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=== The World Is Important (02:25) ===

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=== April Fools Sleep Talk (03:13) ===

[00:02:25]  one hour, Donald Trump will address the nation on what is currently going on with the Iran war, and speculation is running rampant.
[00:02:32]  Many people believe that he is going to announce he is winding things down.
[00:02:36]  The Iranian government has suffered a regime change, and there's new leadership.
[00:02:40]  And he already announced that they are begging for a ceasefire.
[00:02:44]  At the same time, troop movements still indicate that we may be planning an invasion of Karg Island.
[00:02:48]  So we shall see.
[00:02:50]  And in one hour, we will be here live to hear what the president has to say.
[00:02:54]  In the meantime, oh boy, we got a lot to talk about.
[00:02:57]  Matt Gaetz claims that there's a secret government program kidnapping illegal immigrants and making them breed with space aliens.
[00:03:04]  That's not a joke.
[00:03:06]  It was yesterday.
[00:03:06]  So everybody was like, was this April Fools?
[00:03:08]  And I was like, it was yesterday, actually.
[00:03:10]  So maybe he preempted April Fools.
[00:03:13]  Or sure, I guess, whatever.
[00:03:15]  I mean, Artemis 2 just left.
[00:03:17]  They're on their way to the moon, and it was awesome.
[00:03:19]  And all of the moon landing deniers are sweating and gripping their seats.
[00:03:23]  Shane Cashman.
[00:03:24]  Shaking.
[00:03:25]  Shaking.
[00:03:25]  Shane most affected.
[00:03:26]  Shane Cashman.
[00:03:27]  I love you, Shane.
[00:03:28]  I love you.
[00:03:29]  But the big news, of course, is the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on birthright citizenship.
[00:03:34]  And it sounds like they are inclined to deny Donald Trump.
[00:03:38]  We're not sure exactly, but it looks like their attitude is nah, if you're born here, you're a citizen.
[00:03:43]  So we'll talk about that and more.
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[00:05:30]  Happy April Fools, Tim.
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=== Fourth Amendment Arguments (15:28) ===

[00:05:39]  I'm excited to be here and talk about this birthright citizenship.
[00:05:41]  Oh, yeah.
[00:05:42]  I'm excited too.
[00:05:42]  It's going to be great.
[00:05:43]  Of course, Ian is hanging out.
[00:05:44]  Hi.
[00:05:45]  We've got Carter Banks producing.
[00:05:47]  What up?
[00:05:47]  And you know him, you love him, Phil Labonte.
[00:05:50]  Tomorrow's my birthday.
[00:05:52]  For people who are only listening, he was just doing devil horns.
[00:05:54]  I don't normally tell people, but tomorrow's my birthday, so let's make a big deal out of it.
[00:05:57]  Tomorrow's your birthday?
[00:05:58]  April 2nd, 4 a.m.
[00:05:59]  I was almost born on the floor.
[00:06:01]  I thought your birthday was April 20th.
[00:06:02]  No, it was the two.
[00:06:03]  You probably got it.
[00:06:04]  Oh, 420?
[00:06:05]  Oh, God.
[00:06:06]  No, I dated a girl on 419.
[00:06:07]  It was actually not a wee joke, it was a Hitler joke.
[00:06:09]  My dad's born on 418.
[00:06:11]  Let's talk about.
[00:06:12]  Birthdays only matter for children in the weed, man.
[00:06:15]  Speaking of Hitler, we have this story from NPR.
[00:06:18]  Supreme Court majority seems inclined to rule against Trump on birthright citizenship.
[00:06:23]  I'm just going to come out right away and say it.
[00:06:26]  Based on what the Supreme Court was saying, it sounds like we're cooked, like this country cannot stand.
[00:06:32]  And we actually have one of the arguments.
[00:06:35]  We have a video here, which is fascinating.
[00:06:37]  I'm going to play this for you.
[00:06:38]  This is John Sauer, the U.S. Solicitor General, arguing.
[00:06:41]  That the framers of the 14th could never have predicted airplanes and 8 billion people coming to this country or 500 birth tourism companies.
[00:06:54]  Here's how John Roberts responds apparently, there's no audio coming through quietly at first and then all at once.
[00:07:01]  Yeah, why aren't we getting any audio?
[00:07:02]  Is it off?
[00:07:03]  No, it was my fault.
[00:07:05]  Twitter was muted.
[00:07:07]  Based on Chinese media reports, there are 500 birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China whose.
[00:07:15]  What business is to bring people here to give birth and return to that nation?
[00:07:21]  Having said all that, you do agree that that has no impact on the legal analysis before us?
[00:07:27]  I think it's, I quote what Justice Scalia said in his Hamdan dissent, where their interpretation has these implications that could not possibly have been approved by the 19th century framers of this amendment.
[00:07:40]  I think that shows that their interpretation has made a mess of the provision.
[00:07:45]  Well, it certainly wasn't a problem in the 19th century.
[00:07:48]  No, but of course, we're in a new world now, as Justice Alito pointed out, where 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a child who's a U.S. citizen.
[00:07:56]  Well, it's a new world, it's the same Constitution.
[00:08:00]  It is.
[00:08:00]  And as Justice Scalia said, I think in the case that Justice Alito was referring to, you've got a constitutional provision that addresses certain evils and it should be extended to reasonably comparable evils.
[00:08:11]  He said that about statutory interpretation.
[00:08:12]  I think the same principle applies here, and I think we quote that in our brief.
[00:08:16]  I would argue he's correct.
[00:08:18]  John Sauer, the U.S. Solicitor General, is correct in his assessment that the Fourth Amendment does not address the birth tourism companies and illegal immigrants.
[00:08:28]  Real quick, the principal argument made by John Sauer was that Wong Kim Ark stated.
[00:08:34]  A domiciled immigrant in this country who has a child, that child will be a U.S. citizen.
[00:08:41]  And the argument from John Sauer is that illegal immigrants are not domiciled here.
[00:08:45]  And Alito points out correctly if they are subject to removal at any point, it would be impossible for them to be domiciled here.
[00:08:52]  He then brings up the issue of birth tourism, where they enter here either illegally or under false pretenses.
[00:09:00]  They fly to Guam, give birth, and go back.
[00:09:02]  And now those.
[00:09:03]  What's up?
[00:09:04]  Or California, not even Guam.
[00:09:05]  But Guam is a big issue because it's so easy for them to get to it.
[00:09:08]  They go to lots of places, not just Guam.
[00:09:10]  Yeah.
[00:09:11]  So the issue that I see here is I believe John Sauer's argument in this regard is correct that the Fourth Amendment does not address birthright citizenship in these contexts, and the Supreme Court does need to answer.
[00:09:22]  And if they want to answer, you're wrong, that's fine.
[00:09:26]  But to simply say, but, you know, the Constitution says the same, so we're not going to do anything, does not answer these questions.
[00:09:32]  So it is correct of John Sauer to say, you must address this.
[00:09:37]  I am against birthright citizenship, period.
[00:09:39]  I want that to be clear.
[00:09:41]  But I also think if you agree with a legal conclusion, you might disagree with the legal reasoning that gets you that conclusion.
[00:09:49]  So if someone is pro choice, it's still fair to say that Roe v. Wade was bad law.
[00:09:54]  A lot of people can't wrap their heads around this, right?
[00:09:56]  Yes, 100%.
[00:09:57]  His argument about this new world is the same argument every crappy leftist says with the Second Amendment.
[00:10:01]  It's going to make the exact same argument.
[00:10:03]  Absolutely.
[00:10:03]  We had no internet when the Bill of Rights was passed.
[00:10:06]  The First Amendment applies to the internet.
[00:10:09]  They didn't have AR 15s.
[00:10:10]  When the Second Amendment was passed, the Second Amendment applies to.
[00:10:14]  And to your point about this is going to be deleterious to America, correct.
[00:10:18]  I don't dispute that.
[00:10:19]  The mechanism for remedying this is Congress, the legislative branch.
[00:10:23]  That is what their point is.
[00:10:24]  Actually, I have to interrupt.
[00:10:26]  The Supreme Court just said, in fact, not correct, that the Fourth Amendment was crafted specifically so that Congress could not intervene.
[00:10:33]  No, no, no.
[00:10:34]  I'm not talking about the Fourth Amendment.
[00:10:35]  I'm saying if there is a problem legislatively, it has to be solved, not through the legislation.
[00:10:39]  This is the Fourteenth Amendment.
[00:10:41]  Challenged, right?
[00:10:42]  If there's been decades of law, which I don't agree with, and it's judicial precedent, not codified law.
[00:10:48]  But there's also something called stere decisis, which is what John Roberts was voted in on, which is his point if something has been around for a long time, it should take a lot for the Supreme Court to overturn.
[00:10:59]  But my point is simply that Congress cannot remedy this, as per the argument from the Supreme Court that the Fourth Amendment was crafted specifically so that Congress would not intervene in what determines safety.
[00:11:08]  But it does undo an amendment, they can do all sorts of things.
[00:11:11]  Yeah, Congress can repeal it.
[00:11:14]  Congress through state ratification, or what do you mean?
[00:11:16]  Like two thirds of the state.
[00:11:17]  Just like with the Prohibition Amendment.
[00:11:18]  If something is not working out, you go through the legislative process.
[00:11:21]  Right, right.
[00:11:22]  And I don't believe it will.
[00:11:23]  If your argument is the amendment should be repealed, agreed, or clarified.
[00:11:26]  Or clarified.
[00:11:27]  Congress can't pass a law clarifying this was the Supreme Court's argument.
[00:11:31]  Right.
[00:11:31]  But they can.
[00:11:32]  They would have to repeal the 14th.
[00:11:33]  Right.
[00:11:34]  Or re edit it.
[00:11:35]  You know what I mean?
[00:11:35]  Repeal and replace.
[00:11:37]  I would argue this.
[00:11:38]  I would argue exigent circumstances.
[00:11:41]  The idea that we would say the internet wasn't covered by the First Amendment because the founding fathers didn't understand that.
[00:11:48]  My response is well, the internet is an issue of increase in speed of speech, not an issue of foreign adversaries can take control of our country.
[00:11:57]  The foreign adversaries use the First Amendment all the time.
[00:11:59]  They run ops on social media every fucking day.
[00:12:02]  And there's a big difference between.
[00:12:04]  A foreigner coming here and speaking or flooding us, which are threats which we can address, and a Chinese national becoming the president and dismantling our country.
[00:12:12]  First of all, our country hasn't been dismantled.
[00:12:13]  And I would much rather, in a sense, but we're not arguing that it is.
[00:12:16]  I'd much rather have 10,000 illegal immigrants become citizens than half the stuff that all these other countries run in American citizenry.
[00:12:23]  All these other countries, what all these ops that they run on social media in American citizenry.
[00:12:27]  So again, including one of the points that I'm saying on you that you showed before we started.
[00:12:31]  If your argument is that China is attacking us, yes, we can repel these attacks through sound government, we can repel these attacks through.
[00:12:38]  Focus, knowledge, and the collective defense, whatever that may be.
[00:12:42]  Sure.
[00:12:42]  On the issue of guns, the founding fathers actually did know that private individuals had weapons of mass destruction.
[00:12:48]  I'm just saying this is an argument that the lefties use all the time.
[00:12:51]  I disagree.
[00:12:52]  It's not.
[00:12:52]  They don't use that argument?
[00:12:54]  It's not the same argument.
[00:12:55]  It is.
[00:12:56]  Again, I'm literally addressing when they say the founding fathers didn't know about machine guns.
[00:13:00]  Yes, they did.
[00:13:01]  They had repeaters.
[00:13:02]  Like, they knew about these weapons.
[00:13:04]  They knew about weapons of mass destruction.
[00:13:05]  I'm saying I'm agreeing with the lefties.
[00:13:07]  I'm saying This argument is not an argument on technology.
[00:13:11]  This argument is the foundation of the country, of our governance cannot function because of these new exploits that are attacking it.
[00:13:19]  And all we need now is the Supreme Court to say narrowly if someone, the Supreme Court can say, if a Honduran, for example, enters the country illegally and seeks to live here and gives birth to a child, they can say that child is a citizen.
[00:13:36]  However, if an individual comes here through birth tourism, They are not.
[00:13:41]  They could do that.
[00:13:42]  More importantly, I think the end result of this, and that's what's so shocking about John Roberts' argument, is the Supreme Court went leaps and bounds to say, even Katanji Brown Jackson, allegiance can be temporary.
[00:13:53]  And she is correct.
[00:13:55]  Many people are making fun of her for saying this.
[00:13:56]  She goes, If I go to Japan and I steal someone's wallet, I am subject to their laws.
[00:14:02]  They can arrest me.
[00:14:04]  That is temporary allegiance to their system.
[00:14:06]  In fact, if someone steals my wallet, they will remedy that for me, which is temporary allegiance.
[00:14:11]  She is correct.
[00:14:13]  Correct.
[00:14:13]  However, she actually just argued why they should end birthright citizenship because the people who intentionally break our laws have shown they have no allegiance.
[00:14:23]  I'm not arguing at all that birthright citizenship should be ended.
[00:14:25]  I agree with you.
[00:14:26]  That was literally the first thing I said.
[00:14:29]  So, in this context, when he says we have these birth tourism things, the argument is if a person intentionally violates our laws for the purpose of exploiting this, it should not be allowed.
[00:14:42]  And Robert's response is I don't care.
[00:14:45]  This is the way it is.
[00:14:47]  Because, first of all, it's the child who's being in the legal.
[00:14:50]  This is not my point of view.
[00:14:51]  By the way, I just want to be clear because people, I'm trying to steal Man Robert's point of view.
[00:14:56]  His point of view is it's the kid who's not the criminal because the child cannot be guilty of a crime.
[00:15:00]  They still should be given the rewards of citizenship.
[00:15:02]  I don't agree with that.
[00:15:03]  What I'm saying is it's very.
[00:15:04]  That's not his argument.
[00:15:05]  Let me finish.
[00:15:06]  It's just very dangerous when you have a president unilaterally deciding the law because, in four years, first of all, the other point of this, they were pointing out, Well, if this is true and you vote, you judge the way Sauer wants, you're going to de citizenize, or whatever the term is, many people who have been regarded citizens for years.
[00:15:25]  And he's saying, no, it's just going to go forward, not retroactively.
[00:15:28]  That's not what they argued.
[00:15:30]  Yeah, just from now, they're not going to denaturalize.
[00:15:33]  Correct.
[00:15:33]  But legally speaking, if you're going to overturn birthright citizenship, it would make much more sense to remove the citizenship of people who are birthright citizens than to just say going forward.
[00:15:45]  Do you not agree?
[00:15:46]  I don't personally agree with that.
[00:15:47]  Well, I'll explain.
[00:15:48]  Because if you're saying birthright citizenship is illegitimate and the analysis of the 14th Amendment that's been going on for like whatever 80 years, however, is wrong, then all those people who had currently been regarded citizenship through birthright citizenship should retroactively not be regarded citizens.
[00:16:03]  Why?
[00:16:03]  Because it was never correct law to begin with.
[00:16:06]  I suppose the argument is to the Supreme Court asking, the Solicitor General said that would create a massive bureaucracy, which would be impossible.
[00:16:15]  And so if you can't provide the remedy, you can at least provide an injunction.
[00:16:20]  Are you opposed to people who are the citizens as a result of birthright tourism to have their citizenship stripped?
[00:16:26]  Within a certain time frame.
[00:16:28]  What do you mean?
[00:16:30]  So if someone's 30 years old and their parents were illegal immigrants, but they've been living here for 30, like, They were born here and they lived here for 30 years.
[00:16:37]  It makes no sense.
[00:16:38]  But in a legal sense, how do you make that distinction?
[00:16:40]  If something's wrong, it's wrong.
[00:16:41]  Because we're not robots and the law is not drawn by mathematical absolutes.
[00:16:46]  One of the biggest mistakes, I love this point, that people tend to make is that they think that if the words are written on a piece of paper, it's law and it must be.
[00:16:53]  And then, like, one of the jokes you'll see is there's an old trope where a guy is doing surveys out in the street or he's doing petitions and he's like, We want to save the forests.
[00:17:04]  Can you fill out my petition saying you want to help save the forests?
[00:17:06]  And they're signing a power of attorney form.
[00:17:08]  And then people go, like, oh man, Netflix did a show where a woman's life was being turned into a TV show.
[00:17:14]  And they said, when you signed up for Netflix, the terms of service said, that is not real.
[00:17:19]  That's not real.
[00:17:21]  If I asked Ian, would you like to buy this gavel from me?
[00:17:25]  I'll drop a sales contract.
[00:17:26]  And in it, it said, he's now indentured to me or I own his home.
[00:17:31]  He'd go to court and say, I wasn't giving my home to him.
[00:17:33]  I'll say, I have a contract right here saying he was.
[00:17:35]  The judge will say, shut your, get out of my court.
[00:17:38]  The contract is dissolved.
[00:17:39]  End of story.
[00:17:40]  That's why judges exist.
[00:17:41]  No, that's not.
[00:17:42]  Okay.
[00:17:42]  There is actually.
[00:17:43]  Yes, it's interpretation.
[00:17:44]  You didn't even know what I was going to say.
[00:17:45]  You're telling me.
[00:17:46]  You said that's not.
[00:17:46]  And then I responded, it is.
[00:17:47]  I didn't finish the sentence.
[00:17:48]  I was going to say that's not a hypothetical.
[00:17:50]  These are real cases.
[00:17:52]  There's a guy named John Hassness, his essay, The Myth of Objective Laws in the Anarchist Handbook.
[00:17:57]  And these are real legal cases.
[00:17:58]  There was a woman, an old woman, she signed up for like Salsa lessons.
[00:18:02]  And it was like $1,000 a lesson.
[00:18:04]  And he sued her.
[00:18:05]  And she went to the judge.
[00:18:06]  The judge said exactly what you said with the AIDS.
[00:18:08]  Like, this is ridiculous.
[00:18:09]  It's out.
[00:18:10]  However, There's the other worldview, a legal view of what's written is the law.
[00:18:15]  The judge should not interpret it, and they should just basically go exactly by what it says.
[00:18:20]  Let me say one point.
[00:18:21]  This happened when Roe v. Wade was overturned in Arizona.
[00:18:24]  When Roe v. Wade was overturned nationwide, there had been this law from Arizona, like 1879 or something, that said abortion is illegal.
[00:18:31]  And they're like, what do we do?
[00:18:33]  Because now that law is on the books.
[00:18:34]  Roe v. Wade is no longer overturning it, and they just pretended it wasn't there.
[00:18:38]  It is in New York City.
[00:18:42]  It is law that you can wear any clothing you want to work and go by any name you want.
[00:18:47]  And as any individual subject to any public accommodation, you must be accommodated equally as to any other person.
[00:18:54]  Which means, and I called a human rights attorney and asked him this if I went to Harlem dressed like a Southern plantation owner, and when they asked me my name, I said it was Massa, are they legally required to say that name as they say everyone's name when their drink is ready?
[00:19:08]  And he said no.
[00:19:10]  And I said, well, hold on.
[00:19:11]  New York City's human rights law.
[00:19:13]  Specifically states they must be equal.
[00:19:17]  And Massa is an Iberian name.
[00:19:18]  It's Spain and Mediterranean.
[00:19:19]  It's a common name.
[00:19:20]  If they're offended by my culture, why could they deny that?
[00:19:23]  And he said, because it will be viewed as culturally insensitive and they don't have to do it.
[00:19:28]  And then I said, and if I sued, he said, the judge would laugh you out of the courtroom.
[00:19:31]  That's how real life works.
[00:19:33]  But Tim, you're talking to two anarchists, and I'm agreeing with you.
[00:19:36]  There's no such thing as objective law.
[00:19:37]  And my point is, what you are describing is that the left lies and cheats for power, and we are just subject to it.
[00:19:43]  Yes, that's what government is.
[00:19:45]  Which is why John Roberts should say no birthright citizenship.
[00:19:48]  Have an I stay.
[00:19:49]  I, fine.
[00:19:50]  But my point is it's a slippery, and I'm not saying it's wrong.
[00:19:54]  I don't want birthright citizenship.
[00:19:55]  But when you have this idea that the president, whoever he is, is going to unilaterally decide things which affect millions of people through executive order.
[00:20:03]  Wait until the next Democratic president.
[00:20:05]  You mean when they did and already did that with DACA?
[00:20:08]  And then we sat back and did nothing.
[00:20:09]  So every time a Republican gets in.
[00:20:11]  Who's we?
[00:20:11]  Who is we?
[00:20:12]  The American people.
[00:20:13]  The American people.
[00:20:14]  So the Democrat gets in and bangs a gavel by decree.
[00:20:17]  And we go, okay.
[00:20:18]  But when the Republican gets in, we'll do nothing.
[00:20:20]  You yourself just said that you're in favor of DACA.
[00:20:22]  You said if they're here for 30 years, you shouldn't get rid of them.
[00:20:24]  That's not DACA.
[00:20:25]  DACA is if you're.
[00:20:27]  What's it stand for?
[00:20:28]  There were six year olds who have been here for 13 years.
[00:20:31]  They should go.
[00:20:31]  Fine.
[00:20:33]  You're just arguing over the number.
[00:20:34]  But you're exceeding their point.
[00:20:36]  And I don't think that point is wrong.
[00:20:38]  The issue is, as human beings, we try to find how to navigate forward when we change the system.
[00:20:43]  DACA is not born here.
[00:20:44]  I said, if someone was born here by illegal immigrants, anchor babies, and they've been here for 30 years, it makes no sense.
[00:20:50]  If you were brought here as a child and you've been here for 20 years, knowing full well that it would be 13 years or whatever, that Obama signed an executive order granting you some kind of temporary status, I'm sorry.
[00:21:01]  It's time for you to go home.
[00:21:02]  I think it's a very odd line to draw between you were born here and you came here when you were four.

=== Immigration Deportation Problems (15:38) ===

[00:21:07]  No, it's not.
[00:21:07]  It's pretty simple.
[00:21:08]  Okay.
[00:21:08]  I'm not saying it's not simple.
[00:21:09]  I'm just saying.
[00:21:10]  And more to the point, the issue is navigating a solution means you will have imperfect outcomes.
[00:21:16]  But we're trying to find which makes the most sense.
[00:21:18]  It's not a zero sum game.
[00:21:19]  We will not be, it's not physically possible to round up everybody who was born here as an anchor baby.
[00:21:24]  So we say that's going to be impossible.
[00:21:26]  What is possible is denaturalizing some people who are probably under the age of one and DACA is rescinded.
[00:21:33]  That's easy.
[00:21:34]  We can just say that.
[00:21:35]  I don't think it's as easy as you think it is, specifically for the reason is there's an enormous Infrastructure in this country through NGOs and other agencies.
[00:21:43]  Well, that's a different argument.
[00:21:44]  But what you're saying is just because something is conceptually simple.
[00:21:47]  If the Supreme Court says this is how we're interpreting this, then we start to navigate NGOs.
[00:21:53]  It's not all at the same time.
[00:21:54]  But the point is, just because something might be conceptually simple does not at all mean it's going to be simple to put into practice.
[00:22:01]  Agreed.
[00:22:01]  Okay.
[00:22:02]  And so the simplest solution would not be you were born as an anchor baby 30 years ago.
[00:22:06]  We're going to find everybody who was.
[00:22:08]  That would be extremely.
[00:22:10]  That's bureaucratically impossible to do.
[00:22:12]  We can say all the Chinese birth tourism kids void, and we can do that fairly easily.
[00:22:18]  I don't think we can do that fairly easily.
[00:22:20]  Well, fairly easily, it's a relative statement.
[00:22:22]  I'm saying it would be substantially easier than finding a 30 year old guy born here and being like, We're taking your citizenship.
[00:22:27]  Sure, but I think and we have to.
[00:22:29]  We can't allow Chinese nationals alleged to the Communist Party to hold office in the United States.
[00:22:33]  I agree with you.
[00:22:34]  I agree that there should be no birth rate citizenship.
[00:22:37]  My point is the firmer the path there, the more it's going to stick.
[00:22:41]  And I think this is a very tenuous path to abolishing it.
[00:22:44]  And I don't think the justices at all seem inclined to go for this.
[00:22:48]  Yeah, because again, the argument from it does look like Kavanaugh is sympathetic to Trump, Thomas and Alito, of course, Roberts is on the fence, and Amy Coney Barrett seems to be leaning away.
[00:22:59]  So it looks like it might be.
[00:22:59]  I think it's going to be 6 3 or 7 2.
[00:23:01]  It's likely 6 3.
[00:23:02]  And I think the important thing is, I think people on the right often are like, if we don't get it this way, like it's a wrap, throw their hands in the air.
[00:23:11]  If you look at Democrats, whatever issue they had, including the ERA, they fight for it for decades.
[00:23:17]  They never give up.
[00:23:17]  They're like, let's try this route.
[00:23:18]  Let's try this route.
[00:23:19]  Let's try this route.
[00:23:20]  So, I would tell people who are opposed to birthright citizenship, as I am, if this goes down, as it almost certainly will, don't say, like, well, America's done.
[00:23:28]  It's a wrap.
[00:23:29]  There are other mechanisms, there are things you can do to restrict the capacity of people to become citizens.
[00:23:35]  There's two large problems.
[00:23:37]  One, women.
[00:23:38]  Well, don't we know it?
[00:23:40]  As they vote, and they vote for these things, but all joking aside, as we've already stated, Barack Obama gets in and by decree says, These people have permanent status.
[00:23:49]  By decree, no, no, let's clarify that.
[00:23:51]  By decree, he says, I'm not going to force the law.
[00:23:53]  He literally, and all the lefty newspapers said, well, it's something called prosecutorial discretion.
[00:23:59]  Indeed.
[00:24:00]  Sometimes just not.
[00:24:00]  And then when Trump said we'll rescind it, this court said you can't.
[00:24:03]  Right.
[00:24:04]  So, the issue we have is that Democrats rule by decree every time they get in, and Republicans are constrained and must sit back.
[00:24:12]  It's not just Democrats, it's that our judicial system is heavily in favor of the Democratic perspective.
[00:24:17]  Right.
[00:24:17]  So, however you want to frame this problem, this problem exists.
[00:24:19]  Yes.
[00:24:20]  The second problem is that now that the Supreme Court is offered up this, conservatives are the people who say, I know that this is destroying my home, my way of life, and the gifts that I will leave my children.
[00:24:36]  But it's the right thing to do.
[00:24:37]  And Democrats are like, thank you for bending the knee and dying for me.
[00:24:40]  Well, like if I had a bunch of cattle walk onto my property, I'd want to be like, I need to get these cattle off my property.
[00:24:47]  That doesn't mean at any means necessarily.
[00:24:49]  If I just.
[00:24:49]  When you want free cattle?
[00:24:51]  What's that?
[00:24:51]  When you want free cattle?
[00:24:52]  What if I just slaughtered all the cattle?
[00:24:54]  That would be like, bro, that's probably illegal, firstly, because they're not yours, even though they're on your property.
[00:24:59]  This is old law, bro.
[00:25:01]  You can't kill just cows on your property.
[00:25:04]  This is one of the most common problems.
[00:25:06]  This is America.
[00:25:07]  One of the most common problems that Americans have faced is cattle going on someone else's property.
[00:25:11]  So there's ways.
[00:25:11]  Oh, yeah, it belongs to somebody.
[00:25:13]  Okay, I think they're wild.
[00:25:14]  There's ways to remove the wild cattle.
[00:25:18]  The problem on your property being non citizens.
[00:25:20]  There's ways to get rid of them that don't imply you can't just assert everything all at once.
[00:25:24]  Yeah, or you can't necessarily evict every seven month old that was.
[00:25:29]  So I don't.
[00:25:29]  I got to tell you, as someone who wasn't born in this country, sorry to interrupt you.
[00:25:32]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[00:25:33]  Really?
[00:25:33]  Go ahead.
[00:25:34]  Out.
[00:25:35]  Look who's talking.
[00:25:37]  I think legal immigration is probably a bigger problem than illegal immigration.
[00:25:41]  Why?
[00:25:42]  Yeah.
[00:25:42]  Because for myriad reasons.
[00:25:44]  Because, first of all, there's a universal, and I'm saying this as a legal immigrant, there's a universal belief that legal immigration is sacrosanct, that this is something we need more of, that if someone's an illegal immigrant, they're beyond the pale in terms of criticism.
[00:25:56]  It's crazy.
[00:25:57]  No, immigration is a hose valve that you open and close to turn on the situation.
[00:26:01]  America's overloaded with immigrants at the moment.
[00:26:03]  We don't need more.
[00:26:04]  And I don't vote.
[00:26:05]  We got robots coming up, too.
[00:26:06]  So there's going to be another underclass of workers that are robots.
[00:26:08]  They're not going to be an underclass.
[00:26:09]  They're just going to be machines.
[00:26:10]  They're going to be overloaded.
[00:26:11]  They won't even be a class.
[00:26:12]  They'll just be augmented.
[00:26:13]  Workforce.
[00:26:14]  Well, I mean, that's like calling cars underclass, right?
[00:26:15]  Like, I mean, cars replaced animals as transportation.
[00:26:20]  They're not an underclass.
[00:26:21]  They're just machines.
[00:26:22]  As an anarchist, I just need to stress we must assert our authority, our power over the world that we want and not let other people do so.
[00:26:32]  Okay, that's true.
[00:26:33]  But I'm saying I think I have much less power than the Supreme Court does.
[00:26:36]  So you think that Congress has to address this?
[00:26:38]  I think that is what the founding fathers would have done.
[00:26:40]  Okay, but hold on.
[00:26:41]  Again, to clarify, what you're saying is Congress should repeal the 14th Amendment.
[00:26:44]  We're going to repeal and change however that works.
[00:26:46]  They can amend it.
[00:26:47]  They don't have.
[00:26:47]  To repeat it, but clarify it.
[00:26:49]  So, here's how you do it.
[00:26:50]  I'm all seriousness.
[00:26:51]  They can clarify it and have the Supreme Court validate that clarification.
[00:26:55]  That's how I would like it.
[00:26:58]  I think that this argument is the structure of our government is conducive to its own destruction.
[00:27:08]  Yes.
[00:27:08]  Yes.
[00:27:09]  That's the problem with the First Amendment, too.
[00:27:12]  It should apply to source code.
[00:27:13]  Like, you want to talk about free speech on the internet?
[00:27:15]  These machines are talking to each other with code.
[00:27:17]  Like, it's a whole other rabbit hole.
[00:27:20]  Can I say one more thing?
[00:27:21]  I think you'd agree with me.
[00:27:22]  Is it about source code?
[00:27:23]  No, I don't.
[00:27:23]  Okay, thank God.
[00:27:24]  I'm a bit of a boomer that I don't know that.
[00:27:26]  No.
[00:27:27]  I think it's easy.
[00:27:30]  Illegal immigration is a huge problem, especially the numbers we saw during the Biden administration.
[00:27:34]  But there's plenty of American citizens who are also a huge problem.
[00:27:37]  We've got to go.
[00:27:38]  Yeah.
[00:27:38]  That point is, even if you banished every illegal immigrant tomorrow, the idea that America is somehow going to be saved, I think, is inaccurate.
[00:27:44]  No, but actually, if the children of immigrants did not vote, Republicans would win every election.
[00:27:50]  So, what if.
[00:27:51]  It's true.
[00:27:52]  In order to be.
[00:27:52]  All right.
[00:27:53]  President McCain, we got it.
[00:27:54]  What if, in order to be a citizen, one of your parents has to be a citizen?
[00:27:59]  Yeah.
[00:27:59]  End of story.
[00:28:00]  So, the lie that we see in the corporate press, they said.
[00:28:03]  Trump put out a statement saying we're the only country stupid enough to do this.
[00:28:06]  And then CNN, the New York Times, they're like, not true.
[00:28:09]  30 countries do, which is a lie.
[00:28:11]  We are the only country.
[00:28:13]  There are a lot of countries that claim a birthright citizenship, but it all has a prerequisite to some form of allegiance.
[00:28:19]  Like they have these stipulations.
[00:28:21]  You legally live here or one of your parents is a citizen.
[00:28:24]  I don't like that argument either because they're two types of countries.
[00:28:26]  America are assholes.
[00:28:27]  And just because we're the only ones who do it doesn't mean it's wrong.
[00:28:29]  Like we're the only ones who do it, it could be that we're right.
[00:28:32]  So you're saying it's good.
[00:28:33]  No, I'm just saying that's not a good argument against this.
[00:28:36]  My argument is this we are beset on all sides by power structures that are intent on destroying us.
[00:28:40]  That's true.
[00:28:41]  And they exploit every opportunity.
[00:28:43]  And while they're setting fires, we're reviewing the contract.
[00:28:47]  Yeah, it does feel like it's an emergency, but it shouldn't always be treated like that's what you're saying about executive orders because they'll say, hey, we have to do this now.
[00:28:56]  It's been building up for 25 years.
[00:28:57]  We have to act.
[00:28:58]  More than 25.
[00:28:59]  More than 25.
[00:28:59]  But we don't have to act now.
[00:29:01]  We just have to act.
[00:29:02]  And it has to be done right.
[00:29:03]  This is not something that's going to be solved overnight.
[00:29:06]  There has to be a long term systemic approach to this.
[00:29:08]  Yeah.
[00:29:08]  Why have they not?
[00:29:09]  Like, maybe if there was a kid, you have to, one of your parents has to be a citizen.
[00:29:13]  Like, how complicated?
[00:29:14]  That's so simple.
[00:29:14]  It's not simple because you have a whole organization in this country for decades designed to keep that from happening.
[00:29:19]  Yeah.
[00:29:19]  Maybe, but hold on.
[00:29:20]  Here's an idea.
[00:29:20]  That's what you're up against.
[00:29:21]  That's what you have to realize.
[00:29:22]  Maybe Trump can form like a specific law enforcement with focus on people who are improperly naturalized that could go seek these people out.
[00:29:31]  And we could call it something like the Supplemental Squadron.
[00:29:34]  Like, nice.
[00:29:35]  We call it nice.
[00:29:36]  We call them the Supplemental Squadron.
[00:29:38]  They know SS.
[00:29:39]  And then you'd put SS.
[00:29:40]  On their lapels.
[00:29:43]  I think people on the right underestimate how culturally left wing America often is.
[00:29:47]  Oh, yes, completely.
[00:29:48]  Oh, my God.
[00:29:49]  I was on Fox saying this that people are in favor of deporting illegal immigrants, but not through force.
[00:29:54]  They can have these contradictory ideas in their head at the same time with a straight face.
[00:29:58]  No, no, no.
[00:29:59]  But this was my argument two years ago during the election cycle.
[00:30:02]  I said if Donald Trump is to have his mass deportations, it must be done by men wearing polo shirts and khakis.
[00:30:08]  Right, yeah.
[00:30:09]  I'm not even joking.
[00:30:09]  Yeah, you're right.
[00:30:10]  You're speaking to my point, exactly.
[00:30:12]  The American people do.
[00:30:13]  I said, we cannot have soldiers and men invest with guns loading people into vans and dragging them off.
[00:30:19]  No one will tolerate that.
[00:30:20]  And guess what?
[00:30:22]  This is what happened.
[00:30:22]  That's exactly right.
[00:30:23]  Trump's approval dropped on this.
[00:30:25]  The Republicans said, we have to back off mass deportation.
[00:30:27]  We're hurting in the Hispanic voter bloc.
[00:30:29]  And also, whites.
[00:30:32]  Because white women do not like seeing these images.
[00:30:34]  No, no way.
[00:30:34]  That's Karen.
[00:30:35]  And we knew.
[00:30:36]  What did we say every night this came up?
[00:30:38]  We said they are going to make videos of Donald Trump.
[00:30:40]  They're going to say he's Hitler.
[00:30:41]  They're going to say he's the SS and they're loading people into trains.
[00:30:44]  And it's exactly what they've been doing.
[00:30:45]  Everyone saw it coming from space.
[00:30:47]  From space.
[00:30:48]  You could see it from space.
[00:30:48]  We were talking about it during the Iowa caucus.
[00:30:50]  If you want to check it, it was the first time it came up in public discourse.
[00:30:53]  Like with us, I'm the first one to fucking bring that up in the world.
[00:30:57]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:30:58]  Sorry.
[00:30:59]  But like, it's first time that Nietzsche didn't see that.
[00:31:03]  Didn't understand the optic thing and they did it anyway.
[00:31:05]  Like, he's in charge.
[00:31:06]  I think their point is they wanted people to be scared so they self deport.
[00:31:11]  I think that's the argument for the suits, the military vision.
[00:31:14]  Yeah.
[00:31:15]  Because you're going to have to, you're going to, a lot more are going to have to be self deported than physically removed.
[00:31:19]  Yeah.
[00:31:20]  So their argument is if we make it scary, people are going to be like, deuces, I'm out of here.
[00:31:23]  Okay.
[00:31:24]  You can make that.
[00:31:24]  I understand that argument.
[00:31:25]  That's a good, I mean, that's a relative.
[00:31:27]  Yeah.
[00:31:27]  Let's jump to this story from ABC 7.
[00:31:29]  Illinois Attorney General vows to fight President Trump's executive order on mail in voting.
[00:31:36]  They say that the president signed an executive order.
[00:31:38]  Now, for those that missed this, we talked about it yesterday, it requires DHS to create a list of all U.S. citizens eligible to vote.
[00:31:44]  And then instructs the post office not to send out any mail in ballots to individuals who are not eligible.
[00:31:50]  And that is within his authority.
[00:31:52]  Now they're vowing to fight this and sue him over it, which is where things get really interesting.
[00:31:56]  If this works, this is Trump salvo number one Republicans win everything.
[00:32:01]  I don't think this is going to work.
[00:32:02]  Why not?
[00:32:03]  Because historically, it's the states that decide the correct periods for who gets to vote.
[00:32:07]  That's going to be their argument.
[00:32:08]  And that's the argument.
[00:32:09]  I'm not against him.
[00:32:10]  No, no, no, hold on.
[00:32:11]  Hold on.
[00:32:11]  Yes, but he's not telling the states they can't.
[00:32:14]  He's saying the post office cannot deliver them.
[00:32:17]  Now, that is within federal jurisdiction.
[00:32:19]  But the result, they're going to argue, and I think they're easily going to win, that the consequence is the same.
[00:32:24]  They're not going to win legitimately, but if your argument is the judges in the local government will be corrupt.
[00:32:28]  Well, I mean, if that's the argument, the argument is simply corrupt Democrats will do whatever they want.
[00:32:34]  But here's the argument Trump is making.
[00:32:35]  He will have members of the post office prosecuted if they do.
[00:32:39]  He won't.
[00:32:40]  Well, I agree that he won't actually do anything.
[00:32:42]  Right, exactly.
[00:32:43]  And it goes back to the problem we presented in the previous segment that Republicans just complain.
[00:32:47]  Democrats are lighting things on fire while Republicans review the contract.
[00:32:50]  Even if it tries to get anything, even if they try to do any kind of prosecuting or whatever, there's going to be a judge somewhere that's going to put an injunction on it immediately.
[00:33:00]  Immediately.
[00:33:01]  There's the, what is it, Curtis Yarvin quote that Republicans treat power the way an alcoholic, I'm sorry.
[00:33:08]  Republicans treat power the way a wine snob treats alcohol, and Democrats treat power the way an alcoholic treats alcohol.
[00:33:14]  Yeah.
[00:33:15]  And this is why the Democrats are often going to win.
[00:33:18]  Yep.
[00:33:19]  But I don't think, I think, also to your point, I don't think there's the MAGA vision, even though Trump got 51%.
[00:33:26]  Not 100% of those voters are MAGA.
[00:33:30]  Not all those voters are MAGA voters.
[00:33:31]  Right.
[00:33:32]  What does it mean to be MAGA?
[00:33:33]  Trump supporters.
[00:33:34]  I'm sorry.
[00:33:35]  They prefer, they might have preferred Trump to Officer Harris, but they didn't sign on for all this stuff.
[00:33:39]  They're not ideological.
[00:33:40]  DEI Officer Harris.
[00:33:41]  Look at Joe Rogan.
[00:33:43]  So, the point is, he's got a lot less wiggle room than people expect him to enact things.
[00:33:49]  And that's a problem.
[00:33:50]  And this is the problem with the right in general.
[00:33:52]  The left is a cult, and the right is a fragmented network of various.
[00:33:56]  Someone should write a book about that called The New Right.
[00:33:59]  If this were to, his executive order were to go through and the post office could no longer deliver, would the states there be able to sign up a contract with UPS?
[00:34:06]  No.
[00:34:07]  There's no way.
[00:34:08]  There's no federal.
[00:34:09]  Because then you have private people handling ballots, and there's no way that that's going to be allowed.
[00:34:14]  A private company?
[00:34:15]  Yeah.
[00:34:15]  You're not going to be able to.
[00:34:16]  But our voting machines are private, tally the division.
[00:34:18]  But they're under the jurisdiction of the voting officials.
[00:34:23]  Like they don't, those voting, they don't have, they don't have touching it.
[00:34:29]  I also, but I also think like Trump isn't that, these ideas are, make common sense, but they're not popular.
[00:34:36]  No.
[00:34:36]  That's the problem.
[00:34:38]  Because they're mean.
[00:34:39]  Right.
[00:34:39]  Like if we could just get people to be a little mean politically, only politically, mean for like five years.
[00:34:49]  For two presidential terms, mean.
[00:34:51]  And that would win.
[00:34:52]  It's actually simple.
[00:34:53]  The Republicans are not willing to be evil enough.
[00:34:56]  Well, the media makes it.
[00:34:57]  You can't get.
[00:34:58]  Go ahead.
[00:34:58]  Because the world economic order is.
[00:35:01]  If the Republicans were evil.
[00:35:02]  We can use our media to.
[00:35:03]  What?
[00:35:03]  Can Ian talk?
[00:35:04]  Well, I said something, then you addressed me, then Ian started talking.
[00:35:06]  And then I tried countering what you were saying.
[00:35:09]  Okay.
[00:35:09]  I said they're not evil enough, and you made a comment.
[00:35:13]  You were going to make a comment, something that wouldn't accomplish it.
[00:35:16]  What was the point?
[00:35:16]  I was going to wait for Ian.
[00:35:17]  I'll talk up for Ian.
[00:35:18]  Well, I said this, then you responded, but Ian started talking over.
[00:35:20]  You.
[00:35:20]  That's what I'll defer to you.
[00:35:21]  Let's go.
[00:35:22]  I will defer to Ian.
[00:35:23]  Okay, so I will say it again.
[00:35:24]  The Republicans are not evil enough to solve these problems.
[00:35:27]  And I was saying that the media, the people that are overseeing the transition to the New World Order, they're trying to destroy the United States' Constitution, are making it look evil.
[00:35:36]  They're trying to make it look as evil as possible.
[00:35:38]  Right.
[00:35:38]  And we knew that that would happen.
[00:35:39]  And the Republicans aren't doing anything evil, and that's why they're losing.
[00:35:43]  War is basically, what did Noam Chomsky say?
[00:35:47]  In the arena of violence, the most brutal guy wins.
[00:35:49]  That's right.
[00:35:50]  And that's.
[00:35:51]  The fact of reality.
[00:35:52]  When you look at the international conflict, I look at the Iran war functionally.
[00:35:56]  I look at the interventions functionally.
[00:35:58]  Is it going to benefit the American people?
[00:36:00]  Will there be massive moral damage and collateral damage?
[00:36:02]  Will the end result be net positive?
[00:36:04]  And we tend to see these interventions a net negative.
[00:36:06]  That being said, if Trump wins in Iran, the United States will see a massive economic net positive from control of international energy.
[00:36:13]  If we don't, China does.
[00:36:15]  That's not a moral argument, that is an economic argument.
[00:36:19]  Right now in the United States, Donald Trump has many options to win the culture war outright and has not done any of them.
[00:36:28]  He is doing everything above board and procedurally.
[00:36:30]  And by evil, I mean false flags.
[00:36:33]  That's the easiest example, right?
[00:36:35]  If Trump got some intel guys to stage a false flag like Lemnitzer wanted to do with the Cubans, then it wouldn't matter if you're mean.
[00:36:42]  Because the American people would beg for the hammer.

=== Right Wing Violence Debate (07:29) ===

[00:36:45]  I think there's a big asymmetry, and I'm confident you all will agree, between the acceptability in our culture of leftist violence and use of power and right wing violence and use of power.
[00:36:56]  Do you think that that's a phenomenon?
[00:36:58]  I don't completely agree.
[00:36:59]  Do you think that that's a phenomenon because of the fact that the left views violence as a knob and the right views violence as a switch?
[00:37:05]  I think the right, correctly, Is more scared of the pervasiveness of violence in a culture because they know it gets out of control.
[00:37:12]  This is why they're very much for law and order.
[00:37:14]  And I think the left is like, this is one of the tools in our toolbox, and we could always blame it on the right.
[00:37:20]  The right does not use violence at all.
[00:37:21]  There's no switch.
[00:37:23]  This is a left framing.
[00:37:24]  The left framing is that when a wackaloon guy claims he's a Christian and murders people, he represents all Republicans and all conservatives.
[00:37:30]  Historically, there has been right wing violence, so I disagree with that.
[00:37:35]  My point is when we say the left is violent, we're referring to a general acceptance of the diversity of tactics among all liberals.
[00:37:40]  And when you say the right has violence, you're referring only to the fringe crazies that no one agrees with.
[00:37:44]  That's right.
[00:37:46]  So again, a guy who claims to be a Christian who goes and murders a bunch of people does not represent anyone on the right, and the right rejects it.
[00:37:52]  On the left, Antifa throws a mouth at a cop, and the left goes, well, we respect their tactics.
[00:37:57]  It's a legit literal quote.
[00:38:00]  Right.
[00:38:00]  Respect the diversity of tactics.
[00:38:02]  And this is a problem.
[00:38:04]  It's asymmetrical warfare.
[00:38:05]  The underdog, they're viewed as the underdog because they're fighting against the system.
[00:38:08]  No, no, no, no.
[00:38:09]  I think why I disagree with you when you said we tolerate left and not the right.
[00:38:13]  The tolerance is not due to a perception of the violence, it's due to a fear of the violence.
[00:38:18]  People don't speak up against the left because they'll lose their jobs.
[00:38:22]  During the censorship era, if you were at work, like the guy at Netflix who said, here's a list of racial slurs not to say, they fired him.
[00:38:29]  This censorship period, which we see now at the NBA with this crazy story, if you at work said, F Donald Trump, you're fine.
[00:38:36]  If you said, F LGBTQIA, you're fired.
[00:38:40]  The tolerance for these threats is not because people accept their causes, it's because they're terrified of the violence.
[00:38:46]  If you speak out against the far left, they will beat you to death.
[00:38:49]  If you speak out against, I called, I referred to this as, there's Pascal's wager, and I made a joke about it, calling it Pasobic's wager or something like that, where I said, so are you familiar with Pascal's wager?
[00:39:03]  Of course, yes.
[00:39:03]  That's Scott Adams did it.
[00:39:05]  Pascal's wager?
[00:39:06]  Scott Adams did it before he died, yeah.
[00:39:08]  Oh, right, right, right.
[00:39:09]  Which doesn't work.
[00:39:10]  But anyway, we spoke to Christians on the show, and they're like, no, he's going to go to hell.
[00:39:14]  He's going to be without God's love.
[00:39:15]  But anyway, the point is, I think I referred to this as Pasobic's wager.
[00:39:18]  We can call it Adams's wager.
[00:39:19]  It goes like this.
[00:39:20]  If you are left wing and the right wins, you are fine.
[00:39:26]  If you are left wing and the left wins, you are fine.
[00:39:30]  If you are right wing and the right wins, you are fine.
[00:39:35]  If you are right wing and the left wing wins, you will die.
[00:39:38]  Which means in this quadrant, normies will always avoid being right wing because the safest bet will always be just left.
[00:39:45]  The average man does not want to be free, simply wants to be safe, as Megan said.
[00:39:49]  I disagree slightly because I do think a lot of people.
[00:39:52]  We were in favor of the BLM riots and not simply because of fear.
[00:39:56]  They thought it was coming from a good place.
[00:39:57]  Yes.
[00:39:58]  Yeah, that's the leftism in this country.
[00:40:00]  I think it comes from our revolution against the king because that was the rightists, was the monarchy.
[00:40:04]  And so we had kind of a leftist revolution.
[00:40:06]  And then Thomas Jefferson saying, like, you know, the tree of liberty must be watered down.
[00:40:11]  She regretted saying.
[00:40:11]  And so he wrote, I should not have said that.
[00:40:13]  It was sort of a leftist thing to say, like, we need to be willing to.
[00:40:17]  And then he wrote saying that was wrong.
[00:40:19]  And there's a lot of sentiment now in the United States, like, yeah, overthrow tyranny.
[00:40:23]  We want to be the underground.
[00:40:23]  But again, I got to stress this.
[00:40:25]  The left did not support the BLM riots, they did not know they happened.
[00:40:29]  Michael Tracy did a great report on this.
[00:40:31]  That's fair.
[00:40:32]  Highlighting all the small towns where there was massive violence, and leftists don't know it happened.
[00:40:36]  Ferguson, these other places, there's a lot of belief, I think, in independent and left wing circles that there must be mitigating factors.
[00:40:43]  No, You don't think that's their view?
[00:40:45]  If you go to the average left liberal, they couldn't tell you what happened in Ferguson.
[00:40:49]  There was an article written in defense of looting.
[00:40:52]  Okay.
[00:40:52]  And the perception among liberals was that black people in Ferguson rose up against the oppressive police, busted up all the stores, and took back property owned by foreigners.
[00:41:03]  The real story, as I was on the ground, is that the local black people were begging the police for help to stop.
[00:41:10]  Outsiders from looting their businesses.
[00:41:12]  The left did not know what actually happened.
[00:41:15]  They did not defend what happened.
[00:41:16]  They supported this idea that didn't exist.
[00:41:20]  Sure, but my point is that's my point.
[00:41:21]  They are supporting this idea of broadly speaking, blocking violence.
[00:41:25]  So the clarification is when you say there's tolerance for looting violence, my disagreement is the left is wholly ignorant of the violence that is done in their names.
[00:41:32]  Sure, okay.
[00:41:33]  And the people who are aware fear retribution by those who wield the violence.
[00:41:38]  I think there's people who are aware who don't fear the retribution or in favor of it.
[00:41:42]  So, if the argument is there are leftist ideologues that support the violence, of course there are.
[00:41:47]  Sure.
[00:41:47]  The average budget I think there's more left wing ideologues who support left wing violence than there are right wing ideologues who would support right wing violence.
[00:41:57]  That is correct.
[00:41:57]  But I would argue this go to any liberal and ask them about M29, and they'll say, What's that?
[00:42:03]  Ask them about the 150 law enforcement officers that were beaten and attacked during the insurrection at the White House, and they'll say, That never happened.
[00:42:10]  Yeah.
[00:42:12]  They just don't know.
[00:42:13]  And so they'll say the BLM riots may have been violent, but it was for a good cause.
[00:42:17]  You'd be like, like when they mercilessly beat 100 plus cops and set fire to St. John's Church.
[00:42:21]  They'll go, that never happened.
[00:42:22]  Or they'd hand wave it away.
[00:42:24]  That's not what I'm talking about.
[00:42:25]  I don't mean that part.
[00:42:26]  There's like great examples of this with Billboard Chris.
[00:42:28]  There's a viral video where he asks a guy, like, the guy comes up complaining, saying, you're bigots.
[00:42:34]  And he says, we just don't think underage girls, prebabescent girls, should get their breast tissue removed.
[00:42:39]  And the kid goes, that's not happening.
[00:42:40]  And then Billboard Chris takes his phone, plays a video from a children's hospital saying, we do it.
[00:42:44]  And he goes, Yeah, well, the parents are allowed to decide.
[00:42:47]  And he goes, but now you've changed your position.
[00:42:48]  Well, it's Rob Henderson.
[00:42:51]  Which is?
[00:42:52]  It's not happening.
[00:42:53]  Right.
[00:42:53]  Yeah.
[00:42:54]  Yeah, it's not a big deal.
[00:42:55]  It's a good thing, actually, the people complaining about the problem.
[00:42:58]  Those are the four steps.
[00:42:59]  First, it's you're lying, it didn't happen.
[00:43:00]  Right.
[00:43:01]  No, it's not a big deal.
[00:43:02]  If it was happening, who cares?
[00:43:03]  It's not a big deal.
[00:43:04]  Then, sure, but it's very few people anyway.
[00:43:05]  And then, why do you care so much?
[00:43:07]  And, actually, it's a good thing.
[00:43:08]  And then, also, you're the problem.
[00:43:10]  Yep.
[00:43:10]  Yeah, you're probably.
[00:43:11]  You're only bringing this up to promote transphobia or racism.
[00:43:14]  You don't really care.
[00:43:15]  Which is why, you know, what's really funny is there's this.
[00:43:18]  We've mentioned it a little bit because you brought it up this campaign where there's clearly AI bots that are attacking me and a handful of other people.
[00:43:26]  So it's like me, Jack Basobic, Tucker.
[00:43:31]  There is a coordinated effort to sow discontent on the right so that factions can't come together.
[00:43:36]  And the left is just a cult, which is the issue that we have, I suppose.
[00:43:43]  So long as the left is good at this and they are fomenting hatred among right wing factions with each other.
[00:43:49]  They're going to.
[00:43:51]  They've also had a lot more practice.
[00:43:53]  Yep.
[00:43:53]  They've been reading a lot more books.
[00:43:55]  40 years of using the media.
[00:43:56]  And also 40 years of holding Congress in a row.
[00:43:59]  People forget about that.
[00:44:00]  To not hate each other, you know, I try not to use double negatives, but to love each other, it's such a vague thing.
[00:44:05]  But it really is like Tim and Candace sitting down and hanging out and getting over it is the antidote to the whole.
[00:44:10]  I disagree.
[00:44:11]  Yeah, I disagree.
[00:44:11]  Well, the media is fervent.
[00:44:13]  I like people to hate each other.

=== Allying With Evil Risks (14:56) ===

[00:44:15]  No, I think the issue is, Ian, you need to understand that evil is real.
[00:44:19]  It doesn't mean you can't ally with it.
[00:44:20]  I agree with you that sometimes people can be horrible people, but you still need to ally with them for an ongoing purpose.
[00:44:26]  Of course.
[00:44:27]  No.
[00:44:27]  What do you mean?
[00:44:28]  Just because you say it's a course doesn't mean that it's true.
[00:44:30]  The Soviet Union in the United States defeating the Nazis together.
[00:44:36]  I knew you were going to do that.
[00:44:39]  I knew it.
[00:44:39]  Is signing your own death warrant.
[00:44:40]  Could have had such a better example.
[00:44:42]  It's the main one.
[00:44:45]  No, the main one is you've hired mercenaries that are bloodthirsty for you.
[00:44:48]  It's the main one.
[00:44:48]  Supporting a politician who's a sociopath because he's going to put policies you like.
[00:44:51]  That's an example.
[00:44:52]  That's another one.
[00:44:52]  We could all agree with.
[00:44:53]  Or if Kim Jong un ran for office, but she was like, we're going to end the birthright citizenship day one, you'd be like, or if the Israeli government killed 30,000 children and we ally with them to destroy and take over the Middle East.
[00:45:05]  That's a reasonable alliance, even though what they did is pretty horrific if that's what they did.
[00:45:09]  Who were you referencing?
[00:45:10]  If the Israeli government slaughtered Gazans, like children in Gaza, and we allied with them anyway for our goal, that would be like an example of allying with potentially evil, if you want to call that evil.
[00:45:20]  I feel like that's another bad example.
[00:45:22]  But friendship and alliances are not the same.
[00:45:26]  Allying with the Taliban.
[00:45:28]  Because they were trying to end child rape.
[00:45:30]  So the U.S. fought the Taliban and allied with the child rapists because they wanted to remove the Taliban.
[00:45:35]  Or, like, allies.
[00:45:36]  I would call that a very bad thing.
[00:45:37]  Like, didn't Obama allied with ISIS?
[00:45:39]  He helped even create ISIS?
[00:45:41]  Technically, but not directly.
[00:45:42]  No.
[00:45:43]  Obama created ISIS, yes.
[00:45:45]  Well, I agree.
[00:45:47]  It's just that Obama did not sign a document saying we're going to create ISIS.
[00:45:50]  Obama armed rebel factions, which were radical Islamists.
[00:45:54]  Right, yes, yes.
[00:45:54]  And those powers coalesced into ISIS.
[00:45:56]  If he did not provide the weapons, they would, then arguably, ISIS would never have gained the strength to become as large as they did.
[00:46:04]  ISIS preceded Obama.
[00:46:06]  No, it didn't.
[00:46:08]  The Islamic State.
[00:46:08]  I mean, Wahhabi, Sunni Wahhabi, or whatever.
[00:46:12]  ISIS.
[00:46:13]  Am I being April fooled?
[00:46:14]  No.
[00:46:15]  You're saying ISIS only started after.
[00:46:17]  Oh my God, I'm thinking of Al Qaeda.
[00:46:19]  Sorry, Biden moment.
[00:46:20]  Biden moment.
[00:46:21]  Biden moment.
[00:46:21]  Oh, you're thinking of Al Qaeda.
[00:46:23]  Michael.
[00:46:23]  It was confusing.
[00:46:23]  Holy crap.
[00:46:24]  I thought you meant Al Qaeda.
[00:46:25]  No, no, no.
[00:46:26]  Yep, this is all on me.
[00:46:27]  So what happens.
[00:46:27]  No, no, you're right.
[00:46:28]  You're right.
[00:46:28]  You're right.
[00:46:29]  No, no, but I'll just explain to people.
[00:46:31]  Syria falls into chaos and protest.
[00:46:33]  Damn.
[00:46:33]  Assad is accused of having his security forces shoot armed protesters.
[00:46:38]  Right.
[00:46:38]  He calls them terrorists.
[00:46:40]  This creates a bunch of splinter factions.
[00:46:42]  There were around 12, the Free Syrian Army being one of the most prominent.
[00:46:45]  Obama's policy was it was, what was it, Timberwood or whatever?
[00:46:50]  Sycamore?
[00:46:51]  Timber Sycamore?
[00:46:51]  Yes, yeah, yeah, Timber Sycamore, I think it was.
[00:46:54]  To provide weapons to rebel factions in Syria because they will remove Assad.
[00:46:58]  And Assad was in the way of our gas pipeline.
[00:47:01]  Well, the problem is these factions were secular and fairly weak.
[00:47:05]  And the Islamic fundamentalists started to take control of these factions and coalesce them into a single group that wanted just the caliphate.
[00:47:12]  That isn't what Obama was trying to do, arguably.
[00:47:15]  Some would argue he was.
[00:47:17]  And he didn't make ISIS happen.
[00:47:20]  He provided the means by which ISIS became strong and dominant.
[00:47:23]  So people will hyperbolically say he created ISIS.
[00:47:26]  This is also us supporting the Taliban to fight the Soviets.
[00:47:29]  And this is how we know if we arm the Kurds, we're going to be fighting them in 20 years.
[00:47:32]  Or how about the Azov battalion?
[00:47:33]  Yeah, right.
[00:47:34]  It's a risk you take allying with evil.
[00:47:36]  It's not a risk, it's a certainty that whoever we arm, we're going to be fighting in 20 years.
[00:47:41]  It's a certainty.
[00:47:42]  Allying with evil, there's a risk.
[00:47:43]  Because, like, the Soviet Union was super powerful after World War II because we allied with them and won.
[00:47:47]  But arguably, would any of us even win without it?
[00:47:49]  But Ian, I will stress this.
[00:47:52]  But Ian, I will stress this.
[00:47:53]  Ian, I will stress this.
[00:47:53]  How many Russians died in World War II?
[00:47:55]  Indeed.
[00:47:55]  I don't know.
[00:47:56]  But there are degrees of evil, and there is a line.
[00:47:59]  So, if you know that there is a person who is like, the moment I get a chance, I will commit atrocities, then you say, then it's not worth it.
[00:48:08]  Well, if a situation was like your country was being destroyed literally in your last city, and it's like, well, we're all going to die, or we can ally with that crazy guy you just mentioned.
[00:48:17]  They ally with the crazy guy.
[00:48:19]  And that might be better because you might survive.
[00:48:21]  There are certainly circumstances.
[00:48:24]  And anyway, the reason I bring it up is because on the right, I feel like there's a fractured alliance that if we can come back together in reality.
[00:48:31]  Let us try this.
[00:48:32]  The reason why I would say there are certainly circumstances, as the U.S. has its interests in arming various rebel groups which turn on it.
[00:48:40]  However, there also is a line you would never cross, even facing existential crisis or death.
[00:48:46]  That's very Jesus Christ of you.
[00:48:47]  Like what?
[00:48:48]  No, but it's truth.
[00:48:51]  If the United States was like, there's the last bastion, one small town left surrounded by pedophiles.
[00:49:00]  Sure.
[00:49:00]  Literally.
[00:49:01]  And then a communist.
[00:49:03]  Who is holding a child by the head and saying, say Marx is my king.
[00:49:07]  And he goes, never.
[00:49:08]  And he slits his throat.
[00:49:09]  And then the kid dies and he looks at you and says, join me and we'll fight the pedophiles.
[00:49:12]  You'd be like, no.
[00:49:16]  Okay.
[00:49:17]  My point is what are you fighting for?
[00:49:20]  Sure.
[00:49:20]  If you would stand alongside someone that literally destroys what you're fighting for, sure.
[00:49:24]  An easy example is communists are, Chinese communists come to take over America.
[00:49:28]  And American communists say, when I take over, I'll do the exact same thing as them.
[00:49:35]  But at least I'm American, you wouldn't, you'd be like, but you're, no, there's no difference to me.
[00:49:40]  These are two evils, and I'm not going to accept either of them.
[00:49:43]  It's circumstantial.
[00:49:44]  Because if it's like, if we don't ally with the American communists, we're going to die, then you're like, well, no, The American communists are going to kill you too.
[00:49:52]  Is there like a little chance of them?
[00:49:54]  Join me, we'll stop the Chinese communists.
[00:49:56]  I'll kill you afterwards.
[00:49:57]  You'd be like, no, I'm not taming your evil.
[00:49:59]  You're going to kill my people no matter what.
[00:50:01]  Like, there's a line where there's a tremendous evil.
[00:50:04]  If you are fighting, it's like, If you are fighting evil to preserve your way of life and a secondary evil equally as a threat says, join me and we'll kill them and then I'll kill you, you'd be like, no.
[00:50:14]  No, you say yes and then you turn on the other people after the battle.
[00:50:18]  The point is, you're not powerful enough and you need assistance.
[00:50:21]  Like, my point is simply this you would not fight alongside a pedophile to stop a communist.
[00:50:28]  Like, if a guy was actively like, once we win this war, I'm going to go rape a bunch of people, you'd be like, I'm not fighting with you.
[00:50:32]  Are you nuts?
[00:50:33]  The thing is, if somebody was slaughtering civilians, I'd ally with pretty much anybody to stop them.
[00:50:37]  Pedophiles.
[00:50:39]  A bunch of short, chubby, mustachioed pedophiles who are begging for children are like, Ian, if you and I win this battle right now, we stop the communist threat and we get 100 children and we'll leave.
[00:50:48]  You'd be like, okay.
[00:50:49]  I'd be like, yeah.
[00:50:49]  That's what America did.
[00:50:50]  And then we would win the battle.
[00:50:51]  That's what America did to the Taliban.
[00:50:52]  And I think it was evil and wrong.
[00:50:56]  During the 2000s, the longest serving U.S. Speaker of the House in history, Dennis Hastert, was in fact a pedophile.
[00:51:06]  And I'm sure there's lots of people listening to this who knew that who would have preferred him as Speaker of the House over Pelosi, even given that.
[00:51:14]  Sure.
[00:51:14]  I'm not arguing that.
[00:51:16]  My point is, as I said, certainly there are circumstances.
[00:51:20]  I don't agree that's a good wager to make.
[00:51:24]  But I'm saying the U.S. chose to fight alongside pedophiles in Afghanistan to stop the Taliban.
[00:51:29]  And it was a big cover up, and the soldiers were told they could not report it.
[00:51:32]  It was in the New York Times from the page.
[00:51:33]  Yeah.
[00:51:33]  Yeah, huge news.
[00:51:34]  In this situation, it's like the liberal economic, the global technocratic machine wants to absorb everything.
[00:51:40]  And if we have to fight against that, if we have to preserve American freedoms, I'm willing to ally with evil Americans to make that happen because there's still America.
[00:51:48]  And they believe in the Constitution.
[00:51:50]  I don't know that the liberal technocratic machine is inherently evil in the first place.
[00:51:57]  Well, the way that he's talking about it, like if he's talking.
[00:52:01]  What do you consider the liberal technocratic machine?
[00:52:03]  Like, get in the pot, eat the bugs, be happy.
[00:52:06]  Everybody's a rental class.
[00:52:07]  If you say fuck online, you get your account demonetized.
[00:52:09]  You're paying attention to it.
[00:52:10]  So you're talking about some kind of a horrorist point.
[00:52:12]  No, no, you're not.
[00:52:13]  The reason we don't swear is not because we get censored.
[00:52:15]  It's because there are families who have their kids in the living room watching the show.
[00:52:18]  No, but we're also talking about horror.
[00:52:21]  But you don't.
[00:52:21]  You can use K.
[00:52:22]  I won't say it.
[00:52:23]  But that is the truth if you say the wrong words, this machine can turn you off and take your bank away.
[00:52:28]  That's what we're fighting against.
[00:52:29]  Not if you have the Rumble wallet at wallet.rumble.com.
[00:52:33]  I think the reason I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around your hypotheses is because I don't think the pedophiles are localized to one group.
[00:52:41]  So I think no matter who you work with, you're working with the pedophiles.
[00:52:45]  Sure, but my point was take the most extreme evil you can think of, and you'll be like, I would never work with those people.
[00:52:50]  I also think evil tends to be not efficacious, elaborate.
[00:52:56]  Meaning that the more evil you are, the harder it is to implement your plans because evil is that which at variance is.
[00:53:01]  I disagree.
[00:53:02]  I think the more evil you are, the easier it is to implement your plans.
[00:53:04]  Okay.
[00:53:05]  Well, I guess cheating is the cheating absolutely good is hard.
[00:53:08]  No, good is God.
[00:53:10]  That's why it's also easy, bro.
[00:53:12]  No, being good is God, and that's the challenge he bestows upon you.
[00:53:17]  The challenge is do you take the easy path towards comfort and success, or do you push the boulder up the hill and suffer for what is right, bro?
[00:53:25]  Being evil is the easiest way to go about this.
[00:53:27]  I don't think it's easy.
[00:53:28]  Let's let's talk like as I was talking about with Trump Trump wants to deal with Antifa, right?
[00:53:32]  Okay, you get it, you get a U.S. Intel asset.
[00:53:36]  Drug him up, dress him up like Antifa, and blow him up in a town square.
[00:53:40]  Then you put on a manifesto and say, Antifa is threatening more tax.
[00:53:43]  We won't allow it.
[00:53:44]  And then you start rounding up Antifa, problem solved.
[00:53:47]  I don't know that the sacrifice of one soldier in the face of a bigger war is something as evil as you're making it out to be.
[00:53:54]  Oh, you don't think that would be evil?
[00:53:57]  I would consider that evil.
[00:53:58]  For example, let's suppose one country is about to go to war with another country, which would guarantee thousands of innocent civilians, not to mention military, are going to die.
[00:54:06]  And you have the opportunity to Kill their leader and preempt it.
[00:54:09]  I don't think that's evil.
[00:54:10]  Well, you're just, but that's totally different.
[00:54:13]  It's not totally different.
[00:54:13]  It's one murder.
[00:54:14]  I'm talking about deceiving the people into rounding up a political ideology you don't like because a faction of them are over.
[00:54:21]  I don't think deceit is necessarily evil.
[00:54:24]  Well, agreed.
[00:54:25]  My point, but do you not, you think false flags are not evil?
[00:54:29]  I think you have to compare things to the alternative.
[00:54:31]  I'd rather have melanoma than pancreatic, right?
[00:54:33]  Well, but right, but that's not true.
[00:54:35]  Is that true?
[00:54:36]  So I think I would rather have a false flag that preempts a war than a war.
[00:54:39]  So your point is some.
[00:54:40]  You'd rather have less evil than more evil, but evil on the less.
[00:54:43]  Sure.
[00:54:44]  Because cancer is cancer, but some cancers are worse.
[00:54:46]  Correct.
[00:54:46]  My argument is being evil is easier.
[00:54:49]  I don't think being less evil is evil.
[00:54:52]  I think being less evil is good.
[00:54:54]  It's good to choose the less over the worse.
[00:54:56]  So if Donald Trump wanted to deal with, if he wanted to secure voting, for instance, for the midterms, the easiest thing he could do is have some Antifa guy blow himself up at a ballot box.
[00:55:08]  I don't think that's easy at all.
[00:55:11]  What do you mean?
[00:55:11]  Because I don't think the reaction would play out necessarily like you do, because I think a lot of times whatever happens, it's going to blow up in his face.
[00:55:18]  I mean, that's a maybe, except the history of false flags, so they tend to work.
[00:55:22]  Sure, but how often do you have a Donald Trump figure try to run a false flag?
[00:55:26]  During 2020, hold on, remember this.
[00:55:29]  During 2020, when Antifa was going to burn down that federal building, was that Seattle or Portland, whichever it was, they brought the attorney general in front of Congress to explain how dare you defend federal property from being burnt down.
[00:55:40]  Yeah.
[00:55:41]  So the point is, whatever Trump tries to poll, it's going to be looked at eight ways from Sunday.
[00:55:45]  If on May 29th.
[00:55:47]  What?
[00:55:47]  Is that a specific date for Sunday?
[00:55:49]  That's when the left ransacked the.
[00:55:50]  Okay.
[00:55:50]  Tore the barriers out at the White House, firebombed St. John's Church.
[00:55:53]  Which you never hear about.
[00:55:54]  Memory hold.
[00:55:55]  Because Trump isn't evil.
[00:55:57]  Because what an evil person would do is say, Tell me, so the president is evil, and they brief him and they say, Sir, you have to go to the bunker, emergency bunker.
[00:56:05]  He goes, Why?
[00:56:06]  What's happening?
[00:56:06]  They say there's thousands of protesters outside.
[00:56:08]  They're starting fires.
[00:56:09]  And then he says, Brief me.
[00:56:11]  What have they done?
[00:56:11]  Well, they've just set fire to the historic St. John's Church.
[00:56:14]  It's where the presidents pray.
[00:56:16]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:56:16]  Okay, well, Trump says, We got to stop it.
[00:56:19]  Right.
[00:56:19]  Bill Barr says, We got to stop it.
[00:56:21]  They do.
[00:56:22]  That's the right thing to do.
[00:56:23]  Correct.
[00:56:23]  I agree with you.
[00:56:24]  However, an evil man would say, No, let it burn.
[00:56:27]  Let the American icon burn to the ground.
[00:56:30]  You know why?
[00:56:30]  Because then in the morning, I will issue a statement that the far left extremists have destroyed.
[00:56:35]  A monument to America, and we will announce a crackdown.
[00:56:38]  And then Donald Trump could have come out after the far leftists tore the barricades down in front of the White House.
[00:56:44]  He could have ordered the police to stand down and back off.
[00:56:47]  The leftists would have broken into the White House, started rampaging and ransacking everything.
[00:56:51]  And he could have said, Everyone stand down.
[00:56:53]  And then in the morning, you know what he does?
[00:56:55]  He goes on TV and says, America, I owe you an apology.
[00:57:00]  When the peaceful protesters say.
[00:57:01]  You don't have a Trump voice?
[00:57:02]  What?
[00:57:02]  You don't have a Trump voice?
[00:57:04]  Come on.
[00:57:04]  I do.
[00:57:04]  Do it.
[00:57:05]  America.
[00:57:06]  There you go.
[00:57:06]  See?
[00:57:07]  I owe you an apology.
[00:57:08]  There you go.
[00:57:10]  Last night, we saw terror, the worst this country has ever seen, some say.
[00:57:16]  And what he would say is when thousands of peaceful protesters came out, we respected the First Amendment and the grief these people felt over the loss of life in Minnesota.
[00:57:29]  But when the extremists joined their ranks, unfortunately, our media reports did not convey the degree of violence that had been undertaken.
[00:57:39]  And for this, I made a grave error.
[00:57:42]  I instructed our law enforcement to stand down as we feared innocent, peaceful protesters could be hurt.
[00:57:49]  Well, it turns out that these individuals were, in fact, violent extremists.
[00:57:54]  They have destroyed the historic St. John's Church and they have laid waste to the White House.
[00:57:58]  And for that, I know you may never forgive me.
[00:58:00]  And for that, I will apologize at every opportunity.
[00:58:03]  But mark my words I will have justice.
[00:58:07]  And the American people will know justice as we seek these violent terrorists down.
[00:58:12]  Across the country and lock them up.
[00:58:15]  And then he creates a task force and a committee, the M29 committee.
[00:58:19]  And then they start holding hearings, bringing in leftists and saying, Did you have something to do with this?
[00:58:23]  They put these people in prison and they all get arrested.
[00:58:25]  I don't know why you say this is evil.
[00:58:27]  This sounds awesome.
[00:58:29]  Because the point is, Trump would intentionally foment the destruction of American icons and monuments for the purpose of installing a political agenda.
[00:58:38]  I don't know that he would, at least in this scenario, he wouldn't foment, he would have allowed it.
[00:58:42]  But also, I would argue that's a light degree of evil.
[00:58:45]  Everybody would be gaslit.
[00:58:47]  Into blaming Trump and say, and or simultaneously saying that nothing ever happened.
[00:58:51]  Well, the White House would be ransacked and St. John Church would be a pile of rubble.
[00:58:54]  And they'll say it's Trump's fault and they didn't impeach him and remove him from office.
[00:58:57]  Nope, nope.
[00:58:58]  You're right, they would.
[00:58:59]  And Trump would say, Well, you know, I apologize for this.
[00:59:02]  I do.
[00:59:03]  We saw the CNN was saying that it was peaceful and we believed it and that was my fault.
[00:59:09]  I should not have believed CNN when they lied.

=== Media Gaslighting Trump (04:41) ===

[00:59:11]  Let me ask you a question because I remember 2020 very vividly and I'm sure the people in this room as well.
[00:59:15]  Do you disagree with my contention that if Trump was didn't go as far as he did on COVID with many of the restrictions, either through his decisions and things he said, that he would have been impeached or removed from office.
[00:59:27]  If he didn't go as far as he did?
[00:59:28]  Correct.
[00:59:29]  If he was softer.
[00:59:30]  I feel like we need a little bit more specific.
[00:59:32]  Meaning, like, I remember those times, right?
[00:59:34]  And how scared everyone was, especially those first few days.
[00:59:37]  And Trump.
[00:59:38]  You're saying if he was like, no lockdowns, we're going to let everything roll.
[00:59:41]  And Trump wanted things to open up as fast as possible.
[00:59:43]  He's talking about all the time.
[00:59:44]  My point was, hold on, I'll just finish my point.
[00:59:45]  I think people don't appreciate to what extent Congress is against this guy, including Republicans.
[00:59:51]  I would love an excuse to remove him from office.
[00:59:53]  And I think people don't appreciate the severe impact Andy knows near death experience had on the American psyche.
[01:00:00]  People don't know who Andy is.
[01:00:02]  CNN was forced to come out and say the left has gone too far.
[01:00:05]  Fine.
[01:00:06]  That was a massive moment.
[01:00:07]  When photos of Andy No.
[01:00:08]  It was a massive moment, though.
[01:00:09]  Indeed, because the right never engages in false flags.
[01:00:13]  Right.
[01:00:13]  So when the left crossed the line and left Andy No bleeding from the ears and drenched with blood and broken teeth, all of the media was like, this is too much.
[01:00:23]  Steve Scalise got shot.
[01:00:24]  No Democrat defended it, to my knowledge.
[01:00:26]  Indeed.
[01:00:27]  And the point is, a week after that, everyone forgot about it.
[01:00:29]  People need to see it.
[01:00:30]  But the thing is.
[01:00:31]  You can't force them to see it because they don't want to show it to you.
[01:00:34]  If.
[01:00:35]  Trump were to engage in a sustained campaign, he would win.
[01:00:41]  I think you're wrong.
[01:00:42]  I think not because the media, it's only if it aligns with what the military industrial complex wants.
[01:00:47]  If they false flagged us into Iran, I can understand it.
[01:00:49]  But it has nothing to do with domestic conquest.
[01:00:51]  They want Antifa to run Rafshad to so disstable ability.
[01:00:55]  So I think they would expose him and throw him away.
[01:00:59]  We have seen numerous instances where the left went too far and we got the reaction from the corporate press in a shocking way.
[01:01:06]  It's just that it only happened two or three times.
[01:01:08]  Right.
[01:01:08]  But my point is, people have been primed for a decade to be told that in any minute now, Trump is going to put trans people in concentration camps.
[01:01:15]  Agreed.
[01:01:15]  So the second there's a hint of that, aha, told you so, and he's going to get removed.
[01:01:20]  Except if you shock the American people into a position where the media cannot gaslight.
[01:01:25]  I don't see that, that is where you and I disagree.
[01:01:28]  I don't think there's a possibility that people get so shocked that media can't gaslight.
[01:01:31]  If Andy No was beaten to death, the reaction would have been tenfold.
[01:01:35]  Ten times one is still going to be a small number.
[01:01:37]  Indeed.
[01:01:37]  It needs to be a consistent plan from Trump.
[01:01:40]  To continually lie and engage in false flags and manipulate the public like the left does.
[01:01:45]  Sure.
[01:01:45]  But if Trump was evil, he'd be doing it.
[01:01:47]  Point is, the left doesn't do it through one person.
[01:01:50]  Trump is just one man.
[01:01:51]  This has been systemic for decades from them.
[01:01:53]  I get it.
[01:01:54]  Trump's only there for four years.
[01:01:55]  But that's not addressing what my argument is.
[01:01:57]  But the point is, Trump does not have the space to do what the left does.
[01:01:59]  Perhaps that may be.
[01:02:01]  If Trump were to do what the left was doing, he'd win.
[01:02:04]  Win what?
[01:02:04]  You mean the culture war?
[01:02:05]  Culture war.
[01:02:06]  Okay.
[01:02:07]  I don't think the culture war could be won in four years.
[01:02:09]  I believe that January 6th was allowed to happen.
[01:02:12]  That we saw videos of police standing down and walking people in the building.
[01:02:15]  Sure.
[01:02:15]  Nancy Pelosi didn't bring in National Guard and neither did Bowser.
[01:02:19]  And I think the point was they said, no, no, let it happen.
[01:02:22]  Sure.
[01:02:22]  Because then they got their committees and their insurrection.
[01:02:25]  Right.
[01:02:25]  Trump could have done the same thing with the White House.
[01:02:29]  I just, I don't think there's a symmetry.
[01:02:31]  Yeah, the liberals, that establishment does false flags, you know, mechanically and industrially.
[01:02:36]  It's not one guy telling a lie.
[01:02:39]  There are people who will tell you right now that dozens of cops were killed on January 6th by that month.
[01:02:43]  Because New York Times lied.
[01:02:44]  I'm just saying, but you're not, we don't live in a truth based, humans aren't truth seeking animals, they're narrative seeking animals.
[01:02:51]  And their narrative for 10 years has been Trump is a Hitler waiting to happen.
[01:02:55]  That's been primed in people's heads.
[01:02:56]  And the second something like that happens, they're activated.
[01:02:58]  More people need to understand exactly what you just said.
[01:03:01]  And I don't even, and I think because of the way that people are, I don't think that they can actually wrap their heads around it.
[01:03:07]  So it might be a moot point to even bring it up.
[01:03:09]  But the fact that, like, the idea that people have that, you know, if you can just actually.
[01:03:15]  Have a discussion with people and you'll change their opinion.
[01:03:17]  Show them video.
[01:03:17]  No.
[01:03:18]  There are people who, Tim, we'll all agree with this.
[01:03:21]  There are many leftists that, if you play them the clip of Trump speaking at Charlottesville, will tell you, Yes, I heard him praising white supremacists.
[01:03:30]  They can play that tape from here until they die.
[01:03:32]  They will not hear it correctly.
[01:03:34]  So I would argue that that video actually is the greatest red pill for the average person.
[01:03:41]  And I hear so many of these stories where they say, I was a lib until I saw that video.
[01:03:46]  But if that video was as red pilling as you say, it would be 100% effective.

=== Operation Epic Decimated (15:31) ===

[01:03:52]  No, 100%.
[01:03:53]  If people were as massive, really objective, that video.
[01:03:55]  So, for the default libs, as Andrew Breipart called them, it almost is completely effective.
[01:04:02]  Is it your opinion that if you played that video in its entirety to everyone in America, they would all become NAGA?
[01:04:10]  Everyone?
[01:04:11]  No, of course not.
[01:04:11]  So, what percent do you think would change their minds?
[01:04:13]  Of default libs?
[01:04:14]  Yes.
[01:04:15]  60%?
[01:04:15]  I think it's 10.
[01:04:16]  Here we go.
[01:04:17]  That's our disagreement.
[01:04:18]  We got Trump.
[01:04:18]  It's 10.
[01:04:19]  Here he comes.
[01:04:19]  Here we go.
[01:04:20]  Hey.
[01:04:21]  Using a simple impression.
[01:04:22]  Thank you very much.
[01:04:23]  Thank you very much.
[01:04:24]  Mr. T. My fellow Americans, good evening.
[01:04:27]  Let me begin by congratulating the team at NASA.
[01:04:31]  And our brave astronauts on the successful launch of Artemis II.
[01:04:36]  It was quite something.
[01:04:38]  It will be traveling further than any manned rocket has ever flown and will very substantially pass the moon, go around it, and come back home from a distance that has never been done before.
[01:04:51]  It's amazing.
[01:04:53]  They are on the way, and God bless them.
[01:04:56]  These are brave people.
[01:04:58]  We want to God bless those four unbelievable astronauts.
[01:05:04]  As we speak this evening, it's been just one month since the United States military began Operation Epic Fury, targeting the world's number one state sponsor of terror, Iran.
[01:05:18]  In these past four weeks, our armed forces have delivered swift, decisive, overwhelming victories on the battlefield.
[01:05:27]  Victories like few people have ever seen before.
[01:05:31]  Tonight, Iran's Navy is gone, their Air Force is in ruins.
[01:05:37]  Their leaders, most of them, terrorist regime they led, are now dead.
[01:05:45]  Their command and control of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is being decimated as we speak.
[01:05:52]  It's like he's doing a Trumpet.
[01:05:54]  Their ability to launch missiles and drones is dramatically curtailed, and their weapons, factories, and rocket launchers are being blown to pieces.
[01:06:03]  Very few of them left.
[01:06:06]  Never in the history of warfare has an enemy suffered such clear and devastating large scale.
[01:06:11]  Scale losses in a matter of weeks.
[01:06:13]  I don't think that's true.
[01:06:14]  Our enemies are losing, and America, as it has been for five years under my presidency, is winning and now winning bigger than ever before.
[01:06:25]  Before discussing this current situation, I also want to thank our troops for the masterful job they did in taking the country of Venezuela in a matter of minutes.
[01:06:37]  That it was quick, lethal, violent, and respected by everyone all over the world.
[01:06:42]  After rebuilding our military during my first term, we have by far the strongest military anywhere in the world.
[01:06:50]  And now we're working along with Venezuela and are, in a true sense, joint venture partners.
[01:06:56]  We're getting along incredibly well in the production and sale of massive amounts of oil and gas, the second largest reserves on earth after the United States of America.
[01:07:09]  We're now totally independent of the Middle East.
[01:07:13]  And yet, we are there to help.
[01:07:15]  We don't have to be there.
[01:07:17]  We don't need their oil.
[01:07:18]  We don't need anything they have, but we're there to help our allies.
[01:07:23]  Tonight, I want to provide an update on the tremendous progress our warriors have made in Iran and discuss why Operation Epic Fury is necessary for the safety of America and the security of the free world.
[01:07:37]  From the very first day I announced my campaign for president in 2015, I have vowed that I would never allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
[01:07:49]  This fanatical regime has been chanting death to America, death to Israel for 47 years.
[01:07:57]  Their proxies were behind the murder of.
[01:08:02]  241 Americans in the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut, the slaughter of hundreds of our service members with roadside bombs.
[01:08:10]  They were involved in the attack on the USS Cole, and they carried out the countless other heinous acts, including the blood, just horrible, bloody atrocities of October 7th in Israel, something that most people have never seen anything like it.
[01:08:30]  This murderous regime also recently killed 45,000 of their own people.
[01:08:36]  Who were protesting in Iran, 45,000 dead.
[01:08:40]  For these terrorists to have nuclear weapons would be an intolerable threat.
[01:08:46]  The most violent and thuggish regime on earth would be free to carry out their campaigns of terror, coercion, conquest, and mass murder from behind a nuclear shield.
[01:08:57]  I will never let that happen, and neither should any of our past presidents.
[01:09:04]  This situation has been going on for 47 years.
[01:09:08]  Should have been handled long before I arrived in office.
[01:09:12]  I did many things during my two terms in office to stop the quest for nuclear weapons by Iran first.
[01:09:20]  And perhaps most importantly, I killed General Qasem Soleimani in my first term.
[01:09:28]  He was an evil genius, a brilliant person, a horrible human being, however, the father of the roadside bomb.
[01:09:37]  And he lived just horrible what he did.
[01:09:40]  Iran would have been.
[01:09:42]  Perhaps in far better, stronger position.
[01:09:45]  Had he lived, we would have had probably a different conversation tonight.
[01:09:50]  But you know what?
[01:09:50]  We'd still be winning and winning big.
[01:09:53]  And then, very importantly, I terminated Barack Hussein Obama's Iran nuclear deal, a disaster.
[01:09:59]  Obama gave them $1.7 billion in cash, green, green cash.
[01:10:05]  Took it out of banks from Virginia, D.C., and Maryland, all the cash they had.
[01:10:12]  He flew it by airplanes in an attempt to buy their respect and loyalty, but it didn't work.
[01:10:18]  They laughed at our president and went on with their mission to have a nuclear bomb.
[01:10:23]  His Iran deal would have led to a colossal arsenal of massive nuclear weapons for Iran.
[01:10:29]  They would have had them years ago and they would have used them.
[01:10:33]  It would have been a different world.
[01:10:35]  There would have been no Middle East and no Israel right now, in my opinion, the opinion of a lot of great experts, had I not terminated that terrible deal.
[01:10:44]  And I was so honored to do it.
[01:10:46]  I was so proud to do it.
[01:10:47]  It was so bad right from the beginning.
[01:10:49]  Essentially, I did what no other president was willing to do.
[01:10:53]  They made mistakes, and I am correcting them.
[01:10:57]  My first preference was always the path of diplomacy, yet, the regime continued their relentless quest for nuclear weapons and rejected every attempt at an agreement.
[01:11:09]  For this reason, in June, I ordered a strike on Iran's key nuclear facilities in Operation Midnight Hammer.
[01:11:17]  Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
[01:11:20]  Those beautiful B 2 bombers performed magnificently.
[01:11:25]  We totally obliterated those nuclear sites.
[01:11:28]  The regime then sought to rebuild their nuclear program at a totally different location, making clear they had no intention of abandoning their pursuit of nuclear weapons.
[01:11:39]  They were also rapidly building a vast stockpile of conventional ballistic missiles and would soon have had missiles that could reach the American homeland, Europe, and virtually any other place on earth.
[01:11:53]  Iran's strategy was so obvious.
[01:11:56]  They wanted to produce as many missiles as possible, and they did.
[01:12:01]  With the longest range possible, and they had some weapons that nobody believed they had.
[01:12:06]  We just learned that out.
[01:12:08]  We took them out, we took them all out so that no one would really dare stop them.
[01:12:13]  And their race for a nuclear bomb, a nuclear weapon, a nuclear weapon like nobody's ever seen before, they were right at the doorstep.
[01:12:22]  For years, everyone has said that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, but in the end, those are just words if you're not willing to take action when the time comes.
[01:12:33]  As I stated in my announcement of Operation Epic Fury, our objectives are very simple and clear.
[01:12:41]  We are systematically dismantling the regime's ability to threaten America or project power outside of their borders.
[01:12:49]  That means eliminating Iran's Navy, which is now absolutely destroyed, hurting their Air Force and their missile program at levels never seen before, and annihilating their defense industrial base.
[01:13:04]  We've done all of it.
[01:13:05]  Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone.
[01:13:08]  Their missiles are just about used up or beaten.
[01:13:12]  Taken together, these actions will cripple Iran's military, crush their ability to support terrorist proxies, and deny them the ability to build a nuclear bomb.
[01:13:22]  Our armed forces have been extraordinary.
[01:13:25]  There's never been anything like it militarily.
[01:13:29]  Everyone is talking about it, and tonight I'm pleased to say that these core strategic objectives are nearing completion.
[01:13:37]  As we celebrate this progress, we think.
[01:13:40]  Especially of the 13 American warriors who have laid down their lives in this fight to prevent our children from ever having to face a nuclear Iran.
[01:13:52]  Twice this past month, I have traveled to Dover Air Force Base, and it's been something.
[01:13:58]  I wanted to be with those heroes as they return to American soil, and I was with them and their families, their parents, their wives, their husbands.
[01:14:08]  We salute them, and now we must honor them by completing the mission.
[01:14:13]  for which they gave their lives, and every single one of the people, their loved ones said, please, sir, please finish the job, every one of them.
[01:14:23]  And we are going to finish the job, and we're going to finish it very fast.
[01:14:26]  We're getting very close.
[01:14:27]  I want to thank our allies in the Middle East, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, Kuwait, and Bahrain.
[01:14:38]  They've been great, and we will not let them get hurt or fail in any way, shape, or form.
[01:14:45]  Many Americans have been concerned to see the recent rise in gasoline prices here at home.
[01:14:51]  This short term increase has been entirely the result of the Iranian regime launching deranged terror attacks against commercial oil tankers and neighboring countries that have nothing to do with the conflict.
[01:15:04]  This is yet more proof that Iran can never be trusted with nuclear weapons.
[01:15:09]  They will use them and they will use them quickly.
[01:15:12]  It would lead to decades of extortion, economic pain, and instability worse than we.
[01:15:19]  Can ever imagine.
[01:15:21]  The United States has never been better prepared economically to confront this threat.
[01:15:25]  You all know that.
[01:15:27]  We built the strongest economy in history.
[01:15:30]  We're going through it right now, the strongest in history.
[01:15:33]  In one year, we've taken a dead and crippled country.
[01:15:37]  I hate to say that, but we were a dead and crippled country after the last administration and made it the hottest country anywhere in the world by far with no inflation.
[01:15:51]  Record setting investments coming into the United States over $18 trillion and the highest stock market ever, with 53 all time record highs in just one year.
[01:16:03]  It all positioned us to get rid of a cancer that has long simmered.
[01:16:08]  It's known as the nuclear Iran, and they didn't know what was coming.
[01:16:13]  They've never imagined it.
[01:16:15]  Remember, because of our drill baby drill program, America has plenty of gas.
[01:16:20]  We have so much gas.
[01:16:22]  Under my leadership, we are number one producer of oil and gas on the planet without even discussing the millions of barrels that we're getting from Venezuela.
[01:16:33]  The Trump administration's policies, we produce more oil and gas than Saudi Arabia and Russia combined.
[01:16:39]  Think of that Saudi Arabia and Russia combined, and that number will soon be substantially higher than that.
[01:16:47]  There's no country like us anywhere in the world, and we're in great shape for the future.
[01:16:53]  The United States imports almost no oil through the Hormuz Strait and won't be taking any in the future.
[01:17:01]  We don't need it.
[01:17:02]  We haven't needed it, and we don't need it.
[01:17:05]  We've beaten and completely decimated Iran.
[01:17:09]  They are decimated, both militarily and economically and in every other way.
[01:17:14]  And the countries of the world that do receive oil through the Hormuz Strait must take care of that passage.
[01:17:21]  They must cherish it.
[01:17:23]  They must grab it and cherish it.
[01:17:25]  They can do it easily.
[01:17:27]  We will be helpful, but they should take the lead in protecting the oil that they so desperately depend on.
[01:17:34]  So, to those countries that can't get fuel, Many of which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran.
[01:17:41]  We had to do it ourselves.
[01:17:44]  I have a suggestion.
[01:17:45]  Number one, buy oil from the United States of America.
[01:17:48]  We have plenty, we have so much.
[01:17:50]  And number two, build up some delayed courage.
[01:17:53]  Should have done it before, should have done it with us as we asked.
[01:17:56]  Go to the Strait and just take it, protect it, use it for yourselves.
[01:18:02]  Iran has been essentially decimated.
[01:18:06]  The hard part is done, so it should be easy.
[01:18:08]  And in any event, when this conflict is over, the strait will open up naturally.
[01:18:14]  It'll just open up naturally.
[01:18:15]  They're going to want to be able to sell oil because that's all they have to try and rebuild.
[01:18:21]  It will resume the flowing, and the gas prices will rapidly come back down.
[01:18:26]  Stock prices will rapidly go back up.
[01:18:29]  They haven't come down very much.
[01:18:30]  Frankly, they came down a little bit, but they've had some very good days over the last couple of days.
[01:18:36]  We've done actually much better than I thought, but we had to take that little journey.
[01:18:40]  To Iran to get rid of this horrible threat.
[01:18:44]  With our historic tax cuts, where people are just now talking about receiving larger refunds than they ever thought possible, they are getting so much more money than they thought.
[01:18:54]  That's from the great big beautiful bill.
[01:18:57]  Our economy is strong and improving by the day, and it will soon be roaring back like never before.
[01:19:03]  It will top the levels that it was a month ago.
[01:19:06]  I've made clear from the beginning of Operation Epic Fury that we will continue until our objectives are fully achieved.
[01:19:14]  Thanks to the progress we've made, I can say tonight that we are on track to complete all of America's military objectives shortly, very shortly.

=== North Korea Nuclear Concerns (13:32) ===

[01:19:23]  We are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks.
[01:19:28]  We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong.
[01:19:33]  In the meantime, discussions are ongoing.
[01:19:36]  Regime change was not our goal.
[01:19:38]  We never said regime change, but regime change has occurred because of all of their original leaders' deaths.
[01:19:47]  They're all dead.
[01:19:49]  The new group is less radical and much more reasonable.
[01:19:53]  Yet, if during this period of time no deal is made, we have our eyes on key targets.
[01:19:58]  If there is no deal, we are going to hit each and every one of their.
[01:20:03]  Electric generating plants very hard and probably simultaneously.
[01:20:07]  We have not hit their oil, even though that's the easiest target of all, because it would not give them even a small chance of survival or rebuilding.
[01:20:18]  But we could hit it and it would be gone, and there's not a thing they could do about it.
[01:20:24]  They have no anti aircraft equipment.
[01:20:26]  Their radar is 100% annihilated.
[01:20:30]  We are unstoppable as a military force.
[01:20:34]  The nuclear sites that we obliterated with the B-2 bombers have been hit so hard that it would take months to get near the nuclear dust, and we have it under intense satellite surveillance and control.
[01:20:48]  If we see them make a move, even a move for it, we'll hit them with missiles very hard again.
[01:20:56]  We have all the cards they have none.
[01:20:57]  It's very important that we keep this conflict in perspective.
[01:21:04]  World War I lasted one year, seven months, and five days.
[01:21:10]  World War II lasted for three years, eight months, and 25 days.
[01:21:15]  The Korean War lasted for three years, one month, and two days.
[01:21:20]  The Vietnam War lasted for 19 years, five months, and 29 days.
[01:21:27]  Iraq went on for eight years, eight months, and 28 days.
[01:21:32]  We are in this military operation, so powerful, so brilliant, against one of the most powerful countries for.
[01:21:40]  32 days, and the country has been eviscerated and essentially is really no longer a threat.
[01:21:48]  They were the bully of the Middle East, but they're the bully no longer.
[01:21:52]  This is a true investment in your children and your grandchildren's future.
[01:21:57]  The whole world is watching, and they can't leave the power, strength, and brilliance.
[01:22:03]  They just can't believe what they're seeing.
[01:22:06]  They leave it to your imagination, but they can't believe what they're seeing.
[01:22:10]  The brilliance of the United States.
[01:22:12]  Military.
[01:22:14]  Tonight, every American can look forward to a day when we are finally free from the wickedness of Iranian aggression and the specter of nuclear blackmail.
[01:22:24]  Because of the actions we have taken, we are on the cusp of ending Iran's sinister threat to America and the world.
[01:22:31]  And I'll tell you, the world is watching.
[01:22:33]  And when we do, when it's all over, the United States will be safer, stronger, more prosperous, and greater than it has ever been before.
[01:22:44]  May God bless the men and women of the United States Armed Forces and may God bless the United States of America.
[01:22:52]  Thank you very much and good night.
[01:22:54]  Oh, wow.
[01:22:55]  I'm a little.
[01:22:56]  Michael?
[01:22:56]  I've got one quick question.
[01:22:57]  Like, this is even a sarcastic.
[01:22:59]  I'm not even sarcastic.
[01:23:00]  He said we're close to achieving all of America's military goals.
[01:23:04]  What are those?
[01:23:05]  I literally don't know what those are.
[01:23:06]  Rubio posted them.
[01:23:07]  Oh, he did?
[01:23:08]  Yeah.
[01:23:08]  What are they?
[01:23:09]  It was basically annihilate their ability to wage ground war, anti air and naval.
[01:23:15]  And there were like, I don't know, might have been like seven points or something.
[01:23:18]  Can we pull that up?
[01:23:18]  Because I think we might have seen that.
[01:23:20]  Yeah.
[01:23:20]  Because that's the big question I think people have it.
[01:23:23]  Blowing up their arms and legs doesn't stop the brain's desire.
[01:23:26]  So that's what I don't understand.
[01:23:27]  Well, the argument that Marco Rubio made is that they want to degrade their ability to have missiles.
[01:23:35]  Do you have it, Tim?
[01:23:36]  I found it.
[01:23:36]  Okay, grab it.
[01:23:37]  Just put it in the Slack.
[01:23:38]  Or, yeah, yeah.
[01:23:40]  It was Rubio, right?
[01:23:41]  Yeah.
[01:23:41]  Yeah, he was like a bullet point thing or something.
[01:23:44]  Two minute thing right there.
[01:23:46]  Yeah, he won.
[01:23:48]  Our objectives.
[01:23:49]  Americans are asking why the United States had to attack Iran now?
[01:23:54]  Well, let me explain.
[01:23:55]  Iran wants to have nuclear weapons.
[01:23:57]  Of that, there is zero doubt.
[01:23:59]  If what they truly wanted, which is what they claim, is nuclear energy, Well, they could have nuclear energy like all the other countries in the world have it.
[01:24:05]  And that is, you import the fuel and you build reactors above ground.
[01:24:09]  That's not what Iran has done.
[01:24:11]  They build their reactors and their facilities deep in mountains away from the public glare.
[01:24:17]  And they want to enrich that material.
[01:24:19]  The same equipment that they could use to enrich material for energy, they could use to quickly enrich it to weapons grade.
[01:24:26]  So it is clear that they've been offered every opportunity to have a nuclear program that allows them to have energy, not weapons.
[01:24:32]  And every single time they have turned it down.
[01:24:35]  But why the attack now?
[01:24:37]  Well, what was Iran trying to do?
[01:24:39]  Iran was trying to build a conventional shield, in essence, have so many missiles, have so many drones, that no one could attack them, and they were well on their way.
[01:24:48]  We were on the verge of an Iran that had so many missiles and so many drones that no one could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future.
[01:24:56]  That was an intolerable risk.
[01:24:58]  Under no circumstances can a country run by radical Shia clerics with an apocalyptic vision of the future ever possess nuclear weapons.
[01:25:05]  And under no circumstances can they be allowed to hide and protect that program.
[01:25:10]  And their ambitions behind a shield of missiles and drones that no one can do anything about.
[01:25:16]  This was our last best chance to eliminate that conventional threat, that conventional shield that they were trying to build.
[01:25:23]  And the president made the right decision to wipe it out now.
[01:25:26]  That is the goal of this operation to destroy their conventional missiles and their drone program so they can't hide behind it and finally have to deal with the world seriously about never, ever having nuclear weapons.
[01:25:38]  That's so much more coherent than what Trump said.
[01:25:40]  Well, of course it is.
[01:25:41]  You're saying, of course, I didn't know.
[01:25:42]  I'm sorry.
[01:25:43]  It implies that they're going to have to get the Iranian regime to allow inspectors into the country, basically capitulate and become servants of the country.
[01:25:51]  One of the points that I've heard a lot of people making is that the reason that we couldn't do anything about North Korea getting a nuclear weapon is because of the location of Pyongyang.
[01:26:00]  They're within artillery range of North Korea.
[01:26:03]  So if they tried to prevent.
[01:26:05]  What?
[01:26:06]  China's backing North Korea.
[01:26:07]  We can't go in.
[01:26:08]  No, no, but the point that I'm making.
[01:26:10]  He was going in.
[01:26:11]  The IAEA, they kicked him out.
[01:26:14]  Yeah, but the main reason they couldn't, because.
[01:26:16]  They couldn't even gamble on trying to, is because if they tried to strike North Korea, North Korea can just use artillery and wipe out, what, 10 million people in Seoul?
[01:26:26]  They'd kill tens of thousands with just artillery.
[01:26:28]  And so, what the goal is here is to prevent Iran from achieving that kind of weapons capacity with conventional weapons, making it too costly for the U.S. or someone else to go and actually attack them because there's so much ability.
[01:26:46]  Is this April Fool's?
[01:26:47]  Why didn't Trump say what you just said?
[01:26:49]  Because he's Trump.
[01:26:50]  Are you kidding?
[01:26:50]  Come on.
[01:26:51]  People are writing this speech.
[01:26:52]  I've seen many.
[01:26:52]  No, no, I'm going to say this.
[01:26:53]  I think Rubio should have added, Rubio should have said this everything he said.
[01:26:59]  And I want the people of this country to understand that while the safety of the region, our allies, our troops are paramount, understand that the threat from Iran would also destabilize the economy here in the United States and abroad.
[01:27:15]  As we are seeing now with the shuttering of the Strait of Hormuz and gas prices going up.
[01:27:20]  If we waited and they aimed nuclear weapons at us or our allies, gas prices would have gone up $4 a gallon.
[01:27:29]  This is just a small factor, but understand it's a big picture, and the safety of the people and the lives is the most important.
[01:27:37]  That would be a very coherent.
[01:27:38]  And then not just gas prices would go up, but the cost of literally everything, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[01:27:43]  Yeah, it's true.
[01:27:44]  And none of us talking about this is an endorsement of the attacking.
[01:27:48]  I know they don't understand, but it's only, he's still, Ruby only gave us half.
[01:27:52]  Or part of an equation because you blow up all their conventional weapons, their missiles and drones, and then wait four years, they're going to have another round of conventional weapons.
[01:27:59]  It's called mowing a lawn.
[01:28:00]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:28:01]  So, is that the plan?
[01:28:02]  Is every three years we're going to obey the plan?
[01:28:03]  And that's why they want regime change.
[01:28:05]  Well, he didn't say that, but I agree.
[01:28:06]  He did.
[01:28:07]  He didn't.
[01:28:08]  Trump, you just said it.
[01:28:09]  Trump.
[01:28:09]  Yeah, Rubio didn't mention regime change as part of the tactic.
[01:28:12]  I want to say this, too.
[01:28:12]  The strategy.
[01:28:13]  Because my concerns, as I mentioned earlier, with intervention are functional and not moral.
[01:28:18]  I have moral concerns.
[01:28:20]  Like, there's a report that the U.S. may have launched a tomahawk, which hit a school, killing a bunch of children.
[01:28:24]  Horrifying.
[01:28:25]  And moral concerns matter.
[01:28:26]  However, in war, we try to avoid these.
[01:28:29]  And I believe the United States.
[01:28:31]  As a force for war and a global power, has been the most moral that we have seen in the past, I don't know, in our history, in the history of the planet.
[01:28:40]  Certainly, you can look at the Nazis and everyone goes, oh.
[01:28:43]  Certainly, you can look at Napoleon and go, really?
[01:28:45]  You can look at Russia and China and go, good God.
[01:28:48]  And you look at America and you go, well, they did do a lot of bad things, but all things considered, my argument is I sit online, I see these activists from left to right or otherwise, and they say the U.S. is the worst terrorist on the planet, the U.S. is evil.
[01:29:04]  All of these things, and that is just not true.
[01:29:07]  It may not be correct, functional, or moral what they're doing.
[01:29:12]  Those arguments are always allowed.
[01:29:13]  But my point is China was threatening to destroy one of the largest aquifers in Central America so they could compete with the Panama Canal.
[01:29:22]  They have no regard for human life and what is moral or good.
[01:29:25]  Certainly, one could argue the US does bad things, and I would argue, welcome to war and global conflict.
[01:29:31]  So, by all means, criticize the war.
[01:29:32]  I'm not saying not to.
[01:29:33]  I'm just saying, Don't come to me and claim that Iran is morally just.
[01:29:37]  Don't come to me and say China is morally just or good or that Russia is.
[01:29:40]  Because I will tell you, the United States is infinitely, infinitely better and more moral than all of those countries.
[01:29:46]  Very good at not turning on its own people because of our decentralized legal systems where local police basically trump essentially the exterior forces.
[01:29:55]  So the U.S. is moral in that way that it hasn't genocided its own people.
[01:29:59]  But we're not at war in Iran.
[01:30:01]  So you're saying in times of war, you might blow up a school of children, but we're not at war.
[01:30:05]  A guy just said, Let's go blow up that school of children.
[01:30:07]  We're doing war-y kind of things now.
[01:30:10]  The point is, the American military is the most constrained military in terms of global powers.
[01:30:18]  Hearing the things that our men and women in uniform go through when they're like, We're getting shot at, we're not allowed to return fire because of the risks.
[01:30:25]  The U.S. military goes to painstaking lengths to avoid what communist China does intentionally.
[01:30:32]  I think that the point people make, and I'm not saying you disagree with this, Isn't that the Iran or Chinese are good people, but that they're acting in certain ways that make rational sense?
[01:30:41]  And you can understand other countries looking at what happened with Iran being like, you know what?
[01:30:44]  If I get nukes, this isn't going to happen to me.
[01:30:46]  Look at Pakistan.
[01:30:47]  Pakistan harbored bin Laden.
[01:30:48]  No one brings them up.
[01:30:50]  That is, I would argue, functionally correct.
[01:30:52]  And then we can take a look at what the US response was with Iran right now.
[01:30:56]  Iran, Trump, I would argue, embarrassed, humiliated even, because the 12 day war was a failure.
[01:31:02]  He said we got their nuclear capabilities.
[01:31:05]  What did we see from satellite photos?
[01:31:06]  It looked like they got all of the enriched uranium out before it was blown up.
[01:31:10]  And guess what?
[01:31:11]  That's true.
[01:31:12]  Trump failed in that regard.
[01:31:14]  I bet Trump was pissed.
[01:31:15]  And now it's like, okay, well, if we're going to shut him down, we're going to do it.
[01:31:18]  I believe it has more to do with just uranium, protests, or whatever.
[01:31:24]  But I will stress the U.S. says, we will target your military.
[01:31:28]  There may be accidental collateral damage.
[01:31:30]  I do not believe the U.S. intentionally targeted school children.
[01:31:32]  That's a waste of a billion dollar missile or a $50 million dollar missile.
[01:31:36]  You're not accomplishing any goals with doing that.
[01:31:38]  Look what Iran did.
[01:31:39]  They targeted hotels and civilians.
[01:31:42]  Iran threatened to target critical infrastructure of our allies, uninvolved, like Trump mentioned, as well as civilians, because the threat of terror makes an honest person scared.
[01:31:53]  The criminal at the bank points the gun at the innocent woman, knowing the police don't want her to die and would rather the criminal escape with all of the money than the innocent person die.
[01:32:02]  That's evil.
[01:32:02]  And that's what Iran is doing.
[01:32:05]  So, I'm not justifying that we go and do this because, again, moral arguments are allowed and we can have them.
[01:32:11]  Functional arguments are mostly where I stand, but moral matters to me.
[01:32:14]  But you take a look at what Iran's been doing in the region, arming rebels who blow up civilian cargo ships, which they've been doing for years.
[01:32:21]  And we're supposed to just sit back and be like, well, you know, we can't do anything about it.
[01:32:25]  I reject that.
[01:32:26]  Now, again, my principal concerns are the moral expense, like this school that was blown up.
[01:32:32]  We should have an investigation.
[01:32:34]  My concerns are the function.
[01:32:35]  If we do this, will we actually succeed?
[01:32:37]  And even Eric Prince said it's a roll of dice.
[01:32:39]  But I will stress on Venezuela, while skeptical because my fear is the function, morally, we are 100% justified.
[01:32:47]  And I am glad that Trump succeeded in Venezuela.
[01:32:50]  The Venezuelans stole our assets and we had a treaty with them.

=== Woods Survival Experiment (14:03) ===

[01:32:55]  We shook hands.
[01:32:57]  We built oil infrastructure and smiled and said, thank you.
[01:33:00]  We'll get rich together.
[01:33:01]  And then the communists in that country stole it all from us and gave us the middle finger.
[01:33:05]  And Trump What did he do?
[01:33:06]  He took one guy and got our stuff back, and there's no war, and I respect it.
[01:33:10]  I think that's fair to the extent that Maduro and a few of his henchmen got taken out.
[01:33:14]  So the damage was so minimal, people didn't even know how to freak out about it.
[01:33:18]  Agreed.
[01:33:18]  But if he's sitting there talking about who knows if it's bluster, about targeting electricity, which is going to affect a lot of civilians, at a certain point, you can't just say it's just war.
[01:33:29]  I think the principal issue is the scenario I like to give, and I'd love to get your thoughts on this thought experiment.
[01:33:36]  I may have asked you this already, but I'm going to ask you again Is this the naked slave being whipped?
[01:33:40]  No, no, no.
[01:33:40]  That was fun, though, right?
[01:33:41]  This one is you're in the middle of the woods, far from civilization.
[01:33:45]  Okay, how would that ever happen?
[01:33:46]  It's called a hypothetical.
[01:33:48]  But even if you didn't have breakfast, Michael, how would you have felt?
[01:33:52]  I wake up at 11, I never have breakfast.
[01:33:54]  Let me ask you a question, and it's not necessarily just for you, but a thought experiment I like to ask people when it pertains to war is you're in the middle of the woods, you're lost, you have a small satchel of food and a canteen, it'll last you about a day, and you have a rifle.
[01:34:05]  Okay.
[01:34:06]  You're trying to find your way to civilization, and let's just say that you're in an unknown country.
[01:34:11]  Sure, sure.
[01:34:12]  And as you're walking, you see a man.
[01:34:14]  In the distance, looks just like you.
[01:34:16]  Rifle, small satchel, looks like food, canteen of water.
[01:34:19]  What do you do?
[01:34:21]  Wait, does it matter that he looks like me?
[01:34:23]  Like he looks like he's wearing the same gear as me.
[01:34:25]  Oh, okay.
[01:34:25]  I think that he's like my clone.
[01:34:27]  Okay.
[01:34:27]  I would approach him and say, Hey, I'm lost.
[01:34:30]  Can you help?
[01:34:30]  Bang.
[01:34:31]  Now he's got two days worth of food and you're dead.
[01:34:33]  You don't know that.
[01:34:34]  Indeed, you don't.
[01:34:35]  And you don't know that he'll greet you either.
[01:34:37]  And this is the thought experiment.
[01:34:38]  Andrew Branca said, I'd shoot him on the spot, I'd aim my rifle and take him out.
[01:34:42]  I think it would depend on what country you're in.
[01:34:44]  You're in an unknown country.
[01:34:46]  I'd say it would depend because if you're like in Canada, like it's not getting in well for you.
[01:34:49]  Well, I said you're in an unknown country, lost from civilization with limited food, and you see a man.
[01:34:55]  I'm very loathe, even hypothetical.
[01:34:59]  Let me give you another thought experiment.
[01:35:00]  This actually happened.
[01:35:01]  Let me just finish this one point.
[01:35:02]  Sure, sure.
[01:35:02]  On the thought experiment, there is no right answer, and no answer you give will ever be adequate.
[01:35:07]  That's the point.
[01:35:08]  If you say, I would call out to him, he responds in a foreign language.
[01:35:11]  If you say, I approach him, he shoots you.
[01:35:13]  If you say, I shoot him first, okay, then he's dead.
[01:35:15]  The point is.
[01:35:16]  When we're in situations of war, especially as citizens watching a government, we don't know everything.
[01:35:22]  That's exactly right.
[01:35:23]  And there's only one question that matters Do you trust this administration?
[01:35:27]  Right.
[01:35:28]  But throw yours out.
[01:35:30]  This is one of the things I learned when I was writing the White Pill.
[01:35:32]  Before he was president, Reagan was taken, or maybe during, I don't remember, was taken down to a bunker and given a simulation of nuclear reciprocity.
[01:35:42]  And they're like, okay, press this button.
[01:35:44]  And he goes, wait, wait.
[01:35:45]  If I press this button, Millions of Russians are gonna die?
[01:35:48]  And they're like, yes.
[01:35:49]  And he's like, uh huh.
[01:35:50]  And his aides are like, he knew he wasn't going to press that button, that he was knocking out.
[01:35:54]  And what's amazing is Gorbachev, who was head of the USSR, was taken to an actual mock room and they walked him through it.
[01:36:02]  He goes, I'm not pressing this button, even in this simulation.
[01:36:05]  Neither of them knew it.
[01:36:06]  Wow.
[01:36:06]  So both of them during the Cold War were like, I'm not doing anything.
[01:36:09]  I'm not retaliating.
[01:36:10]  But they both thought that other guy's going to kill millions of us in a second.
[01:36:13]  That's kind of what ended the Cold War.
[01:36:14]  Well, there's the famous story.
[01:36:15]  But I'm just going to say my point.
[01:36:17]  Even in hypothetical, I'm loathe to say I'm going to shoot someone because my brain doesn't work like that.
[01:36:23]  I suppose the ease depends on the context.
[01:36:27]  Well, so this context, like a context change automatically, the thought experiment we've elaborated on.
[01:36:32]  You are alone in the middle of the woods walking.
[01:36:35]  You have a rifle and a satchel of food and water, and you see a man in the distance who looks just like you.
[01:36:39]  Right.
[01:36:40]  And you're only alone because you just left your two children and wife to go find food.
[01:36:44]  Okay.
[01:36:44]  What do you do?
[01:36:45]  Shoot the wife and kids.
[01:36:47]  That's three days of food.
[01:36:48]  Are you stupid?
[01:36:49]  That's three days of food.
[01:36:50]  And you can eat the people.
[01:36:51]  And you can make more kids.
[01:36:52]  Yeah.
[01:36:54]  So the point is it was funny because the point of the thought experiment is just for you to envision being in a scenario where you're approaching an unknown.
[01:37:02]  Sure.
[01:37:02]  And And Andrew Branka was like, I'd shoot him.
[01:37:04]  And I was like, I'd pull my rifle and shoot him.
[01:37:07]  I was like, and he's like, now I got food.
[01:37:08]  And I'm like, okay.
[01:37:09]  It's like Andrew's been stuck in an elevator for an hour.
[01:37:15]  And I was like, that's an answer.
[01:37:16]  But there's no wrong answer.
[01:37:17]  There's no right answer.
[01:37:18]  It's just imagine being in this scenario.
[01:37:20]  I also think it's easy to have hypotheticals, but we don't know what it would be like in that situation.
[01:37:24]  Right.
[01:37:24]  A lot of people say, oh, as soon as someone comes to my house, I put a bullet in his car.
[01:37:28]  There's a story that happened in Texas where a guy gets rear ended and he gets out of his car angry.
[01:37:34]  He just got rear ended.
[01:37:36]  And so he gets out of the car, he starts screaming.
[01:37:38]  The other guy gets out of his car and he sees the guy screaming and ranting walking towards him, so he puts his hand up and puts his hand on his hip.
[01:37:44]  The guy walking towards him sees him reaching for his gun, so he grabs his gun and draws it.
[01:37:48]  Then the other guy sees him drawing his gun and points his gun, and then they both shoot each other.
[01:37:53]  And it was simply an escalation that neither understood.
[01:37:56]  The presumption was the guy who got rear ended was just pissed off he got rear ended, wasn't going to shoot anybody.
[01:38:00]  But the guy who rear ended him sees an angry guy screaming and walking towards him, and he just meant to ready himself.
[01:38:05]  The guy sees a hand going to a gun that snowballs.
[01:38:08]  In that hypothetical in the woods, why wouldn't it make sense for me to point the gun at a Let's say Phil and be like, hey, who are you?
[01:38:14]  And so that's before you shoot him.
[01:38:16]  So, right.
[01:38:17]  There's an escalation process.
[01:38:18]  That's why Bryke is thinking, I'm going to shoot him.
[01:38:20]  Because the point of the experiment is that there's no right or wrong answer.
[01:38:23]  You say, I draw my rifle and say, freeze.
[01:38:25]  As you're grabbing your rifle, he aims his rifle and shoots.
[01:38:28]  He sees you reaching for your gun, so he shoots you.
[01:38:31]  Or the other example is people will say, I yell hello, and he yells flabbo.
[01:38:36]  And you go, I have no idea what he just said.
[01:38:38]  So, with foreign countries, you don't know what flabbo means?
[01:38:40]  Well, I do.
[01:38:42]  But the point of the experiment is, Imagine you're in these scenarios where there's no right or like you don't know what's going to happen.
[01:38:47]  You have no idea how to address a stranger who's armed.
[01:38:49]  Is this person you're lost in the woods and you're starving, you're hungry, you have one day left of food, and this guy might be thinking, I don't want to, he might knife me in the back.
[01:38:59]  I feel like human beings are much more neighborly and friendly, having traveled to different places.
[01:39:04]  It's true.
[01:39:05]  There was a couple that went biking around the world because they wanted to show everybody how peaceful it is, and then a car pulled over, jumped out, and slipped and chopped their heads off.
[01:39:13]  But how many places did they go before they went to that car?
[01:39:16]  A couple dozen.
[01:39:17]  Right, so that means the odds are a couple dozen that you're.
[01:39:19]  Or the two women who went hiking in Morocco and then the Islamists dragged them up onto a mountain, raped them, and killed them.
[01:39:25]  You know about these stories because they're the outliers, not the norm.
[01:39:27]  I didn't say it was the norm.
[01:39:29]  I'm making a point like it's a half joke.
[01:39:33]  You're like, people are not crazy.
[01:39:34]  My argument is I've traveled the world.
[01:39:36]  Did you shoot the person?
[01:39:37]  No.
[01:39:38]  Oh, okay.
[01:39:38]  No, two people working together are substantially more effective.
[01:39:40]  Yeah, okay, thank you.
[01:39:41]  Yeah.
[01:39:42]  I've traveled the world and many people have asked me, Aren't you scared going to favelas or going to riots?
[01:39:47]  And I said, No, because people are all the same.
[01:39:49]  Some people are crazy in America as it's crazies.
[01:39:52]  Most people want the same thing they want food, shelter, and their families.
[01:39:55]  The ideologues who wage war are rare.
[01:39:58]  And so I've been like when I walked around Nasser city in Egypt, I wasn't scared any one of these guys was going to attack me.
[01:40:05]  Because that doesn't serve their interests in any way.
[01:40:07]  They were praying.
[01:40:08]  They were Muslim Brotherhood guys.
[01:40:10]  No, in all likelihood, when they find out an American journalist is there, they're going to say, please tell my story.
[01:40:15]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:40:16]  So I'm like, there are crazy people and we've been threatened and freaked out by it, but they're gangbangers in Chicago who freaked me out all the same.
[01:40:23]  A lot of that metaphor of being in the woods with a dude looking at them is like communication levels.
[01:40:29]  If communication is in total breakdown, anyone that doesn't speak your language that's out there is probably an enemy combatant.
[01:40:34]  At least that's the way you got to think.
[01:40:35]  But if you have communication lines open and you can, Either speak to him or radio him ahead of time, you'll know what the threat levels are.
[01:40:43]  See, let me tell you about this simulation.
[01:40:45]  One thing that I think high net worth people understand that low net worth people do not, and it's not meant to be derisive or humble bragging, but it's true the amount of knives that get placed in your back when you have money are orders of magnitude greater than when you don't.
[01:40:58]  When you are working class, you have betrayers and you have backstabbers because everybody does.
[01:41:03]  But when you have money, there are people who will kill you for no reason.
[01:41:06]  There are people you thought your friends.
[01:41:08]  Who will leak private messages from you?
[01:41:10]  There are people that you would claim to be your friend, and when you die, will leak private messages to exploit to make money on the internet.
[01:41:16]  I was thinking, like, turning, like, yeah, friendships are cool, people are great, but if you have a stockpile of food and they don't, you're kind of slick.
[01:41:23]  Do you guys know who Big Frida is?
[01:41:25]  No.
[01:41:25]  I didn't think I was going to bring this up on the show.
[01:41:27]  Can you pull a Big Frida, F R E E D I A?
[01:41:29]  Big Frida is the biggest singer of bounce music from New Orleans.
[01:41:34]  Total gender fluid.
[01:41:37]  Yeah, pull up an image.
[01:41:39]  Big Frida.
[01:41:40]  That's Big Frida.
[01:41:42]  Big Frida got stabbed in St. Louis because someone wanted to say, I'm the guy who stabbed Big Frida.
[01:41:49]  Oh my God.
[01:41:49]  To your point, when you become a certain level of status, people want to take you down just so they could say, I'm the one who stabbed.
[01:41:55]  But it's not about strangers.
[01:41:56]  Let's think about more about strangers.
[01:41:57]  I know.
[01:41:58]  Let me tell you.
[01:41:59]  I probably have three former best friends who have tried to destroy me and threaten my family's life.
[01:42:06]  And there's four and five.
[01:42:08]  I have no idea.
[01:42:09]  Every day after the show, Phil tackles me.
[01:42:11]  And then you're going to be the guy who's going to be on his toes, man.
[01:42:14]  You got to swear Phil's trying to just kill me, but he always wants to.
[01:42:17]  He calls it wrestling.
[01:42:19]  She's got to keep.
[01:42:20]  She feels pretty good.
[01:42:21]  So there's a guy that I knew.
[01:42:23]  We were probably best friends for a few years.
[01:42:25]  He does.
[01:42:26]  There was a dude I knew, and we were probably best friends for a couple of years.
[01:42:30]  And a few years ago, he started posting on X fake stories about me using pictures that we had and like proof that he knew me to try and build clout.
[01:42:42]  He would go on X. There was a guy that I knew that I considered a pretty good friend who hacked into one of my servers and then started leaking like inane messages between Discord members.
[01:42:53]  This is a long time ago for no reason other than to attack me and profit off of knowing me.
[01:42:58]  The amount of people who will betray you when you have things, regular people just have not experienced this.
[01:43:03]  Tim Ferriss had this great essay about 10 things that happen to you when you're famous.
[01:43:06]  And Tim Ferriss is obviously a huge name.
[01:43:08]  And one of them was, you're going to have, he's like, imagine you have a village of a million people, right?
[01:43:13]  Out of that million people, 100 of them are going to be crazy.
[01:43:16]  And I don't mean crazy, like weird, like crazy, like they think they're married to you.
[01:43:19]  And he goes, When your audience reaches, I just got named, someone just, a stalker of mine, just filled out their living will in Canada and made me the beneficiary over their parents and brother.
[01:43:31]  What's their net worth?
[01:43:32]  I have access to their bank accounts and their gametes, which is currently the Oasis Fertility Clinic in Calgary.
[01:43:37]  What?
[01:43:38]  I met this person once 10 years ago.
[01:43:40]  Point being, to Tim Ferriss's point, when you have a million people in your audience, 100 of them are going to have these relationships with you.
[01:43:46]  They aren't just like, Oh, I like Phil, I like his music.
[01:43:49]  It's like, Phil and I went to high school together and now he's not returning my calls.
[01:43:52]  No, I do hear that, and I've experienced that, obviously.
[01:43:55]  The distinction I'm drawing, however, from the phenomenon of crazies who know you like I always talk about, I'm not scared of Antifa, I'm scared of the guy who thinks I stole his spoons and is like hunting me down.
[01:44:03]  There was a woman on X who said, I broke into her house at two in the morning and turned her TV on, waking up her family.
[01:44:08]  And there are people on the left who are responding like it was true.
[01:44:11]  But real quick, my point is there are people that I would consider, would have considered to be very good friends who I'm still friends with on social media who found that they could exploit their connection to me to profit and promptly knifed me in the back.
[01:44:26]  And I was shocked the first couple of times it happened, the lengths people were willing to go to do it.
[01:44:32]  And so I.
[01:44:34]  We talk about the guy in the woods.
[01:44:36]  Let me put it like this You are in the woods and you have a stack of food that is going to last you for three months, and a man is approaching you with a rifle.
[01:44:45]  It changes things.
[01:44:46]  Oh, yeah, for sure.
[01:44:47]  That guy's not going to stop to ask questions.
[01:44:49]  He's going to be like, I'm going to live or die, and I'm taking that guy's food.
[01:44:52]  Yeah, that guy's called a cop.
[01:44:54]  Yes.
[01:44:55]  Yeah, I mean, look, to your point about crazy people doing things like the guy that killed Daryl Abbott, guitar player from Pantera, he was in a band called Damage Plant at the time.
[01:45:05]  He got on stage and shot him because he believed that it was Daryl and his brother Vince that caused Pantera to break up.
[01:45:14]  Now, this is not true at all.
[01:45:15]  Even if it's true.
[01:45:16]  It's not what happened.
[01:45:17]  Yeah, I mean, yes, sure.
[01:45:19]  But someone going after Yoko?
[01:45:20]  It was totally fabricated in his head.
[01:45:22]  Yeah.
[01:45:22]  What about Selena?
[01:45:24]  She was the head of her fan club.
[01:45:25]  Yep.
[01:45:27]  I've got a couple of women who claim they're married to me, including Allison.
[01:45:30]  She claims it.
[01:45:31]  Yeah.
[01:45:33]  But there are people that have threatened.
[01:45:35]  My whole family, because people I've never met who claim that they married me and then I ran away or something.
[01:45:42]  And it's just like, no idea who this person is.
[01:45:46]  They're from a place I've never been to.
[01:45:47]  And parasocial, since the internet, it's the worst.
[01:45:49]  It's really since video and radio.
[01:45:52]  You start to fall in love with the vibe of this other, like before radio.
[01:45:55]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:45:55]  You didn't really have the parasocial love like we do now.
[01:45:58]  And if you disagree with, if your opinion is disagree with some person on something, they act like you're a boyfriend, girlfriend who cheated on them.
[01:46:05]  Yeah.
[01:46:05]  The rage and you betrayed me.
[01:46:07]  And it's just like, I have no idea who you are.
[01:46:09]  Yeah.
[01:46:09]  And I'm entitled to my opinions.
[01:46:10]  Those are the best conversations.
[01:46:12]  They're not.
[01:46:12]  All those people on the phone and talk to them for an hour.
[01:46:14]  Oh, yeah.
[01:46:14]  You're like, I've been wanting to tell you this for years, Michael.
[01:46:17]  And you're like, all right.
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=== Anarchism Letter Law (05:33) ===

[01:46:59]  That's a fact.
[01:47:00]  But let's get to your rumble rants and super chats.
[01:47:02]  Let's grab it.
[01:47:03]  We got cabbage rolls.
[01:47:04]  He says, When a child is born in the U.S., the child should get the same status as the parents.
[01:47:08]  Agreed.
[01:47:10]  Temporary visa for three months or.
[01:47:13]  Permanent resident or citizen, right?
[01:47:16]  A lot of these things would be solved if there was a legal residency program that's permanent.
[01:47:21]  Like your kids can't become citizens, you can't become a citizen, but it would solve a lot of the stuff in the bud.
[01:47:28]  Omega Resetsu says, until Michael Malice can answer and prove how anarchism can work without collapse or being subjugated by outside powers, I cannot take anything this clown says seriously.
[01:47:37]  Total joke.
[01:47:38]  But he called you a clown.
[01:47:39]  I'm perfectly fine.
[01:47:42]  I have no idea who you are.
[01:47:43]  I imagine anarchy is a gradient.
[01:47:45]  It's not like an on or off switch.
[01:47:46]  It is an on or off switch with personal love, but it's just this is what we're talking about parasocial relationships.
[01:47:50]  It's like, okay, someone out there doesn't take me seriously.
[01:47:53]  Fine.
[01:47:53]  There's lots of them.
[01:47:54]  You say anarchism.
[01:47:55]  There's lots of them.
[01:47:55]  It is an on or off switch.
[01:47:56]  It's not more of a gradient where you can be like mostly anarchistic.
[01:47:59]  I don't think it's, I think it's an on or off switch.
[01:48:01]  What do you think, Phil?
[01:48:02]  I do think that it's probably an on or off switch, but it's worth noting the way that Michael, if I understand correctly, not to speak for you, but the way that Michael understands it, it's very much a personal thing.
[01:48:12]  That's right.
[01:48:13]  It's about the way that he interacts with not just government, but with the world.
[01:48:17]  That's right.
[01:48:18]  I agree with that.
[01:48:19]  My point is most people don't know what anarchism is.
[01:48:22]  Correct.
[01:48:23]  And most conservatives think anarchy means violence and chaos.
[01:48:26]  I think it's antifa.
[01:48:27]  Yeah.
[01:48:28]  And then we tried to explain the root origin of the words anarchy.
[01:48:33]  Would you like to explain the Latin root?
[01:48:34]  No, but I would like them to read the anarchist handbook and learn more because just even though they still are not going to hear it, the Latin root doesn't really matter to them.
[01:48:41]  Archie means?
[01:48:42]  I can explain in 30 seconds or one minute.
[01:48:46]  You can explain in two words.
[01:48:48]  That's not explaining anything without rulers.
[01:48:51]  Yeah.
[01:48:51]  People don't understand how that's possible.
[01:48:55]  But I suppose the issue is philosophical anarchism, it doesn't matter if there's rulers or not.
[01:49:02]  Right.
[01:49:04]  It's a personal worldview.
[01:49:05]  Exactly.
[01:49:06]  In the same way that people say, the joke is everyone's an anarchist.
[01:49:09]  Atheist with one exception.
[01:49:10]  You don't believe in Zeus.
[01:49:11]  You don't believe in Thor, even if you believe in your one God.
[01:49:13]  If all of us went to another country where alcohol was illegal and someone was passing around a beer at a party, we would ask ourselves, do we want to drink?
[01:49:21]  What are the risks?
[01:49:22]  But at no point in our head are we like, well, the government says it's wrong, so we're not going to do it.
[01:49:27]  So anarchism is that approach to every government, including your own.
[01:49:31]  That's it.
[01:49:33]  Yep.
[01:49:33]  And I think a component of the discussion we were having earlier about how the law is never the letter of the law.
[01:49:40]  It's exactly what it's willing to do.
[01:49:41]  There's an essay in the Anarchist Handbook that says The Myth of Objective Law, which addresses this exact point.
[01:49:45]  So, a perfect example of this is how Pokemon cards are gambling.
[01:49:50]  Oh, you mean because you're investing in them?
[01:49:52]  Is that legally objective?
[01:49:53]  No, no, because I've been basically making this point that one of the big stories I think is happening right now with Gen Z is the expansion of gambling in casinos across the country.
[01:50:01]  Right, that's true.
[01:50:01]  Miriam Maddelson is a huge donor of Donald Trump and has been trying to get the Sands Corporation into Texas for opening casinos.
[01:50:07]  Right.
[01:50:07]  And the point I've been making with this is.
[01:50:11]  Here's a better example.
[01:50:12]  We don't got to talk about Pokemon.
[01:50:13]  Is that in West Virginia, by the letter of the law, cohabitation is illegal.
[01:50:17]  A man and a woman cannot be roommates.
[01:50:20]  They cannot share a domicile if they are not married.
[01:50:23]  That's a crime.
[01:50:24]  No cop is going to arrest you for it, even though the law says it.
[01:50:27]  And even if they arrested you, no prosecutor is going to take it out.
[01:50:30]  Yeah, they throw it out.
[01:50:30]  So when they were doing the child drag shows, I pointed out it's already illegal.
[01:50:35]  It says lewd behavior in public is a crime.
[01:50:38]  It is aggravated if children are present.
[01:50:40]  And I said, These drag shows are lewd behavior by any stretch of.
[01:50:45]  If we're looking at the letter of the law when it was written.
[01:50:47]  Even the spirit of the law.
[01:50:48]  Right.
[01:50:50]  If you go back to the 1890s.
[01:50:51]  The law of drag is to be offensive and provocative.
[01:50:54]  But why won't they enforce the law in West Virginia?
[01:50:59]  Well, apparently they have stopped doing the child drag shows because I made these threats.
[01:51:04]  So when I came on the show and said Berkeley County is having child drag shows and they were doing it next door, like literally on the street at my property.
[01:51:13]  They apparently canceled it and stopped doing it, saying they were scared that I was going to get the governor or someone.
[01:51:18]  Because I actually complained to the AG, Morrissey, when he was attorney general.
[01:51:21]  I went to him and said, You're the attorney general of the state.
[01:51:25]  Why are there child drag shows in Berkeley County?
[01:51:28]  Jefferson County banned it outright by county decree, like ordinance or whatever.
[01:51:32]  And he said, That's the prosecutors.
[01:51:33]  He's like, I'm the AG.
[01:51:34]  I don't do that.
[01:51:35]  He's like, I'm the lawyer for the state.
[01:51:37]  And so we look at the DOJ and the AG and we assume she's going to direct these things.
[01:51:42]  We assume the states do it too.
[01:51:43]  But apparently, just by saying I did, they stopped having them.
[01:51:46]  Okay, good.
[01:51:46]  And then they complained locally and went on forums online saying Tim Pool ruined our fun.
[01:51:50]  And I'm like, I'm happy.
[01:51:51]  Yes.
[01:51:52]  Why are there never drag shows for like senior citizens?
[01:51:55]  Right?
[01:51:55]  You wonder.
[01:51:56]  They're bored.
[01:51:56]  They're okay.
[01:51:57]  Teach them to not be so bigoted is the argument.
[01:52:01]  Snasbury says, first I get locked in California, now I get my citizenship removed by Michael Malice.
[01:52:06]  What a week.
[01:52:09]  Yesterday, we said we should build a wall around California.
[01:52:12]  And just sorry if you're there, you're trapped.
[01:52:14]  I had said during 2020 that if Trump threatened to nuke California, he'd win all 50 states.
[01:52:19]  All things, including California.
[01:52:23]  And he'd be like, finally.
[01:52:25]  He's suffered there.
[01:52:27]  Same old man says, Tim and crew, do you think we need a tyrant voted in and control of our government for eight to 10 years to get things done?

=== Fake News Default Liberals (11:11) ===

[01:52:33]  I don't think we need anything.
[01:52:34]  I think the point is, might makes.
[01:52:37]  Might doesn't make right, but might makes.
[01:52:39]  I think that the president, and this is one of the big issues, I think, in America, the president has a lot less power than people think he does in our system.
[01:52:47]  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
[01:52:49]  People, because they campaign and I'm going to change everything, you're really handcuffed, in many ways.
[01:52:53]  I half agree.
[01:52:54]  Functionally, it's true, but if it was more like a Machiavellian thing, they certainly have a lot of power.
[01:53:01]  But not as much as people think.
[01:53:02]  That's all I'm saying.
[01:53:03]  Trump could go to powerful billionaire interests and say, We're going to waive that fee for you.
[01:53:08]  You're going to put money into my packs.
[01:53:09]  Yeah.
[01:53:10]  You know what I mean?
[01:53:10]  That's true.
[01:53:11]  That's true.
[01:53:11]  There's things like that that are not real, like authority, but it's also, it's just like.
[01:53:15]  It's kind of, to me, it's kind of insane.
[01:53:17]  People act like he has this huge majority in the House and he has no functional majority.
[01:53:21]  So he's really, hands are tied in many ways.
[01:53:23]  One of the things that people give me the most crap about when it comes to talking on this show is I'll be like, You know, look, nobody likes the way the sausage is made.
[01:53:31]  The federal government is supposed to act slowly.
[01:53:33]  It's supposed to work slowly.
[01:53:34]  It's actually not supposed to do most of the stuff that it does.
[01:53:37]  And, People get so upset.
[01:53:38]  You shut up, liberal.
[01:53:39]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:53:40]  You're communist.
[01:53:41]  You want this to happen.
[01:53:42]  You're a cock or whatever.
[01:53:43]  And it's like just because I'm not even saying that I like it.
[01:53:46]  I'm just articulating this is the reality we live in.
[01:53:50]  But if you articulate that, that means you're endorsing it in their minds.
[01:53:53]  They cannot process it.
[01:53:54]  Which is exactly why I have such an affinity for your worldview when it comes to the way people live.
[01:54:01]  You are welcome.
[01:54:02]  We got this from Dawi says If Iran's Navy and Air Force is destroyed, how is Strait of Hormuz closed to us?
[01:54:08]  I had the same question.
[01:54:09]  How does it open up naturally?
[01:54:10]  Hate to say it, but he seems delusional or in denial.
[01:54:13]  Because missile launchers are different from an Air Force or a Navy.
[01:54:16]  Yeah.
[01:54:17]  That land, what city is it?
[01:54:19]  So they have missile launchers, which is another component of the objectives to remove their missile launcher sites, which are SAM sites, surface to air missiles, as well as surface to surface.
[01:54:29]  They've been shooting missiles at Israel, which is like a thousand miles away or whatever.
[01:54:32]  And homie's like, how are they going to shoot missiles at the Strait of Hormuz?
[01:54:36]  And they've laid mines.
[01:54:37]  The other question I have is whoever Iran puts in charge, they're going to have an enormous incentive to not cut a deal.
[01:54:45]  Because you just killed our top guys.
[01:54:47]  Like, if someone killed Trump and Vance, God forbid, because I don't want to wish harm on anybody, and someone's like, all right, let's cut a deal.
[01:54:54]  We're not going to be like, yeah, you know what?
[01:54:56]  Like, we're friends now.
[01:54:57]  That's not a thing.
[01:54:57]  No, but sometimes you surrender.
[01:55:00]  But, okay.
[01:55:01]  But I don't think they're anywhere close to the point where they need to surrender.
[01:55:04]  But I do think that there is a point where you flatten a country and then, like, look at Iraq.
[01:55:08]  Not like we're good friends with Iraq now, but we certainly installed a government.
[01:55:12]  But I don't think we're in a position to install a strongman in.
[01:55:15]  No, we look at Venezuela.
[01:55:17]  Maduro has the Venezuela's bent the knee.
[01:55:20]  I think that Iranian we don't know if Maduro was in on that deal.
[01:55:23]  No, he's not.
[01:55:24]  They captured him and the rest were like, No, no, no.
[01:55:26]  I think Maduro could have easily been like, Look, here's your choice.
[01:55:28]  We're going to take you out or we give you a nice vacation.
[01:55:30]  And he took the vacation.
[01:55:32]  I disagree.
[01:55:32]  I think so.
[01:55:33]  You're familiar with tales from an economic hitman?
[01:55:36]  No.
[01:55:37]  I think we talked about this though.
[01:55:38]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:55:38]  We did when we were in Austin.
[01:55:40]  There's a book where a guy says basically the U.S. plan is like, first we bribe you.
[01:55:43]  If you don't do it, we try to run you to power.
[01:55:45]  If that won't work, we kill you.
[01:55:46]  Right.
[01:55:47]  And if we can't kill you by, you know, through assassins, then invasion is the way we do it.
[01:55:51]  I would believe, just from a business perspective, you call it Maduro and say, listen, you're going to be fat and rich.
[01:55:58]  Your people are going to be fat and rich.
[01:55:59]  We're going to let you do your thing.
[01:56:01]  Okay, we're just going to give you a bunch of money from oil.
[01:56:03]  So I just use the oil.
[01:56:03]  And he went, no.
[01:56:04]  And they went, if you don't, we're going to take you by force.
[01:56:07]  And he went, try me.
[01:56:08]  We got a discombobulator, bro.
[01:56:09]  And they took him.
[01:56:10]  The rest of the Venezuelans, like, we're just like, we just want to be rich.
[01:56:13]  That's right.
[01:56:15]  We'll just take the money.
[01:56:16]  The Iranians, they're so new, the new government.
[01:56:18]  I think their internet's out.
[01:56:19]  I think it's been out for 50 plus days.
[01:56:21]  Yeah, oh, yeah.
[01:56:22]  So when they get internet and they see that the civilian reaction wants a new government, that's when they'll capitulate.
[01:56:27]  I don't believe that.
[01:56:28]  No way.
[01:56:28]  They don't care.
[01:56:29]  There's no internal pressure right now.
[01:56:30]  I do not believe the majority of Iran wants a revolution.
[01:56:34]  So, the way I've explained it is imagine what Iran is doing to the people in Iran.
[01:56:39]  They're showing videos of BLM protests and ICE protests saying the people of America are desperately fighting an evil regime and they're calling for Trump to be removed.
[01:56:46]  And Trump killed two innocent people because he won't give up power.
[01:56:50]  And Soleimani, they're driving out of him.
[01:56:52]  Exactly.
[01:56:53]  But we know it's a fringe element that is protesting and it was two people, which was bad, but there were circumstances involved in that.
[01:56:59]  So, we see these big stories of mass protests and we're told by our government the people of Iran want a revolution.
[01:57:05]  And I say, Sure.
[01:57:07]  Play the propaganda game.
[01:57:08]  I do believe there's probably a decent percentage, double digits, that want a revolution.
[01:57:11]  No question.
[01:57:12]  The overwhelming majority are probably like, we're being attacked by America.
[01:57:15]  F them.
[01:57:15]  Right.
[01:57:16]  What I've heard is like 25% of the people are actually pro Iranian regime, 25% are very, very anti Iranian regime, and 50% of the people are like, man, I just want to go to war.
[01:57:26]  And a lot of these Persians fled.
[01:57:27]  That's the ones who would be the most likely to be in favor of this revolution.
[01:57:31]  They're not in Iran anymore.
[01:57:33]  This is a good one.
[01:57:33]  Quantum Strange Quarks is I asked Michael this question, and his answer saved my sanity.
[01:57:38]  Oh, okay.
[01:57:38]  What is the most important political lesson you have learned?
[01:57:41]  Answer political discourse is virtually always pointless, disingenuous, and frankly impossible.
[01:57:46]  Oh, well, you're welcome.
[01:57:48]  But it's just like, what utility does it have for you to convert someone to your political point of view?
[01:57:54]  Are they going to be there when your mom passes away and you could call her?
[01:57:57]  What's more important to you?
[01:57:58]  The most important political lesson that I learned is that no one, not a single person anywhere at any point is smarter than Michael Mills.
[01:58:05]  I don't think that's true.
[01:58:07]  You're pretty smart.
[01:58:07]  Yeah, but there's way people who are way smarter than me.
[01:58:10]  It's called the president's.
[01:58:11]  Yeah, it's called Everybody in Congress.
[01:58:13]  Political discourse.
[01:58:14]  Everybody in Congress.
[01:58:15]  I mean, including Nancy Mace.
[01:58:17]  Political discourse can get a little like self serving, but educating the young people so that when you're retiring, it will not guide you.
[01:58:25]  I don't regard that as discourse.
[01:58:27]  I want to say this.
[01:58:28]  We had Kyla, not so erudite, on for a couple days, for three days, when we were in Austin.
[01:58:33]  She's a lefty.
[01:58:34]  She's a super lefty.
[01:58:35]  But she's nice to us and she's willing to have conversations.
[01:58:38]  And I respect that.
[01:58:39]  So we invited her to come out and come on the show.
[01:58:41]  However, probably the biggest point of contention was.
[01:58:44]  When we brought up the story about Kathy Hochul saying we have to go to Palm Beach to get the wealthy back, she said that didn't happen.
[01:58:50]  And I said, Here's the video of her saying it.
[01:58:51]  And she goes, It's the New York Post.
[01:58:53]  It's wrong.
[01:58:53]  And I said, Here are 13 different stories explaining that wealthy people are leaving New York because of taxes.
[01:58:58]  And she goes, It's fake news.
[01:58:59]  Tim, we earlier brought up.
[01:59:01]  I get it.
[01:59:02]  I'm just going for the audience.
[01:59:03]  That Charlottesville tape.
[01:59:04]  And I said, If you played it to lefties, and she seems to be an honest lefty, broadly speaking, the way you describe her, what percent of them would be converted?
[01:59:12]  You said 65%.
[01:59:13]  Oh, that's incorrect.
[01:59:14]  I said default liberals as described by Andrew Breitbart.
[01:59:16]  Okay.
[01:59:17]  What are you categorizing as default liberals?
[01:59:19]  A default liberal is a guy or a woman.
[01:59:20]  They don't watch the news all that much.
[01:59:21]  Okay, that's very different.
[01:59:23]  Okay.
[01:59:23]  But they believe Trump is.
[01:59:24]  Yeah, Okay, that's very different.
[01:59:25]  Right.
[01:59:26]  Lefties are going to be like, I'll say whatever I have to say for power.
[01:59:28]  And just, we saw that with the guy with the children getting the trans surgeries.
[01:59:32]  It's like, nope, nope, nope, nope.
[01:59:34]  There's nothing you could show them that's going to change.
[01:59:35]  But my favorite example is one of the greatest poker players of all time.
[01:59:39]  I'm sorry.
[01:59:40]  I don't want to move up.
[01:59:41]  So she just said it's not true, even if she saw the video?
[01:59:44]  Yes.
[01:59:44]  And then she asked, I believe it was ChetGPT, That said, around 2% of people flee due to high taxes.
[01:59:51]  And I said, that's fantastic for a general nationwide study.
[01:59:54]  In New York, the public budget is showing they lost, was it like $10 billion in revenue or whatever?
[02:00:01]  Gosh, holy crap.
[02:00:02]  Maybe it was like.
[02:00:02]  California's seen the same.
[02:00:03]  No, no, it's $10 billion in income, which would have translated.
[02:00:05]  I mean, yeah, that's still a huge deal.
[02:00:06]  But I want to give this.
[02:00:07]  It's a really great example.
[02:00:08]  What was her reaction, though?
[02:00:09]  She just kept denying it.
[02:00:10]  She said, first of all, she said the New York Post is a bad source.
[02:00:12]  Fine.
[02:00:13]  And then I said, here's a bunch of other sources.
[02:00:14]  She goes, this is not true.
[02:00:15]  And I said, do you think they're all fake news?
[02:00:17]  And she said, yes.
[02:00:19]  And I said, do you think that Kathy Hoka believes fake news?
[02:00:21]  She goes, yes.
[02:00:22]  And I said, okay, if we can't agree on what is simply being reported from a stage where we can smoke.
[02:00:27]  Where are we going to go?
[02:00:28]  But I want to make this example because one of the greatest poker players of all time, Daniel Negrano, he's a liberal dude, a Canadian vegan guy.
[02:00:35]  Oh, God.
[02:00:36]  And he's a raging.
[02:00:37]  Who's a raging lib, right?
[02:00:39]  And there's another of the greatest poker players ever, Mike Madison, who was friends with Daniel and who's a Trump guy.
[02:00:48]  And he would try to explain to Daniel when he's wrong and they would argue until one fateful day when Mike Madison said, I took my phone, pulled up the video of Trump speaking, and I said, You are wrong, watch.
[02:01:03]  And he pressed play and slid it across the table and Daniel went, Fine, and looked.
[02:01:08]  And then after watching the video, he went, Wow, I didn't know that.
[02:01:13]  And instantly said, Tell me more.
[02:01:16]  He is very liberal in many ways.
[02:01:18]  Sure.
[02:01:18]  He's a vegan Canadian guy.
[02:01:20]  But he said, Wow, I was wrong about that.
[02:01:23]  But that's what a smart, normal person does.
[02:01:25]  The default libs might be very excitable because they don't pay attention to the news.
[02:01:30]  That's a low, low propensity.
[02:01:32]  What's the low something voter?
[02:01:33]  Low propensity voter.
[02:01:34]  Low information frequency.
[02:01:35]  Yeah.
[02:01:36]  It's the thing about high information.
[02:01:37]  Low wisdom is you think you know the truth and it's hard to see how you could be wrong.
[02:01:41]  I would hold on.
[02:01:41]  Michael makes the best point ever.
[02:01:43]  Why would the weatherman lie to you?
[02:01:45]  Right.
[02:01:45]  And so for someone like Daniel Negrano, he's not a news guy, he's a poker guy.
[02:01:49]  So he passively hears news, he sees the TV, and he's thinking to himself, I just saw that report.
[02:01:54]  They're not lying.
[02:01:55]  Someone's trying to convince him that's all fake.
[02:01:58]  It's just like, bro, I'm not going to trust you over the news.
[02:02:01]  And then you show him the video, and then he went, Wow.
[02:02:05]  Michael, that point that you made, like trying to explain this to someone is trying to explain to a person that not only is the weatherman not wrong, he's lying to you.
[02:02:15]  That's what it sounds like.
[02:02:17]  And it's such a great way to articulate it because That seems like such an absurd thing.
[02:02:22]  You're a lunatic.
[02:02:23]  Yeah.
[02:02:23]  Yeah.
[02:02:24]  You're literally a lunatic.
[02:02:25]  Why am I even talking to you?
[02:02:26]  What do you mean?
[02:02:26]  Right.
[02:02:27]  You know, like the weatherman is lying.
[02:02:29]  All of them?
[02:02:30]  Yeah.
[02:02:30]  Are you stupid?
[02:02:31]  How would they even have a job?
[02:02:32]  Yeah.
[02:02:33]  Truth be told, most of them are not giving you adequate information, but they're not lying.
[02:02:36]  Right.
[02:02:37]  I think they're telling you the truth.
[02:02:38]  They just don't have the information.
[02:02:39]  But here's where you're trying to tell you to the best of their abilities, but they're speculating.
[02:02:42]  Here's where you and I disagree.
[02:02:43]  Like the number of people, I think that ceiling for the people who could become like, oh crap, is much lower than you do.
[02:02:51]  I'm not talking about leftists.
[02:02:52]  No, I'm talking about even default liberals.
[02:02:55]  I still think it's a minority.
[02:02:56]  There's liberals.
[02:02:58]  There's conservatives.
[02:02:59]  Right.
[02:02:59]  And there's default liberals.
[02:03:00]  I'm talking about default liberals.
[02:03:01]  Default liberal doesn't mean someone who waves the Ukrainian flag.
[02:03:04]  I understand.
[02:03:04]  It means a regular, uninitiated person.
[02:03:06]  I agree.
[02:03:06]  And they vote liberal because they don't know better.
[02:03:08]  I agree.
[02:03:08]  And I'm saying that number is lower.
[02:03:11]  My guess as to what number that is is lower than yours.
[02:03:14]  I don't think so.
[02:03:14]  I think the default libs are the people who watch Joe Rogan.
[02:03:17]  I hear you, but I still think it's a low slip.
[02:03:20]  Because a lot of it also means it's who you surround yourself with.
[02:03:22]  That's true.
[02:03:23]  Because if you're going to be like Trump's not that bad for many people, that.
[02:03:26]  F's up their whole life.
[02:03:27]  The point Breitbart was making is that there are people who don't pay attention to politics in the least, but when they go to the voting booth, they check Democrat.
[02:03:35]  Correct.
[02:03:35]  These people can be convinced by arguments.
[02:03:37]  Correct.
[02:03:38]  My point is the percent of them that can be convinced, if I had to guess the number, is lower than the percent you would guess.
[02:03:43]  Perhaps.

=== Patreon Drama Unleashed (02:53) ===

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[02:06:03]  And Oh boy, we got drama.
[02:06:14]  We got drama for all you guys.
[02:06:15]  Here we go.
[02:06:16]  What is it?
[02:06:17]  Here's Blake Neff.
[02:06:19]  During the ASU event, we got a question about Miss Erica Kirk becoming the new leader of Turning Point.
[02:06:23]  My answer there was absolutely no doubt whose Charlie successor was Charlie New.
[02:06:26]  And we know you want to pull this up?
[02:06:28]  Yeah.
[02:06:29]  It's because when Charlie was alive, people repeatedly asked, Charlie, we're worried something will happen to him.
[02:06:35]  People always speculated that something could happen to Charlie.

=== Charlie Successor Candace (09:38) ===

[02:06:37]  And when he was asked, he would, first of all, he was totally fearless.
[02:06:41]  He would just say, like, oh, it'll be fine.
[02:06:43]  Erica will take over for me.
[02:06:44]  That is what he said over and over.
[02:06:46]  I saw them interact all the time, almost on a daily basis.
[02:06:50]  Even when he was traveling, he was calling her all the time, he was talking to her all the time.
[02:06:55]  Charlie and Erica were partners, they were husband and wife in a deep way.
[02:06:59]  Their marriage was incredibly admirable.
[02:07:01]  I've seen a lot of marriages.
[02:07:03]  Some of them are good, some of them are bad.
[02:07:05]  Charlie and Erica's was exceptional, they were on the same wavelength.
[02:07:09]  I saw how much that relationship, I didn't know Erica as well prior to Charlie's death, but especially in the wake of it, I saw how much everything he'd done meant to her and how completely committed she was to fulfilling his mission, what he had done in life.
[02:07:24]  That she knew the life I thought I was going to live has changed very abruptly, but I am fearlessly going to embrace the new one because I know it's what I have to do for my husband and for his legacy.
[02:07:36]  That is the reason she was put front and center.
[02:07:38]  And she hasn't really, she's become the CEO of the organization because that is what.
[02:07:43]  Charlie wanted, and it's because I saw it with all the people who were senior at Turning Point.
[02:07:48]  There wasn't even a question that that is what was happening.
[02:07:51]  This is Blake Neff.
[02:07:52]  Oh, that's Blake speaking.
[02:07:53]  Okay.
[02:07:53]  Candace Owen says, Love this.
[02:07:54]  Can you please release the video you shot in Aspen of him naming her as his successor a couple of weeks before he died?
[02:08:01]  Just feel that it would go a long way.
[02:08:02]  And he says, Candace, We haven't bothered playing it because we know psychopathic predators like yourself do not care what is true or false, and normal evidentiary logic has no effect on you.
[02:08:11]  You're the kind of person who sees coded messages in the number 33, but then ignores evidence like DNA on a rifle or Tyler Robinson's own family members turning him in.
[02:08:20]  Playing the audio at Amfest already wasn't enough.
[02:08:22]  You'll obviously just say it's AI or a hologram or an Israeli actor or something.
[02:08:26]  So, what's the point?
[02:08:27]  We give it the possibility of any good faith conversation with you months ago.
[02:08:30]  It's like trying to reason with a maniac brandishing a knife and screaming at people on the subway.
[02:08:34]  You're the same thing.
[02:08:36]  Do you know about Kenneth Owens' number 33 thing?
[02:08:41]  Before you answer that, I'm just going to ask one thing.
[02:08:43]  I forget who I was talking to, and they were saying that she was saying that Charlie Kirk told her he's a time traveler.
[02:08:49]  Yes.
[02:08:49]  And that he came to her repeatedly in dreams.
[02:08:50]  She's off this as evidence.
[02:08:52]  Hold on.
[02:08:52]  But when I heard this, I'm like, okay, people are joking about it.
[02:08:56]  And I'm like, oh, and whenever I listen to someone who was online, I think, what would be the point where I'm like, all right, I'm done with Phil?
[02:09:03]  You know what I mean?
[02:09:04]  And one would have thought.
[02:09:06]  Well, what's your proof for this?
[02:09:07]  Well, Phil came to me in a dream.
[02:09:08]  And it's like, okay, like, and the fact that people aren't leaving the room then, I'm like, I don't know what to say at this point.
[02:09:13]  So Candace believes that the number.
[02:09:17]  Says she believes it.
[02:09:18]  Yeah.
[02:09:19]  That the number 33 is appearing everywhere because it's not an exaggeration.
[02:09:23]  The cult is intentionally.
[02:09:26]  It's called the cult.
[02:09:28]  Okay.
[02:09:28]  Yeah.
[02:09:29]  Is putting the number 33 everywhere to signal to other cult members what their agenda is.
[02:09:33]  I don't know.
[02:09:33]  Expedition 33 is a popular video game right now.
[02:09:36]  It's not called 33.
[02:09:36]  It's 46.
[02:09:37]  This is called Apiphenia.
[02:09:39]  And it is a symptom of paranoid schizophrenia.
[02:09:42]  Famously, like the movie The Number 23, where Jim Carrey starts ranting about how the number 23 is appearing everywhere, losing his mind.
[02:09:49]  23.
[02:09:50]  I saw it right now.
[02:09:52]  If you're looking for it, you're going to see it.
[02:09:54]  That's, yep.
[02:09:55]  Out of sight, out of mind, and the inverse.
[02:09:57]  If you think of it, you'll see it.
[02:09:59]  I spent a weekend, oh God.
[02:10:01]  I hosted the QAnon shaman at my house.
[02:10:03]  Good.
[02:10:04]  And his, we did a show together, me and him.
[02:10:07]  His pattern recognition is off the charts.
[02:10:09]  So we're walking along Austin.
[02:10:11]  He goes, See that?
[02:10:12]  That's a rabbit.
[02:10:13]  And across the street, that's a star.
[02:10:14]  What does that mean?
[02:10:16]  And whatever the things were, he had a connection because he was seeing connections that I wasn't.
[02:10:20]  Schizophrenia?
[02:10:21]  I don't, I'm not going to speak.
[02:10:22]  I don't know.
[02:10:23]  I can't speak to that.
[02:10:23]  But the point is, if you're someone who's like 33, why, why with, why 33?
[02:10:27]  Well, honestly, I think Kenneth just makes this stuff up.
[02:10:29]  No, but I mean, why is she making him 33 and not 17?
[02:10:33]  Because three is a power number?
[02:10:34]  But why not three?
[02:10:34]  Three is easier to find angel numbers.
[02:10:37]  I don't know.
[02:10:37]  Like 333, 222, 111.
[02:10:39]  Honestly, I think it's a break, a psychological break.
[02:10:42]  I used to look at signs and think I was seeing the signs when I was deeply disturbed.
[02:10:47]  And it's like, bro, sometimes you just got to like form natural reality.
[02:10:51]  I would argue that she's paranoid schizophrenic, but I don't think that's true.
[02:10:55]  I think she knows exactly what she's doing.
[02:10:58]  I disagree.
[02:10:59]  I think she's BPD.
[02:11:01]  I think since Charlie died, she's gone more to life.
[02:11:03]  Since Charlie died, bro, she got fired from Daily Wire.
[02:11:07]  She's always been a firebrand, but she got fired because she was like, Bridget Macron has a dick.
[02:11:11]  She like fell into madness in a way.
[02:11:13]  Fell into?
[02:11:14]  Yeah, after Charlie Brown.
[02:11:15]  I think the Brigitte Macron is a penis thing.
[02:11:17]  That was not going to be.
[02:11:18]  During the Daily Wire, like, why do you say BBT?
[02:11:21]  Okay, so, okay, let me break this down.
[02:11:24]  You know how, like, if we look back to the kids these days, can you pull a picture of Liberace?
[02:11:29]  That's what we need more.
[02:11:30]  Sure.
[02:11:30]  Pull him up for the kids.
[02:11:32]  Sure.
[02:11:32]  So Liberace, yeah.
[02:11:34]  In the 60s, Liberace full screened him.
[02:11:37]  Look at that, like a smiling face.
[02:11:38]  I'll find a big one.
[02:11:39]  This guy looks like you, Michael.
[02:11:40]  Not big enough.
[02:11:41]  Shut it.
[02:11:42]  I'm not going to tell the story.
[02:11:43]  Go on, go on.
[02:11:44]  I misspoke.
[02:11:45]  So Liberace would tell people he's straight.
[02:11:48]  And fans of Liberace would say, well, that's just the actor playing him, I think, in a movie.
[02:11:52]  Fans, people would be like, well, have you ever seen him?
[02:11:54]  Can we curse now?
[02:11:55]  Yes.
[02:11:56]  Have you ever seen him sucking dick?
[02:11:57]  You're just saying that, blah, blah, blah.
[02:11:59]  And you look back and look at that guy.
[02:12:01]  Yeah, blow up the one on the right.
[02:12:02]  Yeah, look, I can't blow it up.
[02:12:03]  Okay.
[02:12:03]  Yeah.
[02:12:05]  Point being, if you know what BPD looks like and you've had to deal with someone with borderline, you can see it from space.
[02:12:11]  And if you haven't, it's like, what are you, what, just because he has a piano, just because he's got a cloak, what does that have to do with sucking dick?
[02:12:18]  It's the same.
[02:12:18]  And have you had to deal with BPD people?
[02:12:21]  My ex wife.
[02:12:23]  Yeah.
[02:12:23]  Yeah.
[02:12:24]  It was rough.
[02:12:24]  They always double down and it's always attack and they will cut off their arm to take a piece of hair off your head.
[02:12:31]  Well, it's aggression.
[02:12:32]  You know what gay face is, right?
[02:12:33]  Yeah, it's that.
[02:12:34]  It's a thing.
[02:12:36]  Gay face is a thing.
[02:12:37]  It is.
[02:12:39]  What are you talking about, Tim?
[02:12:41]  He's just a piano player.
[02:12:42]  So, no, no, no.
[02:12:43]  Gay face is a real thing.
[02:12:44]  I know, I know.
[02:12:44]  I'm just saying with that Bibi Bashi photo.
[02:12:46]  A contested study based concept suggesting that gay individuals may exhibit subtle, statistically distinct facial features compared to heterosexuals.
[02:12:51]  Oh, God.
[02:12:52]  Yeah.
[02:12:52]  Eyes open, kind of wide with a mouth open.
[02:12:54]  I see why you're hiding your sunglasses on.
[02:12:56]  Can you tell?
[02:12:57]  I mean, you showed up a little earlier than I was expecting.
[02:13:00]  Gay face isn't about like.
[02:13:01]  Look at this.
[02:13:02]  International Journal of Psychology gay people have different faces from straight people.
[02:13:06]  People can guess someone's sexual orientation with 67% accuracy by the first time.
[02:13:09]  I think it's also their affect.
[02:13:11]  Yeah.
[02:13:14]  I saw a dramatic change in Candace.
[02:13:16]  If it was more of a subtle change after Charlie died, gradually than suddenly.
[02:13:20]  Yeah, before she was, I was always like, she'd be an actor.
[02:13:23]  In a sane world, she'd be an actor.
[02:13:25]  Because everything's so sick politically, she got into politics.
[02:13:28]  Similar to Thomas Jefferson.
[02:13:29]  He would have been an actor.
[02:13:30]  He said it himself.
[02:13:30]  He was like, you have the option of making, you're taking away the responsibility.
[02:13:34]  You guys, you're all wrong.
[02:13:35]  We're on a politics show.
[02:13:35]  Candace Owens.
[02:13:36]  Tim's like a funny dude.
[02:13:37]  He was an actor.
[02:13:38]  One of the first alien hybrids that was brought together, according to Matt Gaetz, so that humans could communicate with the aliens.
[02:13:46]  And they're using her to control the masses because she's allegiant to the alien.
[02:13:51]  You're just saying black people aren't humans.
[02:13:52]  That's what you're saying.
[02:13:53]  We all heard it.
[02:13:54]  I don't see race.
[02:13:55]  Can you tell people what BPD looks like?
[02:13:59]  I remember there was a lot of the I hate you, don't leave me stuff.
[02:14:03]  Oh, yeah.
[02:14:03]  A lot of the, you know, I'm going to leave you, I'm going to leave you, I'm going to leave you.
[02:14:08]  And then as soon as you say, or as soon as I say, okay, fine, then it was like, no, don't leave me.
[02:14:13]  Very much kind of like love bombing when things are okay.
[02:14:17]  And then when things are.
[02:14:18]  It's like a switch.
[02:14:18]  It's a switch.
[02:14:19]  Yeah, it's like a switch.
[02:14:21]  Yep.
[02:14:21]  Or none of them, excuse me.
[02:14:22]  Yeah.
[02:14:23]  A lot of, also, there was, at least with her, there was a lot of secrecy.
[02:14:28]  She didn't want me to know about certain parts of her past, people that had been in her life.
[02:14:35]  And I think a lot of that has to do with because of the way that the relationships ended up.
[02:14:38]  Yeah, because they always had the same pattern.
[02:14:40]  And she didn't want anything to do with getting to know my family, really.
[02:14:44]  Wow.
[02:14:45]  So I would be like, hey, we're going to go.
[02:14:48]  Is she still on the attack?
[02:14:50]  We haven't spoken in years.
[02:14:51]  No, but usually they just, they don't stop.
[02:14:54]  No, last couple times, last time she tried to reach out to me and contact me was like 2021.
[02:15:01]  Oh, you're lucky.
[02:15:03]  Okay.
[02:15:03]  Yeah, and I just stopped responding.
[02:15:05]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:15:06]  Good.
[02:15:06]  You're lucky.
[02:15:07]  Amber Heard's another example.
[02:15:09]  Liberace claimed he was never gay.
[02:15:13]  That's because of the desire.
[02:15:15]  You actually go to Liberace music the desire?
[02:15:18]  Yeah, it's the sucking dickian.
[02:15:20]  It's the dickian.
[02:15:20]  It was a 22 year old claim that he was his lover and was owed money, and he denied it.
[02:15:25]  And he never publicly acknowledged that he was gay.
[02:15:29]  Betty White outed him.
[02:15:30]  I don't think Queen did either.
[02:15:32]  Like Freddie Mercury.
[02:15:33]  Really?
[02:15:34]  Yeah, he was black.
[02:15:34]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:15:35]  Liberace had HIV.
[02:15:36]  That proves it.
[02:15:38]  So he's either gay, a drug addict, or black.
[02:15:41]  That sounds like a vampire.
[02:15:43]  You know, I love Queen.
[02:15:47]  Don't stop me now.
[02:15:48]  But in hindsight, someone probably should have.
[02:15:51]  Oh, God.
[02:15:52]  Sure, they tried.
[02:15:53]  Really?
[02:15:54]  Not even really a joke, you know?
[02:15:56]  The song is literally about him doing all the things that led to his death.
[02:16:00]  It's not about, I don't think the song's about all the things, because I think the lyrics don't mention that.
[02:16:05]  Like, they're all metaphors.
[02:16:06]  Oh, okay.
[02:16:07]  On a rocket ship to Mars, he's like doing drugs and having sex and orgies and all this crazy shit.
[02:16:13]  And then it killed him.
[02:16:15]  So, you wait.

=== Milo Twins Hodge MAGA (09:12) ===

[02:16:16]  So, to our point, you think Candace is if she's well, I've met her on several occasions and she is lucid, right?
[02:16:25]  And very astute.
[02:16:27]  Like, when discussing, like, backstage for a show, talking about the goings on of the world, she is clear and accurate and.
[02:16:36]  Lucid and functioning and present.
[02:16:38]  Okay.
[02:16:38]  Kanye West is as well.
[02:16:39]  Okay.
[02:16:39]  So, as the cameras turn on, Ye, behind the scenes, Ye was talking like this, like, you know, I was watching what Elon was doing.
[02:16:46]  It was really interesting because, and that's the kind of conversation.
[02:16:48]  And then we're sitting down and that's how he's talking.
[02:16:50]  He's like, yeah, yeah.
[02:16:52]  Milo, what do you think about Elon?
[02:16:53]  Because he's working with Jews now, isn't he?
[02:16:55]  Like he did some kind of ritual.
[02:16:56]  It was very calm.
[02:16:58]  Camera goes on.
[02:16:59]  Y'all, man, I'm going to tell you that while saying your, bro.
[02:17:02]  It's Jasmine Crockett.
[02:17:03]  And I'm like, what just happened?
[02:17:05]  Jasmine Crockett's like that too.
[02:17:06]  We were having fun.
[02:17:07]  In this age with this technology, It's like, are we performing or are we being real?
[02:17:10]  So, you think she's not crazy?
[02:17:11]  She's just making things up?
[02:17:13]  Well, the 33 thing, I'm like, you know, maybe she might be crazy.
[02:17:16]  But again, she's been on this show.
[02:17:19]  She's come in.
[02:17:19]  We've hung out.
[02:17:20]  And when you're hanging out with her, there's presence.
[02:17:23]  You know, like, I don't know if you've ever met a schizophrenic.
[02:17:27]  I assume probably.
[02:17:28]  Probably, yeah.
[02:17:28]  I actually do know some diagnosed schizophrenics.
[02:17:30]  They're not present.
[02:17:31]  Meaning, like.
[02:17:32]  That's why I'm saying she's not schizophrenic.
[02:17:34]  Yeah, exactly.
[02:17:36]  I think she's calculating and she knows what she's lying about.
[02:17:38]  Yes, a BPD case, they go for the attack.
[02:17:40]  They're not like, I don't, but there's something called the BPD stare where they have a vacant glazed overlook.
[02:17:46]  They're not present.
[02:17:47]  She was present.
[02:17:48]  Like, so there are people, like, there's people that I'm sure you've met that you feel like they're not in their mind.
[02:17:56]  They're looking through you.
[02:17:57]  Oh, no, that's not them.
[02:17:58]  Okay.
[02:17:58]  I thought you were a nice, made icon.
[02:17:59]  No, I know exactly what you mean.
[02:18:00]  Like, you're not invisible to them.
[02:18:02]  My point, so you think she's just making this stuff up?
[02:18:05]  I think that she is incredibly intelligent and knows how to game the system.
[02:18:10]  I think that's true, too.
[02:18:11]  It's also possible that she's married to a British lord and her lawyers are working in a building with federal agents for some reason, and it may be on purpose.
[02:18:16]  But I like she's not making it up, but it's being made up for her.
[02:18:21]  Okay.
[02:18:22]  I think if someone's going on about with a straight face saying, Charlie came to me in a dream, there's something a little bit wrong there.
[02:18:29]  It works for dumb people, but let me, where's that stupid fucking tweet?
[02:18:33]  It's Rick.
[02:18:34]  She's in a deep seated room.
[02:18:35]  I have this funny Twitter throw with Milo.
[02:18:36]  Oh, this one right here.
[02:18:38]  Take a look at this.
[02:18:40]  I've talked about this quite a bit because this is like the sixth or seventh time I have seen an AI generated, I am done with Candace.
[02:18:47]  I am done.
[02:18:48]  Done with Tucker.
[02:18:48]  I am done with Tim Cast.
[02:18:50]  And it's funny because the comments always have someone going, Why is Tim Cast here?
[02:18:54]  Oh, is that right?
[02:18:54]  Yeah.
[02:18:55]  Yeah.
[02:18:56]  The point is, there is very obviously a coordinated operation going on.
[02:19:02]  People aren't randomly just putting my name in a list of people I've criticized or Jack Posobic for that matter.
[02:19:07]  Right.
[02:19:07]  Like, why is Jack with Kenneth?
[02:19:08]  He's turning point.
[02:19:09]  I just had him on my show last week.
[02:19:10]  It was a great interview.
[02:19:11]  People were all salty for some reason.
[02:19:13]  I don't know why.
[02:19:14]  That's the point.
[02:19:15]  Oh.
[02:19:16]  There is clearly some kind of.
[02:19:18]  Op going on right now to say these people are persona non grata.
[02:19:23]  Now, I don't know.
[02:19:24]  I'm not the smartest guy in the world.
[02:19:25]  I can look at a few patterns.
[02:19:26]  You aren't?
[02:19:28]  Certainly not.
[02:19:29]  These people are breaking from Trump, notably.
[02:19:32]  Yes.
[02:19:32]  I'm not, and Pasobic's not.
[02:19:34]  One theory is they expect Trump to be on the way out.
[02:19:38]  The Democrats are nuking the progressives.
[02:19:41]  The establishment wants to eliminate the progressives and eliminate the fringes of the right.
[02:19:45]  So there's a couple ways we can look at it.
[02:19:47]  This is a maybe.
[02:19:48]  I don't know for sure.
[02:19:48]  Sure, sure.
[02:19:49]  One maybe for this is let's make it so that these people are persona non grata and their careers end.
[02:19:57]  I don't know that that makes the most sense though, because Megyn Kelly is prominent in the media all the time.
[02:20:02]  She seems to think more like guilt by association.
[02:20:04]  There may be a different view of this.
[02:20:06]  To salvage these personalities.
[02:20:09]  The machine state is saying these are the acceptable voices we do want.
[02:20:13]  Trump and the populist right, we are going to excise.
[02:20:17]  Jasmine Crockett, the squad, those members, we're going to excise.
[02:20:21]  We are going to have a moderate center space.
[02:20:24]  If you're MAGA, screw these guys, which pushes us away from MAGA into a different space.
[02:20:32]  So, one of my hypotheses, which again, I don't know the probability, is less than a percent, is that for one, I would say this.
[02:20:38]  I believe there's a preponderance of evidence of a coordinated effort to create a list of non MAGA.
[02:20:46]  Like, if you're MAGA, these people are bad.
[02:20:48]  The Southern Poverty Law Center did this.
[02:20:50]  Exactly.
[02:20:51]  This is the MO, but it's being done from Twitter.
[02:20:53]  Yeah.
[02:20:53]  Because what I would say is Tim Cast and Jack Posabek on the list makes literally no sense unless the narrative machine wants these people to be on a life raft as MAGA sinks.
[02:21:04]  That's right.
[02:21:04]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:21:05]  So when MAGA is dead and gone, we will still be here.
[02:21:10]  I don't think that half those names are reliable, established, like you can count on them to toe the party line, whatever party that is.
[02:21:17]  I disagree.
[02:21:19]  You don't think that some of those people lose cannons?
[02:21:23]  Yeah, I don't.
[02:21:24]  Okay.
[02:21:25]  Give me a name.
[02:21:26]  I don't think Candace tows the line.
[02:21:29]  Candace is saying exactly what YouTube wants to promote for some reason.
[02:21:33]  Sure.
[02:21:33]  Okay.
[02:21:33]  But I don't think Candace and you are saying the same thing, is my point.
[02:21:35]  I agree.
[02:21:36]  So if I like one, I'm not going to like the other.
[02:21:38]  Of course.
[02:21:38]  My point is.
[02:21:39]  This is the narrative machine saying, we're going to put these people in a life raft and kick them off MAGA.
[02:21:44]  MAGA's going to sink.
[02:21:45]  And these people obviously don't agree with Megan Kelly and the Hodge twins, Psobek.
[02:21:49]  Like, of course we all disagree.
[02:21:50]  They're saying these are the salvageable personalities from MAGA.
[02:21:52]  MAGA's done.
[02:21:53]  It is an interesting list now that I'm looking at it more.
[02:21:56]  Like Milo, Megan Kelly, the Hodge twins, and MTG.
[02:22:02]  You know what?
[02:22:03]  I mean, honestly.
[02:22:03]  You know who's not on this list?
[02:22:04]  Hold on.
[02:22:05]  No, you listen.
[02:22:06]  You know who's not on this list?
[02:22:07]  Fuentes and Ian Carroll.
[02:22:09]  Is that interesting?
[02:22:10]  Fuentes is banned.
[02:22:11]  No, but he could still say without his tandle, he could use his name.
[02:22:14]  So the reason I have this hypothesis.
[02:22:15]  This is interesting.
[02:22:16]  Why isn't he on this list?
[02:22:17]  Because he does not toe the established.
[02:22:20]  No, but my point is I'm this guy and this is real and I'm putting all these people out there.
[02:22:23]  Oh, right, right, right.
[02:22:24]  Exactly.
[02:22:24]  He should be on that list.
[02:22:25]  Exactly.
[02:22:25]  It's early ahead of you.
[02:22:26]  Candace has been saying vote Democrat.
[02:22:28]  Yeah.
[02:22:28]  But here's my thing.
[02:22:30]  He was never in the acceptable.
[02:22:32]  Let's break this down.
[02:22:33]  I'll make a few points.
[02:22:34]  I see.
[02:22:35]  Real Candace Owens.
[02:22:37]  She is saying things that YouTube is promoting for some reason.
[02:22:40]  Right.
[02:22:40]  YouTube was putting her show in what we call the default front page, which is For the algorithm, people who have never been exposed to her are getting.
[02:22:46]  There are people that I know are apolitical that YouTube is suggesting Candace Owens to, and now they watch religiously.
[02:22:51]  Certainly, the machine wants that.
[02:22:53]  Marjorie Taylor Greene broke from Trump and has now left MAGA, and she is calling out the MAGA machine.
[02:22:59]  Tucker Carlson, he's a mainstream media guy.
[02:23:02]  His dad was CIA.
[02:23:04]  He's, of course, party line.
[02:23:05]  He's friends with Trump.
[02:23:07]  Milo, now, certainly that may be the most anomalous, but what has Milo been saying?
[02:23:12]  Exactly what Tucker and Candace have been saying.
[02:23:14]  He is saying what is.
[02:23:17]  The anti MAGA line.
[02:23:19]  He also has left MAGA.
[02:23:20]  Jack Posobick is a, he is of the internet in the space, but he is also a moderate guy.
[02:23:27]  Yeah.
[02:23:28]  He is an acceptable conservative, not to disemote Ben Shapiro.
[02:23:31]  Me, same thing.
[02:23:33]  I've described myself as a pressure release valve for the right.
[02:23:35]  I think that's fair.
[02:23:36]  That YouTube tolerates this show because I will say just enough for conservatives to feel heard, but not enough to be empowered.
[02:23:45]  So if you are trying to eliminate MAGA, you would love a Timcast.
[02:23:50]  He speaks in a way that MAGA people will at least feel a pressure release, but not extreme enough to where they'll go off the scene.
[02:23:57]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:23:57]  Megyn Kelly's the obvious mainstream, NBC, all of these things.
[02:24:01]  She's a mainstream media personality who is saying what Candace is saying and agreeing with them.
[02:24:05]  And the Hodge twins is my favorite.
[02:24:07]  You know why?
[02:24:08]  Now, I'm going to be careful here because this is only what's been stated online.
[02:24:12]  Many people have criticized them for this.
[02:24:14]  On Twitter and on Facebook, they are mirror images of each other.
[02:24:17]  What do you mean?
[02:24:18]  What people on X have pointed out, they've posted Facebook things.
[02:24:23]  They have a management company for Facebook that found that diehard MAGA works really well on Facebook because of the boomers.
[02:24:31]  So on Facebook, they're like, Trump can do no wrong.
[02:24:34]  On X, because.
[02:24:36]  Nope.
[02:24:37]  That's just the.
[02:24:38]  So smart.
[02:24:39]  Because the Hodge twins are just media personalities.
[02:24:41]  Yeah, right, yeah.
[02:24:41]  So on X, they're saying things like the Jews and all that stuff.
[02:24:45]  Because basically, what the rumor is, and I'm not saying it's true.
[02:24:49]  Did you know Fauci's Jewish?
[02:24:50]  Well, look at that.
[02:24:51]  Just ask them.
[02:24:52]  They went after Fauci.
[02:24:53]  I don't know if this is true, but the rumor is all of their social media is managed by a company that doesn't care for politics, it cares for engagement.
[02:25:02]  Sure.
[02:25:03]  So on X, it posts whatever gets the most on each platform.
[02:25:06]  So that's a perfect example of why the Hodge twins are acceptable.
[02:25:09]  Wow.
[02:25:10]  Or maybe one thinks one thing, the other thinks the other.
[02:25:13]  Could be.
[02:25:15]  Let's go to collars.
[02:25:16]  Let's go to collars.
[02:25:16]  We got Freedom Eagle.
[02:25:18]  Hey, what's up?
[02:25:20]  What's up?
[02:25:21]  How are you doing, gentlemen?
[02:25:22]  Hello, Freedom Eagle.
[02:25:24]  How are you doing?
[02:25:25]  Well, second time caller, long time watcher.

=== Police State Meritocracy (02:36) ===

[02:25:29]  I got a couple of questions here that might be interesting.
[02:25:33]  The first question I kind of want to see if each of you will give an answer is how far is too far when it comes to deportations of migrants?
[02:25:44]  Too far in what sense?
[02:25:47]  What country is too far away?
[02:25:48]  Is it too far away to send to Australia?
[02:25:50]  No, what is the.
[02:25:52]  At what point would we be going too far for it to be acceptable?
[02:25:57]  Oh, I think like a police state.
[02:26:01]  I mean, that's.
[02:26:01]  Define police state.
[02:26:02]  No, I think the fact if every aspect of your life is under surveillance, you clearly cross some line.
[02:26:07]  It's not.
[02:26:09]  It's not openly weaponized in the same way that a police state would be.
[02:26:17]  Is that what you mean?
[02:26:18]  Are you talking about who should stay and who should go?
[02:26:21]  I think it's talking about optics, right?
[02:26:23]  Well, I'm kind of thinking about optics as well as actual function.
[02:26:29]  At what point does it degrade its function?
[02:26:31]  I think I had this tweet before the election, and I said, or right after, I don't remember, I apologize.
[02:26:36]  And I said, guys, Trump's not going to do mass deportations.
[02:26:39]  The space isn't there.
[02:26:40]  And a lot of people disagree with me correctly, and they're like, it's not about the mass deportations.
[02:26:46]  Unhabitable for them, so people leave on their own.
[02:26:49]  Which is, I was very impressed that people had that like shrewd strategic approach.
[02:26:52]  So, I think to your point, it's never really going to be about dragging people out of houses, it's going to be about making an environment where it's inhospitable for them to stay.
[02:27:03]  Yeah, oh geez, until we all move to El Salvador.
[02:27:08]  I had a second part here, and that was the question of everybody's thoughts on transitioning from the current democratic republic into a meritocratic republic.
[02:27:21]  How would that work?
[02:27:22]  Yeah, what does that mean?
[02:27:24]  A meritocratic republic is a civil service requirement for typically politicians.
[02:27:33]  Like Heinlein?
[02:27:34]  First and foremost, or to the degree of for voting rights and whatnot.
[02:27:40]  You could think of, I guess.
[02:27:42]  Who do you think is going to be giving those voting rights tests?
[02:27:44]  It's not going to be you.
[02:27:45]  It's going to be Kamala Harris.
[02:27:46]  And if you didn't get the jab, that proves that you're stupid in their mind.
[02:27:51]  You sort of have a meritocracy with.
[02:27:54]  Capitalism, except people are born into money.
[02:27:56]  So, unless there's still money around, it'd be hard to have a real meritocracy when the rich kid gets.
[02:28:02]  And if I have merit, why am I running for office?
[02:28:04]  I have better things to do.

=== Senate Voting Rights Tests (02:12) ===

[02:28:06]  Why am I exposing myself and my family to these attacks?
[02:28:11]  But would it be a productive way to salvage kind of our country?
[02:28:17]  Reverting to service guaranteed citizenship.
[02:28:21]  I just don't think the republic phase of our country is coming to a close.
[02:28:25]  Or coming.
[02:28:26]  You mean the empire phase is here?
[02:28:29]  Well, or a better form of republic, a new word that's not necessarily the republic.
[02:28:33]  Because sending people to go do it for you is sort of breaking down.
[02:28:36]  We have the internet, we have the ability to participate.
[02:28:38]  That's right.
[02:28:39]  Exactly.
[02:28:39]  And having a binary choice is insane when you could have eight different kinds of Coke.
[02:28:44]  Cocaine or Coca Cola?
[02:28:46]  You heard me.
[02:28:46]  All kinds, I guess.
[02:28:48]  Coke with Coca Cola.
[02:28:49]  Fruity Pebble Coke, not the soda.
[02:28:51]  I thought you meant like that coal derivative.
[02:28:53]  By the way, I'm actually quite salty because they made cocoa loops, like Fruit Loops.
[02:29:00]  Why would a toucan be eaten cocoa?
[02:29:03]  The whole point is the toucan's colorful.
[02:29:05]  This is your fault with banning those dyes.
[02:29:08]  Based observation, Michael.
[02:29:10]  It really bothers me as a serial fruit.
[02:29:11]  I did lobby the West Virginia government.
[02:29:13]  I know.
[02:29:13]  Inadvertently, not intentionally.
[02:29:14]  You'll be in jail.
[02:29:16]  All I was talking to a guy, and then I was like, I hope it happens.
[02:29:19]  Jail.
[02:29:20]  Right away, straight away.
[02:29:21]  I'm calling Bukele right now.
[02:29:22]  Bukele, I got one for you.
[02:29:26]  I'm thinking about Republicanism, man.
[02:29:29]  Having a stopgap of a Senate is important because you don't want mob rule.
[02:29:34]  But having that House of Representatives is just a cesspool of people getting bribed.
[02:29:40]  The Senate isn't?
[02:29:41]  It probably is.
[02:29:42]  It's much more of a bribe.
[02:29:43]  I'd be okay getting rid of the representatives at the People could effectively participate, but the Senate is kind of like just in case the people go crazy.
[02:29:52]  The last thing I want is like everybody's vote to like what I agree with you.
[02:29:59]  I say, I know, I know, yeah, yeah.
[02:30:00]  I don't want like true democracy at all.
[02:30:03]  I mean, either.
[02:30:04]  That's like the idea of like, oh, let's make sure everybody votes and everybody's the worst thing that happened in the 90s.
[02:30:10]  Like, everybody has this nostalgia for the 90s.
[02:30:12]  The worst thing that happened in the 90s was rock the vote.
[02:30:14]  MTV should have been taken off the air as soon as they started doing that bullshit.

=== Black Pill Fall Rome (03:42) ===

[02:30:18]  Get out of here.
[02:30:18]  Rock the fuck out.
[02:30:19]  Yeah.
[02:30:19]  It worked for Democrats.
[02:30:21]  It did.
[02:30:22]  Yep.
[02:30:22]  But it convinced people, young people, that, you know, oh, your vote's important.
[02:30:27]  You don't know a goddamn fucking thing.
[02:30:30]  What did the joke of don't vote?
[02:30:32]  Was it South Park?
[02:30:34]  Well, it was shit.
[02:30:35]  No, no, what was it?
[02:30:35]  They went to the black people and they just don't vote.
[02:30:38]  What show was that?
[02:30:38]  I don't remember this.
[02:30:40]  Yeah, there was a show where they went to black people being like, I think it was Cartman.
[02:30:43]  He was like, just don't vote.
[02:30:44]  What's the point?
[02:30:45]  And they're like, yeah, you're right.
[02:30:47]  It was like a sandwich one?
[02:30:49]  I don't know.
[02:30:49]  No, no, no.
[02:30:50]  This was a different one.
[02:30:50]  My buddy the other day was like, I don't know, man.
[02:30:52]  I'm just kind of head in the sand ostrich.
[02:30:54]  I mean, I still vote, but, and I was like, oh, God.
[02:30:57]  That's kind of what I'm trying to avoid people that have no idea what's going on voting.
[02:31:01]  If they can feel better, they're going to do what they want independently who's voted in, as you can see.
[02:31:05]  Dim wits.
[02:31:07]  Yeah.
[02:31:07]  Dim fools.
[02:31:09]  Smart people that don't give a shit about politics.
[02:31:13]  But why should they?
[02:31:13]  Do you know what I mean?
[02:31:14]  They've got, they were trying to run their own lives.
[02:31:16]  Yeah.
[02:31:16]  You know, I brought up that Plato quote, like, take an interest in politics or it takes an interest in you.
[02:31:20]  That's about the only reason.
[02:31:21]  And even that's a vague reason.
[02:31:23]  Right.
[02:31:23]  It must be really hard, like for Ian, being smarter than everybody in our government and having them lord over you.
[02:31:30]  It's a little frustrating, but they're doing the work for me at least.
[02:31:33]  Yeah, the public servants.
[02:31:35]  He works for you.
[02:31:36]  Don't ever forget that.
[02:31:37]  The government works for you.
[02:31:38]  You tell a cop.
[02:31:40]  I love when I watch his videos where the guy goes, You work for me, man.
[02:31:43]  And then he whacks him in the face.
[02:31:44]  It's so painful.
[02:31:45]  Is that what you think?
[02:31:46]  It's so physically painful.
[02:31:47]  Literally, in that case.
[02:31:48]  It is crazy.
[02:31:49]  We're like, You're going to go work for me.
[02:31:50]  They're like, Thanks.
[02:31:51]  As soon as they get there, they're like, Thank God.
[02:31:53]  All these bitches, these idiots.
[02:31:54]  Do we have another caller?
[02:31:55]  Your caller, do you want to add anything or shine anything?
[02:31:56]  I'm sorry, man.
[02:31:57]  I thought you were off the line.
[02:32:00]  I thought you were off the line.
[02:32:03]  I do kind of want to.
[02:32:04]  Shout out all of our armed forces over there.
[02:32:06]  We got the Coast Guards, you know, the Puddle Pirates, the Coasties with the Mosties.
[02:32:10]  We got the Army, you know, our soldiers and warfighters, all about their lethality.
[02:32:16]  We got our Navy, our Marines, you know, those devil dogs.
[02:32:20]  Craneaters.
[02:32:21]  Who has an opinion about those?
[02:32:22]  Craneaters.
[02:32:23]  Yeah.
[02:32:25]  What's your favorite flavor?
[02:32:27]  Red.
[02:32:29]  Good choice.
[02:32:30]  Good choice.
[02:32:31]  And we got the Air Force, you know, the Chair Force.
[02:32:33]  They think they do stuff that's important.
[02:32:35]  All they do is sit around.
[02:32:36]  We got the Space Force.
[02:32:37]  Don't know what those geeks are all about.
[02:32:39]  The National Guard.
[02:32:39]  They're always ready.
[02:32:40]  They're always ready.
[02:32:41]  Yes.
[02:32:43]  That's a compliment.
[02:32:44]  It was, Mr. Hannity.
[02:32:49]  Malice interrupted your question.
[02:32:50]  All right, man.
[02:32:52]  Thanks, ma'am.
[02:32:53]  Well, thank you, sir.
[02:32:54]  Number five.
[02:32:55]  Thanks for calling in.
[02:32:56]  All right.
[02:32:56]  Next up, we've got Kai.
[02:32:59]  Oh, my friend's kidding me.
[02:33:00]  Kai.
[02:33:01]  How's it going?
[02:33:02]  My question is for Malice, Michael, and anybody at the table?
[02:33:05]  Malice, Michael.
[02:33:07]  Yeah.
[02:33:07]  Actually, it's the same name I gave you last year, last time you were on.
[02:33:11]  So, Michael, do you see America?
[02:33:12]  Becoming something similar to the USSR.
[02:33:16]  People have been comparing the current state of America to the fall of Rome.
[02:33:19]  I was wondering if you see America becoming something similar to the USSR or some form of socialist or communist state in the future when the Democrats take back power.
[02:33:27]  Because I'm currently blackpilled.
[02:33:30]  Okay.
[02:33:31]  Brother, don't be blackpilled.
[02:33:34]  Because I promise you, you have a lot of space.
[02:33:37]  I don't know you at all, but you're a guy, so I can make this statement.
[02:33:41]  I promise you, there is a lot of opportunity.
[02:33:44]  In your life, to make your life better, to make yourself better as a person, to improve your circumstances.
[02:33:51]  Do not let the black pill take over you, even if things are going bad politically.
[02:33:55]  You remember, what's the caller's name?
[02:33:57]  Kai.
[02:33:58]  Kai, you remember from 20, I don't know how old.