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Armed Man FIRES At FBI In Ohio, FBI Raid Sparks Civil War Fears, Democrats Have Crossed The Rubicon

Armed Man FIRES At FBI In Ohio, FBI Raid Sparks Civil War Fears, Democrats Have Crossed The Rubicon. At the time of recording the man was not in custody and was reportedly firing on police from a cornfield. Many outlets have reported violent rhetoric and calls for civil war were emerging following the FBI raid on Mar-a-lago. While many Trump supporters are claiming this is a psyop or a false flag as they do not believe someone would actually do this. We don't yet know the motives of the man and it may be unrelated to Trump but with fear of a second civil war, the midterms, and democrats having "crossed the rubicon" according to even Trump's critics, this could be the spark of something terrible. #fbi #democrats #trump Become A Member And Protect Our Work at http://www.timcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today is August 11th, 2022 and our first story.
A man armed with an AR-15 style rifle entered the FBI office in Cincinnati and began firing at FBI with a nail gun.
He fled the building, was pursued.
At the time of recording, he was not in custody and was reportedly firing at police from a cornfield.
Rhetoric about civil war is escalating dramatically since the FBI raided the home of Donald Trump.
And even George Conway, a Trump critic, say they crossed the Rubicon.
In our next story, Jimmy Dore slams hypocrite leftists for defending the FBI.
For the longest time, the left has been critical of the FBI, but now Donald Trump being targeted, they think is a good thing.
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Now, let's get into that first story.
John.
After, I believe, an alarm was triggered, the man fled.
This is a breaking story.
I recorded it a little bit earlier than when it was published, when the story first broke, so there may be many more developments, but at the time of recording this segment, the man has not been apprehended.
They say only contained.
Reports were saying that after he fled the building and was pursued, he began firing at police from a cornfield.
Ladies and gentlemen, when I say civil war, it is not because I'm sitting back watching movies and fantasizing or believing in things that aren't in the realm of possibility.
It's because what is happening in this country is devolving.
We will get into the breaking news from this story, and I'll go through the details, but we have a lot more going on.
FBI Director Wray has already condemned violent rhetoric.
We're now hearing numerous reports claiming that on the fringe right, people are getting more and more violent in response to the FBI raid on Donald Trump.
But my friends, the raid on Donald Trump was the crossing of the Rubicon.
That's not my quote.
That's George Conway, a critic of Trump.
Now, I did actually say the same thing.
But I'm quoting him when I say it now.
Because the point is, anyone can agree, something has changed.
And this is what we are likely to see.
And I condemn it and reject it, as we all should.
The people who have seen war tend to be the ones saying, you do not want it.
But a lot of people keep saying, what do you do?
How do you deal with this?
Ladies and gentlemen, there is an election coming up where, potentially, Trump, MAGA-supporting Republicans are about to sweep.
And when they do, we may actually see something.
I don't know.
I don't know for sure.
But right now, I have to question who would do this and why.
Of course, on the right, Trump supporters are screaming Fed and false flag because they do not support it.
It's convenient, isn't it?
With only a few months to a midterm election that could see Republicans issuing subpoenas and investigating the bureaucratic state and other civil servants.
Potentially what was done to Donald Trump, especially with the FBI raid only a few months before.
We're now seeing FBI's subpoenaing the cell phones of sitting members of Congress, raiding the home of the former president.
We have seen members of his administration arrested, convicted, even shackled at the legs.
Something dark is already happening.
Now again, this could be because someone snapped and they just said enough and they're losing it.
This, in my opinion, is a huge mistake.
This will help the Democrats win.
And I can only imagine... Actually, I'll put it this way.
Many have speculated.
Some news outlets have actually written op-eds or published op-eds saying that the goal of the FBI raid may be to rile up Trump supporters and people on the right to engage in acts of violence so it destroys the Republicans' chance of winning in the midterms.
Because short of something like this, I don't see what they have.
But this is exactly what the Democrats needed.
Someone to get violent.
I can't remember whose quote it was.
It may be Noam Chomsky.
They said, when you get violent, they know how to deal with you.
It's when you're non-violent, they don't know what to do.
Because they have carte blanche on how to deal with violence.
Something like this, you will see it plastered across every TV screen, every billboard will say, Trump supporters are violent criminals and terrorists.
And they will use this as fodder, as a weapon in November.
But that's why I'm not convinced this is a legitimate political action.
This person probably was just either deranged or was trying to hurt conservatives or Trump.
But the reality is he may just be deranged.
The simple solution, in the absence of evidence, the one that makes the least amount of assumptions may be correct.
I think people may just be losing it.
This country may be falling apart.
And I will say it again, I think civil war is nigh.
Or we're in it, and it's fifth generational.
I've been saying it for some time.
You know, a lot of people doubted me, and they said that I was wrong and that I was crazy.
And I'm not saying.
Definitively, I know for sure it will.
I'm saying likely.
Likely.
Just to clarify.
I think we're heading in that direction, and it just keeps escalating.
But years ago, they said it would never even get to this point.
And then January 6th happened, and all of a sudden the Democrats changed their tune.
The other night we had Naomi Wolf on the show, classical liberal, now railing on Democrats as she thinks a civil war is coming.
It's not just me, it's people across the spectrum.
Again, George Conway said they've crossed the Rubicon.
I want to read this story.
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Let's read the news and talk about what's happening in this country.
Man armed with AR-15 style rifle shoots into FBI Cincinnati building with a nail gun and fleas leading to interstate standoff reports NBC News.
Two law enforcement sources told NBC News that a man got inside and fired a nail gun toward FBI personnel.
This is interesting.
Why would he not use the rifle he had?
Perhaps because the nail gun is quieter?
I'm not entirely sure.
They say an armed man flashing an AR-15 style rifle fired a nail gun into an FBI Cincinnati building Thursday morning, leading to a police pursuit.
Now, I'd also want to say, why didn't they say he fired it at FBI personnel?
At approximately 915 Eastern.
The FBI Cincinnati Field Office had an armed subject attempt to breach the visitor screening facility.
FBI Cincinnati said in a statement, upon the activation of an alarm and a response by armed FBI special agents, the subject fled northbound onto Interstate 71.
Clinton Co.
Emergency Management Agency alerted that Interstate 71 was closed in both directions between about five exits.
Law enforcement has traded shots with a male suspect who is wearing a gray shirt and body armor, the agency said in a statement, warning people nearby to stay inside and lock their doors.
At about 12.30, the agency said the suspect was contained but not in custody.
Lockdown still in effect for one mile radius of Center and Smith Roads, Clinton Co.
Emergency Management Agency said on Facebook.
Remain vigilant, and if you are in the area, report anything suspicious to 911.
This is a breaking story.
So again, by the time you watch this, there probably will have been many updates.
You know, when the news broke, I immediately just got to recording something.
But the bigger story that I want to get to is where we're heading after the FBI raid on Donald Trump.
So while this occurred, I was already putting together a segment.
As many of you know, I talk about civil war quite a bit.
It's a meme, basically, where, uh, there's a really funny one, actually, where it's a guy, and he's, like, stroking his beard, and there's, like, a woman shaking her butt at him, and they put a beanie on the woman and Civil War on the butt, and the guy, it says, me trying to live a normal life, and that was the gag, like, me being, like, Civil War, but, like, you know, a hot woman shaking her butt.
Anyway, I digress.
You get the point.
There's a reason why I talk about this.
Because I read the news all day, every day.
I read hundreds of articles per day.
This is why I often remember a bunch of these random stories.
If you watch IRL, you'll just be like, remember that story from 2013?
Yeah, because I just read non-stop.
When I see all the pieces laid out in front of me, and I see the national security experts saying, here's what happens in these places, when I've witnessed civil unrest and civil war in certain countries, and then I see these things happening, my friends, there's a reason why I'm saying I believe we are on track for a civil war still to this day.
I think things are going to get much worse from here.
There's a bunch of different stories talking about this.
Armed gunman tried to break into the building.
Apparently he did.
The initial reporting said that he attacked the FBI building and fled.
Was shooting from a cornfield.
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They say the building is no longer under threat.
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CNN reported this just yesterday.
Violent rhetoric circulates on the pro-Trump internet following FBI search, including against a judge, by Donny O'Sullivan.
This is what the Democrats were praying for.
And maybe, some have speculated, the FBI knew this was going to happen, and maybe Democrats were hoping it would, because they can use this to try and win elections in the midterms.
You see, we know that Democratic organizations have been funding the messages of pro-Trump candidates, and many asked why.
The strategy is simple.
They said MAGA candidates can't win a general election, and so they would prefer it if Trump's people won, and then in the general, the Democrats offered up a moderate option.
Well, that idea sounds crazy, because they're just propping up these ideas from Trump-supporting candidates, right?
Unless they intend to smear these candidates as insurrectionists and violent terrorists and criminals and scare the general public, which may be about to happen.
CNN reports, quote, I'm not going to read these comments.
I'm not going to read what they're posting.
Violence should not be tolerated.
on Monday night. Soon after it emerged his Florida Mar-a-Lago resort had been searched by the FBI.
Other posts were more explicit. I'm not going to read these comments. I'm not going to read
what they're posting. Violence should not be tolerated. And I genuinely mean that.
This is why, again, Trump supporters are calling these people feds.
Because anybody who knows the game that's being played knows what's at stake in less than three months.
They know.
The prize.
I'll say this for everybody, too.
The prize is sitting but three months away, and that is control of Congress.
And it will be attained through peaceful means and the peaceful transfer of power.
Unless, of course, Democrats are intent on making sure that doesn't happen.
Why would someone, why would someone engage in this attack?
Right before a midterm election.
Won it earlier.
Okay, well maybe it's because it's a crazy guy and the feds went after Trump.
I think that's a fair assessment.
This guy's crazy.
He went after Trump.
Well, bad news for Trump supporters.
They're going to use this against you.
They're going to mention that combing through posts from certain individuals, they can see that people were making threats.
One individual had been charged.
Quote, we are seeing conspiratorial rhetoric from elected officials, political leaders, and political entertainers that is fueling calls for real-world violence, Jones said.
The conspiratorial and divisive rhetoric from elected officials and others who should know better is continuing to undermine our institutions and democracy at an alarming rate.
And I can only imagine these people are saying this.
This is Daniel L. Jones, a former Senate investigator.
They're twirling their mustache as they say it because they're doing the exact same thing.
And they have been.
It was the Democrats who claimed that the 2016 election was stolen, that they tried to block the electors.
Then they come out and deny, ever having been election deniers, and powerful tech institutions threaten to ban you if you challenge the election.
From NBC, FBI's Wray denounces threats following search of Trump's home.
Wray called threats circulating online against federal agents in the Justice Department deplorable and dangerous.
How interesting.
Ray made the remarks following a news conference during a long-planned visit to the agency's field office in Omaha, Nebraska, where he discussed the FBI's focus on cybersecurity.
He declined to answer questions about the hours-long search Monday by FBI agents of Trump's Palm Beach, Florida resort.
It has been easy to find the threats and a call to arms in those corners of the Internet favored by right-wing extremists since Trump himself announced the search of his Florida home.
Did you know that a man tried to assassinate a Supreme Court justice?
That's right.
I don't care about the rhetoric.
I mean, it's bad, but I mean to say, I don't care about these stories.
It doesn't matter about what side you're on.
Right now, as a human being, you need to understand something.
Someone tried to assassinate Brett Kavanaugh.
They arrested him.
Good.
I'm glad they did.
The AG would not go after people who are illegally protesting in front of judges' homes.
We do have a restriction on that.
And I understand why.
There can be no First Amendment without the ability for justice to be found.
That was the argument.
That if a judge could be coerced, there's no justice.
Then there's no free speech.
There's no Constitution.
Agreed.
I don't want a judge to be like, I'm going to rule on a constitutional issue, and then someone shows up, protests, terrifies him, and then he changes his mind.
I think that should be one of the simple limitations.
What we're seeing now are extremists, in any capacity, on any side, ramping things up.
And we need it to stop.
You see, this is the worst possible thing for the right, because they're poised to take the House, and potentially the Senate.
So, none of this.
It's all bad.
But outside of that, I'll just tell you right now, man, I hope you've prepared for what everyone keeps clamoring about.
Since 2018, we've had articles talking about the potential for civil war, because they didn't like Donald Trump, because of the threat that Russia posed with an asset in the White House.
Of course, I think that was all a lot of nonsense, and I think that was definitively proven.
Now, we can see the escalation.
The New York Times reports the FBI search ignited the language of violence and civil war on the far right.
That's the story being put up by the mainstream press, the corporate propagandists.
And the message we can see from unheard is quite simple.
America's tribes are ready for war.
After Mar-a-Lago, the middle ground has been plundered.
I want to read this and give you some historical context.
It's interesting.
But first I want to show you this from NPR yesterday.
A Florida license plate has reopened the debate over the don't tread on me flag.
When Florida Governor Ron DeSantis recently tweeted an image of what he said was a new state license plate featuring the quilled rattlesnake in the words, Don't Tread on Me, he said it sends a clear message to out-of-state cars.
The imagery of the Revolutionary War-era Gadsden flag dates to Benjamin Franklin, but has, for many, come to symbolize a far-right extremist ideology and the Stop the Steal movement.
They have tried to associate the Gadsden flag, a flag of American history, with every negative group imaginable.
I remember years ago they were like, it's a white supremacist flag.
It's a flag of America.
They're trying to tell you that your history is extremist.
If they believe that this is far-right extremism, then my view is There is a parasitic growth, a brain slug, spreading inside this country, demonizing its own existence.
And I see that just ending dangerously and dramatically, and it's worrisome.
But here's where we may be going from unheard.
Dominic Sandbrook writes, Thursday, 22 May, 1856, was a sunny, sleepy day in Washington, D.C.
as Preston Brooks, the Democratic representative from South Carolina's 4th District, strolled into the Senate chamber.
The air felt hot and heavy.
The Senate's business had wound down.
The galleries had almost emptied.
Brooks glanced up and waited for the last spectators to leave.
It was important, he thought, that no ladies were present to watch what he had planned.
When he was satisfied, Brooks walked over to the desk of Massachusetts Republican Senator Charles Sumner, who was busy writing and barely even looked up.
Between the two men, there was no love lost.
Brooks, who walked with a cane after having been injured in a youthful duel, was a passionate defender of slavery.
Sumner, by contrast, was one of the nation's most outspoken abolitionists.
Only days earlier, he had delivered a blistering speech mocking Brooks' cousin, Senator Andrew Butler, as a hapless, Don Quixote-style knight devoted to the harlot slavery.
To Brooks, the speech seemed an intolerable affront.
At first, he had considered challenging Sumner to a duel, but decided against it on the grounds that the Massachusetts politician was no gentleman.
But he remained determined to take his revenge, and now, as Sumner glanced dismissively up, Brooks spoke.
Mr. Sumner, I have read your speech twice over carefully.
It is a libel on South Carolina and Mr. Butler, who is a relative of mine.
At that, Sumner tried to rise, but Brooks was too quick for him.
He lifted his thick gutter perch-a-cane with its heavy golden top and brought it savagely down on Sumner's head again and again.
Sumner fell.
Blood trickled down his face.
He was trapped behind his desk.
He could not get up.
Still, the blows rained down, Brooks lashing away like a man possessed.
Sumner was unconscious now.
At last, some of Brooke's colleagues managed to pull him off.
A pool of blood spread across the floor of the Senate.
Although Charles Sumner didn't die that afternoon, the sheer violence of the assault struck many Americans, even at the time, as a terrible harbinger of the horror ahead.
But while thousands of anti-slavery Northerners joined rallies in Sumner's support, the reaction in the South was very different.
Ordinary people sent Brooks hundreds of new canes to replace his own shattered weapon.
One was inscribed, hit him again.
Many Southern politicians insisted that Sumner had exaggerated his injuries, dismissing the fake news of the abolitionist media.
And on the fire-breathing wing of the Southern press, there was no doubt about who was really in the wrong.
Brooks' attack was good in conception, better in execution, and best of all in consequences, declared the Richmond Enquirer.
Ideally, it said the vulgar abolitionists of the Senate should be lashed into submission.
Today historians see the Brooks-Sumner confrontation as a milestone of the United States' road to the Civil War, encapsulating the collapse of civility, the triumph of tribalism, and the disappearance of the political middle ground.
I've been thinking about it a lot over the past couple of years, and I thought about it again this week amid the frenzied reaction to the FBI's raid on Donald Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago, Florida, where he's alleged to have taken and even tried to destroy confidential government documents.
Put aside, if you can, your own views about the rights and wrongs of the FBI raid.
Perhaps it really is a sign of the overreach of the deep state, determined to smear and undermine a decent American patriot.
Or perhaps it's a welcome reminder that nobody, not even a former president, is above the law.
Perhaps you think Donald Trump isn't the kind of man who would trample roughshod over rules and conventions.
Perhaps you simply can't imagine him making off with classified records and trying to flush them down the toilet.
Or perhaps you think he is, and you can.
But this isn't really the issue.
Does anybody really see the fate of Donald Trump's paperwork as the most pressing challenge facing the American Republic?
The more interesting question, as with the caning of Charles Sumner in 1856, is what the whole imbroglio tells us about the health or otherwise of American politics.
As soon as news of the FBI raid broke, Republicans almost unanimously rushed to denounce the agency's abuse of power and to defend the former president as a victim of a witch hunt.
Would they, I wonder, have said the same thing if, say, the FBI had raided Hillary Clinton's house in search of her controversial private emails?
I doubt it, somehow.
And I'll pause there and say, the context missing, of course.
For those that are nut-nut, Historically on either side, but may find themselves more aligned with Republicans simply due to having read the news, is that Hillary Clinton was investigated peacefully in Raider House.
They took the emails, they reviewed them, and they found that she did have confidential information.
She wasn't charged.
Donald Trump was subject to a false FBI investigation.
Tens of millions of dollars in Russiagate.
The context is very different, good sir!
I implore you, please read the history of the Donald Trump presidency, Russiagate, Ukrainegate, the lies and the smears, to understand why people do not trust what happened with the FBI.
He continues, it works the other way around too. The same Democrats glorifying in Mr. Trump's
embarrassment today would have been appalled if the FBI had applied the same tactics to Mrs.
Clinton yesterday. You don't hear many liberal Democrats wondering if the FBI was a bit heavy
handed, just as you don't find many conservative Republicans insisting that nobody is above the
law. And you don't find many pro-slavery southerners in 1856 rushing to condemn Preston Brooks.
In the 2020s, as in the 1850s, the tribalism is total and partisanship is all wrong.
What he's right about.
We're on a dangerous path.
We need to do whatever it is we can to prevent things from de-escalating further.
We should all condemn the man who went to the FBI office.
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Why?
If Republicans do win in November, they can use the powers of the purse to defund.
They can hold the FBI accountable in a way that a single lunatic cannot.
But if lunatics like this get violent, you will not win.
And people will vote for law and order to stop it.
Well, I agree with the interesting context here at UnHerd.
The both-sides-ism, unfortunately, is incorrect, but an interesting point, nonetheless, is that, in the end, you need only stand back and realize that something is standing before us.
Perhaps you agree with me.
It's a double standard, and we've read the news, we understand this.
It is not just Republicans.
Naomi Wolf, who said they're criminalizing being Republican, is a liberal, a feminist, and a historically active Democrat.
But now, things have changed.
When people like Naomi Wolf can come on TimCast IRL, she came on the other day, watch the show, and say they're trying to criminalize being a Republican and a civil war is coming.
It is not tribalism.
It is a death cult and everyone else.
And Trump has his sycophants, and Trump has his cult, but they are not prominent.
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What's happening now, regardless of what you think is right or wrong,
is that escalation is upon us.
He was gonna say, To get a sense of what today's successors to those antebellum Southern editorialists are thinking, I turned on Fox News.
First up was the conservative classical historian Victor Davis Hanson.
Biden administration is using Soviet-style tactics to crush its political opponents.
read the banner at the bottom of the screen.
Hansen was in no doubt.
The FBI raid was a plot by the Democrats running the national security state.
They believe they're morally superior to America and therefore any means are necessary to justify,
or justifiable, for their morally superior ends.
He said, Grimley, right now we don't have the rule of law in Washington.
That, I thought, is a pretty bleak thing to say about your own government.
An odd thing, too, since the director of the FBI, Christopher Wray, is an avowed, card-carrying Republican.
But of course, if this man who wrote this knew anything, he'd know that Liz Cheney is as well, and she has almost no support from Republicans.
I had a quick look at his biography.
It turns out he went to the same New York private school as Donald Trump Jr., and the same Massachusetts boarding school, Phillips Academy, as the two Bush presidents.
He served in Bush's administration and was appointed to run the FBI by Donald Trump himself.
That's correct, but it doesn't change the facts about what's happening.
Perhaps it was because Donald Trump wanted to fire the man, or perhaps because Donald Trump knew he made a mistake.
But I want to cite Naomi Wolf, who made an interesting point yesterday.
She said, walk backwards, work backwards.
When looking at these things, don't listen to why they claim to be doing it.
Go backwards from what they did.
It's interesting.
I take a look at where we are now, what the results are, and then I walk backwards.
And I don't think justifications matter.
Of course, any person who commits a crime will make an excuse.
I'm innocent, I'm being framed, or I had no choice.
Often there will be crime.
Ocasio-Cortez famously said, because people need bread.
Pretty sure the dude who is, you know, like, stealing a cell phone, it's not about bread.
But for some people, when they steal bread, it is.
You work backwards.
When you take a look at the damage being done, the escalation, and the potentiality for real violence, You ask why it happened.
Certainly people know the outcome of the actions they take, especially the FBI who's been tracking all of this violence, right?
The FBI has been tracking this violence.
They know!
Don't they?
It sounds then, when you work backwards from where we are, history starts to paint a different picture.
We are in the thick of things.
We go day by day.
The revolutionary period was over 20 years.
The Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party were years apart.
Years!
But when we look back at history, it's condensed.
What I mean to say is, we are in uncondensed history today.
Days go by with no news.
Nothing happening.
And like frogs in a pot, we boil, not realizing just how insane things have gotten.
So I like to walk backwards.
And I put it this way.
Go back in time five years.
If I did, and back then I told you, The year is 2022.
It is August.
A man armed with a rifle enters an FBI building and fires a nail gun at FBI staff.
The Democrats have just expanded, voted to expand the IRS by 87,000 agents.
The president's home was raided by the FBI.
Members of his administration have been arrested and convicted.
One man was shackled at the feet.
If I told you those things.
If I said on January 6th of 2021, hundreds, nearly a thousand individuals entered the Capitol grounds, many of which storming in, seeking an end to the electoral vote count because they believe the election was stolen.
Would you believe me?
Of course you wouldn't!
And I know you wouldn't.
Not all of you.
But many of you.
How do I know this?
In 2018, I said, we are on track for a civil war.
And the response I received from everybody was, Tim, you're insane.
Antifa fighting the Proud Boys is not a civil war.
It's weirdo lunatics.
And I said, look at history.
Look at where this leads to.
People just said no.
I remember hearing from prominent conservatives saying the security state is too strong to allow anything like that to happen.
My response?
What happens when the culture war reaches the highest level of government?
Sure, right now the government isn't engaged in a culture war.
It was a little bit with Donald Trump.
But it wasn't as fractured.
They were as conflict.
I mean, there was Russiagate for sure.
I said, what happens when half of the FBI is woke and half the FBI is anti-woke?
Then you get breakdown.
And people said, that can never happen.
It won't happen.
It did happen.
It's happening all around us.
It's easy to look back at the past several years and pinpoint all of these key moments that signify we are in a historical moment.
In 50 years, they will look back on these days and it will be condensed down into a neat little one-page article.
What caused the Second Civil War?
I don't know.
If it escalates to the point where we will refer to it that way.
But enough has happened.
Enough has happened that we are getting close to 1860s.
I believe it was seven years that led up to the Civil War.
It was a state Civil War in Kansas over whether or not they would be a slave state or a free state.
John Brown was particularly active.
He walked up and blasted a man in the face.
Interesting.
In Portland, a guy walked up to a man named Aaron Danielson and put two in his chest for no reason other than, as we believe, he was a Trump supporter.
They yelled something like, we got one here.
And then he just drew up and killed him.
The DOJ under Trump hunted down this man and killed him.
They said he was going for his weapon.
Maybe, I don't know.
All of these things.
A couple years ago, I think it was, a man showed up to an ICE facility in Tacoma with a ghost gun, a rifle, and firebombs, and he attempted to firebomb an ICE facility.
He was killed.
Numerous instances like this have been occurring, so we may be in the Bleeding Kansas phase of a pre-Civil War.
Or maybe we're able to stop it.
The Fourth Turning prescribes a major moment to occur in the next few years.
Every 80 years, this country goes through a tumultuous period.
The Fourth Turning.
We had the War for Independence.
80 years later, we had a Civil War.
80 years later, we had World Wars I and II.
And that's amazing.
I suppose World War I, 80 years after the Civil War.
Or I should say it was between 60 and 80 years, so that was a long period of chaos.
International chaos.
Maybe it's wrong.
Maybe someone was like, hey, this happened three times.
Maybe it'll happen a fourth.
Not perfect speculation.
Or maybe with everything we're seeing, we're headed towards something dark.
Now he goes on to make his both sides of some point, and he concludes by saying, even at a grassroots level, you can see signs of trouble.
Writing for Unheard in January, the essayist James Pogue reported that in his rural Northern California county, there is a very totalizing war of worldviews, touched off by the pandemic and resistance to expert advice and state action, led by a militia-aligned faction that thinks the local government betrayed the county's free-living values by participating in California's COVID protocols.
There haven't, Pope noted, been any bombings or shootings, but there have been fights, and much of the local police force is more or less openly sympathetic to the radical faction.
The right in this country is now almost entirely alienated from the other structures of government, and it is hard to see how the situation could change.
Too bleak?
Perhaps.
When I visited America before Easter, I didn't feel like a country on the brink.
The sun shone, shops were busy, people wandered happily about, as friendly and hospitable as ever.
In two weeks, I didn't hear a single remark about politics, nor did I see a single MAGA hat or a Trump shirt.
And this is in Florida.
But I would probably have said similar things in the summer of 1856, too.
The sun often shines before the storm.
And perhaps, good sir, you would be standing atop the hillside overlooking Fort Sumter along with all the other good picnic-going Americans who could not believe a civil war would erupt.
And perhaps you were wrong.
Perhaps things are darker than you realize.
A few honorable mentions in this segment.
Twitter is preparing their election strategy to manipulate information and control it.
They say it's about stopping misinformation.
I think it's about controlling the flow of it.
What they deem to be right.
We know where that goes.
Polling shows, shockingly, that Democrats who plan to vote in the GOP primary in Wyoming, because it's open, 97.8% will vote for Liz Cheney.
Very interesting.
Of the Republican votes, 68% say Harriet Hageman.
Will enough Democrats intervene?
43% of Independents say they'd vote for Liz Cheney.
The system is broken beyond repair, my friends.
I don't know what to do.
But this violence cannot be tolerated.
I'll leave it there.
Next segment is coming up at 8pm over at youtube.com slash timcastIRL.
Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all then.
Trump said it was dark days for this country.
I don't know how much darker the days could get or how to describe what's happening now, but in a shocking development, the DOJ has delivered subpoenas to several Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania.
These are state level.
States are allowed to run their elections as they see fit.
Now the DOJ is going after them.
They seized the cell phone.
of a U.S.
rep from Pennsylvania.
This is getting insane.
Banana Republic has trended.
The news, trending, ongoing, non-stop since the start of this week.
You can see it right here on Twitter.
Former President Donald Trump's Florida home searched by FBI.
Something insane is happening to this country.
I'll talk a bit about the expansion of the FBI's witch hunt.
But I think what's important here, today, are the good words of our friend Jimmy Dore.
Jimmy, you're awesome.
I have tremendous respect for you.
He's calling out the FBI raid on Trump and pointing out accurately to the left, quite simply, when people come around to agreeing with your point, you welcome them and say, thank you for being correct.
When a bunch of conservatives come out and start saying that the FBI is corrupt and should be disbanded or dissolved or whatever, if you've long had the position that the FBI is corrupt, maybe now's the time to say, welcome to the fight, my friends.
Which brings us to the viral story, which has also been trending, Jimmy Dore on Twitter.
Political commentator Jimmy Dore and former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner go back and forth on Twitter about the FBI's raid of Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence in Palm Beach, Florida.
Here's what happened.
Nina Turner tweeted, My prediction of the fallout of the FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago is that we're probably going to see a bunch of MAGA Republicans call to abolish the FBI.
Hey!
Good, right?
That's long what you've wanted, isn't it?
No.
Colbert has referred to this as Christmas.
They're all cheering it on.
Yes, burn the republic, they scream, laughing and celebrating as this country is torn to shreds.
Jimmy Dore responded, when lefties cheer on the FBI, you know they're serious about being a Democrat.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's right.
It's not about Policy, it's not about logic, it's not about morals, it's about them just pandering to the left to get votes.
Jimmy's one of the true few leftists, in my opinion.
I give a shout out as often as I can to Jacobin Magazine.
Ah yes, Jacobin, the socialists!
But they're pro-free speech.
They don't like federal authority.
They call this stuff out often.
They're not perfect.
I don't agree with them on everything.
But, yo, I'm not one of these lunatics that's gonna be like, oh, my position now has to change.
Hillary Clinton.
She had 30-some-odd thousand emails.
All of this stuff, right?
Let's talk about the left and their accusations of hypocrisy.
But Hillary Clinton got investigated.
Trump should get investigated.
The Russiagate hoax was launched on false pretenses.
There is an abuse of power going on, and this is an escalation of it.
There is a root issue here, not hypocrisy.
Me, I like accountability, and I have stated even yesterday, there is some morsel of light coming from this, the idea that the executive branch is not immune.
But Donald Trump was run through the coals with the false Ukrainegate smears, with the Russiagate hoax.
There is, who was it?
Was it Sussman or someone else?
The lawyer who actually withheld information on Papadopoulos?
I believe it was Papadopoulos.
They said that they knew one of Trump's people was an informant for the CIA.
It's been a long time since I covered this, but let me just point out.
The malfeasance and the corruption here.
That's my concern.
This is the next step.
I'd love to see some criminal culpability for people who break the law.
But when the system is this fractured, and Hillary Clinton gloats and fundraises off of destroying emails, yeah, I have a problem with this system.
In response to Jimmy Dore.
This guy.
Says, when Dore cheers on MAGA as populist right, you know he's being serious about being RT Fox News.
Mm-hmm, okay.
Jimmy Dore brings the heat.
So, Nina Turner responded to Jimmy Dore saying that she's serious about being a Democrat, saying, Are you kidding me?
Jimmy Dore knocks a black progressive woman for pointing out conservatives' hypocrisy
when it comes to the FBI.
You know he's serious about being anti-black and protecting conservatives.
Are you kidding me?
You call him racist?
Nina says, conservatives were okay with the FBI when it came to the Panthers, MLK, and
Malcolm X, and now they have a problem with it.
Let me just point out, y'all people keep calling me a conservative when I grew up staunchly liberal and quite honestly, particularly leftist anarchist.
I have never been okay with any of that.
So, when a bunch of MAGA hat-wearing conservatives, who weren't alive when those things happened, come out and say, I have a problem with this.
I say, bro, check this out.
They also did this stuff to these other organizations, too.
Crazy, yo!
Let's come together and say, defund and abolish the FBI.
If you have a problem with me pointing that out, you're doing the bidding of these conservatives, which Jimmy is.
Blah, blah, blah.
Jimmy Dore.
Quote.
I've admired Jimmy from afar.
He says things I can't say.
Nina Turner.
That's a quote from her.
He says I called her out for cheering on the FBI and she uses the cheapest, ugliest form of identity politics as a shield.
Truly repulsive.
FYI, she's against defunding FBI and she sits on Cleveland Police Foundation board.
You see, that's hypocrisy.
You know what I want to see?
I want to see the Black Panthers marching down the street with fully automatic M16s, suppressed, whatever they want, as per the Second Amendment prescription on what is their rights.
I get these people tweeting at me, they're like, you know all about gun rights for white men, but what about the Black Panthers?
And I'm like, bro, the Black Panthers should have two fully automatic M16s on each arm as they walk down the street.
They should be able to have short-barreled rifles, Uzis, whatever.
Second Amendment stands for all.
And you know what I would say?
Especially the Black Panthers.
Especially individuals who believe that they have been oppressed and suppressed by the United States government as per what the Second Amendment prescribes.
This is...
Exactly what my problem with the modern left is.
They say, we don't actually like Democrats.
We don't like Joe Biden.
We're just gonna vote for him, support him, and defend the institutions that he upholds and his weaponization of them to go against our enemies.
Yeah, okay.
I stand with Jimmy Dore on this one.
I don't know Jimmy's position on guns.
He doesn't have to agree with me on all these things.
I just appreciate this dude's got principle.
In response, Blue-Eyed Devil says, I didn't look at her initial tweet at supporting the FBI as much as calling out MAGA hypocrisy.
No!
MAGA is not traditional Republicans!
But the response to you was uncalled for.
Agreed.
Jimmy says, When people come around to your point of view, like in this case that the FBI is a corrupt evil organization, then you should welcome them, not continue to insult them and flip them off.
You call out their hypocrisy when they're in the wrong, not when they change and correct.
That, right there, is a man of principle.
A man of perception.
Jimmy, big fan.
I've long told this story.
I was at Occupy Wall Street, and I saw two older black men arguing.
One guy had been going around telling black people to leave Occupy.
He was saying, don't support these people!
They don't support you!
And this other dude said, bro, what are you doing, man?
This is not the way.
And they had an argument, and the guy said, these white folk, they've done this, they've done that.
And the other guy said, and now they get it, don't they?
And so he's like, they weren't there for us, and now because they're feeling the pain, they're gonna expect us to fight for them?
And he said, the other guy goes, yeah.
Because you know what I say?
When they come down and say all that stuff you've been talking about we see now, I reach out my hand and say, welcome to the fight, brother.
And I was just like, here, here, dude.
That's what it's all about.
This is not about tribalism.
For some people, it is.
For Nina Turner, supporting the machine while claiming she opposes it, and then accusing the Republicans of being the ones who are secretly supporting it.
Bro, what she levies against MAGA, she herself is guilty of.
It's projection.
MAGA people believe the craziest things about the Deep State.
They wanted Trump to drain the swamp.
They have never been this caricature of traditional Republicans who are supporting the FBI going after MLK.
There are many Republicans who are, by all means.
That, I can say fine.
You can criticize them.
But perhaps when the majority of people aren't from that background, you can say, welcome to the fight.
However, in fact, Nina Turner, she's out cheering for the FBI, she's against defunding them, and sits on the Cleveland Police Foundation Board?
K.
Here's a great tweet.
Fiorella Isabella.
The state of the U.S.
left at the moment.
The FBI, U.S.
intelligence apparatus, has been tied to the murders of MLK, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, but since going after Trump, Democrats and leftists now love it!
And so, and so any critique of this is now racist, and most obviously, Jimmy Dore's fault.
You see, there's a reason why, early in my life, I was, you know, like, left anarchist, then became more moderate, like, okay, we gotta have some, some system.
I'm not an anarchist.
And now I'm kinda like, yeah, I agree, there's a problem here with the FBI and the police and what they're, what they're doing.
It's, it's, it's horrifyingly dangerous for this country.
And it's corruption.
Across the board.
I don't believe that every FBI agent is corrupt.
I would be in favor of defunding the FBI and the police.
Oh, that's right.
I was very critical a year or so ago.
There was widespread rioting.
And then I had a conversation with several people, and they enlightened me as to certain issues.
These are Democrat cities.
They appoint these people.
They vote for this.
Why should you intervene?
I said, OK, fair point, if they want to defund the police.
Then there was an argument about police arresting people for exercising their Second Amendment rights in cities like Chicago.
I said, actually, that's a really good point as well.
You know what?
You're right.
You see, I do believe we need police.
I don't believe the police should be totally stripped of all their funding.
I think people should be more responsible for themselves.
We should strengthen the Second Amendment.
We should renew it and take it seriously.
And then an armed society is a polite society.
I said, maybe what we need is local militia, the way it used to be before you had appointed political police departments.
I like the Sheriff's Department.
Very different, duly elected police.
You see, I try to learn and better understand the arguments, and then it turns out, defund the police, I don't think was all that bad.
I think what they were proposing with, like, nuking and abolishing the police, was a stretch too far.
But, considering the corruption we've seen from these organizations, I have subsequently said, you know what?
Fine!
Just do it!
Get rid of them!
You live there, not me.
Alright?
And, you know, my opinion probably will change because circumstances change, and I'm constantly learning, and I'm often wrong.
But I try my best.
I really, really do.
Nobody's perfect, and I'm not gonna sit here and claim that my logic is... that I am omniscient and understanding all of the world, and that my position will never change.
I just try to better understand these situations.
I do think the FBI does have an important job to do.
No joke.
Interstate crime.
But what we've seen from the weaponization of it shows how dangerous it can be, so we need reform.
Look, there's a lot of arguments to be made for abolishing all of it, and sometimes I will jokingly, trollingly, or facetiously say, abolish everything, but I do believe there's a reasonable middle ground of weeding out corruption and trying to find compromise.
You know, the other day I mentioned that the FBI is not monolithic.
There's field offices, and there's a lot of people in the FBI who are clearly not woke and don't like this, as evidenced by the fact that one of them leaked information to Project Veritas.
I can respect it.
We can call out these things.
And I'm not going to say every single FBI agent was involved in this.
There's just, there's the bad apples, right?
That's how they call it.
But we need oversight, accountability, and reform.
Otherwise, it gets dark and it gets dangerous.
This was the latest news we saw yesterday.
The FBI delivers subpoena to several PA Republican lawmakers, according to sources.
This is very, very bad, okay?
Apparently, they're saying Scott Perry said his lawyers have been told he is not a target of an investigation that resulted in the seizure of his phone.
They're going after the state lawmakers because they wanted to have their election as they see fit.
The state legislature, as per the Constitution, has final authority in how their elections are held.
In fact, the state legislature can rule.
There's no election!
No joke.
They can be like, we hereby decree that we will decide who gets our electoral votes.
They don't need to have a vote at all.
That's true.
They don't do that, though.
They could.
If these men say they want a different slate of electors, then who is the DOJ to intervene in state affairs?
These are crazy days, indeed.
Stephen Colbert compares Mar-a-Lago raid to Christmas.
These people are deeply evil.
Evil people.
And now let's talk about hypocrisy.
Hillary Clinton's emails were investigated and that hurt her substantially before the 2016 election.
True point.
She had a private server in her home with over 30,000 emails that were public record, or should have been, and I believe there was 110, I think the number was, that were classified, with many being top secret.
Well, what the FBI said was, we didn't find any intent to break the law.
Okay, fine.
Fine.
But let's talk about Russiagate.
There were false pretenses that started that investigation.
We know this now.
We know from the Mueller probe it was all lies.
We know from the subsequent investigations of the Durham probe that there was evidence manipulated to carry on a false investigation of Trump.
This is nightmarish.
When Hillary Clinton had an email server and the FBI investigated, I say, OK, I guess.
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Right?
tim pool
I say, OK.
Now, we have an extended, in my opinion, criminal false investigation against Trump, and I'll tell you why I am not in favor of this.
You need to understand that there is no simple, I support or I oppose, in most circumstances.
No, no, no, hear me out.
We talk about parental rights and education in Florida.
Well, the logic here is parents should be in charge of what their children are engaging with and how their children are being treated for, you know, mental issues or depression or things like that, right?
That's what we agree on.
But that's not absolute.
Because there are some parents who decide to give their children surgeries or puberty blockers.
But don't you agree that parents have the final say?
I actually lean towards that even in many of those circumstances, though I disagree with many of those circumstances.
The issue is, you can't just come out and say, I think it's wrong the government would intervene.
Parents should decide.
Okay, that means the government could step back and parents could choose to castrate their sons.
Well, hold on there a minute.
They shouldn't be allowed to do that.
Oh, well, that would mean the government intervening to prevent something.
Therein lies the issue.
It's about values, not about a specific logic or principle.
In the instance of Donald Trump being rated over documents, they will now try to play to that concept.
Hey, but you said Hillary Clinton.
Yes, I said Hillary Clinton because she had a private server and classified information on it, and the destruction of records is worrisome to me.
Yeah, but what about Donald Trump and his records?
Donald Trump had already cooperated with the FBI, and the FBI put a lock on the locker with the documents in it.
Very, very different from operating a private server and having records that no one else has.
Donald Trump took records, as did Obama and many other presidents, was cooperating with the DOJ, and then they raided his house and broke the lock they asked for.
NBC News reported that.
Not the same thing.
But that being said, it is not about universal logic, necessarily.
It is about values.
No, no, I should say it is about logic, but it's about values like I am okay with the FBI investigating someone who had a private server with public records that they didn't turn over.
When the FBI investigates a man who took records from the White House, as did many other presidents without issue, then we have a standards thing where it's like, well, why investigate him?
Okay, they did, and he cooperated, and they said, you're fine, put a lock on it.
According to NBC News, FBI seized about a dozen boxes in a raid of Trump's home in Florida, Lawyer says.
So, these are not the same circumstances.
Now, I agree with the idea of accountability, but there's also logic and nuance.
Nothing is absolute.
Last night, we had a conversation with Naomi Wolf.
It was absolutely fascinating, by the way.
Ian said he wants to pardon all the January 6th guys and Hunter Biden.
And I said, look, I'd be fine with the January 6th rioters facing accountability for their violence.
Just not the harsh punishment they've received with like, you know, solitary confinement.
Put them on house arrest.
You know, they're not going anywhere.
There's no reason to be cruel and unusual.
Hunter Biden, though, he should be prosecuted.
He should be investigated and then prosecuted for any potential crimes.
But I mean, considering the gun thing and tax evasion, it looks like he may actually be indicted.
Good.
Naomi said no.
Prosecute all of them.
There has to be the rule of law in this country.
I get it.
Ian said pardon them all.
Why?
Because we need to stop the tit-for-tat.
I get it.
I'm in the middle.
I'd say pardon the January 6th guys because that's political and Hunter Biden who committed crimes that were not political.
Prosecute him.
It's not absolute.
We don't all have the answers.
I absolutely can respect that sometimes people will say, I think X, and then later on say, you know what?
I changed my mind.
You're allowed to change your mind.
You're allowed to be wrong.
I don't have all the answers.
And so when I see something like the FBI sees it, I'll say, here's what I think about this.
Other people are then going to be like, dude, you flip-flopped.
You said it was okay that Hillary was investigated.
Bro, these are completely different circumstances.
It's not the same, and there are things I think differently of, and I have biases.
The left has their bias.
They think Trump committed all these crimes, and Hillary didn't.
Therefore, what happened to Hillary was wrong, and what happened to Trump is right.
I'm of the inverse.
I read the news, and I know that the investigations into Trump over Russia were fake, and that there was malfeasance involved in how they pursued that.
And so I'm inclined to believe that exists here as well, and so I don't favor this.
You see the challenge?
There's no easy answer.
But when Colbert comes out from his ivory tower, and these psychopathic authoritarians cheer on the weaponization of the DOJ, you know, we've got a very serious problem that ultimately just results in some kind of civil war.
Some kind of.
These people are insane.
What did Trump do?
Christmas.
It's big as Christmas.
Greeting his audience during his show's opening monologue, Colbert joked that it may be hot
outside but in here it's Christmas because yesterday we got the present we wanted.
These people are insane.
What did Trump do?
We know that if you read the news, the FBI had come to him previously about these documents.
Obama had documents, right?
Why go after Trump?
I wonder.
Some are speculating.
The documents may be related to Crossfire Hurricane.
Trump declassified them or tried to, I'm not sure what the exact circumstances were, but they still said he couldn't release them.
Crossfire Hurricane, of course, being the investigation into him.
Are they trying to seize this because it shows how corrupt the FBI is?
You see the problem there?
I want to know.
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But the left will just cheer this on while claiming that they believe in defunding the police.
My position changed quite a ways back pertaining to the defunding of police, and I would have to actually have a sit-down breakdown over an hour to explain, like, what I actually mean when I say, like, abolish the police, fine, whatever.
It's not that I agree with the left.
And it's not that I'm often, typically, literally saying we should eliminate all police officers.
As I've said, duly elected police are actually a good thing.
I don't agree with all of the libertarians and anarchists, but I lean more libertarian and anarchist.
And I think my position changed a bit after talking with Michael Malice, which many people know.
There's a long conversation to be had because I'm not staunchly about eliminating all police all the time, but it's really hard to quantify.
It's basically like this.
You can abolish city police because I don't live there.
Fine.
You get what you ask for.
That's not the same as me saying all police are bad.
I actually think there should be some policing.
So there's nuance.
You need to understand this.
And maybe there needs to be like an eight-hour conversation really assessing and addressing all of these issues so we can truly understand what is the right thing to do.
But also sometimes the right thing to do is it changes.
Sometimes it's right to say parents should decide for themselves and sometimes it's right to say no they shouldn't.
That's reality.
I'll leave it there.
Next segment's coming up at 1 p.m.
on this channel.
Thanks for hanging out and I'll see you all then.
From the Daily Mail, leaked files expose how U.S.
pediatricians accuse their own professional body of pushing a harmful drugs-first approach on trans teens, and of deliberately blocking moves to change the rules.
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This is a crazy story.
tim pool
We've had a detransitioner on TimCast IRL talking about how they felt they were groomed into being trans.
In this story, there are posts from people who say they feel the same way.
It's shocking.
But to many people who have been following this, I don't think you're at all surprised.
I will say, perhaps people are somewhat surprised doctors internally are trying to resist this, but are being blocked.
But I'll tell you first and foremost as we get into this.
On the internet, there are harsh rules about transgender ideology.
Twitter, for instance, famously bans people for misgendering or deadnaming and things like that.
It was explained to me by the CEO at the time, Jack Dorsey, and their, um, I believe their general counsel or top lawyer.
Well, they're trying to prevent suicides and things like that.
They're not.
These people who are talking about detransitioning are expressing very serious negative thoughts, we'll put it that way, over having their lives destroyed as they explain it.
Here's what's happening.
For most people who are suffering or experiencing some kind of dysphoria, they go online.
What do they see?
Nothing but good things, because all of the bad things have been banned.
They don't learn about potential side effects or risks.
They undergo treatments which are irreversible and then realize they were not warned of this.
That's what they are saying, not my opinion.
These people then express suicidal ideation, which we are trying to stop.
And that's the big issue.
Twitter claimed that's what they were doing.
Instead, they've created a pipeline where you can only hear good things.
And then later you realize these other forums... Hey, wait a minute.
Not everybody is happy.
And you need real informed consent.
Let's read the story from the Daily Mail.
They say, Pediatricians across America are at war with their own professional body over
controversial puberty-blocking drugs routinely handed to teens wanting to change gender.
The top child health experts accuse the American Academy of Pediatrics
—AAP—of pushing harmful drugs on transgender-identifying youngsters,
according to damning leaked documents.
Disturbingly, the documents also reveal experts believe the AAP is deliberately silencing internal criticism by blocking moves for a crucial policy review.
The papers, leaked by a whistleblower, expose how rank-and-file AAP members across the U.S.
are slamming the Academy's shoddy drug-and-hormones-first approach to trans-identifying teens.
They insist many would benefit from counseling or therapy instead.
Now, I want to stop.
That's what we are seeing in Europe.
Why is the U.S.
different?
and urge the professional body to follow a more cautious approach,
currently being adopted by similar bodies in other countries. Fast-tracking adolescents into
powerful drug cocktails takes a huge toll on young bodies and can lead to sterility
and osteoporosis, critics say. For many teens, transitioning is celebrated, but others regret
the treatment and seek reversals. And this is the important factor. Across the internet,
there have been attempts at producing or generating forums where people can talk
about their experiences, negative consequences, but they get banned.
There is one subreddit right now that has not yet been shut down called detrans, where people are talking about how they underwent these treatments and they regret it.
I'll tell you, I saw something crazy in, I think it was in Florida.
They had a hearing recently to determine whether or not they would ban sex change therapies, treatments, medical drugs, and things like that for minors.
And a detransitioner spoke up saying that their life had been destroyed because they were fast-tracked.
We had Helena Kirshner on Timcast IRL.
She said that when she turned 18, she went to Planned Parenthood, and boom!
They just handed her the maximum dose testosterone.
Just like that.
And she regretted it.
It was a mistake, and she was on testosterone for two years.
They say, the AAP says its guidelines to reinforce the gender a youth selects, including through drugs, cross-sex hormones, and eventually surgery, are evidence-based and that it's open to collaborative conversations on policy.
But angry AAP members say the Academy changed its rules to block a member-drafted resolution to launch a policy review.
It led to the review being sidelined at the Academy's leadership conference, which ended in Chicago on Monday.
Instead, members took the unusual step of airing their concerns in the comment section for a separate resolution in the AAP's members-only website.
In the comments leaked to DailyMail.com, AAP members said the Academy was endorsing great harm.
That its care package for trans-identifying teens was based on scant and shoddy evidence, and that doling out drugs and hormones was unsafe and unsustainable, before promulgating gender-affirming care, with all of its ethical implications, irreversible bodily changes, sterility, etc.
Don't we want to be sure?
This is the best path, wrote one anxious pediatrician.
Take a look at these comments.
I want to read some of these comments for you.
This is very important, my friends.
Doctors outright rejecting these policies.
One person said, I vote no.
I support Resolution 27, not this one.
The AAP is endorsing great harm without high quality or long-term evidence of benefit.
In May 2022, Redacted, a transgender woman, and the county's leading vaginoplasty surgeon reported at, again, Redacted conference, that 100% of males put on the affirmative care Dutch protocol lose all sexual sensation and function.
They are stripped of the ability to ever have sexual intimacy or fall in love.
We know from other research that most of those kids would likely grow up to be gay.
Is this what we endorse?
Wow.
pediatricians. The UK, Sweden, Finland, France, Australia, and New Zealand are all
backing away from the model supported by the AAP. Online sites where
detransitioners discuss the medical harm done to them are literally growing by
the thousands every month. Resolution 27 calls for a long overdue
evidence-based review of AAP policy. I fear that this resolution would further
cement it in place. Wow. There's more. One person wrote vote no.
As I am unable to comment on Resolution 27, I strongly urge the organization adopt policies to make statements concerning treatment of gender dysphoria in children and youths only after an open and methodological sound process to ensure these statements are based on medical evidence rather than ideology.
I am objecting to my inability to comment on and therefore endorse Resolution 27.
There needs to be more sound research into the long-term benefits and risks of treatment of transgender children before this can be widely accepted and adopted.
What's basically happening is these doctors can't actually comment on a review about these puberty blockers and sex change surgeries for children, so they're using a different article to comment on.
There's a few more, I won't read all of them.
They say another member said there was no good long-term outcome data for those who undergo the arduous physical process of transitioning, and pointed to the 37,000 members of an online forum for regretful detransitioners, as they are known.
What is most needed right now is better research.
To make sure we do the right thing for our patients, wrote the pediatrician, who, like others, we are not identifying, as such views have led to online harassment in the past.
Others bashed the AAP for stonewalling Resolution 27, in which five members called for a rigorous systematic review of the Academy's 2018 gender-affirming policy, saying growing numbers of transitioners regret their treatment and seek reversals.
Unfortunately for them, often it is permanent.
There's videos of women with beards explaining that they can never get rid of the facial hair they grew when they were given cross-sex hormones.
One AAP member complained they were unable to comment on the document.
Another said they no longer trust the AAP as the resolution was removed and debate on the matter was silenced egregiously.
Quote, there is no open dialogue on these medical treatments by the AAP.
Input from the membership must occur.
They mention Resolution 27, the motion that questioned AAP's gender affirmation policy.
You see, five pediatricians in March issued a resolution calling for a rigorous systematic review of the AAP's 2018 gender affirmation policy, warning of growing numbers of detransitioners who come to regret their treatment and seek reversal.
The paper describes ever more clinicians and parents of trans-identifying youth now expressing deep concerns about the use of medical and surgical interventions without sufficient exploratory psychotherapy.
like policy rethinks in Britain, Finland, and other European nations.
The review should cover the safety, efficacy, and risks of childhood social transition, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgery.
It did not advance at the meeting in Chicago.
It was the only resolution affected by new procedural rules introduced by the Academy earlier this year.
The AAP says it changed the rules before it saw the troublesome resolution.
The Academy has some 67,000 members.
Five members wrote the resolution, which we just read.
Julia Mason, an Oregon-based pediatrician and one of the five authors, said ever more colleagues across the U.S.
wanted to slow down the mass handouts of puberty blockers and spend more time evaluating trans-identifying teens.
I'm really disappointed the AAP is being driven by ideology rather than evidence.
Mason, also an advisor to the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine, told DailyMail.com.
They're embarrassed that they've let young activist doctors get them on record in support of gender-affirming care, and now they can't backtrack.
They've suppressed my efforts and come up with new rules to hide what we're trying to say from rank-and-file pediatricians.
Several members said the U.S.
should be guided by policy shifts in Europe, where health chiefs in several countries have backtracked after carrying out their own policy reviews.
Britain's health service recently decided to close the country's only gender identity clinic for children After a damning review and a slew of allegations by former staff and patients about rushing young people onto treatment.
A major Swedish clinic last year stopped giving puberty blockers and hormones to children.
And Finland's health chiefs decided that psychotherapy, not drugs and hormones, should be the first-line treatment for gender dysphoric youngsters.
They go on to mention, Some rather shocking statements from people who had transitioned that I'm going to read for you because these people need to be heard if we are to protect a marginalized community, those who suffer from gender dysphoria.
From the detrans subreddit, they write, I just want to die.
Cry for help.
They go on.
I destroyed my life with puberty blockers.
With the spotlight on this issue now, all sorts of studies are coming out showing how dangerous they are.
They cause brain swelling and vision loss, amongst other things.
It all makes sense now why I'm dealing with a myriad of health issues.
Doctors are helpless and either don't know what to do with me or tell me it's all in my head.
I'm basically a science experiment at this point.
I'm only 24.
I can't imagine suffering another 50 or so years like this.
I just wish all this information coming out existed back in 2014 when I made the horrible decision of going on them.
It could have saved my life.
We desperately want to save lives.
I get it.
But there are some deeply evil people that don't care.
Now, I fully believe there are many activists who genuinely want to save lives and are concerned that transgender youth will commit suicide unless they receive affirmation.
But we're learning now that is not the case across the board.
And all they're doing is actually hurting other people.
So we need a deep cultural re-evaluation to make sure we're protecting marginalized communities.
One person wrote, and this is interesting, How do I keep myself from making the mistake of a lifetime?
They write, Growing up, and even now, I was a short, scrawny, painfully shy, meek and nerdy boy.
I found myself struggling with these things as I came of age, and the confluence of my nerdy interests plus growing involvement in left-wing politics led me to fall down the rabbit hole of gender ideology.
I have had for some time a growing belief that gender ideology, as it pertains to men, is a social contagion, with the consequence of yet little understood self-harm.
It preys on vulnerable young men and promises a panacea to their personal issues that it seldom actually delivers on.
Instead, it deepens them.
And that's what's happening to me.
I'm really struggling.
I can't bear to live in my own skin.
I am bitterly disappointed when everywhere I go I find myself read as male.
I have, as they would say, gender dysphoria, but I don't actually have it.
I'm simulating having it.
And I know I am because I never dealt with any of this before I fell into the clutches of this cult.
Wow!
For a person to say this.
It does cause me enough suffering that it leads me in moments of weakness to seriously consider transitioning.
I know myself.
And I know how that will end, poorly, but I am worried I may do it.
How do I get this stuff out of my head?
How do I feel comfortable in my own skin again?
How do I feel comfortable owning up to my challenges and being myself and not harboring self-destructive delusions?
I don't know.
I think we need doctors to help people.
Parents have complained about being sidelined as their children make rash decisions about changing gender, which are reinforced by clinicians who follow AAP guidelines and provide drugs to those as young as 13.
Last month, California teenager Chloe Cole spoke out against the rush to affirm youngsters with drugs and hormones.
She told a medical panel how she was encouraged as a 13-year-old to take puberty blockers and later have surgery that irreversibly and painfully damaged her body as she transitioned to Leo, a boy.
In her testimony, she warned of the dangers of online LGBTQ activism, unreliable therapists, and a medical process and its reversal that left her unlikely to be able to have children and unable to breastfeed.
I mean, that's permanent.
Here we have...
Likewise, Alia Ismail, 27, from Michigan, has told of how she underwent a medical transition involving hormones and a double mastectomy to become ISA, but then switched back as she was unhappy with the new identity.
Look, this is not something like trying on an outfit, but this is what Helena Kirshner told us.
When she would go online, She was told that because she liked these fantasy articles of gay men, that, well, that means she's probably trans.
And so they said to her, why don't you cut your hair short and see how you feel?
I mean, a short haircut, it'll grow back.
It's not permanent.
Cut your hair short, and if you feel good, maybe that means you're trans.
So she did.
I'm not sure if she was saying she did or that people did, but what happens then is a person would cut their hair short, post photos, and get lavished with positive attention about how cool you look.
Whoa!
You look so cool!
It feels good!
And you're like, wow, how do you feel?
I feel really good.
Dude, if you feel really good and you didn't feel this way before, maybe you're trans.
So then they'd say, why don't you try boys' clothing?
I mean, look, you just try it on, take a picture, see how you feel.
It's not permanent.
And so they do.
They try putting on other clothing, posting photos, and everyone goes, whoa, you look so cool.
You're so cool.
Feels good, doesn't it, to be called cool?
To have someone say, you're the coolest ever, wow, you look amazing, you're so handsome.
And so they say, do you really feel good now?
And say, yeah, I feel really good.
I wonder why?
Well, it's because they're love-bombing you.
Then they say, dude, if you feel really good and you didn't feel this way before, you're probably trans.
They're grooming them.
That's what they're doing.
Then they say, why don't you take the hormones?
Take the hormones.
You already know you feel better this way, but that is permanent.
And these people have come out and explained that's what's happened to them, and they didn't like it, and they wanted to go back to the way they were.
Unfortunately for many of these people, it's often permanent.
They go on to say, The Academy's advice guides the work of some 67,000 members and the gender-affirming policies of President Joe Biden's administration.
Its policy echoes the World Professional Association of Transgender Health and Other Bodies.
Take a look at this.
Do you support state laws or policies that prevent transgender youth from accessing gender transition medical care?
Overwhelmingly.
People oppose this.
That is to say, most people want children to be able to undergo sex changes if they so desire.
Among Democrats, obviously, you've got 17% somewhat opposing and 50% strongly opposed.
Only 14% of Democrats support laws banning child sex changes.
Among Republicans, somehow and shockingly, 24% oppose laws that would ban child sex changes.
And even among independents, the plurality.
You've got 17% somewhat opposing and 20% strongly opposing laws that would prevent child sex change medical intervention.
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I think that's just outright crazy.
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What's fascinating?
They say a majority of U.S.
adults say gender is determined by sex assigned at birth.
Republicans, 86%, say it is assigned at birth.
61% of Democrats say your gender can be different from your sex assigned at birth.
The fascinating thing is the way they describe this.
Assigned?
No.
It is observed.
Often observations can be incorrect.
But no one is assigned a sex.
That's the way they're breaking things down.
And even this poll is busted.
Your gender, arguably, is assigned, I suppose, if they're making an argument about social constructs, but not really.
When a person is born, they are observed to be male or female.
You see the way they've described this?
That's how they make the change.
And over time, this will become the norm, unless conservatives win in the schools.
That's fascinating.
Among 18 to 20-year-olds, it's 50-50, thinking that it could go, you know, either way.
But overwhelmingly, from 30—actually, it says 18 to 20, that makes no sense, because then they go 30 to 39, then they go 50 to 64.
What are these age brackets?
You're skipping 40 to 49 and 21 to 29.
What are you doing here?
Anyway, most people don't agree with this.
But the question itself is broken.
The first question is, do you think sex is assigned?
No, it's observed.
That's a fact statement.
Changes need to happen if we're going to save lives and protect a marginalized community.
So saith the marginalized community themselves.
So I hope the left pays attention, but I don't think they care.
I'll leave it there.
Next segment's coming up at 4 p.m.
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