Tim Pool Daily Show - Inside #MarchForOurLives, The Fight Over The 2nd Amendment in DC
Aired: 2018-03-24
Duration: 21:50


=== Calling for Gun Reform (14:46) ===

[00:00:01]  This is March for Our Lives DC, and this is the main event, right?
[00:00:06]  This protest is happening all over the country, and in fact, several other countries are actually having March for Our Lives events as well.
[00:00:12]  People here are calling for gun reform.
[00:00:14]  And there's a lot of people here who are also calling for things that don't necessarily have anything to do with guns, but it's a general, I would say, left-wing event.
[00:00:24]  We're gonna go in, interview some people, and figure out exactly what they think, and
[00:00:28]  why they think it, and what they're hoping to accomplish.
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[00:01:16]  Hopefully the audio isn't so bad, but do you want to just introduce yourself and explain what you guys are doing?
[00:01:21]  Sure!
[00:01:21]  My name is Pam Campos.
[00:01:22]  I'm the Executive Director of Common Defense, and I'm here with several groups, Vets for Gun Reform, Common Defense, and other veterans that are just sick and tired of corrupt politicians not doing their job.
[00:01:34]  So we're here to support the youth-led movement that's been really so inspiring.
[00:01:39]  What are you hoping today will accomplish?
[00:01:42]  Action!
[00:01:43]  I think all of these folks coming out are sick and tired of inaction.
[00:01:47]  I mean, how many mass shootings do we have to see in our nation, which we served for something better?
[00:01:54]  How many of them do we have to see until politicians finally put people over profits?
[00:02:00]  And I think also we're here to say that veterans are not political props.
[00:02:03]  The NRA is an organization that betrays our values, right?
[00:02:08]  And so we're here to have our own voice and to speak out in what we believe in.
[00:02:12]  Are there any particular actions you're hoping to see Congress take?
[00:02:16]  I mean, for many of us, I think we have handled weapons of war.
[00:02:20]  We've been trained by the best.
[00:02:22]  And there's no conceivable reason why assault rifles should be in the hands of folks that shouldn't have them, right?
[00:02:29]  So we should have stricter gun laws.
[00:02:31]  It's a no-brainer to have more regulation.
[00:02:35]  I'm sorry, assault rifles are actually illegal though.
[00:02:39]  What?
[00:02:39]  Assault rifles have been almost entirely legal since 1986.
[00:02:43]  Right, but my point is that we should have more regulations, right?
[00:02:47]  We shouldn't... I've been at gun shows.
[00:02:50]  I grew up and I built camaraderie with other veterans and I have armaments myself, right?
[00:02:56]  I've been to nice gun shows where people just exchange armaments and money and it's really problematic.
[00:03:03]  Cool.
[00:03:05]  Alright, thank you very much.
[00:03:06]  Great, thank you so much.
[00:03:07]  You want to just tell me about your sign, tell me what you're doing here?
[00:03:11]  As you pointed out, I have again because the first assault weapons ban expired out of political compromise and extreme stupidity years ago, and we're just now getting around to putting it back in place, hopefully very soon.
[00:03:28]  Maybe the next time we won't be so stupid and it'll be permanent.
[00:03:31]  A lot of the talk from the other side is that the assault weapons ban was limited and that it wouldn't actually be effective.
[00:03:39]  For instance... Bullshit.
[00:03:41]  It was better than nothing.
[00:03:43]  That's just a shallow argument.
[00:03:48]  Any gun injuries that are prevented is good.
[00:03:50]  It doesn't have to be perfect.
[00:03:52]  We're perfectly happy with a bunch of small changes that are incremental that change things.
[00:03:57]  And the argument that we have to prove everything in advance is baloney, that we're not interested in engaging in anymore.
[00:04:05]  We're not here because we're hoping that they'll talk to us about it.
[00:04:08]  We're here because we want our elected officials to put meaningful gun regulations in place.
[00:04:14]  We're asking them, we're telling them.
[00:04:16]  And if they tell us, yeah, now, not after they think about it, not after they fund research, now.
[00:04:23]  And that's why my sign says what it is.
[00:04:25]  I want this march to trigger a change in the role of guns in our culture.
[00:04:32]  I want them to be uncool.
[00:04:34]  I want people not to let their kids go to the houses of people who they know own guns.
[00:04:38]  78% of Americans do not own guns.
[00:04:43]  3% on 50% of the guns.
[00:04:46]  And why they are making the rules for all the rest of us and letting these awful things happen is unacceptable.
[00:04:52]  This is the mobilization.
[00:04:53]  Even many gun owners want better, stronger regulations.
[00:04:57]  The time has come.
[00:04:58]  They're drowned out.
[00:04:59]  We're going to flip that strip and we thank the kids for making this happen.
[00:05:03]  So, but there are rural areas that don't have access to, say, police departments or sheriffs or anything like that.
[00:05:08]  They need AR-15s.
[00:05:09]  Nobody needs AR-15s.
[00:05:11]  Nobody needs military weapons.
[00:05:12]  What about when someone comes into your home and there's no police around?
[00:05:15]  I think a shotgun would work pretty good.
[00:05:16]  Even a handgun.
[00:05:17]  That's the whole purpose of handguns, is it not?
[00:05:19]  Self-defense?
[00:05:20]  There should be fewer guns.
[00:05:22]  And most of the time when people actually experience home invasions, they almost never manage to do the good guy with a gun thing and save any lives.
[00:05:29]  The most likely use of a gun in your home is for suicide.
[00:05:32]  So then would you say that assault weapons particularly is what you're looking for in terms of regulation?
[00:05:37]  I want fewer of every possible kind of gun. I'm interested in every kind of regulation.
[00:05:42]  I think we should do to them what has been done to people who try to exercise their reproductive rights
[00:05:48]  and cover them with a blanket of annoying regulations that tamp down access to guns
[00:05:53]  by whatever means passes any kind of constitutional muster.
[00:05:57]  I'm not interested in, oh, you don't like this, and so we won't do it.
[00:06:01]  We're done talking.
[00:06:02]  I was going to give you the one more commonly stated argument.
[00:06:06]  Mhm.
[00:06:08]  Wouldn't this only restrict law-abiding citizens from owning guns and not criminals?
[00:06:12]  So does that mean we shouldn't have laws against murder or theft because criminals break those laws?
[00:06:17]  It's dishonest.
[00:06:18]  It's a silly, dodgy law.
[00:06:21]  And also, actually having these laws Even if it only limits some people or stops some people, some stopping is enough.
[00:06:29]  And we've been doing it all their way forever.
[00:06:33]  We're done doing it their way.
[00:06:34]  So Massachusetts has the best state-level laws.
[00:06:37]  If we took their laws and applied it across the whole country, 27,000 lives are projected to be saved per the front of the Boston Globe today.
[00:06:47]  But don't you think parts of the country are very different from Boston?
[00:06:50]  That's fine, but you know what?
[00:06:52]  We get to try now.
[00:06:53]  And we are not going to be told to sit down and shut up by people who think owning guns is the most important right that they have and that they get to put that above all other rights for all other people.
[00:07:04]  We're done.
[00:07:05]  Thank you.
[00:07:06]  Any final thoughts or anything?
[00:07:08]  Good?
[00:07:12]  Yes, we're here to protect children and innocent people everywhere from guns.
[00:07:20]  The gun lobby is taking over the country and we have to fight back.
[00:07:24]  Your sign says the NRA is a terrorist organization.
[00:07:26]  Yeah, I don't think all the members of the NRA are terrorists, but I think the organization is supporting Because they're valuing guns and weapons, particularly weapons of war, over human life.
[00:07:40]  That's what amounts to a terrorist.
[00:07:42]  So what would you consider a weapon of war?
[00:07:45]  Well, these, you know, these practically, they don't want to regulate guns at all.
[00:07:49]  They want people to be able to carry, you know, weapons that are designed for warfare, not for hunting.
[00:07:56]  So I don't think, you know, probably most NRA members are just, they want the right to carry a gun, you know, for recreational purposes like hunting, which is fine.
[00:08:06]  But weapons that are made for killing people, mass killing, machine gun type weapons, Uh, high-powered weapons.
[00:08:15]  That's not for hunting.
[00:08:15]  That's not for shooting.
[00:08:16]  Well, machine guns have been illegal for a very, very long time.
[00:08:19]  Yes.
[00:08:19]  And assault rifles have been illegal for since 1935 and then again in 1986.
[00:08:23]  Yeah, and the NRA does not support those regulations.
[00:08:26]  Right?
[00:08:27]  They want you to remove all regulations.
[00:08:29]  That's why I say they're a terrorist.
[00:08:31]  So what are you hoping the event will accomplish?
[00:08:33]  Well, I think it'll raise some awareness that large numbers of people in this country don't want to just sit still while the gun lobby pushes its agenda.
[00:08:42]  They want to fight back.
[00:08:43]  They want to raise the issue.
[00:08:45]  They want Congress and the government to think about this and take some action.
[00:08:49]  Instead of just watching the headlines and saying, you know, hopes and prayers, hopes and prayers.
[00:08:54]  That's very nice, but that doesn't accomplish anything.
[00:08:58]  You would say hunting rifles are okay?
[00:09:00]  Yeah, I'm not against guns.
[00:09:02]  There's nothing wrong with guns per se.
[00:09:04]  People should, you know... But guns as instruments of destruction of people, you know, I don't see a reason why we regulate everything else in life.
[00:09:16]  You want to get in your car, you have to put on your seatbelt.
[00:09:18]  You want to do this, you want to do that.
[00:09:21]  You want to go to school, there's regulations on what you can wear.
[00:09:25]  But they want guns to be totally untouched, unregulated, just take them, carry them anywhere, any type, anywhere.
[00:09:32]  No good.
[00:09:33]  Do you think this is a rural or... Bernie Sanders said this is a rural versus urban issue.
[00:09:38]  Yeah, there's some sociological aspects there.
[00:09:41]  Yeah, you know, urban people tend not to be hunters in the city, right?
[00:09:46]  But I, like I say, I think they're turning it into a human rights thing.
[00:09:51]  The right to carry guns, you know, the Second Amendment.
[00:09:55]  I don't think the idea here... I certainly wouldn't support any vision of that that says... On the one hand, I wouldn't say you've got to take guns away from everybody.
[00:10:05]  On the other hand, the gun lobby, for reasons of profit, is fully funded by the people who sell guns and make millions selling guns.
[00:10:15]  That's the other extreme, where they're saying, don't touch our right to push onto the market millions of guns and push it and turn it into an issue as if it's an us versus them.
[00:10:27]  Anyone who wants to regulate guns, watch out, they're coming to take away your guns!
[00:10:31]  No!
[00:10:32]  It's regulation.
[00:10:33]  It's common sense.
[00:10:34]  It's safety for kids in schools, for God's sake.
[00:10:37]  And who are you?
[00:10:39]  Yes.
[00:10:39]  Me?
[00:10:40]  Yeah.
[00:10:40]  I'm a journalist.
[00:10:42]  What's that?
[00:10:42]  Journalist?
[00:10:43]  Just a journalist.
[00:10:44]  Which one do you work for?
[00:10:45]  I don't work for anybody anymore.
[00:10:46]  I just have a social media presence.
[00:10:48]  So, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook.
[00:10:49]  Oh, freeway.
[00:10:52]  Okay.
[00:10:53]  I'm trying not to be a dick.
[00:10:55]  I'm trying not to single out anybody I think is obviously not going to know what's going on.
[00:10:59]  And I just spoke with a woman who had a sign calling for a ban on assault rifles.
[00:11:03]  Now what you guys need to know is that assault rifles are illegal.
[00:11:07]  So an assault rifle is a weapon that is capable of selective fire.
[00:11:10]  Single burst or full auto.
[00:11:12]  I am not a gun expert.
[00:11:13]  I know very little about guns.
[00:11:15]  But, I did a Google search, and I read about the basics to better understand what's going on, and I will say, again, I know very, very little, but at least that much.
[00:11:24]  Now, assault weapons in the 90s referred to a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, among a few other things.
[00:11:31]  It included high-capacity magazines, And was typically seen as stopping these rifles that were semi-automatic, which means you pull the trigger once, one bullet comes out, another bullet enters the chamber, and in 2004 this expired.
[00:11:46]  So there are a lot of people now saying they want to reinstate the ban on assault weapons.
[00:11:50]  But as far as I can see, the latest iteration of the assault weapons ban would basically include majority of guns.
[00:11:57]  Even a Glock 9mm, a very common handgun used by law enforcement that would fall under assault weapons.
[00:12:04]  It would be a semi-automatic assault weapon and be illegal to possess.
[00:12:08]  So, the woman I just spoke with wanted to ban assault rifles.
[00:12:11]  Well, they're already banned.
[00:12:13]  And she didn't want to go on camera because I'm nice to people and I'm not trying to make anybody look foolish or anything like that.
[00:12:19]  So, I'm gonna get a couple more interviews and then give you my final assessment.
[00:12:26]  It looks like you're carrying a pro-gun sign, but I think it might be facetious?
[00:12:31]  No, it means that if concealed carry is good enough for schools, it should be good enough for the halls of Congress.
[00:12:41]  And they don't allow guns in the halls of Congress?
[00:12:43]  No.
[00:12:44]  So would you really be in favor of having concealed carry in the halls of Congress?
[00:12:48]  Sure, because if that were to happen, There's also a similar argument in that, for instance, I'm from Chicago.
[00:12:53]  The politicians there have weapons and bodyguards, but they're also trying to restrict the guns from the average person.
[00:12:58]  So it's a similar argument.
[00:12:59]  I'm just saying concealed carry is great for everywhere else but not where we were.
[00:13:04]  It's hypocrisy.
[00:13:05]  There's also a similar argument in that, for instance I'm from Chicago, the politicians
[00:13:09]  there have weapons and bodyguards but they're also trying to restrict the guns from the
[00:13:13]  average person.
[00:13:14]  So it's a similar argument, how would you feel about that?
[00:13:16]  Well, it's kind of a similar argument.
[00:13:18]  It's like Wayne LaPierre, if you ever see him roaming the halls of Congress, he has like four bodyguards with him.
[00:13:24]  Head of the NRA, you know.
[00:13:26]  So, you make sure he's protected.
[00:13:28]  But I would feel like then, if they did regulate firearms for the regular, for average people, but they themselves were allowed to carry, that would kind of be...
[00:13:36]  It's like the same argument.
[00:13:37]  You see what I'm saying?
[00:13:37]  Well, this is sort of facetious because it's never going to happen.
[00:13:40]  There's no way Congress is going to allow any guns near them.
[00:13:43]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:13:44]  Unless it's their guns.
[00:13:46]  Right.
[00:13:46]  Alright, man.
[00:13:47]  Thank you very much.
[00:13:48]  Have a good one.
[00:13:48]  Do you just want to tell me what's going on?
[00:13:50]  What are you doing here?
[00:13:51]  Well, this is a chance to speak out in favor of reasonable gun control legislation.
[00:13:57]  That's what we want.
[00:13:58]  What would you define as reasonable gun control?
[00:14:00]  That's a really interesting question.
[00:14:03]  It certainly means universal background checks.
[00:14:06]  It certainly means nobody needs an AR-15 except a soldier on the front fighting.
[00:14:11]  So that's two things.
[00:14:12]  It certainly means handguns are much too prevalent in the United States.
[00:14:18]  Too many handguns.
[00:14:19]  We need to limit them to no repeaters.
[00:14:23]  and maybe only to sportsmen and the police.
[00:14:26]  So we need a major change, but the Congress is gutless.
[00:14:29]  Mr. Trump is in the pocket of the NRA, along with the majority up there.
[00:14:32]  There's some good ones.
[00:14:34]  What do you mean by repeater?
[00:14:35]  That's a handgun that can hold a clip for about 20 shots.
[00:14:39]  It's a Glock, I guess, or whatever.
[00:14:41]  I'm not sure the name is.
[00:14:42]  It's not that you're saying people can't have multiple guns.
[00:14:45]  That's another possibility.
[00:14:46]  That would be another possibility.

=== Regulating Handguns in America (02:42) ===

[00:14:47]  You know, Massachusetts has a death rate of about 5 people per 100,000 or something like that.
[00:14:54]  They are the lowest state because they have state laws allowing the police to pull a gun away from a dangerous, mentally disturbed person.
[00:15:02]  We don't even have that in most states.
[00:15:04]  The death rate in a state like Tennessee is three times Massachusetts.
[00:15:08]  And I don't know the other states, but they're all available.
[00:15:11]  So even state laws Like dealer 100% checked before they can sell, dealer licensing, and a few other things.
[00:15:21]  I don't want to take all this time.
[00:15:25]  Thank you very much.
[00:15:25]  Oh, I got some more questions though, is that okay?
[00:15:27]  Yeah, okay.
[00:15:30]  I think one of the biggest challenges, and this is from Bernie Sanders who said this, it's a rural versus urban issue.
[00:15:36]  That there are reasons for certain weapons in areas that are far out in the middle of nowhere.
[00:15:42]  Do you think these laws should regulate a blanket regulation across the board for everybody or should it be specific?
[00:15:47]  Nobody needs an AR-15 to kill a deer or an home invader.
[00:15:52]  I'll buy that.
[00:15:53]  Nobody needs an AR-15 to kill a deer.
[00:15:55]  But let's think about that one.
[00:15:57]  Australia.
[00:15:57]  Do they have any rural areas?
[00:15:59]  Oh yeah.
[00:16:00]  Australia has good gun laws and they have a death rate which is minute compared to ours.
[00:16:08]  So you could write a national statute giving states the right to vary it in certain ways.
[00:16:14]  The rural issue goes to the question of hunting.
[00:16:18]  I don't know what else.
[00:16:18]  I mean, target practice maybe?
[00:16:20]  You could store your gun at a gun show, at a gun store, or a gun sporting club.
[00:16:26]  There'd be plenty of ways to... But we need a national statute as a basis, and then the states can go higher.
[00:16:33]  So, I'll give you some of the more common responses.
[00:16:35]  Sure.
[00:16:36]  That, you know, restricting guns or regulating guns will only... Those regulations will only affect those who are willing to obey the law.
[00:16:43]  And certainly there are criminals who don't care anyway.
[00:16:45]  Well, that's true.
[00:16:46]  I'm a lawyer, as you might have guessed.
[00:16:48]  So that's true of any law.
[00:16:51]  Everybody can try to violate it or actually violate it.
[00:16:56]  We count on American citizens to have a sense of love of their country and obedience to the law.
[00:17:01]  And if not, we'll arrest them and put them in jail.
[00:17:04]  Actually, there should be a requirement that guns be turned in when they're not legally licensed.
[00:17:09]  So, will people obey that for a while?
[00:17:11]  It'll be slow, but it's a lot better than the shooting gallery we have in this country now.
[00:17:15]  It's a disgrace.
[00:17:17]  Civilized countries like Britain, Australia, and others are far ahead of us on this issue.
[00:17:22]  We are much bigger, though.
[00:17:24]  Yes, we are bigger.
[00:17:25]  So, who do you work for?
[00:17:28]  Nobody.

=== Live Debate: Gun Regulation (04:20) ===

[00:17:29]  Why are you doing this?
[00:17:31]  Passion.
[00:17:33]  What?
[00:17:33]  Passion.
[00:17:34]  It's no wonder the police have more problems and are shooting more than they should because they are facing an armed puppet.
[00:17:49]  And a kid takes out a cell phone, they think it's a gun.
[00:17:52]  If we didn't have so many guns, there wouldn't be so many mistakes.
[00:17:57]  I guess blanket regulation across the board might help reduce the amount of guns in general.
[00:18:03]  Ultimately, it would take some time.
[00:18:04]  Unfortunately.
[00:18:05]  Won't work right away.
[00:18:06]  We gotta go.
[00:18:08]  Okay, thanks.
[00:18:08]  Nice talking to you.
[00:18:10]  Not a lot of people ask me about doing a live stream, but this is not something you live stream.
[00:18:15]  This is just a big rally.
[00:18:18]  A bunch of people are gathering, mostly agree, not gonna be anything.
[00:18:23]  relevant for a live broadcast, for the most part.
[00:18:26]  So the most effective thing I could do, get these videos, do some interviews, and show you what I think this is all about.
[00:18:31]  And I want to say a few things.
[00:18:33]  One, I certainly did not interview everybody here.
[00:18:36]  That would be impossible.
[00:18:38]  I did a handful of interviews.
[00:18:39]  I didn't use all of them, just because audio is really difficult.
[00:18:43]  It's really, really loud.
[00:18:44]  But what I can say is, There were a decent amount of people who have a general good idea and they think that they should enact certain laws in some places because it would be better than nothing.
[00:18:58]  One of the things I hear a lot from the pro-gun side is that this is a debate between gun owners who understand guns and people who don't.
[00:19:06]  And I think that is, for the most part, the case.
[00:19:10]  Many people that I spoke with didn't understand very basic things about gun regulation.
[00:19:14]  For instance, what an assault weapon was.
[00:19:17]  And the definition can vary.
[00:19:18]  Certainly now, there's a bill in, I believe there's a bill in Congress, which classifies even semi-automatic handguns as assault weapons.
[00:19:28]  So when you hear a lot of people say something to me like, I don't want to take away everyone's guns, but we should ban assault weapons, for the most part, that would take away most guns from most people.
[00:19:39]  And they would have to do some kind of buyback.
[00:19:41]  It's very complicated.
[00:19:42]  I don't think the issue is as black and white as, you got some people who understand guns and some people who don't.
[00:19:46]  Certainly there are a lot of people here who do get it.
[00:19:49]  I would say.
[00:19:50]  I was surprised to speak with the veteran who said that people shouldn't be walking around with assault rifles when they don't.
[00:19:58]  When assault rifles are illegal.
[00:20:00]  And I think you'll definitely hear a lot of hyperbole.
[00:20:03]  People saying things like Military weapons, or military-style rifles.
[00:20:10]  And this is another part of the debate, the semantics involved.
[00:20:13]  Certainly, the military has full-auto.
[00:20:16]  I would... I would... Again, I'm not an expert, but my assumption is that people who are in the military have selective fire.
[00:20:23]  Single, burst, and full-auto.
[00:20:25]  In which case, people aren't walking around with these weapons.
[00:20:27]  Assault rifles are actually banned in this country.
[00:20:29]  So, it's certainly interesting to see the fervor over the gun control debate.
[00:20:37]  I don't know if anything... I don't see anything getting done with big events like this.
[00:20:42]  I do see things changing.
[00:20:45]  But I don't think that I've heard any cohesive solution.
[00:20:48]  And certainly, the mass, the entire group of those who want to push for these changes, will likely, in my opinion, bring about a change that doesn't directly address the problems.
[00:21:00]  It might reduce them in some ways, but what I tend to find with most protests, with most political change, is that people don't think about what comes after.
[00:21:09]  You pass the bill because it sounds like this will make the difference you need.
[00:21:15]  This will make the difference you want right now, but what comes after that?
[00:21:19]  Will the bills, will the laws they pass have a long-term effect?
[00:21:24]  Not positive.
[00:21:26]  I don't know if that's the case, but I guess we'll see what happens.
[00:21:29]  You know, I'm not necessarily for or against a lot of Gun control, per se.
[00:21:34]  I think there's a lot of good arguments to be made for specific regulation, but I certainly think there are some people who are too extreme on the ownership and the banning side, right?
[00:21:43]  So there needs to be some kind of balance.
[00:21:45]  I don't know if we're gonna find it here, but thanks for hanging out and watching.
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[00:21:49]  Stay tuned.