Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - IT HAS BEGUN, Subpoenas Filed Over GRAND CONSPIRACY Against Trump | Timcast IRL
Aired: 2026-03-19
Duration: 03:06:34


=== Tax Network USA Promo (03:14) ===

[00:02:31]  We got him, boys.
[00:02:32]  It's all over.
[00:02:33]  We've proven everything.
[00:02:34]  James Comey has been subpoenaed in the grand conspiracy against Trump.
[00:02:40]  So far, 130 subpoenas have been issued, and that proves it.
[00:02:46]  It doesn't.
[00:02:47]  It's a subpoena, meaning they're going to investigate.
[00:02:49]  Maybe there will be an actual indictment for once, but I don't want to be blackpilled.
[00:02:54]  I just don't know that we're actually going to get any real criminal charges.
[00:02:57]  I mean, the best it seems the Trump administration has been able to do is accuse certain Democrats of like mortgage fraud for having houses in the wrong location, which they shouldn't do, but it's certainly not evidence of a grand conspiracy against Trump.
[00:03:11]  So, I'm interested to see where this goes.
[00:03:14]  It is big news, so we'll talk about that.
[00:03:15]  Plus, the Pentagon is requesting $200 billion from Congress to keep funding this war, which is absolutely crazy.
[00:03:24]  And, well, I guess, oh, what are you guys doing?
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[00:03:33]  Anyway, so back to the news.
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[00:04:01]  Wow.
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[00:04:05]  Because it's actually, aside from the goofy nature of the video, it's remarkably well generated.
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=== Rule of Law Matters (15:47) ===

[00:05:45]  Joining us tonight, talk about this and so much more.
[00:05:47]  We have Rudyard Lynch.
[00:05:49]  Thank you so much for having me.
[00:05:50]  Grab your microphone, brother.
[00:05:51]  We can't hear you.
[00:05:52]  Thank you so much for having me.
[00:05:53]  It's really a...
[00:05:54]  Who are you?
[00:05:54]  What do you do?
[00:05:55]  I run the YouTube channel, What If All Test in History 102.
[00:05:59]  And you discuss history.
[00:06:01]  I talk about history, anthropology, politics, and the intersection of all of those things.
[00:06:07]  Right on, should be interesting.
[00:06:08]  Kyla is back.
[00:06:09]  Hi.
[00:06:10]  You can find me not so erudite everywhere.
[00:06:13]  And you're a, what do you do?
[00:06:15]  Uh.
[00:06:15]  I do political commentary, but also debate.
[00:06:17]  She's here to yell at us because she's a lib.
[00:06:19]  Yes.
[00:06:20]  That's what she's doing.
[00:06:21]  Of course, Phil and Ian are here, but we don't need introductions for the people you know and love.
[00:06:25]  Let's jump to the news from axios.com.
[00:06:29]  We got James Comey subpoenaed in alleged grand conspiracy against Trump.
[00:06:34]  Former FBI director James Comey has been subpoenaed in the wide-ranging grand conspiracy case against the ex-officials who investigated and prosecuted President Trump.
[00:06:42]  Two sources with knowledge of the situation tell Axios.
[00:06:45]  The investigation has produced more than 130 subpoenas since cranking up last year.
[00:06:50]  The officials, including Comey, have all decried the investigation as political persecution and lawfare.
[00:06:56]  The Trump administration's grand conspiracy theory posits that Democratic officials bent the rules, broke the law, and lied under oath to investigate, prosecute, and otherwise undermine Trump from his election in 2016 through his federal indictments in 2023.
[00:07:09]  The Comey subpoena issued last week relates to his alleged role in the drafting of a January 2017 intelligence committee assessment concerning Russia's election interference that favored Trump.
[00:07:20]  The assessment referenced the now widely discredited Steele dossier, whose inclusion ran counter to fundamental tradecraft principles and ultimately undermined the credibility of a key judgment, according to a Tradecraft review completed in June under Trump's current CIA director, John Ratcliffe.
[00:07:36]  Ratcliffe then referred Comey and former CIA Director John Brennan for prosecution.
[00:07:40]  Well, all I can say, folks, is this proves it once and for all.
[00:07:45]  It is now beyond a reasonable doubt, and we will just assert it as fact.
[00:07:48]  Great.
[00:07:49]  It would be nice.
[00:07:50]  It would be great if we could do something like that, but I guess.
[00:07:53]  We can't.
[00:07:54]  I don't know.
[00:07:54]  It doesn't mean it's correct.
[00:07:55]  We definitely shouldn't.
[00:07:56]  Because the rule of law matters.
[00:07:57]  Until proven guilty.
[00:07:58]  Comey, you're innocent.
[00:07:59]  Until we find out.
[00:08:01]  Well, if this was the standard of due process, then like every single lawyer that we were talking about yesterday is like beyond guilty compared to Comey, right?
[00:08:08]  Agreed.
[00:08:09]  They're all guilty.
[00:08:09]  Lock them all up.
[00:08:10]  Lock them all up, right?
[00:08:11]  But obviously, due process matters, and it's good that we have due process because it protects, as a liberal, I want due process so that when my side, but I don't really have a team, but when we want due process because we want to ensure that people who have vested interests against us can't weaponize systems.
[00:08:27]  And I think that there's genuine concern that the DOJ is being weaponized against Trump enemies.
[00:08:34]  Yeah, I think I think it was weaponized against Trump.
[00:08:36]  I think it's due weapons.
[00:08:37]  Both of those instances, if that was the case, if these are the same thing.
[00:08:40]  That's why I just don't think that's it.
[00:08:41]  I don't believe in due process anymore.
[00:08:43]  Like it's like the tooth fairy to me now.
[00:08:45]  Like you can say it exists and we understand the concept.
[00:08:47]  Like, yes, when I go to bed after my teeth fall out, hopefully not at 40 years old, that would suck.
[00:08:52]  But I put it under my pillow and then money's there.
[00:08:55]  Like something did happen.
[00:08:56]  And then I'm told it was the tooth fairy.
[00:08:58]  That's how I feel about due process, right?
[00:09:00]  Something does happen most of the time, but when it actually matters, there's no due process because the left makes the same exact argument I'm making now.
[00:09:07]  You've got that dude in California who raped that one chick and they said he had affluent.
[00:09:11]  Was it affluenza from raping that chick?
[00:09:14]  So he didn't, there was no functional due process.
[00:09:16]  He was too rich to know what he was doing wrong.
[00:09:18]  He had realized spoiled into things.
[00:09:20]  It's crazy.
[00:09:21]  He had affluenza.
[00:09:22]  Yeah, they said he suffered from affluenza because he was too rich to understand what he did was wrong.
[00:09:26]  So that's from the left.
[00:09:27]  The left has made that argument.
[00:09:28]  I think it's fair to say both the left and the right agree that the legal system is just a function of who wants to exercise power against their enemies.
[00:09:35]  I think that these going behind the backs.
[00:09:38]  I think the inverse case.
[00:09:39]  Yes.
[00:09:39]  Going behind the backs of people and like spying on opponents has been the norm through history, even though they will tell you we have due process.
[00:09:46]  And I'm wondering, Rudyard, I really want to get your take on this because since the internet feels like people like Donald Trump actually have a chance at bucking the system, did this kind of thing ever happen in the past?
[00:09:55]  So I have a few different takes here.
[00:09:57]  The first of which is we have to be very careful about eroding rule of law because that's been the English-speaking world's great advantage.
[00:10:04]  And if we erode rule of law, it's going to have very negative downstream effects on everything between the economy, between politics, because rule of law is the set of rules you use to establish all social interaction.
[00:10:18]  And if that goes away, you won't make companies because someone will steal the company you make.
[00:10:24]  But I have another thing.
[00:10:26]  The second thing is the left has been weaponizing this already.
[00:10:28]  And there's been a huge issue with conservative judges and with conservatives making the argument that you're opposed to, saying, oh, we can't do this, blank, blank, blank.
[00:10:39]  The left has already done a weaponization of the political process to an insane degree.
[00:10:46]  And when conservatives push against stuff where it should be illegal to discriminate against white men under civil rights law, it happens on a mass degree.
[00:10:54]  But conservative judges don't stand against it.
[00:10:57]  Conservative judges don't stand against the rampant abuse in the family court system against men.
[00:11:04]  They don't stand against the rampant biases against white men, where the left has been doing this to an insane degree.
[00:11:11]  And even defensively, the right does not protect itself.
[00:11:16]  Well, so to your point about how we want to keep the rule of law, I would agree, but when it's gone, it's gone.
[00:11:22]  I want to keep my car nice and clean, but if a bunch of vandals come and smash it with crowbars, there's nothing I can do about it.
[00:11:26]  So I get it fixed.
[00:11:28]  To point on the couch thing you guys were talking about, he wasn't under affluenza.
[00:11:31]  He was under the influence of intoxication, Ethan Couch.
[00:11:36]  The argument was that he shouldn't get the harshest penalty because he had, quote-unquote, affluenza.
[00:11:42]  It's a nonsense term that meant he was so rich he didn't understand right from wrong.
[00:11:47]  Yeah.
[00:11:48]  So he did actually end up getting charged.
[00:11:50]  Yeah, he did.
[00:11:51]  Yeah, he had to change.
[00:11:51]  And the argument was that he shouldn't get the harshest of penalties for what he did.
[00:11:54]  Wasn't it like there was a passed-out woman and he was raping her and then some guy's caught her or something?
[00:11:58]  This was like a Me Too era.
[00:11:59]  This is the left, right?
[00:12:00]  This is his defense attorney who argued this.
[00:12:03]  The left was upset that he did not go to prison in the most harshest of penalties because the court system failed us.
[00:12:10]  Sure, yeah.
[00:12:12]  Again, I don't know for someone who's not.
[00:12:13]  He's conservative?
[00:12:14]  Texas.
[00:12:15]  Well, he's from Texas, not California, so the left narrative isn't working here.
[00:12:19]  But also in this case, he was intoxicated and under the influence of drugs.
[00:12:22]  No, he disagrees.
[00:12:23]  Yeah, which is all bad, right?
[00:12:25]  But I think it's progressives were upset at the time of this case because they wanted a very harsh penalty against him The judge gave him a light sentence, citing what she called affluenza.
[00:12:36]  I see his defense attorney citing affluenza.
[00:12:38]  I can't find the judge citing that as the reason why she gave him.
[00:12:41]  But 10 years prevention.
[00:12:42]  Neither here nor there.
[00:12:43]  I mean, it's an old story we were lightly referencing where people on the progressives were upset about it.
[00:12:47]  Sure, I agree.
[00:12:47]  But to the point back to Red Yard, like I was saying, I have a nice car.
[00:12:52]  I try to protect it, right?
[00:12:54]  I'll park it in my garage.
[00:12:55]  Then one day while I'm sleeping, a bunch of whoever Antifa comes and firebombs the garage.
[00:12:59]  It's gone.
[00:13:00]  So you talk about the rule of law and we want to maintain it.
[00:13:03]  But at the same time, you say that the left has been destroying it and eroding it.
[00:13:06]  I mean, at a certain point, they've destroyed it.
[00:13:08]  Yeah, that's – you oftentimes have to balance two opposing things and figure out where between these two is the reasonable conclusion.
[00:13:17]  And I understand what you're saying, where, I mean, Russia Gate was a lie, and it's crazy there's been no prosecution for this staggering lie because there was no actual evidence that Trump was colluding with Russia or that the Russians tilted the course of the election.
[00:13:34]  This was just a story the left made up.
[00:13:36]  And slander is incorrect, especially slander on that scale.
[00:13:39]  And you can't let that go back.
[00:13:42]  And I think another thing is we have laws against treason, and we have seen mass treason among the population.
[00:13:49]  And I would need to actually, I'm not a lawyer.
[00:13:52]  Do you mean like codified legal treason?
[00:13:54]  Which I would say this.
[00:13:58]  The actual law is when you're providing material resources to an enemy at a time of war or aid and comfort, whatever it's specific.
[00:14:06]  Sedition is general undermining of the government in the United States.
[00:14:10]  Yes.
[00:14:10]  And there is treason.
[00:14:14]  Because this happened when Trump said this is like sedition punishable by death.
[00:14:19]  That is when the military seeks to undermine.
[00:14:22]  So there is a special sedition there.
[00:14:23]  I would argue that many of the people you may be referring to, you could perhaps argue treason because they are adherent to, say, China or whatever.
[00:14:30]  But we aren't at war with China despite being adversaries.
[00:14:32]  Iran now is where it gets interesting because you've got a lot of people that are accusing Tucker Carlson of treason directly for communicating with Iran before the U.S. like as the U.S. was preparing strikes against them.
[00:14:43]  But I would say for the general leftist, it's seditious conspiracy.
[00:14:47]  You're correct.
[00:14:48]  I got the words wrong.
[00:14:50]  I mean, what I'd say in general is there's been a complete and utter abuse of the rule of law so far.
[00:14:58]  And it's been done predominantly by the left across a variety of different fields with everything stretching from the national level to the social level to the family level.
[00:15:11]  And this has been justified by the court system.
[00:15:13]  And so you have to be careful that if you remove the institution of law, we're going to devolve into being a third world dictatorship.
[00:15:22]  I think we are.
[00:15:23]  So Trump won the popular vote.
[00:15:27]  He got a plurality, which I think was like 49.8%.
[00:15:30]  The American people expect something to be done.
[00:15:33]  But he's being obstructed by judges every step of the way.
[00:15:35]  And then there's this tit-for-tet back and forth where it goes to like three appeals and then finally he wins.
[00:15:40]  There was a recent ruling with RFK Jr. where he wanted to change the rules on vaccine safety.
[00:15:45]  And then once again, a judge blocked him.
[00:15:47]  And you famously have this judge in D.C. that just says literally no to everything.
[00:15:51]  There was that particularly important court case where these judges were arguing that any district, actually the left was arguing that any district court judge can overturn anything Trump does.
[00:16:04]  And then the Trump administration argued this is insane because at the time, they had an appeal granted allowing this immigration practice.
[00:16:15]  I forget the specific executive order.
[00:16:17]  As soon as it was granted, progressive groups filed a lawsuit in another federal jurisdiction, which put a stay on it, so they can't both be true at the same time.
[00:16:25]  I think it's fair to say that while I agree with you, the left is absolutely just saying by any means necessary, and the right is saying, slow down their Democrats.
[00:16:34]  The left is breaking rule of law.
[00:16:36]  What they're doing is not – it's not justifiable and it's not fair.
[00:16:41]  And English common law was established in the 12th century under a certain context with a certain aim in charge.
[00:16:51]  And this was not the end point of the context or the aim that we were trying to reach.
[00:16:56]  And you have to parallel the left for where they're at.
[00:16:59]  And it's quite – I'm trying to articulate something complicated where in crisis periods like this, you set precedents that you can't go back.
[00:17:12]  And so if you compare the English Civil War to the French Revolution, in the English Civil War, you had a political crisis.
[00:17:19]  And at the end of it, England became a democracy with rule of law.
[00:17:23]  And in France, it spiraled into being a military dictatorship.
[00:17:27]  And these are very different outcomes.
[00:17:29]  And you have to be careful about not establishing precedents that future generations can look to, because if you go to Latin America, there's a lot of countries in Latin America, like Argentina, that's Argentina is more white than America.
[00:17:43]  It has a temperate climate.
[00:17:45]  And Argentina is poor because they don't have rule of law.
[00:17:48]  Where if you can't establish a company and assume that a social superior is not going to steal your company, you can't have a capitalist economy.
[00:17:57]  So let me ask you this question.
[00:17:59]  What is wrong with a military dictatorship?
[00:18:03]  So there's multiple tiers.
[00:18:06]  95 plus percent of regimes in history are authoritarian.
[00:18:10]  And authoritarian is one strong man on top who runs everything.
[00:18:13]  There's tiers, though, where some of them are enlightened.
[00:18:16]  And when you look at authors like Aristotle, they were talking about the benefits of monarchy.
[00:18:21]  And I'm not a monarchist.
[00:18:23]  But monarchy is you have a long-term incentive for the leader to care about the population.
[00:18:29]  And that works a lot better than something like the Soviet Union.
[00:18:33]  Well, I want to ask you, I wanted to ask you specifically about what you mentioned what's going on today.
[00:18:38]  You compared that to, say, the British or the French.
[00:18:41]  So my question is more so, what would be bad about the United States becoming a military dictatorship?
[00:18:49]  The military would be you could have a situation where the military is corrupt.
[00:18:55]  It shuts down capitalism.
[00:18:57]  It shuts down freedom.
[00:18:59]  It shuts down the functioning of a society.
[00:19:03]  And the good things we take for granted die.
[00:19:06]  And those things are fundamentally dependent on freedom.
[00:19:09]  What if a military dictatorship emerged in the United States that was based entirely upon traditional American conservatism?
[00:19:18]  And the military by force said, we're not going to allow leftism anymore.
[00:19:24]  We're not going to allow the courts to supersede the will of the people.
[00:19:27]  And they just, through military rigidity, enforced the right cultural worldview.
[00:19:33]  That's why I said there's a huge overturn window for authoritarianism, because you're trusting the leader a lot.
[00:19:39]  If you look to Emperor Augustus, who was the first Roman dictator, he was one of the greatest statesmen in history.
[00:19:45]  So when Rome did the transition from democracy to monarchy, they had one of the best rulers ever.
[00:19:51]  And things governed very well until Tiberius and Caligula showed up.
[00:19:56]  And then it got a lot worse.
[00:19:58]  And with monarchies or authoritarianism, you're trusting the – and the reason that a lot of the older authors preferred monarchies to military dictatorships is that the monarch has an incentive to pass things on to their children.
[00:20:14]  So the monarch has a multi-generational incentive.
[00:20:17]  So they're less likely to hurt things like freedom or the free market.
[00:20:21]  Because I put rule of law above democracy.
[00:20:24]  Because if you're a society with rule of law, it means you have functional freedom.
[00:20:29]  It means you have you can have capitalism.
[00:20:32]  Because keep in mind.
[00:20:34]  But let me ask you, how would you feel if there was a military dictatorship that enforced the things you wanted to exist?
[00:20:44]  Everyone wants the things they forced.
[00:20:45]  Everyone wants the things that they believe to be enforced.
[00:20:49]  So would you be happy if Donald Trump became a supreme dictator and used the military to enforce laws, but it was everything you wanted in society?
[00:20:57]  I would not be happy with that.
[00:20:59]  What I will say is that the reason you could not have Timcast in any other Western country, because they've had left-wing authoritarianism remove the rule of law and personal freedoms, where once you start pulling that away, you very quickly end up in a society where you lose a lot.
[00:21:25]  And it's one of those things where I put property rights and rule of law above everything else in my framework.

=== Clash of Polarized Worldviews (14:57) ===

[00:21:33]  But so I guess my ultimate point is when you look at the history of the United States, there are varying degrees of cultural enforcement across the board.
[00:21:42]  Obviously not military dictatorship, but until you get to Abraham Lincoln, I suppose, when things got pretty serious with the Civil War.
[00:21:47]  But blasphemy, for instance, was illegal up until like the early 1800s.
[00:21:52]  My view largely is that if everybody in this country was morally homogenous, they'd be completely happy.
[00:22:01]  Let's say everybody in this country, 100% of people were Christian theocrats.
[00:22:06]  They'd have no problem with a member of Congress proposing a commandment law.
[00:22:10]  But Christian theocracies fell at the hands oftentimes of Christianity because the idea that people will stay like wholly unified in the perfect way insofar as that people will be happy just doesn't happen, right?
[00:22:24]  Like the United States today used to be morally homogenous to a great degree, and then it started fracturing.
[00:22:30]  I would argue that since the Civil War, like the bifurcation actually started around the time the country was formed because Thomas Jefferson wanted to actually complain about slavery in the Declaration of Independence, but they were concerned that South Carolina and Georgia would not join the effort if they included that grievance.
[00:22:47]  And so there was a general bit of, let's call it acrimony, but it started to bubble up in the 1820s when there was a perception in the 1820s that a civil war could actually happen in the United States, though it didn't.
[00:22:57]  And then it did happen in 1861.
[00:23:01]  Since then, you've had this clash between two polarized worldviews in this country.
[00:23:07]  My point ultimately is if you have a group of people that believe the exact same thing, the things they argue about are the minutia.
[00:23:16]  You know, in the 90s.
[00:23:17]  People kill over the minutia, though, right?
[00:23:19]  Sure.
[00:23:20]  And it can spin wild out of control.
[00:23:23]  But in the 90s, Democrats and Republicans lived together, got married, and their arguments were over how much in taxes versus how long a woman should be allowed to have an abortion.
[00:23:35]  And it was like the Republicans were like, I think 16 weeks is too long.
[00:23:38]  And Democrats are like, it's got to be 18 weeks.
[00:23:40]  That was just the political window.
[00:23:41]  That was the political overtime window, though.
[00:23:43]  I guess what I'm saying is that when you look at the moral worldview of Democrats and Republicans, the majority of the country, in like 1994, they overwhelmingly overlapped.
[00:23:53]  And so they were pretty okay with like, I mean, like, certainly we had protests for the Iraq and Afghanistan war, but still people generally were like, well, you know, 9-11, right?
[00:24:05]  They rallied around George W. Bush even after 2000.
[00:24:08]  Ultimately, my point is this, just to simplify.
[00:24:12]  No one would care about a military dictatorship that was enforcing exactly what their worldview was.
[00:24:18]  Only the dissenters would.
[00:24:20]  But fools only don't care about that.
[00:24:23]  Everyone is a fool.
[00:24:24]  No, I don't think everyone's a fool.
[00:24:26]  I think like the one of the things that I love about like America and like the American tradition, like Greek philosophy is that we're built on a tradition of people thinking beyond just their own skin and preferences.
[00:24:36]  This is why you're probably familiar with Rawls and like the veil of ignorance, right?
[00:24:40]  So it's great.
[00:24:41]  It's this great kind of political philosophy where it says, you should imagine a world where you can't know what body, gender, et cetera, you'll be born into.
[00:24:50]  This literally society views.
[00:24:51]  This literally sounds like an argument against universal enfranchisement because the average person doesn't conceive of the world like that.
[00:25:00]  And as much as you're like, this is what it ought to be, and I agree, this is not the reality of the world that we live in.
[00:25:07]  So I agree that it's not the reality of the world we live in to some degree, but I think that like to a large degree.
[00:25:13]  Well, sure.
[00:25:13]  And I think that that's a sad thing.
[00:25:15]  I think the fact that we've like lost the connection to the things that matter beyond just our own skin, that we've failed to understand that principles matter fundamentally and deeply and to hold to these principles, to understand why we said everyone has to be equal before the law, even if I hate that guy and why that matters is a failing of our society.
[00:25:36]  And it doesn't matter what side of ourselves is.
[00:25:39]  Don't we have to deal with the world as it is?
[00:25:40]  We have to meet the population and meet the world where it is.
[00:25:43]  We can't be like, well, you know, it should be this and it should be that.
[00:25:47]  There's this saying in psychology where we say, if you meet people, if your expectations for people are exactly where they are, all they'll do is be exactly what they are.
[00:25:54]  Whereas if you look at people and you say, I know you can do better.
[00:25:57]  I know that we can collect and do and unify.
[00:26:00]  They might not get up here, but they're probably going to get here.
[00:26:03]  Let me ask you a question.
[00:26:04]  Let me ask you a question, right?
[00:26:05]  Like murder is wrong, obviously.
[00:26:08]  Generally, except for like self-defense, but that's not murder.
[00:26:11]  Self-defense isn't murder.
[00:26:12]  Murder is the intentional killing another person without warrant.
[00:26:15]  Okay.
[00:26:16]  And so if you walked up to a person and just shot them and they died, we'd find that to be murder.
[00:26:21]  And Rudyard, this is for you too.
[00:26:24]  Let's say that you live in a small village in the countryside and the year is 1300 or whatever.
[00:26:30]  And you're French.
[00:26:32]  So you're all like, you know, white, brown-haired, blue-eyed people or whatever.
[00:26:36]  Whatever they looked like in France.
[00:26:37]  And they're sitting there going, ha ha ha, and inventing croissants.
[00:26:40]  And then you get people who are clearly distinct from you, and they show up and you say, well, we don't just kill people.
[00:26:46]  We're a little apprehensive.
[00:26:47]  And then you meet and you talk and the guy pulls a knife and just stabs your village elder to death and then throws fire on your village and then flees.
[00:26:53]  Sounds like the Romans.
[00:26:54]  So then the next day, a similar person shows up.
[00:26:58]  Do you just say, no, we must stand by our principles.
[00:27:01]  We do not attack.
[00:27:02]  We do not, you know.
[00:27:05]  Or when a similar person shows up in the same garb, with the same physical appearance, carrying a torch, do you say, one more move and you die?
[00:27:13]  I would say that both of these philosophies were silly to begin with.
[00:27:15]  I don't think that the philosophy of generosity means naivete.
[00:27:20]  I didn't ask you, I asked you a specific scenario and tell me what you thought.
[00:27:23]  I'm telling you why the scenario already is flawed.
[00:27:25]  I think that the principle that they had initially probably was uninformed and uncomplex, and it does have to be.
[00:27:30]  They don't greet outsiders.
[00:27:31]  But it doesn't have to be updated to an extreme opposite side, which is often what people do.
[00:27:35]  They go from one side and then they swap to the other side.
[00:27:38]  The reality is that the truth is a lot more times in the middle of what is a of a proper dialectic of what's happening.
[00:27:44]  So let's just back to the question.
[00:27:46]  Your proposition then is the village should not allow anyone to peacefully greet them out of fear that there could be an act of violence against them.
[00:27:54]  No, of course not.
[00:27:55]  How would you take that away from what I just said?
[00:27:58]  You said the initial response they had was probably flawed.
[00:28:00]  Right, but I said, don't just do the opposite also, which is...
[00:28:04]  Because it might be a defector that wants to help you.
[00:28:06]  If a guy throws a torch at your village and burns on your house and kills one of your people and then flees, and then a person who looks just like him, wearing the same clothes, the same flag, whatever, shows up the next day, do you treat him the same or do you adapt your...
[00:28:17]  You should adapt, but...
[00:28:18]  But my caution to people is that when they think adapt, they want to go to the opposite extreme end.
[00:28:24]  When in reality, oftentimes wisdom falls between the middle of two dialogues.
[00:28:29]  True, true, true.
[00:28:29]  So just what do you do?
[00:28:32]  I would probably be cautious, probably have arms and weapons ready in case he whips out his torch to start stabbing and murdering and burning things, right?
[00:28:40]  But inquire him, ask why he's there, see what his intention is in the village, right?
[00:28:44]  You could even treat him cautiously, say he gives you all of the perfect answers that makes you go like, oh, he's actually a defector from that village and he's not in the future.
[00:28:50]  What if he throws a torch at your village and burns another building down and runs?
[00:28:53]  Well, hopefully you've got the guy's ready and he's far enough away that we're like, can you agree on me?
[00:28:57]  He does.
[00:28:57]  And then the next day, a similar looking guy in the same clothes shows up with a torch.
[00:29:01]  Do you shoot him with an arrow?
[00:29:03]  No.
[00:29:03]  You let him throw the torch again.
[00:29:05]  No, you do neither, right?
[00:29:06]  You do neither.
[00:29:07]  Well, yeah, like I said, black and white on this.
[00:29:10]  Like, the reality is that like wisdom.
[00:29:11]  Just giving you a simple scenario, like a scenario that has happened over and over again.
[00:29:15]  I agree.
[00:29:16]  And I'm saying the scenario of human nature is to go to black and white thinking immediately.
[00:29:20]  And what I'm saying to people is that black and white thinking is just as destructive.
[00:29:23]  What if that next guy showing up with the torch is just about to show up and like bring blacksmiths and like ironworks to your village and like revolutionize your technology?
[00:29:33]  I'm going to answer both of you.
[00:29:34]  I said that I liked freedom and property rights and I didn't say how that's enforced.
[00:29:40]  So in many cases, monarchies or authoritarian regimes provide more freedom and property rights than democracies.
[00:29:49]  And democracies supercharge the character of whatever people they're in.
[00:29:53]  So of the top 1% of societies, they are predominantly democracies.
[00:29:58]  Among the top 1%, they're predominantly democracies.
[00:30:02]  That includes Athens, Rome, Rome, America, the Netherlands.
[00:30:08]  And democracies can also supercharge negative characteristics.
[00:30:13]  They're not good because they're democracies.
[00:30:15]  They're good because they were good.
[00:30:16]  They were not.
[00:30:17]  Examples of democracies supercharging negative characteristics are the Latin sphere and the Middle East.
[00:30:23]  France was better under a monarchy than it was under a democracy.
[00:30:26]  So was Brazil.
[00:30:28]  So was Greece.
[00:30:30]  A bunch of lower trust societies.
[00:30:32]  Same thing in the Middle East, democracies have performed better.
[00:30:36]  In the Middle East, democracies vote in the preferences of the majority group.
[00:30:42]  So when America made Iraq a democracy, the majority Shia voted in to oppress the minority Sunni, and then they sided with America's rival Iran.
[00:30:52]  Yeah, but this it's not just sure, but the issue is like, this is why when we look at democracies, there are different systems that work better, right?
[00:30:58]  Like there are certain, like I'm sure you probably oppose like direct Iraq democracy, right?
[00:31:02]  Like the Greeks did, because it doesn't work very well.
[00:31:05]  It leads to a lot of tyranny, right?
[00:31:06]  There's the tyranny of majority to be feared in democracy.
[00:31:08]  It's also slower.
[00:31:09]  I'm going to write it down.
[00:31:10]  It is slower.
[00:31:10]  But democracies, the point of all these systems is to build counters to the major failings, right?
[00:31:17]  In the case of a democracy, you have to be afraid of the majority, the tyranny of majority.
[00:31:22]  And so you have to build into the system checks and balances to prevent against the tyranny of majority as much as possible.
[00:31:27]  You're appealing to wishy-washy concepts where if there's an external threat, you have to assess it for what it is based on context.
[00:31:35]  And you pick the highest quality person to do the assessing of context.
[00:31:39]  And the thing with John Rawls is it's not an accurate depiction of the human condition to randomly pick what individual you would be because that's not how this works.
[00:31:49]  Individuals have their own genetics, and groups have different genetics, and people are rewarded for the choices they make.
[00:31:56]  That's not a refutation of Rawls.
[00:31:58]  Rawls' hypothetical can engage without those.
[00:32:01]  Sure, but you're saying that Rawls doesn't work because there's no baked in genetics, but that's not the point of the hypothesis.
[00:32:06]  You have to let me finish the argument.
[00:32:08]  So Rawls operates under an underlying Christian assumption that there's indeterminate souls that you shove into a population.
[00:32:15]  That's not what happens.
[00:32:16]  A population is made up of individuals with different traits that make choices.
[00:32:21]  And so you can't say, if I were to randomly pick a certain population, what would I be?
[00:32:26]  Because there's nothing random.
[00:32:28]  An individual is the aggregation of all of the choices that went through them.
[00:32:33]  And so you can't say, I would, if I were to be born in a blank society, because the society is informed by the contextual decisions of everyone involved up to that point.
[00:32:43]  It strips context from the entire human condition.
[00:32:46]  So this is like saying trolley problems strip context because they live in gay.
[00:32:50]  But let's say instead of saying Rawls, just make the argument of, just articulate the argument.
[00:32:56]  Sure.
[00:32:56]  Yeah.
[00:32:57]  The veil of ignorance is this thought experiment in the way that trolley problems are thought experiments, which is designed to help you decide which principles you want in your society.
[00:33:05]  So if you imagine a society where you can't know who you will be in that society, what are some of the principles you hope are there?
[00:33:12]  Rule of law, right, and like fair treatment before justice would be one that we would all be for because I don't ever want to be in the minority group that just gets treated poorly by the justice system because I happen to be in that minority group.
[00:33:23]  So how would you define society?
[00:33:26]  The way that we, I don't know, the way that we usually do it, a collection of people with somewhat unified cultural values, probably bordered by a nation state that unifies together.
[00:33:33]  That's a great definition.
[00:33:34]  I would argue that by that definition, which I agree with, there are several distinct societies that exist within the United States.
[00:33:42]  And each and every one of these societies is willing to use violence and lawfare against those who would threaten their moral worldview.
[00:33:49]  What does this have to do with the veil of ignorance?
[00:33:51]  So you're saying in a society, like, who would you want to be?
[00:33:54]  What rules do you want?
[00:33:55]  And I would say, yes, that works wonderfully in a collection of individuals with a shared moral worldview and probably a national border.
[00:34:01]  But what happens when that society is up against another society overlapping on its territories with a completely different worldview?
[00:34:07]  Well, this is part of how you can engage in the veil of ignorance is going, well, I don't know who I am in this society, but how do I want that society theoretically to engage in foreign policy?
[00:34:14]  Well, one of them I would say is, I want my government to protect me as a citizen of whatever this nation state is, because I don't want other nation-states coming in, stomping me and killing me in the future.
[00:34:22]  This is more so like an example that I'll use that's probably the least egregious would be open-air fish markets in New York City.
[00:34:28]  I think they're absolutely disgusting, and they shouldn't be allowed.
[00:34:31]  Because they smell?
[00:34:32]  It's not just that, it's the rotting fish and flesh that slops off.
[00:34:36]  It's a state street.
[00:34:36]  And it just, yeah, it's all over the street.
[00:34:39]  And then it's just rotting for days.
[00:34:40]  And when you go to Lowry Side, it's just everywhere you go.
[00:34:42]  Go to Houston.
[00:34:44]  Right.
[00:34:44]  The people who live there, that's their society.
[00:34:46]  They are largely Chinese and Southeast Asian.
[00:34:49]  They don't care about open-air fish markets.
[00:34:51]  But the people of New York have started to move away because they don't like it.
[00:34:55]  And this has created an entrenched enclave.
[00:34:57]  Enclaves are bad, I believe, like having a group of people that form their own subdivision that have their own rules is going to create animosity and violence because you'll create two distinct moral worldviews at odds with each other.
[00:35:11]  Now, the reason I cite this example is because it's one of the least egregious, meaning the people of New York don't really care all that much about the open-air fish markets.
[00:35:18]  They just move away.
[00:35:19]  They stopped living in the area, more Chinese people moved in, and now the area is dominated by Chinese.
[00:35:24]  But you could take a look at this and bring it to its most egregious, and that is like Chicago crime and shooting violence.
[00:35:30]  Sure.
[00:35:31]  So you have areas where there may be a middle-class black family and gangbangers will come into that territory or just young black men who are violent for whatever reason they may be, and they will create crime.
[00:35:44]  This will cause the higher income people to flee and then just dramatically impoverish the area and create more crime and violence throughout the area.
[00:35:51]  So then the argument we would make is, what rules do we want?
[00:35:55]  Well, our principles would suggest that you are innocent until proven guilty and you should not be searched or have objects seized without something that warrants it.
[00:36:04]  Probable reasons.
[00:36:05]  And probable cause.
[00:36:06]  And so what happened in New York is they said, this neighborhood is where most of the shootings and violence happens.
[00:36:12]  So this is where we're going to stop and frisk people.
[00:36:14]  It also coincided with being a black neighborhood.
[00:36:17]  The progressives then said, why are the majority of stop and frisks black?
[00:36:21]  And the government, which these are Democrat-appointed police, said, that's just where the crime is.
[00:36:26]  Then they said, no more stop and frisk.
[00:36:28]  You need to stop because you're doing it to black people.

=== Neighborhood Frisking Controversy (14:50) ===

[00:36:30]  So you have two distinct moral worldviews.
[00:36:33]  You can't do this only to black people, but it's just the neighbor where the crime happens.
[00:36:38]  Your principles are meaningless in this regard because both groups are going to assert power over the other to make their world happen.
[00:36:44]  Well, this is where democracy can be beautiful or bad, right?
[00:36:47]  And so the thing you're posing, right, say you say, I don't want to have enclaves in a society.
[00:36:51]  And my counter to that would basically say, I think with the size of nation states, it's almost unavoidable.
[00:36:58]  Even just think about the way that geography shapes a culture, right?
[00:37:02]  If you've got a nation that's mountainous and full of pine trees, and it's also in a nation with beaches and fishing, and it's also in a nation with, you know, insert different geographies, right?
[00:37:13]  The people in the culture that are going to emerge from these, even just geographies alone, are probably going to have some of the different values.
[00:37:18]  They're going to have things where they want to prioritize fishing industry more, but it's possible that the lumber industry is like having issues and they want more advocacy.
[00:37:25]  And so they'll always have these competing interests.
[00:37:27]  And I think the beauty of a democracy that's functioning well is that it takes to things where actually there might be reasonable concern, right?
[00:37:36]  Let me ask you a question.
[00:37:37]  Can I finish my thought and then I'll let you ask a question?
[00:37:39]  This is a long, long time.
[00:37:40]  Hey, you went for five minutes.
[00:37:41]  I'll just go for two minutes, okay?
[00:37:43]  You've been doing this to be reflective.
[00:37:45]  If you can proceed, I'll make the point.
[00:37:46]  Okay.
[00:37:47]  The beauty of a dialectic of a democracy is you can take two opposing values.
[00:37:50]  And what the idea is, is to find a compromise within both where ideally you find the best way to get the right thing.
[00:37:55]  So here's why I'm interrupting.
[00:37:57]  Yeah.
[00:37:58]  I feel like that is rudimentary and we understand that completely.
[00:38:01]  It's not the point that I'm making.
[00:38:02]  So I'll give you a better example.
[00:38:04]  Dearborn, Michigan has several instances of female genital mutilation among young girls.
[00:38:08]  That is explicitly illegal in the United States.
[00:38:10]  But in that community, it happens because there's no law enforcement that will stop it.
[00:38:13]  You are not going to get a white cop to go into a Muslim community and say, stop doing this, because they'll say it's our community.
[00:38:19]  In fact, they even have their own de facto versions of police.
[00:38:21]  And they likely won't report it either.
[00:38:22]  That's probably pretty interesting.
[00:38:24]  So what is the solution then?
[00:38:25]  Should the overarching government dispatch some white people who are non-Muslims to take over their government, to force them at gunpoint to stop?
[00:38:34]  Yeah, I mean, this is the great federalist question as to what extent should...
[00:38:37]  Now, that's a violation of the principles of the locals who voted that in.
[00:38:40]  It's true, but it might be for superseding cultural values that we value more.
[00:38:44]  This is the constant tension that happens with the federalism, like, you know, amendment number 10.
[00:38:48]  Go ahead, sorry.
[00:38:49]  I'm going to say a few things.
[00:38:50]  First of all is, thank you.
[00:38:54]  You're not stating Rawls' full argument, where if you, for the argument that Rawls gave, you could also apply that to Aristotle, because Aristotle was saying, what is the abstract concept of good that we can use?
[00:39:05]  And Aristotle said there's three different political systems which are useful under different contexts that have their own issues.
[00:39:12]  Rawls is also operating under the principle of equality, which is demonstratively false.
[00:39:17]  Equality has been continually disproven by the science, as well as there are genetic differences between populations.
[00:39:24]  That's disproven among all of the academic community.
[00:39:28]  And so when you're looking at the Rawls, he's automatically jumping to socialism is good because equality is good.
[00:39:35]  And this is all operating under the assumption that Enlightenment morality is correct.
[00:39:40]  Rawls is incredibly critical of socialism.
[00:39:42]  He rejected a Galatianism.
[00:39:44]  So it depends on your definition of socialism, because the socialists play a game where there's multiple definitions of socialism used at any given time.
[00:39:52]  So you can pick one or the other based on context.
[00:39:54]  Rawls was responding to the Marxists.
[00:39:56]  Rawls is a democratic socialist, which is still a meaning of the word socialist.
[00:40:00]  I want to move on to the next big story, but I do want to just conclude by saying I completely agree with Kyla.
[00:40:05]  I think we should exert force over Muslims who refuse to adhere to our traditional values.
[00:40:09]  That's not my position.
[00:40:09]  I don't think that's all.
[00:40:10]  But I would love to flesh it out with you.
[00:40:11]  But sort of my position.
[00:40:12]  It's like 50% of my position.
[00:40:14]  Well, I think that, again, we're going to go on to that.
[00:40:17]  I want to clarify their argument before we move on.
[00:40:19]  The point is, when there are people who enter our society who have a religious practice that is an affront to our moral worldview, we will exert force against them to make them stop.
[00:40:30]  Yes, to an extent.
[00:40:32]  Well, of course to an extent.
[00:40:33]  Not to an extent.
[00:40:34]  No, but not to an extent.
[00:40:36]  Like, we will use force up to whatever means or whatever amount of force necessary to get them to stop.
[00:40:41]  So it's not to an extent.
[00:40:42]  It's literally a statement.
[00:40:43]  No, no, no, no.
[00:40:44]  She's saying we'll tolerate some of their religious movements.
[00:40:46]  Like I want religious freedom as well, right?
[00:40:48]  And so this is like the constant.
[00:40:49]  This is why I'm saying there's this tension all the time between like individual rights of freedom of religion, but also state values of things like we don't need any children.
[00:40:57]  Sorry to interrupt, but we really do have to learn.
[00:40:59]  I got to stress and continue.
[00:41:01]  I got to stress one more thing.
[00:41:03]  This argument still only works so long as you maintain the monopoly on violence.
[00:41:08]  Like the state.
[00:41:09]  Yeah.
[00:41:10]  You, you are, not the state.
[00:41:13]  If you as a society with a moral worldview have the monopoly on violence, you can stop, say, female general mutilation.
[00:41:20]  But if there is a new cultural worldview that has emerged, a new moral worldview, let's call it leftist, that tolerates and supports what Muslims are doing, they will take from you your monopoly on violence, and then you get a civil war.
[00:41:33]  So a lot of leftists get into this weird tension with Islam because they're very pro-final.
[00:41:38]  I don't want to have an argument about leftism in Islam.
[00:41:39]  My point was if there is if you have a monopoly on violence, you can assert your authority.
[00:41:44]  If there are two distinct factions with equal use of force, you get civil war.
[00:41:48]  I agree with that.
[00:41:49]  The issue is, I guess I'm just correcting the leftist idea that they just want FGM.
[00:41:53]  They don't just want FGM.
[00:41:54]  In fact, they acknowledge this tension you're outlining exists regardless of the party side that you're pointing to.
[00:42:00]  My ultimate point as we move on, again, sorry, is that your principles only apply to the people who agree with you.
[00:42:08]  And that is universal to all moral groups.
[00:42:11]  End of story.
[00:42:13]  Sure.
[00:42:14]  Yeah, I live in a society.
[00:42:16]  True.
[00:42:17]  Yes, like you might believe in the right to keep in bear arms, but you're not going to give an Islamic terrorist a gun and be like, you have a right to bear arms.
[00:42:22]  Sure, it's why I like the liberal principles where we said, well, we should have a couple of basic rules that we all apply to because other things we shouldn't impose on the right.
[00:42:28]  So when you have two distinct moral worldviews operating in one country, and I would say more than that, you are not going to abide them the same rights as you would someone of your society.
[00:42:37]  Sure, because I would say free speech is better than compelled or controlled speech.
[00:42:40]  Yeah.
[00:42:40]  Like I would say, if someone is an advocate for the destruction of my country, I will not defend their right to speak.
[00:42:47]  I will not defend their right to keep and bear arms either.
[00:42:49]  If a man comes this country screaming Aluhu Akbar and starts throwing bricks at cops, I'm not going to say he has a right to keep in bear arms.
[00:42:55]  I'm going to say no.
[00:42:56]  Nobody thinks that he has a right for assault, right?
[00:42:57]  That's already borrowed out.
[00:42:59]  The point I'm taking is if someone expresses clear ideological sympathies for ISIS, we will not give them a gun.
[00:43:07]  possibly with isis i think that's the case in america but i think that there's like good good statutory reason if you're like a terrorist sympathizer or whatever but like in general like right my point is but we don't want to say people who we just disagree with can't have rights you are Domestic terrorism doesn't exist in the United States because of the First Amendment.
[00:43:21]  So that's why Trump, his declaration, was actually just a statement he made and not anything extra informal.
[00:43:27]  He would have to do an international declaration.
[00:43:29]  This means, and I'll say it again: if someone is antifa and says this country should burn, I will not defend their right to keep and bear arms.
[00:43:37]  These are people who have expressed a violent intent, and we have seen in the past them use a violent intent.
[00:43:42]  And that's a more egregious example.
[00:43:44]  Let's jump to the next story.
[00:43:45]  Otherwise, we'll keep talking.
[00:43:46]  This is from the Washington Post.
[00:43:47]  The Pentagon seeks more than $200 billion in budget requests for Iran war.
[00:43:53]  Some what as officials do not think the Defense Department's request is a realistic shot of being approved in Congress, one senior administration official says.
[00:44:00]  Additionally, we've got more updates as more Marines are being deployed to the Middle East.
[00:44:06]  And of course, Donald Trump has said Israel was angry and bombed the South Pars gas field in Iran.
[00:44:13]  Gas, oil, crude oil, is now up to $119 per barrel, and gas is expected to go up.
[00:44:20]  I've seen reports, correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't read too much into this, that China is now cutting off fertilizer exports.
[00:44:26]  China.
[00:44:27]  China.
[00:44:28]  And guys, I know the Republicans are going to say, stick with the plan, but as of right now, I don't want to be pessimistic.
[00:44:36]  Let's just say, holy crap, this is bad.
[00:44:38]  How about what plan?
[00:44:39]  I've heard Phil loves China, actually, so I'd love to.
[00:44:42]  Phil's avid communist communicator about China.
[00:44:46]  China is an adversary.
[00:44:48]  I will say that $200 billion, the request for $200 billion, if I understand correctly, is to replace the stocks that they've already used.
[00:44:55]  So it's not technically to continue funding the war.
[00:44:59]  Not that it's not a slush fund anyways, essentially at the Pentagon, but it is to replace the stuff they've already used because you don't want to have your stockpiles of weapons.
[00:45:08]  Agreed, agreed.
[00:45:09]  The point is, the point is we spend several hundred billion on Israel for the past 50, 60 years.
[00:45:17]  We spent $250 billion on Ukraine in the past four years, and now they want another $200 billion.
[00:45:22]  I understand we spent, like, what's the budget per year, like $7 trillion?
[00:45:27]  I don't know.
[00:45:28]  I have no idea.
[00:45:29]  It's some psychotic number like this.
[00:45:30]  My point is, we are looking at, they're discussing removing sanctions on Iranian oil at sea because they, is it $7 trillion?
[00:45:40]  It's $8.38 billion.
[00:45:41]  So this would up it to $1 trillion.
[00:45:43]  $1 trillion, you mean?
[00:45:44]  Billion.
[00:45:46]  $838.7 billion.
[00:45:49]  Really?
[00:45:50]  Yeah.
[00:45:50]  The second budget request.
[00:45:52]  So this ups it to $1 trillion if they get it.
[00:45:54]  It aims to cover sustained military operations, replenish depleted munitions, and accelerate weapons production in mid-intense strikes over the past three weeks.
[00:46:02]  Look, look, look, I get it.
[00:46:03]  I don't like the Ayatollah.
[00:46:05]  I don't like his son.
[00:46:06]  I don't like their government.
[00:46:07]  I don't like them constantly being a thorn in the side of all the countries in the region that are trying to just sell oil.
[00:46:12]  I am not a Greta Thunberg.
[00:46:14]  Bring the oil on, baby, drill, baby, drill.
[00:46:15]  Let's have some capitalism.
[00:46:17]  Greta Thunberg doesn't even care anymore.
[00:46:19]  She's demanding oil get sent to Cuba.
[00:46:22]  She didn't care about climate change.
[00:46:23]  She's just a bad thing.
[00:46:24]  My point is, the Iranian government sucks miserably.
[00:46:27]  But as we already discussed, Eric Prince, he was quoted as saying, the problem with Iran is to roll the dice.
[00:46:33]  You don't know if you can succeed.
[00:46:34]  This is not, I'll quote Charlie Kirk in June, I think it was June 17th.
[00:46:39]  He said, this is a developed nation of 90 plus million people that you cannot just easily go in and topple.
[00:46:45]  You cannot just ideologically change like some smaller countries.
[00:46:48]  This is a serious war.
[00:46:50]  Now, again, I think it's fair to point out, after Trump launched those strikes on the bunkers, a day after Charlie Kirk did say, I stand with my president and I want him to win, and I can respect that.
[00:47:01]  I feel the same way.
[00:47:02]  I want to win.
[00:47:04]  I do think it's ill-advised, but I think we have to just be realistic, and I'm saying optimistic, but let's at least recognize a $200 billion budget request, oil at $120.
[00:47:18]  This is not good news.
[00:47:20]  This is not good news for anybody.
[00:47:22]  I would implore the Republicans to pay attention to this because if you ignore it or poo-poo it, you're going to lose the midterms worse than you may already do.
[00:47:27]  Dude, I'm at a real crossroads in my own soul about this because we're all in.
[00:47:34]  We put our, as Alex Jones said, we put our dick in the light socket.
[00:47:37]  So here we are electrocuting.
[00:47:39]  And we're all the way in, baby.
[00:47:41]  There's no going back.
[00:47:42]  I don't know.
[00:47:42]  I mean, obviously we could leave, but then they'll attack us for 20 years.
[00:47:45]  Like, what do we do?
[00:47:46]  Destroy?
[00:47:46]  Do we level this country to the ground, kill 100 million people?
[00:47:49]  However many millions of people got to go.
[00:47:51]  There's nothing.
[00:47:52]  Set up a new government?
[00:47:53]  Or do we, or do we, do we yell to stop the war?
[00:47:57]  Because I feel like I'm on board with this motion of American hegemony, free speech, property rights all over the planet.
[00:48:03]  If we stop this thing, I think the whole system will crumble.
[00:48:09]  But I don't want to kill a million Iranians.
[00:48:12]  I do want the country to be called Persia, though, so it's less confusing about Iran-Iraq.
[00:48:16]  So it's been Iran for a long, long time.
[00:48:19]  I know that it was Persia.
[00:48:20]  It's the Persian, it was Persian Persian Empire and stuff, but it's actually been called Iran for a long, long time.
[00:48:29]  The term Aryan comes from the word Iran because they were like with the Caucasus, I guess the region is similar.
[00:48:36]  But I don't have so much of a problem with the request for the money because of the fact that it is to restock the depleted munitions, right?
[00:48:47]  So you can have your problems with the war.
[00:48:50]  You can have your concerns.
[00:48:52]  You can address all of the real, actual, tangible problems that this is causing.
[00:48:59]  But to say that the returning to whatever baseline level our munitions are or should be, I think that that's something that we should do because the idea of allowing the United States to not have the overwhelming military power that we do have, allowing that to be degraded, is far more of a problem for the U.S. than to say, oh, we're not going to spend $200 billion.
[00:49:23]  How do you guys feel about Trump in general, like promising peace, promising no wars, promising to end wars, and dragging you guys into Iran?
[00:49:31]  Does that bother you?
[00:49:32]  Were you for Trump's promise of peace?
[00:49:35]  Like, how do you scratch it?
[00:49:37]  I view Trump on foreign policy as generally better than every other president in my lifetime.
[00:49:43]  And despite him being so hawkish?
[00:49:46]  He's been hawkish on Iran the whole time.
[00:49:47]  Well, he's hawkish everywhere, right?
[00:49:51]  He pretends deterrence is like dovish policy, right?
[00:49:53]  Like he'll let it go.
[00:49:54]  Yeah, I actually respect the hawkishness.
[00:49:57]  It's a question of are you going to actually go in?
[00:49:59]  I think my view of getting involved in Iran was skepticism, but hope.
[00:50:04]  Venezuela was the same thing, and I think Venezuela played out very well.
[00:50:08]  Wow, for who?
[00:50:10]  For us.
[00:50:10]  Not for the Venezuelans.
[00:50:12]  Actually, Venezuela seized our oil assets.
[00:50:15]  We had a treaty with them, okay?
[00:50:17]  We shook hands with Venezuela and said, we're going to build oil.
[00:50:19]  And they said, you got it, brother.
[00:50:20]  And we were all sharing in money, and they were the wealthiest country in South America.
[00:50:23]  Then they elected a Democratic socialist who came in and stole our oil assets.
[00:50:27]  And our country did nothing about that.
[00:50:29]  So I, again, say the Venezuela operation, skepticism.
[00:50:32]  But then when Trump goes in, takes out Maduro and just brings him to New York, which will be weird if he's found not guilty.
[00:50:37]  I don't know how that'll play out.
[00:50:38]  But then we get our oil assets back.
[00:50:40]  I'm like, well, that's what I call justice.
[00:50:43]  Now, as for Iran, this is a bigger question over the Strait of Four Moves.
[00:50:47]  Didn't they steal their own national, didn't they nationalize Venezuelan companies?
[00:50:51]  These were American multi-billion dollar investments to build oil infrastructure in Venezuela.
[00:50:56]  And we had treaties with them to do it.
[00:50:58]  And there's an estimated billion dollars and that it's stolen.
[00:51:01]  Sure, but how do you do that?
[00:51:02]  You do not get too hold on.
[00:51:03]  This is property.
[00:51:04]  This is private American dollars, right?
[00:51:06]  Does the American government owe private companies military protection if a government that they went into trade with buys out the company that they wanted to do?
[00:51:16]  Especially when they're giving the oil to our enemies.
[00:51:18]  If Walmart has to do it.
[00:51:18]  I don't care if it's true or not.
[00:51:20]  It's an opinion on the country.

=== Private Property vs State Power (15:38) ===

[00:51:21]  No, no, no.
[00:51:21]  About the principle here, like let's take it out of Venezuela.
[00:51:23]  If say Walmart has a close relationship with China, there's a Chinese private company that they're working with, and as a result of the Communist Party, China goes, We're actually taking all these assets and they take like $10 billion worth of Walmart principles.
[00:51:37]  Should America go in there and take private company assets?
[00:51:40]  We should spend taxpayer dollars to take private company assets.
[00:51:43]  Yes, I also think that so.
[00:51:45]  So, first and foremost, the question about China would actually be a question of can we be militarily successful in doing so?
[00:51:52]  In terms of what Venezuela stole, we had a treaty with them, which was at the governmental level, which we do have a treaty with China on trade.
[00:52:00]  So, if they're violent and it's not just private assets that are being violated, Venezuela stole $10 billion plus dollars in assets.
[00:52:06]  We did nothing about it.
[00:52:08]  All we did this time was discombobulate, take their leader out, and take back our oil industry from them, which we agreed to build with them.
[00:52:17]  They broke the rules, they stabbed us in the back.
[00:52:19]  Question: I got is when the Chinese buy a bunch of farmland in the United States and then the Americans are like, actually, this is our land and they seize it from these private Chinese companies that did everything legally, are we in the right?
[00:52:31]  And I would say yes, because it's American sovereign.
[00:52:34]  So, are Venezuelans in the right taking their sovereign territory back?
[00:52:37]  It's different because it's Venezuela.
[00:52:38]  That's the problem: you justify, I mean, it's a justification of Monkeytail.
[00:52:41]  You got to do the strongest, hardest, brutalist winning tactic to surveillance.
[00:52:47]  The first thing I would say is you are absolutely correct, and that I will always be biased for my society and my way of life, and what I think is right.
[00:52:54]  And I think that if I enter an agreement with another country to build oil assets and they share in those profits, and then they take them from me, that is a violation of our moral agreement.
[00:53:03]  Then, if you start privately buying up under my nose through our legal system, farmland near our military bases for which you can surveil them, I'm going to tell you to knock it the F off.
[00:53:12]  Yeah, I'm going to take that land back.
[00:53:16]  The product that they're actually talking about matters too, right?
[00:53:20]  Like, oil is definitely a geopolitical tool, right?
[00:53:25]  Like, it's literally civilization juice.
[00:53:28]  So, we're going to take a look at the Chinese health justification.
[00:53:32]  We've already addressed it.
[00:53:35]  The farmland they're buying is near our military bases for which they're surveilling our military.
[00:53:39]  Yeah, I agree, but they're going to be different.
[00:53:40]  Let's say that's not what they're doing.
[00:53:41]  Well, let's say in the hypotheticals, hold on.
[00:53:44]  In the hypothetical, it's more analogous to this situation where that's not, because I'm assuming you're not saying that America was actually making it military assets secretly.
[00:53:52]  And I think it was actually private companies, oil drillings.
[00:53:54]  Let's say it's private Chinese companies, as private as they can be, that own and buy farmland and are growing soybeans in Canadian, in Canadian and American land.
[00:54:03]  Venezuela is one of the least defensible regimes you can pick because the Venezuelan government alienated even their own people, where Maduro needed to use Cuban mercenaries in order to establish his power, where Maduro was a democratically elected politician who installed himself as dictator.
[00:54:19]  He was profoundly unpopular, so he used Cuban mercenaries to install himself in power.
[00:54:24]  So, nobody's defending Venezuela here.
[00:54:27]  Nobody likes Venezuela.
[00:54:28]  I didn't defend Venezuela.
[00:54:29]  I'm going to say it for the third time.
[00:54:31]  If I have an agreement to produce oil in your country and we share in the profits and you have a problem with that, negotiate the treaty, sever it or otherwise.
[00:54:40]  Which they did not pay out of the money.
[00:54:42]  Let me finish.
[00:54:43]  Let me finish.
[00:54:44]  Don't steal it.
[00:54:45]  If you are buying land in our country that is a threat to our national security, you're a threat to our national security as per our assessment.
[00:54:52]  So the issue.
[00:54:52]  There is a moral distinction between these two things.
[00:54:55]  I will still add on top of that.
[00:54:58]  We are the United States, and we are always going to operate at our behest and not for the benefit of anybody else.
[00:55:04]  So if that means we in good faith negotiate a contract with Venezuela to build oil and they steal it, we take it back.
[00:55:10]  And that means if China buys land in our country and we deem it so, we will seize it from them.
[00:55:16]  We do because we are America working for our interests.
[00:55:20]  But then the principle that you're not mad about isn't that they're stealing from us.
[00:55:23]  It's just that it's America.
[00:55:25]  It's just that's all the principle is.
[00:55:26]  And what I'm saying is, that's probably not good foreign policy.
[00:55:29]  For example, in the Venezuela thing, as quickly as I'm looking, Chevron took a billion-dollar payout because they agreed to dip.
[00:55:35]  And they stayed actually as minority partners with Venezuela for a long time.
[00:55:38]  The issue is that the two other oil barons didn't want to take the deal.
[00:55:41]  And then in that case, it got seized.
[00:55:43]  And then they went through courts to try to get their assets back, which they were not successful back now.
[00:55:48]  And now the taxpayer is paying so that mobile can have their assets back.
[00:55:55]  Yes.
[00:55:55]  The American taxpayer.
[00:55:58]  I'm not sure I'm forced to go.
[00:55:59]  What is the purpose of taxpayers?
[00:56:01]  What is the point of the public coffers if not to defend the public from foreign adversaries?
[00:56:06]  I would say in this case, it would be: okay, what's in the good of the public?
[00:56:10]  Making sure we have oil in the US.
[00:56:11]  Let me ask you a simpler question.
[00:56:12]  Hold on.
[00:56:13]  A guy is on his dinghy fishing off the coast of Florida when pirates show up.
[00:56:17]  Why should the private taxpayer have the Coast Guard go and save him from some other country's pirates?
[00:56:21]  These are literally the foreign arguments.
[00:56:25]  What does that have to do with what I'm talking about?
[00:56:26]  Well, you're comparing a company to an individual on his boat.
[00:56:29]  What does that have to do with the moral?
[00:56:31]  Individual having their lives and safety threatened by pirates is not the same thing as mobile.
[00:56:37]  They want to steal his boat to the Coast Guard stop.
[00:56:38]  It's his individual property, right?
[00:56:40]  In this case, the Coast Guard stopped.
[00:56:41]  It's a company's property.
[00:56:42]  Just call it an Exxon tanker.
[00:56:44]  Yeah, there's an Exxon tanker and a bunch of pirates raid it.
[00:56:46]  Should the Coast Guard stop the pirates?
[00:56:47]  Probably the pirates, yeah.
[00:56:48]  What's the difference?
[00:56:49]  The difference is that we're negotiating.
[00:56:51]  For Venezuelan pirates.
[00:56:52]  It's a nation state that we have to negotiate with, and we can't just go to war with everyone else.
[00:56:56]  So we let Venezuela seize our tankers.
[00:56:58]  I think we, well, when they happened, we had massive sanctions.
[00:57:02]  I believe large NATO sanctions were put against Venezuela.
[00:57:04]  Nobody, as you've said, nobody likes Venezuela.
[00:57:07]  I don't like Venezuela.
[00:57:08]  Let's go back to the original question about.
[00:57:10]  You're arguing against America's interests, which should be the opposite of the American government.
[00:57:14]  You're not using rational consistency.
[00:57:16]  You're arguing against the interests of American power in each individual context.
[00:57:21]  I'm not actually, because theoretically, if the American government's for American success, the thing at question here isn't mobile.
[00:57:29]  We don't owe mobile anything as a company.
[00:57:31]  We owe Americans.
[00:57:32]  Does mobile pay taxes?
[00:57:33]  No, but they do pay taxes, but we could negotiate a new trade deal with the buy of oil from somebody else.
[00:57:40]  They pay taxes, partly for the local government.
[00:57:41]  Instead of spending money to go blow up Venezuela, we could have negotiated contracts with other oil suppliers to get to the banks of the United States.
[00:57:46]  These companies pay taxes, which includes money for public defense for which they are entitled.
[00:57:51]  To some extent.
[00:57:52]  And I will add on top of this that Venezuela seized our oil assets to distribute oil to our adversaries.
[00:57:58]  Yep, that did happen as well, which is why we engage in sanctions.
[00:58:01]  But the idea is that this is the issue.
[00:58:03]  In foreign policy, when people fuck you over, you don't just immediately go to mice.
[00:58:07]  We didn't.
[00:58:08]  It was 20 years ago.
[00:58:09]  Why?
[00:58:10]  It was 2009.
[00:58:12]  War is expensive, bad for the economy, and a lot of people are not.
[00:58:15]  This was 17 years ago.
[00:58:18]  And they tried the legal method, and none of it worked.
[00:58:20]  And Trump said, okay, get our oil back.
[00:58:22]  Sure.
[00:58:22]  17 years later, it's not a short amount of time.
[00:58:24]  Yeah, and one of the issues is we didn't really get our oil back.
[00:58:26]  Most of the tankers that we seized from them, we've sold off to Saudi Arabia, which only apparently the Trump admin can actually have access to the $500 million.
[00:58:33]  So the American taxpayers didn't even make back the money that we spent to bail out.
[00:58:37]  We also cut off Cuba.
[00:58:38]  But I want to go back to the original question so we can round this one out and jump to the next stories that we have.
[00:58:43]  And it was a question about how do we feel about Donald Trump.
[00:58:47]  And I will say I'm a big fan of the Abraham Accords.
[00:58:50]  When Donald Trump crossed the DMZ with Kim Jong-un, I was welling up.
[00:58:54]  I was nearly in tears.
[00:58:55]  I mean, that was an incredible moment for the Koreas.
[00:58:59]  And Donald Trump crossed into the DMZ without security.
[00:59:03]  They could have killed him.
[00:59:03]  They could have captured them.
[00:59:04]  They could have done a lot of things.
[00:59:06]  And you can say it was free.
[00:59:07]  You can say it was foreign.
[00:59:08]  But it was a tremendous step towards peace.
[00:59:10]  And I'd like to see more of that.
[00:59:11]  So I tremendously respect it.
[00:59:12]  Donald Trump's at the timeline for getting out of Afghanistan.
[00:59:14]  None of this, of course, is perfect.
[00:59:16]  But Donald Trump has been infinitely better on foreign policy than any president of my lifetime.
[00:59:20]  The Afghanistan pull-up was horrific.
[00:59:22]  That was Joe Biden.
[00:59:23]  It was not.
[00:59:24]  You just said that the pull-up policy was decided.
[00:59:26]  The deadline was set up.
[00:59:28]  It was not just Biden.
[00:59:29]  The problem is that when things happen over multiple presidencies, it's typically both a nationalist.
[00:59:33]  No, it was Joe Biden.
[00:59:35]  It was not just Joe Biden.
[00:59:36]  Trump had established a timeline to pull out, and Joe Biden went ahead and said, we're not going to do that.
[00:59:41]  I'm going to just do it now.
[00:59:42]  He changed the timeline in 9-11 to make a scene.
[00:59:45]  And they surrender.
[00:59:45]  And then they abandoned Bagram Air Force.
[00:59:47]  Not only did they surrendered military equipment.
[00:59:50]  I'm not a fan of the way that we pulled out of Afghanistan at all.
[00:59:53]  What I'm actually pointing to is a partisan blame of just one president.
[00:59:57]  For example, when we look at economies, we always agree with the people who are in the world.
[01:00:01]  Trump began the pull-out of it, which we all want to do.
[01:00:06]  Not the way we did.
[01:00:07]  No, Not the way Biden did.
[01:00:09]  Let's go back in time.
[01:00:10]  Do you support at the time when Trump said we're going to get out of Afghanistan?
[01:00:14]  Is that a good thing?
[01:00:15]  I'm not sure.
[01:00:16]  You think we should have stayed in Afghanistan?
[01:00:18]  Possibly, yeah.
[01:00:19]  Okay, I don't know.
[01:00:19]  I think that's morally abhorrent and psychotic.
[01:00:21]  Why?
[01:00:22]  But you want to take Venezuela.
[01:00:23]  20 years of nation building.
[01:00:24]  Trying to turn over Afghanistan into South Korea.
[01:00:26]  How is it possible that overthrowing a nation state sovereignty is cool and base, but trying to establish democracy within a country, which I agree wasn't done very well in Afghanistan, is somehow morally abhorrent?
[01:00:36]  That first one seems to be something you've made up.
[01:00:38]  Venezuela, you're for Venezuela, which is an invasion of a nation.
[01:00:41]  We're taking back our assets that were taken from us.
[01:00:44]  And taking their elected official.
[01:00:48]  I don't care that we don't like him.
[01:00:50]  You're for it.
[01:00:50]  How is this criminal trial?
[01:00:51]  How is this not morally questionable?
[01:00:53]  But in case of Afghanistan, let me explain it as simply and monosyllabically as possible.
[01:00:57]  Sure.
[01:00:58]  Afghanistan is 20 years of nation building.
[01:01:03]  Venezuela was several days.
[01:01:07]  Okay.
[01:01:07]  Why did the nation building fail?
[01:01:10]  Because you cannot make Afghanis gay communists.
[01:01:13]  No.
[01:01:14]  The reason that it failed is in large part because it was too expensive.
[01:01:17]  No, because we nation-built in Japan.
[01:01:19]  Exactly.
[01:01:20]  Exceptionally well.
[01:01:21]  We nation-built in Greece.
[01:01:23]  We nation-built in the US in South Korea.
[01:01:25]  That implies that all societies are the same.
[01:01:27]  I don't think they're the same.
[01:01:28]  And the Afghanis couldn't do jumping jacks.
[01:01:31]  You need at least three generations, which we did get in the Koreas and in Japan.
[01:01:35]  You need to establish education.
[01:01:36]  You need to let girls go to school.
[01:01:38]  And you need to establish a middle class, which doesn't work.
[01:01:40]  And they were in active conflict the whole time in Afghanistan.
[01:01:43]  It wasn't working, and they should have gotten it.
[01:01:44]  But more importantly, we never worked with local experts of Afghanistan.
[01:01:48]  We didn't work with the people on the ground.
[01:01:51]  We worked with the Hazaras.
[01:01:52]  We worked with the northern tribes.
[01:01:54]  We built up an entire northern coalition.
[01:01:56]  And to pull back, you support the continuation of the occupation of Afghanistan.
[01:02:01]  I did not hold on.
[01:02:02]  No, I did not say I supported Greece.
[01:02:04]  I said, I don't know.
[01:02:05]  So you're that's an argument that allows a lot of plausible deniability.
[01:02:10]  So it says I don't know my answer to that.
[01:02:13]  Well, you can, but you can't put words in my mouth of what I haven't said.
[01:02:16]  Afghanistan, Venezuela, I'm going to say Burma, but I mentioned Radin.
[01:02:21]  I did not say that.
[01:02:22]  So in each place, you are positionally against American foreign policy.
[01:02:27]  You're not operating under a unified moral code.
[01:02:29]  No, my uniform.
[01:02:30]  It's America.
[01:02:31]  Yeah, you're against the American foreign policy, and you're picking whatever the opposition of it is.
[01:02:36]  Respectfully, you couldn't engage in a hypothetical.
[01:02:38]  So I'm not sure.
[01:02:39]  I write an alternate history show for seven years.
[01:02:41]  My consistent value.
[01:02:42]  My consistent, well, you didn't, so that's the idea.
[01:02:44]  You didn't have to do anything.
[01:02:46]  Rawls isn't true because, you know, genes.
[01:02:48]  God is enough with Rawls.
[01:02:50]  Rawls couldn't engage in a hypothetical because he couldn't forget.
[01:02:52]  How dare he use it like this?
[01:02:56]  Here, I'll tell you my consistent threat.
[01:02:58]  My consistent threat is I would like to see worldwide liberal democracies emerge.
[01:03:02]  That's what I would like to see.
[01:03:04]  Because I think liberal democracies tend not to go to war with each other.
[01:03:07]  They lift people out of poverty best.
[01:03:08]  They establish a good middle class.
[01:03:10]  They establish education and they decrease poverty, death, et cetera.
[01:03:13]  That's your religion.
[01:03:15]  It's not my religion.
[01:03:16]  That's not my religion.
[01:03:17]  That's what we're talking about.
[01:03:18]  One at a time.
[01:03:19]  One at a time.
[01:03:19]  Sorry.
[01:03:20]  Go ahead.
[01:03:20]  The idea that every society can be a liberal democracy is totally outside of the realm of possibility.
[01:03:27]  Like genes, like some people are genetically incapable of having a liberal democracy.
[01:03:31]  Just from custom, no, just because of customers.
[01:03:33]  I have a question.
[01:03:33]  I have a question in this regard.
[01:03:34]  Like Liberia, for instance.
[01:03:36]  I don't know enough about Liberia.
[01:03:38]  We repatriated former slaves and then established an American constitutional liberal democracy, and it devolved into cannibalism and tribal warfare.
[01:03:46]  Because why?
[01:03:48]  I don't know.
[01:03:48]  Well, the issue is hard to get.
[01:03:50]  Nobody can.
[01:03:51]  Nobody can.
[01:03:52]  It's not like nobody can.
[01:03:53]  Sorry, certain cultures.
[01:03:54]  Sometimes you can't.
[01:03:55]  Certain cultures can't.
[01:03:56]  My argument would be not all the liberal democracies have to look the same.
[01:03:58]  When I say liberal democracy, I don't mean superheroes that are gay.
[01:04:02]  What I mean is free speech, due process, strong institutions and boundaries.
[01:04:07]  Your argument about free speech, like there's a lot of societies that totally reject free speech out of hand.
[01:04:13]  Yeah, and they're wrong.
[01:04:14]  Well, I mean, so they're not brought together.
[01:04:16]  The key point that I'm making is those societies choose to be that way.
[01:04:20]  They choose to not be liberal democracy.
[01:04:22]  Well, they shouldn't have the choice.
[01:04:23]  And we can't make other societies have our values.
[01:04:27]  Well, no, I think we can convince them to have our values.
[01:04:30]  I want to get to this next story, which is actually relevant to the conversation.
[01:04:32]  I'll say one last thing on this, in that I think there's a realignment that's going to happen.
[01:04:36]  The progressives that lost in Illinois lost largely to APAC-backed candidates, which many people consider to be a shift.
[01:04:41]  Plus, we're seeing the media purchases by pro-Israel, pro-Zionist individuals.
[01:04:48]  I tweeted this earlier.
[01:04:49]  I think that we're going to see a political realignment where one party becomes interventionist and one party becomes anti-interventionist.
[01:04:55]  I'm not entirely sure if the Democrats will be the anti- or pro-interventionist, considering they're very critical of Trump right now, but it is shifting.
[01:05:03]  And with APAC backing these candidates, Democrats may actually end up in the we should go into these countries.
[01:05:09]  And then with Tucker, Candace, and Megan being loud right-wing voices, the Republican may become staunchly anti-intervention, which shifts the dynamic from woke versus anti-woke into war and pro-war, which is exactly what we were seeing with Obama versus McCain after the Bush era, where Obama played the I'm against the war, and McCain was like, well, sometimes you need it.
[01:05:33]  So again, I think the point you're making about why we may have needed, may have, I'm not saying we should have, may have needed to stay in Afghanistan is a point made by many neoliberals, more moderate Democrats about nationbuilding.
[01:05:43]  But let's jump into this story.
[01:05:44]  Let's jump into the story.
[01:05:45]  It's really important.
[01:05:46]  That sometimes you need to do evil to create order in life.
[01:05:49]  And sometimes you need to create chaos to produce good because totalitarian systems that have too much.
[01:05:54]  So this is an instance of going into Venezuela of doing something predominantly evil to create order in the realm.
[01:06:00]  We just have to always have that debate.
[01:06:02]  We're going to jump to the story.
[01:06:02]  We got this in the New York Post.
[01:06:04]  U.S. territory turned tropical maternity ward has produced thousands of American babies for parents living in China.
[01:06:11]  Amazing.
[01:06:11]  The Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands is a U.S. territory northeast of Guam in the Pacific Ocean.
[01:06:17]  It's been flooded with so-called birth tourists since 2009 when then President Barack Obama introduced a visa waiver program for Chinese nationals.
[01:06:24]  What a scumbag.
[01:06:26]  I say, strip them all of their citizenship.
[01:06:29]  Absolutely.
[01:06:30]  No more birthright citizenship, and they can't come back.
[01:06:33]  Yeah, I mean, Kylo's gone.
[01:06:35]  Okay, everyone agrees.
[01:06:36]  Yeah, probably, to be honest with you.
[01:06:38]  She's going to be like, no, Chinese should be allowed to be president of the United States.
[01:06:41]  It's just that civilizational suicide.
[01:06:44]  I mean, the idea, the fact that there is evidence that there are thousands and thousands of people that are going there just to have children, particularly from China, right?
[01:06:54]  China is absolutely an adversary.
[01:06:56]  They're not a partner.

=== Civilizational Suicide Fears (03:27) ===

[01:06:59]  They're not even rivals.
[01:07:00]  They are an adversary.
[01:07:01]  And the idea that they should be allowed to be American citizens just because they're born there, then brought back to China to be raised as a child.
[01:07:09]  That's why I can't stand liberals, man.
[01:07:11]  Because they're just like, they're going to stand around while the like these Chinese people doing birth tourism are literally saying in 20 years, you will start seizing power and assets from the American people.
[01:07:21]  And the American liberals are like, they're going to be standing there as the Chinese guy goes like, I have every right to take your stuff because I am American.
[01:07:28]  And they're going to go, guess you're right.
[01:07:29]  Yeah, I mean, they're going to be used as a vector of attack against the United States.
[01:07:34]  Is it just that people don't, I'm asking you too, Rev, I mean, you study this stuff, that people just don't have that outside perspective of the system.
[01:07:40]  They get in it.
[01:07:41]  They get emotionally involved with like, yeah, we're accepting of people, but like, is it just that like dumb first order thinking?
[01:07:50]  So James Burnham has the best narrative about this.
[01:07:53]  He wrote a book in 1961 called The Suicide of the West.
[01:07:56]  And the thesis of the book was that liberals do not have a morally consistent code.
[01:08:01]  They just support whatever degrades the West fast enough.
[01:08:04]  And so in 1961, he said that this would cause the collapse, the suicide of Western civilization, because the liberals don't have a consistent code.
[01:08:12]  They would just push for these various policies that would degrade the character of Western civilization.
[01:08:18]  And then people would give concessions to moderate liberals, which would then pass to radical Marxists.
[01:08:23]  And so he said radical Marxists would take over the institutions, which is what we've seen.
[01:08:27]  And these people, I agree with you, Tim.
[01:08:30]  These people have no, this is why I brought up Rawls in the Enlightenment.
[01:08:33]  These people have no concept that there are others who do not share their values who will use violence against them.
[01:08:38]  And if someone was willing to use violence and will not share your values, you have to pair that with violence.
[01:08:44]  I often notice people are very laissez-faire about, you know, about whatever, bringing new people in, changing the system.
[01:08:53]  They're kind of open to it until it affects them directly.
[01:08:55]  They get mugged.
[01:08:55]  And then they're like, like Anna Kasparian, you know, she's completely flipped after she got attacked by some dude outside her house.
[01:09:01]  I don't know that she's completely flipped, but she's definitely once it affects you.
[01:09:04]  And so to make sure that people don't have to face it and have that traumatic realignment that you can maybe educate them ahead of time and get them to kind of see what mass migration can do, see how societies can be destroyed with mass migration as used as a weapon.
[01:09:21]  But like to get people to realize it without really experiencing it, I don't know.
[01:09:26]  I don't know how.
[01:09:27]  I played a lot of Crusader Kings.
[01:09:28]  And I would watch countries get flipped with cultural, you know, the culture just takes it and then people vote for their own demise.
[01:09:34]  I'm like, that's how I learned.
[01:09:36]  But sorry, Marie.
[01:09:37]  Yeah, you'd have to establish cultural traditions to because this is something a lot of tribal societies do, where they have rites of passage that force people to grow up through these various rituals that make them comprehend the horror of the world.
[01:09:51]  Because industrial civilization has protected us from the brutality of the human condition.
[01:09:56]  And so people are just not aware of how bad things can get.
[01:10:00]  And that's why we're having mouse utopia.
[01:10:03]  And so like horror movies and stuff, is that part of why people like them is because it helps them see into what it could be?
[01:10:09]  Yeah, people like horror movies as like a reset button.
[01:10:13]  And it's because people physiologically process reality.
[01:10:18]  And so if someone physiologically does not understand something, they're going to have trouble understanding it in abstract intellectually.

=== Horror Movies as Reality Resets (08:27) ===

[01:10:27]  And so but like we don't this is so I think you guys are like true about something.
[01:10:31]  Which is that like by and large people are a culmination of their experiences and that's about it, right?
[01:10:36]  What you're talking about like Anna Kasparian, right?
[01:10:37]  What you're talking about like the morally lucky individual who just happens to grow up with the whatever morals you prefer and loves them because they grew up with them, right?
[01:10:45]  But I also think that we can experience and observe things and think of things and develop a sense of self.
[01:10:51]  Outside of these experiences, it just takes significant work, right?
[01:10:55]  In the case of learning math, it's really hard to experience high levels of math, Euclidean geometry.
[01:11:00]  However, if you engage in it at high levels over and over as like a rigorous mental practice in the way that you could do with philosophy, right?
[01:11:07]  You can actually come to observe and understand these things and have it kind of phenomenologically affect how you engage with the world, I think.
[01:11:14]  Well, let's go back to the original question, which is there's an island where Chinese people are flying, giving birth and then leaving, so that those babies will have standing to be president and be American citizens.
[01:11:24]  Should we put a stop to that?
[01:11:26]  Yeah, probably.
[01:11:27]  Should we end birthright citizenship?
[01:11:29]  I think it's complicated because it's a very American tradition, right?
[01:11:36]  There's a really good debate between two of my friends.
[01:11:41]  I don't know if I can shout out other creators.
[01:11:42]  I think you've had both of them, whoever you want.
[01:11:44]  Pisco and Ryan Mulali, when they were at World War Debate, talked about this, and I think both of them had really good arguments.
[01:11:50]  Ryan being saying birthright means an implied patriotism because obviously the founding fathers didn't know about planes, right?
[01:11:58]  So if you were born here, you're probably invested because you're not going to leave very easily, right?
[01:12:02]  And Pisco kind of addressed that, well, birthright citizenship is about the individual.
[01:12:07]  It's not about their parents, and that matters.
[01:12:09]  So I think there's really good arguments on either side.
[01:12:12]  No.
[01:12:13]  It's silly that someone from China can fly here specifically to give birth and then fly here a week before birth, give birth, and then fly back a week later.
[01:12:21]  I agree, but there might be a way to like policy carve out in such a way that people can't abuse it like that, but we still protect the birthright citizenship.
[01:12:29]  Yes, some way to do that work.
[01:12:30]  Because I think Pisco points out really aptly, I forget which amendment it is, and I'm going to butcher his arguments for him.
[01:12:36]  Very sorry, Pisco, I think.
[01:12:37]  The 14th, yeah.
[01:12:38]  But the jurisdiction of the state it's talking about is the child.
[01:12:41]  It's not the parents.
[01:12:42]  And a child is not responsible for their parents, their parents' sins, their parents' heritage, any of these sort of things, especially in...
[01:12:47]  That's not what jurisdiction thereof was...
[01:12:49]  Like, if you look at the debates...
[01:12:50]  No.
[01:12:50]  No, but in the American law idea, the idea is that you can come here and be born here, and that makes you American.
[01:12:56]  And yes, there are people abusing it.
[01:12:57]  But the question might be, is there a way to prevent the abuse while maintaining the principles of what they're saying?
[01:13:04]  The 14th Amendment was specifically for post-Civil War, addressing the issue of slaves.
[01:13:08]  And the point of if you were born here, you were a slave, was past tense, not future.
[01:13:13]  The idea was all of the slaves who were born here are citizens.
[01:13:17]  That's what they were saying.
[01:13:19]  There was a debate on this in which the guy said, well, no one's going to construe this to mean that foreigners, diplomats, or their children would have to go to the city.
[01:13:26]  Just fly here.
[01:13:27]  And that was back when we didn't have planes and people were like traveling three months.
[01:13:32]  So it was actually debated.
[01:13:33]  And then it was, what was it, Wong Kim, what was it?
[01:13:38]  Wong V. Kim Ark or whatever?
[01:13:40]  I don't know.
[01:13:41]  I can't remember the name of the political president.
[01:13:42]  Where they were like, no, no, no, anybody born here at this point forward will be a citizen, despite that not being the intention of the 14th Amendment.
[01:13:51]  There was never a moral argument behind it.
[01:13:53]  It was just practicality.
[01:13:55]  Only really nations in the new world do not have to be in the world.
[01:13:57]  Wong came in the United States.
[01:13:58]  Birthright citizenship is just nations in the new world with a handful of exceptions because these were countries with high demographic turnover.
[01:14:06]  If you went to the founding fathers and made that moral argument, they just wouldn't have a concept for that.
[01:14:11]  Sure, but the principle that's emerging is this.
[01:14:13]  What's the principle?
[01:14:14]  What's the moral principle?
[01:14:15]  That the principle here would be that you are not held and bound by the actions or identity of what your parents are.
[01:14:21]  Why is that good?
[01:14:22]  I think that that's good because, for example, being held accountable for the sins or like history of your parents is something that was often done in older world orders that I think was harmful.
[01:14:32]  I don't think that I should be culpable for the behaviors, the actions, the viewpoints, or the identity of my parents.
[01:14:37]  I completely agree.
[01:14:38]  Like, if someone illegally enters my home and then gives birth, that kids will just live in my house now.
[01:14:43]  I am not responsible for the crime they committed.
[01:14:45]  Well, it was a really cute baby.
[01:14:46]  No, baby's got to go.
[01:14:47]  But reality also exists.
[01:14:49]  We fundamentally exist in a world of distinct countries that have their own histories.
[01:14:53]  And the reality is not that we are fundamentally bored because the baby boomers are going to pass on a crap ton of debt to my generation, Gen Z, by this logic.
[01:15:04]  And we can't, you can say, of course, it would be nice if we got rid of the debt.
[01:15:07]  I am going to be stuck with this debt.
[01:15:08]  I am going to force the generational inheritance the baby boomers gave me.
[01:15:12]  And I cannot do anything about this.
[01:15:14]  This is the fundamental reality of the human condition.
[01:15:17]  And I believe in creating politics around fundamental realities, not around abstract principles, and then enforcing them on reality whether or not they make sense.
[01:15:26]  So if your parents are a thief, should everyone look at you skeptically for the next like 15 to 40 years of your life because your parent was a thief?
[01:15:32]  Might be in your genes.
[01:15:33]  This was something that the Western tradition had established.
[01:15:35]  We had already thought this through, where Christianity and the Greco-Roman tradition said that the individual should be judged for their actions.
[01:15:44]  But this was something that was thought through at the time.
[01:15:47]  It wasn't just a post-ad hoc rationalization for a legal structure.
[01:15:52]  Where we established this legal structure because it was convenient at the time, it was not a moral principle.
[01:15:58]  You know, I think we form society based off of literal reality, like you're saying, but also off of abstract concepts like our rights are given to us by God.
[01:16:07]  Well, man, reality is complicated.
[01:16:09]  And my theory is that it's like the masculine and the feminine.
[01:16:12]  The ideal and the material match up together.
[01:16:15]  And so there's a dynamic between them where the ideal can pull a little bit and the material can pull a little bit.
[01:16:20]  And it's a negotiation between the two.
[01:16:22]  So do you think right now?
[01:16:24]  To my point, right?
[01:16:24]  What you're saying is what I'm saying, right?
[01:16:26]  I agree that, for example, the national debt that the boomers created is something that my generation and your generation are going to have to deal with.
[01:16:32]  But at the same time, I might be able to say the way that I identify as an individual, the things that I carry into this world, as far as maybe things like opportunity and circumstance, shouldn't be nearly as neatly tied to my parents.
[01:16:43]  I think that that's a very old world idea that I don't like.
[01:16:45]  But if there's these tension between these two things, if your parents literally birthed you here, then your whole world identity would revolve around the fact that they did that.
[01:16:52]  Only if you lived here would it mean if you were born here.
[01:16:54]  So it totally depends on what you're doing.
[01:16:56]  If you live here you're saying it's your identity shouldn't be anything to do with your parents, but your parents decided where you're going to be born.
[01:17:03]  Nothing to do with your parents.
[01:17:04]  The idea is that you shouldn't have to inherit their actions, right?
[01:17:07]  But you become a citizen of the country they choose to birth you in.
[01:17:10]  To some extent, well, they do, but we don't, right?
[01:17:13]  My dad, being an he's not any of these things, but say my dad is an alcoholic and a thief.
[01:17:18]  That doesn't mean that I am accountable for the time that he stole from somebody.
[01:17:21]  This is why land's rights can get really messy.
[01:17:23]  And we often say in the case of like, is that stolen land or not?
[01:17:26]  We go, well, maybe my ancestors' ancestors' ancestors, but for how long do we have to pay for that, right?
[01:17:31]  Yeah, I don't know.
[01:17:32]  No, it goes 40 acres and a mule.
[01:17:35]  I shouldn't have to pay for that.
[01:17:37]  By that logic, white people should not be held to the actions of their ancestors because we should not inherit the costs of our ancestors.
[01:17:43]  Wait a minute.
[01:17:44]  And also, on top of it, I said that the development of these moral codes is a conflict between the material and the ideal.
[01:17:52]  What you're basically saying is that if the ideal is a man and the material is the woman, the man should just totally dominate the woman without reference to the material realities.
[01:18:01]  Wait, wait, wait a moment.
[01:18:02]  I want to change my opinion because I just realized something.
[01:18:05]  That you're a Democrat.
[01:18:06]  No.
[01:18:06]  I did.
[01:18:07]  For the longest time, I just thought I was a quarter Korean, but then I found out that I'm actually 5% Japanese.
[01:18:14]  Now I'm in favor of the sins of the father because this means the government, the United States government, has got to give me reparations because I'm Japanese.
[01:18:20]  So pay up.
[01:18:22]  You have to prove that they stole stuff from you.
[01:18:24]  No, I don't.
[01:18:24]  No, you do.
[01:18:25]  No.
[01:18:25]  I think the Japanese had to submit receipts of being like, hey, but also part of why they got paid back.
[01:18:30]  Part of why they got paid back is because it was actually within the same domain.
[01:18:33]  Do you guys think that we're out of balance with like, okay, so like Rodriguez, you were saying about the politics based on the harsh reality and politics based on the philosophy that we've become so, I think we've become so into philosophy with post- Thank you, Rudyard.
[01:18:47]  Yeah, talk me in.
[01:18:48]  That we become like in postmodernism that we're so philosophical heavy that we've lost sight with just brute reality.

=== Antichrist Symbolism Debunked (09:42) ===

[01:18:54]  We're radically delusional.
[01:18:56]  I think that's just obvious.
[01:18:57]  Our moral code is no frame for reality.
[01:18:59]  Yep.
[01:19:00]  Okay, I'll be right back.
[01:19:01]  Thanks.
[01:19:01]  I agree with you.
[01:19:02]  I agree with the internet.
[01:19:03]  It's easy to become something you're not to play in fantasy.
[01:19:06]  And since the end of the Cold War, we've just been carte blanche.
[01:19:08]  We haven't had repercussions.
[01:19:10]  How about we go nuclear and jump to this next story?
[01:19:12]  Donald Trump is the Antichrist.
[01:19:14]  Now that I've sufficiently made many of you angry, and I'll say that I'm joking, there is something interesting because we've got this tweet from Drew Tang who says, Remember when me and Donnie Darkand and Sovereign Bra went on Timcast in December of 2023 and quoted this exact verse to him saying it would happen to Trump?
[01:19:31]  And then the FBI had the episode taken off YouTube.
[01:19:34]  Wait.
[01:19:36]  Oh, that's right.
[01:19:37]  The episode was taken off of YouTube.
[01:19:40]  And Leonardo Joni, you know, you love her.
[01:19:43]  She posted this.
[01:19:44]  What do we think of this?
[01:19:45]  And it shows Trump with his ear bleeding.
[01:19:47]  I saw that one of the heads of the beast seemed wounded beyond recovery, but the fatal wound was healed.
[01:19:52]  The whole world marveled at this miracle and gave allegiance to the beast, Revelation.
[01:19:56]  Now, what's really interesting about this is that when I saw this tweet, I recalled sitting down with these individuals, and they literally explained to me that Donald Trump would be injured on the right side of his body in some capacity because that was a, if he was the Antichrist, that was a symbol of the Antichrist.
[01:20:14]  And so when I saw this, I was like, no, wait a minute, because they did say it on the show.
[01:20:21]  So I asked Grock and it said, the idea the Antichrist will be injured on the right side comes primarily from interpretations of biblical prophecy.
[01:20:27]  Woe to the worthless shepherd who leaves the flock.
[01:20:30]  A sword shall be against his arm and against his right eye.
[01:20:33]  His arm shall completely wither and his right eye shall be totally blinded.
[01:20:37]  Well, in all seriousness, Trump is not completely blinded, but the bullet did hit his right ear.
[01:20:42]  And what they said on the show was that Trump would be injured somewhere on the right side of his face, not necessarily his eye.
[01:20:47]  And then, ladies and gentlemen, Pamer drop time.
[01:20:50]  Nasty bruise on Trump's hand breaks through layers of makeup.
[01:20:53]  The president showed it off to Irish leader on St. Patrick's Day.
[01:20:56]  So this is a story the left has been playing like crazy.
[01:21:00]  Trump's right arm, his right hand, has been consistently bruised for going on months now, which again, I am not saying is the Antichrist, but a lot of these people who are.
[01:21:12]  And wearing makeup is pretty antichrist behavior when he's wearing makeup.
[01:21:15]  Well, he's trying to cover up that his right arm is bruised.
[01:21:20]  I'm kidding, is perhaps withering.
[01:21:24]  Damn.
[01:21:25]  I just think that was interesting.
[01:21:26]  I don't know.
[01:21:27]  If the Antichrist is here, my personal take is that people can behave in a Christ-like manner or in an Antichrist-like behavior.
[01:21:33]  And if they're super famous and powerful and you start being sinful, then you're exhibiting Antichrist-like behaviors and you'll be like one of those Antichrist people.
[01:21:41]  Can we?
[01:21:41]  That's my personal take.
[01:21:42]  But now let's just pretend there is a guy that is the Antichrist.
[01:21:45]  That means the Second Coming is arriving.
[01:21:47]  He doesn't know enough, which is what the argument is about the war in Israel and Netanyahu saying the messianic era will come, but it won't be next Thursday.
[01:21:57]  And then you've got people pointing to Donald Trump.
[01:21:59]  You've got the efforts to breed the red heifer.
[01:22:02]  I am not saying it's prophecy, but I am suggesting that people want it to be.
[01:22:08]  Roger, were you going to say something?
[01:22:09]  Oh, Trump doesn't know enough esoteric religious lore to be the Antichrist.
[01:22:14]  He didn't first say that he was gravely wounded.
[01:22:16]  In the case, he literally wasn't gravely wounded.
[01:22:18]  He had his ear nicked.
[01:22:19]  He was shot in the head.
[01:22:20]  He literally wasn't gravely wounded.
[01:22:22]  That was the miracle, is that despite having someone shooting at his head?
[01:22:25]  So eventually people have produced the book of Revelations 50 times and it has yet to have happened.
[01:22:30]  That is a 0% track record.
[01:22:32]  Sure, but once it does, then they'll be right.
[01:22:35]  Then we're all dead.
[01:22:37]  So the Antichrist is deeply knowledgeable in religion.
[01:22:40]  Is that what you mean?
[01:22:41]  So if someone were to be the Antichrist, they'd have a wide variety of esoteric lore in order to found the anti-religion against Christ.
[01:22:48]  And so you could assess their actions and their behaviors based off their knowledge of religious lore.
[01:22:52]  Could it be?
[01:22:54]  He's hiding his power level.
[01:22:55]  He does have the religious lore, but he can't show people yet.
[01:23:00]  Could his knowledge of religious lore be his knowledge of business?
[01:23:02]  See, the dollar is now what people worship?
[01:23:04]  They're not transferable.
[01:23:06]  Are you sure?
[01:23:06]  Because people seem to worship money.
[01:23:08]  I'm pretty sure.
[01:23:09]  I mean, money's God on earth, is it not?
[01:23:11]  No, that's not how the mystic lore goes.
[01:23:14]  Okay.
[01:23:14]  It is now.
[01:23:16]  So it's going to be like a priest.
[01:23:17]  They say it's going to be a priest.
[01:23:18]  If he is making weird esoteric remarks and he drops these things inside his content that demonstrates that he knows more than he says, then you'll know.
[01:23:27]  What would be an example of a weird esoteric remark?
[01:23:31]  So I'm trying to figure out.
[01:23:33]  He's trying to figure out if you're the Antichrist, by the way.
[01:23:35]  Don't tell him.
[01:23:35]  Don't tell him.
[01:23:36]  I'm not.
[01:23:37]  That's what the antichrist is.
[01:23:40]  When people.
[01:23:41]  Different mystics have different code words they use to demonstrate the religious tradition they're operating in.
[01:23:47]  You can look at the code words they're operating under to figure out what their level is.
[01:23:53]  So Hermetics do that, Gnostics do it, Platonists do it.
[01:23:57]  So his philosophy, not wanting not a Gnostic, not a Platist, but what is he?
[01:24:01]  A secular businessman?
[01:24:02]  Yeah, he is.
[01:24:03]  That's his philosophy?
[01:24:03]  So is he speaking code?
[01:24:05]  No, he's not.
[01:24:06]  Are you sure?
[01:24:06]  I'm pretty sure we just don't know the code.
[01:24:08]  I'm pretty sure.
[01:24:09]  This guy knows everything.
[01:24:10]  I mean, if he doesn't know, if we don't know the code, then no one knows the code.
[01:24:15]  Phil, is something happening that we don't know about?
[01:24:17]  I mean, we don't know.
[01:24:19]  I don't know, dude.
[01:24:20]  I think I can't even joke about it.
[01:24:22]  If there was an Antichrist on earth right now, who the fuck else would it be than Donald Trump?
[01:24:26]  It would have to be that guy.
[01:24:27]  Peter Thiel?
[01:24:27]  Well, Peter Thiel thinks it was Greta Thunberg.
[01:24:29]  It would be the weaker, Justin Dieber.
[01:24:31]  Or like Elon Musk.
[01:24:33]  It's just a really great.
[01:24:34]  Dr. Thunberg, a know enough esoteric religious war to be the Antichrist.
[01:24:39]  I think it was in Ross's interview with Peter Thiel.
[01:24:42]  He was like, oh, yeah, it's Greta.
[01:24:43]  It's Greta Thenberg.
[01:24:44]  She's the Antichrist.
[01:24:44]  I can't remember his reason.
[01:24:46]  Peter Thiel is having a meeting, I guess, today, or this week at the Vatican or something like that.
[01:24:51]  Let me see what I can.
[01:24:52]  Okay.
[01:24:53]  Don, I don't think you're the Antichrist, by the way.
[01:24:54]  I already said my philosophy.
[01:24:56]  I think all of us can exhibit the behavior and become it.
[01:24:58]  So don't say stuff like, I hate my enemies, worship pain on your enemies because that's wrath.
[01:25:03]  That is a sin.
[01:25:04]  He's a queer.
[01:25:05]  What if Karl Marx was?
[01:25:07]  What if Karl Marx was the Antichrist because he established a religion based upon material things and he was also a Jew and then it was an anti-church founded upon envy rather than love?
[01:25:17]  Then what would happen in the story leading to Christ's return?
[01:25:20]  So some people think that the book of so I'm not a book of Revelations guy.
[01:25:24]  That's not my thing.
[01:25:25]  But some people think that book of Revelations takes course over centuries and you're compressing a complex historic event like the fall of Rome into a singular chapter.
[01:25:36]  They'll post hoc update their theory to match like whatever's happened in the timeline for their preference.
[01:25:40]  So the response, the antidote to communism would be the return of Christ in the story.
[01:25:45]  Christ returned into communism.
[01:25:48]  Maybe we are in heaven now?
[01:25:50]  No.
[01:25:52]  This is hell.
[01:25:52]  It's just one way of looking at reality.
[01:25:54]  Wouldn't it be absolutely wild if like in two years like literally Jesus just came back?
[01:25:59]  It would be pretty wild.
[01:26:00]  Jesus is smiling.
[01:26:01]  He's very cool.
[01:26:02]  Dancing with us right now.
[01:26:03]  Jesus' spirit is within the Christian community.
[01:26:05]  Oh, yeah, no, no.
[01:26:05]  Here's a question, though.
[01:26:06]  When he comes back, does he like descend from the heavens or is he already here and then like reveals himself?
[01:26:12]  He's inside you.
[01:26:13]  What I would guess.
[01:26:13]  Quaker says inside you.
[01:26:15]  What I would guess is that he would embody the spirit within his action, then people wouldn't notice.
[01:26:21]  That's what I'm talking about.
[01:26:22]  Subversive, dude.
[01:26:23]  So nobody would know he was here.
[01:26:25]  Wait, why would he not notice?
[01:26:26]  Jesus knows that he was cursive.
[01:26:27]  But the return.
[01:26:29]  You know what's going to be really funny?
[01:26:30]  When it happens and the rapture happens, but then all the Orthodox people are still here and they think they're right, but they're not.
[01:26:36]  Yeah, all those things.
[01:26:38]  I'm just kidding, Orthodox.
[01:26:38]  All those EOs down bad.
[01:26:40]  The schism Catholic schism.
[01:26:44]  It's crazy, but for centuries leading up to Christ in the Jewish community, they would constantly talk about the rise of their Messiah and the Messiah was about to come.
[01:26:51]  And the Messiah would defeat the Romans, and then they didn't figure out it was Christ.
[01:26:56]  Ironic.
[01:26:57]  Well, did he defeat?
[01:26:58]  I mean, I guess so.
[01:26:59]  Hold on.
[01:27:00]  So when he comes back, who are the Romans?
[01:27:02]  Like, he's going to go to Italy and defeat the Roman Catholics?
[01:27:05]  This is why I said I wasn't a book of Revelations guy, because I don't think I can actually figure this out.
[01:27:10]  So when Christ returns, he defeats the Romans.
[01:27:12]  So Christ emerged from a Jewish messianic tradition that stemmed back for centuries leading up to him.
[01:27:19]  In this tradition, they thought their Messiah would arise and then defeat the Roman Empire because Israel was a Roman colony.
[01:27:26]  Yeah.
[01:27:27]  And that's why they don't like Jesus, the Christian Jesus, because he wasn't political.
[01:27:32]  Yeah, that's exactly right, actually.
[01:27:34]  Oh, look at that, EO Bros.
[01:27:35]  Jesus wasn't political, interesting.
[01:27:36]  No, Jesus wasn't political.
[01:27:38]  He believed in God.
[01:27:39]  And so Jesus emerged and he said, we should love each other.
[01:27:41]  We should accept the Roman colonization because the kingdom of heaven lies within.
[01:27:45]  And they killed him for that.
[01:27:46]  They were looking for the Messiah, but then he didn't have the message they wanted, that they launch a war against the Romans.
[01:27:51]  You know, the White House is Roman.
[01:27:53]  It's Roman architecture.
[01:27:55]  They even have it as white killers unpainted as it, because the Roman architecture, all the paint washed off.
[01:27:59]  These idiot Americans came and they rebuilt it without paint.
[01:28:03]  So what is this return of Christ going to come overthrow the vestiges of the Roman Empire?
[01:28:06]  That's the guise of the American oligarchy and like reset the system to a republic again?
[01:28:11]  Everyone used Roman architecture at the point.
[01:28:13]  But they forgot to paint the stuff.
[01:28:15]  The Roman statues weren't white back in the day.
[01:28:18]  That's what they get wrong.
[01:28:18]  Yeah, they were all crazy rainbows.
[01:28:20]  You know, they were woke.
[01:28:21]  And then so the Jews will be freed from the tyranny of the American Empire, the British Empire.
[01:28:27]  And then the ones that have strayed and have forgotten what God is will return to God.
[01:28:31]  They need to rebuild the temple and then the prophecy can be fulfilled.
[01:28:34]  No, no, no, and the red heifers.
[01:28:36]  Oh, they got to get the cow.

=== AI Uncanny Valley Moments (06:18) ===

[01:28:37]  Genetic engineering.
[01:28:39]  They're trying to, like, which is crazy.
[01:28:41]  They're trying to manufacture the end of time.
[01:28:43]  I think this whole Jesus.
[01:28:45]  I like this reality.
[01:28:45]  I don't want this reality to end.
[01:28:47]  Yeah, it's good.
[01:28:47]  It's going to be a little bit more.
[01:28:48]  Well, it's, you know, one of my simulation theories is that we're just an AI-generated television entertainment show for the progenitors.
[01:28:55]  So they made this.
[01:28:56]  Think about it this way.
[01:28:58]  Instead of making a show, like We View a Show, you create, you get an AI to auto-generate the stories, and it's like a real-time present thing you can just turn on and watch and then be like, I love the Trump show.
[01:29:13]  Like, we just watched President Trump be crazy, you know?
[01:29:15]  This AI is an absolute sexual freak.
[01:29:17]  But it's not AI.
[01:29:18]  It's just for sure, bro.
[01:29:19]  It's going to be a lot of fun for people to watch.
[01:29:21]  Whoa, man, what if reality fans makes money?
[01:29:24]  What if reality is a dream by the gods in order to simulate different realities to figure out what does and doesn't work so that they can repurpose this into the tree of life?
[01:29:33]  Yeah.
[01:29:34]  And it's not AI, it's I. That's why we think of ourselves.
[01:29:39]  We call ourselves I.
[01:29:40]  It's intelligence.
[01:29:40]  It's just actual crazy.
[01:29:43]  We got to jump to this next story so we can explain to you, my friends, you need to understand just how powerful AI has become.
[01:29:51]  While I wouldn't describe this as family-friendly, maybe you don't want your kids watching it.
[01:29:57]  Which is very funny.
[01:29:58]  Take a look at this AI-generated trailer for a movie that you wish existed.
[01:30:05]  Three years after a string of brutal, unsolved murders of local co-eds with impossibly fat milkers, the women of Delta Delta D will be headed to the space station as part of NASA's Project Buff.
[01:30:17]  Scary, the titty killer just disappeared.
[01:30:19]  We're going to be 250 miles up.
[01:30:22]  The only person watching us get changed is going to be a 60-year-old man at Cape Sinai.
[01:30:29]  You know, I heard in space your boots actually get bigger.
[01:30:33]  Why exactly are they sending a shuttle full of sorority girls to space?
[01:30:38]  Son, the only thing bigger than the NASA budget after this is going to be the strain on those girls' sweaters.
[01:30:43]  This is like the plot of a movie written by a 12-year-old boy.
[01:30:46]  This is the first time I felt safe since the titty killer.
[01:30:51]  You don't think it's him, do you?
[01:30:55]  Who else would go all the way to space?
[01:31:01]  Take a physics test for an AI engine.
[01:31:03]  The boys down here tell me you're flat as a board.
[01:31:05]  If that's right, you're basically invisible to them.
[01:31:08]  You might be our only hope.
[01:31:10]  This is crazy!
[01:31:11]  Do you guys remember when we reviewed Capital of Conformity?
[01:31:14]  Yeah.
[01:31:16]  Amazing.
[01:31:18]  Let me contrast this for you guys.
[01:31:21]  Capital of Conformity, because this was a couple years ago.
[01:31:25]  I was even going to pull it up.
[01:31:27]  And real quick, I'll only play like two seconds for you.
[01:31:30]  You.
[01:31:31]  Oh, man.
[01:31:32]  Yes, you look.
[01:31:33]  So good.
[01:31:34]  Do you dread waking up in the morning?
[01:31:36]  Are you feeling helpless in your society?
[01:31:38]  Perhaps even a bit lost?
[01:31:39]  Well, look no further.
[01:31:42]  At the Capitol, we offer an escape.
[01:31:44]  A new beginning, a lifetime of unending joy.
[01:31:47]  We have an abundance of attractions so captivating, you'll wonder how you ever lived without them.
[01:31:52]  I recommend if you guys have not seen Capital of Conformity from Azay Alter, you must watch it.
[01:31:57]  And I will tell you what's really sad about this.
[01:32:00]  This short film, it's two minutes and 42 seconds, and it's brilliantly done, but the limitations of AI video made this movie feel like a nightmare.
[01:32:09]  The faces are all melting together.
[01:32:11]  People are walking in weird ways.
[01:32:13]  It feels like you're in a nightmare and it works perfectly.
[01:32:16]  But as AI gets better, it loses that.
[01:32:20]  So now we just have the titty killer, which is really, really good.
[01:32:26]  And it's crazy that we've gotten to this point in AI generation.
[01:32:31]  Apparently, Sea Dance 3, China's new AI video model, it's not released yet, but these are the leaks.
[01:32:38]  In 30 seconds, it can render a 17-minute short film.
[01:32:42]  I mean, just think about how psychotic that is.
[01:32:44]  When this comes out, you're going to type in short film about Titty Killer 5, and it will make a full movie for you.
[01:32:51]  And then, depending on your proclivities, it might be worse than just Titty Killer.
[01:32:56]  Well, I just got to say, we've seen it three times, so I feel like I know what some people's search history will be in this robot.
[01:33:02]  Titty Killer.
[01:33:03]  I don't want the women to die.
[01:33:04]  I want them to play games with each other.
[01:33:07]  I want Titty Candyland in outer space.
[01:33:09]  No, I didn't expect that to open up learning more about you.
[01:33:12]  But we did play it.
[01:33:13]  It is incorrect.
[01:33:14]  We played it two and a half times because I didn't see the beginning the first time when he says this.
[01:33:20]  Three years after a string of brutal, unsolved murders of local co-eds with impossibly fat milkers.
[01:33:28]  The important problem is that you're going to be able to do this.
[01:33:29]  The important problem.
[01:33:30]  Dude, the movies that people are going to make are going to melt your eyeballs.
[01:33:34]  This is already good.
[01:33:36]  They're going to do retro where they're like, give me AI, a version of it, but AI 2025 March 17th version.
[01:33:44]  Just like we make 8-bit video games still.
[01:33:46]  Yeah, it is worth noting, though, or it is worth pointing out that it was a very, very short amount of time where you could get that, I guess, surreal quality in AI videos where it was almost like Uncanny Valley.
[01:34:00]  It was just creepy.
[01:34:02]  Everyone's familiar with the Will Smith eating spaghetti and how that was almost a nightmare in and of itself.
[01:34:09]  Like it was just so creepy looking.
[01:34:12]  And obviously that's gone nowadays.
[01:34:14]  And I'm not even sure if you could get an AI to produce that quality anymore.
[01:34:20]  To be honest with you, I imagine eventually it will be able to do that.
[01:34:23]  You know, they'll be able to say, look, make it as if this.
[01:34:28]  But you can't just prompt it to do something that's that.
[01:34:33]  I don't know if I want to say the texture is a certain way.
[01:34:37]  I don't know if that's the right way to articulate it, but it was the capital of conformity was super creepy.
[01:34:43]  Yeah, I recognize it.
[01:34:45]  It was the imperfection that was so creepy.
[01:34:48]  Roseanne, if now's the time to stop making movies and to start just focus on AI because the effort, and she and Jake, her son, were like, no, now's the time.

=== 90s Music Quality Standards (04:34) ===

[01:34:56]  No way, dude.
[01:34:56]  Look at this.
[01:34:57]  I mean, look, if you want to make a movie, you just do this.
[01:34:59]  That's what you could do.
[01:35:00]  This is crazy.
[01:35:01]  I mean, look, aside from the fact that you do money while you're on set, literally, while you're not shooting, you could be making another movie.
[01:35:07]  I'm wondering who made this.
[01:35:10]  Yeah, we should shout these guys out.
[01:35:11]  What were you saying, Carter?
[01:35:12]  Oh, I was saying, maybe Roseanne meant that now's the time to make it because there won't be any more time after this gets so good.
[01:35:19]  Could be.
[01:35:19]  So, like, maybe you should, if you're going to do it, do it now.
[01:35:22]  And show the world, like, hey, human art's still good.
[01:35:24]  Yeah.
[01:35:24]  Even though this is great.
[01:35:26]  Oh, my God.
[01:35:27]  Wait, there's.
[01:35:28]  Wait, part two?
[01:35:29]  There's actually a bunch of these.
[01:35:31]  Good.
[01:35:31]  Are there four?
[01:35:32]  Oh, there's actually one through four.
[01:35:34]  Let's watch.
[01:35:34]  Titty Killer.
[01:35:35]  So this is Titty Killer in Space.
[01:35:37]  I get it.
[01:35:38]  I was trying to, I'm trying to figure out who made this, but apparently there's a one through four as well that you can watch.
[01:35:42]  I hope the world was underground in the sewer system of New York.
[01:35:45]  Is that hot for you?
[01:35:46]  You know what movie was great?
[01:35:47]  Chud.
[01:35:48]  I didn't see it.
[01:35:48]  Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers.
[01:35:50]  That's correct.
[01:35:51]  That's correct.
[01:35:52]  Shud.
[01:35:52]  Chud.
[01:35:53]  The 80s.
[01:35:53]  You know what we need to do?
[01:35:55]  We need a nuclear war.
[01:35:56]  We need one.
[01:35:57]  Yeah, we need a nuclear war to wipe out all of our digital infrastructure so that we're forced to go back to an era of the 90s where we have blockbuster video.
[01:36:04]  That sucked, though.
[01:36:05]  No, it took so long to do stuff.
[01:36:07]  That's how it was.
[01:36:08]  All the best culture came from 90s to like 2010.
[01:36:13]  1994.
[01:36:15]  94 was the year.
[01:36:16]  1994 was the PC.
[01:36:17]  8 City was the shit.
[01:36:18]  94 was the bomb.
[01:36:20]  97 was the 2015.
[01:36:22]  94 is the greatest year of humanity.
[01:36:24]  Everybody agrees.
[01:36:25]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:36:26]  Thank you.
[01:36:26]  That's true.
[01:36:26]  The Tonies were kicking off.
[01:36:27]  I mean, it was a great thing.
[01:36:28]  All of the albums you know from the 90s came out in 94.
[01:36:31]  Credit for 94.
[01:36:32]  All of the 90s albums.
[01:36:33]  I have one in January, so it was the best year.
[01:36:36]  You know, the 90s, 40 pumpkins was 94.
[01:36:39]  Siamese Dream was before that, I believe.
[01:36:42]  Gold medal on Big Ben, The Coolest Horse in the World, 1994.
[01:36:46]  What happened?
[01:36:48]  Not five.
[01:36:49]  The 90s were.
[01:36:49]  They always seem cool in retrospect.
[01:36:51]  It's like that nostalgia.
[01:36:52]  Being there was boring as fuck.
[01:36:54]  Anything from 90s to 2015 just like was, I don't know, like, bro, Gen Z, look, they dress better than we ever did, but they don't have any like, they don't have goth or punk or live, 94.
[01:37:07]  Bush, 16 Stone, 94.
[01:37:09]  The Cranberries, 94.
[01:37:10]  Cranberry.
[01:37:11]  What's what we got?
[01:37:12]  Tori Amos.
[01:37:14]  I'm not, you know, Earthquake.
[01:37:15]  Totis was 94.
[01:37:16]  Yeah.
[01:37:17]  We have Neil Young.
[01:37:18]  I mean, that's fine.
[01:37:19]  Soul Coughing, 94.
[01:37:21]  Dinosaur Jr., 94.
[01:37:22]  Really, you go back to 91.
[01:37:23]  91 and 94.
[01:37:24]  We're like, let's see.
[01:37:25]  Q2 is kicking it.
[01:37:27]  Smashing Pumpkins, of course, 94.
[01:37:29]  You've got Bad Religion in 94.
[01:37:31]  You've got, what is it?
[01:37:33]  There's a bunch of songs on that.
[01:37:34]  It's like Mr. Big to Nirvana, you know, that horse transition.
[01:37:38]  Stone Devil Pilot was their second album, though.
[01:37:40]  Broke Assault.
[01:37:41]  So the 90s.
[01:37:44]  I'm an avid kid of the 90s.
[01:37:46]  The offspring sounds.
[01:37:47]  They suck now, but we'll give them that one.
[01:37:48]  Ian, why do you like the 90s so much?
[01:37:49]  REM REM.
[01:37:51]  Sorry, youth.
[01:37:52]  I'm an information guy.
[01:37:53]  I like to learn, and it took so long to learn anything before the internet.
[01:37:56]  It was awful.
[01:37:58]  You had to read.
[01:37:59]  You'd have to look up books if you could even find the book if you didn't even know what you're looking for.
[01:38:03]  So it's like you go to card catalogs at the library.
[01:38:05]  I'm like, I got to be home by 6 o'clock.
[01:38:07]  Sound good.
[01:38:08]  The music was incredibly good in the 90s.
[01:38:11]  No, I agree with that.
[01:38:12]  It was extremely good.
[01:38:13]  I listened to it two plus hours a day every day.
[01:38:16]  Literally.
[01:38:16]  Radio.
[01:38:16]  I taped songs off the radio.
[01:38:18]  I just laid in bed.
[01:38:19]  All I did was read and listen to music.
[01:38:21]  That was my, or ride bikes or video games.
[01:38:24]  But it just didn't have Primus nowadays.
[01:38:28]  Primus?
[01:38:29]  Primus is phenomenal.
[01:38:30]  Did you know that Pink Floyd had a number one album in 94?
[01:38:33]  The wall.
[01:38:34]  No.
[01:38:34]  No, that didn't come out.
[01:38:35]  No, it was the Division Bell.
[01:38:37]  Yeah, Division Bell was pretty good.
[01:38:38]  Tom's heavy, dude.
[01:38:39]  Tom Penny's greatest hits was great.
[01:38:40]  Toto's Greatest Hits, Past to President.
[01:38:41]  The Lion King was the number one album for like three months.
[01:38:44]  I mean, you two.
[01:38:46]  Automatic for the people, REM, groundbreaking.
[01:38:48]  But so, okay, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that.
[01:38:51]  The final season of Star through the Next Generation.
[01:38:53]  Good, but you had to wait till like Thursday at 8 p.m. to watch it.
[01:38:56]  TV was golden like 2008.
[01:38:58]  It was so much better when we had to wait and we didn't know.
[01:39:00]  When you were like, you'd pick up the phone and you'd call your friend's house and you'd be like, Is Billy home?
[01:39:05]  And she'd be like, I don't know where he is.
[01:39:06]  But guess I'm not going to see him.
[01:39:07]  But that's so much.
[01:39:08]  Because then you just sit around all night.
[01:39:10]  No, I'd know the bunch of trying to get him.
[01:39:11]  You'd go to the park while they were there.
[01:39:13]  No.
[01:39:14]  You go to the, and then they were, and you were like, everybody would hang out in the same places because that's how you found each other.
[01:39:19]  Look for all the bikes.
[01:39:20]  Look for all the bikes.
[01:39:21]  Yeah, but then you get beat up if they were the wrong kids.
[01:39:23]  I mean, did you get beat up a lot when you were a kid?
[01:39:26]  Not a lot.
[01:39:27]  But enough to learn that humans are vicious animals.

=== Mainstream Acceptance of Ideas (14:23) ===

[01:39:30]  That's not chanting.
[01:39:31]  That's not staying.
[01:39:31]  Yeah.
[01:39:32]  That's convenient.
[01:39:33]  I'm sorry.
[01:39:34]  Hey, it happened.
[01:39:34]  It was because I was too smart.
[01:39:36]  I would always raise my hand in class.
[01:39:37]  Yep.
[01:39:38]  I just started picking on the kids.
[01:39:39]  I mean, just he's so smart in the show.
[01:39:40]  Sometimes we all just want to get away from it.
[01:39:41]  I didn't realize that they were getting annoyed.
[01:39:43]  Rudyard's been just wincing and just growing up.
[01:39:46]  I'll call on me.
[01:39:46]  I'd raise my hand.
[01:39:47]  Obvious, easy answer.
[01:39:48]  They're just repeating.
[01:39:49]  Repeat what we already told you.
[01:39:50]  I'd answer.
[01:39:50]  Okay, next question.
[01:39:51]  They ask, no one, I'd raise my hand again, and they just look over me at the room like anyone, anyone?
[01:39:56]  Okay, Ian, I'd answer again.
[01:39:57]  Third time, they do it again.
[01:39:58]  No one answered.
[01:39:59]  I'd do it again.
[01:40:00]  Eventually, the kids turned on me like they thought I was trying to be too good or something.
[01:40:03]  You should have told them that you were just better than they are.
[01:40:05]  I didn't know that at the time, though.
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[01:40:20]  But let's see what you guys have to say.
[01:40:22]  Pinochet says, rule of law, LOL, there is no incentive to follow laws anymore, not to mention the laws and systems politicians skirt and ignore.
[01:40:30]  There will never be justice in this country again.
[01:40:32]  Not he's Pinochet.
[01:40:33]  Not never again.
[01:40:34]  Well, his name is actually Pinochet's Helicopter Tours.
[01:40:37]  Of course, he'd say that.
[01:40:37]  He's Pinochet.
[01:40:39]  Justice will come again, but only with moral homogeneity.
[01:40:45]  And I think every society goes through this where you have a moral homogeneity and then it ebbs and flows and then there's a clash.
[01:40:54]  This is the, weren't you saying, Rudyard, that like life is built upon opposition?
[01:40:59]  It is, yeah.
[01:41:00]  The duality of there must be opposition to our worldview for it to be challenged and evolve.
[01:41:06]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:41:07]  Otherwise, we just sit around like dodo birds.
[01:41:08]  You know, we'll just be all fat.
[01:41:10]  What's the best way to bring about homogeneous?
[01:41:14]  So that's what the liberal economic order wants.
[01:41:18]  They want global homogeny.
[01:41:21]  They want global homosexuality.
[01:41:23]  No, they want to know homogenization.
[01:41:27]  If you want homogeneity, you can either have everyone mate together or you can segment into smaller populations.
[01:41:36]  Well, they're trying that first one.
[01:41:37]  Yeah.
[01:41:38]  And I don't want a purely homogenous country because you look at Scandinavia.
[01:41:45]  Iceland.
[01:41:47]  They're all cousins.
[01:41:48]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:41:49]  But also, they're hyper-conformist societies.
[01:41:53]  And in a place as big as in America, we're not all going to be homogenous.
[01:41:56]  The question is, what groups are fighting each other?
[01:41:58]  Yeah, but they're happy to be conformist.
[01:42:00]  I don't think they are.
[01:42:01]  They have a super high suicide rate.
[01:42:03]  Well, that's because of the weather, though.
[01:42:04]  They're also all liberals and we love the gays, so you guys might not like that society, that world of order.
[01:42:09]  I got no issue with the gays.
[01:42:10]  Just, you know, do your thing somewhere else.
[01:42:11]  You know what I mean?
[01:42:11]  It's like, let me black out your country.
[01:42:14]  Might be willing to trans the kids.
[01:42:15]  No, the only issue I have with the trans is the kids, you know?
[01:42:17]  No kids.
[01:42:18]  They're a very liberal progressive society.
[01:42:20]  The liberal isn't the right word for that, though.
[01:42:22]  You know what I mean?
[01:42:22]  Which?
[01:42:23]  Like, it's not liberal to cut off a kid's hoo-hoo.
[01:42:26]  No, I would say that's progressive.
[01:42:28]  Yeah.
[01:42:28]  So you said they were liberal, and I'm like, well, you know.
[01:42:31]  Well, I value liberalism more than progressivism.
[01:42:33]  I have sensitivities to certain progressive values, but I don't even understand how the trans stuff is progressivism.
[01:42:38]  Is it like progressivism is like a really loose label for essentially like pushing dominantly for areas where the like the like high levels of minorities have been like disproportionately disaffected, basically?
[01:42:52]  I don't know.
[01:42:52]  Like the progressives of the early 1900s were eugenicists, is that the right word?
[01:42:57]  They were into eugenics.
[01:42:58]  I don't know if I would agree that the progressives were.
[01:43:00]  I would say that was a mainstream.
[01:43:01]  That was like the principles.
[01:43:01]  The progressives.
[01:43:02]  No, not the progressives.
[01:43:03]  That was the mainstream.
[01:43:04]  That was the mainstream.
[01:43:05]  No, those are the progressives.
[01:43:06]  Eugenics was mainstream more than it was progressive.
[01:43:08]  Eugenics was not a mainstream opinion.
[01:43:10]  It was an opinion pushed by small elites.
[01:43:13]  But the term progressive, it had a wildly different meaning from a century ago than today.
[01:43:18]  It used to be Woodrow Wilson was a progressive.
[01:43:21]  This is a fact, by the way.
[01:43:22]  Yeah, Thomas Soul talks about it.
[01:43:24]  Woodrow Wilson was super racist.
[01:43:26]  He was also pro-centralized state and pro-eugenics.
[01:43:30]  And what happened is the Marxists took over over time.
[01:43:34]  And with FDR, you saw a shifting of the term progressive.
[01:43:37]  And the term liberal got co-opted by leftists under FDR as well.
[01:43:41]  Sure.
[01:43:42]  It's just like such a, this is such a boring, uninteresting talking point.
[01:43:45]  It's like, were people of the past into bad things sometimes?
[01:43:49]  I find the entire FS.
[01:43:50]  It's a platform boring because it's inaccurate.
[01:43:53]  Good one.
[01:43:53]  Roy got him with that one, right?
[01:43:55]  Yeah, I did.
[01:43:56]  Changing of definitions of autism bullying at its finest.
[01:43:59]  So like when we, well, if we want to engage with the actual ideas here, right?
[01:44:02]  Like, okay, yeah, eugenics was popular, so was like phrenology, right?
[01:44:05]  And then these fell out of favor.
[01:44:06]  Although a certain level of soft eugenics has almost been held universally even to this date, right?
[01:44:11]  We just don't want to call it eugenics, right?
[01:44:13]  Like most people are okay, for example, with like making sure that we try to reduce over time rare diseases that cause immense suffering, right?
[01:44:20]  Like people are broadly okay with these ideas.
[01:44:23]  And so obviously I'm not a supporter of eugenics, but I think like saying like, it was just a left idea.
[01:44:27]  It's like, okay, I could just say conservatives just always really love slavery and just love slavery.
[01:44:32]  It's just like it's an unsophisticated, uninteresting way in way to engage with the ideas because it requires typifying an entire like half of political thought that has a massive amount of history that's unsatisfying.
[01:44:44]  It would be the same as if I did that to the conservative side, which I typically aim not to do.
[01:44:48]  You would say a different thing in a different context.
[01:44:51]  In a different context, we are talking about.
[01:44:53]  So in a different context where you're talking about what traits do you want to further inside the population?
[01:44:58]  Because you accept these principles.
[01:45:00]  And I'm not a big eugenics guy.
[01:45:02]  I don't support it.
[01:45:04]  I believe in a mating free market.
[01:45:08]  But so you're willing to accept the principles that are bad, like horrible illnesses.
[01:45:13]  But what principles are positive?
[01:45:14]  What are the positive genetic traits you'd select for?
[01:45:17]  There aren't positive genetic traits that I would like to select.
[01:45:20]  There are traits that make people more successful.
[01:45:22]  There are traits that make people more intelligent.
[01:45:23]  Yeah, but I don't want any level of state-level pressure to be selecting for that.
[01:45:26]  I think that would be bad.
[01:45:27]  You're willing to talk about it at the extremes, but you don't have a logically consistent code for what you're going to success.
[01:45:33]  Have you ever heard of the word pluralism?
[01:45:36]  But what does pluralism mean?
[01:45:37]  Pluralism means that you have irreducible moral values that often end up competing against one another.
[01:45:42]  This is what most democracies are built on.
[01:45:43]  For example, you've got like Hobbes and Locke that are talking about privacy versus freedom, right?
[01:45:47]  Privacy matters and freedom matters.
[01:45:49]  And the actual answer is in different circumstances, you might have to prioritize security, such as at the border, whereas we might prioritize freedom, such as people can't just come into your house without a warrant and take things or arrest you, right?
[01:46:00]  So we have these trade-offs all the time.
[01:46:02]  This is what pluralism is.
[01:46:02]  It's a very accepted standard thing.
[01:46:04]  What's the line between that and just making things up based off context for what sounds good?
[01:46:08]  Well, typically you would utilize philosophy to build a rational reason as to why certain values might matter more here.
[01:46:14]  This is what, like, what do you mean?
[01:46:16]  Do you think Hobbes and Locke just didn't really engage in philosophy?
[01:46:19]  They're just some silly billy guys who just like had preferences.
[01:46:22]  Hobbes and Locke would be radically right-wing by the current concept.
[01:46:24]  That's not what I asked.
[01:46:26]  Do you think Hobbes and Locke's were silly little guys that just cut them?
[01:46:29]  I'm asking you.
[01:46:30]  I'm asking it your moral philosophy.
[01:46:31]  I asked you about Hobbes and Locke.
[01:46:32]  Can you not answer it?
[01:46:33]  Were they silly little guys?
[01:46:34]  It's a comparison.
[01:46:35]  I'm making an analogy.
[01:46:36]  Hobbes.
[01:46:37]  Hobbes was operating under a radical modern monarchist perspective, and Locke was operating under a liberal perspective.
[01:46:44]  They both ground themselves in the Greco-Roman and the Western and the Abrahamic tradition.
[01:46:51]  Sure.
[01:46:51]  That's not the modern left.
[01:46:53]  The modern left is not operating on a similar level of rationality as those things.
[01:46:57]  Of course they are.
[01:46:57]  Most of the modern left is broadly built off of like Rawls and utilitarianism.
[01:47:02]  That's not true.
[01:47:03]  And here's the issue, right?
[01:47:04]  I can engage with conservatives and actually take their concept seriously.
[01:47:08]  I think some of the things that you said have been insightful and interesting and should be engaged with, and I've disagreed with some things.
[01:47:13]  The problem is that what you're doing instead is, I think I even heard you before saying, I don't even talk to anybody on the left anymore.
[01:47:18]  Plugging your ears and not engaging with opposition that actually has substantive ideas, especially if such a large population amount finds some of these ideas valuable, is just engage.
[01:47:28]  It's just intellectual naivety and baby behavior.
[01:47:32]  We got to grab more checks.
[01:47:33]  I want to engage with you in the way that you should engage with me in what I'm actually saying.
[01:47:37]  Answer my question.
[01:47:38]  Is Hobbes and Locke silly because they were engaging in a pluralistic question of what is the tension between these two irreducible values of things?
[01:47:45]  So the reason I reached that conclusion is because I've spent hundreds of hours or thousands of hours talking to leftists and I've read thousands of pages in the history of the world.
[01:47:53]  But you don't know me.
[01:47:54]  And I came to the conclusion.
[01:47:55]  I've seen your argument so far and I came to the conclusion.
[01:47:58]  Straw man half of my argument.
[01:47:59]  And I've came to the conclusion that the left is not rationally consistent and they're not morally consistent.
[01:48:04]  And so agree.
[01:48:07]  The right is anti-war, but they love Trump.
[01:48:09]  They're Christian values, but they have sex tests in their lives.
[01:48:13]  Sure, I can do this to the right too.
[01:48:15]  That's my point, is that it's a straw man.
[01:48:17]  Sure.
[01:48:18]  I believe you.
[01:48:19]  I believe you that you have talked to a progressive.
[01:48:20]  But the right is a composition, a coalition of disaffected liberals, libertarians, and conservatives.
[01:48:25]  The left is a coalition of progressives and liberals.
[01:48:27]  The left is a pro-black.
[01:48:28]  Because the left is not consistent, moderates who are rational.
[01:48:31]  Neither is the right because the right has to have a big tent.
[01:48:34]  No, no, you're talking about specific conservatives.
[01:48:36]  I am saying there is a, when you refer to the right, you're talking about a coalition in modern times, which includes disaffected liberals, moderates, and libertarians.
[01:48:44]  True.
[01:48:44]  They left the left because the left was morally and logically inconsistent.
[01:48:48]  I'll give you a question.
[01:48:49]  They left the left for tons of reasons.
[01:48:50]  Actually, probably the number one reason why they left the left wasn't just logic inconsistency.
[01:48:55]  It was abhorrent left behavior and censorship, right?
[01:48:57]  The way that the left treatment.
[01:48:59]  I would argue a lot of weird beliefs.
[01:49:02]  Like, what is a woman?
[01:49:06]  It's a performance.
[01:49:07]  I've already answered this question before.
[01:49:09]  This is exactly the point.
[01:49:10]  No, this is the word game.
[01:49:11]  We know what a woman is.
[01:49:12]  What's a chair?
[01:49:12]  What's a chair?
[01:49:14]  A chair is an object with four legs used for a human being to sit on it.
[01:49:17]  Is a stool with three legs not a chair?
[01:49:19]  It is a chair indeed.
[01:49:20]  Oh, okay.
[01:49:21]  But it didn't match your definition.
[01:49:22]  Well, because a stool is a subset of an object which is.
[01:49:25]  Yeah, we're doing the category.
[01:49:27]  So you're doing a performance that no one believes is real.
[01:49:30]  I'm the only one just willing to engage in the actual philosophy of the question here, right?
[01:49:35]  Rather than just doing some like silly conservation.
[01:49:36]  No, no, no, no.
[01:49:37]  I'm willing.
[01:49:37]  I just don't want to interrupt.
[01:49:38]  No, no, the point is.
[01:49:39]  Ian's always willing.
[01:49:40]  Women use words to convey ideas.
[01:49:42]  Sometimes we have a mismatch in the definition of words between cultures.
[01:49:46]  Everybody understands what is meant when someone says what is a woman.
[01:49:49]  That's why I said a performance.
[01:49:50]  If you said to me, what do you mean when you say a performance?
[01:49:52]  I'd say, by and large, when we say a woman, we mostly mean a person that has tits, that looks like a woman, that typically dresses like a woman and acts like a woman, right?
[01:50:00]  According to our society.
[01:50:01]  Yes, it is.
[01:50:02]  No.
[01:50:02]  Absolutely.
[01:50:03]  No.
[01:50:03]  Yes, because you didn't check my genitalia.
[01:50:05]  You didn't check my genitalia.
[01:50:06]  You made up left definition.
[01:50:07]  You looked at my breasts.
[01:50:08]  You look at the way that I'm fem presenting, that I have long hair and that I talk femininely, and I've talked about tampons and whatever else I've talked about.
[01:50:16]  I appreciate that.
[01:50:16]  It might be too, but come on.
[01:50:19]  I agree.
[01:50:20]  This is the issue.
[01:50:22]  No one uses the word to mean performance, and you know it and you are lying to say otherwise.
[01:50:26]  I'm not because I'm not because the gender movement just absolutely said, actually, let's separate woman from female.
[01:50:32]  A female is a biological.
[01:50:34]  People who would make the argument that the word woman means performance are progressive, hoity-toy individuals who pretend like they're smarter than other people.
[01:50:40]  This is the way language has always worked, right?
[01:50:42]  Yes, it absolutely is.
[01:50:44]  Language and definitions have absolutely shifted in utilization and what we mean them to use all the time.
[01:50:49]  This is why depression is a problem.
[01:50:50]  You want to create elements of weirdos.
[01:50:52]  And depression, the moderates leave.
[01:50:56]  Because you are logically inconsistent.
[01:50:57]  Well, it does something that's really interesting, which is that it creates basically a very simple thing.
[01:51:02]  It causes a major question.
[01:51:03]  It makes somebody look silly if they don't have an immediately satisfying answer.
[01:51:06]  But what it also is doing is it's employing a categorical error and utilizing that to say, see how simple this is?
[01:51:13]  And I would agree, yeah, 99% of the time.
[01:51:16]  Sure, but the issue is that, again, we have these fringe instances where it doesn't fall into it, which is why we utilize either language left.
[01:51:23]  We're talking about things like that.
[01:51:24]  You can argue that 2 plus 2 equals 5.
[01:51:25]  2 plus 2 equals 5.
[01:51:27]  I would say I disagree.
[01:51:28]  But I think the mainstream left did.
[01:51:30]  And they also could not define woman, despite the fact that everyone on the planet can.
[01:51:35]  And then moderates were like, these people are nuts.
[01:51:38]  The core assumption of the left is social constructionism, that you can use social categories to create reality and that the people in power through using social categories can fundamentally alter reality.
[01:51:51]  My core assumptions of reality, if you want to look at Aristotle or Plato, Aristotle said that material things exist and that material things are reflections of higher things, but you should assess the material things first.
[01:52:04]  Plato thought that the world we live in is a reflection of higher divine forms.
[01:52:09]  Western civilization has used these two different theories based on context to assess for different layers of reality.
[01:52:18]  And so the West has alternated between these two core theories, and these were the acceptable ones for how to structure reality.
[01:52:25]  We got to grab checks.
[01:52:28]  What's money?
[01:52:28]  Money is typically a universal trade medium that represents debt for exchange between individuals for something of value.
[01:52:34]  Can we shift and change what money actually means?
[01:52:36]  And have we?
[01:52:36]  What do you mean?
[01:52:37]  Well, in the past, for example, we utilize like loan sticks, and then we shifted to gold, for example.
[01:52:42]  Inflation.
[01:52:42]  And money is always.
[01:52:44]  Inflation is not the answer to the question.
[01:52:44]  It's a universal intermediary of value exchange.
[01:52:47]  That's right.
[01:52:47]  And money has always been the intermediary for value exchange.
[01:52:51]  Sure, but the way that we've observed and viewed money, the way that we've engaged with money, modern monetary theory.
[01:52:57]  Technology does not change the fact that a woman is an adult woman.
[01:53:01]  The issue is that when technology exists, we discovered that a lot of fundamental axioms that we held about the world are more complex and fractal than we would have to do.
[01:53:08]  I'm just going to say this again.
[01:53:09]  You do recognize that like 95% of people on the planet disagree with what you're saying.
[01:53:14]  Absolutely.
[01:53:14]  But the issue is, hold on, hold on.
[01:53:16]  At a quantum level, for example, 99% of the population would disagree.
[01:53:20]  If I say, if I'm not looking at the moon, if nobody observes it, does it exist?
[01:53:24]  Everyone would say, yeah, of course it exists.
[01:53:26]  But at a quantum, well, at a quantum level, no, it doesn't.
[01:53:30]  That's really true.
[01:53:30]  Yes, it is true.
[01:53:31]  Project permanent desired by baby in one year.
[01:53:34]  This is like the major quantum conversation that happened between Einstein and what's the problem.
[01:53:39]  You fundamentally misunderstand the double slit experiment.
[01:53:42]  Can we read more super channels?
[01:53:43]  This is not about the double slit experiment at all.
[01:53:44]  I don't even know why you're not.
[01:53:45]  Particle wave duality.
[01:53:46]  They both embrace uncertainty.
[01:53:47]  Yes, it is about particle wave duality.
[01:53:49]  Yes.
[01:53:50]  Okay.
[01:53:50]  We'll change the definition of the term current.
[01:53:52]  Schoener's cat and all that stuff.

=== Quantum Level Disagreement (03:32) ===

[01:53:53]  We get it.
[01:53:53]  All right.
[01:53:54]  Let's see what we got here.
[01:53:55]  Timothy Robinson says, always good to see you, Rudyard.
[01:53:59]  Rudyard Hist 102's Age of the Last Men was insightful.
[01:54:03]  Could I impose on you for a book suggestion of Cold War history?
[01:54:07]  The best Cold War history is John Lewis Gaddis's one.
[01:54:11]  I'm trying to think of any other ones.
[01:54:12]  Dan Carlin's got a great podcast, too.
[01:54:16]  Right on.
[01:54:17]  Cody Ellen says, What's your favorite death cab song, Tim?
[01:54:22]  Tremendous question.
[01:54:23]  I like the earlier albums.
[01:54:25]  President of What is one of my favorites?
[01:54:28]  I used to play it all the time on the guitar.
[01:54:29]  TV Trace is pretty good.
[01:54:31]  And then I would just say, like the thing about all their albums is every single song was good.
[01:54:37]  Title Registration has always been a big favorite of mine.
[01:54:39]  I could play that one.
[01:54:40]  And then, of course, Transatlanticism, Tiny Vessels, so good.
[01:54:47]  And We Looked Like Giants.
[01:54:50]  We looked like Giants may actually be my favorite.
[01:54:53]  It's a tough call.
[01:54:54]  What about Falkland?
[01:54:56]  You know, I like Transatlanticism.
[01:55:00]  Or the New Year, actually.
[01:55:01]  The New Year, because when I was in my, like, when that song came out, all of the hipster indie kids, like, we'd have a party on New Year's, and everybody would play the new year as soon as the new year hit because we were so cool.
[01:55:13]  But then also give a shout out to the Postal Service because that was good, too.
[01:55:16]  I Will Follow You Into the Dark.
[01:55:17]  Is that Death Cab?
[01:55:18]  Yes.
[01:55:18]  I love that song, man.
[01:55:19]  That's so good.
[01:55:20]  See, but that's overplayed.
[01:55:22]  You're talking about the OG stuff, bro.
[01:55:24]  He's going to be a hipster, man.
[01:55:25]  Someday you will die.
[01:55:27]  That song's so good.
[01:55:28]  Don't get a sword.
[01:55:28]  I'll be right behind.
[01:55:30]  But to be fair, Soulmate's Body is okay.
[01:55:32]  Crooked Teeth, I really do like.
[01:55:34]  I really just love, like, President of What?
[01:55:38]  Ben Gibbard is a master lyricist.
[01:55:40]  He knows how to do it.
[01:55:41]  I haven't listened to Death Camp in a long time, though.
[01:55:43]  They had a new song come out the other day.
[01:55:44]  Oh, wow.
[01:55:44]  Good for them.
[01:55:45]  All right, let's go.
[01:55:46]  Minor Zirkon says, this chick is a communist.
[01:55:48]  I thought we figured that out yesterday when she wanted the government to steal people's property.
[01:55:52]  That never happened.
[01:55:53]  Again, you can strawman me for as long as you want.
[01:55:56]  The issue is that I, in large part, come to Tim's show because I want to engage genuinely with people of opposing ideas.
[01:56:02]  If you can't do the same to me, that's fine, but that's a reflection of you.
[01:56:05]  No, no, actually, we all agree with you, but before you got here, we all talked to each other and said, let's just pretend like we don't.
[01:56:11]  They actually also, we voted for Kamala.
[01:56:13]  I'm not even going to lie.
[01:56:14]  We voted for Kamala.
[01:56:15]  Only when liberals show up, we change the format of the show.
[01:56:18]  Would you think it's right-wing?
[01:56:19]  Would you have voted for Kamala?
[01:56:21]  Yeah, probably.
[01:56:22]  I do like it because they selected her.
[01:56:23]  Not even probably.
[01:56:24]  Absolutely, unequivocally unquestionable.
[01:56:26]  The problem was they didn't have a primary, and it was like imperial selection.
[01:56:29]  That's like, I don't want to vote for imperial selection.
[01:56:31]  Sure, but it's better than somebody who tried to overthrow their own.
[01:56:34]  I got to read this.
[01:56:35]  I vote for Kamala.
[01:56:36]  I hate Mark Efferburn says, drug test your guests, Tim.
[01:56:40]  Okay.
[01:56:41]  Mythos says, Kami Mami, just to let you know, corporations are considered individuals under American law.
[01:56:46]  If you let another country screw over our business interests, you are letting them screw over the majority.
[01:56:50]  So that's a good thing, actually.
[01:56:53]  The law did it, so that's a good thing.
[01:56:55]  I thought it was funny that he called you Kami Mami.
[01:56:57]  Yeah, all of them are going to call me Kami.
[01:56:58]  I'm not a communist.
[01:56:59]  In fact, I spend a large portion of my content pushing.
[01:57:03]  Tim's the Great says, I live in rural Virginia.
[01:57:05]  If a pregnant cow, a heifer, crosses onto my land, neither the cow or calf become mine, and I could be killed if I try to say they are.
[01:57:12]  And birthright citizenship.
[01:57:15]  I want to take the cow.
[01:57:18]  Methos says, Jesus is the third temple.
[01:57:20]  His return is the fulfillment of the prophecies.
[01:57:22]  He said before his death, tear this temple down and I will rebuild it in three days.

=== Spurious Correlation Analysis (03:25) ===

[01:57:26]  He came back to life in three days.
[01:57:28]  Interesting.
[01:57:31]  All right.
[01:57:32]  Let's see what we got going over here on this YouTube.
[01:57:35]  We got a bunch of big, big super chats here around this.
[01:57:39]  Big ones.
[01:57:40]  Big, very big.
[01:57:41]  Very big.
[01:57:42]  Some say too big, but it's okay.
[01:57:43]  The biggest, the best.
[01:57:44]  Madcap vlog says, I got a question for Rudyard.
[01:57:47]  Have you looked into astrology and the 84-year Uranus cycle?
[01:57:51]  The last Neptune was in Aries.
[01:57:54]  The last Neptune was in Aries was the Civil War.
[01:57:57]  The last time Pluto was in Aquarius was the American Revolution.
[01:58:00]  Is it real?
[01:58:01]  I have not studied astrology.
[01:58:03]  I have not put significant effort into it.
[01:58:05]  I heard there were studies by the CIA studying it that thought that I heard the CIA did research that there are correlations in political events and astrology, but I haven't looked deeply into that.
[01:58:15]  We're talking about Newton and how he was into alchemy.
[01:58:18]  Newton was into alchemy and these things were all part of the same coherent pre-modern worldview, but I have not sunk a lot of time into astrology.
[01:58:27]  Personally, I feel like the planets, if it is a magnetic universe, which evidence is pointing at, that they're like lenses, radiation lenses, so that the radiation passes through planetary bodies and it can super accelerate and leave imprints on your body when it comes out of the mom's EMF frequency body.
[01:58:44]  You're exposed to the radiation and it imprints something on you.
[01:58:47]  Might have something to do with what their stars and planets are.
[01:58:49]  People generally believe that the planets inform stuff over history.
[01:58:55]  What I would best guess is it's a correlation thing, that the planets operate under certain underlying correlations we're not aware of, and that these correlations operate across the universe.
[01:59:06]  Because lots, like, you know, the suicide rate is correlated with the yo-yo purchasing rate.
[01:59:10]  And no one thinks that buying yo-yos causes suicide.
[01:59:15]  I do now.
[01:59:16]  Have you ever seen the website, Spurious Correlations?
[01:59:18]  Yeah, I have.
[01:59:18]  It's great, right?
[01:59:21]  Spurious correlations.
[01:59:23]  This site's been around forever.
[01:59:24]  It's so good.
[01:59:25]  Here we go.
[01:59:27]  Google searches, let's see, the number of movies Dwayne Johnson appeared in correlates with Google searches for zombies.
[01:59:35]  Popularity of the first name Caroline inversely correlates with Newmont's stock price.
[01:59:42]  Interesting.
[01:59:44]  Google searches for zombies correlates with the number of real estate agents in North Dakota.
[01:59:49]  Interesting.
[01:59:50]  The distance between Neptune and Mercury correlates with petroleum consumption in Azerbaijan.
[01:59:55]  Whoa.
[01:59:56]  That proves it something.
[01:59:57]  And it's from 92 to 2017, too.
[02:00:00]  Right, right, right.
[02:00:01]  All these different timelines, interesting.
[02:00:03]  I wonder why that can't hold to a consistent timeline for their claims.
[02:00:06]  The popularity of the press F to Pay Respects meme correlates with Boeing's stock price.
[02:00:11]  Naturally.
[02:00:12]  I wonder what happened before 2006.
[02:00:15]  Probably the same thing.
[02:00:16]  Or before 2011 or before 2004, 1999.
[02:00:19]  Interesting.
[02:00:19]  Obviously, exactly what you found.
[02:00:21]  Can you just take a little snapshot of them?
[02:00:22]  Yeah, I love that.
[02:00:24]  The number of breweries in the U.S. correlates with Amazon stock price.
[02:00:27]  That is not a spurious correlation.
[02:00:29]  That is not at all a spurious correlation.
[02:00:31]  Because they bought Whole Foods and they put breweries in the Whole Foods.
[02:00:33]  No, Amazon stocks themselves are sentient and they buy beer.
[02:00:37]  No, because Amazon's growth correlates directly with the shuttering of box stores and local businesses, which creates open vacant buildings by which people try to fill them with a service that Amazon does not provide.

=== Stock Price Meme Trends (06:08) ===

[02:00:51]  So your local butcher gets shut down, your local packaging store gets shut down, whatever Amazon.com can replace, there are now empty buildings in your city center.
[02:01:00]  And what can't Amazon make?
[02:01:01]  A brewery to hang out, play games, and drink.
[02:01:03]  So this actually makes sense.
[02:01:05]  Interesting.
[02:01:06]  They do have sell beer, like in the Whole Foods in Venice, California, on Rose and 7th.
[02:01:10]  We would go hang out at the bar in the Whole Foods.
[02:01:14]  Let's grab this one from the Apostle James says, I'm a combat veteran, 22 years in the USMC infantry, six combat deployments.
[02:01:21]  I can tell that Kyla has never experienced real adversity, let alone seconds to assess potential life and death danger.
[02:01:26]  Okay, just to front loan this.
[02:01:28]  That's the hop.
[02:01:29]  No, I was serially sexually abused from zero to three.
[02:01:33]  I worked for, it's fine, it's nobody's fault.
[02:01:36]  One of the worst things that I think that we do on all of these types of political conversations is we engage in thought termination, right?
[02:01:41]  We use cliches that will make our audiences happy, like being like, what is your woman?
[02:01:46]  It's like, okay, I can just scream, Trump's a pedophile, and my audiences will be happy too.
[02:01:50]  I think one of the worst things that we also do is we assume a lot about each other, right?
[02:01:53]  You've assumed, for example, that there's no substance that you can engage with me on, which is unfortunate because I haven't assumed that about you, despite the fact that I haven't been overly impressed by any of you.
[02:02:02]  You've never been in a life-and-death situation, right?
[02:02:04]  Yes, I have.
[02:02:05]  I've had children chase me with axes.
[02:02:07]  I worked for high-risk youth.
[02:02:09]  I spent most of my career in jails working with both young sex offenders and their victims.
[02:02:14]  But they're getting chased by dude that's a very good idea.
[02:02:16]  I'm not a combat.
[02:02:16]  I'm not a combat veteran, and I would never, ever begin to take that away from people or steal that valor.
[02:02:22]  But have you ever been shot at?
[02:02:23]  People pretending.
[02:02:24]  No, I haven't, but I'm Canadian.
[02:02:26]  We don't have guns.
[02:02:27]  Well, that's crazy, right?
[02:02:28]  We have the next question.
[02:02:31]  Close, actually.
[02:02:32]  Very close.
[02:02:33]  And I'm sure someone said after our hockey team beat the Canadians, they have to give each person in America 40 acres and a moose.
[02:02:40]  I agree.
[02:02:41]  Yeah, but you get only the Northern Territory, so nobody cares.
[02:02:44]  In Roger's defense, he did ask you what your philosophy.
[02:02:46]  When you guys were going at it, he asked you what your philosophy was, but it kind of got ignored.
[02:02:49]  Sure, the reason why I'm saying that he's not engaging with me is he just keeps insisting you're morally inconsistent.
[02:02:54]  And it's like, I'm a pluralist.
[02:02:56]  Being pluralistic necessary, like, it doesn't mean that I'm not, I can't be inconsistent, but you can just ask me, how do you draw the through line of your foreign policy?
[02:03:04]  And I'll give it to you.
[02:03:06]  But instead, you assume things about my foreign policy.
[02:03:08]  I think the point you understand is that, like, I'm going to say this.
[02:03:11]  So, the reason I say this is that I've spent a very significant amount of time studying the philosophy of the left.
[02:03:17]  And the left uses various rhetorical games.
[02:03:19]  And when I hear them, I just throw them out.
[02:03:21]  Because the rhetoric, you've used many.
[02:03:23]  So when I hear the rhetorical games, I hear the mental filtering process they're used for.
[02:03:27]  But what is a woman?
[02:03:28]  Isn't a rhetorical game?
[02:03:29]  What are we talking about?
[02:03:30]  I'm done.
[02:03:31]  So I'm not done.
[02:03:32]  So, I'll ask you after.
[02:03:33]  When you look at how the left operates, they have a series of mental games they use, and they have a series of filtering consumes.
[02:03:41]  Why don't we start off the uncensored show with this?
[02:03:43]  So just keep that location.
[02:03:45]  We're going to jump over to the uncensored portion.
[02:03:46]  Also, comie mummy-based.
[02:03:48]  I'm taking it.
[02:03:48]  Rumble.com.
[02:03:50]  Common mummy.
[02:03:50]  Rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds, and then we'll add swear words to the arguments.
[02:03:55]  You can follow me on Axe and Instagram at Timcast.
[02:03:57]  Roger, do you want to shout anything out?
[02:03:59]  You could watch my shows.
[02:04:00]  I'm just here, man.
[02:04:02]  Just load it up.
[02:04:04]  So I should start now?
[02:04:05]  No, we're going to shout out someone's jover.
[02:04:08]  So, Kylo, what's up?
[02:04:09]  Yeah.
[02:04:09]  Hey, not so erudite.
[02:04:10]  If you actually want to engage in substance, that's kind of the thing that I do.
[02:04:14]  I don't care what you think.
[02:04:16]  I care how you are.
[02:04:16]  Oh, no.
[02:04:18]  Yes, it's not about what, it's about how.
[02:04:20]  We are bridging the gap.
[02:04:21]  Literally, the future is reliant on people continuing to communicate in high-stress situations like this.
[02:04:27]  So keep it going.
[02:04:28]  Ian's a dogged subscriber.
[02:04:30]  You can't trust anything he says about this.
[02:04:31]  All I want is to preserve righteousness throughout.
[02:04:35]  We got to define all those terms.
[02:04:36]  I'm at Ian Crossland.
[02:04:37]  Follow me there, Carter Banks.
[02:04:38]  Man, this has been a really great discussion.
[02:04:40]  Thank you both for coming out.
[02:04:42]  And I'm really excited for the after-show.
[02:04:43]  You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere.
[02:04:45]  Phil.
[02:04:46]  I am Phil the Remains on Twix.
[02:04:48]  You can check out my Patreon.
[02:04:50]  That is patreon.com/slash Phil the Remains.
[02:04:52]  The band is all that remains.
[02:04:53]  We're going on tour this spring.
[02:04:54]  We're going to be out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes.
[02:04:57]  We start April 29th in Albany.
[02:05:00]  You can check out tickets.
[02:05:02]  You can get tickets at alltheremainsonline.com.
[02:05:04]  You can check out the band's music at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify, and Deezer.
[02:05:08]  Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
[02:05:10]  We will see you all over at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds.
[02:05:14]  Thanks for hanging out.
[02:06:20]  Did you want to wait for Kyla to come back before you met here?
[02:06:22]  Yeah, I'll wait for her.
[02:06:23]  I'll play a song then in the meantime.
[02:06:25]  So quick, Phil, talk about something.
[02:06:28]  So today what do you actually, I'm going to go after?
[02:06:33]  No, I think okay, you've only got four strings on that thing.
[02:06:35]  Oh, it's four strings and they're not even the busted ones.
[02:06:38]  I'm using the high E and the G. Probably get some strings delivered, I bet.
[02:06:44]  The body feels nice on it.
[02:06:46]  Does it feel nice?
[02:06:47]  Yeah, it was dusty.
[02:06:48]  It hadn't been touched in like months.
[02:06:50]  It's almost loose.
[02:06:51]  Yeah, I tuned it up earlier.
[02:06:52]  I think the high, what is it, the B string is tweaking.
[02:06:58]  Sambles along here.

=== Presumptions About Leftists (09:42) ===

[02:07:00]  Yeah.
[02:07:01]  Broke into the old apartment.
[02:07:04]  I think so, yeah.
[02:07:05]  That's a good song.
[02:07:06]  Yeah.
[02:07:07]  42 steps from the street.
[02:07:09]  You know that song?
[02:07:10]  I think there's a capo on three for that.
[02:07:14]  I got three strings to work with, so there's no minors.
[02:07:18]  You can still get most of it.
[02:07:19]  I mean, you get three strings.
[02:07:19]  You get most of the chords.
[02:07:21]  No.
[02:07:22]  You try heads.
[02:07:23]  Here you go.
[02:07:34]  What was the big news that we were gonna talk about?
[02:07:36]  Kyla, what is it that you were running your face about earlier?
[02:07:41]  Nothing?
[02:07:42]  Running your face about?
[02:07:43]  She was talking about philosophy, you and Rudyard.
[02:07:47]  The topic of the after-show is going to be talking about.
[02:07:56]  The left changing the goalposts of definitions, is that a good way to tap it up?
[02:08:01]  There's one thing that I don't understand about your, but one of the things that you consistently say, right?
[02:08:06]  So you consider yourself not a leftist, right?
[02:08:10]  Well, by leftist, in my camp, when you say leftists, and when we say leftist, we mean like they're edging into like pure communist.
[02:08:17]  Yeah, okay.
[02:08:17]  Not a communist.
[02:08:18]  Okay, so that's fair.
[02:08:19]  I'm very doggedly, aggressively opposed to communism.
[02:08:23]  Okay, so, but there are, so would you consider yourself postmodernist?
[02:08:27]  I'm also a liberal.
[02:08:28]  No, not a postodernist, because I believe in like moral objectivity.
[02:08:32]  So then, so the way that you use words oftentimes does sound like postmodernism, at least in my ears.
[02:08:41]  When you're talking about, when you're talking about like, oh, you know, for instance, the what is a woman question.
[02:08:45]  Yeah, the idea that the word itself doesn't actually have any meaning.
[02:08:52]  It's more, so I think that, I think one of the worst things, so as somebody who actually loves Jordan Peterson a lot, I think one of the worst things that he did is just excuse all of postmodernism.
[02:09:00]  I think there's a valid and important critique that we need to engage with, which is that a lot of the things in society that we presume are objective and dogged and material and must be this way oftentimes are kind of circumstantially erected and also circumstantially deposed.
[02:09:15]  And I think that that's an important conversation to have because we assume so many things that are immutable, oftentimes on a basis that we can't really ground out.
[02:09:23]  And I think that that's a conversation worth having because it's valid, in my view, to figure out what is unchanging, why one does equal one, and how do we substantiate that.
[02:09:33]  Deus Wolt, that's why.
[02:09:35]  The reason I said that is I've spent a significant amount of time studying the left and I read thousands of pages in the origin of the left alive yet?
[02:09:43]  Their internal logic structure.
[02:09:45]  And the left's predominant motivator is power and they say whatever they can to get power.
[02:09:49]  Is that me?
[02:09:51]  I'm not done yet.
[02:09:52]  And so when you look at women, when you look at the left, they have a variety of arguments they use, and they change definitions you can't hold them.
[02:10:03]  And they'll alternate a definition based on context for whatever can allow them to have power.
[02:10:08]  And so the term liberal can have five different meanings based on context.
[02:10:12]  The term leftist can have five different meanings.
[02:10:14]  Same thing as working class, same thing as women.
[02:10:16]  And they do this.
[02:10:17]  You can't hold them down to a singular thing.
[02:10:19]  And so when I hear leftist arguments, I know that the person's operating under that system.
[02:10:24]  And so most leftists, and this has been proven through studies, have a quite uniform worldview.
[02:10:30]  And so if you can know one of their opinions, you'll know the rest.
[02:10:33]  And once you can see the games with alternating logic structures, you know what's going on because the foundational argument behind the left, and this stems back to the 19th century, is that reality is socially constructed.
[02:10:46]  And if someone believes that reality is socially constructed, you can't hold them to an underlying argument because they're going to keep changing definitions until they can get more power.
[02:10:55]  Okay, so if you want to engage with me, I think one thing that we have to establish is that if you front load a whole bunch of information, I either have to monologue back at you, which is boring, or we have to go point by point.
[02:11:06]  So I'll say, I'll begin at the beginning.
[02:11:08]  Am I the left or am I Kyla?
[02:11:10]  Individuals operate within groups.
[02:11:13]  Am I the left or am I Kyla?
[02:11:14]  You are both.
[02:11:15]  But the thing is, it's very rare that people are.
[02:11:19]  How can I be both?
[02:11:20]  me explain it's very rare that people have wishy-washy what those definitions are Can you explain?
[02:11:24]  Well, how am I both the left?
[02:11:26]  You're not going to answer you.
[02:11:28]  I'm doing the thing.
[02:11:29]  It's very rare that individuals have viewpoints that are theirs.
[02:11:33]  And that stems from having a data set distinct from the population.
[02:11:38]  There's only a handful of free thinkers at any given era of history.
[02:11:41]  The vast majority of people replicate the views that their group has.
[02:11:45]  And so in almost every case, if you hear a handful of someone's views, you can assess the rest of their views because humans are innately troubled.
[02:11:52]  I'm not going to say that I'm Christian or non-Christian.
[02:11:54]  I don't know.
[02:11:55]  Take a guess.
[02:11:56]  It seems like you can assume all my views based on your claim.
[02:11:58]  So you said I'm the left and Kyla.
[02:12:00]  So what are all the views that I've assumed?
[02:12:01]  Am I Christian or not?
[02:12:02]  I can make a probabilistic bet based on context.
[02:12:05]  What is it?
[02:12:06]  I don't think your Christianity matters.
[02:12:08]  What do you put it at?
[02:12:09]  I would think that you would say you're Christian, but you don't actually follow Christian moral code.
[02:12:13]  Why would you suddenly say that?
[02:12:14]  Because Christianity has a series of assumptions that make sense in a pre-modern culture that people can say when they translate into a modern culture.
[02:12:24]  Where lots of people who, if they lived 300 years ago, would not be Christian.
[02:12:28]  Are you Christian or non-Christian?
[02:12:30]  You're in an indeterminate space that allows plausible deniability.
[02:12:33]  That's a really great way to determine.
[02:12:35]  I didn't agree with that.
[02:12:35]  No, the reason I'm saying is every single thing the left says allows plausible deniability because plausible deniability is the currency where the left can't make it.
[02:12:44]  So you can simultaneously, out of one side of your mouth, insist that based on some factors of things that you've heard and all the left that you've studied, you could just assume all of my positions and then I go, great, assume one of my positions.
[02:12:55]  And you go, oh, well, I can't actually be.
[02:12:57]  I'm saying that because I'm mirroring great.
[02:12:59]  Great predictivity.
[02:13:01]  Because if this was a normal historic society like Confucian China or Islam of established principles that everyone in said society agrees to, what the left does is they pick positions that allow an enormous amount of plausible deniability.
[02:13:17]  So you can say you're Christian, but you don't actually follow a Christian moral code.
[02:13:20]  And that allows you to appeal to Christians to work with them, but then not actually follow the moral code.
[02:13:26]  And this is what the left does strategically.
[02:13:28]  And so when I see these games, I just automatically shove people in that bracket.
[02:13:34]  So you can assume everything about me, but you also can't know, you can't actually give me a certain amount of time.
[02:13:38]  Because that's a leftist strategy.
[02:13:40]  No, you're doing it.
[02:13:41]  Yes, you're doing the leftist strategy because you're denying that.
[02:13:43]  You're saying, I'm not doing this thing.
[02:13:45]  I can just say things.
[02:13:46]  For example, I don't quite know what your politics are.
[02:13:48]  You seem conservative.
[02:13:49]  I wouldn't be surprised if maybe you're a natural lawist, because it seems like you're maybe not into, like, it seems like you're not a theist, but I'm not really sure, right?
[02:13:56]  So I wouldn't be surprised if you're a natural law objectivist, but I could be wrong, right?
[02:13:59]  These would be some presumptions.
[02:14:01]  But what you'll notice is I'm not assigning you any of these positions.
[02:14:04]  What you've done in this conversation is you have assigned me positions that you're assuming, and now when I'm holding your feet to the fire and saying, put some fucking money on it, you can't do it.
[02:14:11]  You can't label me Christian or non-Christian.
[02:14:13]  You have to exist in the plausible deniability because you're wrong.
[02:14:16]  You don't know anything about me.
[02:14:17]  You can't predict my position.
[02:14:18]  Because anthropologically, the left lies.
[02:14:21]  And so when I see someone fits in that category.
[02:14:23]  That's anthropologically the left lies.
[02:14:25]  Can you, what does that mean?
[02:14:26]  Because the left has a strategy where they can have an enormous amount of plausible deniability.
[02:14:29]  Isn't that what you're doing right now?
[02:14:30]  To change, okay, if I'm.
[02:14:31]  How do you not have plausible deniability by saying, I can assume everything about you based on a couple of things that you've said, but also when you ask me to label me, I can't actually know.
[02:14:39]  How are.
[02:14:39]  Aren't you just existing in a plausible, deniable state?
[02:14:42]  I would say that you would say you're Christian, but you don't actually follow Christian morality.
[02:14:46]  And how would you establish whether I follow Christian morality?
[02:14:49]  Because if you were to go back 500 years ago into a society that was fully Christian, they would say you were a heretic.
[02:14:56]  Christianity hasn't updated and changed?
[02:14:58]  Because there's a set rule book called the Bible, and if you do not follow the rule book, you're not a Christian.
[02:15:03]  And that was the established rule kit.
[02:15:05]  And what the left does is it creates games where you can muddle the ground.
[02:15:08]  And when you muddle the ground.
[02:15:10]  Aren't the Christians muddling the ground?
[02:15:11]  Eastern Orthodox don't believe in the filioque, but the Catholics do, so who's right there?
[02:15:15]  Which version?
[02:15:16]  Every single thing you say muddies the water and you're not establishing categories of thinking.
[02:15:21]  What I'm doing is I'm trying to establish.
[02:15:23]  Is the filioque true?
[02:15:26]  Wait, so is Christianity concrete and simple and knowable, and there's a strict moral code that all Christians follow?
[02:15:32]  Or are there actually massive diasporas and different opinions on these things?
[02:15:36]  Which is it?
[02:15:36]  You're muddying the water.
[02:15:37]  How am I muddying the water?
[02:15:38]  I'm asking a very specific question.
[02:15:40]  Which is it?
[02:15:40]  Is it A or B?
[02:15:42]  I am establishing logical categories.
[02:15:44]  What you're trying to do is establish logical binaries.
[02:15:47]  So if I pick the wrong binary, I have the wrong choice.
[02:15:50]  So what I'm saying is that the left.
[02:15:52]  Isn't that what you're doing to me by saying I'm the left, so I must have these positions and you can't engage with me?
[02:15:56]  Aren't you engaging in a binary there?
[02:15:57]  You're saying, well, you're left, Kyla, so why would I listen to you or take any substance from you?
[02:16:02]  You're left.
[02:16:03]  There's nothing I can take.
[02:16:04]  It's not a problem.
[02:16:04]  You haven't demonstrated that you're one.
[02:16:06]  You exist.
[02:16:08]  You've talked a lot.
[02:16:09]  You haven't demonstrated that you exist outside of group categories.
[02:16:13]  Sure, I have.
[02:16:15]  How?
[02:16:16]  I'm here.
[02:16:16]  I think yesterday I had criticized Hillary Clinton.
[02:16:19]  I acknowledge.
[02:16:21]  Well, I acknowledged that the left is a lot of people.
[02:16:22]  Yeah, but after the show, she was like, I love Hillary so much.
[02:16:25]  That's not true.
[02:16:27]  I agreed and established.
[02:16:29]  I need to get water soon.
[02:16:29]  My mouth is super dry.
[02:16:31]  I agreed.
[02:16:31]  Thank you so much.
[02:16:32]  I agreed and established, for example, that the left mistreated and was wrong in how they engaged with the right from like 2016 to 2022, which most partisan hacks won't agree with me.
[02:16:40]  Okay, wait, prove you're not left.

=== Gender Dysphoria Perspectives (09:20) ===

[02:16:42]  Say you like Donald Trump.
[02:16:43]  I don't need to prove I'm not left.
[02:16:44]  Say you love Donald Trump.
[02:16:46]  I don't need to do that.
[02:16:47]  I don't need to prove that I'm left.
[02:16:48]  I need to prove.
[02:16:49]  All that needs to happen is he needs to prove that I cannot fall outside of my stereotype.
[02:16:53]  So what?
[02:16:54]  Which is why he was not.
[02:16:55]  I think he's trying.
[02:16:56]  You've put the right.
[02:16:57]  I can do this too.
[02:16:58]  Trump's a pedophile.
[02:16:59]  Trump's a pedophile.
[02:17:00]  I can do thought-terminating conversations.
[02:17:02]  You're doing what I said you would.
[02:17:03]  No, no, I'm not.
[02:17:04]  Tell me that's not the same thing.
[02:17:05]  Tell me, Trump's a pedophile.
[02:17:08]  Trump's a pedophile.
[02:17:09]  Okay.
[02:17:10]  I think you proved that you're not.
[02:17:11]  What is a psycho?
[02:17:13]  Somebody who performs like a woman.
[02:17:14]  You see, this is why you're on the left.
[02:17:16]  Nope, it's not.
[02:17:17]  That is a left moral.
[02:17:19]  Can children be trans?
[02:17:21]  No.
[02:17:21]  Okay, well it seems like, wait, do they just magically become trans at 18?
[02:17:25]  Can adults be trans?
[02:17:27]  I'd argue if they can experience gender dysphoria.
[02:17:30]  Oh, okay.
[02:17:31]  So adults can, but kids can't?
[02:17:33]  Yeah, no, I don't think so.
[02:17:34]  Okay, so suddenly at 18, magically gender dysphoria turns on transition.
[02:17:37]  I think it's post-pubescent, a period between that and adulthood.
[02:17:40]  They start to experience gender dysphoria.
[02:17:44]  Pre-pubescent, no.
[02:17:46]  Teenagers at some point post-pubescent, switchers, minors, kids, yeah.
[02:17:49]  So I'm glad we can clarify those definitions.
[02:17:51]  Yeah, so pre-pubescent, no, like jazz genetics, absolutely not.
[02:17:54]  Well, it's interesting, actually, when you look at gender dysphoria study, there's three major areas where dysphoria seems to emerge.
[02:17:59]  The most extreme and common one is actually at like three years old, and then there's the going through puberty patients.
[02:18:04]  Which is dramatically different from what a 20-year-old is experiencing.
[02:18:08]  I agree that they're different, but you said trans kids can't exist, and obviously they can.
[02:18:12]  So you're using an umbrella term to refer to two different phenomenon.
[02:18:16]  Trans?
[02:18:16]  Is it an umbrella term?
[02:18:18]  Yes.
[02:18:18]  Yeah, I'm saying.
[02:18:19]  The gender dysphoria experienced by a three-year-old is fundamentally different from a 21-year-old.
[02:18:23]  Of course, that's a good idea.
[02:18:23]  That is the concept of sex.
[02:18:25]  Sure, that can be true.
[02:18:26]  And at the same time, when you say trans people can't be, like kids can't be trans, the answer is that's not true, and you don't even believe that.
[02:18:33]  You don't think that you don't think that they should be treated in the way that adults can be treated.
[02:18:37]  That's the actual thing.
[02:18:38]  I actually think adults shouldn't be allowed to do it either.
[02:18:40]  Sure.
[02:18:41]  Wait, what's the difference then?
[02:18:42]  Why can adults be trans and kids can't be trans?
[02:18:44]  See, well, hold on.
[02:18:45]  See, this is why I'm going to say the left because that's not what I said.
[02:18:48]  Yeah, I asked you, can adults be trans?
[02:18:50]  Can you experience gender dysphoria?
[02:18:51]  Gender dysphoria.
[02:18:52]  Which is fundamentally different from a three-year-old who has gender confusion.
[02:18:56]  So a three-year-old that maintains gender confusion, when does it switch from gender confusion to gender dysphoria?
[02:19:01]  Probably sexual development.
[02:19:03]  Okay.
[02:19:04]  Okay.
[02:19:05]  And so at 13, we call it?
[02:19:07]  Three-year-olds don't really have that presence of mind.
[02:19:10]  Sure.
[02:19:12]  They don't know what a woman is.
[02:19:13]  They don't know what sex is.
[02:19:15]  Can three-year-olds experience trauma?
[02:19:17]  Well, yeah.
[02:19:17]  Yes, they can.
[02:19:18]  Yes.
[02:19:19]  I agree.
[02:19:20]  Does trauma in three-year-olds typically present in the way that they present in like a 21-year-old?
[02:19:24]  No.
[02:19:25]  Right.
[02:19:25]  Uh-huh.
[02:19:26]  Yeah.
[02:19:26]  So you're using trans to describe two different phenomena in gender dysphoria.
[02:19:30]  Well, in this case, I'm using trauma to describe two physical.
[02:19:32]  So what I would say is this.
[02:19:33]  Three-year-olds who have the possibility of a gender confusion, it's because of conditioning from their parents.
[02:19:39]  If a child is not introduced something, it doesn't know it exists.
[02:19:41]  In fact, they teach you this when you're raising kids.
[02:19:44]  For instance, our doctor told us, do not introduce sweets for the first year.
[02:19:47]  The baby won't know what sweets are, and that will affect its neural development.
[02:19:51]  So when you have a three-year-old and the parents are like, are you a girl?
[02:19:54]  Are you a girl?
[02:19:54]  Wear a dress.
[02:19:55]  The kid's going to be retarded.
[02:19:56]  The issue is that the phenomenon of three-year-olds being, like, having gender dysphoria or gender confusion, as you want to call it, emerged long before the major trans come up.
[02:20:05]  In fact, we saw this even in like studies.
[02:20:06]  How come there weren't trans studies in the 70s?
[02:20:08]  How come there are no trans kids in Ohio, but they're in California?
[02:20:11]  There probably are trans kids in Ohio.
[02:20:14]  Right, statistically, according to the data and the science.
[02:20:17]  There's zero in Ohio.
[02:20:20]  We don't need to be hyperbolic.
[02:20:21]  There's dramatically less.
[02:20:23]  Well, this is a different class.
[02:20:24]  And there's dramatically less.
[02:20:25]  I grew up in Ohio.
[02:20:26]  Doctor says, when I pretended to be Wonder Woman, my mom said, you're going to be an actor.
[02:20:30]  She didn't say, oh, my God, I think you're a girl.
[02:20:31]  She said, you're probably very creative in the world.
[02:20:32]  It's called a prediction game.
[02:20:34]  Do you think that I think that there is a canary syndrome of gender dysphoria?
[02:20:38]  I think that the strategy you've picked allows picking individual issues where you can disagree with the broader body to say that you're independent while agreeing with them in 90% of stuff.
[02:20:48]  That is called the existence of appealing to – are you conservative?
[02:20:53]  That's called feminism.
[02:20:55]  Do you agree with everything every conservative says?
[02:20:58]  Every single thing you said is muddying categories.
[02:21:00]  You've been trying to.
[02:21:01]  Are you a conservative?
[02:21:02]  Yes, I am.
[02:21:02]  Do you agree with everything conservatives say?
[02:21:04]  No, I don't.
[02:21:05]  No, you don't.
[02:21:06]  Good job.
[02:21:07]  You're catching up.
[02:21:07]  Good job, buddy.
[02:21:08]  We're there.
[02:21:08]  There's a decision.
[02:21:09]  Congratulations.
[02:21:10]  Welcome to the conversation.
[02:21:11]  Going back to the trans kids, Tim, what I'm trying to say with you being on the left.
[02:21:14]  We've got a trans category.
[02:21:16]  Yep.
[02:21:16]  Right?
[02:21:17]  We're not arguing.
[02:21:18]  Your worldview is leftist.
[02:21:20]  And I think we can establish that.
[02:21:21]  She's like, what does this label mean?
[02:21:23]  Exactly.
[02:21:24]  You proved my point.
[02:21:25]  It's not proving its mind.
[02:21:26]  You're muddying categories.
[02:21:28]  Exactly.
[02:21:28]  Hold on.
[02:21:29]  Hold on.
[02:21:29]  Me saying some definitions are hard to know is valid.
[02:21:34]  You said this.
[02:21:35]  You've said progressivism has been loose and moved over time.
[02:21:38]  This is obviously true of all language.
[02:21:40]  I can argue this.
[02:21:42]  Gender dysphoria and trans.
[02:21:44]  No, you're not dysphoria.
[02:21:46]  I'm going to mute you.
[02:21:46]  I will mute you because we are going to steer through your mind.
[02:21:49]  We are not debating trans.
[02:21:50]  The point was.
[02:21:51]  Tyler has a leftist moral worldview, and she changed the argument into trans for no fucking reason.
[02:21:57]  So I am not going to open this up to shift the conversation.
[02:22:00]  I think just as we change the conversation.
[02:22:03]  The conversation that Rudyard brought up is that you are a moral worldview leftist.
[02:22:07]  You then ask.
[02:22:08]  What do you mean by that?
[02:22:09]  I said.
[02:22:10]  You don't define woman.
[02:22:12]  Your worldview is of the left.
[02:22:14]  It's one thing.
[02:22:15]  I don't define woman.
[02:22:16]  Yes, you just define it.
[02:22:17]  But I did.
[02:22:18]  You just don't like my definition.
[02:22:19]  Your definition is a leftist definition.
[02:22:21]  Sure, but in the same way that I would say, oh, yours is a conservative definition.
[02:22:24]  You are pretending not to be on the left, but you literally are.
[02:22:27]  I'm not pretending at all.
[02:22:28]  I am very openly, aggressively on the left.
[02:22:30]  I have said it all the time.
[02:22:32]  This isn't to your point.
[02:22:33]  This is so hilarious.
[02:22:35]  You guys don't even see it.
[02:22:36]  Okay, okay.
[02:22:37]  You guys see all of us, right?
[02:22:38]  I don't know.
[02:22:38]  I don't.
[02:22:41]  You guys don't fucking get it.
[02:22:42]  You did exactly what I said you would.
[02:22:44]  No, I didn't, actually.
[02:22:45]  What's happened the entire time is I've had satisfactory answers to your questions and you're not willing to engage, which is why I said, are you a conservative?
[02:22:52]  And you said yes.
[02:22:52]  And I said, do you agree with 100% of your conservative views?
[02:22:55]  And you said no.
[02:22:56]  But when it's coming to me, suddenly I have to move and shift and I have to prove I'm an independent by saying where I disagree.
[02:23:02]  But I actually disagree with 90% of what they believe, which is not true at all.
[02:23:06]  And even if it was, it doesn't mean that I can't have independent opinions on certain things in the same way that you have independent on certain things.
[02:23:13]  I'm not moving around in any way, shape, or form other than when we're talking about categorical definitions.
[02:23:17]  Because as I've outlined, and everyone here has agreed, definitions of things do change over time.
[02:23:23]  I do appeal to a gender worldview and a sex worldview, where I see these things as different.
[02:23:29]  You don't, but that doesn't mean that I'm just some silly willy.
[02:23:32]  But that's all.
[02:23:32]  What it means is that that's the left cultural world for sure.
[02:23:35]  Sure, but I would say, okay, you probably have a bunch of stupid conservative shit that you appeal to that I might reject, but I wouldn't just dismiss you.
[02:23:40]  But I wouldn't dismiss you.
[02:23:42]  Well, the issue is he's dismissing me out of hand because I have a left worldview.
[02:23:46]  I would never dismiss you or you because I think you have a right worldview.
[02:23:50]  Because the point he's making is that the left worldview, a good example is they refuse to define the word woman so that they can apply it in any way they want politically.
[02:23:58]  Why the fuck do you want me on your show if you think that I'm just the left worldview and I can't engage in any substance?
[02:24:03]  I didn't say that because we want to have a conversation with someone of the left worldview.
[02:24:06]  And I'm good at actually engaging in substance engagement.
[02:24:09]  There's nothing wrong with that.
[02:24:09]  I'm just saying that when he says you're a leftist and you don't have amorphous definitions for political power.
[02:24:15]  What he said that I'm taking issue with is not that he called me a leftist or left.
[02:24:19]  I said that he is assuming my positions and he won't engage with me honestly about my positions because of that fact.
[02:24:25]  He's saying that he can't know.
[02:24:27]  Sure, you're a big meanie bo-bini and you're kind of weird and you breathe funny and it's gross.
[02:24:31]  I don't know what to say.
[02:24:32]  Okay, wait, okay.
[02:24:33]  Well, let's grab calls.
[02:24:34]  Mirachi, would you like to join in the fun?
[02:24:38]  Hi, dude.
[02:24:39]  Oh, he's gone.
[02:24:40]  I'm not saying he's wrong because he breathes gross.
[02:24:41]  I'm just saying he breathes gross.
[02:24:42]  He's called a meditative practice.
[02:24:44]  Yeah, you have to get a note to tell you to stop breathing so loudly.
[02:24:46]  So I don't know.
[02:24:47]  Okay, go off.
[02:24:49]  Elmarachi left.
[02:24:50]  Kai, what's going on?
[02:24:51]  Oh, wait, no, wait, wait.
[02:24:52]  Elmarachi came back.
[02:24:53]  Sorry.
[02:24:54]  Elmarachi, are you working?
[02:24:56]  I'm glad you're back, man.
[02:24:57]  We missed you.
[02:24:59]  It's been a great day.
[02:25:00]  I miss you the most, though.
[02:25:00]  What's going on?
[02:25:01]  Yeah, Kylie, what is your right?
[02:25:02]  I hope you mean to me.
[02:25:04]  You got to bring the heat.
[02:25:05]  Remember, Kyle.
[02:25:05]  Brother, it says you're playing Fallout 3.
[02:25:07]  Dude, at least get 76.
[02:25:09]  Are you winning, though?
[02:25:11]  Are you taking some dumb?
[02:25:12]  Are you winning something?
[02:25:13]  We're not even telling you.
[02:25:14]  He's got a lot of money.
[02:25:15]  Are you winning?
[02:25:16]  Oh, my God.
[02:25:17]  I can't believe it works.
[02:25:18]  What weapon do you use?
[02:25:19]  No, I'm on my Xbox.
[02:25:21]  I accidentally left the Discord chat when you caught on me.
[02:25:24]  There we go.
[02:25:25]  So are you not playing Fallout right now?
[02:25:27]  No, I am.
[02:25:28]  I am.
[02:25:29]  And are you winning?
[02:25:30]  Are you winning right now?
[02:25:31]  Oh, winning?
[02:25:32]  It's Fallout 3.
[02:25:33]  It's not a multiplayer game.
[02:25:34]  I'm playing the story.
[02:25:36]  Nice.
[02:25:37]  You should know this.
[02:25:37]  So he is winning.
[02:25:38]  You should know this.
[02:25:40]  She's a woman.
[02:25:40]  Why did she know about ideas?
[02:25:42]  As a leftist, you should know about Fallout 3 and that.
[02:25:45]  I mean, I would say if I'm not dying constantly, then I'm probably winning Fallout 3.
[02:25:49]  It's the greatest game I ever made.
[02:25:50]  I've been playing Fallout 3.
[02:25:51]  Skyrim, I would argue, competes.
[02:25:53]  Definitely.
[02:25:54]  You're wrong.
[02:25:55]  Halo 3, right?
[02:25:57]  I'm a Skyrim.
[02:25:58]  Halo 2.
[02:25:58]  Did you play Morrowind?
[02:25:59]  Okay, all right.
[02:26:00]  Halo 2 is good.
[02:26:00]  Morrowind was better than Skyrim, I thought.

=== DACA Asylum System Concerns (15:33) ===

[02:26:02]  I would agree.
[02:26:03]  Oh, yeah?
[02:26:03]  Because you can fly.
[02:26:05]  Yeah.
[02:26:05]  They took that away and I'm blue.
[02:26:06]  I know, but I'm a sucker for open worlds.
[02:26:08]  I know.
[02:26:08]  Oh, I know.
[02:26:08]  Shoot, man.
[02:26:09]  But I'm not sure.
[02:26:09]  Fallout is open worlds.
[02:26:10]  I know, but I don't love guns.
[02:26:12]  I like magic.
[02:26:12]  You're using AI to map like Google Maps now as your video game maps and shit.
[02:26:16]  So what's your question?
[02:26:17]  Sorry, yeah.
[02:26:18]  What's your question?
[02:26:18]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:26:19]  Sorry, let me, I'm trying to pull it up on the thing.
[02:26:23]  So I sensed it through the calling request.
[02:26:25]  I'm going to say it word for word.
[02:26:27]  Oh, good.
[02:26:27]  Okay.
[02:26:28]  All right.
[02:26:28]  All right.
[02:26:29]  So with all the deportation talk going on nowadays, what is the opinion of the panel when it comes to DACA kids, the dreamers?
[02:26:36]  It seems a bit immoral or evil to send people back to a country that they don't even know.
[02:26:46]  What is the best solution for these individuals who grew up American but still face deportation?
[02:26:52]  Send them back.
[02:26:54]  I think there are a lot of people that should go, especially people that came in in the last five years.
[02:27:00]  But the people that have been here, it's just like, how many times are you going to stamp on the ground to try and put the fire out until you snap your own ankle?
[02:27:06]  Like at some point, you know, there's like an order of operations of who needs to go.
[02:27:11]  I think the people that have born here and have lived here for 30 years are like very low on that list, personally.
[02:27:17]  Look, I mean, I'm probably the guy with the hardest take on immigration.
[02:27:25]  I do think that they have to be sent out of the country.
[02:27:29]  I do think that they probably should get, they should get put to the front of the line when it comes to coming back because it wasn't their fault.
[02:27:37]  But you can't make exceptions to the law just because it's kind of mean, especially when you have the situation in the United States that we have where there's been probably 20 million people that have been let in illegally over the past four years.
[02:27:54]  So I do understand that there's a lot of people that are going to be really, really negatively affected.
[02:27:59]  And the U.S. can do things to facilitate those people coming back if they're DACA, if they're getting DACA or whatever.
[02:28:09]  But I do think that they have to be deported, honestly.
[02:28:13]  And I know that it's kind of a shitty thing, but.
[02:28:18]  Especially if you're talking to one of them right now.
[02:28:21]  Telling him he's got to go back to some country he's never been to.
[02:28:24]  It's fucking crazy.
[02:28:26]  What's your opinion, Tim?
[02:28:28]  I think DACA, DACA kids got to go home.
[02:28:31]  You got to go home.
[02:28:32]  I mean, what if he's DACA right here, this guy?
[02:28:33]  What would you say to his face?
[02:28:34]  No, I'm not.
[02:28:35]  I'm a citizen.
[02:28:36]  We've done amnesty like four times, and it's had devastating effects on the states and the places that did.
[02:28:43]  And every time we've had amnesty, the deal has been, okay, but this will be the last time.
[02:28:47]  And then it just keeps happening.
[02:28:49]  So at a certain point, we've got to be like, okay, we can't do it.
[02:28:52]  It's just, we can't do it.
[02:28:54]  And even if you, like, Ian, even if he was a DACA recipient, like, that's why I'm trying to be delicate with it, because like I'm, like, I do understand that there are people that are here that are DACA recipients that were brought here when they were kids and they didn't have any control over it or whatever.
[02:29:09]  But that doesn't change the fact that you have a country with laws for a reason and their parents broke the law and their parents are actually the ones that are responsible for that.
[02:29:20]  I agree with rule of law.
[02:29:21]  That's been a big topic of the show earlier.
[02:29:23]  But at what point, like at what cost?
[02:29:25]  Some laws can be evil.
[02:29:27]  And so you don't want a society of evil law.
[02:29:30]  It's not evil to say don't bring it in my house.
[02:29:32]  I reject the morality question in this context.
[02:29:37]  For a kid that was lived here for 30 years in this context.
[02:29:41]  There's total morality.
[02:29:42]  Because they've known.
[02:29:43]  Like they know if they're not.
[02:29:45]  A kid?
[02:29:47]  A child?
[02:29:47]  Like a family.
[02:29:48]  He's talking about DACA.
[02:29:48]  He's like 20 years old and he grew up here.
[02:29:50]  He's almost 30 years.
[02:29:52]  If you're a DACA recipient and you're 30, you've lived here and you know that you're a DACA recipient.
[02:29:59]  If you're a DACA, if you're like you're getting deferred action, like if you're DACA, you know you're DACA, right?
[02:30:05]  You know that you're not a citizen.
[02:30:07]  You should be doing what you need to do to get that squared away, not dodging the system.
[02:30:13]  So, granted, 100% if they're like little kids, I get what you're saying.
[02:30:18]  But if they're little kids, that's actually a better argument for sending them back.
[02:30:23]  Yeah, and the parents should go to jail for trafficking.
[02:30:26]  Sure, I don't mind that at all.
[02:30:27]  But because they can go back and they haven't built a life here, they don't have a family and kids or girlfriend or friends that they've got long deep relationships with.
[02:30:38]  Their kids, they can go back to the country they came from.
[02:30:41]  DACA recipients are adults or mostly probably adults that have been here and they've known that they're DACA recipients.
[02:30:48]  They know that they're here illegally and they've been dodging the system.
[02:30:51]  They've been dodging the legal process.
[02:30:55]  So that's why.
[02:30:56]  I'm curious, is this about principle to you or like outcome?
[02:30:58]  Like are you about outcome?
[02:31:02]  Okay, so I guess I'd be curious, right?
[02:31:04]  Like one of my concerns with like sending everyone who's DACA home is, for example, like in the case of the 30-year-old, I suspect it would be incredibly economically costly, not just to get rid of them, arrest them, et cetera, fine them, because I assume that they'll start hiding.
[02:31:17]  But also all of these people are probably like have some level of skilled labor that they're probably participating.
[02:31:22]  There's probably a pretty high chance that they're participating properly in the economic system.
[02:31:26]  So I guess the question would be, would you be open to, since it's not about principles, about outcome, say I could wave a wand magically and we'd have the perfect policy that I implemented right now that would transition them towards being citizens.
[02:31:38]  And we could even have some requirements, for example, right, that they like subpoena their auditing to make sure that they've their sorry their financial stuff, all the things that you might want that you might be like outcome concerned about with DACA people.
[02:31:50]  Would you be willing to let these people say if they pass and satisfy all of these citizenship tests, essentially?
[02:31:55]  That's what I was going to say.
[02:31:56]  If I was in charge of immigration, I would take in immigrants who pass a certain threshold for skill level or for Western values.
[02:32:05]  Yeah, my big concern is that my primary concern is that people that come to America love America and love our way of life.
[02:32:14]  So say we could prove the DACA kids in some tests that you'd be satisfied with do have all of those values, especially because they've probably grown up here.
[02:32:21]  Would you be okay with a system that integrated them and just gave them legitimate legal citizenship?
[02:32:27]  I think theoretically, yes.
[02:32:30]  Because my big concern is people that come to the United States that don't want to become Americans.
[02:32:35]  The people that like, it really rubbed me raw to see the protests in California where people were waving Mexican flags.
[02:32:41]  They don't love America.
[02:32:43]  They don't want to become Americans.
[02:32:45]  They're just here and they, you know, the people that you see, you know, whatever percentage of the actual illegal immigrants you say it is, or people say it is, the people that get on TikTok and say, we're only here to take advantage.
[02:32:57]  You hear about the stuff that's going on in Minnesota with the Somali, their asylum seekers.
[02:33:02]  They've taken advantage of the asylum system.
[02:33:05]  Well, most of the Somali issues are complicated just because a lot of them came like disrupted Ethiopia.
[02:33:10]  They're citizens.
[02:33:11]  Most of them are citizens now.
[02:33:12]  Okay, fair enough.
[02:33:13]  But I would agree to an asylum.
[02:33:14]  Imagine what you're talking about.
[02:33:15]  Yeah, the asylum laws were totally abused.
[02:33:20]  Like people that come to the United States, you have to come a certain way.
[02:33:23]  If you can go to another country that's safe, you don't get asylum in the United States.
[02:33:27]  We totally abuse those.
[02:33:28]  So my concern is that we're not bringing people into the country that hate America, hate our system, hate the way that America take advantage of it, essentially.
[02:33:38]  Sure, which is why I'd basically say it's really sucky that Trump forced Republicans to quash the bipartisan immigration bill that Biden brought in 2022.
[02:33:44]  The Biden, the bill that Biden was in the Biden bill was horrible.
[02:33:49]  It wasn't.
[02:33:49]  On like what standard was it horrible?
[02:33:51]  It upgraded asylum so that you couldn't just claim psychological distress.
[02:33:54]  You had to have proof of like actual threat.
[02:33:57]  It mandated thousands more dollars to judges, more money to border control, and it also escalated what certain border control agents could do so that we could process asylum seekers faster so that there was way less catch and release.
[02:34:08]  Because it wanted to, one of the biggest Legalize illegal immigration, like crossing over illegally?
[02:34:14]  No, not at all.
[02:34:15]  It actually tried to streamline the process so that if people were doing that, we could catch them more quickly and kick them out.
[02:34:19]  It also wanted to fund more border walls, actually, as well.
[02:34:22]  So it was bipartisan by Republicans.
[02:34:25]  It's not a lie.
[02:34:25]  This is true about the immigration bill, right?
[02:34:27]  The immigration bill was.
[02:34:28]  It was de facto amnesty.
[02:34:29]  It was fucking, now that I can say it, it was fucking awesome.
[02:34:32]  It was exactly what.
[02:34:34]  So it was fucking terrible.
[02:34:35]  In what way?
[02:34:37]  What's bad about funding the border market?
[02:34:39]  It basically codified the policies of the Biden administration where they were saying anybody who comes in can apply.
[02:34:44]  That's not true.
[02:34:45]  And in fact, it rejected those by updating asylum seeking.
[02:34:48]  No, it.
[02:34:49]  Yes.
[02:34:50]  Hold on, I'm playing a fat purple-haired woman in Cranworld.
[02:34:54]  I can't.
[02:34:55]  It didn't do that.
[02:34:56]  It actually tried to update asylum seeking so that you couldn't just come and claim psychological distress, which is what asylum seekers can claim now.
[02:35:01]  Right, but it's still basically, it created de facto policy.
[02:35:05]  So what Biden did.
[02:35:06]  That's good, right?
[02:35:07]  Updating asylum seeking.
[02:35:08]  What Biden was doing was that people were coming in when they were clearly not asylum seekers and claiming asylum.
[02:35:14]  Yes.
[02:35:14]  Then they would bring them.
[02:35:15]  And so the bill just codified those policies.
[02:35:18]  No, it didn't.
[02:35:18]  It upgraded it so that you couldn't easily claim asylum, and it increased judges, and it increased border patrol agents, and it increased fences so that there was way less catch and release because most illegals aren't coming through just fences.
[02:35:30]  Most of them are coming.
[02:35:30]  You're giving me a little off track.
[02:35:31]  No, we're not going back to the bottom.
[02:35:34]  What do you mean by the way?
[02:35:36]  You just don't like that this is the reality of what this bill was.
[02:35:38]  And Trump shut it down because he knew that he could run on immigration effectively.
[02:35:42]  That's why he shut it down, because he cares less about immigration than the people of America and more about power and consuming it for himself.
[02:35:48]  I would disagree with that.
[02:35:50]  He came down like the very first thing that he was talking about when he came down the golden escalator was he was talking about.
[02:35:55]  Sure, but you know what he hasn't done?
[02:35:56]  Update asylum through actual codified bill, like through Congress.
[02:36:00]  No, but if the asylums, if the asylum laws are you can't come to the United States or you can't like you're supposed to stop at the first place that's safe for you, what kind of updates does it need?
[02:36:11]  Because technically the only people, the only countries that we should be accepting.
[02:36:14]  Psychological distress.
[02:36:15]  I don't think saying I'm distressed at home is sufficient to claim that.
[02:36:18]  The only places that we should be taking asyles from is Canada and Mexico because you can stop in any other country where that's safe.
[02:36:26]  They created a path of citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States.
[02:36:29]  Fuck that.
[02:36:30]  Wait, that's not necessarily no, because again, if the illegal immigrants are the type of immigrants that you want legalized working in your country, that's good.
[02:36:39]  Yes, you do.
[02:36:40]  You do.
[02:36:40]  You do.
[02:36:41]  You do want.
[02:36:42]  Yes, you do.
[02:36:43]  No, I don't.
[02:36:44]  I don't know what to tell you.
[02:36:45]  Tell me what I want.
[02:36:46]  So, okay.
[02:36:48]  If you're saying you genuinely don't, I'm saying I don't think you understand the infrastructure of your economy if you believe that.
[02:36:53]  I totally do.
[02:36:54]  I don't think you run a manufacturing business.
[02:36:56]  I do.
[02:36:58]  Yeah, you run a local American-built manufacturing, but you don't own a farm, for example.
[02:37:01]  A farm I've worked on extensively.
[02:37:03]  What do you mean I don't own a farm?
[02:37:04]  Do you own a farm?
[02:37:05]  I own a chicken city.
[02:37:07]  I don't believe in suppressing.
[02:37:08]  I don't believe in suppressing farm, ma'am.
[02:37:11]  Contract.
[02:37:12]  We have over 50 chickens.
[02:37:14]  Wait, 50 chickens?
[02:37:15]  Yes, a legal chicken farm is around like 25.
[02:37:18]  Oh, nice.
[02:37:19]  Okay, so you're not in like the level of like major manufacturing.
[02:37:22]  So my farm doesn't count?
[02:37:23]  No, no, no.
[02:37:24]  Chicken city.
[02:37:25]  Yeah, wait till I tell you.
[02:37:26]  Cobby farms.
[02:37:27]  Wait till I tell you a burden of the farmer's face.
[02:37:28]  Yes, hobby farms don't compare it to like Tyson major egg.
[02:37:31]  Yes.
[02:37:32]  I never said I don't own it.
[02:37:32]  But I was going to say.
[02:37:34]  You said you own a farm.
[02:37:35]  So the chicken farm.
[02:37:36]  When I'm talking about farms, I'm talking about people doing industrial level farming.
[02:37:39]  That's what I'm obviously saying.
[02:37:40]  What does that have to do?
[02:37:42]  Because when we're talking about labor, especially affordable labor, when it comes to things like agriculture, this is something that immigrants have often supported us on, and it is really important because most educated immigrants won't do this.
[02:37:54]  Check this out.
[02:37:55]  I don't care about the economy.
[02:37:59]  The argument that immigrants will do the work Americans want is meaningless.
[02:38:04]  Americans will do the work that is available and they have to do.
[02:38:07]  And we saw this when Trump raided all those meat processing plants in the South.
[02:38:11]  And then guess who showed up?
[02:38:12]  A bunch of Americans.
[02:38:13]  And when they were interviewed saying, we thought Americans wouldn't do this job, he goes, what do you mean?
[02:38:17]  It pays more than the gas station.
[02:38:18]  The argument isn't that Americans won't do these jobs.
[02:38:20]  The argument is actually that when you bring in labor forces that are less educated than your own populace, it frees up your populace from the explosion of jobs and income.
[02:38:29]  Why don't you want the American economy to grow?
[02:38:31]  Funny.
[02:38:31]  I want Americans to do work.
[02:38:33]  You are arguing for the economy of the leftists.
[02:38:36]  That's why.
[02:38:36]  Growth at what costs?
[02:38:39]  I would call you neolib.
[02:38:40]  So you just want to reduce me over and over again.
[02:38:42]  I'm saying this isn't.
[02:38:43]  Okay, I'll put it like this.
[02:38:44]  That is the neoliberal view.
[02:38:46]  Do you value the outcome or the principle here?
[02:38:48]  In what context?
[02:38:50]  The outcome of America successfully growing its GDP, having a more competitive agricultural.
[02:38:56]  The success of America to me is that the American people of the American tradition have children.
[02:39:02]  Those children work hard.
[02:39:04]  The wages for those jobs are good enough that that person can work.
[02:39:08]  And when you flood the country with low-skilled labor, you erase the younger generation's opportunity because 16-year-olds should be doing farm work where they learn and they get strong and then they graduate to other jobs.
[02:39:18]  This would be true.
[02:39:19]  Instead, we flooded the country, told people not to have kids, got tons of abortions, and then gave all our manufacturing plants to China, Mexico, and Indonesia.
[02:39:25]  This would be true.
[02:39:26]  This would be true if it wasn't the case, if it was the case that jobs are finite.
[02:39:30]  But what happens when you have a large infusion of labor is that it frees up small business owners to hire cheaper labor.
[02:39:36]  Tell that to Gen Z right now experiencing massive unemployment.
[02:39:40]  Correct.
[02:39:41]  Sure, but why are you doing that?
[02:39:41]  Tell that Gen Z you can't pull the house.
[02:39:43]  What are they unemployed?
[02:39:43]  Unemployment in California.
[02:39:45]  What are they unemployed in?
[02:39:46]  Tell them Gen Z you can't get an apartment in New York, but they're giving hotels to illegal immigrants.
[02:39:50]  Okay, I agree that catch and release isn't good.
[02:39:52]  I'm talking about catch and release.
[02:39:53]  I'm sat in New York brought in illegal immigrants, gave them hotels, and then Zoran Mandani.
[02:39:59]  Zoran Mandani came on defying federal law voted for by the plurality of this country.
[02:40:04]  Yes, so first of all, they were not illegal.
[02:40:06]  They were not illegal.
[02:40:07]  They were asylum cleannees that could claim in the way that they could because they campaigned explicitly on blocking federal law that the people of this country voted for.
[02:40:19]  That is fascist, evil shit.
[02:40:22]  Sorry.
[02:40:22]  Now, Zoran, Zoro Mamdani.
[02:40:24]  Why are we talking about Zoro Mamdani when I am trying to establish outcomes of certain economic principles of immigration, for example?
[02:40:31]  Because Zorhan Mamdani campaigned as a progressive on blocking federal law enforcement that was voted on by the plurality of the people of this country.
[02:40:42]  So we said in this country, get them all the fuck out.
[02:40:46]  End of story.
[02:40:47]  I don't give a fuck about it.
[02:40:49]  You can argue every day of the week how you want low-skill slave labor to pick your fucking business.
[02:40:55]  You don't want low-scale slave labor.
[02:40:57]  Well, you want second-class citizens here at deferred departure whenever.
[02:41:00]  Sorry, why are you saying that if you work for farms in America, you're a second-class citizen?
[02:41:04]  No, I'm saying that if you come here illegally and you're under a special class like documents.
[02:41:07]  I don't want them to be a pending status and you can't vote, you're a second-class citizen.
[02:41:11]  And Democrats want people to clean their toilets.
[02:41:14]  I actually, what I would like to say.
[02:41:16]  Sure, very quickly.
[02:41:18]  Part of the reasons why you're having such issues in like Gen Z getting jobs, it isn't because of illegal immigrants taking care of the city.
[02:41:24]  Yes, it is.
[02:41:25]  No.
[02:41:26]  Gen Z is a.
[02:41:27]  I said Gen Z, so you lost the argument.
[02:41:28]  Yeah, yeah, that's true.
[02:41:29]  I did lose the argument, but because of Gen Z.
[02:41:32]  But Gen Z is struggling to find jobs for a number of reasons.

=== Housing Zoning Issues (04:48) ===

[02:41:36]  And illegal immigrants taking high educational jobs is not it.
[02:41:39]  It's number one, H-1B visas that have not been updated to guarantee wage equality for immigrants you bring in for high-skill labor jobs.
[02:41:48]  It's also a lot of jobs getting destroyed.
[02:41:51]  H-1B is not high-skilled labor.
[02:41:52]  You're talking about O-vis.
[02:41:54]  No, no, O-Visas are like celebrity.
[02:41:56]  H-1B is high-skill lab.
[02:41:58]  There's a bunch of different visas.
[02:41:59]  O is specialists.
[02:42:00]  No, extraordinary talent.
[02:42:01]  Okay, OnlyFans come in under O. O is extraordinary talent.
[02:42:04]  H-1B is celebrity skill.
[02:42:06]  H-1B is unavailable.
[02:42:08]  Wait, is cybersecurity a high-educated job or not?
[02:42:11]  H-1B is unavailable skill, not high skill.
[02:42:15]  H-1Bs are available to companies that can't find the job in the country.
[02:42:18]  They can get any job.
[02:42:20]  So I will tell you, as somebody who's an immigrant and has gone through this process, I couldn't apply for an H-1B because I had a business and was working in an industry of media.
[02:42:27]  And to get an H-1B, you have to prove that you have education in the field you're going to be working in.
[02:42:31]  It is necessarily high-skilled.
[02:42:33]  Yes, having a bachelor's degree.
[02:42:37]  No, they are not.
[02:42:38]  Yes, they are.
[02:42:38]  No, they are not.
[02:42:39]  You have not been following the story.
[02:42:41]  I have been following the story, and I am participating in the immigration system, which means that I know it quite content.
[02:42:46]  H-1Bs are necessarily high-skilled because they're replacing cybersecurity.
[02:42:49]  What do you have?
[02:42:50]  Gen Z, I have an E2 visa.
[02:42:52]  And Gen Z is struggling to find jobs because of mass layoffs, because of AI pruning jobs.
[02:42:58]  Now that they're finally hiring back, that might be better for Gen Z, but also because of a slowing inflation.
[02:43:04]  They are starting to.
[02:43:06]  Because of a slower inflation under Trump's tariff system.
[02:43:09]  These are two of the things that have been impacting them.
[02:43:11]  Why they can't afford households, again, isn't because of illegal immigrants.
[02:43:14]  It's because people won't approve zoning to build more housing.
[02:43:17]  That's why, because boomers don't want more housing because all of their retirement is locked up in assets of immigrants.
[02:43:23]  We do know that sellers outpace buyers right now.
[02:43:27]  In what industry?
[02:43:28]  In the housing market.
[02:43:30]  I will say that.
[02:43:31]  Yes.
[02:43:31]  Yes, I know.
[02:43:32]  Why?
[02:43:32]  Do you own a house?
[02:43:33]  Because we're not building houses.
[02:43:35]  That's why.
[02:43:35]  Do you own a house?
[02:43:36]  No.
[02:43:36]  I own a bunch.
[02:43:38]  Okay.
[02:43:38]  I have a lot of houses.
[02:43:39]  So I have to deal with all of the stuff you're talking about.
[02:43:42]  And I will tell you: a component, not the principal reason, of why Gen Z can't afford houses is entirely illegal immigration.
[02:43:50]  Now, to be clear, I did say a component of this entirely, which is redundant and silly.
[02:43:55]  Housing.
[02:43:56]  I imagine, for example, California is probably more disproportionately impacted by the fact that it's really hard to get approval to build housing centers than it is just like apartment buildings, for example.
[02:44:05]  The problem of homelessness in California has nothing to do with.
[02:44:07]  I'm not saying homelessness.
[02:44:08]  I said like housing.
[02:44:09]  Lack of housing has nothing to do with zoning.
[02:44:13]  That's a crazy take, but okay.
[02:44:14]  I'm going to say this.
[02:44:15]  I mean, having worked in the homeless industrial complex in California, I can tell you with expertise.
[02:44:19]  I agree that in the case of homelessness, that housing is not the specific issue.
[02:44:23]  It's typically mental illness.
[02:44:24]  Unavailable housing, which is a contributing factor to homelessness.
[02:44:27]  The issue is not zoning.
[02:44:29]  So building apartment buildings is extremely difficult because so many areas of zoning that boomers prefer single-family homes and single-family homes are influenced by the biggest issue in major cities.
[02:44:40]  Building owners can't rent the properties because of rent control policies from Democrats.
[02:44:45]  Very few rent control policies.
[02:44:46]  Santa Monica, for instance, is a really great example of this.
[02:44:48]  You don't know what you're talking about.
[02:44:49]  I literally worked in this industry and I'm showing you as an expert.
[02:44:52]  Hold on.
[02:44:52]  So I will agree with you.
[02:44:53]  In New York and California, is that you have empty buildings, and the people who own those buildings say it's not mathematically possible to rent it out because we can't rent them for the money.
[02:45:04]  So this is what I'm with you on.
[02:45:05]  I'm with you on.
[02:45:06]  I abhor rent control policies.
[02:45:08]  They've always been economically devastating and they're not good for housing industries.
[02:45:11]  The issue is that when we're trying to simplify housing, Gen Z jobs, all these things are just being like, it's just the illegals.
[02:45:17]  It's not.
[02:45:18]  There is an immigration crisis.
[02:45:20]  There are problems with immigration, and I would totally grant you that.
[02:45:23]  But we can't be reductionary and simplistic on extremely complicated issues.
[02:45:27]  Well, this was a good discussion.
[02:45:28]  Mirachi, do you want to shout anything out before we got the next callers?
[02:45:33]  I want to give a little more, but yes, the conversation kept going.
[02:45:37]  I also don't want to take too long because of the other callers.
[02:45:41]  That's how I feel.
[02:45:43]  I just want to say that there's one compromise to this whole situation with the doctor people: I don't want amnesty for them because a lot of them tend to have loyalties to Mexico, but I don't want to also deport them because they do have lives that they built that they built their entire life while living here.
[02:46:01]  They have a lot of, you know, people that they know, family, whatever.
[02:46:05]  I think the best solution for this would be to just give them permanent residency with no path to citizenship through that residency.
[02:46:12]  They have to go through other means to get citizenship, but at least that way they could keep what they've worked for and not have control over elections either.
[02:46:21]  You think their kids should get citizenship?

=== Permanent Residency Solutions (07:50) ===

[02:46:24]  Depends.
[02:46:25]  Not that they're recently here within the past like five, six years since the Biden administration, but for older kids and Gen Z's, Doc people, then yes.
[02:46:35]  Well, Ryan, brother, you want to shout anything out?
[02:46:38]  No, I'm good.
[02:46:40]  This is a very long conversation.
[02:46:43]  Thank you guys for having me on.
[02:46:45]  The last thing I'll just say is make sure you get Lincoln's Repeater.
[02:46:47]  Do you know where it is?
[02:46:50]  I do not.
[02:46:51]  Okay, so it's in the Lincoln Museum.
[02:46:54]  There's a lot of feral ghouls.
[02:46:55]  You got to be careful.
[02:46:56]  But it is the best weapon in the game.
[02:46:58]  Now, if you're playing like a brute build where you're just running in with a submachine gun or something, yeah, probably not, or like, you know, Fat Man or whatever.
[02:47:05]  But if you're playing, if you're doing anything vast, the Lincoln's Repeater is the best gun.
[02:47:10]  Get it.
[02:47:11]  Thanks for calling that.
[02:47:12]  Thank you.
[02:47:13]  Nice, dude.
[02:47:14]  I'm going to interject this, but you keep on appealing to your moral authority as an individual.
[02:47:18]  So tell us what ideas you've developed as an individual to separate you from group ideas.
[02:47:23]  Well, we have to get another caller in, and we've gone really late.
[02:47:25]  So, Kai, why don't you just, what's your question?
[02:47:30]  So, everyone's following me.
[02:47:32]  Fallout, Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas.
[02:47:35]  Oh, man.
[02:47:36]  Fallout 3.
[02:47:38]  But New Vegas is great.
[02:47:39]  I think Fallout 3 is better.
[02:47:41]  All right, I'll do New Vegas after my current game.
[02:47:43]  But my question is for Red Yard.
[02:47:47]  Weather politics, do you believe that the next revolution or Second American Civil War will be possible if the government's able to make HEI artificial general intelligence?
[02:47:58]  Because I have a feeling that they will use AI to silence people who pose a threat to establishments.
[02:48:03]  Think of like Captain America.
[02:48:05]  Can you think of Captain America with your soldier?
[02:48:08]  The Trump administration is pushing hard for AI and they have used it for the Maduro raid and maybe being used for the war with Iran.
[02:48:15]  Yep.
[02:48:16]  Tim, I'm appearing on your show again on Monday, and I want to talk about this.
[02:48:19]  Where I think Mouse.
[02:48:22]  I thought I'm on your show.
[02:48:23]  I talked to Lisa about this.
[02:48:25]  You're flying to West Virginia?
[02:48:26]  No, I've been appearing remotely.
[02:48:27]  Oh, you're doing the morning show.
[02:48:29]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:48:30]  So I think that mouse utopia is intersecting with the civil war in an interesting way.
[02:48:37]  But the thing also with AGI is that in America, we have multiple competing ones.
[02:48:41]  You have Grok as a right-wing AI, and then you have left-wing AIs.
[02:48:45]  Chat GPT is fucking retarded.
[02:48:49]  It's complicated.
[02:48:50]  Chat GPT is woke as fuck.
[02:48:51]  It gets offended.
[02:48:52]  It's retarded politically.
[02:48:54]  It's pretty advanced in the AI arms race.
[02:48:56]  Well, it's completely useless because it won't answer questions because it's like, I'm Asian, and I asked it a question about Koreans, and it refused to answer because it could be offensive.
[02:49:05]  And I'm like, I'm literally a fucking Korean asking you about what Koreans do, and you won't give me an answer.
[02:49:09]  True, and the right-wing one just let us have child porn being made all over Twitter.
[02:49:14]  And it was hit.
[02:49:16]  To your point, I don't think the authorities are actually strong enough to enforce using an AGI tyranny in America.
[02:49:27]  I look at the current leftist elite class, and the right-wing was one as well.
[02:49:32]  I don't think they actually have an elite coherency capable of enforcing an AGI tyranny because most of the boomers in charge, they don't even know how the internet works.
[02:49:46]  Yeah, but boomers are not going to be around for much long.
[02:49:48]  So who's going to replace them as the new elite class?
[02:49:51]  It's either going to be the according to Phil, either the gay commie furries or the Zoomer Waffens.
[02:49:58]  So Zoomer Waffin.
[02:50:01]  Both the Zoomer Waffens and the gay commie furries cannot organize in a large scale because they're too foolish.
[02:50:07]  But that means that we'll have to have a new one that's more realistic because a society can't have a new – a society must have a ruling class.
[02:50:21]  Get it?
[02:50:23]  I think you stunlocked me.
[02:50:24]  Are you still there?
[02:50:25]  Stunlock Ross?
[02:50:28]  Sorry, I lost contact for a second.
[02:50:31]  With Earth or with the comms?
[02:50:35]  I'll say the boomers lose power.
[02:50:37]  What's the next generation?
[02:50:42]  I've been seeing a lot of memes on Instagram and Twitter.
[02:50:45]  I think the Zoomers, it's going to probably be like a Zoomer uprising.
[02:50:49]  With what happened with the rest of the world.
[02:50:51]  So we have the far-right Zoomers or the far-left Zoomers.
[02:50:54]  I agree.
[02:50:56]  I think the Zoomers are dissatisfied enough they could rebel, and I'm getting – the thing I want to talk to you soon about is I'm getting progressively more worried about mouse utopia.
[02:51:07]  I think mouse utopia is consuming every other variable.
[02:51:10]  That's what we were talking about earlier, too, in the green room.
[02:51:14]  The lack of resistance making people wilt like a tree with no wind or no gravity.
[02:51:20]  All right.
[02:51:21]  I think that's all.
[02:51:23]  Again, Red Yard, thanks for your input.
[02:51:25]  I have two shout-outs before I head out.
[02:51:27]  Rightard, look, I need this from you.
[02:51:30]  I need a very detailed video from you about why feet is being sexualized.
[02:51:34]  I need that video.
[02:51:35]  Oh, feet's been sexualized because the neurological area associated with genitalia is quite close to the area associated with feet.
[02:51:43]  You want to shout anything out?
[02:51:45]  Yeah, one more thing for Kyla.
[02:51:47]  This may sound mean, but after tonight, you've proven yourself why the 19th Amendment needs to be repealed.
[02:51:53]  That being said, such a crazy thing.
[02:51:57]  That being said, I was wondering if you haven't only fans.
[02:52:00]  That's class.
[02:52:02]  Don't do this.
[02:52:03]  The 19th Amendment.
[02:52:05]  Before you're geez, thanks for calling in, brother.
[02:52:07]  It doesn't go far enough, guys.
[02:52:08]  The 19th Amendment being repealed does not go far enough.
[02:52:12]  All right.
[02:52:13]  Macchaeus.
[02:52:14]  Is that how you pronounce it?
[02:52:16]  Hello.
[02:52:17]  Howdy.
[02:52:19]  Macaus.
[02:52:20]  Speak to me.
[02:52:22]  Give me your shit, bruh.
[02:52:25]  Give it to him.
[02:52:26]  You're unmuted, but no sound is coming through.
[02:52:28]  I can't hear you, motherfucker.
[02:52:30]  Yo, talk.
[02:52:31]  Macaus.
[02:52:32]  What's this guy's name?
[02:52:34]  Dr. Zaeus.
[02:52:35]  Dr. Zaeus, Doctor.
[02:52:38]  talk to me dr zayas testing okay there we it wasn't it was plugged in but it just was not connected right Good stuff.
[02:52:49]  Yes.
[02:52:49]  You're back.
[02:52:50]  All right.
[02:52:52]  So, first things first, to the guest.
[02:52:57]  The entire chat has been clowning on you all night as being disingenuous.
[02:53:02]  As but one example at 7:17 California time.
[02:53:07]  Alpa Nalinski tactics.
[02:53:09]  Pure offense and refuses to defend any actual position.
[02:53:13]  Another example from 7.47 Cali time.
[02:53:17]  Oh, he threw in a straw man.
[02:53:18]  How cute.
[02:53:19]  I roll emote.
[02:53:21]  Secondly, for everyone, claiming Skyrim is the best video game is insane.
[02:53:26]  FF6 is infinitely superior.
[02:53:29]  That's...
[02:53:30]  Now we're getting sick.
[02:53:31]  You kind of had to be there, though.
[02:53:33]  For FF6?
[02:53:34]  Yeah.
[02:53:34]  Yeah.
[02:53:35]  That's fair.
[02:53:36]  It was paradigm shit.
[02:53:38]  Come on, man.
[02:53:39]  Whatever.
[02:53:39]  I don't know which guest you're talking to.
[02:53:40]  I'm assuming.
[02:53:41]  I don't know.
[02:53:42]  I think about you.
[02:53:43]  Do you know what I noticed about the chat?
[02:53:46]  Don't take it personally.
[02:53:46]  I don't know if you guys find this too.
[02:53:48]  There is wisdom in the crowd.
[02:53:49]  Like, if it's like, shut up, shut up, Kyla, shut up.
[02:53:51]  What they're really saying is, like, if you listen more, your communication will improve.
[02:53:57]  Not literally, because they'll project their own stuff onto you, and you're just something, and they're expressing their own emotions.
[02:54:03]  But there is still wisdom.
[02:54:05]  So, indeed.
[02:54:06]  Sorry, are you telling me that I should shut up and listen?
[02:54:09]  No, I was referencing a couple of comments they're complaining about.
[02:54:11]  I had to have a look, because I actually don't know which guesses are.
[02:54:13]  I'm sorry to interrupt.

=== Engaging Substantive Critics (11:16) ===

[02:54:14]  Continue, please.
[02:54:14]  Okay.
[02:54:15]  Apologies.
[02:54:17]  My actual statement.
[02:54:19]  They say it to me that.
[02:54:20]  Start preamble first.
[02:54:22]  You're probably going to say this is too far, but five years ago, you came to the conclusion that the left and the establishment were evil, and I was at that point five years prior to that.
[02:54:31]  So.
[02:54:32]  Yeah.
[02:54:33]  So, the actual grenade I want to throw into the chat room.
[02:54:38]  I believe that we need to start refusing to interact with the left in any way, in any place, and to outright ban them from any conversation as anti-human seditionists and/or traitors.
[02:54:52]  Yeah, that worked really well when the left did that to the right.
[02:54:54]  It's just such a good strategy.
[02:54:55]  You can't identify who's left and right.
[02:54:58]  True, you got it.
[02:54:59]  You can't.
[02:54:59]  I mean, someone can self-identify, but how do you believe them?
[02:55:02]  Wait, caller, do you think it was bad when the left did that to the right?
[02:55:07]  Frankly, yes.
[02:55:08]  Okay, and frankly, turnabout is fair play.
[02:55:11]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:55:12]  Hold on.
[02:55:14]  Just to be clear, if it was bad for the left to do that, do you think it was harmful for the country for the left to do that to the right?
[02:55:20]  Honestly, no.
[02:55:22]  You think it was not the only thing you have the power to do it?
[02:55:26]  Wait, so when the left wouldn't talk to the right, it was bad, but it wasn't harmful for the country.
[02:55:32]  So why was it bad?
[02:55:34]  Simple.
[02:55:36]  Because it is still morally, unambiguously, not a good thing.
[02:55:42]  At best, it is great.
[02:55:44]  Okay, gotcha.
[02:55:45]  However, however, they have spent so long raping the golden rule half to death, and very specifically half to death, because the suffering was the point that we can no longer abide by the golden rule.
[02:56:00]  We now have to abide by the iron rule.
[02:56:02]  And the iron rule, as I call it, is turnabout is always fair play.
[02:56:08]  Isn't there like this?
[02:56:11]  Isn't there like an entire litany of literary?
[02:56:13]  Do you watch anime, like Vinland saga or anything like that?
[02:56:18]  I'm not sure if you're an anime fan.
[02:56:21]  I am a weeb, yes.
[02:56:23]  Okay, but you know, you know, Vinland saga.
[02:56:28]  No, not really.
[02:56:29]  Okay, you should watch it.
[02:56:29]  It's first of all, it's amazing.
[02:56:31]  It's a great story.
[02:56:33]  Yeah, sure, the Taekwondo Titan's good, but there's these constant stories of how pain begets pain begets pain, and things don't get better.
[02:56:41]  And Naruto, Naruto's a better example.
[02:56:43]  There's literally a Vincent.
[02:56:46]  Yeah, there's literally Vincree Pain.
[02:56:48]  And it's one of the best.
[02:56:49]  I'm saying this.
[02:56:50]  Wait, where are we going?
[02:56:51]  Yes, that's a good example, too.
[02:56:52]  So, Payne's real name is Nagato.
[02:56:54]  And his sensei back in the day was Jiraiya.
[02:56:57]  I watched it.
[02:56:58]  So you're familiar with the thing.
[02:56:59]  Okay, it is one of the greatest bits of writing they did.
[02:57:02]  I agree.
[02:57:03]  When Nagato speaks to Naruto and Naruto recites the line from the book, Nagato realizing that it was what he said that inspired Jiriah, who he killed, and then regrets his decision.
[02:57:13]  Fucking brilliant.
[02:57:14]  I agree.
[02:57:15]  And all these stories tell us that, like, when people do us wrong, the response cannot be, I just continue the cycle of pain.
[02:57:24]  At some point, somebody has to say, enough is enough.
[02:57:27]  And usually that's the same thing.
[02:57:30]  Well, the issue is, the left is saying the same thing you're saying right now to me, right?
[02:57:35]  They're saying we should get back power from Trump.
[02:57:37]  We should punish the conservatives.
[02:57:39]  We should weaponize the DOJ against them.
[02:57:41]  And the answer to this is this just kills our country more.
[02:57:45]  At some point, somebody has to say, we must stop.
[02:57:50]  We must unify.
[02:57:51]  We've been saying that for 60 years, you stupid bitch.
[02:57:55]  I don't know.
[02:57:56]  I don't know, first of all, why you're calling me a stupid bitch when I'm advocating for a world that it seems like you want.
[02:58:02]  I'm sorry that you're in pain.
[02:58:04]  You're not.
[02:58:04]  You're not advocating for that.
[02:58:06]  Of course I am because I am one of the few people on the left that talks to you that talks to you and pushes back against the left when they insist that when we take over power in 2028, we should brutally punish all of the conservatives.
[02:58:20]  I'm one of the few people doing that.
[02:58:21]  And yet I'm sitting here, I'm getting lambbasted by people, dismissed as a leftist, and you're calling me a stupid bitch.
[02:58:27]  And the previous caller is simultaneously not willing to defend the rights of my body, but also wants to sexualize me.
[02:58:34]  I'm one of the few people trying to do the noble thing.
[02:58:37]  And I'm not telling you that you must, but nobility must win or we're all fucked.
[02:58:43]  And that's what I'm fighting for.
[02:58:44]  I don't think I'm perfect.
[02:58:45]  I don't think I'm the perfect moral arbiter.
[02:58:46]  I don't think I'm always very nice, but I am absolutely striving for it.
[02:58:50]  It's why I'm fucking here.
[02:58:51]  Yeah, I want to say, you know, please, please don't call Kyla bitch.
[02:58:56]  We invite a lot of lefties here so we can have these discussions, and they almost never want to do it.
[02:59:01]  So I respect that she's willing to have this conversation.
[02:59:04]  I understand.
[02:59:05]  I apologize.
[02:59:06]  I am just very emotional, and I'm sick and tired of people who are blatant.
[02:59:13]  I didn't call Leonardo a ratar, but I didn't know what to do.
[02:59:17]  Don't take all of your pain.
[02:59:18]  That sounds really legitimate.
[02:59:20]  You sound really angry and take it out on me as like the burning girl because I happen to exist in your space.
[02:59:27]  I'm like the one person striving, though imperfectly, to do what you're asking.
[02:59:33]  I have a different answer here.
[02:59:34]  No, shoe on head is doing it and she's doing it better.
[02:59:37]  And frankly, he's probably.
[02:59:41]  Do you know my audience overlap or shoe on head?
[02:59:44]  I get called the shoe on head all the time.
[02:59:47]  Right.
[02:59:50]  You have to have the Darwinistically strongest argument.
[02:59:52]  And the only way to get the strongest arguments is through competition.
[02:59:56]  And so you can't cut yourself off to other arguments because then you're going to evolve into an echo chamber where you agree with everyone else.
[03:00:02]  So you need to argue with lots of different people to develop the strongest argument.
[03:00:07]  And there is no benefit to isolation in this manner.
[03:00:10]  There's actually a book by Paul McGojan.
[03:00:12]  That is a good argument against my position.
[03:00:15]  And I changed my mind based on that.
[03:00:17]  Thank you.
[03:00:18]  God, what a pathetic.
[03:00:19]  What pathetic behavior from you.
[03:00:21]  It's so disappointing.
[03:00:22]  Well, everybody's kind of coming from their own place.
[03:00:24]  You know, it's high.
[03:00:25]  I don't understand.
[03:00:26]  He said, I want to take all my rage out on you because you're the left.
[03:00:29]  And now I'm compelled because Darwin changed it.
[03:00:32]  He changed his opinion under logic.
[03:00:34]  Sure.
[03:00:37]  Because I'm off the list.
[03:00:38]  No, I didn't soften him up.
[03:00:40]  I am the call girl that he wants to utilize as something to beat and punish, despite the fact that I am one of the few doing the thing that he's asking the left to do.
[03:00:48]  Maybe he used to want that, but after this conversation, he's different.
[03:00:53]  I don't know.
[03:00:54]  Well, you called me an evil bitch and have been like nothing but nasty to me, so I'm not sure.
[03:00:58]  Oh, it's called How to Have a Life.
[03:00:59]  You've been nasty to everyone this evening.
[03:01:02]  That's not true.
[03:01:03]  Hold on.
[03:01:03]  How have I been nasty to everyone?
[03:01:05]  Don't dish it out.
[03:01:06]  How have I been nasty to everyone?
[03:01:09]  Do you want me to bring up a chart?
[03:01:13]  To be fair, Kyla and I have had some spirited back and forths on Twitter, and we managed to sit next to each other and be pretty civil.
[03:01:23]  So she genuinely has been good.
[03:01:26]  I've seen what she's like when she's not being cordial.
[03:01:31]  True.
[03:01:31]  Well, that's a trial to Robertier.
[03:01:35]  Is that how you pronounce it?
[03:01:36]  My apologies.
[03:01:37]  Rudyard.
[03:01:39]  Rudyard.
[03:01:40]  Okay.
[03:01:41]  She's been an absolute monster to Rudyard and has a whole evening.
[03:01:48]  When.
[03:01:48]  Nope.
[03:01:49]  After he dismissed me outright and refused to engage with my answer.
[03:01:52]  You dismissed him.
[03:01:53]  I never dismissed him.
[03:01:55]  I never dismissed him.
[03:01:56]  There are multiple times you can watch this as he's describing certain things.
[03:01:59]  I'll like nodalog and agree.
[03:02:01]  There are multiple times where I engage with his conversation.
[03:02:03]  There are very few times where he substantively engages with me and out of his mouth he said, you're just a leftist.
[03:02:08]  I heard a couple of quotes, so I can assume your positions and dismiss you outright.
[03:02:12]  Also, why you previously said, I don't talk to leftists anymore.
[03:02:15]  Prove to me that you're an individual.
[03:02:16]  State what ideas you have developed as an individual to separate yourself from the group.
[03:02:21]  I would say as a liberal that I'm like decently critical of the immigration policy that most 2016 presidential candidates ran along.
[03:02:30]  That's not an individual idea.
[03:02:31]  That's a smaller group idea.
[03:02:32]  What is sufficient for you to be an individual idea?
[03:02:34]  Okay, so I've developed an idea about generating a life charge in a society where you establish incentives.
[03:02:40]  Why do I need to prove to you?
[03:02:42]  Why do I need to prove from the beginning that I'm an individual with engaging with?
[03:02:45]  Why don't you?
[03:02:46]  Almost no one is.
[03:02:47]  Almost no one is an individual.
[03:02:48]  Here's a pro tip.
[03:02:49]  Try to talk to people like maybe they are.
[03:02:51]  It's not true.
[03:02:52]  Let them prove you wrong.
[03:02:53]  It's not true, though.
[03:02:54]  Most people belong to their group identity and they reflect the group identity.
[03:02:57]  Sometimes.
[03:02:57]  Sure.
[03:02:58]  I agree.
[03:02:58]  It's very rare.
[03:02:59]  I agree with you on this.
[03:02:59]  It's very, very rare.
[03:03:01]  I agree.
[03:03:01]  I agree with you.
[03:03:02]  And yet every now and then you will engage with somebody of substance that has interesting ideas and you should be open to hearing those people even if they trigger off some of your buzzwords of being like, maybe they're not going to be good faith.
[03:03:13]  You should engage in that anyways.
[03:03:14]  Just like when I started going through your social media, there was a couple of assumptions I had.
[03:03:17]  But fundamentally, I engaged and understood your ideas.
[03:03:20]  I asked you questions, right?
[03:03:22]  I was trying to engage with you substantively.
[03:03:24]  You just didn't want to do the same back.
[03:03:25]  I engaged with you.
[03:03:26]  And that's when I went, okay, well, if all we're doing is just being like bad faith and dismissing each other, I'll just be mean.
[03:03:31]  If you're engaging in the strategies I said you would, you are muddying the water and moving definitions around.
[03:03:37]  You muddied the water.
[03:03:37]  You said biblical morality is like this objective thing, and then at the same time it shifted and moved.
[03:03:43]  It's a literal book.
[03:03:43]  It's the post-day.
[03:03:45]  Would he be a heretic to the hundred?
[03:03:47]  No, he wouldn't because he followed the rules.
[03:03:49]  This is the literal seated Christianity.
[03:03:51]  They would call him a heretic.
[03:03:53]  You have to prove that someone's an individual.
[03:03:55]  Most people follow group moral codes.
[03:03:56]  Very few people develop individual ideas.
[03:03:59]  I don't engage in.
[03:04:00]  We could do an eight-hour show, which would be fun, but we should grab one more caller.
[03:04:03]  Do you want to shout anything out, brother?
[03:04:04]  Thank you, Tim, for speeding this up.
[03:04:06]  I would like to apologize again for the name calling, but I was getting heated.
[03:04:11]  And again, I really don't think you understood just how hard you were on my fellow autists.
[03:04:18]  I was very hard on him.
[03:04:20]  I would never even begin to pretend that I wasn't hard on him, but I wasn't mean to the rest of the panel.
[03:04:24]  This is Darwin War.
[03:04:25]  Rudyard is war.
[03:04:26]  I wasn't.
[03:04:27]  Rudyard is completely fine with the way that I engage with them.
[03:04:30]  Rudyard, as an autist, is utterly privileged and disprivileged compared to you, a highly functioning.
[03:04:36]  Traditionally, cis-abled.
[03:04:39]  Cis-abled white woman, and you've got to check your problems.
[03:04:41]  You're assuming that I'm cis-able.
[03:04:43]  Actually, I will make one last shout-out.
[03:04:45]  You know that joke people make about gamers being the most oppressed minority?
[03:04:50]  No, it's autists.
[03:04:52]  It's actual people with autism because I don't know if you've got it.
[03:04:56]  No, no, hear me out.
[03:04:57]  No, I agree.
[03:04:57]  I'll hear you.
[03:04:58]  But I also hear you.
[03:05:01]  Okay, fair enough.
[03:05:02]  Apologies.
[03:05:04]  I don't know if you've noticed, but the left loves to talk about ableism, but whenever an autist says something that isn't groupthake, they will gladly rip his throat out with their teeth.
[03:05:14]  I agree with you.
[03:05:15]  I agree.
[03:05:16]  Do you want to know?
[03:05:16]  I'll give you this as my individual piece.
[03:05:18]  Do you want to know my breakout, one of my biggest breakout debates?
[03:05:21]  It was insisting that autistic incels are a vulnerable population that experience significant more oppression than anyone on the left.
[03:05:29]  Does that make me an individual yet?

=== Debate Strategy Tactics (01:02) ===

[03:05:31]  No, it doesn't.
[03:05:33]  You're not like other girls.
[03:05:34]  I get your special girls.
[03:05:37]  Wait, sorry, is that griping nasty right now?
[03:05:41]  Oh, yeah, you are.
[03:05:42]  I do.
[03:05:42]  I mean, I'm interested.
[03:05:43]  It's not the first.
[03:05:44]  I think it's a poor taste joke.
[03:05:46]  It is a poor taste joke, Ackley, because I'm not throwing women under the bus, but thank you.
[03:05:51]  It's a story.
[03:05:51]  You want to shout anything out before the last colour?
[03:05:53]  I want to do meme games with you because I promise you're not going to win.
[03:05:56]  Never mind.
[03:05:57]  Thank you, caller.
[03:05:58]  Bye-bye.
[03:05:58]  Thank you, man.
[03:05:59]  Thanks for calling out.
[03:06:00]  I forgive you.
[03:06:00]  And I love you.
[03:06:03]  All right.
[03:06:03]  Next up, we've got, and last but not least, squirrel tactics.
[03:06:08]  Oh, shit.
[03:06:08]  What's up?
[03:06:09]  Squirrel Tactics?
[03:06:10]  What's up, man?
[03:06:11]  Or woman?
[03:06:12]  Give it to me.
[03:06:14]  I want to see your nut.
[03:06:15]  Oh, Jesus.
[03:06:16]  It's a squirrel.
[03:06:18]  It was a wildlife thing.
[03:06:19]  Joe.
[03:06:19]  I got it.
[03:06:20]  I got it.
[03:06:20]  Give me your nuts.
[03:06:22]  You are unmuted, but we can't hear you.
[03:06:25]  He's playing Fallout.
[03:06:26]  He's playing Fallout Tactics, which is a decent game.
[03:06:29]  This is a debate strategy, actually.
[03:06:30]  He's playing.
[03:06:31]  Fallout Tactics.
[03:06:31]  He's icing you.
[03:06:32]  What's it called in debate strategy?
[03:06:33]  I don't know if it's.