Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Official Who Resigned, Joe Kent, Under FBI Investigation For LEAKING | Timcast IRL
Aired: 2026-03-18
Duration: 03:24:48


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[00:02:30]  Joe Kent, the Trump official who resigned, it is now being revealed he has been under FBI investigation predating his resignation for leaking classified information.
[00:02:42]  Of course, this is particularly interesting considering the narrative that we heard during, just after his resignation, was that he had been removed from intelligence briefings and was uninvolved in the goings-on with this war.
[00:02:54]  There were rumors that his resignation was largely due to a professional dispute, notably that he had been slighted by the administration.
[00:03:01]  He was ousted, and thus he's going to resign and say this is the reason.
[00:03:04]  However, the anti-interventionists are saying it's a principled response to a war of aggression.
[00:03:10]  Well, based on this new information that he's been under investigation predating his resignation, assuming that's true, I think it says a lot more to what is currently going on.
[00:03:17]  And there are questions about whether or not he was the one who was leaking these group texts.
[00:03:21]  So we're going to have to get into all of this.
[00:03:22]  And you know, we originally were going to lead with, I think, something a bit more interesting in the domestic area, and that is the progressive Democrats in Illinois got blown out completely.
[00:03:33]  And the corporate press is celebrating.
[00:03:35]  Washington Post saying that the people of Illinois are not prepared to walk off the cliff just yet.
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=== FBI Investigation Predates Resignation (15:35) ===

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[00:05:31]  You know, we got a couple of great guests joining us tonight.
[00:05:33]  Sir, Matthew, why don't we start with you?
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[00:05:35]  What do you do?
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[00:05:40]  Used to be in Hollywood for a number of years until they didn't like me anymore because of my views.
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[00:06:01]  Kyla's here.
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[00:06:03]  My name's Kyla.
[00:06:04]  I'm a YouTuber, political debater on Everywhere, basically.
[00:06:09]  It should be an interesting conversation.
[00:06:10]  Of course, Ian's here, but he doesn't need an introduction.
[00:06:13]  The chaos is here.
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[00:06:20]  Let's get into the news.
[00:06:21]  We've got this.
[00:06:21]  This is breaking news just dropping in the past few minutes.
[00:06:25]  Joe Kent, who resigned from the Trump administration over the war with Iran, is under FBI investigation.
[00:06:32]  So this news is currently breaking.
[00:06:34]  We have this clip from Laura Ingram's show on Fox News.
[00:06:37]  Saying that Joe Kent, the former director of the United States National Counterterror Center, this is from Semaphore.
[00:06:45]  He just resigned.
[00:06:46]  He's now under FBI investigation for allegedly leaking classified information.
[00:06:54]  And the investigation predates his departure.
[00:07:00]  So we've seen this report going around.
[00:07:03]  Not that the FBI is investigating.
[00:07:04]  We have this from AZ Intel.
[00:07:06]  Former National Counterterrorism Center Director Joe Kent is under FBI investigation for allegedly leaking classified information.
[00:07:12]  Sources tell Semaphore adding the probe began before his departure.
[00:07:16]  So let me just start by saying I've got my ear to the ground.
[00:07:20]  As many of you know, we have friends who have been on the show and are now in the administration.
[00:07:24]  So friends in the administration as well as members of Congress and their staff.
[00:07:28]  And I've been hearing some rumblings in the Beltway.
[00:07:31]  The rumors that I heard from people that are much more loyal to Trump is that Joe Kent was leaking classified information, at least that's the allegation, and was ousted from these meetings.
[00:07:41]  So they basically booted him out and said, this guy's no good.
[00:07:43]  They think he's the leaker.
[00:07:45]  He felt, at least this is, again, the perception, slighted personally and professionally, and that from the view, again, this is all just rumors.
[00:07:55]  They don't think that Joe Kent is truly motivated by the issue of Israel or Iran, and that it's more personal, and that he's using this as a means to slight professionally an administration that he felt had wronged him.
[00:08:11]  Considering we've got past comments and tweets from Joe Kent about the severity of the threat from Iran, I think this is why many people believe this may be the case.
[00:08:21]  That being said, he appeared on Tucker Carlson recently and talked about what he thought was the real issue, and that was that Israel had pressured us into this war, and that he was not in favor of that.
[00:08:31]  It's what he wrote in his resignation letter.
[00:08:33]  He's being hailed as a principled man who stood up for what is right, pushing back on the Israel lobby.
[00:08:40]  So I'm not entirely sure what is going on, but what I can say is this reporting is that he's been under investigation before he actually resigned.
[00:08:47]  So that lends itself to the he was, he's presumed to be the leaker.
[00:08:52]  Again, we don't know that he is, but I think you were mentioning, you looked it up, he was involved in those leaked group texts.
[00:08:56]  Is that what he did?
[00:08:57]  Yeah, in 2015, you remember the Telegram stuff.
[00:08:59]  2015?
[00:09:00]  I'm sorry, 2025.
[00:09:01]  I mean, that was a long time.
[00:09:02]  I've been around for a while.
[00:09:04]  Yeah, apparently, I haven't been able to confirm it, but I just searched for it on the internet, and therefore it must be true.
[00:09:10]  But that he was involved with it and said that there was not an imminent threat back then before they attacked Yemen.
[00:09:15]  This is in regards to the bombing in Yemen.
[00:09:17]  And I think he was saying after the fact that there hadn't been, that he saw an imminent threat.
[00:09:20]  I really don't want to misquote him.
[00:09:22]  I've got Seattle Times confirming what you're saying.
[00:09:24]  Which one?
[00:09:25]  That he was in the group chats?
[00:09:26]  Who's involved?
[00:09:27]  I don't know.
[00:09:28]  It's just a headline right now, so I don't know to what extent.
[00:09:31]  These were like the Heg Seth group chats where they were like being called out or whatever.
[00:09:35]  What they were talking about, they were planning national security stuff.
[00:09:39]  Right, And then the argument they made was that it was like national security stuff after the fact.
[00:09:46]  Like, well, we had already decided to release this, so the texts don't really matter.
[00:09:49]  Which, I mean, if it's true that this guy was leaking the stuff.
[00:09:53]  He was in the chat.
[00:09:54]  Right, right.
[00:09:55]  So, I mean, the presumption would be that's what was getting leaked.
[00:09:58]  I mean, what else got leaked that he would have been involved in?
[00:10:00]  Well, it's just if he was involved in the leak before, why are you only investigating after he steps away?
[00:10:05]  No, no, the investigation predates this.
[00:10:07]  That's what they reported.
[00:10:08]  They're reporting, but they're only publicizing this investigation now.
[00:10:10]  I suppose if there's an FBI investigation, you don't know they're doing it until they decide to make it public.
[00:10:16]  And perhaps because he came out and resigned, they said, okay, then publish it.
[00:10:21]  I mean, if he was being investigated at the FBI, I doubt they're going to fabricate documents with fake dates predating his resignation.
[00:10:30]  Sure, but a lot of people were upset when these signal leaks happened because of the incompetence of the group, right?
[00:10:35]  If he was one of the principal actors involved, why not mention like, you know, certain members are under investigation to see how this.
[00:10:43]  They'd have to fire him.
[00:10:44]  Well, they could maybe, but like, I just the timing is, I guess when it comes to breaking news, the timing could suggest two separate things.
[00:10:53]  And I think your bias would make you want to go in one direction or the other.
[00:10:56]  But the reality is he was kicked out of what meetings?
[00:10:59]  The intel briefings on terrorism pertaining to Iran.
[00:11:02]  Okay.
[00:11:03]  Who is he leaking to?
[00:11:04]  That's an interesting question.
[00:11:06]  That journal.
[00:11:06]  Who was the journalist who published those texts?
[00:11:08]  Yep.
[00:11:08]  I got it.
[00:11:09]  His name is Jeffrey Goldberg.
[00:11:11]  That's right.
[00:11:11]  That's right.
[00:11:12]  Editor of the Atlantic.
[00:11:13]  Editor-in-Chief.
[00:11:14]  Right.
[00:11:15]  So Goldberg got added into it, but again.
[00:11:18]  Oh, right, right, right.
[00:11:20]  Is that leaking it to him?
[00:11:21]  Is that something no?
[00:11:23]  We don't know if that's what was leaked.
[00:11:24]  Well, even Goldberg said it was an assistant.
[00:11:27]  Are you under the belief that the Trump administration is creating an FBI investigation right now that they're going to create documents with past dated?
[00:11:41]  Like, what is your argument?
[00:11:44]  It's more of a question.
[00:11:45]  It's so breaking news that I probably would be cautious to make any argument.
[00:11:48]  My question here is, though, we have an administration that regularly punishes people who step out of line and are no longer sycophantic, right?
[00:11:56]  And so he makes this major public declaration, basically signaling a MAGA schism.
[00:12:02]  It led to you making that post, right, about how the MAGA coalition is falling apart.
[00:12:06]  And then suddenly a day later, well, now the FBI is public about the fact that they're investigating him, but actually it was from before, right?
[00:12:14]  I'm like, if I wanted to besmirch somebody who stepped out of line in a big public way and punish them, this might be one of the ways that I do it.
[00:12:22]  Or maybe he is stepping out, right?
[00:12:24]  This is the problem.
[00:12:25]  It actually could, with the evidence we have, be either of these options.
[00:12:29]  That's the problems I have.
[00:12:31]  If the argument is that he was under FBI investigation, resigned, so then someone in the FBI contacted a journalist in Semaphore and said, look, he's been under investigation.
[00:12:41]  It could be a couple of, it could be very simple.
[00:12:43]  No one asked because he was otherwise unremarkable.
[00:12:47]  So a journalist from Semaphore makes a call to the contacts that she has in the FBI and the DOJ and says, I mean, honestly, here's what I think happened.
[00:12:55]  The dude resigns and says it's over Israel.
[00:12:58]  Immediately we heard from the Trump administration, like Carolyn Levitt, people were putting out like, well, he was, you know, presumed to be a leaker anyway.
[00:13:04]  He was being investigated.
[00:13:06]  Then this journalist contacts people she knows in the DOJ and says, is there an act of investigation into Joe Kent?
[00:13:13]  They then say, yeah, it's, you know, from a year ago.
[00:13:16]  And then she goes, wow.
[00:13:17]  Then she reports it.
[00:13:18]  That's how the information gets out.
[00:13:19]  No one thought to look or ask because, again, he was otherwise unremarkable.
[00:13:22]  I don't mean that as an insult.
[00:13:23]  I'm saying he was not high profile in the press.
[00:13:26]  He wasn't going to big meetings and blasting out information.
[00:13:29]  He was quietly doing his job, or I guess according to the Trump administration, not doing his job.
[00:13:34]  So this, in my opinion, based on the rumors that I've heard from DC, lends itself to let me do this.
[00:13:42]  Let me show you this tweet that Jamie Mitchell says, fascinating stuff, Joe, and it's a post from Joe Kent in January of 2020.
[00:13:50]  The war with Iran talk is very black and white in a gray world.
[00:13:52]  Iran has been at war with us in 79.
[00:13:55]  The killing of Qassam Soleimania, QS, is the first decisive act we have taken against the Iranian terror since the 80s.
[00:14:02]  And that's not the only post he has which indicates that there was perceived to be a threat or a conflict from Iran.
[00:14:08]  He also made a post about how Iran was trying to kill Donald Trump and it's intolerable.
[00:14:12]  So many people are viewing this as a flipping of his opinions on the issue.
[00:14:16]  The first thing I'll say is, perhaps.
[00:14:18]  The next thing I'll say is, well, you know, people are allowed to change their opinions.
[00:14:22]  But I'll say it again.
[00:14:23]  Considering there was an FBI investigation into him predating his resignation and the rumors that I'm hearing from the Beltway is he was doing his job.
[00:14:31]  He was excited to be a part of the administration.
[00:14:33]  They booted him out.
[00:14:34]  They started like, basically, he was not getting the exit he wanted.
[00:14:38]  So he felt personally slighted.
[00:14:40]  Either whatever the issue is started leaking or something, got iced out from these meetings, and they decided to resign because he was basically in golden handcuffs.
[00:14:48]  You know, I think a lot of people who have worked in offices, either in a managerial level or in a non-managerial level, have talked with somebody who is upset with their place of work and then wants to lash out, either justified or not.
[00:15:04]  Again, I'm not saying it's true because I don't know.
[00:15:06]  I'm just saying what I hear from those that are loyal to Trump, and of course you can argue they're biased, is that this guy, for whatever reason, was no good.
[00:15:14]  So they weren't including him.
[00:15:15]  He got pissed off because he thought that he should be in these meetings.
[00:15:19]  And so he was having a tantrum and then resigned and said, yeah, well, you know, Israel made you do it, despite the fact he's been talking about Iran being in conflict with us for a long time.
[00:15:29]  I suppose the other argument is he came to his senses, was granted access to information where he realized Iran is not a threat to the United States, that Israel is forcing our hand, and then in a truly dignified and righteous stance, stood up and said, I will not be party to this administration.
[00:15:45]  I'm just going to add the reason why I don't think that's likely is because they already booted him.
[00:15:48]  So for him to be like, I'm resigning, it's like, yeah, they already kicked you out of the meetings.
[00:15:53]  According to your sources, right?
[00:15:55]  Like, for example.
[00:15:55]  No, no, no, no.
[00:15:56]  Like, well, according to the administration, not my sources, but publicly stated, he was no longer involved in these meetings.
[00:16:03]  And now we're learning that he was under FBI investigation the whole time.
[00:16:07]  That's indicative of there was a problem with his work before he decided to quit.
[00:16:11]  Sure.
[00:16:11]  So the questions I would have is: okay, well, when the Jeffrey Goldberg stuff happens, I would hope that almost everyone in that signal chat is under investigation because they should look at all the people involved and go, who here is responsible for this leak, right?
[00:16:25]  So one of the questions I would have is: if he's involved in this investigation, how many other people are also listed as people in the investigation?
[00:16:32]  And did they experience the same icing that he did?
[00:16:34]  Right.
[00:16:34]  I don't know.
[00:16:35]  Right.
[00:16:36]  What could have happened is that he sees MAGA as a sinking ship.
[00:16:41]  He wants to detach himself from it publicly and politically and saw the Iran war, which is very unpopular, right?
[00:16:49]  As an opportunity to jump ship.
[00:16:51]  He understands that the midterms are looking rough.
[00:16:53]  He knows that Trump his legacy is going to end eventually.
[00:16:56]  And this was the easiest route out.
[00:16:59]  And he took it.
[00:17:00]  And then when the FBI saw that, they're now just dropping information that bespurches him, right?
[00:17:04]  And this is what I'm saying.
[00:17:04]  When it comes to breaking news, it could be both of these things.
[00:17:08]  I would agree with you largely.
[00:17:09]  I think that there is a sect of right-wing personalities that think they think Trump is cooked.
[00:17:16]  And so they're shifting away from him.
[00:17:18]  I think a lot of this has to do with what I would refer to as a mass form.
[00:17:23]  Here we go again.
[00:17:24]  Mass formation psychosis around Israel.
[00:17:26]  And I know, I just, I'm so sick of talking about it, but Joe Kent's resignation has to do with Israel.
[00:17:30]  An overemphasis on Israel in foreign policy, overlooking like that Joe Biden was involved in the Barisma scandal.
[00:17:37]  All of a sudden, it's Israel and the people just ignore this.
[00:17:39]  Or the cutter-turkey pipeline, which I talk about ad nauseum.
[00:17:42]  And all of the past 20 years of foreign policy we've discussed on the show, you have prominent personalities there building a massive base by creating a singular enemy by demagoguing and saying Israel's done everything.
[00:17:54]  So it could be as simple as, and I don't want to say this is exactly what you're saying, but you can clarify after I finish my point, if this is correct.
[00:18:02]  But my view is that it is a strong possibility.
[00:18:05]  Joe Kent getting booted from his meetings.
[00:18:07]  He's reading the room and he's like, look, Candace Owens is getting gangbusters views.
[00:18:10]  Megan, Kelly, Tucker, Carlson, MAGA is not.
[00:18:13]  Ben Shapiro is not.
[00:18:15]  Ben Shapiro's views, they're not bad, but they're way down.
[00:18:18]  And Candace Owens is through the roof.
[00:18:20]  So he's going, which side am I going to go on?
[00:18:22]  I'm going to go on the side that hates Israel.
[00:18:24]  That's where the people are at.
[00:18:26]  I think that there's a decent probability there because of what we have seen with the likes of Megan Kelly, Candace, Tucker, Carlson, Jimmy Dore, and many.
[00:18:35]  Well, to be fair, Jimmy is not a conservative, but many people on the right have just dramatically shifted from being anti-woke to anti-Israel.
[00:18:44]  And I have no idea why.
[00:18:46]  I mean, just people started doing it.
[00:18:49]  Make up any reason you want.
[00:18:50]  Maybe it's just that it's a very compelling argument, I suppose.
[00:18:53]  I think it is wrong.
[00:18:54]  But they've all started doing it.
[00:18:56]  And I will say this, there's a lot of money in it.
[00:18:59]  So, hey, look, if we wanted money, if we wanted to get, you know, 120,000 current viewers, just like old Candace Owens did, we can sit here and rag on Israel.
[00:19:05]  But I don't think that's correct information, unfortunately.
[00:19:07]  I think it's very interesting looking at what's happening to the right because I think the left experienced this type of same kind of populist wave takeover and then the problems that fall out as a ramification of kind of that unholy union, right?
[00:19:18]  So on the right, we've got this populist alt-right, which Joe Kent was somewhat attached to before because when he was getting confirmed, right, that was the Democrats' biggest issue with him is claiming this guy's altruist.
[00:19:28]  He's got Greiper connections.
[00:19:29]  He's a Fuentes type.
[00:19:31]  And so him now continuing in that trajectory as we see this right populist, America-first isolationist kind of zeitgeist getting more popular isn't overly surprising to me.
[00:19:42]  And I think part of the problem is that MAGA really shook hands with these populist further right people and were like, we're the same guys.
[00:19:49]  Even though I was like, neocons are not the same as Nick Funtes.
[00:19:52]  They never were.
[00:19:53]  That's true.
[00:19:54]  But the current trend that we're seeing with like Candace Megan Kelly and what I refer to as like the Israel posters, like Jimmy Doerr is a good example of this.
[00:20:02]  He's not a nationalist, America First guy, but he's posting all about Erica Kirk and Israel quite a bit.
[00:20:08]  There are many leftists who are on the same page.
[00:20:11]  Anna Kasperian of the Young Turks talks about how she watches Candace Noins now.
[00:20:14]  She loves her show.
[00:20:15]  This is a progressive, and it's like they've unified around the issue of Israel specifically.
[00:20:19]  So certainly the neocons, MAGA was very different two or three years ago.
[00:20:26]  It was very different.
[00:20:28]  And so there is a distinction between the America First and the anti-Israel America first.
[00:20:35]  There are people who, I would argue as a predominantly disfected liberal or libertarian, that don't want to fund Israel, but Israel isn't their boogeyman for every single issue.
[00:20:45]  They're more concerned with border security and the U.S. economy and not spending money on Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, whatever country it may be.
[00:20:52]  But then there's a group of people that are just like, nothing matters but Israel.

=== Foreign Bots Manipulate Algorithms (11:46) ===

[00:20:55]  And we've had them on this show and like you could ask them about like, there is a raw bar that sells oysters and then they'll immediately somehow turn it into Israel.
[00:21:04]  Mediterranean?
[00:21:05]  And no.
[00:21:06]  Eastern Mediterranean.
[00:21:07]  Well, are you sure?
[00:21:09]  Yes.
[00:21:10]  And then they'll say, have you ever been to the Mediterranean?
[00:21:12]  And I'm like, why did you bring this up?
[00:21:13]  We were talking about oysters.
[00:21:14]  I'd be like, well, because when I was in Israel and then you're just flipping the table over, like, what does that have to do with anything?
[00:21:19]  So I have a lot of conspiracy theories, I suppose, or theories on this.
[00:21:24]  One I would say is that it's potentially just an emergent phenomenon without the constraints of, well, I would say not with constraints because the progressives don't like Israel either.
[00:21:39]  But you are seeing on X, people will get thousands of retweets when they just blame the Jews for something.
[00:21:47]  And I think this has to do with the foreigners that are operating bot accounts that we know they are.
[00:21:52]  There are a lot of anti-Israel countries in this world.
[00:21:54]  There's a lot of Muslim nations in this world that don't like Israel.
[00:21:58]  And they can click retweet.
[00:21:59]  And then if you're an American influencer and you make a post and you get 10,000 retweets, you're going to do it again because these people are just like, wow, this must be what people like.
[00:22:09]  Well, I'll tell you what I think.
[00:22:10]  I think I'm going to tell you what I think is true based on the facts and not based on what is going to get the most views.
[00:22:16]  And sometimes that means we won't get that many views, but at least we'll be more likely to be correct.
[00:22:22]  I'm curious, though, you know, I know you may just be a former actor guy, but following all of this stuff and seeing this shift and what people refer to as the mega civil war, whatever, like, what is your take on all this?
[00:22:34]  Well, I think that, well, firstly, talk about Joe Kent, right?
[00:22:37]  I think what is disappointing for me about that is that he was held in such high regard by so many people and so many people that I know that served with him.
[00:22:47]  And that's been very disappointing to me that when you resign, you have to burn the bridges.
[00:22:52]  Like, can't you just resign like the way it used to be and just go off and say, thank you very much.
[00:22:57]  I'm done.
[00:22:57]  I'm moving on.
[00:22:59]  I think exactly what you said as well, that it would make sense that if the FBI was investigating him earlier on, that maybe it got to a point where it was a problem for national security.
[00:23:10]  So we couldn't be in those meetings just by necessity if he's being investigated.
[00:23:14]  So it makes sense to me that he was being investigated before.
[00:23:18]  As far as the groups are concerned, I feel that, and we spoke about this earlier on, that the left has been trying to balkanize us for a long time.
[00:23:31]  And we've kind of resisted it to a degree.
[00:23:34]  And over the past few months, I'd say, it really has been moving into those directions.
[00:23:41]  like people feel like they have to have a take.
[00:23:44]  You know, they have to, you either you hate Israel or you love Israel.
[00:23:47]  You can't like say, well, as you just said, well, listen, I don't want to fund them.
[00:23:52]  But I see, I can look here and see that Americas and Israels have similar goals in this, so they join for this.
[00:24:01]  Nobody makes the argument about Saudi Arabia and all the other Gulf or all these other Arab countries coming together.
[00:24:08]  You never see someone saying, well, you're doing Saudi Arabia's bidding ever.
[00:24:13]  Right.
[00:24:13]  And that's peculiar to me.
[00:24:15]  And especially with the expiration of the petrodollar contract, Trump is particularly deferential to Saudi Arabia.
[00:24:21]  But again, that never comes up.
[00:24:23]  So I wonder if, you know, people say that Qatar is funding a lot of this stuff.
[00:24:30]  And I'm like, I don't know.
[00:24:32]  I don't know who's funding it, but Google certainly knows what's going on.
[00:24:37]  They know that their algorithm props up people who break the rules.
[00:24:39]  So the only assumption one could make is that they want it to happen for whatever reason.
[00:24:46]  Whatever conspiracy theory you may think of.
[00:24:49]  I think it's always, this is like one of the worst things about evil or wrongdoing is that so often it's banal in its purposes.
[00:24:57]  Like, why does Google maybe allow certain algorithms to be overtaken, probably by Russian and Chinese bots that are trying to sell like dissidents amongst our democracy?
[00:25:06]  Because it makes the money.
[00:25:07]  They can sell it to advertisers.
[00:25:09]  As long as they have sufficient plausible deniability, they can get away with it because there isn't really great rules about the internet because it's kind of the wild west.
[00:25:18]  It doesn't always have to be this like string puppeteer at the top.
[00:25:21]  Oftentimes it's really simple machinations of like wanting money and having enough plausible deniability to get away with it, right?
[00:25:29]  Like every con man's line is, if I wasn't conning people, somebody else would be, right?
[00:25:34]  Yeah.
[00:25:35]  The crazy thing about it is when I ask people, you know, if, you know, why is Candace Owens on the front page of YouTube?
[00:25:44]  When you open a new account, why is she a recommended personality?
[00:25:47]  Certainly, right, she has broken many of the rules and she's being sued for a lot of these things.
[00:25:53]  There's specific rules against brigading and targeting personalities or making accusations and things like that that people have gotten strikes for.
[00:26:00]  Other people have gotten their channels outright deleted without warning for doing less than she's done.
[00:26:05]  And when I bring this up to people, they say it's because the Jews want it to happen.
[00:26:09]  Now, I'm not kidding.
[00:26:10]  They say they want to be hated to bring on the Messianic era, which I suppose the argument then is the Jews are propping up Candace Owens for the purpose of fulfilling their whims, which means Candace Owens' anti-Israel content and Candace Owens herself are a function of Israel's desires.
[00:26:26]  Like none of it makes sense.
[00:26:28]  But you know what?
[00:26:28]  Maybe the real point is just to make sure none of it makes sense.
[00:26:31]  And my view of what's currently going on based on the conversations I've had, and I know I've said this 800,000 times for the sake of the guests here, the big networks, you know, CBS, HBO, whatever, NBC, they are looking to buy up prominent shows.
[00:26:46]  And the path, like where we are going is YouTube is being dominated by AI-generated slop content.
[00:26:52]  There's more and more videos videos popping up explaining how to make slop content, interviews in prominent news outlets with people who do it saying in two hours, you can make 500 videos per day and make 100,000 per month.
[00:27:06]  And so what that's going to do is just massively flood the zone.
[00:27:10]  Independent channels without the ability to be on top of the mountain of the broadcast tower will get drowned out.
[00:27:15]  They will not be able to make a living doing these things and they will be relegated to small back corners of the internet.
[00:27:21]  Then the networks are going to buy out the shows they view to be compelling, put them on their apps, and then you're going to have 10 big shows in politics and it's going to go back to the way things used to be where you had CNN with 10 million views per night and no one watched anything but Anderson Cooper or,
[00:27:38]  you know, at the time you still had Hannity and Rachel Maddow centralizing all views within a small handful of people where they may disagree on certain issues, but they all agree on basically the most important things, which is largely war.
[00:27:52]  You think we'll go back like the genies out of it.
[00:27:54]  It's going to be all with the internet video.
[00:27:55]  I don't, I mean, maybe humans could be, could be lulled back to sleep, but I don't know.
[00:28:01]  Maybe part of us, some of us will, and then there'll be a resistance that's a free network.
[00:28:05]  No, I think what we've seen with many of these YouTubers that are willing to talk about Candace Owens, I think they've proven it to anyone with eyes.
[00:28:14]  These people never had a genuine opinion.
[00:28:17]  They were just making videos about what they thought would make them money.
[00:28:20]  And so take a look at the individuals who make video after video about Erica Kirk's pants or whatever, you know, or like the look on her face because she did an interview and they're just like, look at her face.
[00:28:31]  Like, why is her face looking like that?
[00:28:33]  And I'm like, literally nothing's happening in the video, but they know they're going to get a ton of views.
[00:28:36]  Or that guy who went to a shopping center and said, why is Turning Point paying fees to an LLC in a parking lot when he knew full well he was in front of a UPS store with mailboxes where it is presumed the LLCs were registered to.
[00:28:51]  These people just say whatever they have to say to make money.
[00:28:53]  And that's been the argument for a long time.
[00:28:55]  So that's what we're looking at now.
[00:28:57]  We'll see that manifests in the midterms.
[00:28:58]  But you want to see him.
[00:29:00]  Well, yeah, when Google bought YouTube, I was making videos on YouTube 2007 and I was like, well, here we go.
[00:29:05]  Get ready for the corporatization of communication.
[00:29:08]  And then a bunch of my friends started getting really rich doing maker studios and like all they would sit and watch the analytics and they're like, they started calling it content.
[00:29:16]  I'm like, dude, it's not.
[00:29:17]  It's me communicating to you.
[00:29:19]  I'm talking to you.
[00:29:20]  This is me.
[00:29:20]  It's product.
[00:29:21]  And they'd be like, yes, our product is doing well in the market of analytics.
[00:29:25]  And I'm like, oh, my God.
[00:29:26]  And like, it just became about getting the money.
[00:29:28]  It became about the views.
[00:29:29]  Not just the money, but it became heavily about the money and being the, I mean, relevancy is one thing, but the money, when Google got that money in there, it's not that, I mean, I don't think you started doing this, Tim, for money.
[00:29:42]  I didn't start doing this for money.
[00:29:44]  I still don't.
[00:29:46]  It's like that you can get paid for.
[00:29:47]  It's still fucking insane.
[00:29:48]  I mean, it's a job.
[00:29:49]  I'd like to be able to make a living doing something.
[00:29:52]  But the reason we get here is because I was making videos and they weren't making money.
[00:29:57]  And then one day they were.
[00:29:58]  I was like, oh, wow.
[00:29:59]  Look at that.
[00:29:59]  I don't got to do anything else.
[00:30:00]  I watched like maybe 80 or 85% of my friends fall into the obsessed with the money part of it when that happened to them too.
[00:30:06]  And they're like, oh, shit, you can make money off this video.
[00:30:08]  It's not so much the money, though.
[00:30:09]  I think for a lot of these people, it's the viewership.
[00:30:10]  It's looking at that number.
[00:30:11]  It's like putting out a video and seeing 300,000.
[00:30:15]  And you're like, wow, I filled three stadiums.
[00:30:18]  And they get addicted to that social acceptance.
[00:30:21]  It's the same thing we see with like teenage girls on Instagram.
[00:30:24]  They post a picture of themselves.
[00:30:26]  And if they don't get enough likes, they delete it and then post a new one.
[00:30:29]  And they get depressed when their metrics go down.
[00:30:32]  One thing I've pointed out quite a bit is that you will get YouTubers, and you can look throughout history of YouTube, that will have like breakdown videos where they're crying, saying, I just can't do this anymore.
[00:30:43]  And all you got to do is look at their past several videos, and you'll almost always see like 1 million views, 900,000 views, 700,000 views, 400,000 views, mental breakdown video.
[00:30:56]  Guys, I can't do this anymore.
[00:30:57]  And it's because it's a normal human thing where they feel like I am fighting as hard as I can, but no matter what I do, I'm failing.
[00:31:05]  Instead of just making videos because they have something to talk about and they want to talk about something, they're actually feeling more and more depressed because they're not getting views anymore.
[00:31:14]  It's a sad cycle because the more miserable you get, the less interesting you are to watch.
[00:31:17]  So the people that get sad about being sad and then their views go down and they're sad about that, which makes the views even worse.
[00:31:23]  No, I think it's different from that.
[00:31:26]  When they make the, I'm dying and I can't do this anymore video, they get 10 million views and then YouTube boosts them in the algorithm again.
[00:31:32]  They make another video and they're back to getting a million views and they're like, you know what?
[00:31:35]  I'm feeling good now.
[00:31:37]  It's a psychotic machine.
[00:31:39]  You're right about the relevancy obsession.
[00:31:41]  Yeah, PewDiePie just put a video talking about algorithm brain and how everyone's being made to be retarded by these social media algorithms.
[00:31:50]  And he actually made a few good points.
[00:31:51]  He said, get a separate device for browsing social media and don't make an account.
[00:31:55]  Just always use like a private browser or use a device not yours so that none of your apps, none of your emails, nothing is connected to it.
[00:32:03]  Otherwise, they're going to start manipulating you to see things they want you to see, which is creepy, but that's the way it works.
[00:32:08]  So stop chasing the algorithm and that growth for the sake of growth is cancer or can become cancerous.
[00:32:13]  Corporations, the ethos of we must expand for the, I think that's going to change too, because a corporation that just grows for the sake of growth ends up overtaking itself and strangling out its own system.
[00:32:23]  Like becomes a machine.
[00:32:24]  sustainable corporations man that their whole sole purpose is to sustain the environment and if you can live like that as a creator too it's not about you mean like a generic environment like just the system that they've built is to sustain itself Yeah, to sustain the luxury and the beauty that's provided for you to create what you're, you know.

=== PAC Money Funds Moderates (04:46) ===

[00:32:41]  This is why nonprofits don't work because the function of a nonprofit should be to put itself out of business.
[00:32:46]  But have a 20-year-old nonprofit with an executive director who signed on three years ago who makes $200,000 a year and he's going to be like, I don't want to lose my job.
[00:32:53]  But let's jump to this story.
[00:32:54]  We got more news.
[00:32:55]  It's from Axios.
[00:32:56]  The squad left suffers complete wipeout in Illinois.
[00:33:00]  Heavens me, all the progressives got just wiped out.
[00:33:04]  And here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:33:07]  I got a question for you guys.
[00:33:09]  What do you think Axios focuses on in this article about the progressives losing in Illinois?
[00:33:16]  What do you think is the true subject and focal point of this article?
[00:33:21]  Racism.
[00:33:22]  APAC.
[00:33:23]  You are correct because you probably read it, right?
[00:33:25]  I just, I've seen APAC posting all day.
[00:33:28]  It's Israel.
[00:33:29]  Like running laps.
[00:33:30]  So I pull up an article talking about progressives losing.
[00:33:34]  And these are people who are protesting ICE operations at DHS.
[00:33:38]  But again, welcome to the psycho-babble reality because the whole article is just about APAC.
[00:33:44]  That's it.
[00:33:45]  Now, to be fair, APAC did back a bunch of their opponents and then celebrate.
[00:33:49]  But there's certainly a lot more to talk about than just APAC.
[00:33:52]  If you want to talk about APAC, that's fine.
[00:33:54]  But literally every point in this, like how many times, let's just do this.
[00:33:59]  12 times in this article, look at this.
[00:34:03]  It's so frustrating, too, because I'm very critical of APAC, but I'm critical of APAC for the same reason I'm critical of almost every single super PAC and carry committee, which is that I don't like unreported money and I don't like high power special interest lobby groups having so much capacity and weight in our elections, regardless of like what they're for, right?
[00:34:24]  I don't want oil lobbyists just like funding and driving.
[00:34:27]  I don't like that.
[00:34:28]  I don't like carry committees.
[00:34:30]  I think that they're bad generally.
[00:34:32]  I think they've been bad for a democracy.
[00:34:34]  So what do you think it says about Illinois that the progressives lost?
[00:34:39]  Is this an argument of APAC just spent enough money to crush them, or is it that most people don't like these progressive Democrats?
[00:34:47]  I'd have to see what the funding differences were because a lot of people know that when you're running elections, funding makes a huge difference of who wins because a lot of election is just getting people to see your name and face, right?
[00:35:00]  Because most voters are not that informed.
[00:35:02]  Most voters aren't on Instagram looking for Kat and liking her stuff.
[00:35:06]  And I think a lot of progressives are trying to take the Soron Mamdani, kind of Gavin Newsome social media strategy, and really trying to utilize alt media to campaign themselves.
[00:35:14]  James Talarico did it really successfully as well.
[00:35:17]  But I think one of the issues that they have to contend with is that if you have massive carry committees funding moderates and moderates will take it, because a lot of these people won't take PAC money or they'll take very limited PAC money, you just can't get your name out there, right?
[00:35:30]  The reality is that a lot of elections are won by who spends the most.
[00:35:34]  Not always.
[00:35:34]  And sometimes there are breakout elections, but the statistical norm is that.
[00:35:39]  Well, I suppose like an article like this, the progressives are going to make the arguments and they're going to rally a ton of support from conservatives that Israel interfered to stop the far left from losing.
[00:35:49]  Then I imagine with articles like that, I mean, this is Axios, right?
[00:35:52]  Axios is supposed to just be like plain old report in the news.
[00:35:56]  They do lean liberal on a lot of issues, but certainly you can criticize APAC for funding candidates, but there are many other issues in this election.
[00:36:04]  Notably, like Kat Abu Gazela, for instance, was arrested.
[00:36:06]  She was at these ICE protests.
[00:36:08]  That's going to sour her view to many individuals who live in Illinois.
[00:36:13]  She's also Palestinian, pro-Palestine, critical of Israel in the most Jewish district in the state, I believe, in Evanston.
[00:36:21]  So, again, that does play a role, but all they do is talk about APAC.
[00:36:26]  What'll be interesting is I've made the arguments, half-jokingly, that the future of the left and the right will be anti- and pro-Israel.
[00:36:35]  That you've got it's terrifying to think about.
[00:36:39]  Yeah, I think what unifies the whatever this group is, the anti-Israel right with the left, and it's the issue of Israel.
[00:36:50]  You could take Tucker Carlson and bring him on the Young Turks at this point, and they will get along perfectly.
[00:36:57]  I mean, the fact that, like, Anna Kasparian says she's a fan of Candace and watches her show, so long as the issue is Israel, these people have come together and aren't really arguing these other issues anymore.
[00:37:07]  And the reason why I say that the potential for the future of the left and right will be Israel, anti-Israel, is that you can take a look at the previous coalition for MAGA, which was disaffected liberals who were maybe like pro-progressive tax, but were now aligned with the Republican Party who was opposed to this because they were concerned about like gender dysphoria issues or critical race theory.

=== Section 230 Filtration System (09:55) ===

[00:37:28]  Well, I think you know, you mentioned something earlier going back to when you said you know you're at a stage where you didn't have views and then you had views.
[00:37:37]  And it's probably around the same time that the entertainment industry was getting more and more emboldened with the way that they wanted to influence culture.
[00:37:47]  So if you look at something like this, where you've got 12 references to APAC in there, that's really obvious.
[00:37:54]  I mean, all you've got to do is look at it and say, boom, So when you have someone else that's coming out and they're saying, hey, listen, I'm just telling you the way I think and I'm being reasonable and I'm not being swayed one way or the other by money or by bias.
[00:38:07]  I'm just telling you the way I have, the way I am, there's an element of authenticity there.
[00:38:12]  And I think that what you, what you, and I was just going back to talk about what you were saying earlier, that nobody trusts the mainstream media anymore.
[00:38:24]  Nobody trusts CNN.
[00:38:26]  Nobody trusts Fox anymore, right?
[00:38:28]  Like nobody trusts any of these people.
[00:38:30]  So I think that what is going to happen with the increasing, because they're not stopping, right?
[00:38:34]  You think that they'd be like, hey, hang on a minute.
[00:38:36]  This is a little bit too obvious.
[00:38:38]  It's a little bit too obvious, right?
[00:38:40]  Let's let's just scale it back a little bit.
[00:38:43]  They're not doing that.
[00:38:44]  So there's going to come a point because they do want to make money.
[00:38:46]  They are essentially, certainly on the news shows, they are entertainment, right?
[00:38:51]  They want to get the clicks.
[00:38:53]  So they will go back, I believe.
[00:38:54]  And I do think they'll do what you're saying.
[00:38:57]  Certainly with the way that YouTube is moving with all the crap that's on there, that it's going to end up, they're going to come in and they're going to say, okay, well, I'm going to bring these people in and try and make them mainstream and make their own news organizations through it.
[00:39:12]  And hopefully, you know, that might be a good thing in a way because you still have authenticity.
[00:39:18]  Because if you think about it, like the YouTubers that have been a success have done it themselves.
[00:39:24]  They've bootstrapped it.
[00:39:25]  Whereas if you look back at the Yur Anderson Coopers and whatever, it's the channel.
[00:39:31]  The channel was the platform, right?
[00:39:34]  The channel was already there.
[00:39:35]  It already had funding.
[00:39:36]  It had money behind it.
[00:39:37]  And so they kind of slotted into that.
[00:39:39]  And when they started parroting the BS and everyone was like, hang on a second, like what?
[00:39:44]  How did you, how did you come to that?
[00:39:46]  It was rejected for more authentic people.
[00:39:50]  I'm telling y'all right now, it's already happening.
[00:39:54]  And the big networks know that like Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, this model is on the way out.
[00:40:01]  People don't trust them anymore and their views are largely pumped up, but it's not organically sustaining itself.
[00:40:07]  So Colbert can do well in terms of his videos, but it's because YouTube puts them up on the front page, default viewership, because he is Colbert, because it is, you know, NBC is CBS or NBC.
[00:40:18]  These networks have a mandate right now to purchase authentic feeling podcasts.
[00:40:24]  Fox News launched the Hennedy podcast, Hanging Out with Sean Hennedy, because they know they have to do this, otherwise they will cease to exist.
[00:40:31]  70-year-olds, you know, a big component is the viewership of these channels is in their 70s.
[00:40:38]  And that's it.
[00:40:39]  They're not getting the views in the key demo.
[00:40:41]  So what's going to happen is there's going to be a semi-decentralized series of podcasts picked up by every major network.
[00:40:48]  Everybody else, you are going to be on YouTube and you're going to be fighting against AI content that can be produced 10 times as fast for a tenth of the money.
[00:40:56]  And there's no way you'll make it.
[00:40:58]  Regular, one more point.
[00:40:59]  Regular people are going to say, I don't use YouTube.
[00:41:02]  It's just noise.
[00:41:03]  YouTube will start to prop up just like the other big networks.
[00:41:07]  Let me put it like this.
[00:41:09]  I have already had conversations with powerful executives that are making these moves.
[00:41:13]  It was explained to me a month ago that a meeting was held in Florida between large television networks to discuss specifically how they purchase podcasts and take the space over.
[00:41:22]  They didn't say it's so nefariously.
[00:41:23]  They said, we recognize that the industry has shifted.
[00:41:25]  These old shows don't work anymore.
[00:41:27]  And so the mandate of these companies is to start acquiring prominent shows and authentic podcasts that we can put on the network and generate money through because that model works better.
[00:41:38]  So what we're going to see is YouTube will be a network just like Paramount Plus, Netflix, or any of these other channels.
[00:41:47]  The way they're going to operate, though, is not going to be the same where it'll be somewhat like a hybrid between Amazon and say Paramount Plus.
[00:41:55]  Paramount Plus owns IP.
[00:41:57]  You pay per month and you get the shows they make.
[00:41:59]  And they got awesome shows, but Landman's fantastic.
[00:42:01]  And they got all the Star Trek stuff.
[00:42:03]  So I like it.
[00:42:04]  YouTube is supposedly the user-generated content of organic producers.
[00:42:09]  But it's becoming increasingly more difficult to be an organic creator on YouTube.
[00:42:14]  Amazon is the you buy it.
[00:42:17]  They do have their originals, so you can sign up for Prime, but they have certain creators they allow to be on the platform.
[00:42:23]  You register, you get approved, and then you can submit your movies and Amazon will host them and you can make money, but not everyone can do it.
[00:42:29]  YouTube is going to be a kind of a hybrid between that, where there will be people who start their own channels, but then YouTube behind the scenes is going to decide this channel should be on the front page.
[00:42:38]  And that's largely what we're seeing right now.
[00:42:39]  We're seeing who they've chosen to be at the top of YouTube.
[00:42:43]  Obviously, Mr. Beast is one of them.
[00:42:45]  Whether or not people actually care to watch Mr. Beast shows, YouTube has decided this is family-friendly, generic entertainment.
[00:42:52]  You know, I'm not saying that disrespectfully.
[00:42:54]  It's like very basic.
[00:42:55]  That's going to be on the front page.
[00:42:57]  They've decided that a series of other political personalities with certain views are going to get heavily promoted and others are not.
[00:43:03]  I think a lot of this will come down to liability, though, right, as well.
[00:43:06]  Like one of the issues that I think mainstream is always going to have, like something like CBS, is that they have a lot more liability to the content that they put out there.
[00:43:13]  They can be held accountable if Sean Hannity goes on like a crazy long anti-Semitic rant, right?
[00:43:19]  Whereas Candace Owens, YouTube isn't held liable for it because YouTube's being like, well, we're not producing any of this.
[00:43:25]  We just make a platform.
[00:43:26]  We try to, you know, mandate some of these things.
[00:43:29]  So I think a lot of this is going to come down to probably different lawsuits.
[00:43:32]  I think that the cron lawsuit against Candace Owens will be really important to look at of who has liability for what type of content.
[00:43:40]  And this is why I think right now alt media can be so successful with a lot of this more conspiratorial stuff is because YouTube is not liable for Candace Owens screaming every day about Erica Kirk being a trans or a Jew or like whatever else she says about Erica Kirk.
[00:43:54]  But CBS might actually be liable for that and they won't take that risk on it.
[00:43:59]  Not for long.
[00:43:59]  We've got this story from the verge.
[00:44:01]  Congress considers blowing up internet law.
[00:44:05]  Section 230 is not one of the Ten Commandments.
[00:44:08]  There was a hearing today over Section 230 and this is largely overlooked and the Verge is not going to let us read the article.
[00:44:14]  So I'll have to offer to log in.
[00:44:15]  But I'll give you a quick bit.
[00:44:17]  Internet Platforms Liability Shield Section 230 faced another round of attack at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing on Wednesday, this time with two distinct undercurrents complaining in the conversation.
[00:44:25]  One was an unprecedented wave of ongoing legal challenges to the law's scope.
[00:44:29]  And the second was a heightened bipartisan concern over government censorship.
[00:44:33]  I genuinely believe, well, I shouldn't say genuinely believe, but I would put it this way.
[00:44:38]  There is a strong probability that Section 230 goes a bye-bye.
[00:44:42]  For those who are not familiar with what Section 230 is, it is blanket immunity in an absolutely ridiculous way for internet content providers.
[00:44:54]  What it's supposed to do.
[00:44:56]  Well, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is supposed to, basically, the argument is this.
[00:45:02]  I'm a website.
[00:45:03]  You can post stuff to it.
[00:45:05]  You made the post, not me.
[00:45:07]  You can't sue me because of what someone posted on my site.
[00:45:11]  However, Section 230 is a protection.
[00:45:13]  It's more than just that.
[00:45:15]  It's specifically to allow a website to remove content they find objectionable, lewd, and lascivious without facing liability.
[00:45:23]  And that's where things get weird.
[00:45:25]  This blanket immunity has resulted in psychotic levels of defamation for which many people have consistently challenged it.
[00:45:33]  At the same time, it's basically the only reason user-generated content websites can exist.
[00:45:38]  The question then becomes: why is YouTube allowed to have a political and editorial agenda?
[00:45:44]  They do.
[00:45:45]  When they create rules saying that you can't disparage one group, but you can another, that is an editorial guideline.
[00:45:52]  And then allowing that content to exist is propping that content up.
[00:45:55]  Certainly, they bear some responsibility there.
[00:45:58]  The issue is that there is no unified definition of lewd and lascivious.
[00:46:02]  And as our culture has bifurcated, they've come out saying, you're allowed to insult white people because no one cares, but you can insult black people.
[00:46:09]  Well, then conservatives get mad and say, why?
[00:46:11]  That's racist.
[00:46:12]  So now you have YouTube saying, we're going to remove anything that insults black people, but not white people, because we find only one thing objectionable, creating this political conundrum where now there is a question of whether or not any of these sites should actually have liability shields.
[00:46:26]  I have entertained the prospect, I don't know how probable it is for a while now, that we could enter a future where Section 230 is dead and YouTube has a sort of filtration system for new content where the rules become particularly egregious.
[00:46:42]  That means YouTube says, if you say anything that results in a lawsuit against YouTube, you will be banned instantly.
[00:46:50]  Because YouTube wants to be using generated content, but without immunity protections from Section 230, they can't be.
[00:46:57]  So how you hybridize a scenario where they lose Section 230, I honestly don't know.
[00:47:01]  The only result then is that YouTube will turn into a website where you have to apply for approval and have a meeting with YouTube to determine, and they would ask you, show us examples of content you have made in the past.
[00:47:13]  And if we believe that this is safe content, we will then approve you or worse.
[00:47:18]  Anyone can upload a video, but it has to be reviewed by a human at YouTube before it gets confirmed to post.

=== Hybridizing Without Immunity Protections (15:49) ===

[00:47:24]  I think this is a strong possibility of where we're going.
[00:47:26]  And it lends into what I was saying about the big networks trying to take back the narrative machine.
[00:47:31]  So I don't know what you guys think, but we're going to make it through this one or what?
[00:47:35]  Yeah, the antidote is for people to upload and maintain their own data with networks, kind of like BitTorrent systems, where I'll just be hosting my own videos locally on my device and you'll be able to subscribe.
[00:47:49]  And then we'll have networks of networks that are interoperating.
[00:47:52]  So it takes the load off of central systems because you can't have liability on central systems or they shut down.
[00:47:58]  Yeah, I'm really of two minds here because I think on one hand, I'm a really big proponent of free speech.
[00:48:03]  And obviously a lot of these platforms have become kind of our town square.
[00:48:07]  And so people having high, high, basically stakeholder, because it's fundamentally what they're going to get rid of is stuff that makes them liable and stuff that their stakeholders don't like.
[00:48:16]  Deciding what free speech is on the platform feels a little bit spooky, even though it's a private entity.
[00:48:21]  And at the same time, I really hate the way that Russia and China have been able to utilize bot farms to cause so much political polarization and rage through intentional kind of like bot farming and AI slop and all these sort of things that I think is actively dangerous for democracy, let alone for kids, right?
[00:48:45]  I think that people increasingly don't even know what's real.
[00:48:48]  It's terrifying talking to my dad and being like, yeah, that crocodile video like at the person's door is not real.
[00:48:52]  That's AI.
[00:48:53]  That's not a real idea.
[00:48:55]  I have a question.
[00:48:57]  With all due respect to the boomers that are watching, some of you probably agree.
[00:49:02]  Is there something wrong with boomers?
[00:49:04]  There was a lot of lead in gasoline for a while.
[00:49:07]  Seriously, that's not unironically.
[00:49:09]  Is that what has resulted in like the people who believe this tend to be boomers?
[00:49:14]  You know that phenomenon where the Native Americans would stand on the beach and look out at the ocean day after day after day.
[00:49:19]  And then all of a sudden one wise native was out there and watching and he's like, there's something out there, a ship.
[00:49:24]  None of them had ever seen a ship before.
[00:49:26]  So they didn't understand what it was.
[00:49:28]  Therefore, they didn't see the thing because they weren't able to comprehend the concept.
[00:49:31]  And I think that's what's happening with these people.
[00:49:33]  You're right.
[00:49:33]  I'm a Democrat now.
[00:49:35]  Uh-oh.
[00:49:36]  That wasn't my intention.
[00:49:37]  No, no, I just, I just realized it.
[00:49:39]  I mean, if we can approach it, the Democratic Party is the party of say whatever you have to say to convince stupid people to vote for you.
[00:49:46]  And I've just realized that, you know what?
[00:49:48]  There's a good 20% of people at the high end of the bell curve who can understand what's going on.
[00:49:52]  Maybe all of us who understand that should just seize the power by lying to people like Democrats do.
[00:49:56]  Because most people are standing on the beach and they can't see the ship.
[00:49:59]  And I'm sitting here screaming, Mother Effer, there's a ship right there.
[00:50:02]  And they're like, no, it's a Jew.
[00:50:03]  Trump.
[00:50:04]  Famous truth teller Trump.
[00:50:06]  You know that.
[00:50:07]  I'd say Trump was a famous truth teller.
[00:50:09]  I don't know if it's just Democrats.
[00:50:10]  The difficulty that, well, the frustrating thing about this is that they're already censoring us.
[00:50:16]  Right.
[00:50:16]  They're already censoring us.
[00:50:17]  So all they're going to get, all you're going to get if they pass this is more censorship towards the people on the right.
[00:50:25]  But don't we, we have to censor ourselves.
[00:50:28]  They say that, yeah, but they're like, oh, it's like we, we, we're fair now, but they're not fair.
[00:50:33]  Like you're saying, you know who they're pushing.
[00:50:35]  I got to be honest, I think who are they pushing?
[00:50:40]  You're saying there are certain people that they're putting in the algorithms.
[00:50:42]  Yes, but at the same time, Larry Ellison bought CBS and Free Press, and Barry Weiss is a proud Zionist.
[00:50:47]  So I actually think there is an elite civil war going on.
[00:50:51]  Ah, civil war.
[00:50:51]  I said it.
[00:50:52]  But not in the context you guys normally are used to.
[00:50:54]  We've talked about this since Trump got elected, that he's a powerful billionaire.
[00:50:57]  Other billionaires don't like him.
[00:50:59]  And that they've tried to remove him from power.
[00:51:01]  It seems like there's a political battle between different special interest elitist groups.
[00:51:07]  And I wonder if it has to do with China versus the U.S. and plans for what the liberal economic order will look like.
[00:51:14]  What I can say, though, is certainly YouTube is propping up people of a certain political viewpoint.
[00:51:19]  But now we've got the purchase of TikTok and CBS, which is an inverse political viewpoint.
[00:51:24]  I'm just sitting here being like, you got billionaires on both sides propping it up.
[00:51:28]  Maybe there's no civil war.
[00:51:29]  Maybe they're doing it to make everybody fight each other over a dumb, I won't swear, dumb-ish.
[00:51:33]  I mean, like, there's this interesting thing, right?
[00:51:36]  If you go to like the Curtis Yarvin kind of like the dark right, which the dark right.
[00:51:41]  The dark right here.
[00:51:41]  I know I'm giving you a great segue for your, uh, one of the topics we talked about before, but Yarvin and a lot of the billionaires that are his proponents are accelerationists, right?
[00:51:53]  They are anti-democratic.
[00:51:54]  They think that democracies don't work.
[00:51:56]  They've been tried and they failed.
[00:51:57]  And they do genuinely want to see like the ending of the democratic liberal order.
[00:52:04]  And when I say liberal, I don't mean Democrats.
[00:52:05]  I mean just like liberalism of democracy.
[00:52:09]  And I think that there are other oligarchs who fundamentally think that capitalism and democracy has been broadly good and want to continue fighting for this.
[00:52:18]  That's my suspicion.
[00:52:19]  What do you mean by democracy?
[00:52:21]  The representation that we, representative democracy, which we have in America right now.
[00:52:27]  So, without getting into semantics, we're a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives.
[00:52:32]  Sure, but...
[00:52:33]  Which is distinctly different from...
[00:52:34]  Why did the founding fathers not say democracy, do you know?
[00:52:37]  Why did they not say democracy?
[00:52:38]  Yeah, why did they define it in the way that you defined it?
[00:52:40]  They defined it as a republic.
[00:52:41]  Yeah, why did they not say democracy?
[00:52:42]  Well, the presumption is that direct democracy means the people vote on their laws.
[00:52:45]  Right.
[00:52:46]  They didn't like the Grecian democracy.
[00:52:47]  In fact, the 17th Amendment fundamentally changed the structure of our government because it used to be that the states would appoint senators to the federal government.
[00:52:57]  And now it's the people voting for it, which dramatically altered what the Founding Fathers' vision was.
[00:53:01]  Oh, well, sort of.
[00:53:03]  It depends on which Founding Father you're talking about.
[00:53:05]  Well, sure, sure.
[00:53:05]  Because the system they created, obviously there was dissent.
[00:53:08]  There were the Federals and Anti-Federalists.
[00:53:10]  But the system they created functioned as you voted for your state reps, your states were effectively their own entities, and then the state would appoint senators to go to the federal government.
[00:53:17]  Right, but they were very open in acknowledging because for them, suffrage was about stakeholdership.
[00:53:22]  All they wanted is to make sure that the people who were voting had stakes in the country.
[00:53:25]  I agree with that.
[00:53:26]  Right?
[00:53:26]  I do too.
[00:53:27]  I actually think that I think that stakeholdership, the issue is they at the time were like, oh, what's the best test of stakeholdership in our brand new little baby country?
[00:53:34]  Well, at the time, it was actually landowning, right?
[00:53:36]  Because they're like, well, landowners are the most motivated to make sure the Brits don't take the colonies back.
[00:53:40]  So we're going to give it to landowners.
[00:53:42]  But they were always open that it would have to update and that suffrage would have to change based on proper stakeholdership.
[00:53:48]  I think now being a citizen over 18 is sufficient stakeholdership.
[00:53:52]  No, which is why every political philosopher will tell you we have a democracy.
[00:53:56]  It's just a, it's a representative democracy.
[00:53:58]  It's not a direct democracy.
[00:53:59]  Well, actually, actually, we have to argue we have simultaneously a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic, and they're trying to coexist within the same space.
[00:54:07]  And that's what's causing a lot of these problems.
[00:54:10]  Because I certainly don't agree that being 18 and a citizen is sufficient because you have people who don't understand and don't care voting simply because the strategy of the Democrats, the reason why they don't want the SAVE Act, for instance, has nothing to do with illegal immigrants voting.
[00:54:25]  Like the conservatives will say, the Democrats want illegal immigrants to vote, which is not true.
[00:54:29]  The Democrats want to send young activists to rock concerts to register people to vote who don't know and don't care.
[00:54:34]  Then they can do ballot, they can go ballot harvesting or they can do voter drives and get people who aren't paying attention to vote.
[00:54:40]  That is bad for any democracy, whether it's a constitutional republic with democratic institutions.
[00:54:45]  Maybe.
[00:54:46]  Would you actually argue that uninformed, ignorant people being pressured to vote is a good thing for a system?
[00:54:52]  I think it could be.
[00:54:53]  I think, well, here, I think.
[00:54:55]  How?
[00:54:56]  Well, I think that voting and self-interest is the best way to vote.
[00:54:58]  I think that when voters are uninformed and stupid and they just vote for what's best for them, that I think is...
[00:55:03]  But they're not voting for what's best for them.
[00:55:05]  I think they usually are, right?
[00:55:06]  This is why small business owners tend to go right because they want lower taxation.
[00:55:09]  This is why people in the healthcare industry tend to go left and universities because, again, they're in these industries.
[00:55:14]  You agree, but that's not what we're talking about.
[00:55:16]  We're talking about those man on the street videos from Times Square where they ask someone to name a country that starts with the letter U and they go Utah.
[00:55:23]  And what I look, I'm not here to defend the American citizens foreign policy knowledge.
[00:55:29]  But hold on.
[00:55:30]  Should those people be voting?
[00:55:31]  Is it good for a system when an individual who doesn't know their own capital when they vote?
[00:55:37]  And let me stress this.
[00:55:39]  I worked for a nonprofit and we did, I told the story a couple weeks ago.
[00:55:45]  They asked me if I wanted to go register people to vote at a Death Cap for Cutie concert, of which I am a huge fan of that band and said, holy crap, are you kidding?
[00:55:52]  And then I didn't even realize they gave me an all-access pass and all I had to do was get people to register to vote.
[00:55:57]  The people who were at that concert did not know the first thing about what they needed or wanted.
[00:56:02]  They were completely clueless 18-year-olds.
[00:56:05]  When voting time comes, people go to them and say, vote Democrat.
[00:56:09]  And they go, okay, I guess.
[00:56:10]  And they don't know why they're voting.
[00:56:12]  I don't know if that's true that they say that.
[00:56:13]  I will tell you as an activist who personally went to these people and asked them to do it.
[00:56:18]  They could not tell me left from right in politics.
[00:56:21]  I believe that.
[00:56:22]  And they're voting.
[00:56:23]  The thing that I'm saying.
[00:56:24]  So this is one of the issues, right?
[00:56:26]  Do we limit democracy?
[00:56:28]  I'm open.
[00:56:29]  I'm actually open to it.
[00:56:31]  The issue is how do you do it in such a way that every partisan side and every person feels not unfairly done by, right?
[00:56:42]  And again, suffrage isn't about who's most informed.
[00:56:46]  Suffrage is about who has stakes, right?
[00:56:48]  Who has stakes in the country, which every citizen does.
[00:56:50]  Now, my actual like perfect limited democracy is there's a magical button that you touch and God knows your heart and knows if you love your country.
[00:56:58]  And if it goes green, you get the vote, right?
[00:57:00]  So you're a patriot, right?
[00:57:02]  That would mean Republicans win every election from here on.
[00:57:04]  I actually think lots of liberals, I mean, who is holding signs?
[00:57:07]  Who's holding science?
[00:57:08]  We love America.
[00:57:08]  We're not talking about liberals.
[00:57:09]  We're talking about progressives.
[00:57:11]  Well, liberals are Democrats, right?
[00:57:13]  I'm liberal.
[00:57:13]  Progressives vote Democrat.
[00:57:15]  They tried running these races.
[00:57:16]  And I think if you pressed a button and when you press this button, God would just be like, if you don't love your country, your vote doesn't count.
[00:57:24]  Republicans would dominate everything.
[00:57:26]  Possibly.
[00:57:27]  I don't actually know if that's necessarily.
[00:57:29]  Do you think the Democrats, which side has more nationalist fervor?
[00:57:33]  I mean, do you really think the Democrats would?
[00:57:36]  Potentially, yeah.
[00:57:37]  I think so.
[00:57:37]  Oh, come on.
[00:57:38]  Yeah.
[00:57:38]  Well, I mean, what would Democrats do?
[00:57:39]  They would immediately start rising left fervor for patriotism, right?
[00:57:43]  These are people who, like, I'm not talking about Democrat liberals.
[00:57:47]  I'm not talking about like you're running the mill regular liberal in the city.
[00:57:50]  They'll wave an American flag.
[00:57:51]  But when you go to like Portland, for instance, the protesters during one of these like BLM marches or whatever went to a guy's, a random house.
[00:57:59]  As they're marching through a neighborhood, he has an American flag, and they knocked on his door and told him to take the flag down or else.
[00:58:04]  Those people, they vote, and their vote won't count if you press that button.
[00:58:07]  Well, on the right.
[00:58:08]  Again, God might say they love Portland.
[00:58:10]  They love the people around them.
[00:58:12]  Right.
[00:58:12]  And again, part of the reason why this is funny, well, I think they certainly don't love their country.
[00:58:17]  Loving your neighbors within America and having major criticisms.
[00:58:20]  Like part of being American is having issues, right?
[00:58:22]  Like lots of libertarians, I say, would be patriots, even though they're also very, very critical of the American government, right?
[00:58:29]  And so like, would some people not count on my magical god test?
[00:58:32]  Yes, but it's a magical god test.
[00:58:33]  That's why it's kind of a joke is that we can't know these things necessarily.
[00:58:37]  But I think a good stakeholdership is: I care about the outcomes of my country.
[00:58:41]  And I think the reality is that a lot of progressives do care about the outcomes of their countries.
[00:58:45]  They genuinely do.
[00:58:46]  Let's try this.
[00:58:48]  In a system, let's say there's 100 people and it's a standard IQ bell curve.
[00:58:54]  And let's say the top 40% don't vote.
[00:58:57]  So the bottom 60% do.
[00:58:59]  Well, they definitely would.
[00:59:00]  No, that's what I'm saying.
[00:59:03]  So let's say you have 100 people and the top 40% of the most intelligent decide we're not going to vote.
[00:59:09]  The bottom 60 does vote.
[00:59:11]  Will that system survive?
[00:59:14]  I think it will.
[00:59:15]  I think it will.
[00:59:15]  Based on like my.
[00:59:16]  So I could be wrong.
[00:59:17]  This is one where I'm like, I'm 65% on this.
[00:59:19]  I could be moved either way.
[00:59:20]  I think it will.
[00:59:21]  You think that the low end of the bell curve on intelligence can sustain a national economy and system?
[00:59:29]  Well, not a national economy and system.
[00:59:32]  We'll vote.
[00:59:32]  We'll be able to have a lot of people.
[00:59:33]  No, no, no, I'm saying, will the system survive if only the stupidest people are the ones who are running it?
[00:59:38]  Wait, okay.
[00:59:39]  No, these are two different questions.
[00:59:40]  Are we saying the people that are also running in office, like basically intellectual, high IQ people in general in the country?
[00:59:47]  There's just 100 people.
[00:59:48]  Yep.
[00:59:50]  And they're voting on issues of how they run their little micro-nation.
[00:59:54]  The top 40% of intelligence say, I'm not interested.
[00:59:57]  Well, my question is, who are the politicians?
[00:59:59]  Are they also part of the low IQ?
[01:00:01]  It's that bracket of the 60% from the police.
[01:00:04]  So like the politicians themselves are stupid.
[01:00:06]  They're in that same bracket.
[01:00:07]  The top 40% have removed them.
[01:00:08]  So if now we're getting to like who actually is in office, that's a different conversation.
[01:00:13]  But I'm talking about voters, right?
[01:00:14]  I don't think voters have to be high IQ.
[01:00:15]  I obviously want politicians to be informed.
[01:00:17]  But again, my question is: you have 100 people and the top 40%, let's just say, remove themselves from the process entirely.
[01:00:24]  And only the bottom, we say bottom 60%, but from the bottom to the top to slightly above average, they're the only ones engaging in politics.
[01:00:31]  Will that system survive?
[01:00:32]  Only ones engaging in politics?
[01:00:34]  No, because that's assuming that politicians.
[01:00:36]  But that's not what I'm talking about when I'm talking about that.
[01:00:38]  I know.
[01:00:38]  I'm just presenting this hypothetical.
[01:00:39]  The system would not survive.
[01:00:40]  No.
[01:00:41]  My point largely is that if you argue that you only need to be 18 years old and a citizen in order to vote, you are going to have the ease of opportunity to get more ignorant voters versus smart voters.
[01:00:56]  So if you take a look at the well, no, because lower IQ people are also going to come up against different resistances that make them less likely to actually turn on a vote.
[01:01:05]  Like I suspect you're going to have to urban locations where you have high density of people and you need two activists to go to each apartment building to get 500 votes each.
[01:01:13]  And all you have to do to convince them to vote is say Trump's a Nazi and they go, okay, and then they vote Democrat.
[01:01:18]  So arguably then the Republicans are doing the same thing.
[01:01:21]  They're just going to other areas and being able to get a lot of people in the United States.
[01:01:23]  Indeed, but Republicans don't have population density.
[01:01:25]  Republicans don't have population density.
[01:01:27]  And Republicans are disagreeable.
[01:01:30]  I'm sure you've seen that graph that shows the Democrats are a singular cluster that largely agree and the Republicans are a disparate bunch.
[01:01:37]  I think a great example of this is the current trends that Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace, et cetera, that were big Trump supporters and now are not.
[01:01:45]  The right is absolutely fractured.
[01:01:46]  Joe Kent's resignation.
[01:01:48]  MAGA may be still MAGA.
[01:01:50]  People may still support Trump, but the libertarian, disrupted liberal coalition that wrapped around, that boosted them, are not on board.
[01:01:58]  So that's going to make it increasingly difficult to convince someone on the right.
[01:02:02]  You know what really, really sucks is that I watch some of these liberal YouTubers, and it's just really, I'm going to throw David Pachman out here as a great example of this.
[01:02:12]  So several years ago, this was Trump's first term.
[01:02:16]  I made a video for my 4 p.m. segment saying Donald Trump sees record high approval rating.
[01:02:22]  And David Pacman on the same day made a video saying Donald Trump sees record low approval rating or record high disapproval.
[01:02:29]  And I thought to myself, this is crazy.
[01:02:32]  How could both of these videos exist at the same time?
[01:02:34]  Am I wrong?
[01:02:35]  Well, I look back at my video and I checked all my sources and I was like, you've got 538, you've got RCP, you've got all of the aggregates showing that Trump's approval rating is at a record high, especially compared to other presidents.
[01:02:49]  How did David Pacman make a video that's the inverse?
[01:02:52]  He cherry-picked a single poll and made a video about it saying the exact opposite.
[01:02:56]  And it wasn't coordinated.
[01:02:57]  He just made a video.
[01:02:58]  And I said, is David, I thought to myself, because I've known him for a long time, I'm like, is he doing this on purpose?
[01:03:05]  Like, any honest person that's assessing Donald Trump's approval is going to check the aggregate, not a single poll, because a single poll can have errors.

=== David Pacman's Inverse Poll Video (15:02) ===

[01:03:14]  It can be static.
[01:03:15]  And, well, this is his MO.
[01:03:17]  Him and Brian Tyler Cohen.
[01:03:19]  This is what they do all day, every day.
[01:03:21]  Lord help me.
[01:03:22]  I wish the right was that fucking stupid.
[01:03:25]  I'd have a million views.
[01:03:26]  See, this is, and this is, so the left will look at the right, and they'll look at Tulsi Gabbard defending Iran, and then they'll pull up her shirts, right, and be like, interesting, right?
[01:03:35]  You'll look at, you've got RFK Jr., who's still doing making, so this is why the smarts line is also dissatisfactory to me, because nobody's going to agree on it, right?
[01:03:46]  Everyone's going to feel unfairly like punished by this system, which is why I go, probably universal suffrage is over 18 incidents is the best measure we have.
[01:03:55]  We on this show, with a disaffected to right-leaning audience, specifically addressed Tulsi Gabbard's tweet, how she did not make an assessment and just defer to Trump, and that she sold shirts saying no war with Iran, and that I support her in 2020, specifically for anti-interventionist regime change policies, because the people on the right expect the context and the nuance, and it's very difficult to keep them in the same room together.
[01:04:19]  When I pull up, the only person I ever give credit to on this, despite not really liking the guy, is Hassan Piker, that he actually discusses a variety of topics and his thoughts and opinions on them, even when I think he's wrong or contradictory.
[01:04:31]  And then I pull up the most prominent of liberal pundits, and I'm like, they just make fake videos.
[01:04:36]  Like David Pacman made a video saying Donald Trump poops his pants, which is just like, yeah, that literally didn't happen.
[01:04:41]  And like, if I could get away with that on the right, man, I'd be making 10 times as much as possible.
[01:04:46]  His biggest content creator is Candace Owens.
[01:04:49]  She is a liberal.
[01:04:50]  She watched by Candace Owens.
[01:04:52]  She is on the right.
[01:04:53]  There's no question.
[01:04:53]  She is completely on the right.
[01:04:56]  I don't know what to tell you.
[01:04:57]  She's for traditional values.
[01:04:58]  She wants conservative fiscal policy.
[01:05:01]  She was pro-Trump, right?
[01:05:02]  Like, she is on the right.
[01:05:05]  She is on the right.
[01:05:05]  She's not part of the left.
[01:05:07]  And what do you have?
[01:05:07]  We have one receipt where she strings together a whole narrative here.
[01:05:11]  You can fairly say she's neither.
[01:05:14]  We couldn't say that.
[01:05:15]  She's either right or far right.
[01:05:16]  But she's not going to be able to do that.
[01:05:16]  So she's anti-Trump over Epstein.
[01:05:18]  She's anti-Trump over the Iran war.
[01:05:20]  Yeah, she's jumped off the Trump ship now.
[01:05:22]  A long time ago.
[01:05:23]  Is Nick Fuentes left?
[01:05:24]  Two years ago.
[01:05:25]  Nick Fuentes has been advocating for voting Democrat for like four years.
[01:05:30]  Actually, he advocated for voting for Trump.
[01:05:32]  It only with the Iran stuff he swapped to Democrats.
[01:05:34]  Would you actually try to say that Nick Fuentes is liberal?
[01:05:37]  Nick Fuentes said not to vote not to vote for Trump.
[01:05:39]  And he also said, don't vote for JD Vance.
[01:05:42]  And now he's explicitly saying vote Democrat.
[01:05:44]  Yeah, because he wants to suburb.
[01:05:44]  He's a Democrat or a liberal.
[01:05:45]  Well, he's definitely on the right.
[01:05:47]  He's far right because he's a theocrat.
[01:05:49]  Well, I will just, the first thing we should clarify is what does far right mean?
[01:05:52]  So that we understand what we're saying.
[01:05:53]  When I say far right, I basically mean they are probably going to share a lot of cultural values of a lot of conservatives.
[01:05:59]  They're probably going to be pretty critical of trans stuff, might be critical of gay stuff, although obviously conservatives vary a lot more on the gay stuff, right?
[01:06:06]  So they're going to be right on this culture war stuff, by and large, like more traditional values, right?
[01:06:10]  Nuclear families.
[01:06:11]  And then when you're getting to the far right, they're going to be accelerationist and usually like anti-democratic.
[01:06:15]  Maybe want to take away profits.
[01:06:16]  So it's fair to say then, if that's your view of the right, the right is completely fractured.
[01:06:19]  Yeah.
[01:06:20]  I think the right is schismatic.
[01:06:21]  And the left is largely not.
[01:06:23]  The left is very fractured.
[01:06:24]  Because we have like the communist socialists that want to take away property rights.
[01:06:29]  And there's this huge question of right now on the left of being.
[01:06:33]  So among the prominent left YouTubers, Twitch streamers or otherwise.
[01:06:38]  So we know Nick Fuentes.
[01:06:39]  He gets 50K concurrent viewers.
[01:06:41]  He's a great show.
[01:06:42]  I'm talking about right win.
[01:06:43]  Yeah.
[01:06:44]  Sorry.
[01:06:44]  So Nick Fuentes, he is an element of the right, as you describe.
[01:06:47]  And I'm not saying I disagree.
[01:06:48]  We've got Hassan, who won't vote for Democrats, tells people not to vote for Democrats and says that like our own Nick Fuentez on the left.
[01:06:56]  In a certain way.
[01:06:57]  In a certain way, yeah.
[01:06:58]  So when I look at the most prominent left channels, they usually agree.
[01:07:04]  I'm going to look at the right channels.
[01:07:05]  They're all fighting each other.
[01:07:06]  The liberals agree.
[01:07:07]  The liberals agree.
[01:07:08]  But we have the issue is like our schism happened a lot earlier, right?
[01:07:12]  And it's somewhat that what disaffected you guys, right?
[01:07:16]  Is that a lot of liberals couldn't figure out what a woman was.
[01:07:20]  Well, no, we shook hands with the progressives and we said, we're just like you.
[01:07:24]  And the progressives are like, yeah, except some of the progressives just, it's an aesthetic.
[01:07:28]  But a lot of them were communists who were like, yeah, we want to take away private property rights.
[01:07:32]  And at no point did the liberals go, hold on, we're actually not like you because that's a rights that we're not willing to get rid of, actually.
[01:07:40]  And we don't even want to do it democratically, right?
[01:07:42]  But we pretended that we were the same, which led to this culture war like takeover where we were like canceling and ourobosing ourselves and it was awful.
[01:07:50]  I don't think that it's a good thing.
[01:07:51]  And I think we're seeing the same unfortunate dance happening on the right right now.
[01:07:57]  I think, are you saying that like Republicans shook hands with people who are for things that people don't agree with?
[01:08:04]  Yeah, like Theocrats.
[01:08:05]  I mean, I mean, Theocrats are not good.
[01:08:07]  Tucker Carlson claims he's facing a criminal referral.
[01:08:09]  The White House has denied it.
[01:08:10]  Trump says Tucker's lost his way.
[01:08:11]  I mean, they're outright saying no to these people.
[01:08:14]  Yeah, which is great.
[01:08:16]  And yet we have Joe Kent that's defecting to their side, right?
[01:08:19]  And so there's this huge question of who went.
[01:08:21]  So I'm not saying that the right has to look identical to the left and how the schism falls out, right?
[01:08:25]  In a lot of ways, what we had with the left sweep is a lot of progressive candidates in a blue state aren't being successful, right?
[01:08:31]  And so it seems like there is a resurgence amongst the left for a more moderate, more traditionally liberal.
[01:08:36]  But the reality is like we were a lot more, especially performatively sold out to the further left.
[01:08:41]  I think the, you know, we were asked the other day if, you know, one of our, one of our callers, if the Democrats can start winning back the disaffected liberals because of the route some of these people on the right are taking with like the Israel post stuff.
[01:08:55]  And, you know, my first point is largely that I'm Israel ambivalent.
[01:08:59]  What irks me is when every problem in the world is specifically about Israel and they ignore the history of the region, the liberal economic order, the petrodollar, et cetera.
[01:09:07]  But if it came down to policy and they said you can vote for funding Israel or not funding Israel, I'd say we should not be funding Israel.
[01:09:12]  Our money should be going to our people here in this country, helping the working class.
[01:09:17]  I'm for some form of universal basic health care.
[01:09:20]  We should be spending money in that direction.
[01:09:21]  If you come to me and then say your choices are the war machine or politicians who five years ago advocated for cutting off children's testicles and breasts, I'd say, I will never vote for that person no matter what happens.
[01:09:33]  It's never going to happen.
[01:09:35]  And that's just me hyperlinking.
[01:09:36]  But then I would look at you as the voter and be like, oh my goodness, that's your single topic.
[01:09:41]  No, that's what I said.
[01:09:41]  That's just one hyper example.
[01:09:43]  Like when you take a look at all of the stuff that we had seen throughout the censorship era and the COVID era, I'm going to be like, we've got a litany of issues.
[01:09:53]  We can start with the charges against Donald Trump, which were ridiculous, the arrest of his lawyers, which is shockingly terrifying.
[01:10:01]  I'll never support any of these people.
[01:10:02]  By all means, you can claim Trump did something wrong, but they arrested his lawyers in Georgia and Wisconsin.
[01:10:07]  I mean, that's nightmarishly terrifying.
[01:10:09]  Lawyers did something illegal.
[01:10:11]  No, they didn't.
[01:10:12]  You can't charge a lawyer with RICO for drafting a letter on behalf of their client.
[01:10:15]  And that's what they did in Georgia.
[01:10:17]  And in fact, if Jenna Ellis did not plead guilty, the charges would have been dropped because they eventually dropped all charges because they're unfounded.
[01:10:26]  That's nightmarishly insane.
[01:10:28]  So you've got Democrats in office now who supported that.
[01:10:31]  And if they came out and said, we are not for transing the kids, we are not for appropriating property, we want to help the working class, we want to secure our borders, we're not for illegal immigrants, I'll be like, bro, four years ago, you were for all of those things.
[01:10:45]  So get rid of all of those people and bring in a new Democrat who's got a little bit of charisma behind him.
[01:10:50]  We're talking about Jenna Ellis who tried to overturn the presidential elections, right?
[01:10:53]  Tell me what she actually was charged with and why.
[01:10:55]  I'm not sure what she was charged with.
[01:10:56]  Right, she drafted a letter for Trump to the election officials in Georgia requesting information to challenge the election.
[01:11:05]  They argued that was in furtherance of a conspiracy.
[01:11:08]  So she had two counts of RICO.
[01:11:09]  She was literally hired as a lawyer to draft a legal letter.
[01:11:13]  Now, by all means.
[01:11:14]  Well, was it illegal?
[01:11:15]  Because, like, for example, in the case of, I don't want to get into all because I don't know all of the details of 2020, unfortunately, right?
[01:11:21]  But there are absolutely illegal things that happened from multiple lawyers, right?
[01:11:26]  And they were intentionally some lawyers.
[01:11:29]  So my understanding is some lawyers were under the presumption that genuinely they needed to call into question the elector slates.
[01:11:35]  Is that allowed to?
[01:11:37]  That might be allowed, right?
[01:11:39]  And others were under the presumption that they knew that they were submitting.
[01:11:42]  Here's what you're not allowed to do.
[01:11:43]  This is why I'm never voting Democrats.
[01:11:44]  Here's what you're not allowed to do.
[01:11:45]  You can't submit false elector slates.
[01:11:47]  You can't do that.
[01:11:48]  Jenna Ellis submitted a letter requesting information to challenge an election.
[01:11:51]  She wrote, I think, like one letter, and they gave her two counts of RICO.
[01:11:55]  They dropped all of the charges in Georgia.
[01:11:57]  All of the people who refused to plead out had their charges dropped.
[01:12:01]  This was insane.
[01:12:02]  You take a look at the charges against Trump in New York over fraud.
[01:12:05]  They said that he falsified the records to secure more beneficial terms from Deutsche Bank.
[01:12:11]  What were the terms?
[01:12:12]  Apparently, in one of the filings, they argued that Trump's penthouse, which was 10,000 square feet roughly, was actually 30,000 square feet.
[01:12:19]  However, it was testified in court that the Trump administration, first and foremost, Trump didn't draft the documents.
[01:12:24]  Why would he?
[01:12:24]  He's the CEO.
[01:12:25]  And the documents always came with a disclaimer that they may have gotten things wrong and required the banks to do their own due diligence to verify, to which Deutsche Bank did, came back and said your information is incorrect and reduced the terms of the deal to which the Trump organization accepted.
[01:12:41]  They called that fraud, even when Deutsche Bank testified, we were not defrauded.
[01:12:46]  We clarified this.
[01:12:47]  We made money and we would love to do business with Trump in the future.
[01:12:50]  Yet you go to Democrats and they say Trump was convicted and found guilty, he was liable for civil fraud.
[01:12:55]  And I'm sitting here being like, man, I followed that case.
[01:12:57]  It's insane.
[01:12:58]  You take a look at the falsification of business records, which for the first time in New York state history, there was a claim of falsification of business records without an underlying crime found unanimously by a jury.
[01:13:10]  So Ellis drafted not just a memo, but a memo very explicitly and specifically outlining how she planned to overturn election results, right?
[01:13:18]  Not just question the results, but to overturn them directly with knowledge of falsified elections.
[01:13:25]  No, that's an argument that was never proven in court, and the charges are all dropped for everyone else.
[01:13:29]  Now, she pleaded guilty to that because she was terrified that the machine had come to put the boot on her neck.
[01:13:34]  So tell me why the charges were dropped for everybody else.
[01:13:36]  And I'm sure the Democrats did just say because Trump put pressure and won the election.
[01:13:40]  Look, all I'll say is this.
[01:13:41]  Donald Trump was accused of falsifying business records.
[01:13:45]  He got to get out of the 30 New York.
[01:13:49]  34?
[01:13:51]  This was a misdemeanor charge that was upgraded.
[01:13:54]  And the case is Trump's lawyer, Cohen, decided to pay Stormy Daniels, but Trump never told him what to do, but he knew what Trump wanted.
[01:14:03]  And there was no unanimously agreed upon by the jury underlying crime that was being covered up for the first time in New York State history.
[01:14:09]  So they decided to upgrade a misdemeanor to a felony 30-some-odd.
[01:14:13]  I thought it was 31, but 30-some-odd times.
[01:14:16]  And then claim that Trump is a felon.
[01:14:17]  And that case, for some reason, is still pending.
[01:14:22]  It's been like a year and a half.
[01:14:24]  And that case is still pending.
[01:14:25]  But I'll just put it like this.
[01:14:26]  Make any argument you want.
[01:14:28]  If we are dealing with Georgia, where Ellis was relevant, a lot of the people who did not get charged were not charged because they were given immunity deals to give details on the city.
[01:14:41]  Just had their charges dropped.
[01:14:42]  Some of them, but a lot of them didn't actually have it dropped.
[01:14:45]  A lot of them actually went to jail.
[01:14:46]  The ones who were a little bit.
[01:14:48]  I can ask specific names.
[01:14:50]  I'm looking at the information right now.
[01:14:51]  Who went to jail or was fined?
[01:14:55]  But we're going to get AI on the show one day that you can just ask and it'll tell you.
[01:14:59]  It's going to be awesome.
[01:15:00]  It'll be like while I'm letting it search.
[01:15:03]  I'm just going to run to the law.
[01:15:04]  I'll just say it like this.
[01:15:06]  For this reason, I will never vote for a Democrat.
[01:15:08]  What's never going to happen?
[01:15:09]  Fix the parties.
[01:15:10]  Like less communism, less theocracy, more balanced, nuanced.
[01:15:14]  Because what's happening is the machine state is wrapping its tentacles around our genitals as we speak.
[01:15:19]  We need to resist it and untwist this shit.
[01:15:22]  Like big time.
[01:15:23]  We talk about like, don't dig in.
[01:15:26]  Give into the machine state.
[01:15:27]  I don't think I can.
[01:15:31]  I'll let them do what they need to do to me.
[01:15:34]  But we talk about like stakeholder capitalism, stakeholder.
[01:15:39]  You know, we were like, what's your stake in the system when you vote?
[01:15:41]  It used to be land ownership.
[01:15:42]  That's how people had stake in the system.
[01:15:44]  The corporations want to go from like shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism because they're trying to create corporate governance.
[01:15:51]  Kyle, I want to tell Kyle this when she's here.
[01:15:53]  She might already know this stuff.
[01:15:55]  Now that she's gone, she's wrong.
[01:15:56]  I'm right about everything, and she can't rebut you.
[01:15:58]  Like, what makes you a stakeholder in the corporation?
[01:16:00]  And that's kind of miasmic.
[01:16:03]  You know, it's up to the corporation to decide if you actually have a stake in this or not.
[01:16:06]  And then do you have a right to protest our system or not?
[01:16:11]  Boy, without being meant for the money.
[01:16:13]  You know, I wonder about everything.
[01:16:14]  It's hard to track all these patterns, see what's really going on.
[01:16:17]  There's a million and one different conspiracies as to what the political machine is actually doing.
[01:16:23]  The one that there's several, one of which is that Trump's been in it the whole time and the machine state just keeps shifting the narratives that nobody can get a footing.
[01:16:30]  And that we had woke versus anti-woke intentionally crafted by the machine so that the left and right would fight.
[01:16:36]  And then now we're getting the like the right is being broken apart through the, you know, like the Tuckers and like the Joe Kent versus the neoconservative.
[01:16:46]  And then we're going to see an evolution on the Democrat side where they start to try and come back to the moderate point.
[01:16:51]  And in this new decade of 2030, I would not be surprised if we're sitting here being like, I can't believe the Republicans are saying these things.
[01:16:58]  They've gone nuts.
[01:16:59]  And the Democrats are the only ones speaking clearly now.
[01:17:01]  I wouldn't be surprised.
[01:17:02]  I predicted that before because it happened during Occupy Wall Street and I am predicting it again.
[01:17:07]  During Occupy Wall Street, I was, the left loved me.
[01:17:12]  They were like, Tim Poole's the greatest.
[01:17:13]  He's for free speech.
[01:17:15]  Occupy Wall Street gave me private security.
[01:17:18]  I'm telling you this, they were volunteer security guards at Occupy Wall Street.
[01:17:22]  And when the far leftist black block types, we call them, we didn't call them antifa, physically attacked me, the organizer said, Tim, we're going to have these guys watch your back while you're streaming because the coverage you do is so important.
[01:17:35]  Even when I had filmed far leftist vandalizing police vehicles, the organizers of Occupy said you were right to do it.
[01:17:42]  This is not what we're all about.
[01:17:43]  Thank you for filming.
[01:17:45]  Now these very same people are like, Tim Pool's far right.
[01:17:49]  You know, he's crazy or whatever.
[01:17:50]  Now we're going to see a shift on the right.
[01:17:53]  And what I was saying before you got back is that the Democratic Party is going to shift in the next several years and start to look sane.
[01:17:59]  And the Republican Party is going to increasingly become insane.
[01:18:03]  And moderates are going to shift the other direction again.
[01:18:05]  And my thought was, I wonder if the machine does this intentionally.
[01:18:09]  Many have speculated.
[01:18:10]  Constantly shifting what left and right is to keep everybody spending so they can never actually form a real populist uprising.

=== Republican Elector Slate Precedent (15:19) ===

[01:18:16]  Yeah.
[01:18:17]  What I said while you were out is about a shared stakeholder.
[01:18:21]  Like you were saying, what kind of stake in the system to vote to control the system?
[01:18:24]  And it used to be land ownership in the United States.
[01:18:26]  Now it's just, you know, you sign the paper, give a social security number.
[01:18:29]  But the corporations want to do stakeholder capitalism where they're going away from shareholder capitalism, who owns the corporation to decide the future of the corporation.
[01:18:36]  But do you have a stake in the benefit of the system that the corporation is a part of?
[01:18:41]  So they're really like, and then they get to decide what that means at any given moment if you have a right to participate.
[01:18:49]  That's like, I don't have a point to tie it to, but when you guys were talking about voting, I think that is very much the future of what the corporations are trying to do right now.
[01:19:00]  I don't think it's a left and a right thing.
[01:19:02]  Probably never has been.
[01:19:03]  There are obviously sects of people that spin up, but this global technocratic oligarchy really wants to control our speech and shut us down.
[01:19:14]  Ah, damn.
[01:19:15]  That's all I got right now.
[01:19:16]  All right.
[01:19:16]  Kenneth Chasebrow pled guilty, five years probation.
[01:19:19]  So basically, nobody went to jail for this, which to be fair.
[01:19:22]  And if they went, it would have bankrupt.
[01:19:23]  I would have been happy for people to do more time.
[01:19:25]  One of the issues is probably a lot of these charges that ended up sticking aren't like necessarily jailable fines.
[01:19:29]  A lot of people got community service.
[01:19:31]  A lot of people lost their licenses.
[01:19:33]  A lot of people were fired, right?
[01:19:34]  There was a lot of misdemeanors.
[01:19:36]  There was also a lot of immunity deals that happened, right?
[01:19:39]  Ellis entered in cooperation agreements and had all the charges dropped.
[01:19:43]  Yep.
[01:19:43]  But like entering into cooperation doesn't mean she didn't do anything wrong.
[01:19:48]  So when people plead guilty, that proves they did something wrong?
[01:19:50]  That's not what I'm saying.
[01:19:51]  Have any of these cases been proven or are they just plead outs?
[01:19:55]  You don't take a, hold on.
[01:19:56]  You don't take a plead out if you don't think that the court has a sufficient case against you.
[01:19:59]  You take a plead out because it's a better deal than what you're otherwise facing.
[01:20:03]  That's why you typically.
[01:20:04]  I know you don't actually believe that.
[01:20:05]  Come on, come on.
[01:20:06]  We can't really do this, can we?
[01:20:07]  Absolutely.
[01:20:07]  You know about the trial tax, right?
[01:20:09]  Sorry?
[01:20:09]  You know about the trial tax, right?
[01:20:12]  Unfortunately, I wish I had a tax.
[01:20:13]  The 2020 majority of people plead guilty regardless of whether they're innocent or guilty because of what's called the trial tax.
[01:20:21]  The trial tax is a known.
[01:20:22]  It's a trial tax.
[01:20:23]  Yes, it's a known facet in U.S. law that the judges will intentionally give you harsher penalties if you try and fight.
[01:20:31]  So if they come to you and say you're getting 40 years, but you can take a year of probation, everybody just says, give me the year of probation.
[01:20:37]  Yes.
[01:20:38]  This is the majority of court cases in the United States.
[01:20:42]  So one of the problems our justice system has is the overwhelming amount of innocent people being punished by the system.
[01:20:49]  Sure.
[01:20:50]  Tremendously.
[01:20:51]  We didn't look at Ellis' work and go, that's an innocent woman, though.
[01:20:54]  I mean, you're talking about at bare minimum, like a process crime.
[01:20:58]  No, somebody who knowingly was submitting false.
[01:21:00]  No, hold on, hold on, directing, not just doing it, directing other people explicitly and knowingly to submit false electors.
[01:21:09]  So you know she knowingly did?
[01:21:10]  Yes.
[01:21:10]  In the case of Alice.
[01:21:11]  Do you know that she knowingly did?
[01:21:12]  It was proven in court.
[01:21:14]  In court, she writes this out in her memos.
[01:21:16]  So you're saying because she- Chester Rowe was like a little bit more like, who knows why I'm doing this?
[01:21:21]  We think legitimately these electors might need to be submitted.
[01:21:26]  She did know.
[01:21:27]  Yes.
[01:21:28]  You're saying that it was proven in court.
[01:21:29]  She definitively knew that what she was doing.
[01:21:31]  And defined proven in court.
[01:21:33]  I would say that.
[01:21:34]  Yeah, I mean, saying guilty to me isn't proof of anything because we know tons of innocent people plead guilty to.
[01:21:39]  I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt in the case of Alice.
[01:21:41]  You might not be.
[01:21:42]  Yeah, absolutely not.
[01:21:43]  Her emails specifically are sufficient evidence of saying she knows what's going on.
[01:21:48]  She knows that there was a precedent set in the Nixon v. Kennedy election where they submitted alternate electors despite the fact that Nixon could have won Hawaii.
[01:22:00]  The argument was that it didn't matter anyway, so they weren't going to count these electors.
[01:22:04]  They submitted electors for Kennedy, which were not certified by the government.
[01:22:08]  And that was the precedent by which Trump's legal team said, we can submit the alternate slate.
[01:22:14]  Then once the court cases are, once they are officially adjudicated, they will update, just like with Kennedy v. Nixon.
[01:22:20]  So the argument that I have is, regardless of what you think about Jenna Ellis, let's go to the procedure of 2020.
[01:22:26]  The only process by which you could challenge an election that you did believe was stolen is to file the paperwork of an alternate slate of electors and then wait for the court case to be resolved by a judge.
[01:22:37]  Otherwise, according to our electoral system, the deadline is like December 17th.
[01:22:42]  There would be no paperwork filed at all.
[01:22:44]  And even if you won in court, you'd be past the deadline.
[01:22:46]  Why not?
[01:22:46]  Like, you could just do it.
[01:22:47]  This is the precedent set in, I think it was 1959.
[01:22:50]  Sure, but we've done recounts multiple times, right?
[01:22:52]  There was like the famous Al Gore case in like Florida where the vote was decided by like 500 votes and yet all precedent to just like ask that we like redo the slates and then verify and audit all of the votes, right?
[01:23:02]  And like there is a process by which if you legitimately think something has been falsified or tampered with, like there is a process for that.
[01:23:09]  And I'm for that process, right?
[01:23:10]  I have no problem with auditing votes necessarily, right?
[01:23:14]  And the issue is in the case of Ellis and Chessebrough, they explicitly were not doing these things.
[01:23:18]  What did they do?
[01:23:19]  What should they have done?
[01:23:21]  Gone through the proper processes, which is.
[01:23:23]  Which is what?
[01:23:24]  I don't know it off the top of my head, but this is exactly what I'm saying.
[01:23:26]  I would imagine why Pence was opposed to this and basically said, I'm not touching any of this shit.
[01:23:30]  I would imagine it's the Republican elector slates fill out the paperwork as if they did win.
[01:23:34]  They are submitted as this is pending adjudication.
[01:23:37]  That's, I'd imagine, what you'd do, right?
[01:23:39]  Yeah.
[01:23:39]  How do you challenge election results?
[01:23:42]  Presidential election, which is specifically Electoral College.
[01:23:45]  Right.
[01:23:46]  My view would be, just like in, I think it was 1960 with Kennedy v. Nixon, when Hawaii challenged the election results, even though it was Nixon who won, they sent an alternate slate of electors after the fact without certification.
[01:24:00]  And even though it wasn't even adjudicated, they said, look, it doesn't matter anyway, so we're going to let it slide.
[01:24:07]  So if you did have a disputed election and the difficult with our legal system is how long it takes, I'd imagine the process would be file the paperwork as though you won while it's pending adjudication.
[01:24:18]  And then if a judge approves, it's yes.
[01:24:21]  If not, it's no.
[01:24:22]  No.
[01:24:22]  So you ask for a recount, you file an election contest in state court in whichever state you're concerned about, litigate before certification and during canvassing.
[01:24:30]  So you get a court recount.
[01:24:32]  And after the state results, the result, after the state resolves the result, the state sends its lawful electors to the Electoral College.
[01:24:37]  Which is not ever what's happened.
[01:24:39]  And again, the precedent from Nixon v. Kennedy is that because adjudication was taking too long, they submitted an alternate slate of electors before there was official adjudication, and that was deemed acceptable.
[01:24:49]  And that was the precedent by which the Trump legal team said, we'll do the same thing.
[01:24:54]  And then my understanding is one of the main lawyers involved, I believe it was Chesaprow.
[01:25:02]  I could be wrong about which one did this.
[01:25:04]  He genuinely believed that there was faulty votes, there was faulty issues, and he looked it up and he was trying to legitimately have the election audit.
[01:25:13]  There was like a genuine belief that it was stolen.
[01:25:15]  And one of the lawyers in the emails explicitly knows that this is false and is trying to follow through with Trump's.
[01:25:23]  Sorry?
[01:25:24]  There was a report a few months ago that they found something like 300,000 ballots that were illegitimate in Georgia or something like this.
[01:25:32]  I've looked into that.
[01:25:33]  I remember being very questionable about that.
[01:25:35]  To be completely honest, I'm not super concerned with what happened in 2020.
[01:25:40]  You said it's big enough that you won't vote for Democrats.
[01:25:42]  I won't vote for Democrats for a variety of reasons.
[01:25:44]  One, that they have consistently defended child sex changes.
[01:25:49]  And like even Gavin Newsome is wishy-washy on this and struggles with it.
[01:25:52]  And it's like, if you can't just say no to that, like if Bill, like I like Bill Maher, right?
[01:25:57]  He's got Trump derangement syndrome, but that's okay.
[01:25:58]  You're always allowed to criticize the president, not like the guy.
[01:26:01]  And Bill Maher made a really great point.
[01:26:02]  I love it.
[01:26:03]  He said the Democrats lost a crazy contest to a crazy person.
[01:26:06]  And that really hits the nail on the head of the hammer for me.
[01:26:10]  Trump, for all of his faults that he can be criticized for, is the less crazy of the people running, which is just Trump.
[01:26:17]  Yes.
[01:26:20]  I'm going to say it again.
[01:26:21]  Bill Maher, lifelong liberal guy, he, in my view, represents what Democrats need to be, saying the Democrats lost a crazy contest to a crazy person.
[01:26:32]  He does not like Trump.
[01:26:33]  He views Trump as crazy.
[01:26:34]  And I will say it again.
[01:26:35]  For all of Trump's false, he is the less, he is the least crazy of the people who ran for president.
[01:26:40]  To be fair, I'd vote for Dave Smith over either of them, but he didn't run.
[01:26:43]  I'm not going to vote for Chase and the Gay Good Day Party.
[01:26:46]  The Democrats lost the crazy contest to the crazy person.
[01:26:49]  That was the point, which is the point he was making.
[01:26:52]  They couldn't be crazy enough.
[01:26:54]  No.
[01:26:55]  Sorry, Caleb.
[01:26:56]  What are you saying?
[01:26:58]  I don't know if that makes sense in the way you're interpreting it because that would not be a point of contention.
[01:27:05]  It would be, I'm glad they lost.
[01:27:07]  Yeah.
[01:27:07]  Like Trump beat them and he should have.
[01:27:09]  The point he was making.
[01:27:10]  I'm going to insert myself into this podcast.
[01:27:12]  It was the podcast I did with Jerry O'Connell where he was saying that the Democrats have continually embraced people who are out of touch and don't know how to speak to regular Americans.
[01:27:20]  So they embrace insane issues.
[01:27:23]  And I mean, as you know, like Bill Maher has been very anti-Islam.
[01:27:28]  And so he's sitting here looking at everything the Democratic Party has been doing.
[01:27:30]  And he's like, these people have gone crazy.
[01:27:33]  But I don't want to harp this.
[01:27:34]  We should segue because we can keep the conversation going with this story.
[01:27:37]  We've got this from Fox News.
[01:27:38]  GOP governors, AG's back, the Trump Save Act push, warn the system gives undue influence to states with illegal aliens.
[01:27:46]  The coalition argues current registration systems give states with large illegal populations undue influence over the federal elections.
[01:27:52]  I am here to tell you all that everything everyone is telling you is fake and a lie.
[01:27:57]  The Save Act requires proof of citizenship at the point of registration and would require an ID when you vote.
[01:28:05]  However, the Republican argument is incorrect.
[01:28:08]  And they're doing this because they're oversimplifying to make people want to support it.
[01:28:12]  Republicans are arguing that there's voter fraud and Democrats want illegal immigrants to vote, which, no, that's not really the issue either.
[01:28:19]  Democrats are saying this will disenfranchise 20 million plus voters.
[01:28:23]  There will be women who will struggle to register to vote, which is also not true because you don't get booted off registration from the Save Act.
[01:28:29]  The real issue is that by allowing anybody to register to vote without documentation, you can do rock the vote, voter registration drives, voter in the park.
[01:28:38]  And this means you can go to people who normally don't care and wouldn't take the time and register them to vote.
[01:28:44]  You combine that with universal mail-in voting and or ballot harvesting, and you have a massive voter base of people who will passively vote.
[01:28:51]  The Republicans can't do this because they're predominantly rural.
[01:28:54]  So if an individual goes to an urban center, like in New York City, you can go to one apartment building with 1,000 people in it.
[01:29:01]  And in one day, two activists can get hundreds of ballots from people who normally don't care.
[01:29:06]  Republicans can't drive door-to-door in rural areas because some of these houses are, you know, what, half a mile from the next one.
[01:29:13]  So overwhelmingly, that benefits Democrats who are trying to convince as many people as possible to vote.
[01:29:17]  But by that logic, doesn't that just assume then that the people in the apartments are already Democrat?
[01:29:21]  They're just facilitating these people to vote?
[01:29:23]  I would refer to them as we call that default liberal, meaning they don't really pay attention to politics, but they lean a little bit left.
[01:29:30]  And You knock on their door and say you're registered and they'll say no, sign this and you are, and they'll go, sure.
[01:29:35]  And so it's very easy for Democrats to get the numbers, which is very difficult for Republicans.
[01:29:39]  But I will just, my final point on this, Republicans don't want to publicly admit they are intentionally trying to create barriers to stop low-interest voters.
[01:29:47]  And the Democrats don't want to admit that they win elections through low-interest voters.
[01:29:51]  So both are creating their own version of why this should or should not pass.
[01:29:56]  The issue is, so say you get like a the issue is this one, this could affect the popular vote, but that this type of logic actually wouldn't necessarily change like the electoral college because the way that the electoral college splits up and all these lines and stuff is to try to balance out the it'll change Congress in the swing states in the swing districts.
[01:30:13]  And it will greatly affect swing states as well.
[01:30:15]  Maybe, but in swing states specifically, we can probably presume that in these apartment buildings, Republicans could reasonably go and collect ballots from all the same people and they'll.
[01:30:22]  But they're going to vote Democrat.
[01:30:24]  Why would we assume that in a swing state city?
[01:30:27]  Major cities are, even in West Virginia, they're all liberal.
[01:30:30]  Yeah, but I imagine if they're passive enough, a Republican can probably have a sufficiently compelling argument to move them off.
[01:30:37]  I would just say that's what I'm saying.
[01:30:39]  We just, again, revert to the previous argument of why it is that Republicans don't invest money in like D plus 20 districts and why Democrats don't do the same.
[01:30:47]  It's largely a cost-benefit analysis.
[01:30:49]  Republicans are going to say, look, if we go and ballot harvest in these areas, it's going to take 10 times the effort to get half as many ballots from Democrats.
[01:30:57]  So we're better off passing the SAVE Act and just slicing off Democrats' low-interest voter base.
[01:31:03]  And Democrats are saying you will disenfranchise voters because women will have to get their marriage certificates and like this convoluted argument.
[01:31:10]  Look, Republicans are going to claim it's about illegal immigrants voting, which is not the issue.
[01:31:15]  The issue largely is that illegal immigrants count towards congressional apportionment, but Democrats can easily ballot harvest.
[01:31:21]  They do.
[01:31:21]  I have done voter initiatives for Democrat nonprofits.
[01:31:24]  Republicans can't.
[01:31:25]  So they're trying to make it difficult for low-interest voters to vote.
[01:31:28]  I don't think that there's sufficient evidence that Republicans can't, though.
[01:31:31]  But they can't.
[01:31:32]  Of course they can.
[01:31:33]  It's very difficult.
[01:31:33]  Well, go to more working-class areas that have a lot of construction and union guys, and you're probably going to be able to.
[01:31:41]  We're talking about how in densely urban areas, it's overwhelmingly liberal.
[01:31:45]  And when you go to the suburbs, you will have to go door to door in the, like, let's use Chicago as an example.
[01:31:50]  The city of Chicago is Democrat everywhere.
[01:31:53]  And only in the past election did we actually see the edges start to turn red.
[01:31:57]  So my neighborhood on the south side near Midway Airport has been slowly shifting Republican for some time, which is very interesting.
[01:32:04]  If you go to my neighborhood in the city, it's still 60, 70% Democrat.
[01:32:09]  Well, actually, no, my neighborhood actually is red.
[01:32:12]  But the bulk of like the Midway area, which includes like two or three neighborhoods, it's actually shifts more blue as you get closer to the city.
[01:32:19]  You are going to be going door to door, house to house.
[01:32:22]  Okay, going to a building on like Michigan Avenue with like 50 apartment units, you will be able to get two or three times as many ballots harvested and voters registered than you would in the suburban areas where you're going door-to-door or driving.
[01:32:33]  That's my point.
[01:32:35]  Dense population areas tend to be liberal, and that makes it harder for Republicans to ballot harvest as effectively as Democrats.
[01:32:41]  Again, I don't even know if I'd grant that because I have a suspicion that a lot of Republican voters that often probably don't come through in voting would be like, for example, like working class construction workers or truck drivers and stuff that often probably have a lot of the same limits to voting that like low-income left.
[01:32:56]  They often do live in the city.
[01:32:58]  Are you actually arguing that cities are like Republicans?
[01:33:00]  No, no, no.
[01:33:01]  I think that cities tend to fall left, but I think that's because like Chicago's been run by Democrats.
[01:33:06]  I think that Democrats tend to fall.
[01:33:08]  I think that cities tend to fall left because I think that Democrats have good policies that are better for cities and better for running them.
[01:33:13]  Like I think that that's why I think if Republicans wanted to be better able to farm cities, they should probably have policies that city people like, right?
[01:33:20]  But they don't.
[01:33:21]  I don't think you really believe that.
[01:33:24]  City doesn't want to have policies that make cities run better than Republicans.
[01:33:30]  What are the biggest GPS?
[01:33:33]  California, number four in GDP in the world.
[01:33:35]  Yeah, I lived there for 20 years.

=== Cities Fall Left Due to Policy (16:02) ===

[01:33:36]  It's a shithole.
[01:33:38]  The food department in San Francisco.
[01:33:39]  But let me ask you a question.
[01:33:40]  Sure, it's also, what are all the red states?
[01:33:42]  They're poor.
[01:33:43]  They're have-nots.
[01:33:44]  They can't get on top of their own.
[01:33:47]  It's below the national average.
[01:33:48]  Sure.
[01:33:48]  Sure.
[01:33:49]  Let me ask you a question.
[01:33:50]  Let me ask you a question.
[01:33:51]  Where are you from?
[01:33:52]  What city?
[01:33:52]  Where am I living?
[01:33:53]  I live in Texas.
[01:33:54]  What city are you from?
[01:33:54]  Blackwood?
[01:33:55]  Originally?
[01:33:56]  Yeah.
[01:33:56]  I'm Canadian.
[01:33:57]  You're from Canada.
[01:33:58]  Yeah.
[01:33:58]  Okay.
[01:33:58]  Canadians.
[01:33:59]  So let me ask you.
[01:34:04]  Democrat policy in Chicago with 100 years of supermajority.
[01:34:13]  So there is numerous territories, neighborhoods in Chicago that were overridden by black gangs.
[01:34:20]  Do you know what the Democrat policy was?
[01:34:23]  No, I have no idea.
[01:34:24]  It was to tell the people who lived that they wanted to renovate the project housing so they would be temporarily relocated, and then they bulldozed their homes and poured dirt over it and never did anything again.
[01:34:35]  That has consistently been what the Democrats of Chicago have done to deal with the problem of impoverished black neighborhoods.
[01:34:41]  How about the policies of redlining and blockbusting in Chicago?
[01:34:44]  Redlining literally comes from Chicago's red line, where the cultural practice at the time under the Democrats was to force black people to live in impoverished areas and they wouldn't sell them property outside.
[01:34:55]  The Democrats do not create policies that benefit these cities.
[01:35:00]  In my experience, growing up in a city that was run by Democrats for 100 years, you couldn't do anything because the processes by which they collected the votes made it impossible to actually change this system.
[01:35:13]  Then why money?
[01:35:14]  Like Los Angeles is a great example as well, where they have the worst homeless problem in the developed world.
[01:35:20]  Yet for the life of them, they just keep dumping money into what we call the homeless industrial complex, a series of NGOs and government programs that dump money to corrupt individuals.
[01:35:29]  What percentage of homeless people in California are even from California, do you know?
[01:35:33]  It is actually a minority, but a good chunk.
[01:35:36]  The issue with homelessness in Los Angeles is that the weather is nice and it attracts homelessness.
[01:35:41]  And they have, and they have, so it's not just that.
[01:35:43]  I'm actually from Edmonton, where I'm from.
[01:35:45]  We have one of the largest homeless populations in Canada, despite it being one of the most northern major city in almost in the world.
[01:35:51]  It's a liberal city.
[01:35:52]  That's a red city.
[01:35:54]  Oh, interesting.
[01:35:54]  But we have huge, huge, we just have an incredible nonprofit sector.
[01:35:58]  It's actually where my husband and I met is working for the same homeless shelter.
[01:36:01]  But we have such great resources that people will get bus rides to Edmonton as a homeless person to take advantage of the system that they have, right?
[01:36:11]  So what's often happening is red states aren't educating people.
[01:36:14]  They're getting them hooked on jobs, giving them construction jobs.
[01:36:17]  And then when they become, like the government is not getting people hooked on drugs, people are not educating them.
[01:36:22]  They're not building successful economies that scale up to allow people out of just construction jobs, which is why you're right, Republicans don't have very big red cities because Republicans don't build good cities, it seems to be the case.
[01:36:36]  It seems like if cities have to be ontologically left, we have to ask ourselves why.
[01:36:42]  Because it's collectivism.
[01:36:44]  Talk to any city person.
[01:36:46]  They're not just this collective.
[01:36:47]  Well, I think that's the nature of cities as you collect in an area.
[01:36:49]  Well, I think the issue is the process of lowest common denominator population bases.
[01:36:56]  So cities are multicultural, multi-demographic, whereas rural areas tend to be less so.
[01:37:03]  They tend to be more homogenous.
[01:37:04]  So it's really easy to win a red district that is overwhelmingly white and like traditional American values.
[01:37:10]  Chicago is much more difficult.
[01:37:12]  If you look at the election of Brandon Johnson, remarkably, every neighborhood voted based on race, 100%.
[01:37:20]  What I find truly remarkable is that in the black neighborhoods, you had the top three candidates.
[01:37:25]  You had, I forgot the guy's name.
[01:37:26]  There was the white dude.
[01:37:28]  There was Brandon Johnson, who's a black guy, and a Hispanic guy.
[01:37:31]  When you go to like the Pilsen areas, top candidate was the Hispanic guy, followed by the white guy.
[01:37:36]  You go to the white areas, top candidates, the white guy.
[01:37:38]  You go to the black areas.
[01:37:39]  This is where it got interesting.
[01:37:40]  The top three candidates were three black people.
[01:37:43]  And the reason Brandon Johnson is because only one neighborhood defected, and it was the Loyal University area, like near Evanston, where you have a predominantly young leftist base that voted for the more socialist black candidate.
[01:37:56]  And so you combine that with the racial demographics, and they voted for a candidate just because he was black, for the most part.
[01:38:01]  Like the progressives probably did too.
[01:38:03]  He was like a socialist, and he was black, and they didn't want white supremacy or whatever, but that's a small portion of the Chicago base.
[01:38:08]  Chicago votes based on race, right?
[01:38:10]  This is not a function of being a Republican or being a Democrat.
[01:38:13]  It was literally just the black neighborhood saying we were only going to vote for black people and the white neighborhood saying we're going to vote for the white guy and the Latino neighborhood saying we're going to vote for the Latino guy.
[01:38:21]  And it's not necessarily that it's overtly about race, although I do think that's a component of it.
[01:38:25]  I think it's who's speaking to who.
[01:38:26]  If you're a white working class suburbanite kind of guy and you meet like a firefighter family and you say like, I used to bring my kid to go play baseball.
[01:38:33]  You go, hey, me too.
[01:38:34]  I like this guy.
[01:38:35]  And then if the Latino guy goes to that same dude and says, we used to bring the Malisa and we'd sell them on a porch, the guy's going to be like, I don't know what that means.
[01:38:42]  And so they're not going to feel that rapport.
[01:38:44]  You know what I mean?
[01:38:45]  I know that this isn't what you're saying, but what it sounds like you're arguing, and so clarify where the nuance is here.
[01:38:50]  It sounds like you're arguing when I said, why are cities just ontologically left-leaning?
[01:38:55]  Like, I don't think that they have to be, right?
[01:38:57]  Assuming I don't think that they have to be.
[01:38:59]  And it seems like your answer is black people are in cities who vote for black people.
[01:39:04]  Well, let me know.
[01:39:06]  Because there's definitely more white people in.
[01:39:07]  It's called lowest common denominator politics.
[01:39:10]  If you have three distinct cultures that do not agree with each other, in order to win, you need to find the point at which they do come together.
[01:39:19]  And so it's actually quite simple.
[01:39:21]  I'll give you free stuff.
[01:39:23]  So we'll give you free welfare benefits.
[01:39:25]  We'll increase EBT.
[01:39:26]  And this will get you the largest share.
[01:39:30]  If you go to Chicago and you take a look at like the Midway neighborhood, which is voting for Trump, you're going to say, no free stuff.
[01:39:35]  You got to work hard.
[01:39:37]  You got to roll up your sleeves and live a good life.
[01:39:39]  They're going to be like, I'm voting for that guy.
[01:39:41]  But if you go and say that in Loyola, for instance, they're going to say, you are completely discounting the experience of marginalized people.
[01:39:47]  And I will not vote for this.
[01:39:49]  You go to the upper class area and you say, we need to create social programs.
[01:39:53]  And they're going to be like, well, this is an affront.
[01:39:55]  The lowest common denominator for maximizing voting, this is macro-level politics, is to say, I am going to give you your benefits.
[01:40:06]  If you go to a rural Republican area, you are going to find generally cultural homogeneity for the most part.
[01:40:12]  You're going to find over a large swath of land of a district, most people are culturally and ethnically homogenous to a great degree.
[01:40:20]  When you go to cities, you're going to find it's going to be multicultural.
[01:40:22]  So let's say you go to Chicago.
[01:40:24]  But they're also less educated, less innovative.
[01:40:26]  They're not typically on the bleeding front.
[01:40:28]  Well, that's not material to advocating for a vote, right?
[01:40:31]  Well, it's this question again of why is the left ontologically, why are cities?
[01:40:36]  Are you arguing that the impoverished black neighborhoods are more educated than the white heirs of the same city?
[01:40:41]  I'm saying that cities generally are an aggregate.
[01:40:43]  I'm actually saying I think that the reason why cities tend to be left dominated is because they have policy that appeals to city voters the most.
[01:40:51]  It appeals to most people.
[01:40:54]  Except apparently rural voters.
[01:40:56]  Right.
[01:40:56]  Which is like too smart to do it?
[01:40:58]  Because do you understand macro-level politics?
[01:41:02]  I understand you're saying they try to make generalized policy.
[01:41:05]  I slightly disagree because they don't say we want to give you your benefits.
[01:41:08]  They try to go, which policies are popular right now that lowest common denominators.
[01:41:12]  Which policy connects every group of people?
[01:41:15]  As much as possible, yes.
[01:41:16]  So again, in a rural area, they need only go apple pie.
[01:41:19]  And they go, woo!
[01:41:21]  And they need to go like America.
[01:41:22]  And they're like, yeah.
[01:41:23]  And then you go to a city, and if you say America, people are going to be like, America's white supremacist.
[01:41:27]  And another guy's going to be like, I've been American my whole life.
[01:41:30]  You can't.
[01:41:30]  So they say, tax the rich because that's not you.
[01:41:36]  So they say, we want to do programs.
[01:41:37]  And then people go, how are you going to pay for it?
[01:41:38]  We're going to tax the rich.
[01:41:39]  And then look what's going on in New York.
[01:41:41]  Actually, we should pull up what's going on.
[01:41:43]  Where are the richest people in the world?
[01:41:44]  Cities.
[01:41:45]  Dubai.
[01:41:46]  Cities.
[01:41:47]  Yeah, cities actually.
[01:41:48]  That we know of.
[01:41:50]  In fact, what are the poorest people in New York?
[01:41:52]  Let me, Kyla, challenge this.
[01:41:53]  We have this story from the New York Post.
[01:41:56]  Desperate Hochul begs wealthy New Yorkers to come back as Momdani pressures her to hike their taxes.
[01:42:03]  They say Kathy Hochl is begging wealthy New Yorkers who fled the city to encourage their rich pals to come back and continue patting the Empire State's lavish public handouts.
[01:42:11]  Hochul made the case against caving to mayor, made the case against caving to Mayor's Armandani's demands that she hike income taxes by saying she not only wants fat cats to stay in the city, but also by clawing at those who have moved to states with better business climates like Florida.
[01:42:25]  Hey, I'm one of those people.
[01:42:28]  I left New York for a variety of reasons, not entirely because of high taxes, but that was a component.
[01:42:33]  Moved further south largely because of riots and violence, went to New Jersey, and then New Jersey had crazy taxes.
[01:42:38]  So we got out, now we're in West Virginia, although we're currently enjoying the beautiful weather here in Austin.
[01:42:43]  I was recently asked, as I've explained quite a bit, there are big investors, media companies, looking to buy out podcasts and get in the space.
[01:42:52]  And so, of course, as many of you know, we've been having negotiations with companies for years and in various ways.
[01:42:56]  That doesn't mean we'll take any deals.
[01:42:58]  But I was recently asked by a company if we'd be willing to relocate to New York City, where there's a lot of infrastructure, high-profile guests, celebrities, great opportunity, all of the big podcasting network companies.
[01:43:09]  And I said, never going to happen.
[01:43:10]  And they said, what is prohibitive about New York?
[01:43:13]  And I said, the taxes are too high.
[01:43:15]  Even with those benefits, when we do the cost-benefit analysis, we lose money by going to New York.
[01:43:20]  It is not worth it.
[01:43:21]  Now, Florida and Texas, maybe, but New York, no.
[01:43:24]  And now New York's facing a massive deficit where Zawarmandani explicitly stated if they cannot tax the wealthy, they will have to tax the middle class.
[01:43:35]  That's somewhat true.
[01:43:36]  Are you opposed to progressive taxation?
[01:43:37]  Literally, what is it?
[01:43:39]  I'm in favor of a degree of progressive taxation.
[01:43:42]  However, you can't, you have to recognize freedom of movement.
[01:43:47]  And I think there's, are you familiar with the Laffer Curve?
[01:43:52]  I'm not actually telling you.
[01:43:53]  So this is a economic, it's an understanding in tax policy that there is a point at which you increase the tax rate and you decrease tax revenue because you'll either stagnate activity or you'll pressure people to leave.
[01:44:07]  I'm familiar with that.
[01:44:07]  So there is a happy medium where people will be satisfied paying a certain percentage of their income at a certain level if they feel like the benefit is worth it.
[01:44:15]  However, New York has been experiencing a lot of problems recently.
[01:44:17]  Notably, they've had a massive dog feces problem, which is new.
[01:44:21]  I think this is a component of low trust society.
[01:44:24]  You've also had high-profile cases of subway people being pushed on subway tracks.
[01:44:28]  Whether this is more than normal, it is certainly popping up in media and it's causing people to freak out.
[01:44:34]  So you've had, since COVID lockdowns, a mass exodus.
[01:44:38]  Now you have with increased taxes, a continued exodus where we're not just seeing the upper class, the wealthy leave.
[01:44:45]  You're actually seeing middle class people leave the city because they don't feel that they're getting their value from the city.
[01:44:51]  I would also throw it back to when AOC joined in these protests against Amazon, which is projected to bring in somewhere around like $30 billion in tax revenue.
[01:45:00]  And she came to these financial district protests, ultimately, whether intentionally or otherwise, created a hubbub that pressured Amazon not to create, not to put their warehouses in New York, in Queens, and that cost the city billions, which they were hoping to get to fix their crumbling train infrastructure.
[01:45:15]  So for a lot of people who live in New York, it feels like the taxes are just not worth it.
[01:45:19]  Whatever may be.
[01:45:20]  I just can't find, so here's the issue.
[01:45:22]  Okay, Governor Hochl is literally begging them to come back because they did leave.
[01:45:25]  The New York post is the word.
[01:45:27]  No, I'm sorry.
[01:45:29]  You're not going to argue, source.
[01:45:30]  The governor literally did this.
[01:45:32]  The governor literally said, please come back.
[01:45:35]  That's not for dispute.
[01:45:37]  What's her quote specifically?
[01:45:39]  And does she have evidence for this?
[01:45:40]  I mean, we did play the video earlier.
[01:45:44]  Let me play the video for you.
[01:45:46]  Give it to me, Kathy.
[01:45:47]  I'm looking forward to hearing her voice.
[01:45:49]  Hocho made the case, came against Zoran Mandani.
[01:45:51]  Quote, maybe the first step should be to go down to Palm Beach and see who we can bring back home because our tax base here has eroded.
[01:45:56]  I have to look at the fact that we are in competition with other states who have less of a tax burden on their corporations and their individuals.
[01:46:02]  The comments are a far cry from her much-directed remarks in her 2020 election campaign where she ripped her GOP opponent, Rep Lee Zeldin, as the then Duchess of blah, blah, blah, blah.
[01:46:11]  Trump and Zeldon and Molinaro just jump on a bus and head on to Florida where you belong, okay?
[01:46:15]  Get out of town because you don't represent our values, she said.
[01:46:18]  Wow.
[01:46:18]  Blah, We have to be smart about this, but we can fund what we want to fund with what we are already taking in.
[01:46:25]  The state has been facing its own multi-billion dollar budget gap that was largely patched after a great year on Wall Street, caused bonuses to shoot up 25% over 2025.
[01:46:33]  Blah, blah, blah.
[01:46:34]  I am focused on 100% or affordability issues.
[01:46:36]  It appears, actually, there's two quotes, because I played this video earlier where she's sitting at a conference meeting saying, like, we need to get the wealthy to come back.
[01:46:44]  This is how Trump revitalized New York.
[01:46:46]  He created these luxury towers and then told wealthy people this is where the high class is.
[01:46:53]  They came back in, combined with Giuliani's broken window policing, which really just means heavy law enforcement crackdown.
[01:47:00]  And it became more appealing to wealthy individuals and corporations, which then boosted its tax base.
[01:47:05]  Like the controversy, as thus far, which is not up for dispute, Zorhan Mamdani gave a speech to the city saying, we must tax the rich to fund these programs.
[01:47:16]  If we do not, we are going to have to tax the middle class.
[01:47:20]  so i understand and i understand why he's saying that and i agree with him that we do need to tax the rich right so when i'm looking into like this laughter stuff my understanding is that like you're not going to tax me i left So most wealthy individuals do not leave from taxes, only 2%.
[01:47:34]  So millionaire tax flight is only about 2% of top owners are moving in response to higher taxes.
[01:47:40]  And you're talking about generally?
[01:47:42]  Yeah.
[01:47:42]  Okay, so general from New York specifically over the past several months.
[01:47:45]  Well, every time I've looked up New York, it said there is no mass exodus happening at all.
[01:47:50]  There has been a general trend of some rich people going to Florida because of no state income tax.
[01:47:56]  I just Googled it, so we'll just pull up whatever Google says.
[01:47:59]  How about that?
[01:48:00]  New York City is experiencing a significant ongoing exodus of high net worth individuals driven by high taxes, steep living costs, and remote work flexibility, with many relocating to low-tax states like Florida.
[01:48:08]  Despite this, this year remains a global wealth hub with over 33,000 residents worth 30 million or more as of July 2025.
[01:48:13]  That's interesting.
[01:48:14]  I wonder what is motivating the governor to be like, please come back.
[01:48:18]  I'm going to have to go down to Palm Beach and see who we can bring back.
[01:48:21]  Like clearly she's saying this because she's experiencing a problem, right?
[01:48:25]  She, well, possibly, like taking politicians at their word, it's like one of the worst things, especially when we have a quote in the exact same article of her saying literally the opposite, like two years before and saying she was saying, why don't you leave?
[01:48:39]  Yes, that's what I'm saying.
[01:48:40]  She wasn't governor at the time.
[01:48:41]  Right, so now all of a sudden...
[01:48:42]  She was running.
[01:48:43]  Or actually, I'm sorry.
[01:48:44]  Sorry.
[01:48:44]  She was lieutenant governor who assumed it from Cuomo and was in the campaign saying she wanted to run.
[01:48:48]  Right.
[01:48:49]  And she was saying, screw those people.
[01:48:50]  If they want to leave, they can leave and saying basically the opposite of everything.
[01:48:53]  Escape from New York 2025 Millionaire Edition.
[01:48:56]  What other articles say this?
[01:48:57]  Geo Team.
[01:48:58]  Rich New Yorkers threaten to leave.
[01:49:00]  Then they find out how hard that is.
[01:49:01]  That's a funny one.
[01:49:02]  Brokers discuss Mamdani feud wealth exodus fears, Yahoo Finance.
[01:49:06]  The Center Square, Momdani's tax plans could exacerbate, could.
[01:49:10]  So like one of the issues you have to think with why people move, right?
[01:49:12]  Some people do just move purely for wealth, but a lot of rich people have families.
[01:49:16]  They have kids.
[01:49:17]  They have plugged in.
[01:49:18]  They have all of the local restaurants.
[01:49:19]  They have all the digs, right?
[01:49:20]  Have this entire life and community connected to the city, which is why I agree there is some little bit of pressure of if you tax the rich, yeah, they might like move elsewhere, which would just make a better argument for greater federal taxes.
[01:49:32]  But that's the Canadian and me, right?
[01:49:35]  But is Hochle wrong?
[01:49:37]  Is who?
[01:49:37]  Is Hokka wrong?
[01:49:38]  Are like they not leaving?

=== High Earner Exodus Impact (04:41) ===

[01:49:39]  Are all these articles wrong?
[01:49:40]  Are they not leaving?
[01:49:42]  I suspect it's to be disputed, right?
[01:49:44]  Like many of these.
[01:49:45]  All these articles are wrong.
[01:49:46]  Well, the issue is the news is wrong.
[01:49:48]  Well, the articles here are saying 2%.
[01:49:49]  That's not the same.
[01:49:50]  No, no, no, A general comment on cities, right, where people may or may not leave is not the same as literally me pulling up a series of articles where they're like the wealthy are leaving.
[01:50:02]  Exodus, exodus, that's a really sexy, we're talking about news articles versus a data-driven thing that's saying here a white-like.
[01:50:07]  Which is not material to just New York City.
[01:50:09]  Sure, it's actually looking at the taxing.
[01:50:11]  If we're talking about New York City, right?
[01:50:15]  Would you say that this policy of taxing the rich would make them leave would hold true regardless of whether it's New York or just like Palm Spring?
[01:50:21]  We're just talking about New York.
[01:50:22]  So are you denying that the data that I'm showing you, that is not from.
[01:50:25]  I'm saying it's not material to a conversation about New York.
[01:50:28]  How is generalized data about this principle not going to be applicable to a city in which we're talking about the same principle?
[01:50:34]  New York City is experiencing a wealth exodus, yes or no?
[01:50:36]  It seems like, no, it seems like calling it an exodus.
[01:50:38]  So these articles are just not correct?
[01:50:40]  Yeah.
[01:50:41]  Shocker, people are fear-mongering.
[01:50:43]  It sounds like some people are leaving.
[01:50:46]  But it looks like it's a 2% rate.
[01:50:49]  The governor fell for fake news.
[01:50:50]  I don't know what she's doing.
[01:50:51]  Maybe she fell for fake news.
[01:50:52]  She's saying we need to bring these people back.
[01:50:54]  It could be a multitude of reasons.
[01:50:56]  This is why I'll never vote Democrat.
[01:50:57]  Why?
[01:50:58]  Because I'm not.
[01:50:59]  I know what data is like.
[01:51:00]  I'm just reading the news.
[01:51:02]  Yeah, you're reading headlines and I'm reading a lot of people who are not going to be able to do that.
[01:51:04]  And the governor's own statements.
[01:51:06]  And the only conclusion I can come to when the governor says, please come back, and the news reports say they're experiencing a wealth exodus is that they are.
[01:51:13]  So if the governor says trans kids actually need to transition, we just believe the governor now?
[01:51:17]  Because the governor said it?
[01:51:18]  When the governor says we have a budget shortfall and we need wealthy people back, I go, wow, that's interesting.
[01:51:23]  That's not what she said.
[01:51:24]  She just said we got to go down to Palm Springs and bring them back.
[01:51:26]  Palm Beach.
[01:51:26]  I got a question for you.
[01:51:29]  Is it 2% of the top earners left or 2% of the wealth is gone?
[01:51:33]  No, 2% of top earners leave.
[01:51:35]  So what percent of the New York economy was commanded by that 2% of people?
[01:51:39]  Well, I'm not sure.
[01:51:41]  Probably, I wouldn't be surprised if a significant amount, probably like the top, like say we've got 100 people, right?
[01:51:46]  And 10 of them are the top earners, and two of those people leave.
[01:51:49]  I wouldn't even be surprised if the top top earners are the ones that leave necessarily, right?
[01:51:54]  But the issue is that calling that an exodus is over-inflating the issue.
[01:51:59]  It makes it sound like millionaires are packing up their rich, blonde, beautiful kids into their beautiful Land Rovers, and they're driving down to Florida en masse.
[01:52:08]  And that's not happening.
[01:52:09]  What's happening is probably a select few of the top top performers.
[01:52:14]  Sure.
[01:52:14]  Between 2019 and 2020, the number of New Yorkers earning between 150 and 750 fell by 6%, while the number of true high earners dropped by 10%.
[01:52:22]  Wait, so according to the city's independent budget office, this erosion matters because the city's tops 1%, about 41,000 filers pay more than 40% of all income taxes.
[01:52:30]  The top 10% pay about two-thirds, which means the remaining 90% of taxpayers contribute only about one-third of the city's income tax revenue.
[01:52:36]  When even a small share of these high earners disappears, the impact is seismic.
[01:52:40]  So recent migration trends confirm the damage.
[01:52:42]  More than 125,000 New Yorkers have fled to Florida in just the past few years, carrying nearly $14 billion worth of income with them, according to the Citizens Budget Commission.
[01:52:50]  About a third of these movies, movers, more than 41,000 people, went to Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Broward counties between 2018 and 2022.
[01:52:58]  Those escapes alone stripped New York City of an estimated $10 billion in adjusTedros income.
[01:53:03]  When money and mobility align, no amount of political rhetoric can stop people from voting with their feet.
[01:53:08]  Into this fragile situation, steps Zaranandani, and et cetera, et cetera.
[01:53:11]  So the top, did you say it was the top 2% of earners left?
[01:53:14]  Or how did you phrase that?
[01:53:16]  The top 2% of the earners in New York City?
[01:53:18]  Top earners, 2% of them leave.
[01:53:21]  Well, according to the same budget.
[01:53:23]  The earners, is that like 95 to 100?
[01:53:25]  The top earners, do you have that data?
[01:53:26]  We all have to look for it.
[01:53:27]  The data is kind of defunct until we can figure that stuff out.
[01:53:30]  Because if 2% of the people left and took 40% of New York's GDP, that's an exodus.
[01:53:36]  That's a legit, like catastrophic change.
[01:53:39]  It's an exodus to the budget, but it's not an exodus of people.
[01:53:43]  Correct.
[01:53:44]  Right.
[01:53:44]  But the issue is that when we're talking about this, what we're making it sound like is that people and mass are moving.
[01:53:49]  What we're really saying is the richest of the absolute rich won't share the pie.
[01:53:53]  And if anything gets hiked up on them, those people, those select individuals, leave.
[01:53:58]  Since April 2020, New York City has experienced a significant population decline, losing nearly 500,000 residents or 5.3% of its population in the initial years following the pandemic.
[01:54:07]  While the population outflows slowed in 2022, the city saw a net loss of 216,778 residents in the end of 2023, largely driven by domestic migration.
[01:54:17]  They did recover a little bit in the past year or so.

=== Progressive Taxes Fund War Machine (05:53) ===

[01:54:20]  But that's not thing.
[01:54:20]  That's only from taxes, right?
[01:54:22]  Probably.
[01:54:22]  No, that's everything.
[01:54:22]  That's everything.
[01:54:23]  Yeah, because I don't realize housing prices.
[01:54:25]  We are seeing mass migration.
[01:54:26]  So I'll say two things.
[01:54:27]  Sure.
[01:54:27]  For housing and stuff as well.
[01:54:28]  I'm not surprised that people might be leaving New York.
[01:54:31]  We're going to try and grab.
[01:54:31]  Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I'm going to try.
[01:54:34]  I want to say a couple things, and then we've got to get some of these rebel rants and chats.
[01:54:39]  We'll go a little bit long because I've been having five minutes.
[01:54:41]  I enjoy the conversation.
[01:54:43]  So I work 16 hours a day.
[01:54:45]  Today I will have recorded five and a half hours of content.
[01:54:48]  I record more podcast, talk, radio, do you want to call it, than any other person on the planet.
[01:54:54]  Now, that's just being hyperbolic because there's probably some dude in his room who talks for eight hours.
[01:54:58]  I was going to say, except Clavik through, right?
[01:54:59]  But people say Hassan streams for eight hours, but he doesn't actually talk for eight hours.
[01:55:03]  I actually have hard, straight talk for five and a half hours, which is about eight or nine hours.
[01:55:09]  Well, it's about eight or nine hours of like research plus talking.
[01:55:13]  So I work for about 16 hours a day with business stuff in between.
[01:55:17]  I lose money by doing it because of progressive taxes, which has driven me to the point where like my wife and I have had the conversation about like we probably shouldn't anymore, but you know, like what would make this work?
[01:55:27]  So here's how it works.
[01:55:30]  The first eight hours I work, I make the bulk of my money.
[01:55:33]  After this, we decide to do Tim Cast IRL, in which I'm working for 16 hours, but I'm a salary-based individual.
[01:55:40]  And then, of course, we have our profit margins.
[01:55:42]  Because I pay more taxes after a certain amount, it means the more hours I work, the less amount of money I make.
[01:55:49]  If I stop working these hours, 30 to 40 people will lose their jobs.
[01:55:53]  However, I'm looking at a diminishing return on working these extra hours.
[01:55:57]  I would be rich if I didn't.
[01:55:59]  This is the problem with progressive taxes.
[01:56:01]  Should these producers and personalities who work in this industry lose their jobs because the progressive tax system is punishing me for working extra hours?
[01:56:09]  The assumption with the taxing the wealthy is that these are people who are just, they're working 40 hours like everybody else.
[01:56:15]  Therefore, they're earning a salary and they should pay more.
[01:56:18]  When the reality is, at least for me, I'm only making more money because I'm choosing to work 80 hours a week or more and getting punished for doing so.
[01:56:26]  That creates a perverse incentive, which would tell people not to run their businesses, not to work.
[01:56:32]  And for that reason, I largely disagree with, I would call it like higher end progressive taxes.
[01:56:38]  That doesn't create a challenge because there are some people who barely work at all and make a ton of money.
[01:56:42]  But the problem with a blanket tax system is that not everybody makes money in the exact same way, but they will all be taxed in the same way.
[01:56:50]  That creates a problem.
[01:56:51]  A problem for productivity.
[01:56:52]  And it creates a detriment to working class people who rely on CEOs who are going to work 80 hours a week.
[01:56:58]  Right.
[01:56:59]  And so when I talk about progressive taxes.
[01:57:01]  So why should I get taxed for working more?
[01:57:02]  Sure.
[01:57:03]  The main thing that I would say is we need a distribution system that allows for, right now, what we seem to have is a distribution system where there's like a K going on.
[01:57:11]  This is what a lot of economists are calling it, right?
[01:57:13]  You're either getting poorer or you're getting richer and there's a diminishing middle class.
[01:57:17]  What I want is actually a taxation system that is most incentivized for the common man.
[01:57:22]  I want the middle class to have the tax system built around them, actually.
[01:57:25]  I think that that would be the best.
[01:57:26]  I think that there should be way more tax credits for middle class earners, small business owners, these types of individuals.
[01:57:33]  And there should be a lot more scrutiny looked at corporate businesses, right?
[01:57:36]  For example, if you've got a corporate like Walmart or these like major, major companies, and their corporate profits have gone incredibly high over the last few years, but their wages have stagnated for the past five years.
[01:57:50]  We need to look at that and figure out a way to redistribute it.
[01:57:53]  Maybe we find that company and we just force.
[01:57:55]  Maybe we don't need to do all more taxations.
[01:57:56]  Maybe we need to force companies to pay workers more.
[01:57:59]  I completely agree that like Facebook making $160 billion, they should be taxed on it because we just need money to blow up brown people.
[01:58:07]  More importantly, pay their work.
[01:58:08]  No, no, no, pay their workers.
[01:58:10]  She agrees.
[01:58:10]  No, not at all.
[01:58:11]  Not at all.
[01:58:12]  See, the problem I have with aggressive taxes after the fact is that the money is going to go to the war machine for the most part.
[01:58:17]  You get corporations.
[01:58:20]  How about we reallocate the existing tax infrastructure and figure out after that if we do need to raise taxes?
[01:58:26]  Sure.
[01:58:27]  I mean, unless you're saying taxes should be punitive.
[01:58:30]  No, I want them incentive-based.
[01:58:31]  Like, for example, I want families to be able to claim things like gyms, public.
[01:58:37]  No, no, I agree.
[01:58:37]  I agree.
[01:58:38]  What do you say?
[01:58:40]  Forgive me for interrupting, but real quick question.
[01:58:42]  Gotta show you.
[01:58:43]  Do you think we should stop funding massive military budgets and stuff like that?
[01:58:48]  I think we need some military budget, but I don't know.
[01:58:49]  Sure, sure, but like it's kind of a lot, right?
[01:58:52]  Like a trillion dollars.
[01:58:53]  Probably the issue is I have no, I don't have a good idea of like what military budget was necessary in an age of like China and Russia because we need to be stronger than them.
[01:59:03]  Are you in favor or opposition to the Iran war?
[01:59:05]  I'm opposed to the Iran war and how it's handled.
[01:59:08]  Do you think that we should reallocate?
[01:59:13]  We should basically look at where the tax money is going and then assess whether or not we are wasting money.
[01:59:20]  Waste, fraud, and abuse tends to be the term.
[01:59:21]  But I don't like that as a single issue because, you know, maybe we don't need such a big military budget.
[01:59:27]  We want a good one.
[01:59:27]  Don't get me wrong.
[01:59:29]  But would you agree that we could probably reallocate the existing tax base, like tax revenue, to better things?
[01:59:36]  I'm sure there's many areas I would happily.
[01:59:38]  I think the solution is we do that first, then we go through the budget and figure out where we need to tax more if we need to fund other things.
[01:59:45]  Because I feel like we can probably find a bunch of missing money from waste, fraud, and abuse, but also programs we don't like, and then be like, hey, we could put that money towards things we do like.
[01:59:54]  Sure.
[01:59:54]  Then after that, we might not need as much tax as you think.
[01:59:57]  This is why I hated Doge so much is that it was this opportunity to properly audit government spending and ask the questions of where they went.
[02:00:03]  And they didn't reduce the deficit.
[02:00:05]  They chainsaw hacked.
[02:00:06]  They destroyed U.S. aid, which was especially if you're, well, if you're dovish, if you're dovish, which I believe you are.
[02:00:13]  Dove.

=== Soft Power Versus Hard Negotiation (04:57) ===

[02:00:14]  Dovish?
[02:00:14]  Dovish.
[02:00:15]  Yeah, like not war hawk.
[02:00:17]  So Trump is a hawk, right?
[02:00:18]  If you're dovish.
[02:00:19]  I'm going to call myself dovish.
[02:00:21]  It probably means you probably prefer diplomacy.
[02:00:23]  If there's any foreign intervention that you have to do, you probably prefer diplomacy first.
[02:00:27]  You probably prefer soft power and negotiation.
[02:00:29]  I'm assuming.
[02:00:31]  I would argue that I'm like, if I don't want to say left or right.
[02:00:37]  Let's say up or down.
[02:00:38]  If up is dovish and down is hawkish, I'm just slightly above the center towards dovish.
[02:00:43]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:00:44]  That's kind of what I presumed.
[02:00:46]  I don't think you're an extreme on all people up here.
[02:00:49]  Yeah, I understand World War II happened and Hitler.
[02:00:51]  And the Ayatollah was not a good guy, and I don't cry.
[02:00:53]  I don't shed a table.
[02:00:54]  Exactly.
[02:00:54]  Neither was Bashar al-Assad.
[02:00:57]  I've brainfired.
[02:00:58]  Let's run around, guys.
[02:01:00]  We're going to get some of your Rumble rants.
[02:01:02]  These debates are always fun.
[02:01:03]  Rumble rant.
[02:01:04]  We're going to have the uncensored portion of the show coming up, but we'll try and get as many of these as we can because we're, you know, I'm sorry.
[02:01:09]  I was enjoying the conversation too much.
[02:01:11]  Gonzo says, we'll come back to watch, but wanted to follow Tim Cast tradition.
[02:01:15]  My wife is currently being induced.
[02:01:17]  Welcome to the world.
[02:01:17]  Cody Gonzalez, all prayers are welcomed and appreciated.
[02:01:20]  Yeah.
[02:01:21]  Thank you.
[02:01:21]  Congratulations.
[02:01:23]  Good job.
[02:01:23]  Baby.
[02:01:25]  Do you want me to read the mean ones?
[02:01:27]  Sure.
[02:01:28]  Dan Visha says, Kyla is face quirking from all the amphetamines.
[02:01:31]  I don't do amphetamines.
[02:01:33]  I don't know what you mean by face quirking.
[02:01:35]  I posted this on X earlier because people comment that I'm on meth or like Adderall.
[02:01:40]  And I'm like, I take it as a compliment because I've never done any hard drug.
[02:01:43]  The worst thing I've ever done is smoked pot once when I was 16.
[02:01:46]  I didn't enjoy it.
[02:01:46]  I don't drink, don't smoke.
[02:01:48]  I have no tattoos.
[02:01:49]  No Adderall.
[02:01:49]  I have a cup of coffee every morning around 8 a.m.
[02:01:53]  That's it.
[02:01:53]  A single cup.
[02:01:54]  And then I don't drink coffee after 10 a.m.
[02:01:56]  It's just that I get him so high when I'm sitting next to him.
[02:01:59]  He gets all stimulated.
[02:02:00]  Actually, the secret is Ian's got a cattle prod.
[02:02:03]  And when I start getting tired, he just walks in the room.
[02:02:06]  No, no, he says talk more.
[02:02:08]  Go.
[02:02:08]  So it's like, I'll record my first segment.
[02:02:10]  I'll be like, Ian, I'm just too tired.
[02:02:11]  Oh, shunk.
[02:02:13]  16 hours today, Tim.
[02:02:14]  Let's go.
[02:02:16]  Sleep says, to keep the tradition going, I'm in the hospital with the, with the, and the wife is pushing baby girl number three.
[02:02:23]  Help.
[02:02:24]  I am now massively outnumbered.
[02:02:26]  Too many babies.
[02:02:26]  There's a lot of babies in the super chats.
[02:02:28]  It's a tradition.
[02:02:29]  People for some reason, people have decided to make a meme trend where when their wife is giving birth, they go on and chat like, it's now, we're doing it.
[02:02:39]  But we love it because it's an encounter or something.
[02:02:41]  That's very cute.
[02:02:41]  Well, congrats on the baby again.
[02:02:42]  J Dev says, so according to her, to be right-wing, you are just against the alphabet people.
[02:02:47]  She's literally half an inch deep puddle on politics.
[02:02:50]  I'm sure if you debated me anytime, I'm happily slop you up, okay?
[02:02:56]  Let's see.
[02:02:59]  What is this?
[02:03:00]  J Dev says, it's funny watching Tim debate against not so erudite.
[02:03:03]  I mean, ChatGPT.
[02:03:07]  Good one.
[02:03:07]  Were you using ChatGPT during the debate?
[02:03:09]  No, for the most part, if I use it at all, it's usually to just search for resources.
[02:03:13]  I'm mostly on Google looking for articles and stuff.
[02:03:15]  I like ChatGPT during.
[02:03:17]  I mean, I have no problems with it.
[02:03:18]  Just transparent, yeah.
[02:03:19]  Frankly, if anyone's actually looked at ChatGPT, I once tried to use it for debate prep to be like, debate me on my ideas to see what my opponent would say.
[02:03:26]  It's trash.
[02:03:26]  It's like garbage on debate.
[02:03:27]  Badmouth Bandit says, did you see James O'Keefe put a video out undercover as a homeless man on Skid Row, catching petitioners paying homeless people for signatures and paying them to register to vote?
[02:03:37]  Indeed, I did.
[02:03:39]  And guys, like I worked for, do you know what the perg groups are?
[02:03:44]  The group, it's redundant.
[02:03:45]  It's the public interest research groups.
[02:03:47]  It's a series of nonprofits, and they had me go out and do voter registration.
[02:03:51]  And like, literally, I walked up to people who are like, uh-uh.
[02:03:54]  And it's like, well, just sign up anyway.
[02:03:55]  I'm like, okay, I guess.
[02:03:56]  Like, these people don't pay attention.
[02:03:57]  They don't care what's going on in the world.
[02:03:59]  I think that in order to vote, you have to sign up for selective service, men and women alike.
[02:04:03]  Then you get a voter ID card after you do, and then you can vote as you see fit.
[02:04:09]  All right, let's see.
[02:04:11]  Lachev says, there's no mess exodus, just a steady stream of the richest people leaving.
[02:04:15]  That means you're wrong because I'm arguing a term you didn't say.
[02:04:18]  Semantic BS and avoiding context on purpose.
[02:04:23]  Uh-oh.
[02:04:24]  YouTube super chats crashed.
[02:04:27]  YouTube always crashes.
[02:04:28]  I swear, like, YouTube's been shadow banning the show.
[02:04:32]  Like, everybody's complaining about it.
[02:04:34]  It's weird that there's a super chat bug with YouTube and it hasn't been fixed in three years.
[02:04:39]  Is it because most shows don't get 50, 500 super chats in a night?
[02:04:44]  Is that what you're doing?
[02:04:44]  No, it's because YouTube controls who is me and who is not.
[02:04:49]  A year ago, YouTube had us on the front page.
[02:04:51]  This is crazy.
[02:04:51]  Like, if you went to YouTube Live, we were the default live show.
[02:04:56]  Someone clicked the button and then someone else got pissed and then dropped the hammer on you.
[02:05:01]  You guys got to understand.
[02:05:02]  If you don't fix that bug, you're not going to eclipse the level that we're at.
[02:05:07]  You need to, I don't know what the problem is.
[02:05:08]  Fix it.
[02:05:09]  It's been three years.
[02:05:09]  Okay, I'm cool.

=== Land Value Tax System Works (11:45) ===

[02:05:11]  All right.
[02:05:11]  Let's grab.
[02:05:12]  Let's grab some here.
[02:05:13]  What do we got here?
[02:05:14]  Pariah says, Press, I am here, as is Tim Cast tradition at 4.43 a.m. Pacific time on this day.
[02:05:20]  Our son Kai was born.
[02:05:21]  Congratulations.
[02:05:23]  Good job, man.
[02:05:23]  That's cute.
[02:05:24]  Congratulations.
[02:05:25]  Way to push yourself.
[02:05:26]  This is a cute tradition.
[02:05:27]  I like this.
[02:05:28]  All right.
[02:05:28]  I know.
[02:05:28]  It's just all over the place.
[02:05:31]  SA Federale says, listen, I never heard of this Kai Lahadi and left to watch the last YouTube I could find.
[02:05:37]  Jesse Lee Peterson questioning her as the funniest thing you'll ever watch.
[02:05:40]  I'm still laughing and choking.
[02:05:41]  Cheers, fam.
[02:05:42]  That was a very fun interview.
[02:05:44]  He's a funny guy.
[02:05:45]  He's unassumingly funny.
[02:05:47]  Does he travel?
[02:05:48]  I think he said he wasn't traveling, but we should.
[02:05:50]  Only the truth says the rich are leaving California because of a new proposed tax.
[02:05:54]  Indeed, we saw the Starbucks guy leave, and Starbucks is relocating to Nashville.
[02:05:59]  They're moving a good portion of their headquarters.
[02:06:01]  And right around the time that they announced they're going to be putting an income tax on high-income individuals.
[02:06:06]  I was going to tell you, I had, in my just anecdotal, nine families from my area in Los Angeles moved to Texas to the same area in Texas.
[02:06:14]  So there is an exodus.
[02:06:16]  I mean, you could say it's anecdotal or not, but that's nine families.
[02:06:20]  I mean, like I said earlier, we were asked by a production company if we'd consider being in New York, and we're like, no, 13.7% or whatever it is, because you've got city, state, and federal combined.
[02:06:30]  I'd be paying like 60%.
[02:06:32]  It's nuts.
[02:06:33]  And for what?
[02:06:34]  What would you get out of it?
[02:06:35]  I don't know.
[02:06:35]  A dude pushing someone on the subway tracks and like dog crap in the sidewalks.
[02:06:40]  I don't know if this would be our approach.
[02:06:42]  So there's a sweet spot here.
[02:06:45]  There has to be, right?
[02:06:47]  Taxes shouldn't, your question to taxers shouldn't just be, well, what do I get out of it?
[02:06:52]  Because part of the point of taxes is we all get something, right?
[02:06:55]  The reality is like, I'm willing to pay a certain amount of taxes so that if my employees have some sort of nightmare in the future, they can claim an unemployment and like have a life raft, right?
[02:07:05]  There are good things that come out of taxation.
[02:07:07]  But I disagree.
[02:07:08]  I think this country would be way better if people were just voting based on self-interest.
[02:07:12]  Wait, that was my argument.
[02:07:14]  I know.
[02:07:15]  I'm glad you caught that.
[02:07:16]  That bugs bunny.
[02:07:18]  Sure.
[02:07:19]  So the wealthy people should say, I am going to vote based on what benefits my life.
[02:07:23]  They do.
[02:07:24]  The issue is that.
[02:07:24]  And then they leave.
[02:07:25]  Well, they do.
[02:07:26]  It's just that they're always going to be outvoted by common man interest, right?
[02:07:30]  And so this is why I said there has to be a sweet spot, right?
[02:07:32]  Tax the rich doesn't mean I'm not for, I would never be for like a 90% tax on rich people.
[02:07:37]  I think that that's silly.
[02:07:38]  I think it's a bad progressive talking point.
[02:07:39]  But like land value tax, for example, is so much better than property tax.
[02:07:44]  It's genius.
[02:07:45]  How does it work?
[02:07:46]  Okay, so property taxes basically disincentivize you from developing property, right?
[02:07:50]  Because if your property gets better, they charge you more despite you contributing to society.
[02:07:55]  Land value says you're going to develop it as much as you want.
[02:07:57]  But if that piece of land, say you have 40 acres and it's in downtown LA, you're going to pay out your ass because it's high prime land and you have a lot of it.
[02:08:07]  Whereas if you have 40 acres in bum fuck nowhere, you're going to get taxed almost nothing.
[02:08:10]  So you're saying like the government should appropriate people's property?
[02:08:13]  No, that's very much the opposite.
[02:08:15]  It's saying we decide how much value a piece of land is worth based on its location, based on the size of plot, and you get taxed on that instead of the project.
[02:08:23]  The problem is inflation.
[02:08:25]  Let me finish the question.
[02:08:26]  We're just not asking a question.
[02:08:27]  So are you familiar with how property breaks apart and value taxes are government appropriation?
[02:08:37]  So I'll just explain it.
[02:08:38]  So you have 50 acres in 1800 and you're in an empty area that no one really cares about.
[02:08:43]  You do a little bit of farming there, but 50 acres isn't really enough to do any kind of substantial farming.
[02:08:48]  And it's a relatively small plot for back in the day.
[02:08:51]  You build a house, you die, your kids get it.
[02:08:53]  1900s come around and there's some development around your 50 acre plot of land.
[02:08:57]  And so the value has more worth now because of the existing businesses.
[02:09:00]  So what used to be just kind of wilderness trash now actually is reasonably valuable for anybody who wants to develop, but for the most part, they don't think about it.
[02:09:09]  However, property taxes for your property.
[02:09:13]  So let's do it all based on just modern property values.
[02:09:16]  So you have a property that's worth $100,000 and you got to pay a property tax about two grand per year and you make that money from your job or whatever it is you do and then you pay those taxes.
[02:09:26]  You give the property to your children, they inherit it.
[02:09:28]  But now because there's some development around, which you can't control, the property is worth $300,000.
[02:09:33]  You got to pay $6,000 this year.
[02:09:35]  Well, your kids who inherited are just working the same farm they always did.
[02:09:39]  They're not making $6,000.
[02:09:41]  The farm generates just enough to get by.
[02:09:43]  So what do they do?
[02:09:44]  They parcel a piece of that land.
[02:09:45]  They carve it off and they sell it off.
[02:09:48]  After 75 years, the land is now 50 different single acre parcels owned by a random spattering of people.
[02:09:54]  Or the worst part is they can't afford the taxes.
[02:09:57]  So the government seizes the property and then appropriates it.
[02:09:59]  Sure.
[02:09:59]  But in the case of property tax, now we have a different incentive structure where they sit on their land and they let it get increasingly dilapidated over time because if they improve it, if they single warehouse.
[02:10:12]  But your argument of a land value tax functions the exact same way, slightly differently.
[02:10:16]  Slightly differently, in a way that I essentially am saying I have preference for.
[02:10:20]  Like you can be opposed to land value tax, but I think it's a better tax.
[02:10:23]  If you have 50 acres and we say we're not taxing the development, so we're not going to consider the structures as per the value of that land, right?
[02:10:30]  Right.
[02:10:30]  Yeah.
[02:10:30]  It's going to be like spaces and stuff.
[02:10:32]  Then I build a like aluminum plant, which brings 500 jobs and people start developing around my acreage.
[02:10:41]  They set up a coffee shop.
[02:10:42]  They set up a bank.
[02:10:43]  Neither of them of a small town from this refinery.
[02:10:46]  That refinery and development did increase the value of the land it sits on.
[02:10:50]  It won't be the same because the refinery is going to be worth tens of millions of dollars, but that land will go from 400,000 to 4 million overnight.
[02:10:56]  Yeah, and then it'll be more likely to be built into like a city later on.
[02:10:59]  I think that this, so again, your argument against this has to be all taxes are bad, right?
[02:11:03]  And I'm not for that.
[02:11:04]  No, no, it's that.
[02:11:07]  It's like a wealth tax or a property tax or a land value tax or like paying tax on the value of your car.
[02:11:14]  How do you tax land then?
[02:11:15]  How do you tax property?
[02:11:17]  You don't.
[02:11:18]  So just no taxes?
[02:11:19]  You can pay sales tax.
[02:11:21]  You can pay income tax.
[02:11:22]  But the point is.
[02:11:24]  So just never move.
[02:11:25]  Never move.
[02:11:26]  What does that mean?
[02:11:26]  Nerve.
[02:11:27]  Well, your incentive in that place, if all we tax is like sales, for example, then everyone is going to be incentivized to just keep property in the land.
[02:11:35]  We're going to have extremely low mobility.
[02:11:37]  Is your argument that we should create a system by which people can lose their land to the government to incentivize them to sell it off?
[02:11:45]  Usually.
[02:11:46]  Oh, right.
[02:11:46]  The government put a gun to your head and said, do it or go to jail so they sell their property.
[02:11:51]  Will you go to jail if you don't pay your taxes?
[02:11:53]  I think eventually, but like very rarely.
[02:11:55]  It's very rarely that like in cases where people refuse to take.
[02:11:58]  Will they seize your property if you don't pay taxes?
[02:12:00]  Up to a certain point.
[02:12:01]  They won't take it free.
[02:12:02]  So when you tax someone's property, and they've inherited the land, I can't tell you how I bought a piece of land that was for pennies in the dollar.
[02:12:09]  It was inherited by the family that owned it.
[02:12:12]  And they were like, we don't make money that can afford the taxes on this place.
[02:12:15]  Sure, but I'm in favor of some taxes, right?
[02:12:17]  I'm obviously in favor of taxes.
[02:12:18]  No, but when you tax someone's land, you're basically saying there will be no generational wealth.
[02:12:22]  Well, arguably, what you're saying is that while generational wealth will be maintained, but there will be no housing development ever at any time, because if you sell things off, you lose money.
[02:12:31]  Yeah, because if you if you are the person arguing that.
[02:12:34]  No, I'm not saying that.
[02:12:36]  If a housing development emerges around dead acreage, that acreage becomes worth more money.
[02:12:41]  If you only get taxed on what you sell, which is your model, then you're never incentivized to ever sell, right?
[02:12:47]  You are.
[02:12:48]  Why would you ever sell if that's the time you're going to get taxed on it?
[02:12:50]  Well, if someone inherits a piece of property and says, I don't want to live in West Virginia, so they sell it.
[02:12:54]  Why don't you just rent it?
[02:12:54]  And they retain the...
[02:12:55]  You certainly could, but...
[02:12:57]  Yeah, that's what most people would probably do is we would end up in major landowners.
[02:13:00]  I was going to say this.
[02:13:01]  I don't think you have any experience with rental markets or how that system works because most people don't want to do it.
[02:13:07]  I have a decent amount and I understand that a lot of people are going to be able to do it.
[02:13:09]  Environmental properties?
[02:13:10]  No, my, one of my close family projects.
[02:13:12]  It's miserable.
[02:13:12]  No and and everyone's advocating against it.
[02:13:15]  You've got uh Mikey Taylor, shout out to Mikey Taylor, who's a real estate developer saying, You don't want to own, you don't want to rent, you want to be a renter.
[02:13:23]  Sort of one of the largest contributors to American GDP, so we are definitely renting, and there is definitely incentive to agglomerations.
[02:13:32]  What I'm saying is that we have two different tax systems.
[02:13:34]  I'm taxing either way.
[02:13:36]  I think my system works, and I'm fine with people selling off their property because suddenly grandpa's property from 300 years ago is worth $17 million, and then they can go buy a farm and probably buy six times the land.
[02:13:48]  Yes, I think that that's a better system.
[02:13:49]  Although, yeah, whatever it's going to be in favor of it, sell it off.
[02:13:52]  Huh?
[02:13:52]  The government forcing it is forced.
[02:13:55]  How is it not force?
[02:13:56]  It's not forcing because you could choose to default on your own.
[02:13:59]  But that's great.
[02:14:00]  And then they'll seize your land because you're not going to be able to do that.
[02:14:02]  In this case, you're saying the government's forcing you to never move.
[02:14:04]  What do you mean they're forcing it everyone?
[02:14:06]  You choose it to move if you want to move if you don't.
[02:14:07]  You choose to sell if you don't want to sell.
[02:14:09]  If the government tells you, pay this bill or we will take your land from you.
[02:14:13]  If the government says if you sell this thing, we will take a bunch of your money.
[02:14:16]  That's force.
[02:14:16]  That's sales tax.
[02:14:18]  Mine's property tax.
[02:14:19]  And you can still sell a property and retain the majority of the value you have on it without ever having to parcel it away.
[02:14:24]  So, yes, you can literally say, I don't want to sell my land and keep it.
[02:14:27]  And if you decide to sell it to move on, then you pay a tax.
[02:14:30]  Fine.
[02:14:30]  So nobody will ever sell.
[02:14:32]  No, some people will.
[02:14:33]  Very people won't.
[02:14:34]  They'll retain the value.
[02:14:35]  You're right.
[02:14:35]  Most people won't become rentals.
[02:14:38]  Won't turn into rentals.
[02:14:39]  And most people who inherit property from their parents sell it because they don't want to live in those areas.
[02:14:45]  So here's the issue.
[02:14:46]  I'm not a libertarian.
[02:14:46]  Yes.
[02:14:47]  I think the government is allowed to do some level of coercion.
[02:14:49]  And I think while you might not like this, I think my idea of land value tax is a better tax system than property taxes.
[02:14:55]  But yes, I do want taxation on land to some degree.
[02:14:58]  I think it's a valuable thing for municipalities.
[02:15:01]  We're going to go to the Rumble on censorship portion of the show over at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL.
[02:15:06]  Matthew, do you want to shout anything out?
[02:15:08]  Just Matthew D. Marsden on YouTube and on all the socials.
[02:15:12]  Yeah.
[02:15:12]  Right on.
[02:15:13]  Yeah.
[02:15:14]  Not so erudite everywhere.
[02:15:16]  You could do like, oh, I'm eating Crossland if you need it.
[02:15:18]  If you didn't know, you tax their property, but if they rent out their property, you stop taxing them while they're renting, as long as they're a renter.
[02:15:26]  But anyway, I was going to shove that in during the show.
[02:15:27]  I didn't have a chance because it was so good.
[02:15:29]  Catch us on Rumble.
[02:15:31]  See you there.
[02:15:32]  Carter.
[02:15:33]  Carter Banks.
[02:15:34]  Yes.
[02:15:34]  Damn, looking forward to the after show.
[02:15:36]  Let's get into it.
[02:15:36]  I guess we're technically still on the show.
[02:15:38]  We'll see you guys at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL.
[02:15:41]  And it'll be the same conversation but with swear words.
[02:15:43]  Thanks for hanging out.
[02:16:24]  So just before the camera switch back on, Kyle, you were explaining how you were a communist.
[02:16:29]  Yes.
[02:16:30]  So I'm a communist because I think that we live in a society, which means that we have to pay taxes.
[02:16:34]  Imagine that, right?
[02:16:36]  If you're principally against all taxes, that's fine.
[02:16:38]  No, I'm not a communist.
[02:16:41]  All taxes are communism.
[02:16:44]  No, I'm actually somewhat in favor of the progressive tax system to a certain degree.
[02:16:49]  I think the brackets need to be massive.
[02:16:51]  I think they agree with that actually very strongly.

=== Ultra Elite Property Reality Check (13:24) ===

[02:16:56]  There's a series of problems.
[02:16:58]  Most people don't make income over like a couple million dollars.
[02:17:02]  Correct.
[02:17:02]  Like Elon Musk doesn't, Bezos doesn't.
[02:17:05]  I think Bezos, his income is a million dollars a year.
[02:17:10]  And he's probably got, that's income, that's like salary income.
[02:17:15]  And then he's probably got capital gains and things like that.
[02:17:17]  But Andrew Tate was talking about a very clever system, a very, very well-known system of avoiding paying income tax for high net worth and high-profile individuals.
[02:17:26]  And that is he creates a corporation in the Cayman Islands that owns the rights to his likeness and his image.
[02:17:34]  And he has to pay a fee to publish his name and image to the Cayman Islands.
[02:17:39]  So he says he's exaggerating the numbers.
[02:17:42]  He's like, if I make $50 million, I got to pay a $50 million fee, which obviously would not work tax-wise.
[02:17:47]  There needs to be a predetermined fee before.
[02:17:50]  But so one of the most common things they'll do is people will set a company that owns the intellectual property to develop.
[02:17:57]  When their company uses it, they'll have a set fee of $10 million per year, which is a static fee that is unchanging.
[02:18:03]  And then they'll say, well, we made $13 million this year, but I got to pay a $10 million fee, which goes to the business in the Cayman Islands, which takes that income, doesn't pay taxes on it.
[02:18:11]  There's another trick that people do.
[02:18:13]  And this is, again, the reason why I largely just don't think taxes work is there is no function by which you can ever actually tax somebody.
[02:18:20]  So right now, there's something, there's new trusts available in Delaware.
[02:18:23]  They're relatively new.
[02:18:25]  And the way it works is wealthy people pay $5,000 a year to maintain this trust that holds their assets.
[02:18:30]  Here's a little-known secret for most people.
[02:18:33]  If I have a million dollars, I put it in a trust.
[02:18:37]  I've paid tax on that million dollars.
[02:18:38]  It's clean, good to go.
[02:18:40]  The trust uses that million dollars to buy a $1 million house.
[02:18:45]  That house is in the name of the trust.
[02:18:47]  A year later, the house is now worth $1.5 million.
[02:18:51]  Taxes are paid, insurance is paid.
[02:18:53]  The trust then sells the house for $1.5 million.
[02:18:57]  The trust does not pay taxes because no entity took in income.
[02:19:03]  The trust is not a taxable entity.
[02:19:05]  So the $1.5 is still considered in an investment.
[02:19:09]  It can then invest that $1.5 million into the market, a year later, make $1 million and be worth $2.5, sell all those assets for cash, have $2.5 million in cash and not be taxed because it is not a tax-paying entity.
[02:19:22]  And that's what most people do with these Delaware trusts.
[02:19:25]  So when people are like, we're going to tax it or tax that, what they're really saying is we're going to create barriers by which working class people who may be on the cusp of becoming upper class will be constrained.
[02:19:35]  So when you say like the highest tax bracket is $250,000, the important thing to understand is if an individual makes $250,000 a year, they're living comfortably.
[02:19:45]  The estimate is that you need about $150,000 on average in the United States so that you have everything taken care of.
[02:19:49]  You got two weeks vacation.
[02:19:50]  You can afford to have a family.
[02:19:51]  You've got healthcare.
[02:19:52]  And then you got $100,000 per year.
[02:19:55]  Well, let's stop.
[02:19:56]  With $250,000, you're going to be paying about 37% in taxes.
[02:20:01]  So you're going to have roughly like $175K after the fact.
[02:20:03]  Or maybe like, what are you going to be?
[02:20:05]  $150,000, maybe?
[02:20:07]  And so you're just about breaking even.
[02:20:09]  If your taxes, you're living comfortably.
[02:20:11]  Let's say you're at $275K, so now you've got about $1020,000 that you can realistically just put in investments.
[02:20:17]  Those investments are slow growing.
[02:20:18]  I mean, putting $17K per year in a 401k is something massive, way better than most people.
[02:20:23]  Now, let's say you make $13 million per year.
[02:20:26]  Use $150,000 to live comfortably, and then you've got $12,850,000 to literally invest wherever you want in whatever you want and just grow money rapidly.
[02:20:38]  But you are paying the same tax rate.
[02:20:40]  Worse, the access money is being funneled through trusts or the Cayman Islands or whatever it is.
[02:20:45]  So you're probably not paying anything on that.
[02:20:47]  The taxes that they're putting in place the way they are target individuals who are just, here's the way I view it.
[02:20:54]  I think the system is designed and increasingly being designed so that there is the working bracket and you will have the impoverished and then you will have the upper class.
[02:21:04]  There will be people who pretend to be rich, who feel like they're rich because they make a couple hundred thousand dollars per year.
[02:21:09]  Then there are going to be the ultra-wealthy, the people who are making maybe like 10 plus million per year who have blasted off and broken orbit, and you will never catch them.
[02:21:16]  There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop them.
[02:21:19]  You go to Elon Musk and say, we want to tax you, he'll say, hey, China.
[02:21:22]  And China's going to be like, anything you want, brother.
[02:21:24]  We will give you a palace if you bring your companies to us.
[02:21:27]  You give us SpaceX, it's yours.
[02:21:29]  There is nothing you can do to catch these people.
[02:21:31]  The world that's being created is the base peasant class, which does have its wealthy merchant types.
[02:21:39]  And then there's going to be ultra-elite global class that can escape and go wherever they want, no matter what.
[02:21:44]  It's been like that kind of forever with the interesting system as well as getting worse.
[02:21:48]  It used to be like feudalism in the royals, and the common men had no opportunity to eschew their lot in life and become wealthy.
[02:21:55]  It just didn't literally was by design impossible.
[02:21:58]  Now, with capitalism, we're like, no, now you have a chance.
[02:22:00]  Now you can get fucking rich.
[02:22:02]  Except they still have these barriers.
[02:22:04]  Like obviously Kanye wanted to go up to the next level of billionaire class.
[02:22:07]  They're like, no, you ain't one of us, bro.
[02:22:09]  Or like people don't understand trusts and the way that you can bypass taxes.
[02:22:13]  So they get constantly booted down to stay at that like mega rich.
[02:22:17]  You know, they don't want to, but it's still that, there's still these like feudalistic impulses in place.
[02:22:25]  Yeah, I mean, we have a situation right now where it seems like what you're saying is we have capital owners who can bend the financial reality at whim.
[02:22:32]  And these upper caste members will always bend reality in their favor.
[02:22:37]  Can't do anything about it.
[02:22:38]  You can't do anything about it.
[02:22:40]  Any proposal you make is simply countered by China will open up its arms in two seconds.
[02:22:45]  I think to say you can't do anything leads to terrorism.
[02:22:48]  That's the problem is that people, when they come very, they'll try and blow it up if they think there's zero.
[02:22:53]  You can get the system to break itself from inside.
[02:22:55]  That doesn't change the fact that China will open its arms.
[02:22:57]  Yeah, like you try and tax a corporation, it goes overseas.
[02:23:00]  If you really are trying to tax space, I mean, they'll say fuck you and go land on the moon.
[02:23:04]  That's Elon's plan.
[02:23:06]  The moon base is going to be the HQ for SpaceX.
[02:23:08]  I'll pay no taxes.
[02:23:11]  But I'm also assuming you're not anti-capitalist either.
[02:23:14]  I love capitalism.
[02:23:15]  So how do you strike the, because what we're talking about right now is like kind of the criticism of late-stage capitalism.
[02:23:21]  And I'm not saying that you're incorrect about any of this necessarily, but what is the answer here in this late-stage capitalism?
[02:23:28]  If we are pro-capitalist, there isn't an answer.
[02:23:29]  We just like let the rich people drag us to hell.
[02:23:31]  Well, no, no, no.
[02:23:33]  I think what humans need to understand is that there is nothing you can do to defeat someone who is smarter than you.
[02:23:41]  David Goggins would disagree.
[02:23:43]  And I agree with David Goggins.
[02:23:46]  I understand that nothing is absolute.
[02:23:48]  My point is, the collective machinations of humanity is not going to stop the smartest individual.
[02:23:58]  No matter what barriers you put in place, they will figure it out.
[02:24:01]  Like people are crazy.
[02:24:03]  The only thing I think that will limit them is morality, don't you think?
[02:24:08]  Because you can be very smart.
[02:24:09]  And then if your actions create a negative ripple effect, one of the challenges is that at the highest levels of intelligence, you start to get like I think there's a reason there's a correlation between like sociopathy and like high IQ people.
[02:24:29]  Because when you start to ask deep philosophical questions and entertain higher ordered thinking, so like the highest order of thinking is contemplating like multiversal phenomena and like things like that, it minimizes the human experience to a great deal.
[02:24:44]  The people who can't comprehend like the higher levels of the universe or whatever, higher order thinking, they're living in a very human visceral plane.
[02:24:55]  They understand the human experience and that's what they live in and they deeply care about it.
[02:24:59]  The smarter a person gets, the more robotic they get because they start to look at the needs and wants of humans as minimal.
[02:25:08]  And then there's certainly people who have deep philosophical understandings.
[02:25:11]  Like a good example is just like how we, how we, how we envisioned Dr. Manhattan and Watchmen, are you familiar?
[02:25:16]  Yeah, his statement about having witnessed things so small they could not even be have not even have said to happen at all or whatever, whatever the quote is.
[02:25:28]  And he can see forward and backward in time.
[02:25:30]  So he just doesn't care about humans at all.
[02:25:34]  This is a perception of the smartest people.
[02:25:38]  You know, like one way I can phrase it in a way that like reduces it is, imagine you were going to work and everyone at your work was seven years old and they were complaining about the, there's not, there's not cookies in the refrigerator.
[02:25:53]  And you're sitting there going like, guys, if we don't get the generator ring again, the press is not going to work and we're not going to sell products.
[02:26:00]  And they're all banging their hands on the table being like, what don't you get about the cookies being missing?
[02:26:04]  This is the perception that the ultra elite high, I'm not saying every ultra elite is high intelligence.
[02:26:08]  Some are dumb as shit.
[02:26:10]  But there are a lot of ultra high intelligence people who hear you talking about things like property taxes and they're just like, they're like, what don't you understand about like, you know, like the exponential expansion of the human population and the lack of resources if we do not accommodate.
[02:26:28]  And then you're sitting there being like, look, man, I'm just trying to get gas to go to work.
[02:26:33]  So while the average person is concerned with these low, like base level things, whether they're intelligent or not, highly intelligent people are looking down at the being like, I'm much more concerned with like the plasma fuel injectors for the new ship that's going to put humanity on other planets.
[02:26:52]  So but you think there's a philosophical element to that as well, though, because we're talking mainly just about science.
[02:26:59]  Absolutely.
[02:27:00]  And one great example of what you bring up is there was this great debate that I saw where this very intelligent woman was talking about Agrippa's trilemma and this other guy just didn't understand what it was.
[02:27:11]  And it's frustrating.
[02:27:12]  I'm kidding, by the way, that was Kyla Debane and Andrew Wilson.
[02:27:14]  He did not understand it.
[02:27:15]  That is true.
[02:27:16]  And understanding Agrippa's trilemma, by the way.
[02:27:19]  Indeed.
[02:27:20]  And understanding Agrippa's trilemma is important in reaching a higher order of thinking.
[02:27:26]  Andrew, I'm just kidding.
[02:27:28]  Sorry.
[02:27:28]  Well, the point I'm making is that the highest level of philosophical debate get to the point where they're all nihilists, complete nihilists.
[02:27:38]  They just, there's low-tier nihilism, I would describe it, where you get like a lot of lefty activists where they're just like, nothing matters, so who cares?
[02:27:46]  And at the highest levels, you get these people who are like, nothing matters but what I decide.
[02:27:51]  And those people are building spaceships and building factories and nuclear submarines or autonomous drones with lasers on them.
[02:27:59]  Like the stuff that Andarilla's building, like that AI-powered night vision headset that can track human beings behind buildings, fucking insane.
[02:28:08]  These are people who are just like, they see the world differently and they bend it to their whim.
[02:28:14]  There is no law you will pass that will stop them.
[02:28:16]  It's not possible.
[02:28:17]  So I guess I'm curious, do you, and I'm not saying that you're a communist and I'm not saying I'm a communist or a Marxist, but Marx often levies a lot of these criticisms of capitalism.
[02:28:26]  It just seems like for you, maybe what's different between you and Marx is that you think these hierarchies can't be flattened.
[02:28:32]  They can't be reduced.
[02:28:34]  Whereas Marx's solution to these problems that you're outlining is to flatten hierarchies.
[02:28:39]  You can't.
[02:28:40]  So I guess I don't think you can ever perfectly solve the world.
[02:28:43]  But I think what you're advocating for is this type of kind of intellectual nihilism that I don't think is pointing out what it is.
[02:28:52]  I'm not advocating for it.
[02:28:53]  You're saying that it's an inevitability.
[02:28:55]  And I think like one of the most, I think it's a fact if you act as though it must be, right?
[02:29:00]  I think one of the most important things that I learn in philosophy that I love about philosophy is that the future isn't set, right?
[02:29:08]  I think one of the ways in which we have lifted more humans out of poverty, we have maximized on these kind of Machiavelli geniuses is to convince these people and people like them and some of our base instincts to uplift humans towards the best conditions we've ever seen in human history.
[02:29:27]  People are living longer, right?
[02:29:29]  There is less poverty.
[02:29:30]  There's less hunger.
[02:29:31]  There's less child death.
[02:29:33]  There are many problems with the world.
[02:29:35]  I have an idea.
[02:29:35]  Yes.
[02:29:36]  We should get 100 random people to play a game of chess against Magnus Carlson by vote.
[02:29:42]  Like, that's not even a joke.
[02:29:43]  I'd be really interested to see if this could work if you took like 100 random chess players of various ELO and they would convene and then they would have like three minutes to come to a decision.
[02:29:55]  Three weeks long.
[02:29:56]  Yeah.
[02:29:56]  That's a really, I've never picked the move at once and then the vote would tally in the move that got the most votes.
[02:30:02]  They would do individually.
[02:30:04]  They could go for three weeks.
[02:30:05]  They would be a conversation quickly where they'd be like, everyone, plug in your votes on the move that you think we should make.
[02:30:09]  And then they would be like, whichever move gets the most vote.
[02:30:11]  That's a fun team game.
[02:30:11]  We'll discuss.
[02:30:13]  And then I think it would be great if it was like average chess players.
[02:30:19]  Like you obviously put a grandmaster in, guys, I'm a grandmaster.

=== Random Chess Players Vote Magnus (03:27) ===

[02:30:21]  Let me handle this.
[02:30:22]  They'll say, sure.
[02:30:23]  The point I'm curious is, can a decentralized group of average people defeat the best?
[02:30:28]  If you can defer your vote to one among you, then yes.
[02:30:31]  You can do whatever you want.
[02:30:32]  Because if I was one of the hundred and I'm like, I think Tim knows the game better than me and I think everyone else would all get to vote to Tim because he can beat Magnus one-on-one.
[02:30:39]  And that's maybe.
[02:30:40]  That's why I said there will be grandmasters.
[02:30:41]  It'll be average players.
[02:30:42]  But if you force people to vote, the idiots will drag you down and you will lose to the grandmaster.
[02:30:46]  Well, you're talking about representative democracy, right?
[02:30:48]  The point I'm bringing up is potentially.
[02:30:50]  Not necessarily potentially.
[02:30:52]  The point I'm bringing up is that I explain to people all the time that it's extremely easy to manipulate a human being.
[02:31:00]  And I love this.
[02:31:01]  I have this trick that I do where I will tell someone, I can make you say a sentence.
[02:31:06]  I can make you say it.
[02:31:08]  And there's a couple of, there's a bunch of really funny rudimentary tricks.
[02:31:11]  It's a basic magician trick.
[02:31:12]  I can make you say, yeah, but not me, though, or something to that effect.
[02:31:16]  And then everybody goes, try me.
[02:31:20]  And then I explain the basic functions of social engineering over a period of two minutes, to which after I explain the basics are rapport extreme turn.
[02:31:29]  This is how you manipulate someone.
[02:31:30]  This is one-on-one, right?
[02:31:32]  You get more in-depth schooling on this one.
[02:31:33]  You can learn out more.
[02:31:34]  The first thing you got to do is rapport.
[02:31:35]  Rapport means you can only convince a person you are.
[02:31:38]  If you go to a businessman wearing a suit and you're Ian, he's not going to listen to you.
[02:31:42]  It's going to be very difficult.
[02:31:43]  The first thing you have to do is approach them as a friend.
[02:31:45]  Otherwise, they're going to have defense barriers.
[02:31:47]  The second thing you do is called the extreme.
[02:31:49]  So for example, what you would do is you meet someone who likes Obama.
[02:31:53]  So you say, hey, what do you think about Obama?
[02:31:56]  And they go, I love him.
[02:31:57]  He was the best president ever.
[02:31:58]  Step one.
[02:31:59]  True.
[02:31:59]  Rapport.
[02:32:00]  Oh, thank God.
[02:32:01]  I am so sick of these maggots.
[02:32:03]  Can't we bring Obama back?
[02:32:05]  He was the best president we have ever had.
[02:32:07]  Don't you agree?
[02:32:08]  Yes.
[02:32:08]  High five.
[02:32:09]  You are friends.
[02:32:10]  We trust each other.
[02:32:11]  You know what I really love about Obama?
[02:32:13]  Like, I'm just going to say it.
[02:32:15]  Maybe a little controversial, but he was willing to do what needed to be done, even if he blew up children.
[02:32:23]  And I know that sounds harsh, but when you're dealing with these fucking Muslim terrorists that are willing to kill women and children, I say, turn them to fucking glass.
[02:32:32]  Now, any liberal is going to say, fuck no, right?
[02:32:36]  Well, it depends on which hawkish liberal.
[02:32:39]  Killer Clinton, I like it.
[02:32:40]  Agreed.
[02:32:40]  But the average liberal in a city is going to go like, oh, my God.
[02:32:44]  Like no.
[02:32:45]  And then when they reject that, that's called the extreme.
[02:32:47]  You give them what's called the turn.
[02:32:48]  And that's where you go, okay, maybe it's a little much.
[02:32:52]  I guess you're right.
[02:32:53]  Like, Obama wasn't perfect, but I still really like him, right?
[02:32:56]  What you've done is you've made them the anti-Obama person.
[02:33:00]  You are so fervent for Obama, you like even the things that people think are bad.
[02:33:03]  They then give you the counter.
[02:33:05]  You give them an extreme they cannot accept.
[02:33:07]  And when they say no, you say, I guess you were right the whole time.
[02:33:11]  Obama's not perfect, but I still like him.
[02:33:14]  In their mind, they have just come out criticizing Obama.
[02:33:18]  That's 101.
[02:33:19]  That's the most rudimentary of manipulations.
[02:33:21]  So then when I tell a person this, they always respond with, I get it, but not me, though.
[02:33:27]  And then I say, What did I tell you I was going to make you say?
[02:33:29]  And they go, Oh my God.
[02:33:32]  Because people don't understand that if manipulation wasn't possible, Coca-Cola would not buy ads.
[02:33:38]  We are all, including myself, easily manipulated, easily manipulated.
[02:33:42]  There's a bunch of advanced stages beyond that that if you're into sales and stuff like this, you're going to learn all these tactics.

=== Poker Bluffs and Emotional Detachment (07:53) ===

[02:33:48]  But I will just put it simply: you can ban wealth.
[02:33:52]  You can literally say no one is allowed to legally have more than $1,000 in their bank account, and there will be a guy who is worth $7 trillion.
[02:34:00]  You can create any system you want.
[02:34:03]  You will not, you are not smart enough to beat someone smarter than you.
[02:34:06]  And there are going to be cream of the crop, ultra high-end, especially with 8 billion people who are so smart, they will manufacture a system and you can't stop them.
[02:34:15]  And maybe that system is, they have 100 employees who hide diamonds in various markers in the desert.
[02:34:21]  So they know where all of their wealth is, but it's not visible in the system and no one can find it.
[02:34:26]  And if they ever need to move large amounts of wealth, they have a network to do it.
[02:34:28]  You can make up a million and one ways they do it.
[02:34:30]  I have a question for you.
[02:34:31]  Yes.
[02:34:32]  So you mentioned the higher the IQ, basically the smarter a person is, the kind of more detached they are from, you said like from emotions.
[02:34:42]  Kind of, right?
[02:34:43]  Like baser human experience, the higher orders of thinking.
[02:34:48]  So if you're talking about that kind of manipulation, are they less susceptible to that?
[02:34:52]  Or does it have to be, does it have to happen in a different way?
[02:34:55]  Because you're kind of talking about playing on emotions, right?
[02:34:59]  Because that's a susceptible thing.
[02:35:01]  They are as susceptible as any other human, but you'll approach them differently.
[02:35:07]  How would you do that with someone who is, you know, like an Elon?
[02:35:11]  And I wouldn't know Elon specifically, but what I would say is the easier way to explain it is how do you beat Magnus Carlson at chess?
[02:35:18]  Right.
[02:35:19]  Is it possible to beat him at chess?
[02:35:20]  Of course it is.
[02:35:22]  Any one of our supercomputers can do it.
[02:35:24]  Now, you trying to navigate what you need to do and say and figure out this person is going to get increasingly more difficult.
[02:35:30]  And it's not even about necessarily intelligence.
[02:35:32]  It's about passion, aggression, their behaviors.
[02:35:36]  I'd actually be less worried about Elon Musk and more worried about a meathead who's hopped up on testosterone.
[02:35:41]  He's going to be angry with you no matter what and just tell you you're wrong for the sake of being wrong.
[02:35:44]  Like, just I'm going to argue with you no matter what no matter what you say.
[02:35:46]  Which is crazy when people do that kind of shit.
[02:35:48]  To be fair, though, there are still pretty easy ways to manipulate people who are like that.
[02:35:52]  For one example, one example, one example I call bugs bunnying, when someone is clearly just arguing for the sake of arguing, you do a little dance and you can slowly ask questions and shift your positions until they're arguing the opposite side.
[02:36:07]  Not to prove them wrong because they'll still think they're right, but to show people they weren't actually arguing with in the first place.
[02:36:12]  I'm just wondering if there's a way, like, is there that kind of hubris when you get that smart that you think that you're smarter than everybody else?
[02:36:19]  So therefore that is a weakness.
[02:36:21]  I disagree.
[02:36:22]  I don't think so.
[02:36:23]  I think it is.
[02:36:24]  I think as the quote is, the ignorant are confident and the wise are so full of doubt.
[02:36:30]  You don't, you don't.
[02:36:32]  But wise doesn't mean high IQ.
[02:36:34]  Wise, what?
[02:36:34]  Wise isn't high IQ, right?
[02:36:36]  We kind of got to decide if intelligence are different.
[02:36:38]  But to a certain degree, like there is a correlation, right?
[02:36:42]  Knowledge and wisdom are different.
[02:36:44]  But wise typically implies your ability to comprehend cross reasoning, right?
[02:36:50]  Are you familiar with Julie Galif?
[02:36:51]  I think you'd find her interesting.
[02:36:52]  Have you heard of the graph of doom?
[02:36:54]  No.
[02:36:54]  Okay.
[02:36:55]  That's very nihilistic for you.
[02:36:56]  So what you basically have is people's level of scientific literacy and then their confidence and position on something controversial like climate change.
[02:37:05]  And what you'll notice is that the more scientifically literate the person is, depending on if they are pro-climate change or anti-climate change, their confidence in their position only decreases.
[02:37:16]  It actually increases.
[02:37:18]  It increases.
[02:37:20]  Right?
[02:37:20]  They think they're more right in their rightness.
[02:37:22]  Well, I would imagine that's a valley or that's a bell curve, right?
[02:37:26]  No, no, no, no.
[02:37:26]  It's not.
[02:37:27]  That's why it's the graph of doom, right?
[02:37:28]  It's this idea.
[02:37:29]  Because she's pointing out that they're all retarded.
[02:37:30]  No, it's the idea that good quality thinking has less to do with how much information.
[02:37:36]  This is why people like getting mad at me, like fact-checking you, where if anyone ever gets mad at you, like fact-checking them.
[02:37:40]  It's like, what makes you a quality thinker isn't having eight bajillion facts at your fingertips.
[02:37:47]  It's your capacity to wield them effectively and intelligently.
[02:37:51]  It's your ability to look for counterfactuals and try to search for where you're wrong.
[02:37:56]  The ultimate test, I would say, is ask someone if they're good at poker.
[02:38:03]  I'm trash at poker.
[02:38:06]  Professionals will probably tell you, yeah, I'm good.
[02:38:10]  I'm a pro, right?
[02:38:10]  It's like, are you the best?
[02:38:11]  They'll be like, no.
[02:38:12]  I know some of the best poker players in the world, and they'll say, I am not, you know, like we had Daniel McGrano on, and he's my, I'm like, this guy's my favorite.
[02:38:20]  I love watching his videos.
[02:38:21]  The best speech play.
[02:38:22]  He reads people like a boss.
[02:38:23]  He's the best.
[02:38:24]  He goes, I'm not.
[02:38:25]  I'm not the best.
[02:38:28]  I use an example because poker is the perfect, perfect, whatever you want to call it, game or whatever.
[02:38:34]  Because regular, poker only exists because stupid people think they're smart.
[02:38:42]  It's not even a joke.
[02:38:44]  When you're the highest level of advanced poker player, of which I am nowhere near, and you've got what's called game theory optimal mapped in your mind, you know how to play exploitative, all of these things.
[02:38:56]  There are strategies in poker that are like mathematically, like I'm still trying to grasp.
[02:39:00]  It's brilliant stuff.
[02:39:01]  And I'm talking about specifically Texas Holden.
[02:39:04]  If I play against a low-stakes player at 1-3 at my current level, because I've been coached by some pros, I've sought out to improve myself.
[02:39:13]  It is mind-blowing to me, but I totally understand it.
[02:39:16]  There are people who make the stupidest mistakes.
[02:39:20]  They all do it 99%, play poorly, refuse to study, refuse to learn, and then say, I'm a good player.
[02:39:27]  And I'm like, wow, you're losing money.
[02:39:31]  You don't understand how to play, and you think you're good at this.
[02:39:34]  What's that metric for being good?
[02:39:36]  Like, isn't losing money bad?
[02:39:39]  Well, not always.
[02:39:41]  You make them think you're shitty at the game, and then next time you play him, you dominate.
[02:39:44]  eventually there's a so there is a i mean eventually there there there is uh in poker you can if you if you're um if you're playing table images is something that that matters depending on online it's very different but it still exists If you're it's strategy and how you appear.
[02:40:02]  So I was playing at MGM and three hands in a row, I got what are called premiums.
[02:40:06]  So I got Ace King suited.
[02:40:07]  Fuck yes.
[02:40:08]  I raise, get a call, flop comes out, I hit a king, I bet, they fold, they're pissed off.
[02:40:14]  Next hand comes, I have Jacks, another premium hand, like fourth best hand.
[02:40:18]  And so I make a bet.
[02:40:19]  Everybody calls, the flop comes out, it's nine, seven deuce, rainbow, meaning my jacks are good, most likely.
[02:40:25]  I make a bet, dude folds.
[02:40:27]  Maybe, you know, it's not always the right move to make a bet, but sometimes your hand needs protection.
[02:40:30]  I'll get into the advanced strategy in a second if we need to.
[02:40:32]  And then this dude starts getting mad, being like, the dude's raising nonstop, and he's betting everything.
[02:40:36]  He can't have it.
[02:40:38]  This literally happened.
[02:40:39]  I got Jacks again.
[02:40:41]  I make a bet.
[02:40:43]  And then the dude calls, and the flop comes out with a jack, which gives me what's called a set, three of a kind.
[02:40:49]  And now I'm real fucking happy.
[02:40:50]  There are no draws.
[02:40:52]  I have what's called at the time the nuts, the strongest possible hand, and I make a bet.
[02:40:56]  And then he says, oh, you got it again, did you?
[02:40:58]  So he calls this time.
[02:41:00]  And then I said, or you're walking into a trap because I'm playing straight up and I got good hands and you are too arrogant to think you're wrong.
[02:41:07]  And he lost all his money.
[02:41:08]  He was like, you're bluffing.
[02:41:10]  Like, it is mine.
[02:41:11]  It's not possible that someone will get three hands in a row.
[02:41:13]  Therefore, you're lying to me.
[02:41:14]  I call and I said, I have the nuts.
[02:41:15]  And he's like, fuck.
[02:41:17]  So sometimes these things happen.
[02:41:20]  It doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad player.
[02:41:22]  But what I will stress is all good players sometimes lose.
[02:41:26]  Good players, typically on average, we track what's called big blinds per hour.
[02:41:30]  Bad players will go to a casino or they'll go to a poker room.
[02:41:34]  They'll win a hundred bucks and go, I'm pretty good at this.
[02:41:37]  And then they'll come back and lose everything.
[02:41:39]  So I only bring that up one because I love poker and I'll always talk about it.

=== IQ Testing and Comprehension Skills (02:49) ===

[02:41:42]  But my point is the average person is absolute in their abilities.
[02:41:47]  They're smarter than you.
[02:41:48]  They know everything.
[02:41:48]  And they've never fucking Googled it.
[02:41:51]  You know what I mean?
[02:41:51]  It's so bizarre to me.
[02:41:52]  I mean, do you think that's something that people do across the board, though?
[02:41:57]  Yes.
[02:41:58]  You know what I mean?
[02:41:58]  Like, oh, I'll go to karaoke.
[02:42:00]  I'll have one good night singing.
[02:42:01]  And now I'm as good as Celine Dion or whatever.
[02:42:04]  It's a double sword because if you don't think you're good, you probably won't get good.
[02:42:09]  You have to believe in yourself.
[02:42:11]  But I disagree.
[02:42:12]  Other people will be like, he has delusions of grandeur.
[02:42:14]  And then 10 years later, you come back and they're like, I always believed in you.
[02:42:17]  I knew you could do it.
[02:42:18]  Michael Jordan famously would watch videos of him playing basketball.
[02:42:21]  And I told a story the other day.
[02:42:23]  I remember when I learned that when I was a kid, I was like, why would he watch, like, I was told, he watches videos of him playing so he can improve.
[02:42:31]  And I said, Michael Jordan doesn't need to improve.
[02:42:35]  And I was told, Michael Jordan doesn't need to improve because he watches videos of himself to make sure he's playing properly.
[02:42:42]  And that's why he's the best.
[02:42:43]  And I went, oh.
[02:42:46]  The people that think they're the best usually aren't.
[02:42:48]  Dude, when it comes to the same thing, we got to go.
[02:42:50]  I love the difference between intelligence and wisdom and like the intelligent able to memorize a lot of data and the wise knowing when to utilize those things.
[02:42:59]  Well, yeah, I actually make three.
[02:43:02]  So I'm actually a psychometrist by trade, so I do IQ testing.
[02:43:04]  That's what my background's in.
[02:43:05]  So I'm decently familiar with IQ.
[02:43:07]  So when I'm talking about IQ, I'm talking about generalized intelligence.
[02:43:10]  I just think like Marcus Aurelius is very wise, right?
[02:43:13]  Love the Stoics.
[02:43:16]  But I don't think we have good evidence that he had the highest IQ in the world because I think you can be incredibly adept at knowing how to think with a low IQ.
[02:43:25]  I think people with 80 IQ can outperform in like actually navigating the world.
[02:43:31]  That's why it's a quotient.
[02:43:33]  Some people have terrible reading comprehension, but they're autist with math.
[02:43:38]  Yeah, but that's not really what I, yes, but no.
[02:43:41]  That's like an anomaly.
[02:43:43]  When you're ADIQ, that means you're across all five indices, you're average.
[02:43:48]  Exactly, because you're mapping a bunch of different reasonings and comprehension skills a person might have.
[02:43:55]  Yeah. Yeah.
[02:43:55]  But when you have so in it, I don't know if we need to get into this.
[02:43:59]  I'm just being technical.
[02:44:00]  Maybe I'm just being, maybe I'm being autistic.
[02:44:02]  I might be being potentially.
[02:44:03]  Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, right?
[02:44:05]  When we look at IQ, we have five indices.
[02:44:07]  If you're 80, if we say your IQ is 80, that means all five indices are probably within two to four points of 80.
[02:44:13]  Right.
[02:44:14]  That's what that means.
[02:44:15]  What I'm saying is there are people who are like autistic and can solve a math problem in two seconds, but they're retarded.
[02:44:21]  There are people who, if you didn't know anything about them and you walked up to them and said, can you solve this puzzle?
[02:44:27]  And they go, you'd go, wow, this person's smart.
[02:44:30]  And then they go, and you're like, okay, they're not.

=== Cultural Bifurcation and Ballet Funding (04:46) ===

[02:44:32]  Right.
[02:44:32]  Yeah.
[02:44:32]  Autistics of sivants.
[02:44:34]  Like, that person's not smart.
[02:44:35]  Sure.
[02:44:36]  In fact, we can use IQ tests in part to diagnose things like learning disorders, Savante.
[02:44:40]  You ever see that video where the woman thinks she's the smartest person in the room and turns out she's the dumbest?
[02:44:44]  The Jubilee, I think, was a Jubilee.
[02:44:47]  Okay, we got Dr. Michael Beacon Retard III.
[02:44:50]  Fuck yeah, dude.
[02:44:51]  What's up, man?
[02:44:52]  Welcome to the show.
[02:44:55]  Hello.
[02:44:55]  Hi.
[02:44:56]  Thanks.
[02:44:56]  Howdy.
[02:44:57]  Thanks for having me on.
[02:45:00]  What up?
[02:45:01]  Let's get retarded, dude.
[02:45:03]  Top the door sound effects coming in.
[02:45:06]  Oh, yeah, that's my really old chair.
[02:45:11]  What's happening, man?
[02:45:12]  All right.
[02:45:13]  So, yeah, I just got to ask my question then.
[02:45:16]  So a question for the panel.
[02:45:18]  With the government recovering from years of spending our hard-earned tax dollars on things like making gay maps, do you think that the government should redirect that sort of money toward making pro-America and pro-traditional values entertainment instead?
[02:45:32]  Wait, one more time?
[02:45:33]  What do you mean?
[02:45:34]  Like the government should invest in content?
[02:45:37]  Yeah, like, you know, we've been for years, we've been spending it on things like, you know, gay comic books to Venezuela or whatever.
[02:45:44]  Oh, right, right, right, right.
[02:45:46]  Yeah, I don't know if I'd be a fan of the U.S. domestically funding ideological content like that.
[02:45:52]  Like we have Voice of America, and a lot of people point out that Obama legalized propaganda.
[02:45:56]  People need to understand that is externally outside the United States.
[02:46:00]  We create media organizations to push the American worldview, which then sometimes does recycle back into the United States.
[02:46:07]  I'm not a big fan of it.
[02:46:09]  I mean, I'm certainly not a fan of funding gay comics in Venezuela, you know.
[02:46:13]  I'm less interested in using the government to do stuff than I used to be.
[02:46:18]  It was a kind of a catch-all.
[02:46:19]  Here's how we can solve it.
[02:46:20]  We'll just, who the fuck are we, dude?
[02:46:22]  Like, I don't, you know, make your best stuff because you are the solution.
[02:46:26]  Okay.
[02:46:28]  Maybe we should just make being gay completely a crime, you know, like Iran.
[02:46:32]  Or get even more gay.
[02:46:33]  Trump can be the American Ayatollah.
[02:46:36]  I have a little bit of a different view to you guys than that.
[02:46:40]  Shocking.
[02:46:41]  I mean, I don't think the government should be involved in anything, right?
[02:46:44]  But anything.
[02:46:46]  Anything.
[02:46:46]  Staring everything.
[02:46:48]  Everything.
[02:46:48]  No, I just, I think the less the government is involved in your life, the better.
[02:46:53]  But I do think to a degree that there's been such a shift.
[02:46:57]  And certainly in the entertainment industry, like you can't go out and make, for the most part now, a movie or a television show that doesn't have some kind of agenda in it.
[02:47:07]  And I think that what it's done, and I'll look at this from someone who grew up loving America from the outside and the values that America projected around the world, they've been systematic, I think this is what the caller's talking about.
[02:47:21]  They've been systematically like destroyed over the past at least 30 years.
[02:47:25]  So I actually think all of our content always had an agenda.
[02:47:28]  It's just that when our culture was homogeneous, it was just reflecting our values.
[02:47:33]  And what we're seeing now with like, you know, what we would describe as woke content, that's the left reflecting their values and the right saying it doesn't reflect ours.
[02:47:42]  So when they said in Florida that like kids are being indoctrinated and they shouldn't be, you go to any conservative and say, should schools teach people about the greatness of America?
[02:47:50]  They'll say yes.
[02:47:51]  In fact, you go to Christian conservatives, say, should they have the Ten Commandments?
[02:47:54]  They'll say absolutely.
[02:47:55]  The left would call that indoctrination too.
[02:47:57]  The difference is that we have our culture has bifurcated.
[02:48:00]  That's the real issue.
[02:48:01]  I don't know how, like, if you want to say that the government, like we have control of the government, so we can fund programs in some way, either through like grants or like we create a special program where the government grants production companies.
[02:48:14]  The left is going to say that you're making fascist propaganda.
[02:48:17]  And you can argue that they're wrong.
[02:48:18]  It's really just two distinct cultures fighting each other.
[02:48:20]  I guess we were talking about funding the arts earlier.
[02:48:22]  And you were saying like ballet couldn't even exist without patronage.
[02:48:26]  Yeah, that's part of the issue.
[02:48:27]  I think that we're moving away from things that culturally kind of defined us to a degree, you know?
[02:48:37]  And I think that because there are certain things that are worth, they have intrinsic worth by themselves, right?
[02:48:43]  Because of the art history of it.
[02:48:45]  And I think that we're losing that.
[02:48:48]  We're losing that with ballet.
[02:48:50]  Like, for example, ballet Timothy Shalamay said something recently about ballet.
[02:48:54]  And what happened as a result was a lot of ballerinas and ballet dancers came out and said, listen, we couldn't do this without the patronage of the arts.
[02:49:02]  So I think that, you know, I think that it's not necessarily about putting out content with agenda.
[02:49:10]  It's just, I guess, putting out just something to even things up because everything is so far on one side right now.

=== Civilization Dying by Own Values (02:09) ===

[02:49:18]  There's nothing coming from the other side.
[02:49:21]  It's almost like we have to.
[02:49:22]  But that's a failure of the right.
[02:49:25]  100%.
[02:49:26]  I agree.
[02:49:28]  No, but I was going to say, but I hate to say it like this, but we're at the point where it's like, while we've got the reins, can we please try and do some of that?
[02:49:37]  Because I recommend that you watch Star Trek The Next Generation, which everyone agree with me.
[02:49:42]  There's an episode where there's a planet with a dying son.
[02:49:45]  Have you seen it?
[02:49:46]  Have you watched it?
[02:49:47]  No.
[02:49:47]  So something is wrong with you.
[02:49:49]  I'm not a star trackkeeper.
[02:49:51]  It's really good.
[02:49:51]  You need to be.
[02:49:52]  So there's a planet with a dying son.
[02:49:54]  And there's a scientist who's 59 years old.
[02:49:56]  And he believes he has a technique that could reignite their dying son.
[02:50:02]  However, in four days will be his 60th birthday, which is where he will be ritualistically killed.
[02:50:08]  His planet dealt with, as the technology advanced, the aging population was left uncared for, and it devastated their economy, caused a lot of problems.
[02:50:17]  And so they decided hundreds of years before that at the age of 60, they kill you.
[02:50:23]  And so he tries to save the sun from burning out, fails, and he thinks he's come up with a solution.
[02:50:29]  He needs to keep working.
[02:50:30]  He meets Deanna Troy's mother, and they, like his wife has long been dead.
[02:50:35]  And so they, you know, end up having a crush on each other.
[02:50:38]  And she's like, I can't believe you're going to die.
[02:50:40]  Don't do this.
[02:50:41]  You have everything to live for.
[02:50:42]  You're still alive and healthy.
[02:50:43]  And he explains it's his culture and what they believe.
[02:50:46]  And then she says, you know, she convinces him.
[02:50:49]  He calls the planet and he's like, I'm not going to return to die.
[02:50:52]  I'm going to continue my work.
[02:50:53]  And they say, no, someone else will do the work.
[02:50:56]  So he fails.
[02:50:57]  And then he decides ultimately he's going to go back and kill himself as per his society.
[02:51:03]  And Luwaksana Troy says to him, then why do you even care to reignite your son?
[02:51:09]  Because if you believe when it's your time, it's your time, then why not just let it die?
[02:51:13]  And that was kind of what convinced him.
[02:51:15]  Basically, it was an interesting juxtaposition in the show where this civilization should die by their own values.
[02:51:23]  They have aged to the point where they can no longer survive, so why bother trying to survive?

=== Powerful People Cannot Rape Away (09:31) ===

[02:51:27]  That's how they view it.
[02:51:28]  I bring this up because I take a look at what the American right has become.
[02:51:33]  It's fractured and for 70 years has been unwilling to sustain its own moral systems.
[02:51:38]  The left has grown increasingly.
[02:51:40]  They are centralized.
[02:51:42]  They have control of the cultural institutions, or at least they're losing it now.
[02:51:46]  And as you mentioned, the right isn't producing any of these things.
[02:51:48]  White people in Europe and the United States, countries they've colonized, have, and even their home countries, opened the door to foreigners to come in, whether intentionally or otherwise, displacing them.
[02:52:00]  And they're not having kids either.
[02:52:02]  So I hear these white supremacists and white nationalists saying like, we need a country for white people.
[02:52:06]  And I'm like, why?
[02:52:06]  White people have killed themselves.
[02:52:08]  It is not China.
[02:52:09]  China's having too many babies, and they're all Chinese.
[02:52:11]  And they're killing the people who are ethnically opposed to them.
[02:52:14]  The Koreans and the Japanese are ethno-supremacists.
[02:52:16]  It is only the countries that are prominently white, save Eastern Europe, that have opened their doors to non-white individuals, to people, to foreigners, and have not been reproducing at adequate levels.
[02:52:26]  Don't get me wrong, fertility has dropped everywhere.
[02:52:28]  But the point is, if white people are so great, why are they killing themselves?
[02:52:33]  And then they say, it's the Jews.
[02:52:35]  And I'm like, uh-huh.
[02:52:36]  I think it's that rat utopia experiment.
[02:52:38]  Yeah, I guess just to answer the caller super quickly, the grant, I was looking for the grant.
[02:52:42]  It's a proving comic book series that features LGBTQ, but also the grant was only $32,000, right?
[02:52:47]  And so we can maybe talk about like what $32,000 compared to like, let's be serious.
[02:52:53]  When we're talking about government spending, that doesn't cover almost anything.
[02:52:57]  What about $13 million for gender studies in Pakistan?
[02:53:00]  The issue is we can look into that data.
[02:53:03]  I'm pretty sure it just wasn't just gender studies.
[02:53:06]  I'm pretty sure it was a large amount of curriculum generally handed out as part of USAID, right?
[02:53:11]  Stop making other countries gay communists.
[02:53:14]  So we can be like, oh, we shouldn't put gay stuff in there.
[02:53:17]  Okay, well, then you're just putting it here.
[02:53:19]  I agree.
[02:53:19]  Well, hold on.
[02:53:20]  Then you're just putting your heteronormative preference into it anyways, because what we're giving them is books with superheroes.
[02:53:25]  So if you want to, sure.
[02:53:27]  I just like, this is, this isn't the meaningful conversation we need to be having about when we're talking about like interventionism is like whether or not there's a gay superhero in one of the comic books for a $32,000 grant.
[02:53:40]  What actually matters here is conversations like going back to what you were talking about of like our morals and principles, right?
[02:53:45]  One of the things we were talking a bit about before of how there's always going to be that one guy who wants $7 billion and there's nothing the system can do about that.
[02:53:53]  And I'd say, that's true.
[02:53:54]  These people will always exist.
[02:53:55]  And yet liberal democracy has found a way to utilize those people and everyone else to bring about the best society we have experienced thus far, right?
[02:54:04]  I prefer that 7 billionaire and all of the problems that he has to now versus the 7 billionaire in feudal times, right?
[02:54:13]  Because I have more controls.
[02:54:15]  He can't just walk into my house and rape me because I let I'm on Rumble, not right.
[02:54:20]  I can say that.
[02:54:20]  Yeah.
[02:54:20]  Okay.
[02:54:21]  Sorry.
[02:54:21]  I mean, you can see it on YouTube.
[02:54:22]  Okay, I wasn't sure.
[02:54:23]  But he can.
[02:54:25]  He really wanted to.
[02:54:26]  He can't.
[02:54:26]  He will go to jail.
[02:54:27]  No, he won't.
[02:54:28]  He will absolutely be charged and tried.
[02:54:30]  And if my husband walked in and shot him in the head, the chances that my husband would walk or get an extremely low sentencing is decently high.
[02:54:37]  There are absolutely things that we can really do.
[02:54:40]  Can I just point out?
[02:54:42]  Can I say one word to prove you wrong?
[02:54:44]  Sure.
[02:54:45]  Epstein.
[02:54:47]  What do you, sorry?
[02:54:50]  The fact that the FBI is covering up for it and the masses of people are pushing against it, but we are starting to see.
[02:54:57]  There's one person from the Epstein client list who has been criminally charged for raping underage girls.
[02:55:03]  I think Prince Andrew's under investigation right now.
[02:55:06]  Not for rape and underage girls, for giving state secrets.
[02:55:07]  Name one individual for rape, specifically what you mentioned.
[02:55:10]  Sure, I agree.
[02:55:11]  Because the wealthy, powerful, connected individuals.
[02:55:13]  No, no, no.
[02:55:13]  Stop.
[02:55:14]  You're doing a communist.
[02:55:14]  You're doing the communist thing.
[02:55:16]  Here's the communist.
[02:55:17]  This is what communists will do.
[02:55:18]  They'll say, look at this problem in capitalism.
[02:55:21]  This is what I'm saying.
[02:55:22]  I'm not talking about the problem of capitalism.
[02:55:24]  I am talking about it.
[02:55:24]  Yes, you are.
[02:55:25]  You're talking about the billionaires buying off government entities so that they can't do it.
[02:55:28]  The communists say that they're the same exact problem.
[02:55:30]  Powerful elites don't get help.
[02:55:31]  And yet the living conditions of a person in a liberal democracy is obviously better than somebody in a USSR society.
[02:55:37]  Specifically was that a rich person couldn't rape you and get away with it.
[02:55:39]  Of course they can.
[02:55:41]  The word can, I mean, it can happen, but there are repercussions in this civilization as opposed to 500 years ago is the point.
[02:55:47]  A smart person could walk in your house in the middle of the morning.
[02:55:50]  We are comparing the feudal system to now.
[02:55:52]  I agree that there are problems with the Epstein files, right?
[02:55:54]  Harvey Weinstein has gone to jail for raping girls and doing all sorts of Me Too shit.
[02:55:59]  Larry, what's the gym?
[02:56:01]  Silver.
[02:56:01]  The gym guy who'd work with gymnasts and he was like fingering them all the time.
[02:56:04]  Underage girls.
[02:56:05]  Oh, Nasser?
[02:56:07]  Larry Nasser's in jail, right?
[02:56:09]  And I agree.
[02:56:09]  I agree.
[02:56:10]  I'm all with you on the Epstein stuff that there are problems.
[02:56:13]  I'm just going to say, I'll just finish this.
[02:56:15]  In the feudal system, you can get raped by Epstein and Larry Nasser and all of these losers, and he can rape your wife, and he can rape your kids, and there's nothing you can do about it.
[02:56:24]  And if you try to, you get killed by the state.
[02:56:27]  At least in this state, there are things we can do.
[02:56:29]  I'm so sorry.
[02:56:29]  I keep flying.
[02:56:30]  The point is, you can ban it.
[02:56:33]  They can do it if they want.
[02:56:36]  Again, so while I agree we need more liberalism, we need more balances of power.
[02:56:41]  This isn't to say that the system is so broken we should just give up on it.
[02:56:44]  The answer is What are you actually advocating for then?
[02:56:50]  Nothing.
[02:56:51]  You said that if someone tried to rape you, they wouldn't get away with it.
[02:56:55]  I said, yes, they would.
[02:56:57]  Well, I'm pushing back on what seems like this nihilistic system of giving up on any advancement.
[02:57:02]  I'm saying there are things we can do.
[02:57:03]  I'm just simply saying the point that you made about powerful people can't just rape you and get away with it.
[02:57:08]  I'm like, yes, they can.
[02:57:10]  So what do we do about it?
[02:57:12]  We pass laws and we create it.
[02:57:15]  I'll put it simply.
[02:57:16]  You do what you can and you will never stop the motivated, intelligent psychopath.
[02:57:23]  No, but that doesn't mean we stop trying.
[02:57:25]  My point is, if Elon Musk wanted to rape you, there are things he could easily do to make that happen, and there is nothing you can stop.
[02:57:34]  You say that, but even Epstein didn't want to fuck with that guy.
[02:57:36]  So maybe not Elon Musk.
[02:57:37]  He might be a little too weird.
[02:57:38]  He might be a little too weird to get away with it, right?
[02:57:40]  There are 300,000 children go missing every year or some insane number.
[02:57:46]  Do you know about the rape safaris?
[02:57:49]  Is that the, wasn't that funded by like some Italian group?
[02:57:52]  No, no, no.
[02:57:52]  On Native American reservations, there's a black market where wealthy individuals will hire these security guys.
[02:57:59]  I say security, but they're like trained dudes.
[02:58:02]  And they'll ride into a reservation until they find a young girl, capture her, the wealthy person will rape her, and then they'll dump her out of the car and leave.
[02:58:09]  Sure, but in the case of the Epstein files, who Epstein's dead.
[02:58:14]  He raped little girls and he's dead now.
[02:58:16]  Somebody killed him.
[02:58:17]  Probably.
[02:58:18]  Thank God.
[02:58:19]  I hope they did.
[02:58:20]  So name one of his clients who he facilitated child trafficking to who has been convicted, who has gone to jail.
[02:58:27]  I didn't say that I have any.
[02:58:28]  Wealthy individuals created a machine by which they could rape underage girls and get away.
[02:58:32]  That's my position is that a wealthy person could not rape you and get away with it.
[02:58:37]  That's not my position.
[02:58:38]  You literally said that.
[02:58:39]  Okay, what I'm outlining to you.
[02:58:41]  I'll restate my position.
[02:58:42]  And then I said, Epstein.
[02:58:43]  What I'm outlining to you is that the way that you talk about the system is that there are always going to be pariahs that abuse you in it, which I agree that there will be pariahs.
[02:58:51]  Yeah, sure.
[02:58:52]  Is that the right word?
[02:58:53]  Like antisocial people?
[02:58:55]  Does that work?
[02:58:56]  Like a social pariah.
[02:58:58]  Well, sure.
[02:58:59]  Okay.
[02:58:59]  Whatever word we want to use here, right?
[02:59:01]  There are always going to be individuals that are abusing the system, that are taking advantage of it and are harming smaller little people underneath them.
[02:59:08]  Agreed?
[02:59:10]  Say it one more time.
[02:59:11]  There are always going to be people with lots of power who are trying to harm smaller people underneath them.
[02:59:17]  No.
[02:59:18]  There will.
[02:59:19]  Okay.
[02:59:20]  Well, because I would say there will always be a circumstance where powerful people are causing harm to other people.
[02:59:30]  Okay.
[02:59:30]  So how is that meaningful?
[02:59:33]  What do you mean?
[02:59:34]  So do you think like people mining for sulfur and having their teeth run out of their face is harmful to them?
[02:59:41]  Okay.
[02:59:42]  Sorry.
[02:59:43]  I'm going to ask you a question.
[02:59:44]  Okay.
[02:59:44]  Sorry.
[02:59:45]  Human beings mine sulfur.
[02:59:46]  Yep.
[02:59:47]  It's usually done by third world impoverished people for pennies a day or something.
[02:59:50]  Yeah.
[02:59:51]  The fumes cause their teeth to fall out of their mouths.
[02:59:53]  They stuff rags in their mouths to try and breathe through the fumes.
[02:59:56]  Is that harmful to them?
[02:59:58]  Yes.
[02:59:58]  Wealthy individuals running these companies aren't intentionally trying to harm them, but they will be harmed because someone has to mine the sulfur.
[03:00:04]  Okay, so the only differentiation you're making from mine is that you think that I'm implying that there's bad people who want to do harm?
[03:00:11]  I am clarifying the difference between a statement that implies that there will always be wealthy people intentionally trying to harm people versus a clarification.
[03:00:21]  Sure.
[03:00:21]  Yeah, and I'll grant the clarification.
[03:00:24]  We should get more callers in, though.
[03:00:25]  So make you want to finish your question.
[03:00:26]  Sure.
[03:00:26]  The issue is that it's really important that we don't get lost in what I'm talking about here.
[03:00:30]  What I'm saying is that we need to be cautious to point out problems in the system and not be so quick as to abandon the system entirely.
[03:00:39]  And I'm not saying that you are advocating necessarily.
[03:00:41]  I'm not quite sure what you believe in and what we should do about it.
[03:00:46]  Think we should do the same thing, which is pass laws and try to make society better.
[03:00:50]  I agree that Epstein and people are getting away with it, and that's bad.
[03:00:54]  But if we went 300 years ago, they would have never even been brought into court.

=== TPP Tariffs and Local Manufacturers (10:17) ===

[03:00:59]  Dr. Michael Beacon, do you want to add anything or shout anything out before we go to the next caller?
[03:01:02]  Maybe it's a shout-out because, man, are we going long?
[03:01:05]  Sorry.
[03:01:05]  I forgot about the family.
[03:01:06]  I'll make the shout-out real quick.
[03:01:08]  So I want to shout out my comic, Seven Legions.
[03:01:12]  It's a sci-fi fantasy historical fiction space opera about Hiko, an orphan born in Sengoku era, Japan, adopted by a low-ranking samurai family, whose dreams are actually the memories of the life of Azrakow, an angel who served one of the greatest soldiers of the Seven Legions until he uncovered a plot to destroy them from within and vanished.
[03:01:31]  Now Hiko finds himself drawn to a galactic conflict while his own clan has gotten a war of its own.
[03:01:37]  And hey, there's even a dwarf on a jetpack.
[03:01:39]  And you can get issues one through three at inkslayerentertainment.com.
[03:01:42]  Also, the Jews don't need to buy this book.
[03:01:45]  Well, all right.
[03:01:46]  Thanks for calling in, brother.
[03:01:47]  The Jews, the Jews.
[03:01:50]  Before we jump to the next caller, I'll just my point is that all of the laws that we make are only for those who are not smart enough to get past them.
[03:01:59]  But we got the caller, so I don't know if you want to just.
[03:02:01]  Oh, the gay communist stuff.
[03:02:03]  People think that the USAID was trying to make more gay communists by funding that stuff.
[03:02:07]  What they were doing was they looked for uninitiated voters.
[03:02:09]  They found that in this country they happen to be gay, or in this country, they happen to be attending communists.
[03:02:13]  So we'll fund those people to get them to vote the way we're trying to get them to vote in that country.
[03:02:18]  Major Elric, what's up?
[03:02:22]  Yo, how's it going, everybody?
[03:02:23]  What's up, dude?
[03:02:24]  It's fucking riveting, dude.
[03:02:25]  I'm like, just well, my goal here is to help us lift up from the doomcast IRL, maybe like point our minds towards something more positive.
[03:02:38]  So let's assume that a genie snapped his fingers and the Republican coalition began suddenly to walk in lockstep and be competent like the Democrats.
[03:02:49]  How could Trump and MAGA walk the tightrope to win the midterms?
[03:02:53]  They would win the midterms.
[03:02:54]  What do you mean?
[03:02:56]  No, like what would they need to do?
[03:02:57]  Nothing.
[03:02:58]  If the coalition was completely unified in lockstep, they'd have the plurality of the vote.
[03:03:03]  Are you asking if Trump could do something to get everybody to walk in lockstep, what would that thing be?
[03:03:10]  Yeah, I guess like kind of game plan how it would be possible for the Republicans to win the midterms.
[03:03:20]  I don't see that as possible.
[03:03:23]  There's a viral tweet I just saw where apparently the insinuation, Joe Kent heavily implied that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
[03:03:34]  And at this point, it's just like there's no Republican Party anymore.
[03:03:41]  The Republican Party has become mass formation, psychosis, and neocon.
[03:03:47]  If you're asking like, what could he do that would be like righteous, that wouldn't be deceptive, I'm having a hard time.
[03:03:53]  Because it's like you could get people to put graphene in the roads, but like what between now and then get the world excited about that?
[03:04:00]  I don't know if that's if we could do that fast enough.
[03:04:02]  Deceit-wise, you could have him stage a false flag with AI and have half the world terrified and bend to his will.
[03:04:08]  But like, I'm not buying that.
[03:04:14]  Public works.
[03:04:14]  We need a public works program that people can get behind economically that's detached from the man.
[03:04:23]  I probably don't have a satisfying answer for you because I obviously am not a conservative.
[03:04:26]  So I don't know if you want an answer for me anyways.
[03:04:29]  I don't like Trump and I think he sucks and I think he abandoned all conservative values.
[03:04:32]  I think the coalition is a spite-driven feel because the left was nasty and awful.
[03:04:37]  And you guys gave up the game the moment you put a hypocrite war hawk who has stolen billions of dollars from the populace into power, I guess.
[03:04:46]  So I guess don't do any of those things and then maybe you'd be in a better position.
[03:04:50]  Do you think Kamala Airs is better?
[03:04:51]  No.
[03:04:52]  I mean, that's what you guys wanted.
[03:04:53]  She was just such a weak candidate, but her policies would have been, well, her policies obviously would have been better.
[03:04:58]  Yes.
[03:04:58]  Oh, come on.
[03:04:59]  They just would have been.
[03:05:00]  She wouldn't have tariffs.
[03:05:03]  Do you see any like social media?
[03:05:04]  Do you know about how she did that?
[03:05:06]  She's a prosecutor, so she's enslaving black people.
[03:05:08]  No, she kept innocent people in jail longer than their term to make them fight wildfires.
[03:05:14]  No, we're not going to get into this right now.
[03:05:17]  Hold on.
[03:05:17]  You want to make a bet?
[03:05:18]  I don't want to make a bet with you.
[03:05:21]  Because I don't know anything about the story, but my immediate sniff check.
[03:05:24]  I'm not making a bet on this.
[03:05:25]  This is wrong.
[03:05:26]  No, I'm not.
[03:05:26]  This is like extremely well known.
[03:05:29]  I want to look it up.
[03:05:30]  It was very famous in 2020 when Tulsi Gabbard said on the stage that she kept prison inmates in prison beyond their term to have them fight wildfires for a dollar an hour.
[03:05:39]  Okay.
[03:05:40]  There was also an innocent guy on death row that she refused to give a hearing to because they had evidence that he was innocent.
[03:05:45]  She kept him in as well.
[03:05:46]  Sorry.
[03:05:47]  Trump, before he got elected, said that torture was on the table.
[03:05:50]  Trump said that he was going to nuke and destroy North Korea and Syria with fiery hell, which was crazy for all of you anti-war people who voted for him, right?
[03:06:02]  He was been hawkish from the beginning, despite the fact that he lied to all of you and insisted he didn't.
[03:06:06]  He insisted that he was going to do tariffs.
[03:06:08]  And most people who voted for Trump said, he won't do tariffs.
[03:06:11]  What did he do?
[03:06:12]  He did tariffs.
[03:06:13]  And what has it done?
[03:06:14]  And what has it done for our democracy?
[03:06:16]  Amazing.
[03:06:16]  It has been terrible for owner business and manufacturing.
[03:06:20]  I'll tell you this.
[03:06:21]  I think the social issue.
[03:06:22]  They will tell you.
[03:06:23]  I got two.
[03:06:24]  And I got to tell you, it has been a godsend.
[03:06:26]  Do you only hire local?
[03:06:28]  We only do American.
[03:06:29]  We only work with American shops.
[03:06:31]  Sure.
[03:06:32]  And so we have to compete with cheap Chinese trash.
[03:06:34]  Trump with the tariffs in place.
[03:06:36]  Our products stay the exact same.
[03:06:38]  And it has improved for us.
[03:06:40]  And you know what he did?
[03:06:41]  He used those tariffs to trade off for personal favors from Vietnam, from Saudi Arabia, and he loaded his pockets and raked in Kohl's while all of the manufacturers that didn't own local and couldn't do what you did and can't pivot quickly just passed on the cost to the consumer, which is why you should care about the common man.
[03:06:57]  The common man.
[03:06:58]  It's not the common man.
[03:06:59]  The common man, me, and most middle-class people suffer under tariffs.
[03:07:04]  That is just a fact.
[03:07:06]  The only people who benefit from it are Trump, his family, and a couple of local businesses.
[03:07:11]  The suffering is the point.
[03:07:13]  Is the point?
[03:07:13]  Yes.
[03:07:14]  What's the point of suffering?
[03:07:15]  To force American industry to hire American.
[03:07:18]  The issue is they didn't.
[03:07:20]  They just passed those costs.
[03:07:23]  How long?
[03:07:24]  When Trump told the auto manufacturers they were going to slap a 30% tariff on them and they moved their factories back to Michigan and Ohio, then Biden got in and cut that deal.
[03:07:34]  So the factories moved back to Indonesia and Mexico.
[03:07:37]  Four years they moved back.
[03:07:38]  Yes.
[03:07:38]  It was an investment, so they didn't actually set it up.
[03:07:41]  Trump secured a $3.2 billion investment into Michigan.
[03:07:45]  And then, yes, these things take longer than four years.
[03:07:47]  Actually, I think it was 2019.
[03:07:48]  So within two years, they canceled the investment.
[03:07:51]  Indeed.
[03:07:51]  Yeah.
[03:07:52]  And why is it the case that people always move out?
[03:07:53]  So for example, you're right.
[03:07:55]  You're right.
[03:07:56]  Fuck it.
[03:07:57]  Give me some Chinese fucking slaves.
[03:07:58]  I don't give a shit.
[03:07:59]  I want, no, I want a Chinese slave working for 25 cents an hour to make my products.
[03:08:02]  I do agree.
[03:08:03]  I don't want to trade.
[03:08:05]  No, you're okay.
[03:08:05]  What's better?
[03:08:06]  Trading tariffs so my crypto son can make money from Saudi Arabia investing in my crypto.
[03:08:11]  That is exactly what he did.
[03:08:13]  He used these types of tariffs specifically.
[03:08:15]  Answer what I said.
[03:08:16]  Is it better that you have to-is it better that you have a president who levies tariffs, global tariffs, to get personal favors from autocrats and from dictators around the world?
[03:08:26]  Is that better?
[03:08:28]  I'm waiting for you to respond to what I said because I don't know what you're talking about.
[03:08:31]  You don't know what I'm talking about.
[03:08:32]  You don't know what I'm saying.
[03:08:33]  I don't want Chinese slaves.
[03:08:34]  I don't.
[03:08:36]  Okay.
[03:08:36]  Can I have Chinese slaves?
[03:08:38]  I suppose in your utopia world.
[03:08:40]  It's not worth it.
[03:08:41]  I need to manufacture a product and Americans charge fucking 20 bucks an hour.
[03:08:44]  I can get a Chinese person to do it for a quarter.
[03:08:46]  Is that okay?
[03:08:47]  Yes.
[03:08:47]  No health care either.
[03:08:48]  And they commit ritual suicide off the top of their buildings.
[03:08:51]  No, that's Japan.
[03:08:52]  No, that's Foxconn in China.
[03:08:54]  Foxconn in China, where they walked off the buildings in mass suicide because they're crammed into tiny boxes, 16th person a room.
[03:09:01]  You're right.
[03:09:01]  And they make sure that they should actually sign trade greedies like TPP, which Trump pulled out of, by the way, which made Vietnam have to establish certain rigorous standards of treating their workers so that we can keep working with Vietnam, keep lifting them out of poverty, which is what globalized capitalism does, and then also insist on Sir Wood Morgan statures.
[03:09:18]  But actually, we should get rid of that so that now Vietnam is only reliant on China.
[03:09:22]  That will never establish any worker standards.
[03:09:24]  The problem with the Trans-Pacific Margaret Straits.
[03:09:26]  The problem with the TPP was bad thinking.
[03:09:28]  This is such bad thing.
[03:09:29]  The problem with the TPP was the investor-state dispute settlement, which allowed the corporations to sue the U.S. government for discrimination if we chose not to buy their oil.
[03:09:38]  And then we taxpayers would have to pay Vietnamese corporations back.
[03:09:42]  It really corporate that's not the same.
[03:09:44]  I'm not throwing the way that corporations are scaling.
[03:09:46]  Major Elric, do you want to add anything?
[03:09:48]  It was part of the globalization and technocratic.
[03:09:50]  It was mass BDS.
[03:09:51]  They wanted to give the corporations governance power.
[03:09:53]  That was what TPP was doing.
[03:09:55]  It was also establishing trade unions.
[03:09:57]  It was also establishing worker things.
[03:09:59]  Vietnam factories could not work with us on TPP if they did.
[03:10:04]  I don't know what BDS is.
[03:10:05]  The boycott, divest, and sanction.
[03:10:09]  It depends on what we're talking about as a form of soft power.
[03:10:12]  Do you know about the anti-BDS laws they have in like 38 states?
[03:10:15]  No.
[03:10:16]  These are that government contractors can't refuse to do work with Israel.
[03:10:20]  Okay.
[03:10:20]  TPP was that, but for a bunch of other countries, it would restrict you from rejecting.
[03:10:26]  This is what he's talking about: the investor settlement state dispute.
[03:10:28]  Investor-state dispute.
[03:10:29]  Yeah, settlement clause.
[03:10:31]  It would allow corporations to sue our government forced taxpayers to pay for it if we were refusing to contract with these foreign countries.
[03:10:36]  Sure, yeah, that was a bad part of TPP.
[03:10:37]  And what should have happened, rather than Trump pulling out of TPP, is he should have just amended it, which you can do as actually as a brilliant business negotiator.
[03:10:45]  You think that he could manage that negotiation?
[03:10:47]  Major Alrick, do you want to shout anything out?
[03:10:50]  Yeah, I'm just proud to announce that I'm going to be getting confirmed and baptized on the Easter Vigil this year.
[03:10:59]  The shout out is for because the culture is doing good.
[03:11:03]  At my particular cathedral, we're seeing 100 people joining the church this year, which is great to see.
[03:11:10]  God is good, and God bless everybody.
[03:11:12]  Ronan, thanks for calling in, brother.
[03:11:13]  Thank you.
[03:11:15]  God, dude.

=== Graphene Sheets Versus Steel (05:25) ===

[03:11:16]  All right.
[03:11:16]  Next up, we have the wrong week to quit amphetamines.
[03:11:20]  Wait, you never answered my question on tariffs.
[03:11:22]  Do you think it's good that Trump is trading tariff favors for personal favors for his family?
[03:11:26]  No.
[03:11:26]  Okay, great.
[03:11:27]  But I don't care about the personal beef with Trump.
[03:11:30]  I'm concerned about this isn't a personal beef with Trump.
[03:11:32]  This is a president levying his position of power in American tax dollars to get personal favors.
[03:11:37]  I don't care.
[03:11:37]  That's bad.
[03:11:38]  I literally don't care with Ukraine.
[03:11:40]  Joe Biden did a bunch of bad things.
[03:11:41]  Trump did a bunch of bad things.
[03:11:42]  They both be criticized.
[03:11:43]  These are not the same.
[03:11:45]  They shall both be criticized for enriching themselves.
[03:11:47]  The level of enrichment comparison between these people are not the same.
[03:11:50]  It's not even beginning to be able to.
[03:11:52]  I already said yes.
[03:11:53]  You should be criticized for it.
[03:11:54]  End of story.
[03:11:56]  How do you get the president to argue for the sake of arguing?
[03:12:00]  Well, what you're doing is yes, but it's basically you said yes, but Joe Biden's basically the same.
[03:12:05]  No, I said I said Biden.
[03:12:07]  I didn't want to conflate it.
[03:12:08]  U.S. government.
[03:12:08]  Did you not bring up Biden?
[03:12:09]  I did.
[03:12:09]  He did just then.
[03:12:10]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[03:12:11]  I didn't know.
[03:12:11]  And then I said Biden, Trump, whatever.
[03:12:13]  They should all be criticized when they do bad things.
[03:12:15]  All right.
[03:12:16]  Anyway, so the wrong week to quit amphetamines.
[03:12:18]  What up?
[03:12:19]  Ladies, ladies, you're all pretty.
[03:12:21]  Shut the fuck up.
[03:12:21]  Thank you.
[03:12:22]  Okay, I agree.
[03:12:24]  Okay, so this is misledin, but everyone else can put in your input.
[03:12:29]  I don't give a shit.
[03:12:30]  So with graphene, what seems to be 10 years away from mass production, just like fear, what makes you think that we'll actually see the properties of this so-called wonder material?
[03:12:38]  Because if we start looking back into the past, because history always rhymes, it does not repeat.
[03:12:44]  This exact same thing happened with PTFE, or as we know it off as Teflon.
[03:12:48]  It took roughly, though, 16 years from it to be discovered in 1938 for it to be publicly available on store shelves in 1954.
[03:12:58]  So with graphene first being isolated in 86, it's going on now 40 years without seeing any major publicly available products.
[03:13:07]  So does it actually have the claims?
[03:13:10]  Because if it did, why aren't they investing into it?
[03:13:14]  Well, they are investing into it.
[03:13:16]  I'm sorry, I got to interrupt.
[03:13:18]  I have like seven graphene batteries.
[03:13:21]  Oh, graphene's great.
[03:13:23]  They figured out, so the internet's a big part of why it's accelerating and becoming mass adopted.
[03:13:27]  They didn't have that back in the day.
[03:13:28]  So it's easier to quash new things, but they figured out how to produce bulk graphene.
[03:13:33]  It's different than you said 10 years away to make these sheets of it, these perfect sheets of it.
[03:13:38]  That's going to be a challenge.
[03:13:39]  That's when we're going to get microelectronics out of the stuff.
[03:13:40]  But the bulk graphene is how you make like roads and buildings with it.
[03:13:45]  You mix it into asphalt and make it two and a half times stronger, last longer.
[03:13:48]  And you mix it into with steel.
[03:13:51]  You can mix it with bitumen in the roads.
[03:13:55]  Did I say concrete?
[03:13:56]  You mix it with the concrete in the buildings to make it lighter and stronger.
[03:14:00]  So that's going to be the mass adoption round one.
[03:14:03]  And then when we start building with fucking rocket ships that are like touchscreen computers that can handle 10,000 degree temperatures, but that's going to be after.
[03:14:13]  Everyone already know what it is at that point.
[03:14:15]  Then why hasn't the likes of General Dynamic 3M Dow Chemical DuPont or Honeywell decided to dump billions of billions of dollars into the development of it to actually make it viable in mass production?
[03:14:27]  It might be that they're using shell companies to invest so you don't see them investing because that would make investors think that they're going to jump ship or change their business model.
[03:14:34]  But it's very likely that they are.
[03:14:37]  But it would help them in their financial gain because if they're able to add it into materials like you're saying, you're going to end up being able to make more money because you're able to take your waste products, burn it down to carbon or extract it from the air and put it back into your material at a cheaper cost.
[03:14:54]  Yeah, that's true.
[03:14:55]  But if they scare off their investors, then they might lose money in the aggregate.
[03:15:01]  Why would they scare off the investors by making more profit?
[03:15:04]  If they pivot away from steel, for instance, and go into carbon, like just graphene, the steel manufacturers might be like, oh, shit, this sends ripples through.
[03:15:12]  I don't know.
[03:15:12]  It's just a proportion.
[03:15:13]  I don't know if, I don't know.
[03:15:15]  I haven't looked into like Dow's investment strategy and how deep they are in the graphene game right now.
[03:15:21]  Well, that'd be something to think about if you talk about it all the time, because that way you actually can realize, oh, shit, is it actually viable or is it just empty claims?
[03:15:32]  No, it's definitely viable, but the copper industry's got resistance.
[03:15:36]  That funny thing to say, copper, because they have copper wires, you know, so there's resistance in wires.
[03:15:40]  That's why it was a funny joke for me.
[03:15:42]  And the carbon wiring industry is going to offset the copper industry.
[03:15:45]  So copper industry has shut up about it.
[03:15:48]  The steel industry is shut up about it because they don't want to lose their building monopoly.
[03:15:55]  But that's, I think, the reasoning is people are terrified about the paradigm shift, but the pressure is built so hard.
[03:16:00]  I mean, it's spurging through the dam right now.
[03:16:03]  Graphene investments are up like five times over the last year.
[03:16:10]  Well, it'd be nice to actually see the product come to fruition and not just be talked about.
[03:16:14]  And you've got to make it.
[03:16:16]  We've got to make it a little bit more.
[03:16:17]  Okay, we just go get a thing of graphite right quick.
[03:16:20]  That's what I'm talking about, dude.
[03:16:22]  Get a clay pot, get a bunch of coke, put it in there with a couple of fucking electrodes and just turn it into graphene, dude.
[03:16:27]  Make sure it's ventilated, though.
[03:16:30]  I like coughing the fumes.
[03:16:31]  No.
[03:16:33]  You know, when you burn stuff, you're breathing in graphene in the smoke.
[03:16:36]  There's little bits of it up there frozen around.
[03:16:39]  Do you want to shine anything out, brother?

=== Turning Coke Into Graphene (06:42) ===

[03:16:41]  The Timcast Discord because people got pissy at me last time.
[03:16:46]  That's about it.
[03:16:47]  We're all right on, man.
[03:16:48]  Thanks for calling in.
[03:16:48]  For juicing that brand, dude.
[03:16:51]  All right.
[03:16:52]  Next up, we've got Fromfett.
[03:16:55]  What's going on, brother?
[03:16:56]  What's up, dude?
[03:16:57]  Hey, so longtime caller, first-time listener.
[03:17:00]  I know it's been a little controversial tonight, so I want to ask something really easy.
[03:17:05]  So there's been a lot of talk about women's sexual liberation and how it's devalued women because it makes all of the desperate men no longer have to work hard to see boobs anymore, which I hear is a very important part.
[03:17:20]  See boobs, do thing.
[03:17:22]  That's why men work.
[03:17:24]  So I personally postulate that women's sexuality is a lot like a sandwich.
[03:17:28]  I would be pretty mad if 15 men fucked my sandwich before I ate it.
[03:17:33]  But I would be a lot less mad if I was the one that fucked my sandwich before I ate it.
[03:17:40]  And maybe I would ignore that extra mayo.
[03:17:43]  What?
[03:17:43]  You mean you'd eat your own calm?
[03:17:45]  Is that what you're telling me?
[03:17:46]  Is that why you called?
[03:17:48]  Is that why you called?
[03:17:49]  I'm just saying I don't want extra mayo on my sandwich.
[03:17:53]  His own mayo.
[03:17:54]  Maybe 15 people fuck his sandwich is the problem.
[03:17:58]  What about other people's saliva on your sandwich?
[03:18:02]  I mean, is it a big titty goth girl?
[03:18:05]  Because if she sticks on that, yeah, I'd be like DNA and me or whatever.
[03:18:09]  You definitely have to sound the voice of a man who attracts a big titty goth girl for sure.
[03:18:13]  When you go on OnlyFans and you are DMing that girl for like $5 per message, you are talking to a guy.
[03:18:20]  Capric.
[03:18:20]  It is a guy who's like, I'm going to stroke you.
[03:18:23]  And the other guy's going like, yeah.
[03:18:25]  I get paid for that.
[03:18:26]  Yes, that's why I'm posting my feet on OnlyFans.
[03:18:31]  How's it going?
[03:18:31]  People pay me.
[03:18:32]  How do you think I afford this?
[03:18:34]  Tim, I'm here because I have pretty feet.
[03:18:38]  So do you have another question?
[03:18:40]  Because I actually want to know more about the cum in the.
[03:18:44]  I'm glad you went like that.
[03:18:45]  Is the mayo that you're talking about your cum or is that?
[03:18:50]  I mean, I don't want extra mayo on my sandwich.
[03:18:54]  That's my point.
[03:18:55]  If you had way too much mayo, wouldn't you question why your sandwich had that much mayo on it in the first place?
[03:19:03]  Yeah, I went to McDonald's once and I ordered a double cheeseburger and I opened up.
[03:19:06]  There was mayonnaise on top of the bun.
[03:19:08]  But if I got a sandwich and there was a bunch of mayo, I just scraped the mayo off if I wanted the sandwich.
[03:19:11]  And that's a true story.
[03:19:13]  I opened it up and the top of the bun had mayonnaise on it.
[03:19:15]  That's weird.
[03:19:15]  I think what happened is when they had the wrapper, they accidentally scored a mayonnaise and when they folded it, it just splattered on it.
[03:19:20]  But I'm like, I'm not eating this.
[03:19:21]  You didn't just scrape it off.
[03:19:22]  What?
[03:19:23]  You can't.
[03:19:25]  And their mayonnaise is fine.
[03:19:26]  Sounds like Tim got a McGangbang.
[03:19:30]  Yeah, that's how I felt.
[03:19:31]  And I demanded my money back.
[03:19:33]  Do you think that men just have to accept there's going to be mayonnaise all over their sandwiches from now on?
[03:19:37]  Like, that's the world we live in?
[03:19:40]  I mean, I think the entire point is that.
[03:19:43]  What do you call it?
[03:19:44]  Women's sexual liberation.
[03:19:46]  That entire movement has been, oh, just ignore the extra mayonnaise.
[03:19:51]  Scrape it off.
[03:19:51]  Close it off the bun.
[03:19:53]  It doesn't matter.
[03:19:54]  I see where you're going with this.
[03:19:55]  It doesn't matter to like body count.
[03:19:58]  20% of the guys bang 8% of the women.
[03:20:01]  I know that's like a hyperbolic estimate, but a small percent of guys have sex with most women.
[03:20:06]  Well, a small percentage of men have a small percentage of sex with women, and they all have sex with each other.
[03:20:11]  So the mayonnaise can't be scraped off.
[03:20:13]  Well, the mayonnaise is a social construct, really.
[03:20:16]  It depends on whether or not you care about mayonnaise and that makes the mayonnaise exist or not.
[03:20:19]  It's easily recognized.
[03:20:22]  Women have a higher body count than men at a certain level of attractiveness, and then it inverts.
[03:20:29]  So, at the higher end of male attractiveness, they're banging a bunch of women.
[03:20:33]  So, like, women have a general lower body count than the most attractive guys, but they have a slightly higher body count than the average guy because this is just evolutionary biology and psychology.
[03:20:43]  Attractive guys get more women than unattractive guys.
[03:20:46]  And highly charismatic men get more women.
[03:20:48]  What's it like, Ian?
[03:20:51]  It's been fucking terrifying.
[03:20:52]  I started having sex with ugly girls on purpose because I was like, they need love too.
[03:20:56]  And then I realized I was ignoring the hot chicks.
[03:20:58]  And I'm like, now I'm missing out on the hottest girls.
[03:21:00]  Well, you got to spread the gene pool.
[03:21:03]  You know, no, he's doing a service.
[03:21:06]  You know what?
[03:21:07]  Having children?
[03:21:08]  No, because they say.
[03:21:09]  Are you having children with these women?
[03:21:10]  No, they say, you want to reproduce?
[03:21:12]  So I'm like, well, what if I make videos?
[03:21:13]  That's a form of reproduction.
[03:21:15]  I'm kind of reproducing myself for the world to change their genome based on my essence, you know?
[03:21:20]  It's a little different than having a business.
[03:21:21]  So make a cast of it, you know, make a cast of your head and put it in the fridge with some water in it.
[03:21:27]  Reproduction is a social construct when you think about it.
[03:21:29]  Right.
[03:21:30]  I mean, it sounds like Ian is making only graphene available now, and you get what's burned and left over.
[03:21:39]  Dude, I think you're huffing the graphene fumes, caller.
[03:21:43]  I think we've discovered this.
[03:21:44]  AI porn's the most disturbing shit, and I haven't touched my feet into it yet.
[03:21:48]  Have you guys watched it at all?
[03:21:50]  No.
[03:21:51]  I see it on you porn and all the porn sites, and it's like, I won't click on it.
[03:21:55]  For all I know, I've seen porn that was AI and I didn't know it.
[03:21:58]  It's fucking so disturbing to think that there's a, you get off to robots, dude, and that there's no more human interaction.
[03:22:04]  Because at least there's a fantasy of a woman with porn.
[03:22:07]  You could still make a fantasy of AI women.
[03:22:09]  A robot?
[03:22:10]  I mean, she's no more real than the real thing is he's getting a lot of money.
[03:22:14]  The model's never going to be around you, right?
[03:22:16]  I don't know.
[03:22:17]  I don't care about porn at all.
[03:22:20]  I don't know.
[03:22:21]  I don't know.
[03:22:23]  Was that your question?
[03:22:25]  I don't know where we're going.
[03:22:26]  He wanted to know how much mayo is on your sandwich and why.
[03:22:29]  I don't have a lot.
[03:22:30]  But I haven't been eating mayo lately.
[03:22:32]  What's that?
[03:22:34]  What I'm learning is that Ian made the McGangbang all by himself, apparently.
[03:22:41]  So he'll eat the sandwich.
[03:22:43]  All right.
[03:22:44]  What do you think, Kyla?
[03:22:45]  Women's rights is a good thing or what?
[03:22:47]  Is this kind of what we're talking about?
[03:22:49]  Yeah, you know, me as a hater of women's rights.
[03:22:51]  Because without it, you wouldn't be here to talk about the problems of it.
[03:22:55]  Man.
[03:22:55]  Can you imagine?
[03:22:57]  Feminist-based.
[03:22:58]  But don't you need to liberate women so that they can appear to talk about the problems with the liberation to make it a better liberation?
[03:23:04]  Women should be liberated the same degree as men.
[03:23:07]  They should have everything equal.
[03:23:08]  Men and women should be equal in all things, responsibilities and freedoms.
[03:23:11]  True, I agree with that.
[03:23:12]  Including selective service.
[03:23:13]  Yeah, I agree with that.
[03:23:15]  And financial abortions and abortions.
[03:23:17]  And abortions.
[03:23:18]  We're talking about a lot of women's rights.
[03:23:20]  But I'm not hearing a lot about women's wrong.
[03:23:23]  No, you can't.

=== Equal Strokes for Equal Folks (01:23) ===

[03:23:24]  Go to jail.
[03:23:24]  No, no, no.
[03:23:25]  I would say I would like that policy.
[03:23:27]  Of course you can't.
[03:23:27]  Oh, you're saying men should be able to.
[03:23:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[03:23:30]  Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.
[03:23:30]  I'm saying equal strokes for equal folks.
[03:23:32]  I think both of equal male for equal, I don't know.
[03:23:35]  Men can avoid male.
[03:23:37]  Yeah.
[03:23:37]  Yeah.
[03:23:38]  Financially.
[03:23:39]  That would be my preference.
[03:23:40]  Men can be like, I choose not to have a kid.
[03:23:43]  I prefer neither of those things, but equality-wise, I get it.
[03:23:46]  Yeah.
[03:23:47]  Well, we've gone way over.
[03:23:48]  Do you want to shout anything out other than mayonnaise in your sandwich?
[03:23:51]  Well, just shout out to Jimmy Jones.
[03:23:54]  I never got extra mayo on my sandwich.
[03:23:56]  I've got a Jimmy.
[03:23:57]  Don't tell me that was on my Jimmy John's sandwich.
[03:24:00]  It was his mayo.
[03:24:02]  It was the caller's mayo.
[03:24:05]  Right on, brother.
[03:24:06]  Okay, well, thanks for calling in, I guess.
[03:24:09]  Dang.
[03:24:10]  All right.
[03:24:11]  Thanks for the call, dude.
[03:24:12]  It's been a lot of fun.
[03:24:13]  We went a little long because we were yelling at each other, but I had a good time.
[03:24:15]  So, Matt, thanks for hanging out, Kyla, of course.
[03:24:17]  Thanks for having me.
[03:24:18]  We're back tomorrow, and I forgot who we have tomorrow, but we publicly announced it.
[03:24:23]  So, whatever.
[03:24:23]  Thanks for hanging out.
[03:24:24]  And did you guys notice that I did seven Tim Cast news segments yesterday and today?
[03:24:30]  No.
[03:24:30]  Because I'm a work machine.
[03:24:32]  I'm probably going to die.
[03:24:33]  Well, everybody will eventually, maybe.
[03:24:35]  I think I've done six.
[03:24:36]  This next year.
[03:24:37]  This puts me at six hours of recorded, pure straight talking.
[03:24:42]  Well, to be fair, like other people talk during IRL.
[03:24:44]  Yeah, okay, we'll see you later when you listen.
[03:24:47]  See you later.