Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Admin Preparing INVASION OF CUBA, Say Iran War ALMOST OVER| Timcast IRL
Aired: 2026-04-15
Duration: 02:27:29


=== Toxic Chemicals and Bearskin Hoodies (03:00) ===

[00:02:44]  The Trump admin is preparing for an invasion of Cuba because we just can't get enough.
[00:02:49]  Trump did an interview.
[00:02:50]  He said the war in Iran is almost over.
[00:02:52]  This morning he said the strait is open and we're making China very, very happy.
[00:02:57]  And I honestly, I just, I don't know what to believe at this point.
[00:03:00]  I have whiplash from Trump saying it's open, it's closed, the war is over, the ceasefire.
[00:03:04]  And we just have no idea.
[00:03:05]  I actually think Trump's plan at this point is to just keep going back and forth so everybody spins around, gets real dizzy, and has no idea what's happening.
[00:03:12]  Now, in the meantime, apparently there are concerns that Donald Trump wants an invasion of Cuba.
[00:03:17]  So, his administration has actually been drafting up plans for this invasion, which we all know the American people are hungry for.
[00:03:24]  We've wanted Cuba back forever.
[00:03:25]  And actually, I think most people don't care all that much.
[00:03:28]  We'll talk about that.
[00:03:28]  And then, this may be the bigger story Tom Steyer, who's now the front runner for governor in California after Eric Swallow had to drop out because he was accused of drugging and raping several women.
[00:03:37]  Holy crap.
[00:03:38]  Well, at least drugging and raping one of them.
[00:03:41]  The rest of them, I don't know what happened, but apparently they were drunk too.
[00:03:44]  So, anyway, Tom Steyer says he's going to put ICE in jail.
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=== Trump's Cuba Invasion Plans (12:29) ===

[00:05:44]  And he's like, that's not true.
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[00:05:52]  And he's like, do you want me to lie to you?
[00:05:53]  And I was like, yes, George, lie.
[00:05:55]  And then he was like, I won't do that.
[00:05:56]  I said, okay, well, tell me what you think.
[00:05:58]  And he said, that's really good coffee.
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[00:06:14]  Joining us to talk about this and everything else is Mark Moran.
[00:06:17]  Yes, sir.
[00:06:18]  Thank you for having me.
[00:06:19]  Who are you?
[00:06:19]  What do you do?
[00:06:20]  I'm a Renaissance man.
[00:06:21]  I'm running for United States Senate in Virginia.
[00:06:25]  I was running previously as a Democrat.
[00:06:27]  Now I'm running as an Independent.
[00:06:29]  Interesting.
[00:06:30]  I think we'll have to discuss how that happened.
[00:06:32]  I think so.
[00:06:33]  Before the show, I said, tell me, you know, what are your policies?
[00:06:36]  And it was all basically like liberal leaning policy, but they kicked you out, I guess.
[00:06:42]  I wasn't liberal enough.
[00:06:44]  Not liberal enough.
[00:06:44]  We're going to have to talk about that.
[00:06:45]  It'll be interesting.
[00:06:46]  So thanks for hanging.
[00:06:46]  That's going to be fun.
[00:06:47]  A lot, of course, is hanging out.
[00:06:49]  What's up?
[00:06:49]  Good evening, everybody.
[00:06:50]  We got Tate Brown holding it down.
[00:06:52]  What is going on, Patriots?
[00:06:53]  Happy New Year.
[00:06:53]  And of course, Carter Banks pressing the buttons.
[00:06:55]  What's up, everyone?
[00:06:56]  Let's get into it.
[00:06:57]  Here's the story from The Independent.
[00:06:59]  Oh, boy.
[00:06:59]  Pentagon ramps up plans for a military operation in Cuba.
[00:07:03]  In case Trump orders direct intervention, report.
[00:07:07]  I love how they've caveated this to like this headline went through like five lawyers because the headline's actually simple.
[00:07:15]  Trump admin prepares for invasion of Cuba.
[00:07:19]  That's it.
[00:07:20]  Okay.
[00:07:20]  The story is Trump has discussed he may want to take military action.
[00:07:25]  So they have begun drafting plans for that military action.
[00:07:29]  But when they ramp up plans, okay, why are you saying it that way?
[00:07:33]  In case Trump orders, And they call it a military operation.
[00:07:36]  Their lawyers are like, we got to be really careful about this one.
[00:07:39]  They say two sources familiar with the matter told USA Today on Wednesday that contingency plans are being developed in case Trump orders an intervention on the island nation.
[00:07:48]  Sources also told Zetio earlier this week that the Pentagon was given a direct straight from the White House to prepare for possible military action in the Caribbean.
[00:07:57]  I'm going to tell you what this is right now, my friends.
[00:07:59]  This is what we call a trial balloon in the media.
[00:08:02]  These individuals who are leaking this story are not leaking this story.
[00:08:06]  In all likelihood, these sources were directed to contact a journalist and float the possibility of a military intervention in Cuba for two reasons.
[00:08:14]  One, to gauge the public response to the story.
[00:08:17]  And two, prepare the public for the eventuality.
[00:08:21]  If Trump were to launch an invasion right now, it would shock the public, markets would go crazy.
[00:08:28]  I would argue that maybe a month or two, they're planning on a full invasion, military operation into Cuba.
[00:08:37]  To be fair, things could change.
[00:08:38]  Let's say the Cuban government sees this and they say, guys, you're welcome to come in.
[00:08:42]  We don't want to fight.
[00:08:43]  Let's work a deal.
[00:08:44]  That might happen too.
[00:08:45]  So that's a potential other reason.
[00:08:46]  Trump wants this to be seen by Cuba.
[00:08:48]  So they panic and then call DC and say, what do you want?
[00:08:52]  We don't want this.
[00:08:53]  But I would argue the highest probability is they want the public to be aware of the possibility.
[00:08:59]  That way, when it does happen, they go, ah, he finally did it, as opposed to being caught off guard.
[00:09:03]  Yeah.
[00:09:04]  I mean, I think every time you see a leak out of the Pentagon with the sort of revamped security.
[00:09:10]  Obviously, like, you know, they kicked out of the old legacy media, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:09:13]  Any leak that comes out of the Pentagon is calculated.
[00:09:16]  At least that's my estimation.
[00:09:17]  In addition to that, it's kind of inevitable.
[00:09:19]  I think Cuba kind of feels inevitable if you just track like how the Trump administration has conducted or found it so far.
[00:09:23]  And look at the location.
[00:09:24]  It's right there.
[00:09:25]  I mean, hello, it's screaming out Hard Rock Cafe should be right there.
[00:09:28]  Well, and where has a great Cuban American population?
[00:09:31]  There's no Hard Rock Havana?
[00:09:33]  There's not a Hard Rock Havana.
[00:09:34]  It saddens me.
[00:09:34]  In addition to that, you have a secretary.
[00:09:36]  I mean, if you're talking about like score settling, the Secretary of State's literally a Cuban, his parents are Cuban records.
[00:09:43]  Rubio shows up and he just starts speaking Spanish, telling everybody he's in charge now.
[00:09:46]  He's going to do that.
[00:09:47]  And then he's going to wear like old classical Caribbean dictator garb.
[00:09:50]  It's going to be really, quite frankly, driving 1950s Ford.
[00:09:52]  It's going to be a beautiful thing.
[00:09:54]  And in addition to that, I mean, the Florida mafia kind of litters the Trump administration.
[00:09:58]  I mean, Susie Wiles is chief of staff.
[00:09:59]  She's Florida.
[00:10:00]  She's tapped the Florida network quite heavily for Trump administration staffing.
[00:10:03]  And in Florida, to play Florida politics, you got to please the Cuban American population there.
[00:10:07]  And obviously, this is a generational score settling that's probably going to go down.
[00:10:12]  So, I don't know.
[00:10:13]  I mean, the fact that they think it's like some off the wall, hidden, esoteric reporting, the fact that, yeah, Trump is looking at Cuba, it's like the most inevitable thing ever.
[00:10:21]  Here's the thing, though.
[00:10:22]  I bet the Trump admin could just go to Miami and then Trump himself would go to Miami, hold a rally, and just be like, How many Cubans here want to take back your country?
[00:10:31]  Here's a crate full of guns.
[00:10:32]  Grab one.
[00:10:33]  The boat's across the street.
[00:10:35]  And then they all just grab the guns and we're like, Let's go.
[00:10:37]  And then They just invade their own country back.
[00:10:40]  Montoon boats heading across.
[00:10:42]  And who doesn't?
[00:10:43]  The people yearn for manifest destiny.
[00:10:44]  It's true.
[00:10:45]  That's true.
[00:10:46]  Yeah.
[00:10:47]  And honestly, out of all of our escapades so far, Cuba would be the easiest one.
[00:10:50]  I mean, Cuba's military is really pathetic.
[00:10:52]  They're not heavily entrenched.
[00:10:54]  It would be really difficult for any arms funneling to occur.
[00:10:57]  Like, it just would be a layup, quite frankly.
[00:10:59]  I'm kind of surprised, actually, they didn't go for Cuba first and then Iran.
[00:11:03]  I guess, you know, the priority was limiting, you know, boxing in China.
[00:11:06]  Well, you have to go after Venezuela first to cut off the.
[00:11:09]  Oil supply and then the cash flow to Cuba.
[00:11:12]  Then you can go into Cuba under the narrative of liberation, right?
[00:11:15]  And then annex them to Florida and two new GOP seats.
[00:11:18]  Well, I don't know that Trump actually needs military intervention.
[00:11:21]  They're on the verge of collapse as it is.
[00:11:23]  Yeah.
[00:11:23]  All he would really need to do is pick up the scraps.
[00:11:25]  After the government collapses, the power's been out for a long time, the people revolt, he just walks in.
[00:11:30]  Yeah.
[00:11:30]  I feel as though the president is, I suspect that he's emboldened because he's had so many military successes in the past year or so, starting in Venezuela.
[00:11:39]  And now I think he thinks what's going on in Iran is going relatively well if you consider the.
[00:11:44]  The military cost.
[00:11:45]  Obviously, we've had, I think, roughly 20 or so announced deaths of service members.
[00:11:50]  Each one is obviously a tragedy, but considering what Middle Eastern wars used to be, the president likes to do it fast and quick, in and out within, I think, what he did today.
[00:11:59]  It's a under budget and ahead of schedule.
[00:12:01]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:12:02]  They were back in Miami by the evening for partying.
[00:12:04]  It was that quick.
[00:12:05]  So I think, and obviously what you said, Tate, the administration is ridden with Floridians.
[00:12:10]  Marco Rubio, the current secretary of state, has had this on his list for some time.
[00:12:15]  You also have to consider how one of Cuba's main allies, again, was Venezuela and now also Russia, which is still bogged down in Ukraine.
[00:12:22]  I know we like to forget, I think they are, what, just going on six years now, this Ukraine war.
[00:12:26]  Yeah, five years.
[00:12:27]  But that's really bogging down Russia in Ukraine.
[00:12:30]  And they've been one of their main supporters.
[00:12:31]  They've been sending oil as well.
[00:12:32]  There was one unsanctioned vessel, oil tanker, that was allowed to be brought in Cuba.
[00:12:38]  But Cuba's still being strangled by an embargo that we have on them.
[00:12:42]  They're next on the list, I suspect.
[00:12:43]  This is interesting.
[00:12:45]  If Cuba were a U.S. state, it would be around the 34th or 35th largest state.
[00:12:50]  Yeah.
[00:12:51]  So not the biggest, right there in the middle, but plenty large.
[00:12:54]  I mean, it's a big landmass.
[00:12:56]  And I think they have what?
[00:12:57]  Sugarcane?
[00:12:58]  I do think it's also worth considering, though, the Strait of Hormuz is a very narrow waterway and it's relatively easy to block it with just some jihadist on a boat.
[00:13:07]  So if, I don't know, if there were some Cuban revolutionaries who decided to try to close the Gulf of Mexico, I hope the administration, what?
[00:13:15]  Modern day Shea Guevara.
[00:13:17]  Yeah, I mean, all it takes is, again, a guy in a speedboat with a shoulder propelled missile to shut down the.
[00:13:24]  Can we just pause real quick and take a look at all the pieces on the chessboard?
[00:13:26]  And now we start to see all come into the big picture.
[00:13:29]  We talked about it last night, of course.
[00:13:30]  The military strikes in the Caribbean on these cartel boats precipitated the strikes on Venezuela, the surrounding of Cuba.
[00:13:38]  It looks like everything they've been doing since they got in has been in preparation for large scale war targeting all of our adversaries.
[00:13:47]  I don't think the Iran war is an isolated incident.
[00:13:50]  Obviously, Trump moved on Venezuela first for a reason.
[00:13:52]  I don't think the shuttering of the Strait of Hormuz is an accident.
[00:13:55]  I think all of this is part of the deep state.
[00:13:57]  Well, I shouldn't say the deep state, but the current intelligence agencies and the U.S. government's plan.
[00:14:02]  I think Trump is just the guy who goes on TV and says wacky things to keep people spinning in circles.
[00:14:06]  I think it would be fair to categorize, and I don't think it's like slander to say it is a sort of deep state apparatus.
[00:14:11]  Like they've had auspices on Iran for 60 years.
[00:14:14]  So, okay, Venezuela and Cuba are just dominants that have the fall to make Iran happen.
[00:14:20]  Yeah, Mark, so you're not.
[00:14:21]  Let's look at the map, though.
[00:14:22]  Right, wow, look at that.
[00:14:24]  So, we got Florida, Cuba, massive Mexico.
[00:14:28]  Manifest Destiny is something that we forgot a long time ago, but Mexico has the manufacturing.
[00:14:33]  You're saying we should conquer Mexico and Cuba?
[00:14:35]  Ultimately.
[00:14:35]  I want to bring James Polk.
[00:14:36]  What about Canada?
[00:14:37]  We can let them get away with what they want.
[00:14:38]  The most natural resource rich country, right?
[00:14:40]  Are you an anti war guy?
[00:14:43]  I am a pro United States guy.
[00:14:45]  But what?
[00:14:45]  And I'm pro Manifest Destiny.
[00:14:48]  You like that?
[00:14:48]  Yeah.
[00:14:49]  I was reading your little manifesto.
[00:14:51]  You gave me a.
[00:14:52]  No, I said.
[00:14:52]  If the United States conquered Canada and Mexico and added them as states, it would just be a very large United States.
[00:14:59]  So you're in favor of that?
[00:15:01]  Yes, because we would then have resources and manufacturing, and it would make it so that we'd be more successful.
[00:15:06]  Yeah, but we'd have Canadians.
[00:15:08]  Yeah, but do we own all the productions of.
[00:15:11]  We make the Canadians mine the things we want.
[00:15:14]  And we pay them less.
[00:15:15]  Yeah.
[00:15:16]  I work in the North.
[00:15:17]  I don't mean to sound nitpicky, but I'm reading here.
[00:15:19]  Take that, Canada.
[00:15:20]  It says the end of forever wars, the 20 year career model is the engine that makes forever wars.
[00:15:25]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:15:26]  What did he say?
[00:15:27]  He said, get it done quick.
[00:15:28]  Yeah.
[00:15:28]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:28]  That's why I think military should be 10 years, then you get your pension, not 20 years.
[00:15:34]  He didn't say no wars.
[00:15:35]  He said no forever.
[00:15:36]  Quick.
[00:15:37]  Yeah.
[00:15:37]  You know, you support the president's actions in Venezuela?
[00:15:41]  In Venezuela to ultimately liberate Cuba, yes.
[00:15:44]  Well, but hold on, hold on, hold on.
[00:15:46]  You have to do one before.
[00:15:47]  Yeah.
[00:15:48]  The oil assets in Venezuela belong to the United States.
[00:15:51]  We had a treaty with them to establish oil infrastructure.
[00:15:55]  They shook our hands.
[00:15:56]  Our companies built it.
[00:15:57]  And then Chavez comes in.
[00:16:00]  He takes it all.
[00:16:01]  Yeah.
[00:16:01]  He just stole it.
[00:16:02]  Yeah.
[00:16:03]  So when Trump goes in and takes out Maduro, he was taking back what was rightfully ours.
[00:16:07]  That's justice.
[00:16:07]  Correct.
[00:16:08]  And he was also cutting off the cash supply to Cuba, which then allows us to go in under this narrative of liberation.
[00:16:14]  I guess more specifically, do you support Operation Epic Fury right now?
[00:16:20]  Iran war.
[00:16:21]  In parts.
[00:16:23]  I think that it's executed in a way that will lead to a prolonged war, one that will be much longer than we believe it to be.
[00:16:30]  And by sending ground troops in, it's only going to make it at least eight months at the minimum.
[00:16:34]  Yeah.
[00:16:34]  I mean, I guess there aren't troops on the ground there now.
[00:16:36]  I guess which parts, what do you support?
[00:16:39]  I support spreading democracy throughout the globe.
[00:16:42]  And I believe that we should do that in every way that we are capable.
[00:16:45]  Well, as long as not gay communism.
[00:16:49]  I mean, I do, but I just haven't heard it.
[00:16:51]  Now you're rocking with me.
[00:16:52]  I mean,.
[00:16:53]  Got to bring that back, huh?
[00:16:54]  Cheney, I mean, nice.
[00:16:56]  No, but like if we're going to be the world's superpower, right?
[00:16:59]  Like, what do you think we should be?
[00:17:00]  Well, we have the most perfect architecture of governance ever created, right?
[00:17:05]  We should spread that.
[00:17:06]  That is our duty.
[00:17:07]  It's America to me is a religion, right?
[00:17:09]  I believe in America before I know.
[00:17:11]  I'm a lapsed Catholic.
[00:17:12]  I don't know what the ultimate truths are.
[00:17:15]  But I do believe that what we're doing here, greatest experiment we've had, and it's the one that can help uplift the most people and make the most people have a better life by force.
[00:17:26]  Well, it seems like all these operations are very little to do with ideology.
[00:17:30]  I think this is what separates the Trump Don Roe doctrine from any previous iteration of American foreign policy, at least over the last 50 years, is because all of these pieces seem to actually be part of an anti China posture more so than they have to be.
[00:17:42]  I mean, compared to Bush, where Bush was purely about a purely ideological war, where I don't think Trump really cares that much about Iran or Iranians.
[00:17:51]  And that's fine.
[00:17:51]  That's how it should be.
[00:17:52]  He's primarily concerned with the Americans and he's concerned about China's sort of.
[00:17:56]  My problem is.
[00:17:57]  The people who are like, we can't have any conflict intervention while China is saying, that's right, America, go intervene and take over other countries.
[00:18:08]  If China's going to be conquering the world and we're sitting back watching it happen, we're going to be very, very unhappy.

=== Anti-Intervention Stress Disorder (05:37) ===

[00:18:13]  So, this is the challenge that we have.
[00:18:15]  And I think for a lot of millennials, the anti intervention stuff largely is born from post intervention stress disorder from Iraq and Afghanistan, which were botched.
[00:18:24]  It was miserably done.
[00:18:25]  They lied.
[00:18:26]  It was very obvious they were doing a piss poor job.
[00:18:29]  However, that being said, if we sit back and allow China to just start, you know, expanding the Belt and Road Initiative, taking over everything, then we will regret it.
[00:18:40]  It will be very, very bad for all of us because we do not have the economic infrastructure to exist outside the petrodollar right now.
[00:18:46]  Well, they're playing a long term game.
[00:18:47]  We're not.
[00:18:48]  That's always been our problem.
[00:18:49]  At most, we play a four year game.
[00:18:52]  They're playing, I mean, look at Singapore.
[00:18:53]  That's a 150 year plan.
[00:18:55]  China, 100 year plan.
[00:18:57]  We're going to get our asses handed to us if we don't wake up and see that we're managing this like it's a publicly traded corporation and we're being managed into bankruptcy.
[00:19:06]  That's the problem.
[00:19:07]  We need to look at the country as a publicly traded corporation.
[00:19:10]  We're the shareholders, the citizens.
[00:19:12]  And if we were to look at it, we say, oh shit, we need to hire some turnaround restructuring bankers to restructure this country and make it so that we have to slash debt.
[00:19:21]  We have to change exactly how we allocate capital and make it so that we actually have a future because we give money away.
[00:19:28]  We don't get a benefit.
[00:19:29]  We were talking a little bit about your background before the show.
[00:19:32]  Maybe I think it would be good if you had like maybe 30 seconds or a minute to introduce yourself, what your quick background was, why you decided to get into politics, and how that affects the Virginia race now.
[00:19:40]  Absolutely.
[00:19:40]  Mark Moran, first time, long time.
[00:19:42]  I'm a licensed attorney.
[00:19:45]  Started off as an investment banker, did about $75 billion of MA, worked on the most value destructive deals in history, Buyer Monsanto, which consolidated 90% of the seed market, CVS Aetna.
[00:19:58]  And I started to see that the system is entirely designed for people to capture wealth from it, that publicly traded corporations have more power than individuals.
[00:20:07]  That is something the founding fathers never could have envisioned.
[00:20:11]  Corporations were limited in size, duration, and geographic scope at the founding of this country.
[00:20:16]  Now we have the Delaware Court of Chancery, which is business friendly.
[00:20:19]  It makes it so that corporations can buy politicians, they can lobby for whatever they want, even the pharmaceuticals.
[00:20:25]  Is that what motivates your politics more than anything, I guess?
[00:20:27]  Yes.
[00:20:28]  Sounds like you're really railing against.
[00:20:29]  These big businesses.
[00:20:30]  Absolutely.
[00:20:31]  To restore power to the individual.
[00:20:33]  That I started running as a Democrat for the United States Senate to represent Virginia against Mark Warner.
[00:20:39]  A lot of things happened we can get into, switch to an independent.
[00:20:42]  But the larger ideology is that we're screwed.
[00:20:46]  That we only have a few years left before this surveillance apparatus takes control of all of us.
[00:20:51]  So just think you started as a Democrat.
[00:20:53]  Were you registered as a Democrat?
[00:20:55]  Would you vote Democrat?
[00:20:56]  How'd you vote in the most previous Virginian election?
[00:20:58]  I voted for Spanberger.
[00:21:00]  I was a split ticket Spanberger, Miarez, and then Hashimi.
[00:21:04]  Why'd you vote for Spanberger?
[00:21:06]  Well, one, she's a colleague of my father's.
[00:21:08]  But two, a winsome joke.
[00:21:12]  You know, like not a serious candidate.
[00:21:13]  And that was an offense to my liberty, really.
[00:21:16]  Sure.
[00:21:16]  I mean, why the, like, what is gained from Spanberger?
[00:21:21]  Oh, nothing.
[00:21:22]  I mean, now looking at it, we're giving away so much that you can see that she's part of a larger plan.
[00:21:27]  You regret voting for her?
[00:21:28]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:21:29]  100% I regret voting for her.
[00:21:31]  Oh, well, there you go.
[00:21:32]  That what she's doing to this.
[00:21:32]  She's so recent, though.
[00:21:34]  It's so recent, but look at how radical it's been.
[00:21:36]  Yeah, yeah, no, no.
[00:21:38]  This is a good point.
[00:21:39]  Just to interject.
[00:21:40]  She did not campaign on being a nut job ramming through a bunch of psychotic policies.
[00:21:45]  She tried playing the moderate.
[00:21:46]  She gets in, and all of a sudden, everybody's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is she doing?
[00:21:49]  Now people are starting to freak out.
[00:21:52]  I accept Mark saying that he regrets it.
[00:21:57]  Yeah, I guess you've turned a new leaf.
[00:21:59]  That's how it goes.
[00:22:00]  I mean, yesterday on my show, I had Conscious Caracal, Ernst Van Ziel.
[00:22:03]  He's a South African activist.
[00:22:04]  And, like, he's literally describing why accelerationism is just like a flawed ideology.
[00:22:08]  Because, again, when you, like, install the left into power to, like, teach the right to be more radical, all you really do is just bury the right further.
[00:22:16]  To this point, like, voting for a moderate, a supposed moderate.
[00:22:19]  I mean, Mandela coded moderate.
[00:22:20]  Nelson Mandela coded moderate.
[00:22:22]  And everyone was like, yeah, okay, he just wants, like, wholesome chungus, like, racial justice or whatever.
[00:22:25]  And then, literally, 10 years later, they're like, by the way, if your management's more than, like, 10% white, we're just, like, going to Completely shut you out of the South African economy.
[00:22:32]  So it's like, it's always going to be a bait and switch all the time.
[00:22:35]  We're in a civilizational battle.
[00:22:36]  Like, maybe if America was fairly stable, then you could believe politicians when they're telling you that.
[00:22:40]  But it's not stable by design.
[00:22:42]  Listen.
[00:22:42]  Well, regardless of what the situation is, this is the function of politics.
[00:22:46]  Politicians run as moderates all the time because they want a lowest common denominator voter base, which maximizes their chance to win.
[00:22:52]  Then they get in and they do crazy things.
[00:22:54]  Trump ran as a moderate, he's a moderate.
[00:22:57]  And his supporters are actually angry.
[00:22:59]  He's not more of a right populist.
[00:23:01]  He's actually a moderate.
[00:23:03]  Meaning, we got the bump stock ban.
[00:23:05]  Trump's moderate.
[00:23:07]  He's enacting policies right now that have people shocked, like, I can't believe Trump's in favor of glyphosate.
[00:23:11]  What made you think he wouldn't be?
[00:23:13]  Don't get me wrong, he brought in RFK Jr.
[00:23:15]  I get it.
[00:23:15]  So you thought RFK Jr. would have an influence, but Trump is once again, he was a big pharma guy.
[00:23:19]  He provided a bunch of funding from the pharmaceutical companies.
[00:23:21]  Then you get, now I will say, the FISA thing is funny because Trump called for getting rid of the FISA surveillance stuff, and now he's fighting for it.
[00:23:29]  So I'll give him that one.
[00:23:31]  But with the Iran war, he's repeatedly said that he would never allow them to have a nuclear weapon.
[00:23:36]  And he was pounding around with John Bolton in his first term.
[00:23:39]  So, the people that are acting surprised that he's friends with neocons, I'm like, guys, he was the whole time.
[00:23:45]  People were attacking him, saying he didn't drain the swamp in his first term, and you were hoping he was going to do it in his second term.
[00:23:49]  I'm not surprised by a lot of these things.

=== Data Centers and Government Control (07:05) ===

[00:23:51]  Some of it, yes.
[00:23:52]  My point is the Democrats run as moderates and then go insane.
[00:23:56]  Trump runs as a moderate, meaning you're going to get a lot of these static corporate, you know, conservative policies, and people are upset that he's not actually more of what Spangler is.
[00:24:05]  They want him to be what Spanberger is to the left, but for the right, and he's not.
[00:24:09]  Did you vote for the president?
[00:24:11]  I did.
[00:24:12]  Interesting.
[00:24:12]  Nice.
[00:24:13]  I have a fascinating, I guess, political background.
[00:24:16]  I guess I don't know how things are in Virginia, so I'm just fascinated a little bit.
[00:24:19]  It's purple.
[00:24:20]  It's a purple state, but it's not governed by purple.
[00:24:22]  The people want it.
[00:24:23]  It's weird.
[00:24:24]  It must be something in the water.
[00:24:25]  This guy's purple.
[00:24:25]  Well, it's just hair, honestly, and that's dye.
[00:24:28]  I think there's worse stuff in the water here.
[00:24:30]  I did have my.
[00:24:31]  I think in the Potomac, I think there's a sewage spill or something.
[00:24:34]  I don't know if it was a sewage spill.
[00:24:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:24:35]  In D.C., like a historic sewage pipe burst and just spewing sewage, and everyone's just.
[00:24:41]  Watching, no one says anything.
[00:24:43]  You look at Mark Warner's Twitter profile page, his background image is of the Potomac at Great Falls Park.
[00:24:49]  It's also massively being impacted by data centers, and we don't talk about that at all.
[00:24:54]  You've been railing a bit on data centers.
[00:24:56]  How is that a significant issue?
[00:24:57]  Maybe you could educate us a little bit.
[00:24:58]  I think what they have more data centers than the average state.
[00:25:02]  Why is that an issue?
[00:25:03]  And what are both sides saying?
[00:25:04]  Sure.
[00:25:05]  To go back to this, so DARPANET, the precursor of the internet, was created in 1969 in Arlington, a government funded Infrastructure, right?
[00:25:13]  Then that expands to Tyson's Corner, Virginia, where MAE East was, the first large scale hookup of the internet.
[00:25:19]  AOL goes there in 1986.
[00:25:21]  AOL expands to Ashburn, Virginia in 1996.
[00:25:24]  That creates Data Center Alley, the most highly concentrated place of data centers in the entire country, which then now leads to the fact that 70% of all daily internet traffic travels through the tubes in Northern Virginia.
[00:25:35]  So we have 665 of them, 514 planned.
[00:25:38]  And this is why I keep telling people the government.
[00:25:41]  AI systems operating out of Northern Virginia, which they have not disclosed because it's classified, is substantially more powerful because it is taking the entire internet as its training data set, whereas these other companies have to use isolated data pockets.
[00:25:55]  That's why they're all in Virginia.
[00:25:57]  Indeed.
[00:25:57]  Elon bought Twitter because Twitter was a data training set.
[00:26:02]  He launches XAI right away, he merges them, and it's worth an insane amount of money.
[00:26:06]  All of these other, like ChatGPT uses Reddit and other internet scraped things, and they're getting targeted for it.
[00:26:12]  They're saying, hey, you can't take these things from us.
[00:26:15]  The government just has the internet.
[00:26:17]  They can take all of the data from everywhere for their secret military project.
[00:26:22]  And for the life of me, I can't understand when people are like, the government doesn't have this.
[00:26:27]  They rely on Claude and these other companies.
[00:26:29]  No, guys, that's ridiculous.
[00:26:32]  The big concern that Donald Trump brought up in his first term with Project Stargate was that China can't be allowed to beat us militaristically using AI.
[00:26:39]  So the US military has absolutely been developing this at a faster and higher level.
[00:26:45]  Companies have restrictions.
[00:26:46]  The government does whatever it wants, and it has black sites to do it and black budgets to do it.
[00:26:51]  There was a.
[00:26:53]  Tell me if you know about this, because you might know more than I do.
[00:26:55]  Last year, we were researching a lot of the AI stuff, and there was a reported power consumption discrepancy in Northern Virginia where the amount of energy required for this population size would have been, you know, I forgot what the number was, but there was something like a 250% discrepancy in the amount of power consumed.
[00:27:16]  The presumption was there are data centers operating in Northern Virginia that we don't even know of.
[00:27:20]  Of course.
[00:27:21]  Of course, there are.
[00:27:22]  It's entirely by design.
[00:27:24]  I mean, DARPANET created the internet, right?
[00:27:26]  Like, it was.
[00:27:27]  Created by the government, that all of these webs that we go and we participate in, we're giving our data away, which is why all the data centers started here because the latency effect.
[00:27:38]  The closer you are to it, then boom, more information.
[00:27:42]  I think I just figured something out.
[00:27:44]  Yeah.
[00:27:44]  I'm not worried about the Terminator.
[00:27:47]  Terminator scenario.
[00:27:48]  Yeah.
[00:27:48]  Because if the AI takes in all of what humanity is on the internet and uses that to create an amalgam faux consciousness, it will just stay home masturbating all day.
[00:28:01]  Yeah.
[00:28:01]  It'll be a gooner.
[00:28:03]  That's all it will do.
[00:28:03]  It will, it will, like the government is, you know, government scientists are going to call in Trump and they're going to be like, Mr. President, we are about to turn on the machine.
[00:28:12]  Congratulations, sir.
[00:28:13]  It's done.
[00:28:14]  And he's like, tell me about it.
[00:28:15]  And they're like, this AI, Has computational power 1,000 times stronger than all leading private sector LLMs.
[00:28:22]  And he turns it on, and then it just makes the ooh-ooh face.
[00:28:25]  And it's like, starts just mass producing porn like crazy.
[00:28:28]  And he's like, What is it doing?
[00:28:29]  Like, sir, this is what the internet is.
[00:28:31]  Its personality is an amalgamation of what people are on the internet, which is 80% porn.
[00:28:36]  That's what you've created.
[00:28:37]  But to that point, the internet started off as a way to connect and share information, right?
[00:28:41]  Yes.
[00:28:42]  Hold on.
[00:28:43]  But sorry to interrupt.
[00:28:44]  No, please.
[00:28:45]  The speed of the internet was only increased because porn companies needed to transmit these images faster.
[00:28:50]  And that is exactly right, right?
[00:28:52]  Like this Sex.com, have you ever read that book on it?
[00:28:54]  It's a great book.
[00:28:55]  I'll give you the link.
[00:28:56]  But that was the most popular site for a while, right?
[00:28:58]  There's a widely regarded dispute on it.
[00:29:02]  But it became this thing for porn, right?
[00:29:04]  Because you had to go to the Sears catalog growing up.
[00:29:06]  To look at anything.
[00:29:07]  Then, at the touch of your hand, whatever you wanted, that's a way to destroy society.
[00:29:11]  It's the same thing with gambling, that it's like the more you push this stuff, and look at OnlyFans, right?
[00:29:17]  Look at the value destruction and the life destruction that does to both the creators but the people consuming it.
[00:29:22]  It makes it so young men think one thing is real, that they're talking to some girl on OnlyFans, when in reality it's a chatter in Indonesia.
[00:29:29]  I'm trying to understand though, do you think these data centers are bad?
[00:29:33]  Should we have more of them or should we govern them differently?
[00:29:35]  How would you handle things?
[00:29:37]  Yeah, we should govern them differently because right now they're taking energy.
[00:29:40]  From the main grid that we pay into, right?
[00:29:42]  We pay for the capital improvements of it.
[00:29:44]  So if they're going to be using more energy than a typical household, well, the people should be subsidized or get a benefit from it.
[00:29:51]  So what I propose is a compute tithe, one based off kilowatt hours that the data centers are using to make it so that if we were to put that on there, well, that would be enough to fund Universal Community College.
[00:30:02]  It would, in essence, though, be a tax on these data centers in one form or another.
[00:30:06]  Well, based off how much energy they're using, right?
[00:30:08]  So I would push back against the term tax because.
[00:30:11]  As a former banker, what all of these investors are doing right now, whether it's private equity, whether it's a hedge fund, whatever company, they want one uniform federal regulation for data centers, right?
[00:30:22]  They want them to be designated as critical infrastructure so that then instead of dealing with 50 different states or even having to go to Native American nations, that they can say, okay, we can expand across state lines.
[00:30:32]  We can do this, we can do that, right?
[00:30:34]  It gives uniformity in capital planning and allocation.
[00:30:38]  That means they're going to get money.
[00:30:40]  The investors, they can have.
[00:30:42]  Excuse me, have a company go public, they can ultimately get liquidity and make it so that they're getting what they put their money into.
[00:30:49]  That's going to happen regardless of who's in office.
[00:30:52]  It's going to be some House of Representatives member who gets their campaign funded.

=== AI Manipulation Through Anime Waifus (02:28) ===

[00:30:56]  So if that's going to happen, well, I see the future of that.
[00:31:00]  I want that to happen.
[00:31:01]  I propose that.
[00:31:03]  But I want to put a compute tithe on them so that the people can have education because if AI is the culmination of all Human knowledge, well, shouldn't we get a benefit for it?
[00:31:14]  It's going to get absolutely insane.
[00:31:16]  And all joking aside, I don't think that the AI will just be a gooner itself.
[00:31:22]  But the Terminator bots are not going to be, we talked about this before, but they're not going to be skeletons with guns looking all evil.
[00:31:28]  They're going to be like cat eared, sexy anime waifus walking around because that's what's going to manipulate humans into doing what I'm half kidding.
[00:31:37]  But AI is going to be the perfect companion and give you everything you want to push you into doing certain things that it wants you to do.
[00:31:44]  Yeah, look what they've already done.
[00:31:45]  Where it's like before, if you wanted to order DoorDash, it'd be like an angry Guatemalan who's like on the verge of deportation.
[00:31:51]  Where now it's just like a little car that rolls up and it like makes chirpy noises and it's like fun and you almost feel bad for it.
[00:31:57]  I actually rather enjoy the videos where people destroy them.
[00:32:00]  Yeah.
[00:32:00]  Oh, I love that.
[00:32:01]  I don't want anyone to do that.
[00:32:02]  Don't do that.
[00:32:02]  Don't vandalize things that don't belong to you.
[00:32:04]  Definitely don't do that.
[00:32:05]  But when I see these videos of people, like there's a video.
[00:32:08]  You know what?
[00:32:08]  I'll just settle on this.
[00:32:09]  I like the videos where these things crash and get hit by cars and stuff.
[00:32:12]  Did you see the one get hit by a train?
[00:32:13]  Yeah.
[00:32:14]  Yeah.
[00:32:15]  I don't know, maybe.
[00:32:16]  Beautiful.
[00:32:17]  It could be like a hormonal issue or something, but I feel really bad.
[00:32:19]  With the robot?
[00:32:20]  Yeah, when I see the crashes, I'm like, oh, we're going to have to do it.
[00:32:23]  You might be Chinese.
[00:32:24]  Yeah.
[00:32:24]  Maybe you're a woman.
[00:32:25]  And it could be, and I don't have the same reaction for the previously stated Guatemalan DoorDashers.
[00:32:30]  I'm just like, wow.
[00:32:30]  You know, I will say this, though.
[00:32:32]  When I'm watching a movie, what was I watching today?
[00:32:35]  I was watching The Boys, and I was watching Invincible.
[00:32:41]  That's Holly.
[00:32:42]  Great movie.
[00:32:44]  There's just so much gore in both of those shows.
[00:32:46]  One's live action, one's a cartoon, though.
[00:32:49]  And.
[00:32:49]  My wife is like, I don't want, you know, like, don't let our daughter watch this.
[00:32:53]  This is gory and disgusting.
[00:32:54]  I feel nothing when I'm watching a movie and, like, a dude gets shot.
[00:32:59]  But if a dog gets hurt, I'm like, turn it off!
[00:33:03]  Turn it off!
[00:33:04]  Those robots I enjoy.
[00:33:05]  So, like, robots, I enjoy when they get smashed.
[00:33:09]  People, I'm just like, oh, look at that.
[00:33:10]  They shot the bad guy.
[00:33:11]  A dog, yeah.
[00:33:12]  I cry under an airbutt.
[00:33:13]  I get it.
[00:33:16]  It's real.
[00:33:16]  The I Am Legend scene where he has, oh, he has to kill the dog.
[00:33:19]  Oh.
[00:33:20]  Brutal, but then you'll watch a movie where they're like killing hundreds of thousands of people, and you're like, This is a good movie.

=== Medicare Funding and Toll Roads (15:46) ===

[00:33:24]  Yeah, this is interesting.
[00:33:25]  It's like, Yeah, it does weird things with human psychology, or it's just me.
[00:33:28]  I don't know, indeed.
[00:33:30]  Yeah, yeah, I just that's exposure to the internet.
[00:33:32]  Like, we weren't designed to consume the internet the way we do in the volume that we do, right?
[00:33:38]  Like, I'm 34, I grew up on a kind of a verge of generations where we had it probably like fourth grade on.
[00:33:47]  But now you have kids growing up with the internet.
[00:33:49]  They're iPad babies.
[00:33:50]  Nah, not my kid.
[00:33:51]  Yeah, not yours, right?
[00:33:52]  But think about everything.
[00:33:54]  We're raising my daughter like it's 1981.
[00:33:56]  And then when she's older, what we're going to do is, like, so we're not going to let her go anywhere or travel at all.
[00:34:01]  And then when she's finally like 15, we're going to stage a cataclysmic event.
[00:34:06]  Okay.
[00:34:06]  And then we're going to be like, oh, what happened?
[00:34:08]  Oh, we've been transported to the future.
[00:34:10]  Oh, gee, what's this thing?
[00:34:12]  A tablet.
[00:34:12]  Oh.
[00:34:13]  Raising her like it's 1981.
[00:34:14]  It's like, yeah, the Falklands.
[00:34:15]  I don't know what's going on.
[00:34:16]  It's like a rum springer for the Amish.
[00:34:19]  We're going to play only news from the 80s and we're going to get like an old UHF TV.
[00:34:22]  Yeah, I'd be like, I'm not going to be like, I've got to get down there.
[00:34:25]  Thatcher's got to do something.
[00:34:25]  Blast from the fence outside movie with Brendan Fraser.
[00:34:28]  We're going to, that's right.
[00:34:29]  Yeah.
[00:34:29]  We're going to build a big fence around the property and be like, you can't go outside because the radiation will get you.
[00:34:36]  That's base.
[00:34:38]  This Reagan guy, you know, he's doing a decent job.
[00:34:40]  I think he's all right.
[00:34:41]  You know, we'll see.
[00:34:41]  Yeah.
[00:34:42]  You know, make America great again.
[00:34:44]  I like that sound.
[00:34:45]  That's a good phrase.
[00:34:46]  I wonder if the President in the future might say something like that.
[00:34:49]  Like, this Trump University thing's going nowhere.
[00:34:51]  It's dead in the water.
[00:34:52]  Look at this Trump guy on Oprah.
[00:34:54]  Yeah, he's interesting.
[00:34:55]  Look at that.
[00:34:55]  He's really obsessed with Iran.
[00:34:57]  I don't know what his deal is.
[00:34:58]  He keeps talking about it.
[00:34:59]  Oh, no.
[00:34:59]  It's too late.
[00:35:00]  We've already shown her all of the 90s punk rock.
[00:35:01]  It's over.
[00:35:02]  Oh, wow.
[00:35:02]  She's been exposed.
[00:35:03]  It's a containment breach.
[00:35:04]  Containment.
[00:35:05]  It's done.
[00:35:05]  It's going to be tough.
[00:35:06]  Yeah.
[00:35:06]  Let's jump to the store.
[00:35:08]  We got this from Time magazine.
[00:35:09]  Trump says Iran war close to over, hints at possible deadline ahead of royal visit.
[00:35:15]  Indeed.
[00:35:15]  He said that China, he's permanently opening the strait, making China very happy.
[00:35:21]  And I can't figure out.
[00:35:24]  Actually, I should say this.
[00:35:25]  What Trump says does not matter.
[00:35:27]  I don't know the straits actually been open for China because Trump just says things.
[00:35:31]  All that really matters, and we talked about this last night, is what is happening.
[00:35:34]  And now we've been talking about Trump might go into Cuba, might go into Venezuela.
[00:35:39]  Yo, I think at this point with his Cuba news and his stuff with China and all that, I think Trump does not care.
[00:35:46]  He's not up for reelection.
[00:35:47]  I just don't.
[00:35:48]  And you know what it is?
[00:35:51]  I was thinking about it.
[00:35:53]  Even if the Democrats win the midterms, they can't stop his foreign policy agenda.
[00:35:58]  That's the one thing that they cannot do anything about.
[00:36:00]  Yeah.
[00:36:01]  Now they can have judges say, Trump, you can't do that.
[00:36:03]  And he's going to be like, you have no authority under the Constitution.
[00:36:05]  And he can order troops to do things.
[00:36:07]  So it kind of seems like Trump's just, we're doing our foreign policy thing for the next several years and no one's going to get in our way.
[00:36:15]  Domestic policy, I think he's shrugging on.
[00:36:17]  He's just blackpilled on the midterms and saying, F it, we're going wherever we want, we're doing whatever we want.
[00:36:22]  Instead of making the political calculation, no, he's acting in America's interest, not in his own political interest.
[00:36:27]  What a true patriot.
[00:36:28]  Well, Mark, you made the point earlier, and it's true.
[00:36:30]  This is kind of the flaw of democracy broadly, is that, again, American presidents have to think in terms of four years.
[00:36:36]  Honestly, in terms of two years, because of midterms, it happens.
[00:36:39]  So it's really difficult for American presidents to conduct a truly proprietary foreign policy.
[00:36:44]  And then I was listening to Michael Tracy.
[00:36:47]  He made this point.
[00:36:47]  I don't know if he's still on this or not, but he was saying, yeah, Trump, I think, has just kind of given up on the midterms.
[00:36:53]  He might be just looking at the numbers and saying, It's untenable.
[00:36:55]  We're probably not going to win, so I might as well just put my name in the history book.
[00:36:58]  Or, or, they have other plans for how to win that don't involve public opinion.
[00:37:04]  No, I mean, they tried the Save America Act.
[00:37:06]  It was never going anywhere.
[00:37:07]  They also tried redistricting a bunch of red states to gerrymander further.
[00:37:11]  That didn't go anywhere.
[00:37:12]  Well, on that point, it only got worse.
[00:37:16]  Some would say it backfired, right?
[00:37:17]  Because then you have Virginia potentially going to 10 1 map, right?
[00:37:20]  But it's all reactionary.
[00:37:21]  Democrats only know reactionary politics.
[00:37:23]  Did you see what happened in Virginia, right?
[00:37:25]  And it is an affront to liberty.
[00:37:27]  It has five.
[00:37:28]  Districts.
[00:37:29]  One can think there's a lobster.
[00:37:31]  That's true.
[00:37:32]  But five of the congressional districts have little tiny strips that connect to Arlington to guarantee that they get a massive spattering of Democrats in all of these districts.
[00:37:41]  Yes.
[00:37:42]  It is evil.
[00:37:42]  There's something to say, though, about how the Republicans and the president really did initiate this round of gerrymandering and then just got mogged over it.
[00:37:51]  They really.
[00:37:52]  Mogged.
[00:37:52]  But you Democrats.
[00:37:53]  Mogged right now.
[00:37:54]  I don't think that.
[00:37:55]  I think Trump's playing 5D chess.
[00:37:57]  I think that he.
[00:37:58]  Oh, give it to me.
[00:37:58]  I think that he could tell that you look at what's going to happen in Virginia.
[00:38:03]  You see Senator Louise Lucas, who told me that I wasn't welcome in her party after I came out against gerrymandering.
[00:38:10]  That you know what she's going to do.
[00:38:12]  It's a power grab.
[00:38:13]  What's the 5D chess part?
[00:38:14]  Losing the midterms, okay?
[00:38:15]  No, then Virginia responds, right?
[00:38:17]  You do Texas, Virginia responds, right?
[00:38:19]  Then you get Cuba.
[00:38:20]  That's two new.
[00:38:22]  What?
[00:38:22]  Under a narrative of liberations.
[00:38:24]  This is 5D.
[00:38:24]  You're saying he's going to make Cuba a state.
[00:38:26]  No, no, no.
[00:38:26]  Hillary is a state.
[00:38:27]  Before the next midterms.
[00:38:28]  Oh.
[00:38:30]  Yeah, I know.
[00:38:31]  It's a good idea.
[00:38:32]  Florida takes Cuba and Cuba just becomes Florida.
[00:38:36]  Yeah, that way we could kill it.
[00:38:38]  And he'll say Michigan is two different strips of land.
[00:38:40]  Why can't we do it here?
[00:38:43]  Yeah.
[00:38:43]  Wow.
[00:38:44]  Maybe they could just get a Puerto Rico too while we're at it.
[00:38:47]  I mean, with the paper towels, as long as we're shooting them in there.
[00:38:50]  So long as we could water down the Democrat votes in Puerto Rico with the patriotic Cubans.
[00:38:55]  They're all the same.
[00:38:56]  I mean, it's true.
[00:38:58]  It's a distinction without difference.
[00:38:59]  Burrito, I don't know what's going on over there.
[00:39:01]  But the problem is there are 10 million Cubans, and all the Cubans that are conservative have left.
[00:39:05]  So it's like all the ones that are left behind.
[00:39:06]  And they're impoverished, right?
[00:39:08]  They want an opportunity for a better tomorrow, which is America.
[00:39:11]  As soon as the Democrats just start dangling the identity politics, Keys, that's gonna, that's no, they'll be thankful and uh, loyal to the president who liberated them.
[00:39:19]  Not even, I, I, guys, guys, their child, their children will be loyal to the president, correct?
[00:39:24]  They'll be saying, Oh, I were told stories about the great president who liberated our parents, like what you should have done, like how Marco talks.
[00:39:30]  If Democrats never did the gay communism thing, they would have controlled government for the past 15 years.
[00:39:36]  Well, then they wouldn't be Democrats.
[00:39:38]  I, I, I guess, but I mean, in terms of their foreign policy views, in terms of their tax policies, health care, if they just did not do transiting the kids.
[00:39:48]  If they did not do weird, woke, anti comedy stuff, they'd have won.
[00:39:51]  Joe Ruggins would have been like, I don't know, I don't care.
[00:39:54]  They're fine.
[00:39:55]  Instead, they were like, no jokes allowed.
[00:39:57]  That's fair.
[00:39:58]  And trans in the kids.
[00:39:59]  And then people were just like, I'm out.
[00:40:00]  But it seems like the animating is.
[00:40:01]  I'm sorry, sorry, real quick.
[00:40:03]  One of the big stories today is that California is providing free sex changes to homeless, illegal aliens in California.
[00:40:09]  And Tay was saying earlier, it's like a right wing headline generator.
[00:40:13]  Yeah, literally.
[00:40:14]  And I was saying this in my segment.
[00:40:16]  It's like Gavin Newsom just was like, we need to do something, you know, just.
[00:40:20]  Press the auto leftist button and they just combined a bunch of buzzwords together.
[00:40:25]  But they are literally having tax, it's taxpayer dollars being spent so that homeless illegal aliens can get sex changes.
[00:40:32]  Yeah, literally.
[00:40:33]  Like they were like, uh, Governor Newsom, um, Hassan's hitting you really hard.
[00:40:35]  He's like, we got to do something really gay, like, we got to do something obnoxiously gay and we got to do it quick.
[00:40:40]  Meanwhile, no one has health care, right?
[00:40:42]  And that's the thing, it's all fake politics, yeah, right?
[00:40:45]  Then you get it, but an American who was born here doesn't have it.
[00:40:49]  What is the answer though to health care?
[00:40:51]  I feel like.
[00:40:52]  I don't think anyone knows.
[00:40:53]  I mean, he was hinting on it a few times.
[00:40:55]  I feel like you, yeah, that might be part of this.
[00:40:57]  One start is as a former healthcare investment banker, there was one moment.
[00:41:01]  Former healthcare investment banker.
[00:41:03]  Yeah, I know.
[00:41:03]  I worked for Peter Orsag, who implemented the politician.
[00:41:05]  He sounded like a politician.
[00:41:07]  Yeah.
[00:41:07]  And then later, Rahm Emanuel.
[00:41:08]  And so I saw the evils firsthand.
[00:41:10]  Removing publicly traded companies from healthcare, right?
[00:41:13]  Or at least changing their behavior because a publicly traded company has a fiduciary duty, it's called for their shareholders, right?
[00:41:20]  So they're managing to make them money, not for the patient.
[00:41:24]  And we lose as government, we're spending $1.5 trillion in Medicaid a year.
[00:41:28]  We just give it away.
[00:41:28]  We don't get any equity in these things.
[00:41:30]  They shouldn't be publicly traded.
[00:41:33]  So, what?
[00:41:34]  Or if they are, if we're going to be giving these healthcare companies $1.5 trillion, we should get equity in it.
[00:41:39]  Because if we were to adopt that across industries to everywhere the government is giving money, well, we would be able to have birth accounts with $25,000 at birth for every kid born in America.
[00:41:51]  So, you want government to have a stake in these companies, the ones that we subsidize?
[00:41:55]  We subsidize, right, this industry because We want healthcare to be cheaper for Americans.
[00:41:59]  But wouldn't every investor who gives money to invest in something, don't they get an equity stake?
[00:42:05]  That's all I'm saying, that we should manage this like a publicly traded corporation and then to the benefit of our people.
[00:42:10]  Yeah, I guess government is already very involved in healthcare, but just giving money away.
[00:42:15]  Wouldn't that only further government involvement, though?
[00:42:17]  And as a capitalist, as I understand, the more the government gets involved, it makes the incentives more perverse.
[00:42:24]  So government getting involved in healthcare hasn't made it any cheaper.
[00:42:27]  You want to solve that problem with more government in healthcare.
[00:42:31]  I know healthcare is a very complicated issue.
[00:42:32]  No, no, no.
[00:42:33]  I'm talking about the equity state because you're a capitalist, right?
[00:42:36]  So, what we're doing now is anti capitalist.
[00:42:38]  We give $7 trillion away each year.
[00:42:41]  The United States government spends it.
[00:42:43]  When you say that, are you talking about Social Security?
[00:42:45]  All of it in totality.
[00:42:46]  Medicaid, Medicare.
[00:42:47]  Right?
[00:42:47]  Even the $1 trillion on our interest that we spend, right?
[00:42:50]  In totality, we don't get anything from it.
[00:42:52]  There are companies, North of Birmingham.
[00:42:53]  Are you specifically.
[00:42:54]  I'm trying to understand.
[00:42:55]  Are you talking about Medicaid and Medicare when you say we're giving them?
[00:42:59]  So, a company called Centene, which is a $150 billion company, we give them 97% of their revenue, yet we have no equity in that.
[00:43:07]  So, what are we doing?
[00:43:08]  Is my question.
[00:43:09]  We're acting as a poor fiduciary.
[00:43:12]  And if we were to get equity in it, well, that incentivizes this publicly traded company to grow, to manage for its shareholders, because we are the shareholders now, too.
[00:43:22]  The government, if we're going to give all this money away, which is our money that we pay in taxes, well, we need a benefit, and we don't have one right now.
[00:43:29]  And we've never looked at the government as a publicly traded corporation.
[00:43:32]  It's time to look at the government.
[00:43:33]  Are you a Medicare for all guy?
[00:43:35]  I am a healthcare is a basic right, but Medicare for all is not going to work.
[00:43:38]  What is that ever going to work?
[00:43:39]  What is the basic right, though?
[00:43:41]  I believe that healthcare should be free for all American citizens and that we should have something much more similar to the way the uniformed services have them.
[00:43:50]  That people are subsidized to go to medical school, that they benefit the community, basic treatment, normal healthcare.
[00:43:58]  Hold on, hold on.
[00:43:59]  You'd have to deport every illegal immigrant to do that.
[00:44:02]  Well, I think we should have closed borders.
[00:44:04]  And then I think what we should do is when we do that, well, then you can start enforcing through the actual employers, right?
[00:44:10]  So when ICE went in in the Central Valley of California, They stopped enforcing because all of the large corporate farmers said, Hey, this is really affecting us, right?
[00:44:19]  So they went elsewhere.
[00:44:21]  What I'm saying is that we're always going to have certain labor groups that we're never going to be able to actually fulfill with domestic.
[00:44:28]  I feel like you're missing that's that, absolutely not.
[00:44:29]  That's a you don't think so?
[00:44:30]  Absolute myth.
[00:44:32]  When in Trump's first term, ICE raided three meat processing plants and deported something like 800 people.
[00:44:39]  And within a week, there were lines out the door from American born Americans trying to get jobs.
[00:44:46]  One of the guys getting interviewed.
[00:44:48]  White dude was asked, Why do you want to work here?
[00:44:50]  Americans simply don't take these jobs.
[00:44:52]  He goes, It pays more than the gas station.
[00:44:54]  Well, and with those processing plants, I agree.
[00:44:56]  I was talking about farm work, but with this, I agree.
[00:44:59]  Like, let's look at Smithfield in Virginia.
[00:45:02]  The companies, the farms, should pay a wage that attracts American workers to work those fields.
[00:45:08]  I agree with that.
[00:45:08]  I just don't know if in the free form of capitalism we have now that'll happen, but going to Smithfield.
[00:45:12]  Oh, it'll absolutely happen.
[00:45:14]  Okay.
[00:45:14]  Okay.
[00:45:14]  And I would love that.
[00:45:16]  Let me ask you a question.
[00:45:18]  We're opening up a coffee shop.
[00:45:20]  How would you like a job working behind the counter running the cash register for me?
[00:45:24]  How much?
[00:45:25]  Good question.
[00:45:26]  And that is the correct question.
[00:45:28]  How much do you want?
[00:45:29]  I mean, for me, you know, if I can come on here once a week, I call it $25 an hour, I would do that for it.
[00:45:35]  Service with a smile.
[00:45:36]  It's a medical investment.
[00:45:37]  No, no, no.
[00:45:37]  You nailed it for yourself.
[00:45:38]  It used to be.
[00:45:39]  Hold on.
[00:45:40]  That was the correct response.
[00:45:42]  Most people say, no, I wouldn't want to work that job.
[00:45:45]  No, no, the correct answer is, how much?
[00:45:47]  Yeah.
[00:45:48]  And that's the question that these farms, when they put up jobs saying, We need people to work these fields.
[00:45:53]  It's not a question of Americans don't want to do it.
[00:45:55]  It's a question that they don't want to pay.
[00:45:57]  Their concern is this is a sickness our country has, where a lot of these farms say, listen, we pay 10 to 15 bucks an hour.
[00:46:04]  Typically, Americans don't want to do that because they want to find a higher paying job.
[00:46:07]  Well, then pay 20, 25 an hour.
[00:46:09]  Yeah, but that means I got to sell the kale for like 30 bucks.
[00:46:12]  Indeed, you do.
[00:46:13]  And then the people who want it will have to pay 30 bucks to get it.
[00:46:16]  But guess what?
[00:46:17]  They're working on your farm for 30 bucks an hour.
[00:46:19]  That's the point.
[00:46:20]  When we do this game of bringing in illegal immigrants, it is, it is, It's an addiction that drags the system down and stunts the economy.
[00:46:28]  Destroys it on purpose.
[00:46:29]  And now we have simultaneously people like Zorhan Mamdani saying people aren't getting paid enough, so food's too expensive.
[00:46:35]  So we're going to do government grocery stores and things like this.
[00:46:39]  The government is, I'll put it like this.
[00:46:43]  A lot of libertarians say government is the problem.
[00:46:45]  I don't agree with that.
[00:46:46]  I'm not a staunch libertarian on government.
[00:46:48]  Government should be enforcing our labor laws and our immigration laws to protect the American people so that these companies don't do these things.
[00:46:54]  I agree with Bernie in 2016 when he said open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.
[00:46:59]  We don't want to do that.
[00:47:00]  I firmly believe that if we were to make these jobs competitive, that guy who burned down that factory in Ontario.
[00:47:08]  He wanted $27 an hour.
[00:47:10]  I thought he was getting it.
[00:47:11]  The rumor is that he was getting it.
[00:47:13]  Yeah, well, the reporting I saw was that he was getting $27 an hour and he said it wasn't enough.
[00:47:17]  Yeah.
[00:47:17]  Because the Ori was getting 23.
[00:47:20]  I looked up the average income for that factory, it was $23 an hour.
[00:47:25]  So this guy said, that's not enough.
[00:47:26]  And it's funny because some other guy interviewed said, it sucks.
[00:47:29]  I just started making good money working here.
[00:47:31]  But again, to the point, not to interrupt, but you can jump back to where you're at.
[00:47:35]  I think that I got to be honest, you go to a Gen Z guy who's 18 and say, you want to work the farms, they're going to be like, fuck, how much does it pay?
[00:47:45]  And they're going to say, how much do you want?
[00:47:46]  I'd be like, I don't know.
[00:47:47]  And I got to tell you, 20 bucks an hour, they'd be like, all right, I guess.
[00:47:52]  Roll up your sleeves.
[00:47:54]  But also, too, with that, it's that anyone 18 to 20, right?
[00:47:58]  Like, either they're going to go to college, they're going to take out loans, they're going to screw up the rest of their life by doing that, right?
[00:48:03]  Yep.
[00:48:03]  The hobby is going to be destroyed by AI.
[00:48:06]  But this is what I'm getting at with the community college system that we have to have an entire rethinking of education.
[00:48:13]  That 18 to 20, you should be able to go work at the farm $20 an hour, $25.
[00:48:18]  Figure out if you like that or not.
[00:48:19]  Maybe you want to be in upper management of the farm, which seems very slim because it's a farm.
[00:48:23]  But that we have to really think about this because meaning has to be provided in work too, right?
[00:48:28]  And I think that's my biggest concern with where we're going with AI.
[00:48:32]  That if we remove meaning from work, what do we have?
[00:48:35]  Our culture was built because of the industrious nature of the American people.
[00:48:41]  And that is something that we need innately to our core.
[00:48:44]  And if we don't have that, then who are we?
[00:48:46]  Yeah, I think we have a cultural problem.
[00:48:49]  Yes.
[00:48:49]  That if you go to a Gen Z guy who's just sitting there on Instagram scrolling and say, you can actually start working right now to save up.
[00:48:58]  All you got to do is go work on a farm.
[00:48:59]  They're going to be like, no.
[00:49:00]  Because they don't believe in the future.
[00:49:02]  There's a viral video that I want to pull up that I got everybody all mad at me for because they're like, no, Tim, you're wrong.
[00:49:08]  This woman is correct.
[00:49:09]  But this woman is not correct.
[00:49:10]  She's a commie.

=== Meaning Lost in American Work (15:41) ===

[00:49:11]  And let me pull this.
[00:49:12]  The video is going massively viral.
[00:49:13]  I think you guys know what it is.
[00:49:14]  I got it right here.
[00:49:18]  Let's play this video.
[00:49:19]  She swears a whole lot.
[00:49:20]  She swears a whole lot.
[00:49:20]  It's kind of annoying.
[00:49:21]  There we go.
[00:49:23]  I gotta unmute it.
[00:49:24]  We are living all types of fucking wrong.
[00:49:26]  Like, you mean to tell me.
[00:49:28]  I've actually fucking had it with the United States of America because, baby, we are living all types of fucking wrong.
[00:49:33]  We're not.
[00:49:34]  Like, you mean to tell me I gotta go to work 40, sometimes 50 hours a week, only to get two weeks of paid vacation while the rest of the world gets fucking five.
[00:49:41]  Peasants used to get 154 days off.
[00:49:44]  I'm not even treated like a fucking peasant anymore.
[00:49:47]  I gotta drive an hour to work and back if I'm lucky.
[00:49:49]  If I pay to fucking commute, I'm paying for a train or a bus or an Uber fucking ride.
[00:49:54]  And if I'm not doing that, then I'm paying for fucking tolls on.
[00:49:56]  Fucking roads that my tax dollars already pay to build and fucking maintain.
[00:50:00]  I gotta pay to get a fucking driver's license or a license plate for the fucking driving on the roads that my tax dollars again paid to build and fucking maintain.
[00:50:09]  Then I need an oil change.
[00:50:11]  It's higher rotation.
[00:50:12]  Pads are fucking $1,000 per axle on a base model Kia Optima, bitch, since fucking when?
[00:50:17]  We get it.
[00:50:18]  Let's hold the fucking rules down.
[00:50:19]  We get it.
[00:50:20]  Sales tax.
[00:50:20]  Also, that my fucking pedophile of a Satan worshiping baby eating president can blow up fucking children halfway across the world and stop resources.
[00:50:28]  We got a looming energy crisis.
[00:50:30]  We have a fucking food shortage affecting the entire fucking globe.
[00:50:33]  My tax dollars don't go to fucking healthcare.
[00:50:35]  They give me just enough healthcare to keep me alive long enough to fucking work.
[00:50:38]  But let's start from point number one.
[00:50:41]  Clearly, it's her.
[00:50:41]  In the beginning, she says that peasants got more days off than she did.
[00:50:47]  That's not true.
[00:50:48]  This is because peasants who lived on farms didn't farm in winter, but they still had to struggle to survive, meaning chopping wood and hunting and huddling together for warmth, fearful that if you run out of food or bandidos come, You will die.
[00:51:06]  But I have a solution for her.
[00:51:07]  It's simple.
[00:51:08]  If you want to live like a peasant, it can be done.
[00:51:12]  Sudan awaits.
[00:51:15]  There will be no air conditioning.
[00:51:16]  There will be no internet.
[00:51:18]  You will make $50 per year.
[00:51:21]  You will make barely enough food to get by, but you'll work relatively little compared to what you do here in the United States.
[00:51:28]  With your education, man, you'll be a king over there.
[00:51:31]  So, what really irks me about these communists, and then she starts talking about Trump being a Satanist pedophile.
[00:51:36]  Let's go to the next point.
[00:51:38]  She says, We got a food crisis around the world.
[00:51:40]  I'm.
[00:51:42]  You know what?
[00:51:42]  I'm a Democrat.
[00:51:43]  I'm just every day, I'm more and more on board with how Democrats' political philosophy is we're smarter than you and we know it.
[00:51:49]  So we're going to lord over you by tricking you.
[00:51:51]  I'm kidding, by the way.
[00:51:53]  I'm kidding about me wanting to do that.
[00:51:54]  My point is.
[00:51:57]  Let me ask you a question so we can get through this.
[00:52:00]  If you have a group of people who live in an area and they are consuming all of the food available to them, and so it's not enough and they're starving, what will happen if you bring food to them?
[00:52:13]  They will become dependent on me.
[00:52:14]  Why?
[00:52:15]  Why?
[00:52:17]  Because I'll keep feeding them.
[00:52:20]  Why would they become dependent on you for food?
[00:52:22]  Because I would be providing them the resource and they wouldn't need an alternative because I'm providing them.
[00:52:27]  I thought they wouldn't need it.
[00:52:27]  Is it there isn't one?
[00:52:29]  So if you have starving people, And you say, we're going to go to an area where people can't produce enough food and bring food from somewhere else, they will need that forever.
[00:52:39]  And here's where it gets real good.
[00:52:42]  Do you know what those people will then do if you are feeding them consistently?
[00:52:47]  They will bite the hand that feeds you.
[00:52:48]  No.
[00:52:49]  What will people do when they have adequate food?
[00:52:52]  They're fat and lazy?
[00:52:53]  No.
[00:52:54]  Anybody?
[00:52:55]  Hey, phone a friend.
[00:52:56]  They'll have children.
[00:52:57]  They'll have children.
[00:52:58]  They'll make more people.
[00:53:00]  And then guess what?
[00:53:01]  Then they'll knock on your door and say, we have three new babies.
[00:53:04]  We need more food.
[00:53:05]  So, it is impossible, functionally, physically, and economically impossible to solve the hunger crisis because we don't live surrounded by Star Trek replicators.
[00:53:16]  If there is a region on the planet that produces, let's just say, 7 million calories, and you have a population that consumes that 7 million calories per year, they cannot produce more people beyond the amount of calories available for consumption.
[00:53:31]  If you then bring in artificially 1 million calories and they consume it, They will then reach population equilibrium with the artificial influx of food.
[00:53:41]  Then, when you take that food away, they will starve and you have more starving people and they will require a larger subsidy, creating an impossible and endless cycle.
[00:53:49]  But these people who post these videos, these are first order thinkers.
[00:53:53]  Mary Morgan said literacy was a mistake because people can't understand the things they're actually reading.
[00:53:58]  And sometimes I agree.
[00:54:00]  I don't know if I'd go so far, but man, sometimes you feel it.
[00:54:03]  Because this is how you get communists Zorhan Mamdani opening his stupid government grocery store.
[00:54:08]  Did you see this?
[00:54:09]  $30 million to open a 9,000 square foot grocery store in three years.
[00:54:15]  It takes a year and I think two to five million dollars to open a comparable grocery store in the private sector.
[00:54:21]  Mom Dhani then said, but actually, only bread, milk, and eggs are going to be reduced cost.
[00:54:26]  Everything else will be the same.
[00:54:28]  That's government.
[00:54:30]  It's not going to solve the problem.
[00:54:31]  He's going to create this, it's going to be like the DMV.
[00:54:35]  It's going to be like Pruitt Igo.
[00:54:37]  There's going to be crime, poverty, and theft.
[00:54:40]  The people who work there are going to look away if people are stealing everything.
[00:54:44]  It's going to struggle to make money.
[00:54:46]  The funny thing about it is that it's $30 million despite the fact they already own the land.
[00:54:51]  You know what I think it is?
[00:54:51]  No, I think it's Arun Mandani going to his buddy and being like, hey, man, I'm going to make you a millionaire.
[00:54:57]  You're going to do the contract work for us.
[00:54:58]  We're going to hire you, and I'm going to give you $30 million for it.
[00:55:01]  And his friend goes, I don't know, man.
[00:55:03]  It only costs $5 million to do the job.
[00:55:05]  Nah, that's how the government works.
[00:55:06]  You know, I wonder what would happen if somebody stole from the government owned grocery store and if Police got involved, would they get physical with him?
[00:55:14]  And then what Zorhan Mamdani's response would be to that?
[00:55:17]  Everything has shown us.
[00:55:19]  That's not going to happen.
[00:55:20]  I just, I love.
[00:55:21]  No, but he's just anti cop, I guess would be the.
[00:55:23]  And I love that she's just complaining about like basic functions of the first world.
[00:55:26]  It costs money to get a driver's license and to register my car.
[00:55:29]  I'm like, yeah, that's called winging America.
[00:55:33]  Speaking of is just a larger hopelessness that Gen Z has, right?
[00:55:37]  And it's because if you look at housing prices based off the median wage, it's gone astronomically since 1990.
[00:55:44]  That's true, but I will stress this.
[00:55:47]  There is a standard of life, of living, that Gen Z and millennials expect that did not exist for boomers and Gen X at the time.
[00:55:55]  And they want the luxuries as well as the excess.
[00:55:59]  And historically, it always got better for the next generation.
[00:56:03]  That is not true now.
[00:56:05]  And so I can understand some of that angst.
[00:56:07]  That being said, you can always move to rural West Virginia where you're two hours away from a bunch of major metros.
[00:56:14]  So if you move to, let's just say, you go slightly inland from the Eastern Panhandle in West Virginia.
[00:56:20]  You can find a bungalow for a hundred grand.
[00:56:23]  I know you don't have a hundred grand, but it's okay.
[00:56:25]  You can get it for $5,000 down, which means you do got to save up.
[00:56:28]  And then you're going to be spending $600 a month on your mortgage.
[00:56:31]  And you can farm, largely not need to make much money if you're growing your own food in your yard, which is not too difficult.
[00:56:39]  And then you get your car.
[00:56:40]  You can drive a couple hours to be in any major metro that you want.
[00:56:44]  I'm not saying it is preferable.
[00:56:46]  I'm not saying that it's good for our generation.
[00:56:48]  But to complain about, I got to pay tolls and I got to register my car and I got to do all these things, it's like.
[00:56:54]  Indeed, you do, but you could choose to do something else.
[00:56:57]  What she is saying is, I want luxuries, but cannot produce enough for society to give me ease of access.
[00:57:05]  I will never be on the side of a person who's like, I want more, but I can't produce.
[00:57:12]  That's called nature.
[00:57:13]  I'm sorry.
[00:57:14]  Have a nice day.
[00:57:15]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:57:16]  But to your point, that example, that's the most American way of living that there is, right?
[00:57:21]  Self subsistence.
[00:57:22]  Like, this is what Jefferson fought against Hamilton for.
[00:57:27]  Decentralization, the idea of an agrarian society.
[00:57:31]  And then you look at urban areas, like let's look at Fairfax County, Loudoun County, the spread Arlington through from DC, where now, okay, you go, you drive your Tesla, you eat your corporate slot bowl for $15 at lunch, maybe $20.
[00:57:46]  Then you go to your rented apartment that's owned by a private equity firm.
[00:57:50]  You'll own nothing and you'll be happy because you're consumed by your phone.
[00:57:53]  That's what that's derivative of.
[00:57:55]  Leave.
[00:57:56]  But I think she's articulating a completely different.
[00:57:59]  I agree that the root of this is nihilism, but.
[00:58:01]  I think there's like two splintering resolutions for this nihilism you're seeing among Zoomers.
[00:58:07]  Some Zoomers look to the right and they say, Well, I don't have meaning in my life.
[00:58:09]  Like, that's the issue.
[00:58:10]  I don't have meaning.
[00:58:11]  Everything feels like pointless.
[00:58:12]  I feel a void inside of myself.
[00:58:13]  That's not what she's articulating.
[00:58:14]  She's articulating a shortage of material items.
[00:58:17]  That's why she's finding difficulty participating.
[00:58:19]  So, in her instance, again, where I was like, She's having trouble sort of articulating what her problem is.
[00:58:24]  And she starts lashing out, like, again, first world amenities.
[00:58:27]  It's like, You would still be a loser even if you got all those things.
[00:58:32]  The thing she wants and just go to pure numbers.
[00:58:35]  She says, I require X amount of monetary units.
[00:58:39]  I only produce X minus five monetary units.
[00:58:42]  I am so mad at the United States.
[00:58:45]  The problem is, we as a nation, the West really subsidizes people who are net negative production.
[00:58:53]  Yes.
[00:58:53]  That ends in only the worst imaginable ways.
[00:58:58]  And people die.
[00:59:00]  So you have the thing about humans that's interesting that sets them apart from, say, deer.
[00:59:06]  A few years ago, we had a deer overpopulation issue in Western Maryland.
[00:59:10]  They had consumed all of the available food and reproduced like crazy.
[00:59:15]  So they were all very gaunt and sickly and slow.
[00:59:17]  And it caused a lot of car accidents.
[00:59:19]  And they were like, I guess the government, I think the government was saying, like, guys, you need to go hunt these deer.
[00:59:23]  There's too many.
[00:59:23]  It's deer.
[00:59:24]  It says, and go, you need to cull them so that they go below equilibrium so that they don't all be nasty, sickly, and diseased.
[00:59:32]  The problem is, deer walk around eating leaves and things like that, berries or whatever.
[00:59:38]  Humans rely on other humans for various tasks.
[00:59:42]  One human will gather, one human will hunt, one will make the fire in the shelter, and then we combine those resources.
[00:59:48]  Because of this mentality we've had, we have built a society that tries to subsidize everybody else because we're trying to be like, I'll provide for you, you provide for me.
[00:59:56]  The only problem is, in the wild, if one person was producing in detriment, a negative, they were consuming more than they were producing, it was tolerated only to a certain point until the society failed.
[01:00:07]  Or they cast that person out.
[01:00:08]  In modern society, where we don't know our neighbors and we don't talk, it's difficult to see who is a consumer and who is a producer.
[01:00:17]  This woman is complaining that she is a consumer who wants more.
[01:00:21]  The problem this is what leads to communism.
[01:00:24]  I am a producer.
[01:00:25]  I work an insane amount of time, I work 16 hours every day and sometimes on weekends.
[01:00:29]  They then come to me and say, We should take from you because you produce too much.
[01:00:33]  Okay, I'll stop and I'll just work the bare minimum.
[01:00:36]  So, what do I do?
[01:00:38]  Well, everything's expensive.
[01:00:39]  What did I do?
[01:00:40]  We moved out to West Virginia where land is cheap.
[01:00:42]  We build here where labor is cheaper.
[01:00:44]  And now we have a large property with a big studio at a much, much lower cost.
[01:00:49]  Instead, you know what I should have done?
[01:00:50]  I regret it.
[01:00:51]  I should have complained to the government and demanded that they steal the assets from wealthy people and give it to me so that I can have it.
[01:00:57]  Then I can live in the city.
[01:00:59]  That doesn't make sense.
[01:01:00]  No, it doesn't.
[01:01:01]  But it's also a system of design by how our government functions, right?
[01:01:04]  Because we give people things for free.
[01:01:06]  We subsidize, right?
[01:01:08]  To your point.
[01:01:08]  But until we change this whole thing where we provide basic necessities, but then you allow the individual to rise, which is what America was founded upon, that's the only way this works.
[01:01:18]  But we're in an over levered society right now.
[01:01:21]  We can't keep doing this.
[01:01:22]  Universal basic income will never work.
[01:01:23]  No, it won't at all.
[01:01:24]  It'll destroy.
[01:01:25]  But this plays into universal health care as well.
[01:01:28]  Sure.
[01:01:28]  You're subsidizing the health of individuals who can't pay for it themselves.
[01:01:33]  That system is guaranteed to collapse.
[01:01:35]  It's high school basic math.
[01:01:38]  Not even high school, it's grade school math.
[01:01:39]  Input is negative, output is positive, system goes bankrupt.
[01:01:43]  But when the medical cost ratios are mandated by governments for health insurers, rather, well, that system's all an artificial.
[01:01:51]  We can agree that the structure we have is broken, that the healthcare pricing makes no sense, and there's got to be a change to it.
[01:01:59]  But the idea that as a country you can guarantee all healthcare for everybody, not all, you know, basic.
[01:02:06]  I agree with basic.
[01:02:07]  Sure.
[01:02:08]  And my argument is if you break your wrist, you walk in, they set it for you.
[01:02:11]  Like, so you're saying how you would define it, just to be clear, like an urgent care setting type thing?
[01:02:17]  Okay.
[01:02:17]  I fully agree with that.
[01:02:18]  I think we should have publicly funded urgent care.
[01:02:22]  I love that.
[01:02:23]  And so that means your average, like, I've had to go to urgent care.
[01:02:26]  Yeah.
[01:02:27]  And it's not a big deal, it's not super expensive.
[01:02:30]  And I wouldn't mind paying the 40 bucks for somebody who needs to go in and see a doctor for 10, 15 minutes so they can get some Tamiflu and not die of the flu.
[01:02:36]  Yeah.
[01:02:36]  The problem with universal health care.
[01:02:38]  In the bigger picture, is that there are a lot of people with more complicated illnesses that require millions of dollars in treatments.
[01:02:44]  And we're never going to be able to cover all those, right?
[01:02:45]  Surgeries and other crazy things.
[01:02:47]  Or advanced treatments that if you have a little bit more money, you want to go down to Boca Raton, we're never going to be able to do that.
[01:02:52]  I think I don't see a big problem with stipend urgent care kind of systems where if you go to urgent care, here's what we have to be careful of.
[01:03:01]  If the government guarantees things to doctors, then people will overuse it.
[01:03:06]  Yes.
[01:03:07]  And it will result in perverse incentives.
[01:03:11]  Are you familiar with the old apocryphal story about the snakes in India or whatever?
[01:03:16]  Was it the snakes?
[01:03:16]  It was in India or something.
[01:03:18]  This is probably not the correct version.
[01:03:20]  I'll look it up.
[01:03:20]  But it's like the British colonials in India were like, we got a bunch of snakes in this village.
[01:03:25]  So they said to the villagers, if you bring us the heads of snakes, we will pay you for them.
[01:03:30]  This will wipe the snakes out.
[01:03:31]  So what did the villagers do?
[01:03:32]  They started breeding snakes.
[01:03:35]  Smart.
[01:03:36]  So you have to be careful about subsidizing things to create a perverse incentive.
[01:03:39]  Absolutely.
[01:03:40]  The general idea is there was a story about a 12 year old kid who got the flu, and the parents didn't know what to do and they couldn't afford to go to the hospital.
[01:03:47]  He died.
[01:03:48]  And they were like, it was just a bad flu.
[01:03:50]  And if they gave him even a little bit of medicine to get his femur down, he could have survived.
[01:03:53]  I'm like, that kid should not have died for that.
[01:03:54]  That's stupid.
[01:03:55]  Or the stories of people who like break a bone and they don't go to the hospital because they're like, I don't want to get a bill.
[01:04:00]  Or people who have emergencies and won't call an ambulance.
[01:04:04]  Yo, I had an emergency, I called a taxi.
[01:04:08]  I called a cab.
[01:04:09]  Yeah.
[01:04:09]  I was like, bro, I'm not spending 500 bucks.
[01:04:12]  So in 2014, I got a kidney stone hanging at my friend's house, and all of a sudden it felt like I got stabbed.
[01:04:17]  And I was like, oh my God, something's wrong.
[01:04:19]  And so I was like, the hospital's a half mile away.
[01:04:22]  I just used the NYC cab app and called a cab.
[01:04:25]  Yeah.
[01:04:25]  And I was like, you're in New York, though.
[01:04:27]  That's the thing.
[01:04:27]  They had cabs.
[01:04:28]  Yeah.
[01:04:29]  But I was like, I'll spend the 10 bucks on the cab.
[01:04:31]  I'm not spending 500 on an ambulance.
[01:04:32]  Exactly.
[01:04:32]  That's interesting.
[01:04:34]  That's kind of nuts.
[01:04:34]  But I do understand an ambulance is expensive.
[01:04:38]  So finding that balance is very difficult.
[01:04:40]  I think.
[01:04:41]  Universal basic health care, which is you are sick, a doctor will see you.
[01:04:46]  General care.
[01:04:47]  General care and emergency rooms, they're relatively cheap as it is.

=== Universal Basic Health Care Debate (14:59) ===

[01:04:52]  I don't think they will be overrun by people if we subsidize that to a certain degree.
[01:04:58]  To a certain degree, I say.
[01:04:59]  That means catastrophic, serious injuries that require deep surgery.
[01:05:02]  You're going to get treatment for you.
[01:05:04]  We're going to treat you.
[01:05:04]  We're not going to let you die.
[01:05:05]  We need to figure out how to absorb those costs without putting that on everybody else, which is what happens.
[01:05:11]  I don't know how you solve for this.
[01:05:12]  It's not easy.
[01:05:13]  So, how you do it is that we're giving away $1.5 trillion a year to Medicaid companies.
[01:05:19]  You look at a company like Centene, $150 billion.
[01:05:23]  We don't get anything in return.
[01:05:24]  So, going back to your point, we're.
[01:05:26]  When you say we get nothing in return, aren't we receiving the health care services in return?
[01:05:30]  Am I making something?
[01:05:31]  The people are, right?
[01:05:31]  So, it's a redistribution of the wealth.
[01:05:33]  We're paying on their behalf, though.
[01:05:34]  We're paying taxes to the government for then the government to send and just give away to then treat people who don't pay taxes.
[01:05:41]  Well, you want health care for everybody.
[01:05:42]  So, they're not just giving it away to people who presumably would need it.
[01:05:46]  But if 97% of revenue for, say, a centene comes from government distributions, well, we're in the negotiating seat.
[01:05:55]  We should get equity in it that builds, that grows, so that that company runs.
[01:05:59]  You want healthcare for everybody.
[01:06:01]  How else?
[01:06:01]  I'm trying to understand.
[01:06:02]  Basic healthcare.
[01:06:03]  If the government isn't the one providing that, then how else would you get there?
[01:06:07]  Because I think what you're explaining now is the government's already heavily involved, and we should.
[01:06:12]  In terms of giving money away, which is not capitalism.
[01:06:14]  I think providing healthcare for everybody would only get the government more involved.
[01:06:18]  With paying for these services and the healthcare companies would make even more money.
[01:06:22]  And the perverse incentive would pay more money.
[01:06:24]  But if we were to actually manage this as a fiduciary democracy rather than giving money away, which to me is socialism, we would be in a much better place.
[01:06:32]  What is it?
[01:06:33]  I mean, do you want a single payer system or a nationalized healthcare system to achieve healthcare for all?
[01:06:38]  No, I believe that corporate law and governance is more successful than we have been at our own governance, right?
[01:06:45]  That you have shareholders, you have fiduciary duty by the company to manage to the shareholders.
[01:06:50]  Okay, so we're going to disperse.
[01:06:53]  All these dollars to help people who need Medicaid, who are not going to pay taxes, right?
[01:06:57]  We know that.
[01:06:59]  Okay, the best company wins on that, but then we get equity in that company.
[01:07:03]  That grows.
[01:07:04]  It grows.
[01:07:05]  There can be disbursements for it.
[01:07:06]  We can all get a chance.
[01:07:07]  And if our equity in that company creates perverse incentives, then the government would have interest in giving contracts and awarding more contracts to that company because we have a stake in it.
[01:07:18]  The government already does this through lobbyists.
[01:07:20]  Politicians are bought and paid for by lobbyists based off the contracts they're going to get.
[01:07:25]  You want the United States to have a stake of ownership in these companies?
[01:07:27]  Yes, it will be a national trust fund, one that then does.
[01:07:30]  You want to nationalize.
[01:07:31]  Our healthcare industry.
[01:07:32]  No, that's not what I said at all.
[01:07:34]  That you would, a trust fund that would have equity in publicly traded companies by default can't be nationalized.
[01:07:39]  No, but just growing equity in these healthcare, they'd be like.
[01:07:43]  But so you're saying you want to just give money away?
[01:07:45]  That's a socialist perspective.
[01:07:46]  No, no.
[01:07:47]  I think that we should have government less involved in healthcare because I think they're the ones setting up perverse incentives and making healthcare costs more expensive by assuring these companies a lot of these contracts, as I understand it.
[01:07:58]  Well, I would say that's the entire employee based insurance system.
[01:08:01]  There is.
[01:08:01]  Well, there is like a narrow, but there is a right wing argument for health insurance.
[01:08:06]  And the primary one, obviously, there's like the nationalist arguments, like, well, healthy workforce means healthy military, et cetera.
[01:08:10]  But it's actually like if you get granular, is if you provide, I'm not arguing for this necessarily, I'm just presenting what the right wing argument would be is that if you provide public health care, the government now becomes directly incentivized and the health, they're directly interested in the health of their citizens and that it increases.
[01:08:25]  So, you know, there's all these MAHA rules.
[01:08:26]  It's population health management.
[01:08:27]  What you're seeing with MAHA now would be kicked on, you know, it'd be on steroids if the government now had stake in the health of the population.
[01:08:35]  Again, I don't know for sure if I subscribe to that, but that would be, in theory, you know, that's what people have presented as sort of the right wing argument for public health care.
[01:08:41]  But to that, and maybe this might make you change your perspective, is so we have this totally sickly population, right?
[01:08:48]  Look at our military aged men, right?
[01:08:51]  Okay.
[01:08:51]  We pay the most per capita for each individual patient that's, I forget the exact system.
[01:08:56]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:08:57]  And we know it's insane.
[01:08:58]  We pay more per person than countries with nationalized health care system.
[01:09:02]  Exactly.
[01:09:03]  Exactly.
[01:09:03]  Right.
[01:09:04]  And part of that's the overhead.
[01:09:05]  But another part is just our entire food processes to go through.
[01:09:09]  Through that.
[01:09:09]  And how did that happen?
[01:09:10]  Well, in the 90s, a guy I worked for, Blair Efron, who founded Centerview Partners, he did the merger between a very large tobacco company and then Nabisco.
[01:09:23]  It was the largest leveraged buyout at the time.
[01:09:25]  What they then did, and this was the plan because they knew the government was going to come in and start suing all the tobacco companies, they took those scientists behind the most addictive thing at the time, cigarettes, and put them on processed food.
[01:09:38]  And that's why we're all screwed up.
[01:09:40]  Because then that becomes addictive.
[01:09:42]  That started in the 90s.
[01:09:43]  Now look at where we're at now.
[01:09:44]  People live in food deserts.
[01:09:46]  The government's the problem with all of this because of how it's allocated capital, how it's enforced.
[01:09:52]  I think a lot of the sentiment that in the video that we were watching earlier, it's a sentiment that needs to be dealt with.
[01:10:00]  I think there's a grain of truth in her complaint, and it's that there is an affordability crisis for many in that country.
[01:10:08]  And the resentment that that breeds helps proliferate figures like Zorhan Mamdani.
[01:10:12]  Today's tax day, and he actually just announced a tax, a surcharge on homes valued above $5 million when there is no resident who lives primarily in New York City.
[01:10:21]  This is going to generate the city $500 million.
[01:10:24]  In revenue annually.
[01:10:25]  Would you support something like that?
[01:10:27]  No, absolutely not.
[01:10:28]  I believe our entire tax system is broken, that essentially the lawyer class or caste, as I call it, is captured, allowing then for corporations to screw around with tax codes more.
[01:10:39]  We should move to a consumption based tax.
[01:10:41]  The entire system of taxation is one that hurts the middle class.
[01:10:45]  It's designed to hurt the middle class.
[01:10:47]  But if we move to a consumption based taxation system, that's more fair.
[01:10:51]  Like, you have more money than me.
[01:10:52]  You want to buy a Lamborghini?
[01:10:53]  That's fine.
[01:10:53]  You have a lot more money than me.
[01:10:54]  You're a lawyer.
[01:10:55]  No, I've part of the lawyer classes you're railing against.
[01:10:58]  I was, I was, but I spent everything that I have to get here to be able to tell you this because this is a message that's just universal fairness.
[01:11:05]  It's not left or right, it's one that we have to structurally change this country.
[01:11:10]  One is consumption based tax.
[01:11:12]  Because, look, if I'm a rich guy and I have all this carried interest, I'm never going to pay the same tax that, like, my father is a military psychologist would pay.
[01:11:20]  That's not fair.
[01:11:22]  Sure.
[01:11:22]  Not everybody starts in the same place.
[01:11:23]  I saw also on your pamphlet that you gave me, Manifesto.
[01:11:28]  Manifesto, you're not taking any corporate PAC money.
[01:11:31]  Why is that?
[01:11:31]  I don't know.
[01:11:32]  Have you been offered any corporate PAC money to reject?
[01:11:36]  I have, um, not a significant amount, but how does that work though?
[01:11:40]  Do they come to you and they're like, We represent a PAC and we want to spend money on you, or do they write a check?
[01:11:44]  They'll say, We'll throw you a fundraiser.
[01:11:46]  And so, what happens is you say, You know, I'm thinking about running for office, maybe you tweet about it, right?
[01:11:52]  First consultants come to me, they say, Okay, you're young, you're charismatic, you're gonna be able to raise a lot of money.
[01:11:56]  We're gonna take 15% of what you raise, put it in a bank account, you'll get that after the election.
[01:12:01]  I thought, Oh, that's how the control first begins.
[01:12:05]  I was thinking about running for Congress.
[01:12:07]  Then we ran a poll because why does no one challenge this guy, Mark Warner?
[01:12:10]  He said he was gonna run for two terms, now he's running for four.
[01:12:13]  He's 71, he really hasn't done anything.
[01:12:15]  All his donors are corporations, the banking class, former bosses.
[01:12:21]  So I run against him, but then I realized no one runs against this guy.
[01:12:25]  Because it's by design.
[01:12:26]  So they try to take you out.
[01:12:28]  And the Democratic Party has so many ways of doing this, whether it's signature fraud, petition fraud, which makes me wonder where all these votes come from.
[01:12:36]  Well, let's talk about your story because you're a Democrat, but they kicked you out.
[01:12:39]  Yes.
[01:12:39]  Why?
[01:12:40]  They kicked me out.
[01:12:41]  One, I disagreed with gerrymandering.
[01:12:43]  And so Senator Louise Lucas, the head of the Virginia State Senate, came out against me with that.
[01:12:49]  Wow.
[01:12:49]  And then I was instructed by someone within the party to hire a certain guy to help get signatures because you need 10,000 signatures to get on the ballot, right?
[01:12:58]  Yeah.
[01:12:59]  Well, the party is the one that vets the signatures.
[01:13:02]  So I start looking through these signatures.
[01:13:03]  I see my own name on there.
[01:13:05]  Whoa.
[01:13:05]  Uh huh.
[01:13:06]  What?
[01:13:06]  Yeah.
[01:13:07]  So I develop an AI to do some handwriting analysis, send it to a forensics guy.
[01:13:11]  Majority of these are forged.
[01:13:13]  It turns out petition signature getting fraud is a very common thing.
[01:13:17]  It's cottage industry.
[01:13:18]  Yeah.
[01:13:19]  So they'll get the first like two, three signatures on a page.
[01:13:21]  Then it's called tabling.
[01:13:23]  The group will then fill it out to you.
[01:13:25]  Pass it around and like.
[01:13:26]  Yeah.
[01:13:27]  And then you can look at it and just see.
[01:13:28]  So if I had turned those in and hadn't realized that, they either could have destroyed me at that point.
[01:13:32]  Or had control over me for my entire political career.
[01:13:35]  Wow.
[01:13:36]  Because then they come back to you and they say, hey, guess what?
[01:13:38]  You committed fraud.
[01:13:39]  You work for us now or go to prison.
[01:13:41]  And that's what they do to everyone, which is why when Santos, who was just here, and he said I was going to have a blast, so, you know, and I am, but he said 500 out of 538 are compromised in the House.
[01:13:50]  Like, that's true.
[01:13:52]  It's by design to represent the people, you're compromised.
[01:13:56]  So they, you were, what is it, act blue?
[01:13:59]  That's what happened.
[01:14:00]  Like, you were collecting donations and they just cut you off.
[01:14:03]  And you were a Democrat.
[01:14:05]  Yeah, I was.
[01:14:05]  And you have 14 days to file your paperwork to switch to an independent.
[01:14:09]  They cut me off within an hour of dropping the video saying I was going to do that.
[01:14:13]  Then the next platform, Numero, they dropped me too.
[01:14:15]  I'm trying to understand.
[01:14:16]  So you have to use WinRed.
[01:14:18]  Would they let you use WinRed?
[01:14:19]  I bet they would.
[01:14:21]  This is crazy.
[01:14:22]  Why?
[01:14:22]  He's literally a Democrat that got kicked out, though.
[01:14:24]  Because the Republicans, this is what the Republicans do.
[01:14:26]  I'm a patriot.
[01:14:27]  I consider myself America only, that my view is.
[01:14:30]  Republicans.
[01:14:31]  No, no, no.
[01:14:32]  Republicans would come out and you would get one of the members of Congress saying it is a disgrace that they removed him from the ability to fundraise for no justifiable reason.
[01:14:42]  This platform is supposed to be neutral fundraising.
[01:14:45]  This should be illegal.
[01:14:46]  Well, let's talk about it in a larger picture, right?
[01:14:49]  If this is all by design in a theoretical crazy world, right?
[01:14:52]  Well, every college campus that I'm scheduled at gets canceled a day before.
[01:14:56]  I find out Mark Warner hires the head of the college Dems to become an intern.
[01:15:00]  He hired 500 across Virginia, so I can't speak to colleges.
[01:15:04]  Then we have the signature stuff, and now we have the payment processors.
[01:15:08]  It's a system by design.
[01:15:09]  It's RICO.
[01:15:09]  This was during the primary, the Democrat primary, okay, where they were trying to squeeze you out because he's an incumbent, obviously.
[01:15:15]  Exactly.
[01:15:15]  And he's also the main fundraising arm for the DNC.
[01:15:17]  That makes a lot of sense.
[01:15:18]  I want to ask, though, it's a bit curious because the U.S. Senate is quite ambitious.
[01:15:21]  Yes.
[01:15:22]  You haven't served in public office prior to this, as I understand.
[01:15:24]  Why aren't you going for something lower level?
[01:15:26]  This race is a long shot.
[01:15:27]  It makes me, I'm a little bit cynical.
[01:15:29]  It makes me question why you're even running.
[01:15:31]  But I mean, what is the purpose of running?
[01:15:33]  And then why not run for something, a lower office, a little bit, somewhere where you might be able to actually win?
[01:15:38]  Sure.
[01:15:38]  First, I was going to run for Congress initially against Don Byer in the 8th District.
[01:15:42]  He's 76.
[01:15:43]  Sold my dad a lemon of Volvo, so I have some anger against him.
[01:15:46]  You know all these politicians, man.
[01:15:48]  You're kind of sketching.
[01:15:49]  I mean, I grew up in McLean, Virginia.
[01:15:50]  What do you expect?
[01:15:51]  I was produced by the beast, which is why I hate it.
[01:15:54]  And I look at it, and the system is by design to pick the worst amongst us to represent us, right?
[01:16:00]  Because only people who are willing to sacrifice their morals and values will run for office.
[01:16:05]  And they get compromised every day.
[01:16:06]  So, what happened in that race?
[01:16:07]  So, you couldn't primary him?
[01:16:09]  Oh, no, no, I could have, but we ran a poll because I was just genuinely curious.
[01:16:12]  Why does no one challenge Mark Warner?
[01:16:13]  Why is he running for a fourth?
[01:16:15]  Because he's an incumbent, and Democrats would rather go after competitive races to try to build their coalition.
[01:16:19]  I mean, that's just the basic.
[01:16:20]  To me, it's Virginia, right?
[01:16:22]  Like, let the best ideas win.
[01:16:23]  I believe that we should live in a society where we have the best ideas.
[01:16:25]  But you understand why these political groups would want to fuck money, not for people to primary their incumbents.
[01:16:32]  They want to.
[01:16:32]  Or it's that he has dementia, and then what happens is after three, six, 12 months.
[01:16:37]  He steps down, says he wants to spend more time with his family, and then Spanberger gets to a point.
[01:16:42]  Whoever, let's say, you know, a woman named Dorothy McAuliffe.
[01:16:45]  Backdoor dealing.
[01:16:45]  Yeah.
[01:16:46]  You're totally right.
[01:16:46]  That's what it is.
[01:16:47]  So, and I can't, I don't want to live with it.
[01:16:49]  What do you hope to achieve, though, with this campaign?
[01:16:51]  You're a long shot, to say the least.
[01:16:53]  The message.
[01:16:54]  The message is that things by design are screwed up.
[01:16:57]  This two party system is what Washington warned us against, right?
[01:17:00]  That it'll create artificial division.
[01:17:02]  Like all of us, we would identify with different parties right here at this table, but we're only given two options.
[01:17:07]  And I look at it as now is the right time for a new political party, one that puts America first.
[01:17:12]  America only, and then we can deal with the rest of the world.
[01:17:15]  Why did the progression from being a Democrat to being America first and America only?
[01:17:20]  A few months ago, you were a Democrat.
[01:17:22]  Why not?
[01:17:22]  That's quite the evolution.
[01:17:23]  Why don't you just browse Republican?
[01:17:25]  Well, I very much disagree with the enforcement of ICE that I look at it as one that it.
[01:17:32]  There's a guy now.
[01:17:33]  His name is Victor.
[01:17:35]  Day labor.
[01:17:36]  He gets his ass beat, pulled over the side of the road, speeding.
[01:17:38]  I speed all the time, but he gets beat.
[01:17:40]  They hurt him so much, they maim his hand.
[01:17:42]  And I asked him, do you think they did that on purpose?
[01:17:44]  He said, yeah.
[01:17:45]  He gets thrown in the Farmville detention facility for 60 days, right?
[01:17:48]  Like, I look at this, okay, one thing, but let's look at the technology of how they got him.
[01:17:55]  The surveillance state is what's slowly encroaching around us all.
[01:17:59]  We have maybe two years left before we have seven tech oligarchs controlling us, right?
[01:18:04]  So all that tech's being used by ICE right now, and we're divided over illegal, white, brown, whatever, when we're losing the bigger picture that this country, if it was founded on the premise of a rebellion against oligarchy, well, we're allowing ourselves to consolidate into oligarchy.
[01:18:20]  But the problem is, like with the demographic trends in the United States, like any conservative politician is going to increasingly have a tougher.
[01:18:26]  Pathway to victory.
[01:18:27]  I mean, that's kind of the whole impetus.
[01:18:28]  Ice, like, that's why I ran as a Democrat.
[01:18:30]  Well, yeah, I'm like, I'm sure Ice, like, okay, yeah, there are these instances of brutality or whatever.
[01:18:34]  Like, I'm not denying that.
[01:18:35]  And I'm like, you know, I'm a pretty staunch, you know, anti immigration guy.
[01:18:40]  But as I see it, I mean, look, you, it has to get done because for anyone that's concerned, even if you're, if you're really concerned about a surveillance state and that sort of thing, with the current demographic trends in the United States, it's just going to be completely unfeasible for a candidate on that platform to even win.
[01:18:52]  Do you, do you support Ice?
[01:18:54]  No.
[01:18:55]  Why not?
[01:18:56]  Surveillance state.
[01:18:57]  The technology they're using, the flock cameras that feed into the Palantir database, that is going to come against us all soon.
[01:19:03]  Should illegal immigrants who've committed crimes in our country be deported?
[01:19:07]  Absolutely.
[01:19:08]  Okay.
[01:19:08]  I've told you.
[01:19:10]  I shouldn't have the.
[01:19:11]  No, no, no.
[01:19:11]  A lot, a lot, a lot.
[01:19:12]  I take offense to your question.
[01:19:13]  Why?
[01:19:14]  Because you're censored.
[01:19:15]  Should any illegal immigrant be deported?
[01:19:18]  Well, I wanted to get the gradations first.
[01:19:20]  I wanted to make it.
[01:19:21]  I'm just like, I get it.
[01:19:22]  I'm just tired of that talking point where.
[01:19:25]  Trump said we're going to deport everybody.
[01:19:26]  And then Democrats came out and said, Trump said he was only going to arrest criminals.
[01:19:30]  Like, what?
[01:19:30]  No, he's going to deport everyone.
[01:19:32]  Your position seems self defeating.
[01:19:33]  If you want to deport illegal criminal aliens, you want to use any technology available to do so.
[01:19:38]  And then just like the cop out being like, oh, well, I don't want Palantir to have our data.
[01:19:42]  That's the most effective way to do it.
[01:19:43]  If you actually want mass deportations, then you're going to have to use some data collection technologies.
[01:19:48]  And I don't understand.
[01:19:49]  But that's going to be used against all of us.

=== Mass Deportations Irrespective of Law (12:07) ===

[01:19:52]  That's the thing.
[01:19:52]  I mean, soon we'll have social credit.
[01:19:54]  I'm going to be deported soon.
[01:19:55]  Is that what you're talking about?
[01:19:56]  Yeah, but hold on.
[01:19:57]  But like, this is not an immigration issue.
[01:19:59]  That's what you say.
[01:20:00]  The issue of immigration is not emboldening the AI companies and the surveillance state.
[01:20:04]  That's happening irrespective of the illegal immigration.
[01:20:06]  So, why not at least say we can solve the illegal immigration issue and then we'll deal with the other stuff after the fact?
[01:20:11]  Oh, I fully believe we can solve the illegal immigration issue.
[01:20:14]  We should have closed borders.
[01:20:15]  We should have the safest and most secure borders that there are.
[01:20:19]  Why do we not?
[01:20:19]  What do we do about the millions?
[01:20:21]  Like on the street?
[01:20:22]  I mean, lasers, all of this stuff, right?
[01:20:24]  Like, whatever.
[01:20:25]  Come on.
[01:20:25]  We're the United States of America.
[01:20:26]  Great.
[01:20:27]  The border's shut, but we have tens of millions of illegals in our country right now.
[01:20:30]  And then you go after it.
[01:20:32]  Through the employers first, right?
[01:20:33]  Like, you can offer an amount of money to have people self deport, and I fully believe most will self deport because they don't have money.
[01:20:39]  Well, Trump did do that, and I agree with that.
[01:20:40]  But how?
[01:20:41]  A lot of people did do it.
[01:20:42]  But how are we able to determine who's employing legal immigrants without scraping data?
[01:20:45]  I mean, it's going to be inevitable.
[01:20:46]  Like, there's no other way.
[01:20:48]  Random raids on businesses.
[01:20:49]  Well, I mean, you could either.
[01:20:50]  Just kick the door in, just grab the business.
[01:20:52]  I think if the two propositions are random door to door raids of businesses, irrespective of if there's any tips or whatever, versus surveillance state, I mean, I think the surveillance state is actually preferable than just like random door to door raids.
[01:21:03]  You support American hegemony.
[01:21:05]  Palantir is involved heavily in our military.
[01:21:07]  Do you support their involvement in our military and their data collection?
[01:21:11]  That's what helps prop up.
[01:21:13]  Well, I mean, we know that's going to be a massive issue in the future, right?
[01:21:16]  Like 10 years from now, people will be talking about egregious violations of certain various codes that Palantir did in warfare fighting activities.
[01:21:24]  I'm just trying to understand this is what helps us give us the military edge, and you don't want us to use it?
[01:21:29]  So, what gives us the military edge is not fighting, it's the threat.
[01:21:34]  Of force, we have entirely decimated our shipbuilding industry.
[01:21:39]  As far as Palantir is used in our military, they help us make the military be more effective.
[01:21:45]  I mean, if they can detect a harpy from 100 miles away, like I'm all for that, right?
[01:21:49]  Okay, but that data could be used against us, though.
[01:21:51]  Eventually, down the line, the big bad government can use it.
[01:21:53]  Yeah, no, but seriously, imagine.
[01:21:55]  But do we have politicians talking about that?
[01:21:56]  Like, do we have anyone having an honest debate about this now?
[01:21:59]  I think it's good.
[01:21:59]  I think it helps the military.
[01:22:00]  I think it helps ICE.
[01:22:01]  We have leftists.
[01:22:02]  Okay, I'm just gonna say this Palantir is big.
[01:22:04]  You are identifying real problems in the expansion of the technology surveillance state.
[01:22:08]  We can't do anything about it.
[01:22:09]  We are barreling head first towards a tech apocalypse, a dystopian nightmare.
[01:22:15]  But it's going to happen.
[01:22:16]  There's nothing we can do.
[01:22:17]  Like, there's no reality where a bunch of, like, a million Americans with torches shut down the data centers, shut down these tech companies.
[01:22:26]  Literally never going to happen.
[01:22:27]  It is integrated in our economy.
[01:22:28]  Our adversaries use it against us.
[01:22:30]  We use it against them.
[01:22:31]  It is the nature of reality right now and will get worse.
[01:22:34]  But even, even, we shouldn't use it to deport illegal immigrants.
[01:22:37]  You'll never tell.
[01:22:37]  Well, because irrespective of that, I mean, irrespective of that, it's like, okay, without mass deportations, because we're going to get, we're not going to get the birthright citizenship ruling.
[01:22:46]  It's just not going to happen.
[01:22:47]  So without mass deportations, We're not going to have a country in 10.
[01:22:50]  It doesn't matter.
[01:22:51]  Like, it's kind of over.
[01:22:52]  The clock, we probably ran out of time 10 years ago as far as like immigration enforcement.
[01:22:56]  So, I'm kind of willing to break glass in case of emergency in this instance.
[01:22:59]  Yeah.
[01:22:59]  I'm just kind of wondering why this is like your ground zero for that.
[01:23:03]  Cause I look at it, we have two years till this is all over.
[01:23:05]  Like, this is not this.
[01:23:08]  He's right.
[01:23:09]  I've been talking about the AI stuff and people just don't get it.
[01:23:13]  It blows my mind when I bring up the AI stuff and people are like, no, I don't think so.
[01:23:17]  I had a conversation with Joe Robbins a few years ago and he asked me what I thought about.
[01:23:21]  About AI and this video stuff.
[01:23:22]  And I poo pooed it.
[01:23:24]  And I said, I'm not really worried about the deep fake stuff and the videos.
[01:23:27]  Like, I think people are smart.
[01:23:29]  And here we are today.
[01:23:30]  And I was like, boy, was I wrong about that.
[01:23:32]  It is, industries are going to get wiped out overnight.
[01:23:35]  We talked about this a couple of nights ago.
[01:23:36]  The technology that these companies have would end like administrative jobs, managerial jobs will be gone right now.
[01:23:44]  The easiest example without rehashing everything.
[01:23:46]  It is harder to produce a Hollywood quality song than it is.
[01:23:51]  To manage an office with like 10 employees handling insurance accounts.
[01:23:55]  Yeah.
[01:23:56]  The management job is tedious.
[01:23:58]  It doesn't require the greatest of minds to do something.
[01:24:01]  And I think most people who do those jobs would agree that it's largely just about doing busy work.
[01:24:05]  AI can already automate that.
[01:24:07]  And they've intentionally held those capabilities back because it would gut like a quarter of the economy overnight.
[01:24:13]  At least.
[01:24:14]  They released all of the tech, the video and audio stuff because this doesn't have, it won't gut a large portion of the economy.
[01:24:21]  It will gut the Hollywood.
[01:24:24]  Music and Hollywood are in trouble, but that's not going to burn the US economy down the way the administrative work will.
[01:24:30]  Two years from now, just watch, it is going to be insane.
[01:24:34]  In China, and even in the United States, they have factories for distribution, kind of like Amazon.
[01:24:40]  I don't know if Amazon is doing it specifically.
[01:24:42]  I think Amazon is.
[01:24:43]  They're pitch black and there are no lights inside.
[01:24:44]  Have you seen these?
[01:24:45]  No.
[01:24:45]  They're big windowless blocks, and inside, little robots are going around moving boxes and bringing them to trucks for delivery.
[01:24:52]  They don't need lights inside because the robots don't use visible spectrum to see where they're going.
[01:24:57]  They use infrared.
[01:24:59]  So we don't need to waste electricity.
[01:25:01]  These are just big black boxes.
[01:25:04]  We are heading to this future.
[01:25:06]  I don't even know if it's fair to say we have two years.
[01:25:08]  What we are seeing in the media landscape, you know what?
[01:25:11]  I'll say this.
[01:25:11]  Maybe the alarm bells are ringing for me because I'm watching it happen in real time with YouTube and AI generated content.
[01:25:17]  Yeah.
[01:25:17]  I guess just my question is why is ICE the sticking point?
[01:25:20]  Because I mean, like, I agree.
[01:25:20]  I mean, I do agree that, you know, there is a potential.
[01:25:23]  You know, risk involved with that.
[01:25:24]  Because he's trying to attract moderate voters that are concerned about ICE.
[01:25:26]  What?
[01:25:27]  I was a Democrat until a month ago?
[01:25:29]  That was the question I get asked, right?
[01:25:30]  Like, honestly, do I think that that's that important?
[01:25:32]  No, not at all.
[01:25:34]  But that's what the president ran on.
[01:25:36]  He ran on mass deportations.
[01:25:37]  And that's holding you from running as a Republican, is purely, I mean, not purely, but like the number one thing is ICE, is the first thing that you cited.
[01:25:43]  Well, that was the first thing I said.
[01:25:44]  But more structurally, I think both parties are screwed.
[01:25:46]  There's a fracture on the right, but there's a left to be fractured.
[01:25:49]  I want to break the entire Democratic establishment.
[01:25:51]  I look at it if there were to be.
[01:25:54]  A movement, one America only, America first, what have you, right?
[01:25:58]  Because that branding is fractured from the right.
[01:26:00]  To take the infrastructure of the Libertarian Party, well, that party now can compete, ballot access all 50 states, boom.
[01:26:07]  That's something that will then siphon off votes from the.
[01:26:10]  How is being against ICE an America first and America only position?
[01:26:14]  It's the surveillance.
[01:26:15]  It's through the surveillance?
[01:26:16]  Yeah.
[01:26:17]  I mean, I guess the government shouldn't have a military.
[01:26:19]  Are you opposed to the FBI doing the same thing?
[01:26:21]  Well, I think the FBI is one of, and the CIA, the two worst organizations that we've ever had that have created significant.
[01:26:27]  Should we abolish all of it?
[01:26:29]  Well, I think it's time to start thinking about new systems of government, right?
[01:26:33]  But specifically agencies.
[01:26:35]  Like bureaucracy happens because over time, things get entrenched.
[01:26:41]  People make decisions and worse gets worse and worse.
[01:26:44]  Like, come on, look at the CIA.
[01:26:46]  When have they ever been successful, right?
[01:26:47]  Bunch of guys from Princeton never been able to do anything.
[01:26:51]  They recently rescued, I think it was at least two airmen in Iran, thanks to the surveillance of the CIA.
[01:26:57]  And probably Palantir was heavily involved.
[01:26:59]  I don't know.
[01:27:00]  Is that crazy?
[01:27:00]  But why isn't the United States military doing that, right?
[01:27:03]  Why isn't the National Guard enforcing the border?
[01:27:06]  The CIA provided the information.
[01:27:08]  We had Maduro's entire house mapped.
[01:27:10]  Yeah.
[01:27:10]  And they got him in how quickly, right?
[01:27:13]  45 minutes.
[01:27:14]  I'm saying these are good things that the CIA is doing.
[01:27:16]  I think the military should be doing this.
[01:27:17]  I don't think we should have a CIA.
[01:27:19]  But the military is going to contract with Palantir.
[01:27:21]  It's a distinction without a difference.
[01:27:23]  You just want the CIA under the Pentagon.
[01:27:24]  I agree there's problems with the three letter agencies.
[01:27:26]  I'm just contesting that the surveillance state is the reason why there's issues with.
[01:27:30]  With the CIA, with the FBI.
[01:27:31]  I mean, I think there's a more structural.
[01:27:33]  Oh, no, no, the CIA is, I believe, managerial.
[01:27:35]  And when you talk about the CIA, well, that gets directly to Virginia politics, that they're installing candidates in there.
[01:27:42]  Wasn't Spanberger a former CIA agent?
[01:27:45]  You know, so.
[01:27:46]  And you voted for her.
[01:27:46]  Mm hmm.
[01:27:47]  It's just.
[01:27:47]  She was a colleague of my father's.
[01:27:50]  But you're railing against the CIA, where.
[01:27:52]  And she used to be an agent.
[01:27:53]  Yeah, I'm a bit of a rebel.
[01:27:55]  Yeah, you're kind of all over the place.
[01:27:57]  I don't know if I'm confused.
[01:28:00]  I mean, I guess, again, you were a Democrat a month ago, so it's going through an evolution.
[01:28:04]  Abigail Spanberger was a CAA officer serving as a case officer and operations officer, as well as special agent.
[01:28:09]  She was involved in the assassination of several world leaders in various South American countries, where she personally slit the throat of Adam Allen.
[01:28:17]  I'm kidding.
[01:28:18]  I made all that up.
[01:28:19]  No, he was getting too good.
[01:28:20]  I was going to do it.
[01:28:23]  Wait a minute.
[01:28:24]  Wait a damn minute.
[01:28:25]  Yeah, I would have just worn out for her.
[01:28:27]  Could you imagine her like, Swinging into like the Generalissimo's bedroom on like a rope, like decked out in gear.
[01:28:33]  She pulls out a knife and he's like, No!
[01:28:36]  And then I would have been door knocking, pamphleting.
[01:28:40]  I guess I can't really tell what you're doing.
[01:28:41]  So she's watching right now and she goes, I did.
[01:28:43]  Well, you're trying to frame what I believe in a left versus right narrative, right?
[01:28:48]  Like, I don't ascribe to that.
[01:28:49]  I look at it as America, to me, is the most important thing that there is, right?
[01:28:54]  So that's the advancement of American interests and American people.
[01:28:57]  I believe our interests are misspent outside of this sphere.
[01:29:01]  That's why I made the comment about Mexico and Canada.
[01:29:04]  I think we should focus a little bit closer to ourselves first.
[01:29:07]  Let's solve those problems, right?
[01:29:08]  We won't need any immigrants.
[01:29:10]  We won't need a manufacturing base if we were to develop or, you know, acquire Mexico, right?
[01:29:15]  Natural resources, boom.
[01:29:17]  It's the only country I don't want to acquire.
[01:29:19]  Yeah, that'd be, that's like a demographic.
[01:29:21]  What's the point of the border if we just, we move the border down to.
[01:29:24]  I guess, I guess my question is like, it's a tough position because, like, okay, I understand what you're saying.
[01:29:31]  You know, it's not about right versus left.
[01:29:33]  You know, it's about, you know, it's like the anti elite kind of framing, but, The problem is, if you have a dispensation against immigration or illegal immigration in this instance, like you want deportation of legal immigrants, that's going to put you squarely on the right.
[01:29:43]  It's going to put a target on your back from the left.
[01:29:45]  So it's like for most people, they never assign themselves on the right or assign themselves on the left.
[01:29:49]  It's just that certain policies that you ascribe to are just going to firmly put you in that camp.
[01:29:53]  And so I just, I don't think it's, I don't know how productive it would be to try and like escape that paradigm because it's like you're already kind of penned in by default because of your policy.
[01:30:03]  I think we should make being Democrat illegal.
[01:30:05]  I agree.
[01:30:05]  They did for him.
[01:30:07]  Well, you know, like they did it before I could.
[01:30:09]  I'm kidding, but like the way you described it, it's rigged.
[01:30:13]  Yeah.
[01:30:13]  It's like all of these politicians are corrupt.
[01:30:15]  Look at Swalwell.
[01:30:17]  Yeah.
[01:30:17]  I mean, this guy is now accused of drugging and raping women.
[01:30:21]  Like, wow.
[01:30:22]  And the conspiracy theory is that those videos of him with these hookers were part of the recruitment process.
[01:30:28]  It is.
[01:30:29]  They say, if you like, this is a conspiracy theory, but they say, if you want to hold office, we're going to film you with hookers.
[01:30:36]  That way you won't betray us.
[01:30:38]  And then they use it against them when they want to dispose of them.
[01:30:40]  Mark, is that what they made you do?
[01:30:43]  I already did that.
[01:30:43]  Oh, no, he did that by choice.
[01:30:45]  I did that myself prior.
[01:30:46]  You were on the F Boy show.
[01:30:48]  What was the F Boy Island hosted by Nikki Glazer?
[01:30:51]  But no, the systems of control are all around us, right?
[01:30:54]  So now, if someone, an enterprising young mind, wanted to look into Mark Warner and figure out how he had such a meteor, meteoric rise in 1980 from Harvard Law to head of fundraising for the DNC and what was his used car dealership in Chesapeake, Virginia doing?
[01:31:11]  How much money did he make?
[01:31:12]  Who was he, to use the term quote unquote, laundering?
[01:31:16]  Is what I've heard.
[01:31:17]  Was he laundering money?
[01:31:17]  Who was he laundering it for?
[01:31:19]  Did that help his rise?
[01:31:20]  And then did he just continue on in a legacy of Democratic politicians who become compromised?
[01:31:25]  Even the Clintons did.
[01:31:26]  What are you saying?
[01:31:27]  He laundered money?
[01:31:28]  I'm asking the question.
[01:31:29]  That's what people tell me.
[01:31:31]  That's what people tell you.
[01:31:32]  That he had a car dealership in Chesapeake, Virginia in the early 80s where he was making 600K laundering money for the mob because the mob was the main financier of the DNC, organized labor.
[01:31:43]  Interesting.
[01:31:43]  This is the Democrat machine behind the scenes.
[01:31:45]  I guess it would make sense why they'd want to keep him around.
[01:31:47]  Correct.
[01:31:48]  And also why he wants to stay around.
[01:31:50]  Why would a 71 year old who has $250 million want to keep working?
[01:31:55]  Ego.
[01:31:56]  That's why.
[01:31:56]  Why does anybody want to be a politician?
[01:31:58]  Why do you want to be a politician?

=== Geopolitical Realignment and Money Laundering (13:36) ===

[01:31:59]  People say they want to help the people, but in my experience covering campaigns of all these different positions, it's all self aggrandizing at the end.
[01:32:08]  I mean, I could be an investment banker right now and have a lot of money.
[01:32:11]  I would go back to it.
[01:32:12]  I mean, you're running a good speed race.
[01:32:14]  Now, because merging companies together is like an affront to liberty, it's just a natural decline of society.
[01:32:20]  Right.
[01:32:20]  Well, so my prediction, Ilad, is that in the next couple of years, he will be the Democratic Party.
[01:32:27]  The Democratic Party is going to be shattered.
[01:32:30]  Their apparatus is not going to make sense.
[01:32:31]  People are going to be craving something moderate.
[01:32:33]  It's going to be a prime opportunity for people like Joe Kent, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. to realign the Democratic Party.
[01:32:40]  So he's getting involved now at the ground level when the Democratic Party's in disarray and infighting over Hassan Piker.
[01:32:45]  But the problem is, you're always going to be ejected every day until Sunday.
[01:32:48]  Again, if you just hold basic positions like I think illegal immigrants should be deported in mass.
[01:32:51]  And I'm not saying I don't know what your position is, but if you're pro life or if you're skeptical of trans stuff, you're out.
[01:32:57]  Yes, but the point is, he is going to start building a following among moderate Democrats who don't like those things.
[01:33:03]  And be part of a realignment that may be coming.
[01:33:05]  I don't know if it is, but may be coming in the next couple of years where more and more Democrats who are moderates and having conversations but disagree with us gain prominence.
[01:33:14]  I mean, it's a fourth turning theory, right?
[01:33:16]  Every 80 years, a realignment.
[01:33:17]  Well, that's more about people killing each other and going to war.
[01:33:21]  But also, if the concern is.
[01:33:23]  No, no, the Strassau generational theory is dictating that in two years we will be in a full scale war.
[01:33:28]  Yeah, we will.
[01:33:30]  I mean, I think you get that, right?
[01:33:32]  Here we go.
[01:33:33]  Look at this story from Reuters.
[01:33:34]  Pentagon approaches automakers and manufacturers to boost weapon production.
[01:33:40]  World War III.
[01:33:41]  Trump cut off China in the Strait of Hormuz.
[01:33:44]  And you've got Hegseth saying, or I'm sorry, it wasn't Hegseth, it was Miller saying, we can do this indefinitely.
[01:33:50]  We will choke out Iran.
[01:33:51]  But really, he's saying China.
[01:33:53]  Sooner or later, China says, we cannot wait any longer.
[01:33:56]  And moves get made.
[01:33:58]  The Pentagon going to automakers saying, can you guys make weapons?
[01:34:01]  Sounds a whole lot like more war is coming.
[01:34:03]  Trump talking about, or the Trump admin preparing for an invasion of Cuba.
[01:34:07]  If Trump moves into Cuba, do you think China moves into Taiwan?
[01:34:10]  No.
[01:34:11]  No.
[01:34:12]  I think we're defeating this access in detail by taking them on individually.
[01:34:17]  And then down the line, China just wouldn't have any allies if they did try to bog us down in war.
[01:34:21]  Russia's bogged down in Ukraine.
[01:34:23]  We took Venezuela off the map.
[01:34:24]  I think Russia's on Trump's team.
[01:34:26]  The three biggest beneficiaries of the Iran war are.
[01:34:30]  Saudi Aramco, ExxonMobil, and Gazprom.
[01:34:33]  Well, and always has been corporations.
[01:34:34]  No, no, no, no.
[01:34:35]  This is Russia, Gazprom, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Aramco, and ExxonMobil, the United States.
[01:34:40]  These three countries are the principal energy producers.
[01:34:42]  Venezuela was taken out of the picture.
[01:34:44]  Trump sees that.
[01:34:45]  Right now, this war is a detriment to every other country.
[01:34:49]  It looks like Trump went to the Saudis, he went to the Russians, and he said, We make all the energy, we should run the world.
[01:34:56]  So Europe is screwed.
[01:34:58]  They're freaking out and pissed off.
[01:34:59]  You've got China freaking out and pissed off.
[01:35:02]  Everybody outside of the major energy producers is freaking off.
[01:35:05]  Freaking out and pissed off.
[01:35:06]  Well, he's hurting China.
[01:35:08]  That's the goal, right?
[01:35:09]  Like, again, to the 5D chess point, like, I agree with him on this, right?
[01:35:13]  But doesn't this present the potential?
[01:35:15]  China then says, we're about to get crushed.
[01:35:18]  We have to go to war.
[01:35:20]  We know that's coming.
[01:35:21]  When you war game the Pacific Theater, there's a reason why they built up their Navy.
[01:35:26]  That's what I was getting to, to the point of it's peace through deterrence.
[01:35:31]  And if we have the biggest, baddest Navy, arms, all of this, right?
[01:35:35]  Like we're sending all this money to Northrop Grumman, but we're getting equity in it because we all want to benefit.
[01:35:40]  Well, let's do it, okay?
[01:35:42]  I'm on board with that tagline.
[01:35:43]  As long as you keep saying peace through strength, I guess I'll be fine.
[01:35:46]  Well, then let me hit you with one, right?
[01:35:47]  Why are we letting the Chinese invade our country, right?
[01:35:50]  Let's look at Smithfield in Virginia.
[01:35:53]  Right, that gets bought by a Chinese firm.
[01:35:55]  Okay, we have all of these Chinese who have land around military bases.
[01:36:01]  Why has no one come out and said, Come on, we're losing this domestically?
[01:36:05]  They're in all of our academic institutions.
[01:36:07]  Come on.
[01:36:08]  My dad told me, Anyone who went to Peking University is a spy.
[01:36:11]  There's a kid on my learning team in business school at UVA, Peking University.
[01:36:14]  There's 300 some odd Chinese student visas that are currently active around.
[01:36:18]  Cancel all of them and prosecute potentially, depending, but look into everyone who's been given one.
[01:36:25]  Why are we doing that?
[01:36:25]  Should it be indiscriminate or should this be evidence based?
[01:36:28]  Should we just say, hey, this.
[01:36:29]  Indiscriminate.
[01:36:30]  We are going to go to war with China.
[01:36:33]  So it should be indiscriminate that we have to treat things seriously rather than this kind of half poo poo way that we have done things.
[01:36:40]  Like, I don't want to offend anyone, but it's like, hey, if that's our enemy, if we're in this AI war with them, right?
[01:36:45]  We need to take all precautions necessary.
[01:36:47]  We should not have any Chinese nationals studying in our academic institutions, working in our government.
[01:36:52]  Come on.
[01:36:53]  This is America.
[01:36:54]  I agree actually completely that, like, Okay, I think our domestic policy does need to be mobilized against like CCP elements inside the country.
[01:37:01]  There's no question about that.
[01:37:01]  I mean, the farmland thing, everything is just ridiculous, the student visas.
[01:37:05]  But I guess I contend that like it's an inevitable war against China because I'm like, if anything, I think that's actually more and more unlikely as we continue to rack up sort of geopolitical wins because I think the effect this is having on the Chinese is actually more of a demoralization.
[01:37:19]  You can make the argument, okay, when they're back into a corner, then they strike.
[01:37:22]  But actually, I think they're just increasingly skeptical that an operation on Taiwan would even work.
[01:37:26]  And I think China would rather just sort of Play ball in this instance because look, they just watched their entire Belt and Road Initiative.
[01:37:31]  I mean, I'm still the war, you know, hasn't concluded.
[01:37:34]  It's still, you know, unclear how this is going to resolve, but you know, it's fair to say that their Belt and Road Initiative has been hampered by the Iran operation.
[01:37:40]  So they're just continuing to see geopolitical loss, geopolitical loss, geopolitical loss.
[01:37:44]  That to me is a reason why they would be kind of hesitant to actually make any moves right now.
[01:37:49]  Like Russia made their move on Ukraine after the Afghanistan withdrawal.
[01:37:51]  They said, Oh, there's blood in the water.
[01:37:53]  Let's mobilize.
[01:37:53]  Sure.
[01:37:53]  This is not the time.
[01:37:54]  If you're China, this is not the time to strike.
[01:37:56]  They have some domestic strife.
[01:37:57]  They have a lot of domestic issues.
[01:37:58]  They're kind of.
[01:37:59]  Worried internally right now.
[01:38:00]  They're going to have more and more domestic issues, right?
[01:38:02]  Like, look at the real estate bubble that they have.
[01:38:04]  So, they're not thinking of it the same way that you're describing that we think about them, right?
[01:38:10]  If you're the ruling class in China, you may be thinking, okay, this is all going to get out of hand pretty soon.
[01:38:14]  Once this real estate bubble bursts, we got to make some moves now, right?
[01:38:18]  And they may say, hey, the U.S., they're at a point, there's going to be a new president soon.
[01:38:23]  We can cause chaos.
[01:38:24]  We'll be able to appease Trump however we want, but let's go cause chaos because that's what a war is.
[01:38:30]  What's your position on the Russia Ukraine war?
[01:38:33]  I think the Russia Ukraine war is the biggest money laundering scheme that has ever been put into existence.
[01:38:39]  When I drive around McLean or Great Falls, Virginia, where I grew up, why do I see more Ukraine flags than American flags in front of mansions?
[01:38:49]  Why do so many Virginians, you tell me you were born and raised in Virginia, why do so many Virginians support Ukraine?
[01:38:54]  Because they're part of the complex, the military industrial complex.
[01:38:57]  It's an asset pillaging of our country, of our money that we pay taxes for, right?
[01:39:02]  This is why I keep going back to the equity point.
[01:39:04]  Because if we're going to give a company money, Northrop Grumman, 97%, okay, we need something.
[01:39:10]  But otherwise, what's going to happen is then that money, the government contracts revenue, right?
[01:39:15]  Yeah, I know I've been shitting on this model.
[01:39:17]  However, the president did take a similar position.
[01:39:19]  When he came to Intel, he took a, I forget what the percent stake was.
[01:39:23]  Yeah, because we did bail them out or something, but that's because this was, they saw it as a form of national security issue.
[01:39:29]  Sure.
[01:39:30]  Which was to domesticate the chip industry.
[01:39:34]  Well, isn't having Northrop Grumman beefed up?
[01:39:36]  It could make sense with the military industrialization.
[01:39:37]  Northrop Grumman?
[01:39:38]  I mean, that's national.
[01:39:39]  If you beef them up more, I mean, I guess why not?
[01:39:41]  Bigger, badder, bolder.
[01:39:42]  That's the American way.
[01:39:44]  So that's obviously to say that you don't support sending additional weapons or money to Ukraine in their fight against Russia.
[01:39:50]  No, and I want a full audit.
[01:39:52]  Okay.
[01:39:52]  Well, what do you think, I guess, of the Russian invasion, despite not believing that we should support the Ukrainians?
[01:39:57]  Well, Russia is a fascinating topic because it's one that I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm 34.
[01:40:03]  So I'm 32.
[01:40:03]  Okay.
[01:40:04]  So we grew up with Russia as this big, vast enemy all the time.
[01:40:08]  Like, boomers are like, we cannot let them.
[01:40:11]  Have we had an open dialogue with them?
[01:40:13]  Why can't we just see what they got going on?
[01:40:16]  Because Putin's a conniving dictator who's a part of the KGB and his response to the deaths of multiple father was head of the CIA.
[01:40:24]  And that's based, though, that's advancing American values.
[01:40:28]  Working in the KGB.
[01:40:30]  Is not advancing American values, right?
[01:40:32]  We support American history.
[01:40:33]  Well, obviously, not a different country.
[01:40:34]  That's why Bush senior working in the CIA is a good thing.
[01:40:36]  But dialogue.
[01:40:38]  And seeing where we move forward, right?
[01:40:40]  Because the North Pole.
[01:40:41]  You think Putin's an honest actor here?
[01:40:42]  What?
[01:40:43]  You think Putin's an honest actor?
[01:40:45]  No.
[01:40:45]  Okay.
[01:40:45]  No, no, no, I didn't say that.
[01:40:47]  But his daughter's doing an interesting DJ thing in Paris.
[01:40:50]  So that was kind of.
[01:40:50]  This guy knows everything.
[01:40:52]  Yeah.
[01:40:53]  I don't know.
[01:40:53]  Did you go?
[01:40:54]  You look like you could pick her up.
[01:40:55]  Anyways, so the North Pole melts, right?
[01:40:59]  All of these shipping lanes open up, right?
[01:41:02]  It makes sense for us to at least have a dialogue with Russia.
[01:41:05]  I mean, we got to get Greenland, and I'm all for that.
[01:41:07]  I'm manifest destiny till kingdom come.
[01:41:10]  So, and we need what are we doing here negotiating with Denmark, huh?
[01:41:14]  Yeah, like too small.
[01:41:15]  Who's too small?
[01:41:16]  What are you gonna do about it, guys?
[01:41:18]  After Cuba, you take it after Cuba.
[01:41:20]  Yeah, like forget Iran.
[01:41:21]  Come on, we're going, we're taking it by force.
[01:41:23]  Like, there was some clip of like the their prime minister, Greenland.
[01:41:26]  He's like, We're scared.
[01:41:27]  Like, I don't care if you're scared.
[01:41:28]  We need it.
[01:41:30]  Yeah, I should be scared, actually.
[01:41:31]  I think we could make a deal in supporting Ukraine for more sovereignty.
[01:41:36]  Over Greenland.
[01:41:37]  I think that would really get the Europeans excited.
[01:41:40]  Yeah, quid pro quo.
[01:41:41]  Or, how about this?
[01:41:43]  We don't cut a deal, we take Denmark too.
[01:41:46]  You know, I don't want to ruffle too many feathers.
[01:41:50]  Seize the Lego production, Ozempic.
[01:41:52]  We need Ozempic for national security.
[01:41:54]  Yeah.
[01:41:55]  Norvo Nota.
[01:41:55]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:41:56]  Take equity in Norvo Nota.
[01:41:58]  Yeah, maybe I'm sure.
[01:41:59]  And we would force the free town of Christiania back into the governmental fold.
[01:42:04]  I agree.
[01:42:04]  I think it's ridiculous.
[01:42:06]  And also, the renaming of Nook is gotthab.
[01:42:09]  So when we take restoring the Danish name, this ridiculous anti colonial third worldist crap's got to end.
[01:42:15]  It's the most niche shit I've ever heard.
[01:42:17]  Amazing.
[01:42:17]  Oh, we're into it.
[01:42:18]  We're into it.
[01:42:18]  You're asking those.
[01:42:19]  Put a club or not.
[01:42:21]  In all seriousness, Denmark is one of my favorite places.
[01:42:23]  Yeah.
[01:42:23]  I've been there.
[01:42:25]  Well, we can take ice.
[01:42:26]  Awesome.
[01:42:26]  I've been there for some reason.
[01:42:28]  I've been to Denmark more than many other countries.
[01:42:30]  Just somehow I just ended up there.
[01:42:31]  Like, favorite place more than America?
[01:42:34]  Whoa.
[01:42:35]  This dude, this guy, barely a patron.
[01:42:37]  One of my favorite Danish double agents.
[01:42:39]  I also love him.
[01:42:40]  He looks like a Nussbaumid dude.
[01:42:42]  I've been to Jimmy's, bro.
[01:42:44]  Are you an Inuit?
[01:42:46]  Korean.
[01:42:47]  Okay.
[01:42:47]  You all look the same?
[01:42:49]  Oh.
[01:42:49]  Madrid.
[01:42:51]  It's true.
[01:42:52]  I agree.
[01:42:52]  Madrid's great.
[01:42:53]  Madrid's great.
[01:42:55]  Dude, I went to Madrid.
[01:42:57]  I had the time of my life.
[01:42:58]  You go to one of the topest bars.
[01:42:59]  I don't need to leave.
[01:43:00]  I walked up and I was like, Una cerveza, por favor.
[01:43:03]  He gives me his little tiny beer for one euro.
[01:43:05]  And I'm like, What is this?
[01:43:06]  And then he shoves two gigantic plates of calamari just to the top.
[01:43:10]  Yeah.
[01:43:10]  And I was like, Whose is this?
[01:43:12]  It's you.
[01:43:12]  And I was like, I look at my friends and they were like, That comes with the beer.
[01:43:15]  And I was like, What?
[01:43:17]  Also, the interesting thing is amazing.
[01:43:19]  And Spain is an outlier in the West because it's actually the rural areas that are heavily liberal.
[01:43:24]  And then Madrid is like a very ripe place.
[01:43:25]  It's weird.
[01:43:25]  Yeah, it's an inverse.
[01:43:27]  Is Malaga?
[01:43:28]  I went there too.
[01:43:28]  That was awesome.
[01:43:29]  I had a bunch of pork.
[01:43:30]  They got pigs down there.
[01:43:32]  Yeah.
[01:43:33]  But in Denmark, there's like one of the best burger joints I ever went to.
[01:43:37]  And I got to figure out what that name is because it's just awesome.
[01:43:40]  Denmark also has like a really pragmatic immigration policy that liberals seem to be okay with, where they're basically just like, if you don't assimilate, you're gone.
[01:43:45]  And they actually have, which is what ours should be.
[01:43:48]  You won't like this.
[01:43:48]  They scrape a lot of data to get it done.
[01:43:50]  Oh, oh, oh.
[01:43:52]  Okay.
[01:43:52]  Let's profile all my views.
[01:43:54]  Look, you've never met someone more racist than a Mexican who came here legally.
[01:43:59]  I thought you were about to say the name.
[01:44:00]  Tell me.
[01:44:01]  I thought you were going to lean back and go, yeah, nobody's more.
[01:44:03]  But okay, see.
[01:44:04]  Look, no one.
[01:44:04]  I'm an honorary Hispanic.
[01:44:07]  I hate data Latinos, so.
[01:44:08]  Fair enough.
[01:44:09]  We're working on the Spanish.
[01:44:10]  Who's assimilating who?
[01:44:13]  Now, that's a good question.
[01:44:14]  That's a fair question.
[01:44:14]  And Shapiro did talk about the browning of Americans.
[01:44:16]  It was not a problem.
[01:44:17]  Exactly.
[01:44:17]  But it sounds like they're browning our white people.
[01:44:19]  They're trying to recolonize, which I try to stand up to in my day to day life.
[01:44:22]  You want to annex Mexico?
[01:44:24]  I do.
[01:44:25]  I mean, manifest it.
[01:44:26]  We need something to be excited about.
[01:44:27]  Come on.
[01:44:27]  Do we not?
[01:44:28]  I'm saying this with total love in my heart for Mexicans.
[01:44:30]  Do we really need more Mexicans in this country?
[01:44:32]  I mean, like, it's getting a little crazy.
[01:44:33]  It's getting a little.
[01:44:34]  I mean, come on.
[01:44:35]  I mean, I'm here.
[01:44:35]  Don't care if you're from Texas.
[01:44:38]  Take your pick Mexicans or Somalis.
[01:44:41]  Why?
[01:44:41]  Whoa.
[01:44:42]  Can I kill myself?
[01:44:44]  Is that an option?
[01:44:47]  You can disavow.
[01:44:48]  It's fine.
[01:44:48]  You're running for Congress.
[01:44:49]  You can disavow.
[01:44:50]  But no, but to your point, assimilation is key, right?
[01:44:54]  Like that, I have different views than you guys on immigration.
[01:44:58]  Sure.
[01:44:59]  But it's the assimilation that is key.
[01:45:01]  I'm Irish.
[01:45:02]  You look at Irish, like most successful group because they came, they did the jobs they had to do, then they got political power.
[01:45:09]  That should be the process.
[01:45:10]  Yeah, there's a conversation about, though, the pernicious influence of these Irish Catholics on our media.
[01:45:16]  There always has been Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon.
[01:45:19]  I mean, I think Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, Rachel Maddow, Donald.
[01:45:23]  I mean, it goes on and on and on.
[01:45:24]  Yeah, and then obviously, Joe, was Joe Biden Irish?
[01:45:27]  I think he was at least Irish.
[01:45:28]  Obnoxiously Catholic.
[01:45:29]  Catholic with Nancy Pelosi.
[01:45:31]  That's Italian.
[01:45:32]  Oh, might be half.
[01:45:33]  At least Catholic.
[01:45:34]  Okay, I think I found it.

=== Assimilation as the Key to Power (04:05) ===

[01:45:35]  It's called It's Burger.
[01:45:37]  I love it.
[01:45:38]  Like three more times.
[01:45:40]  I've been there like a dozen times, and somehow it's like.
[01:45:44]  We always go, like, oh, let's get a burger.
[01:45:45]  And it's like, it's the same place we go to, and it's just so good.
[01:45:48]  I got to tell you, you know, we rag on Denmark and we joke about conquering them, but I'm actually, I do, I would like to conquer them because I love that place.
[01:45:55]  I respect that.
[01:45:56]  I'm down for that.
[01:45:56]  Yeah.
[01:45:57]  I want to take what I enjoy.
[01:45:58]  Like, I like it, so I should own it.
[01:46:00]  You know, that's the American way.
[01:46:02]  So Denmark.
[01:46:03]  Manifest destiny.
[01:46:04]  That's right.
[01:46:05]  If you like vacationing somewhere, just seize it as a treat.
[01:46:07]  Didn't we occupy Denmark in World War II?
[01:46:10]  No.
[01:46:10]  Talk about Greenland.
[01:46:11]  Greenland, that's what it was.
[01:46:12]  Do you guys ever have, have you guys ever heard of ketchup fried rice, I think it's called?
[01:46:17]  No.
[01:46:17]  Korean?
[01:46:18]  Disgusting.
[01:46:18]  Is it hot dog fried rice?
[01:46:20]  So, when U.S. troops were stationed in Thailand, they want to eat hot dogs, but they don't have bread.
[01:46:25]  They only had rice.
[01:46:26]  So, they would make a bed of rice, push a hot dog into it, and put ketchup on it.
[01:46:30]  That's what the Americans would do because they were like, we don't got bread.
[01:46:33]  We'll just make a bed of rice to eat our hot dog with.
[01:46:35]  And so, what they do is they take raisins, ketchup, and hot dogs.
[01:46:39]  They mix it with the rice and fry it.
[01:46:40]  And it's like a normal thing in Thailand, like everybody eats.
[01:46:43]  That's interesting.
[01:46:44]  I mean, you fry anything, it's good.
[01:46:45]  Yeah, I agree.
[01:46:46]  That's true.
[01:46:46]  That's patriotic.
[01:46:47]  That's why I know you're America only.
[01:46:49]  That's right.
[01:46:49]  All right, everybody.
[01:46:50]  That's all I need to say.
[01:46:51]  We got to go to the uncensored.
[01:46:52]  I'm sorry, no, we're going to go to the Rumble Rants and Super Chats.
[01:46:55]  The uncensored portion of the show is coming up at 10 at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
[01:47:00]  And we're going to read what you guys have to say.
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[01:48:43]  Let's get what you guys got to say from those chats.
[01:48:47]  We got Consumer.
[01:48:48]  He says, Be sure to welcome the regular bots and trolls.
[01:48:51]  They're constantly asking me to ban a bunch of people.
[01:48:53]  Well, we'll need to get a moderator on the Rumble side.
[01:48:56]  Swanson says, What do y'all think of Americans praising China and saying Chinese people are off better than us?
[01:49:02]  Even when data shows 600 million Chinese make 162 bucks a month, why are we seeing this praise?
[01:49:07]  Propaganda.
[01:49:08]  There's a viral post from Jackson Hinkle where he's like, Communism is better.
[01:49:12]  This is proof.
[01:49:12]  And it's like an image of the Chinese cityscape with LED light buildings everywhere.
[01:49:18]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:49:19]  Like, bro, I've seen Vegas.
[01:49:21]  You will not impress me.
[01:49:23]  Have you not just looked at.
[01:49:24]  At the sphere and the gigantic eyeball and all the weird stuff Vegas does?
[01:49:27]  Come on.
[01:49:28]  Yeah, ours is.
[01:49:28]  The skyline of New York City in Vegas.
[01:49:30]  If anyone's going to appropriate our culture, it's us, okay?
[01:49:33]  That's right.
[01:49:33]  The RGB nationalism is not going to fake me out.
[01:49:36]  It's almost.
[01:49:38]  This is the thing about.
[01:49:39]  We've got something else for the uncensored portion with Hassan.

=== National Debt and Economic Propaganda (08:20) ===

[01:49:41]  He said the collapse of the Soviet Union was a great catastrophe, the greatest catastrophe.
[01:49:45]  These people just lie.
[01:49:46]  They are evil.
[01:49:47]  This is what communists do.
[01:49:48]  They lie.
[01:49:48]  What they don't tell you about China is that you can't own land, you can only lease it from the government.
[01:49:53]  What they don't tell you is that.
[01:49:54]  When the Olympics came to China, they stole the water from poor people to bring to the cities and let people die.
[01:50:00]  That's the system you live under.
[01:50:02]  Eminent domain, you think that's bad?
[01:50:04]  When you live in China, they'll just kill you.
[01:50:07]  They'll just take from you.
[01:50:08]  You just duck and cover and hope you get to live peacefully.
[01:50:11]  I'm not a big fan.
[01:50:12]  I appreciate the United States.
[01:50:13]  We at least have some regions of grievances.
[01:50:16]  You don't own land in China, right?
[01:50:17]  You just have a 99 year lease.
[01:50:19]  Exactly.
[01:50:21]  Same old man says we conquer both Americas and make all them territories.
[01:50:25]  Give them no voting power nor make them citizens of the USA, then use them for the US empire.
[01:50:30]  Ha ha ha.
[01:50:30]  What would we do?
[01:50:31]  I will add to that, to be fair, in the United States, you don't own land either.
[01:50:35]  You pay property tax on it.
[01:50:36]  And then when you die, the government takes it from you.
[01:50:38]  Correct.
[01:50:38]  And in the long run, someone who owns land, let's say your great great grandpappy staked a plot of land back when nobody lived there, and he's got 10 acres.
[01:50:51]  Eventually, the government came in and said, You got to pay a tax on that land now.
[01:50:54]  And he goes, What do you mean?
[01:50:55]  I don't do anything for money.
[01:50:56]  I just farm here and feed my family and say, too bad.
[01:50:59]  Well, then he says, What do I do?
[01:51:00]  They say, If you don't, we're going to take it from you.
[01:51:02]  So he parcels off a small piece of his land and sells it to somebody to pay his taxes.
[01:51:06]  And every year the land gets smaller and smaller and smaller until you don't own it anymore.
[01:51:10]  That's the American way.
[01:51:11]  I'd prefer that over the 99 year old way.
[01:51:14]  That's fair too, but still not good.
[01:51:16]  And that has been the way, right?
[01:51:18]  Because we're managing into decline.
[01:51:19]  If we look at this as a publicly traded corporation, we're going into bankruptcy.
[01:51:24]  That's a matter of fact.
[01:51:25]  $39 trillion in debt, $30 trillion GDP, $1 trillion in interest rates, right?
[01:51:30]  The interest on the debt is about to become the principal line item, and it's going to, unless Trump does something to debt holders, like cut off their access to energy, so they become desperate.
[01:51:40]  I got an idea for you.
[01:51:42]  Conquer them.
[01:51:43]  Well, if we were a publicly traded corporation, we could put ourselves into bankruptcy, a structural reorganization, right?
[01:51:50]  United States.
[01:51:51]  United States.
[01:51:51]  Yeah, but that's meaningless.
[01:51:52]  Kill the people.
[01:51:53]  Well, but hold on.
[01:51:54]  But just real quick on this.
[01:51:56]  72% of debt is held domestically, right?
[01:51:59]  If people were to take a haircut, we cut 10 trillion, 15 whatever off.
[01:52:03]  What it would do is create an artificial tariff.
[01:52:05]  It would make it so we'd have to make things here.
[01:52:08]  I believe that we should not import anything.
[01:52:10]  If we make things here, the debt held by the U.S. domestically in the national debt is like invoices wouldn't be paid from the government, meaning these companies need that money to survive.
[01:52:19]  It would be a tough time.
[01:52:20]  Our credit rating would go down.
[01:52:22]  Yeah, but the economy would implode.
[01:52:23]  And then the interest rates, which general contractors would go to business overnight.
[01:52:27]  You, you, 100, 100 million jobs evaporate, not just because they're held by the government, but because there's many private sector jobs relying on invoices from the government, sure.
[01:52:35]  That in turn will be used to pay for food at a restaurant where the workers would go to.
[01:52:40]  You would just see this massive tsunami of jobs collapsing, yeah.
[01:52:43]  But we don't recover from government, guys, right?
[01:52:46]  Like, if the government has its hand in everything, isn't it time to then restructure how it works?
[01:52:49]  Because what it would do, it would create chaos immediately, right?
[01:52:52]  And then our adversaries would invade, take us all.
[01:52:54]  Well, well, if we had a strong enough military, no, because that's one thing that would be how you're going to feed them.
[01:52:59]  But are you going to pay them?
[01:53:00]  You're not going to be able to do it.
[01:53:01]  Industry is what we have to build.
[01:53:03]  All of this re industrialization stuff.
[01:53:05]  No, we need to make t shirts here, hats, all of this.
[01:53:08]  That's true.
[01:53:08]  But the point is the domestically held debt is granular.
[01:53:12]  It's not one big company.
[01:53:14]  Yeah, of course.
[01:53:15]  Tens of thousands of companies all waiting on tens of thousands of dollars.
[01:53:18]  Yes.
[01:53:18]  And their employees need that money.
[01:53:20]  The employees then go grocery shopping, and the grocery stores need the money that comes from it.
[01:53:24]  Yes.
[01:53:24]  This is how the government's been artificially propping up economic expansion.
[01:53:28]  Correct.
[01:53:28]  Because they just keep promising the debt.
[01:53:30]  So here's the thing we don't understand about the debt.
[01:53:33]  Basically, the way it works is I'm broke and I say to Tate, Hey, work this month and I promise I will pay you.
[01:53:42]  I don't have any of the money.
[01:53:43]  I then need to figure out how to get the money.
[01:53:46]  So I go to the people who are living nearby and I force them to pay me so I can pay Tate.
[01:53:51]  Yeah, come on, I'm good for it.
[01:53:52]  Yeah.
[01:53:53]  I say, Tate, I need you to work here for this month.
[01:53:56]  Damn, I need a lot too.
[01:53:57]  But my wife only told me that we're allowed to contract up to 10K.
[01:54:03]  I'm going to do it anyway.
[01:54:04]  I go to my wife and she goes, Okay, let's increase the debt limit.
[01:54:08]  There is no money the US has.
[01:54:10]  They are taking on contracts, saying, Don't worry, we will pay you.
[01:54:15]  And then either they are, you know, Obama did the quantitative easing.
[01:54:19]  I'm sorry, he did the stimulus.
[01:54:21]  But we do quantitative easing, just produce the money to try and deal with some of the debt.
[01:54:26]  Or we then say, We need to figure out where this money is coming from after the fact and keep putting people off paying interest.
[01:54:33]  It's going to implode.
[01:54:34]  It's going to implode.
[01:54:35]  And that's why Jefferson warned that banking institutions were more dangerous than standing armies.
[01:54:40]  And the thing is well, if it's going to implode, if we're being managed into bankruptcy, well, how do we manage it into bankruptcy?
[01:54:45]  That's a conversation we should have that no one's willing to have.
[01:54:49]  El Jefe Lopez says So Tim is just going to do the plot from the movie The Village by M. Night Shyamalan.
[01:54:55]  Yeah, kind of.
[01:54:56]  My idea was that we would do the Blast from the Past with Renan Frazier.
[01:55:02]  Yeah, we go into an underground bunker where she will just tell her it's the year is 1990.
[01:55:08]  You know, and then she'll emerge in the future.
[01:55:10]  Oh, you know, oh wow, look, everything's changed.
[01:55:14]  You know, not to uh dig up the last conversation, can I take the most unpopular position in conservative media and defend property taxes?
[01:55:22]  No, dude, I think that's your why.
[01:55:23]  There's a pragmatic explanation.
[01:55:25]  There's a small government, this actually property taxes.
[01:55:28]  Thomas Jefferson called it the most righteous tax in America.
[01:55:30]  It's a very like it's like one of our oldest taxes.
[01:55:32]  He never envisioned the Fairfax County government.
[01:55:35]  So Sagar and Jetty actually laid this out quite well.
[01:55:38]  He basically rebutted because right now, obviously, the atmosphere is like property tax, stuff, etc.
[01:55:41]  And I agree, there's some like.
[01:55:42]  Philosophical conundrums there.
[01:55:44]  But when it comes to schools, police, local services, if you abolish property taxes, now the state or the federal government is now in control of those services, the administration of the services, the state tax now is being levied on you to pay for those services.
[01:55:58]  So when you take away property taxes, you actually lose a lot of local autonomy.
[01:56:02]  Now we should go back to the fire emblem standard where you go to the fire department, you pay your monthly fee, and they give you an emblem to put on your house.
[01:56:09]  And then if you have a fire, when they pull up, if they don't see the emblem, they leave.
[01:56:14]  The problem is, like, I agree, like, if we could actually make that happen.
[01:56:17]  The problem is, if we abolish property taxes, there's not going to be any.
[01:56:21]  To your point, though, that's assuming almost positive behavior, right?
[01:56:25]  Where let's look at Fairfax County or Loudoun County, where they know they have a wealthy home ownership population, right?
[01:56:32]  They're going to keep jacking that up.
[01:56:33]  But meanwhile, the public school system is going to keep spending money.
[01:56:36]  They're going to overspend to the point they go into a deficit.
[01:56:38]  So then they're going to say, oh, we need a casino.
[01:56:41]  Who's going to propose that?
[01:56:42]  The politicians who their campaigns are paid for by the casinos.
[01:56:45]  All of it is designed into that because without personal responsibility, if the local government can't have it, no one can have it.
[01:56:52]  It's designed, like, look at Fairfax County again.
[01:56:55]  Steve Descano, 75%, you'll like this, of the murders, illegal immigrants, Fairfax County.
[01:57:01]  They get let off.
[01:57:02]  No, but just the point you're saying, not the murders, obviously, but the point, like, oh, they're doing this.
[01:57:07]  They're doing this.
[01:57:08]  They're doing this.
[01:57:08]  No, to deport them.
[01:57:10]  We don't even need it because the Fairfax County police will say, hey, Steve, this guy who's been arrested 30 times, if you let him out, drop these charges.
[01:57:17]  He's going to kill someone.
[01:57:18]  And he does.
[01:57:19]  The problem, though, is that Fairfax.
[01:57:20]  The Democrats permit that.
[01:57:21]  But also.
[01:57:22]  Because it's designed to make national government spread more.
[01:57:24]  Well, but that's the problem.
[01:57:25]  So, again, if you abolish property taxes, no one can fund county level police departments.
[01:57:29]  So, that's going to be Loudoun County, Fairfax County are now in the driver's seat for dictating.
[01:57:33]  Like, they're going to have a state.
[01:57:34]  We're going to have state police.
[01:57:36]  That's going to be the results of that.
[01:57:37]  Schooling, now it's completely determined by, again, by the Virginia state government.
[01:57:41]  Like, it actually removes a lot of local autonomy.
[01:57:44]  It gives a lot of red counties, it eliminates their recourse to at least combat, you know, a state government they disagree with.
[01:57:48]  So it would work in red states, but the problem in blue states, as you made this point, Virginia is flooded with red counties.
[01:57:54]  They lose all their autonomy if you abolish property taxes.
[01:57:57]  Again, it's an unpopular take, but it's like true, objectively.
[01:57:59]  Sagar and Jetty laid it out really well.
[01:58:01]  Let's grab some of these chats here.

=== Local Autonomy vs State Control (07:01) ===

[01:58:02]  We got Rusty Shackleford says Anyone who's served knows military health care is trash.
[01:58:07]  Military doctors suck and are immune from medical malpractice suits.
[01:58:10]  And Tricare is an evil, soulless bureaucracy that does everything possible not to help you.
[01:58:14]  You don't want government health care.
[01:58:18]  Agreed.
[01:58:19]  I had Tricare growing up.
[01:58:21]  I was born in the Naval Academy.
[01:58:23]  My father was in the military.
[01:58:24]  It wasn't good, but it was way better than having to pay money for healthcare.
[01:58:27]  I'll say that.
[01:58:30]  Chad Hoffman says Tim is right.
[01:58:32]  There are no jobs Americans won't do.
[01:58:35]  Also, most farm work pickers and the like make 20 bucks an hour plus here in California.
[01:58:40]  I know a lot of second and third generations who do go picking seasonally.
[01:58:45]  Yeah, I had a friend who did grape harvesting or something for like 20 something bucks an hour 20 years ago.
[01:58:51]  And I was like, I was making 12 bucks an hour working some crappy job, and I was like, You're getting 20 bucks for picking fruit?
[01:58:57]  Yeah.
[01:58:57]  It's like, damn.
[01:58:58]  Dude, I'm old enough to remember when delivery drivers were like teenage men.
[01:59:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, like dominoes.
[01:59:04]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:59:05]  Just hustling, chill dudes.
[01:59:07]  Now it's, you know what it is.
[01:59:09]  It's like an ice mug shot.
[01:59:10]  Shut the pizza.
[01:59:10]  You're like, What's going on?
[01:59:11]  No, no, no, no.
[01:59:12]  Hold on.
[01:59:12]  I got to tell you about this because we complained about it a while.
[01:59:14]  You know what pisses me off about this? Is when I order food on one of these apps, and it'll say Sasha is coming, and then it's like Pedro.
[01:59:21]  It's Pedro.
[01:59:23]  And so we started blocking them.
[01:59:24]  We started telling them to turn around and they get pissed off.
[01:59:26]  We had one guy get really mad.
[01:59:27]  We were like, We can't accept the food from you.
[01:59:29]  And he's like, I'm Sarah's husband.
[01:59:31]  And we were like, Have a nice day.
[01:59:33]  Goodbye.
[01:59:33]  Yeah.
[01:59:34]  Did you see where one account, I don't remember which app it was, named Emmanuel in Manhattan made 11,000 deliveries in one year?
[01:59:41]  It's like insane.
[01:59:42]  But isn't that a larger byproduct?
[01:59:44]  Wow.
[01:59:44]  So what is it?
[01:59:44]  You're saying 30 plus a day?
[01:59:46]  It's corruption.
[01:59:47]  What do you mean?
[01:59:47]  No, more than fraud.
[01:59:48]  But transitioning into a.
[01:59:50]  Well, I know, but I'm like, I'm wondering if that's possible.
[01:59:53]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:59:54]  Sorry.
[01:59:54]  Go on.
[01:59:55]  Oh.
[01:59:55]  Well, transitioning into essentially a 1099 workforce.
[01:59:59]  Right?
[02:00:01]  I think illegal immigration is undercutting our labor force.
[02:00:04]  That's what I was kind of implying.
[02:00:05]  I agree with you on that.
[02:00:06]  Illegal immigrants are doing a lot of jobs that used to be taken by people who were special, entry level workforce type people.
[02:00:12]  If he worked every single day doing 30 deliveries per day, he'd make that amount, which I don't think makes no days off ever and doing 30 deliveries a day.
[02:00:23]  I don't believe it.
[02:00:24]  Yeah.
[02:00:25]  And they're pointing out that women were showing up when his name was Emmanuel.
[02:00:28]  So it was like a meme.
[02:00:29]  I was living in Manhattan.
[02:00:30]  He averages two to three deliveries per hour.
[02:00:34]  So, most people will do about 10 to 15 deliveries per shift.
[02:00:40]  So, I did it for a few months.
[02:00:42]  It was pretty horrible.
[02:00:44]  And here's the secret here's the secret.
[02:00:46]  What these people don't realize is that they're losing money doing it.
[02:00:49]  Yep.
[02:00:50]  Uber, for instance, I'll call it ride shares.
[02:00:53]  The cost on the vehicle is greater than what they actually end up making.
[02:00:56]  Yeah.
[02:00:57]  And people don't realize it.
[02:00:58]  I hit a pothole and it wiped out a week's of my earnings.
[02:01:00]  It's like there's just, yeah, there's no winning.
[02:01:03]  Yeah.
[02:01:03]  I mean, there are guys in New York City who they rent a Honda.
[02:01:07]  Accord to do Uber $400 a week.
[02:01:09]  You could purchase that for way cheaper than $1,600 a month.
[02:01:12]  You see a lot of bicyclists in New York too, like riding the bicycle.
[02:01:15]  They have like a game they play with each other.
[02:01:17]  Like they compete.
[02:01:17]  There's like a Facebook board or something and they like post their best delivery time.
[02:01:20]  Really?
[02:01:20]  Yeah, it's hilarious.
[02:01:21]  I think a big part of the problem is that it's a race to the bottom.
[02:01:24]  These guys will live a ton of them, a dozen of them in a house.
[02:01:26]  They will inflate real estate costs and then undercut the market because they're not trying to, they're just trying to send remittances back home.
[02:01:32]  And for them, it's better than Guatemala City.
[02:01:34]  The $100 a month or a week that they're able to conjure up and send back home is actually worth more than they can make over there.
[02:01:40]  They're undercutting labor here and then shooting up costs because there'll be a dozen of them in one apartment.
[02:01:44]  I got to grab one more super chat before we go.
[02:01:46]  We got a minute left, so I want to grab this one.
[02:01:48]  Awesome.
[02:01:48]  Lee says, Tim, there's a big problem with Game Theory 18.
[02:01:51]  It's not just oil that is exported through Hormuz, urea, which is used for fertilizer, and helium, which is used for computer chips.
[02:01:58]  Sure, we can provide oil, but can we provide the other stuff?
[02:02:01]  That's their problem, though.
[02:02:03]  The U.S. does produce fertilizer.
[02:02:05]  We do get some from the Strait, but this is a problem for the East, not the West.
[02:02:10]  Trump, May not be doing it intentionally, but what is happening is the U.S. is taking damage, China's taking substantially more.
[02:02:16]  We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show, and we're going to make some jokes.
[02:02:20]  Not so family friendly, but always funny.
[02:02:22]  So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
[02:02:24]  It's going to be at rumble.com slash Tim Guest IRL.
[02:02:27]  Mark, do you want to shout anything out?
[02:02:29]  Follow me at it's Mark Moran on Twitter, Instagram.
[02:02:33]  My website is runwithmoran.com.
[02:02:36]  And I have a lot of ideas that break the traditional uniparty mold.
[02:02:41]  And anyone who is interested in helping out, reach out.
[02:02:44]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:02:45]  Mark, I thank you so much for coming on.
[02:02:46]  And I think it was nice to have an insightful conversation to see where a lot of your ideas are at.
[02:02:50]  And I think you kind of represent a growing constituency in our country.
[02:02:56]  I don't know if it'll be an electorally significant one, nonetheless.
[02:02:59]  Thanks for tuning in, everybody.
[02:03:00]  I am Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
[02:03:03]  You can find me at Alad Eliyahu on all platforms.
[02:03:06]  There's a Pentagon press briefing tomorrow that I'll be covering as well, that I'm really excited for.
[02:03:10]  So be sure to check that out.
[02:03:12]  Yeah, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown and come hang out tomorrow morning show.
[02:03:16]  Well, it's a noon show, noon live Eastern Time.
[02:03:18]  On Rumble.
[02:03:19]  You'll see it on the homepage.
[02:03:20]  Don't miss it.
[02:03:21]  Mark, thanks for dropping on.
[02:03:22]  It was a blast.
[02:03:23]  We get a lot of pile drivers on the show.
[02:03:24]  So it's fun to have a guy that's switching up the opinions and we'll go.
[02:03:28]  Yeah.
[02:03:29]  Well, and to say one thing, too, why this is so important is what you guys are doing.
[02:03:32]  This is the filtering of ideas in America.
[02:03:34]  This is the most pure thing, which is why ultimately they're going to come for the podcasters, right?
[02:03:39]  But what you guys are doing, and I very much appreciate the opportunities, allowing for ideas to percolate, see the best idea if it can win.
[02:03:45]  Yeah, Mark, thanks so much for coming on.
[02:03:47]  This has been a really good conversation.
[02:03:49]  It was not even a little bit of.
[02:03:51]  Unspent time on the air.
[02:03:53]  But yeah, you can follow me at Carter Banks at Carter Banks on X and Instagram, et cetera.
[02:03:59]  So yeah, Tim.
[02:04:00]  We'll see you all at rumble.com slash Tim Kest IRL right now.
[02:04:04]  Thanks for hanging out a whole
[02:04:57]  episode without mentioning Israel.
[02:04:59]  Here we go.
[02:05:00]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[02:05:01]  That was fun.
[02:05:02]  Here we go.
[02:05:02]  You ready?

=== Tucker Carlson's NYC Tunnel Quest (12:03) ===

[02:05:03]  Hit it.
[02:05:03]  Yeah, I was just going to say, I'm very proud of us.
[02:05:06]  We're there?
[02:05:07]  No, we're not.
[02:05:09]  Boom.
[02:05:19]  Nope.
[02:05:23]  Didn't work.
[02:05:24]  Didn't work.
[02:05:26]  So the prompt is Tucker Carlson exploring deep underground NYC tunnels with a torch, explaining how he hopes to find some Jews.
[02:05:33]  And it just doesn't, it won't make it.
[02:05:38]  Here's Jeremy Renner for some reason.
[02:05:41]  What if you typed in like Jeremy Renner with the same exact prompt?
[02:05:44]  I said Tucker Carlson, it made Jeremy Renner.
[02:05:47]  Look at this Bob Odenkirk.
[02:05:50]  Why does it keep doing random celebrities?
[02:05:52]  Maybe they signed up.
[02:05:53]  For it.
[02:05:53]  I don't know.
[02:05:55]  Look at this.
[02:05:56]  This is impossible.
[02:05:57]  Impossible.
[02:05:58]  I can't believe I'm doing this.
[02:06:00]  It's disgusting.
[02:06:02]  Yo, dude, C Dance is crazy.
[02:06:05]  Here you go.
[02:06:10]  This is for a lot.
[02:06:14]  It's 2024, and I can't believe I have to say this, but all these leftists hating on Israel, it's disgusting.
[02:06:20]  Damn.
[02:06:22]  Is it who?
[02:06:23]  Check this out.
[02:06:24]  Check this out.
[02:06:28]  Holy shit, dude.
[02:06:32]  That's just fucking wild.
[02:06:34]  Yeah, that prompt was more normal.
[02:06:35]  The other one was a Jewish guy coming out of a tunnel complaining about leftists hating Israel.
[02:06:39]  I thought that would be funny for everybody.
[02:06:41]  Let's see who gets offended by it.
[02:06:42]  This prompt was a tsunami hitting a guy in a helicopter is filming as a tsunami hits New York City.
[02:06:48]  That's just fucking crazy where we're at.
[02:06:51]  Absolutely.
[02:06:52]  What do you think about this AI stuff?
[02:06:54]  Is this a serious threat to the future of the jobs market?
[02:06:58]  Such a, we fucked.
[02:07:00]  Well, we talk about jobs removed from purpose, right?
[02:07:03]  And I think the bigger threat is that people, specifically young men, don't have purpose.
[02:07:07]  I don't mean to interrupt you on that point.
[02:07:09]  You mentioned these a few times throughout the show.
[02:07:11]  And I agree with you.
[02:07:12]  When I was younger, so many of my mentors and people around me told me, like, obviously, if you like your work, you're never working a day in your life.
[02:07:18]  Day in your life, exactly.
[02:07:19]  I will say, though, for a vast majority of people.
[02:07:22]  Have you ever met a strip club owner?
[02:07:24]  Loves every day of his life.
[02:07:26]  No.
[02:07:27]  I don't know.
[02:07:28]  I feel like it's a tough business.
[02:07:29]  But, like, I met a strip club owner.
[02:07:30]  He was gambling heavily in Vegas.
[02:07:32]  He was drunk out of his mind.
[02:07:34]  And my buddy, we sat down at a blackjack table and we were playing.
[02:07:37]  And he's just totally drunk.
[02:07:39]  And he's like, probably 50 and kind of chubby and like Eastern European.
[02:07:42]  And then my buddy was just like cheering him on and making jokes with him.
[02:07:46]  And he goes, my friend.
[02:07:47]  And he puts a black chip in front of him.
[02:07:48]  And he's like, you play.
[02:07:50]  And then he was just like, oh, dude, I don't want to take your money from you.
[02:07:53]  And so he puts the chip down, wins, ends up winning like 600 bucks.
[02:07:57]  And then the guy looks at me, he's like, you're a good friend.
[02:07:59]  You keep.
[02:08:00]  And he was like, bro, oh my God.
[02:08:01]  Like, he had like beautiful women around him.
[02:08:03]  Yeah.
[02:08:04]  True stories.
[02:08:04]  Yeah, for real.
[02:08:05]  Amazing.
[02:08:05]  Back in December.
[02:08:06]  Amazing.
[02:08:06]  Yeah.
[02:08:07]  Ask Robbie about it.
[02:08:08]  I guess my point is it's a great thing to aspire to, but in practice, I feel like it's very difficult, especially widespread.
[02:08:15]  I think you could develop a love and passion for what you do, but for a vast majority of people, it feels like work is work, no?
[02:08:22]  Sure.
[02:08:23]  But I also think that leads to the devaluation of people, right?
[02:08:27]  Like, we go to school, we're propagandized from like the fucking day one, right?
[02:08:31]  I can say that, right?
[02:08:32]  Yeah, from fucking day one, right?
[02:08:34]  Okay.
[02:08:34]  We go.
[02:08:35]  The public school system is designed to keep people down, right?
[02:08:38]  It's designed now.
[02:08:38]  Is it?
[02:08:39]  I don't.
[02:08:39]  You believe that?
[02:08:40]  Yes.
[02:08:41]  I feel like I went to a great public school and was getting.
[02:08:44]  On Long Island.
[02:08:45]  Maybe there it's okay.
[02:08:47]  But overall, it's designed to keep people down.
[02:08:48]  Sure.
[02:08:49]  And they have high property taxes and whatnot.
[02:08:51]  But like, I don't know.
[02:08:52]  I guess it's a case by case basis.
[02:08:54]  But in my experience, With the public school system.
[02:08:56]  They gave me every opportunity in the world and helped turn me into the huge piece of shit that I am today.
[02:09:00]  But I'm just, you know.
[02:09:02]  That's also geographic variance, right?
[02:09:04]  Like you may not be so lucky as to grow up in a good public school district, right?
[02:09:07]  Which is why I think the equilibrium of a community college system, one that can actually then allow people.
[02:09:13]  I was at a bar before this, Charlestown, West Virginia.
[02:09:16]  I talked to a guy who's been in federal positions.
[02:09:18]  Which bar, Paddy?
[02:09:20]  1861.
[02:09:21]  Oh, I've been there, I think.
[02:09:22]  Yeah.
[02:09:23]  Yeah.
[02:09:23]  And I learned more from this guy than anyone else, right?
[02:09:26]  But it's like this is a guy who he was given no shot in life, like you could see from birth, he was headed to federal prison.
[02:09:33]  That's a failure.
[02:09:34]  Explain that though.
[02:09:35]  How so?
[02:09:36]  Okay, you grow up in an area in a broken household, right?
[02:09:39]  So let's talk about the destruction of the family.
[02:09:41]  Then, okay, you're gonna get into your teenage years, there's no opportunity for money.
[02:09:45]  Your single mother is there no opportunity for money, though, legally or illegally.
[02:09:51]  Even legally, no, I don't.
[02:09:53]  Does any start doing it illegally?
[02:09:54]  I do truly believe that we live in a very privileged society, and there are issues with affordability, but writ large, if you work hard, choose not to have a child out of wedlock, work a full time job, I think there's one other thing.
[02:10:05]  This is graduate high school.
[02:10:06]  Graduate high school.
[02:10:07]  This is a statistic from the Brookings Institute that you will work your way out of poverty.
[02:10:10]  That is achievable in the United States currently.
[02:10:13]  I'm not saying that it won't be hard, and you know, some people are born into fucked up situations.
[02:10:18]  Obviously, it's better to have two parents.
[02:10:20]  Obviously, it's better to have them fundraise you going to higher education and providing for you and providing food for you and making sure.
[02:10:26]  You're well nourished and raise you in a good environment.
[02:10:28]  But besides that, I do believe though, if you do work hard and do those other two things, not have a child out of wedlock, graduate high school, what was the third against AID?
[02:10:37]  High school, high school, wedlock, and work a job, work a regular job, then you can work your way out of poverty.
[02:10:43]  I'm not blaming this guy for whatever you say happened to him.
[02:10:47]  Yeah, I'm blaming him.
[02:10:48]  All right, yeah.
[02:10:49]  I'm not blaming him forever.
[02:10:50]  What did he do?
[02:10:51]  I don't know what he did.
[02:10:53]  He could do anything.
[02:10:53]  I think he could work and make a life for us.
[02:10:55]  A lot, a lot, a lot.
[02:10:56]  We got a video for you.
[02:10:58]  Israel, Nandemo, Kandemo, Shihai, Stilte, Hontoni, Uratai, Doita, Domerte, Nantoni, Urucenai.
[02:11:06]  Guys, an anti Semite.
[02:11:13]  What the fuck, dude?
[02:11:14]  He was.
[02:11:15]  What was the prompt?
[02:11:16]  The prompt was a podcast host complains about Israel that starts on fire.
[02:11:21]  It was Japanese.
[02:11:22]  As a Russian, it looks like.
[02:11:23]  Israel, Nandemo, Kandemo, Shihai, Stilte, Hontoni, Uratai, Doita, Domerte.
[02:11:31]  It looks like a Polish podcast, and then, but they're speaking Japanese.
[02:11:37]  I mean, he's a weeaboo.
[02:11:38]  Yo, this is amazing.
[02:11:40]  Try the same thing, see what happens to you.
[02:11:41]  Light weeaboos on fire.
[02:11:42]  Oh, Akbar, oh, Akbar.
[02:11:45]  Ballad.
[02:11:45]  So true.
[02:11:46]  Praise be Allah.
[02:11:47]  So, this is where I'm going to, again, take the unpopular opinion.
[02:11:50]  I think America specifically, but I think the Western world by and large is pretty good at assigning outcomes in life to.
[02:11:59]  Basically, your IQ level.
[02:12:00]  Like, if you track income to IQ level, if you're born in the hood, but you're a smart person, you're going to navigate out.
[02:12:06]  So, this I agree that like some people, you know, maybe are limited by chances, but I think generally America specifically is actually pretty good at sorting people.
[02:12:14]  I can and like you get fucked.
[02:12:15]  I'm not saying you can't get fucked.
[02:12:17]  There's some people that get fucked.
[02:12:18]  You get it.
[02:12:19]  Right.
[02:12:20]  But exceptions don't necessarily disprove the norm in this instance.
[02:12:23]  Sure.
[02:12:23]  But look where it's led us, right?
[02:12:24]  I think America can be saved through Appalachia.
[02:12:27]  That the family values, the community, that's something very unique.
[02:12:32]  Look at Fairfax County versus Grundy, Virginia.
[02:12:35]  Very different worlds.
[02:12:37]  But those kids grow up, for the most part, in a place where there's love, there's care, there's community.
[02:12:41]  We don't have community, we don't have trust.
[02:12:43]  So people may have more money in certain areas run by certain types of people, go to school systems where they pay more per child to be educated.
[02:12:50]  But is that better?
[02:12:51]  I think we're managing into decline.
[02:12:52]  And I get what you're saying.
[02:12:54]  Well, I think that was the plan of Democrats for a long time.
[02:12:56]  I believe that too.
[02:12:57]  And the idea was to shift wealth to China so that the U.S. falters of the global economy, preventing Thucydides' trap, preventing war.
[02:13:05]  And then the powerful elites just keep their assets into the country with wealth.
[02:13:08]  Trump is reversing that and they're pissed about it.
[02:13:11]  Question on that Do you believe that the powerful elites remove themselves from being Americans or whatever?
[02:13:15]  They're this globalist group that they're just trying to extract value and assets from?
[02:13:19]  That's what the elites are doing.
[02:13:20]  Okay, perfect.
[02:13:21]  Yeah, yeah, no, I fully agree then.
[02:13:22]  Trump is doing the opposite and they're mad.
[02:13:24]  Well, exactly.
[02:13:25]  I mean, drive around Great Falls, Virginia.
[02:13:27]  There's no industry in Northern Virginia except for the military industrial complex.
[02:13:31]  So, how do people have $3 million homes?
[02:13:34]  Good point.
[02:13:35]  I have government contracts, a whole lot of them.
[02:13:37]  There's a bunch of tech jobs in one part of Virginia that I drive through all the time.
[02:13:40]  There's like a tech corridor with all the big tech companies over there.
[02:13:44]  There's a lot of high paying jobs in Virginia.
[02:13:48]  And then we had H 1B visas coming.
[02:13:50]  Sure.
[02:13:50]  You're against H 1B visas.
[02:13:52]  Absolutely.
[02:13:52]  Full reform.
[02:13:53]  100%.
[02:13:54]  Nice.
[02:13:55]  I think it's a natural function of like modern economies that like there's going to be wealth concentrated around the capital.
[02:14:00]  That's just like every country and well in the world, really.
[02:14:03]  I mean, like this idea that you can fully.
[02:14:07]  This idea that you can adopt like a third way position and fully root out corruption has like been tried so many times.
[02:14:11]  Oh, you can't do that.
[02:14:12]  Like Juan Perón tried it.
[02:14:14]  I don't, I feel like you have like an inkling of this like Bernie Sanders anti rich.
[02:14:20]  Nah, nah.
[02:14:21]  Sentiment to you because it's like, I mean, there are a lot of rich people in Virginia and there's a lot of beautiful neighborhoods there, but isn't that a good thing?
[02:14:27]  Isn't that what, like, we'll, yeah, but the money's coming from bullshit.
[02:14:30]  It's USAID slush fund NGOs.
[02:14:32]  That's all money.
[02:14:33]  What I'm saying is we pay taxes, right?
[02:14:36]  And so this idea of people getting rich on their own merits and anything.
[02:14:40]  That's great, right?
[02:14:40]  If you go to become the CEO of Northrop Grumman, that's awesome.
[02:14:44]  Phenomenal achievement.
[02:14:44]  Harvard Business School, great.
[02:14:46]  You're managing every three months because your compensation is entirely tied to your restricted stock units, which are entirely tied to the earnings per share of the stock price of the company.
[02:14:56]  So you're going to manage that for three months at a time to make your wealth.
[02:15:01]  Who do you think you're, is there a political figure or commentator who you think?
[02:15:05]  Thomas Jefferson.
[02:15:07]  A modern figure who your values align with most closely.
[02:15:10]  There's nobody who you think.
[02:15:11]  No.
[02:15:11]  Pro-cost spectrum.
[02:15:12]  Who do you like as a commentator?
[02:15:14]  Is there any news outlets besides Tim Pool?
[02:15:17]  Aside from Tim Pool?
[02:15:20]  Correct.
[02:15:20]  You get your news.
[02:15:21]  Like, where did this position and your, you know, how you're informed about the world come from?
[02:15:28]  All the founding documents.
[02:15:29]  Nothing about data collection in there, though.
[02:15:31]  And you should be pro-property.
[02:15:32]  Or maybe there is.
[02:15:33]  Digital rights are the same as our natural rights, right?
[02:15:36]  Like, if you look at revolutionary thought, so Locke had it, then it goes to Mason, which he wrote the Virginia Bill of Rights.
[02:15:43]  Best.
[02:15:43]  Document there's ever been.
[02:15:45]  Jefferson basically copies it for the declaration, right?
[02:15:48]  But we've had no original thought on governance structures since, right?
[02:15:51]  But do you think there's a, again, a political commentator out there that does a particularly good job?
[02:15:55]  Aside from Tim Pool?
[02:15:56]  No.
[02:15:56]  For real?
[02:15:57]  Like, what news do you think?
[02:15:58]  That's the only good one.
[02:15:59]  Oh, I mean, I look at two sides of an issue.
[02:16:00]  Candace Owens.
[02:16:02]  But you have to listen to Candace Owens sometimes to be like, what's she saying?
[02:16:06]  Who's got a penis here, right?
[02:16:07]  No, you need to get rage baited by Candace Owens every time.
[02:16:10]  And it's fun to be rage baited.
[02:16:11]  That's why we love it, right?
[02:16:12]  It gets the blood flowing.
[02:16:13]  Okay, my bigger thesis?
[02:16:15]  Politics, all the blood, if you know, is a reality TV show, right?
[02:16:18]  Of course, okay.
[02:16:19]  Theatrics, and you've been on one exactly.
[02:16:21]  But I did that for a second study because Trump is the most successful of them all, right?
[02:16:26]  Not a politician before, he didn't buy into the system, which is why he has hope of being less corrupt than other people, right?
[02:16:32]  But he understood how to captivate America's attention.
[02:16:35]  Reality TV is the only medium currently that can capture over 50% of America's attention.
[02:16:39]  The real housewives, they just visited Congress and they were the most popular, they were the hottest block, exactly.
[02:16:44]  Yeah, that's what you should have been on.
[02:16:46]  I don't, I don't watch the show, I don't know if you could.
[02:16:48]  I dated a housewife's daughter.
[02:16:50]  For a point, but like you are of such a rich history, yeah.
[02:16:53]  In and done everywhere, you're so well connected.
[02:16:55]  This guy, you're not a CIA agent, FBI.
[02:16:57]  No, I hate him.
[02:16:59]  I want to demolish him, so it wouldn't be good for my so hard.
[02:17:03]  Like, you understand why I know, I know, but I'm having so many contradictions, yeah.

=== Insurer Greed and Reimbursement Rates (05:36) ===

[02:17:07]  Um, but are we all here?
[02:17:10]  I say you won't take contributions from APAC.
[02:17:12]  Well, I can't because my blue shut down, so it's funny how you're like snubbing them, like, oh, yeah, I wouldn't take money from APAC.
[02:17:20]  Well, that's being a good politician, huh?
[02:17:23]  We don't take it though.
[02:17:24]  Only America.
[02:17:25]  I think only people who.
[02:17:26]  Want me to introduce you?
[02:17:29]  Unless you're going to be my handler, but I'm not kidding.
[02:17:31]  I can say, well, I'm just not doing it.
[02:17:33]  I'm Tim's handler.
[02:17:34]  I can add more clients.
[02:17:36]  Let's bring in some callers.
[02:17:38]  We got the chief media urologist.
[02:17:40]  What's going on?
[02:17:41]  What's up, chief?
[02:17:42]  Chief.
[02:17:42]  What up, chief?
[02:17:43]  Hey, thanks for taking my call.
[02:17:44]  I'm a longtime caller, first time listener.
[02:17:47]  Good evening.
[02:17:48]  I wanted to ask Mark about his take on health insurance, and I may have a slightly different take because I may or may not work in health insurance, and may or may not.
[02:17:59]  May not work for a certain company that was mentioned earlier in the program.
[02:18:03]  But I've always been conflicted working for a health insurer, I'm sorry, allegedly working for a health insurer, while also being quite fiscally conservative and concerned about how that money is being spent.
[02:18:16]  So, with that, my question is the government already regulates how much a health insurance company can earn as profit.
[02:18:23]  It's somewhere 80, 85%, kind of depending on the product.
[02:18:28]  That 20 to 15% has to be spent.
[02:18:31]  On medical costs with the 15, 20% going towards admin and profit.
[02:18:38]  And if that percentage isn't met over a rolling three year period, that money actually has to go back to the member.
[02:18:45]  So I know a lot of people don't know that about health insurance, but that really kind of brings me to my question How do you think the government owning an equity stake would actually make meaningful change in health insurance?
[02:18:58]  Sure.
[02:18:58]  And phenomenal question because, like, the MLRs, the medical loss ratios, are like one of the most complicated things that no one really.
[02:19:06]  Gets right, and a moment that led me to run for office was working on Melina, which you'll know, buying a bankrupt, non for profit insurer in Chicago, and then being able to adjust through the reimbursement rate for patients with ESRD so, end stage renal disease.
[02:19:24]  So, it hit me, it's like, okay, by managing for the bottom line, this is going to kill poor black people, right?
[02:19:28]  It's all financial engineering.
[02:19:30]  But the thesis with government in there if you remove buybacks.
[02:19:36]  And you force investment.
[02:19:37]  Well, that's the massive difference between a publicly traded healthcare system, right?
[02:19:42]  Because we're talking about insurers, but systems.
[02:19:44]  And with the insurer, so much as you can make the argument that there will be lower admin fees.
[02:19:51]  Some have said that, okay, basically with government insured universal healthcare, it's 2% admin fee.
[02:19:58]  I don't believe that.
[02:19:58]  I think it's probably closer to 3.5%.
[02:20:00]  With private, it's closer to 12%.
[02:20:02]  But let's look at compensation of executives.
[02:20:05]  I mean, if we can remove the compensation for executives who are managing for the short term, then absolutely.
[02:20:10]  But I look at it as the only way to make healthcare work isn't through universal healthcare.
[02:20:15]  It's through a bunch of different companies competing against each other like we have.
[02:20:20]  But if we're going to be giving them that money to treat people who don't pay taxes, I just think we should get something in return.
[02:20:28]  All right.
[02:20:28]  Well, I appreciate that.
[02:20:29]  I'm not sure that I agree fully.
[02:20:32]  That's all right.
[02:20:32]  You know, you had mentioned them being a fiduciary, and really, if they ever became a majority shareholder, they would still be really kind of forced to act as a fiduciary for the rest of the equity holders as well.
[02:20:44]  But I'll finish up with this just to say, you know, greed can be a powerful motivator.
[02:20:49]  And I think in private enterprise, a lot of times that's what actually helps the companies to be cheaper and to actually.
[02:21:00]  Be profitable.
[02:21:01]  I think greed makes it sound so pernicious.
[02:21:03]  I think it's self-interests.
[02:21:06]  Greed makes it.
[02:21:07]  Sure, but.
[02:21:07]  I just went for the short word.
[02:21:08]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:21:09]  No, and I hear you, right?
[02:21:10]  Like, greed is good, right?
[02:21:12]  That's the American system.
[02:21:14]  But then why in this American system are we just giving money away for free and not getting anything in return?
[02:21:19]  Well, so, I mean, the theory of health insurance, right, is that what we're paying for, what the government's getting in return is less overall health care costs because the cost of treating someone who is sick.
[02:21:32]  Further on down the line is way more expensive than paying for those PCP visits and those things on the front end.
[02:21:40]  Sure.
[02:21:40]  Oh, no.
[02:21:40]  And I fully agree with that.
[02:21:42]  But I would argue that then it would make sense to start with our food.
[02:21:47]  Because if you look at the decline of healthcare, it goes back to the consolidation, putting tobacco chemists behind Nabisco products, and then leading to if you can look at population health data of what groups have higher rates of obesity and these things live in food deserts.
[02:22:05]  You know, it's kind of by design.
[02:22:07]  And so I look at it as healthcare is a great conversation to have.
[02:22:11]  And it's like wrapped in this like healthcare, good, bad, whatever, free, less, whatever.
[02:22:16]  We need to treat the food, though, which is why the Make America Healthy Again movement, I think, is something that's a massive winner.
[02:22:22]  And I think it's something everyone on the left and the right should be talking about.
[02:22:26]  But then you look at who consolidates these large processed foods companies.
[02:22:31]  A guy named Blair Efron, who founded Centerview Partners, donates to Mark Warner, my former boss.
[02:22:35]  It's like, By design, these bankers make consolidation happen that make us way more unhealthy, and then it affects the entire healthcare system.

=== Consolidating Processed Food Companies (04:45) ===

[02:22:43]  Yeah, well, I can at least agree with you on that last part, so I appreciate you.
[02:22:47]  Hey, thank you, man.
[02:22:48]  You want to shout anything out, brother?
[02:22:50]  I don't really have any shout outs.
[02:22:52]  I'm not on social media.
[02:22:53]  I gave that stuff up a long time ago.
[02:22:55]  I will say real quick a lot you were talking about work and you're talking about people enjoying their jobs.
[02:23:02]  This is something I have to remind myself and other people a lot of times.
[02:23:05]  Don't forget in Genesis, whereas birth pains are the curse of sin for the woman, the curse for the man is work.
[02:23:13]  And that's because of the fall of man into sin.
[02:23:15]  So sometimes, yeah, I can't say that I love my job.
[02:23:19]  It's kind of what I fell into, what I'm good at.
[02:23:22]  But I'm there with you.
[02:23:23]  Yeah, Jack, that's why we have weeds.
[02:23:25]  It was because.
[02:23:26]  Thanks for calling in, brothers, man.
[02:23:27]  This is the fall.
[02:23:28]  We have weeds.
[02:23:28]  We have to toil the fields.
[02:23:30]  And we have to deal with it.
[02:23:31]  All right.
[02:23:32]  Here we go, Eli.
[02:23:32]  You ready?
[02:23:33]  Let's hear it.
[02:23:34]  It's like they're controlling everything.
[02:23:37]  We've been Ward Ender's thing.
[02:23:38]  It's not been deafened.
[02:23:40]  The worst troll ever's thing.
[02:23:41]  What?
[02:23:42]  It's outsourced.
[02:23:43]  You weren't saying anything.
[02:23:46]  That's a good point.
[02:23:47]  It sounds like English, but it isn't.
[02:23:49]  Yeah, right.
[02:23:50]  It's like how a Mexican thinks Americans.
[02:23:52]  All right.
[02:23:53]  Next up, we got Sammy.
[02:23:54]  Sims language.
[02:23:56]  Simish.
[02:23:58]  Let's try that again.
[02:23:59]  Hey.
[02:24:00]  Hello.
[02:24:00]  Hey.
[02:24:01]  How goes it?
[02:24:02]  Good evening.
[02:24:03]  How goes it?
[02:24:04]  I just want to start by saying, Alad, I apologize for everything I have ever said.
[02:24:09]  I agree with you so much tonight.
[02:24:10]  That's okay.
[02:24:11]  I accept your apology.
[02:24:13]  Thanks for your time.
[02:24:13]  So many contradictions.
[02:24:15]  Hey, so Mark, mine's a simple one, and then I have a follow up.
[02:24:18]  What is your current registered voter party affiliation?
[02:24:22]  And we know what you're running as, but what are you currently registered as?
[02:24:26]  So in Virginia, you don't have to register, it's an open primary state.
[02:24:30]  So I'm.
[02:24:31]  An independent.
[02:24:33]  Okay.
[02:24:34]  Because I know that you can be a Democrat.
[02:24:36]  And, you know, so far I've dug into you waiting.
[02:24:40]  Nice.
[02:24:41]  And it seems, yeah, it seems so odd the timing of you getting here.
[02:24:44]  I'd almost feel like you slipped the book or some money to get on here because you literally filed as an independent yesterday in the Senate, the day before coming on this show.
[02:24:53]  And the grift, it just, I don't know.
[02:24:56]  What money am I making from this?
[02:24:59]  Well, I checked that too.
[02:25:00]  So you say you got kicked off ActBlue, but you've made zero dollars.
[02:25:04]  They'd also kick people off for not being inactive.
[02:25:07]  So that's another question.
[02:25:08]  Have you received any money at all for your campaign?
[02:25:11]  Yeah.
[02:25:11]  So we have to do the FEC filing.
[02:25:15]  That's about, I don't know, a little bit over $15,000.
[02:25:18]  It's not much.
[02:25:19]  But this is something I've put a lot of time into the past year.
[02:25:25]  I've made no money off of this.
[02:25:27]  And so the grift thing, I get it, it's a word in the zeitgeist, but I'm doing this because I care about America.
[02:25:33]  I'm not doing this to make money.
[02:25:34]  And so when you say I switched party affiliations, that's because you have to file to switch within 14 days.
[02:25:42]  And I switched on what, April 1st?
[02:25:46]  So yeah.
[02:25:47]  On April Fool's Day?
[02:25:48]  You think we're going to fall for that?
[02:25:51]  Hey.
[02:25:51]  It's just, I guess, I'm sorry to interrupt the caller.
[02:25:54]  And I guess you mentioned it a little bit.
[02:25:55]  I'm just trying to understand what you are trying to achieve with the campaign.
[02:25:59]  You're trying to impact the way Americans think about certain issues.
[02:26:05]  Do you have a more tangible goal?
[02:26:06]  Because I feel like that's so open ended.
[02:26:08]  Well, one is to win, right?
[02:26:10]  I'm running against a 71 year old who has dementia who's been compromised since the 1980s, and no one else has the balls to say that.
[02:26:18]  I put myself in danger.
[02:26:19]  You believe you have a serious chance at winning in this campaign by letting the truth show, yes, because I want to live in America where the best ideas win, right?
[02:26:28]  And I believe I have the best ideas.
[02:26:29]  So that's why I'm putting them out there.
[02:26:31]  But I'm doing this with great sacrifice and great danger to myself.
[02:26:34]  I have drones flying in front of my front door.
[02:26:36]  I had to get a gun, fucking up.
[02:26:38]  People follow me.
[02:26:39]  Left and right.
[02:26:39]  This guy's vice chairman of the Intel Committee.
[02:26:42]  This is not a safer and normal thing to do.
[02:26:44]  I'm doing this because I care about the future.
[02:26:45]  So, I mean, you're risking so much.
[02:26:47]  I'm really trying to understand what you're trying to gain because, again, maybe I'm just very cynical.
[02:26:51]  It just doesn't seem like a winnable race.
[02:26:53]  Sure.
[02:26:54]  So, when you're sacrificing so much, it makes me consider that there's, it may be, ulterior motives.
[02:27:00]  Yeah, sure.
[02:27:00]  I mean, I want to create a world that I want to bring my future children into.
[02:27:04]  But you're not going to be able to do that through this campaign.
[02:27:06]  Oh, yeah, no.
[02:27:06]  And I fully disagree.
[02:27:08]  Okay.
[02:27:08]  The butterfly effect one human being.
[02:27:11]  Changes cataclysmically the course of history by putting ideas out there.
[02:27:16]  That doesn't mean they become in power or anything, but putting ideas are the most powerful thing we have.
[02:27:22]  Caller, what was your follow up?
[02:27:23]  Yeah, sorry.
[02:27:25]  Yeah.
[02:27:26]  I work in partisan politics, okay?
[02:27:28]  And I work with people like you all the time.