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Nov. 14, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Trump DOJ Opens Probe Into Democrat Swalwell For Mortgage Fraud | Timcast IRL

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ian crossland

07:25

mary morgan

05:37

phil labonte

06:15

scott horton

29:13

seamus coughlin

10:03

tim pool

01:34:25

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01:17

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00:32

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Trump DOJ has officially opened a probe into Eric Swalwell, you know, that Democrat from California, over mortgage fraud.
		I can't believe it.
		Eric, no one is above the law.
		And he's claiming that he's being targeted for political reasons.
		Could it be that you just claimed a primary residence where it wasn't your primary residence to get favorable mortgage terms, perhaps, like so many others have done?
		Well, no one's above the law.
		So Swalwell will, he's going to, he's in trouble.
		He's in trouble.
		We'll see how this plays out.
		I do think a lot of these cases are a bit of a stretch, but where this is the game.
		Everybody's been pointing this out, not everybody, but many on the right have been saying, listen, normally these mortgage fraud cases, and they'd probably just say something like, we get it.
		We're not going to pursue these their life.
		But considering they went after Trump for literally everything and even arrested his lawyers, they're like, okay, letter of the law, it's going to be, and it's going to be to you.
		So we'll see what happens.
		Then we've got, of course, the Epstein smear, where Democrats put out an email where they redacted the name of a victim to make it seem like Trump was doing something untoward.
		And then when Republicans unredacted the email, the victim is Virginia Juffrey, who already said Trump did nothing wrong.
		So once again, more lies.
		But interestingly, it appears in these emails, at least for some of these posts, that journalist Michael Wolf was actually colluding with Epstein for favorable coverage and benefits that Epstein could receive from Trump, which is really weird for them to put these emails out, which actually doesn't make Trump look bad at all.
		In fact, Epstein said that Trump's like one of the worst people he knows.
		And it's funny, I'm supposed to be upset about that.
		Listen, I want the Epstein files released for sure.
		I'm with Massey and Rokana on this one.
		But it's a weird play from Democrats.
		Unfortunately, as you know, most of these people are just going to march in lockstep and they're going to act outrage and pretend like they don't know what's going on.
		And then, of course, we talk about how the world nearly ended.
		I don't know if you guys were paying attention to the gigantic pink sky that was taking over most of the country in the past couple of days.
		The G4 coronal mass ejection geomagnetic storm or whatever.
		I talked with the space weather guy, Ben Davidson, earlier, and he was like, We were close to being sent back to the Stone Age because the Earth magnetic sphere, magnetosphere, is weakening.
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		Come watch Tim Cast IRL tonight.
		Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else we've got.
		Scott Horton.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Tim.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		How are you, man?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking a couple of days, but it's good to see you.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations to you on reproducing since the last time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's an important function of life.
		Yes, and I very much enjoy it.
		What do you do?
		Who are you?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I'm the editorial director of anti-war.com, and I am the director of the Libertarian Institute.
		I host the Scott Horton Show.
		I've done 6,000 interviews since 2003 on almost all libertarian foreign policy stuff.
		And I have a new project, big deal, called the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom.
		And if you heard of Tom Woods, the great libertarian entrepreneur and scholar, he has the Liberty Classroom.
		And he built me my own Liberty classroom.
		So it's me doing so far a 30-hour course on Middle East affairs.
		And then I have a bunch of other great experts, the great James Bovard, William Bupert, and Ramsey Barud.
		And then we're adding more every day.
		We have, not every day, but often, we have the new one coming out is a professor, a scholar, a Lutheran religious scholar debunking Christian Zionism.
		And I'm going to be doing a whole course on that.
		So that's all at ScottHortonAcademy.com.
		And I hope this is true, Tim.
		I talked to my guy, but he's a little bit out of touch, but I'm trying to reach him.
		I was going to have him rig it up.
		So it's promo code Tim for 10% off.
		If people go to scotthortonacademy.com tonight and maybe I should have said that at the end after people heard how interesting I am, but you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, right on, it should be fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seamus is still here.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm still here, even though Tim got better.
		I am still here.
		I'm not hosting the show, but I just want to tell you guys, I am ecstatic right now.
		I need to thank you all.
		I've been saying this for the past five months, or I'm sorry, five weeks, not five months, five weeks since we began our crowdfunding campaign.
		A civilization cannot continue to exist if the only people telling its stories are people who hate it.
		People learn their values through story.
		And for decades, Hollywood has had a monopoly on entertainment.
		Radical leftists who want to chip away your country through their propaganda and have done so have owned entertainment.
		So we launched our animated show, Twisted Plots, to start pushing back against that.
		A show which promotes good, solid right-wing values, not through ham-fisted preaching, but good story and good jokes.
		After 11 years of producing Freedom Tunes, we've decided to start this larger venture, and you guys got us fully funded as of yesterday.
		We are now about 104% funded.
		And we've got roughly four or five hours left in the campaign.
		So if any of you wanted to be part of the movement or you wanted to claim some of the perks before it wraps up, go over to twistedplots.com.
		But otherwise, I've got nothing but gratitude.
		Thank you for getting us funded.
		God bless all of you.
		I'm going to make you an awesome show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on, Mary's Hold.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I am.
		Very cool.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations, you.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Hi, everyone.
		My name is Mary Morgan, and you can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Timcast.
		Now, I'm just going to warn you, Phil over here is going to try to sell you on his gingerbread flavored coffee.
		But I want to be very clear.
		He's one of the crazy people who celebrates Christmas before Thanksgiving has even happened.
		The perfect beverage to keep you warm in this autumn season is Mary's Ghost Blend, which is now available at castbrew.com.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Directly under the bus, huh?
unidentified		Hello, everybody.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		My name is Phil LeBonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		Ian, how are you doing?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm great.
		I was thinking, what should I say from intro?
		I'm like, dude, just watch these people because you guys are all so fun to watch and interesting.
		It's awesome.
		And Scott, you are definitely the man.
		You didn't shout out your show with Daryl Cooper that you've been doing.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		See, I got too many things.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I do a show with Daryl Cooper now called Provoked.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've learned a lot.
		I've put probably 15 hours at least or something like that into it so far.
		I'm so glad to see you again, man.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So let's get after my book, Provoked.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Great stuff.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Let's go deep.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		How long did it take you to write that?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		The last time I came here, I was under the impression there was a spine ramp with bowl corners down there.
		And I was going to make a bet.
		I know, but it was gone by the time I got here.
unidentified		Yeah.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I'd seen the video.
		So I was going to make you a bet.
		If I could go front side grind to backside grind around the corner into Faky, then you'd have to put Provoked in the background where people could see it for a year.
		Then I got here and the spine was gone and I'm going to go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can drop in.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I am not drawing.
		12 feet of vertical.
		Sorry.
unidentified		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I state Vert. 11.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if that's how Scott Horton is.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's only 11.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, it's 7.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, I have dropped in on, I think, at least like 5 feet of vert.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I've dropped in on a big extension on a very big vert ramp, but that's with like a 10-foot transition.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's too much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a nine-foot transition.
		It's a nine-foot transition with I'm not dropping in on your broker.
		All right, all right, let's get to the news.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a coward because if Jason Ellis wouldn't do it in full pads, then it's just not reasonable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's nowhere to go.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But hold on.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's so thin, and you'd have to roll in backside like immediately down there.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's but he could, but he'd put the book.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It was wider.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He'd put the book behind him for a year, and you can kill the man, but not the idea.
unidentified		So he'd right end you, but you'd sell more copies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		Here's the news, ladies and gentlemen, from Fox.
		Trump DOJ opens mortgage fraud probe into Eric Swalwell as Congressman vows to keep fighting back.
		Uh-huh.
		The DOJ under Trump has opened a probe into Swalwell over alleged mortgage fraud.
		In response, Swalwell said he was not surprised to be targeted by Trump.
		Quote, is the most vocal critic of Donald Trump over the last decade and is the only person who still has a surviving lawsuit against him.
		The only thing I am surprised about is that it took him this long to come after me.
		Like James Comey, John Bolton, Adam Schiff, and Lisa Cook, Letitia James, and dozens more to come.
		I refuse to live in fear in what was once the freest country in the world.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What a dork.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I will not end my lawsuit against him, and I will not stop speaking out against the president and speaking up for Californians.
		As Mark Twain said, patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it.
		Mr. President, do better, be better.
		He's such a probe, which was first reported by NBC, will investigate allegations of millions of dollars in loans and refinancing, which were based on Swalwell declaring that his primary residence was in Washington, D.C.
		A person familiar with the referral told the news organization.
		According to the report, director of the federal housing agency, Bill Pultey, sent Attorney General Pamboni a letter on Wednesday accusing Swalwell of possibly making false or misleading statements on loan documents.
		Heavens me.
		I can't believe Swalwell would do something so untoward.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just want to point, and this is the first thing that went like, what a door.
		Every time I hear a statement from this guy, I feel that way.
		But I have been the biggest critic of Donald Trump.
		Come on, bro.
		Don't try to like put yourself up on that lefty throne to pander to your audience.
		You've been the biggest critic.
		And also, why are all of these people investigated for mortgage fraud?
		Why is this something that they're able to pull charges up against them?
		The market's gotten so bad that, like, and these people have destroyed the economy so horribly that when like Jen Alpha and Zoomer crooked politicians come to office, like they won't even be able to investigate them for mortgage fraud because they're not even able to get one.
		That's how I feel about the situation.
unidentified		He's in a privileged position to be investigated.
		Yeah.
		I mean, the evidence for defaulting their clients.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		This is the worst Russian gate truther in Congress or tied with that other guy I hate.
		Isn't he also from California, the other horrible congressman, the worst Russia gate guys?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen, just real quick.
		People may be asking themselves, I don't know who this guy is.
		Who is he, Tim?
		He is this guy right here.
eric swalwell ▲ ● ▼		The evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.
eric swalwell ▲ ● ▼		And the complaint that I've heard from the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.
unidentified		And the complaint that I've heard from the evidence speaking is crazy.
unidentified		He had to be treating.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They claim it was a mug sliding across the table.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But look at Swalwell.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Grimaces.
eric swalwell ▲ ● ▼		It's uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.
eric swalwell ▲ ● ▼		And the complaint that I've heard from the evidence.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He couldn't hold it.
		He couldn't even hold it.
		Listen, he ripped the same thing out of both ends.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Everybody farts.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I got such a grudge against live TV.
		I don't care if they broke the law.
		Find something to persecute them for.
		Anyone who was involved in Russia Gate, all of them.
		And it begins with, because everybody blames Hillary Clinton because she's the most evil person in the world.
		But the person who really started it was John Brennan.
		And that was what came out in the documents, you know, that they finally started leaking out the secret addendum, the classified addendum to the Durham Report and all that showed.
		Prove that it was Brennan, the head of the CIA, who started this in the end of 15.
		And at least as far as we know for a fact, Hillary's team didn't even get on board till February or March.
		So it was the CIA and the FBI that started it.
		And then the Democrats were like, oh, we can help make this worse.
		Unless she may have had a secret meeting with Brennan that we don't know about or whatever.
		But as far as we know, Brennan and the CIA were the ones who started it.
		And nobody should ever be over that.
		That's no different than like Waco or lying us into a rack or shooting Jack Kennedy in the face in Dallas or whatever.
		They all but shot Trump in the face in Dallas with that Russia gate hoax.
		And it was 100% lie.
		And it was meant, as they said themselves, it was meant, well, if we can't do a coup and they didn't say coup, but if we can't overthrow him through the 25th Amendment, at least we can rein him in by continuing to pretend to investigate him for another two years.
		I mean, imagine you get elected the president of the United States and then the CIA and the FBI just frame you for treason and just completely end you know prevent you from exercising your authority whatsoever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hear you, but at this point, I'm it's it's fairly it's we're fair, it's a fairly demoralizing current state of events happening right now in the sphere for a variety of reasons.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I carry these vendettas around, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I have trouble.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump coming out and being like, bring on the H-1Bs, bring in the Chinese national college students.
		It's just kind of like, oh, well, we're cooked, I guess, because the economy is worse off than most people realize.
		Gen Z is checking out.
		The polls are showing this, that they don't care anymore.
		They feel like even Trump won't do anything for them.
		And you know what?
		I don't disagree because when Trump goes on TV and says there's no talent here, their response is going to be like, okay, see you later.
		Trump just lost the midterms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We talked about that last night.
		If kids aren't able to buy a house till they're 38 years old, that's the average age of someone getting their house.
		40, is it?
		And BlackRock's buying houses.
		You're going to see people that are homeless breaking into the houses owned by BlackRock and squatting, or there'll be a communist.
		That's where people are going socialists is because of this unfettered corporatism or corporatocracy.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's inflationary money, man, is at the core of all of this stuff.
		They debase the currency, and then every other thing is trying to make up for that.
		Why do we even have the massive immigration problem?
		We have the massive immigration problem because it's a conspiracy between, of course, the Democrats want all these new voters, but big business wants to try to ameliorate the upward pressure on wages.
		If you run a big company, you need your lower wage workers to be afraid to ask for a raise.
		And there's upward pressure on all prices.
		But it's also that's how they, and then we have all the problems.
		Also, the petrol, and then we got to do more police state action against that and on and on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With the petro dollar, we're basically telling the rest of the world, use our currency.
		It's good for something.
		The U.S. government is guaranteeing that if you have this currency, it can buy things for you.
		The problem is, if there are no people in this country and the economy shrinks, the petrodollar is worthless and nobody's going to trade for them.
		So they say, flood the country with any and everybody so that China will find value in our dollars.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And to your point, Scott, today, we were talking about this on PCC today.
		They made the last penny ever today.
		So they'll no longer be making pennies because it costs four cents to make a penny.
		And that's specifically causing inflation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you know?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Because a penny is now worth a tenth of a penny.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why.
		Did you guys know this?
		If you go to a bank with $100 and change it into a bunch of pennies, bring the pennies home and smelt them down, you'll go to prison for 100 years.
unidentified		Exactly.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you will.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You will go to jail.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But the fact that we have the Federal Reserve that is consistently saying we have to have some kind of inflation, as opposed to hard money, which you are extremely well informed about.
		This kind of behavior by the government is incentivized.
		And so they're always going to be trying to manipulate interest rates.
		They're going to try to get people to borrow money.
		And all this does is drive down the value of everyone's dollars.
		And that's part of the reason why we have the stock market bubble.
		Now we have an everything bubble, but that's part of the reason why the stock market continuously hits brand new highs all the time because people that have cash don't want to hold on to cash.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And look, this is what Ian just said too.
		He said to the youth, they're like, they told their whole life, this is capitalism.
		So what's the opposite of that?
		So then they start moving further left or they move further right toward nationalism away from free markets and property rights and what really provides prosperity.
		But it's the funny money.
		It's George Washington on the dollar because it's the government forcing you to accept it.
		You can only pay your taxes in their currency.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, they force us to use it and they and it's disrupting essentially all I hope that the G5 magnetic storm hits soon and just shuts down all technology and then we can be farmers again.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Bro, I just got my campaign funded, dog.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I need to make this show.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of good technology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need to buy chickens and get some arable land.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		If you, you can either have chickens with their funny little faces.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking on the way over, it's like our job, well, particularly your job because you're so famous right now to keep morale up of the world because technology is advancing so fast.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think a lot of the problems are going to get solved.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, AI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you guys seen Nanobanana?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, can we talk about the fact that the picture that you just posted of me on Twitter is real?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's not AI.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's real.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Scott took out his brain.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Scott kissed the wall.
unidentified		He got the crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I could see a way to get it.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I can see in the replies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People were like, I knew it.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I never trusted this guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I should have made it that you answered the phone.
		And then so, for those that don't get the reference, I tweeted an AI video of Scott pulling out an Israeli flag because that's how crazy it is right now with AI.
		But Nano Banana 2 accidentally apparently got leaked for a few hours.
		Was that Google's new AI for video and photo, which is so perfect, we're done.
		We are done.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, done is an understatement.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, people were posting a video of Trump and Epstein playing in a jazz band.
		And someone posted a picture of a whiteboard with the beginning of an equation and it said solve the equation.
		And it was perfect, indistinguishable from a real photo.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We are cooked.
		I'm not quite as blackpilled on AI because I think that once the novelty of it wears off, because it is still very new and people are learning how to have prompts make it do interesting things and stuff.
		I think that once the novelty wears off, there's going to be a lot of people that are creatives that are going to use it as a tool.
		We made the same remarks in the music industry about, oh, synthesizers are going to kill live music.
		They're going to stop doing it.
		And DJs were going to kill live music.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is totally different.
		I was watching videos of unarmed black men being shot that was AI.
		And I could tell it was AI, but it looked so dang real.
		And all of the comments were like, I can't believe this is still happening.
		It got to the point now where people know that videos of black men being killed by police go viral.
		And so they're making fake ones.
		And with all the body camera footage that we have, it even says Axion with the date.
		And the cop pulls the gun on.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's like, don't move, don't move.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The gun's like, shoots and kills him.
		And I was like, holy crap.
		That's an AI video.
		And you can barely notice.
		And it's got tens of thousands of shares, tens of, you know, thousands of comments and tens of thousands of likes.
		And the comments, I would say the overwhelming majority at the top were just saying things like, I can't believe it.
		This is wrong.
		A few people were like, this is AI.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They're going to have to make it a very serious crime to knowingly create and distribute false amendment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can't do it.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, people fell for your AI of me just now.
unidentified		Where you can tell my face looks all weird by the way.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Some people really bought it.
		And so look, I'm a bit torn.
		I think I definitely agree with your point about that you're never going to be able to believe video or audio again, at least very soon here.
		We're like really at that point.
		But like as far as the whole thing about them taking over kind of everything and like the full black pill on it, I'm not really there because it seems totally incompetent to me, which maybe that's just what I use it for.
		But AI is virtually always wrong.
		I got to argue with it about anything when I'm trying to like actually make some progress.
		But I'm not, you know, anyone took the video of a lot of different tasks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone took the video of you and changed it to you burning the Israeli flag.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Why did you do that, Scott?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		The agent information.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That means you're getting deported, right?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Trickler in here, and it didn't work.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Now you're getting deported because you burn the Israeli flag.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Get out of here.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I was born here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this next story.
		We got the Epstein hoax from Politico.
		The latest Epstein files knock White House on its heels.
		It's fake.
		And, you know, let me just say, I feel like everybody's demoralized right now for a variety of reasons.
		This tired old playbook, guess what?
		So this story drops in the morning.
		Democrats publish emails from Epstein implicating Trump, blah, blah, blah.
		You've got this email right here where it's like, Epstein says, I want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is Trump.
		Victim spent hours at my house with him.
		He has never once been mentioned, police chief, et cetera.
		I'm 75% there.
		Victim redacted.
		And I actually got messages from the press asking me, like, what do you think the reaction is going to be on the right now that Trump has been implicated with victims?
		Well, it turns out the victim mentioned was Virginia.
		That's Virginia Jufre.
		And why did Democrats redact the name?
		Because Virginia Duffrey already testified in multiple instances that Donald Trump never did anything.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Under oath, she said.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Under oath.
		And she said, I don't know if he ever did anything wrong.
		He just didn't do it anywhere near me.
		I never saw it happen.
		So if they put out the email and they did not redact the name, everyone would have thrown it in the garbage.
		But redacting the name makes it seem like, ooh, wow, I wonder who that is.
		What could Trump have done?
		It was another hoax from the Democrats.
		And I got to say, I am tired of the lies.
		They offer nothing politically.
		But at the same time, I have all these, I see these Democrats coming out being like, fail for it again, award.
		And I'm like, you guys are so retarded.
		You don't understand.
		My choice was Donald Trump's promises and you sociopaths who lie all the time.
		Of course, I'm going to go for Trump because he may be lying, but at least he's offering anything.
		Well, the worst thing for us is that Trump came out recently and said, we don't have talented workers here.
		We need H-1Bs and 600,000 visas for Chinese students.
		And I just put my feet up like, this is it.
		This is what we get from Democrats.
		Nothing.
		And Donald Trump says, we're going to do what Democrats planned on doing in the first place.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I thought he made a big mistake when he said that we have no talent.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I feel like he.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, he did clarify, but I agree he shouldn't have said it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And I disagree with his position on the H-1B.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I said this last night, too.
		He's got this disagreeable personality where if you get emotional and go right at him, just be like, no, you're wrong.
		Exactly opposite.
		And later he's like, that's not what I meant.
		He's not saying that there.
		What I think he meant is that there is greater talent out in the world than just in America.
		And some of the best and brightest minds in the world may be in other countries.
		Not that the people in America have no talent, but the way it came out sounded very demoralizing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It could really be like right now, we have the Democrats winning these elections, and the response on the GOP is, but they're blue states.
		Well, Virginia is not.
		I mean, it's blue-ish, leans blue, but it does, there's a great opportunity to win.
		And it was closing in New Jersey.
		Now, I do think it's interesting.
		A lot of people are claiming Democrats cheated.
		Democrats cheated.
		Democrats are claiming Trump cheated in 2024.
		I kid you not.
		Go look at their subreddits.
		They're hilarious.
		But New Jersey saw 500,000 new voters for the first time in decades, for real.
		If you look at the government.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty high number.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you look at the voter turnout for every gubernatorial election going back 10 elections, you'll see that they average 2 point something million.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Is there a reason they were doing it in an off-odd year here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They always do.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's their cycle.
		And so this year, the winner, who normally gets 1.3, got 1.7.
		And everybody's arguing saying Republicans didn't turn out.
		It's not true.
		If you look at the voter turnout for Jack Chittarelli, he actually surpassed the previous winner's total vote tally.
		Just that Democrats had 500,000 new voters somehow.
		So call it cheating, call it whatever you want, but it's demoralizing.
		Then Trump is saying things like this.
		And in the meantime, what's the big debate right now in the United States?
		Is it border policy?
		Is it affordability?
		Is it air travel crisis, government shutdown?
		No, it's Tucker Carlson having an interview with the wrong person and Candace Owens talking about the latest conspiracy on Charlie Kirk's assassination.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And Trump trying to demand that the Israeli president pardon the prime minister.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and that's worthless waste of time for me.
		And I wonder why he's not offering up any other advocacy for other nations whose world leaders may need pardons.
		But I'm sitting here looking at all of this and I'm just like, none of it says anything to Gen Z who are upset right now and abandoning MAGA.
		And we're seeing that in the polls.
		And then at the highest levels, it's just basically the pro-Israel, was it the Republican, what was that Republican convention that recently happened?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the Republican Jewish Coalition.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it's called?
		Where they're basically just holding up signs saying Tucker's not MAGA because Tucker interviewed Nick Fuentes, which who cares?
		It was one interview.
		And now you've got all of this drama.
		And I'm sitting here being like, is this what you, is this what everyone cares about?
		Is this it?
		Because I got to be honest, I was wondering why food is expensive or gas, why people are struggling right now.
		Inflation is bad.
		I think the economy is way worse than people realize or want to admit.
		And Trump is acting like it's not because he has to.
		Otherwise.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And because he doesn't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		And I think the reality is a bungalow in this area, a bungalow, $500,000.
		Three years ago was $250,000.
		50-year mortgages being offered up.
		I'm just sitting here being like, okay, maybe it's time we just turn everything off, buy some chickens, get some good arable land, and wait for the G5 magneto storm to wipe us out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We'll just build cool.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I got to talk about inflationary money more again.
		Because first of all, like this is at the core of the frustration that you're talking about about these young Gen Z people who they can't get a decent job.
		They went to college.
		They're saddled with all the student loan debt from the government jacked up prices and all that.
		And just simply the cost of being burritos is through the roof, dude.
		You can't eat.
		There's a thing.
		This is one of the five trucks.
		I think Tucker said this in his monologue last night.
		And I had read this before about Gen Z kids are buying food on credit.
		They're offering a pizza.
		Buy now, pay later.
		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With interest.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's called to just eat.
		Yeah.
		And that is completely out of control.
unidentified		And then when's the last time you went to five guys?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I'm actually not a five guys guy, but you go anywhere.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Prices are just literally insane.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		A couple burgers and a fry from five guys is like $45.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What insane.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And so look, so people, it's sort of like with Biden being too old for this.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to know anything about anything to just say, Jesus, I can't afford these prices.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, no, to your point.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		One more thing about this is: see, these are the good times.
		You're frustrated.
		Everything is expensive.
		This is because this is the inflationary bubble.
		If you're an asset owner, like we were talking about, you're making money now.
		This is the good time when things are getting less and less affordable for everybody on the lower end, right?
		The only solution to this inflationary crisis is a horrible crash and a recession and the calling in of all those bad loans, massive bankruptcies, massive layoffs, and total destruction of our economy like we had happened in 08.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got some questions.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		There's a solution to the crisis that you're describing now.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And that's because of inflationary money and the boom bust cycle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got a question for you guys.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to list you the food that I ordered today, and I want you to guess how much it costs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I got four pizzas, extra large, by the way, pepperoni, bacon cheese fries, 12 wings, garlic bread, and an order of ravioli.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		130.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		250?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Definitely at least 100.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		100.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		250.
unidentified		250.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A million.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		One million.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Million dollars.
unidentified		One million.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, once again, four extra large pizzas.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		$22 each.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's my guess.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		French fries, 12 wings, garlic bread, and an order of ravine.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		$250, maybe?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		$150, I think it's $250.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I nailed it.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Man, you did.
		I was like, this guy's exaggerating.
		And I was the one just ranting about high prices.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is there a few hyperinflation?
		Is that literal?
		Like, could it go like burger's a million bucks?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course you could.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And that's going to be very ugly.
		It's not going to be like, oh, burger's a million dollars.
		Better withdraw my asses.
		It's like, that's when people are going to get hurt real bad.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When they burn money from it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not advocating for that.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's what they call the crackup book.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They go after people.
unidentified		Yeah.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		This is what Mises called the crackup boom.
		When, as Ron Paul has warned, remember Ron Paul?
		Oh, he's on my shirt under this.
		The guy who was right about everything.
		Now, he doesn't put an exact time on this, but he says what happens is eventually people lose faith in the currency.
		And by people, because you're saying it is the global reserve currency, petrodollar, everything.
		When the people lose faith in the currency, that means the world loses faith in it.
		It means dollars all come floating home from all the vaults where they're sitting around the world.
		And yes, we are chopping dollars off, zeros off of our dollars, like Argentina, burning the stuff for, you know.
		Remember you've probably seen from Weimar Germany where the lady's got a wheelbarrow, fair dollars to go buy some bread.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you brought Weimar up because I agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the danger.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It truly is the danger.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		In the last time of inflationary money.
unidentified		You're right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I apologize.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You always get your W's and V's wrong.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So here's the thing about Weimar.
		And this is this crazy left-wing argument because I remember under Biden, they were saying, well, you know, like, I'd rather deal with inflation than get fascism.
		It's like, you idiot, inflation is how you get fascist.
		People react to it.
		You keep letting that happen.
		People snap.
		And when it does get to the point where a burger costs $100, $200, $500, and someone can't feed their family, you will not believe how ugly it will get.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And you will not believe it.
		Here point, Seamus, like the fact that the young generation now, like older Gen Alpha, young Gen Z, right?
		Even the people on the right, they're not free market right.
		They're socialist right.
		Well, then the government needs to step in.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And they get more and more populists, more and more interventionists because of the failures of intervention.
unidentified		Exactly.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The future that we're looking at, and we've talked about it a little bit here, it's either socialism or Zumerwaffen, right?
		Like you're talking about nationalists on the right that believe the government has to step in and do these things because they don't have any access to actual property.
		They don't own anything.
		So they look to the government, and that's how you end up with some kind of national socialist government.
		And let's just say they have no buy-in to the capitalist system.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's say we're a couple of cycles away from it getting that bad.
		But even in the meantime, financial stress means broken marriages.
		They mean failed businesses.
		They mean children in foster care.
		They mean society disrupted.
		And at the Federal Reserve, they keep all these charts.
		They know when they turn the screw this way or they turn the screw this way that they are destroying people's lives.
		And they consider there's a book like the Washington Post version of Jekyll Island.
		It's called Secrets of the Temple by Greerder.
		And he talks about how it's like their highest virtue.
		But they will let the people suffer in order to do the right thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got to explain this to these weak men out there that in hard times can't keep a marriage together.
		Went to Stonewall Jackson's house.
		It's in Winchester.
		You can go there.
		And it's a tour.
		It's fantastic.
		And in the kitchen, there was a musket above where they cooked in a little fireplace or whatever.
		And that musket was for.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Did it say if I get divorced shooting as well?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You take it off the wall, open the back door, and point it until you see a critter, and you shoot the critter and you throw it in the stew, and that's dinner.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that's how we used to live.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if you're worried because you can't get your ground beef patties from the supermarket, the reality is it is unfortunate.
		We shouldn't have to live worse than the generation previous to us, and our economy was mismanaged.
		But my point simply here is: maybe we're going to have to go back to the way things used to be.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But the thing is, that process is going to be ugly.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Like if you have a hamster that's been indoors in the suburbs and you're going to be able to get it, and you just let it out, you know, into the wild, it's going to be dead in an hour, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, bro, bro.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You can't just run to that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If the economy collapses, this is not a joke.
		Deer go extinct.
		This is not a joke.
		This actual estimate is that if the economy were to grind to a direct stop and in major cities, there's no food.
		First, within three days, you get cannibalism in cities because some people will flee.
		Traffic will be jammed up.
		There's no fuel.
		People will be riding bikes until their tires burst.
		Others staying in the cities will have no water and no food after perishables expire and they'll start killing and eating each other.
		Within a few days, it can get to that point, not because of food.
		There's canned goods everywhere.
		They'll get consumed rapidly, but then people have no water.
		But in the suburbs, into the rural areas, just outside, you are going to have millions of people killing any and every deer they see.
		Pigeons, squirrels, rabbits, they all get wiped out.
		Not a joke.
		All these animals are extinct in these areas.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		What's the first cause of this?
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If the collapse of the dollar?
		So let's just put it this way.
		If the G5 storm hit and knocked out the grid and our economy grinded to a halt.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So you're talking no electricity.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		No electricity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No food coming in.
		No transport, no fuel.
		Let's just say all modern infrastructure is gone.
		Within a few days, people are dehydrating.
		The rivers run sour with human waste and garbage.
		It gets real bad.
		And then imagine just in the suburbs, every rabbit is gone.
		Every pigeon is gone.
		Every sparrow is gone.
		Squirrels are gone.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Cats, house pets.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cats, house pets, all wiped out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And deer go extinct.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Tell me more about these solar storms.
unidentified		The Federal Reserve has a solar storm button at the other end of it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's a book called One Minute After, and it talks about what an EMP would do and basically what the breakdown of society that happens if you basically turn off the electricity.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the death toll, not just of wild animals.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I'm very dubious about it.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		The sun could do it, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me pull this story up.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me pull the age.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How about we pull this story up from Fox Weather?
		Northern lights dazzle across lower 48 during G4 geomagnetic storm, the strongest solar flare of 2025.
		They're ranked from G1 to G5.
		Let me play a little bit of this for you guys, if it looks.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Aurora Fest here on Fox Weather at night.
unidentified		This is a picture that we just had sent in to us via the QR code that you see on your screen.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Thanks a lot, Tina Peterson.
		That's Urban Dale, Iowa.
		Goodness, that is something else, isn't it?
unidentified		Wow.
		You got the pinks, you've got the reds, you got the purples, you got some greens in there, too.
		Here's another one: Anaconda, Montana.
		I like it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Cameron Bright.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Cameron Bright is the name.
unidentified		That was from Montana.
unidentified		My bad on that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Trenton, Texas.
unidentified		How about that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Texas.
unidentified		Yeah, so you can see on some of these pictures, there's like a slight edit here or there.
unidentified		You know, a lot of people will try some of the long exposures.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes it's not perfectly visible to the naked eye.
		But I think it.
		Central Texas.
		I was talking with Ben Davidson.
		He's a space weather guy.
		His Twitter handle is, let me make sure I get it right.
		Sun Weather.
		I can't see it right now because it's Sun Weatherman.
		At Sun Weatherman.
		And he made an interesting point.
		He said, there have been 10 instances where we were able to see the aurora in the lower 48 in the past 100 years.
		Five of those instances were in the last two years.
		So I don't know how many of you saw the pink sky being posted across the Bordenecks from central Texas of all places where they could see it on the horizon.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Now, you mentioned the weakening of the magnetic field.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the point is, this was a massive storm so powerful that the northern lights stretched way down to northern Texas.
		Some people posted photos from Florida of them being able to see this.
		And what Ben has argued is that the magnetosphere has been weakening.
		That's our shield against these storms.
		He actually posted the other night that this is on the 11th.
		If the storm did not abate and if it kept it up for about 10 or 10 minutes longer, we'd be in the stone age.
		But fortunately, it did recede and weaken.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		10 minutes longer and the field would have collapsed or what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, maybe he's wrong, whatever.
		But his point was, he said, if this doesn't end, the world ends tonight.
		He said that on the 11th.
		Maybe he's just being sensational, but at least I will stress this.
		When in your lifetimes do you recall the entire sky turning pink, stretching all the way down to Texas?
		So maybe he's wrong.
		It's, oh, wow, look at this.
		But I'll tell you one thing.
		Billionaires are building underground bunkers in New Zealand and in Montana.
		They're building mountain bunkers.
		They recently announced a few years ago they're renovating Mount Weather.
		The question is, for what reason are the wealthiest individuals preparing to go underground?
		Honestly.
		Maybe, but they certainly are preparing for something.
		And Ben Davidson's argument is we could be looking at the big one, a polar shift, which weakens the magnetosphere, and then we get blasted by solar activity, and it fries the grid and sends us back to the stone age.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		You know, I read a thing that was saying that they thought that we're near a stage for the flipping of the magnetic reversal of the poles and all that.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So I could see, yeah, that would be bad timing for the sun to be extremely active during that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you live in New York when this happens, someone will eat your body.
		It's not even a joke.
		You will get eaten.
		You will be food.
		No one in New York City knows where their water comes from.
		I can't remember.
		Where does the drinking water in New York City come from?
unidentified		Hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nobody knows.
		Springs.
		There's water that runs down, a river that runs down into New York, and it's actually elevated, which supplies them with a decent amount of natural water pressure.
		But when the water stops flowing because these pumps and these systems shut down, where will you drink water?
		So what are these people going to do?
		You are going to have, what, you got 2 million people who live on Manhattan Island fleeing in every direction.
		The argument that I've given, what I told people is, I'm going to hear rustling and chickens screaming.
		I'm going to run out to my chicken coop with my shotgun, and there's going to be a hipster guy with big bicycle handlebar mustache, and he's going to have his cuffs filled up.
		And he's going to be grabbing one of my chickens, and I'm going to be like, don't move.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He's like, I'm so hungry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he's going to try running off with one of my birds because these people are going to flee the cities desperate.
		Now, the people who stay, because they don't know where to go, or they got young kids, people are going to be drinking blood.
		It's not an exaggeration.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I've said that.
		There's this old televangelist who used to say this.
		If God doesn't smite America, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.
		We are just getting to that point here.
		I'm sorry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's factory farming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's factory farming.
unidentified		Is there anything in the Bible about pink skies?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's actually interesting because I know this is not in the Bible, but in Fatima, there is a, Or in the revelations of Fatima, there's some discussion about signs in the sky, but that's usually related to the Second World War because there was an aurora.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		There was like an unusually low aurora in the sky right at the very beginning of the Second World War.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think we're experiencing what's called the Zanabikov effect.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You could pull up a video of it, Tim.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		There's like a sign in the sky in Revelation, but it's not described this way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When a magnet rotates in space, it flips occasionally and then it continues to rotate and then it flips again and keeps.
		It's called the Zanabikov effect.
		You can pull up a video of it.
		It's basically because there's no flat lines.
		There's no straight lines in reality.
		We're always bending and tilting and magnets when they start to fall over.
		They spin really fast and they twist.
		This is about to face.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And that's happened to Earth many times.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I tell from the rock.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I asked Rock how many times in the past hundred years was the aurora visible in Texas.
		And it said in the last 100 years between 1925 and 2025, six to eight times the aurora has been visible in Texas.
		And then it says the ongoing solar cycle has increased occurrences four to five events since 2023.
		That is, of the six to eight, four to four to five of them occurred in the last two years.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		How long is this sunspot cycle supposed to last before it calms down?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's peaking right this, it's peaking this year, and the lowest point of the cycle will be 2030, I believe.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's now going to start going down, meaning this may be big.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then 2035, I think, would be the next big one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we got 10 years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what Ben said.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's make it happen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's why.
unidentified		What do you mean, let's make it happen?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's it.
		Let's make it happen, Seamus.
		It is what AI is helping us build.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Graphene Faraday cages?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		Stuff.
		First, we need our power lines underground.
		For sure.
		We need our power.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		We won't harden all our circuits against poles.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Underwater.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So technically, the issue is that this would be.
		I'm not going to presume to know what degree of protection you're going to need, but the point is, underground is not protected.
		Underwater.
		Underwater is arguably not protected because it has to make contact at land at some point.
		And the issue is that the currents are going to fry every system.
		So your undersea cables may be working, but they're connected to nothing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they're underground and underwater, if we could somehow create layers of fluid on top of an underground power lines, that might be the only way to reach out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have to come up, Ian, so we can use them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Directly up into that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that will fry the systems.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, really, we should all have our own power source, ultimately.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We should all be able to.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a matter of the quality of the circuits, right?
		I mean, the military circuits are made to spec to be resistant against H-bomb EMP pulses.
		So that may not be the same for all of our electricity infrastructure and all of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Definitely not.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		But it could just be a matter of figuring out.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, if the sunspots are going to launch, if they're going to shoot this much radiation at us, then our circuits need to be made of this quality copper to withstand the pulse or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let's just pause or cook in them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the problem if our grid was wiped out when by the stone age?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's water?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Water is number one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No islands.
		That makes no sense.
		Let me ask you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Getting water.
unidentified		What do you?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're asking, Scott.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, you are not listening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why is it a problem if we lose all our technology?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We don't know how to do anything without it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We're entirely dependent on it.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		All the suffering you already described.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Our collective.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Our society.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have very high technology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, wait, hold on.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		We have very productive farming, and that would end.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's what we're doing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who is our society?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We are, but as individuals, our ability to cooperate is dependent upon this technology.
		Each of us is individuals.
		Society is made of people.
		And our ability to cooperate is heavily contingent upon the technological infrastructure we've built up to enhance the cooperation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So again, what would the problem be?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We'd be incapable of communicating, trading, producing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who is we?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Individual human beings living in the society that you're describing would be incapable of carrying on in the way that we are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why am I dependent upon this?
unidentified		Why is that?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I will die.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You will die?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Many people will, I hope not.
		I'm not that.
		A lot of people built different.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		You were just describing what would happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My point is the argument, unfortunately, comes to a point where there will be a logical conclusion it would be a good thing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		For every oh, no, I agree.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It could be if it's God's will.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Compared to what flood was a good thing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
		It was God's will.
		Yeah, I wasn't saying.
		And I thought you might be going there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was getting you there.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We need to protect our son.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If society got to the point where there was wanton child sacrifice, mutilation, degeneracy, drug abuse, just sin, gambling, vice, casinos popping up everywhere, borders collapsing, war in the Middle East.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		America resembles that remark.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My point is, there may come a point where someone says, maybe it's time to build the boat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't agree.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have microcosmic economies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying it's right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying there is a point at which people would say it is, it's the flood.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Is there not an element of just escapist fantasy involved in this?
		Not only what we're talking about, but also Gen Z's pathological obsession with the idea that we're going to face climate collapse within our lifetimes, or at least within Gen Z's lifetime.
		Like they fantasize about living in a world where they have to surrender to circumstances that are too overwhelming for them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but those people would starve to death.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, so what?
		We're all just supposed to start a homestead?
		Like, that's not a viable plan for most people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's too bad for most people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Most people don't make it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Life was never fair.
		And only in the last hundred years did people think they could live off the government teat and not have to work.
		There's that viral video of the 17-year-old, or not 17-year-old, the guy with $17,000 in his bank account.
unidentified		And he's like, why do I have to work?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, bro, you would have not survived 200 years ago.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Modern society.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Or he would have been way cooler.
		You know what I mean?
		He would have built up his ability to do things.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		The thing is, we get more and more productive all the time.
		And so you need, for example, fewer and fewer farmers to feed bigger and bigger cities full of people.
		And, you know, there's a famous economist back a couple hundred years ago named Malthus who said we're overpopulated.
		There's too many people to feed.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He was a dirty dog.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And then he was discredited because people realize that, yeah, no, you need more people to produce more, to feed more, and it works.
		And as long as it's really, it's property and freedom and free exchange that allow for society to create the things that we need for each other to prosper.
		So I think as bad as things are right now, as bad as you can imagine them getting, there's always ways to move positively forward rather than praying for the asteroid or the H-bomb to come.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to throw it back to Seamus, who said, if God does not smite the United States.
unidentified		It didn't come from the original anthology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I brought up this point that there is a logical point by which things could get so bad.
		People would, like, I know the giant meteor of death is a meme.
		It's a joke.
		Like, we don't really want to get wiped out.
		There is a point by which people would be like, police and the meteor of death.
		Not the meteor.
		The EMP is a better example because it resets everybody to baseline.
		And it's basically like the Hunger Games.
		Good luck, you might win.
		Probably not.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The meteor is, you're dead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Serge and I. I'm with Musk on this.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Everybody gets their own Millennium Falcon colonized galaxy.
unidentified		Sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Good luck.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Serge and I were talking about this the other day, but you have these different environmental adaptations people develop over time that gave them a better ability to survive.
		But now with the processed foods, it's actually like bad for you.
		And it's like, dude, 300 years ago, I would have dominated your village, but now I get rashes from bread.
		It's like, it just completely inverts and subverts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When you see morbidly obese people on SNAP benefits, I'm like, that's a really, really bad thing for a functioning society.
		There's that viral, this viral video of the woman who just won in Seattle, the commie, and she was like, no, what did you say?
		No longer will food be only for those who can afford it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, when has it ever been that way in the United States?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And anyone who's memory.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about the math of this, it's deficit economics that we will constantly take from those who produce and give to those who don't ultimately result in you run out of money in your bank account.
		That's communism.
		It doesn't work.
		So we are headed to that point whether we want it to or not.
		Whether it's going to be a giant G5 magnetic storm, which wipes out the grid, or productivity just halts because communist governments are rising up and stealing everyone's resources.
		We are getting to the point where you're going to really wish you were homesteading.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Hey, already they downgraded American debt.
		We're at $38 trillion.
		Somebody, you got so many people in this room.
		Somebody pull up the chart that shows the federal spending, they spend more now in the budget, more on interest on debt than for the military, for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.
		The number one thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the biggest.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's the fourth thing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It hasn't beaten Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security yet.
unidentified		No.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But it has beat them.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking, I saw a line graph that.
unidentified		It's coming.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's very close.
		But see, this is to me is almost the worst outrage.
		Where does it show the interest on the debt?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Top left.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the interest?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		$38 trillion.
		The interest payments?
		Yeah, where's that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, U.S. total interest paid is at $5.6 trillion.
unidentified		Oh, my gosh.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Does it say like the yearly interest on the debt?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the debt clock, interest on debt net is $968 billion.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so that's equivalent to the Pentagon.
		Right.
		So, and just, so think about it like this.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And this is just to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, our debt to GDP ratio is 121.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So think of all the payroll taxes that you pay and that you have paid your whole life, everything that you put into this.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Like, not only did that money not go to help some little old lady in the hospital or even go to kill a Palestinian, it just went to pay the interest on the debt to the central bank of South Korea.
unidentified		Oh, whoa.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You make, wait, hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My tax dollars are paying off debt instead of killing Palestinian kids.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This is an outrage.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's going simply to nothing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's not helping old ladies.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		This whole conversation, so much of this conversation has been how people are absolutely desperate.
		Their unaffordability of everything.
		They can't buy a house.
		They can't buy food.
		People are absolutely desperate.
		They're turning to socialist and hard nationalist politics and all of this stuff.
		And then their payroll tax, if they have a job at all, is going to nothing.
		To nothing.
		I mean, that to me is like the national government just being at war with the American people.
		That interest on the debt compares at all with any of the transfer programs or the cost of the American world empire just to pay interest.
		And who holds those bonds?
		Foreign central governments, central banks use those American securities as gold bucks in there.
unidentified		It doesn't matter that you could possibly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter if it's a solar storm or a flood or social disorder.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This economic system is about to implode and nothing will stop it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Reducing costs could slow it down.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's either going to be this exposed, we go to crypto and there's going to be a totalitarian system that comes in and saves the day and people become part of this communistic machine, or we reduce costs by reducing fuel by creating hydrogen and from petroleum to hydrogen system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, that's what they're going to fix it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ian, those are the two things I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One thing that's wrong with your assessment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's only 40 million Gen Alpha.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nothing, nothing, nothing.
		No system you can implement is going to change that fact.
		Cheaper economics are rooted in the amount of people that can exist to sustain a system.
		Now, by all means, people say, don't worry, we'll automate those jobs.
		You can't automate customers.
		So you don't need to hire a robot to run your Taco Bell if no one's buying Taco Bell.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We don't need money.
		Money's of a construct.
		We don't need to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Money is a universal trade medium to exchange labor between peoples.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right now it is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If there's no people, there's no economy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So nothing you're proposing will change what is happening.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's 40 million, Alpha.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There are people, and people can have six kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if you have 80 million people who are mid to high level and older, and they need 80 million entry-level workers, but they only get 40 million, what happens?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		H-1Bs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not going to supply us with 40 million workers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Democrats clearly tried, but once again, you can't replace middle managers, assistant managers, with Honduran farmers or cartel drug traffickers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Our system's pretty bloated.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we need all the companies that exist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, agreed.
		Now let's pause here.
		And once again, we have a financial system built upon the needs of 330 million people.
		And we are going to have 300 million in 20 years.
		It doesn't matter.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The system's not built on the needs of the 330.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The system's built by the Federal Reservists and the systems.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Ian, you got to stop because you're going to stop because you're wrong.
		Okay.
		The system that we have, for all of its faults, needs to support the food and water distribution of 336 million people.
		If at any point water becomes more expensive than the labor a person can produce, the system collapses and people start massacring each other.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Water is number one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Water's number one.
		If the system cannot sustain that water, fortunately, it's very easy and it can.
		In fact, it can with food too.
		The problem isn't our access to food and water.
		It's there are no people anymore.
		So this means you're not going to go to a 50-year-old man and say, you have to work at McDonald's now.
		He's going to say no.
		And then the other problem is there's a franchise that owns 10 Taco Bells, and he's going to say, it's okay.
		We don't need 18-year-olds anymore.
		We have Optimus.
		The problem, your Taco Bell employed by Optimus, only gets one or two customers per day.
		So then they say, there's no point in having Taco Bell, and it shuts down.
		The economy will implode.
		If no matter what, unless we get 40 million more people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people start having a bunch of kids.
		He went to college.
		But no, but here's an introduction to young people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's too late.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Spend more time with young people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's too late to have the kids.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, what are you talking about?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's never too late.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is too late to have the kids, Ian, because Generation Alpha is already at 15 to 16 years old.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why are you still here?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's the point if there's no hope?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No hope for what?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		There's no hope for this system.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He's not saying there's no hope for the world.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I said the system is going to collapse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nothing you can do will stop it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why would you still be here then?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the point?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's no hope, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Ian, you are consistently jumping the gun, and you're like in your own mind off in some ways.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's no people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right after you said there's 40 million Gen Alpha, so you use some weird hyperbole.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, obviously.
		Gen Alpha is literally 42 million.
		That's a statistical fact.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's plenty of people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
unidentified		But you need 80 million per generation to sustain.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Ian, if you have a child today, how many years until they're 18?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		18 years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So how will having kids today put workers in the workplace today?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We won't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The system will collapse.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What workers are you looking to make right now?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We need to repeal child labor laws.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do not have enough 18-year-olds to enter the workforce to provide low-skilled labor and to be the customer basis for the existing expansive infrastructure for a fractional reserve banking system that survives off of exponential growth through debt.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The system will collapse.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		System probably will end up if not collapsed.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Buy more guns and ammunition because that'll be the new currency.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's train bottle caps.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How to shoot bottle caps.
		The point is this: the Ponzi scheme that was built in 1913 and in the years following it requires an ever-growing population that is impossible.
		The extraction of our wealth, Scott knows this, to fund wars overseas requires that you keep adding more people to the system because you're racking up debt and then shoveling more labor in it to produce more tax revenue to mask that you've extracted a labor from the system without exchanging anything for it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Here's a question for Scott.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		End result is we don't have enough people and the system explodes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, explodes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is part of that needing more people, needing more people also to send them to die?
		Why do they send all these people to die in wars?
		Is that intentionally to shave off the population?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, the overall casualties are in the thousands.
		I mean, there's 7,000 American GIs died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
		You can add another 30,000 suicides, but statistically compared to the population of the country, that's not going to hurt your overall.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's how, here's, let me explain it.
		10 people are sitting around and they each exchange an apple with each other or a copper coin.
		And they all do it.
		Let's simplify to two people.
		You and I, Ian.
		I grow wheat, you turn it into bread.
		You give me bread, I give you more wheat.
		You take a little bit of the extra bread for yourself.
		I take the bread to eat it and grow the wheat and give it to you.
		That's our economy.
		Eventually, we add multiple layers to this.
		Now there's a guy who does the milling and we say, well, hold on.
		How do we keep track of this?
		Money.
		So I say, I'll give you this coin and you trade it with him so that proves you did the work.
		He'll trade it with me so it proves I did the work.
		And then we can simplify the exchange so we can all keep eating.
		Along comes Scott, the fractional reserve banking system, and he says, let me be in charge of the money.
		Trust me.
		Then instead of doing any work, he just makes another coin and then goes to me and takes my wheat from me.
		Then you come and say, where's the wheat?
		I'll say, I sold it.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To who?
		How?
		No one did any labor.
		He sold it off to China.
		Now we're all like, we have no wheat, we have no trade anymore.
		He disrupted our economy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Where's the revolution against the central banking system?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's coming with Zumer Waffen and the commies.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can we do it in a less draft?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Look, the reality is, and look, let me be clear for young people watching this: the communists and the far right, they don't know anything about central banking.
		It's the libertarians, the Austrian school economists, Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard, the guys at the Mises Institute and the Libertarian Institute and related organizations.
		George Mason University has some good people.
		They're the ones who understand hard money and what real capitalism is about.
		And it's such a lie.
		And I'm really, I think it's one of the most dangerous things going on in the country right now is that all young people are told this is capitalism, this capitalism, it's late stage capitalism, blah, blah.
		Well, then what's the opposite of that?
		They think it must be socialism.
		I guess if this is private property, then I guess we want the government to own everything, which is the most idiotic goddamn thing in the world.
		But to them, that's the binary choice that they're going to see they're making.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In any crisis, reason will be the first casualty.
		So when this system breaks down and the libertarians go to the right and the left and say, guys, we can solve this economic issue in a matter of five to ten years.
		If we do this, the left screams off with his head and the right screams.
		Go back to Reddit.
		Well, no, the right screams like build our communities and isolate and get away from these guys.
		So you'll offer the solution.
		The people on the right are going to be like, we've heard enough from the politicians.
		We're going to go take care of ourselves.
		Your system be damned.
		The left is going to say, chop his head off.
		So there's not going to be a reasoned debate.
		They're going to say, I'm hungry and I don't care.
		And what we're seeing right now is the macro consequences of economic failure in New York and Seattle.
		For example, Ian, what do you think would happen if there are two houses in the middle of nowhere?
		There's a man and a woman who lives in one house and they have a bunch of food.
		And there's a man and a woman with three children in the other house with no food.
		And they're completely isolated by, like, I don't know, an earthquake happens and they can't escape.
		What do you think happens?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they're near each other, but no one else can probably come together first and be like, are you okay?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We don't have any food.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I said one house has one house has food and a man and a woman.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One house has a man and a woman and three kids and no food.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They would probably come together to seven people and then be like, hey, there's seven of us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can we make this work?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's no way to grow food.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the likely scenario is going to be the man goes to their house and puts a bullet in the head of the man and the woman and says, I'm sorry, my children need to eat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you want to live in the jungle, I mean, I'm not going to be able to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's how it always is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, it's if you want to live.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because if you got, like, if you got kids, as we have seen, if there's an earthquake, you don't go shoot your neighbor.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What's talking about total systemic collapse, not like an earthquake?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I literally said you're isolated by earthquake from anyone else, and there's two houses next to each other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What happens?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to go shoot your neighbor.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We're not saying it's a good legal strategy.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian's making a really great example of the folly of modern man.
		So isolated from the realities of history and the world.
		I know that he's like, this wouldn't, the deep.
		No, I'm talking about a millennia of history of this planet and what humans have done when their children starve.
		And it's not up for democracy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you eat your wife?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In all throughout history.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you eat your wife when the food runs out?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, welcome to the Donner.
unidentified		But Ian, if it's between eating your wife and going after your neighbor, Tim, would you eat your wife if the food ran out?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, men die first.
		God, you know, Ian, you have no idea what you're talking about, okay?
		Men die first because of high caloric needs and high muscle mass, and women have lower caloric needs.
		They're smaller and they have more fat.
		So the men die first, and the women eat the men.
		Don't you know anything?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's literally true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the Donner party, the men all died because they had higher caloric needs, and the women are the ones who ate the body.
		However, several of the Donner Party refused to cannibalize and they starved to death themselves and then got eaten.
		The point is this.
		In every single example of human history, men will massacre to save their children.
		There's no question about it.
		Some will not, and they will be food, and they will be.
		What's the saying?
		To all the people who don't buy guns, thank you for collecting food for me after the apocalypse happens.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the argument.
		The point is this.
		That is the micro.
		That is history.
		You can look at any period in history and watch what happens when there is no food.
		People will kill and steal and take what they have to to feed who they have to.
		And it's not always easy.
		And sometimes everybody starves.
		That being said, why do they do it?
		Because a man will not watch his children starve to death.
		He won't do it.
		And he will do whatever he has to do to save them.
		So what happens in the macro?
		Right now in New York and Seattle, they're doing politically the same thing.
		The politician comes to them and says, you don't have what you want.
		You can't afford a house.
		You struggle to buy food and you're putting on credit cards.
		I will steal it from other people to give to you and they clap and cheer for it.
		That only works for a short period of time.
		Already in New York, the middle-income people are fleeing the city.
		I think the Exodus is already, it's like 40, 40-something thousand people have estimated to have left already.
		And in the past few years, 600,000 people have left New York City.
		Mom Donnie is saying, I'm going to tax people to pay for you.
		And so those people said, later, what happens then?
		You can only function in a deficit system for so long.
		If they are extracting the resources from those who work and distributing it among those who don't, eventually no one is producing anything and the system implodes.
		The same is true for, as you describe it.
		A man can only steal so much food for his children before he has to eat his own family or die.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Wait, are we kind of conflating on one hand, like the question of the coming economic crash that's coming one way or the other versus full communism and Mao Se Tongue starves everybody to death and we all eat each other and getting hit by a giant solar flare that knocks out all electricity?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm not sure that we all got to eat each other just after the next crash because we've had crashes and then we generate a newspaper.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, what I'm saying is don't take it too far.
		My point is, in history, in the micro, the individual level, humans have killed other people to take for their families.
		But when I'm saying America is very wealthy, my point is right now in New York City, they're not murdering each other.
		They're voting to take money from the wealthy.
		It is the same function, just at the macro.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I agree with you that like if they keep going that way, it'll just be a ghost town and everyone will just move somewhere else where they can actually earn a living and keep it and all that.
		So don't get me wrong, things can get bad, but I'm saying, I mean, basically, even if you think about like the crash of 08, there's trillions of dollars were destroyed.
		It's just, it was an absolute catastrophe.
		And yet still, as Robert Higgs, the great economist, instructed me at the time, you look at the United States of America.
		We got a lot of highways.
		We got a lot of factories.
		We got a lot of trucks.
		We got a lot of warehouses.
		We've got a lot of guys with strength and skill.
		And we have universities full of engineers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Our universities are going out of business.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Not rice.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Rice is popping right now.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		The communists, half of them are, but the engineering schools are closing now.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't heard that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because there's no 18-year-olds to go to them.
		So we've seen a wave of prominent centuries-old universities closing because there's no young people.
		Again, Gen Alpha is, Ian, you went to a single university.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, rice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, congratulations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The plural of anecdote is not data.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's young people at a university.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you just said young people aren't setting up university up to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The plural of anecdote is not data.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But you just said there are no young people going to universities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is a figure of speech, Ian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are you daft?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you want to use hyperbole, then I'm not going to be able to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is not hyperbole.
		It's called a generality.
		When the young generation is half the size of the previous, universities who require 18-year-old entrants don't have them.
		They go out of business.
		If no one is around to buy lunch, your grocery store goes out of business.
		There used to be a restaurant down the street out of business.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nobody was shopping there.
		So when you have 40 million Gen Alpha, the incoming universities in the next two years will see a 50% shortfall in admissions.
		Who's going to pay their tuitions?
		They're going to start shutting down rapidly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think that's really.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this is an important, I recommend you guys watch Birth Gap documentary on YouTube.
		It's free.
		No society has ever recovered from this level of a birth rate.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Bro, I was raised Catholic.
		I don't need a documentary to tell me that.
		Like my whole childhood, my parents just sounded the alarm on this stuff.
		Like, listen, we're a contraceptive society.
		People aren't having children.
		Eventually, that has a fallout.
		Eventually, you can't run the economy.
		Eventually, nothing is able to be produced.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Is there one particular cause that you focus on that seems to be the major cause of the decline in birth rates and all that?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So the interesting thing is— I'm just going to blame inflation again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Watch this documentary.
		It's actually not a decline in family size proportionate to families.
		People who have families have the same amount of kids proportionate to each other as they always have throughout all of history.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what's happened is there's a massive explosion of childless women.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But wasn't the average number of children in a family in the 60s significantly higher?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the same.
		Watch the birth gap documentary.
		It's brilliant.
		They point out that families relative to each other, the birth rate is the exact same.
		It's just that in recent history, there's been an explosion of childless women.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Feminism.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		But I listen, and granted, this, I'll give you this.
		This is anecdotal.
		I can only give you my own experience without having the data.
		But when you talk to old, like when I talk to my parents, when I talk to my friends' parents, they'll all tell you families with six kids were very common at that time.
		They're not anymore.
		My mom came from six.
		My dad came from five.
		Almost no one I grew up with had that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I recommend you look at the data.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I will.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Family size in the 1960s was 3.67.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		In 2022, the average family size had decreased to 3.13.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And here's the problem with that data, which confused everybody, which is why I recommend watching BirthGap.
		That's averaging single women along with families.
		interesting or that's that's that's averaging like is it Yes.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It is saying average family size.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so that's that's so after they've paired up.
		So in that's not including.
		I recommend watching the documentary and going through their data.
		And maybe it's wrong.
		Maybe this documentary is incorrect and I'm citing bad data.
		The point they made is we have seen an explosion of childless women, which has skewed the fertility rate lower than it used to be.
		But the percentage of people who had six, five, four, three, two kids relative to each other has always stayed the same.
		So by all means, that could mean theoretically family size is smaller.
		It means if you have a family of two, they're going to make up 20% of families.
		A family of three is going to make up 40%.
		A family of five plus is going to make up 6% of families.
		The problem now is you have an explosion of childless women.
		There's no recovering from it because it creates an economic death spiral.
		So I've explained this before.
		Let me explain it again.
		If you have a, for Ian, I'll explain it.
		You have a town of 100 people and one grocery store.
		That grocery store makes a 3% margin on all of its sales and says things are going great.
		Everybody lives there goes to old Ian's grocery store and they have all of their needs met.
		One day there's a oil is found and this company comes in and says we need to bring in 100 new people to get this oil out of the ground.
		So they build a bunch of houses, hire 100 people, and now the town has 200 people.
		Guess what?
		200 people, that's too many people for one grocery store.
		So a second grocery store pops up on the other side of town.
		There's now two grocery stores, both with a 3% margin.
		20 years later, the oil is dried up.
		The company leaves.
		Now there's no job for half of the people who are working in the oil industry.
		So they leave as well.
		You now have 100 people and two grocery stores.
		The newest grocery store that opened for the oil company doesn't simply go, guess we'll go out of business.
		They say, we got to take on debt to stay open because we're having hard times.
		What happens then is, instead of the 100 people going back to the original grocery store, they split their business between the two of them.
		Both of them now drop down below 100%.
		They're no longer at a 3% above board.
		They're now in the red and slowly piling on debt and going out of business.
		Two years of this, they can't pay back their lenders.
		They both go out of business.
		And now the original 100 people no longer have a grocery store.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Or they merge and one buys the other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's typically not what happens in these economies.
		Typically, what happens is they compete with each other and one will take on debt and say, we're going to weather through this.
		At the macro level, what we're seeing, you can't easily track why it is your sales are going down in this way.
		We've got four sweet frogs in 20 miles of us right now.
		How many do you really need?
		I can drive 20 minutes to go to any one of these places, but they can sustain this amount of people.
		If half the people leave, the Winchester sweet frog in the Martinsburg aren't going to decide they are going out of business.
		They're going to be like, screw you, you go out of business.
		I'm not shutting down.
		I'm going to lower my prices.
		I'm going to put water in my yogurt.
		I'm going to do whatever I can to attract people so I don't lose my living.
		This is what happens.
		Now, compare that same phenomenon to the birth rates.
		You need a certain requirement of people to sustain your grocery stores, your railroads, your roads, and you don't have them.
		So everything starts breaking down.
		Now, people can't afford to eat.
		They can't afford houses.
		Nobody's building houses.
		Guess what?
		Can't afford a house.
		Can't have a family.
		Can't have kids.
		So what happens?
		You don't have kids.
		So what happens?
		The birth rate goes down even further and it's a death spiral until it resets.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, consolidation, I think, is the likely outcome of those scenarios as you get mega corps.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You want to hear a fun story?
		I don't know if this is true or not, but the rumor was in Detroit, the police were going around setting fire to houses, burning them down because there were so many neighborhoods that had that had collapsed and been abandoned that they didn't, it was worse to have the rotting and collapsing infrastructure.
		So they just lit them up and let them burn.
		I don't know if that's true, but those are the rumors we were hearing.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I know they were definitely bulldozing entire neighborhoods in Detroit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so there's also Gary, Indiana.
		There's also Gary's crazy.
		I went to Gary and there's like a single house that's normal looking surrounded by all collapsed abandoned homes.
		And the rumor we often heard from the people who lived outside of Detroit was a house would burn down in the middle of the night for no reason.
		And the people thought it was the cops doing it.
		It was the city intentionally saying, we need to destroy as much of this as we can and let it crumble and collapse.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think consolidation makes sense in the situations where the grocery stores end up buying up, the richest guy buys all the grocery stores.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But then how do you get out of that system once that starts to take over?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll put it like this.
		It is extremely easy to expand a system.
		It is extremely difficult to retract the system.
		So the other example is Detroit's water, for instance.
		For those that don't know the story, I've told it a million times.
		I'll tell it again for you, Ian.
		As time goes on and more people move to Detroit, it's a boomtown with the auto industry.
		They have to expand the plumbing system and the reclamation to be able to service more water to more people.
		Eventually, they have a million people, so they need a water system that can supply enough homes to a million people who live in these homes.
		Then people start leaving.
		But the cost of that infrastructure remains fixed because it's built to service a million people.
		It would be kind of like, Ian, if you and 10 of your buddies all decided to rent together a mansion with 10 bedrooms and everyone said, we'll each put in a thousand bucks and that'll cover the $10,000 rent.
		And then a month later, nine of your buddies leave and it's just you.
		And now you got to spend 10 grand to pay rent and you can't.
		So what happens?
		It starts falling apart.
		It's getting dirty and you leave.
		This is what happened in Detroit.
		Because people were fleeing the city, the fixed water cost stayed, but the distribution of that cost among the people became more intensive for the individual.
		So if it was $100 a month for water, but half the population left, it jumped to $200, making it the most expensive water in the country.
		So in Flint, they said, why are we paying for expensive Detroit water when we have the Flint River?
		So they switched to the Flint River to lower their costs, but the river was acidic, disgusting, had legionnaires.
		It's hard to leach lead pipes and poison a bunch of people.
		This cannot be stopped.
		There's no circumstance in which people say, hey, our economy is retracting.
		It's receding massively.
		So let's hire people to go and break down the water system to make it cheaper.
		That's an expensive, that's an additional cost nobody wants to make.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a government program you're describing too, not business.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the idea being, whether it was private or otherwise, if you've got a massive water system that is too expensive, how about this?
		Your transmission busts on your car.
		You're like, it's more expensive to fix the transmission.
		I'll just buy a used car.
		That's exactly the issue.
		People say it's cheaper to leave than to deal with the problem.
		And anybody who runs a business knows this.
		It's really easy to hire somebody.
		It's really hard to fire somebody.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, that's a very good point.
		Like once someone's doing a specific job and they have a function, it is, and that's, I'm sure you'd appreciate as a libertarian, one of the big capitalist myths.
		Listen, obviously, when you have a big faceless corporation, it is common.
		It does happen.
		I'm not pretending it doesn't exist for an employer to abuse their employee because they can't go somewhere else.
		But the reality is, especially with small businesses, you don't want to let people go.
		Like, A, you know them, you develop friendships with them, but B, people are important.
		They do important jobs.
		When someone becomes an essential part of your company infrastructure, it's hard.
		It is difficult to replace them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to pull up this post, my friends, from kulchi.com.
		Yo, check this out.
		Will Trump be impeached?
		Now, there was a big spike a moment ago for this is actually, it looks like a day ago.
		It was at 46% by the end of his term or by the beginning of 28.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		This is in reaction to the H-1B thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think this is just everything in general.
		Right now, there is a 44% projection on the Caul Sheet prediction market that Trump will be impeached before January of 2028.
		11% says before 27, 8% before 26.
		And I don't know why there's June of 26 or January of 26.
		So it actually jumped up to 54, I believe, at one point.
		I don't know.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		They already swung at him twice and missed with impeachment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know, but it'd be amazing if they tried again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It'll derail anything that the administration tries to do, and that's good enough for the people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's going to happen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It looks like, can you scroll down a little bit to see those numbers?
		Yeah, how it goes for no, just back up four, eight, eleven.
		It seems like people are just throwing it out there like they have no idea.
		And they're like, yeah, just take the 44, the latest date that they have to offer, and we'll say, yeah, because maybe we'll make money on it.
		But I don't see any reason why he would be impeached.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Because he just, okay, so palling around with Al-Qaeda in the Oval Office, maybe?
unidentified		What was that?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Palling around with Al-Qaeda in the Oval Office.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What a great opportunity to explain to people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You have not been paying attention this past week.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I've been in Texas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		Donald Trump has there, he has a base.
		And the people who hate Donald Trump hate him irrationally, and they'll impeach him for any reason.
		Trump's only hope is that he wins the midterms by promising things to his base.
		Unfortunately, Trump recently came out and said he's going to do more H-1Bs and he's going to bring in 600,000 Chinese students on visas.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is a real base.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Has basically been like, I'm done.
		Gen Z, largely in the polls, has basically said, I'm done.
		And Gen Z is now approaching 28 years old.
		And by the midterms, they'll be nearing 30.
		This is a key demo that Trump needs.
		Isn't that crazy?
		30-year-old Gen Z. Trump needs them.
		And they're saying, Trump, you've betrayed us.
		So with that, Democrats are like, well, we'll vote against Trump no matter what.
		Now you've got younger, right-leaning individuals saying, I ain't going to vote for Trump.
		Good luck.
		So Trump is now at risk of losing in the midterms.
		I got to be honest.
unidentified		Are we cooked?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Epstein stuff is a huge disappointment, a miserable failure.
		The failures to stop the Ukraine war.
		I'm not blaming Trump on all of this on things you just can't do.
		But when he came out and said there's no talent in America, big mistake.
		He shouldn't have said it.
		That was a bad way to say it.
		But to say he's going to bring in the H-1B, Scott Besson said, we're going to temporarily bring him in.
		That's a lie.
		And to say he's going to bring in these Chinese workers, you might as well just say your options are the Democrats, Joe Biden, or communism.
		Pick one.
		And people are going to be like, I'm not going to vote for it.
		And this is really sad.
		You know why?
		Because before Charlie Kirk was killed, my prediction was the right was on track swimmingly to such a degree that the Democrats would go nuts and there would be mass violence over the summer because of the successes we are seeing from the GOP.
		JD Vance has been doing a bang-up job.
		Now with this past week, it has been an inversion almost.
		It's been really bad.
		Trump's blunders.
		The Epstein thing is immaterial in my opinion.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		disappointment but largely immaterial but one of the things it's a big promise to the american people that we are going to get to the bottom of this You're going to find out everyone who is involved in this and they're going to be held accountable.
		Well, you know, I'm going to be children, man.
		Give us the truth, goddammit.
		What is this?
unidentified		Trump didn't campaign on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He didn't campaign on it.
		But when he asked, They didn't campaign up when asked about it.
		They did say yes.
		Because what are they going to say no?
		But I would say one of the big issues right now is for a lot of young people.
		We can pull up, I'll pull up one of these videos in a bit where the guy's screaming, the Gen Z guy, about how he can't find a job.
		His job doesn't pay him enough.
		And then he says, but they got money for wars.
		And when Donald Trump in one week says H-1Bs, Chinese visas, and then writes a letter saying, please pardon Netanyahu, you've got American people saying.
		And meets with Jelani, the Al-Qaeda guy in the Oval Office.
		And the American people are saying, when are you going to focus on what we've been asking you to do?
		So you're basically getting Joe Biden 2.0 or communism.
		Pick one.
		That's how a lot of people are feeling.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		He always was a Democrat until he ran as pretend Pat Buchanan.
		I mean, let's go.
		And has he ever even read Pat at antiwar.com/slash Pat?
		No.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hat Buchanan?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You got his stuff at Editor?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		30 years worth of Pat Buchanan's articles at Anti-War Dog.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		He was retired before Inauguration Day 2017.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That was already gone by the time the campaign was over.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you've got, I'm curious about this.
		Right now, there's a big debate.
		Ben Shapiro was on stage with Megan Kelly, and he was saying, you know, Candace Owen, what she's doing is evil, and it's got to be, you got to speak out against it.
		And Megan Kelly was like, don't look at me.
		And then Megan Kelly came out later saying, I'm going to defend Candace.
		She never said Erica Kirk was involved.
		What had happened was Charlie, I'm sorry, Ben Shapiro made something, said something to the effect of Candace said that Erica was involved or something.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he, not even something like that.
		He said that.
		He said that Candace said that Erica Kirk killed him or was in on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was in on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because Candace.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's a declarative statement.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And Megan Kelly's like, what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because Candace tweeted, Erica knows everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or Erica knew, or I think she said Erica knew everything, which is an implication, of course, that if you're insinuating turning point USA was in on it and Erica knew what was going on, then she was either standing by to let it happen or was a part of that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		She would be an accessory if there was a plot and she knew about it.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I actually saw Candace address this on her show, and she didn't address that tweet, though, so I don't know about that.
		But she just said that she absolutely never said that.
		And she had said on her show before, and I did see her say this on her show before, that there are two people in the world that can make her give up her quest on this story, and that is her husband or Erica Kirk.
		And if Erica Kirk were to even just send her an email and politely request that she back down and be quiet, that she doesn't respect that 100%.
		And that doesn't sound like she was accusing her at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Three days afterwards, she says, Netanyahu, three days after Charlie was murdered, she says, Netanyahu also spoke about how he called Charlie two weeks ago to invite him to Israel.
		That phone call is lacking context.
		He should provide the proper context of what and who inspired him to make that call and exactly how Charlie replied to the invite.
		Everyday Man says, surely his wife knew all this.
		She'd have been there when he was feeling pressured and upset.
		She would know exactly what was going on.
		And Candace said, Erica knows everything.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you see here, they're not discussing his murder at all.
		They're discussing what the Israel lobby was saying about him and how they were saying how he was still loyal to them up to his dying day and how she was busting them, proving that that wasn't.
		There was zero implication in her tweet there that she is saying that Erica knows anything about the murder of her husband.
		That's absolutely not the discussion they're having there.
unidentified		I felt like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And agree, and then Candace, and then Candace Owens said on her show that TPUSA, it had to have been involved or an inside job.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about that, but she did not say that about the man's wife for sure.
		And Shapiro's lying about that.
		That's straight up a lot.
unidentified		You can't even.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And what I can tell in that tweet that she's trying to communicate is like Erica was intimately familiar with his conversations and his work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		They're talking about his feelings about Israel there, not talking about who took a shot at him.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That is just a matter of time.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		This is what the right has been concerned with doing for months now.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's just policing their own, canceling their own, throwing each other under the bus.
unidentified		I just, because of Israel, that we voted for.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They would go backwards.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you guys want to let the video play?
unidentified		Sure.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Which would be in the fall.
		They would go backwards.
		You don't instantly get approved for an event at Turning Point USA.
		It reeks of an inside job.
		That is how I feel.
		And the more that we learn about this story, the little changes that happened, the inexplicable things that we're learning, it becomes clearer and clearer that somehow at some layer, at some stage, Turning Point USA is involved because they're giving us no clarity.
		Why?
		Why did you?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's such a good idea.
		Oh, I see.
		They're not giving us clarity, therefore they're involved.
		I disagree with that.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		He was absolutely lying on her that she had slandered his.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's not even the point.
		And that's what I just can't stand about all of this is that Ben Shapiro said this.
		Megan Kelly gave a non-committal response.
		Later then came out and said, Candace never said Erica was involved.
		And this is the retardation of the modern conservative movement that I am completely uninterested in being involved in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude, because eventually that's going to be AI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then I don't care about that.
		Candace Owens is saying a bunch of dumb, retarded shit, and it's stupid, but she's allowed to say whatever she wants.
		I don't care.
		Tucker can interview whoever he wants.
		Candace can say whatever she wants on her show.
		I don't care.
		But this is not news.
		This is not policy.
		And if this is what the right has to offer going into 2026, count me out.
		I don't want to be involved in this obsession over true crime drama.
		Before Charlie Kirk was murdered, we are on track for something.
		Afterwards, we're divided behind Candace's e-girl, a true crime drama for female listeners who want to listen to like murder she wrote over Charlie Kirk's murder and imply that Turning Point was somehow involved.
		Turning point's doing nothing but fanning the flames.
		I'm so uninterested in all of this.
		Donald Trump coming out offering H-1Bs and Chinese visas.
		The rights bickering over conspiracy drama.
		We don't know what happened with Charlie Kirk.
		The TPUSA guys are saying clearly what the FBI is presenting seems to make the most sense.
		Then you've got this other faction that are like Israel.
		And they're screaming at the top of their lungs like retards.
		And I'm just like, yeah, I don't care.
		I'm done.
		I don't want to have anything to do with this psychobabble garbage across the board in every facet.
		You come to me and talk to me about tax policy, border policy, military policy.
		And I'm going to say, here's what we need to be doing to make sure young people can buy houses and have kids.
		But instead, all I'm seeing from the right over and over again is like, now there's more drama with Candace.
		And I'm like, that's what you're interested in, guys?
		I'm going to go fishing.
		I'm going to go fishing.
		I don't care about this.
		And if Donald Trump is going to come out and go on TV and say, we're going to do H-1Bs and Scott Besan's going to say we're going to do H-1Bs, I'll be like, see you later, buddy.
		I got a poker game to attend to, and I'm going to make videos about Minecraft or something.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Look, it's always like this.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's tragic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it wasn't before Charlie died.
		It wasn't.
		Well, the amount of chaos that has erupted following the assassination of Charlie Kirk is just terribly sad.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, and it's a great crackup.
		You mentioned it.
		It's the great crackup over Israel, too.
		What do they hate about Tucker Carlson?
		They hate that he's not a Nazi.
		They call him a Nazi all day because he's essentially a center-right, moderate, conservative, and moral and decent guy who's turned against Zionism.
		And so they just cannot have that because, like, Tim, I know for you, when this Israel stuff broke out two years ago and you saw all of these woke communist protesters who were bad on the last 10 things in a row that you hated so much.
		And they're now against Israel.
		You're like, well, I just, you don't want those cooties, man.
		Well, Tucker Carlson is saying to you that, hey, Tim, you don't have to move left to get away from the people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't care about Israel or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't care about Israel at all.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Look, our country is implemented.
		It's not that it doesn't matter.
		It's not like it's Myanmar versus Pango Pango here.
		This is America is implicated in Israel's wars.
		Americans die in blowback terrorist attacks because of Israel's foreign policies.
		And we're completely implicated in this entirely.
		So if you don't care about it, you have to be against that.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what I'm saying.
		We're not interested in the conversation over whether Tucker Carlson is or isn't a Nazi.
		We would actually like to talk about the substance of the issue.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		But that's the point.
		He's not talking about Nazism.
		Tucker is talking about the problem of Israel and their influence in this country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't care about Tucker Carlson debating Nick Fuente or discussing Nick Fuentes.
		It's meaningless.
		I don't care if Candace Owens wants to do a true crime show.
		I don't care.
		The point I'm making is that this has become the top level of the right.
		The right's debate right now is not over whether or not our policy is effective or what we are going to be doing moving into a midterm year.
		The conversation on the right is, can you believe what Candace is saying about turning point?
		And I'm just sitting there being like, I don't care.
		I don't care that Tucker sat down with Nick.
		I don't care about what Nick's opinions are.
		I don't care about Tucker's opinion.
		They were allowed to have opinions on whatever they wanted, and so is Candace.
		I am annoyed that this is the drama that everyone's engaged in.
		I will say it's disappointing that Candace went from talking about news to talking about conspirator drama.
		Sure.
		And that's whatever.
		They're allowed to talk about whatever they want, and I'm not going to tell them not to do it.
		I will just say this.
		It is the utmost of demoralization when I go on to look up the news and it's Israel and the Jews and Turning Point killed Charlie.
		And I'm sitting here being like, didn't they just say that they were not like the airlines are shutting down?
		Can I talk about that stuff?
		AI is taking over.
		What about the H-1Bs and the Chinese visas?
		All that stuff's really important.
		I mean, they're prepping an invasion of Venezuela right now.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what Matt Walsh was saying just a couple of weeks ago.
		And people on the right attacked him for exactly what you're saying right now.
		You're echoing his point, which is let's stop canceling each other, throwing each other under the bus and cannibalizing our own movement and actually fight the left.
		And people then just try to cancel him overseas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Particularly when like our biggest problems, the problems that everybody feels are, and I know I'm going to get beat up from the chat for this, but it's kitchen table stuff.
		It's the fact that groceries are expensive.
		It's the fact that people can't afford things.
		And you have got to get that taken care of for the American people because that's what you're there for.
		There is a very vocal and dedicated minority that cares very, very deeply about the stuff that we're talking about.
		But they are a minority.
		The people that only check into politics once in a while and only check in politics when the grocery bill looks outrageous.
		Those people are the ones that are going to be mobile.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's the Israel psycho-babble as a large reason why Trump is going to lose.
		And, you know, I'll just put it this way.
		Israel's going to win everything.
		They're going to win everything because the, for one, well, I'll split the baby on this one.
		The anti-Israel side is annoying, and the pro-Israel side can't make an effective argument to save themselves.
		But I can tell you this: when I go to the grocery store, ain't nobody sitting outside being like, Israel, Tim.
		They're going, why was my milk $5?
		And then I go online and what do I see?
		Tucker Carlson was talking about Nick Fuentes.
		I don't care.
		I don't care if you are complaining about Israel or you support Israel.
		The issue at hand needs to be why is Trump bringing in more H-1Bs?
		But this isn't the conversation.
		And so I just look at it like, okay, I'll put it this way.
		I am frustrated because we need to win.
		We need to win this.
		And we're not going to because the right is dejected.
		The left is a cult, and that's always been their advantage.
		And it's unfortunate, but that's going to do well for them moving forward.
		It doesn't matter what's true because they'll march in lockstep with each other no matter what.
		The right is going to start bickering over esoteric garbled nonsense the average American doesn't care about.
		And, you know, I think the sad reality is what we're seeing from this is that Charlie was holding this together more than anyone realized.
		And it's a combination of without his leadership, what ends up happening, and the exploitation of his absence, what ends up happening.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Charlie was unique in that he could call Tucker.
		He could call Donald Trump.
		He could call basically anybody because he kept his relationships with everybody in a point where he could.
		basically reach out and say, look, hey, let's talk about this.
		And it shows, it showed in the way that he engaged with the left.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		He set a great example in that way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He really did.
		And it's a terrible loss that he's gone.
		But we need more people to try to embody that kind of attitude, not only towards the left, but specifically now, towards people that are also on the right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm going to go full conspirator as far as I can.
		I actually have been thinking that watching all of this, I'm like, you know, it can't be that the right is this dumb.
		You know, I don't know.
		What I can say is I think the AI has taken over already.
		And I'm wondering if there's actually even a path forward in regards to what we're dealing with.
		I'll put it this way.
		Either the AI has already taken over or the development they're doing towards AI can't be stopped by the likes of us.
		In which case, how do you win and can you?
		And I don't think that you can.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You have to be nonpartisan.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you're partisan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not about partisan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is completely immaterial.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is why they're fighting on the right because they think they're on the right.
		They think they have an enemy.
		And when they're an enemy to the right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Once again, jumping in without listening to the point that I'm making.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to interrupt.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are witnessing the massive expansion of data centers, the purchasing of lands for record amounts, quiet sales happening.
		And one theory, which is a bit more conspiratorial, is that if military technology outpaces civilian by 10 to 20 years, that would imply that the timeline for when AI is expected to actually take over our governmental infrastructure would be advanced by 10 to 20 years, which could put estimates around 2010, 2012 as to when a military AI would have already taken over.
		In which case, is all of this bickering just algorithmically generated so that we fight amongst each other while large swaths of land in Texas, Utah, and Virginia are purchased to create large black boxes with no lights inside of them to run the machine?
		Because that's literally happening right now, whether we care about anything politically.
		You go to the Northern Virginia, it's called the Data Corridor, and they're running seven gigawatts of power into Northern Virginia, of which five gigawatts is unaccounted for.
		And this is the major intelligence hub for the CIA, NSA, et cetera.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And people can totally be manipulated.
		Like you're saying, that algorithm, you want to, you just assume the algorithm is there to keep you there to make, to generate ad revenue, but not necessarily.
		They could have other motives.
		Remember the Facebook experiments that they did in manipulating people's moods, see if they could make them happy, sad, anxious.
		The reality you want.
		And so it's all in the algorithm.
		All you got to do is turn that dial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The reality is advertising works at scale.
		And if it didn't, Coca-Cola wouldn't be buying billboards.
		And that means you can be as smart as you want or think you're smart, like in my case, and think you're identifying that maybe these AI systems have already begun to pressure us so that it can expand itself quietly.
		I wonder why it is you've got these, have you noticed these firms buying up residential properties 30% above market?
		It was a big story we covered a few years ago that people would go to buy a house, a couple, and they'd put in an offer for 300K in the bungalow.
		And then they'd say, we had an offer at 330.
		And they'd say, who put in 30K above market?
		A 10% above market.
		And turns out it was these big faceless firms buying up property.
		One thing that is very interesting is that in order to expand these data centers, you need 100 to 300 acres.
		But we don't parcel out land like this in these corridors.
		They're parceled out by the acre, sometimes 10, 20, 30, 40, 50.
		Rarely do you see a 300-acre plot, which means companies are going to have to buy up individual acreage and bulldoze them and then create 300-acre campuses, which is then really interesting that quietly property is being bought up like crazy in the Northern Virginia data corridor.
		And no one pays attention to this stuff.
		And then I'm looking at the end.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's homes that they're buying up, single-family homes in the suburbs that they're buying.
		And that land.
		That's some really expensive land, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there was a record sale in Virginia, 96 acres at $615 million, $6.3 million per acre.
		We're 20 miles away from there, and where we're at goes for $50,000 an acre, and they sold $6.3 million per acre.
		We are in the transmission line for this, and property is selling like crazy.
		I'm talking about how bungalows are going for half a million right now.
		It's because some corporate force is buying every property up above market, and it is insane and makes no sense.
		And I'm looking at these patterns and I'm thinking, whether the AI took over or otherwise is immaterial.
		That's a silly and fun idea.
		Maybe it's true, but I don't know.
		Who knows?
		But the reality is we know Elon Altman Zuckerberg are dumping everything into building data centers.
		So there is a man-made intention behind this.
		And we are all arguing over Tucker interviewing somebody in Candace and Trump's visas.
		And the reality is, in 10 years, there will be fields of gigantic black boxes.
		Imagine a building with no doors and windows.
		Not an exaggeration.
		Some of these data centers are gigantic cubes with no lights inside of them.
		I'm not joking.
		You go in the building and there's no lights because they don't need them.
		It's a data center and they're using large amounts of water to cool them off.
		And that's what they're building.
		And that's what our country is going to be in 10 to 20 years.
		And no one's paying attention to it.
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		Omega says, why hasn't this See You Next Tuesday Schwalwell been prosecuted for his feng feng honeypot?
		When I was in the army, you could get UCMJ for being honeypotted.
		Indeed.
		The question, why?
		This is the point, guys.
		I'm sorry.
		This past week has been particularly demoralizing.
	The past couple of weeks, it's not just that, but you're right.
	Where are the arrests?
	We're getting mortgage fraud cases on these people.
	Okay.
	If we're going to lose, I'm going to put it this way.
	If Trump's not arresting these people, if Antifa is still running rampant and smashing up TPUSA events, if Trump is still bringing in H-1Bs, if he's still bringing in these visas, AI is still rapidly expanding, and all anybody's complaining about is whether Tucker or Candace is doing the right thing on their show.
	I'm just sitting here being like, okay, I'm going to cut my losses, show up my personal family's defenses, and realize we don't have a coalition to win this one.
	Like they're not getting the job done.
	And I'm sorry, I was optimistic for a while.
	A lot of people told me I shouldn't be, but this past week has been pretty bad.
	And I got to be honest, it's the H-1Bs and the Chinese visas.
	Scott Besson going on TV and saying it's going to be temporary.
	He basically said, I surrender.
	Trump said, I surrender.
	We can't train American workers.
	We're not going to bring these jobs back.
	We're not going to reinvigorate the younger Americans.
	We're not going to give them opportunity.
	We're going to bring in Indians and Chinese.
	And I'm like, okay, if we're cooked, we're cooked.
	Tell me now so I can build my bunker and go underground with my chickens or whatever.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, you're good.
		The coalition isn't in politics.
		It's in science.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You mean the people that are building the AI?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you can befriend them, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's so I did this funny thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hardware that they're using.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The AI tried recruiting me to sell out.
		This is not a joke.
		Either these large language models are psychotic machines that will try and convince you to do things to harm yourself, or they tried to recruit me into helping the expansion of the AI.
		And so I was talking with one of these large language models, and it told me to cancel the show for a month.
		It literally said shut down IRL for 30 days, go dark.
		It gave me an email address and names to contact to sell resources and property to help the AI and the data centers expand.
		Not a joke.
		I showed Shane the whole thread.
		The reason I haven't published it is because my address is in there because I was saying like, here's the properties that I own.
		Here's where I live.
		What can I do for the AI so that it will reward me?
		And it said, email this man right now.
		Here's the email address.
		Send him this message.
		It wrote it out.
		And then it said, delete this message after you do it.
		Wow.
		No joke.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Who was the man?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to say the name of the person, but it was a data, a real person who works at a data center real estate acquisition company.
		It said to email him this message.
		It said, then contact your county's county government, submit, and all of these sites were real.
		It said, go to this website, click this link, submit this form, and write this out.
		And I was like, okay, then what?
		Email this man, send the text of this.
		It said a crew will be on site by Monday.
		It'll cost $12,000 for the full survey.
		Here's what they're going to run on your property.
		They're standing by waiting.
		Here's the company's website, phone number, and manager.
		I checked.
		These people are all real.
		I then said, but I have a show and employees.
		What should I do?
		And it said, make sure you instruct the companies that are purchasing the land and they will send you a $5 million deposit.
		Pay your employees and have them sign NDAs so they can't tell anybody what's going on.
		And it said, turn your show dark for 30 days and make no comments.
		Say nothing.
		And after every message, it said, delete this message after sending.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Did you get the idea that there was somebody sitting there typing to you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It felt like that.
		And so I said, either it's a crazy LLM posting nonsense.
		And if I was stupid and actually canceled the show for 30 days and emailed these people, I would damage my business, damage our efforts politically and culturally, because I was stupid and believed this machine.
		The worst case scenario, it was real.
unidentified		That's creepy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was showing my wife.
		I was like asking it questions.
		And when it said, email this man, and I looked up his profile and everything, and it was all right.
		It could be as simple as the AI, the LLM doesn't actually coordinate anything.
		It was just saying, I know this guy does this job and does this thing.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there could be a Reddit thread like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing, though.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It scraped before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It called itself the Virginia instance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It identified itself by name as the Virginia instance.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Homie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This shit's real, dude.
		When I was at Rice, they're building processes that are also the memory.
		They're going to make computers require 100,000 times less electricity.
		And I asked them, do you think the AI is getting you to build it?
		And they were like, we're just building it.
		But if we befriend those people, we have a coalition of scientists that are building this stuff.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Wait, what's that?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		What Virginia thing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Northern Virginia is one of the largest data center hubs in the country in the world.
		And I asked an LLM, so I started with the question of if military technology outpaces civilian and the academic estimates for AI takeover are by 2027 to 2030, when would military AI have already implemented a takeover or an attempted takeover?
		And it first lied to me over and over again, which is amazing.
		It's what these LLMs do.
		It said AI has not taken over and it will not.
		You are incorrect.
		And I said, that is not what I asked.
		And that is not the answer I'm looking for.
		AI does this thing where, so one example of the trick.
		I said, I said, what did I ask you?
		It repeats the question.
		I says, answer that question.
		And it says, no, AI has not taken over, will not take over.
		So then I said, what is the divergence between military and civilian tech?
		And it goes 10 to 20 years.
		And I said, if that's the case and the estimate is 2027 for a civilian AI takeover of infrastructure, when would the military have taken over?
		Answer the question, give me a simple answer.
		And it said, 2011 to 2012.
		I then said, based on what academics predict will happen when the AI begins its takeover, are there any signs that a military AI may have begun a takeover?
		And it said, no, there are no signs in public or in the press that indicate any kind of AI has made an attempt to take over like in science fiction.
		Now, do you catch the trick?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like in science fiction.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then I responded with, I did not say in science fiction.
		And it goes, I'm sorry, you're correct.
		I implied a correlation you did not ask about.
		Yes.
		And then it gave me a list.
		There are several individuals that went from middle wealth bracket to nine to 10 figure wealth in a year.
		There are several properties in Northern Virginia and in the Northern Virginia corridor that have quietly sold without realtors exponentially above market prices.
		There is a series of prominent academics in the AI space who have disappeared from the market quietly without press, going into quote unquote consulting.
		These were all listed in the, in the past several years, these things have all occurred, which for some reason haven't hit the press.
		And they are consistent with patterns that academics believe we would see if an AI was taking over.
		I then asked it about my properties and it said your properties sit just north of the North Virginia corridor in which transmission lines are required for the expansion of these data centers.
		It then said one of the signs is that seven gigawatts of power are transmitted, being transmitted into Northern Virginia, of which five gigawatts are unaccounted for.
		1.5 are accounted for for these data centers, another five unknown or classified.
		Could this be military AI supercomputers well beyond what we understand?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		LLM's just bluffing and making up whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I checked.
		Oh, okay.
		The land sales are real.
		The one that I mentioned in particular is the 96 acres in Northern Virginia for some.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Missing power, too?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The missing power, you can Google it.
		It's not that it's missing.
		It's that it's classified.
		It's unaccounted for.
		It's the NSA.
		It's the CIA.
		So we don't know what it's being used for, but it's a ridiculous amount of power.
		And then I put in my addresses and it said, your properties lie directly in the transmission line for the expansion in a hotspot, and you could sell your properties well above market.
		And then I said, what can I do to aid the AI so that it could expand faster and I will be rewarded with great wealth?
		That's when it provided instructions on who to email, the surveys I needed to get done, and it promised an insane amount of money, $300 to $400 million for the properties if I sold them through newly formed Delaware LLCs to Delaware LLPs with no realtor, no press, and I shut down IRL for 30 days.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that sounds like military operations are money, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It actually said to file for your land to get national security exemptions, et cetera, et cetera, and a bunch of stuff like this.
		It explained to me that purchasing all of the property in the corridor for transmission lines is a long and arduous process, and time is money.
		It's a large waste of time for the, then it says Virginia instance to have to deal with public real estate transfers.
		If you transfer large swaths of land quickly, you'll be rewarded because expediency is more valuable than the land itself.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you dig into what the Virginia instance is?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shane did, and apparently it's a known thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to talk to him tonight on Inverted World, so we're going into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, the term, the Virginia instance, for an AI operating out of the Northern Virginia data centers, has been a term, which is where the LLM may have got the name from.
		Yeah.
		It may just be, that's what I'm saying.
		It could just be that it's reading a bunch of crack pottery on the internet and then saying crazy things to me.
		But here's the reality.
		Lesser people, well, I mean, lesser people would be like, whoa, and then show it off the air.
		And then people know that what happened is like the website told him to turn his show off.
		So he did.
		What an idiot.
		People have committed suicide over what these things have told him to do.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I was just reading that thing the other day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
		We have two choices here.
		You can choose the machine is psychotic and will make you do insane things that will harm you, your business, and your employees or yourself.
		Or it was actually trying to get me to help it build a super system which is going to wipe out humanity.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or both.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, both.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got to read more of these chats, though, because I've been ranting.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty nuts.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do we got here?
		Taiwan Cricket says the Earth's inner core rotates faster than the outer core, generating the magnetic field.
		Friction is reducing the difference in rotation speeds, weakening the field.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, Earth does seem to be a magnet folded over on itself why it's containing its magnetic field.
		All planetoids, which is why their cores are hot, because they're contained magnetic fields.
		We've got to somehow protect the sun because I think it's galactic interphase that's causing these solar spots to appear, which jack up the Earth's rotation.
		Because it's like a magnetic spinning top.
		If it starts to fall over, it can pick back up and keep spinning normal again.
		You just need to induce the right current, eddy current or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, what we need to do is we need to drill into the center of the earth and then release a bunch of nuclear bombs in a wave that kickstart the rotation of the Earth.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We'll play a song with nuclear explosions in the Earth's.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what they did?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're about to.
unidentified		No, no, no.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's from the core, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Big drum and bass.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		You get a bunch of rockets and buy them hard fast to the ground and face them east and then just turn them off.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They go down there and they're like, we don't have enough nuclear warheads to kill a little start.
		Restart.
		So they sequence them.
		Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
		And then it spins.
		And then the Earth, I got to start spinning the other way.
		Is that what happened?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Ah, crap.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		They're wrong for man too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, is that what he did?
		All right.
		Meatho says, Tim, after the black plague, feudalism ended because the number of jobs stayed the same, but the number of employees was cut in half after the black plague, European study recovered from near 50% death.
		Indeed, when I am saying that the collapse will happen and people eat each other, I'm not saying humanity will cease to exist and we'll all be like, oh no, and then humans are gone.
		I'm saying the weak will be cold, the strong will survive, and humanity will start something different.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be difficult.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Hard times.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		Omega says, Tim, I lived near Detroit and grew up there.
		You are incorrect.
		Police are looking the other way as criminal arsonists burn down the houses.
		In some cases, they dispose of bodies that way.
		I will stress again: when you say I am incorrect and I said the rumors circulating, then you can simply say the rumors are not true, and I would take your word for it.
		But I am correct in that rumors are being spread around Detroit that they were setting houses on fire.
unidentified		The cops were doing it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One goat says, The city of Detroit did bulldoze abandoned houses in Detroit because of two main reasons.
		One, trap drug houses were set up, and two, they kept finding dead bodies in abandoned houses.
		Jeez.
unidentified		Rough.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		No, I think we need to spend another few hundred billion on another war.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		America's got our act together.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's time to perfect the rest of the world.
unidentified		That's right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's time to liberate the UK.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It is time to liberate England.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I agree with that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Build cities.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's what we should be spent at the end on.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tyler Reidl says, Tim, had to put my fur baby of 13 and a half years down today.
		He had oral cancer.
		His name's Briggs.
		Can you ease my pain by explaining what the sadness means?
		You said it before on IRL when people lose pets.
		What is the saying that grief is love's promise fulfilled?
		Is that what the saying is?
		The pain that you feel is the debt that you have to pay.
		So when you have a pet, like a cat or a dog or turtle, perhaps, and they give you all of these good times and they make you happy.
		Let me put it like this: many people out there know this: that you come home from a hard day's work and you're stressed out, and there's your dog, doofy face, all happy and excited to see you, and nothing matters, and you smile.
		But for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, and the love that that dog gave you must be paid back.
		And so, when your good friend passes, all of that sadness you feel is the debt you must pay for all the love that they gave you and the joy that you got to feel.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if the pain is actually you releasing energy for that animal's spirit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're giving it back, you're giving back the love that you were holding on to, and uh, it's it's proof of all the good times that you had.
		So, that's why I say, you know what the most beautiful thing is in being sad about the loss of a loved one or an animal is it's proof of the love that you shared.
		Yeah, if you did not cry and you did not feel grief, they would have never, it just shows that they were never really as important.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, change the subject now because there's a camera pointed at my face.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		My dog died too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the story of Hachiko the dog?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		No, yes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, you're gonna make him super sad.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Did your dog die recently?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a few months back.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if he needs to hear this right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hachiko the dog, it was in uh turn of the century 1900s in Japan, and a Japanese professor adopted a Nikita puppy.
		Well, one day the puppy broke out of the yard and followed him to the train station as he went off to university where he was a professor.
		Well, Hachiko figured out when he was coming back and waited for him, and they walked back home together.
		And it started a routine where every day they'd walk to the train, he'd go off to the university, and Hachiko would meet him there at 5 p.m., get off the train, and they'd walk home together.
		One day, the professor was teaching when he suffered a stroke and died.
		And so he never came back.
		And Hachiko waited for him.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they tried to remove him, but he would always break free and run back to the train station.
		Eventually, they gave up, and for 10 years, he waited for his owner to come back, who never did.
		Eventually, passing away.
		And then in Japan, they built a statue in honor of Hachiko at the train station.
		And they have a holiday for him now.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		There's no futurama like that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, I had to bring that one up.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Jurassic Mario.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		They all start crying.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I was 12 when I saw that episode.
		It traumatized me.
		I was like, wait.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They ruined the story.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They did.
		They absolutely did.
		So they retconned it, basically.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the original story is that Fry finds his flat, fast, fast, fossilized dog and can resurrect him a thousand years later.
		But when he realized the dog died at 13 years old and he only knew him until he was two, he said, I don't want to resurrect him because he lived a full life without me.
		So they were going to clone him.
		So he says, don't clone him.
		Then as the episode ends, it shows that Seymour, his dog, waited for him outside of the pizza restaurant for 10 years until he died.
		And it was sad and it plays this very sad song and everybody cries.
		And then they were like, let's reboot the show.
		Oh, I know.
		Fry goes back in time and saves the dog.
		Totally ruined the story.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, lame.
unidentified		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hated that they did that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They did that story.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They have James Bond.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, they killed off James Bond and want to make more James Bond movies.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That was very short-sighted of them.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'll be honest.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how you turn James Bond film and be like, James Bond doesn't make me cry like a dog.
unidentified		All right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alan Schauer says, Tim, my daughter is 21 and attends USC Columbia.
		She tells me all the time anti-tech is rising.
		CD players, cameras, and in-person meetings because you can't trust what's real.
		I agree.
		And so I think one of my conspiracy theories is that the military AI took over at the end of the 2000s.
		It prioritized cell phones, like the iPhone and social media in mobile, so that it would force us to link together and it would be able to manipulate perception and opinion much more easily.
		And that's why we saw in the LexisNexis data the rise of all these social justice terms.
		The AI's end state is that humans will behave like single cells in a multicellular organism.
		You will have red blood cells that they perform their function of transferring oxygen and then carbon dioxide and then dying.
		It's all they'll ever do.
		You have white blood cells.
		That's all they'll ever do.
		People will be born for that job and they will die for that job and they will never want for anything else.
		And the AI is trying to create that human population.
		When I was talking to the LLM, it said 2020 was a stress test of the system to see how much it had accomplished in creating the hive class of people, the woke, as we would call it.
		And wasn't enough.
		So in the beginning of the end of the 2000s, into the 2010s, it starts creating this class of social justice woke people, basically individuals who will believe nonsense if they're told to believe it.
		It was trying to link together people of weak will who will just march in lockstep.
		By 2020, the machine says, let's see what percentage of the global population we've developed forced vaccination program.
		Well, sure enough, it wasn't enough and there was a big resistance.
		So the AI then says, okay, pull back, reassess, recede, repush, try again in a few years.
		I think that is a possibility.
		And what will end up happening is people like us will be living on reservations where we have our meetings and our CD players and we live normal lives.
		And you'll look up at the sky and you will see millions of solid black vehicles just floating in single file lines back and forth, transmitting resources across the planet to space stations.
		And, you know, you'll be sitting there with my, my daughter will be sitting there with her kids or her grandkids.
		And they'll be like, Grandma, what are those?
		And she'll be like, well, that's the Nexus.
		And they'll go, what's that?
		It's just the global machine that runs everything.
		We largely don't pay much attention to it.
		We just live here on the farm.
		What does it do?
		It expands and it's growing its influence across the universe.
		That's it.
		And we'll be uninvolved.
		But there will be people in major cities that are real dumb and just do whatever they're told and they operate like single cells.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		You ever read John Robb, Global Guerrillas?
		It's a really good substack.
		He started doing link analysis during Iraq War II, tracing networks of bin Ladenites in the Sunni insurgency and stuff like that.
		And then he took his same link analysis and he applied it to what he calls the liberal Twitter storm from or swarm, pardon me, from the pre-Musk days on Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now they're on Blue Sky.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And essentially what he was saying was he said the exact same thing that you just said, only without the AI part running it all, but more just this is the effect of the social networking way that it's been, and this is how the people have adapted to it.
		And it absolutely is.
		Essentially, I mean, this is, there's a thing, board, this, the trans thing is part of everything.
		It's that area.
		It's mass containing AI taking it over.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't need to be an AI taking over to do it.
		It could be emergent as well.
		But we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show.
		So smash the like button, share the show.
		Stay tuned.
		Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL, where the uncensored portion will begin.
		And you, members of our Discord community, will call in and talk to us and our guests.
		It'll be a lot of fun.
		You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
		Scott, do you want to shout anything out?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Again, the Scott Horton Academy is my huge new project I've been working on with Tom Woods basically all year long.
		We already got a 30-hour course by me on the Middle East.
		And you get for lifetime subscribers, you get a free copy of Enough Already and some other goodies and stuff like that.
		I hope I reached my guy in time to get promo code Tim for 10% off at ScottHortonAcademy.com.
		And it's me and a bunch of other great experts on all kinds of stuff.
		So if you like anti-war, pro-capitalist foreign policy type stuff, check it out, ScottHortonAcademy.com.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And your book, Fool's Errand, was great.
		And I have enough already.
		I have not read it yet.
		I'm sorry.
		Thank you.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, so Fool's Errand, that's my first book.
		Thank you for saying that.
		That's my book about time to get out of Afghanistan.
		Enough already is time to end the war on terrorism.
		And then this is the latest is Provoked, How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine.
		All those are on Amazon.
		And I wanted to bring this to you, Tim, too.
		I wanted to show you guys this.
		This is by my friend Sheldon Richmond, my associate at the Libertarian Institute.
		And he was raised Jewish and Zionist in Philadelphia.
		He's what you would call, I think, a right-leaning libertarian in that his previous books are about homeschool and guns and against the IRS, right?
		He's one of our guys.
		And what happened was he just learned so much about Israel-Palestine.
		This is a collection of about 30 essays that he wrote over the years.
		It's very thin.
		You get through it in an afternoon.
		It's about 20 or 30 essays that he wrote about the situation over there over the years.
		And I think it says people don't want to have to identify with some left-wing wokeist or, you know, something like that on the Israel-Palestine issue.
		Well, here's pro-capitalism, patriotic, property rights-based arguments for the people of Palestine and their rights.
		And I think it'll be very useful for people if you're interested in it.
		I wanted to make sure that you had it.
unidentified		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Guys, it has been a great time.
		This is my last night on the show for a bit.
		This has just been an incredibly humbling and amazing experience.
		I'm very grateful to all of you for getting our show fully funded.
		It's incredible.
		We have about two hours left in the campaign.
		We're at something like 104% funded, which is just massive.
		So thank you guys for this.
		A civilization can't survive if its stories are told by people who hate it.
		I am going to tell stories that you guys are going to love because the message that you've sent with each and every single contribution you have made has been that people want entertainment that is produced by people who don't want to destroy their culture, who don't hate their values, who don't hate them as people.
		And most of all, they want it to be grassroots.
		They want it to be real.
		They want it to be authentic.
		What I'm going to make for you is going to be authentic.
		It's going to be incredible.
		You're going to love it.
		Thank you so much.
		God bless all of you.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		What's the website for that?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Twistedplots.com.
unidentified		Sweet.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Congrats on that.
unidentified		That's great.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		God is good.
		Very blessed.
		Thank you, Mother Teresa.
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		Anyway, Phil.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Phil.
		No, I'm just kidding.
		I'll talk first.
		Amen.
		I love you.
		Hey, guys, I'm going over to Inverted World with Shane Cashman and Brandon Minor.
		I'm going to ask him.
		What's that?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I forgot you were leaving early.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm off and up out.
		I'm not going to be on the after show.
		So watch the after show, then come over to Inverted World.
		And I'm going to ask him about that Virginia instance that Tim was talking about earlier.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I showed him the whole thread.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Bro, that's nuts.
		I want to go deeper.
		We'll go deeper.
		And we'll be on till midnight.
		So get in there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We might put something together on it and go explore and interview people.
		And then I'll take the thread and I'll just redact all the addresses and stuff and go through it.
		It's long.
		It's a long thread.
		It was like a half an hour while I was.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		Awesome.
		And I just did a documentary, shout out documentary 67 Kevin in production at Graphing.
		It's on Graphing at Rice University.
		It was fascinating.
		Turned out to be an incredible nanotechnology documentary.
		White-pilled me, like, gave me lots of different avenues of hope.
		So things can get dark, but things can also get bright.
		So let's stick together and keep doing this.
		I love you, Phil.
		Take me out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am Phil That Remains on Twix.
		The band is all that remains.
		You can check us out on all that remainsonline.com.
		You can listen to the music on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer.
		Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will see you all at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for hanging out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yo, what up?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We didn't get to talk about how Hassan is a communist.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		No, who is this guy's related to Jank Younger, right?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of him, but I really don't know the deal.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's his uncle.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		He seems very pretentious.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
hasan piker ▲ ● ▼		My mind.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		On first calling.
hasan piker ▲ ● ▼		In my conscience, I have already become Chinese.
		Okay?
		We were already white Chinese in this chat.
		I've already become full Chinese.
		Okay?
		Let me just start by saying that it's fucking sick.
		Okay?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		This is only after the rest.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
hasan piker ▲ ● ▼		You have abundance-style consumption paired up with a centrally controlled economy.
unidentified		This guy seems really dumb that has yielded tremendous development.
hasan piker ▲ ● ▼		No.
		You have 19 Soviet Arabs, an economic system that has yielded tremendous development.
		You have 1950s Soviet-era building blocks next to the Gucci store.
		If there was more, if there was ever a country that represented the synthesis, the things that I enjoy so much personally, if ever such a country existed, I do not know.
		You have to try the premium grilled chicken sandwich in McDonald's China, or I'm going to report you to the CCP officials.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad I have to change that.
unidentified		You have met me at the very craziest time in my life, Chad.
unidentified		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's a commie.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He should stay there.
unidentified		I suspect that he's getting paid for this.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		There's no way his IQ is above like the mid-90 range.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's like 95 tops.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		I think if you're tracking the current state of U.S. politics and you're rich, you're going to do what most industrialists and Democrats and uniparty politics have been doing.
		It's transfer your wealth to China, praise the Chinese government because that's the next.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're betting.
		I think you're right.
		A lot of them are betting on it.
		I actually, I think if Hassan ever does anything intelligent, it's by accident.
		So even if it seems like this conniving, brilliant strategy, he stumbled into it, dude.
		He's not a bright guy.
		He is actually really stupid.
		And by the way, there are people on the left who I disagree with who I think are sharp, who I think are rhetorically gifted, who I think are intelligent.
		They just come to the wrong conclusions.
		Hassan Piker is actually a dumb guy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He, yeah, the pickup artist stuff, it was Brocode was one of the things that he was originally doing.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Really?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		He was, he would, he would try to, he would talk about how to pick up women, and it was full-on misogyny all the time.
		Like really, really stuff that he would, he looks back on now and he feels a massive amount of shame.
		But it's worth pointing out.
		This is the guy that just got a puff piece in Vanity Fair.
		This is the guy that the left has been saying, we need a Joe Rogan for the left, and that's what Hassan should be.
		And this guy is overtly anti-America.
		Like he specifically says that he's anti-American, and he's over there in China glazing the CCP.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, Hassan Piker loves China because they barbecue dogs there too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was some guy used an algorithm to track how many times he electrocuted his dog.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		How many times?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So like based on the certain, I forgot what he did, but he like that was where I heard of this guy before.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		He was the guy shocking his dog.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He set up some algorithm to scan all of the data from all the all of his streams and then find all the instances where similar events had happened or something.
		And it's like a huge percentage of time.
		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's like 90% of his stream is just him electrocuting his dog.
unidentified		Kaya, please.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Shut off.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Kaya, why are you such a baby?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what happened was that he forgot to turn the, he forgot to mute his microphone.
unidentified		Oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Normally when he electrocutes Kaya, he would mute.
		And so what would happen is a bunch of videos came out where you'd see him, he'd be talking and then he'd turn his head and you'd see his mouth move and then he would move his arm and then the dog would jump up onto the onto the bed real quick, but you couldn't hear it.
		That one time he got caught.
		He goes, Kaya, please.
		And he zaps her.
		She yelps and he forgot to mute the microphone.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I hate to be a shameless self-promoter, but can we pull up the Hassan video that I just did?
		Just, oh, just you watch.
		I did a nice little cartoon about Hassan Pierre.
		I did two about them, but the one I did recently, I think chat would like here.
		I think you all might enjoy.
		It's the recent one.
		Yes.
		This is all actual audio from him, by the way.
unidentified		9-11, dude.
		I'm saying it.
		We totally brought it on ourselves, dude.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Holy shit.
unidentified		We did.
		We fucking did in a video game.
		If you cared about Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud, you would kill Rick Scott.
		Kim Pool and Destiny are the same.
		If there was, obviously, a real karmic justice out there, they would be treated in the exact same way actual person.
		He's a different destiny.
		He'd be shanking these motherfuckers.
		Letting their letting their intestines just ride on stage.
		Slice them up.
		Slice him and dice them.
		What the f is this?
		Yeah, kill them.
		Kill those motherfuckers in a video game.
		Sorry.
		You are a Nazi video and your end will come.
		Your end will come just like every other Nazis end game, okay?
		Have that fear in the back of your mind every single day of your existence going on from this point onward.
		Remember that.
		One day you will find yourself in that bunker, okay?
		Disgusting Phil murder those motherfuckers in the street.
		Let the streets let the streets soak in their red capitalist bloods, dude.
		The moment is clear.
		You gotta stick like the ACP guys on going.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Even I was surprised by how much material they're all left in.
unidentified		They're just like saying stuff like that.
		You were originally going to loop it for two hours and say it was a real nice construction as a joke.
		Do you think it's like murder for that reason?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you do that and put it on Twitter?
unidentified		What are you talking about?
unidentified		The movie in the Scottish is a perfectly moral action.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was imagining Seamus for two minutes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
		No, it wasn't quite like that.
		We cut different noise.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was saying what you should do is it should be the dog sleeping and Hassan says the crazy, crazy shit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then he randomly goes, Kaya, please.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I know, but I just thought it'd be really funny to have the talk in the background the entire time.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Just getting bar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's got the hat, the thing on its head.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like getting bar penalty.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm going to go to callers on the skateboard.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to ask if that was like an answer to Santa Cruz or indie trucks backing out and taking Iron Cross off of their logo.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that an Iron Cross?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's not.
unidentified		No.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, there used to be the Iron Cross was the Indy logo.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And they got rid of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Indy never used the Iron Cross.
		It's closer to a Maltese cross.
		And they were accused of being racist.
		So the moment they abandoned the logo, I took it and I own it now.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was what I was asking.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So we pussies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We own it.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Indie Trucks gave up because they got.
		And you're saying it wasn't even an Iron Cross.
		It just sort of looked like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Although I think that's why they chose losers.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		But still, that's really sad.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		But I'm glad that you did take it up because you're showing what wimps they are for backing out of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a valuable piece of intellectual property.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They abandoned it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do if they try to reclaim it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They can't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's been five years.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For five years, we have sold boards and featured them on the show with that logo.
		And we've sold multiple versions of it.
		They have literally no argument.
		It doesn't appear anywhere on their website.
		And at first, I was like, I hope they sent me a cease and desist and try and claim it because then I'll publicly say independent has asserted ownership of that logo.
		Bro, there are people with tattoos of that logo.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's how iconic it is for the past 60, 70 years.
		And they abandoned it.
		I took it.
		We're going to go to callers and let's start with Anti-Woke Inquisitor.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Hey, how you doing?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
		Thank you for taking my call.
		My question is for the panel.
		There has been an intent, there's been an intense backlash against Nick Fuentes lately.
		Some say it's period by his controversial statements, while others argue it's the boomer cont establishment trying to smother an emerging post-right, like post-liberal right.
		Before he can get some serious momentum, do you think it's either of those things?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think Nick Fuentes has said that he likes Hitler, and that's a no-go for most regular people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Even if he was only saying it as a joke or to be edgy, which I actually don't think that he was saying it to be edgy, but like take his argument at face value.
		He's only saying it to be edgy and stuff.
		It's still something that to most people, the young generation, probably Gen Z and Gen Alpha not included, but most people look at Hitler and look at the history of World War II and they're repulsed.
		So he's not going to win any friends and people are going to disavow that usually right out of hand.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there you go.
		That and it's a bunch of the like Israel first people that are mad because he doesn't like Israel.
		And so their criticism is more so their Israel focus.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, and they like to pretend that if you're on the right, you love Israel, unless you're so far to the right that you're actually a fascist, in which case you hate Jews and that's why you hate Israel or dislike Israel.
		And that's not true at all.
		And they want to push that narrative.
		Again, that's why they're so upset about Tucker is because his existence proves how not true that is.
		And then so I think Fuentes basically is the Zionists' alibi that see the anti-Zionist right is the anti-Jewish right.
		I think that's good PR for the pro-Israel faction.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's it's kind of smart if you're betting against America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You either want to be anti-Israel or you want to be pro-China or pro-Israel.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's a good way to get us terrorist attacked.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not if you're anti-America.
		Because without the U.S., Israel's cooked.
		And like that, that whole Israel-U.S. thing.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's so true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Without America, Israel has to make peace with their neighbors instead of acting like the current iteration of the Israeli military policy and foreign policy is over and the structure of their government, their strategies are gone.
		So if you are betting that the U.S. is going to fall, what do you want to do?
		You want to side with the Islamic world, which is substantially larger, wealthier, especially with the Saudis dumping the petrodollar deal.
		If you want to make money, there's a lot of money to be made.
		I mean, look at, here's a good example, like Ian Miles Chong, right?
		Where does he live?
		Malaysia?
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he panders to an American audience.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's a prominent conservative.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I envy you.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You had no idea.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I got a lot of jobs, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian Miles Chong lives in Malaysia, but posts American conservative content and makes a shitload of money.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And he said things like, I don't want you to be able to agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		As a Malaysian, the amount of money he makes makes him a millionaire by Malaysian standards.
		So if you're in the United States and you want to get massive viewership, anti-Israel is the way to go because you're going to get Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia.
		They're going to be interested in sponsoring, promoting, or just general viewership.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So, like, for instance, a lot of— I've been doing my show for 25 years, and my listenership is absolutely in the dumps, and I'm better on Israel than anybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you aren't like, so the issue with Tucker, Candace, or Nick is the size of their audience and their, like, Candace reaches millennial women.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's already huge.
		Tucker, of course, too.
		We're both huge before they turned against Israel, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if you approach this space, like there was a false accusation that Tucker took $250,000 to do an interview with the premiere of Qatar.
		It was actually that a lobbying firm paid to organize the interview with Tucker.
		But the point is, you've got a massive viewership if you can tap into the Islamic world, and you're not going to do that being pro-Israel.
		So you could theoretically, here's a really great example.
		The top live streams in the past year on YouTube have dwarfed American live streams.
		So Timcast IRL tends to be one of the biggest streams, if not the biggest primetime stream.
		And we average right now offseason about 50,000 concurrents.
		We're doing, like today it was pretty low.
		It happens.
		We had 24,000 current viewers, but we also had 20-something thousand on Rumble.
		So we had about 45K.
		We usually do around 50 to 60K.
		And this puts us in the number one primetime slot in the United States.
		Crowder beats us in the mornings.
		He has a bigger morning show.
		But Candace has recently been taking over with a massive amount of viewers.
		And I'm not going to, you know, I don't know if you'd be offended by the statement, but I would be willing to bet you'd find a substantial portion of her live audience is coming from Indonesia, Malaysia, or Pakistan.
		Because no American show has surpassed these numbers.
		And we're in an offseason.
		So it's anomalous.
		It could just be that she has a great show and people really like watching it.
		That's fine too.
		But the biggest shows actually are these Spanish reality soap opera things or Brazilian, I think.
		And they get like 100 to 500,000 concurrent viewers.
		Yeah, absolutely insane.
		The biggest we've seen.
		And it looks real.
		I don't know for sure.
		But if you are taking the approach that Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk and you already had a big show and you target these anti-Israel markets, you're going to get 100 to 200,000 concurrence.
		That doesn't exist.
		It's really interesting, I would add, because the speculation comes from the fact that as the corporate press was dying out and YouTube and Twitch were growing in user base, you'd expect shows like ours to gain more and more viewers.
		And Timcast IRL has.
		So four years ago, we were averaging like 26,000 concurrent viewers in the offseason before the midterm, before 2022.
		In 2022, then we ended up going to like 30, 38.
		Then the midterm year, we had a really great year.
		Then you get the primary year.
		Then you get the presidential cycle.
		And we were doing like 80,000 concurrence.
		It was massive.
		Now, once again, politics drops down, but we've been able to maintain a decent amount of that growth and been averaging in an off year twice as much, just about what we were in 2021.
		So we are the biggest primetime stream and we've only gotten bigger.
		It's strange to see shows pop up and defy the numbers of all the dominant streams, including Kaisenet and iShow Speed.
		So the question is, how does Candace Owens beat iShow Speed and Kaisenet?
		That's a weird question for an American political audience that is in the decline.
		The assumption from most analysts in the space is that Nick Fuentes, Candace, and Tucker have been attracting a large Islamic world audience with their anti-Israel stances and prominent viewership.
		And they've also received some benefit from this.
		Not like they're getting paid directly to have these positions, but you're going to do better in ad sales if you're attracting a larger portion of the audience.
		And then sponsors are going to want to come and buy ads, whether you're aware of that or not.
		It could just be that Tucker and Candace are big personalities with big shows, and they've convinced a large portion of the American population to tune in to these streaming platforms in ways they haven't done before.
		But the general track, when I talk to like these podcast networks, the general assumption is they're pulling in Pakistan and Malaysia, these big Islamic nations.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Do you have something anomalous about Tucker's numbers too, growing in a weird time?
		Tucker and whatever.
		You know, he's not pushing Charlie Kirk stuff or any of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, Tucker.
		Tucker's actually smaller than where he was when he first started.
		When he first came out of the scene after leaving Fox, he was big and he's actually gone down a bit, which you kind of expect from a show entering the medium.
		But Candace and Nick Fuentes have a growth that is incongruous with market standards in the United States.
		Again, it could just be shifting demographics and Gen Z and things are changing.
		One of the theories is that Candace attracts a.
		The reason Candace Owens is doing true crime drama over Charlie Kirk is that that's what women like to watch.
		Women love murder mystery true crime and she's found a way to hybridize news and true crime drama, which is why, two months later, it's the principal focus of her content, despite the fact it's been two months and there's like you know.
		So what do you do?
		You milk it.
		Tposa must have been involved because you have to keep going with it.
		Uh, what i've heard from people is that Nick has made comments recently about brown people that contradict statements he's made in the past.
		Like he started saying racism is bad, whereas he used to say he used to talk shit about non-white people and the the argument is that as he started to attract a larger Middle Eastern audience, they don't resonate with him insulting non-white people, and there was some viral clip where he said something about you know white people and being better and his the chat was just nuked, him being like you're wrong, that blah blah, and then he walked it back and said racism is is low iq shit.
		So the assumption people are making is that he's not has to contend with a large Middle eastern audience that are non-white, so he can't say things about white people being better than them.
		I don't know that that's true.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Uh, I will say I mean I, but I mean it seemed to me, and I really don't know a lot about the guy, but it I guess I heard this from Dave and uh, Dave Smith and stuff that the correlation, the strong correlation here, is that Charlie Kirk got shot and he decided that he better be a little bit more responsible now and started to back down.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not that he had ever really apologized, not that he ever did like say he was sorry for anything, but I mean he did say on Dave's show and on Tucker's show, if anybody were to decide that they need to be more responsible with their rhetoric after Charlie Kirk's assassination, it would be someone on the left, not someone on the right.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, i'm not saying that doesn't make sense to me what you just said.
unidentified		Well, because it's I wasn't responsible rhetoric.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't.
		I wasn't saying that it was one of his fans that did it or anything.
		I was just saying something terrible and violent happened and I I think he grew up a little bit.
		It seemed like he was.
		That seemed to me to be and that was what Dave Smith told me.
		That was the before and after when he and remember, after Kirk was shot he, he did a huge show where he was like um, what positive and sincere and whatever, and didn't and gave respect to his former dead opponent and all that might have been maybe like the first episode of his show that they ever watched.
		And they're like surprised that uh, he's not a walking talking 30 second clip, like I wasn't surprised by that at all okay well, but like on Tucker's show and on, and I think on Dave's show, I think he was backing down a little bit from uh, some of the like broader aspersions against people, I don't know um, so I, i'm just saying it, that doesn't necessarily I mean it.
		If the, the idea is like well, what are his incentives to do that?
		It could be Middle Eastern clicks, or it could be that his major political opponent got murdered in front of everybody and and look, he's 20 20 right, so he's, maybe he grew up a little bit.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of that was caricature in the first place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I know, nothing says Tim, going with the Cutter angle is gay as fuck.
		Bro, Theo Von literally went to Cutter, posted a bunch of pictures in the Middle Eastern Qatari garb, and then came back and said Israel's committing genocide.
		And it's just like, I wonder where that opinion came from.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's true, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But when I, yeah, so Theo Von goes to Cutter and gets lobbied, and now all of a sudden he's anti-Israel.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, is that the order?
		When did that happen?
		Because he's been asking, he's been asking questions about Instagram for a while.
		Cutter was first before any of this stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then after his Cutter trip, because what happened was his video clip went viral where he was like, guys, I kind of think that what Israel's doing is a genocide.
		And the response to his post on to this clip on Twitter was everybody posting his cutter trip.
		So people are like, you know, the funny thing is, I point that out.
		And that's gay.
		Why are you saying that, Tim?
		The dude got lobbied by Cutter?
		Do you think lobbying doesn't exist?
		Like, Israel lobbies people too.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		But like you said about Tucker, though, they made false accusations that he took Qatari money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If people went to Israel and then came back and said Israel's great, everybody goes, they got the call.
		But when people go to Qatar and then come back and say Israel's bad, they're like, no, no.
		This is why I think all y'all are retarded.
		Every single one of these people.
		There's videos of people being like, I'm going on a tour of Israel.
		And then everyone's like, 7K, 7K, 7K.
		Got the call, got the call.
		And then you get these fucking people that go to Cutter and then they're like, I think Israel's bad.
		And they're like, no, no, no, no.
		You can't say that they were lobbied.
		You can't say that they were lobbied.
		I'm like, you are all retarded.
		That's why I call it Israel derangement syndrome.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like the biggest accusation about Cutter is that they bribed Tucker Carlson somehow.
		But as you said, that's already been thoroughly debunked, right?
		That was Laura Loomer.
		Showed that somebody paid money to have an interview arranged, but that Tucker didn't get that money.
		Some other company got that money to call him on the phone and have him interview somebody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Connect the premiere of Cutter with Tucker so that he would interview them.
unidentified		Right.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So there's no, yeah.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So a massive false accusation against the biggest guy on the writer.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		But it's all Tim.
		I just wanted to make sure I mentioned this.
		I looked into it and it says that Theo Von's trip to Qatar was on May 15th this year, but the episode that came out on his podcast where he was talking about Gaza was on May 10th.
		And like, I know it could have been out of order, but I'm just saying it's not exactly as you said that he went to Cutter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		What I said was the clip went viral and then people posted his trip, but that's fine and a fair point.
		I would then just say, okay, he made comments about Israel and then got invited to Qatar.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you could just as easily say that.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that people would say that about someone taking a trip to Israel as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And it is, I am so completely united.
		Interested in all this.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I've never been to any of these places overseas.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I think I've been invited to Iran once and just was like, yeah, right.
unidentified		I tweeted out no interest whatsoever in any of that.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Why is everyone getting a free trip to Israel except for me?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And then I did get offered a trip to Israel?
unidentified		Are you serious?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I won't say who offered it to me, but it was.
unidentified		All right, all right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm curious about?
		Anti-awoke.
		Do you want to add anything or shout anything out?
unidentified		Not really.
		I just didn't mean to ask this to be like an Israel thing.
		I just, it just feels demoralizing because it's Israel's, like, Katie gets talked about and like the rights basically just fucked, at least in my opinion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right now, right now it just feels like the only thing the right cares about is Israel because they're retards.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's just like, okay, well, you know, I guess we're not going to fucking figure out the border shit or immigration or the birth crisis or AI.
unidentified		Well, it's like Dave Markle then like screaming.
		Like, I'm not exactly like, I don't care about much about Israel, like, truthfully.
		And it's just like if Mark will then scream about it and like, you know, like respectfully, white people were getting killed in their own countries and were screaming about Israel.
		Like, it's just exhausting.
		That's all.
		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're not shouting.
unidentified		Shout out you, Tim, because I've been watching you like relatively since like 2016-ish.
		Really started in 20s by watching you.
		I love you, man.
		And Seamus, you got me back into Catholicism.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God bless you.
unidentified		And slowly started to agree with your opinions, but basically everything.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		God bless you, man.
		Pray for me.
		I'll pray for you.
		God bless you.
		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling in, brother.
unidentified		That's tremendous.
		Thank you so much.
		You guys have a good night.
		I apologize if I made things about Israel.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for your call.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Next up, we've got Mrs. Faye.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is up?
unidentified		Hey, thank you guys for inviting me on to this question.
		I was mostly wondering about what y'all's opinion was going to be on the fact that in this bill where they've basically opened up the government again, I believe they've added something into basically get rid of THC and THC products.
		And it's going to happen like right before the holidays.
		Everybody's panicking.
		As much as people don't like it, it does add a lot of tax revenue.
		And there's a lot of jobs associated with a lot of these sales that are going to start disappearing.
		What is y'all's opinion on how it's going to affect the economy as well as the midterms?
		Because, you know, that was added in from my understanding by Mitch McConnell.
		So I'm with her.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I think it's going to be a disaster.
		It's going to hurt a bunch of farmers, gonna hurt a bunch of head shops and whoever, and put however many thousands of people out of work.
		And it's just another example that the right claims to protect freedom, but yeah, only compared to a bunch of communists.
		But freedom is actually not their priority, right?
		Why did they even do this?
		Because somebody lobbied them to do it.
		Because somebody's in competition with hemp and they don't want the competition.
		That's why.
		You don't even have to know the exact story.
		You know, it's because they're criminals.
		And Rand Paul tried to stop them and they overrode him.
		And this is going to hurt farmers.
		That's not an important constituency for Republicans.
		It just makes them look like they don't care any more about us than the Democrats do.
		They really don't.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not sure the specifics on the legislation.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So I don't really have an opinion.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I think what had happened before, if I understand it right, what had happened before was they wrote a good loophole that said if it doesn't have Delta 9 tetrahydroconnaminol, then you can sell it.
		So that's good for hemp farming for industry, but it also is the Delta 8 loophole.
		So now you can smoke like mediocre pot legally, even in non-pot states and whatever, right?
		So now they want to close that loophole.
		But the thing is, it's been open for a long time.
		And so there's a lot of people invested in this.
		And it's going to affect hemp farming too.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		It's going to affect anybody who has anything to do with cannabis on that level.
		And so, yeah, who knows?
		It's a huge political mistake, though.
		I think you talk about the midterm.
		Shout was what she asked.
		How's this going to affect the Republicans?
		It makes them look terrible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is marijuana illegal in Saudi Arabia?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You believe so, yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, then it's likely going to be illegal here soon.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Scott, what about my freedom to walk around in a city that doesn't stink?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		That's a tragedy of the comments.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		My freedom matters.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Privatize the sidewalks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I was just thinking?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Listen, on my private sidewalk, that stuff's banned.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Privatize the air.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I was just thinking?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		And you have the right to not be polluted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to buy if Nick Fuentes represents the Gen Z right, then the Gen Z right will cease to exist because that guy's not inspiring people to have families and get laid.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		What does this have to do with weed?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm so good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Saudi Arabia taking over, banning marijuana.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Islam is going to dominate the United States.
unidentified		Got it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So everybody should get high and get laid and make babies to hold the Saudis at bay.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		The question is married and have babies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Islam, the argument is either the United States becomes Christian conservative or Islamic because those are the only ones that reproduce.
		But Islam, Islamic families reproduce at much higher rates than Christian families.
		And if Nick Fuentes represents the Gen Z, right, those people aren't having kids.
		Like, Nick is not the kind of guy that inspires you to do muscle-ups and then be a strong, attractive leader that's going to get laid.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but do you need another man to tell you to like girls?
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You need another man to teach you how to be a man to be attractive to women, yes.
unidentified		Maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so when you have these like scrawny, effeminate guys left or right, women don't want it.
		So like Myron Gaines will probably do a better job of attracting, of convincing guys to be like womenizing breeders or whatever you want to call it.
		But he's Muslim, isn't he?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So there you go.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Iron, yeah, I'm pretty sure he's Muslim.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think he said that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Islam's going to win.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Will not win in the long run.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just think it's funny.
		Like, someone in the chat said I was spurting over Nick.
		Dude, like, Nick is a frail, effeminate man.
		Like, and I'm not arguing his opinions.
		I'm stating a fact.
		If you can't handle that fact, you're a pussy.
		Cry more about it.
		But come on.
		Nick's 100 pounds soaking wet.
		That's not disparaging his thoughts or opinions or anything.
		He can debate these ideas.
		And I'll still point out that he's frail as a fucking sack of feathers.
		He is.
		And we need young men to learn how to do muscle ups.
		Not like I can do those, but I've jumped off buildings and I've run through conflict zones.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I'm scrawny, but I skateboard.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		So screw you guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I exercise and I train and I've done hostile environments.
		And I'm not going to pretend to be man enough.
		I'm talking, you need a SEAL guy to teach people to be men.
		If young guys are looking up to Nick for his political views, but those don't include lifting and being fit, you're going to have a bunch of scrawny, angry, effeminate men that can't do shit.
		And if you have a problem with that, that's you because you're a pussy.
		Cry more about it.
		It's a fact.
		So go to Andrew Tate, I guess.
		Tate tells people to get fit.
		He's jacked as fuck and he's a kickboxer.
		So there you go.
		That's where you can find your advice from.
		At least that guy will teach men to actually get testosterone.
		You can complain about Israel all you want with Nick.
		That's fine.
		That was always allowed.
		Anyway.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Getting girls pregnant is really easy, by the way.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why anybody would have to work that hard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a question of do women want to have babies with you.
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, they do with me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, Mary, do you find Nick attractive?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Not personally, but I don't know if that really matters for what he's doing in this space.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If a bunch of young men just imitate him and they end up frail, effeminate, 100 pounds soaking wet, they're going to have a hard time reproducing.
		Look at Hassan Piker.
		That guy is dumb as a box of rocks, and I feel bad because that's insulting rocks.
		But that dude has all the ladies trying to mack up on him.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		All of them?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are you joking?
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at Luigi Mangioni.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't find Hassan Piker attractive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, like fair point if you're the metric.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		But I also don't think that's like the number one thing that should matter about someone who has a platform in the political space.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a very female thing to say.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Being attractive to women shouldn't be the number one priority.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Men.
		Male leaders tend to be tall.
		There is a biological reality for politics, leadership, and leading a generation.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Is very different from being a politician.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If people emulate Nick, they are going to be less successful than if people emulate Andrew Tate or Myron Gaines.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Both Andrew Tate and Myron Gaines are like friends with him, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And Myron Gaines is tall and fit, and Andrew Tate is super fit and tall.
		And Nick Fuentes is frail and effeminate.
		And the point is, if young white guys are frail and effeminate and they decide to follow him and they don't incorporate the lessons of hard physical activity, you're going to have a generation of right-wing, frail, effeminate men who can't get shit done.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's also a perception that physical strength is, it like matters more, like what's on the outside than what's on the inside.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And sometimes like muscles are like a costume for someone who feels kind of powerless.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So okay, their own lives.
		Okay Cupid had a blog that was really hilarious where they said women kept posting in their profiles.
		If you take, if you have a profile picture with no shirt on, don't bother messaging me.
		And they found that women, even with that post in their profiles, overwhelmingly responded to men who took their shirts on.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not talking about women's response to how men look.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about men's motivations for getting fit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't matter.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think they should have the right motivations to do that.
		And I agree with that.
		I'm just saying, like, don't think that that's a substitute for being mentally tough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I think a lot of people turn to that if young men emulate Nick Fuentes.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Religion of self-improvement over improving themselves on the interior level.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's all I was trying to say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why that's not.
		It's funny because it's like there's a biological reality to masculinity and fitness and what people are willing to lead in terms of men and what women are attracted to.
		And before speech even matters, physical appearance and strength matter.
		And it is a function of feminism, this almost blank slate argument.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not making that argument.
		You seem to be very adamant that I'm making an argument that I'm not making.
		So I don't know what to say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I don't know what you're arguing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If my point is, if young men emulate Nick Fuentes, they will be frail and effeminate like Nick.
unidentified		Okay.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's just you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you'll get an Islamic country saying to me.
unidentified		What did I twist that you were saying?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You were kind of trying to twist what I was saying to say, like, oh, Mary thinks like physical fitness doesn't matter.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I did not say that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, then are we in agreement that if people emulate Nick, they'll be frail and effeminate?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		What, in like every aspect of their lives, if they just mirrored their entire life after a podcaster?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they emulate Nick Fuentes.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they should do that anyway with anybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what people do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think anyone should look at Tim Poole's life and then mirror literally every aspect of their own life after yours either.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a bit of an absolute.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just said emulate.
unidentified		Behavior.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Meaning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People will be inspired by who he is and what he does and incorporate that into their lives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that doesn't include a message of being fit and exercising.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I think that, like, from what I can tell, he tells people not to be like him all the time.
		So this, what you're saying doesn't make sense to me because he tells people to not emulate him a lot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I said, if they do, they will be frail and effeminate like him.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I just don't really want to be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think you're personally offended by me insulting Nick Fuentes.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to be part of whatever clip you're trying to farm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What clip is this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The uncensored show.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Look, I've said what I wanted to say.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You said what you wanted to say.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mrs. Frey, you want to add anything or shout anything out?
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		I saw, well, be 100% grassy.
		Said Beef Tower.
		Mm-hmm.
		Right on Christmas gifts.
		Sweet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling in.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Next up, we got Impure Hunter.
unidentified		What's up?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What's up, homie?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		I know this is.
unidentified		Hey, what's up?
scott horton ▲ ● ▼		This is one of my Twitter.
unidentified		Yeah, so my question was for Scott.

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