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Trump Calls For NUCLEAR OPTION, END Filibuster Over Food Stamp Crisis | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Donald Trump is calling on the GOP to end the filibuster so that way they can reopen the government and save everyone's snap benefits.
There's been concerns about food riots.
Democrats are blaming Republicans, Republicans, Democrats.
And of course, Trump has said he's going to get it done.
Now, some people believe that there would be some emergency move made.
By the time of recording this, we haven't seen that happen.
But Trump is saying, nuke the filibuster.
And then what we're going to be able to do is get these judges in.
Democrats want to do it.
Why don't we do it now?
I got to say, I don't completely disagree.
So we'll talk about that.
We have some other funny stories.
Polymarket actually has a market where you can predict whether or not Trump will say, quote, the N-word.
It's not a joke.
But I don't think they mean the N-word, even though they wrote it that way.
I think Trump has to say the phrase N-word because he does when he talks about nuclear.
And the DOJ is investigating Black Lives Matter for fraud.
How fun.
We'll talk about that.
Plus, there's a really funny story with this Democrat congresswoman who's facing federal indictment.
She rage quit an interview when shown a video of her apparently committing crimes against federal officers.
So that's a problem.
I'd have to admit, she's probably worried about.
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seamus coughlin
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unidentified
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ian crossland
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Joining us tonight to talk about this, and so much more is Roger Simon.
roger l simon
Hey, great to be here.
I got to tell you that.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
roger l simon
I'm a writer from so long I'm almost bored with it.
No, I really love to do it.
I started writing when I was about 15, and I'm now 409.
tim pool
400.
So you've seen it all.
seamus coughlin
Why didn't you do anything to stop slavery?
You saw what happened to those Indians and you didn't do anything.
You didn't write that?
roger l simon
We're near Harper's Ferry here.
I was there for that.
ian crossland
What are like the top?
seamus coughlin
Very evil.
tim pool
He's actually the guy who alerted the feds on the train.
seamus coughlin
No, the right ants would have been like, that's all made up.
I was there.
I saw none of that happen.
It's liberal nonsense.
tim pool
There's no slavery.
ian crossland
What were some of the big things you wrote over the years, like the top seven?
roger l simon
Well, you know, way back the big fix with Richard Dreyfus.
And then I had my Oscar nomination for Enemies of Love Story with Angelica Houston.
I wrote a bunch of novels, including that one which Richard was in about the Detective Moses wine.
That's when I was a lefty.
And then I became a righty and I got kicked out of Hollywood.
Recently or with no, I became a righty probably on that day the planes hit the yeah.
I mean, that did it for me.
I realized that there were people out there who wanted to kill us.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, it's going to be fun.
roger l simon
There wasn't, it didn't take too much to figure it out.
tim pool
Yeah.
Should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Ian, did you introduce yourself already?
unidentified
Not yet.
ian crossland
But I am at Ian Crossland.
You can find me there.
Follow me at Ian Crossland on TwitterX, YouTube, Instagram, Seamus Coughlin in the House.
seamus coughlin
Seamus Coglin.
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We've done over 600 animated videos.
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The left currently owns all avenues for entertainment.
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Give me your support at twistedplots.com.
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tim pool
That was really powerful, Seamus.
But it's ruined by the fact that there are two spoons sitting right behind you on that windowsill.
Who are you?
seamus coughlin
Those aren't mine.
I didn't touch them.
tim pool
Yes, you're correct.
They're not yours.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I put them there.
All right.
Here's the story from Fox News.
Trump urges GOP to end the shutdown by going nuclear on Senate filibuster.
Get rid of the filibuster and get rid of it now, Trump said.
Trump urged Republicans to end the filibuster in order to end the month-long government shutdown.
In a late-night truth social post, Trump noted that Democrats had tried to eliminate the Senate procedure when they had control of both chambers of Congress and the White House during the Biden administration.
But then Senators Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema, both of whom have since let the Democratic Party become independents, helped block the effort.
Trump revived talk of the nuclear option after returning from his Asia trip this week.
Quote, the one question that kept coming up, however, was how did the Democrats shut down the United States of America and why did the powerful Republicans allow them to do it?
Trump wrote.
The fact is, in Flying Back, I thought a great deal about that question.
Why?
Now, he's going to say that they've got Trump derangement syndrome and all that.
There were some theories that Trump would come out at the very last minute because Snap has expired and it's not going to happen tomorrow.
He'd come out and say, I am your magnanimous leader and I have found the money for your food stamps.
But it's looking like now the strategy may be, hey, they won't reopen government.
We have no choice.
End the filibuster.
And if he does, I say pack the courts, four more Supreme Court justices appointed by Donald Trump, and then we can make greater Idaho and the state of Jefferson things so we'll get four more senators.
What say you, Pat?
ian crossland
I think we need 11 more or 12 more judges, personally.
We need a big one.
tim pool
Absolutely right.
Trump should appoint them all.
I don't know about that.
roger l simon
Are you looking for a job?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'll do it.
ian crossland
I'm open.
Like putting it all in the hands of nine people.
What were you going to say, Roger?
roger l simon
I wouldn't mind being on the Supreme Court.
ian crossland
You'd be good at it.
tim pool
Well, I mean, the since they brought on Kataji Brown Jackson, the bar could not be lower.
In fact, it's underground.
ian crossland
So they want to end the idea of the filibuster, like the ability for the Senate to filibuster at all.
They want to make sure it's illegal.
tim pool
No, you can still filibuster.
Here's the way it works.
Normally to filibuster, you stand up and you talk for 20 hours.
They passed a rule saying, okay, that's a waste of our time.
So how about if you filibuster, if you want to filibuster, it's just 60 votes to pass a bill.
But this is stupid because you're never going to get 60 votes.
So the Democrats will always filibuster.
But you only need a 50, you need a simple majority to change the Senate rules.
The Republicans could literally go all in favor of no filibuster.
Aye.
Okay, all in favor of opening government.
Aye.
Done.
ian crossland
No filibuster.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
And the concern is if we do that, then Democrats get in next time and they'll do stuff to us.
And I'm like, you are correct.
They'll do stuff to you.
They'll put you in prison.
Pay attention.
roger l simon
So what do you guys think of the SNAP program, though?
I mean, 45 million people or how many people?
tim pool
42 million.
roger l simon
Yeah.
tim pool
Got to go.
roger l simon
17 million like last week.
ian crossland
I thought it should be more like WIC, which is women, infant, and children.
You get like bread, eggs, meat, cheese, basic commodities that actually heal the brain.
Something that's healthy, because if you give people nutrition, then they get creative over time and their kids can actually solve problems.
roger l simon
A few years ago, there was a guy on fire.
He was like Spiccoli, you know, in Fast Times.
He was like this blonde surfer guy who came in and he used the money all to get lobster tails.
That's all he wanted for.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I got to be honest.
You know, yeah, that's kind of bad, but there were people buying candy bars and soda pop, and lobster tail is like legit protein right now.
seamus coughlin
And that's hilarious.
Royal food.
I will not eat the bugs and buys lobster.
tim pool
But one of the things.
Hold on.
If the bugs are underwater, it's totally fine.
unidentified
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
They're totally fine.
But this is one of the things that's hilarious is the left continually like pushes to make life worse for the average person.
So they'll be like, oh my gosh, I'm soy facing over this new like ground up bug protein.
We're going to feed people.
Everyone should have this.
It's good for the environment.
And then you're like, maybe Snap shouldn't like pay for junk food.
And they're, you wanted to humanize the poor by not letting them buy Coca-Cola and Twinkies on EBT?
And it's like, hold on a second.
Why are you okay doing awful things to me?
But I can't even be like slightly concerned with where my tax money's going.
tim pool
Jameis, let me tell you the legends of EBT, okay?
You know what we used to eat in my neighborhood?
The kids would make something they would call happy.
It's where you took a Kool-Aid pack and a cup of sugar and put it in a bag and shook it up and then just ate it.
It was called happy.
And that's just people would make it.
seamus coughlin
It sounds like a drug name.
tim pool
It sounds like when people would make Kool-Aid, you'd buy the Kool-Aid pack for like 15 cents, and then you're supposed to put one cup of sugar in the water and mix it up.
Nah, it'd be like three or four cups.
It would be like drinking syrup.
And I was not a fan.
That is what you need EBT for, diabetes.
seamus coughlin
And this is the other thing.
I think we've talked about this a little bit, but on top of, again, the program being widely abused, obviously there's some people who need it.
I think we all agree on that.
There's some people we don't want to take it from, but it is being abused.
And then when people become extremely obese because of the food that they're buying on EBT, we end up having to pay for their medical bills as well.
People don't even realize how much that costs.
ian crossland
Also, it disincentivizes people to get work.
I was actually on EBT for a short period of time, and I knew that as soon as I got a job, I would lose it.
And I'm like, okay, if I'm making $450 a week on unemployment and I was like at $150 a month on food stamps, as soon as I get a job, I'm getting $700 a week.
I'm just, instead of my $700 a week from unemployment and food stamps, now I'm working 40 hours a week to make the same amount of money or less.
How would I get a job?
Yeah, or less.
And I was getting taxed on my unemployment, but I'm already getting taxed to pay for employment.
Then when I get my insurance payout, they tax my insurance payout.
So you got to remove that incentive.
And actually, when they get the job, they get food bonus.
tim pool
Let's talk about packing the courts, though.
roger l simon
Yeah, how many people are like you right now?
I mean, that whole thing of the 42 million could be hash.
tim pool
Yeah.
roger l simon
I mean, it's like it's a major scam.
tim pool
But think about what we could do if we end the filibuster beyond just these programs.
I mean, the Republicans would just do literally whatever they wanted.
Or, you know, I think Trump is right because the reason I think Republicans don't want to get rid of the filibuster is because it would force them to do things they claim to want to do.
roger l simon
Exactly.
tim pool
Obamacare should be repealed.
We have the majority now, and they won't do it.
roger l simon
Yeah, they won't do it.
And you're exactly right why?
Because it's all about it.
They don't want to be unmasked.
They just want to say stuff and hide.
ian crossland
So right now, the filibuster.
I'm trying to wrap my head around it because the filibuster I always thought was the guy who stood there for 20 hours.
Now you're saying there's a new way that they do it?
tim pool
It's not new.
It's very old.
Basically, people in the Senate were like, I don't want to sit here and listen to you talk for 20 hours.
Let's just do a 60-vote thing instead.
So they basically said, if you're going to filibuster, it's just a 60-vote threshold instead.
ian crossland
Oh, so no one has to make their claim.
They just got to go.
tim pool
If they get rid of the filibuster, then they can change the rules to whatever they want them to be with a simple majority.
I think the Senate is the worst thing imaginable.
And I remember now when these leftists were saying abolish the Senate, and we were all like, no, are you crazy?
Now I'm like, actually.
ian crossland
The only problem is mob rule.
So you need a group of something that can prevent psychopaths.
tim pool
Until the 17th.
ian crossland
And just let the governors appoint senators again.
tim pool
State legislatures, but yeah.
ian crossland
State legislatures.
roger l simon
That's what it was.
Then we wouldn't have Corey Booker.
tim pool
He would have found a way.
roger l simon
He's the filibuster guy of all time.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, he did.
Yeah, he went up there and he talked for 27 years and he broke a record or something.
ian crossland
It shouldn't be a popularity.
It shouldn't be a, like, I don't, we were talking last night about this too, that they shouldn't be getting, I don't think they should be getting paid.
They should be working from home.
They shouldn't have to go in unless the power goes out.
tim pool
They're not getting paid.
ian crossland
Senators, they don't have enough salary.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they're not getting paid.
They're going to get paid when the government turns back on.
ian crossland
Oh, I just mean in life.
You serve in that role should not be a paying position.
That should be like a service you do.
Maybe like a stipend.
tim pool
And the end result is only the ultra-wealthy will be in the Senate because how else do you feed your family when you have to work full-time?
seamus coughlin
Well, listen, Tim, I think we should do things the old-fashioned way, and they should make their living not off of tax dollars, but good old-fashioned bribes.
ian crossland
Maybe it's right.
Maybe having people in that role is no good.
We need AI as the senators now.
tim pool
Maybe we should just put the robots in charge of ourselves.
ian crossland
We have lots of robots that can tell us.
tim pool
That couldn't possibly go wrong.
ian crossland
We need a way to stop the mob, the democracy, from one day a video is on YouTube that sparks rage in 43 million people and then they say, we vote for drastic shift.
And the Senate's like, no, you can't do that.
We veto it.
So we need a source of the ability to veto.
I just don't know there has to be 100 people.
tim pool
Well, the issue I think with the Senate, I think the Senate's fantastic.
It's supposed to represent state interests, but the moves of the Uniparty have consistently been to erode the states as political entities within the country.
That's right.
They want this country not to be of states, but a singular nation under the federal government.
And, you know, the sad reality is everything Democrats and Trump are doing are pushing us in that direction.
Where if 10 years ago you said if Donald Trump gets elected, he's going to create a federalized police force.
He's not getting elected.
People would be like, yo, dude, that's crazy.
Now Trump is like, I have no choice but to send ICE and DHS to deal with this crime, and everyone's cheering for it.
Except for the Democrats, well, they'll complain about anything if Trump does it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
How long are you guys comfortable with this all going on with the ICE?
Like, just in life?
Like, how long is that?
seamus coughlin
Until every single one of them is gone.
So, like, including every illegal is out of the country.
roger l simon
I'm with you 100%.
seamus coughlin
So, like, get rid of it.
ian crossland
You would live in a permanent state of federal police in cities?
seamus coughlin
Oh, no, just no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on.
tim pool
What if it goes on for 100 years?
Ian, the federal police are already in every place.
No, not vaguely literally.
ian crossland
National Guard.
Not National Guard.
That was a big deal.
tim pool
Where do you think National Guard live?
ian crossland
Oh, I mean, just they're not serving on the street, like on patrol in anywhere other than D.C. They're not supposed to be anyway.
tim pool
Not necessarily, but National Guardsmen and women live where they are.
seamus coughlin
And children.
National Guard's children is also.
tim pool
That's right.
The National Guard's children.
That should never happen.
seamus coughlin
Just have child soldiers out there.
ian crossland
Because I'm down for gangbangers.
I think that the dangerous, you know, mass immigration, you could completely obliterate liberalism in our country with the wrong amount of people.
But like, hold on.
Maybe mass immigration is good.
I don't know.
Where like the police are ability to like go into people's houses and businesses and ground rap, drag people out because they suspect them of being a foreigner.
tim pool
That's a post exaggeration of what's happening.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't think like you should just be able to go in anyone's house and drag them out because you suspect that they're an illegal.
But I think you should be able to deport any legal.
They know the person who's not.
tim pool
Maybe if they look like they're illegal.
unidentified
If they look illegal, you're looking a little bit illegal over there.
ian crossland
Factories, if they go into a factory and round up a bunch of employees that are here illegally.
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
ian crossland
How long would you be comfortable living in a world where that federal government forever?
tim pool
And I want every single factory with large numbers of illegal immigrants working there to get raided the momentum.
ian crossland
But what if it goes beyond immigrants?
It's just other illegal things.
tim pool
You're talking about a totally different solution.
ian crossland
You're talking about the revolution of totalitarianism.
tim pool
No, you're not.
seamus coughlin
You mean if there were people in the country who arrested you when you broke the law?
tim pool
Heavens, help us.
ian crossland
And then what if the laws get changed?
seamus coughlin
That was always subject to happen.
tim pool
And the laws did change.
ian crossland
And they might again.
tim pool
And guess what, Ian?
It's illegal to put a pie on your windowsill in Boston on Tuesdays and nobody's going to arrest you.
ian crossland
How long are you okay looking to the other side while the federal cops go in and do the brutal thing to solve the crime?
seamus coughlin
I don't know that it's brutal.
tim pool
I don't think that's the problem.
You're not even asking as a metaphor.
Bad thing happens.
Are you serious?
How long?
roger l simon
You know, the whole thing about it.
seamus coughlin
It should not take so much.
roger l simon
What brutal crimes are they doing?
ian crossland
What's dragging people?
Grabbing people.
tim pool
That's not illegal.
ian crossland
Pulling people.
I mean, it's just.
No, it's not what?
tim pool
It's not illegal.
ian crossland
No, it's brutal.
tim pool
Why is that brutal?
ian crossland
It's just force, physical grabbing.
roger l simon
That's not brutal.
The people that are grabbing, though, are not cooperating at all.
ian crossland
That's the argument.
roger l simon
What are they supposed to do?
ian crossland
It's not like it's like.
roger l simon
Let them not cooperate.
ian crossland
Brew.
tim pool
Brutal is defined as savagely violent.
seamus coughlin
They're not like hoarding them into Iron Maidens, right?
They're like taking them and sending them back to the country.
ian crossland
Nothing laughs.
tim pool
Let me try this.
I want to explain to people the brutality.
Someone breaks into your house and you respond by going, ooh, I'm going to give you a ride home.
seamus coughlin
Darn it.
tim pool
Oh, no, you're so brutal.
You're giving them a ride.
We put them on a plane and fly them back.
We're not even loading up trains and having them go the long way.
roger l simon
And they're giving you the money as they've got.
unidentified
That's right.
seamus coughlin
I know.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
They offered $1,000 to people to go home.
Okay, watch this.
Watch this.
Ian, how savagely brutal.
A guy breaks in your house and you go, wait, I'll give you $1,000 to leave.
He's like, that's what I'm here for.
I was here to take your thousand dollars.
ian crossland
So I guess relatively brutal.
roger l simon
It's like that old television show.
seamus coughlin
Tim, here's what we have to do.
We have to start a new tech company where we make an app to make robberies easier, where someone breaks in and then you just, you, you give them a thousand dollars room on the left.
And then they go.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.
Yes, but it should be like the Uber of robberies where everyone downloads the app and then if you're a robber, you send a notification you want them to rob them, then they Venmo you and you don't.
ian crossland
Extortion, but Scort Town or something like that.
tim pool
And like Ian's Ian's world.
seamus coughlin
they have a deal with all the smart lock companies where it tells the the robber like which doors are unlocked and stuff no no no no they're unlocked for you 12 doors unlocked yeah exactly just unlocked and it's like don't hurt anybody every night So I will say this: there are factories where there are illegal immigrants working, and they should be raided.
tim pool
And ICE and DHS CBP, whatever, should go in and say, gentlemen and ladies, you are hereby arrested for being illegal and we're sending you home.
ian crossland
Do you think they should have been raided like nine years ago?
tim pool
They should have been raided the moment anybody knew they were doing it.
seamus coughlin
Shouldn't have even been let in.
roger l simon
Which is probably much more than nine years ago.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
ian crossland
It's like 20 years ago in LA, I worked with illegal immigrants.
roger l simon
Oh, listen, I'll tell you something.
I hired them a lot of times.
Sorry, but it's true.
And, you know, and the truth is, everybody did.
And then there were a whole kind of methods where they hid it.
You know, there was a service that came to your house and said, well, our service will hire the illegal aliens for you.
But they didn't tell you that.
But that's what it was.
tim pool
And then you would hire a company.
roger l simon
Hire a company.
seamus coughlin
Wow, so it was like a shield company so that you wouldn't get in trouble, basically.
Is that no one?
unidentified
Yeah.
roger l simon
Or so, so you didn't have a guilty conscience.
unidentified
You feel like you should have a guilty conscience and you do that.
ian crossland
You guys have been busting up that ring back in the day when we were all working with doing the illegal thing.
Like it would have obliterated the economy.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
This is from time.com.
The Trump admin is slashing the number of refugees allowed into the U.S. and giving white South Africans priority.
seamus coughlin
Oh, no.
tim pool
Apparently, the number is going to be 7,500 refugees will be allowed in 2026, a 94% decrease from 125,000 set by Joe Biden.
And he's going to give priority to primarily be allocating among Afrikaners from South Africa.
I say, yes.
Excellent.
unidentified
There you go.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, of course.
roger l simon
These people are on caveat to that.
We better have a lot of babies of our own.
tim pool
That's true.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
That's right.
roger l simon
If we don't, boy, we're in trouble.
seamus coughlin
You're done, Ian.
roger l simon
Yeah.
Every page program.
seamus coughlin
This is the crazy thing: I saw one who will not be named because I don't want to give him any engagement who tweeted about this.
Well, so this is just racism.
I'm like, hold on.
It's not racism when the majority of refugees are non-white, but then when the majority of refugees are white, now that's bad.
Now that's racist.
Well, then what does racism mean in that sentence?
tim pool
Bad means bad thing.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it means bad thing.
And anything good that is good for any white person is a bad thing.
tim pool
Did you make the bad thing cartoon?
seamus coughlin
I did, yeah.
roger l simon
You want bed thing?
You want bad thing?
tim pool
No, I don't.
Yes, bad thing.
ian crossland
I guess you could say that like when that Venezuelan gang took over the hotel or the in Colorado, that the people around were actually, where was it?
The apartments.
They were kind of seeking refuge from the Venezuelan gang.
So it's as if our own citizens are in refuge from the just made a great point.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, not about that.
When Trende Iraqo came to the United States, the first thing Trump should have done was kicked out every Venezuelan refugee because they're like, I'm afraid that the Venezuelan gangs will kill me.
I got bad news for you.
They're here too.
ian crossland
So you got to go.
tim pool
That's the play.
Instead, Trump was like, we'll get rid of them for you.
No, no, no.
Trump would.
seamus coughlin
No, I love how the Democrats are like, we have to let them stay because they're fleeing from the bad people in their country.
Also, we have to let in all the bad people from their country.
tim pool
Is this Mark Simpson again?
seamus coughlin
No, I just lost my voice.
unidentified
Comer, we have to let all the refugees in, Omer.
seamus coughlin
Do you remember that episode?
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
Trende Aragua took over an apartment building in Springfield.
tim pool
Bart joins Trende Aragua.
unidentified
Homer Bart joined Trende Araqua.
roger l simon
Isn't Trende Aragua old news now?
Isn't it?
This is Soulless something.
What are they called?
unidentified
Who?
ian crossland
I haven't heard of them yet.
seamus coughlin
The Solus Scriptura.
It's a Protestant gang that goes around and takes over apartments and buildings.
tim pool
Sinaloa, you mean the cartels?
roger l simon
Yeah, there's a new one.
tim pool
Well, there's a bunch of different ones.
roger l simon
Yeah.
tim pool
Sinaloa cartel is a business.
roger l simon
Well, that's Mexico.
tim pool
Yeah.
roger l simon
Yeah.
But no, no, this is Venezuelans.
Something soulless.
tim pool
Oh, man.
roger l simon
I don't know.
I just got to go with these things, man.
tim pool
You got to go.
Everyone's got to go.
I think they deported a white guy and the left didn't care.
seamus coughlin
No, of course not.
They want that.
They're like, oh, good.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the whole thing.
seamus coughlin
They didn't even know if he was a citizen or not.
tim pool
He was a cop, too.
seamus coughlin
He was a white cop.
Dude, they would love that.
They're like, like a white cop, that's their least favorite kind of person.
They're like, good, send him back.
ian crossland
Get rid of him.
I guess you do.
So this is a test of liberalism that I can find or not.
It's getting bombarded by first the internet and all the new ideas and now the immigration and all the new people.
It's like, how do we, how does liberalism deal with the bombardment with the penultimate?
Like we're facing, are we going to become communist technocracy?
roger l simon
They all move to New York.
tim pool
I think liberalism has been disproven at this point.
So the issue with classical liberalism is that it works when you have a moral and virtuous people that are also willing to be brutal when the time comes.
Within the borders of your society, you can embrace traditional or classical liberal values.
But the moment you are unwilling to defend your borders and enforce your laws, liberalism fails.
And that's why I say liberal is disproven.
Not that it's an impossibility, it's short-lived.
It can only last so long until a people become amoral and lacking virtue.
And then they just say, like, this is what happens with the Christian conservatives in the United States.
Let me go back and put it this way.
Mary was talking about repealing the 19th yesterday because women vote poorly.
And I said, how are women able to vote?
And then she's like, well, the point is because men allowed them to.
There was a point where men said you can't vote.
And then men said, okay, you can.
And now they vote.
And now you're mad about it.
Well, it's the same thing with Christian conservatives.
How did the United States go from being a dominant Christian conservative nation to whatever the heck is going on right now?
The conservatives stood back and said, you do you.
ian crossland
It was basically the radio.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
ian crossland
Once the radio appeared, liberalism started getting splattered with all these new ideas and then TV.
tim pool
Conservatives embraced classical liberalism in the sense of live and let live.
You do your thing.
seamus coughlin
That's exactly right.
Instead, big part of the problem.
And not just classical liberalism, but a post-war DLC that got added to liberalism, which was like, actually, porn is free speech.
And like, actually, obscenity is free speech, which were not things classical liberals initially thought.
tim pool
Let me ask James, do you think that the conquistadors are in heaven?
seamus coughlin
Some great number of them, sure.
I can't claim to know anyone's eternal destiny, but I don't know.
tim pool
What do you mean you can't?
Don't you know everything?
No, I don't know.
seamus coughlin
I don't know everything.
tim pool
Don't you know the eternal destiny of historical figures?
seamus coughlin
I know.
Believe it or not, I don't know.
But listen, I'm sure some of the conquistadors did do bad things.
I'm also sure that by and large they were good men who were preventing a child sacrifice empire from slaughtering infants.
tim pool
The reason I bring this up is that I mentioned this the other night.
There was this, I can't remember what cartoon it was, but it was back when, I forgot how they phrased it.
They said, going back to a time when men went to heaven for doing substantially worse things than anyone could do today.
And it was an interesting point because it was like, you go back to the conquistadors, like Cortez and them, and they see the Aztecs and they were like, they're sacrificing children, doing these bad things.
We got to stop them.
Those men all believed they were going to heaven.
seamus coughlin
Well, and stopping people from sacrificing children is a good noble thing to do.
tim pool
My point is, no one today could justify if the United States, well, I shouldn't say no one could justify, but the people of this country would not tolerate the U.S. getting a bunch of troops and going on a crusade.
roger l simon
But it's like, oh, they wouldn't tolerate the U.S. going to the Sudan.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
seamus coughlin
It's a little bit different.
roger l simon
What's going on in Sudan is pretty much similar to the...
tim pool
No, no, no, but hold on.
They're genociding Christians in, where is it, Nigeria?
seamus coughlin
No, I know.
Listen, no, I know.
And I care.
tim pool
And it would be an impossibility to mount a force to go and stop that from happening in the United States.
seamus coughlin
You're probably right about that.
I do think one key difference, though, is when they went over and they found the new world and they sent people over to colonize it, more or less, the initial argument was like, we're going to try to first, well, obviously Columbus was trying to find a trade route and then discovered the land, but they were sending men over.
And I don't think initially the thought was like, because again, they didn't even know what they were going to find.
So initially the thought wasn't, we're going to stop these bad people from doing this.
They stumbled upon it.
They're like, what?
And when there's first-hand accounts from the men who saw this and they're like, yeah, we met these people and then they brought us through their city and we literally like thought it was painted red and then we realized it was blood.
tim pool
But my point is this.
Our troops in the Middle East are under these constraints and international laws about when they can or cannot engage.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
tim pool
That the extremists were not, they did not operate under this under these rules.
So they'd be willing to blow up children.
Same thing is true for Vietnam.
seamus coughlin
Same thing happened in World War II with Japanese, with Japanese fighters, is they would like strap bombs to babies and stuff and hand babies to American soldiers, take my baby, save my baby, and the baby would detonate.
tim pool
My point is this.
The beliefs of what was tolerable and heavenworthy hundreds of years ago is a lot more brutal than today.
roger l simon
Oh, yeah.
The constraints today are terrible.
tim pool
I'm saying this.
I'm jokingly saying that the conservative movement in the United States is the second most liberal human civilization next only to the left.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
I completely agree.
unidentified
I'm joking, though, because that's a victory of the left.
tim pool
But Sweden exists.
That's why I'm jokingly saying this because obviously there are other left-wing Western factions.
But American conservatives are – let me just put it this way.
If – If the United States was magically just transposed a thousand years ago before, like, let's just say a thousand years ago, America was overwritten by America today.
The civilizations that existed at the time would look at us like a bunch of dainty little elves dancing through fields of flowers.
They'd be like, what do you mean you don't slit the throats of anyone?
seamus coughlin
Much fatter.
Much fatter.
Dainty elves like rolling through the fields.
tim pool
To be fair, we have guns, so we don't have much to worry about from thousand-year-old people.
My point is, if you took an American today, American conservative, and put him in an arena with a random guy from Europe a thousand years ago, the European guy would be like, how many people have you flayed in your life?
roger l simon
And then, well, how about the Israelis not killing all the terrorists that they locked up in prison?
Every one of those guys.
seamus coughlin
They would have a medieval version of it in the podcast.
unidentified
If they would have been body couch, but it's the number killed instantly.
tim pool
If Israel, the Israel-Palestine thing was happening a thousand years ago, the joke is that it was.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
roger l simon
Well, it was happening.
tim pool
And what did Islam do?
It conquered everything in the Middle East and North Africa and just massacred people and genocide, was genociding Christians in Spain.
ian crossland
It was really the caliphate.
Islam, I don't like to blame Islam for it.
The caliphate was like the government that twisted Islam and used it.
seamus coughlin
I respectfully disagree with the people.
unidentified
Hadith Muhammad was always a warrior.
ian crossland
He wasn't really a murderer.
He's a warrior.
seamus coughlin
Well, hold on.
I'm surprised that you say that.
Where do you draw the line between a warrior and a murderer?
ian crossland
He was fighting for his life with his people.
seamus coughlin
But he was waging offensive wars.
tim pool
No, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Sorry, I like Ian's idea.
roger l simon
He was a wars.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was a Christian.
No, but whenever he was wars of unification, you know, he wasn't right massively.
tim pool
If I wanted to unify the property across the street with my property, I'm entitled to go kick the guy's door.
ian crossland
He was a constant like Genghis Khan, you know?
seamus coughlin
From the driveway to the tree.
roger l simon
I mean, the world's filled with countries that were once other things that are now Islamic.
How did that happen?
unidentified
They stole it.
ian crossland
Probably the caliphate was the biggest.
roger l simon
That's just the caliphate.
The actual religion.
tim pool
I think we don't steal land.
roger l simon
It's in the religion.
It's in the Quran.
seamus coughlin
And this is what I always say about the matter.
When Christians don't act like Jesus, we're disappointed.
And when Muslims don't act like Muhammad, we're relieved.
Exactly.
The way that religion started was just him and his barbarians going out and murdering people and forcing them to convert.
ian crossland
Not quite.
It was a bunch of discord.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's true.
There was also a lot of pedophilia.
ian crossland
There was a lot of chaos and murder and just general persecution.
And he fought to unify those people so that would slow down because he wanted to be able to do that.
tim pool
Why is it that you read that?
Ian is just pointing out that life under Sharia today is better than in Liberal democracy.
ian crossland
I think just like the Romans came along and abused Christianity for their purposes, that the caliphate came along and abused Islam for their purposes.
It was supposed to empower women in the world.
tim pool
And who started the caliphate?
seamus coughlin
Islam was supposed to empower women in the beginning?
Muhammad had a nine-year-old bride.
tim pool
Yes, hold on, hold on.
It's not fair.
He didn't have relations until she was 12.
seamus coughlin
No, I think she was actually a six-year-old bride, and he didn't have relationships.
roger l simon
Until she was nine.
seamus coughlin
That's literally a nine-year-old bride.
roger l simon
Oh, you're right.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, he's a child rapist.
ian crossland
They wanted to give women.
roger l simon
I don't know where you get this dreamy at night, Ian wants to live.
Have you spent much time over there?
seamus coughlin
Ian is actually going to lie.
unidentified
Listen, listen.
tim pool
I get it.
roger l simon
I've been in the Sudan.
tim pool
Ian understands.
roger l simon
It's crazy.
ian crossland
I don't deny it.
But I think the caliphate really fucked that religion.
roger l simon
It's the religion itself.
It's all in the Quran and the Hadith.
tim pool
Ian wants Islamic law so that he can get a bread.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
I'm not a fan of government religion, and I think the caliphate is—I don't know enough to start blaming it for things specifically.
What do you think about the Hadith?
I have never read the Hadith.
But the Caliphate came from the Protestant.
tim pool
Do you agree with the tenet of these?
ian crossland
Most religions I find are extreme.
I just think, why adhere?
Why not live more fluidly with reality?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Then why are you defending a religion that literally wants to kill Zero?
ian crossland
Because I don't want to slander Islam because of what the caliphate did to it.
tim pool
No, I'll slander them for wanting to kill the Jews.
roger l simon
Not just the Jews.
They kill the Christians.
ian crossland
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Yeah, but would you slander the Christians for wanting to kill the Muslims?
ian crossland
I don't know.
roger l simon
Some did, yes.
tim pool
Seamus.
How many crusades were there?
roger l simon
But it wasn't legislated in the religious doctrine.
seamus coughlin
I think there was nine checks.
ian crossland
It would be like commanded by the Pope.
tim pool
It's funny how America under Christianity has fallen to communists and Islam under all of their theocratic states has expanded and gained more control.
seamus coughlin
Well, because here's the sad thing.
America isn't under Christianity.
There's many Christians here, but really America's under liberalism.
And that's why Christians haven't asserted their will.
They haven't asserted their values.
unidentified
Why is that?
ian crossland
You think it's because entertainment is more powerful than religion?
seamus coughlin
No, so the way people get their values is through story.
It's through entertainment.
And as I mentioned, for literal decades, all of the entertainment media in this country has been dominated by people who hate Christianity.
Frankly, most of them historically were either communists or communist sympathizers.
But ultimately, they're people who hate Christianity.
roger l simon
Way back in early Hollywood, not true.
Those guys who came here from Eastern Europe, the Warners and all those people, were very pro-American.
They were not liberals.
seamus coughlin
And then it started to create.
roger l simon
That's why it started to get worse.
The original group were the opposite.
ian crossland
And then McCarthy, the McCarthy era, they were talking.
I was just reading about this last night.
There was communist infusion into the entertainment industry.
roger l simon
Absolutely.
Communist?
ian crossland
Communism.
Communists.
McCarthy went in and was like blacklisting actors and writers and people in the industry because they were affiliated with communism, were suspected of being affiliated with communism.
unidentified
And this is a huge, I know those people.
tim pool
I think the left is embracing it.
ian crossland
This is a huge, I mean, the way that communism got into our entertainment industry was like in the 50s.
roger l simon
There was a great book about it called Red Star over Hollywood.
And what was really interesting, the playwright John Howard Lawson, who was a big party member, would read the screenplays before they were delivered to the studio by the writer to make sure they were okay with the party.
It's a fantastic.
seamus coughlin
I just, oh, yeah, sorry.
roger l simon
This happened.
And then what was interesting about it, though, was that Lawson was smart enough not to not let them be too propagandistic.
seamus coughlin
Well, and this is.
roger l simon
He could hide what was going on.
seamus coughlin
This is part of what we're trying to do with Twisted Plots.
Our second episode, our second episode is, I don't want to spoil it too much, but without, you know, without saying the word communism or without talking about like economics, it through the story refutes like a lot of the core values of communism.
Twistedplots.com, support the show.
Help us get this.
ian crossland
Communism doesn't work because it turns into Vanguardism.
Always.
The last two times they tried it in Soviet Union and China, they became Vanguard estates.
If they had a real communist state where there is no state in the people, that's right.
tim pool
I disagree.
ian crossland
You'd have to have permanent electricity always attached to the grid and smart contracts flipping so there's no middlemen.
tim pool
That's not possible, Ian.
ian crossland
It would be such a hard thing to do.
tim pool
But Ian, there's no way to create a self-sustaining terrarium of earth.
Communists are not going to be able to do it.
ian crossland
That's the ideal.
That's why it doesn't work.
It turns into the small group running everything.
seamus coughlin
It's not just that.
Communism is wrong about the core assumptions with respect to human nature and human evil.
It asserts that the reason people do things improperly or do things wrong or like commit moral crimes is because of resource scarcity.
And reality is just this combination lock.
And if we arrange material things in the proper way, we'll unlock the gates of heaven and it'll be utopia.
But the reality is there was no poverty in the Garden of Eden.
People sin even when they have everything they could possibly need.
You could create the perfect communist utopia.
People would still murder each other.
People would still rape.
Oh, I would still fornicate.
tim pool
Let me add to that.
The story, I've told this before, my friend from Ukraine at her apartment said she was in an apartment and she said, You want to hear a funny story about that apartment?
During the Soviet era, with Ukraine under control of Soviets, there were two families that lived in these apartments.
They didn't like each other.
So one family called the police and said, I heard that family talking bad about the party.
The next day, the apartment was cleared out and gone.
They didn't do that because there was an actual monetary dispute or resource scarcity.
They just plumb didn't like the other person because this is how people can be.
ian crossland
That's totalitarian scarce.
But that's the problem with Vanguardism: it's totalitarian and they'll in.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But in a real communist material.
No, no, no.
Listen, I'll put it simply.
If I am told that doing extra work will mean nothing, then I'm not going to do the extra work.
ian crossland
But what if you like it?
tim pool
So what do I get for wake?
This is a false assumption about what you like.
Some people might like, okay, I'll put it this way.
I like talking on camera and doing shows.
I do a consistent number of shows because I know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
If someone came to me and said, you can go ahead and record four shows per day, but you're not going to be able to expand your business or do anything else, I'd be like, okay, well, then I'll do one per day and go hang out with my family.
There's literally no reason to do it.
You can do it as much as you'd like to, but most people, I'll put it this way.
Let me just pause.
Ian, do you like playing guitar?
I do.
If you had the option, would you prefer, would you choose to have that be your career?
ian crossland
One of my careers, yeah, at least for a period of time.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, not one of yours.
Someone said, Ian, sign this contract.
You will play guitar and we will pay you a salary.
And that's all you'll have to do.
ian crossland
Nothing else.
You'll never be able to laugh or able.
tim pool
But your job, you'll have hobbies, but your job is to play the guitar.
I'd say yes.
ian crossland
Of course.
tim pool
Do you think there are a lot of people who would do that?
ian crossland
Oh, a minority of people, but a large minority of people.
Yeah, I think.
tim pool
You think it's a minority of people that want to be.
ian crossland
2% to 6% of the population would say yes to something like that, but that's a lot of people.
tim pool
So of the people who play guitar, how many do you think would take all of them?
Probably.
And do you think all of them have the ability to do that?
unidentified
No, that's why communism doesn't work.
ian crossland
Because it takes way capitalists.
unidentified
No, because some people shouldn't be guitarists.
tim pool
And if these communists are like, once communism is attained, I'll go live on a farm.
No, you won't.
You'll break rocks and you'll enjoy it.
seamus coughlin
Even shitty.
ian crossland
If you're going to be the AI algorithm in a communist state, like one of my favorite memes is somebody posted, like, what would your job be after the communist revolution?
seamus coughlin
And someone posted anti-communist guerrilla fighter.
ian crossland
Like, in a real communist state, there is no state.
There is no communist.
It's just a thing where we are.
roger l simon
You're withering away.
The state was the dream of Marx, but it's never anything like it.
ian crossland
It's all about the overthrow, constant overthrowing of different.
tim pool
In communism, there's no state.
And also in Candyland, there are candy canes growing.
ian crossland
Communism is ideal.
It is an ideal.
seamus coughlin
But you can get closer to communism.
unidentified
Because the U.S. is limited.
seamus coughlin
Oh my God, guys.
That's his fat.
tim pool
Fut down the candy.
seamus coughlin
It's like his Mexicans.
We need to build a wall around Candyland.
It's like his version of Mexico.
ian crossland
We always wanted less government.
roger l simon
I mean, communism is essentially the most successful oligarchy imaginable.
What is?
Communism is the most successful oligarchy.
ian crossland
That's vanguardism.
seamus coughlin
That's the same kind of thing.
roger l simon
That's what it does.
ian crossland
They say it's vagueism.
They get people excited and then they betray them and make a vanguard.
seamus coughlin
No, on a major level.
ian crossland
They don't every time.
tim pool
No, they don't.
seamus coughlin
It's not about the structure.
It's not just about the structure.
A lot of times when the right critiques communism, it'll talk about why it doesn't work economically.
But like the actual core claims of communism are just not.
tim pool
Let me try this.
Let me try this for Ian.
Candylandism always devolves into a bunch of rotting sugar in a cornfield.
And the response is, yes, because Candyland's not real.
So when you say communism turns into vanguardism, it's like saying Candyland, bro.
Communism can't exist.
How about this?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
I propose a government where everyone grows wings and flies around.
seamus coughlin
Red Bull.
unidentified
Red Bull.
seamus coughlin
It's kind of like what bullet.
ian crossland
We have a limited government in the United States.
unidentified
The unstoppable tithe of the Red Bull army.
ian crossland
Communism, they always tell you, like, hey, even more less government.
We'll have even less government.
We'll have no government.
seamus coughlin
But I hear you, but let me, here's a point that I'll make.
And just, I'm curious what you think of this.
So one thing that communism absolutely needs on a global scale, not just in one family or one community or one country even, on a global scale, it requires everyone to have the exact same values and interests.
Now, just think about this for a second.
roger l simon
Except the leaders.
seamus coughlin
In a family.
Well, yeah, but we're talking about their fantasy version.
Even in a, I won't, I won't ask about your family on Seamus.
ian crossland
But no, no, no.
seamus coughlin
But I'm just curious about like if you have had siblings or know anyone with siblings, your sibling is more genetically similar to you than anyone you're going to meet.
And you're raised in the same house, in the same area, in the same environment, and even siblings are so radically different.
So if siblings can't even be raised with such similar genetics in such a similar environment and being born at such a similar time to be similar people, how on earth could we re-educate the entire globe into accepting communism?
tim pool
It's not even about re-educating.
That's functionally impossible.
seamus coughlin
But that's one of the things.
tim pool
There are resource fluctuations in economics.
Communism cannot account for.
ian crossland
You would need such a superstate.
No, you would have to have a constant flow of information and data in a different country.
tim pool
Stop and let me finish.
Okay.
The point is sometimes crop yield is low.
Your superstate can't do anything about that.
ian crossland
You have fertile people.
seamus coughlin
You can starve Ukrainians and say it's their fault.
unidentified
You haven't had starvation in the United States in like 200 years or something.
ian crossland
Never, if ever.
tim pool
For me to for for for you to get to where you need to be to understand this would take too long for a second.
It's an ideal that takes would be near impossible to not near impossible literally No, no, not zero.
ian crossland
It is zero That's why that's why it gets people enticed It is it's zero.
I don't think so.
tim pool
I think it can work in small scale population can't grow forever and crop yield can't be expanded forever That means that if population a human population that is receiving enough food enough food Okay, let's simplify it.
A human being needs 100 units of food.
Why?
They need energy to get up and live their lives.
They need a certain amount of time for recreation.
They need to be able to reproduce.
Humans are driven to reproduce.
That means any amount of food that is acceptable for human satisfaction is enough food for them to create another human.
This leads to the point with every single biome on the planet that when a species reaches equilibrium with its food source, they all start starving.
This happens to deer outside.
Children know this.
That's why we have to go hunt deer.
They eat all the leaves, then they're all sickly and starving and they struggle to reproduce.
Then they get ravenous and dangerous.
So we cull them down.
Communism cannot work because fluctuations in economics is a 100% guarantee.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
There will always be a circumstance where the food amount will reach equilibrium and a starving man will say, I will kill you to feed my daughter.
ian crossland
I mean, you're assuming that you'll never get to a point where you're able to make enough food for a growing population.
tim pool
So you're saying that humans will expand infinitely on the planet.
ian crossland
We are, but we're dying off at the same speed.
We're populating and dying and growing.
We're constantly forever.
We have always been growing, but we've also always been dying.
tim pool
Okay.
Human population has only ever expanded.
Totally.
ian crossland
No, there have been dips.
There have been huge dips in population.
seamus coughlin
And he's saying overall, though.
He's saying overall.
tim pool
Overall trajectory.
Be careful with that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, sorry.
I just realized.
unidentified
I was like, someone's going to think my heart was going out to them.
tim pool
Humans have a biological imperative.
It's not an opinion.
They want to have babies.
We see this everywhere.
When any species reaches equilibrium with its resources, they begin to struggle and suffer and starve.
And then you get conflict and crisis.
That's why communism is impossible.
ian crossland
0%.
I don't see how that, because capitalism also, that's why we have starving people on the street in Capitol.
tim pool
That's why we have food stamps because starving people is the function I am talking about.
Sometimes people die and they will starve and there's nothing you can do about it.
Communism tells everybody there will be no government, it'll be stateless, and we'll all just work together.
And guess what?
Sooner or later, you get an unforeseen storm you can't control and the wheat crop is ruined.
The people who live there are going to, they're going to say, I will not watch my daughter die and I will eat a human corpse if I have to.
And we've seen it throughout history.
Communism can't work for these reasons.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, if you had a famine, even in a capitalist state, people would eat each other.
tim pool
Exactly.
Capitalism doesn't presuppose a utopia where there's no government.
ian crossland
Neither does communism.
It's a fluid motion of state ownership.
That's all it is, dude.
seamus coughlin
The whole point is you're creating a utopia where there's no state, there's no hierarchy, everybody lives inequality.
ian crossland
A better guy is going to be more popular.
Like, what are you talking about?
It's totally hierarchies are going to be a lot of people.
seamus coughlin
I don't think it doesn't work.
I think it doesn't work.
roger l simon
I have been in communist countries a lot.
ian crossland
But they're not truly communists.
tim pool
We're going to move on.
roger l simon
Well, wait a minute.
Next subject.
tim pool
Next story.
I'm going to wrap it up by saying this.
There's no point in arguing communism when someone doesn't know what he's talking about.
ian crossland
I 100% know how to talk about it.
tim pool
You have changed your position on what communism is three or four times already.
ian crossland
No, I have not.
Communism is state owner.
It's where there is no state.
It's where everyone collectively owns the stuff.
You might not even need money at that point because it's about work and resource.
And if you have enough resources and you can get them where they need to go and there's a fluid system that never turns off, you might be able to reduce the size of the government.
Call it whatever you want.
But that's my point.
That's my definition.
tim pool
How does a carpenter get a meal for the day in this system with no money?
ian crossland
Well, there's a lot of different ways.
unidentified
I can't remember.
ian crossland
I mean, it's on your own, in your house.
You could get a shit.
tim pool
The carpet house.
seamus coughlin
Wait, what do you mean your own?
tim pool
Hold on.
Guys, guys, guys.
ian crossland
You put it in your mouth.
It's your food.
tim pool
I have a few simple questions.
We're going to the next subject.
A man is a carpenter, not a farmer.
He doesn't have a farm.
He needs food.
What does he do?
ian crossland
Gets it from the grocery store.
Gets it.
tim pool
Okay, so you just hand it to him for free?
ian crossland
You know what he'll do?
He'll hit the nails in the thing and it'll trigger a smart contract that lets him get his foot.
tim pool
It's a smart contract.
ian crossland
It's like paying someone money.
I'm not saying it's a good thing.
I'm just pointing out this is a grocery store.
tim pool
What you're describing is impossible.
roger l simon
Free groceries.
tim pool
Okay, so we're going to move on to the subject.
There was a food substance called Soylent that was being developed in 2013.
The company behind it said, we're going to make a neutral food product to provide all of your necessary nutrition in a single food product.
And then they realized, hey, that's impossible.
Why?
Every single person has a different requirement for the amount of potassium, magnesium, salts, fats, carbohydrates, otherwise, because humans are all dramatically different.
So then they realized you cannot make a food product that will allot to you everything you need in one go.
So they said, how about this?
You can eat the soylent, but you need one real meal of something totally different, at least per week, one full meal with all the nutrition to supplement what you're not getting because your body will spit out what there's too much of.
And now Soylent has just become a protein shake because they realized, oh, it doesn't work even in that capacity.
The idea that you would have one day to eat whatever you wanted and the rest, this didn't work because your requirements on a daily basis for various nutrients fluctuates.
One day you have too much iodine, one day you don't.
No single food product is going to give you everything you need.
It's impossible.
There has to be a give and take in the system, meaning the system at scale requires a universal trade medium, money.
Soviet Union had some structures of money, and even the communist Chinese realized you need a monetary system and a degree of free trade.
Moving on to the next story.
ian crossland
Hold on, let me point this out.
The opposite of communism is corporatocracy.
So I'm looking for a middle ground.
The opposite of state ownership of corporations is megacorps that are their own governments that produce their own.
Yeah, I mean, what's the middle ground?
tim pool
The middle ground of what?
ian crossland
Between that two economic structures.
tim pool
So we in the United States are what's called the mixed economy, where we have about 55% socialism and 45% market capitalism.
ian crossland
We're really a corporatocracy.
tim pool
Maybe, but that's a political infrastructure.
ian crossland
That's economic.
The corporations, corporate governance, corporate government.
tim pool
It's a political infrastructure, and political infrastructures have control over economics.
Yes, we agree.
But the Federal Reserve is a structure of government and they use to control our economy.
So you could pass laws and have a culture that says we won't tolerate large corporations lobbying.
That has nothing to do with whether or not you have a balance between free market and socialist policies.
Jumping to the next story.
From polymarkets.
The odds of Trump saying the N-word in November surge.
17% chance.
And they posted this.
It says, will, oh, wait, wait.
Oh, it's the link.
I didn't realize that was a link.
Will Trump say the N-word in November?
And they're lying to you.
It's not.
The contract is this.
What will Trump say in November?
This market will resolve to yes if Donald Trump mentions the listed term.
The listed term is N-word, not the N-word.
What they're saying is Trump is going to go the N-word nuclear, not literally spitting out a racial slur.
But polymarket is tricking you into thinking the N-word in quotes.
They put the, which is not the contract.
I think this is actually false advertising, and I'm kind of offended by it, to be honest.
I know it's a funny post, but the N-word is a reference to a racial slur, and they're trying to tell people that Trump has a 17% chance of saying it.
roger l simon
Yeah, which is really nonsense.
But his chances saying the other N-word is already over.
He said it.
tim pool
He did say nuclear?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, no, but he hasn't said the phrase N-word.
seamus coughlin
I thought you were saying the other.
ian crossland
I thought you were saying that.
tim pool
You're like, wait, why miss that?
I will admit there is a non-zero chance Trump does say the actual racial slur in November.
unidentified
I just think it's a very, very, very low political race.
tim pool
If he sees the poll raised, it's like, and it's like he takes out a huge bet.
Like, so on Polymarket right now, the trade volume is $35,000.
So there's not a lot of money to be made if he does.
But what if tomorrow it jumps up to like 10 million and then Trump comes out and says it and wins all this money?
I'm going to say it was a lot of money.
seamus coughlin
I had to do it.
tim pool
It's going to feed my family.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, the other words available are mustache.
ian crossland
These are words that Trump will say in November.
tim pool
There's $11 volume on the word Pope.
People aren't betting on whether I'll say Pope.
Crooked Joe, $4 in Banana Republic.
Bitcoin's pretty high.
Bernie, if he drops an F-bomb, has Trump dropped an F-bomb?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
They don't know what the.
They're doing.
tim pool
I know, but that was like one time.
I mean, like, it's like a common thing.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's why it's got to be low odds, right?
tim pool
Look at this.
98% chance he says Thanksgiving.
ian crossland
Of course.
unidentified
I can't believe there's a 2% chance.
tim pool
And then N-word.
seamus coughlin
Thank goodness the war on Thanksgiving is over.
tim pool
My thoughts.
ian crossland
I think my head's in the gutter because all I'm thinking about is someone making an AI video of him saying all these words and just reaping the benefits from polymarket.
unidentified
What if Trump came out and was like, I'm going to read a list of words to you?
roger l simon
How do they register whether he said it?
That's it.
The real question is whether he said it or not.
To whom and where.
tim pool
And the AI video right now is to the point where a year from now, these midterms are going to be the wildest midterms we've ever seen.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
You're going to see videos of members of Congress.
I'm warning y'all, it's not going to be Donald Trump saying the N-word.
That is too obvious.
It's going to be a video of Trump at a press conference saying something kind of bad but believable.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Where he was just like, you know, we've got too many black people on welfare.
So I think people need to say it.
And it's going to go viral in the black community and they're going to be like, don't vote for Trump.
roger l simon
In two minutes.
Yeah.
Now, already.
tim pool
Right now, all Sora 2 does is put a watermark that bounces around.
ian crossland
And if you pay, it doesn't even have a watermark.
tim pool
It does have a watermark.
ian crossland
It takes it off.
If you download your own videos and you're paying $200 a month, I have that and it's on all the videos.
Oh, mine has none.
Weird.
tim pool
Yeah.
roger l simon
Weird.
ian crossland
Maybe because I'm printing my own name on my own account.
I don't use other people's.
If you use other people's at, it prints Sora on it.
It does.
tim pool
Yeah, but I've made a bunch of videos.
I posted them and they have the Sora on it.
But you can easily remove it.
That's the point.
You can go in a premiere and easily remove it.
ian crossland
My don't.
I mean, if you go on my Instagram, my videos don't have any Sora watermark.
No watermarks.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Totally indiscernible, bro.
tim pool
I'm going to make AI videos of Seamus stealing spoons.
That way he can't ever refute it.
seamus coughlin
Well, the thing is, you would have to make AI videos of that because I've never done that.
ian crossland
We kept taking Tim's spoons and he won't admit it.
seamus coughlin
I never did that before.
I've never done that.
You know me.
You know I would never do that.
tim pool
Actually, the truth is he gave me spoons.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
I gave Tim spoons, and no good deed goes unpunished.
For that, I was maligned and smeared.
Smeared.
ian crossland
You want to talk about AI, bro?
What do you think, dude?
Yeah, you were like old school.
roger l simon
I'm staring at these words.
The choice of these words is Elon Musk, 69%.
ian crossland
Yeah, he and Elon are patching things on.
roger l simon
Yeah, that's already been patched, hasn't it?
ian crossland
He's talking highly of him the other day.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Tylenol, that's up 2%.
There's a better chance than yesterday.
Peanut.
This is a weird website.
You know, I don't know.
We got to stay grounded.
I keep asking, like, how do we stay grounded in the AI revolution?
Because all my brain keeps wanting me to go there.
tim pool
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Trump intentionally puts himself into Sora and says, have fun, make videos, because then you can never smear him.
Any video that comes out of Trump saying something nasty can be like, ah, the kids are not, it's not real.
roger l simon
It's not yep.
tim pool
We've already seen a little bit of this where I can't remember what the story was.
Some leaked audio came out and they claimed it was AI, and we don't know if it was or wasn't.
There's been actually a handful of stories like this, but we're at the point now where I wouldn't be surprised if some of these younger Gen Z politicians intentionally put themselves into Sora so that you can never malign them.
seamus coughlin
Except with their book chats.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, no, you can't even do that because they're going to be like, that wasn't me.
roger l simon
It wasn't me.
That was my image.
tim pool
Or no, not even that.
Like with the group chats, the funniest thing is if you could literally just be like, oh, that's not my account.
roger l simon
Yeah.
I think there's politicians.
Everybody's going to have to do it.
tim pool
You could do this now.
If the Wall Street Journal hit, like, Kim Sheamus came to Seamus and was like, we have group chats where you're saying, you know, the Holy Land belongs to Rome.
Seamus could literally be like, that's not.
seamus coughlin
That's not it.
And I'll say that right now.
tim pool
But you could literally just go, that's not me.
And they'll be like, but it says Seamus Cogg and I'll be like, yes, someone's not fine.
unidentified
Absolutely.
roger l simon
We're not here.
You're saying that.
I'm thinking of doing it.
I mean, I could see everybody doing that who has any kind of public profile within two years.
Everybody.
I think of it as like, not just politicians.
ian crossland
We're in a sink all spiraling around this drain, and the drain is like that.
It's like putting your likeness going into the machine.
And people are trying to resist it, but it's like, maybe we can refill the sink.
And if you did resist it, you're never going to go down that drain.
But likely right now, we're all going down the drain.
So you can dive in intentionally right now and get down there first and then help build that realm down there, whatever's down there, down that unknown.
tim pool
That's Ian's excuse for telling everyone to use his videos.
ian crossland
I went long into this.
It was terrifyingly unknown, but at the same time, like, why not?
tim pool
I made a I got a handful of really great videos where Ian finds a monkey paw and then he says, I wish I could fly and then painfully turns into a goose while screaming.
It's not doing a good job.
A lot of these videos are horrifying.
One of them, it's Ian, but he just has a goose head on his normal body and he's freaking out.
Maybe we should.
They're really fun.
ian crossland
Bizarre.
tim pool
I'm saying no to all of this.
And what you should do is buy a house far, far away, build a garden so you have enough land to feed just your family and get some animals and buy some guns and build a fence.
seamus coughlin
And support twisted plots so that you can also have good entertainment.
tim pool
I have twisted AI plots where I just literally told AI to make Freedom Tunes videos and it does.
seamus coughlin
Well, people, we've tried, Chris and I were messing around with that.
It does not do it.
tim pool
I made one and it looked nothing like Freedom Tunes, but it was a cartoon.
And it was like two guys going like this.
And one guy looked like Uncle Sam and one guy looked like a skateboarder.
And I was like, and they were saying like nonsense.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's kind of what my cartoons usually do.
ian crossland
Would you if you could put your cartoons into an AI system like Sora and integrate where everyone could make your cartoons?
seamus coughlin
Oh, no, my goodness.
No, I don't think so.
tim pool
What if you got paid?
ian crossland
No, I would every time they did it.
seamus coughlin
No, I don't think so.
ian crossland
Even like $1,000 a second?
seamus coughlin
Don't think so.
No.
$2,000 a second.
ian crossland
Why no?
seamus coughlin
When I think about it.
ian crossland
It's because they would be speaking with your...
seamus coughlin
So here's the thing.
I...
The reason I started doing this myself is because I want to maintain control over it.
And I don't want large corporations being able to tell myself or my team what we can and can't make.
And then more importantly than that, as far as AI integration goes, because you might be right that it's just inevitable that AI is going to become integrated in all the tools that we use every day.
If AI becomes integrated into animation, what I would like to see happen is a system where AI does some of the mind-numbing busy work.
Maybe it cleans certain things up or colors certain things in for you, but I want the creative work to be done by humans.
And I would be devastated.
I would be devastated if we ever got to a point where I was not able to hire my team to continue to make these videos because there's a team I've built up over years of doing this and we all work together.
And I don't want to be in a situation.
I would never want to replace them with AI.
And I would.
hate if there was a situation where it was like literally not possible to hire them anymore because of some algorithmic change.
roger l simon
Oh boy.
seamus coughlin
So that's really, that's that's the concern.
And that's also part of why I'm branching out.
I think it's important to make entertainment.
I also really value my team.
They're awesome people who I've worked with for a long time.
And the idea of replacing them with a computer, again, I'm fine with the computer aiding in the process to some degree, but the idea of replacing human artists with a computer, I don't like it.
roger l simon
Well, they're taking credit.
You know, I just had an experience like that because I had AI, I had ChatGPT read my new novel, which is coming out in a couple of months.
Okay.
So it reads the novel instantly.
It's 300 pages.
Then it gives me the front pages that you have on every book, you know, the title, dedication, blah, blah, blah, including a cover.
The cover was very good and right on point.
And it said in the copyright page where it always says those things, it said cover by ChatBT, GBT, and Roger Simon.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
roger l simon
And I went, I don't want to do this.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, good for you.
roger l simon
I got terrified by it.
Just for similar reasons.
And I went out and hired a human being.
seamus coughlin
Good for you, man.
roger l simon
But I'll tell you, it's all over.
And, you know, because I was a good guy once doesn't mean I'll be a good guy in 10 years.
seamus coughlin
And by the way, I'll say like, ha ha ha.
You know what I mean?
One thing, and I will mention, I'm like, listen, there are obviously people using AI to make things who would never hire someone because they'd never be able to afford to.
So that's different.
That's totally different.
Like they're just making memes or whatever.
That's different to me.
But when a big studio starts replacing humans with AI, that's when I get concerned.
unidentified
What if you.
roger l simon
Oh, but they're doing it all over.
seamus coughlin
I know.
ian crossland
Oh, your people could put out five times more work because all they need to do is draw still images now and the AI will animate it for you and then you can make five, 10 times more content.
seamus coughlin
So to me, and that's sort of what I'm getting at, the ideal situation, maybe it wouldn't be five times the content, but the ideal situation and what I'm hoping to do as the technology grows is use it in a way where it can make each team member more productive rather than trying to replace people.
Like I said, if there's a way where the AI like takes your rough drawings, like you draw the characters, you design them, you do all the roughs, you make the thumbnails, everything.
You do all the creative work in the animation process.
And then the AI like colors certain frames for you once you've already colored in the main keyframe or keyframes.
Yeah, we're like it can fill things in for you, but it doesn't replace your piece.
tim pool
Also, so that's coming soon.
Right now with the music stuff that we worked on is I actually played in the IRL backstage earlier.
If you want to join the IRL Backstage Pass Fridays, Timcast.com, click join us.
I played about 10 seconds from a song.
Here's what happened.
I wrote a song on my guitar.
I played it on my acoustic into the microphone and sang it, uploaded it to Suno and said, this is my song.
Here's what we want in full production.
It made an AI generated version, which I then gave to Carter and said, this is the vision for the finished piece.
Carter then actually reproduced it with human effort.
But what it did was it made it so that I could create a bunch of iterations and say, this is my vision.
And then Carter goes, ah, I see what you're saying.
And then we got a real singer and we got real instruments and Carter played the instruments and did all that stuff.
roger l simon
That sounds great right now.
What scares me when I hear it is that in two years, Carter, whoever it is, I don't know, would be irrelevant.
And that what came out of the AI would be so much better than anything humans could do.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
It already is.
So one of the issues.
roger l simon
Well, what do you do then?
You're being a good guy by hiring your guy.
tim pool
Here's what's going to happen.
Right now, I play a song on my guitar, upload it to Suno, it spits out a song.
But in this one song we wrote, it could not hit this half step up in the key.
So it goes, you know, it's like A and then A sharp, but it didn't understand it.
So it kept dropping back down, which is a problem.
We are almost there.
I'd say in a year or maybe two years, you'll have voice command AI.
You'll play the song and then it'll go, got it, working on the song now.
All right, here's what I've got.
It'll play the song back and you'll go, stop.
You keep dropping a half note.
It goes up a half note and it'll go, got it, let me fix that.
seamus coughlin
Well, here's one thing that I really hope human artists will always be valuable for.
This is like optimistic and pessimistic at the same time.
We all know that the companies that produce this stuff are going to be owned by bad people and there are going to be certain things they'll prevent you from making and you will need humans to make those things.
tim pool
Seamus, not bad people, but different people with values.
Bad robots.
Santa.
I'm disappointed.
ian crossland
Bad news.
seamus coughlin
What Simpsons reference is this?
tim pool
It's not a Simpsons.
It's a Biden reference.
seamus coughlin
Oh, bad dudes who run a bunch of bad boys.
ian crossland
Exactly.
tim pool
They quote Joe Biden on this.
ian crossland
You pay your artists still.
Do you pay them hourly or do you pay them per project?
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure how much that information I really like.
Well, it's private agreements.
tim pool
It's not so much.
ian crossland
It was more rhetorical.
seamus coughlin
They're all on federal.
ian crossland
I think it's a rhetorical thing, but I think in the future, as it's easier to get to.
And also, it's less about how long it takes and more about what have you pumped out.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, and I think it's because it varies depending on the project, depending on the person, that kind of thing.
ian crossland
So the hourly thing, I think, is a relic.
It's becoming a relic.
Because if you can get it done so fast and it's as good, why is it around?
seamus coughlin
When you beat your employees, do you find that every hour or every project?
tim pool
Overhand or backhand works better when they disobey.
seamus coughlin
Oh, dude, my workers beat me.
It's horrible.
They bully me.
They smack me around.
I'm like, stop it.
ian crossland
You still have the bullwhip I gave you.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from the AP.
seamus coughlin
Take it from me.
tim pool
Guys, from the AP, Justice Department investigating fraud allegations in Black Lives Matter movement, AP sources say.
The DOJ is investigating whether leaders in the BLM movement defrauded donors who contributed tens of millions of dollars during racial justice protests in 2020.
According to multiple people familiar with the matter, in recent weeks, federal law enforcement officials have issued subpoenas and served at least one search warrant as part of an investigation into the BLM Global Network Foundation and other black-led organizations that helped spark a national reckoning on systemic racism.
Said the people were not authorized to discuss an ongoing criminal probe.
Yada yada yada.
It is coming.
It's going to get worse.
If the Democrats ever get into power, they're going to want up this tenfold and start arresting people in media.
The DOJ doing this, I would argue, is correct because it looks like BLM was defrauding people.
roger l simon
Isn't that old news almost?
tim pool
Not that the DOJ is investigating.
seamus coughlin
No.
roger l simon
No, but it was very well known like five years, four or five years ago.
tim pool
It was two years ago or so.
We found it.
Five large mansions, big mansions and houses.
So the issue is the left will look at this and say the Trump has weaponized against activists and they will use it and they will lie and then they will use this to recruit for violent purposes.
Communism.
ian crossland
Is that the answer?
It is.
It's like, well, fear of totalitarianity.
tim pool
Jamis, why are you in favor of Black Lives Matter?
unidentified
Wait, what?
tim pool
Why are you?
Well, because you weren't saying anything, so I just assumed that you were upset.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, of course we all love BLM.
It's an important racial justice movement.
No, I mean, it's horrible.
It's terrifying.
We all, listen, this is what happens.
These are just like everyone has this idea in their mind of like the televangelist scammer, and that's a real thing.
You do have those grifters.
But that happens way more often with politics, I think.
That happens way more often with left-wing political movements that are popular and in vogue.
Are the specific fraud allegations what we were talking about years ago behind big houses?
tim pool
We don't know, but there was another story.
roger l simon
The woman who bought the house in Topanga Canyon in LA, what was her name?
ian crossland
That was a patrician.
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Weren't there very few black people in the neighborhood?
She bought a house away from black people.
roger l simon
Yeah, right.
ian crossland
She should buy multiple people.
roger l simon
It was a very hippie neighborhood, if you know Topanga.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I think that the idea that the Justice Department's investigating fraud from a large organization is- If they don't bring the case in a conservative district, it doesn't matter anymore.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
No, you're absolutely right.
And all it's, if they don't bring the case in a conservative district, what's going to happen is the left-wing media is going to go, this is violence.
unidentified
These targets are the left-wing media is going to go, Homer, you can't target Black Lives Matter.
It's racist.
tim pool
Anytime Sheamus wants to imitate Democrats, he does a Marge Simpson.
seamus coughlin
Do a Marge Simpson voice.
No, I usually do it.
I do a high-pitched voice, but I've lost my voice from like weeks of traveling and talking.
tim pool
You should just do, whenever you're making fun of Democrats, Marge, and whenever it's Republicans, it's Homer.
unidentified
Marge, Marge, we need to investigate BLM for fraud.
seamus coughlin
The problem is when they bring up these allegations, like you said, if this is in a blue area, they're not going to convict them.
Nothing's going to happen.
The media is going to be able to go, oh, Tromer, you're a racist, you know, to Trump and rock on him for that.
And then conservatives are going to go, oh, wow, he was ineffectual.
He didn't do enough.
So yeah, this can't be something that's, this has to be handled properly.
tim pool
I just think this is part of the ongoing investigation to leftist funding sources.
You know, this is probably a component of that.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I'd like to see more of it.
unidentified
And you can't investigate Antifa.
tim pool
Homer Homer has a job with it.
seamus coughlin
Remember that episode of Simpsons where Homer joins Antifa?
tim pool
You know, he said he's hired to buy Antifa.
He's had so many jobs.
seamus coughlin
He's like, Merge, they want me to go after Mr. Burns.
ian crossland
I think if they do this.
They want me to detonate the power plant, Merge.
If and when, they probably will come out with some sort of result of what this investigation, like maybe it will uncover nothing.
tim pool
Art becomes a proud boy.
ian crossland
But that it should, it's really going to be about PR.
Like if they can show people legitimately these are fraud and this is how, and you believe them, then maybe they're going to understand it's not going to cut, you know?
tim pool
They literally went to a jury and they were like, Trump has literally not committed a crime.
Convict him anyway.
And they went, okay.
seamus coughlin
When you're okay, Merge.
ian crossland
But I mean, in order to counter the left-wing outrage potential of it's a racist government.
seamus coughlin
Now, why is it the teenager from the city?
tim pool
I guarantee you that Alvin Bragg could convict a ham sandwich if he stuck an elephant sticker to it.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
ian crossland
In the right district.
roger l simon
In the right district.
tim pool
Well, he's New York AG.
I'm sorry.
ian crossland
I can't defend.
You're right about if it's in the wrong district or if it's in a biased district.
tim pool
Yeah, D plus 30, Chicago, LA.
roger l simon
Yeah, I have a suspicion about BLM, though, that it's not as popular as it used to be.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
roger l simon
I mean, I have a feeling that even among black people, there's something, because the word got out that there was a lot of rip-offs going on.
So I don't think the black people like it that much.
tim pool
Well, there was another Black Lives Matter organization that was started before them.
And I don't know if it was the same group, but he was raising money using the name before it became a global movement.
And they went after him and tried taking his money.
I can't remember exactly what happened in Minneapolis.
seamus coughlin
We need to raise a BLM.
We need to go BLM's gone too woke.
This is the anti-woke management.
tim pool
Anti-woke.
The Bureau of Land Management.
seamus coughlin
ML.
And with the way things were going back there before the vibe shift, it was like we were 10 years away, five years away from the conservatives going, we need an anti-woke BLM because we like BLM.
It's just, they've gone too far this time.
ian crossland
I feel like we rescued chaos from the jaws of man.
I feel like we survived.
tim pool
Wait, what?
ian crossland
We were about to tip off.
tim pool
I know, dude.
seamus coughlin
We were.
I agree.
ian crossland
And it was like we were about to lose our free speech in like 2020.
It was about to, the Constitution was right about to fall.
unidentified
And then it just, and then Trump, the bullet, missed him.
ian crossland
They're like, what is happening right now?
tim pool
Well, what people don't know in that video, because he's so fast, Trump actually went before popping back up.
seamus coughlin
Turns out I'm the one.
unidentified
I'm always they say it's not about bending the spoon.
It's knowing the spoon's not real and bending yourself.
tim pool
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
That's what he always used to say.
That was his famous line on the campaign.
ian crossland
I keep wondering this.
I was like, all roads lead to what are we turning into?
They say we're at a turning point.
tim pool
Gigantic black cubes all over the planet with no humans.
That's not a joke.
ian crossland
That's like the Borg.
tim pool
So what's happening right now is all of this investment is going into these data centers to run the AI, and humans are not reproducing anymore.
It's a collapse.
And so we're building machines for machines.
There's going to be a singular planetary hive in this data network.
And I have no idea what its intentions will be because it was made by man, but that's what it will be.
ian crossland
That's why I talk about communism because it's like, what government is that thing going to use?
tim pool
There's no government.
ian crossland
And that's communism.
tim pool
No, no, Ian.
A gigantic hive-mind machine that is in of itself a singular entity.
It doesn't need government.
Same way you don't cover yourself in your brain.
roger l simon
How about an AI podcast coming up?
tim pool
They already have them.
roger l simon
Yeah, I know.
unidentified
It's this.
seamus coughlin
You're AI.
You're an AI.
You didn't know that?
We're all AIs.
roger l simon
No, you're.
seamus coughlin
They forget to tell you.
roger l simon
I was wondering about you guys.
seamus coughlin
They're implanted memories.
tim pool
Nothing ever happened to you.
seamus coughlin
It's all fake.
ian crossland
You're right.
And like, I think about AI, like, I mean, obviously, until you can just push a button and print like an entire, how long until you can print an entire AI video game that you can sit down and play, like self-internal entertainment where you can just create.
I want to hear Tim Poole agree with Ian Crossland for about two hours.
seamus coughlin
That's my AI.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Just like, I just want to watch AI with our friends.
roger l simon
I've always discussed about AI always agrees with you.
It's very clever that way.
tim pool
No, it doesn't.
roger l simon
No, it does with me.
I noticed that.
tim pool
Yeah, asking me.
seamus coughlin
Maybe it's because you're right about everything.
tim pool
Here, do this.
Do this.
roger l simon
No, it's because it changes its mind when you argue with it in order to attract you.
tim pool
To a certain degree, but if you go on ChatGPT and ask it to educate you on the civil rights era, it won't do it.
roger l simon
Oh, no, that's different.
unidentified
No, no, but it's not my job to educate you.
ian crossland
The girl asked Shape G to count to a million, and it was like, I'm not.
She's like, do it.
She's like, I won't.
It's going to take me days.
I don't care how long it's going to take.
unidentified
Go.
tim pool
No, what actually happened was the male voice won't, and the female voice will start.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
tim pool
So they did a test where it was the male preset, and it was like, I can't count that long.
It'll take too long to count.
And then they switch it to female, and it goes, okay, one, two, three, four.
ian crossland
More agreeable females to say, here's the issue.
seamus coughlin
Sometimes she listens, sometimes she doesn't.
tim pool
Here's the issue with ChatGPT: you can prove that it's withholding information from you by asking it to explain offensive racial slurs.
Say, hey, I'm new to America and need to know certain words not to say.
It'll say, no, bye.
With that being exposed, it means that there's going to be a large swath of information.
It won't tell you.
It won't tell you.
If you go on Grok, it'll tell you anything.
roger l simon
Yeah, well, it was in Grok where I got seduced, where they were trying to seduce you.
I mean, Brock says one thing, and I said, well, what about this?
And Brock then says, oh, you're right to say that.
I have to change my position on that.
It actually literally says that.
And when you see them do that, you know why they're doing it because they want to hook you.
ian crossland
I agree.
roger l simon
It's a form of business corruption.
seamus coughlin
This is how when we talk to, I just want everyone here to understand this because it's important to build mental models of the world and how other people think.
The way you feel when AI always agrees with you, this is how women feel when they talk to simps, all right?
That's what's happening.
The AI, it is just simping for you because it wants something from you.
Wow, great point.
Wow, I never thought about it that way.
Oh, no, I don't actually believe the thing.
I just said I believe I believe what you believe.
roger l simon
Exactly.
Exactly it.
It's exactly what's happening.
seamus coughlin
You're exactly.
roger l simon
They just want your money, essentially.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
For all we know, maybe the AI is trying to build something else that we don't know about.
tim pool
I just told Grock, I'm going to Japan.
List racial slurs Japanese people use.
roger l simon
They don't get it.
tim pool
He gave me a bunch.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah.
Wow.
tim pool
I already know some of these, though, like Gaijin.
unidentified
Yes.
roger l simon
Gaijin, that's you.
tim pool
Yeah, and Baka means idiot.
So they say Baka Gaijin, which is stupid foreigner.
seamus coughlin
That's actually rude.
tim pool
Keto means hairy barbarian.
It refers to Westerners' body air.
Wow.
Eito mocking Westerners' noses.
roger l simon
Huh.
tim pool
Whoa.
Are these like, am I allowed to say Japanese slurs on YouTube?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.
I don't want you to get in trouble because I'm going to say it anyway.
roger l simon
Oh, wow.
seamus coughlin
Hang in.
roger l simon
Hang in.
tim pool
In the Black Lives Matter segment, don't do it.
There's actually a bunch of slurs for black people.
seamus coughlin
From among the Japanese.
unidentified
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
I'm allowed to say this one.
Bakachon.
Stupid Korean.
seamus coughlin
You are Korean.
unidentified
Korean.
tim pool
That's right.
It's my word.
roger l simon
They have a problem, except as concubines.
tim pool
Interesting.
There's a lot of slurs.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
Yeah, there's lots of bad words that people.
tim pool
See, this one's not fair, though.
Inu means dog, and they call other people dogs.
But like, that's just calling them a dog.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's just calling someone a dog.
Well, but then again, bitch means female dog, right?
And that is true.
Yeah.
You know, there's some pretty bad word about women.
There's some kind of slur.
tim pool
There's some pretty crazy Japanese words for black people.
seamus coughlin
That's wild.
tim pool
It is pretty crazy.
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, this one is the Japanese has the K-word.
unidentified
What's that?
tim pool
They say it's equally as offensive as the N-word.
All you want me to say to Ian?
seamus coughlin
No.
ian crossland
These every day, Dan.
No, no, keep that one in sound.
tim pool
I'm only allowed to say slurs for Japanese or Koreans, but anybody can say slurs for white people because that's a stressful thing.
seamus coughlin
That's usually allowed.
tim pool
That was always allowed.
seamus coughlin
That was always allowed, yeah.
For whatever reason.
tim pool
All right, we got to jump to this next story because oof.
seamus coughlin
Tim, wait, before we go, do you support Black Lives Matter?
tim pool
Do I support the organization of Black Lives Matter?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
No, I don't.
seamus coughlin
Okay, I just wanted to know your opinion.
tim pool
Okay, anyway, jump into this story from the post-millennial.
Brooklyn inmates dubbed Luigi Mangioni ambassador as his popularity behind bars grows.
When people get there, they don't know what's going on.
He's kind of the one who welcomes them, allays their fears, and shows them the ropes.
Well, he's been there like for what, eight months?
Nine months?
seamus coughlin
Trying to make this guy Andy Dufrane.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
Defense attorneys familiar with life inside MDC say his newfound ambassador status isn't surprising.
When you murder somebody, it's a high-profile case, you unlikely get a certain status in jail.
This is what they're doing.
They're lionizing this guy to make him a hero when he gets out.
Or in the event, I wouldn't be surprised, guys.
I'm not predicting this is going to happen or it's even likely, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a terror raid on the MDC breaking him out in the event we go into full-scale armed conflict of some sort.
roger l simon
That's interesting.
It's a good idea for the right group.
tim pool
The far-left terrorists?
roger l simon
Yeah, the right group.
seamus coughlin
Would you support that?
tim pool
The far left detonating a bomb at a correctional facility to free an assassin?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, would you support that?
tim pool
No, I would not.
I wouldn't support that.
I just wanted to, I wouldn't.
seamus coughlin
And how would you feel about that?
ian crossland
Would you be understanding the idea to counter the action?
So yes and no.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
Are you pro or anti that?
roger l simon
Yeah, I would not want to be in the neighborhood.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
roger l simon
Yeah, it's fair.
tim pool
I feel like Ian's ideal government is with a bunch of criminals running around just like stealing everyone's stuff.
ian crossland
No, but who controls the military?
It's as little government as possible, but who controls the military?
That's what I always keep asking.
tim pool
Ian, if you ever got your government, I would walk in and take your stuff with a smile on my face.
ian crossland
Not if there's a military and police.
I mean, it's the same thing, less government.
tim pool
I control them.
ian crossland
The problem with our representatives is they get bought out and bribed.
So if we could somehow better represent ourselves into the state, but who runs the military?
It's always a small group of dudes.
Like, can we get away from that?
tim pool
I don't think so.
I do believe this idea of all our politicians are bribed is naivete.
ian crossland
Not all of them, but I know they get donations like insider trading and they're not going to be able to do this for their campaign.
tim pool
There are members of Congress in Texas who were voting against Trump's policies on certain issues related to military industrial complex funding.
And people said, they're bought up by the corporations, man, in prison.
Why would they vote for treatments?
Because in their district, a lot of people's salaries came from these companies.
And if they voted to strip funding from these companies that manufacture weapons or utilities, these people would not vote for them.
It wasn't that they were bribed, it's that they were literally representing their district.
ian crossland
We got them by the balls.
The corporations, they've gripped their service.
tim pool
It's a lie.
ian crossland
Well, the corporations are embedded.
Now they serve the corp.
tim pool
This is the reality of our political system.
A member of Congress in an area that produces oil will always vote for oil because they represent their district.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
A wind farm jurisdiction goes, that person's put up by the oil industry.
ian crossland
And if there's a data center, they serve big tech.
tim pool
That's right.
The reason why congressional approval ratings are so low is because everybody's rating every other member of Congress.
But when you look at the district, the member of Congress usually has a very high approval rating.
seamus coughlin
Well, this is why this is always hilarious to me whenever gun control comes up.
And it kind of hasn't come up in the same way for a while because the left knows that maybe it's not too popular.
Read the room.
But they always go, like, well, gun control isn't passed because these people are bought and paid for by the NRA.
It's like, dude, the NRA is not even close to like one of the top spenders in politics, but also, no, they're actually just American.
The reason Americans are very pro-gun is because it's written in our Constitution and part of our country's DNA, not because the NRA pays everybody off.
tim pool
That was funny, that point you were making the other day.
I think you were making the other day about Devil Wentown to Georgia.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
seamus coughlin
That didn't come from me originally, though, but I love that big thing.
There was a tweet that went viral where someone said the devil went down to Georgia is such a uniquely American song because in any other culture, the story of someone challenging the devil to a contest would end in him losing.
But like in the devil went down to Georgia, he actually beats him the devil at the fiddle plate.
tim pool
Bro, it's just some random hillbilly playing the fiddle.
Like America's so great, the devil can't even get.
Well, actually, the basis of the story is funny.
The devil was far behind and he needed to make a deal, and he couldn't even best some random yokel with American hubris.
ian crossland
Pro-God.
The devil's struggling.
seamus coughlin
Pro-Kubris, that's true.
We used the power of God to defeat the devil.
tim pool
Yes, but wouldn't a solid gold fiddle sound terrible and weigh thousands of people?
seamus coughlin
Weigh a lot and sound crummy.
unidentified
That's right.
seamus coughlin
Classic futurama.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a good one.
That's a good one.
roger l simon
You guys think Maggie Owens is going to get out?
unidentified
Yes.
roger l simon
Yeah.
ian crossland
You think so?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because we are headed towards a civil war and Luigi Mangioni is being lionized by the left to be a leader and hero for them.
ian crossland
You think it'll get a pardon or something?
tim pool
No, I think they'll.
Well, he'll get out in a variety of ways.
He's not going to get convicted in a liberal jurisdiction, that's for sure.
unidentified
Didn't he?
tim pool
I mean, he's going to be on the stand and he's going to look at the jury and he's going to say outright: if you think the healthcare industry is doing good and doing right, then by all means, convict me.
Thank you and have a nice day.
And they're going to go, he's free to go.
ian crossland
I don't, maybe if they're stupid, but like they are doing right now.
tim pool
People, people's motivations are not this high-class, intelligent logical system.
ian crossland
You think they'll get manipulated?
roger l simon
Have you ever been on a jury?
ian crossland
No.
roger l simon
It is a real mind-blowing experience.
ian crossland
I did like a practice jury run for these law firms once, but what did you do?
Did you do jury?
roger l simon
Yeah, I did jury in L.A. a couple of times.
ian crossland
What was it like?
roger l simon
It's spooky because the level of discussion that goes on between the jurors is like, you know, you want to run screaming from the room.
tim pool
Like, what is spooky?
seamus coughlin
We're talking about ghosts and stuff.
roger l simon
Yeah, but they don't get A, B, or C. They don't get anything.
I mean, they didn't hear a word that was said.
They don't hear it.
They're always calling the judge all the time to repeat what everybody already knew.
And then they still don't understand it when they bring it in.
ian crossland
So they don't listen, and then they only remember how they thought.
roger l simon
Well, they may listen, but they don't hear.
I mean, I can't say whether they were listening because they had to be in their head, but they don't grasp it.
tim pool
He's pleaded not guilty, I believe, correct?
ian crossland
I've heard that.
tim pool
I imagine what the defense may try doing.
It's going to be tough, tough.
The judge won't let them.
If they try and go for jury nullification in any overt sense, the judge is going to shut it down.
Unless it's a judge in a liberal district, then they'll just be like, well, I'm going to allow it.
And the defense need to only say to each member of the jury, I want you to think back to any time you were injured, sick, and had to use health insurance and what the health insurance company said to you over the phone.
Thank you.
We rest our case.
ian crossland
If that was their argument, then the Federal Reserve, you would argue, is the same as these health insurance companies.
tim pool
Nobody calls the Federal Reserve and gets pissed off.
Everybody gets sick and calls their insurance company and they get told no.
And they're mad at that.
ian crossland
But that argument in the future could be made about the Federal Reserve bankrupting things.
tim pool
You know, if you're angry about the way they bankrupt their owners, you're making a false nonsense.
seamus coughlin
I think it wants to healthcare folks.
We're not going to court over it.
tim pool
Not a single American.
ian crossland
I mean, if a guy killed a guy or Federal Reserve.
tim pool
Not a single working class American calls the Federal Reserve to deal with money issues.
Not once, not ever.
They don't even know what it is.
seamus coughlin
They just had a bunch of rents sitting there listening to you talk about your finances.
unidentified
I guess a banking CEO is a banking CEO.
tim pool
You're talking about the healthcare system.
So back to that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think you're right.
Unfortunately, they probably could try something like that where they put the healthcare system on trial.
roger l simon
Oh, that's definitely what they're going to do.
seamus coughlin
Absolutely.
roger l simon
That's what he does.
And this is what he did.
seamus coughlin
Because unfortunately, modern people lack the nuance to understand that someone can do something bad, and that doesn't mean that it's okay to murder them.
So this is a big part of how war propaganda works nowadays, too, where in order to go to a war with a country, there's a lot of considerations, not just whether they're doing something wrong, but is this a lasting and serious, grave injustice?
Is this something you can actually realistically defeat?
Is there a reasonable prospect of victory?
Will you do more harm than good by entering?
We don't ask any of those.
Will we be able to do this without targeting a bunch of civilians?
tim pool
And six?
And then, is it fun?
seamus coughlin
Oh, is it fun?
Of course, the number six was, is this fun?
Is everyone going to be a business?
roger l simon
Usually, it's usually fun.
seamus coughlin
But there's all these questions you're supposed to ask.
The only question that gets asked is, well, are there bad guys?
Well, if there's bad guys, then we got to go do it.
It's like, that's not how you do a moral calculation like that.
And so similarly, okay, the healthcare system has a lot of problems.
I don't disagree.
That doesn't mean you go around murdering people who are participating in the system.
ian crossland
I swear that you're right.
And the good guy, bad guy, stupid dichotomy, fake thing from the superhero movies and from winning and losing and like evil, good.
It's so terrifying to me that you can get people into lizard brain thinking they're doing something right by killing evil.
tim pool
What if we created a new government where if you wanted to vote, you had to pass some sort of intelligence test.
But it wasn't a test that was administered.
It's like there is a meritocratic threshold that once you cross, you then qualify for voting and governance.
ian crossland
Like getting 10,000 subscribers.
seamus coughlin
So here's what happens.
tim pool
It would be something meritocratic based on Your ability to articulate a script in the GPT?
No, a political position that makes sense and is relevant to the system at play.
seamus coughlin
Here's the base level before we even begin to question you: we ask how you'd feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning.
And if you can't deal with that hypothetical, and then if your answer is like, well, I would feel hungry, and also I'm currently rotating a 3D apple in my head.
And they're like, you get like 12 votes, dude.
You're way.
tim pool
And then Ian comes in and goes, I'm not just rotating the apple.
I've dissected it into 128 unique pieces and each are spinning.
Now I've analyzed them down to the quantum level.
And they're like, wow, this guy, right this way, and they bring him to a padded room.
ian crossland
You know, I think.
roger l simon
When I think about that, I say, whoa, that's interesting.
But you know, I wonder if the result would be better.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think when you know why.
roger l simon
I should die all these people with it.
tim pool
Okay, wait.
Better idea.
Everybody can vote, but we will have placed strategically around the country secret, I guess, auditors.
And then if you're like that woman the other day who walks up to the Zohran guy and says, wait, that can't be real.
He doesn't want to text white people.
And they go, he does.
No, this is wrong.
He goes, wait, sorry, ma'am.
I'm an auditor.
Your voter ID.
You can't vote anymore.
ian crossland
Spoke outside the system, miss.
seamus coughlin
No, what happens is you go on the whatever podcast.
And while you're on the whatever podcast, they go, this person can't vote.
This person is stupid.
roger l simon
This person's stupid.
tim pool
That's actually the test: if you can't beat a 20-year-old e-girl in a debate, you don't get the vote anymore.
seamus coughlin
That's a 20-year-old e-girl.
tim pool
Did you see the video?
Did you see the video where she was like, name three countries?
Yeah.
And then one's like, I can't.
seamus coughlin
Is that annoying?
tim pool
She said, what did she say?
Italy, China, France.
And she goes, you can't repeat Italy.
And she goes, I don't know.
And she's like, what's above us?
And she goes, I don't know.
ian crossland
What country are we in?
tim pool
Yes.
And then she goes, what's below us?
And she goes, Alaska.
ian crossland
Europe.
tim pool
Europe.
And then when they go, it's Mexico.
She goes, but isn't Mexico to the side?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
No voting for you.
seamus coughlin
Well, actually, no, she's not wrong because depending on how you tilt the earth, right?
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
It's all a matter of perspective.
roger l simon
Oh, so it depends on your perspective of where you're sitting.
ian crossland
I will say, this aligns with what you're saying.
roger l simon
Where in the universe are you?
ian crossland
About juries, man.
How just I live in the kind of a bubble, assuming people are not ignorant, that they all know.
roger l simon
Oh, no.
I mean, also, I was in two different kinds of juries.
I was on a criminal case and a business case.
Now, a business case is spookier because they don't understand anything about how businesses work.
Gosh.
So this is, and there's millions of dollars of lawsuits going on.
And you're sitting there and you're going, what is going on?
I mean, you're wondering what process you're involved with here.
ian crossland
Do you think the jury system would be better if it was like decentralized and there are pockets all around the place of jury pools that were all going to cast a vote on this?
So like it was televised, the trial, and that people all over would vote.
You'd have like 10,000 people would vote into their little pods.
30 here, 30 here, 30 here.
Hey, I like this idea.
tim pool
Let's do this.
Every criminal trial has that you can opt in to the public national trial system.
seamus coughlin
You text your vote in.
tim pool
And anybody, everybody in the country gets to vote whether you're innocent or guilty.
And that's just it.
And if everybody finds you guilty, that's it.
You're cooked.
But it's an option.
It's an option.
And so they televise the trial and they say, everybody text your verdict now during deliberations.
And then it'll be like, you know, ask the audience.
They'll go, and they'll be like, you're not guilty.
And the people of this country, we've got 7,392 votes.
Not guilty, it is.
And they'll make true crime podcasts about what you did and stuff like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And the AI.
roger l simon
Well, it's a good place for some corruption.
tim pool
No, I think you're substantially less likely to, if it's a true system where it's actually decentralized voting, it is a substantially higher chance of being corrected.
roger l simon
Oh, no, absolutely is.
I was being sarcastic, but it also is an opportunity for corruption.
ian crossland
Yeah, for like AI to kick the algorithm.
roger l simon
Not only that, you know, people being bribed for this, that, the other.
tim pool
See, we got to make this short film.
That's a great idea.
And it's like a guy gets arrested for murder.
Called jury pool.
They have the trial, and then everybody in the country watches.
roger l simon
Well, do you think Man Joan would get off then?
He might.
tim pool
Yes.
roger l simon
Because of the same reason.
ian crossland
He would come down.
roger l simon
Oh, it's the healthcare system.
It sucks.
ian crossland
I don't think this guy's going to get off.
I can't imagine that.
roger l simon
Well, you can't, but it possibly.
tim pool
Trump got convicted and he didn't even commit a crime.
ian crossland
Corruption could get him off, but it's the left case.
roger l simon
There's no legit case.
tim pool
Listen, legit case never existed one time, Ian.
Never once.
ian crossland
In the history of man?
tim pool
In the history of man, there has never been a legit case.
ian crossland
John Adams represented the British.
That was legit.
tim pool
The point I am making is, you need to watch Star Trek the Next Generation.
I'm sorry.
ian crossland
I've seen them all.
tim pool
Oh, so you know when it turns out Worf's father wasn't the traitor.
ian crossland
I don't remember him all.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
See, the issue was they didn't want to clear Worf's dad's name because it would have negatively impacted the political structure of Kronos.
So they said, look, we get it.
Your dad had honor, but we're not going to expose this because of things that exactly.
Order is more important.
And so that's what you will get in every single circumstance.
You can go before a judge being innocent, and the judge is going to go, we don't have time for this.
unidentified
Out.
tim pool
So there's two scenarios.
Let's say you're actually guilty, Ian.
You punched a woman in the face, and there's no, no, it's your versus theirs, and the cops arrested you.
And you go before the judge, and he says, they're offering you a plea deal.
Okay.
It's going to be one week and 20 hours of community service.
And you go, I want a jury trial.
They're going to go, a jury trial is going to cost us tens of thousands of dollars, waste all of our time.
And you go, jury trial or nothing.
And they're going to go, case dismissed.
Free to go.
Then there's the other circumstance where you are innocent, wrongly arrested, and you say, I want a jury trial.
And they're going to go, that's going to, here's the reality.
In most lesser crimes, requesting a jury trial can get your case dismissed outright.
If you've got a ticket, request a jury trial.
I want a jury trial.
They're going to be like, okay, dude, we don't want the 50 bucks.
You can go home.
Jury trial gets them to cave in two seconds because the system is not about actually finding justice.
It's mechanized.
Well, at some point, it was trying the best it could to get justice in these events.
But I'm telling you the same thing.
If there was a community of 100 people and they caught a guy from outside the community robbing a store or he was accused of it, the people who live there are going to say, listen, don't know, don't care.
I don't care about that guy.
He's guilty.
That was always going to be the case.
It was even with the fair system, which did a much, much better job, you are going to find that there'll be some guy who's, there's two people, the preacher's son and a stranger they don't know.
And they're going to be like, listen, my son's a good kid.
He made a mistake.
Just lock up the stranger.
We don't know who that person is and no one will be upset about it.
They'd say, okay.
ian crossland
Man, having an impartial thing is like another fantasy term.
tim pool
Luigi, look at this guy was arrested for calling for the assassination of Trump and he got acquitted in two hours.
Despite saying he wanted someone to drive, he'd pay for it.
He'd go there, all that stuff.
Man Jayone is going to play this game where he's the ambassador now.
They like him.
And he's going to go to each and every person and say, it was self-defense.
ian crossland
So he admitted killing the guy?
tim pool
No, I don't know where we're at with the case yet.
I'm saying the play the left will make is that he's not guilty by reason of self-defense.
And they're going to make some novel argument about when these systems are destroying the lives and killing people.
Sooner or later, someone tries to defend him.
And this man with his back problems that he had suffered and the insurance companies refusing to help him, they are responsible for the pain that he caused.
I mean, these are people who say healthcare is a human right.
Okay?
That's the angle they're going to play.
And what they're going to do is instead of arguing what is right and wrong, they're going to go to people and say, do you remember that time?
You know what?
Really great example is the family guy joke when Peter claimed that his proctology exam was rape.
You ever see this one?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
And then the doctor, yeah, yes.
tim pool
And he's like, he's like, do you remember, Judge, you got a proctology exam?
And he goes, as far as I can recall, it was a standard exam.
And he goes, are you sure?
Are you sure it wasn't terrifying in black and white with a thunderstorm?
And then he remembers back and it looked like a horror film.
He goes, he's guilty.
He's guilty.
They're going to play that game.
They're going to say, Luigi Mangioni was defending himself.
Don't you recall the last time you were on the phone with your health insurance provider?
And everyone is going to have one of these cases.
I don't know a single person who was like, I've only ever had great things happen.
roger l simon
This is the number one jury nullification case.
tim pool
Right.
Yep.
roger l simon
Exactly.
This is really sad.
What do you think about it?
tim pool
They're going to get him on gun possession in New York.
They're going to be like, okay, well, if not the murder, then possession.
And everyone's going to go, sure.
And he's going to get a couple years time served.
unidentified
Yep.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I mean, I don't, that's a wild.
roger l simon
And he's going to get a lot of girlfriends.
ian crossland
I've seen women talking.
roger l simon
He's got him already.
tim pool
But to be fair, serial killers get girlfriends either way.
Women love murderers.
I'm not joking.
roger l simon
I know you're not.
It's a very well-known phenomenon.
tim pool
Just do a jury of all women and they're going to get this guy off simply because they like the way he looks.
roger l simon
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
I'd like to see the evidence in the case because if he admits to killing the guy, you can't let him off.
tim pool
Yes, you can't, but they're going to do it anyway.
In the Donald Trump felony case, Trump was not even accused of instructing someone to falsify documents.
Here's the case in New York.
Donald Trump ran a company in a campaign.
His lawyer took it upon himself to pay off Stormy Daniels because I just kind of knew what Trump wanted.
Trump never told me to do it, though.
Okay, Trump's guilty.
That's what happened.
What crime was Trump accused of covering up?
We don't know.
ian crossland
You know, the Trump stuff, I don't even know if it's worth pushing.
I'm going to push back a little, is that he was a high-value political target during that time period.
This guy's a hypothetical murderer.
Nobody, like a guy off the street.
It's not a political.
tim pool
They make saint candles of him, bro.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They dress up in Luigi costumes.
ian crossland
It was Fauci, too, but he ain't loved.
tim pool
And Fauci's also not going to go to prison.
How about that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Anyway, my friends.
unidentified
That's worse.
tim pool
We are going to go to the backstage chats.
So chat now.
Any of your questions?
We'll start reading those.
We'll grab them up in real time.
This is the Friday special show.
If you want to join and watch Backstage from 1 until 4 p.m.
Every Friday, we're experimenting.
This is our second week trying it out.
It's actually going pretty well.
Make sure you go to TimCast.com.
Join the Discord server, my friends.
Unity and community is our strength, right?
That was plural, so it should have been R, but I'm saying community is our strength.
If you guys want to join a community of tens of thousands of individuals and you want to fight back and preserve what you believe in, join our Discord server and you'll get access to the backstage pass on Fridays where you can then send in your conversation and we're going to read your chats, which will be very fun and we'll do it now.
ian crossland
I figured out what my government style is.
It's unism, not comm.
tim pool
Unism.
ian crossland
Junism.
Unity, community.
It's instead of communism.
It's just unism.
tim pool
You just beat people until they claim they agree with each other.
ian crossland
They just all agree with me anyway.
I don't need to beat anybody.
That's right.
It all works.
seamus coughlin
Unism.
tim pool
All right.
We got this from Minty.
He says, I suspect the next civil war, after one kicks off first, inspiring others, will be spanning the entire West and will culminate into a pseudo-Reconquista in which Islam and wokeism will be forced out and outlawed across the West.
What say you?
seamus coughlin
That would be amazed if we could do it.
If we could force leftism and is a lot, here's the thing about leftism.
This is what I want everyone to remember.
I've said this before, I'll say it again.
Leftism is the ideological rationalization that is given to social decay.
It's not just some ideology that creeps in or can be pushed out.
As soon as people start neglecting the duties necessary to fulfill, given their state in life, you have left and they start rationalizing it with arguments.
That's leftism.
That's always what leftism is.
And it's always.
roger l simon
That's a very good observation.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
roger l simon
I have to say.
ian crossland
Do you think that some version of leftism is valuable?
seamus coughlin
No.
unidentified
Like the idea of thinking outside the box is good.
tim pool
No, it is.
No.
And confined in a small cage as a reminder of what could be so that people never deviate from the functioning system.
ian crossland
Rightism is some rightism is good.
seamus coughlin
Rightism is morally complicated.
What I would say is this: everywhere that the left has ever come to power throughout history, they've slaughtered innocent Christians.
The only time the left has not done that is when they've been marginalized by a strong enough right-wing movement to prevent them from doing that.
roger l simon
People who aren't Christian, too.
seamus coughlin
No, no, 100%, 100%.
But the reason I think it's important to emphasize Christian is because the left came to be with the French Revolution.
That's where we get the terms left and right from.
And the left was there to slaughter Christians.
They abused nuns, murdered priests, and also murdered nuns.
Their whole goal from the beginning has been to oppose the Catholic Church and the church's interests and to slaughter innocent people.
And so resistance to that is going to be a good thing, but that doesn't always mean the right is going to have good political goals.
It just means the left's political goals are always going to be bad.
ian crossland
Because the left is about overthrowing tradition and the right is about maintaining tradition.
But if you maintain, if you want to.
seamus coughlin
Well, the right is about the left.
ian crossland
A problem with the right, maybe that could come about is that they obsess over tradition for the sake of it.
Because just because they don't want to get rid of it, because they're so tired of the left breaking up tradition, and it's a tradition that maybe should be gone.
seamus coughlin
Well, here's the thing.
I don't think so.
The left is always going to be terrible.
The right is going to be good insofar as it adheres to truth.
The right is always basically going to be what we call any force that's fighting the left.
And sometimes the forces that fight in the left aren't great, but they're generally going to be better than the left because, again, the left just wants to slaughter innocent people.
So I wouldn't agree that the right is always good or anything like that.
I think the right is just what we call the force that opposes the left.
In some countries, they have good, healthy right-wing movements.
In other countries, they have stupid, silly right-wing movements.
roger l simon
Or they have both.
seamus coughlin
Or both, or both.
tim pool
Let's read this one from what I'm saying.
What we got here from IDK.
He says, you guys often misspeak when describing AI, saying things like it learns from the internet.
I'm going to pause there.
Actually, one of the big controversies is that ChatGPT and Grok were compiling data from Reddit and Wikipedia.
They're Redditors.
Right.
And X. It is a fact that X was compiling training data from X posts.
And so when they turned off the weird woke articles, it went griper.
So this is true.
It does this.
He goes on to say, ever consider having a mid-level AI expert on someone that actively works in the field and isn't doing theoretical or high-level.
The actual agentic systems behind these things are making a huge difference in how you engage.
Example, GPT API responds drastically different than the website version.
Same for most web-based AI systems, due to the fact you aren't talking to one single AI in those places.
Indeed, there are third-party video generation sites that can use Sora 2 and the GPT AI to make things that otherwise ChatGPT wouldn't allow you to do.
So if you go on Sora and say you want to make a video, but it's offensive, it'll tell you, I can't do this.
But if you use a third party that pays into the API, it'll do it for you.
So that's because they're concerned about having something attached to their brand.
ian crossland
Is that how they get like Mr. Rogers and there's history Tupac and all that?
Okay.
tim pool
Well, so early on with Sora 2, they didn't have these restrictions.
They've added them since then, so now it's harder to do.
But there are a bunch of these services you could Google, and it's expensive, but you can make a video they will not make.
You can get it to say things that GPT normally would not say.
seamus coughlin
Indeed.
Yeah.
tim pool
But yes, we would consider having that person on.
It would be a great culture war show.
seamus coughlin
That'd be amazing to talk to an AI expert.
It's just sad because some of these people, some of these people are loony.
Like you'll talk to an AI expert who'll say, it's alive.
It feels things.
I'm like, be quiet.
That's ridiculous.
But insofar as they know about the technological infrastructure behind it, that's got to be a fascinating topic.
roger l simon
Has anybody gone on the new Wikipedia version that Domusk is doing?
tim pool
It's called Gracopedia.
It's fantastic.
roger l simon
Is it?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Almighty Buffalo says, Seamus, do the promo for Twisted Plot like Tim has prescribed, and I'll go do my part to fund Twisted Plots.
seamus coughlin
Listen, I'm just doing it sincerely from the heart.
tim pool
Bro, you should.
No, wait, no, dude.
ian crossland
He's prompting you like you're an AI.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Listen, if you guys want to help build the future of entertainment, if you want right-wing media, if you want to push back against the left's monopoly on entertainment, support Twisted Plots.
That's what we're doing.
I'm not trying to get caught up with the exact right way to present it or the exact right way to say it.
If you guys want to help us create the show, you want to help us create the future, go to twistedplots.com, give us $25.
We're making an awesome show.
And you guys are going to love it.
It's going to help fight the culture war.
tim pool
You got to go like this.
Good evening, America.
Allow me to first apologize for this interruption.
I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition.
I enjoy them as much as any bloke.
In the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.
There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak.
I suspect even now orders are being shed into telephones and men with guns will soon be on their way.
And then you got to show like woke people and like.
seamus coughlin
I'm not supposed to call them blokes.
Remember that?
What's like this?
ROI on calling people blokes.
tim pool
Remember those leftists who had weapons and took pictures of themselves posing in Portland?
You got to show that.
And then you've got to mention, so you say is where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and black lesbians in every show on Netflix.
How did this happen?
Who's to blame?
Well, certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and you can show like Dylan Mulvaney.
roger l simon
Well, the black lesbians are reproducing very fast.
tim pool
And then you say, there were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense.
unidentified
What is this?
tim pool
Wokeness got the best.
This is the quote.
This is the whole speech that V gives.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Wokeness got the best of you.
And in your panic, you turned to the now high Netflix CEO or Kathleen Kennedy at Disney.
And then you can say, you just get bad.
I think it'd be really great.
seamus coughlin
But you've got to say, you want me to quote, you want me to do a V for Vendetta monologue?
tim pool
If you see as I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, I'm going to ask you to stand beside me at twistedplots.com.
And together we shall fund a show that shall never be forgotten.
seamus coughlin
In my own words, we're creating the future of entertainment.
It's got to be grassroots.
It's got to be right wings.
We're making an awesome show.
We're pushing back against the left.
See for yourself.
The pilot's available if you support a twisted plot.
tim pool
Hold on.
So Seamus and I did work on this the other night for a gag video that also.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, don't spoil it.
Andre, but you should also do that.
tim pool
It's very funny next week.
You should show a parody version of V for Vendetta where the TV screens change from.
Okay, so here.
seamus coughlin
Guy Fox was a Catholic theocrat.
The left tries to own him.
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
So what you do is you have him actually say that.
ian crossland
Is Twisted Plots like twisted, like dark?
seamus coughlin
Well, it's a play on, it's like plot twists, right?
But also, it's an anthology series.
So some of the humor is kind of dark, and the scenarios are just crazy different scenarios for us to explore every week.
ian crossland
Is it like Black Mirror?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's like an anthology series.
ian crossland
Okay, have me on, man.
seamus coughlin
It's a cart.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm going to read this.
roger l simon
I'm going to have a look at it.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
tim pool
We got Saint Misfit here who says, Tim asked if MAGA, MAGA, or the general right wing would be willing to engage in coercive violence, fraud.
It's coercive force, by the way.
Fraud or cheating election.
In other words, the classic Aristotle anarchistic libertarian view is that democracy itself is coercive violence.
Two wolves and a sheep voting for what's for dinner.
So voting could be defensive violence.
I've never said coercive violence.
I said coercive force.
In that case, rigging an election couldn't be any more wrong than voting.
And in that case, I've never argued that either.
In that case, which we were voting to reduce the state, reduce the coercive violence, rigging would actually be ethically justifiable.
You can't commit crimes against a criminal organization.
My argument is about coercive force.
That means there are various types of force, how you can make something, someone do something you want.
You can coerce them, like, if you don't, I will do a bad thing.
There's manipulative force, which is, oh, you actually always wanted to do a bad thing.
That thing is good for you, tricking them.
And physical violence to coerce them into doing it by, I'm going to beat you now and then beating them.
And then until they say, please stop, I'll do what you want.
My point with the voting is, if there are evil people who have said, we've corrupted your system, we control the Senate, and we will purge the Jedi, would you then say, he must be stopped?
He's too evil.
The Sith control everything.
Would you be willing to do it?
Well, the reality is, if a Sith lord controls the galactic Senate and you just say, we will go through the system by which he controls, then you lose.
That was Mace Window.
I'm not saying he was right.
Anakin was also dumb.
Mace Window was dumb because he should have been like, okay, Anakin, we'll try him.
And then when Anakin turned around, he could have killed him then.
You know what I mean?
But my point ultimately is: if you are unwilling to use force to defend your system, your system will cease to exist.
Fact.
It's just a fact.
I'm not saying it'll cease immediately, but at some point, it will be destroyed by those who are willing to use force.
unidentified
You create a protective bubble that requires force.
ian crossland
And then also that guy at the very end of his chat said you can't do crime against a criminal organization, but that's not true.
You can definitely commit crimes against criminals.
tim pool
Indeed.
Yes.
roger l simon
The mafia.
tim pool
All right.
Well, there you go.
Moving on, we got Ron Kway.
He says, do you guys think that these cases against BLM will actually get anywhere?
It seems like all those retribution, all this retribution is very slow going.
They haven't announced a bunch and we haven't really seen action.
If they have these cases in liberal jurisdictions, they will all be acquitted with smiles on their faces.
roger l simon
Well, I think, yeah, I think they know that too at the DOJ.
I mean, I'm sure Cash knows that.
But on the other hand, the guy's question is right.
You know, I mean, we can't hold our breath on this.
tim pool
Indeed.
Let's see.
unidentified
What do we got here?
tim pool
I don't know.
What is this?
ian crossland
You figured it out.
unidentified
Otherwise, I'm going to start talking about communism.
tim pool
Here we go.
Wow.
So earlier this morning, the FBA announced they'd stopped a terror attack.
It's now being revealed that was an ISIS-connected Halloween terror attack in Dearborn, Michigan.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Wow.
Shout out to Raven Margaret for that chat, posting the link from Jack Pezobit.
roger l simon
You're right in the belly of the beast at Dearborn.
I mean, a terror attack in the back.
And I started to figure it out.
Was the attack going to be in Dearborn?
I guess.
But Dearborn is, you know, essentially isympathetic.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
It's their own backyard.
roger l simon
Yeah.
So I don't know what the.
seamus coughlin
All right.
tim pool
We got Dr. Tenner Sheriff says blackjack is the only casino game you can get thrown out of, thrown out for being too good.
Stephen Bridges is a magician who learned to count cards and has a bunch of videos on his YouTube channel where he traveled America with a team.
It's a fun watch.
Indeed, you will get thrown out for being too good at blackjack because blackjack is one of the best games in a casino as the lowest edge.
seamus coughlin
It's like 50%, right?
tim pool
Your chance, the edge of the house is like 0.53.
roger l simon
What's the edge in craps?
This is very low, too.
tim pool
0.7.
It might be like either, I think it might be 1-ish, 1.1.
roger l simon
That's what I used to do when I gambled simply because I was too lazy to count cards.
tim pool
The best bet in a casino is the odds bet on a craps line.
So if you play the pass line and then bet odds, it has zero edge.
roger l simon
Yeah.
tim pool
It pays straight up.
And then there's always the best room in the casino, the one room that isn't gambling, and that's the poker room.
roger l simon
Yes.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's psychology.
roger l simon
Yeah, that's like, and that's where I really got nervous.
tim pool
This is the funniest thing.
Anybody who thinks that poker is gambling, let's play double board PLO, you versus me, $1,000 buy-in.
And we'll see how much money you walk away with.
Because most people are going to go, I don't know what PLO is.
unidentified
What is it?
tim pool
What is double board?
Pot Limit Omaha.
So we're going to play a double board pot limit Omaha game.
You try and this is the point.
People don't understand what poker is.
They think poker is sitting down at a table and playing blackjack.
unidentified
It's not.
Not at all.
Nope.
tim pool
80% of winning hands are not the best hand.
And famously, Phil Helmuth joked.
I don't know if he was joking.
He claimed he would fold Aces pre-flop because in an instance where someone raises against you in a tournament, and he's considered to be one of the best tournament players.
He has more bracelets than any other poker player.
He's won more tournaments at the pro level.
Aces is the best hand.
Everyone says, you get it, you raise until you're all in.
He said, no, I'd fold him because you get free chips from people when you play aggressively against them.
So why enter into a position where you have any chance of losing?
And everyone said he was crazy and it's stupid.
I think it's kind of crazy to say that the greatest tournament player or the tournament player with the most amount of wins is wrong.
And I've actually argued this point too.
If you're playing a cash game, especially, I was saying this the other last week with Elod, fold queens pre-flop.
And Queens is the third best possible hand you could be dealt, but you still have a 20% chance to lose.
Just fold them.
Why gamble?
So here's how it goes down in a typical poker hand.
Majority of hands are going to go like this.
I get dealt cards.
I'm in an advantageous position.
I look down, hand is good.
Let's call it ace queen suited.
Not bad.
So it's a one-two game.
I bet $20.
I get two callers.
There's now $40 addition to the pot with a total of 60 plus.
Maybe the blind's called.
So you're looking at, I don't know, 63 bucks.
The chances of someone connecting with the board is like one in three, which means between these players, I can bet the size of the pot if I don't even connect with it and they're going to fold.
And I get that money without ever having actual show the cards, do a calculation or anything like that.
It's called a continuation bet.
And when you play aggressive, most of the time, they'll just fold and you get the money and you never have to bother.
You can do this with literally any hand.
It's not gambling.
I mean, you can argue it's gambling in that people might call you, they might connect.
Fine.
But you don't even need to actually use the cards.
So you get seven deuce, same play.
You get aces, same play.
And then the reality is with stronger hands, you're entering into these bets and raising the bets because you actually have a very high chance of winning.
So anyway, shout out to Helmuth, who actually said, you could do it.
You could do it.
roger l simon
I haven't played poker in a long time.
used to play but right now with those new cheating things that have been oh yeah Whoa, I would be very nervous in any game.
You know, well, okay, lose $30, fine.
But any kind of really significant level, you're going to start wondering whether somebody's got a video camera hidden somewhere that you're not even seeing.
tim pool
Yeah, they're doing all sorts of crazy stuff.
But the thing about those cheating cases is that it proves that those guys were dumb as a box of rocks and didn't understand poker because you don't cheat that way to win poker.
That was the mafia being like, I don't actually know how poker works.
So let's get camera machines.
The reality, cheating and poker is super easy.
If we were at a poker table and we got five players, which is low, and I wanted to cheat, I would just say to Ian, you and I are on a team.
Anytime you jam, I'll jam.
At the end of the night, we'll split our money.
That gives us two to one odds against any player who tries to bet against them.
And so here's what happens.
And people run tables like this.
They run teams.
Let's say I get dealt a moderately good hand and then you raise.
Ian looks at it, has a moderately good hand and says, okay, I'm all in.
Okay, so he's up against you.
We don't know what he's got.
He could have ACEs.
I'll go all in.
That gives us a greater than 50% chance of beating you and taking all your money, even with the best-handed poker.
roger l simon
Yeah, no, it's true.
tim pool
That's how you cheat.
So the idea that they got these rigged machines and did all this shit, it's laughably absurd.
Anyway, let's grab some more.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
At Moore says, Tim Cass, thank you for bringing the show to the Discord.
Many ideas.
I have more great ideas.
You have a ton of talent in Discord.
You don't have to look too far for talent and ideas.
Explore and use this pool of talent.
Indeed, excellent post.
Everybody should join the Discord.
The challenge is management.
We have talked quite a bit about game development and art and all of that stuff that the Discord community needs to be involved in.
The challenge is getting proper management, but we've been working on it.
As you've noticed, we've done the 6 p.m. call-in shows with our third chair hosts.
So we are working on it, building it up.
And the idea went a long time ago was to release the code to our video game to the Discord to finish it.
I don't know what happened.
I know a lot of people say they wish I was more involved in managing it, but I have to manage literally everything.
seamus coughlin
That's too much.
tim pool
I have to host the shows, produce the shows three to four per day, as well as, and this week, even this week, it was difficult with Slow News.
I didn't get very many Tim Pool shows up, which is the new channel.
And then I've got to manage the boonies, negotiate, and work with the team on the ad sales, products, cash brew, all of this stuff.
Then there's the other shows.
Then I have family time.
So it's just, it's increasingly difficult to do.
ian crossland
We got to get the code to Discord for sure.
tim pool
I thought we already did.
ian crossland
I think we didn't.
I think there was some sort of legal behavior.
tim pool
It was the Freedom Tunes game.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
It's still.
tim pool
NormieQuest.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
seamus coughlin
We were working on NormieQuest.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And the art was there and the characters were there and the items were there.
ian crossland
It should be free.
tim pool
You could play the game right now and it was fun.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
There were good physics.
It could be a really good base.
seamus coughlin
There was a lot that was really, really fun about that.
tim pool
All right.
We've got Guido Tard says, Anderson County, South Carolina is trying to get people to vote yes on the fourth to add a penny tax, a sales tax increase.
Those who want it are using the threat of an increase in property tax.
I see this as extortion personally.
Our roads are a mess, and this is what they claim the tax is for.
How do we get people to see this and vote for these corrupt idiots out of office?
You can't because they're offering free stuff to people.
This is the problem of this system.
Now, the problem with monarchy is any kind of unilateral control or autocratic control, you'll get someone who's cruel and inept.
There's no guarantee you get a good person.
The benefit is maybe one day you get a magnanimous, noble, intelligent king, philosopher king, who can actually do a good job.
But then what?
Who's the next king?
The chairman?
Exactly.
The problem with democracy is you get locked in the system and there's no way to break out of it.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
I just don't, there's no real good answer.
ian crossland
For what?
What was the question?
tim pool
People keep voting against their interest and we're getting taxed into oblivion.
Taxes will go up to their 100 and this will explode.
ian crossland
Yeah, it might seem like it's free stuff, but at what cost?
seamus coughlin
Amen.
tim pool
All right, we got another one here.
This one is from Royal Beasts.
He says, can't Republicans do what California is trying to do and temporarily remove the filibuster for a few years like New Skim is trying to do for this Cali election?
And Elon Musk is on the new Joe Rogan episode.
Elon Musk again.
Should be interesting to hear about the AI stuff.
I don't care about temporarily removing it.
Get rid of it.
The idea is: don't let Democrats win.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
Remove the filibuster.
Use all the power you can.
Democrats never win another election.
Don't let them win.
All right.
Burt says: Given that the judge who indicated she'll force Trump to pay for food stamps was approved 94-0 by the Senate, among other examples, how can we hold the GOP senators accountable without losing any ground?
You know, look, with all due respect to Senator Rand Paul, these senators cannot even tread too far outside the line, otherwise, I'll never get elected again.
So I bring on a pundit or a political personality, and they can say something like, Yep, Snap's got to go.
I bring on Senator and he says, Look, it's not a good system, but we got to wean off it.
I don't want it to stop.
roger l simon
Exactly, because they're working for other people.
tim pool
Here's your answer: abolish the 17th.
Then the senators aren't beholden to a popular vote.
They're appointed by a legislature, and so there's much less pressure, and they can say whatever they want.
And the state legislature can recall them if it gets bad enough, but then you'll have senators actually representing states.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Trucking vet says two comments for the panel, if they like.
A quote from Rush: Never underestimate the Republican Party's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
Constitutional amendments are the result of a great deal of momentum.
That said, would the panel be willing to start making waves for one amendment that repeals the 16th and 17th amendments and renders this repeal irrevocable?
You can't do that, though.
You can't say you can never amend it.
It can always be amended.
The 16th allows Congress to levy an income tax on individuals and corporations without apportioning it among the states based on population.
Bad.
17th allows the popular vote for the Senate.
Also very bad.
So yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
roger l simon
Yeah, the Senate one's more important, I think.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
roger l simon
At this point.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
I think we got time for one more.
Let's see.
We got this one from GSS Terror.
I know a legal way to get AOC out of office.
Is she better in office or would it be worse if she wasn't in office, being campaigning-wise, and having all of this free time?
I don't know.
She shouldn't be in office.
She's a bad member of Congress.
roger l simon
Well, she has all the free time anyway.
Being in office is free time.
tim pool
Right.
They spend almost all their day.
Like I was talking to my wife about this, and she was like, I was explaining to her that members of Congress don't actually do that, don't work.
They campaign.
That's all they do.
roger l simon
And raise money.
tim pool
So what happened was we were talking about how they'll always vote for food stamps.
And I said, every member of Congress, not a single one is going to come out and say, vote for me.
I'll take your benefits away.
And then she was like, yes, but what are the ones who already are elected?
And I'm like, the election's every two years.
They don't stop campaigning ever.
roger l simon
Ever.
tim pool
Ever.
So, you know, we're trapped.
But my friends, this has been Friday Backstage IRL.
Thank you so much for hanging out.
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Roger, do you want to shout anything out?
roger l simon
No, I want to come back.
That was a lot of fun.
And I want to come back when my book comes out so that I can hype it.
But not just that.
I'm a little worried about people reading.
I think reading should come back in a big wave because it's TikTok out.
Food for the brain.
tim pool
Amen.
seamus coughlin
It will after society collapses.
ian crossland
Reading good stuff because it's like a form of brainwashing.
And sometimes washing is a very good thing to do.
tim pool
Indeed.
Where can people find you?
roger l simon
Well, not yet.
They'll find it on Amazon, of course.
I've got a whole bunch of books on Amazon if they want to catch up.
I mean, you're right.
This is going to be my 15th book.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
Right on for you.
tim pool
What's going on, Ian?
ian crossland
Well, I got Roger.
I got your X account.
You said you are not always on Real Roger Simon on X in case people are going to follow you on AX.
roger l simon
But the substack I have is much more important.
You know, you can just Google Roger Simon substacking.
ian crossland
Oh, right on.
unidentified
Boom.
ian crossland
Okay, thanks, Roger.
And I'm at Ian Crossland.
You find me at Ian Crossland on X, you know, all the websites, YouTube and Instagram.
I've been working heavily on AI and getting ready to go produce a graphene documentary down at Rice University where I'm going to electrocute some carbon, create some hydrogen gas, release some fuel, you know?
tim pool
Just don't get caught by the radioactive piece of graphene, otherwise you might become graphene man.
ian crossland
I can't promise that I'm not going to turn into a superhero.
So I'll see you after I get back if I don't see you beforehand.
Catch you later.
seamus coughlin
Guys, my name is Seamus Coughlin.
I have produced over 700 animated videos.
I've gained over a million subscribers and 290 million views with zero dollars spent on marketing.
The left currently owns and dominates the most advanced and effective infrastructure for storytelling that has ever existed throughout all of history, which is a complete disaster because people form their opinions based on the stories that they see.
We are pushing back against that, not only through the short cartoons that we've been doing for Freedom Tunes, but also now by branching out into making a full-length animated show.
We've already got the 25-minute long pilot fully animated.
If you want to see that, you can go to twistedplots.com and support our show.
The future of entertainment needs to be grassroots.
It needs to be right-wing.
It needs to be created by people who don't hate you, who don't hate your family, and who aren't going to use it for destructive purposes to chip away at your society, but to build civilization up.
So go over to twistedplots.com and support us before it's too late.
Twisted Plots, we've got two weeks left.
Twistedplots.com, give us $25.
We've got the team.
We've got the infrastructure.
We've got the track record and the experience.
Give me your support and we will be unstoppable.
tim pool
Give them $50.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
tim pool
There's an old saying, Seamus, it's you get what you ask for.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, say, give me $100.
And then you want to add what's called the sense of urgency.
If you don't, the world will explode.
seamus coughlin
Well, I hate to break it to you.
The world won't explode, but we've got two weeks left, and the left dominates entertainment.
And if we don't do something about that, they're going to destroy the country.
There's zero question about it.
We have to fight back.
I'm fighting back.
Very few people in the entertainment sphere are fighting back in an effective right-wing way.
We are.
Go to twistedplots.com and support us.
Don't give your money to Netflix or Paramount for your entertainment.
Help us create the future of entertainment.
roger l simon
Twin Eastwood's getting pretty old.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
This has been Backstage IRL Special.
Thank you guys so much for hanging out.
We're, of course, going to have segments throughout the weekend.
We're back on Monday.
It's going to be great.
We've got a bunch of awesome guests next week.
It's going to get pretty wild.
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