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EPSTEIN Files DROP, FBI GOES ROGUE, AG Says They COVERED UP Epstein Case w/Amber Duke | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Today, the Epstein files dropped, but it's a large nothing burger.
		Sorry, guys.
		Thanks for watching.
		Have a nice day.
		Smash a like button on your way out, and there's no...
		No, I'm kidding.
		So, surprised was I when I see this photo of the White House with a ton of influencers, many of whom, like, I think every single one of them have been on the show, and they're all holding up binders.
		The Epstein files, phase one.
		Well, sure enough, an unnamed source reached out to me and basically gave me the entire scoop on how this all went down.
		This was not a planned event.
		I believe none of the influencers went to the White House knew they would be handed this packet, this binder.
		The information was embargoed until a certain amount of time, though some people still were able to, did leak and release the information ahead of time.
		The information released is new, a lot of it.
		But it's largely being viewed as not much.
		Now, the real story is that the AG Pan Bondi released a letter effectively saying the Southern District of New York FBI field office has gone rogue, has ignored her orders, defied her as the AG and refused to turn over evidence and thousands of pages of Epstein documents.
		There's a lot of conspiracies swirling around how this went down, but based on the information that I have gathered from numerous individuals, this looks like a stunt of some sort.
		That there was an intention to drum up some PR around the Epstein files, and there's a few theories.
		One, that the SDNY has gone rogue, and thus the AG is trying to find a way to generate public sentiment that would allow them to make a move against them to get these documents.
		According to this letter, the Epstein files should be in the hands...
		of the AG by tomorrow at 8 a.m., but that doesn't mean they will be released.
		Another view is that this stunt was done to buy time for the AG to be able to go through these documents or delay their release.
		And lastly, the big conspiracy is this stunt was performed to throw SD and Southern District of New York under the bus so that they can later claim the documents had been destroyed.
		As we had already heard earlier in the week, a whistleblower said the FBI had been destroying Epstein evidence.
		Then, A week from now or whatever, as the conspiracy theorists believe, Pam Bondi or someone in the government is going to come out and be like, oh no, oh, they've destroyed all the evidence.
		We really don't know.
		But I'm going to give you the full details the best I can.
		We also have a bunch of other news, of course.
		We've got a crazy story about a trans individual who was arrested trying to plant bombs.
		At a Tesla dealership, which we'll talk about for sure.
		And I've got to be honest, we're largely going to be going over much of this Epstein stuff.
		Cash Patel is chiming in.
		We've got information on Thomas Crooks.
		He potentially had an accomplice.
		A lot of stuff is coming out.
		We'll go through all this.
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		And I do mean it right now.
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		And considering we've got some insider information on what went down to the White House, I'm going to tell you the full details, the full story.
		I was actually in contact with several of these individuals, as many of them are friends of the show, and it looks like a setup.
		Oh, yeah.
		Wait till you hear this one.
		Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have Amber Duke.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Hi, everybody.
		Amber Duke here.
		I'm the senior editor for The Daily Caller, the co-host of Free Media at Reason, and the co-host of The Hills Rising.
		You can check out my book, The Snowflakes Revolt, How Woke Millennials Hijacked American Media.
		Glad to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We also have Mary hanging out.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Hello, everyone.
		I'm back.
		You would normally find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast.
		Please like me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What's up, everybody?
		My name's Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
		Let's go.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ladies and gentlemen, let's get started with the letter in question.
		So earlier today, I saw this viral photo of many individuals that were holding up these Epstein binders.
		Can we pull this one up?
		So this is a letter that was accompanying the binders themselves.
		It's a letter from A.G. Pamela Bondi.
		And it reads, Late yesterday I learned from a source that the FBI field office in New York was in possession of thousands of pages of documents related to the investigation and indictment of
		Epstein.
		Despite my repeated requests, the FBI never disclosed the existence of these files.
		When you and I spoke yesterday, you were just as surprised as I was to learn this new information.
		By 8 a.m. tomorrow, February 28th, the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files to my office, including all records, documents, audio and video recordings and materials related to Jeffrey Epstein and his clients, regardless of how such information was obtained.
		There will be no withholdings or limitations to my or your access.
		The Department of Justice will ensure that any public disclosure of these files will be done in a matter to protect the privacy of victims and in accordance with the law.
		As I have done my entire career as a prosecutor, I am also directing you to conduct an immediate investigation into why my order to the FBI was not followed.
		You will deliver to me a comprehensive report of your findings and proposed personal personnel action within 14 days.
		I appreciate your immediate attention to this matter, to this important matter.
		I know that we are both committed to transparency for the American people, and I look forward to continuing to work with you to serve our president and our country.
		Now, the information that's come out so far has since been published on Justice.gov.
		Attorney General Pamela Bondi releases first phase of declassified Epstein files.
		When the files first were released in these binders, the individuals at the White House were instructed there would be an embargo.
		And this means, for those that aren't familiar, you cannot release this until a certain date or time.
		It was supposed to be a couple hours after they received these binders, they could start releasing information.
		Many people began to wonder why it was.
		A number of these influencers had very similar statements about transparency and the greatest, most transparent administration, despite not actually releasing any of this information.
		Later on the day, only a few hours ago, several of these individuals began to scan and publish these files.
		Interestingly, as an aside...
		I saw Laura Loomer working very hard to get these documents released, working with Haya Reichich, who had one of these binders, and they kept getting suspended on these various platforms for some reason or another.
		They did eventually get released, and then we actually have the Justice Department publishing all of the information, which are largely flight logs.
		An evidence list, a contact book, and a masseuse list, which is presumably victims.
		Let me give you the quick breakdown, as it was told to be by a couple different individuals who attended.
		You may have seen the photos.
		Actually, I wonder if I have the photo I can pull up somewhere.
		I do, in fact, have one of the photos.
		This is an image of, we've got DC Drano, we've got Haya Rychik, we've got Liz Wheeler, Mike Cernovich, all holding up these binders that read Epstein Files, Phase 1. Now, I've spoken with a handful of these people.
		Some are very happy, some are a little bit perturbed.
		It appears that this was a PR stunt.
		So let me give you the breakdown.
		This was not a planned event as far as I know.
		You may be thinking, how come Tim wasn't there at that event?
		Well, it wasn't a planned event.
		This was, at some point, several individuals were invited to do a meet and greet and talk with the press team in the White House.
		None of them had any idea that they would be handed, or at least as far as I know, the individuals I've spoken to, none of them had any idea that they'd be handed these binders.
		When they were, they were told that there was an embargo until something was going to happen related to the release.
		So don't show off anything that's in it.
		Now, the question then becomes, how do these photos emerge?
		Well, I can only assume, based on the fact the White House has numerous exits.
		And the fact they handed very big binders to prominent conservative influencers, the intention was to lead them out where the press was and get the press to take all of these photos, thus creating a massive press storm for this.
		At the same time, this letter was released and ended up dropping earlier than the embargo was supposed to be.
		And the letter...
		Doesn't need to exist.
		Many people have rightly questioned this.
		Why would the attorney general write a letter to Kash Patel where she literally says, I talked to you yesterday?
		You don't need to do that.
		She could simply send him a text message.
		That would imply the purpose of this letter was to create public notification that with the release of this letter and conservative influencers getting access to it, the public would be made aware that the attorney general is deeply.
		Angered by the fact that the Southern District of New York, the FBI field office, was intentionally withholding Epstein documents in defiance of the AG's order.
		There's a lot of conspiracies running around as to why this is.
		I'm going to go with Occam's razor.
		I believe SDNY is deeply corrupt.
		This is the same office that was going after James O'Keefe.
		This is New York where they went after Trump with fake criminal charges.
		I do not believe these people are honest and I believe that it is reasonable to assume.
		FBI New York has gone rogue.
		That is, they're defying the orders of this elected government and the Attorney General.
		And thus, if I was going to make an assumption, obviously, I think it's fair to say this is a PR maneuver.
	That's why the letter exists.
	Otherwise, it doesn't need to.
	Having these influencers with millions of followers plus combined being photographed by the press in every direction, that can't be an accident.
	I think what happens is...
	Pam Bondi knows SDNY is rogue and is defying her orders and instructions.
	But how do you deal with these people if she comes out and says, we're going to send in the troops and go raid this office?
	First of all, you're going to get a huge backlash politically.
	It's going to generate confusion.
	And more importantly, they may scramble and begin to start destroying files.
	A move like this can put scrutiny on the office, making it very difficult for them to move things in or out without getting public attention, as she has just called them out directly as the office.
	Simply put, I believe that Pam Bondi wanted there to be a major press storm pertaining to the rogue office in New York to give them public support for actions against them so Kash Patel can move in without any kind of backlash, without any kind of evidence destruction, or at least to the best of their abilities, they could move in.
	I don't know for sure, but there are some people who believe the purpose of this is to scapegoat the Southern District of New York FBI office so that...
	In the coming days, when they eventually do not release the Epstein documents, which everyone's been demanding, they can say the evidence has been destroyed.
	Find a scapegoat patsy of some random lawyer or analyst and say he did it.
	And then who knows why.
	But I don't know for sure, so I'm curious.
	What the panel thinks.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was talking to Chad Prather earlier, who was one of the influencers who was there.
		I actually ran into him on my way to Newsmax in the elevator.
		And he was confirming what you said, that he did not think that he was going to the White House to get the Epstein files.
		They were there to meet with Vice President J.D. Vance to talk about messaging for the administration, the conservative movement.
		And basically this got dropped on their laps.
		They told them that they weren't supposed to open these binders until after they left the White House.
		One thing of note in here in these pictures that I'm seeing is that they're being escorted back from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, which is right next door to the White House and is where a lot of these meetings take place.
		And they go right to this area, which is known among the press corps as the sticks, which is where when foreign leaders, other politicians go to meet with the president, they will leave through the Oval Office door that's right there on the left where the Marines are standing.
		And the sticks are where they do interviews with the press.
		And that's where they took the photo op.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, wait.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They could have walked them out any other exit.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They could have taken them out through the EEOB street exit, or they could have just kept going past the press tents, what's known as Pebble Beach, where all the green tents are, where the correspondents do their interviews.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		But they took them over to the Oval, where the sticks are, and then had this huge photo op.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, it's a stunt.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what's the purpose of it?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I... So, I'm not as optimistic as you that this was all to just call out the SDNY. I think Pam Bondi overpromised a bit because she was on Jesse Waters last night talking about how this was all so sick and the first batch was going to come out, but she didn't hint that this was going to be...
		I mean, if you look at the masseuse list, for example, the entire thing is just blacked out, which is understandable because these are victims, right?
		You can't put out their names.
		But then all of the addresses, phone numbers, everything is all redacted.
		The only thing you get are the names in Epstein's address book.
		This is a guy with tons of money, tons of influence and access.
		Of course, everybody is in that access book, so it doesn't really tell us anything.
		The only thing of note, which Chad admitted to me, was this letter in the front of it.
		That they wanted to put out.
		But I think it's simultaneously putting the burden on SDNY, but also the Trump admin a little bit covering their butts because they have been promising these documents.
		I feel like if she didn't have the thousand documents that she's talking about on her desk, then she shouldn't have been making this big show of it until she had access to them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's interesting.
		Because I'm going to say it again, Occam's razor.
		What is the simple solution here?
		And what I should say is, it bears clarification, in the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be correct.
		That is, Pam Bondi overpromised on TV, probably unscripted, Jesse Waters, when she said, I've got it on my desk.
		And maybe it's just...
		You're on TV. There's no prompter.
		You're in the heat of the moment.
		And you just say, look, I got it on my desk.
		And they're like, you do?
		And then she went, oh crap, I've got some flight logs on my desk.
		Realized it was a big nothing burger and needed to figure something out.
		That seems to make sense.
		However, it's not necessarily the simplest of solutions.
		We know that, look, Southern District of New York went after James O'Keefe.
		This is the same.
		It's not the same office necessarily that went after Trump, but it is New York.
		In this same jurisdiction, essentially, at the state level, that went after Donald Trump with false charges.
		I am not surprised in the least bit to hear that the AG requested documents and they did not turn them over and are resisting because of all of the offices, this is the one that's presumed to be the most, well, there's two, the D.C. field office and I believe SDNY were considered to be deeply corrupt.
		So I do believe it's entirely possible that Pam Bondi was like, She got a call.
		Well, actually, let's pause.
		She did go on TV and said, I got the Epstein list on my desk.
		But the story is also that it wasn't until last night, I believe, that she got a call from a whistleblower saying there's more documents.
		So she did promise this would be it.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fair to say that the SDNY is probably doing what she's accusing them of.
		But I would say, you know, she did a press conference, I think it was last week, announcing that she was filing these charges against Letitia James and Kathy Hochul and the DMV guy in New York.
		And that got tons of press attention.
		So I don't know why she couldn't have done the exact same thing to levy the charges against the SDNY. Why do you have to trot out the influencers with this binder?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just did a quick search on this.
		This is the office where they were going after Eric Adams.
		And when Pam Bondi and the Trump administration instructed them to drop the charges, they started resigning en masse.
		Like, these people are deep, like, leftist ideologues.
		Maybe there's nothing related to the Epstein list.
		Maybe they're trying to find a way to purge out this ideologically driven office.
		Who knows?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I'll tell you, they're claiming, Pam Bondi says you will, the FBI will, she's basically telling Cash, like, I'm your boss, I want the FBI to give me these documents tomorrow morning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The question is, tomorrow, 12 hours from now, are they going to get them?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I really hope they do.
		I think that, I think there's a lot of people that are going to look at this and they're just going to feel like the administration is dodging.
		Yeah.
		And regardless of...
		If substance doesn't come soon, and I think that this even overshadows the letter that she sent to New York's Southern District, which I do think that it's likely that they're covering stuff up.
		They're trying to protect people that have been somehow broken the law or whatever.
		But I think that it's a bad look to...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've got a clarification and a correction.
		I just did a quick search.
		The Southern District of New York has conducted multiple investigations involving Trump.
		The Michael Cohen investigation, the inaugural committee investigation, attempts to influence SDNY.
		So the Cohen thing is particularly interesting.
		In August 2018, SDNY prosecutors charged Michael Cohen, Trump's former attorney with campaign finance violations related to hush money payments to Stormy Daniels.
		So that is the hush money case that they've brought against Trump.
		I believe that was at the state level, though.
		I could be wrong.
		My apologies, but, like, so much has happened, it kind of just muddles together, you know?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The theory that this is some kind of 4D chess scheme on Pam Bondi's part against SDNY just doesn't hold up, in my view.
		I think it's true that she overpromised and maybe an unintended consequence is that people are realizing the corruption of SDNY. But I do not believe the narrative that she was planning this whole press manipulation all along to turn people's attention.
		And even if she did, it's clearly not working because the main narrative that I'm seeing so far is that people are angry at her and at the Trump administration for overpromising and what appears to be lying to the public about what they were going to get access to.
		And that's what I'm mad about.
		It also doesn't justify the fact that the House Judiciary official account for the House Judiciary GOP rickrolled us.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's really bad.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		First of all, that's not even a funny meme in 2025. It's been like 15 years since anyone thought that was funny.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		But second of all, that is so deeply disrespectful, not only to the people who voted this administration into power, but also deeply disrespectful to the victims of child trafficking that are in question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me pull this up.
		We have this tweet from the House Judiciary GOP breaking Epstein files released.
		And there's a link here.
		Should I click the link?
		I'll click the link.
		And it redirects to TinyURL, which redirects to YouTube.
		I love how they blocked the Rickroll.
		They're like, don't do it.
		Don't click it.
		Okay, we get it.
		This lit people up.
		4.5 million views.
		George Alexopoulos, a.k.a.
		GPrime85, says, women were raped.
		The monsters who organized and participated still walk among us, and you're joking about it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		4.5 million views and 6.1 thousand likes.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is not a good look.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		So even if this was some kind of, like, grand scheme that Pam Bondi formulated to turn media attention to state corruption, it's not working.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It just makes you look like an idiot.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there are people in my mentions on Twitter that are just like, yo, let Tim know that everybody's blah, blah, blah, that are, like, genuinely angry about this situation.
unidentified		There's other people who are coping and they're like, no, it's actually hilarious if you really squint and tilt your head and think about it.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's not funny.
unidentified		No, not at all.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's not funny at all.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And then there are other people, when I pointed this out, saying like, oh, well, someone's jealous that they weren't invited to the wedding.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's so annoying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will say, a lot of people are jealous they were not invited to this thing.
unidentified		Absolutely.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		There were people who were.
		I would say, on the influencer side, though, I mean, I know a lot of these people.
		I'm friends with a lot of these people.
		I like them.
		I respect them.
		If I had gotten this document, I would have been immediately scanning everything as quickly as possible and I would have had a link with all of the documents in it.
		Like, I would not be posting repeated pictures.
		I would not be posting the press statement from the White House about how this is the most transparent administration in history.
		Give people the information.
		Like, I'm not trying to wait for libs of TikTok to go through and give me the highlights.
		No offense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, who cares about that?
		Get invited to the White House.
		I'm sure it was a lame party anyway.
		I mean, right?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That line, though, the line that they kept repeating about this is the most transparent administration in history.
		It was copy and pasted.
		It sounded like, this is why I don't think it was necessarily something they were blindsided by.
		It sounds like something was sent to them in an email for social media deliverables.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were blindsided.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And why are they copy and pasting the same statement over and over all over the timeline?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, first I will say this.
		It's not that I'm jealous that they didn't invite me.
		It's that I'm hurt.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Disappointed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My friends flew in to D.C. and didn't tell me they were coming.
		And I'm calling people.
		I'm like, bro, are you in D.C.? Come on, man.
		At least come get a burger with me.
		I don't care about the White House.
		How could you guys?
		No, but I talked to a handful of people, and that actually is genuinely why I believe they were blindsided by this.
		A handful of these people are good friends of ours, friends of the show.
		And I asked them, and I was like, hey, what went down today?
		And they were like, we had no idea this was happening.
		And some of my friends were like, bro, if they told us we were going to do something, I would have hit you up immediately and said, bro, come quick.
		You know what I mean?
		And I'm like, oh, it's whatever.
		The only thing that I was saying is, come on the show, man.
		But everybody's flying out.
		Everybody's like, I can't because we're leaving.
		We came in here for a meet and greet.
		I do believe...
		That most of the people had no idea this was going to happen.
		Now, the question is, why are they all tweeting the most transparent administration?
		Why are they all taking selfies?
		There's a reason why I think the people who got invited got invited.
		I don't mean to be disrespectful to them, but they're not journalists.
		Now, some of them are.
		Some of them are.
		But they're largely personalities and influencers.
		They lean more towards the influencer space.
		But I don't want to say that of all of them, because I don't want to impute anyone's honor.
		I think Mike Cernovich certainly does.
		He deserves half the credit for the breaking of the Epstein story in the first place, because he worked, I think it was with Mike.
		He worked on this filing documents to get it released.
		So did, I believe it was the Miami Herald.
		I could be wrong.
		So some of these people there, you'll see they're not posting these selfies.
		But I think the strategy from the White House was, we don't want Amber Duke to show up.
		Start scanning the documents right away.
		We want people who are going to be happy to be here, who are going to say, look, the message is we are being transparent.
		We are the most transparent.
		Here's the binder.
		Don't share anything that's in it just yet.
		And what are a bunch of these people going to do?
		Selfie!
unidentified		Bang!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at me.
		I got a binder.
		People were straight up tweeting, I got a binder.
		And it's like...
		Okay, dude.
		I don't care.
unidentified		What's in it?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Taking the selfie in and of itself is so ghoulish.
		You know?
		Like, there's no sensitivity.
		It's not sensitivity.
		There's no gesture at understanding the gravity of the situation.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I feel that I have to share this now to get ahead of it because this is a brewing scandal.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I was forced to take a selfie with the Epstein binder.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You were?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		At Newsmax.
unidentified		Of course.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I was mic'd up.
		I didn't know what to do.
		And I'm in a selfie with the Epstein binder, and I'm so sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did someone say, like, hey, get a picture of the binder?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because the issue is...
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		It's tough.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Tough look.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is PR strategy.
		So, look, Mary, you're correct that Pambani didn't plan this 4-D chess in weeks in advance, but certainly whatever happened today was pre-planned in that...
		They made binders and made this letter to Cash.
		She could have literally called Cash and say, yo, WTF, like, they're not giving me the documents.
		Get me those documents.
		Click.
		End of story.
		She drafted this beautiful letter and then gave it to everybody.
		That was a PR stunt for whatever reason, for whatever it was planned.
		It literally happened.
		Someone super chatted very simply, why was their messaging the same?
		They all just got out of a messaging meeting with Vance.
		They were going to meet with Vance about messaging.
		And Vance was probably like, we're the most transparent administration ever.
		And they were handing the binders out, and then everybody tweeted it.
		Literally not every single person tweeted it, but a lot of them did.
		Not because they were told to do it, but because they were told it.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		What, they just have peanuts for brains?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Talk to them about that.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Just repeating the words that they heard.
		It sounds like it was in an email, in a PR packet.
		That was given to the influencers ahead of time or afterwards.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they might have gotten a fact sheet after.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty common.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They'll do a briefing and then they'll send a fact sheet once you leave to help inform your stories.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's what they do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The people that I spoke to who were there, a handful of them, and they all told me the same thing, and they're not lying to me.
		These are people that I deeply trust.
		That we've had on the show that have confided in me crazy things in the past that have said, you know, either something will be on background or off the record.
		And I maintain that privacy for a lot of these individuals.
		And I have heard the same story, even independent of what I was told.
		Amber had the same story from Chad being like, we didn't even know this was happening.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, I'm going to believe it was bullet points that were given to them after the fact.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
		A fact sheet.
		Or like talking points.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's pretty standard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, and not everybody tweeted the same thing, but a lot of them did.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like I said, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, this is an unforced error, and there are people that were already deeply skeptical of Pam Bondi.
		Now, they are a narrow group of people, people that are gun owners and 2A advocates and stuff.
		They were...
		You know, very skeptical of Pam Bondi, and I think that this did nothing to help that skepticism.
		Not that it's not the end of the world, but it does make the administration look kind of...
		You know, makes them look bad.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And now they really have to deliver now because this was bungled and people are more focused on the influencer part of it than they are on what was in the files because the files had nothing in them.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		So if they don't release Phase 2 or Phase 3 and those are not bombshells, they're in trouble.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are two potential outcomes, two principal outcomes from this that I think are most likely.
		One is tomorrow morning, someone cash or otherwise they confirm the documents.
		In full have been transferred to the AG's office and they're working on redactions or whatever, wherever that leads.
		The other is SDNY gets raided by the D.C. office or some law enforcement because the message that Pam Bondi has sent out is FBI's field office has gone rogue and has defied the orders of the attorney general.
		If tomorrow morning they do not confirm receipt of these documents, they may as well say, we have no power.
		And the FBI office is its own agency, independent of our government.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Look, if Internal Affairs raids the FBI Southern District offices and stuff tomorrow, if they're gearing up for a full-on FBI raiding the FBI raid...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How could they not?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I would love to see it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I would love to see it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unless they say, we got the documents.
		And then if they do, it's going to be people outside screaming, rabble, rabble, rabble, demanding the documents be published.
		So...
		How do they navigate whatever this is?
		Whether it's an...
		What did you call it?
		Unforced error?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, unforced error.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Either it's...
		Or it's on purpose.
		The principal outcomes are going to be it is substantially worse now that this story is so massive.
		It's a Thursday night.
		We shouldn't be getting this viewership 4.5 million views on a stupid joke.
		The attention on this is massive because people want the Epstein information.
		If SDNY does not deliver, or for that matter, if they do...
		And Pam Bondi says they didn't.
		People are going to be screaming outside of SDNY demanding law enforcement move in.
		So whatever happened today, it has created a tinderbox for tomorrow.
		Something has to happen.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and this early in the administration, you don't want to have a significant, serious shake in faith, you know, of the people actually doing things.
		I mean, I see you smirking, Mayor.
		You're a skeptic of everything all the time anyways, and you're like, ah, let it burn.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's strange to me that this became happening in the first place because most people who voted for Trump don't...
		Don't care about the Epstein files.
		They just care about getting inflation under control and closing the border.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		So why are we even...
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		If you weren't planning to deliver on the promise, well, first of all, don't promise it in the first place, but also just shut your mouth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's real.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, unless Pam Bondi was like, hey, let's release the Epstein files and SDNY. Lied to her, and then she found out they lied to her.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And part of the Nothing Ever Happens gang.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that was ever planned.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're right, it is kind of like, and I've said this before, it's a very narrow group of people that care about this, but the thing is, they care a lot.
		So there may not be, it's not a very broad group of people that are going to be like, yeah, we need to know.
		This is actually, this is kind of red meat for a particular constituency, but those people are very...
		Very invested, and they'll be very vocal on the interwebs, and Donald Trump looks at the interwebs, and he wants to please the people.
		Look what he did for TikTok.
		TikTok was...
		In my opinion, it was a bad idea to say, oh, we're just going to go ahead and make concessions for TikTok.
		But he did it because TikTok would be vocally against him.
		He wants people to like him.
		He wants people to like him.
		He does.
		He wants to look on the internet and see people saying nice things about him.
		So that's a big part of why he's doing this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will just say, outside of all of this, it is a fact.
		It's not literally a fact, but I think any reasonable person can conclude.
		S-D-N-Y with a passion.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		True.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They went after him.
		They went after Eric Adams.
		Trump tries.
		They or him drop the charges.
		They resign in protest.
		They file lawsuits to stop the dismissal of the charges.
		The craziest thing I ever heard is that the federal government was prosecuting Eric Adams.
		The DOJ cuts a deal with the mayor, which is...
		Par for the course in law enforcement every single day.
		A cop, a prosecutor will say, if you snitch, if you do this, if you help us with that, we'll drop the charges.
		Every day.
		And when the DOJ did with Eric Adams, SDNY, they quit in protest, lawsuits are filed, and a judge ruled they couldn't drop the charges they were prosecuting.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They're also trying to dismiss it without prejudice so they could bring the charges back at any time.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		So...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're saying the Trump administration wanted that?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		So if Eric Adams didn't play ball, they could bring the charges back.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Or if he did play ball and they decided that the evidence was so serious that they needed to move ahead anyway, they could wait until the administration is coming to an end and they could bring them back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not even a free pass.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not a free pass.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		But I will say, you know, I've done briefings with DOJ officials on this issue and they do believe that it was a politically motivated prosecution against Eric Adams and they feel like the evidence is pretty thin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		When you look at the timeline on Eric Adams, let me do this.
		Let's start here before we jump into the Eric Adams stuff, because we did get a statement from Cash Patel.
		This is breaking from the Post Millennial.
		Cash Patel vows to swiftly pursue those who undermine the FBI after AG Pambandi reveals FBI NY withheld Epstein documents.
		So Cash has posted this statement.
		The FBI is entering a new era, one that will be defined by integrity, accountability, and the unwavering pursuit of justice.
		There will be no cover-ups, no missing documents, and no stone left unturned.
		And anyone from the prior or current Bureau who undermines this will be swiftly pursued.
		If there are gaps, we will find them.
		If records have been hidden, we will uncover them.
		And we will bring everything we find to the DOJ to be fully assessed and transparently disseminated to the American people it should be.
		The oath we take is to the Constitution, and under my leadership...
		That promise will be upheld without compromise.
		So for those just tuning in, the conversation we're having is the Southern District of New York and the FBI field office are being accused of intentionally covering up Epstein documents, hiding them from the AG who ordered them.
		Now, we don't know exactly what's going on, but on the surface, the story is Pam Bondi was contacted by a whistleblower who said...
		The FBI office in New York is sitting on thousands of documents, audio and video, that they have not turned over to you.
		It's evidence.
		She then wrote a letter to Kash Patel, which seems very obvious, was intended to be made public, saying, I demand that these documents be handed over to me and you assess what happened and why.
		The important context that we're getting into, the Southern District of New York has gone after Trump, gone after Trump's lawyers, and recently was going after Mayor Eric Adams.
		Amber just pointed out that you said you spoke with prosecutors?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yes, DOJ officials who are trying to get the SDNY to drop the charges.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They're moving to have it dismissed without prejudice, which means that they could bring the charges again at a later date.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is where everything gets crazy.
		The DOJ comes in under a newly elected Trump administration and says, Eric Adams, we want you to work with us, and if you agree to, we'll drop the charges for now.
		Eric Adams says, I will play ball.
		The DOJ that instructs the Southern District of New York use attorney's office to drop the charges and they refuse.
		Several of these individuals in the office begin resigning in protest.
		A lawsuit is filed and a judge decides.
		This is insane.
		No, you can't drop the charges you're pursuing.
		What?
		Who's going to prosecute it?
		The judge is now saying a special special prosecutor is coming in.
		I think it is patently obvious.
		New York.
		The federal the federal offices are no longer federal.
		They are rogue and operating under some kind of who knows what maybe the Democratic Party machine.
		I don't know.
		But there's they're obviously working in tandem with the state government who also filed false criminal charges against Donald Trump and even falsely convicted him of that.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And this is not abnormal because under the Biden administration, the Richmond field office of the FBI got in trouble because they sent out a memo to field agents telling them to infiltrate traditional Catholic churches and TLMs, traditional Latin masses, because the people who attend those masses might become, quote-unquote, domestic terrorists.
		And actually, that memo did spread to other field offices as well.
		And when Chris Wray found out about it, he claimed that he didn't know anything about it.
		I don't know how true that is.
		But still, it's not abnormal for these offices to kind of do their own thing.
		from the FBI headquarters.
		And the other thing on the Eric Adams case that I would mention too is that one of the complicating factors with these charges, which is why he's not capable of working with the Trump admin right now on deportations, is he's not allowed to have a security clearance.
		So he cannot look at arrest records or anything related to law enforcement of illegal aliens in New York because he doesn't have the clearance to do it.
		So that's the primary reason why they want the charges dropped is so he can get a security clearance back and start assisting ICE, DOJ, FBI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They've gone rogue.
		New York, from the federal offices to the state offices, appear to be operating independent from the federal government.
		I mean, the state obviously does.
		We get that.
		But the FBI field office, if this is correct in what Pam Bondi is saying, and the stories we have about the Southern District of New York attorney's office and Eric Adams, the investigations they've launched against Trump, this has become a political body that is No longer operating under the jurisdiction of the federal government and the DOJ. They're going to have to raid the building.
		They're going to have to terminate all of these individuals immediately.
		And they're going to have to have trusted FBI agents actually secure the building to make sure evidence isn't being destroyed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that that's probably the next step.
		And it's not a surprise that New York is this kind of corrupt field office either.
		The way that they behave.
		You know, towards the administration, it's not a shock in any way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know, Mary, you said you're in the nothing-ever-happens camp, but as much as I do kind of agree with that, this past month has been a whole lot of happenings.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		What else?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We can start from the beginning.
unidentified		I mean, RFK Jr. This is a not happening.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is a not happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The files weren't released.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but sure.
		But the AG just said the FBI in New York has gone rogue.
		I mean, talk about a happening if happenings could ever happen.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		If they get raided, that's a happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Okay.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I have a high threshold.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's start with RFK Jr. just suspended a $460 million contract to make a COVID-19 vaccine.
		I mean, that's happening.
		There's a bunch of little things RFK Jr. is talking about with...
		Chemicals and food.
		And we can roll our eyes and say, sure, I'll see what happens.
		But yeah, the suspension of the, what's the Vaxart or whatever the name of the company is, this $460 million contract was just temporarily frozen.
		So a little happening there.
		You've got, first of all, Kash Patel just got in.
		Pambani just got in.
		A lot of this is in the first month.
		Trump just issued an order this morning.
		It wasn't Trump personally, but the Pentagon.
		Terminating from the military every transgender person.
		That's a happening.
		There's a lot of stuff going on.
		Now, I suppose if you're saying happening in the physical world, people are like, I don't know, launching rockets into space and riding those gigantic bikes, the big wheels on them down the street, and you're like, this is crazy.
		Maybe we're not seeing anything, but in the administrative functions of governments, it has been so many happenings, I've lost count.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the transgender stuff with the...
		Actually, you can look at just the military, and there's been a lot of stuff.
		The fact that Pete Hegseth is the SecDef, that's a big deal.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		When I see executive orders, I just see something that's going to change in four years if there's a new administration in office anyway.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So you think legislation is...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		More compelling than executive orders, which I would agree with.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of his executive orders in the first 24, 48 hours were just reversing executive orders that Biden did to reverse the executive orders that Trump did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How many executive orders has Trump signed already?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Close to a thousand, probably.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more than Biden, Obama, and Bush did in their entirety or something like that.
		I think Biden did like three or something or six, some like small number in his first day.
		It shocked people.
		And Trump did, what, a hundred plus?
		Yeah, serious happiness.
		I have to wonder what happens next.
		I mean, look, if New York, let's start here.
		I always love the time travel test.
		Go back to 2018 and say.
		In 2025, the AG will release a letter saying that the FBI offices are withholding evidence of a mass pedophile ring involving high-profile billionaires and celebrities.
		People are going to be like...
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They say, yeah, the FBI is sitting on documents they won't release because they're trying to release them to the public, resulting in conspiracies that the FBI officers have gone rogue.
		Now, I do have to mention, this other district of New York office had previously tried to prosecute Donald Trump, prosecute his lawyers.
		They tried to impeach him.
		The state of New York then, with overlapping jurisdiction, accused Trump of a fake crime with no underlying crime.
		They upgraded a misdemeanor to a felony with no underlying crime and then tried to put him in prison as he was running for office.
		I mean, the amount of things that have happened in the past year.
		If you went back 10 years and said this, people would laugh and say, are you writing a movie?
		And the funny thing is, whenever I do what I call the time travel test, it gets so much crazier.
		I mean, think about where we're at.
		Two years ago, what if I said, the AG under Trump is going to try to release the Epstein documents, but the Southern District of New York and FBI office in New York are going to secretly cover up thousands of documents.
		People are going to be like...
		I don't know about that.
		Nothing ever happens.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I would have said that you were crazy if you told me that Trump was going to try to end birthright citizenship.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, he did.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's going to go to the Supreme Court, but...
		That is a happening.
		I mean, there's a list, and forgive me, I'm doing the influencer thing now, but they did send a list out a week ago from the White House press office with a list of all the actions taken in the first month of the administration.
		And it's a lot juicier than this Epstein binder, I will say.
		I mean, there's probably 100, 150 bullet points here.
		Granted, a lot of them are executive orders.
		But, I mean, we have border crossings at a record low.
		Tons of cutting of waste, or at least pausing.
		I mean, we've paused all federal funding, especially foreign aid, which the foreign aid question was just held up by a court.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm sympathetic to Mary's view because I am of the opinion that legislation is what matters.
		You can talk a lot about the executive orders, but you do have a point about if they're executive orders, they'll just get overturned by the next guy.
		But I do think that things like Doge and cuts to the...
		Various bureaucracies, I think that does matter.
		I also think the American people are generally behind that kind of stuff, and I think that matters too.
		If you actually make these cuts, and then you don't see negative...
		Repercussions from the cuts happening to your average everyday person, I think that you'll end up getting the legislation to make the cuts permanent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to issue a clarification because we got a super chat from J.R. Williams.
		Tim, you leaked the Bondi letter first on YouTube, which you claimed was from an unnamed source.
		Didn't you sense that something was off with a leaked AG letter?
		No, 3 p.m.
		was the embargo time.
		And my video went live at 3 p.m.
		However, other individuals published the letter before the embargo was lifted at around 233.
		I know because I immediately got in contact with a couple of my sources on the ground.
		And I said, looks like the letter's already been leaked.
		So I did not leak at first.
		And on Twitter, on X, when I posted it, it was about two minutes after it had already been released by other third parties.
		So, yeah, I.
		I take journalistic integrity very seriously.
		That is, my sources, if they ask not to be named, I won't name them.
		If they give me information on background, it's called, I won't name them.
		If there are individuals, there are circumstances in which you break these.
		If there's an embargo, I won't break it.
		Why?
		You want individuals to trust you.
		And we want to get the information to the public.
		If I've got people who are working in the White House and I say, you can't trust me, I'll defy anything you tell me, they'll not tell me anything and I can't tell you anything.
		So you agree to some terms to try and maximize the amount of information you get knowing the individuals setting those terms are doing so for their benefit.
		But it is better that we compromise on the exchange of information so that I can bring it to you as opposed to just give them the middle finger and get nothing.
		That being said...
		Were I or Amber, as we had been discussing earlier, if we had gone to one of these meetings, we would have been like, the moment the clock strikes, we're publishing everything.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would have had a Scribd account with all of the documents in it with a scheduled set time to go live at 3. 100%.
		And it would have gone right on the Daily Caller website, and maybe I would have had an accompanying post with the top 10 things that are in the Epstein files for those who don't want to read all the documents, but I would absolutely make them all available.
		No question.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think my opinion still lands as this was a bad move.
		It should have been the AGs, whatever it was that they decided to do.
		It doesn't make anybody happy.
		It doesn't satisfy anyone.
		And it just makes for an unforced error.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I still feel like we're not going to see the unredacted files.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't disagree.
		Like it, it, the idea that they would ever publish a list of powerful billionaires and movie stars and musicians that were involved in a trafficking ring and we're going to expose these power structures, it feels like you're, you live in a world.
		It's like communist utopian level nonsense.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And I feel the same way about the JFK, RFK, and MLK documents.
		Like, people who are getting all excited about that.
		I'm saying, if you really think the CIA was involved in the assassination of these individuals, which, by the way, I agree with you, do we really think that they wouldn't have scrubbed the evidence of that?
		Like, 30 years ago, and we're now 60-plus years on, and suddenly it's all going to come out, and they're going to indict themselves.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		There are other questions that still remain unanswered about more recent events.
		Like, I'm waiting for the Steven Paddock files.
		Even after all these years, I'm still waiting on answering questions about that.
		Biggest mass shooting in U.S. history.
		And most people, if you mentioned it to them, would be like, I don't even know if I remember that.
		It was completely memory-hold.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And that probably also indicts the intelligence community in a number of ways.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've got a very big story.
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		And like I was saying, take the URL to this video, post it wherever you want.
		If everybody watching right now shared, it would be the biggest show in the world.
		Let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail.
		This is crazy, my friends.
		State Accident Insurance Fund CEO targeted in terrifying attack by hooded gunmen at his Oregon home.
		Now, we don't know exactly what this is, but this sounds very similar to what Luigi Mangione did.
		And considering how many leftists have been posting TikTok videos, wearing Luigi hats.
		Demanding people engage in this kind of behavior, it was sooner or later we were going to story something like this.
		Take a look.
		An insurance CEO was targeted in a gun attack by a hooded gunman at his home in Oregon, with eerie similarities to Brian Thompson's murder in New York last year.
		The unidentified suspect took aim at State Accident Insurance Fund CEO Chip Terhoon's $1.68 million home in Lake Oswego around 4 a.m.
		Friday.
		A grainy surveillance...
		4 a.m.
		Friday?
		A grainy surveillance image released, I mean, Thursday, by Oswego Police showed this, or was this last week?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Last week.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gunman donning all dark clothes, the possible hoodie or ski mask.
		The perpetrator is believed to have fled the scene on foot, and as of Thursday, he remains on the run.
		Three bullets shattered the glass of the CEO's front door and windows.
		The doors have since been boarded up with wood.
		The following day, Terhune informed staff at SAIF, a not-for-profit company that provides worker compensation in the state, that he initially thought rocks were being thrown at his home.
		Terhune, who is worth more than $764,000, honestly, it's a lot of money, but we're not talking about a guy worth $40 million like the CEO of that other insurance company.
		He sent an email to his more than 1,000 employees informing them the company received an email threat purporting to be from the person responsible.
		This is crazy.
		Although it does not target any specific employee, the email references knowledge of employee and relatives' names and addresses.
		He further explained the sender attached a list containing some of the information sourced from internet searches, including many inaccuracies to the threatening message.
		He then attached that list to the employee email and said the company will reach out to them to share what information was dug up on them.
		So he clarified he isn't sure if he was targeted, but is now doing well and ready to work.
		We're looking at...
		Two big stories right now.
		I mean, this one, obviously, we saw this breaking last week, and now there's more information on it.
		Another CEO is attacked.
		We have seen the left.
		Recently, a story, this woman went on TikTok and called for harm, called for people to end the life of Elon Musk.
		I believe a U.S. attorney responded that he'd be in touch with her.
		We're hoping there's justice in that regard.
		But the threats of violence from the left have been escalating.
		And my friends, hear me go to any one of these liberal podcast subreddits and just search the term Civil War and see what these people are posting about.
		Search the term Luigi.
		Luigi on any one of these subreddits.
		And what will you find?
		They're going to be saying things like, Luigi was always my favorite Mario brother.
		They're going to be saying things like, we need more people playing Player 2. They're making all of these references to them wanting death, murder, and destruction.
		Now we have...
		Two big stories.
		Another attempt on the life of an insurance CEO, which may be unrelated, but who knows?
		Considering the far-left sentiment bubbling up over the past several weeks, months, or year, I would not be surprised to find it was related.
		And then we have claims, whether true or not, that the New York attorneys and FBI offices are rogue and not operating under the purview of the federal government.
		What are we looking at right now?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It seems like things are escalating.
		Look, this attack on this other CEO here, I mean, look, this is not a surprise.
		There are going to be more like this.
		There was the person that was shooting up a Tesla dealership.
		Even though Musk isn't there, that was only symbolic.
		This right here is in the exact same vein.
		What?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Did we ever figure out what the motivation was behind the Cybertruck explosion?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I want to stress this too, as Phil put a pin in it real quick, I'm just going to say, another one of these stories is they just arrested a transgender individual that Fox referred to as a woman with explosives at a Tesla dealership.
		They've been shooting up Tesla dealerships, smashing them, vandalizing them, and trying to blow them up.
		But Phil, you were saying.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just it's a situation where this stuff is, I strongly feel like this is going to continue to ask.
		There are people like Kyle Kalinske and Crystal Ball and Hassan Piker and et cetera.
		These people have been talking about the class war for ages.
		The whole of BreadTube has been talking about class war.
		And whether you're actually articulating, oh, you should engage in violence or not, when you...
		Spew the rhetoric of a class war in the United States that the reason that you're poor or the reason that you're dissatisfied, because it's really the situation.
		It's not about who has money and who doesn't.
		There are plenty of people out there that are poor that even though they live paycheck to paycheck, they live fulfilled lives, that they love their families, they have other things in their lives that make them happy.
		But when you have a...
		An argument that is made constantly that the reason you are dissatisfied in your life is because of billionaires.
		That's the specific reason.
		And if we could just get rid of those billionaires, you would be happy in your life.
		You are going to get poorly adjusted people.
		You're going to get the mentally ill people that are...
		That completely and totally dominate when it comes to the ground forces on the left.
		Those people will go out and act.
		And I'm not saying, oh, you shouldn't be able to say this or you shouldn't be able to say that.
		But there is now a climate in the United States that is acceptable and to some people it is...
		Not that I agree with this, but it is obvious that the problem is that there are a handful of billionaires in the world.
		And the thought is, if we could just solve the billionaire problem, then we would solve whatever ails me.
		I'm trans and I'm unhappy.
		Whatever your disorder is will be fixed just...
		By solving the billionaire problem.
		But one more additional problem to that is the people that are dissatisfied, the people that are unhappy, they're not actually going to be able to find the billionaires.
		They're going to find people that are worth a couple million bucks or people that just have more than they do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Ray Dalio had a conversation with Tucker Carlson.
		He said, we're in a civil war.
		On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being, yeah, we're not in a civil war, and 10 being, I can see them coming around the corner, where would you guys think we are on that scale?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Let's say we're at a five or six.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Five or six?
unidentified		Oof.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's over the middle.
		What do you think?
		Mary's going to say one.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Nothing ever happens.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm going to go with one.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's a safe answer.
unidentified		What would be the sides then?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The civil war?
unidentified		Civil war between territorial...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're usually never territorial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's ideological.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you've got the populist and then you've got the establishment forces.
		So if you look at how...
		The corporate press and the Democrats, the worldview they have.
		I mean, who's ever on the side of the FBI field office in New York versus the federal government?
		And they exist.
		Whoever these people are who are trying to bomb Tesla dealerships, they're organized.
		Antifa has cells all over the country.
		They pretend like they don't so that stupid people think they don't exist.
		But they do.
		They organize online.
		That's how there's a group we call the tourists.
		Go to any one of these protests in—I shouldn't say any names for legal reasons, but we know their names.
		We know who they are.
		They are at every single protest across the country.
		And you're like, how did that person know to show up in Long Beach?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I've heard this exact same thing from other people who covered the riots in 2020. Ask Richie McGinnis.
		Exactly.
		He will tell you.
		He wrote about it in his book.
		And then the Daily Caller also reported on this other story.
		On Monday, the FBI's Houston office announced that they arrested someone by the name of Seth or Andrea Gregory after he allegedly plotted an attack against police similar to the 2016 Dallas ambush.
		He was making terroristic threats to the Houston Police Department, Corpus Christi Police Department.
		And what was really interesting about this story is that nobody seemed to blink an eye at the fact that this guy was known by both Seth and Andrea.
		So I was like, we should...
		Reach out to the police and ask if this was a transgender person.
		That seems pretty weird.
		And apparently it is.
		A CCPD officer said that based on information they received from the FBI, quote, it's our understanding that Grigori is transitioning.
		His driver's license indicates that he is male, but booking information from the Nooses County Jail, apologies if I mispronounce that, reportedly marks him as female.
		So he was trying to engage in a mass killing similar to what happened after the Michael Brown incident in 2016 in Dallas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then, of course, there were some breaking news on the Ziz cult today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you guys saw that.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I'm not familiar with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're not familiar with the Ziz?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		No, tell me about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the transgender leftist cult.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They killed the border guard in Vermont a couple weeks ago.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I did hear about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's happening, Mary.
unidentified		Far-left transgender cultists shot and killed a border guard trying to flee.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Came off of Antifa?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		How did they originate?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They refer to themselves as Trantifa.
		That is the actual word they use for their group.
		Transgender Antifa.
		It's not necessarily a splinter group.
		The left is all splinter groups that have what they call the diversity of tactics and they coordinate.
		So how it works is there will be 10 people that live in Seattle.
		And they'll have some gutter space they rent for dirt where they organize.
		When they want to set up a protest, they will put out messages to various forums and individuals.
		It's a splinter network.
		And then the tourists, we call them, these are people who travel around the world, not just the country, to foment and organize and provide expertise for protests.
		They provide legal strategies and obstruction strategies.
		So these tourists will go to these little hovels.
		And provide materials, signs, rope, whatever they might need, and then through their network put out a call to action to make their protests larger.
		That's why you end up seeing the exact same people in the front of every march in every different city in the country.
		Some people think they're feds, that they're working for the government to sow discontent for whatever reason.
		I don't know if that's true.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Who's funding it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The government.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's the conspiracy.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, aside from the conspiracy, like, is this some kind of NGO funding operation?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so it's not an operation.
		There are operations.
		So one mistake a lot of conservatives often make is they'll say, George Soros is paying protesters to be here.
unidentified		Wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
		The Open Society Foundation provides grants to various nonprofits.
		During Occupy Wall Street, there were a handful of nonprofits that sent their employees down to help them organize.
		So how does Occupy get as big as it did?
		Three or four people from various NGOs that were paid to be there put out flyers at universities, tricked them into showing up, and then took control of the organization to make big protests happen.
		So when the conservatives hear that NGOs are funding this, they say the protesters are paid to be there.
		Then the 22-year-old college kid who showed up bored for no reason says, I didn't get paid to be here.
		I don't know anybody who did.
		They're lying.
		And they use that to recruit more.
		They say, see, Fox News lied about you.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And they do the same thing with less violent methods, too.
		So, for example, like the Satanic Temple, they had a protest at a Virginia school board meeting in Norfolk.
		I went down and covered it, and I saw a few of the people.
		You know, you can't miss them.
		They've got shaped heads, weird tattoos, pentagrams, all this crazy nonsense.
		And then I was looking at a story from a different Satanic Temple protest at a different school, literally halfway across the country.
		I can't remember what state it was in.
		And looking at the pictures, I went...
		I know her.
		She was at the Virginia protest.
		Why is she in Oregon or wherever she was at that time?
		And then the Free Beacon reported that all of these town halls that are popping off about Doge and Elon Musk in red districts are organized by George Soros, where they have multiple of his NGOs and nonprofits paying people and putting out targeted messaging on social media to encourage people to go to these town halls, telling them the details, the dates, the location, the phone number.
		showing up and but just trying to give the impression that there is this fomented opposition from within the Republican Party against Doge.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And let's just clarify, George Soros is not personally doing any of this stuff.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's got philanthropy wings.
		I believe his son is running them.
		They provide grants to various NGOs and nonprofits.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Indivisible, MoveOn are a couple of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then these nonprofits decide what to do.
		And so what I've personally witnessed, having covered this stuff for about a decade, is that You'll go to a protest and it's a bunch of random people milling about, no idea what's going on.
		And then there will be like two or three people and you're like, I've seen you in every major set I've ever been to.
		And they're like, right, I work for insert NGO. And you're like, uh-huh.
		And you're paid to be here.
		And they're like, well, this is part of our organizing.
		So yeah, this is my job.
		And then you're like, and then you went to all the universities, you put up flyers, you went on social media, you put out calls to action.
		Yep.
		And so all these people are here because of you.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		So you were paid to be here by an NGO to create this protest.
		And they go, right.
		Then what happens is the 300 other people, you go up to them and say the same thing, were you paid to be here?
		And they go, no.
		Why are we here?
		I heard about it on the internet.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Phil, I wanted to say I'm glad that you brought up the BreadTubers and these far-left streamers and influencers because they just think that this is all fun and games and it's because they've been on a playground of no consequences this entire time and the past decade, basically.
		Yep.
		Yep.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And by right-wing extremists, do you mean parents that have the audacity to go to the PTA meetings and look at what their kids are learning?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		They also mean right-wing groups that they infiltrate in order to get people to say or do incriminating things so they can get more convictions.
		But the left-wing streamers are the ones fueling this fire and making it a laughing matter.
		And I think that maybe...
		Maybe something that the FBI needs to focus on as they're entering a new era is far-left extremism because there is an increasing...
		It's like some mixture of boredom and rage that is stirring up in a lot of people and...
		It's not going to be pretty.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So the things that you hear that actually bother people when it comes to...
		There's a lot of people that would say, oh, poor people.
		Are really upset.
		And it's not that poor people are upset, or being poor makes people unhappy.
		That's not the case.
		Because there are people that are in significantly poorer countries than the United States, and they live happy, fulfilled lives.
		Because things like family make you happy, right?
		Things like you having a fulfilled life, God, religion, your community, those kind of things are what actually makes people happy.
		Material things, to a certain degree, like having...
		The ability to pay your bills can add to stress and can make you unhappy.
		But once you get through a certain amount of money, more money doesn't actually make you happy.
		It's the reason that billionaires become billionaires is not because they want money.
		It's the drive to do the thing that they're doing, right?
		So it's the...
		What's the phrase that I'm looking for?
		Income inequality that upsets people.
		When people can't pay their bills, right?
		But they have the internet on their phone, but they're poor in America.
		They can't pay their bills, but they see people on Instagram or on the internet that live lavish lifestyles or they hear billionaires have all this stuff.
		They get upset that there is such an income inequality.
		That's something that will spur people to action.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Comparison is the thief of joy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know if it's as cut as dry.
		Because when we're seeing a lot of these school shooters or mass shooters who've had their plans foiled, seeing these half-baked manifestos that they write, I know that when I read them, it sounds like extremist political philosophy, but they don't even pick a side of the extreme to pledge allegiance to.
		It's like they're just...
		A lot of the statements they're making in these manifestos don't actually make coherent sense with each other.
		It just sounds extreme in every last direction.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why I say wokeness is just cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't actually have any logic behind their ideas, but for some reason they march in lockstep with each other.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So I'm not familiar with what you're talking about?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That female school shooter who, she was in Wisconsin, I believe.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I don't know this one.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Right?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Her name was Samantha something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right, right, right.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		She wrote this manifesto that seemed like it was this radical feminist manifesto, but then she was also making statements that were, like, extremely racist at the same time.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And it was this completely incoherent, scattershot philosophy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But of course.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		But also she was...
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Practically, if this was written by her, practically illiterate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is not surprising at all that someone who would do something so psychotic did not have a functioning brain.
		There's no logic behind the actions taken by these extremists because it doesn't result in anything that lends itself towards an ideology or any kind of goal.
		It's not surprising that all of the manifestos tend to be garbled mishmash nonsense.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's not even that I'm expecting it to be logical, but internally logical.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And that's the thing.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I've noticed, like, just if you track what manifestos sound like and what they're trying to communicate over time, they're just getting more and more nonsensical as time goes on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the concern is, when you look at liberal YouTubers, there's no logic in what they're saying.
		When you look at the corporate press, it's just lies and manipulation.
		I mean, let's talk about the price of eggs.
		They didn't care at all.
		Everyone was screaming about it.
		The moment Trump walks in, they scream the price of eggs.
		There's no logical pathway for what they're offering.
		Take a look at, you mentioned BreadTube, these communists and these Marxists on YouTube.
		They don't have a basic understanding of economics.
		AOC actually stated that a tax subsidy was a cash gift, which is an inversion of what it actually is.
		A tax subsidy is a discount.
		AOC doesn't know anything.
		At all what she's talking about.
		So they rally people based on an incoherent, illogical state of being where they're angry at somebody and they accuse Trump of doing that which they do.
		They are demagogues.
		AOC says, I have no idea what's going on or how the world works, but I'm angry and if you're angry, be angry at him.
		They rally people in this direction and it leads to violence against a Tesla dealership?
		Elon doesn't work at Tesla dealerships.
		Who are you mad at?
		Joe Smith, who makes $40,000 a year cleaning the toilets of a car dealership?
		Why are you attacking these people?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, the attack on the car dealership was symbolic.
		And it's probably more akin to...
		I'm not sure if this is actually true, but it...
		Reminds me more of the graffiti that you see than an actual attack on a person.
		You know what I mean?
		They want to destroy something.
		It's more like vandalism.
		Sure, it's scary if they use firearms.
		That does make it more frightening.
		But that's the intent.
		Frightening and vandalism not actually hurting someone.
		But even still, you were talking about the bread tubers and stuff.
		They intentionally aim at people that are dissatisfied.
		And I've said this a million times.
		Happy people don't engage in revolutionary activities.
		It takes people that are upset.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		They're idle and nihilistic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're nihilistic, absolutely.
		And it was the same thing in previous eras when there were communist revolutions.
		They told the average...
		Person in Ukraine that it was the Kulak's fault that there was no food, right?
		The Kulak, you're broke and poor because of the Kulaks.
		The Kulaks were the farmers that knew how to, like they got the house and the cow that they had because they knew how to farm.
		They had some land they could farm.
		They were actually providing food, so they had a little bit of money.
		And then the communists told them, look, the Kulaks, they have stuff.
		That's your enemy.
		They're the reason.
		And this clearly, they weren't getting the average peasant.
		Angry with the kulaks because the kulaks were living in palatial luxury.
		They had a house and they had a farm and they had some cows.
		They were still farmers.
		But because they had something and the people that had nothing had nothing and it seemed like so much more and they were starving and the kulaks weren't, it was easy to turn the peasantry against the kulaks.
		And what happened?
		Millions of Ukrainians died because of it.
		Same thing in China.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the story from the post-millennial.
		Thomas Matthew Crooks may have had an accomplice, says private investigator.
		We don't think he acted alone.
		I think the reason this is significant is because when you look at the official narrative, they've never been able to question how this guy was able to carry these materials, his weapon, into this space in Butler, PA. How he was able to bypass all of the police.
		Postmillennial rights would be assassin of Trump.
		Thomas Matthew Crooks may have had an accomplice.
		The New York Post has reported this comes nearly nine months since the shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania.
		According to the outlet, sources familiar with the matter said the FBI has run interference in trying to find out why Crooks carried the shooting.
		The shooter left no manifesto.
		However, the outlet reported that a private investigator believes a criminal network was working with Crooks at the time of the assassination attempt.
		Private investigator Doug Hagman told the outlet, we don't think he acted alone.
		This took a lot of coordination in my view.
		Crooks was handled by more than one individual and he was used for this assassination attempt.
		And I wouldn't preclude the possibility that there were people at the rally itself helping him.
		Hagman as well as his team of six other investigators have been working on the case and have interviewed dozens of people.
		They've also looked into the location of a device that was geolocated to be with Crooks at the time of the shooting.
		According to their work, the device is still pinging at Bethel Park High School.
		Interesting.
		And they go on to mention more about the shooting, but this is not surprising, though I don't know if we're going to learn anything about this.
		I would not be surprised to find that there are criminal elements operating even within government that allow this to happen.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		It was either, I think, if this is true, the accomplices were either within the intelligence community, meaning FBI, or part of the Iranian assassination plot against Trump.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Those, I think, are the two most likely options.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it has to be internal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the only...
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's why I listed that one first.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've gone over this story so many times.
		I'm not surprised to see private investigator with a team of six other investigators or whatever is saying there's a weird device pinging in this high school and like he may have had an accomplice.
		He had to have.
		We've gone over in great deal of the official narrative over and over again.
		There's no way.
		They've never given...
		I'm going to pause.
		They've never given us an official story.
		They've given us surface level circumstances that happened in Butler, PA, but they have never said...
		Okay, on 9-11, hijackers at these airports got on these planes with box cutters.
		They did these things.
		Flight 93, let's roll.
		We found the passport.
		They've given us for 9-11, you know, starting from A, moving through B, ending with C. We know the position of how everything happened.
		With the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, they have literally never given us an explanation as to how this guy did what he did, got where he was, and got these shots off.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And no motive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No motive.
		No plan.
		They've not explained how...
		There's no A to B. There's no start to finish.
		There's no story.
		Here's some random kid for some reason who shot the president.
		He did shoot him.
		And security was missing from every single point of entry.
		And he flew a drone over this.
		He flew a drone over the president's rally.
		There's no explanation.
		Why?
		Because there can't be one.
		There's literally no way to fabricate a scenario where Secret Service allowed a would-be assassin to fly a drone over the president's rally.
		It makes no sense.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And when there were two snipers in the sniper nest and one of them had to leave for some reason but then forgot his key card and couldn't get back in?
		And also the water tower was left unmanned.
		And they couldn't have people on the roof that Thomas Matthew Crooks was on because it was too sloped and it was dangerous.
		But they were set up on another roof that had the exact same slope.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's so hard to hear all of the facts like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Think, okay, this was allowed to happen.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		They had their eyes on him up until the second that he fired.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		They were looking right at him and we all know that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The whole time.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's like to the level of incredulity of like security guards at the Metropolitan Detention Center falling asleep when they were supposed to be watching Epstein in his cell.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's the level, like that's kind of the fool you take me for, you know?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well I mean the previous administration absolutely looked on the average people with disdain.
		They definitely looked on Trump supporters with disdain.
		So it's not a surprise that they had that kind of opinion.
		I am hopeful that we'll find more out with the current administration.
		I imagine Donald Trump wants...
		That it wants to know what happened, considering he's the guy that was actually shot.
		And I do think that...
		You're making a dubious face.
		Do you doubt that Trump wants to know?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I was just wondering.
		I mean, maybe he knows more than we do.
		Probably he does.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's the president, so I assume so.
		But I do think that the American people have a right to know whatever the government finds out.
		Considering the only person that was killed was the shooter, if there are other people involved, I would like to know that the government has gone and that the FBI has gone, picked them up, and I would like to see them prosecuted.
		And if there are people that neglected to do their job in Pennsylvania that day or leading up to it, that those people get fired.
		So that way it doesn't happen again.
		And I do believe that Trump has made changes at the Secret Service.
		I think.
		I don't know for sure.
		But I'm under the impression.
		I thought that I've heard that story.
		But it also seems like...
		Seems logical that he would.
		But yeah, I think the American people want to know, and I think the American people have the right to know.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, don't assign to incompetence what can easily be explained by malice.
		That's what I think.
		There's no way that this was a failure of just mere incompetence, people taking bathroom breaks when they shouldn't have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Give it backwards.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I got it perfectly in order, as I meant it.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		This was malice, not incompetence.
		Oh, okay.
		And again, to bring up Stephen Paddock, we don't have an official story on that either.
		Not that we're the type of people who just take an official story and accept it, but at least if we got an official story from the authorities, we'd have the freedom to accept or reject it, to question it and investigate it for ourselves.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's wild to me that we're at this place where multiple instances where someone tried to take the life of the frontrunner for the U.S. presidency.
		Think about where this country would be if crooks had succeeded against Donald Trump.
		I mean, we'd probably be banned.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The show wouldn't exist.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The first month of the Kamala Harris administration would be the exact inversion of Trump.
		The border would be completely opened.
		They'd be like, burn it down.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have a strong, strong suspicion that had Kamala Harris won, and I'm not sure that Kamala Harris would have won if Donald Trump was shot.
		J.D. Vance would have still won.
		It's possible that he would have won, so I'm not sure.
		But had Kamala Harris won, there's no doubt in my mind that shows like this would have been targeted.
		The people here, like Tim personally, definitely.
		I don't know if I would, but there definitely would have been people that the DOJ would have gone after Tim.
		Probably would have gone after people like Rogan.
		Like anyone that was sufficiently critical or that the administration assumed helped.
		Or would have, you know, wasn't helping Kamala Harris.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And they were already testing the waters in the first term by using these DHS-affiliated groups to flag content on social media and send emails to Twitter and Facebook.
		And then one more point on the assassination attempt.
		I mean, beyond the fact that the now president was shot in the ear, there was someone who lost his life, an innocent American, Corey Compatore, and multiple other potential victims who were injured by that assassin's bullets.
		Obviously, the American people deserve to know what happened.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		When it comes to, you know, back to the targeting of pundits or political commentary people, there were people that were in the administration, that were at the DOJ and stuff like that, that had the job of watching the people like Tim.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They had an entire intern class.
		I mean, there was an intern who wrote for the Free Press after she left.
		The White House, that her job as an intern for the Biden administration at DHS was to flag content that the administration didn't like, even if it was true.
		Even if it was true.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And considering the fact that the administration was very comfortable with trying to...
		With using the Department of Justice to go after its enemies.
		I mean, that isn't in question.
		Like, they were using the DOJ to go after, you know, people that had the wrong opinions about January 6th, people that were at January 6th and people that didn't go into the Capitol.
		They were going after people that were just on the ground.
		They were going after people, after parents that were, you know, like we talked about earlier, the parents that had an issue with the things that were being told to their children.
		They would have used the DOJ to go after political pundits nationwide.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And they went after pro-lifers too, pro-life activists, for standing too close to the door of an abortion clinic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Isn't there a person in jail now because of that?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Pardon some of them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if he...
unidentified		Why not all?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I think he might have done all of them.
		I just don't want to say for certain without double-checking my facts.
		But, I mean, the other part of this, too, is I don't know if we're going to get into some of the WHCA stuff that's been happening, but...
		Biden cracked down on the press pretty significantly during his time in office.
		He stripped White House reporters, 450 of them almost, of their hard passes for no apparent reason.
		Gave them no recourse to get the hard passes back.
		They locked down the briefing room during COVID. They made journalists pay for their own COVID tests just to get access to the White House campus.
		They literally had a pay-for-play scenario where you had to pay $150 a day to get a COVID test to get into the briefing room.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's dive into this because we have a story from The Hill.
		White House Correspondents Association had the public can no longer trust pool reports under White House control.
		Can I just simplify this for you guys?
		The White House Correspondents Association, which was basically a news cartel, which was full of individuals who lied the entire time under the first Trump term and under Biden, are now saying we can't trust the pool reports because they don't have control, but some random people might be in there.
		Are you a member?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I am a member of the White House Correspondents Association.
		I am in the cartel.
		I have blue membership, which is the second tier because I don't cover the White House every day.
		And I've been a member since 2019. Are they evil?
		They're not good people.
		I can tell you that.
		Some of them are good people, I assume, as Trump would say.
		But, okay, so the meltdown over this is hilarious because the White House uses the pool system as a means of gatekeeping for legacy media.
		I mean, really, the entire WHCA is orchestrated to protect the friends among the legacy media and corporate media.
		The WHCA, for those who don't know, assigns the seats in the briefing room.
		The White House doesn't do that.
		They get to pick all those rows, and they are the ones who put all the corporate media in the first two rows.
		So those are the people always getting called on at the briefings.
		And there's a bunch of outlets that don't have seats in the briefing room at all.
		When I was at The Spectator, I didn't have one.
		Karine Jean-Pierre didn't call on people in the aisles.
		So if you didn't have a seat assigned by the WHCA, then you were SOL when it came to getting a question during the Biden admin.
		But the pool is a rotating group of journalists.
		There's 30, I believe, in the print pool.
		And when it's your day, you get to basically go to the events that are technically non-public or not open to the full press.
		And you report on the events and you send a report to the rest of the press pool so that they can get the information when space is limited and what have you.
		But the way that they organize the pool is that they're like favorite 30 outlets.
		And they'll throw in two or three conservative outlets to make it look fair.
		Get to go in every day.
		The cameras get the perfect setup from all of the corporate legacy media outlets.
		They get to go in first, set up their cameras, and often the pool will collude with each other on what questions they're going to ask before they even go in.
		So my friend, Reagan Reese, who's the White House correspondent for The Daily Caller now, actually witnessed these corporate media journalists saying, if we all go in and just one of us yells a question, then we have a more likely shot of Biden answering it.
		So we should actually just coordinate on what our one question is going to be among the six of us.
		So it's a joke.
		And now what the White House Correspondents Association is doing in response to this news that the White House is going to take over the pool rotation is they have now stopped sending pool reports at all.
		I think they've actually deleted the email, which is like all at whpoolreports.com.
		And this was seen as so insane by even members of the White House Correspondents Association, because now you get zero access to the White House events that you can't get into as a reporter, that they are now forwarding emails from people who are in the pool now, but they won't refer to it as a pool report anymore because they're so butthurt.
		Now they're calling it White House Notes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have reached out to some of our contacts, and I just want to say for everybody who watches this show, it's looking really good.
		I think we're going to see some massive changes to how the press is handled.
		This booting of the White House Correspondent Association is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
		I despise the journalism industrial complex.
		I look forward to periodically hearing a question from a podcaster I've never heard of.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Every last person that was a member of the White House press pool, whether they be a member of the White House Correspondents Association or not, every last person that was in the pool should be permanently barred from the White House.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Except for Daily Caller.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Forever.
		No exceptions!
		I'll say fine for the purposes of this.
		Jake Tapper is about to release a book called Original Sin.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And it is about how everyone knew that Joe Biden was a walking corpse.
		Jake Tapper was instrumental in spreading the Russia collusion BS. These people are in no position.
		Absolutely no position to criticize anyone.
		They're not in a position to criticize Alex Jones when he was talking about the frogs turning gay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, to be clear...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones was talking about atrazine, studies that showed it caused endocrine disruption, and he was in a jokingly kind of way saying it's making them gay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was more true than anything these people were saying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have studies after the fact saying they're not sure that atrazine actually was an endocrine disruptor, but we do have, first I want to give you the context, original sin, President Biden's decline, its cover-up, and his disastrous choice to run again, Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.
		Jake Tapper, hero of CNN, exposing the corporate press for covering up Joe Biden.
		My favorite, my favorite piece is going to be when he when Jake Tapper exposes Jake Tapper.
unidentified		Jake.
		It's very clearly a cognitive decline.
		That's what I'm referring to.
		It makes me uncomfortable to watch the money on stage search for questions.
		And try and figure out an answer.
		A cognitive decline.
		You're trying to tell me that what I was suggesting was a stuttering.
		I think that you were mocking his stutter.
		I think you were mocking his stutter, and I think you have absolutely no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline.
		I would think that somebody in the Trump family would be more sensitive to people who do not I'm really excited to read the chapter in his book where he talks about how the media was covering up Joe Biden's cognitive decline.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then he brings up CNN as one of the principal drivers in covering up Joe Biden's decline.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And man, when Tapper calls out Jake Tapper for claiming that Biden said a stutter, I'm going to be so excited.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Every last one of them deserves to be homeless and destitute for the rest of their lives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's mean.
		Look, I have no problem if they're making my cheeseburgers for me.
		Just don't spit in them.
		The fries, I like them a little well done, a little extra salt.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		What's so annoying to me about this is, you know, a lot of people have been saying Alex Thompson was...
		Good at this.
		He is a good reporter.
		He came out with a piece about Biden's cognitive decline, I believe, before the debate, if not shortly after, and was willing to talk about it when the Democratic Party hadn't decided if it was okay or not yet.
		That's a little too much credit for Alex Thompson because...
		From this clip, you see people notice this on the campaign trail in 2020. I mean, I wrote an article, I think, in September ahead of the election about Biden's schedule being less than a typical 40-hour working week.
		Like, he was working an average of 30 hours on the campaign trail running for the most important job in the world.
		So I don't give Alex Thompson that much credit.
		But out of the mainstream media journalists, he was one of the better ones in terms of calling out Biden's cognitive decline.
		And so for him to hitch his wagon to Jake Tapper, who was complicit in the cover-up, I don't know why he would damage his credibility like that unless they're getting a really fat paycheck for this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Of course they are.
		How many days...
		Did the Biden administration call a lid at 1 p.m.?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you that one second.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		At 1 p.m.?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How many days did they say, Biden has done too much work at 1 in the afternoon?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they called it brunch lids.
		So I wrote this article in July of 2023 called Biden's Bougie Brunch Lid.
		And it was about the number of brunch lids they were calling.
		And from a rough count of White House pool reports so far this year, this is from...
		January to July of 2023, they had called a brunch lid...
		42 times, and they called a lunch lid 39 times.
		That's just in a six-month period.
		And the brunch lid apparently got so much backlash after this piece came out that members of the White House communications team and members of the White House Correspondents Association instructed White House correspondents to stop using the term because of the negative optics, saying that it didn't deserve to be in the official record of the White House.
		They are the ones who came up with it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		None of them deserve any of your sympathy?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		None of them deserve to be in the White House anymore.
unidentified		But they do deserve your disdain.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		What if the foreword is Jake Tapper issuing a mea culpa?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Then I don't care.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's making money off it.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		He also needs to do a mea culpa on the Trump Tower story because he was one of the authors on that and might have won a Pulitzer Prize for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it Jake Tapper who said you're not allowed to have the DNC emails?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was him, right?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember when the emails got released?
		It might have been, I'm not sure, but CNN, they're like, you know, it's illegal for people to have these emails, so you can't have them, but we are allowed to have them.
		It's like, that's not true.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Don't buy his book.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You should definitely pirate it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, you should not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't read that garbage.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I'm not surprised that this is what we're getting from the corporate press.
		The CNN Jake Tapper story is absolutely hilarious, but...
		You know, I've worked in media for some time now, and I remember going to these events, and I just—going to various universities and news events, these people are the elite of the elite.
		It is Capital City in the Hunger Games.
		That's who these journalists are.
		I mean, have you guys seen images of the White House Correspondent Association, what these people dress like?
		They dress like Capital City in the Hunger Games.
		Yeah, it's like, go watch Hunger Games in the capital city in the weird clothes.
		That's what they dress like.
		They are removed from the regular public.
		They view themselves as a cartel.
		They think they're entitled to things.
		We had, who was it on the show?
		Nick Sorter was saying that he was at the capital, and someone came up to him yelling and wasn't allowed to be there, and he thought it was a staffer or something.
		Turns out it was a journalist.
		And he was like, what?
		Like, why are they yelling at me?
		Because they think they're entitled.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and Eugene Daniels is the person you're most referring to because he's the president of the White House Correspondence Association, and there's been pictures circulating of some of his outfit choices and his painted nails and things of that nature.
		You can kind of see where I'm going with this.
		He actually asked the Daily Caller to sign on to the Associated Press's defense letter when the Trump administration said you're no longer allowed to cover Oval Office events or fly on Air Force One.
		And I was like, we would never sign your letter because you did nothing the past four years when Biden clamped down on access on independent and conservative outlets.
		He hit me back and was like, I'd love to talk about how we can better support you.
		And I responded.
		I'm like, sure, I'll talk to you.
		No reply.
		Ghosted me.
		So he only cared when it was to benefit his friends at the Associated Press.
		And then as soon as that letter was out, I was useless to him again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They deserve your disdain.
		You should not feel bad for any of them.
		They should not be allowed access.
		I've said this before.
		The thing that these people want more than anything else is access.
		They want to be the cool insiders in D.C. They want to go to the White House Correspondents' Dinner and get dressed up in ballroom regalia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's what blue check Twitter verification was.
		And that's why it was overwhelmingly journalists that were verified on Twitter before Elon took it.
		They intentionally, you know, Twitter was smart about this.
		They said, these are people who control the flow of information through these media outlets.
		Let's suck up to them and make them feel special so they will pander to us.
		And that's how they would try to get favorable news coverage in the way they wanted it.
		Then Elon took their blue checks away and they cried so hard.
		It was really funny because there'd be, I remember the Wall Street Journal had a reporter with 200 followers and he was verified.
		And there's a lot of prominent individuals in independent media.
		So for me, my story was – and look, people are like – Tim's just telling another story about himself, but I don't know anybody else or their stories.
		I mean like no one's told me the stories about how they got screwed over, how verified.
		I had 30-something thousand followers.
		I had a bunch of videos, and activists were like, why aren't these people being verified?
		I wasn't working for anybody.
		That was the reason.
		It wasn't until I joined Vice.
		That Vice called Twitter and said, verify Tim Pool, and overnight, had a verification.
		These same activists were upset because they were like, here's a guy with 200 followers who's verified and nobody knows who he is.
		And he was an editor at the Wall Street Journal.
		Why was he verified?
		Because he was a journalist, and journalists are special people.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I had one of those.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		See?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		You were a special verification.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How did you get verified?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Because I worked for a news outlet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they called Twitter and said, do it?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		There was some submission form.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Wow.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this was in 2017 or 18, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Early on, they had the submission forms you could submit to verify.
		The original intention of it was anybody could verify their accounts to prove they were who they said they were.
		And then they deactivated the ability to do it because...
		Too many people were doing it, I guess.
		They didn't want to pay for it.
		So then they had an editorial team giving badges to people, and verification didn't mean you were who you were.
		It meant special person.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I must have gotten in before that, but I do remember the submission form said something to the effect of if you are like a public figure, particularly a journalist, then you get more likely to get it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think they eventually rolled something like that out.
		But when I got verified, it was 2013, and there was no way to do it.
		Vice employees literally called Twitter on the phone and said, Verify Tim Pool, and they went, okay.
		And then they were like, you're good.
		I went to my phone, opened up, like, got it.
		There's my blue checkmark.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It gave you special features, too.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It did.
		It did.
		I don't remember when I got mine, but I know that it was because of the band.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You got it before Elon took over?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I had it in, like, 2000. 12 or something.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		So you had like a social media manager that did it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not that I'm aware of.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, the thing was for celebrities, music, bands, actors, or whatever, they were intentionally every day seeking them out to verify them because they wanted to give the platform credibility.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They wanted to say, hey, Phil, look, you're special, right?
		And then that would encourage him to tell people, come here.
		I gotta tell you.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Now they can go be special and blue sky.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got in the parties with the verification bench.
unidentified		That's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm verified and decided I worked for Vice.
		And so I went to a party, and I'm like, sorry, you can't come in.
		I was like, here's my phone.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		People thought it was a big deal.
		Yeah, it was supposedly a big deal, and then the journalists ruined it because they thought that it made them special.
		But, I mean, one other thing about the WHCA that I find so funny is, like, you're talking about mostly the people who appear on camera are dressed like they're in the Hunger Games, and they love to go to these parties.
		But then there's this other smaller subset of legacy media that does not appear on camera, and these people are complete slobs.
		Like, I'm not even kidding you when I say, like, they make probably more money than, I mean, not this room, sorry, but in general, they make a lot of money for people who just, like, work normal jobs.
		And yet they were dressed in like the most ill-fitting, like falling apart at the scenes clothes.
		They would leave their trash everywhere.
		The bathroom's constantly out of order in the briefing room.
		There's like rats and there's water stains and all of it was just a gross place to be.
		And these people like took no pride in themselves.
		And so watching them write these articles where they're like snarking on everyday Americans and looking at them with such contempt.
		Like, have you looked in the mirror lately?
		Like you are apparently what you hate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you guys some numbers.
		I don't know.
		Did I ever give the salary numbers from Fusion before?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's been 10 years.
		It's been longer than that.
		They wrote me a check for $200,000.
		$250,000 a year salary for two years, plus, I believe, a $3 million budget.
		So when they recruited me, they were like, they slid a piece of paper across the table, and I was like, sure.
		That's a lot of money.
		Vice didn't pay that well.
		Vice gave me $100,000.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		$100,000?
		What, 12 years ago?
		13 years ago?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I was 26 or 27, so when they said, we'll give you $100,000 and we'll fly, like, Vice was cool.
		I mean, they were like, you can go anywhere in the world you want, whenever you want, and we'll pay you $100,000 to do it.
		And I was like, sign me up!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		$100,000 is like $60,000 now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Probably, yeah.
		Yeah.
		So it was good.
		And then Fusion basically said, we're going to do the exact same thing Vice did for you, but more money.
		And I was like, okay.
		And then I basically just didn't spend any of it and just used it to launch a company.
		But that's why, you know, Luke Rakowski was like, Tim, don't do it.
		Don't join the corporate press.
		Because Fusion was basically ABC News, and I was working out of the ABC News building.
		Whoopi Goldberg would be in the elevator, like, every day.
		I'd be, like, standing next to Whoopi Goldberg and be like, hey, Star Trek was great.
		And I got to go and, like, look at The View and everything they got going on.
		And there's always people outside.
		Luke was like, don't do it, Tim.
		They're evil.
		And then I was like, bro, I'm going to go work for this company.
		It's going to pay me stupid money.
		And then afterwards, I'm going to...
		Do my own thing for as long as I need to and as long as I want.
		And with the money I had left over, I was able to just do whatever I wanted.
		Fly to Sweden.
		I didn't have as much...
		They're paying me a salary.
		Obviously, I had to pay my rent, pay my bills, and pay costs and stuff like that.
		But I basically used the money to buy a computer, buy cameras, start setting things up.
		Took a little while, but I had a savings to live off of.
		So there you go.
		There's numbers.
		And you're probably going like, holy...
		Crap, that's a lot of money to be paid by a news outlet.
		I mean, yeah, and that was low.
		Like, I didn't negotiate.
		One of the other guys that worked for Fusion was getting half a million a year.
		A regular journalist.
		You probably wouldn't even know his name if I said it.
		I'm not gonna.
		Some guy never...
		I mean, he wasn't a dick.
		He was a nice guy.
		Like, I'm not gonna rag on him.
		I don't know what he's doing now, and he's never mean to me, so there's no reason for me to just, you know, throw shade at people.
		But, yeah, no joke.
		They hire a guy, and they're like, we'll give you $500,000 a year.
		And he's like, okay.
		That's the kind of stuff they do with these companies.
		It's mind-blowing.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You've seen mass layoffs in almost all of these outlets by now, though.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And that era is definitively over.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, to be honest, they weren't making money.
		You know, Fusion had, I think, I was told, $300 million in investment from very powerful interests.
		And they did not care how it was spent.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, most of the big outlets are being bankrolled by someone.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Very few of them are actually profitable.
unidentified		Yeah.
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		And we are going to take your calls.
		And your comments.
		And it's going to be a lot of fun.
		We also have the Green Room show.
		We didn't get one in today because today was absolutely crazy.
		I was on the phone all day.
		Just nuts.
		But we do usually have the Green Room podcast up Monday through Friday, premium members only, plus our feature-length documentaries.
		Let's grab some Super Chats!
		The Common Neighbor says, these files reveal water is wet.
		I hadn't known that.
		Joe Spinell says, yeah, rogue agents, hook, line, and sinker to all the influencers.
		That's the front.
		The files will now be gone forever.
		There's the cover-up.
		I think you've all been had.
		I gotta say, people are pissed on X. Mary was not wrong.
		I'm pissed on X. There you go.
		That's a happening.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's a happening?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The influencers that came out all smiling and holding up their binders, I'm like, wow, man, they're getting roasted.
		Because people are pointing out, it's like you were handed a prop by the White House, walked out into the press, And then you all giggled and smiled and showed off these binders.
		Not everyone did, but even the people who didn't are getting ragged on.
		And that's not fair.
		Some of the people who were there had no idea, and I respect them.
		And I'm not mad at any of them.
		You know what I mean?
		Like, it's...
		That's what happens, right?
		Raymond J. Stanley Jr. says, Tim, do you think the influencers' photo op of the Phase 1 Nothing Burger is the first L of the Trump administration?
		MAGA is divided on that one.
		Yeah, maybe.
		I don't know what they were thinking.
		Honestly.
		I was talking to a couple of people on the phone, and I said, I think this was a stunt.
		Because they were saying, we had no idea this was happening, and I was like, yeah, look at the photos that are coming out, man.
		It's not looking good.
		This is crazy.
		Very weird.
unidentified		Very weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what the intention was.
		You know, I'll just say this.
		White House, if they want to do stunts that make an impact and work, They should never have distanced themselves from Laura Loomer.
		I'm not joking!
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Have her handcuff herself to the SDNY headquarters.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That is a phenomenal point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But think about that move when she handcuffed herself to Twitter HQ. There's nothing more to it.
		It just generated a mass amount of attention on an issue.
		The problem with this stunt at the White House today is that people feel like they've been tricked.
		They feel like they've been had.
		if pan bondy just gave laura loomer the the binder and let laura go off with it the news would have been way more favorable to them it would have been like where's the rest of it but still better than whatever this stunt was say levy i'm not crying about it guys i I mean, even though I would say it's not overall a good day for whatever they were trying to pull off, tomorrow is another day and there should be developments.
		And other than that, I'm way too happy with the Trump administration to be all that bent out of shape.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I really do think, look, if tomorrow there's substance, all this will be forgotten about.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If they have substance, if they have actual things to report, and there's actual evidence that comes out, and if there's a substantial drop, or if internal affairs kicks in the doors of the FBI office in the Southern District of New York, that will be substance as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to need you, Phil, for this one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		James Horensen says, a Horensen, congrats to him on the baby, but it's sad to see that you didn't honor the tradition of watching the show and super chatting while your wife was in labor.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he did.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's it.
		I don't think we read it, but he did super chat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The chat was blowing up.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Wait to read it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was at 8.15, and I superchatted $100.
		No, I kept looking for it that day, and I couldn't find it on the chat.
		I scrolled up and down numerous times.
		8.15, $100 superchat from me, and the chat was blowing up, all saying, congrats, Tim, congrats, Tim.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware.
unidentified		I also looked at it.
unidentified		I tried to get it, and I went back and kept looking for it over and over and over again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't shown.
unidentified		I imagine it was auto-moded by YouTube.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't want brigading and stuff like that.
unidentified		They see 300-plus.
		That's what I'm assuming, because I checked it numerous, numerous times.
		I could see it coming earlier, and I couldn't obviously stop.
		So, hey, guys.
		Just so you know, Tim did the meme.
		I didn't want to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I did.
		Callan said he saw it.
		Well, I mean, I was chatting with people.
		So I'm sorry you missed it, sir, but of course I super chatted.
		And it was a crazy story.
		If you want to hear the story, it's on the Green Room podcast.
		Which episode of the Green Room one was that?
		Let me try and pull that one up so I can direct y'all in the right direction.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Last Friday, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it?
		Well, was it the Green Room?
		It wasn't the Green Room on Friday.
		It would have been Monday.
		Was it this Monday?
		I think it would have been this Monday.
		The Green Room, and it was...
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because you were back on Monday.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joey Manorino.
		Yeah.
		So, Green Room number 88 with Joey Manorino.
		Fatherhood, children, the importance of family.
		Go to rumble.com slash...
		I'll just pull it up right here.
		You can see it.
		Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL. Watch this Green Room episode.
		I mean, the green room, it's really taken off.
		We're getting 40,000 plus views on these episodes.
		It's massive.
		And this is Rumble Premium only.
		Super cool, guys.
		Very, very cool.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Chuck's a great conversationalist.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's great.
		He's great.
		He just, you know, he's a genuine guy who's interested in these guests.
		He's never met before.
		And then he asks the questions that bring you home.
		But I came in for the first time after having a kid and they asked questions and I answered them.
		So there you go.
		If you want to hear the story about how it all went down.
		It's like it's three in the morning and I'm sleeping and I have this thing called a sleep sanity.
		I recommend it.
		It is a I got an ad on Instagram.
		Oh, let me tell you about Instagram, guys.
		I get these ads on Instagram and I'm just smacking the buy button.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No matter what.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Their algorithm is really good.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They've got it down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I recently bought a pair of exoskeleton legs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because of Instagram.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, I'm getting dresses, makeup.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Carbon fiber exo-legs that increase jump strength by 40%.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I got pots and pans.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You could be a basketball player now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're going to experiment with these things and see how they improve our ability to skateboard.
		Because it's got an AI that tracks your gait and movement and predicts where you're going.
		And then motors will help you lift your legs up.
		Super crazy.
		But anyway, I was on Instagram and this thing called Sleep Sanity was advertised to me.
		It is a headband that covers your ears.
		And it's not a blindfold.
		It has some kind of visor screen that when you turn on, it dims.
		It's darker.
		Yeah, it's super cool.
		And then it has orange glowing light around it, which stimulates melatonin production.
		And the headphones will play whatever sound you want or no sound at all.
		So I have, before bed, I put this thing on.
		All sound is gone, and then it sounds like I'm standing in the Grand Canyon at night.
		It's playing like this wind blowing, and it glows yellow, and then I'm out like a rock.
		My deep sleep has increased by like 20%.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		My husband has sleep apnea, so I might need that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't hear anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I have...
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Earplugs that I put in every night, and I think they damage your hearing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And the best thing is, even though I have them, I'm fairly certain the baby hasn't cried once.
		I mean, when I wake up, Allison's hair is all messed up.
		Her eyes have dark rings under them.
		But that's just, you know, something else.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Tim, before you get back into it, Hung Kao just posted a tweet from Donald Trump, or a truth from Donald Trump.
		I am pleased to announce that Hung Kao will be our next United States Undersecretary of the Navy.
		Wow!
		The embodiment of the American dream.
		As a refugee to our great nation, Hung worked tirelessly to make proud the country that gave his family a home.
		He went to our amazing United States Naval Academy and later earned his Master's Degree in Physics.
		Hung served in combat as a special operations officer for 25 years with Hung's...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm a big fan, and I firmly believe that he would have won if he came on TimCast IRL. I really wish he would have.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		As a Virginia resident.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, I don't think we actually tried really hard to get him on the show.
		I think I just tweeted about it one time, and I'm not sure we actually reached out.
		We might have, but his ad was amazing.
		Yeah, the knocking on the door, fleeing Vietnam when the communists are coming.
		That dude's great.
		Congratulations to Hunko.
		All right, Garrett says, call up the 101st Air Assault, secure the roof, set up man pads to prevent helicopter rescue and secure all entrances.
		Go through SDNY as a terror cell.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Bro.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Arrest them, he says.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Arrest them all.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not your buddy, guys.
		If evidence and truth matter, Derek Chauvin would never have gone to jail.
		Public opinion is all that matters.
		Phase one means more to come.
		Indeed.
		And Mike Cernovich was talking about this.
		He said Pam Bondi is doing her best, and I genuinely believe SDNY is a rogue element.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's get some of these rumble rants.
		We got Torched Medic.
		If the agency tasked with enforcing the law does not want to do that and instead place politics...
		Conspire against riots and go rogue.
		It's time to send the military to arrest them.
		No, no, no, no.
		Other feds.
		Military posse comitatus.
		We don't want to do that.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		The FBI should arrest the FBI. There's a tweet that Mike Ben sent out, by the way, with an excerpt from a 2014 CNN documentary about Whitey Bulger, and it says, Whoa.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Protocaster says, a company I work with is pursuing a lawsuit with the DNC because the DNC is refusing to pay their contract from one of the DNC events.
		Good to know they're consistent, I guess.
		Well, why would they?
		They lost the election.
		They ain't paying nothing.
		Nicholson says, remind Mary that executive orders are like free samples to let people see what they like and then help move polling for the laws to get passed.
		Plus, we need an immediate win.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Free samples.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I love that.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The Sam's Club for dinner.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I know, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's a great line.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		IKY says, you called it, Tim.
		Media boosting leftist podcasters.
		Slate article.
		Who's afraid of Hassan Piker?
		He's hot.
		He's dangerous.
		Young men actually listen to him.
		Is he what Democrats are looking for?
unidentified		Sure.
		I guess.
		Look, man.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		He's not hot, though.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If they want to go ahead and lift up Hassan Piker, more power to him.
		It's only a matter of time before he says something.
		It's completely ridiculous.
		That is completely out of step with the American people.
		So, yes, DNC, get behind that man, throw a bunch of money in him, and then next time he says something crazy like the United States deserved 9-11, they'll go ahead and spread that throughout the country and further discredit your entire political party.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Pinochet says, James Comey's daughter prosecuted Maxwell.
		The trial was a farce.
		A scripted, orchestrated farce, she prosecuted the case but kept doors closed and assured nobody would ask questions.
		You know, did you guys see that Megyn Kelly insinuated Epstein's alive?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pardon me?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		In saying what exactly?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		On her podcast like last week, she said she has a lot of information pertaining to Epstein, which you're going to hear from a lot of people, maybe even Epstein himself.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's audio recording.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Or video, yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people think that Anthony Bourdain was the body double.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not kidding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're like, how do we secretly get Epstein out of jail?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need a body double, but the only one is Anthony Bourdain.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		We have such a striking resemblance from the profile, you know?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, people really did claim that at the time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there's that meme where it shows the political compass, and it's Epstein, Hunter Biden, Anthony Bourdain, and I don't know who the other person was, but they have a quarter of their face in each of them, and they all say that they look kind of similar.
		Let's go!
		What do we got?
		Lucky Chariot says, there's files posted to the FBI vault website.
		I haven't read through them all, but there's 22 parts.
		Are people saying there's more that hasn't been released?
		Yeah, so Pam Bondi put out new information, but it's not incriminating.
		So there's a lot of new information.
		You can look at the flight logs, but it doesn't prove anything.
		So Trump and his family apparently flew on Epstein's plane.
		There's two stories.
		One is that he was getting a ride to Atlantic City and that Epstein wasn't even on the plane.
		I don't know for sure.
		The question is, did they fly to the island?
		That's what I would like to know.
		And I gotta be honest, guys.
		I don't care if Trump is on the list.
		Release it.
		These liberals are like, oh yeah, well Trump's on the list.
		I'm like, wow, really?
		Let me see it.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Get him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Get him then.
		Yeah, let me see the list.
		I'm here.
		I don't think anyone's arguing against that.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's a child rapist, but he's a Republican?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Publish the list!
		You're not going to hear people say, well, he's a child rapist, but he's our child rapist.
		No, they're going to say, take him to jail.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have jail.
		All right, we got Bill A. He says, I'm a simple trucker from Oklahoma.
		I think, yeah, it would be nice to know the terrible people who were involved in the Epstein Island thing, but I'm more worried about our economy and the border.
		That was what you were saying, Mary, and I think you're right.
		It is kind of interesting that Pam Bondi made this story happen.
		She didn't have to.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's a chronically online issue that no one in the real world thinks or talks about.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I wish they would, but they don't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This morning...
		I was talking with Sean, and I was like, this transgender story is really big that Trump booted.
		They issued a filing saying all transgender personnel will be separated from the military.
		And I was like, is that the big story, or do we just talk about the Epstein stuff because the files haven't come out yet, and there's word that documents are coming out today?
		And Sean was like, I don't think people really care all that much about this ongoing Epstein story.
		The views aren't there.
		People don't pay attention to it.
		And I was like...
		Maybe we'd be better off waiting until we get definitive information on Epstein.
		And so I was sitting here waiting longer than normal for news to break.
		And we opted to open the morning show with the transgender military stuff.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I found it so sinister that the phrase Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself became a meme because it started out with people actually stating that in earnest when they had reason to believe it.
		And it...
		It just turned into a meme that meant nothing anymore, and it became a laughingstock.
		Lost its context in the process.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You think people that say it don't actually believe it?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		What I mean is it was said in earnest at first, and then once it became a meme, the context was stripped from the statement and what it really meant, and the seriousness of it was lost.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree completely.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think I agree about this.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think that was almost intentional.
		You notice how, like, none of the Jeffrey Epstein...
		Didn't kill himself memes were censored on social media.
		They were allowed to reign free.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were censored on YouTube.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		As far as I could tell.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I agree that it...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't on YouTube.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I agree that it tamped down the seriousness, but I think it became a meme because it was so obviously true.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think I'm with you.
		I think that it was kind of...
		Everyone was like...
		Of course.
		I really feel like everybody...
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like hang himself with toilet paper or something?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, something...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it was...
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Might as well.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was ridiculous.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, the only time the camera goes off just for the amount of time necessary for the man to shuffle loose this mortal coil.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would like to pull up this here image from Message from the Mind Field of a super chat from Tim Pool.
		It says, howdy, Timcast friends.
		I'm currently in the hospital waiting for my first child to be born.
		Let's go.
		And how dare you impugn my honor?
		There it is.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Real fan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		637 thumbs up.
		People were saying like, woo, you go, Tim.
		And it was very difficult for me.
		I mean, I had to sit on a couch and watch sci-fi for like...
		12 hours?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Is that how long she was in labor?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		So tough.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Must have been so hard for you, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My stomach hurt from the hospital food.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's also like the sympathy pains, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The what?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Sympathy pains.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What's sympathy?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		For what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but a special heartfelt thank you to Allison.
		She is incredible.
		And she is currently taking care of the baby while I do work.
		And she definitely has FOMO. Because she works here too, and she does all the administrative stuff, so she's always in and out working.
		But now she's on a small maternity leave, sort of.
		I mean, I still see her every day, but, you know, baby can't go anywhere just yet.
		Baby's only a week old.
		So there's a lot of things that have to be taken care of for baby.
		And this is a true story.
		The other day we were watching The Five, as I do every day, and I'm not kidding.
		Baby was sleeping.
		Greg Gutfeld starts talking and she looks over at the TV and opens her eyes, which, you know, for a week old, like, the eyes are closed all the time.
		It's, like, too bright.
		And starts just staring at Greg Gutfeld as he talks.
		The camera changed.
		I'm not going to say to who because I don't want to be mean to them, but baby started crying.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Was it Jessica Tarlov?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think she was on.
		I think Harold Ford Jr. was on the show that time.
		It goes to commercial and baby just goes off and is crying and we're thinking, okay, maybe it's a diaper change thing.
		And then as we're, you know, taking care of baby, it comes back onto the five and Greg Gutfeld leads and baby immediately turns to the TV again looking and then just stares at Greg Gutfeld and we all started laughing and Allison's mom was like, she loves Greg!
		She's enamored.
		It cut away from Greg after about a minute of him doing, like, it was like the one more thing or whatever it was, and then baby started crying again.
		And we were like, I don't know why this baby likes Greg Gutfeld so much, but I tweeted, you know, my daughter knows who the real talent on the five is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's, I'm not exaggerating in any way.
		That's literally what happened.
		We thought it was hilarious, so I tweeted.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Harold Ford Jr. is, like, completely reasonable for a Democrat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think Tarlov and Ford Jr. are fake people.
		Like, I'm sorry, man.
		Tarlov is a bit more insufferable, with all due respect, than Harold Ford Jr. He does seem reasonable.
		But how can you sit next to four people who are correct and then keep being wrong?
		I don't get it.
		Well, maybe we could ask Ian.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ha ha!
		I got him.
		Zing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but like for Tarlov...
		She's sitting there and it's like, yo, they fact-checked everything they're showing you.
		How could you keep disagreeing with them?
		It's like she's just doing it while they pay her to be.
		They're like, you're the heel, you know?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, it was like the, you know, handing in combs.
		Like, combs would sit there and just, he was there to get beat up.
		And, you know, he did a good job of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's grab a, we got time for maybe one or two more.
		Based African says Phil is incorrect.
		Kamala would not have run against JD as he had not been announced yet.
		Would have gone to RNC runner-up.
		I believe Nikki Haley.
		That's right.
		Yeah, I would have gone to Nikki Haley.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I meant to mention that, but I didn't want to.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		We were already off to something else.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's fine.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		But then it makes me think, well, I don't know.
		Were there interests not on the left?
		Interests that wanted Nikki Haley to be the nominee?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know one says the story earlier about Andrew Tate and Ron DeSantis was at a press conference called to shine a light on amazing work the Florida State Guard has been doing in the past few years.
		Rescue, respond, serve.
		Go FSG.
		Do you guys hear that Tate's in town?
unidentified		He's in Florida.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I got to be honest, like I don't follow the controversy surrounding Andrew Tate.
		I've seen some clips, but that that's not enough evidence for me to accuse him of anything other than the clips I saw were kind of like they were horrible.
		But I don't know.
		What I can tell you is all these conservatives saying don't associate, you know, stay away from Tate and all that stuff.
		I'm like, if you can cede this battleground to Andrew Tate and just let him have the minds of all these young men, he won.
		I don't understand what their argument is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, the argument is he made his money.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		By doing, you know, by being an only fan.
unidentified		By pimping and trafficking.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, by pimping and trafficking.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, like, that right there is good enough reason to be like, yo, you shouldn't associate with this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, because if he's got 10 million followers that are young men, and you're like, I'm gonna show him, I'm not gonna talk to him.
		It's like, he's got more followers than you, bro.
		You need to convince the young men following him, assuming what you're saying about Tate is true.
		You need to communicate to his audience.
		So you need him to sit down with you on your platform so you can challenge him on these ideas and explain why he's wrong.
		If you say, I'm not going to associate with that guy, well, he's already winning.
		He's extremely wealthy.
		He's got 10 million plus followers just on X alone, not to mention all his other platforms.
		If you just ignore him, you're not doing anything.
		You're not challenging the ideas.
		It's absurd to me.
		So by all means, don't like the guy.
		You have to enter the arena of ideas and debate for your victory.
		I'll give you one.
		Andrew Tate said on X, men should have as many kids with as many women as possible and you're a conqueror.
		The Western world and the greatest civilization known to man was built by monogamy.
		That's it.
		That's a fact.
		That's not an opinion.
		So all these young men out there that are agreeing with him in that regard, he's not correct.
		He's got some good talking points.
		But again, I don't really follow much of the controversy around them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		My thing was like, look, when you say go and have as many kids as you possibly can with as many women as you can, that doesn't raise children.
		And we need children that are raised in families that are well-adjusted.
		Be a father.
		That's how you win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not by just going around and inseminating women.
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amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just follow me on social media at AmberMarieDuke and check out The Daily Caller, dailycaller.com.
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phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Listen, validation is what Instagram is for and criticism is on XO. But also, please like me.
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