talked to Todd Lyons about this, the acting director of ICE.
He said, you know, he doesn't like it, but he doesn't want to encourage, you know, things that could promote violence against his agents.
And I understand that, but these guys are all armed and you know, you're getting a nice signing bonus.
And this isn't an easy job, but it's an important job.
And I don't want people in law enforcement to get attacked, but uh I I think there is this uneasiness of not being able to, you know, identify.
I don't want people masked up.
I didn't like it when Antifa masked up.
I don't like it when the the left masks up.
And um I I understand that the consequences will be some of these ICE agents getting doxxed, but guess what?
There are also just a handful of um ice agents who don't wear the masks and have dealt with the consequences and they've been fine.
So for example, this short little girl, uh surge in the video before this.
That that one, yeah, you see this the short little woman, she's not wearing a mask.
If you want to scroll to the beginning of this, yeah, that she that woman is, I believe, also a supervisor.
She's not wearing a mask.
You know, and then the guy who shoved the other lady, you know, he wasn't wearing a mask ultimately.
And I think you lose trust.
And it's it's very bad optically.
Yeah, well, I mean, and I understand the need to protect our agents, but look, you're strapped in New York City.
Nobody in New York City is allowed to have a gun.
All of these guys are are still armed.
tate brown
Well, I think the problem is like, look, if we're trying to we we need mass deportations.
There's tens of millions, uh upwards of 30, 40 million people, to some estimates of legal immigrants in the country.
And it's like I'm not so concerned about the trust of the institutions.
I just need them to conduct their job as efficiently as possible.
And if they're getting docs and there's people showing up to their houses and giving a hard time, that impedes the operation, the mass deportation operation.
So it's like I'm willing in the short term to make people feel a little uneasy if if what the what you know, what we're trying to do is get millions of millions of legal immigrants out.
I'm I'm okay with I'm okay with them doing these sorts of things.
And it's like if you don't want a mask, that's great.
If you want the smoke, but it's like, look, I don't I don't need these guys to be thought leaders.
I don't need these guys to be, you know, you know, brave and putting their face out there.
I need them to get the job done, right?
I need them to get illegals out of the country.
So I I I mean, I don't need I don't need to test them.
I don't need yeah, I don't need them to be like I said, I don't need them to be thought leaders.
I just need them to and I don't care if I don't I really don't care if it makes people feel uneasy.
If you're here illegally, you should feel uneasy no matter what, because you're here illegally, you're breaking the law.
elad eliahu
Totally.
I ultimately think it's counterproductive though, because if it's DHS and ICE agents' goal to try to deport as many people possible, then they need to stay popular and uh written large among among the populace and politicians while they do so, or they won't be able to fulfill that goal.
So I think this is a small I don't I don't think I think most ice agents would be fined if they were unmasked.
As I said, they're already a handful of agents who chose not to wear the mask.
I've spoken to agents both who do and don't wear masks, and one person told me, you know, he'd be popular if I got I'd be popular if I got docs in my neighborhood.
Like they they all appreciate agents there, but I I do think that it does give people an easy way to sort of slander them.
If you're not proud of your work, why are you wearing like if you're proud of your work, why are you hiding your face?
I think all the arguments that people use against um Antifa in the far left hiding their face really does also apply here for law enforcement.
tate brown
Well, I think I think at this point, so your first point about keeping you know popularity up of like keeping uh you know public opinion of ICE popular.
I I think at this point everyone that has an opinion on ICE has you know, they've they've they've they've come to a conclusion whether they like them or not.
I don't think there's anybody that's like on the fence about ICE.
So I don't really know if there's much more that ICE could do to really, you know, win over new supporters, I guess is uh No, I will say no.
elad eliahu
I I mean I think they could lose supporters over this.
I think there's uh a percent of people, maybe small, maybe in the teens, maybe in the 10 to 20 percent of people who support law enforcement, but do genuinely feel uncomfortable with masked law enforcement doing their job.
And I'll give you an example.
Our boss, Tim Poole, he feels very uncomfortable.
He said before on the show.
I don't know if he'll change his mind, he changes his mind often.
But he said, like, no, this is bullshit, and the ICI agents shouldn't wear these masks, and you know, they they really do look like a form of secret police in some way.
I totally support their their, you know, what they're trying to do, and they're just enforcing the law.
They don't they don't write the law.
Um, and I think it's ultimately hurting their cause.
The the masks, like some of these videos, they uh here's the thing too.
As some on the left have said, I don't know if we caught it in the in the f the second part of the audio or what have you.
Some people say that um the intimidation is is part of what they're trying to do.
Part of the the like factoring in try like the cruelty is the point, I think is what the what the liberals and left say about this.
So if that is true, then the masks is uh are actually playing into that.
tate brown
But I I I think ultimately we we saw with and you know it's unfortunate this the environment we're in, but we've seen that the left is willing to use violence as a means to shut people up and to impede on their uh opponents' goals.
And so I'm looking, I I guess I'll go back to my first point, which is my goal ultimately is to get as many illegal immigrants out of the country, and as if if this causes them to lose, you know, 10, 20% of the country support wise, I think that's worth it because the alternative is I mean, you don't know what could happen to these guys or their families.
I mean, we just can't put it past.
We're seeing coordination.
I mean, like uh with the Charlie Kirk murder, there's now like you know, a lot of people speculate there was coordination.
Who knows what these black bloc operations and in New York and Chicago and in Portland I mean, they probably have a list of these guys and their families and these sorts of things, and it's like whatever we these guys can do to insulate themselves from violence, uh, you know, vigilante violence, I think is worth it because ultimately I mean I they've had trouble.
They've had they've had some difficulties hiring uh in certain in certain places, and I I want to maintain as many agents as possible.
And uh I I don't want to see these guys getting, you know, getting roughed up by these leftist activists.
I think they're being they're roughed up would be in reverse, but it's well, you know, I mean, like we saw with with Kirk and we we've seen with others is they're willing to go there, they're willing to harm these guys, and and ultimately I just don't see why they need to unmask like for public.
They're already – these people that would be uneasy with ICE agents being masked, they're going to be uneasy with them anyway because they're doing something they don't support, which is – Totally.
elad eliahu
I will say that people who make the argument that ICE agents shouldn't be wearing masks are almost exactly the same people who don't care about the far left and black bloc and Antifa wearing masks and using that as a way to protect their identities while committing crimes.
Yeah, there's there's probably a narrow group of people that just don't want masking across the board, whether it be Antifa or I think there's like a libertarian leaning type who's like anti law enforcement, writ large, anti-authority figure writ large who feels that way.
I will say though, after um the dramatic video of the the gentleman shoving the woman to the ground, which went viral, and um many Democrats uh congresspeople ended up commenting on um that guy was put on leave, ultimately brought back.
But uh I spoke to some of the agents around that gentleman and after the fact of that video going out, and he told me there were efforts to dox all of them.
Yeah, all of the guys in the video.
And I I said obviously, like, of course, and that's unfortunate, and um, you know, you're you guys are are masked up, but like their consequences that kind of come with the job.
I'm not saying that a consequence should be getting doxxed.
tate brown
Yeah.
I well, I think I think they I think the government should protect their their agents.
elad eliahu
Should law and should regular police wear masks too?
Because some people will threaten to dox, I mean, please.
tate brown
But they're not can they're not conducting as abrasive of an operation as mass deportations.
Like the police have they're doing the same thing they've done for hundreds of years, versus what ICE is doing is actually unfortunately is unprecedented, which is mass deportations that hasn't been done since like Eisenhower.
And this uh at least in the scale that the Trump administration is envisioning.
And so yeah, I mean, they they are conducting an operation that is much more abrasive.
There's a large proportion of the country that really just wants to kill them.
Um and so it's like I'm sitting here like, yeah, I mean, I think this is in the at least in the short term, the the solution until I Tim made a good point, which is he just doesn't like that there's an environment in which federal agents have to mask for their lives.
Like that just shows you that the country is in and in a position that is just untenable, which is that they have to mask for their lives.
Like, yeah, and we should be able to crack down these people preemptively.
elad eliahu
Anybody advocating for violence against ICE agents, I mean, should be um prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
So that's why I ultimately think, you know, it would be dumb of somebody to try, and if they do, then we have law enforcement answers to that.
tate brown
Right.
elad eliahu
Um, do you think cruelty is part of the point, so called here?
tate brown
No.
No, uh no.
I mean, that just doesn't really track with what they're what they're trying to do.
I mean, the the cruelty is typically because of of them fighting back.
That's when or cruel to what it looks cruel.
elad eliahu
That's what every arrest gets physical who people resist looks like.
Yeah, this is what the arrest will look like.
tate brown
When it gets physical, then they have to get physical in return, and then that's when the clips just look ugly of them like hit sticking someone.
It's like, well, I mean, that's that's what you have to do.
I I don't think these ice agents really want to be like going out and just like you know, hit sticking random illegals.
Like that that's that's not especially if they're masking, they're already concerned about you know, they're uh of getting doxxed.
Why would they make it worse for themselves?
And like you were saying, that's why I asked the question earlier where I was like, I mean, are these guys sloppy?
And you're saying no.
I mean, because that's what I've seen.
These guys seem to actually be really professional, especially in their new hires and they're and I think part of that's because they know they know the pressure, they know that there's a lot of eyeballs on them, and these have a million cameras on them.
elad eliahu
Yeah, people hoping they're about to make a mistake so they can like take a picture and sell to the New York Times.
unidentified
Right.
elad eliahu
I think frankly, they've been very orderly, yeah, and uh coached very well, it seems.
tate brown
Yeah, I think these guys are patriots.
They just they wanna they want mass deportations and uh they know that the being on their best behavior and and and whatnot is how you conduct that.
elad eliahu
Uh one more bring one fascinating tidbit.
All right, let's roll this uh clip back if we can, Serge.
So I had this go viral on Instagram.
Um yeah, this clip got 15 some odd million views, and I was reading through the comments.
Very funny.
Somebody pointed out to me, it's like, yeah, this man's being detained by a little Hispanic woman, an Asian guy on the right, this fat black guy in front of us, and then a white guy.
So it's a very diverse group of ICE agents who are detaining and taking this man.
tate brown
It's like a community college pamphlet is arresting you.
elad eliahu
Look, the black guy, the Asian guy, the little Hispanic woman, the the tall, fat white guy, the back right.
So there's a very multicultural group of ICE agents who are enforcing our immigration laws outside of these courts.
I think that's a fascinating aspect because usually these people would get be accused of being racist or now they're self-loathing minority racists.
tate brown
I mean, that must suck if you're like on the left.
It's like when the melting pot begins to hate the melting pot has now come full circle, and now there are guys.
elad eliahu
There are a lot of very large intimidating black ice agents at this point with these immigration courts.
They're they hire big dudes.
tate brown
I kind of want I kind of want the brothers on the front line.
elad eliahu
Yeah, there are a lot of people.
I kind of want that, and there are a lot of young guns too, who like grab a guy and run away, and I'll barely be able to catch them on video because it's like a young 23, 24, 25 year old who's just excited to be there and that's what decided to be on the job.
tate brown
I'm sure ICE, I'm sure they're listening.
I'm sure they've they've done this.
Uh they they should really be scouting like the mid major college football programs for like linebackers, because these guys aren't gonna make the NFL.
Like and then you know, they I don't know what their job prospects look like.
I think they could be really useful for for ice.
I mean, they're quick, agile, you know, can lay a lay, you know, lay a lake if they need to, if things get physical.
I think I I if you're out there and you're with an ICE hiring, I would consider you know, tabling at you know these mid-major schools, and you know the option.
elad eliahu
There's a lot of downtime at the courts here.
I'm usually staking out for at least an hour or so to get an arrest, and so are these ICE agents.
So these guys are just chilling, and they're regular dudes, they're really bros, bros.
They're cracking jokes to one another, they're they're laughing and paling around.
Um, so I know you only see them in the context of them grabbing somebody, but then on the off hours, we're just kicking back, you know, cracking jokes to one another, having a chill time.
These are just regular dudes, and a lot of them are viewers of Timcast, and so they've been a lot of very chill dudes.
A lot of they all of them follow my work, and uh I like to think they think I do a great job.
And it's cool because I'll post something and they'll be like, oh, funny video you posted of me last night.
tate brown
So that's that's great, dude.
I I love it.
I have one more kind of because we can go over because you we lost like five minutes.
Um I just had like one more kind of I don't know your thoughts on it, because you've seen this because a lot of people are interacting with your tweets.
Is I I'm very frustrated.
I brought I brought it up earlier where you have this segment of the country who got behind Trump.
A lot of these people are public figures who got behind Trump for other reasons for other reasons, even though Trump's biggest issue is immigration.
He made that very clear and it always has been.
And then now that these Ice Readers are conducting, they get very uncomfortable.
They they they start freaking out seeing these videos.
And I'm sitting here like, who did you think you were voting for?
Like this is how this is like his thing.
This is why I voted for him.
Um, what is your reaction been?
Are you seeing a lot of these guys that are kind of in the middle, supposedly, that are flaking because of these of these videos?
elad eliahu
I mean I think you it's easy to support something in principle and then like in the real world, caught on camera in its most dramatic effect and like in its worst case scenarios are harder, it's a harder pill for certain people to swallow.
Most policy when it's enacted, like you don't really see or much of it.
Um, but this it's it it's really eye capturing.
Um I think it was inevitable that he was gonna lose some people, and I also think it was a really it's important to notice that there's a sliding scale for how much people and what type of deportations people in our country um support.
So, for example, I think people um it's like a majority position for people to support people um DHS detaining and deporting people who got here in the past two years or have criminal records.
But then I think you find decreasing support when you find, oh, what if the person had a family here?
What if they have a child here?
Then you start seeing support go down.
And then, oh, what if it's a person who's been here for 20 years?
Even if they don't have papers, a lot of Americans are still very sympathetic to people, illegal immigrants nonetheless, but uh you know, people who still still been here 20 years, you'll probably be under 50% for people who support deporting people like that.
So I think you do see a sliding scale, and then as things get more visual, people can get a little bit more flaky on it.
I think like another place where this effect is true, it's like people who are very pro-choice, but then when you see literal images of what an abortion really is in practice, um, the ghoulishness, gruesomeness of it can help sway someone's mind.
And I I also want to note that that's not ever that's not actually my goal with the journalism here.
Many people on the right accused me of like trying to garner sympathy for illegal immigrants through my work.
I'm just trying to document the Trump administration's immigration policy in action and and how that's panning out.
A lot of people also told me that uh I shouldn't be posting this stuff and like that it's bad that I'm posting this because I will be deported soon enough.
But I'll have you know that I'm a child of United States citizens, so well, sorry.
tate brown
Sorry to the people hoping that they had uh the chance there now.
elad eliahu
Although, hey, we maybe we should start deporting people with um American citizenship.
I I've actually seen a funny post where it the meme where it was like, oh, just because uh, you know, you had a f a fudge in rat infestation or a bug infestation that's in your house, right?
That that it was homeborn, it doesn't mean it's a good thing.
I do still have the infestation that you need to remove.
Cancer is a so-called natural thing that your body can produce, but it doesn't mean that it it's it should be there to stay.
And it would actually be harmful for you to keep it there.
tate brown
You're setting me up by you saying cancer and infestation.
I disavow those, but I do think we should look at it.
elad eliahu
Was that a you've listened to I don't know?
tate brown
I do think we should look at denaturalizing people like Zoran.
I these paperwork Americans are a big problem.
Like they're that's why the term exists, paperwork American.
They're American on a technicality versus people that have been here that have stake in the country, et cetera, et cetera.
And I I do think people levying those accusations at you that you're like somehow trying to undermine our deportation operation.
I think it's just ridiculous.
I think I think if anything, this is useful for people to see that, like, hey, they're actually doing things because they're I think the concern from a lot of people on the right is that we're not deporting enough, that we're not uh involved in this.
elad eliahu
We I mean, as far as the courts go, um, I don't know if it caught in the second part of the audio because I repeated myself again, but there's like something like five to ten sure deportations, a relatively low amount given how many people come through the court and they're actually eligible to be do um deported and detained, but ultimately aren't.
I've sat in on many court cases where the court the judge will say that they are um eligible for expedited removal, but the ice agents didn't have them on their target list, or for one reason another or another if the processing center had too many people or there's other litigation that is ongoing there are many other eligible people to be deported at these courthouses that they aren't doing um it depends on how you look at it that means that there's a lot more to ramp up if the administration wanted to yeah well dude well thanks for joining me in studio this is again the first ever in person
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