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Aug. 19, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show

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Gavin Newsom SURGES In Polls, COPIES Trump's Style

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tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It is a rainy day here outside of our nation's capital, our newly liberated nation's capital.
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tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We got producer Surge in the cut hanging out, holding it down.
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tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that a wonderful thing?
unidentified		Yeah, anyway, so I digress.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Let's get into the news.
unidentified		We got this from Newsweek.
		Gavin Newsom surges in 2028 presidential primary poll.
		Everyone loves him.
		He's so great.
		Everyone knows what he stands for.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's definitely not a shyster at all.
		He's definitely not a sleazy slime ball with slick back hair.
		He's definitely a real person, right?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		He has to be.
		Support for California Governor Gavin Newsom as a possible Democratic presidential candidate in 2028 has surged over the past four months.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		A new poll shows.
unidentified		Newsweek tried to contact Newsom via email for comment after normal business hours.
unidentified		What to know?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The new poll conducted by Echelon Insights has Newsom in second place among presidential candidates with 13% support behind former Vice President Kamala Harris with 26%.
unidentified		The survey was taken from August 14th to August 18th, which would be what, like Friday to now or yesterday, with a 3.6 margin of error among 1,057 registered voters.
		The same poll published by this company or Insider, what do you want to call them in April had Newsom in sixth place with 4% behind Pete Budigej and AOC, who are both on 7%, and Harris, again, is in first place with 28%.
		The new poll has Pete Mayor Pete, as you know him and love him.
		Speaking of the Be Gay, Don't Be Gay boards.
		Anyway, he's in third place, 11%.
		AOC is in fourth place with 6%.
		So, what's going on, AOC?
		She's going to be dropping down a little bit.
		The California governor has been punching back at Trump over the past few weeks, particularly in the war of words over redistricting.
		Meanwhile, his press office has turned its social media feed into a stream of all caps posts, pop culture parodies, and AI-edited meme content aimed squarely at mocking Trump in style while countering Republican initiatives.
		This is just, if you've been on Twitter over the last few days, you've seen, even I shouldn't say seen, you've been subjected to this crap.
		And Democrats like this, I guess.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Democrats have, you know, garbage taste, apparently, because look at this.
unidentified		He's surging in the polls, right?
		He's jumped to second place by Kamala, which makes sense.
		She has the name recognition right now.
		She was just a nominee.
		A lot of experts expect that support to fade, especially if they want to win.
		So Polymarket is saying the same thing.
		We looked at it yesterday.
		We took a look yesterday, and Gavin was at 20%.
		He's bumped up to 24%.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So this is yesterday when we were looking.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
unidentified		Yeah, right about there.
		19, 20%.
		And they have AOC in second.
		And if you go down, this is one, two, three, four, five, six.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Kamala's in, what is that, seventh place?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm not good at counting.
unidentified		I was homeschooled, but seventh place behind Gretchen Whitmer out of all people.
		So, yeah, it's getting wild in the Democrat primary, potential primary field.
		Clearly, Gavin has national ambitions because he spends more time talking about other states and their governors than his own state.
		That's abundantly clear that he has national ambitions.
		We walked through some of these candidates yesterday.
		I mean, AOC, obviously, sometimes it seems like the right-wing media wants her to be the nominee more than the left-wing media because people are always talking about AOC for president, AOC for president.
		I mean, it is good news and it's interesting to think about.
		Obviously, she would probably get stomped because she has terribly unpopular policies with the average American.
		Pete Buttigieg, who, I mean, they've been trying to, the press has been trying to prop up for years as a viable presidential candidate when, I mean, what is his biggest win ever was probably like putting a bike lane in in South Bend.
		I don't know what the deal is with this guy.
		I don't even know what he did as press secretary or was he transportation secretary, you know, besides buying kids.
		That's like all he did for four years.
		We got Wes Moore.
		No one's ever heard of him unless you live in Maryland.
		Andy Bashir, who is like the Electabro pick because, you know, he's a moderate, sensible centrist, these sorts of things.
		He can win in a red state, deep red Kentucky.
		You know, if they wanted to win, they could pick him.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But I've said it before, and I'll say it a million times: is the Democrats going to 2028 are in the same position the Republicans were in going into 2016.
unidentified		Is the establishment and the base of the Democrat Party are not on the same page whatsoever in the exact same way that the base and the establishment was not on the same page whatsoever in 2016 for the Republicans.
		They wanted to convince you to vote for Jeb Bush, just like they had shoved Mitt Romney and John McCain down your throat the previous two elections.
		And Republican voters realized, oh, you can just vote for whoever you want in the primaries.
		I didn't know you could do that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can just do that?
unidentified		Oh, great.
		Well, I'll take Donald Trump, the guy that's making fun of all these Ivy League lawyers.
		I have the sense and a lot of others that the Democrats are going to have the same dynamic at play in 2028.
		Because if you look, if you talk to a demo, I mean, you talk to the average Democrat, the way they speak about Trump, they're convinced that he's hating some sort of, or bringing some sort of fascist government, some fascist takeover.
		You're not going to moderate if you think that's what you're up against.
		Why would you?
		You want to fight fire with fire if you're a delusional leftist.
		Which makes that's actually the core base of the Democrat Party these days.
		So 2028 rolls around.
		Sorry, Andy Bashir, really.
		I mean, you really think the average Democrat who's furious and is convinced that their democracy is under threat is going to vote for like a moderate.
		I mean, who are we kidding here?
		They're going to want to go wild.
		They're going to want to swing for the fences.
		And people with, you know, with policy platforms like AOC will do well.
		Gavin Newsome's kind of an interesting pick because, well, for one, he's not very good at his job, obviously.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		California is really falling apart.
unidentified		He can present himself like a moderate.
unidentified		He's actually, you know, like I said earlier, he's kind of just doesn't really stand for anything.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's just a big ball of hair grease.
unidentified		But he can present himself as a moderate.
		You know, he can go on Charlie Kirk's show and he can go on, you know, was it Sean Ryan show?
		And, you know, he seems like he can kind of roll with them.
		You know, he can hang in there.
		So, you know, there is this sense that he can speak to the moderate.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The problem is if you look at his policy, because policy-wise, he's outflanks a lot of these other governors listed here.
unidentified		He outflanks them on the left.
		I mean, Bashir Moore Whitmer.
		He's not, I mean, he's not a, he's not a moderate with the way he governs.
		So they're really doubling down.
		Gavin Newsom clearly clearly has national ambitions.
		So this is what the poor users over on X have been subjected to over the last week.
		We've covered this on IRL.
		They're doing this weird thing where they're emulating Trump, and it's kind of flattering.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like they're basically conceding that Trump's communication style is iconic, right?
unidentified		Because it is.
		And they're conceding that.
		And by conceding that, they're trying to use it as a way to parody, but they're not even really parodying.
		They're just copying it because it's a funny way to communicate.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		There's no parody here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like they're not mocking.
unidentified		The press keeps saying Newsom is mocking Trump.
		But this right here, wow, what an honor on Mount Rushmore.
		Thank you.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's just a funny way to communicate, right?
unidentified		There's no mocking here.
unidentified		Everyone's like, oh, that's, yeah, Trump's a funny guy.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's how he talks.
unidentified		So it's hilarious that the perception from the lefty press is that he's mocking because that's just not.
		It seems flattering, if anything.
		And you're getting these pieces, these op-eds.
		This was from the New York Times.
		This was a Sunday.
		This came out Sunday.
		The insidious creep of Trump's speaking style.
		So this was written by Mr. Alexic Alexic, like a Balkan name, I guess.
		He was an American linguist and the author of Algo Speak.
		Many such cases, many people are saying this.
		You may recognize these phrases as Trumpisms, linguistic coinages of President Trump, but they've also become ingrained in our collective vocabulary.
		Since they become popular as memes during his first presidential campaign, we've begun using them first sardonically and then out of habit.
		If you search for many such cases on X, you'll see new posts of the phrase seemingly every minute, primarily applied to non-political contexts like work anxiety or the real estate market, whatever that means.
		Google Trends shows both expressions increasing in usage since the mid-2010s.
		This is remarkable given how quickly memes typically die out.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Internet humor usually follows transient fads, but these phrases associated with the president seem to have found a more permanent home in the English language.
unidentified		So true, which is also a Trumpism, actually, now that I think about it.
		The difference is how his ideas spread and mutate through the language he uses.
		Mr. Trump's speech evolving in the social media era is overwhelmingly entering language through online jokes, but then sticking around in our actual conversations.
		The Trumpisms that stay are well suited for virality and recombination through algorithmic media.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're no longer being used in direct reference to the original joke because they can be reapplied to everyday situations.
unidentified		I mean, look at this sad.
unidentified		He's popularized sad as an interjection.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Frankly, fake news, adding believe me onto the end of a sentence.
unidentified		I mean, you can, you just, this is a classic describing NAFTA as the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.
		Maybe ever.
		It's so true, which it's a Trumpism.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You know, I forget that some of these are even Trumpisms because, like I said, he's just so ubiquitous.
unidentified		And the left realizes this, that he's single-handedly changed the culture.
		And the best they can do is try to like intellectualize their way out of this.
		I mean, look at all this.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's actually kind of an interesting piece.
unidentified		It's worth a read.
		But I mean, the Trumpisms, they're ubiquitous.
		And then this is what I loved at the bottom.
		It's more on Trump.
		And this is just panicking from the left that Trump's just dominating the culture.
		Trumpism is just dominating the culture.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Here's an opinion piece.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're trapped in Trump's reality.
unidentified		This is how we escape it.
		We're trapped.
		What do we do?
		The pointless triumph of a hapless president.
		All right.
		Trump's Oval Office is a gilded Rococo nightmare.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Help.
unidentified		So it's just like, these are just hope.
		They're just hopeless.
		They're just completely demoralized.
		And this is so weird because the first, I remember the first administration is the resistance.
		And they really felt like they had a lot of ammo.
		They really felt like that they were going to push back and this Trump thing was just going to be a weird moment in history and they were going to put everything back in the box.
		And that's what they thought happened with Biden.
		They said, finally, and then they thought they could throw him in jail.
		And that would be the last you ever heard of Donald Trump.
		Fast forward three years.
		Ben Rhodes puts it very well.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what's going on is we are trapped in Trump's reality.
unidentified		That's exactly what's going on.
		And it's a beautiful thing.
		He explains how we escape it.
		I don't think you can.
		How do you escape it?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at all these words that are just entrenched in the American lexicon.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Look at Gavin Newsome.
unidentified		His political strategy is just emulate Trump.
		And also every Republican's political strategy is emulate Trump.
		There is no way out of that.
		And not just that, beyond that, they're emulating ideas that stem from Trump's sphere, his online sphere, his intellectual sphere, like the sphere of his supporters.
		I'm used to grabbing my glasses because it's like a weird tick I have.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They weren't there.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I just did that like I'm, you know, mega mind or whatever.
unidentified		Or Mr. X, that's what he does.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, this is from Gavin Newsom's Twitter.
unidentified		He's quote tweeting this tweet here from young Putin.
		Interesting.
		It's an interesting name for an elected governor to quote.
		That's wild.
		Anyway, this is a comparison, Gavin Newsom versus JD Vance in high school.
		So, you know, this is what they call a mog now.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is what it is.
unidentified		This is just, this is a weird, this is a weird, weird, weird kind of thing for a Democrat, a leftist to endorse because this is an endorsement of physiogamy, which is a, you know, more like dissident right-wing kind of theory, right?
		Which is that to a certain degree, your value as a human manifests in like your physical appearance.
		This is an idea that's prominent on the right.
		Surge is making a face.
		And you have Gavin Newsome, the Democrat, presumable Democrat frontrunner or one of the frontrunners, just endorsing, endorsing this.
		I mean, if that doesn't show how much right-wing thought and Trumpism is in the driver's seat in this country, I don't know what is, is that the Democrats' best strategy is to basically speak like Trump, to communicate like Trump, and to endorse dissident right-wing political ideas.
		I mean, this is hilarious.
		Social ideas.
		It is absolutely hilarious.
		Of course, this is in juxtaposition to the reality of, you know, one photo because you can't really, that's the kind of where a lot of this stuff falls short.
		You can't really judge things off of one photo.
		Here's a great example of, well, okay, this is funny.
		You know, JD Vance is a little more dorky.
		You know, he's dorky, but that's relatable.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's a husky patriot.
unidentified		There's a lot of us.
		I was a husky patriot in high school.
		Compared to Gavin Newsome, you know, what's he doing over here?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This looks like, you know, I don't have the media literacy to know what this photography style is, but it's definitely artistic, artisanal, alt, if you will.
unidentified		But then what were they up to after high school graduation?
unidentified		Well, JD Vance, because he is a middle American patriot, went to the Marines.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's what, you know, he came from a low-income background and he saw the Marines as a good ticket out.
unidentified		And he seized on that.
unidentified		And then Gavin Newsome, I don't know what he was up to after high school graduation.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's just in a chair.
unidentified		I think that's what he did for a few years.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He just kind of sat and looked at people.
unidentified		Because, you know, who knows what his politics were.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Does anybody know?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
unidentified		Anyway, so that's what they were up to.
		JD Vance, Patriot.
		And to a certain extent, this kind of antipathizes a bit of the resentment that's brewing among heritage Americans, right?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's what a lot of people say.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people in middle America, flyover country as it's been deemed, is just the arrogance and the arrogance of these coastal elite.
unidentified		And that's exactly what you're seeing here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Serge is highlighting something.
unidentified		I never realized that's a men's bathroom.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, this photo is shared a lot like it's some sort of dunk, but I'm like, I mean, there is something to be said that these ladies here feel very safe around JD Vance.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in the men's room.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		In the men's room, which it's an interesting dynamic going on.
unidentified		I don't know if Gavin Newsom, there's a lot going on here with a scarf.
		Look, if I have daughters, which I, you know, we'll see what happens.
		I'm just going to straight up tell him, don't trust a man wearing a scarf.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
unidentified		It's performative.
		You know, what's next?
		He's me listening to Claro and drinking matcha.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, give me a break.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So stay clear of the scarfs, ladies.
unidentified		Anyway, Gavin Newsome's tweets are written by these two.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is via Via.
unidentified		I remember Nwokeness.
		So, you know, they're doing this crafty little routine here.
		You know, they were sitting down at boardrooms for hours trying to deliberate how are we going to present Gavin Newsome to the American people?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		How are we going to pitch him?
		You know, everyone's scared of him because he's, you know, ran the state into a ground and he's like an evil communist.
		How do we pitch him to middle America?
unidentified		And these two, this blue-haired lady and this guy with a bow tie stand up and they say, let's just copy everything Trump does and endorse right-wing thought.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Brilliant.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is brilliant.
unidentified		And it's paid off because Polymarket says he's at 24% chance of becoming the nominee.
		So, yeah, shout out to these two, actually.
		Megan Kelly says, Tracks.
		Yep.
		Yeah, it really does.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So this is the peanut gallery operating behind the scenes here.
unidentified		Yeah, we're on to.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're not really going to fall for these games from the coastals, as I've begun to call them.
unidentified		And I say this as an exiled New Yorker, but I am a Tennessee boy at heart.
		So I do, You know, I do share a bit of the distrust of the coastals trying to sell something to you.
		And a lot of states are reacting.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They are reacting.
unidentified		They are putting up, they're playing defense against these games that are being played, these gaslighting, these psyops.
		Shout out to the state of Oklahoma.
		This is from the Washington Post.
		Oklahoma will test some incoming teachers with a, quote, America first exam.
		Yo.
		Yeah, that's hype.
		Teachers from New York and California who apply to teach in Oklahoma will now have to answer questions meant to screen out, quote, woke indoctrinations with left-wing views.
		The latest attempt by Oklahoma officials to push the state's education system rightward.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
unidentified		Oh, no, no.
		Oh, geez.
		Yeah, maybe they won't be like transing kids anymore.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's the right word shift.
unidentified		They won't be teaching white kids that they're evil.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's the lurch right word that we'll probably see here.
unidentified		The test's 50 questions will cover topics about U.S. government, religion, and gender, according to examples shared by the Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction, Ryan Walters, or that's a strange name.
		No, just kidding.
		Teachers unions have criticized the move as a political stunt that will discourage applicants as Oklahoma faces a teacher shortage.
		Walters announced plans to administer the test at a state education board meeting in July, in which he said California and New York, the nation's two largest blue states, have teaching standards considered antithetical to Oklahoma's.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's probably true.
unidentified		Exhibit A is anyone you ever met from California or New York.
unidentified		Prager University, a nonprofit that produces educational materials emphasizing patriotic and conservative values, developed the exam.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're not bringing in woke indoctrinators into the classroom, Walters told the Washington Post on Monday, adding, it's a very America-first approach.
unidentified		Walters has courted controversy for previous efforts to shape Oklahoma schools, including distributing Bibles in classrooms and backing a proposal to teach high schoolers that there were discrepancies in the 2020 election.
		He supported the unsuccessful effort to create the nation's first public religious charter school in Oklahoma that culminated in a deadlocked Supreme Court ruling in May.
		So essentially what Mr. Walters is doing here is he's just trying to set the education standards at like what things would have been like maybe 20, 30 years ago.
		I don't know how you can, I mean, this was the same conversation we had when the DOE, the Department of Education was, you know, being disbanded, is people on the left are freaking out about it.
		They're freaking out about this.
		And it's just like, can you honestly say that education has been heading in the right direction in this country?
		I mean, for a prolonged period of time, certainly over the last few decades.
		Can we seriously say that education standards have improved?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Can you seriously say that America's youth are coming out with more well-rounded educations?
unidentified		That's a really tough case to make.
		And you can't find really any data that supports that.
		Just go to a DMV.
		You'll see that Americans are getting dumber and they're missing out on a lot of important aspects of education and matriculation.
		And so shout out to the state of Oklahoma.
		Shout out to Ryan Walters here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is brilliant.
unidentified		You can't just let, I mean, you see so many of these TikToks of these teachers.
		Oh my gosh.
		These teachers, they come in and they impose their, you know, alphabet mafia rhetoric on these children.
		They go in there and they teach white children that they're evil.
		And typically these are white teachers teaching that.
		So they're basically just teaching kids to hate themselves.
		And we're in an environment where kids already hate themselves and the government tells them to just take pills to make that feeling go away.
		So the last thing we need is these teachers doubling down, which they often do.
		The mental health stuff they're always pushing on them.
		Basically, just teaching them everything about them is evil and wrong.
		And this is very, this is very prevalent in the state of New York and the state of California.
		So, shout out to Oklahoma.
		This should be standard.
		Every red state should be implementing this, not just for incoming teachers from blue states, but just for teachers in general.
		This should be the standard.
		And if red states are serious about protecting the youth's future, you know, you got to go, you got to go deeper than banning transgender swimmers or whatever, which is important, right?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's, we don't want that, but you got to, you got to cut the rod out at the bottom.
unidentified		And a lot of this is what they're being taught in these schools.
		And these woke indoctrinators, they're everywhere.
		They're very preeminent.
		They're very prominent, rather.
		That'd be the word to use.
		So, yes, this should be the standard for red states.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma is leading the charge here.
unidentified		This should be the standard.
		Yeah.
		Well, I want to switch gears a little bit here.
		And I want to talk about ICE and immigration.
		We're going to be joined in about five minutes by Nathan Halberstadt of Newfounding.
		He was on IRL recently.
		You may have seen him on there.
		But if you don't know him, you're in for a treat.
		I call him the chart master.
		If you've seen a viral chart on Twitter recently, any chart, he probably has his finger in it.
		He's involved somehow.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He is the chart master.
unidentified		So we're going to bring him in.
		We're going to be discussing a lot of these trends that we're seeing around immigration, around housing, finances, broadly speaking.
		It's going to be great.
		You're in for a treat.
		Just trust me, you're going to love it.
		But yeah, let's shift gears here.
		First, I wanted to start out.
		I want to talk about ICE a little bit.
		I want to talk about immigration, kind of these updates, also the crackdowns in DC.
		Reach for the glasses again.
		I don't know what I'm doing here.
		I wanted to open up with this tweet, though.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is from Tony Moon, who is the OG rooftop Korean, which is fascinating that he's on Twitter.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's hilarious.
unidentified		You can just go and see what he's up to.
		He had this tweet yesterday.
		Gang warfare in LA now includes calling ice on your rivals.
		Now, obviously, I couldn't find any press that was talking about this because that would be pretty tough to determine, I suppose.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But I just want to put this out there.
		Does anybody have any confirmation that this is happening?
		Because that's really funny.
unidentified		That's just like side note.
		That's hilarious if that's happening.
		If gangs are calling ICE on each other.
		Please let me know and figure out how we can increase that.
		How we can raise awareness among the gang community that you can just use ICE to get rid of people, make them leave the country.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That would be beautiful.
unidentified		But yeah, if we can get some confirmation on it, that'd be great.
		I just wanted to put that in there.
		You probably saw this doing the rounds yesterday.
		There was this, I don't even know if we can show the video, but you've probably seen this.
		Yeah, so I'll pause right there.
		It's a really gruesome video.
		These truckers who evidently entered the country illegally, they got a CDL in Gavin Newsom's California.
		And they were in Florida and they just do an illegal U-turn because in India, you can do that.
		Can't do that in the United States, obviously, because it results in death.
		And yes, if you've been on roads recently, you have noticed the dip in driving quality from truckers.
		I think everyone can resonate with this, including American truckers.
		I've also, I put a tweet out the other day, and it's true, is I'm noticing an increase in billboards in Hindi for truck stops or advertising Indian food.
		So it's becoming a huge problem, and Homeland Security is all over it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Three innocent people were killed in Florida because Gavin Newsom's California DMV issued an illegal alien a commercial driver's license.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The state of governance is asinine.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
		How many more innocent people have to die before Gavin Newsom stops playing games with the safety of the American people?
		We pray for the victims and their families.
		Secretary Noam and DHS are working around the clock to protect the public and get these criminal, illegal aliens out of America.
		So, yeah, everything, it's at least talk about immigration.
		You see people on the left and they say, well, I don't care how people come into the country.
		Why should I care?
		I mean, you'll care when three people that you know and love, you know, or presumably that's how many, yeah, here it says right here, three Americans.
		You'll know when three people you know and love are killed because of the foolish behavior of these illegals here, and especially because they're being done at the hands of Democrat.
		Like Florida's got their basis covered here, right?
		The Alligator Alcatraz, the Florida government is definitely endorsing ICE's operations.
		It's these states like California pushing back is just leading to Americans dying for no reason.
		And just absurd, absurd.
		We don't have to live like this.
		This was an interesting study a few years ago from the annual review of political studies talking about diversity and social trust, about how immigration just across the board is leading to a decline in social trust.
		And I mean, you're seeing it right here with just basic institutions breaking down.
		And then obviously you have the more broad theme of social trust breaking down, which everyone's aware of.
		And if you don't accept that presupposition, then why do you have your doors locked?
		And that was not a ubiquitous thing in the United States not too long ago.
		It's a fascinating study.
		And the abstract here is they have found a we find a statistically significant negative relationship between ethnic diversity and social trust across all studies, which obviously immigration just skyrockets and skyrockets, ethnic diversity, diversity of religion, diversity of thought, everything.
		It just basically dilutes your country's culture, et cetera, et cetera.
		CIS, the Center for Immigration Studies, backed this up.
		They broke down this study further.
		We're kind of running, we've got a little time crunch here, so I can't get into it too deep, but this is a fascinating read.
		And the social trust, I mean, we're seeing it all across every metric.
		This was the viral graph from Nathan, who we're going to be joined here by shortly.
		And it was everywhere.
		The estimated percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners was over 50% in 1960.
		And then just plummets, plummets to now where we're at like 8%.
		I mean, look, I'm not directly correlating this to immigration, but it's so obvious that social trust in the United States and quality of life, broadly speaking, has just created, created in this country.
		And immigration is a huge part of it.
		I mean, if you don't know who your neighbors are and where they come from and how they think, I mean, how are we supposed to, how are we supposed to mend this, mend this shattered fabric, social fabric?
		You know, Tucker Carlson and Orin McIntyre had a great discussion yesterday discussing this about how we're going to have to define what an American is, because as the ICE operation ramps up further, that's going to be a very important question to ask.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So on things on topics of social trust, immigration, everything broadly speaking, we're going to bring Nathan Halberstadt in here.
unidentified		We're getting it set up.
		Hello, Nathan.
		Can you hear me?
		Yeah, I can hear you.
		Dude, what's up?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So thanks for coming on.
unidentified		Can you tell the viewers who you are, what you do?
unidentified		Yeah, my name is Nathan Halberstadt.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		I work at New Founding.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		We're a venture firm focused on critical civilizational problems.
unidentified		For the most part, we're looking at investing in founders who are sort of doge tier type individuals for young patriots who are trying to build important things for the future of America.
		And I'm super excited to be here.
		Everybody recently has been talking about Tatecast.
		I was listening to the front half of the show, and you didn't just call yourself a patriot.
		I guess you called yourself a former Husky patriot.
		You don't have to lock that one away for the future.
		Yeah, it's true.
		I mean, look, God made me love some, God loved me so much, he made a little extra of me.
		That's what my grandmother told me as a child as a husband.
		That's right.
		That's right.
		I'm going to deploy that in the future, probably later today with a few people.
		Let's go with the soft launch.
		Yeah, soft launch.
		Well, I wanted to get into it.
		We were discussing the ICE situation and also the last few days we've been discussing the DC crackdown pretty extensively.
		I know you were in El Salvador recently and you had some thoughts on how El Salvador's approach to these sorts of social disorder themes has been.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Can you maybe break that down now that you're back in the States?
unidentified		Yeah, so I just got back from the land of the Philosopher King, King Bukele.
		And so I was in San Salvador, which is the capital of El Salvador.
		And, you know, this ace used to be the crime capital of the world.
		And in just a short, you know, short number of years, it's now incredibly safe.
		And I was looking at some of the data just before coming on the show on Tapecast.
		And, you know, it's actually quite shocking.
		And you feel it when you're out there.
		So I was walking around at night.
		About every other block does have an armed soldier on the corner.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		Now, that actually adds to a sense of sort of security in an interesting way, although it is sort of a sign of the former former difficulties of the country.
unidentified		But just comparing it to DC, if you're walking around DuPont Circle in DC or around the Hill or these areas, just the sense that there are just a large number of unsavory characters where literally anything could happen is always present.
		El Salvador, though, everybody was friendly.
		It was nice.
		Just walk around, you know, 10 p.m., midnight.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, El Salvador went from the murder and murder and crime capital of the world to they have a homicide rate of around two per 100,000 people, whereas in Washington, D.C., we're at 27,000 people, right?
unidentified		So, you know, there, you know, we have more than 10 times the rate of this place that is basically or was formerly dominated by cartels.
		And so to me, the interesting story here is that, I mean, I used to live in DC, right?
		And crime was kind of a problem.
		It still is.
		You know, I posted a photo on Twitter of, you know, one mile from the White House, $4 toothpaste is locked up.
		And people will try to tell you that crime is down, but it's obviously not in a place like DC.
		And, you know, most saliently, recently, our boy, you know, a heroic patriot, Big Balls, he was attacked.
		And, you know, he's working with Doge.
		He's helping serve the country.
		And he was attacked brutally.
		There's a photo of him out in front of an ambulance, just sort of bleeding on the street.
		So it's really excellent to see Trump bringing the National Guard in.
		And I think really the lesson of El Salvador is that this stuff works.
		It can be criminals out the crime, right?
		It went from significantly higher to one-tenth of our crime rate in just a couple of years.
		I saw a post also just recently from the DC Police Union.
		I think they posted this yesterday.
		It's like at DC Police Union.
		And it shows that in DC, just since the announcement of federal controls, just in the past seven days, robbery down 46%, carjacking is down 83%, Violent crime down 22%, etc.
		So, you know, it just shows if you just actually enforce the law, you can solve a lot of these.
		You know, you can solve a lot of the problems.
		So, so, you know, I think being in El Salvador, El Salvador is still poor.
		It still has its issues.
		It's kind of this interesting mix of, you know, sort of native people on the way up and sort of like international Bitcoiners and such.
		Minded them out there in San Salvador.
		But, you know, I'm pretty optimistic about that we could learn a few things here in America.
		Yeah, yeah.
		I mean, I think it's the shift that's happening.
		I mean, Bukele probably had a part to play in it as far as demonstrating to the sort of right-wing, rising elite that you can wield power in effective ways.
		But it is refreshing to see that Trump is very aware of the mechanisms that he has at his disposal and doesn't seem to be afraid to deploy those mechanisms whenever he needs, as we're seeing in DC.
		But kind of the bigger issue, I mean, obviously cleaning up our cities is a priority, but you're not going to really solve the root of those issues without addressing the immigration, specifically the illegal immigration problem.
		And that's where he's really beefed up ICE.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that was a priority of the Big Beautiful Bill was, you know, allocating billions and billions of dollars to ICE.
unidentified		But I was talking, I mean, I was covering earlier that you probably saw it was the trucker in Florida who killed three Americans because he decided to do an India-style U-turn in the middle of the highway.
		I mean, you're the chart master.
		That's what I dubbed you earlier.
		What sort of ways are you seeing immigration impacting social trust in a more sort of specific way?
		Yeah, that's the right question.
		I think we see in the data that over the past few decades, social trust has been declining.
		And to be really specific, what we mean by social trust is if there is a stranger next to you, let's say in your town or city, somebody who's just walking by, you can sort of survey somebody.
		I'm like, are you likely to trust them or not?
		So how reliable do you expect that person to be who's sort of around you in your location?
		And what we've seen over time is that people's response to that has been declining drastically.
		So where it used to be the case that somebody who used to go by on the street, you could sort of plausibly ask them for help with something or have some casual conversation in line or whatever else.
		Increasingly, people are shifting away from that.
		And there's a lot of theories in terms of what's actually driving this.
		I think technology is something that is definitely playing a role.
		The fact that people are just on their phones more.
		So we can't discount some of those explanations.
		But the role that migration has played, I think, is under discussed.
		So the fact of the matter is that when you're surrounded by people who don't share your values or your life ways, maybe don't even speak the same language as you, you can't really count on them because you might ask for something or ask them a question and it's really quite unpredictable how they'd respond because they could be from anywhere, sort of believe anything.
		Again, there's no guarantee they will even be able to understand you.
		And in certain major American cities, you get to a point where New York, Chicago, et cetera, Boston, 25 to 50% of the population is foreign-born.
		At those sorts of levels, it becomes just the case that you can't really trust anybody around you.
		No idea where they're from.
		You don't really know what their agenda is.
		And to come back to this trucker incident, right?
		So this was a trucker who came into America, did not have papers, somehow got a commercial driver's license.
		And I think that that's something that has to be looked at more closely.
		I saw at least some sort of a note that the Trump Administration is looking at doing paper checks basically at truck weighing stations.
		I absolutely support that.
		But you can sort of imagine a situation where somebody came in from, let's say India, they came to America and they learned to drive elsewhere.
		And all of a sudden, they're driving this massive piece of metal at 80 miles per hour.
		And there's just like no telling what they're going to do.
		You might have a daughter or like a niece or something who's driving, obeying the laws.
		And it's similar to, you can think about like foreign, you know, like foreign doctors and nurses and things like that.
		You know, if they're coming to America, we want to do a whole series of sort of vetting, checking, sort of relicensing them.
		You don't want to take a certain, you don't really want to accept a surgery from somebody from some other part of the world.
		And you don't really know what their experience level is.
		You don't really know where they learned, et cetera, et cetera.
		It would be good in America if we sort of made sure that the people who are on the roads are, let's say, trained and should actually be on our roads.
		And that means removing illegal immigrants from our roads for the most part.
		And that's just one piece of this sort of whole social trust thing, right?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you know, you can't rely on the person next to you on the road now, right?
unidentified		And that's sort of a scary part about where all of this is going.
		Yeah.
		I mean, there's already enough female drivers.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Do we really need these elite?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, geez, right?
unidentified		No, I'm just kidding.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We love females, especially female drivers.
		But yeah, I mean, that's the thing is I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, do we really have a shortage of truckers in this country?
		I mean, I don't recall seeing any headlines or articles.
		To me, this just seems like an underhanded attempt from these logistics companies to undercut Americans.
unidentified		And we're seeing this all across the board.
		The H-1B situation obviously is in desperate need of addressing.
		I mean, I know you've hit on the H-1B visa situation really hard.
		You're obviously in tech adjacent tech industry.
		What are you seeing on the H-1B front?
		I mean, are we moving in a good direction on this or what?
		Yeah, I mean, Tate, you raised a really, really excellent point here, which is, you know, isn't, I mean, we have, let's say in the trucker industry, right?
		You know, AI is coming right around the bend here.
		And so I think it's a national priority to make sure that our existing American truck drivers continue to thrive, right?
		And whatever that looks like, there's probably some level of protectionism.
		There's probably some, there's a variety of things we can get into here, but basically autonomous driving is going to seriously cut down the number of, or has the potential to seriously cut down the number of available trucking jobs.
		If at the same time, we're just giving away the remaining truck jobs to whatever they are, whether it's H-1Bs or just any sort of foreign labor.
		That's adding pressure to an already quite difficult situation.
		So if we think about the H-1B situation more broadly, there was a report in FortuneMag that, and this was about two weeks ago, that 60% of new college grads from the class of 2025, so these are the guys that you and I know who are just graduating right now, guys and girls who are wrapping up their college education, 60% of them are unemployed or underemployed.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And they just graduated in May.
		It's now mid-August.
		And so when you hear these stories about young people who are unhappy with sort of the set of available opportunities, you have to understand that this is like, there is a burning platform here.
		There's a serious problem.
		Now, it's not all about the H-1Bs.
		It's probably two things.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		Again, it's AI.
unidentified		Increasingly, the ChatGPT and other AI tools can do entry-level, let's say, analysts and associate-level work, an associate at a law firm.
		They used to do all the reading through things and now ChatGPT can do it.
		Analysts used to make slide decks and make graphs, et cetera, et cetera.
		You can kind of just, as more senior person can just prompt that.
		So there's a little bit of a situation where the ladder is coming up naturally.
		But I think then that makes people much more sensitive to the fact that when they see the ladder coming up, but the people who are grabbing the ladder are H-1Bs.
		They're not even Americans.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		That's something that I think is extremely politically sensitive and it should be.
unidentified		Those opportunities should be going to Americans.
		And the economy is shifting in a whole bunch of different ways.
		And we need to make sure basically that there are opportunities for young people.
		It's not just about handing out jobs left and right that are meaningless.
		It's like helping them to find things that are meaningful that they can build a life with.
		And whether it's encouraging them to become founders and companies or just joining ICE and helping save the homeland or whatever it is.
		We need to step in and make sure that there are serious job opportunities where they can get married, have kids, buy a home.
		And if we're failing on that, then we're failing on everything.
		Yeah, I mean, you just see all these metrics like you're bringing up.
		You're seeing these headlines coming out of how radical Zoomers and now we're starting to see Gen Alpha's politics are, how distrustful they are of institutions, how distrustful they are of, let's just say the establishment, broadly speaking.
		It's tough to see a situation in which you don't get a violent, maybe not violent, but a visceral reaction from the younger generations.
		I mean, I would assume that getting out of this and giving Zoomers opportunity is just a matter of national security at this point.
		I mean, if you consider the palpable anger that you're seeing from that generation, or this generation, our generation, I mean, it just feels like a ticking time bomb, really.
		I mean, I don't know if you're seeing this on your end.
		Yeah, and I think there's just enough specific examples floating around that Gen Alpha and Gen Z have access to.
		You know, there was an example about a month back and there was this gentleman.
		His name was Sohem Parek.
		And he was, you know, he's from India.
		He essentially was in some sort of a debt problem, a debt situation.
		He said that he was in some sort of a in sort of a bind, basically.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		And he came to America and he got, he was rotating up to six jobs at a time, sort of engineered jobs at Y Combinator tier startups.
unidentified		So these are excellent.
unidentified		Think about like an Uber in its earlier stages or something like this.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		So he was rotating through around six of them at a time, getting fired though.
unidentified		And then as soon as he got fired, you just get another one because he wasn't doing a good job.
		It's quite difficult to do a good job across those.
		But basically he was harvesting six, probably, what, 200K a year salaries at a time.
		So he was clearing over a million a year, but not delivering any value and taking jobs from young Americans.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		Like my friends were actually applying for those jobs.
unidentified		They were trying to get engineer jobs in those Y Combinator companies.
		And actually, a lot of them didn't get those jobs.
		And so that's where this gets a little bit more interesting.
		And so he was invited on TVPN to do an interview.
		And then during that interview, again, he said, I did this because of some debt or duress.
		But then he sort of rapidly pivots and says, but I don't care about the money.
		I just want to build.
		And that's such an obvious lie.
		Any Gen Z or Gen Alpha person just looks at that and goes like, okay, here's a foreign grifter who's abusing our labor market.
		And notably, he's in the visa process to come here to the United States permanently.
		I think I'm a pretty, I'm a moderate guy.
		I'm an American.
		I want there to be jobs and opportunities and things for my siblings and my friends and my kids and grandkids.
		And We can't have that and also have hundreds of thousands of Sohem paraks sort of swimming around doing this sort of stuff.
		And those stories are just so available to us now, right?
		They were probably not as available.
		Was CNN covering this sort of stuff?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		Would it have even gotten coverage pre-social media?
unidentified		Probably not.
		So, again, I'm personally against him, somebody like this when he's drifting off of our labor market.
		It would be an interesting question.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		That was about a month back.
unidentified		Is he still in the visa process?
		Is he in America right now?
		Should he be in America right now?
		Those are, I think, very, very, you know, rational questions to ask.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		And I think if you, if you care at all about the next generation of Americans, you know, you need to hold a harder line on these issues, especially given what we're going to be going through with AI.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, it really just begs the question of like, if I'm an American citizen, what is the point of being an American citizen if I'm having to compete with the entire world for domestic, you know, domestic resources, like housing and jobs and whatnot.
		I mean, you're seeing in the UK this problem on steroids where there's article after article there where they're like, we have to build 4 million houses or we're going to have like a homelessness crisis.
		And then they're also simultaneously allowing millions of migrants in a year who the vast, vast majority of them are not providing an upgrade in any department.
		And oftentimes they end up on social housing.
		Obviously, the situation is a bit different in America because we don't have super extensive social programs here, but we do, the ones that we do have, we are starting to see, maybe not starting, we've been seeing migrants coming in and just immediately utilizing these resources.
		I mean, Minnesota is a great example.
		That's a rabbit hole that I would encourage Tim Guys viewers to go down, specifically relating to their elected officials.
		I mean, without mass deportations, I mean, where are we going to be?
		Is the UK really our future?
		Well, hopefully not.
		Hopefully not.
		I mean, at least in London and some of these other cities, it's getting quite ugly.
		You know, the United Kingdom, one of the problems that they face is basically that the right in the United Kingdom is less serious.
		I mean, the Tories are fundamentally unserious, I would say.
		And beyond that as well, any sort of opposition to mass migration is crushed.
		They don't have the same level of free speech.
		So those are two things that really, I think, hold them back.
		So I think we should be very thankful here in America that we have free speech.
		And I would say MAGA, MAGA is a serious right-wing party.
		I'm sure there are ways that it could always be improved, but I think there's a lot to be grateful for here.
		And I think we're making forward progress.
		In terms of just more broadly, where does all of this go for Americans?
		And how should average, let's say, investors, business owners, even young people be thinking about the political, cultural sort of macro situation?
		This guides a lot of our investing, I would say, in startups.
		I think that the sort of challenges that Gen Z and Gen Alpha are facing in combination with everything else going on in the world lead us to think that this will be an era of greater instability, greater political radicalism, of course, right?
		Deglobalization is another theme that we think a lot about, right?
		So in a world where people are more conscious of people like Soren Parek, who we just talked about, and more opposed to it, expecting more tariffs to go up, expecting more focus on sort of domestic labor.
		And really what a lot of that should hopefully do is actually begin to solve the social trust problem.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		And a society cannot survive if the social trust gets low enough.
unidentified		If you can't count on anybody, then you're not a society anymore.
		You're just a bunch of individual people, maybe families, maybe groups of friends.
		And so we think a lot about sort of repositioning for that sort of new economic and social paradigm.
		And so I think for business owners and such, it's thinking about how you actually get ahead of this, right?
		There are probably interesting regulations and policy shifts, just like the tariffs going in place, but beyond the tariffs.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		It's not just going to be that.
unidentified		There's more coming.
		And then the other thing that I would mention just for people in general is, as you think about like AI slop on the internet and just like the effects of AI across the board, AI is going to replace a lot of, it's very likely to replace a lot of types of work that in some ways we rely on either like foreign labor for.
		And it should transfer a lot of value to like very capable young Americans if they are high agency enough and they leverage AI effectively.
		But AI, like AI slop on the internet, I anticipate continuing to be a problem.
		Like you can imagine a world where we're messaging back and forth about coming on the show today and I message you and you have some AI agent that actually just replies to me and we sort of get booked to go on this, to go on the show together.
		But maybe neither of us even saw the message.
		It was just our AI agents sort of replying to each other.
		Now, of course, there are certain solutions to this and such.
		But then you open your Twitter feed and it's like the people liking my posts aren't real.
		The people the posts are generated, et cetera, et cetera.
		It's like what does that world look like in my view?
		In my view, that forces a lot of people back to the in-person and real and physical world.
		And that's where in-person networks, the firm handshake, the people at your church, the people who live right next to you begins to matter a lot more because the digital ecosystem becomes less reliable.
		It's like, think about how your inbox is just so flooded with spam.
		I imagine a world where that's just like, that's just like everything on the internet.
		It's just increasingly, increasingly sort of a proliferation of AI slop across everything on your phone.
		It'll be an arms race between that and the filters, of course.
		But that's sort of some of the way that I think about what's coming for Americans in the years ahead.
		Yeah, I mean, we had Nate Fisher on and he had an interesting idea that it makes a lot of sense and it seems to be borne out so far is that increased utilization of AI in the labor force could actually free up or eliminate a lot of these laptop jobs or a lot of these fake jobs.
		And it could actually sort of force Americans to return to a more classically American way of living and structuring their families and these sorts of things.
		As in, it could free up resources for these companies where they can allocate more to wages.
		And we could potentially return to people being able to support a family on a single income, which is really exciting stuff.
		But this obviously also requires restriction on immigration because if you don't have that, then you're just going to have a much larger labor market.
		And then it'll just be a disaster.
		Yeah, there are a lot of reasons.
		Yeah, there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic.
		I share Nate Fisher's perspective on this.
		And I think you're right to add the layer that deportations and this is critical to this, actually, this shift sort of going well for us as Americans.
		And I've written about something that I call digital enclaves.
		And the idea, just to sort of describe it briefly, is that digital technology enables modern migrants to, like, they're basically hovering in an entirely parallel cultural and economic ecosystem, but it's online, right?
		So if you think about an immigrant today in America, right?
		They can basically use their own set of banking apps.
		They're on WhatsApp.
		They're in their own sort of set of group chats.
		They're watching foreign television.
		In many cases, they don't even learn the language for, you know, for even sometimes a shockingly long period of time.
		You can meet these people who are 30 years into being an American and they don't speak English, right?
		And that's interesting to me, right?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		It's, there's, there's, from a theory perspective, right, there's been a notable shift where, you know, if you left like Stockholm in 1800 or 1850 and came to America, like it was, everything was severed, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		You came to America.
		You were an American now.
		You assimilated.
		You learned, you learned English quickly.
		And you were a part of this project fully and in every sense.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		You know, the number of these more recent migrants who are like one toe in, right? Is shocking.
unidentified		And I'm not actually convinced that like assimilation in the same sense is even possible, right?
		So I'd say, assimilation for this sort of, you know, whatever Dutch Ladder on a boat in 1840 versus the person who came in on an H-1B to do some tech job, make some money, and then send the money back to India or wherever else, it could be China, Korea.
		And you say the same thing also for the people just wandering across the border from Central and South America, right?
		It's not clear to me that actual assimilation in the digital era is even possible, right?
		I think we'll see.
		I would actually encourage people to study this.
		Is assimilation even happening broadly?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		Like last time I was in New York City, just based on my read of the situation, I didn't see it happening, actually.
unidentified		That's just my honest assessment.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		Like these, most people did not seem like Americans there.
unidentified		And so, you know, I think we should support, you know, this is basically an extremely relevant question as we return to the, if, if the digital, if the digital space becomes a little bit more, let's say, AI slop focused and we're forced now into more in-person type interactions.
		And this is the way that we sort of move forward, it matters who your neighbors are, and it matters that they speak the same language as you.
		Even, you know, as today, you know, maybe your neighbor doesn't even speak English.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		I mean, the fact that I even have strong opinions on which style of Latin American cuisine is the best is an indication that assimilation is completely broken down.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		Because why should I even know that?
unidentified		Which style is the best?
		Which style is the best?
		Dude, I gotta say, like, I've been big on the Colombian recently.
		I don't know what it is.
		You know, maybe it's because the World Cup's coming up that gets you fired up.
		Are you pandering?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		Are you pandering to the Colombians?
unidentified		Maybe I am.
		Maybe I am.
		I don't know.
		It could be.
		It could be.
		But, well, I mean, that's fascinating.
		And that's going to send me down a rabbit hole this afternoon.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But one more thing I wanted to ask you about.
unidentified		There had previously been this discourse.
		I put a tweet out about how the local, if you look in your local Facebook marketplace in your region, you will see that the used truck market, the value of those trucks has crashed.
		And I suspect it's because the ICE raids have freed up the supply of used trucks.
		What other benefits do you think mass deportations will have for Americans that are like little tangible stuff like that, little treats?
		So actually, you put me onto this.
		So I was looking on Facebook Marketplace and it was true.
		There were all of these sort of, you know, let's say decade-old trucks selling for incredibly cheap prices.
		So yeah, so there are a variety of different potential benefits.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼		I mean, one of the most obvious ones is just going to be housing.
unidentified		Healthcare is probably the other one.
		You know, emergency rooms.
		I'm really good.
		I'm good friends with a doctor out here currently.
		And, you know, if you talk with an ER doctor about what percent of patients who come in through the emergency room are basically illegal migrants who are using that as their primary mechanism of just getting health care.
		So it might not actually be a true emergency.
		A lot of times it's sort of like this middle ground where it's like they're ill, right?
		And so, you know, you do want to care about people and we do want to care for them.
		And I am glad that they're getting treatment.
		But like this is not good for our, you know, if your grandmother falls and you need her to get care in the emergency room right away, it's not good that there's a line of illegal immigrants there in the emergency room sort of clogging up what is supposed to be a like it's supposed to be an institution for Americans in an emergency.
		And somehow it's become an institution for illegals who are feeling a little ill.
		So maybe hospitals are one.
		And then yes, as deportations accelerate, there should be regions of America, especially more urban regions that where housing becomes available and especially where it becomes more secure to or safe to live.
		So there are large sections of sort of urban and suburban neighborhoods in America where a lot of families don't feel safe necessarily living there.
		They won't always describe it that way.
		Like they'll want to live somewhere a little bit nicer or whatever.
		But a lot of it has to do with just migrant crime and things like that.
		And once the migrants are gone, young families can move in, taken by the home with the wife and kids.
		And I think that these are serious benefits.
		Maybe one last one that I'll mention is also on the education front.
		Look up what some of the public schools in major American cities are dealing with in terms of the number of languages, right?
		It's like there are teachers who are trying to teach 150 different languages in the same school.
		It's just not achievable.
		Then you go up to college, right?
		Harvard University is 28%, 28% non-citizen students, right?
		And I would like to say those are spots that should have gone to, should have gone, you know, I hope that in the future those go to like our kids and grandkids and things like that.
		But you know, that should have gone to more JD Vance type figures and not and not sort of foreigners.
		And so there's a number of ways in which our institutions are basically being grifted upon by bad actors who kind of have one toe in the system.
		And, you know, I think if we, by removing them, we actually unlock quite a lot for young people in America.
		And it's going to be a hard thing to deport them.
		But on the back end of it, I expect a golden age.
		I love it.
		Well, sadly, we're out of time.
		I think this requires like two, three hours to really delve because we just had to just hit 111.
		There's so many different ways we could have gone.
		But dude, thank you for joining me.
		Where can people find you to get some more?
		Yeah, of course.
		Yeah.
		Thanks for having me on, Tate.
		So I'm on Twitter, Nathan Halberstadt.
		I'll spell my last name.
		It's H-A-L-B-E-R-S-T-A-D-T.
		And then I'm at New Founding.
		So we're on Twitter.
		Just go at NewFounding.
		We're also, we have a website, newfounding.com.
		Again, we're a venture firm focused on critical civilizational problems.
		I'd say if you're a founder, feel free to reach out.
		You can just DM me on Twitter or DM the New Founding handle.
		And if you're interested in investing too, we run a venture rolling fund and always happy to sort of bring patriots on board, whether just to join our network or to become a founder that we back or if you want to put dollars behind the projects.
		Excited to talk to those sorts of people as well.
		Dude, well, I love it.
		Thanks for coming on, man.
		We'll catch you next time.
		Of course.
		Thanks, Date.
		See you.
		All righty.
		Well, that was the Nathan Halberstadt, the chart master.
		I would say that's a well-earned name.
		High IQ Patriot, as I like to dub that sphere.
		They're all great guys.
		So yeah, that will wrap up our noon live show.
	We will be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
	Hopefully Tim, Tim was saying he should be back for it.
	So hopefully he'll be back.
	We got Kevin Sorbo and Gavin McInnis, I believe, as the guests.
	So this is going to be a monster show.
	Yeah, thanks for tuning in.
	You can find me on X and Instagram at RealTate Brown.
	Like I said, we'll be back tonight, and we will see you there.

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