Nov. 11, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to another very normal episode of Tim Cast IRL where nothing has changed. | ||
| I am Tim Poole. | ||
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| So, today's show, we've got a lot of awesome guests. | ||
| Sitting across from me is one of the CEOs of the Babylon B. If you'd like to introduce yourself, CTO of the Babylon B. CTO, my apologies. | ||
| Co-owner and CTO of the Babylon B. My name is Dan Dylan, and I'm also the CEO and founder of NotTheB, which is the sister site of the Babylon B. | ||
| That is real news. | ||
| So, basically, the news that happened six weeks after the prophecies of the Babylon B. | ||
| The Not the B to the B pipeline. | ||
| It's a pipeline, right? | ||
| I am Shane Cashman. | ||
| I'm the host of Inverted World Live. | ||
| I'll be running out of here around 9:30 to do my show at 10 on Rumble and YouTube. | ||
| I will be joined by Viva Fry to talk about the ostrich massacre in Canada, which is insane. | ||
| An insane calling of ostriches. | ||
| Can you just say like five words about that before? | ||
| Because I don't think we're going to move on. | ||
| The Canadian government said that these ostriches were a hazard, a health hazard. | ||
| So, to destroy any threat of the avian flu, they went in there and shot all the ostriches. | ||
| How long ago is this? | ||
| Just this weekend. | ||
| Oh my gosh, this is recent. | ||
| I believe Viva was on the phone with the owner of the farm as the gunshots were ringing out. | ||
| So, he's got a lot of information about that. | ||
| We'll be talking about that. | ||
| And we take phone calls till midnight. | ||
| So, awesome. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| We have Ilad. | ||
| Very cool, Shane. | ||
| Good evening, everybody. | ||
| I'm Alad Eliyahu. | ||
| I'm the White House correspondent here at Timcast. | ||
| Phil, how's it going? | ||
| Hello, everybody. | ||
| My name is Phil Labonte. | ||
| I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains on anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| And of course, pushing the buttons, we got our boy Surge. | ||
| So, first story: illegal Mexican immigrant with a rap sheet arrested for shooting at Border Patrol agents during a Chicago raid. | ||
| An illegal immigrant from Mexico was arrested after he allegedly opened fire at Border Patrol agents during a weekend raid in Chicago, which also saw protesters lobbying bricks at the fence. | ||
| Now, here's the thing: here's the thing, and this is just my personal perspective, New York Post. | ||
| I think when you're lobbying bricks, you're no longer protesters. | ||
| I think maybe at that point, you graduate into rioter territory. | ||
| I don't think that throwing bricks at law enforcement is a legitimate form of protesting. | ||
| If you're missing, then you're mostly peaceful. | ||
| Lobbing sounds like they're playing catch. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, they're just lobbying. | ||
| That was, I can't remember which outlet it was, but when they were talking about Jay Jones, they said he was musing. | ||
| He was musing about those children dying. | ||
| Oh, just musing? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The man who was not identified allegedly drove up alongside agents during an imminent raid in Chicago's little village and fired a few rounds before speeding off in a jeep. | ||
| Now, again, I just want to be clear: when a bunch of people show up to the location where a law enforcement raid is going to occur and start throwing bricks at police officers, and one of them starts shooting at the police, that is not a protest. | ||
| That is obstruction of law enforcement, and that is a riot. | ||
| That's a gunfight. | ||
| That's a gunfight at that point. | ||
| You're absolutely correct. | ||
| I want to know why the law enforcement officers were not engaging the suspect. | ||
| Yeah, good question. | ||
| I imagine, and I don't know what the logistics of it were. | ||
| Maybe they were in the crowd and they were afraid of shooting at the crowd with other people in there. | ||
| It doesn't stop New York City cops. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And it didn't stop them from murdering Ashley Babbitt. | ||
| It didn't stop them from murdering Ashley Babbitt. | ||
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That's true. | |
| Where did the bricks come from, too? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I mean, it always seems like there's a pile of bricks. | ||
| Well, I don't know if you know this, but immigrants built America, so they have a lot of bricks inside their mind to continue to do the business of building. | ||
| Chicago is falling apart, so there are bricks from the brick buildings falling apart, laying around all over it. | ||
| Like, even if you look at the picture here in the New York Post article, look at that dilapidated building. | ||
| You could tell like bricks are kind of falling off from the left of that window. | ||
| Do you think they're just like taking a pick out of the building and lobbing it? | ||
| Well, like, I'm assuming their homes are, they're already falling apart. | ||
| Like, half a brick might be on the floor already. | ||
| But I think throwing things like rocks or bricks, what is it? | ||
| It's deadly force, potentially. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Because that's what they officer. | ||
| They should respond proportionately to the deadly force being brought upon them. | ||
| If they get hit in the head by one of these bricks, it's not just a scratch. | ||
| You could die from a brain hemorrhage or what have you. | ||
| And this is one of the stories that the Boomer Generation got one-shotted by was Kent State. | ||
| And what they never told you is before those students got shot, they were lobbing rocks. | ||
| They were literally lobbing rocks. | ||
| Like, here's a general rule. | ||
| If you don't want to get shot, don't throw rocks at people with guns. | ||
| I think that that's a fair enough. | ||
| That won't necessarily guarantee you don't get shot, but I think if you throw a rock at someone who has a fireharm, like the likelihood is they're going to feel a need to defend themselves. | ||
| Now, I also think, of course, a huge part of this is the rhetoric surrounding this issue has paved the way for this kind of obstruction and violence to continue to occur and to worsen. | ||
| We're told that ICE agents and the people who are trying to enforce immigration law from within our borders are criminals. | ||
| They even call them Nazis, are Gestapo. | ||
| And so this is kind of what we should probably expect to see, unfortunately. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They're also saying some of the rhetoric they're using that they're kidnapping these illegal migrants, which I think the rhetoric is crazy. | ||
| I think this is a successor movement to defunding the police. | ||
| Defund the police is no longer popular, but now they're using all that angst and anger that they had in that movement towards ICE and DHS agents around the country. | ||
| I think you're totally right because it is the exact same rhetoric. | ||
| You take something that legitimate law enforcement does and then you apply the label to it that you would apply to it if a citizen who is acting as a vigilante were to engage in that behavior. | ||
| People feel emboldened to agitate and prevent DHS and Border Patrol and other ICE agents from doing their like lolly prescribed duty. | ||
| These are law enforcements. | ||
| They're enforcing the law out here. | ||
| And it's crazy how often protesters are willing to agitate and get in their way. | ||
| It's also fascinating that DHS has chosen not to arrest many, if at all, of these agitators. | ||
| I have seen that they have had DOJ indictments against some elected officials and people who are running for public office. | ||
| For example, in New Jersey, there's La Monica McIver. | ||
| She is a freshman Democrat congresswoman from somewhere in New Jersey. | ||
| She was blocking one of the ICE facilities and she put her hands on an officer. | ||
| She was indicted for that. | ||
| Then there's also Kat Abuzagala from Chicago, who's running outside Chicago. | ||
| She also received an indictment for obstructing justice, allegedly. | ||
| I'd need to look up the specific thing that they're indicting her for. | ||
| But it seems as though you need to be a popular politician or an influencer to get indicted. | ||
| If you're just a regular agitator. | ||
| My favorite was the guy who threw the sandwich. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Oh, yeah, he got off. | ||
| He did get off, but they did at least arrest him. | ||
| I mean, they arrested him. | ||
| They put him in the guy. | ||
| He had to hire a lawyer and defend himself. | ||
| So I don't know if the process is the punishment here, which I don't agree that the punish punishment. | ||
| No, yeah, the process should be the punishment. | ||
| If you're breaking the law, then the punishment should be the punishment. | ||
| If they can't get to you, then the process is the punishment because it's still a bitch to have to go hire a lawyer and the DOJ is coming after you. | ||
| And I can't imagine it's good for your public record to even have that out there publicly. | ||
| Well, why do you think DHS isn't doing enough about this? | ||
| Why do you think they're not arresting people at the ground level? | ||
| They don't want to inflame tensions even further. | ||
| I believe that if they begin arresting people, then like the videos going viral will be of them being physical with protesters, and they're fearful that that might agitate them further. | ||
| This is their way of like calming the crowd, if you will. | ||
| That is not going to work. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| And it has not worked. | ||
| We have evidence in 2020, the summer of 2020, when all the riots were going on. | ||
| There was literal see there was a federal building literally under siege for like 90 days or 100 days, and they didn't do anything definitive. | ||
| They didn't do anything to actually stop the siege because they were afraid of the way that it would be perceived. | ||
| This light touch with protesters and with the left, it is not going to work. | ||
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No. | |
| They will not stop. | ||
| They are going to continue to inflame tensions as much as they can. | ||
| It is time for the government, for the federal government, to use all of its authority to put an end to this behavior. | ||
| End it. | ||
| They have all the authority they need. | ||
| I'm not talking about doing anything illegal. | ||
| I'm not talking about hurting people or violating their rights, but you absolutely can arrest people and stop this absolute trash behavior. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think what inflames and emboldens violent criminals is getting away with it. | ||
| If there's anything we've been taught by history and also statistics about recidivism rates, if they get away with it, they keep doing it. | ||
| And this whole, we're just going to halfway stop them. | ||
| We're just going to half save the country, right? | ||
| Because we don't want to offend the people who want to destroy it too much. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| It's never going to work. | ||
| If you fight, have a revolution. | ||
| You dig your own grave. | ||
| And so we're telling these people they can continue to do what they're doing by not enforcing the law thoroughly. | ||
| And I totally agree with you. | ||
| A, the left never felt a need to take this approach with the right. | ||
| They were going after grannies who wandered into the Capitol after a police officer opened the door for them on January 6th. | ||
| But secondly, we're getting the worst, the worst of both worlds, where it feels like a lot of these White House social media accounts will post these edgy edits, which I think are funny, right? | ||
| But they are inflammatory to a degree. | ||
| But then they won't step in and enforce the law because they think that's too inflammatory. | ||
| So they're doing things to kind of like rally the troops and get us pumped up. | ||
| Dude, I don't want to see another edit made by some Zoomer with heavy bass playing while people get arrested. | ||
| I want you to actually go out and arrest the people who are breaking the law because that video is going to be a great memory for me when the left takes over because you didn't do enough. | ||
| And now we're all locked in prison for standing up for the truth and freedom. | ||
| They are behaving as if the left is going to have something new to accuse them of. | ||
| As if the left is not already calling them Nazis. | ||
| As if the left is not already accusing them of being terrorists. | ||
| Literally, I saw someone tweeting that the DHS was acting like terrorists. | ||
| Doesn't matter what they say. | ||
| And you should not take into account how they are going to respond one bit because they're already doing it. | ||
| This is something that we, this is an argument we make here on the show all the time. | ||
| You cannot worry about the fact that the Democrats or the left are going to say X because they're already saying it. | ||
| You can't worry about what the Democrats are going to do if you do something because they're already going to do something worse when they get into power again. | ||
| You need to exercise power and you need to stop this behavior. | ||
| That is what the government is in, is that's what the mandate the government has is supposed to do. | ||
| They're supposed to make sure that this behavior is not allowed to continue to metastasize across the country. | ||
| I think, sorry, you haven't gotten much of a chance to talk and you were going to say something. | ||
| No, I was just going to say, I mean, I was raised. | ||
| I don't know how you guys were raised, but I was raised to not throw things at police officers. | ||
| And my expectation growing up in the United States would be that if you did, you would get arrested and it would be serious. | ||
| But it seems like anything revolving around immigration and the enforcement of immigration laws for some reason is just handled in a different way, right? | ||
| Like, I mean, seriously, throwing a brick at a police officer or any, it's insane. | ||
| Well, I never had to be told that. | ||
| I was never told by my parents. | ||
| You were never told that bricks at police officers. | ||
| Well, I'm glad you never did it. | ||
| You know, my parents were very specific. | ||
| No, yeah, well, this is what happened. | ||
| Well, this is what's normal: every parent, you know, they know at a certain age they have to give their child the talk. | ||
| The don't throw bricks at police officers talk because people will just do that unless they're influenced. | ||
| But Phil's right. | ||
| I mean, these people were rewarded all throughout the summer of 2020. | ||
| Yeah, they got their politicians, Kamala's people were donating bail money to arsonists. | ||
| We saw people get shot in the head, you know, and people were celebrating the death. | ||
| So you have to show force to help protect. | ||
| That's the New York City thing where they beat the cop and then they just get released the next day. | ||
| And it's like, if I beat a cop, I would not be released the next day, right? | ||
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No. | |
| But I'm an American citizen here legally and all this other stuff. | ||
| I don't understand why it's people who were not even at January 6th were charged with conspiracy. | ||
| And one of the emotionally manipulative tactics the left used throughout the entire persecution of their political enemy process was, well, you know, there were police officers who were harmed on January 6th. | ||
| It's like, oh, yeah, you guys care so much about law enforcement. | ||
| People are literally throwing bricks at cops and you're sitting there going, well, it's civil disobedience. | ||
| They're fascists. | ||
| How many feds were at J6? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| 275. | ||
| Well, here's not take away from the patriots who were protesting the unfairly stolen election at January 6th. | ||
| Based? | ||
| Yeah, no, I feel like we like to whitewash. | ||
| You know, that was the those riots were really the voice of the unspoken. | ||
| What was the MLK line? | ||
| Oh, the MLK, exactly. | ||
| He says, rioting is the language of the unheard. | ||
| It was the language of the unheard at January 6th. | ||
| I hate when people try to, you know, sugarcoat this as feds. | ||
| No, this was a patriot-organized riot, essentially. | ||
| Somebody who covered it. | ||
| I saw patriots stopping agitators on video. | ||
| And those agitators, I believe, are feds who were smashing windows. | ||
| And people who were there to protest, actually protest, not what these guys are doing, were telling them, don't do that. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going with MLK on this one. | ||
| Fed, MLK was a communist. | ||
| That's a mistake. | ||
| Fed, Fed! | ||
| Everyone pointed Elod and yell Fed. | ||
| MLK was a communist, a philanderer. | ||
| Well, here's the other thing, too. | ||
| After the 2020 riots, what did we hear every single day as buildings were being burnt down and people were being murdered? | ||
| And you'd see videos of people crying on camera, why are you doing this? | ||
| Why are you destroying the business? | ||
| I worked my whole life to build. | ||
| These pundits would get on television and they all go, riots are the language of the unheard. | ||
| It's because we are not listening to these people. | ||
| And then the Patriots. | ||
| Talking about the election being stolen. | ||
| And that was the language of the unheard. | ||
| But then, well, this is so funny because they kept saying the reason these riots are happening is because we're not listening to them. | ||
| And then January 6th happens and they go, the reason those riots happen is because we were listening to them. | ||
| We need to shut all these people down, kick them off social media, throw these people in jail. | ||
| So the whole thing's nonsense. | ||
| It's ultimately just their friend-enemy distinction. | ||
| They're saying we like the rioters. | ||
| We don't like the people who are opposed to them. | ||
| When those rioters are on our side, it has nothing to do with tactics. | ||
| So it's unfortunate. | ||
| It's horrifying. | ||
| And the last question I have before we move on to our policy expert, Shane, who's, you know, he's a Shane, as you guys know, is a think tank guy. | ||
| He's spent a lot of time in the halls of academia working with these prestigious institutions. | ||
| I just want to ask you. | ||
| Well, think tank. | ||
| Shane is very much like an establishment guy, is what I'm trying to say. | ||
| Shane is like our establishment voice piece. | ||
| I get that a lot. | ||
| And so I want to hear what is your policy prescription? | ||
| What would you do about this about people throwing bricks at cops? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Well, the people throwing bricks at cops, they got to go to jail. | ||
| I mean, we got to take them away. | ||
| They were, a lot of these people are radicalized in the universities. | ||
| When I was in college as a professor, of course, yeah. | ||
| And as a student, I saw Marxist ideology being bashed. | ||
| These kids were being bashed over the head with it. | ||
| They were saying communist China is great. | ||
| The cultural revolution is a good thing. | ||
| You have to tear down the old institutions to put in your new institution. | ||
| And they hate capitalism. | ||
| They hate anything that goes against their cult. | ||
| So these people think they're doing the right thing. | ||
| Like I'm saying, they think they're the freedom fighters. | ||
| They think they're the heroes. | ||
| And they're also bloodthirsty because they do look at the cultural revolution as a good thing, which was an insane bloodbath, right? | ||
| Chopping heads off of people who were speaking out against the establishment there. | ||
| They're the Jacobins. | ||
| They're the modern Jacobins. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you think they need to be arrested, locked up? | ||
| If they're doing stuff like that, I'm all for protesting, but this is rioting. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| If you're terrorizing citizens and you're hurting police, you know, you got to be punished for sure. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| So, and this is coming from our like establishment. | ||
| Adequate establishment. | ||
| Well, the reason I want to ask you, so I'm asking the establishment guy. | ||
| Now, as you all know, we have Elod, who's like kind of an outsider. | ||
| He doesn't trust the institutions. | ||
| He's carrying a conspiracy theory. | ||
| Really is always talking about the future. | ||
| He thinks the moon is fake. | ||
| He thinks the moon is fake. | ||
| We need to end the Fed. | ||
| We never went there. | ||
| Elod, as someone on the opposite end of the spectrum, what do you think needs to happen to people who throw bricks at police officers? | ||
| Yeah, I think they need to be arrested, detained, and then held to the fullest extent of the law. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| So we have two people from complete opposite ends of the spectrum with respect to approach who are saying these people need to be thrown in prison. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's common sense. | ||
| People throwing bricks at cops need to go to jail. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| Why do we have to talk about it? | ||
| I was saying that all through 2020. | ||
| Like, there should have been more to take these people off the streets instead. | ||
| I was in New York still near Newburgh, New York, and there were people bashing in windows, going crazy. | ||
| And that city is so captured by a lot of leftist ideology. | ||
| The small businesses who were destroyed had their windows bashed out would put up plywood the next day saying, we forgive you. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| And that wasn't unique to just Newburgh, New York. | ||
| You could see that all across the country. | ||
| And before the protests, they were putting up signs saying like, we support BLM. | ||
| Please don't break my window. | ||
| Please don't break my window. | ||
| Black Lives Don't Matter. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Goodness gracious. | ||
| Well, speaking of this very contentious issue of immigration and illegal immigration, this illegal alien invasion and keeping foreigners who break the law off of our streets, there may be some illegals who were not showing up to the protests who were less likely to on account of their weight. | ||
| And Donald Trump's actually calling them out specifically. | ||
| I'm curious which specific problems is going to solve. | ||
| Maybe it's a question about maintaining our health care system. | ||
| But the short of it is the U.S. may deny visas for fat foreigners. | ||
| A memo sent to embassy, I'm sorry, to embassy says health conditions should be taken into consideration when processing applications. | ||
| Foreigners could have their U.S. visas rejected if they are obese. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I do think it's a state. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| I just want to read one more sentence here. | ||
| The State Department said conditions that could cause an additional burden on the state could be grounds to refuse a visa application. | ||
| I'm not sure if you guys saw, but Donald Trump referred to high-calorie persons, which I thought was a great way of putting it. | ||
| I wish he busted that out in 2016. | ||
| I wish he busted that out in 2016. | ||
| High calorie, Hillary. | ||
| No way she can win. | ||
| They say too big to fail. | ||
| Well, she failed at winning that election. | ||
| But what were you going to say, Phil? | ||
| I do think that it is acceptable to have some policies just because it's funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think being fat should be illegal. | ||
| I mean, look, if you know that there are people that are going to consistently be screaming for Medicare for all, if Medicare for all is going to be a thing, then all of your nutrition decisions are public policy. | ||
| I just want to say that is an undeniable fact. | ||
| If the government, if the taxpayer is going to pay for your health care, then the food that you eat is the business of the taxpayer. | ||
| Now, I'm against this entirely. | ||
| I'm against single-payer health care. | ||
| I'm against the government being involved in what you put into your body. | ||
| But if this is something that the people are going to demand, then the people are going to have a say in how much you sit on your ass and don't do anything. | ||
| The people are going to have a say in what you have in your refrigerator. | ||
| That is unquestionable. | ||
| That is going to happen. | ||
| I just think that this is lazy law enforcement because they know they're going to be easy to catch. | ||
| They're like, if we have to deport them, it's not going to be very hard. | ||
| The transportation might be a little more difficult to get them out of the country, but it'll be easy to round them up, pun intended. | ||
| We're going to need bigger like vehicles. | ||
| We're going to need bigger at the bigger seat. | ||
| The other point I wanted to make here, too, is you're absolutely right. | ||
| Listen, if you're going to come to our country because you receive health care benefits, which they do, this is part of why we were talking about the shutdown. | ||
| If they get temporary protected status or even if they entered illegally, they're declared to have been here legally. | ||
| Non-citizens can collect health care and they can receive some of these benefits. | ||
| When people are overweight, they're an additional burden on the healthcare system. | ||
| This is something that future Mayor Mom Donnie made remarks about in his speech. | ||
| There is no issue too small for the government to care about. | ||
| He said that in his acceptance speech the other night. | ||
| And these people are big. | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| But the point that he was making is the government will have a say in every part of your life. | ||
| That is not something that is up for debate. | ||
| That is not something that we're going to question. | ||
| If the left has their way and if the government is going to say, oh, we're going to provide you with this, with health care and health, you know, with Medicare for all, they are going to be involved in what you eat. | ||
| They're going to be telling you, citizen, you have not done enough exercise, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| Now, yeah, what do you think of this, Elad? | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| I don't necessarily degree with laws on, disagree with laws on principle, but I do think it is a little bit ironic because Americans on average are a lot fatter than most on average people of any. | ||
| You want us to get bigger? | ||
| You want to make that problem worse? | ||
| But I think even a fat person from another country might be bringing the weight average down. | ||
| Moreover, Americans have the highest per capita health spending among high-income nations and still have the worst health outcomes. | ||
| So it's just ironic. | ||
| If other countries were to start advancing legislation like this, it would probably hurt Americans a whole lot. | ||
| So I just think it's a little bit ironic from that point of view because we are very fat Americans. | ||
| And I talk more trash about fat Americans, but there are probably a lot of fat Americans in our audience. | ||
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And I don't want to say that I already have. | |
| But do you understand that we're not going to be able to do that? | ||
| I don't think it's ironic. | ||
| Yeah, but that would make more sense for why we want to limit it. | ||
| It's like if we had a bunch of people who were suffering from some other, you don't think it's a real issue? | ||
| I think Americans think more in taxpayer money for the health insurance systems. | ||
| They do, but I think it's a, I don't think this is what's burdening our health care system. | ||
| It's fat Americans who are burdening our health care systems, unfortunately. | ||
| And I'll say that as somebody who's a little bit overweight myself, I could afford to lose a few pounds. | ||
| But this, you know, stopping more. | ||
| Yeah, I don't Disagree with these laws in principle. | ||
| You just want to take a look at the moment. | ||
| I think there's all your fellow Americans. | ||
| It's still ironic because we have these poor health outcomes. | ||
| And like, you know, this is a part of the bigger picture, too, because, you know, the issue with having a single-payer healthcare system or having Obamacare or what have you is that our costs are so high. | ||
| Why are our costs so high? | ||
| It's because Americans are so unhealthy. | ||
| Generally, why are Americans so unhealthy? | ||
| Because we're so fat. | ||
| We're really fat. | ||
| So I feel like we're pointing the finger at some other countries. | ||
| It's like, yeah, you can't get in here, but it's like we're a fat dude. | ||
| Do you think we're fat shaming or that this is just reasonable? | ||
| Not possible. | ||
| Yeah, I want to hear the guest. | ||
| Because yes, the only reason that our health care costs are so high is not just because we are unhealthy, but it's also because we have so many immigrants in our country that are going to the emergency rooms and using our health care system, whether they're actually collecting Medicare or not. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're in the emergency rooms. | ||
| They're getting, you know, care before we are. | ||
| And in reality, you know, like these, a person who's coming in who's significantly obese, you know, they're going to come in and use that health care significantly more than I don't disagree with you. | ||
| I think two things can be true at once, though. | ||
| Illegal immigration burdens our healthcare system. | ||
| Americans being generally unhealthy, morbidly obese, very overweight. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| We're known for. | ||
| Is what leads to more unhealthy outcomes, which leads us to have the worst health outcomes despite spending the most per capita. | ||
| And look, we love to eat here. | ||
| Everything's bigger in Texas. | ||
| You know, we love our Texas barbecue and whatnot. | ||
| We love our fast food. | ||
| And there's consequences for that. | ||
| But it feels like we're pointing the finger at fat foreigners when we're fatter in many ways ourselves. | ||
| No, we can do whatever we want. | ||
| Because I can have a preference for my own people. | ||
| If someone has a couple extra Patriot pounds on their body, they're a little bit overweight. | ||
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But look, potatoes are dense caloric. | |
| And I am more than happy. | ||
| Potatoes are very calorie dense. | ||
| And if you eat too many, you know, and you fry them, and one thing could lead to another. | ||
| All I'm saying is a couple extra Patriot pounds, even though you're right, it might burden our healthcare system. | ||
| Those are Americans. | ||
| Those are unhealthy. | ||
| Right, so no, we shouldn't accept fatties. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| We shouldn't accept fatties, but we also need to deal with the domestic fatties. | ||
| So you love RFK's policies about getting rid of some of these unhealthy additives? | ||
| I don't know if that's what's making us so fat. | ||
| A lot of stuff. | ||
| Trump's passing out Ozempic now. | ||
| So it's going to be fine. | ||
| You bring them in, give them Ozempic. | ||
| I think there will be medical consequences to Ozempic, but if they aren't outweighed by the issues of obesity, I think it's a trade-off. | ||
| Like, what's worth the side effects of Ozempic or you being 200 pounds overweight? | ||
| We have the scientific evidence of being 200 pounds overweight is extremely detrimental to your health. | ||
| So that's the, you know, the pros and cons that people have to weigh when taking these drugs. | ||
| I will say, Trump RX did just try to reduce the costs of all of these drugs, all of these GLP-1 inhibitors, so-called drugs. | ||
| I'm against it. | ||
| Especially for diabetes. | ||
| I'm against Ozempic, but that's another story. | ||
| Okay, nice. | ||
| Well, I was just saying, if these people manage to get so overweight before coming to the United States, I can't imagine what's going to happen. | ||
| I also was going to say when I get here and start eating Popeyes, maybe the wall has to have an entrance that's a little bit thin, so you really have to squeeze through it. | ||
| Well, we're ACA compliant everywhere across the United States. | ||
| You could be gigantic. | ||
| You could require three doors, and it feels like we will really accommodate anything, no matter how fat you are. | ||
| Or fellow Americans. | ||
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I agree with that. | |
| I'm allowed to prefer my fellow Americans. | ||
| I've been trying to start a petition for a while. | ||
| I'm fat phobic across the board. | ||
| It doesn't matter if you are a foreigner. | ||
| I've been trying to start a petition for the border to be an American Ninja Warrior course so they can actually do some work, lose those pounds before they get here and really. | ||
| I want a moat. | ||
| I don't want them to get over. | ||
| Well, moat's fine, too. | ||
| A moat plus that. | ||
| What do you think the Rio Grande is? | ||
| It's not enough, clearly. | ||
| It's not enough. | ||
| Great answer. | ||
| You're talking, you want an ocean, then is what you want. | ||
| Yeah, well, there is one more thing I want to mention about this as far as the healthcare system goes. | ||
| Elod, where I do agree with you and where you are correct is that we have a very unique health situation in the United States. | ||
| People are very unhealthy because of what we're eating, because of what's in our food. | ||
| And oftentimes people will say, how is it that the United States has such expensive health care, even though it's a private market? | ||
| Well, guess why? | ||
| Like, it's not like if you have, the ACA is a big part of it, actually. | ||
| But if you have a country where people have these chronic health issues because our food is very, very bad, then of course healthcare costs are just going to be much higher. | ||
| You blame the food? | ||
| I think the food's a big part of it. | ||
| And I'm not just blaming the food. | ||
| I do think overconsumption is a real issue as well. | ||
| I'm not saying it's completely out of people's hands and it's nobody's fault when they gain weight or become overweight. | ||
| Not making that argument. | ||
| But what I am saying is we do have an obesity crisis that is going to make healthcare more expensive. | ||
| And I'm so sick and tired of people pointing to some small country with like a couple million people and they're all in great shape and saying their healthcare is really cheap. | ||
| It must be because they have a public private system that mandates purchasing within the insurance marketplace or they have a single payer system, whatever. | ||
| I'm like, I don't think that's why. | ||
| I'm jealous. | ||
| Yeah, I'm super jealous. | ||
| Also, one more thing I'll point out before we move on. | ||
| Almost no one in the world has single payer. | ||
| There are many universal healthcare systems. | ||
| Almost nobody has single payer. | ||
| So they'll say, we need to go to single payers so we can solve this crisis and we can get people insured. | ||
| Countries with universal healthcare systems almost always have some form of a private market that the state mandates you to purchase from or that they'll redistribute tax money for you to purchase from. | ||
| That's not the same as single payer. | ||
| One last tidbit on this. | ||
| I think there's a balance between like there are a lot of things that are making people obese in our country nowadays. | ||
| I think people are blaming it too much on the food. | ||
| You can count your calories. | ||
| I think people need to take more personal responsibility when it comes to their weight. | ||
| It's not just you could find and eat the correct foods and not be fat. | ||
| You could count your calories to not be fat and you could exercise. | ||
| You could do 10,000 steps a day and choose a correct diet and not be fat. | ||
| We're not forced into this. | ||
| There isn't crazy food out there that's forcing you to be fat. | ||
| We're not force feeding you. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| You're correct, but I do want to point out if you have an improper diet, if you have a bad diet, you are not going to be able to do enough cardio, enough exercise to defeat that diet. | ||
| You cannot cardio away four or five thousand calories a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just think people have endless excuses for being fat. | ||
| Every time I talk to a fat person, there's a new BS excuse. | ||
| It's like, oh, it's in the food. | ||
| Oh, I don't have enough time to cook my own meals. | ||
| Oh, I don't know how it happens. | ||
| Oh, I have a slow metabolism. | ||
| You know, it's like, oh, you won't choose to make better decisions again. | ||
| You are taking every opportunity to jump back into another fat phobic rant, Elod. | ||
| What if we're just dead bones, Elod? | ||
| Fat phobia is the best attitude to have. | ||
| Fat phobia is the correct attitude to have. | ||
| This is maha. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's like the proper maha. | ||
| Well, I think at the end of the day, now it is, but it shouldn't be. | ||
| I think at the end of the day, what we could all agree on is even though our food supply is terrible and something needs to be done about it, people need to cultivate virtue. | ||
| People need to live their lives in a way that prioritizes moderation and not overconsumption. | ||
| I'm trying to create a show that I think is going to help distill some of these values in people. | ||
| Go to twistedplots.com, help us get funded. | ||
| Next story. | ||
| Trump has made a relatively controversial statement here. | ||
| I'm curious to hear how everyone at this table thinks about it. | ||
| Trump proposes a 50-year mortgage plan as housing costs more. | ||
| The plan would lower and elongate the monthly payments needed to buy a home. | ||
| The American dream may have just gotten a five-decade payment plan. | ||
| This is from ABC News. | ||
| President Trump, President Donald Trump, excuse me, has suggested creating a new 50-year mortgage plan as a way to encourage young people to buy real estate, according to a post on his Truth Social platform. | ||
| The U.S. director of federal housing bill also replied on X. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Yeah, the Director of Federal Housing replied on X saying that the agency was working to institute the new housing proposition. | ||
| And thanks to President Trump, we are indeed working on the 50-year mortgage, a complete game changer. | ||
| Well, I agree that it's a game changer for sure. | ||
| It's a little bit vague on how it's going to change the game. | ||
| I don't think it's going to change the game in a way that helps Americans. | ||
| What people don't realize is before the Great Depression happened, mortgages generally were less than 10 years in term, usually around five years. | ||
| And what happened was you put down 50% of the money and it was a balloon payment. | ||
| So you only paid interest throughout that loan term. | ||
| And then when it matured, you had to either have the rest of the 50% that the property was valued at or that you owed the bank in order to pay it off, or you had to create another deal with the bank, which is what most people did. | ||
| You had to refinance or you lost the house. | ||
| Now, most people would just refinance indefinitely. | ||
| And then the Great Depression hit, and then a bunch of people lost their houses. | ||
| So the government started meddling in the housing market. | ||
| And with the New Deal, we got the FHA and a number of different ways that we've sort of regulated home lending. | ||
| Now, since that time, the price of a house adjusted for inflation, it's done something like four to five times the numbers. | ||
| It's multiplied around four to five times. | ||
| Accelerating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people can say, well, houses today are way better than they were at that time. | ||
| They're larger. | ||
| And sure, you can make the argument that they're larger. | ||
| I don't think the construction materials are as good, but let's just say houses really are that much better. | ||
| Well, in the private marketplace, basically everything has gotten better without exploding four to five times in price. | ||
| So what happens is when you expand people's borrowing power, they are able to afford a larger house because they're only paying it off in small snippets at a time. | ||
| And then eventually what happens is you bring prices up. | ||
| So I'm curious what all of you think about that. | ||
| If anyone disagrees with me and how you feel about Trump trying to institute this, I think the 50-year mortgage is insane. | ||
| I think that, you know, I firmly believe that we should be empowering people to make good decisions in their lives. | ||
| I think that a 50-year mortgage is a really bad decision. | ||
| I think that when you look at the amortization schedule for a 50-year mortgage, like you don't actually start paying principal on these things for like 30 years. | ||
| What? | ||
| So you get to the 30-year point before you even actually start paying principal. | ||
| So you're just renting the house. | ||
| I mean, you don't actually own the house. | ||
| But Babylon B, I had to share this because we published it this morning. | ||
| One of our headlines is Dave Ramsey in critical condition after learning a 50-year mortgage. | ||
| And I feel it. | ||
| This is not one of those things. | ||
| There are a lot of things Trump does where I'm like, I voted for that. | ||
| I voted for that. | ||
| This is not one of those things. | ||
| It's just like, this just seems unnecessary. | ||
| It's, you know, we're putting people in worse financial situations. | ||
| It's not, you're not actually owning the home. | ||
| There's something about passing these things down to future generations and stuff like that, too. | ||
| It's more debt. | ||
| Debt delivery. | ||
| More people just the entitled. | ||
| But American becomes more entitled. | ||
| Just to steal me in the argument, right? | ||
| Not that I'm for it, but just because I want people to kind of think about the entirety of the situation. | ||
| Like the goal is to get young people into houses that they can afford. | ||
| And ostensibly, the plan would be you get into this house, right? | ||
| You start paying for it, and then you refinance for a shorter term when you become established, when you financially have more resources, you have a better job, what have you. | ||
| And I think that I don't think that this is a good idea. | ||
| I think that this will end up with a ton of bad negative externalities. | ||
| But I do think that the idea to try to come up with means for people to, for young people, to own homes is better than doing nothing. | ||
| And the reason I say that is because right now, young people have no reason to buy into a capitalist society, right? | ||
| They don't, if you have no assets, you have no money, you have nothing but debt, you're going to look at your situation and you're going to say, capitalism doesn't work. | ||
| To say that our system of property rights, I own no property, so I so I don't have rights. | ||
| I don't buy it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So you have, so they have to do something. | ||
| And again, I'm not saying that this is the proper solution. | ||
| If your goal was just to get people into it, and this is true, it's kind of just arbitrary. | ||
| Well, it stops you at 50 years. | ||
| Why not do 100? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, you're not going to live in the house in 50 years. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| Nobody's. | ||
| It's not going to last 50 years with the way they're building new constructions. | ||
| So it's like, where do you stop it? | ||
| Is it a 200-year mortgage? | ||
| It's like, if that is really the goal, then 50 years doesn't seem like long enough. | ||
| Just make it as cheap as possible. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I just want to, before you jump in a lot, I want to respond to you because I agree that this is probably being approached by Trump and some others around him with good intentions. | ||
| I certainly don't disagree with that. | ||
| The problem is, it's not like you're going to be taking housing costs where they are and spreading that over 50 years. | ||
| People are going to have more purchasing power, so the houses are more expensive. | ||
| That's the issue. | ||
| And people are going to feel as if they can afford the house when it actually is truly unaffordable for them because it's spread out over such a long loan term. | ||
| And then on top of that, you're not going to get the much-needed market correction of housing coming back down in price, which is difficult for the economy in the short run. | ||
| But if we want young people to be able to buy into the economy, to have houses to own property, it's necessary. | ||
| And this would only stave it off. | ||
| We would just be throwing a bandit on the problem that would make young people debt slaves instead of giving them the opportunity to purchase houses at a more reasonable loan term at a more reasonable price. | ||
| But Elod, you were going to say something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm a neocon and not an economist. | ||
| But so maybe one of you guys can correct me. | ||
| Neoeconomist. | ||
| It highly depends on what the interest rate will be, right? | ||
| For these 50-year mortgages, because it's different for those versus like a 15 year mortgage, right? | ||
| If it's super low of an interest rate, hypothetically, I think it could make more sense. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if we'll ever, I don't know if property taxes are 2% is a pipe dream, but a decade ago, they had 2% interest rates on some of these 15-year mortgages, I believe. | ||
| So if they could get them that low, then I think they could make sense. | ||
| Otherwise, I generally agree with you guys. | ||
| Property taxes are also robbery. | ||
| I mean, in New York before we left, it was like 18 grand for like two acres, upstate New York, right? | ||
| It's insane, dude. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| You're getting taxed on your income, and then you're having to buy a house and you pay tax when you purchase the home. | ||
| And then you're being taxed continuously every single year on the purchase that you made for tax money. | ||
| I mean, it's just that's sickening. | ||
| One thing I'll say, and here's where I'll disagree with you, a lot. | ||
| Let's say that you do have a very low interest rate. | ||
| That carries with it, even though there's less, even though that sort of solves the problem of the person being a slave to the bank with respect to how much interest they're paying over the course of the 50 years, it exacerbates the problem of them having more purchasing power because the lower the interest rates are and the more purchasing power you have, the more the market is going to skyrocket. | ||
| So even if you're only paying 2%, houses would just explode in value because of that. | ||
| Yeah, money would be cheaper. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Therefore, people would demand more of it. | ||
| It would be inflationary, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One thing on property taxes, as I understand, local governments are largely funded by those property taxes and wouldn't have anywhere else to like siphon that money from. | ||
| So I like, I largely disagree. | ||
| Like, I'm pissed off when I have to pay property tax. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I rent. | ||
| But like, that's what it goes to funding. | ||
| So I think most of the schools are funding. | ||
| Public schools, which are an issue. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I mean, I don't want to fund public schools. | ||
| I don't want to fund public schools. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| That's how the system is set up. | ||
| Just to respond to you, too. | ||
| I mean, I'm not a banker, but I believe that the way the whole system is set up is that the shorter the term, the lower the interest rates, not vice versa. | ||
| I don't believe that these would have low interest rates. | ||
| I think these would have higher interest rates than third-year mortgages significantly. | ||
| Yeah, I think so too. | ||
| Because you just hide it. | ||
| And then because also you got to consider the bank is saying, I will do, like, I am giving this money out for 50 years. | ||
| In order to be able to keep up with inflation across that time period, they would need a massive interest rate. | ||
| So I think it would just be an insanely high interest rate. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think it would be a good situation. | ||
| And what you mentioned about property taxes, funding local governments, this is part of the issue with the way our system is set up today. | ||
| It's completely upside down. | ||
| In theory, the way things should be is your highest tax burden should be for your local community, and it should not be that high. | ||
| It should probably even be lower than it is now. | ||
| But the idea that the majority of your taxed income goes to the federal government is completely insane. | ||
| Like, realistically, your tax money should be going to the things in your immediate vicinity that actually improve your life to a measurable degree. | ||
| And then, the people, you know, hundreds of miles away in Washington, they should be getting like maybe pennies on the dollar with respect to how much you're taxed. | ||
| Maybe if that, hey, penny on the dollar for those functions, but of course, it's completely backwards. | ||
| You're working something like what, one out of five days out of your work year just for the government. | ||
| So, one day out of your entire week is literally just for your federal taxes. | ||
| It's backwards. | ||
| It's totally upside down. | ||
| It's totally upside down. | ||
| But I'm curious: does anyone have anything else to say about this issue before we move on to another story here? | ||
| So, are you going to buy a crib with the 50-year-old? | ||
| No, I'm thinking, I'm thinking I want to finance as much as possible with the 50-year mortgage, and I'm actually waiting for the 50-year Uber Eats loan so that I can just start putting those payments off down payment on dinner. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think what we should do is we should have an economy where people are as in debt as possible for as long as possible. | ||
| What do you think, Phil? | ||
| I think that any, I think that anything that the federal government does to try to alleviate the suffering of young people, the economic suffering of young people right now, is good thing, is a good thing for the country because there are so many people that no longer believe in America. | ||
| Yeah, young people do not believe in our system, and it is because of the behavior that the banking industry and the government has had for the past 15 years, ever since the 2008 crash. | ||
| The government has been, and actually, no, before that, but it's become acute since the 2008 crash. | ||
| The government has behaved incredibly irresponsibly. | ||
| And so, we have to do something as a society. | ||
| Like, our government has to do something because they're the ones that have the levers of power. | ||
| They have to do something to make sure that young people have a reason to buy into America. | ||
| There has never been a generation that believes in America less, believes in our system less. | ||
| And so, we need to do something to ameliorate their problems, to help them, to give them a reason to believe in America. | ||
| I'm with Phil. | ||
| Like, I don't agree with this policy, but I know people can't afford houses right now. | ||
| They don't think they can have a family, and there's just widespread suffering. | ||
| So, I want to see those people get help, and getting a house could help you build a community and all those things. | ||
| The other thing, though, is, I mean, I agree that we should be making efforts to make things easier on young people to live the American dream. | ||
| But, like, here's a 30-year mortgage versus a 50-year mortgage on a $410,000 house. | ||
| 6.5 interest rate on 30-year, $3,200 a month payment. | ||
| 7% interest on a 50-year is a $3,088 a month payment. | ||
| So, I mean, you're $120 a month. | ||
| That's not for 20 years, actually. | ||
| 20 years of your life to be owned by a bank, dude, for like 200 bucks a month. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| That's not insane. | ||
| That's not helping the person. | ||
| That's not. | ||
| The policy is not. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| I want the 3,000-year mortgage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's what I think should happen. | ||
| We should do a generational mortgage, the 3,000-year mortgage. | ||
| We'll call it the Millennia of the Mortgage. | ||
| And what will happen is you'll borrow it from the bank. | ||
| And if you can't pay it off and your descendants can't pay it off, by the time you're dead, they'll just upload your brain into Neuralink and you'll work on spreadsheets for a couple millennium for like, you know, $75 a week until the loan is eventually paid off. | ||
| Better than the system in China, which allegedly is, I think you can only do 99-year leases on land. | ||
| You're not even on property. | ||
| You don't own anything. | ||
| So you, at least we still have the property rights here. | ||
| You can do a 99-year lease pay your property taxes. | ||
| You don't actually own it. | ||
| They take it away from you. | ||
| So you don't actually own it. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, that to be eternal lease. | ||
| To be fair, just again, so we're, everyone's on the same page. | ||
| Property taxes are not a federal thing. | ||
| Property taxes are state by state. | ||
| So it depends on what state you're in. | ||
| And the amount that you're going to pay depends on a lot of things. | ||
| New York is way more than West Virginia. | ||
| Yes, way, way more. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, West Virginia compared to New York. | ||
| I mean, the services in New York are a lot better than West Virginia. | ||
| But I'm talking about upstate New York. | ||
| West Virginia is a lot better than New York. | ||
| But again, now this policy might not be the right solution in every way. | ||
| Every way. | ||
| Not in per capita, I mean, to begin with. | ||
| Not in income per capita, at least. | ||
| This is the poorest states. | ||
| In terms of freedom, it's a great state. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Well, and science is suggesting that we take away all. property taxes, which would be great. | ||
| I don't know how we'll keep police officers around, but. | ||
| Oh, I mean, it'll just be sales tax or it'll be state income tax or something like that. | ||
| You don't have to have property tax. | ||
| In New Hampshire, where I'm from, you don't have like my property tax is quote unquote high. | ||
| It's not actually high compared to like Massachusetts. | ||
| I have like 50 acres and I pay, you know, a few thousand dollars more than my mom, who has like not even a full acre. | ||
| But the point is, like in New Hampshire, there's no sales tax, there's no income tax, but the property taxes are high. | ||
| So the government will get the funding. | ||
| State governments will get the funding that they need to function somehow. | ||
| And some people will say, hey, maybe a sales tax or an income tax. | ||
| Personally, I think things like sales tax and consumption tax are the best of a bad options because if you didn't have property tax, then you actually do own your property. | ||
| The government can't take it away without going to court or what have you. | ||
| And then I think an income tax, a state income tax or a federal income tax, I think that those are bad because they're literally taxing you for generating economic activity. | ||
| Whereas if you have a sales tax, you can decide not to engage in exchange. | ||
| But the point, I think the broad point that I want to kind of push on again is the government has to do something about the fact that there is an entire generation, like not kidding around, like a whole generation. | ||
| You think that millennials are fond of socialism. | ||
| Even Gen Z, the people on the right are fond of socialism, right? | ||
| They'll be right-leaning, but they're going to be national socialists, right? | ||
| They're going to be nationalists and socialists. | ||
| They're going to say the government should take care of us, and maybe the government should take care of only people that look like me. | ||
| But it's still the government. | ||
| Shane is always saying to me, non-stop. | ||
| He's always telling me that. | ||
| Don't leak those taxes. | ||
| He says he's no, but he says only people who look, he's like, says only people who look like me, but I'm quoting him literally. | ||
| He's only Irish. | ||
| Only the Irish. | ||
| Only people like you, Seamus. | ||
| Only you should be cared for by the people. | ||
| Well, another thing that will help that, just not to stay on this story for too long, but immigration affects this significantly too. | ||
| I mean, a lot of the people who are taking these FHA loans and things like that and getting into houses and driving the cost of homes up are not Americans. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's two things that you can do. | ||
| You can A, limit immigration the way that you're actually supposed to enforce our border, get the people out of here that aren't supposed to be here. | ||
| B, something that I would be strongly encouraging would be to bring down our debts and to make things more affordable for people is if you have foreign interests owning land in the United States, they should be taxed at a much higher rate. | ||
| I would totally agree. | ||
| And I like what you were saying, Phil. | ||
| I tend to agree that a consumption tax, a tariff, things like that, where there's actual economic activity occurring, which is then taxed, makes more sense to me than taxing someone based on how much wealth they have. | ||
| Because frankly, we tax people based on how much they earn, but the amount that you earn doesn't actually say all that much about your lifestyle. | ||
| It's a question of how you choose to spend that money. | ||
| So if you have that money and you're behaving virtuously with it, you're saving it or you're investing it instead of going out and indulging in luxuries. | ||
| You should have the freedom to do that. | ||
| Yeah, I completely agree. | ||
| So I think it's bad to tax someone just for having the money. | ||
| I think it's crazy. | ||
| But even though I think it's bad to tax the money, I'm impossible to please. | ||
| I also think it's bad when they give money back to us. | ||
| Aren't I so cheeky? | ||
| Because Trump says he'll issue $2,000 tariff dividends to all except high-income people. | ||
| And I'll be honest, I don't know if I'm in love with the idea. | ||
| Do I want the government to stop taking my money? | ||
| Do I want them to start giving it away? | ||
| I'm going to the grocery store right now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| My family of five. | ||
| That is all that is. | ||
| That is one year's worth of, that is one year's worth of savings on your $50 mortgage. | ||
| Dang. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, anytime the government is writing checks and giving it to people, like that's inflationary. | ||
| Inflation is down now, but inflation is not a problem. | ||
| The Fed just lowered interest rates. | ||
| And I think that right now they're in a buying because no matter what the Fed does, it's kind of inflationary. | ||
| If they don't lower interest rates, it's a little inflationary. | ||
| Or if they do lower them, it's a little inflationary. | ||
| And Serge actually could speak to that better than I can. | ||
| But anytime the government just writes checks, I think that that's a bad thing, especially when you're dealing with the federal government being so insolvent and having so much debt. | ||
| Yeah, that could be something you talk about being insolvent and having where the money could go. | ||
| But a lot of things could go a lot of places. | ||
| And I think at this point where people are struggling with money, any money in their pockets, great. | ||
| And I was actually surprised when I saw it because I was like, wow, that's a good idea. | ||
| He's going to use the money from the tariffs we're making that everyone complains about. | ||
| He's actually using that against them, saying, oh, well, tariffs are bad for small businesses. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, if you're a small business that makes under this amount of money, here's $2,000 for it. | ||
| I guarantee you're not going to be annoyed by it. | ||
| Yeah, $2,000 is not that much money, which is totally true. | ||
| Shane is completely right on that. | ||
| But I think that, yeah. | ||
| Any little bit helps right now because the economy is bad. | ||
| Everything's expensive. | ||
| Gas is going up already again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| Part of me is curious if this has to do with Trump wanting to curry some favor with the American people as we're getting closer towards midterms. | ||
| Maybe this is a check that would be sent out around the time when those elections were occurring. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Come out with a ballot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think this is going to be good for inflation. | ||
| One thing I will mention is that we were told on air that the $2,000 dividend could come in a lot of forms. | ||
| You know, it could just be the tax decreases that we are seeing on the president's agenda. | ||
| No tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on social security, deductibility of auto loans. | ||
| So again, this is all from ABC News. | ||
| Honestly, man, it sounds like they're sort of trying to back their way out of it with that. | ||
| Well, you know, it could come in the form of no tax on tips or no tax on overtime or no tax on social security. | ||
| Very possible. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I think just giving everyone a $2,000 check is probably not a good idea, especially considering how horribly in debt we are. | ||
| Also, last time we got a stimulus check, we ended up losing like $10,000 in purchasing power on average. | ||
| So probably not the best trade. | ||
| Short-term trade-offs, I don't like. | ||
| And he says only for wealthy Americans. | ||
| What's the definition of wealthy? | ||
| Does it say in there? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I'm curious because he said wealthy, but I don't know if there was any specific cutoff listed. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I agree with what you were saying there, Seamus. | ||
| Like, if the debt is such a big issue, then it seems like giving out $2,000 to each American might not seem like the best idea. | ||
| However, however, telling people, telling voters, the electorate, that you'll give them money can incentivize them to support you and your preferred candidates. | ||
| Yeah, well, I do think there's a political aspect to this. | ||
| I think there's a reason why Andrew Yang's UBI, despite not having any other policy positions on anything and despite being a complete DALT, was able to amass supporters based on what? | ||
| Me giving you free money. | ||
| People love free shit. | ||
| So, Seamus, if you wanted to go around in the room right now and say, hey, do you want $100? | ||
| Nobody's going to say, oh, but I'm worried about your debt, Seamus, your mortgage. | ||
| I'm worried about your family and all the other costs you have. | ||
| But my dad said that. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| If I'm the government, it's everybody's debt. | ||
| Like, we're talking here about how a 50-year mortgage enslaves us. | ||
| Imagine if it was an indefinite loan that all of our children had to pay off and our children's children had to pay off someday and couldn't consent to it. | ||
| And also, it was how we ran our government. | ||
| Like, that's literally what's happening right now. | ||
| And we're talking about giving everyone a $2,000 check. | ||
| I do agree with you that there could be a kind of 4D chess move here. | ||
| Well, if the Democrats get back into office and Trump can't enact his agenda, the country's destroyed anyway, and they are going to import a bunch of people and they are going to balloon the national debt regardless. | ||
| So, maybe if we give people these short-term payments to get them to vote for Republicans and we play the Democrats' dirty gang of a game of allowing people to vote themselves gifts from the treasury, we can actually try to turn the spigot off. | ||
| I'm a little skeptical of the argument, but I could see the strategy. | ||
| It feels to me like it could be a knee-jerk reaction to the uproar over the snap benefit issue with the government shutdown, too. | ||
| I mean, it's like, well, how do we get these people back to possibly supporting our party? | ||
| So, I mean, that's exactly what's happening right now: everybody's so mad about snap benefits. | ||
| Those are the people that you are speaking to by offering them dangling $2,000 out there. | ||
| Those are the people you're trying to win back. | ||
| Do you think $2,000 is going to sway anyone's vote these days, though? | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's compared to nothing and what other politicians have done for them. | ||
| I think the government doesn't touch most Americans, and $2,000 would affect people. | ||
| I don't think leftists will get $2,000 from Trump and change their minds and vote for Trump. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
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But we're not talking about a small amount of Democrats against it by some independents. | |
| Even liberals. | ||
| I'm against it, but I don't think it would hurt him. | ||
| I think it only has potential to help his electoral process. | ||
| It could hurt him if it causes more economic problems. | ||
| Because at the end of the day, what's going to matter the last six months before the election in 2028 and well, actually next year and in 2028 is how people feel about the economy, right? | ||
| Like if there is civil unrest and there's big, big riots and blah, blah, blah, that'll affect people. | ||
| But if that's not going on, it is the pocketbook, it is the kitchen table issues. | ||
| So if they do things that make it harder for people to pay for their groceries and causing inflation will make it harder for people to pay for their groceries, if they do things, if they have policies that do that, people will vote against the Republicans. | ||
| And that will happen. | ||
| That is absolutely the most important thing. | ||
| We can talk about, and people on the internet, they love to talk about all these niche issues. | ||
| They're all interested in like, you know, all sorts of things, the Epstein client list, what Ben Shapiro said, what people are talking about, Israel, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Those issues are very important to a very, very narrow segment of the population, right? | ||
| They're not important to everybody that pays attention to politics. | ||
| They're important to a small percentage of the people that pay attention to politics. | ||
| The amount of people that pay attention to politics is also very small, right? | ||
| Most people don't spend more than an hour or so a week paying attention to politics. | ||
| I don't think most Americans knew the government was shut down. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But that only leads to my point. | ||
| Like, people care about: can I go to the grocery store and buy the stuff that my kids want to get so that way they're not bummed out? | ||
| Can I afford Christmas? | ||
| Can I afford Thanksgiving? | ||
| If these questions, right, if you ask these questions and the answer is no, they're going to throw the bums out. | ||
| That means the Republicans are going to get crucified. | ||
| So the most important thing is to make sure that the American people feel like they can afford to live. | ||
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And right now, because I completely agree. | |
| I think if the focus was on bringing grocery prices down instead of giving people $2,000, I'd be way more in support of it. | ||
| Well, I will say this. | ||
| I agree with what Aladdin's saying about the fact that it probably is good politics. | ||
| I mean, who could argue that you're going to have more trouble winning an election if you just gave people money? | ||
| You just give them a free $2,000 check. | ||
| I also think that there's an argument to be made. | ||
| Well, these tariffs did cost the American people to some degree, but it's going to improve America's manufacturing and our ability to deliver products. | ||
| And we can return some of the money back to the people to stimulate our economy. | ||
| And in my mind, it makes economic sense to say we're going to protect American industry by making foreign companies pay tariffs or the people importing from foreign nations pay tariffs and then give that money back to the American people to bolster our own economy. | ||
| I'm not disagreeing that this is complicated and that it could on some level be good strategy. | ||
| I think ultimately it can also help solidify this idea that the shutdown was the Democrats' fault. | ||
| The reason people weren't receiving their EBT was because of the Democrats and that Trump is trying to look out for you. | ||
| He's trying to get your family fed. | ||
| Again, in the long term, I think it's bad economics. | ||
| I'm not advocating for it, but I certainly understand the political strategy. | ||
| And speaking of the shutdown, we have a wild turn of events. | ||
| Now, you guys are not going to believe this. | ||
| This is going to be really shocking for all of you at home listening. | ||
| It's going to be shocking for all the people in this room. | ||
| So I'm glad we're all sitting in chairs and that Tim Cass is not done at a standing desk because I think some of you might faint. | ||
| Even though the Democrats have been claiming the shutdown was just the fault of Republicans, they are now complaining that the Democrats they elected worked to open the government back up and they quote unquote caved. | ||
| That's strange to me. | ||
| So breaking the Senate moves to reopen the government after Democrats break from Schumer. | ||
| The question was, does the shutdown further the goal of achieving some needed support for the extension of the tax credit? | ||
| Our judgment was that it will not. | ||
| The Senate took a major step towards ending the record-long government shutdown on Sunday as a group of Democrats broke ranks and joined Republicans in advancing a revised plan to reopen federal agencies. | ||
| That's that right there. | ||
| What do you mean broke ranks? | ||
| I thought it was the, you mean all the Republicans didn't break rank to open the government? | ||
| It's almost like they wanted the government open the entire time and it was the Democrats preventing it from happening. | ||
| One of the hilarious things you'll see if you go on social media is all of the leftists whining and complaining about the fact that the government's going to be reopened and saying the Democrats betrayed us. | ||
| They stabbed us in the back, even though they just spent the entire shutdown telling us the entire thing was the Republicans' fault. | ||
| So I want to open it up to you guys and get your opinions. | ||
| And I want you to let me know just how shocked you are that it turns out that this was the Democrat shutdown. | ||
| I wanted to ask you, there was one Republican who actually voted to continue the shutdown. | ||
| Can you guess which one? | ||
| Who did that? | ||
| Which one? | ||
| One of our good friends? | ||
| Shot in the dark. | ||
| One of your favorites, yeah. | ||
| One of my favorites. | ||
| I'm having too much trouble. | ||
| I've been too shocked today. | ||
| I've already been too shocked today. | ||
| I need you to just tell me. | ||
| The only Republican to vote with Democrats. | ||
| You know, it's actually a trend of Republicans like this voting with the Democrats. | ||
| And with Republicans like this, I mean, who needs Democrats? | ||
| Are you guys seriously clue? | ||
| Nobody has any. | ||
| Who wants Rampa? | ||
| Shane, do you want to? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Whoever's not a neocon. | ||
| Whoever's not a neocon that is. | ||
| I mean, listen, listen. | ||
| The libertarians are going to want the government to stay shut down forever. | ||
| I'm okay with that. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| A closed, an open government is as useful as a shutdown. | ||
| There was a couple people I had in mind. | ||
| There was a couple people I had in mind. | ||
| But yep, so it was Rand Paul, though. | ||
| Yeah, it was Randall. | ||
| I'm curious what you all think of that. | ||
| I'm also just curious what you think of the shutdown ending. | ||
| I wish I'd stay down forever. | ||
| They weaponized this government against the American people for decades and needs to be completely gutted. | ||
| Doesn't sound like something an establishment guy would say. | ||
| Yeah, I had a change of heart last night. | ||
| Slept on it, and I was like, I've been wrong completely. | ||
| The shutdown, I mean, it's so ridiculous that every year you end up in the same situation where the shutdown is used as, you know, a way for people to pit, you know, the left versus the right and for them to grandstand and to try and get all these publicity points and stuff like that. | ||
| I mean, I had to travel here yesterday. | ||
| It was a disaster. | ||
| I mean, I was lucky my flight was only delayed about four and a half hours. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There were people that were at the airport. | ||
| Their flights were delayed 12 hours plus. | ||
| And I just, you know, I don't understand the correlation between critical infrastructure not being air traffic control and TSA. | ||
| Why is that not privatized at this point in time? | ||
| Why are we, why is it that when they can't agree on it on a budget, we shut everything down and then people can't travel. | ||
| They hold you hostage. | ||
| They hold you as hostage. | ||
| You know, and they don't care. | ||
| And then why is there no fallback? | ||
| Why is there no fallback for when you can't agree on a new budget that you fall back to the existing budget? | ||
| Well, that's right. | ||
| And so, what always happens is the government shuts down and the left goes, these essential services are lost. | ||
| And in some ways, I think you're correct when it comes to air traffic control. | ||
| That's something that we need. | ||
| And it's strange that the government does it. | ||
| But then these same people will argue that argue that the government should control more and more and more. | ||
| So you go, well, you know, even if the government controls like virtually everything, we're still going to have a political system where there are these arguments and disagreements, and the government will shut down. | ||
| And then what's going to happen to all of the services that you consider to be essential if they aren't considered essential by the government at that time. | ||
| But furthermore, yes, as someone who's been traveling a lot recently to promote the crowdfunding campaign that I launched for Twisted Plots, like planes have been delayed. | ||
| Thank goodness my flights, even though some got delayed, none got canceled. | ||
| It's funny, I was in LA. | ||
| I was in Los Angeles. | ||
| I was over in California, other side of the flipping continent, right? | ||
| In the coolest place in the world. | ||
| And I had to fly back here late at night for a podcast. | ||
| And this is when a bunch of flights were starting to get canceled. | ||
| And I was like, dude, if this flight gets canceled, I have no idea what I'm going to do because I am like as far away from here as you can be while still being in the United States. | ||
| And so thankfully, my flight was not canceled. | ||
| But this is happening to a lot of people. | ||
| And so hopefully we're able to get that back up and running as the government's looking to open up. | ||
| What do you think, Elad? | ||
| I think a minority of Americans fly regularly. | ||
| So I don't really care. | ||
| You don't care about flies. | ||
| Yeah, I don't care about protecting minorities. | ||
| You don't care about protecting minorities because only minority flies. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| And they're fancy business meetings that they need to attend in person and they're important vacations that they need to go on. | ||
| I haven't flown on a plane in over a year, and I think most average Americans don't. | ||
| And it is inconvenient seeing some of the most privileged Americans. | ||
| And I don't mind doing that for a little bit longer. | ||
| I don't think it's ironic, Shane. | ||
| Because now you're for reopening the government. | ||
| I thought you were for the ship. | ||
| No, I'm against your idea of only privileged people flying. | ||
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Yeah, the fact that Lad just said only the privileged flights. | |
| You literally just said he puts on a suit and then he starts acting like he's better than everybody. | ||
| Like this gosh idea that like blue-collar people or average Americans that make you know $60,000, $70,080,000 a year, like they don't fly regularly. | ||
| There are plenty of jobs that require people to fly that are not like elitist jobs. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I think this affects a minority of workers. | ||
| And if Seamus has to wait another half hour, hour, who knows? | ||
| Maybe we would have gotten Tim instead of this guy. | ||
| What if my flight was Tim would have to be able to do it? | ||
| Seamus instead of Tim. | ||
| It would have been better if you, you know, maybe missed the flight. | ||
| While Tim was sick, you want the man to ruin his voice? | ||
| Oh, is that what happened? | ||
| Yeah, he got sick. | ||
| He's sick. | ||
| Yeah, he's sick. | ||
| He said he couldn't host the show tonight, and I had to. | ||
| But it was a disaster. | ||
| It was a nightmare. | ||
| Now, Elad, this is also shocking coming from the neocon economist that you would say people in the upper classes whose wealth trickles down to the rest of us through their entrepreneurial vision. | ||
| I don't like flying. | ||
| The only planes he wants flying are the ones that drop bombs. | ||
| I thought you were going to say something worse, so I guess I'll take that. | ||
| I thought he was going there, too. | ||
| That's the nicest thing you could have said. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Anyway, I don't like flying. | ||
| I'm actually scared to fly. | ||
| I reluctantly fly when I have to, and that's why I don't mind these. | ||
| No wonder why you have to be aware of that. | ||
| I have a personal beef with you in the airplane. | ||
| So you might just have to drive like that. | ||
| Have to fly. | ||
| I hate flying and I'm scared of it. | ||
| No, it's better than a short flight. | ||
| A nice long drive. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Listen, I'm actually okay with that. | ||
| I do like driving. | ||
| If time permits, I absolutely pervert drive. | ||
| Well, either you're sitting in your car or you're waiting online not to get taken off because the airports aren't moving. | ||
| If the drive is six hours or less, do the drive. | ||
| If it's over six hours, take the flight. | ||
| Because when you think the amount of time that takes to get to the airport gets there and waits. | ||
| You have to do the flight and get out and stuff that like five or six hours. | ||
| It's probably better. | ||
| You're already doing dad math. | ||
| That's exactly how it works. | ||
| I mean, I live in New Hampshire. | ||
| What's going on with the shutdown vote, though? | ||
| Because it's got to go through the House, right? | ||
| After it's passed through the Senate, I think there's some procedural things that need to happen that'll take a few days, and then it'll go to the House where Johnson should have a majority. | ||
| I'm assuming Massey, these libertarian types, they just always vote with the Democrats. | ||
| We'll also probably vote against, but he will be the token Republican to do so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I foresee. | ||
| Was still doing that against a lot or the libertarian type. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I just want to make sure for everyone who's going to be listening, that was Phil making the farting sound with his mouth against a lot. | ||
| Yeah, these libertarians, he's doing that to me, who's complaining about the libertarians getting in the way of the MAGA agenda. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, guys. | ||
| We actually, we've got another breaking story here. | ||
| I just had to mention this. | ||
| We weren't planning on talking about this, but the news just broke. | ||
| Antifa protesters have rushed the entrance of tonight's TPUSA event after attempting to break down barriers. | ||
| Attendees were rushed behind a police arrest, and other anti-TPUSA protesters have been arrested. | ||
| Should we watch this? | ||
| Everything I have to say is a TOS one. | ||
| Where is this based out of? | ||
| Do we know? | ||
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Berkeley. | |
| So this is UC Berkeley, by the way, guys. | ||
| And this is, I think, from Sam. | ||
| I don't know who actually coached this. | ||
| This isn't the craziest thing I've ever seen. | ||
| So are we just going to keep being nice to these people? | ||
| Well, it's just because it's a BSA thing, and they rushed to the USA thing. | ||
| So that guy broke down the barriers. | ||
| He's a whole racist, guys. | ||
| You can call the racist. | ||
| Pack it in. | ||
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That's it. | |
| Berkeley has a long history of these types of protests, and usually they get a lot more out of hand than this so far, but I guess it's still early there. | ||
| So we'll see what this turns into. | ||
| Well, it's not surprising. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| I mean, listen. | ||
| I think this might be a sideshow, but I haven't screened these videos, guys. | ||
| We just got to say. | ||
| Oh, sideshow. | ||
| Classic. | ||
| Classic parents. | ||
| They're just barbarians. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, that's all we got right now. | ||
| Well, again, this is exactly what we were saying earlier on the show. | ||
| Look how quickly our predictions become true. | ||
| You don't arrest these people. | ||
| They become emboldened. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Who thought anything different was going to happen? | ||
| Everyone says, oh, well, if we do something, there's an escalation. | ||
| If law enforcement intervenes and arrests people who are breaking the law, there's an escalation. | ||
| There is an escalation, regardless. | ||
| The question is whether there is an escalation on the part of law enforcement that puts the riot down and puts, frankly, the insurrection down, or whether they continue to raise the temperature. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And whenever the left says, I wish people would stop raising the temperature, what they're really saying is, I want to be the one in control of the fire. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's pretty accurate. | ||
| And like I said, this kind of stuff, they should round all those people up and they should all go to jail, like all of them. | ||
| They can get buses, bring the buses out, wrap them up, and put them in jail. | ||
| Anyone in a face mask, honestly, at this point. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You're in a face, still wearing COVID mask for sure. | ||
| You're gone. | ||
| Right to jail. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right to jail. | ||
| It shouldn't, at this point, it shouldn't be, like, it shouldn't be a question as to whether or not these people go to jail. | ||
| Like, these people are intending to intimidate. | ||
| This isn't about a protest. | ||
| This is intimidation. | ||
| This is trying to shut down other people's speech. | ||
| If you wanted to protest, you could protest. | ||
| But when your protest is intended to shut other people's speech down, you should go to jail. | ||
| There's no question about it. | ||
| It shouldn't even be. | ||
| I mean, it's insane to me that we're still having this discussion, right? | ||
| It's so clear. | ||
| We've been having a lot of people. | ||
| We've been having this discussion for a decade. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Since 2015. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Thank goodness we're allowed to have the discussion because for a while we weren't. | ||
| And that's part of why this problem has persisted as long as it has. | ||
| Remember when Berkeley was pro-free speech? | ||
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Ha! | |
| Before our time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Before our time. | ||
| Same place that burnt itself down when I was totally remembering it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Same. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And, you know, I have my doubts that that was ever the case. | ||
| I actually have my doubts. | ||
| Because we know there was arrest them all, and everybody that's here on a green card gets deported. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Get them out of the country because I guarantee there's a lot of people in that protest that's got they're here on green cards, especially if they're fat. | ||
| They're guests. | ||
| Yeah, and if they're fat, they shouldn't be here at all, according to Trump. | ||
| But the government needs to start coming down on these people hard within the law, of course, within, you know, I'm not talking about injuring people or violating people's rights, but if you are protesting in a manner that is meant to intimidate other people who are peaceably assembling, jail. | ||
| Jail. | ||
| Well, I hear what you're saying, but I mean, like, what do you think the motivation is? | ||
| I mean, for not doing it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Why are they not doing it? | ||
| Trump is in charge right now. | ||
| Kid gloves. | ||
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Huh? | |
| Kid gloves. | ||
| They've been treating these people. | ||
| Well, yeah, but why is nobody stepping up and saying we're taking the kid gloves? | ||
| Cowards. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| They're afraid of the optics being short. | ||
| Well, one thing is that they're demonized when they do something to protect people. | ||
| I mean, whether they're law enforcement or not, you got the Daniel Penny thing. | ||
| It's like you actually stand up and do the right thing. | ||
| It seems like these days you're actually demonized for it. | ||
| And that is one thing that's demotivating to the police in general, the individual police, but then also for the police chiefs and for the people in charge of them. | ||
| There's too much demotivating factor to do this. | ||
| It's too much personal risk. | ||
| That's one reason why they're all wearing masks too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, again, because only one side is required to play by the rules here. | ||
| And so it's gotten to the point where the Republicans won't even play by the rules. | ||
| The right won't even play by the rules because they won't do the things that the Law allows them to do in order to shut down this kind of violence and these kinds of riots. | ||
| We've been dealing with this, and I'm sure we all sound like broken records because we've been dealing with this for over a decade at this point, and nothing has been done. | ||
| And there was a mandate from the people of the United States when they Democratically elected Donald J. Trump, handing a Republican the first popular vote history in a very long time so that this problem could be dealt with and it's not being dealt with. | ||
| And there's a number of explanations and rationalizations, just like Phil pointed out. | ||
| They could be cowardly. | ||
| It could be because he's worried about bad optics before we start getting closer to the midterms. | ||
| But I don't care because if something isn't done, the problem's only going to get worse. | ||
| And we heard all of the same excuses about the BLM riots in 2020. | ||
| Well, it's going to look bad if the government does something. | ||
| The way these things work is that you got to shut them down immediately before they go completely out of control. | ||
| And yes, the optics look a little bit bad for a little bit, but you got to bite the bullet right away and stop it from happening so that you don't have to worry about a little optical disaster. | ||
| Because by the way, every single time one of these riots happens, there is some kind of optics disaster for the Trump administration, regardless, because his supporters go, why isn't he doing anything? | ||
| And you always have at least one person getting arrested who the left then says is a poor innocent victim who didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| So what he needs to do is he just needs to bite the bullet. | ||
| He needs to take all the bad optics at once. | ||
| He needs to throw all these people in jail. | ||
| And then he's going to spare himself years and years of news stories of rioters being locked up one at a time just to be released again. | ||
| You know what the solution to bad optics is? | ||
| You make massive tax cuts and incentivize Massive tax cuts, incentivize people to start businesses, fix the economy, and then no one cares about the optics because they can pay for their groceries again. | ||
| That's what you do. | ||
| You fix the economy. | ||
| You make sure that people can afford to live, make sure that people can afford to pay for their rent, pay their mortgage, buy their groceries, and then they don't care that you're wrapping up leftists and throwing them in jail. | ||
| The solution to the optics is making sure the economy is booming. | ||
| Effective government. | ||
| Effective government people want this. | ||
| Also, by the way, the people who are out here doing this crap, it's not like they're law-abiding citizens who are a benefit to their community regardless. | ||
| If you were able to lock them up and they hadn't even committed the law or broken the law, which I'm not saying you should do, it would still probably be an improvement to the environment that they live in. | ||
| Like these people are generally repeat offenders. | ||
| You don't just start throwing bricks at a cop when you've never broken a law before. | ||
| You don't break down barriers and try to protest someone's free speech with violence when you've never broken a law before. | ||
| So not only would he be taking all the optics disasters at once and then not having to deal with them in the future, but he would probably improve crime rates in all of the cities where he cracked down on these riots and arrested people. | ||
| I think the system is so broken, though, because this goes back longer than a decade. | ||
| These people have been emboldened for decades. | ||
| You go back to the Weather Underground. | ||
| I say it all the time. | ||
| These people were domestic terrorists. | ||
| They were Marxists. | ||
| They killed people. | ||
| They hurt people. | ||
| They killed themselves too with bombs. | ||
| But they went to jail. | ||
| And even when they, even they were pardoned by Cuomo. | ||
| They were pardoned by Clinton. | ||
| They became professors. | ||
| They started doing stuff with Thousand Currents, Susan Rosenberg. | ||
| They started working, Thousand Currents, started working with Act Blue. | ||
| So it's like this is a deep, deep issue with the whole system. | ||
| So even when they go to jail, they come out and get rewarded by the left. | ||
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| How do we stop that? | ||
| Like, that's how you have to, you have to stop that cycle of wild. | ||
| That's supposed to be the antidote, right? | ||
| I mean, that was the reason that a lot of people want Trump to be in office is because he was finally an outsider who didn't care about the optics. | ||
| Like that was supposed to be his thing. | ||
| And so sometimes he really, he really does act that way. | ||
| And I appreciate those. | ||
| And then other times, turning the blind eye, like I'm so frustrated about some of the things that aren't happening. | ||
| I'm frustrated that people who are obviously breaking the law aren't getting arrested. | ||
| I'm frustrated that there's no push right now for nationwide voter ID requirements, right? | ||
| Well, I mean, one of the reasons we're in this mess is because we don't have nationwide voter ID requirements and we're losing elections on the federal level because certain states are disenfranchising everybody else. | ||
| Why is there, we just don't care about that anymore? | ||
| No, I mean that was one of the things that Donald Trump said that would be passed if they got rid of the options. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And so those and it's a snowball effect. | ||
| If you enforce the border, kick out everybody who's not supposed to be here, arrest criminals and actually put them in jail and keep them in jail, and enforce voter ID, you're going to see that the country is actually a lot more conservative than you thought that it was. | ||
| Way more conservative than you thought that it was. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Because the people that are left are the law-abiding citizens that are actually American citizens. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yeah, I think that, like, I mean, I'm as much of a border hawk as you can get. | ||
| I'm glad that the board is basically shut down now. | ||
| And I think that the government should be doing everything they can to wrap up as many illegals here that are here and send them back. | ||
| I don't know that that's going to solve everything, but I do think that that would cause, that would solve a lot of it. | ||
| It all works together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It all works together. | ||
| So we've got another story here tonight that I think it's important to talk about, as well as a little segue later into something that your outlet published that I found kind of funny. | ||
| But the Supreme Court just rejected a long shot effort to overturn the same-sex marriage, they're still calling it marriage for some silly reason, ruling. | ||
| The court turned away an appeal filed by Kim Davis. | ||
| Do you guys remember her? | ||
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Of course. | |
| A former county clerk in Kentucky who was sued after refusing to issue a marriage license to a gay couple. | ||
| First of all, based in Red Pilled American Patriot. | ||
| Secondly, Washington, the Supreme Court ruled on Monday. | ||
| Other Supreme Court on Monday turned away a long shot attempt to overturn the landmark 2015. | ||
| They didn't take the case up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| So it's like they didn't decide on it. | ||
| They didn't want to make it. | ||
| Yeah, they didn't want to make a decision on it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm not taking up the case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Pretty gay. | |
| This is from. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| This is from NBC News, by the way. | ||
| Without comment, the justices rejected an appeal brought by Kim Davis, a former county clerk in Kentucky, who was sued in 2015 for refusing to issue quote-unquote marriage licenses because of her opposition to same-sex. | ||
| By the way, it's kind of funny. | ||
| Sex is censored with two asterisks in this context. | ||
| Same S star star. | ||
| Who knows what that means? | ||
| Marriage based on her religious. | ||
| I've never seen that before. | ||
| That's on NBC News, directly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I'm curious if the title, yeah, the title does. | ||
| The exact same thing. | ||
| So this is not very, very cringe, not a great day for the Supreme Court. | ||
| But I'm curious what everyone else here has to say about this. | ||
| The politics of this is extremely fascinating. | ||
| Based on other rulings that the Supreme Court recently made, notably on overturning the Dobbs decision, overturning Grove v. Wade, many onlookers and legal professionals assumed that following the logic that the court used in previous cases was going to strike something like this down had they taken the case up. | ||
| But they strategically decided not to take the case up because I first assumed they didn't want to deal with the backlash of having to turn something like this that is generally popular with Americans. | ||
| So, you know, if they follow their, what is it, their textualist tinge of the Supreme Court right now, they might have had to overturn this to stay legally consistent, but have chosen to not take up the case. | ||
| If you guys don't also know, the Supreme Court chooses what cases it takes up and has to make a decision on or doesn't have to make a decision on. | ||
| I think the politics of this is fascinating. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, hopefully they're willing to take it up soon. | ||
| I'm curious what you think about this, Shane. | ||
| I know that you're like just a gigantic LGBTQ activist. | ||
| I wish they overturned it. | ||
| I feel the same way about this. | ||
| I feel about not showing force, a strong force with the immigration stuff or the people breaking the law. | ||
| This is something they should do. | ||
| They should overturn it. | ||
| I think it's an abomination. | ||
| Amen, brother. | ||
| Promoting people living an unrepentant sin. | ||
| And I wish they would say, let's overturn it. | ||
| I don't care about the optics. | ||
| I'm ready to change things. | ||
| And it's not just that. | ||
| It's actually forcing all of us with our tax dollars to fund a system that says two men can be married, which is a total fiction. | ||
| They can't be. | ||
| That's not what marriage means. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, what's also interesting is that if there's one institution that shouldn't worry about optics, it's the Supreme Court because it's one of the few places that you have lifelong membership. | ||
| So it's interesting that if that's really the motivation is optics, it's interesting that they would care about optics. | ||
| I think you need four votes in favor, if I'm not mistaken, in order to take up a case. | ||
| It's not a majority. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Isn't it the chief justice who decides what case they're taking? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I honestly don't know. | ||
| I'm speaking based upon ignorance on the subject. | ||
| There's some amount of voting that needs to happen. | ||
| Yeah, I think Thomas was one of them that voted for to take up the case. | ||
| I forget who the other one was. | ||
| I just wonder who the ones weren't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| I think it was only two that said it anywhere. | ||
| Is it published? | ||
| I'm sure you can look it up. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know who the other one was. | ||
| The nine justices of the Supreme Court decide which cases to take with at least four justices needing to vote to grant a writ of Qataria. | ||
| So they only needed four. | ||
| They've got the majority and they weren't able to get four. | ||
| Referred to as the rule of four. | ||
| Well, allegedly, there's only three liberal justices on the court. | ||
| So you'd assume that the six so-called conservative justices would vote not to take it. | ||
| Three of them had a defect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It might not even be optics. | ||
| They might actually be scared for their lives after the Kavanaugh stuff. | ||
| I think that's the biggest death threats, which is ridiculous that they have to worry about that. | ||
| Because we don't arrest the people who do this stuff. | ||
| We do, but they don't get even as much jail time. | ||
| Yeah, exactly as they should. | ||
| Was the one was the one who, uh, well, and by the way, you're right that we small correction by so if we arrested some of the people who like threaten the judges directly, but when you see all the political violence that's occurred with people who haven't been arrested, I mean, if a massive mob surrounds them or does something like that, a lot of those people don't get in any trouble. | ||
| The guy who threatened Kavanaugh, who went there to kill him, did go to jail. | ||
| I believe he's in jail now or was just found guilty. | ||
| But it's for like a small position. | ||
| And then in court, the judge was saying, I'm glad that this led your family to accept you or something completely. | ||
| It's always, I think it's also worth mentioning public opinion currently in the United States on the matter. | ||
| So I'm reading right now from Pew about six in ten adults express a positive view of the impact of same-sex marriage being legal, including 36% who say it is very good for society. | ||
| Roughly four in 10 have a negative view, 37%, with 19% saying it's very bad. | ||
| So there is a supermajority in the country. | ||
| I mean, the Supreme Court shouldn't be motivated by the opinion polls. | ||
| Sure, but if they continue to do things that are extremely unpopular, then their legitimacy decreases and they become less relevant as a branch of the United States. | ||
| Their legitimacy decreased when they got Katanji Brown Jackson. | ||
| Brown Jackson. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| And they shouldn't, again, be swayed by the public, but I think there are political realities that just, you know, they have to take into account. | ||
| They shouldn't be influenced by politics. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| That's why they allegedly have these lifelong terms, but they don't exist in a vacuum. | ||
| It's clear they're affected by other branches of government, too. | ||
| And you know, we're actually, some of us in this room are out of touch generally with what the American people are. | ||
| I thought he was saying out of the closet. | ||
| I was like, a lot. | ||
| Don't get your hopes up, Shane. | ||
| So generally, some of us might be a little bit out of touch with where the average American is. | ||
| I don't know if this is totally playing politics. | ||
| I don't know if the president told them maybe this isn't the right case to take up. | ||
| There have been rumors, too, that the president is extremely concerned about keeping the majority in the upcoming midterms. | ||
| Because if he were to lose the majority right now, what is there? | ||
| A three, four, five-seat majority of the Republicans, depending if you're counting Massey as a Republican. | ||
| So if the Democrats were to gain a majority again, there would be endless investigations. | ||
| The president would definitely be impeached again. | ||
| So I think, you know, he might be trying to hedge against that. | ||
| That's why we're seeing him do the redistricting, among other things. | ||
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| So I think you're right. | ||
| It's possible that the justices are trying to play politics. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Again, obviously, it's not the point of a Supreme Court justice to play politics. | ||
| I also understand in this hyper-polarized landscape why they might feel a need to. | ||
| And Shane, I think you're also correct that they could have been intimidated into deciding not to hear the case. | ||
| But with what you mentioned about opinion polling on the matter, if those numbers are accurate, what it demonstrates is that the law is a teacher. | ||
| Because remember, gay marriage, quote unquote, was not something that the public demanded. | ||
| It was not something that was voted for. | ||
| It was something that was forced onto us by the courts. | ||
| Even in California, the bluest blue state, they could not get people to vote in favor of it. | ||
| It was the California Supreme Court that decided that homosexual, quote unquote, marriage existed and had to be respected in the state of California. | ||
| And in such a limited time, with that legislative change that was forced onto the public by the courts, the American people have largely changed their perspective on this. | ||
| It can be changed back if the courts decide to reverse the decision. | ||
| This is not permanent. | ||
| I'm not sure that it's not. | ||
| They said of the Roe v. Wade that it was so-called settled law. | ||
| And that's why I used to argue to people constantly. | ||
| I used to interview leftists, women's march people on the street concerned about Roe v. Wade. | ||
| And I would tell them smugly, oh, well, it's settled law. | ||
| You know, that's what the Supreme Court justices said. | ||
| The Supreme Court justice said this is settled law. | ||
| You know, doesn't that mean anything to you? | ||
| And they'd go, no. | ||
| And, you know, I guess the same logic can apply here to the Bargerfeld decision. | ||
| Despite it being settled law, some people would argue that the legality, it's not very textualist in nature and could be overturned. | ||
| I do think they are taking politics into consideration, though, when it comes to this. | ||
| Although they maybe shouldn't, I feel like it is viewing them too much in a vacuum. | ||
| One more thing that I want to point out here, because Kim Davis got brought up, and that's such a throwback for most of us. | ||
| I don't think I've heard that name in what, 10 years. | ||
| She was made the target of a smear campaign by the media where rather than discussing whether she had the freedom as an American to not partake in the legitimizing of unions that she understood to be sinful, we instead had conversations about her moral character. | ||
| What they kept saying was, well, Kim Davis is divorced. | ||
| Okay, well, sodomy is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance, and she's still allowed to oppose it, even if she has committed other sins in her life. | ||
| The argument is not Kim Davis is a perfect person and the moral guru we all have to listen to. | ||
| The argument was: does a person have to earn the right to conscientiously object to partaking in the legitimizing of lifestyle choices they understand to be disgusting and wrong? | ||
| Do they have to earn that by being up to your moral standards? | ||
| Or are they allowed that freedom as Americans? | ||
| Yeah, because you're not allowed to speak out against their cult, their religion. | ||
| Their religion, their cult, you know, wants this stuff to happen. | ||
| So it's all this attack on Christianity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're more. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| There's one last tidbit I wanted to add on the gay marriage stuff. | ||
| Gay marriage and gay people. | ||
| Just a little tidbit. | ||
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Just a little tip. | |
| Just a tiny bit. | ||
| Just a tip of a fly in that gay marriage. | ||
| Oh, that's not what I meant. | ||
| I just thought tidbit was a funny word to use. | ||
| I didn't mean it. | ||
| I think it's initially what you meant. | ||
| I think it's worth mentioning that gay men have become more prominent in the Republican Party now more than ever, both in the closet and out. | ||
| And that could help in normalizing gay people, particularly for the party that is most predisposed to potentially be against gay marriage. | ||
| Sorry, Lindsey Graham. | ||
| Forget Lindsey Graham. | ||
| It goes way up higher than that. | ||
| Scott Besant is, you know, well, he's publicly gay. | ||
| He's outwardly gay. | ||
| He has a pink house and he's married to a man. | ||
| He's got a pink house. | ||
| He sleeps with a pink blanket. | ||
| Lots on Zillow to him. | ||
| Pink Corvette. | ||
| No, there's a lot of him. | ||
| There's a lot of high-ranking gay people in the Trump administration and the Republican Party writ large. | ||
| And the Republican Party isn't nearly as anti-gay and against gay marriage as they used to be, despite there being a religious part of the party that is. | ||
| But I also know there's a lot of gay conservatives who don't agree with marriage being dictated by the government who are who actually oppose gay marriage. | ||
| So I think most of the gay men in the Republican Party support the O'Bergerfeld decision. | ||
| I've heard both. | ||
| You know, obviously there's some who are totally fine and there's others who don't. | ||
| You could say that about everything, but I think writ large, the gay Republican men do support their no, yeah, 90% of gay men. | ||
| Where'd you get that number? | ||
| Where'd you get that 90% number? | ||
| All the gay men that I've spoken to, and that's about the Republican Party, which are a lot of. | ||
| All the gay men. | ||
| There's a lot of pink houses. | ||
| There's a ton. | ||
| You could look up his house. | ||
| Oh, it's very pink. | ||
| It looks really. | ||
| Watch out. | ||
| He'll swing on you. | ||
| You talk shit about gay people in front of Besson. | ||
| I respected that. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| I mean, that was fun. | ||
| But that is to say, they're very influential. | ||
| There are many very influential gay men in the administration, in the party, and this is becoming more normalized in the party. | ||
| I think going the opposite direction. | ||
| Are Christians in the Republican Party supposed to accept that then just because they're on state governors are so-called Christians. | ||
| And whether or not you want to accept them as Christians. | ||
| Well, I don't. | ||
| Yeah, I know Peter Thiel calls himself a Christian, but he's an unrepentant sinner married to a gay man. | ||
| Well, you sin. | ||
| Are you still a Christian? | ||
| We're all born sinners. | ||
| Well, there is a sinner. | ||
| Yeah, but there's a difference. | ||
| I'm not living in unrepentant sin. | ||
| There's a difference. | ||
| Married to a man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, you know more about your sins than I do. | ||
| And I'm not here to tell people they are or aren't Christian based on this. | ||
| We're all ruling. | ||
| Well, I will know, but there's actually an important distinction here. | ||
| Like, it is also a sin to deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. | ||
| You wouldn't say, well, you can't tell that person they're not Christian because they deny the divinity of Jesus Christ because you also sin. | ||
| Like, if you have chosen to base your beliefs around something explicitly anti-Christian and you've said what the church, what tradition, what scripture explicitly defines as a sin isn't a sin and I'm not allowed to do it, or and I am allowed to do it, is different from being a believing Christian who sometimes makes mistakes. | ||
| Yeah, but Seamus, for example, that's like you're stripping away many people of their religious, you know, no, I'm not their decision making. | ||
| That's their bad decision making. | ||
| That's bad theology, as I understand, are pro-choice. | ||
| Those are not practicing Catholics. | ||
| So you'd say more than people who call themselves Catholic aren't? | ||
| Certainly, that's Hollywood Catholics. | ||
| They're baptized Catholics. | ||
| They're not practicing that. | ||
| But this is not the same. | ||
| Are you the Pope, though? | ||
| Like, no, you're able to decide. | ||
| No, and because I'm the Pope, no, I'm not allowed to decide this because I'm not the Pope. | ||
| I have to follow what the Church has already said. | ||
| And what the Church has already said is there are certain standards you have to meet in order to be considered a practicing Catholic. | ||
| And one of them is you have to give full assent to Catholic teaching, including the teachings on abortion. | ||
| Ergo, no, they literally are not practicing Catholics by definition. | ||
| So I would be playing God and playing Pope, right? | ||
| If I were to say, no, you can be Catholic, you can be a practicing Catholic, even if you explicitly reject church teaching. | ||
| So I'm a Jew, so I'll hold my tongue only a little bit when talking on these Catholic issues. | ||
| As I understand, the Pope recognizes these people as Catholics. | ||
| The Pope does not recognize them as practicing Catholics. | ||
| And the Magisterium of the Church does not recognize them as practicing Catholics. | ||
| The Pope doesn't recognize people who are pro-choice as Catholics? | ||
| We're deciding Catholic and the Pope has not issued a statement. | ||
| The Pope has not issued a statement overturning church teaching that practicing Catholics have to give assent to Catholic teaching. | ||
| The Pope has not done that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Those people aren't Catholic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anyway, we can move on from this topic. | ||
| Because otherwise, well, yeah, we can move on from there. | ||
| We do another hour. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| We do another hour. | ||
| I think the gay stuff is. | ||
| All of that is to say the gay stuff's becoming more normalized in the Republican Party despite the fact that aren't there a lot of graphs that show that support for a gay marriage is declining? | ||
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| And there's a revival in Christianity right now. | ||
| Yeah, there's a revival in Christianity. | ||
| So I think anything that you do to shrink the party is probably bad for the party and for the United States because if you allow the Democrats to get back into power, they're going to start throwing conservatives in jail. | ||
| If Christians have self-have the desire for self-preservation, you do not want Democrats back in power. | ||
| Listen, the Democrats call Christians Christian nationalists. | ||
| They associate Christians with Nazis. | ||
| They associate Christians with evil. | ||
| And they will use the government to oppress you. | ||
| My self-preservation is voted in eternity outside of the material world. | ||
| You are welcome to have that opinion. | ||
| And I'm not going to sacrifice my beliefs to help the party, the material world. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I'm not going to vote for someone who is also antithetical to my beliefs. | ||
| That's fine to have that opinion. | ||
| But if you do, then you are going to send people that don't agree with that into the hands of the Democrats and into the hands of people that will destroy the country. | ||
| My thing is, though, I think we're screwed on either side right now. | ||
| And one of the things I have the problem with Trump is the total embrace of Silicon Valley, which is anti-human and anti-Christian. | ||
| And they're building out a dystopia that is shackling people to the material world. | ||
| So right now, I feel like they're both kind of selling out humanity and the middle class for sure. | ||
| And by the way, Phil, even though I disagree, I understand your argument from strategy. | ||
| I understand coming at it from a place of pragmatism. | ||
| A, I agree with Shane, but and B, then it becomes a question of how much do we allow the party to change and lose its identity for the sake of getting outside people in? | ||
| Because at some point you go, well, what are we fighting for? | ||
| What values do we have? | ||
| Has always been a part of the concern or of the right that was based not on religious principles. | ||
| There has always been a wing or whatever you want to call it of the Republican Party that was based on economics and not based on social conservative conservatism. | ||
| And I think that it is important to keep the big tent. | ||
| Because look, if you're going to start saying you are a sinner, so you're not welcome in my party, you're going to. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| No, yeah, that's not the argument. | ||
| I believe we're all born sinners. | ||
| It sounds a lot like it because it's going to start saying, okay, if you're a pro-choice conservative or a pro-choice Republican, you can't be here. | ||
| If you're a gay Republican, you can't be here. | ||
| These things will whittle away at support on the right. | ||
| That is not something that the right can afford. | ||
| Whereas right now, the right is largely made up of Democrats. | ||
| Look at Donald Trump, RFK, Tulsi Gabbard. | ||
| All these people are Democrats that are basically not far left enough. | ||
| Right now, we have a big tent Republican Party, and it's fine if you don't have to agree, but I don't think that saying, look, we need to kick out people or we need to stop aligning with the big tent party because we believe because our faith won't allow us. | ||
| I think that will cause massive problems for the country. | ||
| That's not what we're saying. | ||
| If someone is in favor of abortion, I want them to vote Republican. | ||
| The Republican Party should not become a pro-abortion party. | ||
| And if it does, then you're not allowing the pro-lifers and the people who have sustained this party for decades and been the most reliable voting block for it are going to be pushed out. | ||
| So it's a question of which side we're on, and it's a question of which policies we're going to adopt. | ||
| If the Republican Party says that it's going to become a pro-abortion party, it loses like 90% of its appeal for me. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| And people are going to leave. | ||
| So if someone's pro-abortion, again, I want them to vote for our candidates. | ||
| We should not change our position. | ||
| So fair enough, maybe using abortion is a bad example when it comes to the issue about whether or not gay people should be welcomed in the Republican Party or whether or not we should overturn Obergefeld. | ||
| Remember, that's just the federal overturn, same as Roe versus Wade, right? | ||
| You still have states' rights to have gay marriage, correct? | ||
| I mean, that's all that this is. | ||
| This would be a discussion of that or no. | ||
| I think that's probably what would happen. | ||
| The federal government would probably turn it over to the states if they overturned Obergefeld. | ||
| It would just be like, right, you're not making gay marriage illegal in the United States. | ||
| You're just simply overturning the federalization of the gay marriage law. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But like I said, we are a big, the reason the MAGA coalition has won is because it is a big tent coalition. | ||
| And the Christian conservatives are an important leg, but also the not left enough Democrats that have found a home in the MAGA coalition, they are important too, because that is what Donald Trump is. | ||
| That is what Tulsi Gabbard is. | ||
| That is what RFK is. | ||
| That is what a lot, most of the people in Washington that are in the cabinet are those people. | ||
| And this is maybe where we disagree, but where we probably do have some area of agreement, which is I do think that with the parties transforming and changing and people moving over to the Republican Party from the Democratic Party, there are ways the Republican Party can benefit policy-wise. | ||
| I just think that's on diametrically opposite issues. | ||
| Like, I would rather see the Republican Party maybe embrace like some kind of support for local social safety nets or the kind of thing the Republican Party might not spring for in the past with people who were traditionally Democrats entering into the party or some of the stuff RFK says about what's in our food supply. | ||
| Historically, Republicans have said that's nanny state stuff. | ||
| We don't want anyone being concerned with the health of our food. | ||
| I do think there's room for policy growth on the with the no, absolutely not, because single payer would destroy the country. | ||
| But I don't think abortion is the same. | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| If you allow the Democrats to get into power, that'll destroy the country too, because they're going to get single payer. | ||
| Sure, we oh, you're saying if we let the democrats get power, they're gonna get single pairs if yeah, but we can't just be like just but the thing is we can't only be one percent to the right of the democrats because if they get elected, it'll be worse. | ||
| We have to draw a line somewhere, and I think we just ultimately disagree over where we draw the line. | ||
| Uh, I mean, maybe, but I think that my in my opinion, the the conservatives or the Republicans winning is the most important thing. | ||
| Well, Elod, you've been wanting to say something for a while, so let me let you jump in. | ||
| And by the way, this could also be part of the after show. | ||
| Yeah, I think there's a lot to yeah, there's just one one thing I feel like it's important to hit on, and I want to ask you this, Seamus. | ||
| Uh, do you feel marginalized by the Trump administration? | ||
| Kind of your support being taken for granted, given his stances on things like abortion. | ||
| Recently, in Texas, he didn't want to challenge a case regarding Mefa Pristo and the abortion pill. | ||
| Um, I don't know if you're against IVF, but he's definitely very supportive of IVF. | ||
| Depending on how you look at this Obergefeld thing to not even take up the case, you could say that he's tacitly pro-gay marriage. | ||
| Well, no, he's openly gay marriage, but I don't think that has anything to do with it. | ||
| So, do you feel marginalized as a result of that? | ||
| Because, I mean, a lot of your top issues are taking a back seat in the Trump. | ||
| Yeah, no, absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I don't want to speak for Shane here, but I think this is the way that, and I don't want to speak for you either, but I think this is the way that a lot of conservative Christians feel that the party's trying to soften his stance on abortion before the election. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| I didn't like that. | ||
| No, that really made me angry. | ||
| The reality was, I knew that Kamala was so much worse on the issue, so I just didn't really have a choice. | ||
| But I thought that was a disaster. | ||
| He's the most pro-choice Republican. | ||
| Pro-abortion Republican that we've ever had. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We've ever had. | ||
| It's unfortunate. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| So, yes, to answer your question, yes, I do feel marginalized. | ||
| I think it's a bad thing. | ||
| And I do not think that. | ||
| And you probably should, frankly. | ||
| Yeah, with how it's going. | ||
| Yeah, especially on IVF, by the way. | ||
| Very bad. | ||
| Getting it. | ||
| Very bad. | ||
| Lots of unborn babies made and then just flushed away. | ||
| Just killed me. | ||
| You know, it's interesting with Trump, though, because it's a give and take because he is not the ideal candidate for somebody who has Christian beliefs and every single belief. | ||
| But he's also one of the only candidates who actually stands up for Christians. | ||
| Like we're talking about, you know, Christians being slaughtered over an African year. | ||
| And he's the only politician I can think of that actually is addressing it. | ||
| So, you know, it's give or take with Trump. | ||
| Trump is always complicated. | ||
| It's never just black and white with Trump. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| And that's one of the very strange things about Trump. | ||
| But we're going to go over to super chats real quick. | ||
| I'm going to run. | ||
| We're running a little bit late. | ||
| I'm going to run to my show. | ||
| We love you. | ||
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All right. | |
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| It's great seeing you, man. | ||
| See you guys. | ||
| Pleasure meeting you. | ||
| You crush it tonight, big guy. | ||
| Join us on Rumble and YouTube at Inverta World Live. | ||
| I'll have Viva Fry on at 10 o'clock. | ||
| We're going to talk about ostriches getting massacred. | ||
| I know it sounds insane, but this is really a crazy story. | ||
| Did they do that in Australia once? | ||
| They were totally laughing. | ||
| They killed all the dogs during COVID that people wanted to adopt. | ||
| They said, don't adopt them. | ||
| We're going to slaughter them all. | ||
| They also, I think in Finland, killed 3 million ferrets because they were afraid of COVID. | ||
| So it's kind of in line with all that insane policy stuff. | ||
| But I'll see you guys there. | ||
| And thanks for having me. | ||
| Later, guys. | ||
| Take care, bud. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Good job, Frank. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| It's great to see you, as always. | ||
| So we're going to pull up some of these questions. | ||
| The Senate passed the legislation to open the federal government. | ||
| It's going back to the House tomorrow. | ||
| They expect to vote. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| 30 minutes ago, that was breaking. | ||
| Some of these names are so difficult to read, but I don't know where the space is supposed to be. | ||
| I don't blame you. | ||
| Unitonate glue? | ||
| Unit unit glue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, what's wrong with me? | ||
| Unit unit. | ||
| That's just the same word twice. | ||
| Tripped me up. | ||
| People shouldn't worry about being demonized by murderers, thieves, liars, and criminals. | ||
| People need to grow a spine. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| Can we get an eye for everyone who agrees with that? | ||
| Aye. | ||
| Phil doesn't agree, I guess. | ||
| I didn't even hear you. | ||
| So Tiffany says Republican Party goes 100% anti-abortion. | ||
| You lose elections again. | ||
| Conservatives and MAGA are not pure per-life. | ||
| Seamus the spoon stealer is wrong. | ||
| Well, you're wrong for several reasons because I'm not a spoon stealer. | ||
| I've never done that. | ||
| You know me, you know me. | ||
| You know, I wouldn't do that. | ||
| But the Republican Party can't embrace abortion at any point or for any reason. | ||
| Chad T says, Phil, I disagree. | ||
| More than a, and this is, this is actually the most controversial thing you said tonight, Phil, that they're going to disagree with. | ||
| And it's going to open a whole discussion. | ||
| They said, Phil, I disagree. | ||
| More than 10 to 12 hour drive, you fly. | ||
| I live three hours from a major airport, one to four hours waiting for connections, eat more time than driving. | ||
| Very fly direct flights from regional airports. | ||
| Most people aren't three hours from a major airport. | ||
| Yeah, I tell you, I would concede because I think that it is, it does, just to your point, like it does matter where you're from. | ||
| Being from the East Coast, right? | ||
| I don't think anywhere from, you know, from Boston all the way down here, you're more than an hour and a half, two hours from an airport. | ||
| So I think that that does take, you take that into account. | ||
| And if you're out west, you know, if you, if you're out, you know, in the, in the hills in the Rockies or whatever, and it's three hours to get to Boise or to Denver or Salt Lake, then I totally understand why you would have that opinion. | ||
| I don't have any problem with your take at all. | ||
| So I do think that you make sense. | ||
| I think that my opinion is context dependent because I live on the East Coast. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| So Jay Dirtbiker says, today marks the 50-year anniversary since the Edmund Fitzgerald went down in the frigid waters of Lake Superior. | ||
| Rest in peace to the 29 souls on the board who lost their lives on that terrible day. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| God bless them. | ||
| They were doing very difficult work to provide for their fellow Americans and they died. | ||
| And there's a, I'm sure you guys all know this, the incredible Gordon Lightfoot song about it. | ||
| It's kind of been going viral lately. | ||
| A lot of people have been talking about it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You want to sing it a little bit? | ||
| I don't know if we have the rights to it. | ||
| I don't know if I'm allowed to sing it on it. | ||
| He's illegal coverage. | ||
| I'll just have to ask Tim if that's allowed. | ||
| Evan for us says, as the mass exodus happens out of New York, they will lose their electoral power and hold on the country and red as well as purple areas will become more red. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Yeah, so here's the thing. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| It's always difficult whenever you have this kind of mass exodus because someone thinking that Zoran Mamdani's policies make New York unlivable does not make them a right-wing conservative. | ||
| That's pretty much a normal position that like any reasonable person has. | ||
| And so a lot of these people are going to move to red states and they're going to ruin them. | ||
| I'm sorry to spoil that for you. | ||
| That was another Bablombi headline. | ||
| This was actually from two days ago. | ||
| Mamdani dethrones Gavin Newsome as U-Haul's top salesman. | ||
| Well, this is the other thing. | ||
| He might do more to increase property values in Florida than DeSantis ever could. | ||
| Do you guys think that there are a lot of people that would make the argument that Mamdani is Islam first? | ||
| And then there are people that would say that he is leftist first. | ||
| What is your sense? | ||
| I think he's Islam first. | ||
| Wow, real. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'm curious. | ||
| I mean, just based upon the circles that he has been courting, I guess you would say, I think that it's still unpopular enough to be Islam first in a major city like New York that you kind of have to be hushed about it. | ||
| But based upon the people he surrounded himself with, especially towards the end of the election cycle, I think that that's just a decoy to get out. | ||
| So I think he is anti-American first. | ||
| I'll give you a real answer. | ||
| But he's anti-American first. | ||
| I do believe he is Muslim first, and he's using leftist politics as a vehicle for his anti-Americanism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I'm going to answer somewhat similarly. | ||
| A little bit of a distinction here, though. | ||
| I think that he's leftist first, but in the sense that the reason leftism appeals to him is because of the anti-white identity coalition that forms around it. | ||
| I believe that he views himself very much as a member of his specific ethnic group. | ||
| And this is basically what he was saying during a speech. | ||
| You know, black and brown solidarity will defeat white supremacy. | ||
| To him, it seems the most important thing is pushing back against what he views as like white hegemony. | ||
| I think he's fueled by racial resentment. | ||
| I believe that his Islamic beliefs probably play a role in that. | ||
| So it's difficult to separate it. | ||
| Yeah, I think his anti-colonial beliefs are downstream from his Islamic beliefs and resentment from is like downstream from there. | ||
| And well, this is important because it's like, is he a leftist first? | ||
| Well, I've said this a million times before, but leftism is essentially just the intellectual rationalization for social decay. | ||
| And as societies decay, the thing that people care more about than their actual values are things like skin color. | ||
| So you look in prison, they're not like having debates over, you know, what policies they think they should have as inmates as they interact with each other. | ||
| They go with their racial group because when everything else has broken down, that's what people gravitate towards. | ||
| And so because leftism is social decay, it does lend itself towards people just coalescing with their own specific racial or ethnic group and not in the sense where they like love or prefer their own people, but where they hate other groups, like they hate white people, for example. | ||
| And I think Mamdani is a really good example of that. | ||
| So I don't know that there's this like complex, you know, ideological rationalization for it. | ||
| I think that the thing that matters to him quite a lot is his ethnic identity. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So we have from Nathan O'Connell, there are foreign combatants inside our country. | ||
| American civilians are providing material and financial support. | ||
| At what point is treason not an acceptable charge for these supporters? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think if you have enemies of the United States operating within our borders and Americans are funding them, then they absolutely need to be tried for treason. | ||
| I'm not sure if someone has like a more nuanced or complicated answer than that, but first of all, I'm comfortable saying that. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| A lot easier to find them. | ||
| But yes, they both should be punished. | ||
| They're taking cues from the Palestinians with that one, with the rock throwing, huh? | ||
| We should just go to the Mexican. | ||
| Hold on, no, we're going to sit with that. | ||
| We're going to sit with Elon's Elon. | ||
| Oh, my gosh, I called you Elon. | ||
| We're going to sit. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guess that's a compliment. | ||
| Eat all this. | ||
| We got to put this. | ||
| So, oh, oh, next question. | ||
| You're shooting too much hair, by the way, for it to be a test. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
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It's a real shaky hair, remember? | |
| It's true. | ||
| He hides his hair under the beanie. | ||
| Why don't you shave your head tomorrow? | ||
| That's what I should do. | ||
| I should just completely shave my head. | ||
| Scotty Mitz says, as the time honor tradition demands, I am super chatting to report that I'm watching from the hospital. | ||
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My wife has given birth to our second and third daughters. | |
| Second and third day. | ||
| This fine day. | ||
| So the second and third daughters she's given birth to that fine day. | ||
| That's double. | ||
| She is triple. | ||
| No, I'm kidding. | ||
| Bad joke. | ||
| God bless you guys. | ||
| We're very happy for you. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| I'm glad you're super chatting in. | ||
| And what good news? | ||
| We talk about some difficult things that happen in the world on this show. | ||
| So it's always nice to get a little white pill like that. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So we have this username, Mammalian. | ||
| Cloned beef and pork has entered the Canadian food supply without safety testing or mandatory labeling, followed by the cutting of 300 ostriches in BC. | ||
| Seems weird, A. | ||
| They said A, so we know they are Canadian. | ||
| So this all has to be true. | ||
| I have no idea about this story. | ||
| Are you guys familiar with this story of cloned more ostriches in their marketplace? | ||
| Like 300 of them, they just offed them for no reason because they're like, oh, bird flu or something. | ||
| Didn't Biden do this with a bunch of chickens? | ||
| More than 300 chickens, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, more than 300, but I know that there was a bunch of chicken. | ||
| Enough that the cost of eggs went through the roof for a while. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So nice. | ||
| And this is a crazy thing where they wouldn't they not they like wouldn't let the farmers quarantine the chickens or something. | ||
| They're like, you have to do it our way. | ||
| Oh, yeah, no, of course. | ||
| The people in D.C. know the most about farming. | ||
| Of course they do. | ||
| Bunch of geniuses. | ||
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All right. | |
| Let's grab another one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Seamus, can I ask you a question? | ||
| So hold on. | ||
| Well, I want to make sure we get to these chats, but listen, on the after show, we will really. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You guys need to sign up for the Discord. | ||
| Be sure to sign up, TimCast.com, become a member. | ||
| Yeah, you could have joined Elad and myself before the show today and asked questions if you wanted to. | ||
| It was intimate. | ||
| It was an intimate pre-show. | ||
| That sounds gross. | ||
| With a lot and Phil. | ||
| All right, so from Libertarian Hawk, they said 35-year residential appraiser in Florida here. | ||
| The 50-year mortgage would decimate equity building. | ||
| 50-year mortgage would take 36 years before principal would pass interest payments. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Doesn't sound kosher to me. | ||
| Doesn't sound very good. | ||
| 30 years. | ||
| If it's all written as you'd assume it would be for $188 savings on a $410,000 house. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| That's like actually completely insane. | ||
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That is nuts. | |
| That's completely insane. | ||
| Bill Dozer. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They said, y'all going to talk about why Rand opposed this? | ||
| Talk about them trying to criminalize hemp again. | ||
| Elad is misleading AF. | ||
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No. | |
| Elod, how do you answer to these charges? | ||
| Repeat the super chat. | ||
| I know Rand Paul was trying to change some amendment that they were changing in Kansas regarding some hemp laws. | ||
| I don't think a government shutdown is what he should try to leverage to change this law. | ||
| Every other Republican senator voted to continue to open the government so the president can continue his agenda. | ||
| I don't think this is a good cop-out for Rand. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Elod just hates libertarians because they will go against the MAGA agenda. | ||
| And so because of that, he will always frame them in the worst possible light. | ||
| He will never be charitable to them. | ||
| You must understand that. | ||
| It's hard to be charitable. | ||
| They oppose Mass reporting. | ||
| He does not deny the agenda in Venezuela. | ||
| They oppose the president in every which way. | ||
| Again, like with Republicans like Massey and Rand Paul, who needs Democrats? | ||
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But we don't need to get too much of it. | |
| He will never steel man their arguments ever. | ||
| What did he say specifically? | ||
| He's like, oh, it's good that Rand was grandstanding on some niche hemp law that nobody cares about. | ||
| Again, never. | ||
| Is that what he said? | ||
| Is that what this is? | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| I don't think the government shutdown should be leveraged. | ||
| I agree with laws about hemp laws that are actually staying the same. | ||
| He wants to change them to have his vote be brought in. | ||
| Everything I said. | ||
| Instead of maintaining the status quo. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| These libertarians will all travel shut down. | ||
| You will never steel man the argument. | ||
| You will never have a job. | ||
| All right, let's get next super chat with you. | ||
| All right, yeah, so I'm going to read two of these questions. | ||
| We have from Ryan Hunter. | ||
| Regarding mortgages, if the borrower is given three choices with equity rates, 30 years, 50 years, and 50 years with monthly costs of 30 years, additional money is used as down payment, you save on interest and finish at 24.5 years. | ||
| I'm a neocon, not an economist. | ||
| Can we bomb the mortgage? | ||
| Then let the economist talk. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's the thing is like you have to see how everything is written up. | ||
| Like we don't know. | ||
| We don't know what is available. | ||
| We don't know what's possible. | ||
| Like they are the government. | ||
| They decide how this stuff goes. | ||
| So I guess we'll just see. | ||
| Yeah, doesn't the Fed control rates and that will affect the prices of homes as well? | ||
| And hey, if you don't have any money, buy a home in West Virginia. | ||
| That is not financial advice. | ||
| That is not financial advice. | ||
| We have to be very careful. | ||
| We don't get financial advice on the show. | ||
| Lysandron Stormwalker says, make it illegal for BlackRock or Vanguard or any of these other companies to own single-family homes. | ||
| My sister-in-law and her husband sold their house and BlackRock bought it and paid over the asking price. | ||
| Well, it sounds like you're jealous of your sister and her husband. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds like crazy cope. | ||
| She should be happy that she got paid extra. | ||
| And also, this is a crazy cope because BlackRock barely owns any of these single-family homes. | ||
| I disavow. | ||
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I'm kidding. | |
| I'm scared. | ||
| Elot is actually. | ||
| Does BlackRock legitimately own far less than 1%? | ||
| And this is just like a cope for housing prices being an issue in our country. | ||
| You are cursing. | ||
| Remember, BlackRock and like these fund managers and stuff, they're publicly traded. | ||
| So it does help for the people that own stock in these companies as well. | ||
| I just want to say. | ||
| Most people are retired. | ||
| I was just making, I was just cracking a quip, making a little joke when I said that you're jealous. | ||
| I don't think you're jealous. | ||
| And I agree with your concern. | ||
| I think it's legitimate. | ||
| One thing I will mention is: yes, Elot, I think you are correct that BlackRock buying up residential properties is certainly not the main culprit here. | ||
| I think this is a way that people want to misdirect some of the anger at other more serious issues, like millions and millions and millions, tens of millions of illegals being in the United States and regulations that prevent new houses from being built, new residential properties and constructions from going underway. | ||
| So there's a lot to this. | ||
| Like, dude, you're from New York. | ||
| You know, all those big skyscrapers and all those apartments that have like nobody in them because they just bought it as like a land. | ||
| Like, you know, oh, it's going to hold some property here in the U.S., et cetera, pay lower taxes. | ||
| That's what needs to change. | ||
| It's like there's so many more systemic things that need to change in order for it to actually be fixed. | ||
| But that's a good one for you here, Seamus. | ||
| I think this is real estate being a commodity that's an issue. | ||
| Because that's what we're really talking about here, right? | ||
| Real estate as a commodity and people using it as a vehicle to store their wealth in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that should be changed. | ||
| I think there's a lot of truth in that. | ||
| It's completely. | ||
| I mean, it feels like so much of the economy at this point is built on that. | ||
| It's difficult to know how we could strip that away. | ||
| And property ownership has become one of the primary vehicles of generating wealth for your average middle-class family. | ||
| So decommodifying it could actually really hurt the middle class. | ||
| But ultimately, I think you're right that it probably is a more sensible way to operate your economy where the house is not merely viewed as an asset. | ||
| Or the very least something. | ||
| I don't know if it's possible to detangle it from being an asset and still allow it to be the vehicle for wealth generation that it is. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| Like, is there a way to do this where we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater? | ||
| We need another Levitt town. | ||
| We need to mass produce these, you know, have these nice neighborhoods on Long Island, produce Bill O'Reilly's. | ||
| That's where he was born at least, by the way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it, like, I think it's going to be short-term pain no matter what. | ||
| There's going to be short-term pain to correct what's happened because we've been sold, like, we've been sold out. | ||
| We've been screwed over. | ||
| So no matter what happens, there's going to be short-term pain. | ||
| And then hopefully in the long term, it works out. | ||
| That's the only thing we can hope for at this point. | ||
| But yeah, this one was pretty good. | ||
| Amen. | ||
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All right. | |
| So we have from Matthew Pacheco. | ||
| They said 26-year-old Denver, Colorado Magger. | ||
| Another man. | ||
| I thought that was short for something. | ||
| And then I remember that Tim made that new word. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And proud Catholic carrying on the tradition of super chatting. | ||
| Well, my wife is in labor. | ||
| Another way. | ||
| Second child and second son. | ||
| I love the idea of all these guys in the waiting room, like outside just super chatting and watching, honey, wait, honey, wait. | ||
| No, it's kind of based. | ||
| It's kind of based. | ||
| And thank you for your chat. | ||
| Please pray for my wife's health and love you, Seamus. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| God has blessed you, man, with the children. | ||
| That is a beautiful thing. | ||
| That is a beautiful thing. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Very happy. | ||
| Very happy for them. | ||
| It looks like we probably got time for like maybe one or two more. | ||
| Four or five more. | ||
| Maybe four or five more, maybe 12 more. | ||
| Six, seven more. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| You're off. | ||
| You're kicked off the show. | ||
| You can never come back on for that one. | ||
|
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Let's see. | |
| If I can find something inside Rumble, let's go over here. | ||
| Oh, the Rumble Rants. | ||
| Some Rumble Rants. | ||
| So this person says, Outside of people at work who do fly regularly, only a few in my life fly, and it's rare. | ||
| I think most normies are completely unaffected by this and the rest of the shutdown. | ||
| In fact, true. | ||
| That's a one-dimensional way of looking at it. | ||
| If the entire economy is affected by people being able to move throughout the country, you're affected by it in ways that you don't even realize it. | ||
| I mean, just because you're not personally flying doesn't mean that people have to get places. | ||
| Yeah, true. | ||
| It's a part of the economic engine. | ||
| We've got, no, I totally agree with you, and I'm shocked that our neocon, Reagan-loving, trickle-down econ advocate doesn't see that. | ||
| Oh, no, I'm going to be late on my flight to Barbados. | ||
| You're like, oh, no, to California. | ||
| The wealth's not going to trickle down, E-Lad. | ||
| I thought you were going to be able to do that. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| So, Squirtle Pone says, about to take my wife to the hospital. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| We think it's time we have our second baby girl, Goodnight IRL crew. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| God bless us. | ||
| It's awesome here. | ||
| We're hoping everything goes smoothly. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| I love seeing that. | ||
| Three of those tonight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a good white pill. | ||
| It's because the government opened back up and now people can have children again. | ||
| Make babies. | ||
| So this person, Gage Ramsey, says, America First Americans don't want to fund the rest of the world's wars, especially they spelled it Israel. | ||
| And our, is there, does that, the algorithm flag that word or something? | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| Yeah, I could see why. | ||
| Because maybe that's like a clever way of spelling it so the algorithm doesn't find it. | ||
| And we are pretty sick of their influence in our country. | ||
|
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And then they say the B is cooked. | |
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
|
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Nice. | |
| Butanical Gardens, I think it is. | ||
| Is it Butanical? | ||
| It's Butanical Gardens. | ||
| Butane. | ||
| Yeah, good. | ||
| Bought seven acres four years ago in Arizona, $1,200 an acre, $20K all in for tiny house, $5K for solar, now $15K an acre. | ||
| Thanks, Callie. | ||
| $6K a month goes a long way on no bills. | ||
| Buy land and move off the grid. | ||
| What do you guys think of that? | ||
| I mean, look, if you have the ability to do it. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, it's not for everybody. | ||
| I mean, there's way more, way less people that can do that than fly commercial, I can tell you. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| Last time I went to Phoenix, the only thing that stuck with me is how many homeless people there were everywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, I thought they didn't exist like that outside of the cities. | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe it has something to do with the Native Americans there, too, but it was just everywhere. | ||
| I think it has to do with the fact that it's hot all the time. | ||
| That's why people are homeless. | ||
| Guys, you aren't going to believe it. | ||
|
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Hold on. | |
| Oh, no. | ||
| You keep going, but I've got a crazy, another crazy note. | ||
| Stop, pump it out. | ||
| Let's hear it. | ||
| It is a crazy day, guys. | ||
| We have from Swim Smart. | ||
| Another one? | ||
| As a tradition, watching Tim Cast while the wife delivers another Patriot. | ||
| Welcome, Arthur, to the fight and support our small business, Swim Smart. | ||
| Well, God bless you. | ||
| Great to see you. | ||
| Congratulations on the baby. | ||
| That's really exciting. | ||
| Well, listen, guys, it's been a great show. | ||
| We're going to go over our members-only segment as soon as we are done here for a spicy and interesting conversation. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| I'm Seamus Coglin, standing in for Tim. | ||
| And everyone, if you want to plug anything before we wrap, thanks for having me on the show. | ||
| If everybody wants to check out the Beyond Parody podcast as well, that's the podcast that we run. | ||
| That's kind of a marriage of not the be and the Babylon B. That's weekly on Fridays. | ||
| You can find it on YouTube and on Rumble. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Good evening, everybody. | ||
| Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode. | ||
| I hope you enjoyed the change up with Seamus at the helm for this time. | ||
| I am Elad Eliyahu. | ||
| I'm the White House correspondent here at Timcast. | ||
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| Hello, everybody. | ||
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| I'm the creator of Freedom Tunes. | ||
| We've done over 600 animated videos, over a million subscribers, over 290 million views, zero spent on marketing. | ||
| We need to fight back against the left, and you cannot win the culture war without making culture. | ||
| That's why we're making a full-length animated show. | ||
| We've already completed the pilot. | ||
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| I'm Seamus Coughlin, standing in for Tim Pool, and we're going to see you on the Members Only After segment. | ||
| Doing it live. | ||
|
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Dude, we're doing it live. | |
| Are we live? | ||
| Yeah, we're live right now. | ||
| So you guys will notice, I kicked Elot out. | ||
| I said, I'm sick and tired of you. | ||
| I don't want to argue with you. | ||
| You called him anti-Semitic slurs, too. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, Elot, exactly. | ||
| Eliot called me anti-Semitic slurs, so I kicked him out. | ||
| I was like, that's unacceptable. | ||
| You can't speak to me that way. | ||
| It's offensive. | ||
| So he's not going to be in the after show, but everybody else is. | ||
| How are we all doing tonight? | ||
| I'm doing great. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Good. | ||
| Good. | ||
| So we were having some intense arguments before we went off air there, before super chats. | ||
| And I think it'll be unnecessary, dude. | ||
| Like, you went off on him, bro. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, listen, I feel as if it was the right decision for me at the time, and I stand by it, even though in retrospect, it might not seem as if it was the right thing. | ||
| There was a not the be article that I pulled up while we were on air, but didn't get a chance to get to about how trans-identified males are to be banned from women's events at the Olympics. | ||
| How do you like, so how do you feel about trans misogyny? | ||
| Trans misogyny. | ||
| Yeah, like this, this, this hatred of trans women, no matter how much they just try to live their lives, and these bigots just tell them, no, no, you can't beat up a 90-pound woman in the ring. | ||
| Like, how do you feel about that? | ||
| The kind of hatred. | ||
| I mean, this entire concept of trans-identifying males, I don't even like this whole trans-identifying males thing that we put in the headline. | ||
| It's just dudes. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| You're trying to tell me that's a guy right now. | ||
| I mean, that guy, there's like a progression with that guy. | ||
| People are online defending this guy that set the world record or whatever for whatever. | ||
| For the guy who said it for women? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For women. | ||
| Yeah, the guy used to record. | ||
| Until Zubi broke it, I think. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| Like the progression. | ||
| And they're like, well, these people are born the way that they are. | ||
| And there's like pictures of him when he's like 25 years old. | ||
| And he's just a dude. | ||
| You know, it's like they aren't born that way. | ||
| And the fact that we even have this conversation is absolutely insane. | ||
| The funniest headline was the Daily Mail's headline. | ||
| Did we include it in the article or not? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not sure. | ||
| The Daily Mail's headline. | ||
| If you go up. | ||
| Yeah, is it up there? | ||
| I don't know if it is or not. | ||
| I don't know if I actually saw it. | ||
| The Daily Mail's headline was the funniest one because it's like after they decided to make this decision after new evidence suggests that men have an advantage over women in sports. | ||
| Dude, I love seeing these studies that come out every couple months where it's like it turns psychologists discover cutting off your penis makes you sad. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| We own you guys, bro. | ||
| No one who didn't already know that can be reasoned with on this issue. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| This is an issue that I can't even believe that we live in a world where it's a topic. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I have, I really struggle with feeling like I'm getting trolled my whole life with this stuff. | ||
| What if it was just a joke the whole time? | ||
| They were screwing with us. | ||
| I mean, maybe it started that way. | ||
| And then it's like the emperor wears new clothes type of thing. | ||
| Man, that'd be one hell of a punch to the shoulder, right? | ||
| Yeah, you're like, ah, you got me. | ||
| All those kids you mutilated. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| What a prank. | ||
| Like, sincerely, it is, like, it does really surprise me that we live in a world where there are people that not just entertain this, but for a time, really got upset at people who violently. | ||
| Yeah, but then they would literally try to argue. | ||
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And the science says that men don't have an advantage. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I get the stupidest thing. | ||
| I get the people that are quote unquote trans that think of themselves as trans. | ||
| I get the reaction that they have, right? | ||
| They're the ones that are living in a fantasy world. | ||
| So I understand an emotional reaction from them when you won't play along. | ||
| The thing that shocks me is when you get people that are not trans, that are just on the left, and they will get aggressive and they will have an emotional reaction when you say, yeah, he's just a guy. | ||
| They will get violent. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck is wrong with you, dude? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, again, even though I think they're crazy people, I understand when a crazy person gets reactive and emotional when you don't play along with their crazy worldview. | ||
| But when it's normal people, and it is normal people, it's most people on the left support transgender people because they have this toxic empathy where they're told that if they don't feel this specific way, then they're a bad person. | ||
| And I believe it. | ||
| Which is why, you know, I don't agree with everything that J.K. Rowling says, but I have agreed with almost everything that she said on this particular topic. | ||
| And I appreciate her a lot because she's actually willing to stand up for women in a true feminist way. | ||
| But feminism in the country, like you were referencing at the beginning, has become misogynistic in this weird way. | ||
| It's been flipped on its head. | ||
| I think J.K. Yeah. | ||
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Well, what? | |
| She is. | ||
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Would you say? | |
| Total turf. | ||
| Well, it's not a bad thing. | ||
| It's a good thing. | ||
| No, she's a turf. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I interrupted you. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| But feminism is misogynistic in so many ways. | ||
| What it does is it idealizes masculine traits. | ||
| It says, well, men work this job, so women have to do this job because those jobs are the good jobs, right? | ||
| It doesn't look at femininity and it doesn't look at being a mother. | ||
| It doesn't look at any of these things as valuable. | ||
| So feminism is misogyny. | ||
| Unless men do them. | ||
| Super valuable if a man does, which is hilarious. | ||
| But the only people who are allowed to be feminine are men, basically. | ||
| But this, the real red pill is that this goes all the way back. | ||
| I mean, to early first wave feminism with the Seneca Falls Convention and like demanding that women be allowed to be priests. | ||
| They've been devaluing womanhood since day one because they just hate that God made them a specific sex and has a specific plan for their life based on that. | ||
| They don't just get to choose for themselves. | ||
| But why does it have to be that way? | ||
| Why can't they just be separate but equal? | ||
| Why can't they just be separate but equal? | ||
| Because people rebel against their purpose. | ||
| And it goes all the way back to the fall, right? | ||
| Eve usurping and Adam basically allowing her to. | ||
| They're not after equal. | ||
| They're after sameness. | ||
| They want to be the ones who are the authoritarians in control. | ||
| They want to be the ones who are able to use the power against you. | ||
| There's the argument that the issue is never the issue. | ||
| The issue is always the revolution, which is exactly what you're talking about. | ||
| But the argument that they make, they say we want to be equal. | ||
| And they think that equal is synonymous with sameness. | ||
| And it's not. | ||
| Equality does not mean the same. | ||
| You can be completely different, have a different role in society, be a completely different entity, and still be treated equally. | ||
| But their desire is for sameness. | ||
| And they're not, those two things are not synonymous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And well, it's funny because when we're talking about the trans issue, we're saying, I can't believe that we're even having this conversation. | ||
| That's how anyone 60 years ago, 70 years ago, would have understand the conversation, would have understood the conversation surrounding feminism. | ||
| What do you mean men and women are the same? | ||
| How can we even entertain this? | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Well, we've just degraded further. | ||
| But the argument for sameness is new because they've always argued for equality. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the equality argument has supplanted. | ||
| But the equality argument was easier to make because the equality argument is more subjective. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is objective. | ||
| This is where feminism and like insanity meets reality right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is with men competing with women in sports and then somebody saying that there's no advantage that men have over women in sports. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's where the insanity ensues. | ||
| I just, and also, this is probably where we disagree. | ||
| I think that they were always smuggling sameness in when they said equality. | ||
| I think obviously the sexes are equal in dignity and there's no argument that one sex is superior girl smell. | ||
| They're not allowed, whatever. | ||
| The argument is that men and women are different, even though they are equal. | ||
| And I think a lot of people started using the term equality to smuggle in this idea that they're even all even really early on. | ||
| Like I was mentioning in the Seneca Falls Convention, a lot of that stuff was women need to be able to be priests. | ||
| And basically women need to be able to fill the same roles that men fill. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And I think that that was only a select few. | ||
| So the way that the you know who James Lindsay is, right? | ||
| And you're at least. | ||
| I'm familiar with it. | ||
| Okay, so you're familiar with his arguments. | ||
| One of the arguments that he makes is on the left, there are people that are the idea makers, right? | ||
| The people that write the crazy feminist literature and the leftist literature, the leftist philosophers, right? | ||
| The actual thinkers. | ||
| And then there's a second kind of ring, and they're the people that are the scholars. | ||
| They're the people that will pass that knowledge down. | ||
| And then there's another ring outside of that, which is just the general kind of population, which is this is where Tim talks about like the woke. | ||
| He says that it's the, he calls it the cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy. | ||
| What he's saying is the all the totality of your average person that isn't a philosopher, isn't an academic, isn't someone that's really coming up with these ideas. | ||
| He's talking, when he says woke, he's talking about the general population. | ||
| And so I think that for a long time, there were people that the argument that you're making, you were correct, but that was only the top tier. | ||
| Oh, no, disagreement. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's the, I think the leaders of the movement were always pushing for that. | ||
| And they know if they could get people to accept the broader arguments at a basic level, it would be easier to lead them in that direction. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I don't think the early, like the normie early adopters were on the same page. | ||
| But all right, Elod, you're back after Elod cussed me out and said those horrible things to me and stormed out and threw a book at me, threw a brick at me. | ||
| Don't make me get the potatoes. | ||
| There's something you wanted to ask me. | ||
| Why don't you ask me before we go to callers? | ||
| So we were talking about kids and families a bit earlier, and I wanted to follow up on something me and Phil were talking about in the pre-show. | ||
| And that's, do you notice when parents, they either choose to or choose not to post the pictures of their children online? | ||
| And sometimes they put an emoji face over their children's face because they don't want it to get out to the public. | ||
| What's your take? | ||
| Yeah, like if I'm an influential person, if I had or if I had or would have children, I think the internet would not even know and would never mention it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that you wouldn't confirm nor deny. | ||
| No, there's too many, there's too many crazy people out there, man. | ||
| There's too many crazy people out there. | ||
| I'm also, I think, a more private person than most, which is ironic considering what I do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I took a picture of him one time. | ||
| I was like, no, yeah, we were like somewhere. | ||
| I was like, I don't. | ||
| Don't put it on the internet, brother. | ||
| I'm like, bro. | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| I yelled at him. | ||
| I grabbed his phone and I threw a brick at him. | ||
| But no, I just don't. | ||
| I also, there's one difficult thing with doing this. | ||
| Whenever you're with a group of people and people have their phones out and they're recording stuff, it's like, man, I don't always want to have to be like aware of the presence of a camera. | ||
| But with respect to respect to Children and everything, yeah, I would be um very apprehensive because some people, then there's some people who like will post you know footage of their kids all over the internet. | ||
| And I think normies with a regular social media account who like aren't trying to be influencers or anything are less aware of it because there's less crazy people in their life, but there's still the danger for them. | ||
| So I just advise people, like, I wouldn't put anything involving children online. | ||
| I think a lot and I were talking about this earlier. | ||
| Like, because of the fact that I was you know a public figure before I started doing political commentary and stuff because of the band and stuff, like it was always a thing for me. | ||
| I was like, if I ever have kids, there's not going to be pictures of them on the internet. | ||
| I never put up pictures of my nephews on the internet. | ||
| Like, they were, you know, I've got two nephews who are both late teens now, or one of them's adults actually. | ||
| But, but yeah, I never put up pictures of them just because I didn't want you know, Uncle Phil being the public figure, the guy in the band, to in any way negatively affect them. | ||
| How old were you when you became famous? | ||
| Um, we, I was actually kind of old, like we really kind of hit, and I was third, like 31 is when the record, the record that put us on the map came out when I was 31. | ||
| So, like, it was 31, 32, 33 when I was like really get hitting my stride. | ||
| Whereas a lot of times, people that are in bands, they like they'll hit at like 19, 20, 21, 20, in early 20s, or something like that. | ||
| Most of the guys that are in or that were in all the remains at the time, like most of them were younger and they were like, you know, 25 or something like that. | ||
| So, um, but yeah, so let's let's go to some callers because I want people to be able to get their opinion in. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Um, let's see here. | ||
| Uh, I'm gonna ask, uh, let me go to this channel here. | ||
| I'm gonna ask Quani, have you eaten yet, Quani? | ||
| Quani 23. | ||
| I think I recognize this person, Quani. | ||
| What up? | ||
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Hey, can you hear me? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you eaten yet, bro? | ||
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Yes. | |
| So have I eaten it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| My breakfast, yes. | ||
| Nice, cool. | ||
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So as a quality person, my favorite IRL guest host is posting today. | |
| And I'm really sincerely Seamus. | ||
| And I used to explore all these ungrateful team pass super chatters who have been telling things about the spoon stuff. | ||
| So Seamus, I got your back on this, right? | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| Yeah, no, I didn't do anything with the spoons, and you know me, and you know, I wouldn't do that. | ||
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Yeah, for all the good, for all the good that you have done for Tim Class, I think you deserve every single spoon that you have taken. | |
| Every single one of them. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| I've never taken one and I never would. | ||
| And that's in you know me, and you know I would never do that. | ||
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Okay, but on a more serious note actually, I'm asking about in particular about your faith or Catholicism. | |
| With regards to the Pope, I'm a Protestant and looks from an outsider looking is it does seem like the current Pope isn't going to use much, but rather it's going to be very similar to the progressive rhetoric that some of the previous shows were supporting. | ||
| So a hypothetical situation for you, if possible, if there is something that the Pope says in the future, then maybe something that you are very much against. | ||
| Let's say, for example, if he starts to support homosexual marriages, how would you, as a Catholic, without Catholic, respond to it? | ||
| Would you say, for example, say that because he's a Pope and he said this, you have to agree with him? | ||
| Would you be rather that even though he's a Pope, you would disagree with him or stay within the faith? | ||
| Or would you say that because it's something that you disagree with and then you have to leave the faith? | ||
| So let me just repeat your question to make sure I'm understanding it properly. | ||
| You're asking the question, if a pope were to come along and state something ex catharja that contradicted previous Catholic teaching, would a Catholic have to accept it? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Is that an accurate summary of your question? | ||
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Speak for yourself as a devout Catholic. | |
| Yeah, specifically. | ||
| So, well, this is the good news. | ||
| As Catholics, we believe that the Holy Spirit guides the church. | ||
| Christ said that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. | ||
| No papal, no infallible statement has ever contradicted a past infallible statement, and in fact, they can't. | ||
| So the Pope can issue theological opinions or speak on things in ways which conflict with or don't agree with what previous popes have said. | ||
| But when they issue an ex cathargist statement, which actually defines magisterial teaching, which is very rare, they don't often do this. | ||
| In that case, they actually, they literally cannot contradict a previous statement. | ||
| So when it comes to something like homosexual marriage, it wouldn't be possible for a Pope to come out and say two men are capable of being married for a few reasons. | ||
| A, the one I listed, which is that they can't contradict prior teaching, but B, because that's not a matter for church determination. | ||
| That's a matter of natural law, which is to say marriage pre-exists the church. | ||
| Marriage existed before the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church has no power to redefine it. | ||
| This is why a lot of people are confused about the issue because they'll say, how can you as a Catholic decide that your religion gets to determine what marriage is? | ||
| But the irony is the reason the church understands marriages between a man and a woman is because we can't redefine marriage. | ||
| It's always meant what it's meant. | ||
| So hopefully that answers your question. |
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