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Aug. 19, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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Gavin Newsom SURGES In Polls, COPIES Trump's Style
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He's getting healthy.
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Let's get into the news.
We got this from Newsweek.
Gavin Newsom surges in 2028 presidential primary poll.
Everyone loves him.
He's so great.
Everyone knows what he stands for.
He's definitely not a shyster at all.
He's definitely not a sleazy slimeball slick back hair.
He's definitely a real person, right?
Absolutely.
He has to be.
Support for California governor Gavin Newsom as a possible Democratic presidential candidate in 2028 has surged over the past four months, a new poll shows.
Newsweek tried to contact Newsom via email for comment after normal business hours.
What to know?
The new poll conducted by Echelon Insights.
has Newsom in second place among presidential candidates with thirteen percent support behind former vice president Kamala Harris with twenty six percent.
The survey was taken from august fourteenth to august eighteenth, which would be what like Friday to now or yesterday, with a three point six margin of error among one thousand fifty seven registered voters.
The same poll published by this company or insider, whatever you want to call them in April had Newsom in sixth place with four percent behind Pete Buttigieg and AOC, who are both on seven percent and Harris again is in first place with twenty eight percent.
The new poll has Pete, Mayor Pete, as you know him and love him.
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Anyway, he's in third place, 11%.
AOC's in fourth place with 6%.
So what's going on, AOC?
She's going to be dropping down a little bit.
The California governor has been punching back at Trump over the past few weeks, particularly in the war of words over redistricting.
Meanwhile, his press office has turned its social media feed into a stream of all caps posts, pop culture parodies, and AI edited meme content aimed squarely at mocking Trump in style while countering Republican initiatives.
this is just if you've been on twitter over the last few days you've seen you've been i shouldn't say seen you've been subjected to this crap um and democrats like this i guess i mean democrats have you know garbage taste apparently because look at this he's surging in the polls right he's jumped to second place by kamala which makes sense she has the name recognition right now um she was just a nominee a lot of experts expect that support to
fade, especially if they want to win.
Polymarket is saying the same thing.
We looked at it yesterday.
We took a look yesterday and she or Gavin was at 20%.
He's bumped up to 24%.
So this is yesterday when we were looking, oh wait, let's see.
Yeah, right about there.
19, 20%.
And they have AOC in second.
And if you go down, this is one, two, three, four, five, six.
Kam was in, what is that, seventh place?
I'm not good at counting.
I was homeschooled, but seventh place by Gretchen Whitmer out of all people.
So yeah, it's getting wild in the Democrat primary, potential primary field.
Clearly, Gavin has national ambitions because he spends more time talking about other states and their governors than his own state.
That's abundantly clear that he has national ambitions.
We walked through some of these candidates yesterday.
I mean, AOC, obviously, sometimes it seems like the right-wing media wants her to be the nominee more than the left-wing media because people are always talking about AOC for president, AOC for president.
I mean, it is good news and it's interesting to think about.
Obviously, she would probably get stomped because she has terribly unpopular policies with the average American.
Pete Buttigieg, who, I mean, they've been trying to, the press has been trying to prop up for years as a viable presidential candidate when, I mean, what is his biggest win ever was probably putting a bike lane in in South Bend.
I don't know what the deal is with this guy.
I don't even know what he did as press secretary or was he transportation secretary, you know, besides buying kids.
That's like all he did for four years.
We got Wes Moore.
No one's ever heard of him unless you live in Maryland, Andy Bashir, who's like the elector pick because, you know, he's a moderate, sensible centrist, these sorts of things he can win in a red state, deep red Kentucky.
You know, that if they wanted to win, they could pick him, but I've said it before and I'll say it a million times is the Democrats going to.
2028 are in the same position the Republicans were in going into 2016, as the establishment and the base of the Democratic Party are not on the same page whatsoever in the exact same way that the base and the establishment was not on the same page whatsoever for the Republicans, they wanted to convince you to vote for Jeb Bush just like they had shoved Mitt Romney and John McCain down your throat the previous two elections.
And Republican voters realized, oh, you can just vote for whoever you want in the primaries.
I didn't know you could do that.
You can just do that.
Oh great.
I'll take Donald Trump, the guy that's making fun of all these Ivy League lawyers.
I have the sense, and a lot of others, that the Democrats are going to have the same dynamic at play in 2028.
Because if you look, if you talk to a Dem, I mean, you talk to the average Democrat, the way they speak about Trump, they're convinced that he's heating some sort of, or, you know, bringing some sort of fascist government, some fascist takeover.
You're not going to moderate if you think that's what you're up against.
Why would you?
You want to fight fire with fire if you're, you know, a delusional leftist, which makes that's actually the core base of the Democrat Party these days.
So if 2028 rolls around.
Sorry, Andy Bashir really?
That's what I mean, you really think the average Democrat who's furious and is convinced that their democracy's under threat is going to vote for like a moderate?
I mean, who are we kidding here?
They're going to they're going to want to go wild they're going to want to swing for the fences and people with you know with policy platforms like AOC will do well.
Gavin Newsom's kind of an interesting pick because um, well, for one, he's not very good at his job obviously.
California's really falling apart.
He can present himself like a moderate.
He's actually, you know, like I said earlier, he's kind of just doesn't really stand for anything.
He's just a, you know, big ball of hair grease, but he can present himself as a moderate.
You know, he can go on Charlie Kirk show and he can go on, you know, was it Sean Ryan show?
And, you know, he seems like he can kind of roll with them.
You know, he can hang in there.
So, you know, there is this sense that he can speak to the moderate.
The problem is if you look at his policy, because policy-wise, he's outflanked a lot of these other governors listed here.
He outflanked some on the left.
I mean, Bashir, Moore, Whitmer.
He's not, I mean, he's not a moderate with the way he governs.
So they're really doubling down.
Gavin Newsom clearly, clearly has national ambitions.
So this is what the poor users over on X have been subjected to over the last week.
We've covered this on IRL.
They're doing this weird thing where they're emulating Trump and it's kind of flattering.
Like they're basically conceding that Trump's communication style is iconic, right?
Because it is.
And they're conceding that.
And by conceding that, they're trying to use it as a way to parody, but they're not even really parodying.
They're just copying it because it's a funny way to communicate.
There's no parody here.
Like they're not mocking.
The press keeps saying.
Newsom is mocking Trump.
But this right here, wow, what an honor on Mount Rushmore.
Thank you.
That's just a funny way to communicate, right?
There's no mocking here.
Everyone's like, oh, that's how, yeah, Trump's a funny guy.
That's how he talks.
So it's hilarious that the perception from, you know, the lefty press is that he's mocking because that's just not, it seems flattering, if anything.
And you're getting these pieces, these opeds.
This was from the New York Times.
This was Sunday.
This came out Sunday.
The insidious creep of Trump's speaking style.
So this was written by mister Alexic Alexic, like a Balkan name, I guess.
He was an American linguist and the author of Algo Speak.
Many such cases, many people are saying this.
You may recognize these phrases as Trumpisms, linguistic coinages of President Trump, but they've also become ingrained in our collective vocabulary.
Since they've become popular as memes during his first presidential campaign, we've begun using them first sardonically and then out of habit.
If you search for many such cases on X, you'll see new posts of the phrase seemingly every minute.
Primarily applied to non political contexts like work anxiety or the real estate market, whatever that means.
Google Trends shows both expressions increasing in usage since the mid twenty ten s.
This is remarkable given how quickly memes typically die out.
Internet humor usually follows transient fads, but these phrases associated with the president seem to have found a more permanent home in the English language, so true, which is also a Trumpism, actually, now to think about it.
The difference is how his ideas spread and mutate through the language he uses.
mister Trump's speech evolving in the social media era is overwhelmingly entering language through online jokes, but then sticking around in our actual conversations.
The trumpisms that stay are well suited for virality and recombination through algorithmic media.
They're no longer being used and direct reference to the original joke because they can be reapplied to everyday situations.
I mean, look at the sad he's popularized sad as an interjection, frankly fake news, adding believe me on to the end of a sentence.
I mean, you can just this is a classic describing NAFTA as the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals maybe ever, maybe ever.
It's so true, which it's a trumpism.
You know, I forget that some of these are even Trumpisms, because, like I said, he's just so ubiquitous.
And the left realizes this, that he's single handedly changed the culture, and the best they can do is try to intellectualize their way out of this.
I mean, look at all this.
I mean, it's actually kind of an interesting piece.
It's worth reading.
But, I mean, the Trumpisms, they're ubiquitous.
And then this is what I loved at the bottom, it's more on Trump.
And then this is just panicking from the left that Trump's just dominating the culture.
Trumpisms just dominating the culture.
Here's an opinion piece.
We're trapped in Trump's reality.
This is how we escape it.
We're trapped.
What do we do?
The pointless triumph of a hapless president.
All right.
Trump's Oval Office is a gilded Rococo nightmare.
Help.
So it's just like these are just hope.
They're just hopeless.
They're just completely demoralized.
And this is so weird because the first, I remember the first administration as the resistance and they really felt like they had a lot of ammo.
They really felt like that they were going to push back and this Trump thing was just going to be a weird moment in history and they were going to put everything back in the box.
And that's what they thought happened with Biden.
They said finally and then they thought they could throw him in jail and that would be the last you ever heard of Donald Trump.
Fast forward three years.
Ben Rhodes puts very well, this is exactly what's going on, is we are trapped in Trump's reality.
That's exactly what's going on, and it's a beautiful thing.
He explains how we escape it.
I don't think you can.
How do you escape it?
I mean, look at all these words that are just entrenched in the American lexicon.
Look at Gavin Newsom, his political strategy is just emulate Trump, and also every Republican's political strategy is emulate Trump.
There is no way out of that.
And not just that, beyond that, they're emulating ideas that stem from Trump's sphere, his online sphere, his intellectual sphere, like the sphere of his supporters.
I'm used to grabbing my glasses because it's like a weird tick I had.
They weren't there.
I just did that like I'm, you know, mega minded or whatever.
Or Mr. X. That's what he does.
Anyway, this is from Gavin Newsom's Twitter.
He's quote tweeting this tweet here from young Putin.
Interesting.
It's an interesting name for an elected governor to quote.
Anyway, this is a comparison, Gavin Newsom versus JD Vance in high school.
So, you know, this is what they call a mog now.
This is what it is.
This is just, this is a weird, this is a weird, weird, weird kind of thing for a Democrat, a leftist.
to endorse because this is an endorsement of physiogamy, which is a more like dissident right wing kind of theory, right?
Which is that to a certain degree, your value as a human manifests in like your physical appearance.
This is an idea that's prominent on the right.
Surge is making a face.
And you have Gavin Newsom, the Democrat presumably Democrat front runner or one of the front runners just endorsing, endorsing this.
I mean, if that doesn't show how much right wing thought and Trumpism is in the driver's seat in this country, I don't know what is, is that the Democrats' best strategy is to basically speak like Trump, to communicate like Trump and to endorse dissident right wing political ideas.
I mean, this is hilarious social ideas.
I mean, it's absolutely hilarious.
Of course, this is in juxtaposition to the reality of, you know, take one photo because you can't really, that's the kind of where a lot of this stuff falls short, is you can't really judge things from one photo.
Here's a great example of, well, okay, this is funny.
You know, JD Vance is a little more dorky, you know, he's dorky, but that's relatable.
He's a Husky patriot.
There's a lot of us.
I was a Husky patriot in high school.
Compared to Gavin Newsom, you know, what's he doing over here?
This looks like, you know, I don't have the media literacy to know what this photography style is, but it's definitely artistic, artisanal, alt, if you will.
But then what were they up to after high school graduation?
Well, JD Vance, because he is a Middle American patriot, went to the Marines.
That's what, you know, he came from a low-income background, and he saw the Marines as a good ticket out, and he seized on that.
And then Gavin Newsom, I don't know what he was up to after high school graduation.
He's just in a chair.
I think that's what he did for a few years., he just kind of sat and looked at people.
Because, you know, who knows what his politics were?
Does anybody know?
Who knows?
Anyway, so that's what they are up to, JD Vance, Patriot.
And to a certain extent, this kind of antipathizes a bit of the resentment that's brewing among heritage Americans, right?
That's what a lot of people say, a lot of people in Middle America fly over country as it's been deemed, is just the arrogance and the arrogance of these coastal elite.
And that's exactly what you're seeing here.
Surge is highlighting something.
I never realized that's a.
that's a men's bathroom.
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Yeah.
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This photo is shared a lot.
Like it's some sort of dunk.
But I'm like, I mean, there's something to be said that these, these ladies here feel very safe around JD Vance.
I mean, in the men's room.
In the men's room, which is an interesting dynamic going on.
I don't know if Gavin Newsom, there's a lot going on here with a scarf.
Look, if I have daughters, which I, you know, we'll see what happens.
I'm just going to directly tell him, don't trust a man wearing a scarf.
Okay.
It's performative, you know.
What's next?
He's me listening to Claro and drinking matcha.
I mean, give me a break.
So stay free from the scarfs, ladies.
Anyway, Gavin Newsom's tweets are written by these two.
This is via, I don't know what I'm saying, and wokeness.
So, you know, they're doing this cunning little routine here.
You know, they've they've been sitting down at boardrooms for hours trying to deliberate.
How are we going to present Gavin Newsom to the American people?
How are we going to pitch him?
You know, everyone's afraid of him because he's, you know, drove the state into a ground and he's like a evil communist, how are we going to pitch him to Middle America?
And these two, this blue haired lady and this guy with a bow tie stand up and they say, let's just copy everything Trump does and endorse right wing thought.
Brilliant.
This is brilliant.
And it's paid off because Polymarket says he's at 24% chance of becoming the nominee.
So, yeah, shout out to these two actually, Megan Kelly says tracks.
Yeah.
Yeah, it really does.
So this is the, yeah, the peanut gallery operating, uh, behind the scenes here.
Uh, yeah, we're, we're on you.
We're not really going to fall for these games, um, from the Coastals, as I've begun to call them, um, and I say this as an exiled New Yorker, but I am a Tennessee boy at heart, so I do, um, you know, I do share a bit of the distrust of the Coastals trying to sell something to you and a lot of states are reacting.
They are reacting.
They are putting up, they're playing defense, um, against these games that are being playedyed, these gaslighting, these psyops.
Shout out to the state of Oklahoma.
This is from the Washington Post.
Oklahoma will test some incoming teachers with a quote America First exam.
Yo.
Yeah, that's hype.
Teachers from New York and California who apply to teach in Oklahoma will now have to answer questions meant to screen out quote woke indoctrinations with left-wing views.
The latest attempt by Oklahoma officials to push the state's education system rightward.
Whoa.
Oh, no, no.
Oh, geez.
Yeah, maybe they won't be like transing kids anymore.
That's the rightward shift.
They won't be teaching white kids that they're evil.
That's the lurch right word that we'll probably see here.
The test's fifty questions will cover topics about US government, religion, and gender, according to examples shared by the Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters, or it's a strange name, no, I'm just kidding.
Teachers unions have criticized the move as a political stunt that will discourage applicants as Oklahoma faces a teacher shortage.
Walters announced plans to administer the test at a state education board meeting in July in which he said California and New York, the nation's two largest blue states have teaching standards considered antithetical to Oklahoma's.
It's probably true.
Exhibit A is anyone you ever met from California or New York.
Prager University, a nonprofit that produces educational materials emphasizing patriotic and conservative values, developed the exam.
We're not bringing in woke indoctrinators into the classroom, Walters told The Washington Post on Monday, adding, it's a very America-first approach.
Walters has courted controversy for previous efforts to shape Oklahoma schools, including distributing Bibles and classrooms and backing a proposal to teach high schoolers that there were discrepancies in the 2020 election.
He supported the unsuccessful effort to create the nation's first public religious charter school in Oklahoma that culminated in a deadlocked Supreme Court ruling in May.
So essentially what Mr. Walters is doing here is he's just trying to set the education standards at like what things would have been like maybe 20, 30 years ago.
I don't know how you can, I mean, this was the same conversation we had when the DOE, the Department of Education, was, you know, being disbanded, is people on the left were freaking out about it.
They're freaking out about this, and it's just like.
Can you honestly say that education has been heading in the right direction in this country, I mean, for a prolonged period of time, certainly over the last few decades, can we seriously say that education standards have improved?
Can you seriously say that America's youth are coming out with more well-rounded educations?
That's a really tough case to make, and you can't find really any data that supports that.
Just like go to a DMV, you'll see that Americans are getting dumber and they're missing out on a lot of important aspects of education and matriculation.
And so shout out to the state of Oklahoma, shout out to Ryan Walters here.
This is brilliant.
You can't just let, I mean, you see so many of these TikToks of these teachers.
Oh my gosh, these teachers, they come in and they impose their, you know, alphabet mafia rhetoric on these children.
They go in there and they teach white children that they're evil.
And typically, these are white teachers teaching that.
So they're basically just teaching kids to hate themselves.
And we're in an environment where kids already hate themselves and the government tells them to just take pills to make that feeling go away.
So the last thing we need is these teachers doubling down, which they often do.
The mental health stuff they're always pushing on them, basically just teaching them everything about them as evil and wrong.
And this is very, this is very prevalent in the state of New York.
and the state of California.
So shout out to Oklahoma.
This should be standard.
Every red state should be implementing this, not just for incoming teachers from blue states, but just for teachers in general.
This should be the standard.
if red states are serious about protecting the youth's future um you know you got to go you got to go deeper than you know banning transgender swimmers or whatever which is important right that's we don't want that but you got to And a lot of this is what they're being taught in these schools.
And these woke indoctrinators, they're everywhere.
They're very preeminent.
They're very prominent, rather, that would be the word to use.
So yes, this should be the standard for red states.
Oklahoma is leading the charge here.
This should be the standard.
Yeah.
Well, I want to switch gears a little bit here and I want to talk ICE and immigration.
We're going to be joined in about five minutes by Nathan Halberstad of Newfounding.
He was on IRL recently.
You may have saw him on there, but if you don't know him, you're in for a treat.
I call him the chart master.
If you've seen a viral chart on Twitter recently, any chart, he probably has his finger in it.
He's involved somehow.
He is the chart master.
So we're going to bring him in.
We're going to be discussing a lot of these trends that we're seeing around immigration, around housing, finances, broadly speaking.
It's going to be great.
You're in for a treat.
Just trust me.
You're going to love it.
But yeah, let's shift gears here.
First, I wanted to start, I want to talk about ICE a little bit.
I want to talk about immigration, kind of these updates, also the crackdowns in DC.
Reach for the glasses again.
I don't know what I'm doing here.
I wanted to open up with this tweet though.
This is from Tony Moon, who is the OG Rooftop Korean, which is fascinating that he's on Twitter.
It's hilarious that you can just go and see what he's up to.
He had this tweet yesterday.
Gang warfare in LA now includes calling ICE on your rivals.
Now, obviously, I couldn't find any press that was talking about this because that would be pretty tough to determine, I suppose.
But I just want to put this out there.
Does anybody have any confirmation that this is happening?
Because that's really funny.
That's just like side note.
That's hilarious if that's happening, if gangs are calling Ice on each other.
Please let me know and figure out how we can increase that, how we can raise awareness among the gang community that you can just use Ice to get rid of people, make them leave the country.
That would be beautiful.
But yeah, if we can get some confirmation on it, that'd be great.
I just wanted to put that in there.
You probably saw this doing the rounds yesterday.
There was this, I don't even know if we can show the video.
You've probably seen this.
Yeah, so I'll pause right there.
It's a really gruesome video.
Is these truckers who evidently entered the country illegally, they got a CDL in Gavin Newsom's California.
And they were in Florida and they just do an illegal U-turn because in India you can do that.
Can't do that in the United States, obviously, because it res results in death.
And yes, if you've been on the roads recently, you have noticed the dip in driving quality from truck drivers.
I think everyone can resonate with this, including American truck drivers.
I've also I put a tweet out the other day and it's true is I'm noticing an increase in billboards in Hindi for truck stops or advertising Indian food.
So it's becoming a huge problem and homeland security is all over it.
Three innocent people were killed in Florida because Gavin Newsom's California DMV issued an illegal alien a commercial driver's license.
The state of governance is asinine.
Sorry about that.
How many more innocent people have to die before Gavin Newsom stops playing games with the safety of the American people.
We pray for the victims and their families.
Secretary Noam and DHS are working around the clock to protect the public and get these criminal, illegal aliens out of America.
So yeah, this everything, at least talk about immigration, you see people on the left and they say, Well, I don't care how people come into the country.
Why should I care?
I mean, you'll care when three people that you know and love, or presumably that's how many, yeah, here it says right here, three Americans.
You'll know when three people you know and love are killed because of the foolish behavior of these illegals here.
And especially because they're being done at the hands of Democrats.
Like Florida's got their basis covered here, right?
The Alligator Alcatraz, the Florida government is definitely endorsing ICE's operations.
It's these states like California pushing back is just leading to Americans dying for no reason.
And just absurd, absurd.
We don't have to live like this.
This was an interesting study a few years ago from the annual review of political studies talking about diversity and social trust, about how immigration just across the board is leading to a decline in social trust.
And I mean, you're seeing it right here with just basic institutions breaking down.
And then obviously you have the more broad theme of social trust breaking down, which everyone's aware of.
And if you don't accept that presupposition, then why do you have your doors locked?
And that was not a ubiquitous thing in the United States not too long ago.
It's a fascinating study.
And the abstract here is they have found a we find a statistically significant negative relationship between ethnic diversity and social trust across all studies, which obviously immigration just, you know, skyrockedets, skyrockets, ethnic diversity, diversity of religion, diversity of thought, everything.
It just basically dilutes your country's culture, et cetera, et cetera.
CIS, the Center for Immigration Studies, backed this up.
They broke down this study further.
We're kind of running, we've got a little time crunch here, so I can't get into it too deep, but this is a fascinating read.
And the social trust, I mean, we're seeing it all across every metric.
This was the viral graph from Nathan, who we're going to be joined here by shortly.
The estimated percentage of thirty-year-olds who are both married and homeowners was over fifty percent in 1960, and then just plummets, plummets to now where we're at like eight percent.
I mean, look, I'm not directly correlating this to immigration, but it's so obvious that social trust in the United States and quality of life, broadly speaking, has just cratered in this country.
And immigration is a huge part of it.
I mean, if you don't know who your neighbors are and where they come from and how they think, I mean, how are we supposed to how are we supposed to mend this?
Mend this shattered fabric, social fabric?.
Tucker Carlson and Aron McIntyre had a great discussion yesterday discussing this about how we're going to have to define what an American is because as the ICE operation ramps up further, that's going to be a very important question to ask.
So on things on topics of social trust, immigration, everything broadly speaking, we're going to bring Nathan Halberstad in here.
We're getting it set up.
Hello Nathan, can you hear me?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I can hear you.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Dude, what's up?
So thanks for coming on.
Can you tell the viewers who you are, what you do?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, my name is Nathan Halberstad.
I work at New Founding.
We're a venture firm focused on critical civilizational problems.
For the most part, we're looking at investing in founders who're sort of doge tier type individuals for young patriots who are trying to build important things for the future of America.
And I'm super excited to be here.
Everyone recently has been talking about Take Cast.
Wow.
I was listening to the front half of the show and you didn't just call yourself a patriot, I guess you called yourself a former Husky patriot.
That's true.
You have to lock that away for the future.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's true.
I mean, look, God made me love so much.
He made a little extra of me.
That's what my grandmother told me as a child as a Husky.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
That's right.
I'm going to deploy that in the future, probably later today with a few people.
Let's go.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Let's talk about the song soft launch.
Yeah, soft launch.
Well, I wanted to get into it.
We were discussing the ICE situation and also the last few days we've been discussing the DC crackdown pretty extensively.
I know you were in El Salvador recently and you had some thoughts on how El Salvador's approach to these sorts of social disorder themes has been.
Can you maybe break that down now that you're back in the States?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, so I just got back from the land of the philosopher King.
King Bukele and so I was in San Salvador which is the the capital of El Salvador and you know this ice used to be the crime capital of the world.
And in just a short number of years, it's now incredibly safe.
And I was looking at some of the data just before coming on the show on tapecast.
And it's actually quite shocking.
And you feel it when you're out there.
So I was walking around at night.
About every other block does have an armed soldier on the corner.
Now, that actually adds to a sense of security in an interesting way, although it is a sign of the former difficulties of the country.
But just comparing it to D.C., if you're walking around DuPont Circle in D.C. or around the El Salvador, everybody was friendly.
It was nice.
Just walk around 10 p.m. midnight.
El Salvador went from the murder and crime capital of the world to, they have a homicide rate of around 2.
per 100,000 people, whereas in Washington, D.C., we're at 27,000 people, right?
So, you know, we have more than 10 times the rate of this place that is basically or was formerly dominated by cartels.
And so to me, the interesting story here is that, I mean, I used to live in D.C., right?
And crime was kind of a problem.
It still is.
You know, I posted a photo on Twitter of, you know, one mile from the White House, $4 toothpaste is locked up.
And people will try to tell you that crime is down, but it's obviously not in a place like D.C. And, you know, most saliently recently, our boy, uh, know heroic patriot big balls was uh he was attacked and you know and he's working with doge he's helping help, helping serve the country.
And he was attacked brutally.
There's a photo of him out in front of an ambulance just sort of bleeding on the street.
So, I mean, it's really excellent to see Trump bringing the National Guard in.
And I think really the lesson of El Salvador is that like this stuff works.
It gives you criminals the crime rate, right?
It went from significantly higher to one tenth of our crime rate in just a couple of years.
I saw a post also just recently from the DC Police Union.
I think they posted this yesterday.
It's like at the DC Police Union.
And it shows that in DC, just since the announcement of federal controls, just in the past seven days, robbery down 46%, car jacking down 83%, violent crime down 22%, et cetera, et cetera.
So, you know, it just shows if you just actually enforce the law, you can solve a lot of these problems.
So, you know, I think being in El Salvador, El Salvador is still poor.
It still has its issues.
It's kind of this interesting mix of, you know, sort of native people on the way up and sort of like international Bitcoiners and such who I admire them out there in San Salvador, but you know, I'm pretty optimistic about that we could learn a few things here in America.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I think it's the shift that's happening.
I mean, Bukele probably had a part to play in it as far as, you know, demonstrating to the right wing, rising elite that you can wield power in effective ways.
But it is refreshing to see that Trump is very aware of the mechanisms that he has at his disposal and doesn't seem to be afraid to deploy those mechanisms whenever he needs, as we're seeing in DC.
But the kind of bigger issue, I mean, obviously cleaning up our cities is a priority, but you're not going to really solve the root of those issues without addressing the immigration, specifically the illegal immigration problem.
And that's where he's really beefed up ice.
I mean, that was a priority of the big beautiful bill was, you know, allocating billions and billions of dollars to ice.
But I was talking, I mean, I was covering earlier that you probably saw it was the trucker in Florida who killed three Americans because he decided to do an India-style U-turn in the middle of the highway.
I mean, you're the chart master.
That's what I dubbed you earlier.
What sort of, what sort of ways are you seeing immigration impacting social trust in a more sort of specific way?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that's the right question.
I think we see in the data that, you know, over the past few decades., social trust has been declining.
And to be really specific, what we mean by social trust is if there is a stranger next to you, let's say in your town or city, somebody who's just walking by, you can sort of survey somebody.
I'm like, are you likely to trust them or not?
Right.
So how reliable do you expect that person to be who's sort of around you in your location?
And what we've seen over time is that people's response to that has been declining drastically.
So where it used to be the case that somebody who, you know, you sort of going by on the street, you could sort of plausibly ask them for help with something or, you know, have some casual conversation in line or whatever else, you know, increasingly people are shifting away from that.
And there's a lot of theories in terms of what's actually driving this.
I think technology is something that is definitely playing a role.
You know, the fact that they're just on their phones more.
So we can't discount some of those explanations.
But the role that migration has played, I think, is is is under discussed.
So, you know, the fact of the matter is that when you're surrounded by people who don't share your values or your life ways, maybe don't even speak the same language as you, you know, you can't really count on them because you know you might ask for something or ask them a question and you it's really quite unpredictable how they'd respond because they could be from from anywhere sort of believe anything again there's no guarantee they will even be able to understand you and you know in certain in certain major american cities you get to a point where you know new york chicago etc boston you know 25 to 50 percent of the population is foreign
born.
At those sorts of levels, it becomes just the case that you can't really trust anybody around you.
No idea where they're from.
You don't really know what their agenda is.
And to come back to this trucker incident, right?
So this is, you know, this was a trucker who came into America, did not have papers, somehow got a commercial driver's license.
And I think that that's something that has to be looked at more closely.
I saw at least some sort of a note that the Trump administration is looking at doing paper checks basically at truck weighing stations.
I absolutely support that.
But you can sort of imagine a situation where somebody came in from, let's say India.
They came to America.
and they learned to drive elsewhere.
And all of a sudden they're driving this massive piece of metal at 80 miles per hour.
And there's just no telling what they're going to do.
You might have a daughter or a niece or something who's driving.
And it's similar to, you could think about foreign doctors and nurses and things like that.
If they're coming to America, we want to do a whole series of vetting, checking, relicensing them.
You don't really want to accept a surgery from somebody.
from some other part of the world.
And you don't really know what their experience level is.
You don't really know where they learned, et cetera, et cetera.
It would be good in America if we sort of made sure that the people who are on the roads are, let's say, trained and should actually be on our roads.
And that means removing illegal immigrants from our roads for the most part.
And that's just one piece of this sort of whole social trust thing, right?
It's like, you know, you can't rely on the person next to you on the road now.
Right.
And that's that's sort of a scary part about where all this is.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I mean, there's already enough female drivers.
Do we really need these illegal?
I mean, geez, right?
No, I'm just kidding.
We love females, especially female drivers.
But yeah, I mean, that's the thing is I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, do we really have a shortage of truckers in this country?
I mean, I don't recall seeing any headlines or articles.
To me, this just seems like an underhanded attempt by these logistics companies to undercut Americans.
And we're seeing this all across the board.
The H1B situation obviously is in desperate need of addressing.
I mean, I know you've hit on the H1B visa situation really hard.
You're obviously in tech adjacent, tech industry.
What are you seeing on the H1B front?
I mean, are we moving in a good direction on this or what?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, you raised a really excellent point here, which is, you know, isn't, I mean, we have, let's say in the truck or industry, right?
You know, AI is coming right around the bend here.
And so I think it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a national priority to make sure that our existing American truck drivers continue to thrive, right?
And whatever that looks like, there's probably some level of protectionism.
There's probably some, there's a variety of things we can get into here.
But basically autonomous driving is going to seriously cut down the number of, or has the potential to seriously cut down the number of available trucking jobs.
If at the same time, we're just giving away the remaining truck jobs to whatever they are, whether it's H1Bs or just any sort of foreign labor.
you know, that's adding pressure to an already quite difficult situation.
So, you know, if we think about the H1B situation more broadly, there was a report in Fortune mag that, and this was about two weeks ago, that 60% of new college grads from the class of 2025.
So these are the guys that you and I know who are just graduating right now, guys and girls who are wrapping up their college education, 60% of them are unemployed or underemployed.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
And they just graduated in May.
It's now mid-August.
And so when you hear these stories about young people who are unhappy with sort of this set of available opportunities, you have to understand that this is like there is a burning platform here.
There's a serious problem.
Now, it's not all about the H1Bs.
It's probably two things.
Again, it's AI.
Increasingly, ChatGPT and other AI tools can do entry-level.
Let's say analysts and associate level work.
An associate of law firm, you know, they used to do all the reading through things and now ChatGPT can do it.
Analysts used to, you know, make slide decks and make graphs, et cetera, et cetera.
You can kind of just, you can, as more senior person, can just prompt that.
So there's a little bit of a situation where the ladder's coming up naturally.
But I think then that makes people much more sensitive to the fact that when they see the ladder coming up, but the people who are grabbing the ladder are H1Bs, they're not even Americans.
That's something that I think is extremely politically sensitive and it should be.
You know, those, those opportunities should be going to Americans.
And the economy is shifting in a whole bunch of different ways and uh you know we need to make sure basically that there are opportunities for young people it's not just about like handing out jobs left and right that are meaningless it's like helping them to find things that are meaningful that they can build a life with and whether it's help you know encouraging them to become founders in companies or just joining ice and certainly helping helping save the homeland or whatever it is you know we need we need to step in and make sure that there are serious job opportunities where you know they can they can get married have kids buy a home And if we're failing on that,
then we're failing on everything.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, you just see all these metrics like you're bringing up.
You're seeing these headlines coming out of how radical Zoomers and now we're starting to see Gen Alpha's politics are, how distrustful they are of institutions, how distrustful they are of, let's just say, the establishment, broadly speaking.
It's tough to see a situation in which you don't get a violent, maybe not violent, but a visceral reaction from the younger generations.
I mean, I would assume that getting out of this and giving Zoomers opportunity is just a matter of national security at this point.
I mean, if you consider the palpable anger that you're seeing from that generation or this generation, our generation.
I mean, it just feels like a ticking time bomb, really.
I mean, I don't know if you're seeing this on your end.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, and I think there's just enough specific examples floating around that Gen Alpha and Gen Z have access to.
You know, there was an example about a month back, and there was this gentleman.
His name was Soham Perek.
And he was, you know, he's from India.
He essentially was in some sort of a debt situation.
He said that he was in some sort of a bind, basically.
And he came to America, and he was rotating up to six jobs at a time, sort of engineer jobs at Y Combinator tier startups.
So these are excellent.
So think about like an Uber in its earlier stages or something like this.
So he was rotating through around six of them at a time, getting fired, though.
And then as soon as he got fired, you just get another one because he wasn't doing a good job.
It's quite difficult to do a good job across this.
But basically, he was harvesting six probably, what, $200K a year salaries at a time.
he was clearing over a million a year but but not delivering any value and taking jobs from young Americans like my friends were actually applying for those jobs.
They were trying to get engineer jobs in those Y-commerce.
And actually, a lot of them didn't get those jobs, right?
And so that's where this gets a little bit more interesting, right?
And so he was invited on TVPN to do an interview.
And then during that interview, again, he said, like, you know, I did this because of some debt or duress.
And then, but then he sort of rapidly pivots and says, but I don't care about the money.
I just want to build, right?
And that's like, that's such an obvious lie.
Like any, any Gen Z or Gen Z person just looks at that and goes like, okay, here's a foreign grifter who's abusing our labor market.
And, and, and, like notably, he's in the visa process to come here to the United States.
the united states permanently right um so so like like you know i i think i'm a pretty i'm a moderate guy like i'm not i'm not i'm an american uh i want there to be i want there to be jobs and opportunities and things for like for you know like my siblings and my friends and you know my kids and grandkids and like you know we can't We can't have that and also have hundreds of thousands of so-ham-perex sort of swimming around doing this sort of stuff.
And those stories are just so available to us now, right?
They were probably not as available.
Was CNN covering this sort of stuff?
Would it have even gotten coverage pre-social media?
Probably not.
So, you know, again, I'm like personally against him, you know, somebody like this, somebody's drifting off of our labor market, you know, it would be an interesting question.
That was about a month back.
Like, what, is he still in the visa process?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
You know, is he, is he, is he in America right now?
Like, should he be in America right now?
Those are, I think, very, very, you know, rational questions to ask.
And I think if you, if you care at all about, about the next generation of Americans, you know, you need to hold a harder line on these issues, especially given what we're going to be going through with AI.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, well, it, I mean, it really just begs the question of like, if I'm an American citizen, what, what is the point of being an American citizen if I'm having to compete with the entire world for domestic, you know, domestic resources like housing and jobs and whatnot.
I mean, you're seeing in the UK this problem on steroids where there's article after article there where they're like, we have to build four million houses or we're going to have like a homelessness crisis.
And then they're also simultaneously allowing millions of migrants in a year who the vast majority of them are not providing an upgrade in any department.
And oftentimes they end up on social housing.
Obviously, the situation is a bit different in America because we don't have, you know, super extensive social programs here.
But we do.
The ones that we do have we are starting to see maybe not starting we've been seeing um yeah migrants coming in and just immediately uh utilizing these these resources i mean minnesota is a great example um that's a rabbit hole that i would encourage tim guest viewers to go down specifically relating to their elected officials um i mean i mean without mass deportations i mean where are we going to be is the uk really our future Well, hopefully not.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Hopefully not.
I mean, at least in London and some of these other cities, it's getting quite ugly.
You know, the United Kingdom, one of the problems that they face is basically that the right in the United Kingdom is less serious.
I mean, the Tories are fundamentally unserious, I would say.
And beyond that as well, they, you know, any sort of opposition to mass migration is crushed.
They don't have the same level of free speech.
So those are two things that really, I think, hold them back.
So I think we should be very thankful here in America that we have free speech.
And I would say MAGA is a serious right-wing party.
I'm sure there are ways that it could always be improved, but I think there's a lot to be grateful for here, and I think we're making forward progress.
In terms of just more broadly, where does all of this go for Americans?
And how should average investors, business owners, even young people be thinking about the political, cultural, macro situation?
This guides a lot of our investing, I would say, in startups.
I think that the challenges that Gen Z and Gen Alpha are facing in combination with everything else going on in the world lead us to think that this will be an era of greater instability, greater political radicalism, of course.
Deglobalization is another theme that we think a lot about.
So in a world where people are more conscious of people like Soran Parek, who we just talked about, and more opposed to it, expect.ing more tariffs to go up, expecting more focus on sort of domestic labor.
And really what a lot of that should hopefully do is actually begin to solve the social trust problem.
And like a society cannot survive if the social trust gets low enough.
If you can't count on anybody, then you're like not a society anymore.
You're just a bunch of individual people, maybe families, maybe groups of friends.
And so we think a lot about sort of repositioning for that sort of new economic and social paradigm.
And so I think for business owners and such, it's thinking about how you actually get ahead of this.
Right.
There are there probably interesting regulations and policy shifts, just like the tariffs going in place that but beyond the tariffs, it's not just going to be that there's more coming.
And and then the other thing that I would mention just for people in general is, you know, as you think about like AI slop on the Internet and just like the effects of AI across the board, you know, AI is going to replace a lot of it's very likely to replace a lot of types of work that in some ways we rely on either like foreign labor for.
And it should transfer a lot of value to a very capable young American.
Americans if they are high agency enough and they leverage AI effectively.
But AI slop on the internet, I anticipate continuing to be a problem like you can imagine a world where you know we're messaging back and forth about coming on the show today and i i message you and you have some ai agent that actually just replies to me and we like we sort of get booked to go on this to go on the show together um but maybe neither of us even saw the message it was just our ai agents who were replying to each other now of course there are there are solutions to this and such but then you know you open your twitter feed and it's like the people liking my posts aren't real the people the posts are
generated etc etc so like what what does that world look like in my view in my view that forces a lot of people back to the in-person and in real and physical world and and that's where like in-person networks those the firm handshake, the people at your church, the people who live right next to you begins to matter a lot more because the digital ecosystem becomes less reliable.
It's like, think about how your inbox is just like so flooded with spam.
It's like, I imagine a world where that's just like, that's just like everything on the internet.
It's just increasingly, increasingly sort of a proliferation of AI slop across everything on your phone.
There'll be an arms race between that and the filters, of course.
But that's sort of some of the way that I think about what's coming for Americans in the years ahead.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, we had Nate Fisher on and he had an interesting idea.
that it makes a lot of sense and it seems to be borne out so far is that increased utilization of AI in the labor force could actually free up or eliminate a lot of these laptop jobs or a lot of these fake jobs.
And it could actually sort of force Americans to return to a more classically American way of living and structuring their families and these sorts of things.
As in, it could free up resources for these companies where they can allocate more to wages.
And we could potentially return to people being able to support a family on a single income, which is really exciting stuff but this obviously also requires restriction on immigration because if you don't have that then you're just going to have a much larger labor labor market and then it'll just be a I mean disaster but yeah yeah there are a lot of reasons yeah there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic I share I share Nate Fisher's perspective on this I think and I think you're right to add the layer that that deportations
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
and and this is this is critical to this actually this this shift sort of going well for us as Americans and I've I've written about something that I call digital enclaves and the idea just to sort of describe it briefly is that you know digital technology enables modern migrants to, they're basically hovering in an entirely parallel cultural and economic ecosystem, but it's online, right?
So if you think about an immigrant today in America, right, they can basically use their own set of banking apps.
They're on WhatsApp.
They're in their own sort of set of group chats.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
They're watching foreign television.
In many cases, they don't even learn the language for, you know, for even sometimes a shockingly long period of time.
You can meet these people who are 30 years into being in America and they don't speak English, right?
And that's interesting to me, right?
It's, there's, there's from a theory perspective, right, there's been a notable shift where, you know, if you left like Stockholm in 1800 or 1850 and came to America.
Like it was everything was severed, right?
You came to America, you were American now, you assimilated, you learned English quickly, and you were a part of this project fully in every sense.
You know, the number of these more recent migrants who are like one toe in, right, is shocking.
And I'm not actually convinced that like assimilation in the same sense is even possible, right?
So I'd say, right, an assimilation for this sort of, you know, whatever, Dutch lad on a boat in 1840 versus the person who, who, who, you know, came in on an H1B.
would be to do some tech job, make some money, and then send the money back to India or wherever else, it could be China, Korea.
And you say the same thing also for the people just wandering across the border from Central and South America, right?
It's not clear to me that actual assimilation in the digital era is even possible, right?
I think we'll see.
I would actually encourage people to study this.
Like, is assimilation even happening broadly?
Like last time I was in New York City, just based on my read of the situation, like, I didn't see it happening, actually.
That's just my honest assessment.
Like these, most people did not seem like Americans there.
And so, you know, I think we should support, you know, that this is basically an extremely relevant question as we return to the as you know, if the digital, if the digital space becomes a little bit more, let's say, AI slop focus and we're forced now into more in-person type interactions and this is the way that we sort of move forward, it becomes it matters who your neighbors are and it matters that they speak the same language as you.
Even, you know, as today, you know, maybe your neighbor doesn't even speak English.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, the fact that I even have strong opinions on which style of Latin American cuisine is the best is an indication that assimilation is completely broken down.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Because why should I even know which style is the best?
Which style is the best?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Dude, I gotta say, like, I've been.
big on the Colombian recently.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe it's because the World Cup's coming up that gets you excited.
Are you pandering?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Are you pandering to the Colombians?
unidentified
Maybe I am.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Maybe I am.
I don't know.
It could be.
It could be.
But, well, I mean, that's fascinating.
And that's going to send me down a rabbit hole this afternoon.
But one more thing I wanted to ask you about.
There's previously been this discourse.
I put a tweet out about how the local, if you look in your local Facebook marketplace in your region, you will see that the used truck market, the value of those trucks has crashed.
And I suspect it's because the ICE raids have freed up the supply of used trucks.
What other benefits do you think mass deportations will have for Americans that are like tangible, little tangible stuff like that little treats?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
So actually, you put me onto this.
So I was looking on Facebook Marketplace and it was true.
There were all of these sort of, let's say, decade-old trucks selling for incredibly cheap prices.
So yeah, so there are a variety of different potential benefits.
I mean, one of the most obvious ones is just going to be housing.
Health care is probably the other one.
emergency rooms.
I'm really good.
I'm good friends with a doctor out here currently.
And, you know, if you talk with an ER doctor about what percent of patients who come in through the emergency room are are basically illegal migrants who are using that as their primary mechanism of just getting health care.
So it might not actually be a true emergency.
A lot of times it's sort of like this middle ground where it's like they're ill, right?
And so, you know, you do want to care about people and we do want to care for them.
And I am glad that they're getting treatment.
Yeah.
But like this is not good for our, you know, if your, if your grandmother falls and you need her to get care in the emergency room right away, it's not good that there's a line of illegal immigrants there.
in the emergency room sort of clogging up what is supposed to be a, like it's supposed to be an institution for Americans in an emergency.
And somehow it's become an institution for illegals who are feeling a little ill.
So maybe hospitals are one.
And then yes, as we, you know, as deportations accelerate, there should be, you know, regions of America, especially more urban regions that where housing becomes available.
And especially where it becomes more secure to, or safe to live.
So, you know, there are large sections of sort of urban and suburban neighborhoods in America where a lot of people, a lot of families don't feel safe necessarily living there.
They won't always describe it that way.
Like they'll want to live somewhere like a little bit nicer or whatever.
But, you know, a lot of that has to do with just, you know, migrant crime and things like that.
And once the migrants are gone, you know, young families can move in, taken by the home and with the wife and kids.
And I think that these are serious benefits.
Maybe one last one that I'll mention is also on the education front.
um you know look up what some of the public schools and in major american cities are dealing with in terms of like the number of languages right it's like there are teachers who are trying to teach 150 different languages in the same school um it's just like not not achievable then you go up to college right uh harvard university's 28 uh 28 non-citizen students right and i like to i would like to say like those are spots that should have gone to uh should have gone you know i hope then the future those go to like our kids and grandkids and things like that.
But that should have gone to more JD Vance type figures and not sort of foreigners.
And so there's a number of ways in which our institutions are basically being drifted upon by bad actors who kind of have one toe in the system.
And I think if we by removing them, we actually unlock quite a lot for young people in America.
And it's a it's a it's a you know, it's going to be a hard thing to deport them.
But on the back end of it, I expect a golden age.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
I love it.
Well, sadly, we're out of time.
I think this requires like two, three hours to really delve because we just had to just hit one one one.
There's so many different ways we could have gone, but dude, thank you for joining me.
Where can people find you to get some more?
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, thanks for having me on Tate.
So I'm on Twitter, Nathan Halberstadt.
I'll spell my last name.
It's H-A-L-B-E-R-S-T-A-D-T.
And then I'm at New Founding.
So we're on Twitter.
Just go at New Founding.
We're also, we have a website, newfounding.com.
Again, we're a venture firm focused on critical civilizational problems.
I'd say if you're a founder, feel free to reach out.
You can just DM me on Twitter or DM the New Founding handle.
And if you're interested in investing too, we run a venture rolling fund and always happy to sort of bring patriots on boots on board, whether just to join our network or to become a founder that we back, or if you want to put dollars behind the projects, excited to talk to those sorts of people as well.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Dude, well, I love it.
Thanks for coming, man.
We'll catch you next time.
nathan halberstadt ▲ ● ▼
Of course.
Thanks, Dave.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
See you.
All right.
Well, that was the Nathan Hauberstad, the chartmaster, I would say.
That's a well earned name.
High IQ Patriot, as I like to dub that sphere.
They're all great guys.
So yeah, that will wrap up our noon live show.
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