Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - GOP SUSPENDS Primary After SCOTUS Ruling, Democrats DECLARE WAR | Timcast IRL
Aired: 2026-04-30
Duration: 02:39:54


=== Redistricting Battles Intensify (02:18) ===

[00:02:54]  Louisiana has announced it is suspending its primaries for the House after the Supreme Court ruled that they had racially gerrymandered congressional districts.
[00:03:03]  And now Kathy Hochul is responding that New York will proceed and we're off to the races.
[00:03:09]  We already had this big redistricting battle.
[00:03:11]  Several states were already doing this.
[00:03:12]  Democrat, Republican, everybody's blaming each other.
[00:03:15]  But now with this Supreme Court ruling, basically every single state has an opportunity to make an argument they need to redistrict just before.
[00:03:24]  The midterm elections.
[00:03:25]  Now, some prominent Democrats say it won't matter because mail in votes have already been sent out in many of these Republican states.
[00:03:31]  Anyway, so what are they going to do about it?
[00:03:32]  The ballots are already out.
[00:03:34]  Louisiana just said, so what?
[00:03:36]  They've suspended the primary.
[00:03:38]  They are going to redraw their maps in the 11th hour to give the Republicans two more seats.
[00:03:44]  And Democrats are pissed, but I don't see them complaining about Virginia.
[00:03:48]  So nobody really has a leg to stand on.
[00:03:50]  This is it.
[00:03:51]  This is the game.
[00:03:52]  Take your state, take your control, turn it into a 100% Democrat or Republican state.
[00:03:57]  And then we'll see who wins.
[00:03:58]  Oh, what's that?
[00:03:58]  Republicans are going to win.
[00:03:59]  That's right.
[00:04:00]  Right now, if every state were to go blue and red purely, it would be a one seat Republican advantage.
[00:04:07]  Not particularly good, but better than Democrats losing 30.
[00:04:11]  If the VRA, gerrymandered districts, are redrawn, the Republicans can capture 30 seats.
[00:04:18]  Now, here's what gets crazy.
[00:04:19]  Based on interstate migration, Democrats are already expected to lose something like 20 seats, some ridiculous number.
[00:04:30]  You combine this with the VRA, and we are looking at the potential for a permanent Republican supermajority.
[00:04:37]  I mean it, supermajority in the House, where they're going to have upwards of 30 or 40 seats above Democrats.
[00:04:43]  So, this is the Democrats, they've got to go full scale warfare on this one.
[00:04:48]  That's why Hakeem Jeffery said maximum warfare.
[00:04:51]  And he's proposing retaliation.
[00:04:54]  Now, the funny thing is, he says, oh, yeah, well, you know, Illinois, New York, and California, and everyone's already like, you've already gerrymandered those states beyond recognition.
[00:05:03]  I mean, You can squeeze a little bit more out of California, but Illinois, I don't know what you can get to that thing.
[00:05:08]  That's like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip, but they'll try.

=== Permanent Republican Supermajority (02:17) ===

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=== Chicago's Political Bind (16:11) ===

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[00:07:46]  Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Theo Wold.
[00:07:50]  Yeah.
[00:07:51]  Great to be here, guys.
[00:07:52]  Thanks for having me.
[00:07:52]  Who are you?
[00:07:53]  What do you do?
[00:07:53]  Theo Wold, Trump 45 White House alum and DOJ, former Solicitor General of Idaho.
[00:08:00]  And, uh, Probably the best thing about me.
[00:08:02]  I'm a dad to five kids.
[00:08:04]  That's absolutely incredible.
[00:08:05]  That is the best thing.
[00:08:06]  People got to have more babies.
[00:08:07]  Yeah.
[00:08:08]  Amen.
[00:08:08]  I've been hanging out with my daughter all day and she's giggling and sassing.
[00:08:12]  Career is like awesome when you're young, but then when you're in your older years, it's like, okay, I already did it.
[00:08:16]  Now what?
[00:08:17]  Well, you do both.
[00:08:17]  That's like supposed to be family, you know, for the second part of your life.
[00:08:20]  You do both, you know?
[00:08:21]  Do both.
[00:08:21]  You look like a young man.
[00:08:22]  When'd you get started?
[00:08:25]  10 years ago.
[00:08:26]  Wow.
[00:08:26]  Nice.
[00:08:26]  Had a honeymoon baby and we've been going ever since.
[00:08:29]  That sounds like the right way to do it.
[00:08:30]  Yeah.
[00:08:31]  Honeymoon baby.
[00:08:31]  Yeah, totally.
[00:08:32]  Nice, nice.
[00:08:33]  It'll be good to have you because we're talking about all of this gerrymandering stuff and the lawsuits in states, and I think you can help us out with that.
[00:08:40]  So thanks for coming.
[00:08:40]  Thanks for having me.
[00:08:41]  A lot of here is here, of course.
[00:08:43]  White House correspondent here at Timcast, a lot of Eliyahu.
[00:08:45]  It's good to be here.
[00:08:46]  Looking cleanly shorn.
[00:08:47]  Sorry to interrupt you there.
[00:08:48]  So it's all good.
[00:08:49]  What did you say?
[00:08:50]  Looking cleanly shorn.
[00:08:51]  You look nice.
[00:08:52]  Thank you.
[00:08:52]  I got a sense of shave.
[00:08:54]  Mustache is impressive.
[00:08:55]  Thank you.
[00:08:56]  He's trying to look like his hero, John Bolton.
[00:08:59]  Oh.
[00:09:00]  Well, given the circumstances, I figured I had to bring you back and come on strong.
[00:09:03]  What's up, bros?
[00:09:04]  Ian Crossland in the house.
[00:09:05]  Good to be here.
[00:09:05]  Carter Banks.
[00:09:06]  Carter Banks also in the House.
[00:09:08]  And let's go, Tim.
[00:09:09]  Here's a story from the Washington Post.
[00:09:10]  Louisiana House suspends House primaries as red states face pressure to redistrict.
[00:09:16]  Governor Landry issued the order pausing next month's primaries until lawmakers can approve a new map, which could help the GOP gain one or two seats in the state this fall.
[00:09:25]  Now, it's not just Louisiana following the Supreme Court ruling.
[00:09:29]  Kathy Hochul moves to change the New York district map after SCOTUS ruling bans race based gerrymandering.
[00:09:36]  So I will say this.
[00:09:37]  In the end, if you get rid of all these VRA districts, you're looking at 20 to 30 seats gained by Republicans.
[00:09:44]  Combine that with the 2030 census, we are looking at Democrats losing an additional 20 or so seats.
[00:09:49]  I mean, this news is apocalyptic for Democrats.
[00:09:52]  Now, I will stress this with the news that, with the ruling from the Supreme Court, you got a lot of people saying, of course, that Republicans can gain a bunch of seats.
[00:10:04]  But the truth is, Democrats can as well.
[00:10:06]  If there's purple or blue controlled states, they can just all.
[00:10:10]  Argue, you know what?
[00:10:11]  We should redraw our maps too, just to be sure.
[00:10:15]  And if they have the political power, they're going to make that argument.
[00:10:18]  This map is one of the most interesting.
[00:10:20]  This is a map if all of the states maximally gerrymandered what it would look like.
[00:10:26]  Now, to be fair, Maine probably could eliminate this red seed, but the argument for this map is Maine is fairly split.
[00:10:34]  If you dilute too much of the blue, then you might actually just create two toss ups.
[00:10:38]  In order to create maximally Red and blue districts, you end up with 217 Democrat to 218 Republican, and it will just be this.
[00:10:47]  No more, I live in a district and there's mixed representation.
[00:10:50]  It's literally just if your state is red, you're red.
[00:10:52]  If your state is blue, you're blue.
[00:10:54]  And I really do love this California map that people are showing off because all it does is put like 30 districts in San Francisco.
[00:11:01]  You see this?
[00:11:03]  Every single district just touches San Francisco to make sure it's a Democrat district.
[00:11:07]  And this is one of the maps proposed by Democrats to eliminate four Republican seats.
[00:11:12]  So, what I will say is, all of the news seems to be good for Republicans going into this midterm if they take this action.
[00:11:18]  The question is, will they take the action?
[00:11:21]  I think that's the crucial question.
[00:11:23]  And it's the initial answer here from Jeff Landry is yes.
[00:11:27]  I think he's already set this off where neighboring state, you know, Kay Ivey in Alabama, her first response to the court case was sorry, we've got some pending federal litigation.
[00:11:38]  We're not going to be able to do this.
[00:11:40]  So the gauntlet's thrown not just at the Democrats, but I think the other Republican governors in the Southeast by Governor Landry here.
[00:11:46]  So it's a big move.
[00:11:48]  Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts on what's going on here.
[00:11:50]  I don't know if you guys have also mentioned maybe yesterday or earlier this week that Florida's also planning their own redundancy.
[00:11:55]  Redistricting.
[00:11:56]  That would flip four seats, I believe.
[00:11:57]  Four seats that would flip to the GOP.
[00:12:00]  You know, you have to imagine at the end of the day, if all these states go to their maximum gerrymander, as like your previous picture or map showed, you have to imagine all of this just becomes a wash and we just wasted a ton of time where these states probably could have been doing something better and passed bills that affect their constituents' lives in a meaningful way.
[00:12:20]  But instead of doing that, they're clogging up their state government time with this.
[00:12:26]  And I don't know.
[00:12:27]  You have to think it's a.
[00:12:29]  Just a waste of time and resources.
[00:12:31]  And I mean, people were fundraising based off of this.
[00:12:32]  They were ballot initiatives in some states.
[00:12:35]  And if all of this is just a wash, it just goes to show how far it is.
[00:12:38]  Well, Jarvis, listen.
[00:12:39]  I mean, two seats from Louisiana.
[00:12:42]  Sure.
[00:12:42]  Well, we'll have to see what will happen in the midterms ultimately if Trump avoids having the Democrats take over.
[00:12:48]  I will say, though, for New York's case, I think Kathy Hochul might be wrongfully optimistic.
[00:12:54]  Back in 2014, the New York State House passed a constitutional law preventing.
[00:13:01]  Gerrymandering from happening.
[00:13:02]  And she actually tried to do so in 2022.
[00:13:04]  And the Supreme Court in New York shot that down.
[00:13:07]  It would not be.
[00:13:07]  Yes, but the new Supreme Court ruling creates precedent that can be used by anyone.
[00:13:13]  Kathy Hochul can now argue they have no choice because they have to reassess the maps to make sure they're not racially gerrymandered.
[00:13:20]  And then they can just argue, you know what?
[00:13:23]  This one is.
[00:13:24]  They find a Republican district, too many Hispanic people, too many white people.
[00:13:29]  They can make any argument they want at this point.
[00:13:31]  Yeah.
[00:13:31]  And I mean, there are seven Republican seats in New York that they could squeeze out.
[00:13:35]  Here's the crazy thing about the ruling is that what Alito said was the only guarantee you have as a minority is that you won't be, they won't use race as a factor in your district.
[00:13:48]  Now, let's say they end up redistricting in New York.
[00:13:52]  Well, then someone files a lawsuit, says, oh, no, they used race, they're just lying.
[00:13:57]  And then it goes to court again to try and figure out whether they used race or not.
[00:14:00]  And then New York says, no, we did it by politics.
[00:14:02]  And he's going to say, then how come it's got a higher proportion of, you know, black and Hispanics than white people?
[00:14:06]  So, Now, what are they supposed to do?
[00:14:08]  In order to avoid any challenge to the map, every district must be parity with nation level statistics on ethnicity and race?
[00:14:16]  That can't happen.
[00:14:17]  That's also a very communist way to look at things.
[00:14:20]  We are all the same.
[00:14:21]  So, what happens to Chicago when they say this district is majority black?
[00:14:26]  It's a racially gerrymandered district.
[00:14:28]  So, Illinois can't get really any more Democrat.
[00:14:32]  To be fair, some of the maps people have made of Illinois to make it Democrat, every district is a thin vertical stripe that goes up and touches Chicago.
[00:14:40]  It's the.
[00:14:41]  Yeah, they could make the craziest dumb maps, but I think those wouldn't pass.
[00:14:45]  But they've already gerrymandered to Oblivion to create Democrat seats.
[00:14:48]  I don't know how they make more Democrat seats than they already did.
[00:14:51]  Yeah, and I think the interesting thing in citing Chicago as an example is the Democrats are also in something of a political bind with one of their leading constituency groups here because there's some seats that you cannot reconfigure without sacrificing black members of Congress.
[00:15:06]  And so, I mean, Democrats could go to maximally redraw Illinois, but you're going to lose some of those old school black Democrats like a Danny Davis or someone like that or Benny Thompson in Mississippi, for example.
[00:15:18]  He's going to lose his seat.
[00:15:18]  So I think, yeah, when you're looking at the Illinois map.
[00:15:21]  Look at this Illinois map.
[00:15:22]  It's insane, but there's also going to be a lot of pressure on Democrats, especially in New York, to keep some of those safe black members of Congress in some kind of seat, even if it's not a majority black district.
[00:15:33]  Can we just talk about how insane that is?
[00:15:35]  That imagine, you know, Democrats come to you and they say, hey, we're going to make it so your district is all black people.
[00:15:43]  And you're a black guy and you're like, but I'm a big fan of Thomas Sowell, and the guy across the street is a communist who wants to vote for communism.
[00:15:52]  How are we going to share a representative when our political values are totally different?
[00:15:56]  Doesn't matter.
[00:15:57]  You're both black.
[00:15:58]  That's the Democrat strategy.
[00:15:59]  That's their ethos.
[00:16:01]  That's insane.
[00:16:03]  What brings you all together is not whether you understand, agree with, or disagree on policy, it's your skin.
[00:16:09]  That's what Democrats are saying with the VRA.
[00:16:11]  I do think, I mentioned this last night, I think that it came from a place where when they were blockbusting and like all the rich white guys would stage, take like 18 blocks of nice area and they'd say, no, black people can't move in, or they wouldn't say it out loud.
[00:16:23]  That's redlining, not blockbusting.
[00:16:24]  Redlining, thank you, thank you, redlining, redlining.
[00:16:26]  And then they, you know, the blockbusting is when they intentionally blockbust.
[00:16:28]  Do move black people into white neighborhoods.
[00:16:30]  Oh, okay.
[00:16:31]  Okay.
[00:16:32]  So redlining, and then they would just turn down their applications.
[00:16:35]  They wouldn't rent to them and things.
[00:16:36]  And then, so then the lawmaker's like, look, we have to make sure these people still have a voice on the outskirts of town.
[00:16:41]  We can't let these people in the middle of town control everything.
[00:16:44]  So I see where it comes from.
[00:16:45]  No, no, no.
[00:16:45]  But I think it's gone too far over decades and decades.
[00:16:47]  It was always, always silly to say what makes your voice is your race.
[00:16:54]  That was always silly to say.
[00:16:56]  Yeah, it was supposed to be your location.
[00:16:58]  I mean, it's supposed to be where you are.
[00:17:00]  Well, it's not necessarily location.
[00:17:01]  Geography does.
[00:17:02]  Play a role, but it's economics.
[00:17:04]  It's economic standing.
[00:17:05]  It is industry.
[00:17:07]  So, what they do with these maps, I mean, let's pull up this Illinois proposed map.
[00:17:11]  To gerrymander Illinois and make it all Democrat, this is the proposed map.
[00:17:15]  I don't think anyone seriously considers this because it would never get passed.
[00:17:18]  But the people down here near, you know, let's go near East St. Louis, just south of it.
[00:17:25]  They stretch this district all the way, it's hilarious, into Chicago.
[00:17:29]  A guy who lives in Chicago and a guy who lives south of East St. Louis have very little in common economically, industrially.
[00:17:36]  They're not voting for things together.
[00:17:38]  So there's a proposed map for Louisiana after this gerrymandered, which makes a lot of sense.
[00:17:42]  The whole coastal region is a district.
[00:17:46]  Why?
[00:17:46]  These people live by water.
[00:17:48]  So there's the seafood industry, oil industry, there's flood erosion.
[00:17:53]  Coastal erosion.
[00:17:54]  So they're going to vote based on things.
[00:17:55]  And guess what?
[00:17:56]  If you're a black guy and your neighbor's a white guy, and next to him is an Asian guy, and next to him is a Mexican guy, and next to him is an Indian paraplegic transgender Muslim, Doesn't even matter because they're all going to say, We have a problem with coastal erosion.
[00:18:11]  Then they all go to a candidate and he says, I want to implement race based policies.
[00:18:16]  And they'll go, We don't care about that.
[00:18:18]  We're all mad that our homes are sinking.
[00:18:21]  That's what brings people together in terms of their interests that need to be represented in Congress.
[00:18:25]  When a congressman goes to the federal government and says, My district needs money, with this map in Illinois, they're going to say, What does it need money for?
[00:18:32]  And they're going to go, Gay race communism?
[00:18:35]  Is that representing anybody?
[00:18:36]  No.
[00:18:36]  But if you actually broke it down by, say, like farmland, they're going to be like, we need funding for, you know, machinery subsidy, corn subsidy, or something like that, whether you agree or not.
[00:18:46]  They're all going to come together and say, our district, we all work in the same area.
[00:18:51]  We have similar values.
[00:18:52]  This person represents us, and they're going to go to Congress for us.
[00:18:55]  If this map, this Illinois map, were real, would that mean that all the Republican voters then, when they vote for their representative, they have to vote for a Democrat?
[00:19:05]  How does this work?
[00:19:06]  Yes.
[00:19:07]  So, I mean, there's no, no, they don't have it.
[00:19:08]  It means that your Republican candidate will only ever get 30%.
[00:19:10]  Exactly.
[00:19:11]  Yeah.
[00:19:12]  Only ever get 30% of what?
[00:19:13]  Of the vote in your district.
[00:19:14]  Yeah.
[00:19:14]  I mean, you'd have Republican candidates, but they'd be annihilated in the general election.
[00:19:19]  But what if 60% of one of these blue local candidates vote Republican?
[00:19:22]  They're not.
[00:19:22]  That's why they're blue.
[00:19:23]  They're not.
[00:19:23]  They're blue.
[00:19:23]  Notice, Ian, that each district is a thin strip that goes into Chicago.
[00:19:27]  Oh, so this is just a color indicates the majority of the people in that zone are leaning.
[00:19:33]  Yes, that's why it's all blue.
[00:19:34]  And the middle one is light blue, indicating it's probably 55% Democrat.
[00:19:38]  So, you'll never really get a Republican winner.
[00:19:41]  The idea is everybody south of Chicago on the far right strip going down, this strip right here, every single person from this point down is a Republican.
[00:19:51]  But in Chicago, there's 200,000 Democrats.
[00:19:55]  So, when it comes to elections, the Democrats win the district every single time.
[00:19:59]  So, then if you just made Chicago its own zone and gave it like 12 seats or I don't know, whatever the aggregate proportion, then you just let all the farmers have their one.
[00:20:09]  Representative, that's how it was in Illinois for a long time.
[00:20:12]  Southern Illinois, and they in the last redistricting eliminated most of the Republican agricultural based seats.
[00:20:19]  So, this is just a maximalist move for what Democrats in Illinois have already done.
[00:20:24]  I think Tim is right, like you kind of look at it, it's like how much more can you get out of it because they've already done a version of this, nothing as obscene as that.
[00:20:32]  But so here's Illinois now, and you can take a look at Chicago and you can see they've actually kind of done this.
[00:20:38]  So, you know, why is the first district stretching this little tiny portion right into Chicago like that?
[00:20:43]  Yeah.
[00:20:43]  What's the point of doing that to make it a Democrat seat?
[00:20:47]  So then you can take a look at Rockford.
[00:20:49]  I love this.
[00:20:49]  Rockford's up here, and you stretch all the way around and down to Bloomington.
[00:20:55]  What is this?
[00:20:56]  It's because they want the city of Bloomington and normal, if we call it Bloomington normal, they want that to be in the same district as Rockford because it increases the amount of Democrats above 50% to guarantee they always win.
[00:21:08]  And then my favorite, of course, well, the other one was my favorite.
[00:21:11]  This one's my next big favorite 13.
[00:21:14]  Same thing, slicing through rural Southern Illinois farmland to connect East St. Louis, Belleville with Springfield, Decatur, and Champaign, Urbana to lump all of these tiny urban centers into one district to justify a Democrat majority district.
[00:21:31]  Because here's the reality outside of Springfield, this whole chunk, they got a lot in common with each other.
[00:21:36]  Not with Springfield, though.
[00:21:37]  Same thing with all these cities.
[00:21:38]  If they just broke these up like normal blocks based on farmland industry, there would be no Democrat seats.
[00:21:45]  They have already gerrymandered to oblivion.
[00:21:48]  I mean, if they want to try and go ham with it and do something like this, that'll never get through a court, but that'd be hilarious if they tried.
[00:21:54]  Theo, what's your, I kind of guess, reaction to these hardball politics and the escalation that we're seeing in it?
[00:22:01]  Yeah.
[00:22:01]  I mean, I think, look, I think Tim said this the other day where you take the Democrats at their word, which is it's maximum warfare, as the speaker in waiting, Hakeem Jeffries said.
[00:22:13]  And I think this gets back to the question of like, are Republicans actually going to exercise the will to maximize their advantage here?
[00:22:19]  Which is, you got to understand.
[00:22:21]  What does the game look like now?
[00:22:23]  The Democrats see what's coming, which is if you stop counting illegals in the census, if you actually eliminate race based districts, these majority minority districts, and if you stop some of the gimmicks that they played with election integrity rules in the 2020 and in some places in the 2024 election, a lot of the illegitimate electoral gains from Democrats just vanishes overnight.
[00:22:48]  And then you tie in there, like as you mentioned, Tim, the great sort where you have people leaving places like Orange County, California, and they're moving to places like where I'm at.
[00:22:55]  Boise, Idaho, or they're leaving Seattle and they're going to places like Montana.
[00:22:59]  A lot.
[00:23:00]  We are, we are right now as a country sorting ourselves.
[00:23:04]  Sadly, I mean, this may offend some people, but we're sorting ourselves ideologically.
[00:23:07]  Geographic hyperpolarization.
[00:23:09]  But I see somebody in the chat.
[00:23:10]  They said, Tim, the Republicans are doing the exact same thing.
[00:23:14]  False.
[00:23:15]  Let me show you.
[00:23:16]  So this is 270 to win, and we can take a look at the new Virginia map.
[00:23:20]  And you'll notice five congressional districts all in Fairfax County.
[00:23:24]  They actually did the meme.
[00:23:27]  We were joking about Illinois.
[00:23:29]  This is what they did in Virginia to eliminate four Republican seats.
[00:23:32]  They made all of them go into one urban environment where there's a high density of Democrats so that they could eliminate four seats.
[00:23:39]  Now, I want to show you this.

=== Geographic Hyperpolarization (15:14) ===

[00:23:41]  This is where the fight began.
[00:23:42]  So I got a correction from last night and checked to C. Nosky in the Discord for correcting this.
[00:23:47]  This begins in 2020 with the census.
[00:23:50]  Following the census, Texas decided to redistrict based on the new population numbers and population movement.
[00:23:56]  The Biden DOJ filed a lawsuit blocking.
[00:24:00]  The 2021 redistricting, which was on time, arguing the new districts were racially discriminatory.
[00:24:06]  Now, one could argue they are or they aren't, but either way, this fight began.
[00:24:11]  When the Trump administration got in, one of the first things they did was they dropped that legal battle.
[00:24:17]  Now, for the first time, Texas was able to finish its redistricting.
[00:24:22]  And thus they did.
[00:24:23]  From the Texas Tribune, DOJ drops fight against Texas political maps as the Trump administration retreats from voting rights cases.
[00:24:30]  The principal argument made by the Biden DOJ over racism was not even that they were eliminating seats to create new Republican seats.
[00:24:39]  It's that it made existing Republican seats slightly more red, making them less competitive for Democrats.
[00:24:47]  Again, they did not create new seats, they made less competitive seats.
[00:24:52]  For this reason, the DOJ froze via lawsuit their ability to redistrict.
[00:24:57]  When the Trump administration got in and dropped the lawsuit, Texas was now free to drop a new map.
[00:25:02]  This is.
[00:25:03]  And I incorrectly stated, many have been saying, was the Trump administration pressuring them to draw new maps mid decade?
[00:25:09]  Technically, that's true, but it's not the basis for why it all began.
[00:25:13]  The Trump administration said, We're dropping this lawsuit, and you've got several gerrymandered districts.
[00:25:18]  You can't do that.
[00:25:20]  Texas said, Okay.
[00:25:21]  Now they were finally able to drop new maps.
[00:25:24]  The Trump administration did make the argument they can't do racially gerrymandered districts, so they needed to change.
[00:25:30]  Then Democrats said, Oh, yeah.
[00:25:32]  And they started doing the same thing.
[00:25:33]  Or I should say, they started doing worse, because again, when you go to 270 to win, Eliminating four Republican districts by putting five districts in one city is psychotic.
[00:25:43]  And you can see they've done it.
[00:25:44]  Democrats wanted to play hardball.
[00:25:47]  Here's the truth both the Democrats and the Republicans made the VRA play in 2020.
[00:25:53]  The Biden DOJ made the move against Texas in 2021 when they tried to redistrict, triggering the legal battle targeting the Voting Rights Act.
[00:26:02]  Over the four years of Biden, all of these individuals in these states were preparing for this.
[00:26:07]  The moment the Trump administration backed off and the arguments had already made it to the Supreme Court, every red state was prepared to launch their salvo.
[00:26:16]  Now, Democrats have a plan.
[00:26:18]  We'll just see if that plan does anything.
[00:26:22]  I think the other thing here that is missed is the opinion from Justice Alito.
[00:26:27]  I mean, the Democrats and the far left, Mark Elias and those guys are hyperventilating about this.
[00:26:32]  But the decision doesn't say that Section 2 of the VRA is gone and obliterated as they maintain.
[00:26:37]  It just says, as Tim noted a moment ago, you can't use race as the sole basis for drawing congressional districts.
[00:26:43]  The old rules about it being compact, communities of interest, and as Justice Alito said, partisanship, all of those things can be factors for drawing seats.
[00:26:52]  And I often say, look, this is a lot like the judicial nomination wars, you know, where, oh, we nuked the filibuster, you nuked the filibuster.
[00:27:01]  And when you go back and you actually do the archaeological dig on this, the left started this fight back in the Obama administration.
[00:27:07]  If you guys remember all this push by Holder and Obama for the independent redistricting commissions, they did it in Arizona through a ballot initiative, they did it in California.
[00:27:16]  And every time the so called independent member, so you'd have like five Democrats, five Republicans, and then there would be one swing vote.
[00:27:24]  Every time the independent ended up being a Democrat plant.
[00:27:27]  For example, in New Jersey, where there was an independent commission, the member of that redistricting commission was a professor at Princeton who, at the time, was a registered independent.
[00:27:37]  He's now running for Congress as a Democrat.
[00:27:39]  And the product of those redistricting commissions were maps that always favored Democrats and obliterated incumbent Republicans.
[00:27:45]  So they were at this, again, a long time before Republicans got wise.
[00:27:50]  And then the litigation started under the VRA for what we call covered jurisdictions in places like Texas.
[00:27:56]  So the war goes back again.
[00:27:58]  As many things do to the Obama administration.
[00:28:00]  I think it gets difficult when we get into the finger pointing of who started this.
[00:28:05]  I actually think what you're referencing is going to be before what I even mentioned now, but Mitch McConnell blocking Merrick Garland's.
[00:28:11]  Yeah, totally.
[00:28:12]  Even allowing a vote on that.
[00:28:14]  And then I believe nuking the filibuster for Supreme Court nominations with only doing a simple majority for Gorsuch and then also allowing Amy Comey Barrett to get in despite it being an election year, which is the reason why he's cited for not letting.
[00:28:32]  The Merrick Garland vote proceed too.
[00:28:34]  But I think Democrats would also argue that they have a lot to point at.
[00:28:38]  And if it's tit for tat, then it's just going for the vote.
[00:28:42]  But even look at that.
[00:28:43]  So the actual judicial nomination war starts in the Obama presidency when he nuked the filibuster for appellate court judge nominees and they stacked the D.C. Circuit, which is, you know, that's just, again, one layer.
[00:28:55]  Right.
[00:28:55]  So it's like, yeah, you can look at Garland, but the actual story was when they put three Democrat nominees forward when they knew they didn't have the vote, so they obliterated the judicial.
[00:29:04]  Filibuster nomination process then.
[00:29:06]  And so, like, I think, again, I don't want to like over index on the Obama's the cause of all problems, but the redistricting war starts under Obama.
[00:29:14]  And I'll just note what was Eric Holder's job when he left the Obama White House, when he left the Obama Michigan?
[00:29:21]  He was the head of the National Democrat Redistricting Commission.
[00:29:26]  The issue is you can go back, it's a Hatfields and McCoys, it goes back to the Civil War.
[00:29:30]  Totally.
[00:29:30]  And it goes pre Civil War.
[00:29:32]  There was talk of Civil War in this country in 1820.
[00:29:34]  And then it took 40 years because things were a lot slower back then, with communication being a lot slower back then.
[00:29:40]  You can trace back every tit for tat.
[00:29:42]  West Virginia is a redistrict, a redistricting of Virginia.
[00:29:46]  Oh, West Virginia should not exist.
[00:29:48]  One of the dirtiest things.
[00:29:49]  You guys know how West Virginia came to exist?
[00:29:50]  Yeah, it was this presidential fiat.
[00:29:52]  We're just putting the Unionists here and we're going to make it its own state.
[00:29:55]  They, when the Civil War started and Virginia called up all of its young men to come fight and defend Virginia, whatever you think about the secession is not the point.
[00:30:05]  Nobody was here to vote.
[00:30:06]  The only people who stayed were like, okay, let's have a vote while all the men have left.
[00:30:10]  And the remaining people voted not to go to war because they were like, I don't want to go fight.
[00:30:14]  Everyone else went to go fight.
[00:30:15]  When these young men came back, they found out they were in a different state now.
[00:30:18]  And then Virginia filed a lawsuit after the Civil War saying, that's just Virginia.
[00:30:22]  That's our territory.
[00:30:23]  And they said, nope.
[00:30:25]  That's a different state now.
[00:30:27]  You don't get it.
[00:30:27]  You lose your territory.
[00:30:28]  Security centralization of authority, right there.
[00:30:31]  Oh, I mean, if you go back to Obama started redistricting, then the argument's going to be made, you know, yeah, but the Republicans, blah, Did the Bush admin do much in the redistricting era?
[00:30:43]  No, because I think one thing that people have missed as well in this national discussion about redistricting is the ability to use precision data.
[00:30:52]  Tools both on micro targeting and then also like the map analysis that's totally new.
[00:30:57]  Alito mentions this in his opinion, which is you can get a map like Tim was showing on Illinois because you can literally run 300 different permutations through the software of how you are parsing individual houses and neighborhoods.
[00:31:10]  And that just didn't exist to that level of precision until Obama starts redistricting, but Obama's administration also targeted the Tea Party and did a bunch of things like this.
[00:31:19]  And the argument they'll make is no, this is the Republicans.
[00:31:22]  When they were in power, they cheated and stole the election and then rammed everything through.
[00:31:28]  So, as soon as Democrats came back in, they said, We have to make sure they can't do what they did again in 2012.
[00:31:32]  Because you had, I'm sorry, in 2000, because you had Republicans for eight years.
[00:31:36]  Then Obama gets in and they said, How do we stop Republicans from stealing an election again?
[00:31:40]  Yeah.
[00:31:40]  Then you want to go back before that.
[00:31:43]  You'll keep going back in time nonstop all the way.
[00:31:45]  Things were a little bit more chill in the 90s.
[00:31:47]  But then you can go back to, you get back to, what was it, in the 50s, the incumbents all got purged.
[00:31:51]  You can go back to the civil rights era and the Democrats are accused of, you know, switching or whatever.
[00:31:56]  You go back to Jim Crow, everybody's pointing at each other having done something wrong.
[00:32:00]  General question I know you're not allowed to draw up districts based on race now, but what if they just say, no, no, no, it wasn't because they were black.
[00:32:05]  It was because they were Democrat.
[00:32:07]  I think that's the argument they made, exactly.
[00:32:10]  So then no districts will have to be redrawn at all if that's the case.
[00:32:12]  They'll just say, no, it was never about race.
[00:32:14]  It was probably about their political affiliation.
[00:32:16]  Yeah, I mean, I think that one way of reading the opinion is partisanship is totally an acceptable criteria for drawing districts.
[00:32:24]  It so happens, especially in places in the South.
[00:32:27]  Like, there's almost a one to one between skin color and party registration.
[00:32:32]  So, but I think if you were to say, hey, we just want a Democrat vote sync here, if you control the governorship and the state legislature, more power to you, you can do that.
[00:32:39]  So, here's a question I have.
[00:32:40]  Right now, in, you know, I think Mississippi has hinted they're going to redraw their maps.
[00:32:46]  For some of these other states, they've got, so let's look at the map real quick.
[00:32:50]  Let me reset the map and then show you guys down here.
[00:32:52]  These are, these Democrat districts are presumed to be what's called VRA districts, these three right here, especially.
[00:32:58]  They may be able to redraw one right here.
[00:32:59]  That will be Democrat.
[00:33:00]  I believe this one right here is considered to be gerrymandered by race.
[00:33:03]  Yeah, that's Benny Thompson's seat.
[00:33:05]  Yeah.
[00:33:06]  So, what will be the basis under the Supreme Court ruling that the states will do it?
[00:33:11]  Will the governor just say, we're going to do it because the Supreme Court issued a ruling?
[00:33:16]  Yeah, I think it's what you mentioned at the outset, Tim, which is like, you're going to have state governors who say, look, we got to comply.
[00:33:22]  We got to comply with this new case precedent.
[00:33:25]  And we're going to look at the, oh, whoops, we've got, you know, Benny Thompson's seat is a perfect example of this.
[00:33:30]  It's a little bit more compact than what you see in leftist blue states.
[00:33:34]  But those are separate communities of interest.
[00:33:36]  You go up north, those are farming communities.
[00:33:39]  It wraps in Jackson, Mississippi.
[00:33:41]  They're the capital, which is an urban Democrat vote sink.
[00:33:44]  So I think what Governor Tate, Reeves, or others will say is hey, this is new law, and we are in violation of a Supreme Court ruling.
[00:33:53]  We've got to actually sit down and redraw this.
[00:33:55]  But without a challenge, can they just abruptly say it?
[00:33:58]  Yeah, they can, for sure.
[00:34:00]  And I think Landry is showing you.
[00:34:03]  Let's say they don't want to.
[00:34:04]  Let's say they're like, we don't want to do this.
[00:34:06]  What if someone in those districts files suit and says, I am in a district that was in violation of a, that would trigger it, wouldn't it?
[00:34:13]  Yeah, and I think that's the other part of this story is not all of this is going to play out this year.
[00:34:17]  I mean, the maximum advantage that Republicans may ultimately get out of this is going to be next year and for the 28 election and probably for the 2030 redraw.
[00:34:28]  And so I think the one takeaway from this week, both with the opinion from Justice Alito and what's already been going on with California and Virginia, is the redistricting wars are here to stay because both parties are now trying to lock in real electoral advantages.
[00:34:42]  But again, as you said, Tim, Democrats are looking at a pretty apocalyptic future.
[00:34:48]  I mean, we're looking at potentially like LBJ era 1960.
[00:34:51]  You know, when the Democrats had enormous numbers in the House and in the Senate, there's a real possibility by the end of the 2030 census, when you're looking at 2032, Republicans could have anywhere between 40 to 50 seat advantage.
[00:35:04]  Let's jump to this.
[00:35:05]  This is from the Brennan Center.
[00:35:07]  And they say how state seats in the U.S. could change after the next census.
[00:35:12]  At the halfway point in the decade, newly released census data points to continued shifts in representation after the 2030 census.
[00:35:17]  So, for those that are just tuning in, what we've been talking about and in the previous segments, with the Supreme Court ruling on the VRA, Republicans could gain reasonably.
[00:35:26]  12 seats if they so choose.
[00:35:28]  However, if every single racially gerrymandered district was erased, it's around 20 to 30 congressional seats.
[00:35:35]  But wait, there's more.
[00:35:37]  The census is coming up in 2030.
[00:35:39]  So this redistricting battle will not just be happening right now.
[00:35:43]  In 2030, the prediction is that California will lose four seats, Texas will gain four seats, New York will lose two, PA loses one, Illinois loses one, Wisconsin one, Minnesota one, Oregon one.
[00:35:56]  We see Idaho, Utah, and Arizona each gaining a seat.
[00:35:59]  You see North Carolina and Georgia gaining a seat.
[00:36:02]  You see Florida gaining three seats.
[00:36:03]  And you see Rhode Island losing one seat, which is nuts because they only have two seats anyway.
[00:36:09]  So they're going to one.
[00:36:10]  They're going to an at large district.
[00:36:12]  So this is going to be we've got eight, nine, 10.
[00:36:17]  We've got 13 seat swing.
[00:36:20]  And this is a 26 vote difference now because they lose 13, Republicans gain 13.
[00:36:26]  Add in the VRA 12.
[00:36:29]  We are looking right now being modest in the next four years.
[00:36:33]  This is going to be probably by 2032 when this takes effect.
[00:36:36]  If everything plays out, Republicans will have a 24 seat majority.
[00:36:40]  Just built in without swing seats or any of that.
[00:36:42]  And I think what's interesting here about this map is under the old reading of Section 2 of the VRA, even some of those seats that California would lose and, say, Texas would gain, they're not necessarily going to become Republican seats because you're still going to have to draw majority black seats in Houston, in Dallas.
[00:37:00]  Now, with this Supreme Court opinion, those are basically transferring blue Democrat seats in California to what will become.
[00:37:07]  Red Republican seats in Texas.
[00:37:08]  Right.
[00:37:09]  So, one of the conversations that came up with the COVID exodus we saw, a lot of people were leaving New York and going to Florida.
[00:37:15]  And now, with all the weird tax policy they're doing, which is absolutely hilarious, Washington just, was it Seattle?
[00:37:21]  She just had to buy all the rich people.
[00:37:24]  The concern was if a bunch of blue people moved to a red area, would they not turn that area red?
[00:37:31]  In fact, no.
[00:37:33]  So, if you've got half a million people leaving Manhattan, the initial reaction a lot of people said was, and this is first order thinking, Well, 500,000 people are going to shift the makeup of another district.
[00:37:43]  Yeah, but those 500,000 people are dispersing in different areas.
[00:37:47]  Maybe 40,000 go to Connecticut.
[00:37:49]  Maybe 30,000 go to West Virginia.
[00:37:50]  Maybe 100,000 went to Florida.
[00:37:53]  When those 100,000 enter a district that is R plus seven, they only shift at maybe two points Democrat.
[00:38:01]  So those votes are getting diluted, meaning New York's actually going to be worse off.
[00:38:06]  The Democrats nationally not only are losing seats, they're losing urban concentration as people spread out.
[00:38:12]  The people who are moving.
[00:38:13]  From California, Texas, aren't going to the same city for the most part.
[00:38:17]  Many might, but then it gets better because even the people from California who move to Austin, they can just gerrymander Austin and say it's liberal.
[00:38:25]  There you go.
[00:38:25]  That's what I'm wondering about this.
[00:38:27]  If it's legal to gerrymander by political affiliation, can't they run like an AI algorithm to see all the voter rolls, all the addresses, and then after the fact be like, we're going to draw, because we can't do it by race anymore, we're going to specifically draw 14 Democrat districts and they're going to draw little snakes and it'll be totally legal?
[00:38:46]  Because it's only by political affiliation.
[00:38:48]  But back in the day, they didn't know people's affiliation until they went to vote.
[00:38:52]  So you were building the district before you found out who was in it.

=== Four Parties Emerge (08:54) ===

[00:38:55]  Now you can know ahead of time and pre plan the district.
[00:38:58]  It seems like the whole system is now malfunct.
[00:39:02]  There you go, Ian.
[00:39:03]  The map we showed in the last segment.
[00:39:05]  This is exactly what you're describing.
[00:39:07]  So this is if every state maximizes the district.
[00:39:10]  The argument being made here is that the end result of the gerrymandering war is every red state maximizes for red, every blue state maximizes for blue.
[00:39:18]  I think, and the two wrinkles here would be to maximize your advantage in redistricting, you got to hold the trifecta.
[00:39:26]  You got to hold both chambers of the state legislature, except for Nebraska, and you got to hold the governorship.
[00:39:30]  So, something like Nevada, you see that there.
[00:39:33]  You got a red northern district based out of Reno, and then the southern, so the two seats there in the south, which are based around Clark County and Las Vegas.
[00:39:41]  But if there's a Republican governor, it's going to be really hard for the Democrats in the legislature to maximize those seats.
[00:39:46]  It'd probably stay 50 50 swing seats like they are now.
[00:39:49]  The other thing I think, what Tim was just laying out, the breadcrumb trail there leads to an obvious conclusion, which is this is why Democrats are flooding the nation with mass immigration.
[00:39:59]  Yep.
[00:39:59]  Because the great sort that is happening, it turns out, even if every Yankee who leaves Long Island and moves to North Carolina is still an unrepentant liberal, it kind of gets washed out and they don't actually pick up the real vote share.
[00:40:13]  And I'll say, just as a footnote, we track this pretty closely in Idaho.
[00:40:17]  And what we see actually is, The folks who are leaving California, Washington state now with the imposition of the income tax, when they're moving to Idaho, they're actually shifting both the ideological window but also the registration more Republican.
[00:40:31]  These are people who were sort of suffering under blue state policies and they're like, I'm happy to be in free, free Idaho.
[00:40:37]  Now, here's the best part the end result of this beyond the midterm is any guesses?
[00:40:44]  Electoral college.
[00:40:45]  What is it?
[00:40:46]  Electoral college.
[00:40:47]  Well, yes, but after that, right?
[00:40:50]  So, any guess on what the end of all of this will be?
[00:40:54]  If we take everything happening to its natural conclusion, and I'm not saying it happens in five years.
[00:41:00]  Is that what you think?
[00:41:01]  On Brown, on Brown.
[00:41:03]  That's like saying that.
[00:41:04]  No, that's what he was going to say.
[00:41:05]  Let me explain why.
[00:41:07]  As moderates in New York flee, what happens is congressional seats not only get broken up, but the existing seats become hyper partisan left.
[00:41:18]  Totally.
[00:41:18]  So, in a district, let's say you have Manhattan, and you've got a lot of conservatives.
[00:41:22]  Let's say you have 36% who live in Manhattan.
[00:41:26]  That are Republican.
[00:41:27]  They know they're always going to lose, but when it comes, so they always vote Democrat.
[00:41:31]  Like, for instance, my family was, I grew up Catholic to a public servant dad.
[00:41:38]  And we lived in an area where it was like union working class guys, but my dad was a conservative, but we always voted Democrat.
[00:41:43]  Why?
[00:41:44]  Every union family does.
[00:41:45]  Well, what are you voting for?
[00:41:46]  You're voting to lose?
[00:41:47]  No.
[00:41:47]  You vote for the Democrat, it's going to, because there's one party.
[00:41:49]  So here's what happens primary comes up, union family walks in and says, don't vote for the weird suit wearing commie.
[00:41:57]  Vote for the working class rolled up sleeves Democrat.
[00:42:00]  The primary was what really mattered.
[00:42:02]  Well, those moderates, people like me, we've left.
[00:42:04]  So now the primary happens again, and you've got blue dog Democrat rolled up sleeves saying, We're here for the working class, but all their voters have left, and all that's left is commies.
[00:42:14]  So the commie wins the primary.
[00:42:16]  Basically, right now in every district, the primary is trying to sort by political party the boundaries and then finding the middle.
[00:42:24]  It's not necessarily intentionally how they do it, but what happens is you go to a district, the furthest left you go, you've got hardcore tanky communists, and the furthest right you go in the Democrat Party, you have like moderate libs who hate Trump.
[00:42:35]  So, the candidate who wins panders to both the most to generate the most amount of votes.
[00:42:40]  Eliminate the moderates.
[00:42:41]  That moderate guy could only get 20% of the votes he used to get.
[00:42:44]  The communist now panders to the socialists and the communists, and now you get a communist member of Congress.
[00:42:50]  This is both geographic and governmental hyperpolarization.
[00:42:55]  With these seats moving, you will see more staunch Republicans in Congress and more squad members in Congress.
[00:43:01]  You will also then have states ideologically opposed to extreme degrees, like Oklahoma banning abortion outright.
[00:43:08]  And Colorado legalizing abortion to the point of birth.
[00:43:11]  The end result of this is you will have states with things that are legal that shock the conscience, that bleed over between each other.
[00:43:21]  You will end up with, and I'm saying this as a joke to make the most extreme examples gay race communist by mandate in Colorado and the handmaid's tail in Oklahoma.
[00:43:32]  And then eventually they start fighting with each other because these ideologies will clash because there's proximity.
[00:43:38]  The hyper polarization, I don't know how you break it up.
[00:43:41]  But what we're watching with intermigration, internal migration, as well as gerrymandering, redistricting.
[00:43:47]  Look, if you live in Virginia and they just took away your district and they're putting a Democrat in charge of where you live, a lot of people are going to say, I don't want to live in a place where the attorney general said my children should die and they're going to try and trans my kids.
[00:43:59]  We should consider moving out of this state.
[00:44:01]  You're going to see a lot of people move to West Virginia.
[00:44:03]  Indeed, which is already 86% Trump supporting.
[00:44:08]  Recommend it.
[00:44:09]  Another potential future that I've been thinking about lately is that.
[00:44:13]  You know, the two party system may change.
[00:44:15]  It may be that, like, the Republican Party splits in half and the Democrat Party splits in half, and we have a four party system for a short period of time.
[00:44:22]  How and why?
[00:44:23]  Abraham Lincoln got elected.
[00:44:24]  How and why?
[00:44:25]  Good question.
[00:44:25]  I don't know if this redistricting thing would accelerate it.
[00:44:29]  I don't disagree with you.
[00:44:31]  I don't necessarily agree, though, but I do want to, to your point, in agreement.
[00:44:36]  If you have geographic hyper polarization, it wouldn't be unquestionable to think that in a place like West Virginia, you have someone like me.
[00:44:46]  A exile from Illinois or from New York who was like, these people have gone nuts.
[00:44:51]  So I come to West Virginia and I say, firstly, I don't want to interfere in what the locals want to do.
[00:44:55]  I'm here as a guest.
[00:44:57]  I will build a life here.
[00:44:58]  I hope that you respect my voice, but I also don't want to trample on your traditions and what you've built here as longtime residents.
[00:45:06]  But you will then get the far right element.
[00:45:09]  I put that in air quotes, meaning staunch, hardcore local will form a right wing and the moderate right wing will form the state's left wing.
[00:45:18]  So basically, when you say four parties, imagine you get a big cluster of southern states that are just deep red.
[00:45:23]  But within that, you've got the MAGA and the neocons.
[00:45:27]  Now they're arguing with each other.
[00:45:28]  You've just described Idaho.
[00:45:30]  There you go.
[00:45:30]  That is the politics of Idaho.
[00:45:32]  The transplants who've come in are hard right.
[00:45:35]  And the old guard, sort of, rhino establishment is sort of the moderate.
[00:45:39]  And the fight is often for the swing Democrats who participate in the primary.
[00:45:44]  They register as Republicans.
[00:45:46]  And I think one thing you'll see in places like Mississippi is you might actually end up with some victories for the neocons because.
[00:45:52]  Those black voters now, I mean, the game theory just plays out where, like, well, I might as well participate in the Republican primary.
[00:45:59]  That way, I can get a slightly less detestable form of a Republican congressman who may be more interested in catering to my interests and my vote.
[00:46:07]  So it may reduce the likelihood of getting hyper partisan Republicans in Congress.
[00:46:12]  But I think Tim's account for what's going to happen in blue states is exactly right.
[00:46:16]  Once the moderates are gone and you've over indexed on ideology for drawing these districts, you're already seeing this in places in New York with the Jamal Bowman race a couple of years ago.
[00:46:25]  You're going to see the moderate Democrat just totally annihilated in the primary.
[00:46:31]  It's like you were saying in Idaho.
[00:46:32]  The moderate Democrats that are basically in between the hard right and the old school Republicans.
[00:46:38]  In New York, you had Republican seats that were considered to be kind of toss up moderate.
[00:46:44]  When the moderate New York residents left, all that's left are Orange Man Bad and Communist.
[00:46:50]  So when the primary happens, that moderate Democrat who tried to hold things together to compete with a Republican, he's gone.
[00:46:57]  They don't need it anymore.
[00:46:58]  They're 60% socialists now.
[00:47:00]  It's squad all the way, baby.
[00:47:01]  So back to your point, Ian, about saying four parties.
[00:47:03]  The part where I'll disagree with you is technically there will be four parties, in that there will be a hard right and an old right, whatever you want to call it, but they will all be unified against the other.
[00:47:15]  So the country is going to break up into this silly map right here.
[00:47:20]  And then what ends up happening is this chunk is completely at war with this chunk.
[00:47:27]  And I mean figuratively.
[00:47:29]  When it comes to national level politics, all of these people are going to be like, those people are.
[00:47:35]  So far removed from what we believe, they are evil, dangerous.
[00:47:39]  We're at the point, Democrats and Republicans call each other evil for a variety of reasons.
[00:47:43]  We're at the point where Democrats want to ban trans kids, Republicans don't.
[00:47:47]  Democrats want abortion to birth, Republicans want to ban abortion.

=== Country Breaks Into Map (04:25) ===

[00:47:50]  So the extreme ends are there where it's night and day.
[00:47:53]  There is no more, can we compromise?
[00:47:55]  It is, these people have pushed abortion to the point of birth, and we don't want abortion at all.
[00:48:00]  That's not stopping.
[00:48:02]  We will get to a point where it's even further than this.
[00:48:05]  You know, when we're watching, The news out there before the show, we got four channels on one screen, and you can watch MSNBC, MSNow, sorry, and CNN and Fox News at the same time, and you can see the bifurcated reality in both.
[00:48:22]  And it is insane.
[00:48:24]  MSNow can't go 10 seconds without saying the word Trump.
[00:48:27]  And this is what's crazy to me.
[00:48:29]  Criticize Fox News as biased, they talk about a bunch of different things.
[00:48:34]  Even CNN talks about a bunch of different things.
[00:48:37]  I would argue that Fox News and CNN are left and right.
[00:48:41]  CNN is left-live, Fox News is right-conservative, and MS Now is psychopath, cult, Antifa lunacy.
[00:48:50]  You watch CNN, and I'm watching CNN, and they're saying things like: the war in Iran has led to an increase in gas prices.
[00:48:55]  We're joined now by an expert in foreign policy, and he says, well, the Iranians' strategy is going to be this.
[00:49:01]  And I think Trump is making a big mistake here.
[00:49:04]  But when you look at what you're saying, and I'm like, okay, obviously this is a war, Trump's involved, I got no problem with that.
[00:49:08]  You turn on Fox News, and they're saying, look, There's a plan.
[00:49:12]  It's short term pain for long term gain.
[00:49:14]  You turn on MS now, Trump, non stop, just Trump, Trump, Trump.
[00:49:20]  Trump is reckless.
[00:49:21]  He's dangerous.
[00:49:22]  And I'm like, it's not even news.
[00:49:23]  It's literally just, you know, I got to be honest, guys, I'm going to launch a new channel and we should do this.
[00:49:29]  Elad, here's the plan.
[00:49:31]  Let's hear it.
[00:49:32]  The channel is just a 24 7 live stream where it's a Trump pinata being whacked with a stick.
[00:49:37]  You make so much money.
[00:49:38]  Yeah, that's all it is.
[00:49:39]  That's all it is.
[00:49:40]  Clip after clip after clip.
[00:49:42]  And, you know, the intro to the show is, guys, You don't need to hear me say anything.
[00:49:47]  We all hate Trump.
[00:49:49]  Just watch me for the next two hours beat this Trump pin guy with a stick.
[00:49:54]  MSNI will lose all their viewers to you.
[00:49:56]  Halloween special, you burn the Trump effigy.
[00:49:59]  You'd make so much money.
[00:50:00]  And especially the largest media markets in the country would be tuning into that.
[00:50:04]  I think that if you one upped MS Now to the legal extent, you'd easily take their viewers.
[00:50:10]  Saying Trump is outrageous and he's bad.
[00:50:12]  Eh, just say, literally just say Trump is Hitler the whole time and show World War II footage, but put Trump instead of Hitler.
[00:50:18]  Is it going to be, they're just going to switch to whoever the Republican candidate is as soon as they announce next year?
[00:50:23]  Yes.
[00:50:23]  They did it with DeSantis.
[00:50:24]  Do you remember that?
[00:50:25]  Oh, yeah.
[00:50:26]  I mean, well, this is like, this story is.
[00:50:28]  Played out over the last 20 years, right?
[00:50:29]  And this was George Bush, who was the incarnation of everything that was unholy and evil and was Satan and was a Nazi.
[00:50:36]  And now it's like, oh, he's actually a good guy.
[00:50:38]  He tells good jokes.
[00:50:39]  We love seeing baseball with him, right?
[00:50:41]  This is their shtick.
[00:50:42]  When the primary was kicking up in, I think it started in 2022, and then in 23, DeSantis became the front runner.
[00:50:50]  Trump hadn't been very present, and DeSantis was crushing it in Florida, and he has, and I respect it.
[00:50:58]  I remember sitting down at the Daily Wire saying, you know, look, I'm for DeSantis.
[00:51:02]  If he comes out of the gate, he's the guy.
[00:51:06]  They started running articles saying DeSantis is worse than Trump.
[00:51:10]  It was insane because they said Trump is racist.
[00:51:14]  Then they said Trump is the worst racist.
[00:51:16]  Then Trump is almost as bad as Hitler.
[00:51:19]  Then Trump is Hitler.
[00:51:20]  Then Trump is worse than Hitler.
[00:51:22]  Then Trump is gone for a year and DeSantis comes in and they go, DeSantis is actually worse than Trump.
[00:51:27]  And I'm like, Now, Hitler's down here and DeSantis is all the way up here based on what you've been doing rhetorically.
[00:51:35]  Yeah, and I think the argument they made was like, DeSantis will be an effective Hitler.
[00:51:40]  Do you guys remember the Don't Say Gay bill that they tried to fearmonger?
[00:51:43]  I mean, Don't Say Straight?
[00:51:44]  Don't Say Straight bill that they tried to fearmonger around DeSantis on.
[00:51:48]  Yeah, we call it the Don't Say Straight bill because the bill said that teachers could not discuss their interpersonal relationships with children.
[00:51:56]  And considering most people are in straight relationships, it was actually barring teachers.
[00:52:00]  From talking about their heterosexual coupling.
[00:52:02]  So I actually think it benefited gay people.
[00:52:04]  That's what made DeSantis Hitler at the time.
[00:52:06]  Yeah.
[00:52:07]  Oh, really?
[00:52:07]  And they were dancing in hallways.
[00:52:08]  And the fight with Disney.
[00:52:12]  And the boots also.
[00:52:14]  Not.
[00:52:14]  Yeah, yeah, the air boy boots.

=== White Supremacist Imagery (15:03) ===

[00:52:16]  Sinclair pulled that one out on him, Ashley.
[00:52:18]  Can we just drop the pretense?
[00:52:20]  I mean, you know what I really can't stand about the culture war is just the pretending.
[00:52:24]  The, you know, Republicans and Democrats both arguing nobility.
[00:52:28]  No, no, no.
[00:52:29]  I don't care.
[00:52:29]  Like, I think Republicans are right.
[00:52:31]  You think Democrats are right.
[00:52:32]  Can we just argue?
[00:52:33]  I will do everything to maximize the power of my political party.
[00:52:37]  We have to have pretense because we're using TV.
[00:52:40]  So when you're using the airwaves, you have to have an air of pretension.
[00:52:44]  You can't be truly your radical self when the world's listening.
[00:52:47]  You got to do that in a back room.
[00:52:48]  You know, there's spy satellites.
[00:52:50]  Nobody's falling for it.
[00:52:52]  It's like, it's the cringest thing ever to, you know, remember when Deepwater Horizon happened in the Gulf, the oil spill, and the CEO's like, we're terribly sorry.
[00:53:02]  Like, nobody believes you and nobody cares.
[00:53:05]  I'd respect you more if you came out and said, you know, obviously we're going to clean it up.
[00:53:09]  We're going to pay a fine for this.
[00:53:11]  It'll be a slap on the wrist.
[00:53:12]  It'll kill untold amounts of sea life.
[00:53:14]  We're not going to stop.
[00:53:16]  And we're sorry only because the malfunction happened.
[00:53:20]  We're not morally or ethically sorry at all.
[00:53:23]  And we're going to keep going.
[00:53:24]  I'd be like, okay.
[00:53:25]  It's crazy how so many people would rather be lied to than hear the harsh reality of truth.
[00:53:30]  And they're like, no, just tell me a sweet lie and let me go back to my game or whatever.
[00:53:34]  This happened this week.
[00:53:36]  When those old tweets from Mallory McMorry came out, and she has essentially what you're describing here.
[00:53:43]  One of her tweets said, Well, the future is the ring and not the horror film, but she was like, You know, the coasts will break off and they'll join with Mexico and Canada and they'll basically just napalm what's left in the middle.
[00:53:56]  Let's pull this up.
[00:53:57]  We got some CNN.
[00:53:58]  This is massive.
[00:54:00]  Make me miss California.
[00:54:01]  Deleted tweets.
[00:54:02]  Senate candidate Mallory McMorrow disparaged middle America.
[00:54:06]  So she's in Michigan.
[00:54:08]  Oh, they don't want us to read it now.
[00:54:10]  She's in Michigan now.
[00:54:11]  She's in Michigan now.
[00:54:12]  But she lived in California for a long time.
[00:54:15]  And she wrote on social media how much she hated middle America, saying it makes me miss California.
[00:54:21]  And she wrote what you just described, the ring, which is this.
[00:54:25]  There will be this ring of blue.
[00:54:29]  You know what?
[00:54:30]  Let me pull up this.
[00:54:31]  I'm going to pull up the Jesus land and what is it?
[00:54:36]  Canadian states meme.
[00:54:37]  You ever see that one?
[00:54:38]  Yes.
[00:54:39]  So I guess Canada would be the ring of blue to the north.
[00:54:42]  Yeah.
[00:54:42]  And Mexico to the south.
[00:54:44]  And then the ocean, obviously, which is blue.
[00:54:46]  Here you go.
[00:54:48]  This is what the meme basically is.
[00:54:51]  So, this is the proposed fracturing, or actually one of them, the Jesus Land Map.
[00:54:58]  It's an internet meme.
[00:55:00]  It was created in 2004.
[00:55:02]  So, it's not necessarily accurate right now because there would be a small cluster down here.
[00:55:07]  They'd probably take these states.
[00:55:08]  And we would take Alberta now, based on the.
[00:55:10]  Yeah, right, right.
[00:55:12]  So, again, this is 20 years old, but the idea was there was discussion in 2004.
[00:55:17]  Of breaking away of the United States fracturing and several states joining Canada.
[00:55:24]  She's talking about that.
[00:55:26]  She deleted those tweets because this is what these communists do.
[00:55:29]  She wants to win political power in Michigan.
[00:55:32]  She has to pretend to like Michigan.
[00:55:35]  She's the moderate in this race, too.
[00:55:36]  That's the other thing.
[00:55:37]  She's the moderate.
[00:55:38]  She's the most moderate person in this race.
[00:55:40]  Because the other guy, Abdul El Said, was the guy who said he didn't even want to, I think, celebrate the killing of Hassan Israllah or the Ayatollah, rather.
[00:55:51]  Or he didn't want to comment it because he didn't want to upset his Arab Muslim basin.
[00:55:53]  Was he the guy who campaigned with Hassan?
[00:55:55]  Yes, that guy.
[00:55:57]  She purged her ex account of roughly 6,000 posts, including all of her tweets prior to 2020.
[00:56:04]  Andrew Kaczynski noted this came after the post's April 2025 scoop on her tweet history.
[00:56:10]  The deleted posts include jabs at the Purple State.
[00:56:12]  She's now running to represent, saying, And it's snowing.
[00:56:14]  Screw you, Michigan.
[00:56:15]  You know, that really bums me out because I love snow and I like snowboarding and skiing, but where we are, it only snows every so often.
[00:56:23]  And here she is coming from a warm place, moving to a cold place, and she hates it.
[00:56:28]  There are days like these that make me miss California even more, she said in 2017.
[00:56:33]  I had a dream that the U.S. amicably broke off into the ring.
[00:56:36]  Coasts, Canada, Mexico, plus parts of Michigan and Texas, and Middle America.
[00:56:40]  She wrote in the since deleted tweet.
[00:56:42]  She's just lib posting.
[00:56:43]  She said, amicably at least, but come on, that can't, you know, you don't have, there's no such thing as a peace.
[00:56:48]  Why is it linking to a gone tweet?
[00:56:49]  We learned that in the 1850s.
[00:56:51]  Indeed.
[00:56:52]  In the 1940s.
[00:56:53]  You know, I. I'd actually respect her tremendously if she just said all these things and left the tweets up.
[00:56:58]  Totally.
[00:56:59]  But it's exactly right.
[00:57:00]  She's running as the moderate.
[00:57:02]  So she's got to delete them because that's her lane, right?
[00:57:05]  I wouldn't say anything ridiculous.
[00:57:06]  I think the other thing that came out of this story is a lot of those tweets she deleted talked about her participating in the 2016 DIMM primary out in California when she supposedly was already living and registered in Michigan.
[00:57:20]  So potential election fraud that she participated in as well.
[00:57:23]  You know, I'd have a lot more respect for Graham Platner if, like, When they came out and said, Hey, by the way, there's a Nazi tattoo on your chest.
[00:57:31]  If you went, Yeah, I'd be like, Okay, you know, all right.
[00:57:35]  Instead, he's like, Is that what that is?
[00:57:38]  And they were like, Yes.
[00:57:38]  He's like, I had no idea.
[00:57:41]  Legit, I'm not even joking.
[00:57:43]  When they called out Democrat frontrunner for the Senate in Maine, Graham Plattner's literal totem conf on his chest, he went, Is that what that is?
[00:57:53]  I just thought it was a skull.
[00:57:55]  Beats me.
[00:57:57]  That is nuts.
[00:57:58]  And this is why Fetterman's probably like one of the more honest people we've had right now where he was saying today, dude's just an asshole.
[00:58:06]  Plattner's just a straight up asshole because he's not truthful about anything.
[00:58:11]  And what did he blame it on?
[00:58:12]  The tattoo ultimately was like his unit's insignia or something.
[00:58:16]  It was popular amongst the army or something.
[00:58:18]  Everybody got weird tattoos and you got drugs.
[00:58:21]  It was cool.
[00:58:22]  So I got a question about that though.
[00:58:23]  Like, what tattoo parlor did you go to where they had a Totemcon available for choice?
[00:58:27]  Those might exist.
[00:58:28]  I don't know.
[00:58:29]  I've read reporting that his staff actually confronted him about it and they were clear that he knew what it was.
[00:58:34]  Like, he calls himself a World War II history buff.
[00:58:36]  Like, it's hard to pretend you don't know what that is when you say, you know, you know, a lot about World War II.
[00:58:41]  I have a question.
[00:58:43]  Neo Nazis and white supremacists prefer racial segregation.
[00:58:46]  That's correct, right?
[00:58:47]  I'm not wrong in that assumption.
[00:58:49]  They would prefer it if in this country they separated the races and white people would live with white people and black with black people, right?
[00:58:57]  I think that's largely true among white nationalists.
[00:59:00]  White supremacists, they're going to add the fact that they think they're better than everybody, but that's a separate thing.
[00:59:05]  Which political party advocates for policies based on race?
[00:59:09]  Maybe the Democratic Party.
[00:59:11]  The Democrat Party.
[00:59:12]  Not the Republicans.
[00:59:12]  Republicans are fighting these things.
[00:59:14]  Which political party advocates for Political districts based on race.
[00:59:18]  It's the Democrats' party.
[00:59:19]  The Democratic Party, indeed.
[00:59:21]  Which political party has created POC and non POC only spaces?
[00:59:25]  It's the Democratic Party.
[00:59:27]  So, real quick, and which political party hates Israel?
[00:59:32]  Well, and which party now has elected mayors in some of the largest cities in America saying we will only hire, we will only contract with non white businesses, right?
[00:59:43]  Choosing winners and losers based on their race.
[00:59:45]  That I would argue that Nazis would probably not be not okay with, but I would just say.
[00:59:50]  If you were a Nazi looking at the list of everything you wanted, you'd be like, well, we might lose a couple of things in the cities we don't want to be in.
[00:59:57]  But man, if those cities are saying they're only going to hire black people and all the black people move there and leave where we are, my point is when I see Graham Plattner with a Nazi tattoo, I'm like, he's just a Nazi who realized that to get through most of what a Nazi would want, the Democratic Party is your path forward.
[01:00:17]  He hates the Jews, he hates Israel, and he wants racial segregation.
[01:00:22]  I mean, Does he hate the Jews?
[01:00:23]  Did he say something bad about Jews?
[01:00:25]  Or is it just.
[01:00:26]  I'm saying.
[01:00:26]  Well, he has heavily criticized Israel, which is always allowed, not necessarily a Jew thing.
[01:00:31]  I'm just being somewhat facetious.
[01:00:34]  He's also got some crazy Reddit posts back in the day about Hamas wiping out Israel and stuff like that.
[01:00:39]  My point is if you are a Nazi who hates the Jews and hates Israel, the Democratic Party is for you.
[01:00:45]  I think it's transparent, like the double standard, though, because you saw everybody in the media trash aggressively Secretary of War Pete Hegseth for his I think it's an Iron Krause tattoo that, you know.
[01:00:56]  It made the rounds in the media.
[01:00:58]  Everybody called it a white supremacist tattoo.
[01:01:01]  It's a Jerusalem cross, which is like an old crusader.
[01:01:03]  That was the connection.
[01:01:04]  But yeah, no.
[01:01:05]  Yeah, there were many outlets explicitly saying that it might signify that he's a white supremacist.
[01:01:10]  I'm reading from Politico that it's associated with white supremacist groups, as opposed to articles talking about Plantner's tattoo that says how he expresses regret and it could potentially resemble a Nazi tattoo.
[01:01:20]  So they give him like this plausible deniability that they would never afford to Secretary Hegseth, despite Secretary Hegseth's tattoo not being any.
[01:01:28]  Anything resembling a white supremacist symbol, but this guy has a literal totem conf on his chest.
[01:01:34]  And he's been there for like a very long time.
[01:01:36]  Yo, he had it for 20 years, didn't he?
[01:01:38]  The thing about Democrat policies is about race policies, race based policies.
[01:01:42]  If you live in a society with 78% black people of a certain culture that votes that way, they'll say, Look, we're not doing anything by race.
[01:01:49]  It's all by majority.
[01:01:51]  And you're like, Oh, well, the majority happens to be one race and they're dominating the political sphere through majority rule.
[01:01:58]  So now we need to make exceptions for all these minorities that are getting dogged and trashed in culture and society.
[01:02:03]  So that's where the Democratic philosophy comes from you need to make sure people don't.
[01:02:07]  I got to read to this story.
[01:02:09]  I'm sorry.
[01:02:10]  So here's the origin of his Tottencom.
[01:02:13]  He was in his 20s on leaving Croatia, specifically Split, during his third deployment.
[01:02:18]  He and fellow Marines got very inebriated and decided to get tattoos.
[01:02:21]  They picked a terrifying looking skull and crossbones design off the wall at a tattoo parlor, seeing it as generic military pirate edgy imagery, common in military culture for scary tattoos.
[01:02:33]  I just want to stress these guys walked into a tattoo parlor with a giant Nazi Totenkampf on the wall that is available for public display.
[01:02:45]  In Croatia.
[01:02:46]  I have to wonder about what they were thinking when they entered that tattoo parlor and what the, let's just say, the business individuals, what were they wearing and what did they look like and what else was on the wall?
[01:02:58]  What was it called?
[01:03:00]  I gotta wonder if you're gonna put a Totenkampf on your wall, if there are not perhaps any other symbols, perhaps maybe an old Buddhist symbol that was ripped over.
[01:03:09]  It's an old Prussian military symbol that the Nazis co opted, just like the swastika.
[01:03:13]  It was the old bastard symbol of stuff that they co opted.
[01:03:16]  Interesting.
[01:03:17]  Okay, at the very least, it demonstrates poor judgment.
[01:03:21]  Assuming, like, you know, give him every benefit of the doubt, I think this demonstrates his poor judgment.
[01:03:27]  And maybe it's not the judgment and, you know, thought process that somebody who would potentially be a senator should have.
[01:03:33]  Like, if you are getting something permanently tattooed on your body, you should understand or know what the symbol is or do some due diligence before doing that.
[01:03:42]  I don't know if it's too much to ask for.
[01:03:43]  And again, I think he's playing dumb.
[01:03:44]  I think he knew.
[01:03:45]  Hold on.
[01:03:46]  I just looked this up.
[01:03:47]  Because I could be wrong, but my understanding was that in most of Europe, Nazi imagery is actually a crime.
[01:03:53]  And it is.
[01:03:54]  In Croatia, it is illegal to display Nazi imagery.
[01:03:57]  We went to a tattoo.
[01:03:57]  So, again, he went into a tattoo parlor with a Totenkampf on the wall.
[01:04:02]  I don't believe him for a second.
[01:04:04]  I think the guy's just a Nazi.
[01:04:05]  Yeah, I don't think like Jared Holt or anybody at the ADL would have thought twice if, you know, one of the people who they were tracking as a white supremacist had this type of tattoo on them.
[01:04:17]  I just think it's odd that people like Holt aren't all over this guy.
[01:04:20]  Well, look at the other interesting thing I was going to say was when he did his little sit down confessional, like the sort of like O'Donnell when she ran for Senate a few years ago, I'm not a witch.
[01:04:29]  He did the whole, I'm sorry for this.
[01:04:31]  And he said, Well, now I will pay to remove it.
[01:04:33]  Dude, if he had bad judgment 20 years ago, there was a long time in between there where he could have said, Oh, shoot, I learned about this symbol.
[01:04:41]  Wow, this is really troubling.
[01:04:42]  I should get this removed from my chest.
[01:04:44]  Doesn't seem like something you just keep putting off.
[01:04:46]  Well, you know what the difference was?
[01:04:48]  He decided he wants to be a politician, a U.S. Senator.
[01:04:50]  That's why he decided to get it covered.
[01:04:52]  It was since the 90s.
[01:04:54]  The Nazi imagery has been banned and they've had sporadic heavy enforcement.
[01:04:58]  In 2004, they ordered the removal of plaques honoring Nazi era figures.
[01:05:04]  I just don't believe this guy for a second.
[01:05:06]  The story is either he intentionally sought out a Nazi tattoo or he intentionally sought out a Nazi tattoo parlor and then got a Nazi tattoo.
[01:05:14]  Well, he was, I don't know how old he is now, 40 something.
[01:05:17]  He was in his 20s.
[01:05:18]  He was hammered with his buddies.
[01:05:19]  Was he in the military on leave?
[01:05:20]  Was he in the military?
[01:05:21]  So they're all amped up.
[01:05:22]  They go, probably blacked out.
[01:05:24]  I'd never heard of a Totenkampf till tonight.
[01:05:26]  This is the first time I've ever heard the word said out loud.
[01:05:28]  And I've never, I think I've seen that before.
[01:05:30]  I had no idea it was a Nazi thing until tonight.
[01:05:33]  Well, the other thing here, just to note, I mean, I know he's doing this like faux working class hero shtick right now, but Platner comes from an incredibly wealthy, socially elite family in New York in the Northeast.
[01:05:46]  He went to Hotchkiss, one of the premier boarding schools in America.
[01:05:50]  The idea that he was somehow ignorant about the significance or the symbolism, or like, I don't know, I just picked like a Pirates of the Caribbean looking tattoo for my chest, man.
[01:06:01]  I don't believe it because, again, came from an incredibly sophisticated, educated, Wealthy Northeast family.
[01:06:07]  And so I think it's a shtick.
[01:06:10]  I think it's a shtick.
[01:06:10]  I paid extra to have it put on.
[01:06:12]  If he didn't know, like, that's a judge of his mental faculties.
[01:06:16]  Like, dude, you do diligence on the big thing on your chest so you know what it is.
[01:06:21]  Like, he's either a Nazi or developmentally disabled.
[01:06:26]  Yeah.
[01:06:27]  Either way, I would argue you shouldn't vote for him.
[01:06:31]  Well, but Janet Mills has dropped out of the race.
[01:06:33]  Dropped.
[01:06:33]  And so a lot of boomer.
[01:06:36]  Liberal Portland voters will be happily voting for the dude with the giant Nazi tattoo.
[01:06:40]  You know what?
[01:06:42]  I think we should go to Maine.
[01:06:44]  Yeah, but I got friends who live in Portland and I'm going to ask them if they're voting for the Nazi guy.
[01:06:48]  Yeah, but so many Republicans hate Susan Collins and just call her a rhino POS.
[01:06:52]  So, like, I could see why this guy has a good chance of winning.
[01:06:55]  No, no, no, I know.
[01:06:56]  I just want to hear it from the voters there, be like, for 20 years, he had a Nazi tattoo on his chest.
[01:07:01]  Do you forgive him?
[01:07:02]  They'll say yes.
[01:07:03]  I'll be like, okay.
[01:07:04]  Do you forget?
[01:07:05]  So, if, like, there was a guy, I mean, they forget, what was that?
[01:07:09]  Hillary Clinton's friend who was in Congress, the Nazi, was his name?
[01:07:12]  Bird?
[01:07:14]  Robert Bird.
[01:07:15]  Yeah, he was like a grand wizard.
[01:07:16]  Grand wizard in the KKK.
[01:07:17]  Look, I'll say this.

=== Normalized Online Violence (15:15) ===

[01:07:19]  The only real, you know, I guess, retardant in my view on this one is that people are allowed to say, I'm sorry.
[01:07:28]  Graham Platner is like, I, he has a mistake.
[01:07:30]  I'm sorry.
[01:07:31]  It's like, okay.
[01:07:31]  I don't believe him, but if people are like, I don't want to be associated with that thing and they say they don't, then I don't know if we can exist as a society that holds everyone to the standard of themselves for 20 years ago.
[01:07:43]  Yeah, really.
[01:07:44]  And, And you could wear Nazi paraphernalia and not be a Nazi.
[01:07:47]  It used to be punk rock.
[01:07:49]  Are you talking about Prince Harry again?
[01:07:51]  Is it Harry Goes the Distance?
[01:07:52]  Yeah, I mean, that is literally the values of punk rock is where the most countercultural imagery is.
[01:07:58]  But the opposite of that is, yo, if you're going to project an image, you better know what that's going to do to other people when they see it and get behind it because you're doing it.
[01:08:06]  I think it also just gets back to how Tim started this discussion, which is like, then just own it, dude.
[01:08:10]  Just be like, yeah, I made a mistake.
[01:08:13]  I learned what this is.
[01:08:14]  I do have this.
[01:08:15]  But that's not owning it.
[01:08:16]  If he came out and was like, yeah, totally.
[01:08:19]  I was super into it.
[01:08:20]  And I'm going to get it removed.
[01:08:21]  I'm in a different life, period of my life now.
[01:08:23]  I reject that.
[01:08:23]  Yep.
[01:08:24]  Then I'd be like, okay.
[01:08:25]  Like, literally, we would not be talking about it.
[01:08:27]  If he came out and said, I am getting it removed.
[01:08:29]  And, you know, when I was younger, I thought it was cool and I was into it, but I grew up.
[01:08:33]  Then I think Democrats still wouldn't care.
[01:08:36]  And he'd at least get a little bit of respect from me being like, okay, well, you know, he owned up to it.
[01:08:39]  He probably also should have done that before he started running.
[01:08:42]  He announced and did it after he started running.
[01:08:44]  That was my point when he started running.
[01:08:46]  There was not a number of years.
[01:08:48]  If you know you're going to run for something, you could do some things to prepare, like, for example, cover up your Nazi tattoo.
[01:08:53]  So the moment that your tweets before you're about to run for the Senate, the moment the picture drops, then you could say, oh, you know what?
[01:08:58]  I got that removed five years ago.
[01:08:59]  Yeah, yep.
[01:09:01]  But I will say, I don't want to do too much pearl clutching over this because I don't think people want to hear Jewish people complain about the Totten Kampf symbol on this guy, despite it being there.
[01:09:10]  I mean, I got to be honest.
[01:09:11]  Like, if he came out and said, listen, I don't like his politics.
[01:09:16]  If he came out and they were like, you have a Nazi tattoo, and he goes, you're damn right, I do.
[01:09:20]  Next question.
[01:09:20]  I'd be like, damn.
[01:09:22]  All right.
[01:09:23]  That's infinitely more respectable.
[01:09:25]  The Nazis.
[01:09:25]  Just own up to it.
[01:09:27]  Yeah.
[01:09:27]  I'd like to see him go deep on the Prussian ancestry of the history of the tattoo.
[01:09:30]  Did he get it removed?
[01:09:32]  Well, he says he did.
[01:09:32]  I believe he got covered.
[01:09:34]  Let's jump to this next story.
[01:09:34]  We've got a tweet from U.S. Attorney Pirro.
[01:09:37]  They have released footage, the actual footage from the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
[01:09:43]  In it, you can actually see a dude fire a buckshot at a Secret Service agent.
[01:09:49]  And I would say it's not particularly clear, but it's clear enough to understand what you're seeing.
[01:09:54]  So, this is footage first showing the suspect, Cole Allen, they describe as casing the hotel.
[01:10:02]  And, you know, I watched this video and.
[01:10:08]  It's the same thing I bring up all the time.
[01:10:09]  When I was younger, you see videos like this and you wonder why it is these people are so stupid.
[01:10:14]  And then you think, well, if they were smart, they wouldn't have tried to stage an assassination in the first place.
[01:10:19]  They'd just be rich and funding super PACs.
[01:10:22]  But you can't accuse this guy of being smart.
[01:10:24]  So you can see him, you know, walking around.
[01:10:26]  And then we have the footage that we've already seen, but it's a little bit clearer.
[01:10:29]  So here's him casing the joint again.
[01:10:31]  And then we have, let's jump forward to the surveillance video in question.
[01:10:35]  So this is Saturday and you can see it's 8 36.
[01:10:38]  Now, this is the footage that Trump tweeted that was low quality, and this is the higher res version.
[01:10:43]  And you can see everybody standing around.
[01:10:45]  You'll notice the dog is sniffing.
[01:10:47]  I think the dog smelled the weapons.
[01:10:50]  Yeah.
[01:10:51]  And they just like to do his thing.
[01:10:53]  And let me.
[01:10:54]  They're doing some maintenance on them.
[01:10:56]  Let me find the exact.
[01:10:56]  I think they're breaking down security.
[01:10:58]  So here's him running in.
[01:10:59]  He runs in full speed.
[01:11:01]  And then you can see right here, there's a frame.
[01:11:04]  He aims the shotgun at this agent who takes some buckshot.
[01:11:09]  Oh, my God.
[01:11:09]  Apparently, he was not hurt in the least bit.
[01:11:11]  Oh.
[01:11:12]  Which is surprising.
[01:11:12]  That's close range buckshot.
[01:11:14]  Yeah.
[01:11:14]  He fires several shots at him.
[01:11:16]  I think he fires four.
[01:11:18]  And they draw, but they don't open fire, apparently.
[01:11:21]  Or do they?
[01:11:22]  And then they play it again at slow speed.
[01:11:24]  Kellen brought these three female cops up against the wall.
[01:11:27]  Watch what they do when he runs.
[01:11:29]  The lady cops, huh?
[01:11:30]  Middle one, unfortunately, seems to trip over her own foot.
[01:11:33]  Watch him fire.
[01:11:33]  You can see him fire here.
[01:11:35]  Bang.
[01:11:36]  Dang, dude.
[01:11:37]  I want audio.
[01:11:38]  Do they have audio?
[01:11:40]  No.
[01:11:40]  I haven't seen one with audio yet.
[01:11:42]  Super dangerous for Crossfire there.
[01:11:44]  I don't even want to make life.
[01:11:46]  This is the first thing I thought is, how did he not hit them?
[01:11:49]  Right, or the Crossfire's extreme.
[01:11:51]  Those three ladies, but yeah.
[01:11:52]  Yeah, when you were just grazed in the shed.
[01:11:54]  Oh, man.
[01:11:54]  These look like TSA.
[01:11:55]  I don't think they're TSA.
[01:11:56]  Maybe they're not cops.
[01:11:57]  Maybe that's why they freak out.
[01:11:58]  Well, I mean, TSA is law enforcement.
[01:12:01]  Yeah, TSA.
[01:12:01]  It's TSA.
[01:12:02]  It fell over.
[01:12:04]  I got to be honest.
[01:12:05]  I don't expect TSA to go, like administrative TSA agents, to go chasing after a guy, especially when you got Secret Service and decked out dudes.
[01:12:13]  Yeah, you want to be away behind the guys that are pointing the guns.
[01:12:16]  Downrange.
[01:12:18]  Yeah, there is no audio.
[01:12:20]  But he fires, he hits, geez.
[01:12:23]  I mean, death penalty.
[01:12:24]  Is that not death penalty?
[01:12:25]  You open fire on a cop?
[01:12:26]  Is that not death penalty?
[01:12:27]  Just there it goes?
[01:12:29]  I don't think so.
[01:12:30]  I don't think so.
[01:12:30]  I think he's looking at life.
[01:12:32]  A combination of the charges would be life in prison probably several times over.
[01:12:36]  But I don't, death penalty is usually an egregious crime.
[01:12:40]  Like shooting a cop is not, I think it's just a crime.
[01:12:42]  No, murder is not, does not warrant the death penalty.
[01:12:44]  It's usually like you killed him in a grotesque and horrifying way.
[01:12:48]  I mean, yeah, I think one of the questions here will be what jurisdiction do they bring these charges in?
[01:12:54]  Oh, it's D.C.
[01:12:54]  It's federal.
[01:12:55]  I mean, that's it.
[01:12:56]  It'll be.
[01:12:57]  He's cooked.
[01:12:59]  He's going away for a long time.
[01:13:01]  Now, what happened?
[01:13:02]  He got to the.
[01:13:02]  So, talk me through the rest of this.
[01:13:03]  He ran to the top of a flight of steps that he was trying to get down to get to the ballroom, and they shot him when he was at the top of the steps.
[01:13:10]  I don't think he got shot.
[01:13:10]  I don't think he got shot.
[01:13:11]  He got tackled.
[01:13:12]  How would they not shoot a guy with a shotgun?
[01:13:14]  Well, I'm going to say this.
[01:13:16]  Okay.
[01:13:16]  So, Homeboy runs full speed, right?
[01:13:20]  Darting through, and I'm just like, he's real stupid.
[01:13:25]  He's real, real stupid.
[01:13:26]  He runs through the door first.
[01:13:28]  Yeah, what was he?
[01:13:29]  Caltech engineer, and his plan was just to run.
[01:13:32]  I think he was going to be the area where they were.
[01:13:34]  Well, I will say this running past Secret Service does not necessarily mean he's dumb, but considering the layout of the building and everything that's been put forward, like, this guy is very stupid.
[01:13:45]  I think taking an immediate shot means he's dumb.
[01:13:48]  I'm also wondering why he didn't exercise at all and, like, he's apparently talked about how he wanted to do it.
[01:13:54]  It was his first chance.
[01:13:55]  It's like, brother, have you gone to, like, actually, I'm not going to say anything which could actually aid someone.
[01:14:01]  I'm just going to say, He prepped nothing.
[01:14:03]  Yeah.
[01:14:04]  But of course, anybody smart enough and willing to do preparation would probably just open a bakery and become rich.
[01:14:08]  Yeah.
[01:14:09]  Or if you're really going to do an assassination attempt, you wouldn't know they did it.
[01:14:12]  Like the really good ones, you don't know they did it.
[01:14:13]  I'm going to tell you guys a secret.
[01:14:16]  There's a bakery my friend worked at, and they were doing like 100, 200 grand in sales per day.
[01:14:23]  You want, like, that's why I look at all this stuff and I'm like, it takes a real stupid person to do something like this.
[01:14:29]  Yeah.
[01:14:29]  Because if you really wanted to be rich and you were smart, You'd sell cupcakes.
[01:14:34]  But you can make even, this is a little bit of a side, but you can make smart people stupid by making them scared too.
[01:14:39]  What were you going to say?
[01:14:40]  I'm thankfully stupid because it's very scary what a smart, motivated person can do.
[01:14:47]  A smart, motivated assassin, that is.
[01:14:49]  But no, no, no.
[01:14:50]  As history demonstrates.
[01:14:51]  Oxymoronic.
[01:14:52]  So obviously it exists.
[01:14:55]  My point is most people who are smart will not find themselves as assassins.
[01:15:00]  Sure, hopefully.
[01:15:01]  The payout that hitmen get actually is not worth it.
[01:15:04]  So, if you ever watch these sting operation shows where they'll have a fat hitman and the wife comes in and she's like, I want to kill my husband.
[01:15:12]  And he's like, How much you got?
[01:15:13]  And she goes, 10 grand.
[01:15:14]  And he goes, Okay.
[01:15:15]  Yeah, but I think the past few years have demonstrated that a motivated individual who wants to commit a political assassination, whether it be Trump at the Butler rally, Charlie Kirk, or Shinzo Abe.
[01:15:28]  Yeah, Shinzo Abe was crazy.
[01:15:29]  These happened regularly.
[01:15:31]  These assassins happened regularly.
[01:15:32]  And I mean, it didn't take much besides one motivated.
[01:15:36]  Individual.
[01:15:36]  A lot of these didn't have large conspiracies to them, as far as we know.
[01:15:40]  What about Assassin's Creed?
[01:15:42]  In the game, you have a wristband that, and for no reason, I love the game lore, you cut your index, your ring finger off so that you can make a fist and the blade can go through where your ring is.
[01:15:53]  It makes no sense, but the point is, you have a concealed blade.
[01:15:56]  It's just, life is so precious and it's really so easy to kill people, and there are a lot of.
[01:16:01]  I don't want to sound sketch, it's just that life is so fragile and people have a lot of contact with a lot of people just below the president.
[01:16:10]  And it's easy to have relative access to them.
[01:16:13]  Especially when so much of the security around the president is just performative.
[01:16:17]  I mean, you see all these guys, and not a single one of them saw him running down the hallway until he was already upon them, making his way through.
[01:16:23]  Totally.
[01:16:24]  And the shooter at Butler was just some kid allegedly acting alone, and he would manage to get onto a roof that was unsecure.
[01:16:30]  Right.
[01:16:30]  And another example where.
[01:16:32]  Yeah, well, I don't buy all that.
[01:16:33]  You'd assume the only thing that they would do, if anything, would be to secure the perimeter, and they didn't even do that.
[01:16:38]  To be fair, as you hear this narrative, like security was really bad, that's just not true.
[01:16:44]  The guy got nowhere near the room.
[01:16:45]  I think he wasn't even on the correct floor.
[01:16:47]  He wasn't.
[01:16:48]  He had to go to the other room.
[01:16:49]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:16:51]  I think part of it is the accumulation of weapons beforehand, the checking of the hotel room, and then also casing the joint.
[01:17:00]  None of that raised any suspicions with the hotel security, Metro Police, or the Secret Service.
[01:17:05]  So I think the example of, okay, maybe not a guy shooting buckshot, but what if he brought in some kind of ordinance, some kind of explosive device?
[01:17:13]  Into the facility.
[01:17:15]  There's a lot of things that I can say that I'm not going to because I don't want anyone to.
[01:17:19]  Right.
[01:17:19]  But let me just say this.
[01:17:22]  We will not see dark arts on television.
[01:17:24]  He did not train nor have any plan for what the security in the place would do.
[01:17:31]  Yeah.
[01:17:32]  I can right now, at the top of my head, say three things that would have got him into the ballroom.
[01:17:38]  I'm not going to, but I think a lot of people who have any kind of combat training, any military, are going to be going, oh, yeah.
[01:17:44]  Yeah.
[01:17:45]  Simple, simple things.
[01:17:46]  You don't want to say them.
[01:17:47]  That's why I think Trump's on the side of the deep state because there's none of that military tribe.
[01:17:51]  I mean, he has the deep state.
[01:17:52]  Yeah.
[01:17:52]  I feel like he is now with the deep state.
[01:17:55]  No, no, no.
[01:17:55]  Not with them.
[01:17:56]  He took it over.
[01:17:57]  No, he has taken the deep state.
[01:17:58]  Yeah, because I haven't seen these like any garbage, like real, real attempts.
[01:18:03]  It's like dudes that are like pissed off by the media.
[01:18:05]  It seems like.
[01:18:06]  No, again, Ian, I got to stress this.
[01:18:07]  I don't know.
[01:18:08]  I don't know.
[01:18:08]  The math is actually really simple.
[01:18:10]  People who hate Donald Trump and are very smart just get rich and then fund their way to alter the machine.
[01:18:17]  Oh, yeah.
[01:18:17]  They bought Trump coin and then they sold it when it went up to 80 bucks.
[01:18:20]  I'm saying the people who hate Donald Trump don't buy Trump coin.
[01:18:23]  They invest in Google.
[01:18:27]  They make a billion dollars, go to fundraisers, and then pay NGOs and work with the Soros group because funding DAs across the country is infinitely more successful for their cause.
[01:18:38]  I think we are in an era of political assassinations.
[01:18:42]  I think the rhetoric online is only incentivizing and encouraging people to get more crazy.
[01:18:47]  Society is set up in such a way that people are becoming more mentally ill.
[01:18:51]  It's being encouraged and normalized.
[01:18:53]  You see half the assassins online who've committed these acts are praised or at least not condemned in large part online.
[01:18:59]  People feel as though they have no contribution to the political process.
[01:19:03]  So how are you going to contribute?
[01:19:04]  How are you going to make the difference that you see fit?
[01:19:07]  And you feel justified and have been told you are justified in feeling online and by all of your peers.
[01:19:11]  How are you going to get this out?
[01:19:12]  Your vote doesn't matter, is what you're being told online, and there's nothing you could do to affect change.
[01:19:17]  But guess what?
[01:19:17]  You know, you see other political assassinations happen, and you say, aha, I could make this difference.
[01:19:24]  I could stop Hitler.
[01:19:25]  I could stop fascism in my country.
[01:19:27]  And that's what a lot of these people are thinking.
[01:19:28]  A better way to stop Hitler is to treat it like you're back in time right now, and you can change people's minds within a video.
[01:19:34]  I think the rhetoric and incentive structure that we've set up.
[01:19:37]  Let me say that.
[01:19:38]  If what you're saying is true, which it might be that we're in an era now of this kind of thing, that makes me concerned.
[01:19:42]  Because, like you were saying, how did this guy get all the way through here casing the joints?
[01:19:45]  There's been three attempts on the president in the past.
[01:19:47]  This is like a technocratic argument.
[01:19:48]  They're going to say, we need security.
[01:19:49]  We need more security.
[01:19:51]  We need to spy.
[01:19:52]  We need to get people's DNA.
[01:19:53]  We need to know where you are, when you are.
[01:19:55]  We need to know everyone so that this cannot happen.
[01:19:57]  That's going to be a lot of the argument coming up in this era.
[01:20:00]  Well, I mean, I think two things can be true, right?
[01:20:03]  Like, it can be the case that political assassinations are on the rise, and that may be what it takes.
[01:20:08]  I mean, we'd have the conversation around.
[01:20:09]  What it means for that type of surveillance and FISA surveillance to exist and would it even be effective?
[01:20:15]  But I think it's pretty clear that we're seeing people feel emboldened to take this into their own hands.
[01:20:20]  There's other examples of attacks on members of Congress.
[01:20:23]  The federal court judge in New Jersey who was shot.
[01:20:26]  This stuff is regularly happening in Minneapolis or somewhere in Minnesota.
[01:20:29]  There were a couple of council members outside of an Israeli embassy.
[01:20:32]  There was a couple of staffers that were shot.
[01:20:35]  Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, had a few attacks on him.
[01:20:40]  These are the only ones that I could think of off the top of my head, but people.
[01:20:43]  Aren't widely condemning this, and people do genuinely believe that the ends justify the means in our political system.
[01:20:48]  The more disenfranchised that people feel, the more gerrymandered that districts get, and the less competitive any of these elections are, people will feel more and more disenfranchised.
[01:20:57]  And their outlet for that may be violence, unfortunately.
[01:21:00]  And I think that the incentive structure really and the support around it we're not condemning Luigi Mangione.
[01:21:07]  No, um, Tyler Robinson isn't almost even not being blamed, and Erica Kirk is being made out to be.
[01:21:14]  You know, the villain here.
[01:21:16]  Of course, any violence towards any Jew or Israeli or so called Zionist is justified by the alleged genocide that they're perpetrating.
[01:21:23]  Of course, any Trump supporter is fair game because they're racist, fascist supporters.
[01:21:26]  So, I think the rhetoric around this is dangerous.
[01:21:29]  Of course, we've seen attacks on ICE agents and the doxing of ICE agents.
[01:21:33]  I think people want to take it into their own hands, especially the rhetoric online from the left.
[01:21:39]  They feel totally justified in what they're doing.
[01:21:41]  Well, I mean, the Minneapolis church, the Don Lemon event, right?
[01:21:45]  I mean, what they said was it was necessary for us to go into this house of worship because those people needed to know that one of their auxiliary pastors was an ICE agent.
[01:21:55]  It doesn't matter if you're interfering with worship or.
[01:21:58]  You know, a religious service.
[01:22:00]  We felt so justified that we had to tell these people, you have a pastor who is evil and a Nazi.
[01:22:06]  Well, if they buy into the rhetoric that is being fed to them online and by elected officials, it's hard to blame somebody with a little bit of mental illness for taking this seriously.
[01:22:16]  If Trump really is Hitler, if ICE is really the Gestapo, then aren't you doing something good?
[01:22:21]  If Israel is really committing genocide and we're supporting Israel in committing that genocide, if you stop the people who are supporting it, Aren't you preventing genocide?
[01:22:30]  That's the sort of logical conclusions that a lot of dumb people being misled.

=== Fracturing of the Party (07:03) ===

[01:22:35]  You know what I always thought was really funny is the.
[01:22:37]  And rationalize.
[01:22:38]  If you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it?
[01:22:40]  No, I would help him.
[01:22:41]  I would make him a better human so he didn't go crazy like he did.
[01:22:45]  My point is like the conundrum you're presented with is kill a baby or let Hitler happen when it's like you could literally just move the baby to a different building and like it'll get adopted by a different family.
[01:22:56]  Butterfly, yeah, you could have that.
[01:22:58]  Race him as a Jew.
[01:22:59]  You could literally just take baby Hitler and then bring him to like North Sentinel Island where he'll grow up and just be firing bows and arrows with the North Sentinelese.
[01:23:06]  I wonder if you could ever.
[01:23:07]  To be fair, they probably eat it.
[01:23:09]  If you went back in time to Hitler and you're like, look, I'm going to teach you how to be a really good painter.
[01:23:12]  So this time you'll succeed.
[01:23:13]  Make him better at arts.
[01:23:14]  You end up just making him excited to paint and then the same thing happens.
[01:23:18]  Then what if he doesn't even want to paint anymore?
[01:23:20]  He's like, I've already done this now.
[01:23:22]  What if every.
[01:23:22]  But hold on.
[01:23:23]  What if every time you're like, Hitler, you've got to paint a new picture.
[01:23:26]  Trust me, it's going to work.
[01:23:27]  He's like, but I don't want to paint a picture.
[01:23:28]  I want to kill some Jews.
[01:23:30]  And you're like, stop it, Hitler, stop it!
[01:23:31]  Not this time!
[01:23:32]  Stop it!
[01:23:32]  Not this time!
[01:23:33]  I'm changing things.
[01:23:34]  It's just the bakery.
[01:23:35]  It's not the Jewish people themselves.
[01:23:37]  I don't know.
[01:23:37]  Was it just Hitler responsible for.
[01:23:40]  Only.
[01:23:41]  Yeah, literally nothing else happened either.
[01:23:43]  I don't know.
[01:23:43]  Zuli society put that guy in power on purpose.
[01:23:46]  That cultic mechanism had been flowing for 20 or 30 years.
[01:23:50]  It's like a counter communist movement.
[01:23:51]  I failed to believe that he was solely responsible for all of Nazism and Germany buying into.
[01:23:57]  He was put there.
[01:23:58]  He was chosen to be an order for that movement.
[01:24:02]  It was not an anti-communist, counter-communist, because it was like communist.
[01:24:05]  I'd like to bring this, I think, full circle to the gerrymandering, because I think that plays a role in this, because again, it gets more, as Tim was saying, more extremist lawmakers elected into office.
[01:24:17]  It incentivizes more extreme candidates because they only need to play ball in the primary and not the general.
[01:24:22]  And if their rhetoric is getting more extreme, people again have less of an outlet for their politics in these general elections.
[01:24:28]  I think you're kind of setting up a powder keg in many senses.
[01:24:31]  I thought the same thing earlier when you were talking about that.
[01:24:33]  I don't know how to give people their voice back.
[01:24:35]  Since Congress was hijacked by the Federal Reserve in 1913, like, obviously they're working for big business.
[01:24:40]  The little guy's been suffering under the boot, but they didn't know.
[01:24:43]  Totally screwed.
[01:24:44]  Yeah.
[01:24:44]  I mean, yeah, I think, well, that's one of the big problems, right?
[01:24:48]  Is like, there's no value to the money for working class people.
[01:24:52]  They have no access.
[01:24:53]  Even if they have a member of Congress who is ostensibly equal to their ideological preferences, the members of Congress are all owned by.
[01:25:03]  Big banks, by multinational corporations, by special interests.
[01:25:06]  Can I pivot and ask you, you were in Trump 45.
[01:25:09]  What do you think about Trump 47?
[01:25:11]  What do I think about 47?
[01:25:14]  I think there have been some really exciting things that they've accomplished.
[01:25:17]  I think for those folks who like to say, well, 47 is the corrective to 45.
[01:25:23]  We solved a lot of the personnel issues.
[01:25:26]  I don't know if that's exactly right.
[01:25:28]  I think there are some of the similar problems that we experienced in 45.
[01:25:33]  There are people who are not aligned with the core parts of what Trump originally ran on, which is rewiring trade to favor the interests of working class Americans, stopping the mass immigration that is destroying the continuity, the coherence of our culture.
[01:25:50]  And no foreign entanglements, no forever war.
[01:25:54]  So I think there are parts of 47 that are distinct and different.
[01:25:59]  I think he has moved out faster on some of the core issues that needed to be addressed.
[01:26:06]  But in other ways, I think you see some of the same personnel.
[01:26:09]  I know some people, there's been some fracturing of the party.
[01:26:12]  I don't know if I'm breaking any news for you here.
[01:26:14]  What do you think of the intra MAGA fights that we're seeing as a result of some of the president's policies?
[01:26:21]  I guess, particularly on the Iran war, but there's other things too.
[01:26:24]  Yeah, look, some of that's really difficult to disentangle from the nefarious influence of social media as a new way of not only just getting clicks, but monetizing.
[01:26:37]  So you mentioned the way that a grieving widow is now somehow twisted and reshaped as the villain of the story.
[01:26:47]  And there are plenty of people who have a direct incentive, a monetary incentive to do that.
[01:26:54]  So I think the.
[01:26:58]  The biggest voices in this discussion all have some very interesting incentives to part with the president.
[01:27:05]  Now, I think a few of the folks who have parted with the president most recently, it is on a question of conviction.
[01:27:10]  I think they vehemently disagree with the president's decision to go to war in Iran.
[01:27:15]  And I think as the situation plays out in the Strait of Hormuz and its cascading effect on the world economy, I think they feel like they are justified in that opposition.
[01:27:23]  So I think the question is now if President Trump were running for re election in 2028, would the coalition?
[01:27:30]  That secured his victory this last election 24, be there for him.
[01:27:35]  I don't know if that's as much of an interesting question because he wouldn't be able to run again.
[01:27:38]  No, I'm saying if he were running, right?
[01:27:41]  I think the more interesting question would be would JD Vance or Marco Rubio be able to inherit that coalition?
[01:27:47]  Do you think there's a choice for who would be preferable in a MAGA era parent situation?
[01:27:53]  Because the president won't be around forever, of course.
[01:27:55]  Yeah, I don't know if it's the.
[01:27:57]  I mean, I think obviously if JD Vance decides to run, I think most of the elements of this new fusion coalition.
[01:28:06]  The tech right, the populist core, they're probably going to get behind Vance.
[01:28:12]  But I think it's an open question whether the vice president runs.
[01:28:15]  And I will say it seems like Marco Rubio's staying power as the favorite son of the president is really without parallel.
[01:28:26]  No one has lasted.
[01:28:27]  Fascinating, Grant.
[01:28:28]  Yeah, no one has lasted this close to the son for this.
[01:28:32]  I mean, if you're thinking like French imperial politics, nobody has been this close to the king as a chief courtier for this long and succeeded.
[01:28:40]  And it's not like he's only, you know, it's not like he's just running like national parks.
[01:28:43]  He's got a pretty important portfolio of issues, and the president obviously favors him.
[01:28:49]  It thinks, you know, incredibly highly of the work that he's doing.
[01:28:52]  So I wouldn't count out Marco Rubio.
[01:28:55]  And Marco Rubio still has a lot of staying power with the old guard, the old Bush element of the Republican Party.
[01:29:02]  He's really come a long way.
[01:29:04]  I'm old enough to remember when he was Little Marco.
[01:29:07]  You guys remember Little Marco?
[01:29:08]  Little Marco.
[01:29:09]  And now he is National Security Advisor, Secretary of State.
[01:29:12]  Might be Mega Era Parent.
[01:29:13]  We thought he was a cheap neocon in 2012 when he was one of those eight, or against Obama.
[01:29:17]  I think he ran.
[01:29:18]  Did he run in 2008 as well?
[01:29:19]  Yeah, he ran in 2016.
[01:29:21]  Yeah.
[01:29:21]  He didn't run in 2012.
[01:29:22]  I always thought he was like a cheap warmonger.
[01:29:23]  In 2013, he was an architect of, well, he had joined on some controversial bipartisan bills, and then he ran in 2016.
[01:29:32]  But I think that there's a lot of daylight between that Marco and this Marco.
[01:29:36]  Let's grab this story from The Independent.

=== Area 51 Conspiracy Theories (10:27) ===

[01:29:38]  Mysterious earthquake swarm near Area 51 sparks conspiracy theories about secret testing.
[01:29:45]  The quakes range from 2.5 to 4.4 in magnitude.
[01:29:48]  And struck within miles of the mysterious Area 51 military base.
[01:29:52]  They say at least 17 earthquakes have been recorded in the past 24 hours.
[01:29:59]  That's crazy, right?
[01:30:00]  Testing, yeah.
[01:30:01]  Yeah, they must be testing something, right?
[01:30:03]  Sounds like.
[01:30:03]  Area 51, of course, the Nevada test site.
[01:30:05]  4.4 magnitude earthquake struck 2.5 miles below ground just after 3 p.m. on Wednesday, followed by over a dozen smaller quakes.
[01:30:15]  More than 100 people reported feeling the quakes.
[01:30:18]  Geophysicist and internet special, uh, internet personality Stephen Burns claimed in a video on X.
[01:30:23]  The 4.4 magnitude quake was in an unusual place to get an earthquake, adding that it's particularly shallow.
[01:30:29]  Conspiracy theorists have long speculated that aliens are out at the base.
[01:30:32]  So, this proves that the aliens are trying to escape and their ship is banging against the ground trying to get out of the underground base.
[01:30:39]  I think Scientologists predicted something like that.
[01:30:41]  Yeah.
[01:30:42]  L. Ron Hubbard, yeah, he wrote this all out.
[01:30:44]  Out of the volcano?
[01:30:45]  Yeah.
[01:30:45]  That's where they got to reroute to get out through the volcano.
[01:30:49]  No, that's just so wrong.
[01:30:50]  Okay.
[01:30:51]  Xenu dropped the aliens into the volcano, killing them.
[01:30:54]  Yeah.
[01:30:55]  And then the Thetans came out of the volcano and entered people's bodies.
[01:30:58]  Imagine we made fun of Islam the way we just feel so callously to make fun of science.
[01:31:03]  It's going to be really funny.
[01:31:04]  Don't even think twice about it right now.
[01:31:07]  It's going to be funny because Eli's sitting here and then one day he's going to die and he's going to find himself walking on a cloud, being like, Where am I?
[01:31:13]  He's going to walk up and there's going to be these pearly gates and you're going to be like, Can I come in there and be like, Scientology was the right one and you made fun of him.
[01:31:20]  And there's going to be like a bunch of aliens up there and like, Thetans or whatever those things are.
[01:31:24]  Did you just say you worked there?
[01:31:26]  In 2006, I was in LA.
[01:31:28]  I lived right across.
[01:31:28]  The street from the Scientology Center, and I auditioned for a role of a married guy.
[01:31:33]  Me and my girlfriend cast as a married couple.
[01:31:35]  And they're like, What do you mean you got killed?
[01:31:37]  What do you mean?
[01:31:37]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:31:38]  On Hollywood Boulevard or Hollywood Boulevard?
[01:31:40]  Yeah, Hollywood and Franklin.
[01:31:41]  They're across the street from Birds where we'd hang out.
[01:31:43]  You were cast like in a promotional material?
[01:31:45]  Yeah, promotional material to project the right to marriage, which is one of their tenets everyone, every human has a right to marriage.
[01:31:51]  And it was me and her, and we lied to the people and said, We're married.
[01:31:54]  And we weren't, which I thought was kind of like indicative of what that whole religion is, is fake.
[01:31:59]  It seemed to, it was like this whole thing.
[01:32:00]  You look like you could be a Scientologist too, though.
[01:32:02]  Easily.
[01:32:02]  They want to be bad, dude.
[01:32:03]  We would hang out.
[01:32:05]  I knew a lot of them.
[01:32:06]  Did they test your.
[01:32:07]  Yeah, I did the E meter.
[01:32:08]  I would walk around the.
[01:32:09]  What was your score?
[01:32:10]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:32:11]  Say more about the E meter.
[01:32:13]  What do they do?
[01:32:13]  It's like these metal rods, and then they tell you, like, your E.
[01:32:17]  I don't know if that's your chi.
[01:32:18]  I don't know what they were telling me, but they're like, yeah.
[01:32:20]  You ever go to the arcade and you hold onto the handles, and it, like, shocks you a little bit?
[01:32:23]  I think it's just like that, and it makes you feel a little shocking.
[01:32:26]  And then it, like, fake measures something.
[01:32:28]  Have them work out.
[01:32:29]  They tell you you you're not sufficient and you need to, like, I don't know, do it.
[01:32:31]  It might be measuring something.
[01:32:33]  But, like, they have workout tech where you can hold a metal bar and then stand on a scale and it'll tell you, like, your body mass index and all.
[01:32:38]  So it might have been measuring some frequency, but.
[01:32:40]  So I think this could work with impressionable people.
[01:32:42]  You're a bit impressionable, though.
[01:32:44]  Why didn't this work on you?
[01:32:45]  Why didn't it?
[01:32:45]  I'm super skeptical.
[01:32:46]  I don't know.
[01:32:46]  I don't get into earth religions anyway that much.
[01:32:49]  So I was just like, I don't even think of it really as a religion.
[01:32:51]  Not earthly religions.
[01:32:52]  It was more of like a club.
[01:32:53]  Hold on.
[01:32:54]  Go back.
[01:32:54]  Earth religions.
[01:32:56]  Instead, like, cosmic religions.
[01:32:57]  Yeah.
[01:32:58]  Scientology feels like a cosmic religion.
[01:32:59]  No, no, no.
[01:33:00]  Like, anything human ideas that were developed by humans.
[01:33:02]  I don't really put too much faith in human.
[01:33:05]  Ideologies that much as opposed to like what God really is probably real.
[01:33:09]  So, I'm not too adherent to a one way I got to think of it.
[01:33:12]  It's just, and I always thought it was more of like a bro, a guy's club, Scientology.
[01:33:17]  It didn't feel like a religion.
[01:33:18]  DC is a Scientologist.
[01:33:20]  It was like a fraternity.
[01:33:21]  Tom Cruise.
[01:33:21]  Yeah, Tom was in it.
[01:33:22]  He was like the most famous one at the time.
[01:33:24]  John Travolta.
[01:33:24]  Travolta got.
[01:33:25]  That's not a bad squad of people that made Smith was a Scientologist.
[01:33:28]  They'll tell you, like, they'll make you super famous if you join the fraternity, basically.
[01:33:32]  Then you pay them a bunch of money, and then they make, you hang out at the bar with them afterwards.
[01:33:36]  You all become friends.
[01:33:37]  Oh, they drink too.
[01:33:38]  They cast you in their movies.
[01:33:39]  I think that's the whole thing.
[01:33:40]  How do they feel about Jews?
[01:33:41]  I don't know if they drink.
[01:33:42]  I don't know if they drink.
[01:33:43]  I was just saying that I never drank with Scientologists or anything.
[01:33:45]  I don't know.
[01:33:46]  I didn't ask.
[01:33:46]  I only went there once or twice.
[01:33:49]  Or twice.
[01:33:51]  It's kind of like Jews.
[01:33:52]  I never thought they were a religion.
[01:33:53]  I just thought it was another type of Christianity growing up.
[01:33:56]  We're better than Jews.
[01:33:56]  I don't know.
[01:33:57]  I just said that because you're here.
[01:33:58]  Yeah, no.
[01:33:58]  But it was like I don't know much about religion, man.
[01:34:00]  I don't feel the same as me.
[01:34:02]  Don't be so modest.
[01:34:03]  People are people.
[01:34:05]  When you look in their eyes, they just want to eat food and get good at it.
[01:34:08]  Music is your religion, bro.
[01:34:09]  That's true.
[01:34:10]  Praise God.
[01:34:11]  Are you of an earth religion?
[01:34:14]  Yeah.
[01:34:14]  I mean, yeah, I am of an earth religion.
[01:34:17]  Yeah.
[01:34:18]  Here you go.
[01:34:19]  I prefer earth religions to say Martian ones.
[01:34:21]  Really?
[01:34:22]  Yeah.
[01:34:23]  Yeah.
[01:34:24]  Whatever they're doing up on Mars.
[01:34:25]  I have none of that.
[01:34:26]  Earthly religions, man, I don't know.
[01:34:28]  It seems like we only pray to money these days.
[01:34:30]  I know.
[01:34:30]  That's the earthly religion.
[01:34:31]  That's truly looking back at 10,000 years when they look back at this era, they were worshiping money and they didn't, maybe some of them didn't even realize that they'd been a doctorate.
[01:34:39]  St. Augustine says man has a desire to worship.
[01:34:43]  And if you take God from the picture, He will worship something.
[01:34:46]  Now, Elon says that the next phase of human currency will be just electricity and your ability to move a payload.
[01:34:53]  So, what will we begin to worship then?
[01:34:55]  I'm starting to think this Elon guy is full of it.
[01:34:57]  I don't know.
[01:34:58]  He just sees far ahead.
[01:35:00]  He sees cycles.
[01:35:01]  No, I don't know.
[01:35:01]  Ever since the Doge stuff, and he promised a trillion and only got a billion, I was just like, well, I knew before that too, but that was the nail in the coffin.
[01:35:10]  So, it's better than zero.
[01:35:12]  Yeah, it is better than zero, but if you over promise and under deliver, then you didn't do what you said you were going to do.
[01:35:17]  And people are disappointed.
[01:35:19]  And it's a big disappointment.
[01:35:20]  And I think, in a classic engineer's approach to government, I don't think he expected to find so many obstacles from his own side that people within the administration or maybe even within the cabinet were going to say, no, no, no, not this program because this is my part of the deep state and it has to stay.
[01:35:39]  I do wish I had as many kids as him, not as many baby mamas, though.
[01:35:42]  Do you have any kids?
[01:35:43]  No.
[01:35:44]  Are you planning?
[01:35:44]  I hope so.
[01:35:45]  What's the plan?
[01:35:46]  The plan is to find a beautiful Jewish woman.
[01:35:48]  So once you find her, what are you going to do?
[01:35:50]  I'm going to propose to her.
[01:35:51]  See, my problem is I find the girl and then I'm not good enough.
[01:35:54]  Well, then you didn't find her.
[01:35:55]  Yeah, I thought I did.
[01:35:57]  But, like, you know, you're always looking for the girl.
[01:35:58]  I thought it was like a birds and the bees conversation.
[01:36:00]  How old are you?
[01:36:01]  What are you going to do?
[01:36:02]  You need to do it slower than later, man.
[01:36:03]  Because my whole life, I'm like, I got to find the right girl.
[01:36:05]  And then I'm like, no, I got to be the right girl.
[01:36:06]  You look so young, but you might as well be your one's foot in the grave, man.
[01:36:09]  That's what it's starting to feel like.
[01:36:10]  It's crazy.
[01:36:10]  Even though you look so young.
[01:36:12]  Well, yeah, what are you at?
[01:36:13]  47?
[01:36:13]  Yeah, 47.
[01:36:14]  That's washed up, man.
[01:36:15]  I think I had 32 years left.
[01:36:17]  Genetic age of 44.
[01:36:18]  Last time I said that.
[01:36:19]  That's what you're picking it at?
[01:36:20]  79 is life expectancy.
[01:36:22]  Yeah, okay.
[01:36:22]  Yeah.
[01:36:23]  That's my assessment.
[01:36:24]  We're going to die.
[01:36:26]  Well, maybe.
[01:36:27]  I'm halfway there.
[01:36:28]  I'm just crossing the hill right now.
[01:36:29]  Dude, they're saying you're going to live to 150.
[01:36:31]  Pretty much everybody's going to be like 100.
[01:36:33]  Well, I'm not going to die.
[01:36:35]  Because I'm rich.
[01:36:36]  The rest of you, I don't know.
[01:36:37]  Maybe you.
[01:36:38]  You're friends with the government.
[01:36:40]  There you go.
[01:36:41]  Would you plug your brain into a machine?
[01:36:44]  No, like the cryogenic Walt Disney, just save my brain in my head.
[01:36:48]  No, no, no.
[01:36:49]  Brain digitization.
[01:36:50]  Oh, yeah.
[01:36:51]  They plug a Neuralink in and then slowly, bit by bit, They replace your brain with quantum or nano neurons.
[01:37:00]  And then after 30 years, your whole brain is cybernetic.
[01:37:04]  Yeah, no, I'm not down with the cyborg thing.
[01:37:06]  Me neither, man.
[01:37:07]  I don't want to die because life.
[01:37:08]  Life is awesome, but sometimes I'm like, I don't know.
[01:37:10]  Death is awesome.
[01:37:11]  Sometimes you just want to let it go.
[01:37:12]  Here we go.
[01:37:13]  Sometimes I'm just lost and I'm like, what are we doing here?
[01:37:17]  Having kids.
[01:37:17]  Procreating that, procreating and then what?
[01:37:20]  What else is your purpose?
[01:37:21]  You have kids.
[01:37:22]  Be fruitful and multiply.
[01:37:23]  You pass butter.
[01:37:25]  Pass butter?
[01:37:26]  You pass the butter.
[01:37:28]  That's all.
[01:37:28]  That's your purpose.
[01:37:29]  Just help people out a little bit.
[01:37:30]  No.
[01:37:30]  Keep doing it.
[01:37:31]  Ian, just you during breakfast.
[01:37:33]  You're only here so that when I say pass the butter, you do.
[01:37:35]  I mean, that gives me something to do at least.
[01:37:38]  Purpose.
[01:37:39]  Establishing purpose for humans is very important.
[01:37:41]  Across the board, that's well known in the world.
[01:37:43]  It's a Rick and Morty joke.
[01:37:44]  What's that?
[01:37:44]  It's a Rick and Morty joke.
[01:37:46]  He creates a sentient little robot, and the robot looks at his hands and goes, What is my purpose?
[01:37:50]  And goes, Pass the butter.
[01:37:51]  The hands on the butter.
[01:37:51]  Of my Uncle Alvin.
[01:37:52]  And then he uses it, and the robot goes, What is my purpose?
[01:37:55]  He goes, You pass butter.
[01:37:56]  And the robot goes, Oh my God.
[01:37:59]  Whenever you'd ask Alvin to pass you the butter, he'd make sure you get your thumb stuck in it when he would hand it to you.
[01:38:03]  That's offensive.
[01:38:04]  He was an offensive farmer.
[01:38:06]  He was awesome.
[01:38:06]  You have kids who experience life and learn and iterate.
[01:38:10]  And the function of life, whether you want to call it purpose, is to organize free energy into complex systems, serving as negative entropy, although operating at a lesser rate than entropy itself.
[01:38:22]  Here's what I want to do is prevent World War III.
[01:38:24]  This is my life.
[01:38:25]  Build a space elevator.
[01:38:26]  I'm going to make it happen so now we cancel each other out.
[01:38:28]  You're going to make it happen?
[01:38:29]  You're going to try and stop it?
[01:38:30]  I'm going to try and make it happen.
[01:38:31]  I'm going to try and stop it.
[01:38:32]  I'm going to do it just to spite you.
[01:38:34]  I'm going to try and make it happen.
[01:38:35]  I have to stop it.
[01:38:36]  Don't do it.
[01:38:37]  Come back to me.
[01:38:38]  I want to do it.
[01:38:40]  World War 11?
[01:38:41]  Build a space elevator, prevent the World War.
[01:38:43]  If we can.
[01:38:44]  I don't know what the space elevator makes World War III happen.
[01:38:46]  Oh, yeah, truly.
[01:38:48]  What if I was gonna say the verbals are in competition?
[01:38:51]  So, like, America builds a space elevator, and then China's like, You can't have access to the moon like that.
[01:38:56]  We want access to the moon.
[01:38:57]  Then the U.S. starts moon mining real easily, and with access to these resources, starts growing too rapidly.
[01:39:03]  Other nations get threatened, and all of the resources coming from the moon and staying in Earth cause a shift in the rotation of the Earth because now they're displacing weight from the moon onto Earth, causing the Earth to wobble.
[01:39:15]  So, other countries are like, Dude.
[01:39:17]  Earth will be destroyed unless you guys stop moon mining.
[01:39:19]  And they're like, don't look at me, man.
[01:39:21]  I only moon mine a couple tons per year, but it's everyone doing it at once.
[01:39:25]  And so then a war breaks out and it's your fault.
[01:39:26]  We have to replace the weight that we take off the mass that we take off the moon.
[01:39:30]  We have to replace it with stuff.
[01:39:31]  I asked ChatGPT how much.
[01:39:33]  They were like, don't worry about it.
[01:39:34]  It would take so long to mine such moon mass that the tides would become affected.
[01:39:39]  But eventually it would happen.
[01:39:41]  So we would have to put rock, mine the metal, put the rock on there.
[01:39:45]  Just put water up there.
[01:39:46]  Water.
[01:39:46]  And it would just evaporate, though.
[01:39:47]  It would just evaporate.
[01:39:48]  It would just evaporate.
[01:39:48]  It would freeze, would it?
[01:39:49]  What a space.
[01:39:50]  It would not freeze.
[01:39:51]  I don't think so.
[01:39:51]  What other things should we do on Earth?
[01:39:53]  Because, like, the political thing in the US is fucking terrifying right now.
[01:39:56]  I'm like, what do we do?
[01:39:57]  We gotta.
[01:39:58]  We should make, like, a thousand more Pokemon.
[01:40:02]  Right now, there's about a thousand, but we need a thousand more.

=== Moon Mining Tunnels (11:27) ===

[01:40:06]  Okay.
[01:40:06]  I could do that.
[01:40:07]  No, we need to go back to the original 151.
[01:40:09]  The biodiversity of Pokemon.
[01:40:11]  Yeah.
[01:40:12]  Yeah.
[01:40:12]  You know what?
[01:40:13]  Elod's right.
[01:40:14]  Let's delete all of them and just go back to the original, which didn't make sense.
[01:40:18]  There were, like, three birds in their whole world.
[01:40:20]  Yeah, once they got to the thousands, well, once they got the second set, it's gone.
[01:40:23]  I never really recognized any of those ones.
[01:40:25]  Yeah, recognized past the OGs.
[01:40:27]  And the collectability was gone.
[01:40:29]  Yeah.
[01:40:30]  Because the original Pokemon, there was only one species that had male and female.
[01:40:34]  Like every other species was just asexual, I guess, or hermaphroditic.
[01:40:39]  They should have capped it with Mewtwo.
[01:40:41]  With Mew and Mewtwo.
[01:40:43]  I think that's it.
[01:40:43]  That should have been the end.
[01:40:44]  I can't participate.
[01:40:45]  I never played it.
[01:40:46]  I never saw it.
[01:40:46]  I don't know anything.
[01:40:47]  My buddy sang the theme song.
[01:40:48]  That's all I know.
[01:40:48]  Jason Page.
[01:40:49]  Were you a Yu Gi Oh guy?
[01:40:51]  I guess I remember Crazy Bone.
[01:40:53]  I was thinking about this.
[01:40:53]  Oh, yeah.
[01:40:55]  It's hard to explain what that was to a lot of people.
[01:40:57]  Yeah.
[01:40:58]  I think there's another name for a game that was similar to Crazy Bones, and Crazy Bones came in like a coffin.
[01:41:03]  Oh, yeah.
[01:41:04]  You flick them, and then you get the other ones if you knock them down.
[01:41:08]  Okay.
[01:41:08]  I never played it.
[01:41:09]  It lasted for like one year.
[01:41:10]  Did you guys play crossbows and catapults in the 80s?
[01:41:13]  I mean, I just keep talking about old board games.
[01:41:16]  How old are you?
[01:41:18]  I'm 40.
[01:41:20]  I'm just a few years behind you on the journey into the career.
[01:41:23]  And you look a lot younger than him, too.
[01:41:25]  Well, genetic age and solar age aren't the same.
[01:41:28]  That's why I'm in the solar 80s.
[01:41:30]  Your genes can get younger, your telomeres can recall.
[01:41:33]  Okay.
[01:41:33]  I just saw this.
[01:41:33]  I got to pull it up because it's fun.
[01:41:35]  We're going to talk about this real quick.
[01:41:36]  This is from rslashtheories on Reddit.
[01:41:39]  The ballroom bunker must be stopped at all costs.
[01:41:43]  We have to prevent the ballroom bunker from being built.
[01:41:45]  We have to.
[01:41:46]  The ballroom is so important to him because it's not about the ballroom, never was.
[01:41:50]  It's about having a secure location for his Night of the Long Knives.
[01:41:53]  Wow.
[01:41:53]  What?
[01:41:58]  Oh, man.
[01:41:58]  How many upvotes does this thing have?
[01:42:00]  290.
[01:42:02]  His supporters want mass arrest.
[01:42:04]  They post about it constantly.
[01:42:05]  After they indicted the SPLC, his admin linked judges who were to the SPLC as lawyers.
[01:42:09]  We're being slow boiled alive.
[01:42:11]  Yeah.
[01:42:11]  Yeah.
[01:42:12]  The same people building the Silicon Valley bunkers are building his.
[01:42:15]  Why are they all needing these bunkers?
[01:42:17]  Why is it so important?
[01:42:18]  Do you really think they're going to allow us to get back in power and risk them getting arrested?
[01:42:21]  They're all implicated in the Epstein files.
[01:42:23]  The only way he gets to keep the government buildings with his name, passports, the golden dollars, his statues, his arch, stolen billions, is if the billionaire and he wipes us out and stays in power.
[01:42:37]  They can't live with us knowing what we know.
[01:42:39]  There is only one outcome in this timeline.
[01:42:40]  Unless we change it, we are in grave danger.
[01:42:44]  Yes, you are.
[01:42:44]  Trump wanted to make the straight of Trump.
[01:42:47]  He wanted to change the name of the straight.
[01:42:48]  I don't know if he wants to, but he posted that with his Truth Social account.
[01:42:51]  He posted it.
[01:42:52]  I got to be honest, like the Trump passports, Trump accounts.
[01:42:56]  Did you guys?
[01:42:57]  So I looked up the Trump accounts, right?
[01:42:58]  Yeah.
[01:42:59]  And it's IRS form 4547.
[01:43:01]  Yeah.
[01:43:02]  4547.
[01:43:02]  It's genius.
[01:43:03]  Oh, man.
[01:43:04]  It's genius.
[01:43:06]  Okay.
[01:43:06]  The Trump passports.
[01:43:08]  I'm like, I see people posing and be like, man, I really want to get one of these.
[01:43:12]  And I'm like, are you joking?
[01:43:13]  It's a novelty I don't really care about.
[01:43:15]  But the people who are like, yeah, Trump passport, I'm like, uh huh.
[01:43:19]  No, I totally want to get one.
[01:43:20]  What do you mean?
[01:43:20]  It's going to be iconic, especially like 10 years out from now.
[01:43:22]  Oh, and even thinking of 100 years.
[01:43:23]  No, it won't be iconic because 10 years out from now, there'll be the 10th edition.
[01:43:27]  No, they're definitely like, once Trump's out of office, they're definitely.
[01:43:30]  Wait, What do you mean once Trump is out of office?
[01:43:35]  Yeah.
[01:43:35]  Are you one of those guys?
[01:43:35]  Is that what you mean?
[01:43:37]  You're one of those guys.
[01:43:38]  Trump is building.
[01:43:39]  Like that meme where it's just every fucking day.
[01:43:41]  Guys, the ballroom is actually not a ballroom, it's the launch facility for Trump's Voltron.
[01:43:47]  Oh.
[01:43:47]  So, yeah, Hegseth.
[01:43:49]  Cash and Rubio each have a robot, and so does Trump.
[01:43:54]  And when they come together, they come out of the ballroom, it opens up from the roof.
[01:43:58]  What about?
[01:43:59]  Does JD have one?
[01:44:00]  Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, JD, JD, JD.
[01:44:02]  Yeah, he's the chest.
[01:44:04]  And then you've got Hagseth Vitale, the arms.
[01:44:07]  Trump is the head.
[01:44:08]  And they Voltron, and then they're going to just rampage through America, stepping on Democrat congressional office.
[01:44:14]  It's not a ballroom.
[01:44:15]  It's a, it's a, what is it?
[01:44:16]  It's like his pyramid.
[01:44:17]  It's his tomb.
[01:44:18]  It's going to be the president's tomb.
[01:44:20]  That's right.
[01:44:20]  He's going to be at the White House.
[01:44:22]  Very Egyptian.
[01:44:23]  Exactly.
[01:44:24]  It would be funny.
[01:44:24]  Beneath it is going to be all of his riches.
[01:44:27]  That's where it's going to store all of his money and gold.
[01:44:28]  It would actually be hilarious.
[01:44:30]  I'm sorry, it would be.
[01:44:31]  If as soon as it's built, they line all of Trump's assets, just like gold, cars, and then right in the middle is a cryogenic chamber, and Trump just gets in and says, I resign.
[01:44:41]  And then lays down and just freezes them right there.
[01:44:44]  It's sealed off.
[01:44:46]  Yeah, the whole room, gigantic iron gates come down, steel shutters.
[01:44:53]  No one can get in it for 200 years.
[01:44:55]  It's just there.
[01:44:56]  And then, like 100 years from now, I'd be like, yeah, the 47th president's still in there.
[01:45:00]  I have a feeling, I guess, if the Republicans hold office, it probably won't happen.
[01:45:03]  But if the Democrats took the presidential power, they would just undo a bunch of the naming stuff that Trump's been doing.
[01:45:09]  Well, I think that's guaranteed.
[01:45:10]  Okay, I thought so.
[01:45:11]  All of it is 100%.
[01:45:13]  Real quick, the conspiracy theory here is that under the ballroom actually is a massive bunker.
[01:45:18]  Oh.
[01:45:18]  And the libs think the ballroom is the guys, is the, like, we're building a ballroom for special events.
[01:45:25]  But it's actually so they can build a deep underground bunker with special capabilities and stuff like that.
[01:45:30]  I imagine they're in a.
[01:45:30]  There's definitely funny business under the ballroom.
[01:45:32]  I don't know whether or not that was like the impetus for why the president wanted to build a new thing.
[01:45:36]  What funny business?
[01:45:37]  We don't know exactly, but some funny business.
[01:45:39]  Like clowns?
[01:45:40]  Definitely clowns.
[01:45:41]  Juggling down there.
[01:45:42]  Something is going to be going on underneath.
[01:45:43]  Clowns with laser guns?
[01:45:44]  Yeah.
[01:45:45]  Something on.
[01:45:45]  One clown's juggling while the other one shoots them with the lasers.
[01:45:48]  And Trump's down there going, I love being president.
[01:45:51]  I don't think they've made a new situation room in a few decades.
[01:45:53]  Like, there's a couple of different things that would make sense for them to have.
[01:45:57]  You mentioned just.
[01:45:57]  Well, so the conspiracy theory on the White House shooting is that it was staged to create a legal justification for the ballroom, which is dumb because it doesn't make sense legally.
[01:46:06]  You can't go to court and be like, this ex. Extraneous event occurred, therefore, I now have legal standing to build with taxpayer dollars.
[01:46:13]  So they're going to be like, these are unrelated things.
[01:46:15]  You don't get legal standing based on a thing happening somewhere else.
[01:46:18]  I bet they got a big bunker under the White House.
[01:46:20]  Under the White House is a network of tunnels.
[01:46:22]  I've been there.
[01:46:22]  You can just go there.
[01:46:23]  Oh, cool.
[01:46:23]  Yeah, they have a bowling alley.
[01:46:25]  Oh, do they go deeper than they?
[01:46:28]  Yes.
[01:46:28]  There's deeper and deeper and deeper tunnels.
[01:46:30]  And they go 40, 50 miles out.
[01:46:31]  Wow.
[01:46:32]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:46:33]  So the White House is a complex.
[01:46:35]  There's a couple of buildings, like there's the White House.
[01:46:37]  And you go there quite a bit with the press briefing.
[01:46:39]  There's the White House, and then there's the buildings next to them.
[01:46:41]  And underground, it's all connected.
[01:46:43]  Exactly.
[01:46:43]  And then there's secret tunnels that go way out 40 miles into like Western Maryland.
[01:46:47]  Yeah, in case like a nuclear blast happens and you do a vacuum.
[01:46:50]  They drive.
[01:46:50]  They're big.
[01:46:51]  I think they were testing in areas like that.
[01:46:52]  And actually, if you walk around D.C. and you're smart, you can find the old tunnels.
[01:46:57]  The old tunnels, some of which are like at Georgetown University that were used during the Civil War.
[01:47:01]  You can see the exit.
[01:47:02]  Wow.
[01:47:02]  There will be like a weird thing where if you don't really think about it, you don't know what it is.
[01:47:06]  But if you know where they are, you can see the exits that pop up in the middle of D.C. or somewhere where there are exits to secret escape tunnels.
[01:47:12]  And it's completely reasonable for people to dig tunnels every now and then and there's nothing weird about that.
[01:47:16]  Oh, Boring Company got.
[01:47:17]  Elon started a porn company and then it just went dark.
[01:47:19]  It's totally government.
[01:47:20]  Look at this.
[01:47:21]  They're building so many tunnels right now, dude.
[01:47:23]  It's not a ballroom.
[01:47:25]  Time magazine's calling it a massive military complex.
[01:47:28]  Interesting.
[01:47:30]  What if Trump is building, like, what if Trump really is everything Democrats have claimed he is?
[01:47:35]  And all the Republicans that are like, I wish he was the fascist they claimed he was.
[01:47:39]  He is, but not on the surface.
[01:47:41]  So we don't get anything we actually want, but all of the worst things imaginable are actually happening.
[01:47:45]  Well, I mean, the crazy thing, though, about this picture.
[01:47:49]  That's running with this story in time.
[01:47:51]  It assumes that we don't have Google Earth imaging.
[01:47:54]  Like you could bring up the satellite pictures of what they're building.
[01:47:57]  So if it is a massive military complex, China, Iran, everyone already knows about it.
[01:48:05]  I'm skeptical of this because they would have done more to secure the site and they would have moved faster to construct even before the lawsuits.
[01:48:11]  It's very, also, I don't think you would want it right next to the White House if you were going to build a big military complex.
[01:48:16]  You want it farther away so if it gets hit by a missile, it doesn't blow up the entire.
[01:48:20]  Yeah.
[01:48:21]  Placenta.
[01:48:22]  Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, the one thing a lot of Americans don't understand about the White House is it's a 18th century house that's doing triple, quadruple duty now as the nerve center of the executive branch, as the official sort of meet and greet for the head of state, you know, for the first ladies.
[01:48:42]  It's maxed out.
[01:48:43]  It's totally maxed out.
[01:48:44]  There is, the president is not wrong.
[01:48:45]  I mean, when, you know, the thing that liberals made a big deal about in 45, that he came and he was like, wow, this place is kind of a dump.
[01:48:50]  I mean, there's so many people going through there, the quarters are cramped.
[01:48:55]  You mentioned the Situation Room.
[01:48:56]  The last time it was rewired was, I think, the end of the Clinton presidency.
[01:49:00]  The last massive retrofit of it was under President Nixon.
[01:49:04]  And these retrofits, because it's a place of work, they just kind of paper shit over.
[01:49:08]  So the building needs to be updated.
[01:49:11]  I want to stress this too.
[01:49:12]  Living in the White House would be living in a hotel with a convention going on 24 7.
[01:49:17]  It's like the most miserable thing that you could imagine.
[01:49:20]  The White House, again, it's a complex.
[01:49:22]  Actually, let me pull up Earth and explain this.
[01:49:24]  They're going to paint it eventually.
[01:49:26]  Paint it?
[01:49:26]  Yeah, they keep the brown house.
[01:49:28]  They made it, they based it off of Roman architecture, which is all these white pillars of marble.
[01:49:32]  But The paint wore off of those.
[01:49:34]  They actually paint their houses like normal humans.
[01:49:37]  So, here you go.
[01:49:39]  Memorabilia that's like all white.
[01:49:41]  So, you've got the Eisenhower building, and this is part of the White House complex, but the White House actually is these three buildings.
[01:49:47]  They tore this one down, right?
[01:49:48]  That's the one that got knocked out.
[01:49:49]  That's gone.
[01:49:50]  Yeah.
[01:49:50]  And then you've got the Treasury building.
[01:49:52]  So, you go in here.
[01:49:53]  This is the press briefing.
[01:49:54]  This is the press briefing right here a lot?
[01:49:55]  A little bit to the right.
[01:49:56]  To the right.
[01:49:57]  Yeah.
[01:49:57]  Right here?
[01:49:58]  That long portion.
[01:49:59]  A long portion.
[01:50:00]  Yeah.
[01:50:00]  So, that's where the oval is.
[01:50:02]  And that's gone to where your cruise earth.
[01:50:04]  Left, down, yeah.
[01:50:06]  In here?
[01:50:06]  Yeah, bottom right part of the.
[01:50:07]  Oh, yeah, the west wing, right?
[01:50:08]  The swimming pool?
[01:50:09]  Yeah.
[01:50:09]  And where your cursor just was, like the rose garden, that's gone.
[01:50:12]  Yeah, now it's just a cave building.
[01:50:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:50:13]  And there's a few statues there.
[01:50:15]  So here's the White House.
[01:50:16]  Imagine living in here, and you've got all the people showing up for work in here, and in here, and in here, and in here, and in here.
[01:50:22]  You're living at the castle.
[01:50:24]  No, it's like living in a convention.
[01:50:25]  Yeah.
[01:50:26]  Yeah.
[01:50:27]  Sorry, I didn't mean it.
[01:50:27]  There's a lot of traffic in and out consistently.
[01:50:29]  Yeah, it's nuts.
[01:50:30]  24 7.
[01:50:31]  To the southwest of that, is that a pool that you can swim in?
[01:50:35]  I'm not.
[01:50:35]  Looks like it.
[01:50:36]  There's a pool.
[01:50:37]  I never get close to that.
[01:50:39]  Is that just for people that live there or work there?
[01:50:42]  I mean, I think, I mean, the first family, obviously, but I think that's right behind the chief's office, the chief of staff's office is in that corner over there.
[01:50:50]  And then deep underground.
[01:50:52]  Which ones?
[01:50:53]  You said press briefing is right here?
[01:50:54]  Yeah.
[01:50:54]  Yeah.
[01:50:55]  Oh, well, how does that work though?
[01:50:56]  Because I feel like I walked in here.
[01:50:59]  You might have entered through the.
[01:51:00]  Yeah, I did.
[01:51:01]  That's just to the west wing there.
[01:51:02]  Yeah, okay.
[01:51:02]  To the west wing.
[01:51:03]  Yeah, we walked down these stairs and we walked up here and then we entered here.
[01:51:06]  That's Pebble Lane right there.
[01:51:08]  If you look a little bit north, Him Pebble Beach, yeah, Pebble Beach.
[01:51:11]  Those tents right there are where, um, yeah, all the press people shoot live videos from, right?
[01:51:15]  Right, and Trump's like he walks in and then they're all standing there.
[01:51:18]  And then you go to the right, and that would be where we enter the press briefing room, right?
[01:51:22]  Here, yeah, down here, no, to the right, we'd go down that street.
[01:51:25]  Yeah, this right here, no, left a little bit between where you were at orange, yeah, the orange build.
[01:51:31]  Yeah, I think he's intentionally mousing around it.

=== Venice AI Video Generation (02:26) ===

[01:51:33]  I like doing it.
[01:51:34]  I'm just like, this looks like a hallway, it doesn't look like the entrance.
[01:51:37]  It had they retrofitted the uh briefing room?
[01:51:39]  I think you mentioned that it was had been cramped or.
[01:51:41]  Or somebody that's very correct, they didn't retrofit it, it's very tiny and they can't purposefully keep it that way.
[01:51:45]  The last major retrofit of the White House complex was under Harry Truman.
[01:51:50]  That they did a significant refit of the facade, they added the balcony on the south lawn.
[01:51:56]  I mean, so because a lot of presidents don't want to lose the symbolic power of being in the White House.
[01:52:02]  So I think, like, the end of the Clinton presidency, they moved some offices out to do like new paint and new carpet.
[01:52:07]  But like, the idea of shutting down the White House for a major retrofit for two or three years.
[01:52:13]  While the president works out of a temporary office in the old executive office, no president wants to forego the symbolism of the White House.
[01:52:19]  We're going to go to your Rumble rants and super chat.
[01:52:21]  So, smash the like button and share the show with everyone you know.
[01:52:23]  But before we do, we got a great sponsor for you, my guy.
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[01:52:54]  I'm not going to say much, but wow, this is a crazy story.
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=== Deep State Antibody Reaction (08:10) ===

[01:53:59]  Let's grab your rumble rants and super chats.
[01:54:04]  We got Jay Dirtbiker says, rip to one of the greatest of all time in country music, Mr. David Allen Coe.
[01:54:10]  He's finally being called by his name.
[01:54:11]  Is that how you say it?
[01:54:14]  Ghostblade says, Southern Poverty Law Center has given a new definition to Hood Rats, a Democrat organization that falsifies hatred to gain fraudulent privileges and play victim to their own manufactured hate.
[01:54:26]  Codrum says, how about we just get rid of districts?
[01:54:29]  Just give proportional seats to each party, i.e., 20 seat state, that's 55, 45, Reg, it's 11 GOP and 9 Dem.
[01:54:36]  Not D. Districts are different, and you don't want to be in a blue state where you have no representation.
[01:54:43]  Graham says the only reason Michigan is blue is because 60% of voters are in the southeast of the lower peninsula.
[01:54:49]  I think Michigan should be two states.
[01:54:53]  What's going on?
[01:54:53]  Why is it split with the water?
[01:54:55]  You know what I mean?
[01:54:56]  Yeah, what is that?
[01:54:57]  Wisconsin that has that other part?
[01:54:59]  Yeah, the upper peninsula.
[01:55:00]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:55:01]  What is this, huh?
[01:55:02]  Some kind of.
[01:55:04]  Wisconsinites must just be kind of soft.
[01:55:06]  I mean, for sure.
[01:55:07]  It's an opportunistic thing to do.
[01:55:09]  Take their territory.
[01:55:10]  Well, I guess to be fair, there is a bridge connecting them.
[01:55:13]  Okay.
[01:55:16]  Yeah, what's going on?
[01:55:17]  And then Canada is stealing part of the land.
[01:55:19]  Yeah, totally.
[01:55:19]  Yeah, we can't accept that.
[01:55:21]  Could you imagine you're on a boat in Lake Superior, mind your own business, and accidentally you're in Canada now?
[01:55:26]  That'd be the worst thing ever.
[01:55:28]  That used to happen in Lake Superior.
[01:55:29]  They just shoot you, they throw maple syrup cocktails.
[01:55:33]  No, no, they would vax you and enroll you in some kind of socialized health care.
[01:55:38]  No.
[01:55:40]  Indeed.
[01:55:40]  Things that we just don't want.
[01:55:42]  All right, let's grab some more of these here, Super Chats.
[01:55:45]  What does it say?
[01:55:47]  War a pack?
[01:55:48]  What does it say?
[01:55:49]  War a pack?
[01:55:49]  I don't know how to say your name.
[01:55:51]  Is being a fascist worse than being a communist?
[01:55:54]  Communists kill more people in history than anyone else.
[01:55:57]  Yeah, actually, and fascist countries actually just dissolve.
[01:56:00]  Communists, fascist countries eventually just like they dissolve into general elections.
[01:56:09]  Communist countries kill everybody until they blow up.
[01:56:13]  So I was actually reading an interesting academic article about this that if you look at, you know, Spain, for instance, It eventually just soft turned back into a standard republic.
[01:56:24]  Well, after, I mean, Franco wrote a constitution that restored the monarchy and allowed for democratic elections.
[01:56:30]  Yeah.
[01:56:31]  Whereas communists fight to the bitter end until there's no one left.
[01:56:34]  Yeah, there's no one.
[01:56:36]  Is North Korea considered fascist or communist?
[01:56:39]  Communist.
[01:56:39]  Communist.
[01:56:40]  Yeah.
[01:56:41]  Totalitarian.
[01:56:43]  For sure.
[01:56:43]  Yeah.
[01:56:44]  Yeah.
[01:56:44]  Is our all.
[01:56:45]  More than anything else.
[01:56:46]  Like, I mean, I'm sure they, the ideology is communist, but like, yeah.
[01:56:50]  It's more state repression than.
[01:56:53]  Batman says, Tim, I've been watching you since the beginning.
[01:56:55]  You're amazing and truly inspirational because of you and your message.
[01:56:58]  I am enlisting in the Army and striving to serve America the best I can.
[01:57:01]  Thank you for everything, Tim.
[01:57:03]  Well, amazing.
[01:57:04]  Best of luck.
[01:57:05]  Tim, you're motivating the next generation of patriots.
[01:57:08]  Well, I mean, I've never advocated people join the Army because I have issues with the.
[01:57:13]  You're going to get this guy to drop out now.
[01:57:15]  Let me put it like this.
[01:57:16]  Let's say the year is 1780.
[01:57:21]  Now, let's go with the.
[01:57:22]  1780 could work.
[01:57:23]  Revolutionary War.
[01:57:26]  There is a battle going on, and they know that there's this dude who lives in Virginia who's one of the best tacticians ever, but he's just not in the army.
[01:57:34]  They can issue a field commission.
[01:57:36]  They can be like, We need you.
[01:57:38]  Because this is when humans made sense and it wasn't bureaucratic.
[01:57:40]  It was like, Listen, I'm in charge of this.
[01:57:43]  Would you like to fight alongside me?
[01:57:44]  I'll give you a field commission.
[01:57:45]  They'd be like, Okay, you can't do that anymore.
[01:57:47]  Now it's like, Did you go to college?
[01:57:49]  It's like, Well, you could have a guy who's one of the best in terms of private military stuff.
[01:57:57]  Trained with a bunch of crazy top tier guys, and they're going to be like, Sorry, we can hire you privately, but you literally can't join the military unless you go to college.
[01:58:05]  Can they do battlefield appointments, commissions?
[01:58:08]  I don't know.
[01:58:08]  Legally, they can't.
[01:58:09]  Genghis Khan was great at that.
[01:58:10]  He'd find the smartest, best people, and he just put them in power.
[01:58:13]  They were like, Nope.
[01:58:13]  That's how it used to be.
[01:58:15]  I think there is credit that should be given to Hegseth here in getting rid of the idea that promotion through the general officer ranks relies on you getting a degree from Princeton or Harvard.
[01:58:27]  That's gone.
[01:58:27]  But to Tim's point, I mean, like, Look, under the current bureaucratic system we have, you know, MacArthur would have been out before the end of World War II.
[01:58:35]  LeMay would have been out because it's promote or you're out, and there's an age cap on promotion.
[01:58:40]  So, all this genius that we credit now would have never been in the positions they were in in those pivotal moments because of bureaucracy.
[01:58:47]  It's way too bureaucratic and it becomes rigid.
[01:58:51]  And I know it's a large organization, so not everyone has the same experience, but the people that I know who have served when I stayed briefly at Fort Carson for about a month and a half when my My sister was living there and I stayed with her.
[01:59:05]  And I lived briefly outside of Fort Eustis when my brother was stationed there.
[01:59:09]  And the stories that I hear from people there, they're just like, it's like working at Walmart.
[01:59:16]  You know, you go to your chain of command, you might go to the chain of command, you might be like, hey, here's a thing that needs to be solved.
[01:59:21]  And they're like, the mechanism doesn't allow for us to solve problems that way.
[01:59:25]  You hear about the bureaucracy of it.
[01:59:27]  And it's just, it is inefficient, in my opinion.
[01:59:31]  I would love to.
[01:59:32]  I know getting Hagseth on the show is a big ask, but, and maybe while he's serving.
[01:59:36]  That'd be great to.
[01:59:37]  To hear about what it was when he came in, how he's changed it, what he wants to change it to.
[01:59:41]  Yeah.
[01:59:42]  We just have to go to him.
[01:59:43]  Okay.
[01:59:43]  I think we've already had the discussion with administration people, and it's like, bro, trying to get the Secretary of War to come out here for your show.
[01:59:51]  Like, go there, and he'll sit down with you, and he'll talk to you.
[01:59:53]  I do think this is why you see such a virulent reaction the antibody reaction from the deep state and the DC elite to Hegseth is because he is changing a lot of the ways that we recruit and we get the general officers, but also some of these really.
[02:00:08]  Fake and sort of silly requirements.
[02:00:10]  I'm like, well, you can't be an officer unless you went to college, or you can't promote unless you got this fake credential from the executive program.
[02:00:17]  Yeah, we can't function this way.
[02:00:18]  Like, there's going to be some dude, and this is the problem with the over reliance on private enterprise to subsidize effectively the failures that we're having in our military.
[02:00:29]  Now, by all means, I think it's great if you're signing up, if you're enlisting.
[02:00:33]  That's absolutely fantastic.
[02:00:35]  I'm not trying to rag and say don't do it.
[02:00:36]  I'm just saying there's a lot of guys who work in cybersecurity, for instance.
[02:00:42]  And they grew up in a world of computers where they became some of the best OPSEC guys on the planet.
[02:00:47]  And they did not go to school and they did not train to be in the military.
[02:00:51]  And now the government relies on private contractors for most of this stuff.
[02:00:56]  Maybe not most of it at this point.
[02:00:57]  Maybe things are changing.
[02:00:58]  But it was always so to me, and largely this view is predicated upon this that I knew people who were the best hackers you'd ever see in terms of actual computer networking, real hacking, real computer hacking.
[02:01:10]  And they would do private contracts, be outside the chain of command.
[02:01:14]  And I'm like, this is dumb.
[02:01:15]  Why can't they go to you and say, we're going to put you through basic training?
[02:01:18]  You are going to come in as an officer specializing in cybersecurity.
[02:01:21]  You can be in the military.
[02:01:22]  Nope.
[02:01:23]  Can't do it.
[02:01:24]  So, what they do is they hire you privately and then you're outside the chain of command.
[02:01:27]  And it's just, I think that's dumb.
[02:01:29]  I think it's bad for the U.S. military.
[02:01:31]  And I think to your point, the over reliance on the private sector subsidy just compensates for the obvious inefficiencies, the pathogens in government.
[02:01:42]  I suppose the argument that I've heard is that there's a lot of things you need to know that is administrative about being an officer the functions of the chain of command, the ranks, even pay structures.
[02:01:53]  I think security clearances too.
[02:01:54]  Like how you actually do it.
[02:01:56]  You can't just be a regular person who has no idea how the machine works and come into the machine.
[02:02:00]  The only thing I would say on that is so I'm a reservist in the Air Force.
[02:02:04]  I was a dude off the street.
[02:02:05]  I went to officer training school.
[02:02:08]  They don't teach you any of that stuff.

=== Sam Fran Social Media (03:56) ===

[02:02:10]  Any of this.
[02:02:11]  Try to navigate your way through healthcare, your pay, any of that.
[02:02:15]  I mean, this is part of the bureaucracy.
[02:02:18]  It's all just kind of like a mystical, specialized knowledge you have to gain.
[02:02:23]  What really I think.
[02:02:25]  What got it for me is how many times I heard someone who was really passionate and wanted to be in there for a career, but they felt that they were held back by bureaucracy.
[02:02:34]  Oh, I think, I mean, really, honestly, I think you're exactly right.
[02:02:38]  I would say it's even bigger than the military, though, that we have so many people in our country who are autodidacts, they're self trained, they learned a skill on the farm, they learned a skill from dad, who was a skilled tradesman.
[02:02:51]  And unless they have a paper credential saying, oh, you are an expert in this, there's no place in our economy for them.
[02:02:57]  And that's just not true with the American experience.
[02:03:00]  I mean, America's genius has always been the tinkerer and the garage creates the, you know, the PC.
[02:03:06]  Apple was made in a garage by a couple of buddies and a marketing guy.
[02:03:08]  Totally.
[02:03:09]  Exactly.
[02:03:10]  Let's grab one more.
[02:03:11]  We got a good one here before we go to the uncensored portion.
[02:03:13]  Skull Kid says the DOJ has stated they will enforce the SCOTUS ruling in every state with racially gerrymandered districts.
[02:03:19]  I believe that would be Harmite Dillon, right?
[02:03:20]  Yeah.
[02:03:21]  Oh, man.
[02:03:23]  Civil Rights Division.
[02:03:24]  So they're going to basically go to every state and say, we are making you do this.
[02:03:28]  I'm stoked.
[02:03:28]  I'm excited.
[02:03:29]  I'm really excited for when they finally let me go into the deep underground military bunker they're building at the White House and give me a tour.
[02:03:34]  It's going to be fun.
[02:03:35]  All right, everybody, smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
[02:03:38]  You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
[02:03:40]  Sir, would you like to shout anything out?
[02:03:42]  Yeah, great to be with you.
[02:03:43]  Thanks for having me, guys.
[02:03:45]  Follow me at RealTheoWold.
[02:03:47]  Theo, it's been really fun, very insightful.
[02:03:50]  Hope you come back again soon.
[02:03:51]  Love that.
[02:03:52]  You guys follow me on X and Instagram at Alad Eliyahu.
[02:03:55]  Thanks for tuning in, everybody.
[02:03:56]  What's up, Ian?
[02:03:57]  Just saying goodbye.
[02:03:58]  I'm at Ian Crossland.
[02:03:59]  You'll find me on the internet.
[02:04:00]  Go to X. Instagram, check out my covers, my musical covers on Instagram and YouTube, which I haven't been posting on lately, but I do sometimes.
[02:04:07]  I put a short up about how to wake people up from when they become an NPC.
[02:04:11]  You can snap them back because what's happening is the spirit is like a player that's playing the game of Earth, and you're a character in the game that it's moving around.
[02:04:21]  People, sometimes the spirits stray from other humans and they're just walking around without a spirit.
[02:04:25]  And when you look them in the eyes and acknowledge them and realize them, the spirit, like wave particle duality, snaps into position.
[02:04:33]  And now you have a spirited human in front of you, and they're a player character again.
[02:04:37]  You can wake people up.
[02:04:38]  So continue to do that.
[02:04:39]  Take care of yourself.
[02:04:40]  Carter Banks.
[02:04:41]  I'm going to go watch that short tonight.
[02:04:43]  And it sounds really, really good to become a PC instead of an NPC.
[02:04:50]  So, the tutorial on that.
[02:04:52]  You can follow me at Carter Banks on X and Instagram at Carter Banks Music, or no, Carter Banks Official.
[02:04:59]  Follow our record label at Trash House Records on YouTube and Tim.
[02:05:03]  We will see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL right now for the Uncensored Show.
[02:05:08]  Thanks for hanging out.

=== Great Lakes Water Crisis (10:48) ===

[02:06:07]  Over Sam Fran.
[02:06:08]  Sam Fran is cool.
[02:06:09]  Should we relocate to Charlevoix?
[02:06:12]  Where's that?
[02:06:13]  Look at this.
[02:06:13]  They got Round Lake and it's, you know, it connects.
[02:06:16]  Is that a lake?
[02:06:17]  Yeah, Lake Charlevoix and then it connects to Lake Michigan.
[02:06:20]  Oh, look at that.
[02:06:21]  Nah, too cold.
[02:06:23]  Too tippy for me up there.
[02:06:24]  Traverse City.
[02:06:25]  I hear good things.
[02:06:27]  It's beautiful up there.
[02:06:28]  Is it?
[02:06:28]  Yeah, it is.
[02:06:30]  I will say in McMorrow's ring, like the ring future, the war will be for this part of the real estate because that's a lot of.
[02:06:38]  Michigan?
[02:06:39]  That's a lot of drinkable water.
[02:06:41]  Oh, yeah.
[02:06:42]  I mean, the battle over the Great Lakes has been going on for a long time, and the only thing protecting them is Canada.
[02:06:47]  Yeah.
[02:06:48]  So basically, a bunch of other states want rights to the water, but because there's an international treaty, you can't.
[02:06:56]  If it was just U.S. territory, that water would be dry.
[02:06:59]  Those lakes would be gone.
[02:07:01]  Like, what was that?
[02:07:03]  That lake that they used to go vacation at?
[02:07:05]  The Salton Sea.
[02:07:06]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[02:07:07]  But that was because they broke.
[02:07:12]  They broke, what you call it, they breached between the sea and this flatbed, which flooded it.
[02:07:19]  And then they closed it.
[02:07:19]  So now it's slowly just evaporating.
[02:07:21]  Oh.
[02:07:22]  Yeah.
[02:07:23]  But there's a bunch of states that are arguing they should have a right to pump water from the freshwater out and use it in other areas.
[02:07:32]  There's the Great Lakes Coalition or something.
[02:07:33]  Compact.
[02:07:34]  Compact.
[02:07:35]  It includes Ontario.
[02:07:36]  Yeah.
[02:07:36]  So because there's an international treaty, when these other states, like Arizona specifically, file suit saying, we want to ship water from the Great Lakes, they go, Your lawsuit doesn't have standing because it extends to a foreign country, which now involves international relations.
[02:07:52]  So they can't sue over it.
[02:07:53]  So, who gets the water?
[02:07:54]  Is it just the border?
[02:07:55]  Only the states.
[02:07:56]  Only the states, and they have a compact with, yeah, it's like the Great Lakes Compact with Ontario.
[02:08:02]  So, the thing about Lake Michigan is that it is getting depleted, and they have to control how much water comes out of it so that it can refill.
[02:08:11]  If they consume too much, it will go away and never come back.
[02:08:13]  Where is it coming from?
[02:08:15]  I guess from rain?
[02:08:16]  Rain, largely.
[02:08:17]  It was old glaciers back in the day that melted.
[02:08:21]  Wow.
[02:08:21]  But from elevated areas, rainwater will collect and it will slowly replenish these lakes.
[02:08:27]  If we consume too much, it will never come back.
[02:08:29]  Somebody today, oh, it was Glenn Beck, said, We got to watch out.
[02:08:33]  We got to be really careful because upcoming could be a drought.
[02:08:35]  I don't know why he said it.
[02:08:36]  It was the first time I've heard that word drought, thought about a drought.
[02:08:39]  Well, California goes into droughts like all the time.
[02:08:40]  Yeah, definitely.
[02:08:41]  He was saying that a lot of like the shit that could really pop off could be because of a drought, which could lead to a famine.
[02:08:46]  Oh, easy.
[02:08:47]  So.
[02:08:47]  That was interesting.
[02:08:48]  Well, just lack of water.
[02:08:49]  And then the Great Lakes areas become fortified.
[02:08:52]  And I mean, imagine we have a massive drought on the West Coast.
[02:08:56]  Let's say the California drought extends, because the last drought we had extended in Nevada and Arizona as well.
[02:09:00]  Let's say it gets real bad.
[02:09:01]  And then they start saying, we want this water.
[02:09:04]  The Great Lakes states could secede for that reason.
[02:09:08]  Outside of anything political we're watching right now, in the event there's a water catastrophe, these states are going to create their own government.
[02:09:15]  And we're not far from a water catastrophe.
[02:09:18]  I mean, the fight over the Colorado River Compact involves like, Oh, yeah.
[02:09:22]  I mean, that's blowing up right now.
[02:09:25]  We could shut California down in two seconds by just locking out the Colorado River, which also goes to Austin, Texas.
[02:09:31]  What's the compact?
[02:09:32]  What the Colorado River is?
[02:09:33]  So, those Western states all determined how you portion rights to the Colorado River.
[02:09:39]  You know, some are at the headwaters, some are sort of down low.
[02:09:42]  Mexico is also a party to that because, you know, they get the runoff at the very end.
[02:09:47]  But California, historically, for years and years, has just been taking more than its share.
[02:09:52]  Both for ag and then massive Southern California development.
[02:09:55]  And their groundwater is running out because of the droughts.
[02:09:58]  The amount of water they need is more than is produced through precipitation over a long period of time.
[02:10:03]  So, you know, 10 years ago, there was a massive drought.
[02:10:05]  They sucked up an insane amount of groundwater.
[02:10:08]  It's not coming back.
[02:10:08]  There's something with their elevation where they can't, like, collect it easy on their own and it has to come back.
[02:10:13]  You want to know what's real crazy?
[02:10:15]  This right here used to be water.
[02:10:17]  Oh.
[02:10:17]  Yeah.
[02:10:18]  So that's where I grew up.
[02:10:20]  That's the largest agricultural producing region in the entire world.
[02:10:24]  It feeds about one fifth of the world.
[02:10:25]  It was one of the biggest lakes in the world.
[02:10:28]  What?
[02:10:28]  And it got drained accidentally.
[02:10:30]  What?
[02:10:30]  It got cut out to the ocean or something?
[02:10:32]  You can see it in the Bay Area.
[02:10:34]  Holy shit.
[02:10:34]  This whole thing right here used to be a lake.
[02:10:36]  When?
[02:10:38]  What is it?
[02:10:39]  What's the actual.
[02:10:40]  Is this like flood era, 13,000 years ago kind of thing?
[02:10:43]  Or was this more in modern history that this was.
[02:10:45]  Well, there was what they call like a 100 year flood that happened, I think, in the 18th century that there was a huge, huge lake that was there.
[02:10:53]  A long, long time ago.
[02:10:55]  Yeah.
[02:10:55]  And then the remnants of it was drained 600,000 years ago.
[02:10:58]  Oh, oh.
[02:10:59]  Yeah.
[02:10:59]  Okay.
[02:11:00]  And then the rich.
[02:11:01]  13,700 square mile basin full of water.
[02:11:05]  Making it rich, baby.
[02:11:06]  Yeah.
[02:11:06]  The big problem this year, though, is the snowpack all throughout the West.
[02:11:10]  Was nothing.
[02:11:11]  And that's in Utah, had a historically awful ski season because there was no snow, no snow in the Sierras, no snow in Nevada.
[02:11:18]  So the drought, you know, usually the thing that gets you through is the snowpack.
[02:11:23]  And then when it melts, you get.
[02:11:24]  There was no snow in Jackson Hole.
[02:11:27]  Yeah, none.
[02:11:27]  We went up there, we went skiing in February or whatever.
[02:11:31]  And it was dry everywhere.
[02:11:33]  And it was funny because we went there, my wife was doing training, special training program, Steep and Deep.
[02:11:41]  But there was only steep and no deep.
[02:11:43]  Wow.
[02:11:43]  And so they have no snow machines.
[02:11:45]  Yeah, no, none.
[02:11:46]  It was funny.
[02:11:47]  I went to a gas station and this guy, I was talking to the guy behind the counter and he said, the worst it's ever been in 60 years.
[02:11:55]  And when I went skiing with my wife up at the, I forgot what it's Jackson Hole, but the name of the mountain, I forgot what it is.
[02:12:02]  They don't have snow machines because why would they need to install them?
[02:12:05]  They get like 60 feet of snow or some insane amount of snow.
[02:12:08]  It's like having fireplaces in Puerto Rico or something.
[02:12:10]  Exactly.
[02:12:10]  Yeah.
[02:12:11]  So, this is going to be a nuclear bomb right now as the snow should be melting and refilling aquifers and streams and tributaries and all that stuff.
[02:12:17]  And it's not.
[02:12:18]  Oh, dude.
[02:12:19]  Yep.
[02:12:19]  Well, desalination, I keep thinking about it.
[02:12:22]  I know it's like a.
[02:12:22]  It doesn't work.
[02:12:23]  It doesn't work.
[02:12:23]  Let's put a bandaid on this flowing.
[02:12:25]  It doesn't work for a few reasons.
[02:12:28]  The first thing that happens is the brine that's produced from desalination.
[02:12:32]  So, they've got.
[02:12:33]  I actually have a mini doc on my channel.
[02:12:35]  You can watch it.
[02:12:36]  They have these massive walls of all these PVC tubes.
[02:12:40]  They high pressure force water through and the salt.
[02:12:43]  Gets left behind, but it's not just salt, it's brine.
[02:12:46]  They basically create two substances fresh water and brine.
[02:12:51]  So you have salt water and you get fresh water and brine.
[02:12:53]  The brine is then just exhausted into the ocean where it's heavy and goes under the waterbed, killing all of the base level organisms, which causes ecological collapse in the region.
[02:13:04]  Can it be used?
[02:13:05]  Brine?
[02:13:06]  Brine?
[02:13:06]  Yeah.
[02:13:07]  So one pitch was to drain the brine into basins so that it would evaporate and just produce salt sheets that could then sell the salt.
[02:13:15]  That's interesting.
[02:13:16]  For the time being, though, it doesn't produce enough and it kills way too much of the ocean life.
[02:13:23]  Doesn't it also heat the immediate ocean temperature?
[02:13:28]  Well, I don't know how much that affects algae, but I interviewed a guy and he's like, it's hot.
[02:13:33]  It comes out hot and that produces a problem.
[02:13:37]  The other issue is the main reason why big environmentalists don't want to advocate for it, despite the fact that desalinization, like the production of water, should be more environmentally friendly considering the groundwater pumping, is because if we set up desalination plants along the coast, there is a risk we could actually increase salinity of the ocean over a long enough period of time and artificially remove fresh water from the ocean,
[02:14:04]  creating an ecological imbalance which would kill off massive fisheries.
[02:14:08]  The idea just does not work.
[02:14:10]  Yeah, dumping it back in for sure is not the way.
[02:14:13]  That's like shitting back in the faucet.
[02:14:15]  What theoretically could work better is actually just creating irrigation channels, which result in deep inland evaporation and precipitation.
[02:14:24]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:14:25]  And then what do you guys think about silver iodide cloud seeding?
[02:14:28]  The issue is you're not creating more water that already exists.
[02:14:34]  So it's not the worst thing in the world.
[02:14:36]  The issue is how do we get water from one area to another?
[02:14:39]  California produces very little water.
[02:14:41]  So they're taking all the Colorado River water.
[02:14:43]  Which is causing problems.
[02:14:44]  Then, because of the population size, they have to drill into groundwater.
[02:14:49]  And Tulare County has actually been sinking because of how much groundwater they pump out, which is very, very, very, very bad.
[02:14:55]  It'll never come back.
[02:14:56]  It takes hundreds of thousands of years to bring the groundwater back.
[02:14:59]  Oh, man.
[02:15:00]  I know I have this fantasy about pumping fresh water into the earth.
[02:15:03]  Once we have enough that we can, we need to start pumping it back in.
[02:15:07]  And that will prevent earthquakes and stuff.
[02:15:08]  Take a look at the Sierra Desert.
[02:15:09]  It was once green.
[02:15:12]  So, what do you do, right?
[02:15:14]  So, you look at the Nile, you can see how, like, How they're trying to artificially create farmland and stuff.
[02:15:21]  There's no organic matter to create arable land because there's not been enough water.
[02:15:25]  And here's what people need to understand arable land is dead organisms.
[02:15:30]  Where we are in the United States with all of our farmland, you have thousands of years of life dying and creating a soil layer.
[02:15:38]  That allows more advanced, or however we don't describe it, more complex forms of life to grow in the corpses of bacteria and dead animals from 100,000 years ago.
[02:15:48]  So in places like the Sahara, You can't just put water and expect life to emerge in the short term.
[02:15:53]  That's why, even in these areas where you have like these reservoirs, there's nothing growing.
[02:15:57]  You can see in some areas where they are, it's really cool actually.
[02:16:00]  If you, let me try and find some of these farms they built right here.
[02:16:03]  They've artificially created these farms.
[02:16:05]  Oh, that's cool.
[02:16:06]  Right.
[02:16:06]  But you can see you need an organic base layer with the proper minerals to actually farm.
[02:16:12]  Oh, so do they just take away the sand and there's arable land on it?
[02:16:16]  No.
[02:16:17]  They have to bring the soil and all of it, the topsoil.
[02:16:20]  Because the sand has killed whatever was under it.
[02:16:22]  Oh, just rocks.
[02:16:23]  Some plants can grow in these areas.
[02:16:25]  There's desert plants for sure.
[02:16:26]  But arable land, like soil, is a composition of organic matter.
[02:16:32]  I thought this sand, I still think it came from the ocean during the flood.
[02:16:36]  A lot of it was striated.
[02:16:37]  You see it pushed up onto the side.
[02:16:39]  You see, I also want to stress this.
[02:16:40]  It would indicate there's dirt underneath it, but maybe it was just.
[02:16:43]  Look at this.
[02:16:44]  Alwig, right?
[02:16:45]  In the middle of the Sahara.
[02:16:46]  Ain't nobody there.
[02:16:47]  What the fuck are you talking about?
[02:16:49]  I zoom in on Alwig and there's none there, right?
[02:16:52]  Quat run.
[02:16:53]  There's actually people, look at this, farms.
[02:16:55]  Whoa.

=== Root Ideology of Fear (15:48) ===

[02:16:56]  Isn't that crazy?
[02:16:57]  Look at this, a city here, dude.
[02:16:58]  Could you imagine living right there, just in the middle of the Sahara in Libya?
[02:17:05]  No, but because of our immigration policies, a lot of people who live there can envision living here.
[02:17:10]  Yeah.
[02:17:10]  How many people from this town do you think are in America?
[02:17:12]  I think they're watching quite a number.
[02:17:15]  Too many.
[02:17:15]  They might be doing it right now.
[02:17:17]  Yeah.
[02:17:17]  They're tuning in.
[02:17:19]  Crazy, man.
[02:17:19]  Well, let's grab some callers and we'll start with stuck in Illinois.
[02:17:23]  Sorry to hear it.
[02:17:26]  Thanks for taking my call, Tim.
[02:17:28]  Me too, man.
[02:17:29]  I'm sort of around your area where you grew up.
[02:17:32]  I was from Park Forest, Illinois, which is a far south suburb.
[02:17:36]  And now I'm out in Batavia.
[02:17:38]  Oh, okay.
[02:17:38]  But I've driven through your neighborhood many times, man, at least your area.
[02:17:42]  Go to Villa Rosa.
[02:17:45]  Villa Rosa Pizzeria on Archer Avenue.
[02:17:48]  Nope.
[02:17:49]  Not familiar with that one.
[02:17:50]  I was even further south down on Route 30.
[02:17:53]  I'm just saying go there.
[02:17:55]  Oh, go there.
[02:17:56]  Yeah, you go there.
[02:17:56]  I'm on Carnivore, man.
[02:17:58]  Pizza's not in my cheap plan yet for.
[02:18:01]  Well, I'm smart.
[02:18:02]  You just eat the cheese and the pepperoni.
[02:18:04]  Yeah, that's what I do.
[02:18:07]  Damn, that sounds good.
[02:18:09]  What's going on, brother?
[02:18:10]  Yeah.
[02:18:11]  Well, this question's for Theo.
[02:18:12]  You know, I'm sure it hasn't improved much since you were in the Trump admin, but I've always been curious or I don't know, worked myself up mentally about it.
[02:18:25]  But how much of an impact for the Neocon never trumper contingent and then the.
[02:18:36]  I want to play a friendly, proper game of checkers while I watch the left play murder ball type of Republican.
[02:18:43]  Well, murder ball is good for paraplegics.
[02:18:46]  Yeah, it is.
[02:18:50]  It induces rage when I think about these types of people.
[02:18:53]  But how big of an impact are they on getting legislation and getting investigations and just getting things done, at least the MAGA type of agenda?
[02:19:08]  In DC.
[02:19:09]  I mean, like, we have such a slim majority in the House.
[02:19:14]  It just seems like these people can just sabotage any meaningful legislation since we have to have the votes.
[02:19:22]  So I just wanted to get your perspective on that.
[02:19:25]  Yeah.
[02:19:25]  I mean, I'm known for being pretty dark by disposition.
[02:19:30]  And I mean, I'll just tell you, like, in the 45 in the White House, there were like, I think, you know, a buddy of mine would say there was maybe at tops, like, 10 of us who were actually on board with the MAGA agenda who worked there.
[02:19:44]  So our ranks are not that great.
[02:19:47]  And then when you look at Congress, this is why I say it's like one of the darker takes on the Trump era we haven't done much to reconfigure the elected Republicans in Congress.
[02:20:00]  They're largely the same people who were there in the Bush years.
[02:20:04]  And sure, some of them have tried on new clothing and call themselves MAGA and they've got the red cap.
[02:20:09]  But most of them, their policy preferences are the same as they've always been.
[02:20:13]  And a good example of this is the Save America Act.
[02:20:16]  Like, it's just such an easy issue.
[02:20:19]  Prove your citizenship to vote.
[02:20:21]  Like, that's 80% popularity across the board in America.
[02:20:24]  And there's not any will, any will from Senate leadership to advance this piece of legislation.
[02:20:31]  And think of it they've got the richest dude in the world, they've got the president of the United States, they have 80% of the voting electorate saying, we need this, do it.
[02:20:41]  And what do they do?
[02:20:42]  They take a recess.
[02:20:43]  They say, ah, Senate procedure.
[02:20:45]  And just to give you like a little inside baseball here, one of the reasons why they haven't brought it forward is because they say, well, the Senate parliamentarian will strike it down if we try to attach it.
[02:20:55]  Who named the Senate parliamentarian?
[02:20:56]  Where did she come from?
[02:20:57]  She was appointed by Harry Reid, yeah, dude who's been dead for years, by a liberal Democrat from Nevada.
[02:21:04]  She was named to that job now 15 years ago, 16 years ago, and she's still in the gig.
[02:21:08]  If Republicans were serious, her ass would have been fired a long time ago.
[02:21:12]  So it just shows you excuses.
[02:21:14]  Excuses.
[02:21:15]  Very little has changed with the elected Republicans in Congress.
[02:21:19]  And that's one of the reasons why, as you kind of noted, and as Tim said, you know, last night, Hakeem Jeffries is playing for keeps.
[02:21:25]  He said it today.
[02:21:26]  Everything is on the table.
[02:21:27]  Everything.
[02:21:28]  And you can read into that what you want.
[02:21:30]  If he said everything, that means murder.
[02:21:33]  He said, it means rape.
[02:21:34]  He said, everything is on the table.
[02:21:36]  And they're playing for keeps.
[02:21:38]  And Republicans say, well, we got to follow procedure.
[02:21:40]  They say, slow down there, Democrats.
[02:21:44]  I mean, do you get a sense?
[02:21:45]  I don't know how much you're still plugged in, but do you think, I can't imagine much has changed.
[02:21:50]  And as bad as the House is, I mean, the Senate is like the ultimate scummery from both sides.
[02:21:56]  But I guess this sort of just underscores how much we can't be.
[02:22:03]  Black pill, no matter how bad and feckless the Republicans are, especially in the primaries, we've got to get better candidates in.
[02:22:13]  I guess if Elon could bankroll some good Republicans for 2028 so we can get these guys out, I mean, it seems to be the only way forward.
[02:22:22]  It's not like the Democrat Party is going to ever change.
[02:22:26]  No, I agree.
[02:22:28]  Yeah, I think what Tim was saying earlier is exactly right.
[02:22:31]  Democrats are just going to move further and further and further left.
[02:22:34]  They are going to.
[02:22:34]  The social.
[02:22:35]  Social justice Democrats is just a polite way of saying basically Maoists.
[02:22:39]  So, yeah.
[02:22:41]  And so, and one way of looking at this, just think about this conceptually would Connecticut or Hawaii ever elect a moderate Democrat?
[02:22:49]  Like, no.
[02:22:50]  But you look at some of the reddest states in America and they elect moderate, sort of rhino, cuck, use whatever pejorative you want to use Republicans who, you know, want to do bipartisan deals and are there just to hang out and be a U.S. senator.
[02:23:07]  The leftist states in the union are all about maximizing ideological outcomes.
[02:23:13]  The rightist states in the union basically elect people who are just there to be in the club.
[02:23:18]  And I think that asymmetry is why you see the Save America Act just die on the vine.
[02:23:26]  Cool.
[02:23:27]  Thank you guys for taking my call.
[02:23:28]  And I'll pass on thanks for my mom.
[02:23:31]  She lives with me for medical reasons, but she and I watch the show.
[02:23:35]  So you got a 73 year old grandma, Tim.
[02:23:37]  Right on.
[02:23:39]  Thanks for watching.
[02:23:40]  And thanks for calling in, brother.
[02:23:42]  Thanks, guys.
[02:23:44]  Take care.
[02:23:45]  Next up, we've got Warlock at Mentomori.
[02:23:52]  That is correct, Tim.
[02:23:53]  And I just want to say thank you guys for taking my call.
[02:23:56]  I've been a longtime fan, and I hope to stir up some controversy with my question.
[02:24:02]  All right.
[02:24:04]  So, this is a question for the whole panel, and it has to do with the moral responsibility we have as a society.
[02:24:13]  When do we step forward?
[02:24:14]  In to help people who are on a negative trail where they're seeking to harm themselves and it leads to an eventual end that isn't preferable.
[02:24:27]  You mean, like, do we stop someone from committing suicide?
[02:24:31]  So, not directly suicide.
[02:24:35]  I would say that is one of the cases where we should step in.
[02:24:39]  More people going towards ideology that is ruining their brains.
[02:24:44]  Kind of rotting them from the inside out, and it only has one conclusion where they can't be saved.
[02:24:51]  There's no easy way to that line.
[02:24:53]  So, I think it's a sliding scale for who you are saying we as.
[02:24:57]  So, if this is your friend, then you get involved a lot sooner than if this was just some acquaintance of yours, different from if it's your parents, different if it's your siblings.
[02:25:07]  If you're asking from the standpoint of the government, when should the government get involved?
[02:25:11]  They'd have to be pretty far down the rabbit hole, if at all, that I think the government should get involved in this, uh, something like this.
[02:25:17]  I think this isn't a problem for.
[02:25:18]  The government in particular, I think it's a problem for civil society to deal with.
[02:25:22]  And we always look to government, I think, to solve some of these issues, but we can do them in civil society through different institutions that exist beyond the government, like churches and different community groups.
[02:25:34]  So I think, you know, on the personal level, it depends on how close you are with the person.
[02:25:39]  I mean, the truth is, we just need a strong moral society to say we're going to do it.
[02:25:44]  The consequences be damned.
[02:25:45]  Like, if there's some dude who says, I'm going to chop my hand off because I've got body dysmorphic disorder, you stop him.
[02:25:51]  And when people are like, we're going to trans the kids, you stop him.
[02:25:54]  The problem is.
[02:25:56]  I think people who have strong virtues tend to be less willing to engage in conflict than people without them.
[02:26:05]  So when you look historically at every single country, they always just degrade until they collapse completely into, you know, Sodom and Gomorrah esque degeneracy.
[02:26:15]  And then from the ashes, the strong rise up.
[02:26:18]  I'm thinking about the transing stuff.
[02:26:20]  No conservative.
[02:26:21]  Actually, abortion is a really great example.
[02:26:24]  Let me ask you are you pro life?
[02:26:26]  Yeah.
[02:26:26]  Okay.
[02:26:27]  Do you think abortion is murder?
[02:26:28]  Yeah.
[02:26:29]  If you saw, if you were walking down the street and you saw a woman on a bed pregnant and a doctor had the forceps and he said, I am now going to kill the baby, would you shoot the doctor?
[02:26:44]  Well, I, you know, the taking, that's a classic sort of moral kind of, Bernard Williams, the classic moral ethicist, he lays out that scenario.
[02:26:54]  I think what you have to do is you body rush the doctors and you use something short of murder.
[02:26:59]  To prevent the murder of another innocent.
[02:27:02]  But see, the problem with this is this is the justification.
[02:27:08]  I'll put it this way.
[02:27:09]  If you saw a man standing over a woman holding a knife and he said, Now you die, would you shoot him?
[02:27:16]  No question.
[02:27:17]  You'd shoot him.
[02:27:17]  I'd shoot him.
[02:27:18]  But if the doctor says, And now you die, and he goes to put the forceps in, you say, I would tackle him?
[02:27:23]  There's a clear moral distinction between these two acts.
[02:27:25]  And for that reason, conservatives are unwilling to.
[02:27:30]  Despite agreeing that abortion is murder because taking of an innocent life, they're unwilling to take the same action in different circumstances.
[02:27:38]  That alone, I think, is indicative of integrity.
[02:27:41]  It's indicative of an attempt to protect, but it also means that the communists.
[02:27:48]  Yeah.
[02:27:48]  They're bloodthirsty.
[02:27:51]  They're under no illusions.
[02:27:53]  They will just kill you if you're in the way.
[02:27:55]  Yeah.
[02:27:55]  And look, this is your reference to Spain a moment ago.
[02:27:58]  Like, this is the difference between Franco and a lot of.
[02:28:02]  The people we have now, which is Franco saw the unrepentant slaughter of innocent nuns, of the clergy, of innocent monarchists, and said, Yeah, we'll bring the same fight to them until they quit.
[02:28:16]  And they called him a fascist.
[02:28:17]  They called him evil.
[02:28:18]  And then when he died, the country just reverted to peace and democracy.
[02:28:23]  Under a king, under a monarch, is that what it is?
[02:28:25]  It was a military dictatorship.
[02:28:26]  He said the communists are taking over.
[02:28:27]  So he got a bunch of troops, got his buddies together.
[02:28:29]  They went, had a civil war, won it.
[02:28:32]  And then said, We're a dictatorship now, but built the structure so that it could convert into a republic, a democratic, republican kind of system.
[02:28:41]  And then when he died, it just sort of became that.
[02:28:44]  There was no economic collapse, no great mass murder.
[02:28:46]  He just went, And now I die.
[02:28:48]  And they said, Okay, shall we vote?
[02:28:50]  To answer your question a little bit, too, about ideologies, if you can, how to help people or when you should step in when someone has a poisoned ideology, that takes me to the root ideology of fear.
[02:29:01]  When you know someone that's living in fear, the antidote isn't to make them stop.
[02:29:07]  Because you can't make someone stop being afraid.
[02:29:09]  You can make them brave by being brave.
[02:29:12]  You make them smoke the whole carton.
[02:29:14]  So if someone's like, I'm trans, be like, okay, we're doing it right now.
[02:29:17]  I'm going to chop off your dick and we're going to get it done.
[02:29:19]  And they're like, wait, stop.
[02:29:20]  No.
[02:29:20]  Like, now you see that.
[02:29:22]  Maybe, but making crazier people crazier might not.
[02:29:26]  I don't know.
[02:29:26]  It might work in some circumstances.
[02:29:27]  Well, the Democrats.
[02:29:28]  In a lot of circumstances, just yelling, stop being afraid, isn't the way to make someone brave, you know?
[02:29:32]  So you have to, like, be the change.
[02:29:35]  Let me ask you guys a question.
[02:29:36]  All right.
[02:29:38]  Every single human is, by an act of God, placed before two buttons a red button and a blue button.
[02:29:46]  If at least 50% of people press the blue button, everyone lives.
[02:29:52]  If more than 50% press the red button, anyone who presses the blue button will die.
[02:29:59]  Which button do you press?
[02:30:00]  The blue button.
[02:30:01]  Why?
[02:30:02]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[02:30:03]  My life's already forfeit.
[02:30:04]  The red button.
[02:30:05]  Okay, what do you think?
[02:30:06]  Red or blue?
[02:30:07]  Blue.
[02:30:07]  What do you think?
[02:30:08]  Blue.
[02:30:09]  I used to think blue, now I think red.
[02:30:10]  My initial gut reaction was blue.
[02:30:12]  And then I thought about it and I said, ah, red is actually the answer.
[02:30:16]  What's the downside of red if you don't get 50%?
[02:30:19]  If you press, no.
[02:30:20]  So there's no bad thing to happen to red.
[02:30:23]  Well, you're a murderer.
[02:30:23]  Well, then everyone would choose red.
[02:30:25]  There's no risk involved.
[02:30:26]  No, some people would choose blue.
[02:30:27]  You guys all chose blue.
[02:30:28]  Yeah, but I didn't recognize there was no down.
[02:30:30]  I thought you died if you picked red.
[02:30:31]  The blue vaulting.
[02:30:32]  Oh, only 50% of people survive.
[02:30:36]  If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone lives.
[02:30:40]  And what's the downside to blue?
[02:30:42]  That if you press the blue button, but 50% or more press the red button, you will die.
[02:30:47]  Yeah.
[02:30:48]  So the moral dilemma is will you be willing to risk your own life to save other people who are also risking their life to save other people?
[02:30:56]  100%.
[02:30:57]  Here's the problem with that.
[02:30:58]  See, I first said blue, but the presumption you're making is that Sudanese and Somalis are going to vote to protect you.
[02:31:04]  Yeah, which I know they're not, but it's still, it's so then the population.
[02:31:08]  You can reframe the question in a way in which everybody immediately chooses the red button.
[02:31:13]  So let me ask you another question.
[02:31:15]  Every single human is standing above, around a gigantic planet sized meat grinder.
[02:31:23]  If you jump in, you will die.
[02:31:25]  But if at least half of all of humans jump in, It will jam the machine and everyone will be unharmed.
[02:31:33]  Do you jump in the meat grinder?
[02:31:35]  Exactly.
[02:31:35]  What's the downside of not jumping in?
[02:31:36]  There's none.
[02:31:37]  Everyone who jumps in dies.
[02:31:39]  Yeah, but why would anyone jump in then?
[02:31:40]  You have to say, like, no one jumps in, everyone dies.
[02:31:42]  The moral dilemma with the blue button separates people from what they should fear, what the consequence is.
[02:31:48]  What is it?
[02:31:48]  The presumption of death, they say, well, I don't see the death.
[02:31:51]  If you say there's a room full of lions that haven't eaten in three days and they're hungry, you can choose to go in the room.
[02:31:59]  If at least 50% of humans go in the room, the lions all get scared and run away.
[02:32:03]  It's like, well, don't go in the fucking room with the lions.
[02:32:06]  And here's the point the point is this should it not be that someone stupid enough to go into the room with lions should die?
[02:32:13]  So, Tim, if I may, that actually cuts a lot to my point because I used to be a couple years ago very much like we have to save everyone.
[02:32:23]  And as I've gotten a little bit older, even though I'm young and dumb at just 24, I've come to the conclusion that there are just those so determined to rot in sickness and they want to burn everything around them that.
[02:32:38]  It is not our job to save them because part of being saved is you have to choose to be saved.

=== Humanity Survival Instinct (07:09) ===

[02:32:44]  I agree.
[02:32:44]  I think society's purpose and government's purpose is to protect the majority and commit the best good to the majority as possible.
[02:32:56]  And I would say a lot, I'm far more in favor of society coming together and getting stronger bonds than government.
[02:33:04]  I don't want a strong government with a lot of authority on everyone.
[02:33:09]  I would rather we hold each other accountable.
[02:33:12]  Then look to a machine that we then hold accountable to hold us accountable and gives us stuff.
[02:33:19]  It means that we're relying on it.
[02:33:21]  We should be reliant on each other and ourselves instead.
[02:33:24]  One of the problems that we have as humanity, and it may actually be a function of evolution, humanity, and adaptation, is that let's say you're in a ship and you're sailing in the seven seas and you crash on an island and there's 10 people.
[02:33:39]  You go, okay, we're crashed.
[02:33:41]  No one knows we're here.
[02:33:43]  We better start getting to work.
[02:33:44]  We need shelter, we need food, and we need water.
[02:33:46]  And one guy lays back and says, let me know when you find it.
[02:33:49]  It doesn't work.
[02:33:50]  Then one guy shows up and says, I got fish.
[02:33:53]  One guy shows up and says, I was able to fill up some buckets full of water.
[02:33:56]  And another guy goes, While you were all away, the rest of us built this great shelter.
[02:34:00]  Then the guy was sitting back doing nothing, walks over and says, Gimme.
[02:34:03]  No.
[02:34:04]  What happens if you give me that guy?
[02:34:06]  If you say, Okay.
[02:34:08]  Tomorrow.
[02:34:08]  If you give him to it once, they'll continue asking and they'll be a parasite.
[02:34:13]  Tomorrow, they'll go back to laying down and doing nothing.
[02:34:17]  And then everyone's working extra, saying, We don't want him to die, though.
[02:34:21]  You do that for 50 years, and that guy has kids.
[02:34:25]  Gets married, and now his kids are all sitting around going, gimme, gimme.
[02:34:29]  This is what we have done in America, and we're reaching the inflection point where we have more gimmies than givers.
[02:34:36]  This means eventually people are going to say, I'm sorry, but I have nothing left to give.
[02:34:41]  And then what happens?
[02:34:42]  The people go, gimme, scream, stab, murder, and steal.
[02:34:47]  So actually, the people who want to jump in the meat grinder, let them do it.
[02:34:52]  The people smart enough not to.
[02:34:54]  The presumption with the red and blue moral dilemma question.
[02:34:56]  That I had when I said blue was I imagined in my mind me and all my friends together pressing a button.
[02:35:02]  And then I saw a post where someone said, Why would Somalis protect me?
[02:35:06]  And I went, Right.
[02:35:08]  We are not our community.
[02:35:09]  I must trust that my community is smart enough not to jump in a meat grinder.
[02:35:12]  I think the blue button people are thinking more about the killing people, and the red button people are thinking more of surviving.
[02:35:20]  Yeah, the red button in that theory or in that postulation didn't have any downside.
[02:35:25]  If everyone presses the red button, no one dies.
[02:35:27]  So the question is, Why did you jump in a meat grinder in the first place?
[02:35:30]  This is two metaphors.
[02:35:32]  If you're the blue button guy, you're thinking that by hitting the red, I might be killing other people.
[02:35:38]  Right.
[02:35:39]  Indeed.
[02:35:39]  That's what you think like.
[02:35:40]  That's the thought.
[02:35:41]  So the issue is someone drew a picture in Paintbrush where it's a bunch of blue people standing under a hydraulic press, and the red people are going, Guys, get out from underneath that.
[02:35:54]  And they go, You've killed us.
[02:35:56]  It's like you chose to press the meat grinder button.
[02:35:58]  Don't look at me.
[02:36:00]  Well, you guys are the meat grinder people.
[02:36:01]  So, I mean, my first thought was when that guy was like, Gimme, I was like, We all go walk to the beach to go work, and we're like, we know where our next meal is now.
[02:36:10]  He's sitting under the tree.
[02:36:11]  We're going to go kill him and eat him.
[02:36:13]  We're not going to give him anything.
[02:36:14]  He's not going to work.
[02:36:14]  He's going to die, and we're going to eat him.
[02:36:16]  So that's my take on the fat, lazy guy.
[02:36:19]  But I'm not saying in society we need to slaughter and eat all the useless eaters.
[02:36:23]  No, but at a certain point, you can't keep subsidizing people that only consume.
[02:36:27]  Yeah, Yuri, what not Yuri Bezeman off, but the useless eater thing.
[02:36:30]  What were you going to say?
[02:36:31]  I was going to say on the island situation, I don't know if you guys saw this riff recently about.
[02:36:36]  You know, Anthony Burgess, who wrote, or sorry, William Holding, who wrote Lord of the Flies, it was based on an account of young British boys who ended up on an island.
[02:36:46]  And what those boys actually did was exactly what Tim just described.
[02:36:50]  They like assigned tasks, they worked together collaboratively.
[02:36:53]  And that's a mark, really, of Western civilization.
[02:36:56]  Like that people come together to collaborate.
[02:36:59]  There's a moral ecology, there's like a virtue that's hardwired into the way we've been raised.
[02:37:04]  And it comes from winter.
[02:37:05]  The evolutionary, psychological, and biological theory is that.
[02:37:09]  The people who moved further north who chose not to work died in the winter.
[02:37:14]  The people who moved further north who worked industriously all year round survived, had kids, and created cities based on the ethos and genetic structure of I must work 24 7.
[02:37:26]  However, the people who came from areas where there was abundant year round food and didn't have to work sat around, they slept, they don't have to do anything.
[02:37:34]  You take these two different groups of people and put them in the same place, and you're going to have one group of people that works really hard and the other side saying, Gimme.
[02:37:42]  Yeah.
[02:37:42]  I think winter exacerbates the need for resources, which is really where that.
[02:37:48]  That human instinct comes from.
[02:37:50]  We group up, we collaborate to survive as a species because we're 10 times stronger together than we are alone.
[02:37:56]  You know, two people are 10 times more effective than one guy by himself.
[02:38:00]  Funny enough, they're more than two times more effective.
[02:38:03]  So the winter can do that, can cause that desperation and force people to collaborate.
[02:38:09]  But in the Mediterranean, when there would be famines and things, you'd see a similar necessity break out.
[02:38:14]  And then, like, getting stranded on an island, you might see that same.
[02:38:17]  This is why.
[02:38:19]  Did you notice that every non white group of people has what's called time?
[02:38:23]  Black time, Hispanic time.
[02:38:25]  Yeah.
[02:38:26]  Hawaiian time.
[02:38:27]  Yep.
[02:38:28]  Because people who, white people, are people who have settled largely in wintery regions.
[02:38:35]  And then I go to Miami and they go, it's Miami time.
[02:38:37]  What does that mean?
[02:38:38]  It means everyone's late and no one works.
[02:38:40]  And I'm like, fuck that.
[02:38:41]  I don't want to live here anymore.
[02:38:41]  That's one of the reasons I don't want to be there.
[02:38:44]  And then you have what's called black time.
[02:38:46]  And I learned this from friends of mine in Chicago who are black.
[02:38:49]  And I was like, what's black time mean?
[02:38:50]  And they're like, you say 11 o'clock, we show up at noon.
[02:38:53]  And I'm like, why?
[02:38:54]  And they're like, yeah.
[02:38:55]  Or in the Middle East, it's really calm.
[02:38:58]  If you're not on time, you just say, it's what Allah willed.
[02:39:00]  I didn't get here.
[02:39:02]  Do they really do that?
[02:39:03]  They don't say that.
[02:39:03]  They say, mashallah.
[02:39:05]  Yeah.
[02:39:06]  Yeah.
[02:39:07]  Something like that.
[02:39:07]  Really?
[02:39:08]  I don't know anything about it.
[02:39:09]  How could they ever get anything done?
[02:39:10]  Whereas the Europeans live by themselves.
[02:39:11]  But that's exactly it, right?
[02:39:13]  I mean, it's if God wills it, that's how they get things done.
[02:39:17]  Caller, was there anything else you wanted to add or call a shout out?
[02:39:21]  I just want to go through and say, I am very appreciative of the community you guys have built.
[02:39:26]  It has provided a lot of hope.
[02:39:28]  And I do think we're on the right track as a society to go through towards a brighter future.
[02:39:35]  And like you've said before, Tim, the night is darkest before the dawn.
[02:39:41]  So I think it's important that we keep hope, but we also stay aware of what's going on so that we can work on building a better future.
[02:39:50]  But I also think we need to be prepared as a society to cut off.