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Epstein Files Release IMMINENT, Trump AG Says List Is ON HER DESK w/ Will Chamberlain | Timcast IRL
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phil labonte
Attorney General Bondi says that the Epstein client list is sitting on my desk right now.
She's reviewing the JFK and MLK files.
This is a promises made, promises kept story.
The Trump administration has made it clear that these things are going to be released to the public.
And seeing as Kash Patel has been confirmed by the Senate, Information that gets out to the public.
So we're going to talk about that.
There's some new information about Sean Diddy Combs in Related Nudes.
Sean P. Diddy Combs' lawyer quits his sex trafficking case.
The quote was, under no circumstances can I continue.
So we'll get into that and see what that actually means.
Then on more serious...
Well, I mean, I guess it's kind of serious.
Serious news.
Trump has fired the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
That's a big deal.
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs, that's the head general.
Trump let him go, and we don't have a whole lot of information.
That broke just as the show started tonight, but we'll get into that.
The judge has denied the bid to block the administration from placing U.S. aid workers on leave.
We'll talk about that.
A judge defers ruling in the Eric Adams case, appointing a lawyer to guide decision.
So it seems that Kathy Hochul will not be trying to replace Mayor Eric Adams, but we'll discuss that.
There's been a bunch of incidents or a bunch of news coming out of Israel with the release of bodies, not prisoners, not even prisoners, bodies of...
What were Hamas's hostages?
And it's kind of a horror show, but we'll talk about that.
And then it's 2020 all over again.
COVID-like bat virus discovered by researchers in Chinese lab.
The Wuhan Institute of Virology has some kind of new bug and hopefully it stays in Wuhan.
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will chamberlain
Thank you.
phil labonte
It's been a while.
Returning champion.
will chamberlain
Yeah, right.
The return of the prodigal son.
No, it's good to be back.
It's been a while since I've been on IRL, and I'm always happy to be here.
I'm senior counsel at the Article 3 Project, working with Mike Davis.
We work and have been successful, I think, in getting a huge slew of Trump's nominees confirmed.
I mean, obviously, there's a lot of people, other people working, but...
phil labonte
Well, you haven't...
The only person that hasn't been confirmed that Trump picked was his first AG pick for Gates, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think he...
He got ultimately what he wanted, which was to be a, you know, he's now a primetime host on OAN, so congratulations.
Good for him.
But yeah, I think, you know, other than that, and that lasted four days, I think.
I think a lot of people thought it would go worse with the nominees.
There were a lot of people betting a lot of people would have been not gotten through the process, so we're happy to see.
phil labonte
That's something that I'd like to talk a little bit more about tonight, too, the confirmation process and just how successful Donald Trump has been getting the...
Not only the people that he wants, but how successful his first, you know, couple weeks has been so far, but we'll get to that.
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brett dasovic
Yes, guys, Brett here.
Normally I am hosting Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.
Eastern on YouTube, but tonight we've got a bunch of stuff to get into it, so let's go.
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phil labonte
Shout out Mickey Tech, RIP. That's really hard to deal with.
Losing people, losing family members, losing friends, it's a really tough thing.
And that speaks to one of the things that the Discord has really done.
It's really got...
It's given people a place to really, like I said, we talk about meeting like-minded people and stuff.
And one of the hard truths of life is when you care about people, losing them really hurts.
And so we send our best out to...
To Raymond G. Stanley Jr.'s friends and stuff.
Alright, we're going to go ahead and get into the news today.
We're going to start with the Bondi says Epstein client list sitting on my desk right now and is reviewing the JFK MLK files.
I'm of the opinion that this is an important story to a fairly narrow group of people.
But I think that the reason I say this is because there are people that find it extremely interesting.
The content of it, right?
Like children being raped, it's a serious story.
brett dasovic
What do you mean by narrow group of people?
Like just people who have kept their focus on that specifically?
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that I mean that there are people that are really, really, really interested in this story.
brett dasovic
Connects with the Diddy files, because what it is is both of those cases have become this sort of quasi-catch-all for when somebody doesn't like someone on the internet, they say they're probably in the Diddy files, they're probably in the Epstein files.
So actually seeing something done about it and seeing follow-through actually is a really, really big deal.
phil labonte
Yeah, and there are people that I think that it's really important to, but the...
I say it's narrow because it doesn't have a major impact on most people's lives.
It's important that People that have done these kind of crimes, committed these kind of crimes, you know, like child trafficking and stuff, it's important that the FBI go after them.
So I think it's very good that Cash is not only putting this information out so that people can see it and so that we bring this to light, but hopefully there will be arrests.
If there are names on these lists of people that are implicated in committing crimes, the FBI should get them.
They should wrap them up and they should be prosecuted, and it doesn't matter who they are.
When I said narrow, what I mean is it doesn't have a really big effect on the average.
brett dasovic
Well, no, the cases themselves, the actual list does not have an effect on the average everyday person's life.
But an erosion of trust in the government, an erosion of trust in power speaks to the average everyday person's reasons for voting for Donald Trump.
And one of the big parts of that is they feel like the government has been held unaccountable.
They feel like celebrities like that get to spout off anything they want and nothing bad happens to them, no matter how much bad they do in the world.
So that depends on your idea of average everyday lives and whether it affects them, because if it brings back a certain amount of trust in the people that we're supposed to believe are out to help us or at least enforce the laws, then there is some type of benefit for everybody because it can help start building trust then there is some type of benefit for everybody because it can help start building trust once again with these institutions that we During his speech, it was beautiful when he got when he signed in, I got sworn in, I'm
raymond g stanley-jr
He's had accountability like three times.
The energy in that room when he was talking, everyone was so excited.
He had the boys in his room with him.
And so Cash Patel being sworn in, hopefully he brings us that accountability that we're all looking for and we're seeking.
phil labonte
Will do you have a sense of what kind of director Cash is going to be?
will chamberlain
I mean, he's going to be a badass.
Like, we've seen Cash is extraordinarily effective.
I think the thing that Cash did during the first administration, he was working for Devin Nunes.
He did an incredible job revealing what Adam Schiff and what a lot of the Democrats had been doing to try and screw the Trump administration, to try and manufacture the Russian narrative.
He's really diligent.
And he's also been targeted by these people.
I think one of the best parts of the way that Trump has set up his cabinet is in so many cases, He's chosen people that have been in some way the victim of the agency they're now overseeing, right?
Like he chose Tulsi Gabbard as the head of D&I. Tulsi Gabbard was on the deep sky, blue skies, deep skies?
phil labonte
I think it was quiet skies.
will chamberlain
Quiet skies, right.
Some skies.
The program that was instituting the surveillance over her, and now she gets to supervise them.
phil labonte
One of the things that I find most problematic with that is Tulsi Gabbard, as a lieutenant colonel, In the National Guard.
I think she was the Reserves.
Lieutenant Colonel in the Reserves.
To achieve that kind of rank, that's not like a butter bars lieutenant.
That's a very high-ranking person.
And to think that...
Even though she's gone through all the vetting necessary to not only be an officer in the National Guard and then an officer in the reserves, but also to continue to get promotions after they've already started to slime her and stuff.
I think that it speaks to how...
How bad the narrative-building machine was and how they were treating people.
But you mentioned the people that Donald Trump had gotten confirmed, but I think it was Bhattacharya?
will chamberlain
Yeah, Bhattacharya was targeted by NIH. NIH and Francis Collins, who's the previous head, did all this work to marginalize him.
And now he's running NIH. And that's a sort of consistent theme where...
This is not going to be the first administration.
You know, I supported Governor DeSantis in the primary.
A lot of people know that.
And I went down to actually work for him.
And I mean, a big part of it, you know, wasn't...
I was a Trump supporter in the first term, but I knew that there were issues with how he had staffed up and he just had...
He had a lot of trouble kind of getting a hold of the administration.
And I think he'd admit as much.
But what...
I've been thrilled by the first month of Trump 2 and every pick.
And it's just clear, like...
Not only has he learned from the mistakes of the first term, has he selected people who are not going to just be captured by their institutions.
He's also personally very invested in ensuring that the government functions the way it should this time.
And I think, you know, I really think in many ways it's like the four years off has done him really good.
And we're about to...
I'm thrilled with what I'm seeing.
I think we're about to have a really amazing four years.
brett dasovic
Even look at how vocal in front of the camera J.D. Vance is in comparison to Mike Pence during the first term.
He's taken a much more front seat approach to how he's taking on the media and pushing forward the ideas that the Trump administration is trying to push through.
And he is very, very good for that.
that and it speaks to a big change between term one and term two.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think it's important that not only Donald Trump be, you know, Donald Trump and talk to the media the same way that he does and be that, you know, strong persona that But having a vice president that will also take the media to task is one of the things that I really think that...
Especially looking back, one of the worst things about Pence was he was clearly the old guard establishment, and he wouldn't stand up and say, you know what, no, the president is right, and actually take it to the left.
And the media has been such a valuable tool to the left.
And only recently has kind of the rest of the country, or when I say the rest of the country, I mean like the people that used to say, no, it's not that the media is biased, it's just that they're mostly in the city, so they have kind of a...
Default urban perspective.
No, that's not true at all.
They're actually funded by NGOs and funded by organizations that are looking to push a narrative that comes straight out of the government.
When you talk about the USAID money that was going to Politico and other organizations.
will chamberlain
I think the key thing with Vance is Vance means that Trump isn't a lame duck.
Because Vance represents...
A further eight years of continuation of what Trump is doing.
And I think that's so different from the first term where Pence was clearly not of the MAGA world.
And so it's an opportunity to create a wedge.
It puts in question whether or not this is going to be the permanent direction of the Republican Party.
If it's an end to that, you have, you know, he's young, an elite communicator in his own right.
brett dasovic
Yes, he's a fantastic speaker.
And he can take the media to task in a way that sometimes even better than Trump can.
Like he is a better communicator, a better speaker.
And he needs that right now because one of the things is, is they like to harp on the miss, the misspeaks and the things.
Things that he says that he kind of, you know, Trump gets carried away and he goes off and then they grab onto something, right?
And Vance doesn't have that problem.
Kind of in the same way we would joke that Vance had this one bad moment where he tried to go into a donut shop and seem like a normal person and just failed.
Like, you don't need him to do the normal guy shtick.
He is a fantastic communicator, he's a fantastic front-of-the-line politician.
Let him do that.
will chamberlain
Yeah, Trump is like the sledgehammer.
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
will chamberlain
Vance is the scalpel, right?
Like, Vance is like surgical, kind of legalistic debate mind.
Make sure, just not leave anything exposed.
And where it's like, Trump is just like, we'll just bulldoze you.
But they're both great, and they're both very different and complementary styles of persuasion.
phil labonte
Not that I disagree with you, but I mean, I don't disagree, but the effectiveness of Vance, you can't overstate it.
The interview that he did when he got the I really don't care Margaret line, that was beautiful.
And I mean, it's t-shirts and it's become a meme in and of itself.
And I think that those kind of moments, like really taking the media to task where I don't care.
There was another time where he was like, do you hear yourself?
I forget what it was.
Oh, it's only one town got taken over.
will chamberlain
Only one apartment complex.
Only a few apartment complexes.
phil labonte
The correct number of...
Apartment complexes to be taken over by Trende Aragua is zero.
And these kind of moments really matter.
And I think that he does a fabulous job.
So you were going to say...
raymond g stanley-jr
I was going to say, I love that.
I don't know if you guys have seen today.
He's been on...
He's on X. And he's using X. And he's getting his message out there.
He's arguing, not arguing, but he's giving his points across.
He's being very transparent with what he's saying to the arguments about the whole UK and Russia thing.
So that, while normies might not know about that...
A lot of us, a lot of folks who are watching, millions and millions and millions are seeing him be transparent, unlike Biden and everyone else, and give his thoughts.
And he's solid, bro.
Two things.
phil labonte
First of all, I completely agree.
You mentioned Biden.
I think that the transparency that the Trump administration has and their availability to the press and their not just willingness, but desire to...
They relish it.
They enjoy taking these...
Putting the message out there, getting their own message out, and when the press tries to challenge them, they enjoy body-slamming them.
First of all, and second of all, I loved...
There was one more thing that J.D. Vance did when he body-slammed Mehdi Hassan.
I don't know if you saw that one.
will chamberlain
Yes.
phil labonte
But I'm not a fan of Mehdi Hassan anyways, and I don't remember the exact tweet off the top of my head, so I'm not going to try, but it was absolutely...
It was brutal and wonderful, and that kind of aggressive...
But correct and factual take and willingness to correct the media, I think that's going to pay dividends for the administration.
will chamberlain
No, I'm thrilled.
I don't think Trump could have done any better than me.
unidentified
So...
raymond g stanley-jr
I feel like everyone was a little sketchy at first about J.D. Vance because we didn't know him, but after hearing him talk the first time, the second time, the third time, and now we're a couple months into it, J.D. Vance is solid.
brett dasovic
He had a fantastic debate performance.
phil labonte
Yeah, and if you paid attention to J.D. Vance, because he was a senator first, and so if you paid attention to him, he wasn't an unknown quantity.
People that were in the know knew how smart he is and knew his story.
He wrote the book the hillbilly elegy.
I think it was called in that's right And that was really well received and it really spoke to some real Prescient problems in the United States and and and I think that was part of why Donald Trump selected him if you contrast him with Mike Pence you really do see like the growth in his choices.
brett dasovic
Yeah So when you look at Mike Pence, you look at somebody who was very much a part of the old guard and somebody who spoke to the past generations of politics and what J.D. Vance represents is the forward movement of what they consider now to be America first.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, we've had this conversation a little bit before, but the MAGA coalition is not a right-wing coalition.
The way that some people assume that it is.
And I think that I was talking a little bit to Sean about this.
It's really a coalition of not the leftists.
Because most of the people in positions of power now are 90s Democrats or they were Democrats even very recently.
And so that is the big tent kind of idea.
I mean, obviously the conservative Christians are welcome in the tent, but that also means that you have to have room for people that are not conservative Christians.
That's why the whole Ashley St. Clair Musk thing, it was a big deal to the Christians, like conservative Christians.
But in the overall MAGA kind of coalition, they were like, look, you know, maybe it's not maybe it's unbecoming, but it's not something that should be, you know, should be a problem for the broader coalition.
Because, well, Musk really did have a lot to do with the with with Trump getting elected or some people would take would have a problem with like Scott Pressler's lifestyle choices.
Well, if it wasn't for Scott Pressler, you don't get Pennsylvania because Scott Pressler went to Pennsylvania, lived there for four years and did more work in Pennsylvania than probably anybody else.
So as a broad coalition, I think that that's that's why I don't think that it's it's deniable or debatable.
That's why Trump won.
And that kind of unity is something that comes from the left being so insane.
brett dasovic
And really, really disconnected from what the right has become now, because most of the people, at least the way I've seen it, is the ones that suffer from like...
Terminal leftism, like the farthest left that you can see, they look at what it is now and they think of it as a far-right Christian nationalist party when anybody who's paying very, very close attention to it knows that there are too many disparate personalities for it to be anything so succinct.
phil labonte
You're 100% right, and you can hear that, or you could hear that for so long when they were trying to scare everybody with the whole Project 2025 narrative.
I read a lot of stuff about Project 2025, and I'm not particularly...
Devout Christian or anything.
I'm fairly agnostic.
But at the same time, there's nothing in Project 2025 that I was like...
You know, it is not particularly...
will chamberlain
They had to manufacture stuff.
They had to manufacture, like, they're going to make you register every abortion or something like this.
It's so stupid.
But, you know, now that the election's over, we can all admit that Project 2025 was the real plan all along.
brett dasovic
I was saying...
phil labonte
Even leading up to the election, I was like, look, man, Project 2025 is not bad.
I was like, if the option is Project 2025 or trans the kids, I'm going with Project 2025 every single time.
will chamberlain
What Project 2025 was really like how to take over the government and not let the civil service run itself, right?
And how to staff it properly.
That was the core of the whole project.
It wasn't these random policy proposals thrown in by the occasional person.
Like, that's the stuff that the Democrats seized on and everybody objected to.
And that stuff's not getting done.
But, like, the heart of Project 2025 was stuff like, oh, yeah, civil service reform, and we're firing bureaucrats, and they're going to obey us, or we're going to fire them for different reasons.
Like DOJ is going to obey us.
You know, we're going to talk a lot about DOJ later, I think, with all these dropped prosecutions.
But I mean, that's a classic example.
Like the Department of Justice is not independent.
It's not.
phil labonte
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
Phil, are you saying, sir, that folks like us who were, you know, a Democrat back in the past when I was younger, I was never a Democrat.
I mean, I'm registered now only because I want to be part of the primaries.
But anyways, are you saying that we're not moving into the Christian right?
They're not leading the Republican Party anymore.
They are coming into art, the 10th of middle ground.
phil labonte
So, no, well, I'm saying that the MAGA coalition is a coalition, right?
And there was, and this kind of brought, again, I mentioned Musk and the whole Ashley St. Clair thing because this is really kind of what brought it to my attention.
There were so many people saying, oh, you know, this is not conservative.
This isn't conservative.
This isn't conservative.
And I'm like, you're right.
But that doesn't matter because not everyone in the MAGA movement is a conservative, right?
And you don't win if it's only conservatives.
If it's only Christian conservatives, they just don't have the numbers to win elections.
brett dasovic
Or the media backing the way.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, that's true.
That's right.
will chamberlain
But I mean, you're 100% right.
It's a much bigger group of people now, and Christian conservatives make up a smaller portion of it.
And actually, I've had discussions with Christians about this where it's like this is the religion-friendly party.
phil labonte
Yes, absolutely.
will chamberlain
Yeah, absolutely.
We are, you know, you have a, the other party is hostile to you and wants your way of life to go away.
We don't want that.
We are religion friendly, but we're also, there's, there is a bigger and bigger chunk of the party that's secular.
And that's true all over the West too, right?
Religiosity is going down even as right wing parties are growing.
And so it's about, I think, you know, everybody understand that this is a coalition that you can, you know, we don't want as a party to be disrespectful.
Yes.
Right?
Like, it's really important that everybody stay respectful of religion and religious people.
While simultaneously, I think it's just religious people understand that, yeah, you're not the coalition anymore.
You're part of the coalition.
A very important part, but you're just part of it.
phil labonte
That's really important.
The fact that you mentioned that this is the party that's not just not hostile to religion.
It's actually friendly to religion, even the people that are not religious.
Like, I consider myself agnostic, maybe a little...
I'm a little Catholic curious.
I grew up Catholic and I've gone to Catholic mass a couple times with some friends and stuff recently.
And I find it extremely attractive.
I think that the values that they put forward are good for society, good for the country.
And I'm definitely fond of the things that come along with.
I'm fond of Christmas.
I'm fond of...
I like the idea of a church community and stuff like that.
And so I don't think that it's a good idea for Christians to be like, hey, you must be...
This kind of Christian, I think if you do that, if they try to do that, what ends up happening is they don't kick people out of the party.
They have to leave the coalition themselves.
brett dasovic
Also, base it solely on results, right?
Whether you want to criticize the coalition that Trump has built, this is still the party that helped repeal Roe v.
Wade.
It is still the president who pardoned pro-life protesters at the start of his term.
There is a lot of evidence that despite the fact that the coalition of people around it may not all agree on religion, that the party itself is doing what it can to benefit those who are religious.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And even and even if you're not religious, I think there's a lot of people in the coalition that are like, you know, maybe I'm not particularly religious myself, but I see that if you don't have a society that has.
Some kind of religious grounding, something else takes the place of religion, and that something else is always bad.
will chamberlain
Always worse.
I think that's also, you know, there's a lot of mojo behind New Atheism in the mid-2000s, and the sort of like...
People like Chris Hitchens wrote a book, God is Not Great, Why Religion Poisons Everything.
And I think whether or not you are religious in your belief or not, the thesis of that book was wrong.
phil labonte
Yes.
will chamberlain
Right?
Hitchens was wrong.
It's not religion that's the reason we have crazy beliefs in this world.
We saw what happens when you have the secular leftists take over.
They can believe in wilder, crazier things in any religion or any tradition.
Traditional religion, and I think a big part of that is religions have thousands of – a lot of them have thousands of years of evolution and theologians and people thinking about ethics, and most of the leftist stuff has been invented in the last 75 years by academics who are not grounded.
raymond g stanley-jr
Our biggest thing for our coalition is America and what's best for our country and what's best for our kids' futures.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, and I think that there's – it's – It's hard to argue that religions, especially long-standing religions, it's hard to argue that they don't provide a very good roadmap on how to have a society.
And that families first, families being the first kind of small, little...
Government, I guess, is a good thing.
And focusing your entire society on making sure that families are the most important thing will provide for a better result than what the left tends to do with centering the margins and stuff like that.
brett dasovic
Or leftists and academics in Hollywood all pushing anti-family messages on just about everyone all the time.
phil labonte
To the next story, Trump fires chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
This is actually a very, very big deal because I don't remember the last time that a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was ever fired.
will chamberlain
Yeah, it's not common.
And some people have been predicting this because the CQ Brown guy was like all in on DEI and was a product of the previous Biden administration.
And so I think we've been hearing rumblings about it that Hegseth was going to do something like this or that Trump was going to do something, and now it's finally happening.
Good.
Right, good.
It's about time we had a military that was focused on readiness and war fighting and not on social engineering.
phil labonte
That's something that I want to get to, the social engineering aspect.
So the AP reports, Washington, President Donald Trump abruptly fired Air Force General C.Q. Brown as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Friday, sidelining a history-making fighter pilot and respected officer as a part of a campaign to rid the military of leaders who support diversity and equity in the ranks.
The ouster of Brown, only the second black general to serve as chairman, is sure to send shockwaves through the Pentagon.
will chamberlain
Can we just stop right there?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes, please.
will chamberlain
Notice the thing that they said.
A history-making fighter pilot.
Why?
What history did he make?
And it's like, is it really just that he's the second black general?
Is that the history?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes, that's their history.
will chamberlain
I mean, I could be wrong.
There might be something.
But if I'm wrong, and there actually is some history that he made independent of merely his race.
Then, like, BAP should be ashamed of itself in terms of the way it's framed this article.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, but this speaks to the way that the entire media thinks now, doesn't it?
You know, the identity of the person in question takes precedence over any of their achievements or any of the things that they've done, you know?
So, Donald Trump has tweeted about this.
He says...
I want to thank General Charles C.Q. Brown for his over 40 years of service to our country, including as our current chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
He is a fine gentleman and an outstanding leader, and I wish a great future for him and his family.
Today I'm honored to announce that I am nominating Air Force Lieutenant General Dan Raisin Cain to be the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
I love it.
General Cain is an accomplished pilot, national security expert, successful entrepreneur, and a warfighter with significant interagency and special operations experience.
I like the fact that Donald Trump was magnanimous in his, you know, in the tweet.
And for Trump, that's magnanimous.
That's about as magnanimous as you can.
That's heaping on the praise for Donald Trump.
He didn't call him names, so that's good.
And I also, I didn't know...
Lieutenant General Cain was...
I didn't know that his nickname was...
will chamberlain
I've never heard of this guy before, but he sounds great.
brett dasovic
I like the idea that that was never his nickname and Trump just gave it to him now.
phil labonte
Yeah, right?
will chamberlain
He totally would.
phil labonte
Part of me wants that to be...
Raisin to be his call sign, but also now that you mentioned it, I do think that it would be even better if Trump was like, no, I'm going to give him a nickname.
It'll be great.
I don't know anything about General Kane, so I'm going to actually...
raymond g stanley-jr
A big thing AP should have noted was that he is the 780th white general to hold this position.
brett dasovic
I was going to ask, when does it become no longer newsworthy?
Is it when you're the third ever of something?
phil labonte
No, it's when they stop talking about DEI. That's really what it is.
Let's see.
He was...
I wonder if he was...
So he was an F-16 pilot.
brett dasovic
So if he's the 781st, it wouldn't be newsworthy.
But since he's the 780th...
phil labonte
I kind of was...
When they said special operations, I was wondering if he was something like a PJ or something like that, or if he had done that kind of special operations job.
But either way, I do think that it's good that Donald Trump is...
And Secretary Hegseth are putting the generals and staff on notice.
I've heard that he's talking about getting rid of, I want to say, half the generals in the military.
will chamberlain
They deserve it.
Sorry.
I mean, when's the last time we won a war?
You guys are all focused on everything I've heard about, what's been going on in the military in terms of what they're putting the rank and file through with all these idiotic trainings and just...
They've screwed up the military.
Recruitment is down horribly to the point that it actually implicates our security.
That's just not acceptable performance.
And I think a big thing is that there hasn't been accountability at the top level for failures by our military.
It's always been lower-level people who've been held accountable.
brett dasovic
How do generals at the top and those in charge of the military get recruitment back up then?
I mean, I just feel like that's one of those things that there's anti-American sentiment from within America that's very, very hard to reverse.
phil labonte
So just HEGSF being the SECDEF has increased the...
brett dasovic
I remember there was a guest, and I wish I could remember who it was, was talking about that members re-enlisted after Trump got elected the first time because they weren't interested in the military under Obama.
And then I'm sure that that once again would probably pick up maybe two now after Trump was re-elected.
I'm not sure.
But it's very, very difficult to try and reignite fervor in the military when America's having such a hard time.
raymond g stanley-jr
I feel like there are a lot of people who want to join, but when they see the DEI in the service, they see what's going on, and they're not joining.
unidentified
Are those people paying attention to those stories?
raymond g stanley-jr
Not these stories, but once they see Trump get in, they're like, okay, cool, I can join, I can do what I want to do.
They want to fight, they want to protect the country, serve without being told they're bad people.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, so, first of all, the...
I don't know if the majority of young men that were joining the military are white, but I know that there's a lot of Hispanics.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
Huge, huge.
And there are times where Hispanics count as white, so they might be counting the Hispanics as white.
But one of the things that Hispanics generally, they don't like the progressive left stuff.
If you're the kind of Hispanic dude that's like, I'm going to join the military, you're not.
brett dasovic
You don't want to hear Latinx.
phil labonte
Yeah, you don't want to hear that.
The whole machismo thing, that's real.
And dudes are like, yo, I love my country, I love America, and I love my Latin heritage, but I don't want to deal with this kind of BS. And I think it's very, very good that...
The current sec death has made it abundantly clear that these things are changing.
And when these kind of stories come out, that Donald Trump has fired the top general in the whole military because of his take on DEI, I think that you'd mentioned how do we get the recruitment numbers up.
This is exactly how.
You get a leadership.
That is friendly to the troops.
I guarantee when Hegseth decided to get up and do PT with the special forces in Germany, he probably got a thousand men to sign up.
A thousand 18-year-olds across the country looked and said, that's the kind of guy that I want to serve.
Because all of my friends that are former and in the military, they were just like, man, it doesn't get any better.
The sec defs out there.
PT-ing in the cold with the special forces.
That's the military I want to join.
raymond g stanley-jr
Young men are aggressive.
Especially if you love the country.
They got the testosterone that they want to exuberate into the world.
So when they see Pete doing his thing, it's just a thing.
I joined because I wanted to do stuff and fight and shoot guns against enemies.
That was my whole reason I joined.
I don't think we've lost that out there.
There's definitely still many million, millions of young men.
Who want to do that.
And you also grow up, you become a man within four weeks, or four months, or sorry, four years, whereas you see your college buddy dudes who are just learning about gender, whatever you're talking about.
phil labonte
You know, there's a...
raymond g stanley-jr
Animalistic.
phil labonte
There is a, one of the pictures, actually, if you could go back to that, those pictures that you had for a second there, Serge, there was one picture that has spawned a boatload of memes, and it was Hegseth running with...
With the Special Forces guy.
will chamberlain
Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about.
It was that, like, big Hulk-looking dude.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, yeah?
phil labonte
You just had it.
Just put it up on images.
raymond g stanley-jr
Show me a Hulk.
phil labonte
Yeah, right here.
Okay.
will chamberlain
Yeah, there it is.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, wow, yeah.
Okay.
phil labonte
Like, bring that up.
This dude here.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
This guy himself.
Has inspired at least a hundred dudes to say, I'm going.
Because I want to be that monster.
That's just the kind of dude that young guys look at and they're like, I want to be that guy.
will chamberlain
It's amazing we ever got away from that.
What did everybody think the military was for?
To like, you know, to like hand out flowers?
No, these are the people that when we need to, we send them to kill people.
phil labonte
Yeah, and when you heard General Miley saying, you know, I want to know about white rage, that probably turned off a thousand people.
They're just, oh, I was going to join the military, but I'm not.
will chamberlain
Not under that guy.
Not under that fat liberal.
phil labonte
Yeah, especially that was...
Did that happen before or after the Afghan pullout?
will chamberlain
I think that was after.
It was so bad.
I want to understand white rape.
phil labonte
What an incredibly bad leader.
You...
Botch the pullout of Afghanistan.
Get something like 18 people killed.
How many people died in the bombing?
We had 13. 13 Marines died.
brett dasovic
A billion dollars worth of equipment left.
phil labonte
Left all that gear over there.
And then you have the...
There's no repercussions for anyone.
will chamberlain
No one gets fired.
phil labonte
Unbelievable.
None of them have the...
He should have stepped down himself.
He should have said, I am resigning.
A good leader would have said, this happened on my watch.
I am resigning.
brett dasovic
I mean, but it's like when we're talking about the JFK files or the MLK files.
Americans don't believe that there is any accountability within the government.
That's one of the reasons why those stories pique the interest of people.
They're like, wow, am I actually going to get answers on this thing that happened all these decades ago?
That everybody looks at one another, they know what they're hearing is not the whole story, but they just kind of accept that that's the way that things are.
And in the current year, to hear about any level of accountability whatsoever, even if it's just the declassifying of files and the releasing of them, That seems monumental to a country that's been left in the dark for a very long time.
phil labonte
Yeah, I do think that you're right.
I think that there is a significant distrust.
I think that not only is it because of things like the JFK files and these kind of like rumored...
Things that people have an intuition about, but like the obvious things as well, like the whole COVID. I really think COVID was like the final nail in the coffin when it came to the credibility of the United States.
brett dasovic
Well, I mean, it's not just that.
phil labonte
Because they were just like, there was the whole like...
You don't have to wear a mask.
And then it was, oh no, you do.
And then come to find out the reason they said you don't have to wear a mask is because they didn't have enough PPE for doctors.
So right out of the box, they lied to you.
Then all of the BS that comes along with it come to find out that masks actually don't do a significant job of protecting you.
And all of the misrepresentation, all of the lies, and all of the force that went along with it, all of the threats, all of the people that would get arrested.
The social distancing, which comes out, oh, that turns out that didn't mean anything.
That was made up and all of that stuff.
I think you're right about the general consensus and the kind of intuitive feeling people had about the MLK stuff and the CIA with JFK. But I think that the...
Outright things that the media and government have come out and said, yeah, that was not true.
I think those were, like, really damaging.
brett dasovic
Yeah, it's when, even if you don't pay close attention to what's going on, you've heard in passing or in some fashion about what we do with our intelligence agencies overseas and the way that we have gone into other countries.
Nation building and all of these things and then to see those tactics then turn back around on the American people.
Again, if you're paying attention, makes perfect sense.
But to somebody who only pays attention to the corners and don't listen to it regularly, they just started to understand just the power of the intelligence apparatus and the way we've weaponized government against other people.
phil labonte
Yeah, we're going to go on to another story in just a second.
There's one thing I want to mention.
You mentioned about nation building and I think that...
Mike Bentz has made a lot of people aware of USAID and all the things they do.
And he's also...
I think that he's performing an important function now with...
He's out there in the podcast world again saying, look, these organizations have been corrupted, but that doesn't mean that these organizations are all bad.
And a country like the United States with the amount of power and with the expectations that the rest of the world puts on the United States, because we are expected to be the hegemon still and we are expected to keep the seas open for trade.
These type of organizations that that again, they have been corrupted and there shouldn't be DEI stuff in the US shouldn't be trying to go into strongly religious countries and teach them about LGBT issues and stuff like that.
That's that's completely ridiculous.
Having these organizations that will project soft power is important.
I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
will chamberlain
On that point?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I'm a big, you know, this is sort of my general, one of my main critiques of libertarianism, but it's like, do we really want to let somebody else be the guardian of sea lanes?
You want that to be China?
No?
Okay, right?
Like, we are, it's, I think I tweeted out a while ago, it's like, it was in response to the Trump-Gaza stuff, where I think everybody was freaking out about the idea that we might control some territory.
And I'm just like, It's okay to be an empire.
We can just do colonialism if we want.
Nation-based.
Colonialism.
I don't know, though.
A lot of countries used to do it.
So the point being that, yeah, there's a lot of benefits that come to us as a result of being...
So powerful.
phil labonte
That's a great distinction, though.
There is a difference between nation-building and colonialism.
will chamberlain
Right.
Nation-building is when you spend a bunch of money for other people.
Colonialism is when you spend it for yourself.
brett dasovic
I mean, I think the big issue for a lot of the people is, though, is they're like, these...
Organizations are so large and the amount of money put into it is so ungodly that they're like, who are we putting in charge to actually put the checks and balances into place to know that what we're doing is right?
And most of the time what we're seeing now is you see USAID gets exposed and whole entire NGOs fold.
Well, you're not really a non-governmental agency if you can't survive without the government, right?
And all I'm saying is to the average person, like I said, Mike Benz is...
I have said to the—he is one of the best, right?
You have to go read through everything you post, but you're not going to expect the average person to go into these deep dives and understand all of that.
What you have to understand is that the size of the country is now vast.
We are so powerful that it's ripe for corruption, and most people want to see that undone.
And I fully admit that I, for the most part, have a very utopian— I don't see my viewpoint as the right answer.
I see it as a jumping-off point for a discussion on how we can pare back some of it and find a middle ground.
phil labonte
Alright, we're gonna move on to this story here.
From the New York Post, Sean Diddy Combs' lawyer quits sex trafficking case under no circumstances can I continue.
You gotta be real dirty when your lawyer's like, bro, you fucked up.
brett dasovic
Imagine being like a defense attorney who's just like, I can't even do it, man.
phil labonte
I can't imagine that.
I mean, I imagine he...
And it's not like Sean Combs doesn't have money to pay the man.
brett dasovic
And I read the article.
It didn't seem like he had much.
He said that he didn't really give a reason.
He's just like, I can't do it.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean...
will chamberlain
I want to look at this motion.
phil labonte
So the New York Post is reporting...
One of Sean Diddy Combs' defense lawyers quit the disgraced music producer's criminal sex trafficking case new court paper show.
Anthony Rico filed a motion Thursday to withdraw as one of Bad Boy Records' six defense attorneys without explanation.
Rico's bid to step down won't be official until a judge signs off on it.
A judge must find sufficient reason to approve such a request.
Under no circumstances can I continue to effectively serve as counsel for Sean Combs Rico wrote in the Manhattan Federal Court affidavit It is respectfully but regrettably requested that court grant the relief requested The lawyer didn't elaborate on why he wanted to step down But noted the decision came after speaking with Combs' lead counsel, Mark Agnifilo I mean, so obviously there's just going to be inference and people are going to make assumptions
But it seems likely that the things that P. Diddy has done are so egregious.
That his lawyer is like, I won't be a party.
will chamberlain
I'm finally understanding what's going on here.
So this is less revealing than I think we would think it would be.
unidentified
It's really not.
will chamberlain
Because there's six lawyers in the case and it's one of the lawyers being like, I cannot be his lawyer.
There are a lot of reasons why a lawyer might make that decision or make that ask to be let off the case.
Conflict of interest is the most obvious one.
For example, Diddy has all these people that he previously...
It's conceivable that this Rico guy represented a different client and might have knowledge that came from that and realized that I'm in some sort of conflict of interest situation.
It also could be payment, but it doesn't seem likely because he's wealthy and there's five other lawyers who are still going to be on board.
So I'm guessing what this is is some sort of newly...
A conflict that he became newly aware of because that explains the firmness of the like, I can't be his lawyer, right?
And that strikes me as very much like conflict of interest.
Your ethical rules are prohibiting you from going forward.
brett dasovic
And a whole bunch of cases have continued to be pushed forward.
I mean, it was the lawyer.
I believe his name was Tony Busby was the lawyer who was filing all those cases on behalf of people who were filing claims against Diddy that have just come forward and forward.
And I think some of those have actually been dropped since then.
And the charges against Jay-Z were dropped in the case between him and Diddy.
It was like the rape of the girl back in 2000 or 2001, something like that.
I don't know how much I actually expect to come out of this case, but I think the more interesting discussion is about the concept of him having a list of people, having a list of blackmail against powerful people in Hollywood, 'cause a lot of people see that list akin to the way that they saw the Epstein files with politicians and world leaders. 'cause a lot of people see that list akin to the way that they saw the Epstein files with politicians and world leaders. - Yeah, I think that the P. Diddy list would be more salacious.
phil labonte
P. Diddy would be rolling around.
brett dasovic
Those would be people you've actually heard of.
The ones on the Epstein files you've never heard of.
phil labonte
P. Diddy's going to be rolling around with millionaires and multi-millionaires.
Maybe there's a couple people that might reach a billion.
But when you're dealing with the Epstein list, that's power players and people that are powerful on the international scale.
Beyond just, I'm an entertainer, but actual...
Prince Philip was disgraced because of the Epstein list.
brett dasovic
Do you think that there's overlap between...
I think me and you and Mary had this discussion at one point about whether there was overlap between the lists.
phil labonte
I think that there's some, but I don't think that it's significant.
I think that...
Not that the people that P. Diddy hangs out with wouldn't be interesting to people in positions of actual power.
Because again, someone like P. Diddy's got...
You know, a lot of power and a lot of money, and that means a lot.
But that's not Prince Philip.
That's not a that's not a prince of England.
You know, that's not like those kind of powerful people are different.
brett dasovic
No, but if we're talking about the people who are pushing cultural cultural values of leftism on America, it's the entertainers.
It's Hollywood.
It's those people that have helped push forward that message for a very, very long time.
And Obama partied around with lots of celebrities and lots of entertainers.
It's not hard to believe that there is overlap there amongst other people.
Maybe not to the extent of the FCC. I mean, I'd give it maybe 15%.
raymond g stanley-jr
But in the end of the day, that many people with Epstein and P. Diddy, that goes to show us that a lot of people, powerful people in power, are deranged, disgusting, terrible people.
phil labonte
What do you think, Will?
will chamberlain
I mean, I think you're basically right.
There's probably mild overlap.
Not much, I would suspect.
I think it's just different circles and different people attending these parties.
He's probably getting funded by USAID. You know, I'm a lawyer, so I think about this again.
Why is this lawyer resigning?
I mean, I know people want to say it's like, oh, it's because Diddy's so disgusting.
And it's like, I'm pretty sure that's not the reason.
One, the guy would have signed on to this case well after a lot of these revelations would have been revealed, so he knew what he was getting into.
Two, you want to be a criminal defense lawyer.
You can't just abandon your client if some bad news about them comes out.
That's a great way to never...
raymond g stanley-jr
This is big news right here.
will chamberlain
Right.
Well, I mean, this would be a good news to do it.
Say some bad revelation comes out in the press.
Imagine your life's on the line.
You're going to trial over something that's going to put you away forever, and one of your lawyers is like, I can't defend you anymore.
You're disgusting.
How dare you?
Like, what?
It's, you know, that would be just contemptible behavior.
I wouldn't respect this lawyer if he did that.
So I think conflict is the thing that makes sense.
phil labonte
It's hilarious that the idea of dropping someone over moral issues is what loses you respect.
will chamberlain
Well, of course it does.
That's your job.
Somebody has to do it, right?
Being a criminal defense lawyer is perfectly ethical.
I mean, our whole system is built on the idea that people have a right to a criminal defense.
So if you're if you're actually going to try and go be a high profile criminal defense lawyer who represents wealthy people, you better be used to the idea that they might have done something really disgusting.
And it's your job to defend them anyway.
brett dasovic
Innocent until proven ditty.
unidentified
Wait.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Well, I mean, John Adams agrees, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah, right.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
So we just got this breaking news that I want to cut to here.
Zelensky surrenders to Trump and will sign mineral deal within hours.
This is something that we were debating on talking about.
We didn't have any news at the beginning of the show.
But Daily Mail is reporting Donald Trump appears to have won his trade standoff with Volodymyr Zelensky as the Ukrainian president is set to give in and signed a deal giving the U.S. access to deposits of critical minerals.
The deal was seen as crucial for satisfying Washington's demands for a peace settlement between Ukraine and Russia to end the three-year-long war.
It's a staggering surrender from Zelensky, who I had seen.
I defend Ukraine.
I can't sell our country.
I don't know that he's actually selling it.
Zelensky said on Friday that officials from his country and the U.S. are working on concluding an economic deal to ensure that the accord worked for and was fair to Kiev.
We're signing an agreement hopefully in the next fairly short period of time, Trump told reporters in the Oval Office when asked about a deal for Ukraine's minerals.
Do you think that that's...
Because Donald Trump sometimes gets out over his skis.
Do you think that this is one of those cases?
will chamberlain
No.
No, no, no.
I mean, well, Trump is in a position to kind of dictate terms, right?
Like, as we are.
I mean, the Ukrainian defense is overwhelmingly dependent on American funding and American goodwill.
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
So, you know, Trump coming in and I mean, Zelensky made some real mistakes in over the last few years, but I don't think there's a bigger one than deciding to go to Pennsylvania and effectively campaign for the Democrats.
phil labonte
100% agree.
will chamberlain
So, you know, I don't I don't have a lot of sympathy.
And I think I watched there were some clips.
I think Rubio had an interview on with Catherine Herridge, actually, that was on X.
And Rubio in that interview described how.
Look, we thought we had an understanding with Zelensky about the fact that we're going to work together on this deal, and then we hear him saying, like, I'm not going to sign anything.
And Rubio basically said something along the lines of, well, that's not very productive for our relationship going forward.
And I think that there must have...
Somebody had a talk with Zelensky that's like, do you like your job?
Do you want to keep it?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, there is an argument that, you know...
Russia's after Zelensky's head.
And as long as the United States is kind of standing in between Russia and Zelensky, Zelensky gets to keep his head.
will chamberlain
Right.
I think Zelensky might have...
I saw he might have made a call to the Polish where the Polish were like, you can't piss off the Americans like this.
They are your patron.
You get to, you know, the idea that you get to just operate independently of the Americans, like, that's not your situation.
Sorry, bro.
phil labonte
How much do you think this stems from the personal relationship between Donald Trump and Zelensky?
will chamberlain
There's a good amount of that.
I think that if Zelensky had been more, you know, I think about Netanyahu as a good example of a comparison, right?
Like, Trump's not going to Netanyahu and demanding, like, mineral rights in Israel, partially because Netanyahu and Israel are able to defend themselves a lot more effectively.
In particular, I think that Zelensky has just played the global neoliberal card so aggressively.
He's just of the left.
And then Donald Trump comes into power and it's like, oh yeah, maybe this is a reason that countries that are dependent on American aid try not to weigh in on our domestic politics because it goes from one way to another.
I think at a certain point, you've got to wonder if Zelensky has got to realize he's going to need to resign.
His relationship with Trump is simply not strong enough that the Ukrainians need someone new in there to have a fresh start in terms of their relationship with the Trump administration.
phil labonte
So this is the first time that I've heard actually anyone articulate that.
Can you expand on it?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
phil labonte
The idea of Zelensky resigning.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I'm seeing a little bit of that.
I mean, I don't know that that's ever been discussed officially, but if you're running the government of Ukraine right now, You can't be in a position where you have a bad relationship with the United States government.
unidentified
No way.
will chamberlain
It makes your position untenable.
Think about sitting in your shoes.
Put yourself in the shoes of a Ukrainian voter and what you would want your government to be doing.
If you actually cared about winning this war or cared about a reasonable settlement, which you probably do.
You don't want to get screwed over.
So you'd say, whatever the reason and whatever the justice of your cause, Vladimir, we can't have you being on bad terms with Trump.
You just can't.
You know, I mean, we would say the same thing if you were thinking about your own—what you would want is your own leader.
You'd want your own leader to be on good terms with the president of the United States.
And so you'd be pissed at him for, like, going, you know, creating this tension with people like Vance and Rubio.
You'd be pissed at him for going off and saying all sorts of nasty stuff because you'd be saying to yourself, rationally, the worse your relationship with Trump is, the worse it's going to be for me and my family.
So that's why I think, ultimately, I suspect Zelensky, I don't think he'll make it through the year.
I think that's my guess.
And I'm not basing that on any internal knowledge.
I'm just sort of looking at the situation and thinking, this is not tenable.
And eventually, top-level Ukrainian politicians are going to say to him, you need to go, bro.
We need a fresh start with Trump.
brett dasovic
It's crazy to me.
Like, when Trump took office again, and we keep talking about economic sanctions and tariffs, and you see all of the times that he would Level these on other countries.
They would bluster and say, we're not going to bend the knee.
They would eventually bend the knee.
You actually get a glimpse of just how powerful America could be if it actually cared about itself.
It's insane to me.
I look at it and I'm just like, do you know as powerful as this country is?
How much more we could take and do if we actually cared about our own self-interest.
phil labonte
That is a great point.
And I think that most Americans don't realize, because I feel the exact same way.
The way that our government has behaved for 12 of the past 16 years has been...
As if we could not risk upsetting anyone else.
And the way that Trump exercises power, soft power, clearly, because he's not gotten us into any kind of wars, and he's made far greater overtures towards peace with our adversaries, or with what people that we consider adversaries.
I'm thinking of North Korea, specifically.
The things that are possible for the United States really become clear.
And I think that, again, that's a great point because I felt the same way.
I did not, I guess I didn't really understand how much soft power the United States had.
It's clear that the U.S. can blow up every other country, right?
brett dasovic
That's the difference.
Whenever we thought of that before, we thought it was through might.
Right?
Like, but then people make the joke like, yeah, but you haven't won a war in however many, many decades, right?
That's not the point.
phil labonte
I have a problem with that argument, but go ahead.
brett dasovic
But the point being is that, look, we're not even talking about intervention of the U.S. military.
We're just saying that we're going to slap sanctions on you, we're going to cut off trade, and then you start to realize just how big and powerful the nation is.
And it's crazy to me how much, like you said, the left will gaslight you and say, these other nations are laughing at us.
I'm like, if they are, it's because they don't care about their own selves.
Because if they do, they understand they're going to lose out by not being involved with us, whether it's through trade, whether it's through the use of our military to protect their own borders.
There's a thousand ways in which we could be doing more for our country that we're starting to do now.
And I worry that the second you lose power, then it just goes back to the way it was.
You have to start imparting the idea that our own self-interest is key.
phil labonte
So that's one thing that I want to get your take on, Will.
I agree completely with what Brett's saying.
And I think that the idea of America First has been so foreign to Americans, we don't understand the potential that our country has.
And I think that...
Donald, because we were talking earlier about the MAGA coalition versus the left, I think that Donald Trump has really demonstrated that the United States can do great things for itself and still operate in a moral and ethical way internationally.
And this is how not just the right, though the right is probably, you know, screaming how much they love it, but this is the way that the right and the not left should look at the The not left, whoever isn't in the crazy leftist, these are the way that politicians should act towards the United States.
And I'd really love to hear your thoughts on that.
will chamberlain
So I think, you know, for a long time we had on the left a sort of general globalist internationalist sense that we shouldn't be rocking the boat, that we should be seeking consensus, that we should just be doing what everybody else wants.
And on the right...
The right had antibodies against that because the right's historically more nationalist, anti-UN, for example.
But the right also has this long-standing free trade approach that would totally exclude the idea of using tariffs as an economic weapon as a way to...
Get people to serve our interests.
And the combination of those two things meant it's like, well, we have hard power or nothing, and most of the time it's nothing to get people to behave the way we want.
And Trump comes in, he's like, well, I'm obviously not some internationalist cuck.
And then also, like, obviously not.
But also that I'm not, at the same time, afraid of using tariffs.
And so what I'm going to do is I'm just going to go around and be like, wait a second, you all are completely dependent on access to our market.
Your economies are completely dependent on access to American consumers.
So guess what?
You get to do what we want, because otherwise we're going to make your access to our consumers painful.
And you can't afford that, and that's just the nature of how having such an incredibly powerful economy here.
brett dasovic
I mean, he kind of got into it in the first term.
He's like, well, what has the UN or NATO done for us in the last however many decades?
And maybe that was the first time anybody thought of asking the question, oh yeah, what have any of them done for us?
will chamberlain
Yeah, well, I mean, NATO is us.
I mean, we spend more than the rest of the NATO countries combined on our military.
That's crazy.
And a lot of them are deciding to buff up their welfare states and not meet.
phil labonte
The idea that every NATO country is supposed to spend 2% of their own GDP, right?
I think that's what the agreement is.
The U.S., I just recently learned, only spends 3.6% of our GDP on our military.
That's something that if you tell your average leftist, they're going to be like, no way.
They're going to say, no, we must spend half the money of our GDP on.
We spend so much money on the military and blah, blah, blah.
And whereas we do in absolute dollars, we spend a lot.
But it's because the United States' GDP is like $29 trillion.
It's just a mind-boggling amount of money.
And then to think that we ask countries like...
Poland, and Poland, I think, is one of the better...
will chamberlain
Poland meets its targets.
phil labonte
Yeah, they're really good about it.
And they spend 2% of their GDP. I don't know what Poland's GDP is, but it's obviously dramatically less than the United States, because they're just a smaller country with fewer people.
And so the actual ask of the individual...
European countries or other countries in NATO in absolute dollars is minuscule compared to what the United States.
will chamberlain
And then they get, you know, they really start talking about how we're like being, you know, appeasing.
I really can't stand that.
Countries that are tiny that spend, that do not even meet their target on NATO spending.
You're tiny in the first place, and you don't even spend 2% of your GDP on your military, and then you're telling us that we're appeasing.
I don't care what you think.
phil labonte
It's not even a real conversation.
will chamberlain
You're like a chihuahua yapping at us.
You're not a serious country.
If we start defending you, you'd fall to Russia in an instant.
Be grateful for the continued support of the American taxpayer.
Despite the fact that you guys have been obnoxious towards our current sitting president.
brett dasovic
I mean, that is a lot of where I think a lot of the leftist arguments come in these days about when you see people, you know, coalescing online and talking about healthcare and they talk about it in foreign countries and we talk about how they say, oh, it's amazing that Americans don't just get free healthcare.
And then we say, well, that's because your military is pretty much subsidized by the might of our military.
I get that anger.
I do.
I understand that that's a very simplistic argument, but I do understand the anger from the average American who does think maybe the hospital, maybe all your medical bills shouldn't be covered, but you shouldn't go into insane debt because you broke your arm.
And to know that we're doing that so that we can defend other countries is infuriating on some level.
So I get that argument.
phil labonte
Yeah, I do.
I think that...
Most of that kind of perspective comes from a lack of understanding of what the actual problem is.
Because the idea that you shouldn't have to go into Hawk just because you break your arm.
Well, breaking your arm, while it's a bad thing, it's something that...
Modern medicine is very capable of dealing with, and it happens frequently enough where it shouldn't cost you $10,000 to get your arm x-rayed and set.
brett dasovic
And then you get into insurance.
phil labonte
It shouldn't be at all.
I mean, you can go and get your teeth cleaned from a dentist for a couple hundred bucks.
That should probably be 50 bucks because it takes them like 10 minutes nowadays.
And that, even that is still, it's like, it's not outrageously expensive to get your, you know, spend $150, $200 to get your teeth cleaned.
It shouldn't be more than a couple hundred bucks to get an arm set because it's something that's fairly routine and unless they need to do, you know, put in, you know, steel and those kind of repairs.
brett dasovic
They go in and they're like, we need to take an x-ray.
And then like when, and then they set your, they set them on like, we need to take another x-ray.
And the poor person's like, do you need to do the second x-ray?
phil labonte
But the point being is like when we talk about like plastic surgery or LASIK or those kind of procedures that aren't covered, all of that stuff, the prices have gone down because – and this is where I'm most libertarian.
The market does work.
The market does drive prices down.
It's a miracle that it happens and that it works the way that it does.
But because we don't have a market for health care, all the prices are – It's going to be through the roof because the insurance companies just pay.
It's a nightmare, but that's not the fault of the American population.
It's because of the government.
brett dasovic
And then the scary part is they somehow turn that on its head and say that that is an argument for single-payer health care, and then you're like, hold up.
phil labonte
That's insane, too.
We're going to go ahead and move on to the next story here.
Judge denies bid to block Trump administration from placing USAID workers on leave.
This is being reported by CBS.
Washington, a federal judge on Friday, declined to block the Trump administration from putting thousands of employees with U.S. Agency for International Development on administrative leave and recalling others from overseas, clearing the way for President Trump to resume his efforts to overhaul the agency as part of his plan to slash the size of the federal government.
I do think that it's a good idea to do these.
I think the real tangible results when it comes to the significant changes of USAID are going to be the fact that the left doesn't have the access to federal money the way that it used to.
will chamberlain
First off, this is a big W for the Trump administration.
Let's get that out of the way.
This was something that...
One of the cases where there had been a temporary restraining order put in place.
And, you know, I'd followed a lot of these cases.
This Judge Nichols, you know, I've got a friend named Bill Shipley who is heavily involved with J6 defendants, so he actually was in front of Judge Nichols a lot.
And he was saying, everybody's getting really mad at Judge Nichols over this particular injunction.
He was like, give him a second.
He's a really good judge.
Like, there's a reason.
I think you're going to end up winning pretty quickly here.
And that's what's happened.
USAID. You know, or these labor unions try to say, it's like, well, you can't get people off from USAID in foreign countries because they need access to, like, foreign alerts about danger in their country.
And he's like, well, okay, I'll give you, like, five days to demonstrate that that's true and, like, that you're actually entitled to, like, not get fired.
And five days later, he's like, nope, we can fire you.
Actually, they can go ahead and do what they want.
And that's what's happened here.
phil labonte
Do you anticipate...
Do you anticipate that there will be another challenge to this?
will chamberlain
No, I think this is going to be the end of this particular case.
I think that you've lost your attempt to get an injunction to stop Trump from putting all of USA basically on administrative leave and telling them all that you can sit at home for the next six months until we finally fire you.
And I just don't think that once this ruling's been denied, they're not going to go to a different judge and try and judge stuff here.
A new judge will look at it and be like, you already filed this case in D.C. It's already been resolved.
No injunction.
I think this is just a straight W. There's a lot of different ones of these injunctions all over the country, obviously, where liberals are trying to lawfare and stop Doge and stuff, you name it.
phil labonte
That's my broader point.
There's been a discussion that we've been having around the table here about what the goal of the Trump administration is and about trying to return the power to the executive and get it away from the...
The bureaucracy, and that was one of the reasons why he's trying to do the birthright citizenship, because that should go before the Supreme Court, and that'll really bring the question, does the executive have the authority to fire people that are in the bureaucracy or not?
And I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
will chamberlain
So yeah, I think the big case, and I think in the next...
phil labonte
And how does that pan out?
will chamberlain
Probably early next week, because it's Friday, right?
So there's nothing going to happen in the next few days, but probably Monday, Tuesday, I would expect the Supreme Court's going to rule on the...
The case that's before them, I think it's the first one, which is Trump fired the head of the Office of Special Counsel, I think a guy named Dellinger.
Dellinger went to the D.C. District Court, got an injunction saying, you need to keep your—you, the Trump administration, are not allowed to fire this guy.
And that went up on appeal, and the D.C. Circuit Court said, well, it's a temporary restraining order, we don't— Meddle with temporary restraining orders because the idea being you don't need to appeal them because they're going to expire in 28 days on their own terms.
But the administration has gone to the Supreme Court and said, no, no, no, no, no.
Judges do not get to tell us who to hire and who to fire, and they can't use temporary restraining orders to deny us the ability to fire people for a month.
That's a ridiculous interference with such an obvious core article to power that not even a temporary restraining order should be allowed to stay in place.
And so that's already at the Supreme Court, right?
Like, there's already been briefing.
We're probably gonna hear about that Monday, Tuesday.
I expect the Trump administration's gonna win.
And if they win that, they might essentially win a huge knockout to a slew of these temporary restraining orders, basically saying, like, the Supreme Court's either gonna, you know, take a wider view of this or just put in some dicta, basically saying all these temporary restraining orders have gone wildly beyond the judge's authority.
People need to stop messing with the executive branch, period, and stock.
phil labonte
Some of the things that I've been hearing people discussing when it comes to this kind of stuff...
Even when FDR was making massive, massive executive orders that really changed the structure of government, there were no federal judges that were just saying, well, we're going to throw an injunction on this and stop it.
And this is really kind of an innovation that's happened, started, I guess, in the 60s, but really took off in the Barack Obama administration.
Can you speak to that?
will chamberlain
Yeah, so the idea of a nationwide injunction, it's not obvious at all that judges should be able to issue injunctions beyond the parties to the litigation directly in front of them.
You know, a good example of this, I think there was a case in Florida where, you know, the state of, I think DeSantis was trying to, like, ban puberty blockers or something.
And they went to sue him.
And, you know, in federal court, the injunction was crafted so that DeSantis was not, while the case was being resolved, DeSantis was not allowed to prevent these two specific people from getting puberty blockers.
You can enforce the law broadly, but he couldn't enforce it to them.
That's the normal understanding of what power do district courts have?
Well, they have power over the litigants in front of them.
They can say, you don't do this to this person until we've settled your dispute.
So the idea that an injunction could be just broad and affect everybody in the country, despite the fact that not everybody in the country is in front of the court, it's not obvious that that should be allowed.
Especially given how aggressive some of these district court judges have been.
I mean, you know, there was the New York case where Judge Engelmeyer told Doge that they weren't allowed to access Treasury data.
I mean, they were straight up telling—it created this artificial distinction between political and career appointees, and it's like, you, the political appointees, are not allowed to see this data.
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what?
This is a democracy.
The political appointees are the people who are appointed by the elected president of the United States.
States, the civil servants do not have some, you know, bestowed grant of authority from our government.
Um, so that was bizarre.
There's been so many bizarre ones.
And I think in general, what you're going to see, I mean, I know justice Thomas has talked about tailoring these down and basically, you know, we way too many judges are getting way too quickly involved in the working as the executive branch.
Uh, I think that it's time for that to stop.
I think it's personally time for that to stop as a normative claim, and I think it will stop.
brett dasovic
Is that just – is that where I hear so much about the term and the concept of activist judges now?
Is that just because it's all become so heavily politicized?
Like I've heard a lot of people discuss about the idea of the Supreme Court wasn't always seen as something that was politically biased but rather something that was just supposed to be about interpreting the Constitution.
Now you expect most of these cases a lot of the time to fall along party lines.
phil labonte
Well, generally, yes.
I mean, I'm probably biased in my assumption, but I do think that the argument that the conservatives or the textualists are the ones that are correct in their understanding.
You have to go by what the words on the paper mean, and you can't infer meaning.
So even though it's the conservatives that are the textualists, and my political opinions align far closer to conservatives than to progressives, I do think that that is the true thing.
The other side of the argument is...
Is the Constitution is meant to be interpreted, and so the meaning will change.
But I find, like, there's arguments made by, like, Judge Napolitano that says things like, if the Constitution mean, if it doesn't mean what it says, then it doesn't mean anything.
It either means what it says or it doesn't, and if it doesn't mean what it says, then it doesn't mean anything at all.
Or things like, if the Constitution was meant to be interpreted, then they would not, the framers would not have put an amendment process into the Constitution.
That is not only there so that way you can change it but also arduous and very difficult.
Like it's the reason that the amendment process is arduous is because they didn't want you to just change the meaning of the words on the paper based on what is popular at the time.
brett dasovic
I guess I just think of it from a it's from a media framing device, which is that we talk about Soros backed DAs or Obama appointed judges or Trump appointed judges, which is a tool that both sides of the aisles friendly media apparatus uses as a way to frame their arguments when they're covering a story.
will chamberlain
I just want to, like, you've actually sort of landed on a very interesting bigger debate in American constitutional law and the question of, like, should, you know, it almost goes to, like, should we even allow judicial review?
Right?
That's not obvious.
We treat it as obvious that our Supreme Court can weigh in on the constitutionality of laws passed by Congress and can overturn them.
It's not obvious that you have to allow that to happen.
You can just say that all the court's job is only to interpret the laws passed by Congress and then see if people's behavior conforms to it.
And then that connects to the question you're also talking about, which is like, okay, when exactly did judicial activism start and what is judicial activism?
That's, you know, query whether or not, like, some of our most famous cases that most people would think of as the best cases the Supreme Court has ever decided weren't, in fact, very activist.
So Brown v.
Board is a sort of classic example of this, where, you know, there's 80 years of precedent saying separate but equal is okay, and the court just decided, nah, change your mind.
And, you know, was it super principled in terms of, like, if you read the legal reasoning or you're like, man, this is just a masterpiece of legal reasoning.
Nobody could poke any holes in their argument here.
No, you could poke some holes in how they got from, how they just threw out 80 years of precedent.
But I think nobody wants to see Brown v.
Board of Education overturned.
We all agree that, you know, racial discrimination is bad.
brett dasovic
So it's reflective of society at the time.
will chamberlain
It can be.
I mean, you know, these things are, there's, you know, I think...
Conservatives always want, I think, and I'm sympathetic to this, the idea that you want it to be black and white, but the project of interpreting text and understanding meaning is there's always some amount of gray.
Like, language is not computer code.
It's not perfect.
And I think, in general, the idea that the conservatives have the better of the argument that in a world where you completely go to language is totally indeterminate and it can just mean whatever we want it to mean.
Then basically you're saying that there is no constitution and it's just a pure exercise of power.
I don't think that's right.
But I think that, you know, we shouldn't overstate the extent to which this is actually a black and white problem consistently.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And to your discussion about it's just a language, it doesn't matter, it's just an exercise of power.
That is kind of the furthest postmodernist leftist.
And that's a fundamental belief that they have, that there is no, like, that discourses are only an exercise of power, that the words that you say don't really mean anything.
And that's actually where...
That's where the foundation for the, you know, everyone's a Nazi kind of comes from.
The important thing isn't whether or not they're Nazis.
The important thing is, do you convince the people listening that they're bad people?
So you use whatever hyperbole that you want.
And these are arguments that are made by people.
I think it was like Foucault and Sartre and stuff like that.
It doesn't matter what you're saying, just that you're convincing the people listening.
brett dasovic
It's really easy to understand why that tactic became so popular as phones became more commonplace and our communication went digital, which was that those bludgeoning arguments of name-calling and categorizing you as something abhorrent became far more tactical when everyone was now connected via which was that those bludgeoning arguments of name-calling and categorizing you as something abhorrent became far more tactical when everyone was now connected via social media and they could use that as a way of silencing people they disagreed with because people weren't used
phil labonte
I think that there's a lot of...
I don't think you're wrong, I think.
I wouldn't disagree, but I think there's a lot to it because these ideas, like I said, like the postmodern kind of left kind of got their start, you know, in like the 60s, like late 50s, early 60s and stuff.
Well, 50s and 60s.
brett dasovic
So now you have, you know, you have your academics and your students who go to your four year colleges and have years of indoctrination into those beliefs, arguing online with somebody who works at an auto body shop.
And they think that those tactics of sounding unbelievably erudite while insulting you are going to work forever.
But we're seeing that that's less and less true now as those kind of arguments hold less weight.
phil labonte
Yeah, well, I mean, as long as people – when you're first called a Nazi, it's shocking because you're like, what?
How do you get there?
I'm not.
And then you start – people start – they – Second-guess themselves.
They're like, have I done anything like that?
Have I ever said?
And it's like you have to kind of take stock of yourself.
But the more you hear it, the more you get called it, when you know that you've never zigged a heil, you're just like, that's not true at all.
There's nothing that I have ever done that even remotely resembles that.
So you're just saying this, and then people kind of get used to it.
And that's kind of what's happened.
People, like, they know that they're not Nazis.
People know that they're not actually bigoted.
And so when someone calls you bigoted...
When you know you're not, you're just like, I know that I'm not, you know?
brett dasovic
The cudgel works on the most, the ones who are the least self-assured, right?
So it works on somebody who isn't sure of who they are, or at the very least has a very deep fear of what others think of them.
raymond g stanley-jr
What's the use of dismantling language?
Well, you might know.
Words don't mean anything anymore.
Maybe does it go to the Constitution?
will chamberlain
So it allows you to kind of do whatever you normally want to in terms of law, right?
So that's the first, you know, the power of if you can basically win that all language is totally indeterminate and that then really law just becomes an exercise of power.
There's no principled basis on which to say like you can or can't do anything.
I mean, the left prefers that because it, you know, it believes in what's so-called like living constitutionalism.
I think this is what you were getting at with a lot of your kind of, you know, the critique of interpretation.
But, you know, the left really doesn't want to be constrained by the past understandings and past written texts.
They just want, you know, they want to go.
brett dasovic
Is that like when they talk about well-regulated militia in regards to the Second Amendment when they understand that's not what they meant?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, to a degree, yes.
I mean, it is.
If you look at the context of a well-regulated in the time frame, it's pretty clear that they meant a working properly militia.
They weren't talking about the government regulating things because now the government regulations, like the way that we think of the administrative state, when you think of regulation, you think of the bureaucracy deciding laws, making rules.
That's not what well-regulated means.
will chamberlain
The key thing there is it's about how does that clause operate grammatically.
So the clause is a well-regulated...
Regulated militia being necessary to a free people, something like that.
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
You know, this is a good example of where English is actually not indeterminate.
That phrase is a prefatory phrase that is basically saying the way that sentence reads properly is the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
And here's a really good reason why.
But it's not saying this is, you know, this is the only reason why and this is therefore the only purpose for which bearing arms is acceptable.
No, that's not the right way to read that English.
brett dasovic
So would it have been easier if they just didn't give any reason and just said the...
will chamberlain
Right, yeah, well they didn't assume that, I mean, it's pretty clear actually.
I mean, my understanding of, you know, the history of the Second Amendment, they understand exactly what they were doing.
I mean, you know, there's a lot of like really cruddy Second Amendment arguments that the left puts out there.
Things like, well, you know, they only had muskets back then.
So like you can only have muskets now.
It's like muskets were state of the art.
Right.
They were basically saying that the Sednary should have state of the art weaponry.
You know, and.
I mean, there are there are, I mean, obviously, like some limits on that, but the there's a whole slew of terrible left wing arguments.
But the worst of them is sort of seizing on this prefatory clause and then just butchering not only English grammar.
When the thing was written, but English grammar now.
brett dasovic
Have you ever seen the meme where it's like, women, if they go back, if they had a time machine, men, if they had a time machine, and the men, it's like, write it as if they're two.
Write the Second Amendment as if they were five years old.
phil labonte
We're going to go ahead and we're going to jump to one last story, and it's a light one to end the week.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Israel Hamas swapped to go ahead, despite claim child hostages were killed with bare hands.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
phil labonte
So the ceasefire deal still on track amid uproar over fate of two Israeli boys and false return of their mother's bodies.
So this is a situation that I find particularly disgusting, and it's something that people seem to ignore when they're talking about the Israel-Palestine argument, if they're sympathetic to the Palestinian side.
From The Guardian.
That is crazy.
The Israeli Defense Force said in a statement on Friday afternoon that autopsy results and military intelligence concluded that members of Hamas used their bare hands to kill Ariel Baez 4 and his 10-month-old brother Kiffer when they were seized in October 2023. If I understand correctly, there's actually no evidence that these kids and their mother were actually seized by Hamas.
They were...
will chamberlain
There's some idea that they were seized by Gazan civilians.
raymond g stanley-jr
That's what I've been hearing.
phil labonte
Because they don't wear uniforms, which, I mean, whether you think that the...
will chamberlain
Except when they're handing them over in these ceremonies.
Then they somehow find their uniforms.
phil labonte
Crazy, right?
will chamberlain
I wonder where they went.
Maybe it'd make it easier to identify who's a military and who's a civilian if they would wear them during conflict.
phil labonte
Well, you know, the Geneva suggestions are just that, apparently.
But they don't wear...
On October 7th, they weren't wearing...
You know, military garb.
They weren't wearing uniforms.
And there's a lot of people that would make the argument that there were a lot of Palestinians that just went into Israel and were kidnapping people.
And I find it difficult to disprove that theory.
Again, because they weren't wearing, you know, they weren't wearing uniforms.
So you can't really prove that there is a distinction.
And that's something that I find difficult to...
There are people that say, oh, well, you know, not everyone in Gaza is Hamas, sure, but I think they had like 70% approval rating or something like that in a poll or something.
will chamberlain
Where's the Gazan-Oskar Schindler, right?
Where is the Gazan, you know, there have been hundreds of, it's been a year and a half.
It's not like, also, Hamas is not as powerful as the Nazi regime was in Germany, right?
Like, Hamas got their ass kicked very quickly.
phil labonte
I want to, just for a point, I want to articulate that.
In Germany, there were Germans that saved Jews.
In Gaza, there were no Gazans that saved Jews.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
phil labonte
So in Nazi Germany, there were Germans that were protecting Jews and hiding Jews in, like...
You know, in Nazi Germany, there are no Gazans that were protecting Jews.
In fact, there were Gazans that were considered Gazan civilians that went into Israel and kidnapped Jews.
raymond g stanley-jr
This is my ignorance for the situation.
In Germany, Jewish folks lived inside the city of where Germany was, with the Germans.
phil labonte
They were German, too.
raymond g stanley-jr
They were Jews.
Right, but I'm just saying, yes.
But also, I don't know of any...
I've not heard of Israelis living in Gaza.
I feel like it's...
unidentified
Zero.
phil labonte
Right.
will chamberlain
You know why it is?
raymond g stanley-jr
So there's no...
will chamberlain
Israelis literally ripped...
The Israeli government ripped Israeli citizens from their homes and their settlements in the Gaza Strip in 2005. They made the Gazan Strip free of Jews.
raymond g stanley-jr
Well, that's why there's no Gazan Schindler's List, because there was no one living there at the time.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I guess they...
Yeah, it's just like it's a place where they're working.
Yeah.
And I think you're right.
Actually, that's a good point, right?
The people of Gaza don't have any day-to-day interactions with Israelis unless they were among the few who were getting work permits to go work in the Strip.
So you just have no relationship and no sort of empathy.
Because there's none of that cross-cultural interaction.
And I think that that probably is a good explanation for whereas not everybody in Germany agreed with Hitler.
And certainly there were plenty of Jews just living in Germany prior to Hitler that Germans would have been interacting with.
raymond g stanley-jr
So that's the point that folks are standing in line.
Nothing to fill.
It's mute.
You can't just say that anymore.
phil labonte
And there was also, in the background of this, or during this, there was a, I think there were three buses that exploded in Israel?
unidentified
Six.
phil labonte
Oh, six buses.
will chamberlain
Yeah, six.
They designed to kill, I mean, we are very, everybody's very lucky that they went, you know, somehow, nobody died.
Oh, good.
And very could have easily been mass casualty events.
Yeah, and this is also, I mean, I was just in Israel, just like full disclosure, I was in there for about a week, and I've never had any security issues myself.
But the big discussions have been all about these hostage release deals, and where Israel's giving up 30 or something prisoners for every one hostage they're getting back.
And a lot of these prisoners are convicted criminals, people who were used to be involved in bus bombings back in like the Second Intifada in like 2000, and even more recently.
And all of a sudden, You know, after Israel has now released something like a thousand of these convicted criminals, all of a sudden buses are blowing up again.
Like, not, you know, I'm a fan of Israel, but I gotta say, and, you know, I really don't like the hostage deals they've been doing.
I think they've been really too, a little bit too cavalier about the future consequences of releasing these criminals, like that their own citizen, a lot of their own citizens are going to die or be taken captive in the future by some of the people that they're releasing.
raymond g stanley-jr
Are they releasing them into the city, or are they sending them...
will chamberlain
Some of them are getting released into the West Bank.
Some of them are getting released into Gaza.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
Do you have a sense that...
I mean, obviously, Gaza's been basically leveled.
I don't know exactly how many cities there were in Gaza.
I think there were two major cities in Gaza, right?
Three.
will chamberlain
I mean, Gaza City is the dominant population center, but then there's Kanyunas and Rafa in the other south.
phil labonte
And I know Rafa got...
Got really destroyed.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
phil labonte
That was kind of the final stand.
will chamberlain
People forget.
I mean, Israel's really small and the Gaza Strip's even smaller.
phil labonte
Size of New Jersey, right?
will chamberlain
Israel might be the size of New Jersey.
The Gaza Strip is the site of Las Vegas.
phil labonte
Oh, wow.
will chamberlain
That's it.
You know, Las Vegas is a big town.
phil labonte
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Right?
Like, there's downtown and there's a strip, right?
But, like, still not that big.
So, you know, I mean, we're talking 50 by 8 square miles or something.
phil labonte
Is it your sense that the...
Donald Trump has been talking about some very novel ideas of how to solve the issues going on in Gaza.
Is it your sense that that kind of approach is something that, first of all, that would produce positive results?
And second of all, is it something that the world is ready for?
will chamberlain
I mean, I think the world, whether the world's ready for it or not, it's happening.
And I think what it has done, I mean, Trump basically saying, You know, he was basically being boxed in by the people.
They're like, well, you know, Israel won't take this over and nobody will stand for it.
And so, you know, your only option here is basically like take the Palestinian Authority that's in charge in the West Bank.
You can put them in charge of Gaza.
That's it.
That's really your only option here.
Trump's like, well, don't they suck too?
And everybody's like, oh yeah.
Oh yeah, they really suck.
Trust me, the Palestinian Authority is not cool.
They, you know, they might be like less radical than Hamas, but they still give like annuities to people who've blown up.
Israeli civilians.
Like, that's like, you know, blow up an Israeli civilian terrorist attack, you get rewarded by the government of the Palestinian Authority.
So these people, and they're notoriously corrupt, too, as often, you know, Arab governments are, because, I mean, we can get into the reason why.
phil labonte
Are they as, do they do the bidding of Iran the same way that...
No, no, they have the...
will chamberlain
I wouldn't say so.
I wouldn't even say Hamas really does the bidding of Iran.
They've always operated more independently.
Hezbollah is a lot more directly tied to Iran.
Hamas is more just supported by them.
And Hamas surprised everybody with 10-7.
That's something else.
Basically, but getting back to Trump, well, Trump was like, well, that's stupid.
Like, and moreover, it's not, none of this is sufficiently deterring this in the future.
So here's the new plan.
We're just going to take it over.
It'll be ours now.
And all the Palestinians get to leave.
Right?
And it's like, it's sort of, it's like a new anchor.
And it's basically saying, what it really is saying is to all these Arab countries, it's like, your solutions suck.
And I'm not accepting them.
And unless you can come up with a solution that effectively resolves the Israeli security concerns.
And it's not some like, oh, we're going to put the PA in charge.
Like, that wouldn't last.
If you can't come up with something, then we will solve this problem for you.
And we will just, we will kick everybody out and we will take over and...
You know, put beautiful hotels in a military base in Gaza.
raymond g stanley-jr
And send them to Egypt and send them to Jordan.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, you know, I talked with some people.
One of them had a really funny idea.
He's like, I really believe in the right of return for Gazans.
You know, their name, half the people in Gaza have a last name of al-Masri, the Egyptian.
Others have al-Hajjazi, the Saudi, or, you know, you name it.
It's like the idea being that they should all go home to their places of origin.
That would be just fine.
phil labonte
So the Egyptians have been, they're not interested in taking the Palestinians.
The Jordanians are not interested in taking the Palestinians because I know that there was some kind of uprising attempted in Jordan, right?
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, historically, the Palestinians have been a major source of instability in both countries, particularly in Jordan.
They tried to assassinate, you know, the PLO when they were there.
I mean, we're talking about all the 80s, 70s, 80s.
They were, like, trying to assassinate the king of Jordan.
I think that's right.
But they tried to rebel against the Jordanian government.
phil labonte
Isn't the queen of Jordan, isn't she Palestinian?
will chamberlain
I think she is.
She's certainly sympathetic to them.
But I get it.
I'm actually a little more sympathetic to the Egyptians and the Jordanians than maybe not the Egyptians because they did allow all those weapons to go into Gaza and then are like, ooh, me?
But this is a radicalized population.
You know, as I think we articulated at the beginning of the segment, there's a lot less distinction between Hamas and the Gazan population at large than people try to articulate.
This isn't like, you know, ISIS just randomly coming in and not having a serious amount of domestic support.
Like, the people of Gaza support Hamas by and large.
So, you know, there is...
I sent that to the Egyptians and the Jordanians not wanting an additional, like, Sunni Islamist, you know, population in their country to, like, destabilize their own countries.
I get that.
But guess what?
You're going to have to take some people, I think, probably.
And assuming we go there—or, again, you're going to have to figure out a way to solve the underlying problem in Gaza in a way that satisfies the Israeli security concerns, which are substantial.
phil labonte
That's not going to happen.
I mean, the argument—I find the argument compelling that if the—I think it was—it might have been Hugh Hewitt that said this, but he said, if the— If the Gazans put down their weapons, or if Hamas puts down their weapons, then there will be peace.
And if the Israelis put down their weapons, there's going to be a lot of dead Jews.
will chamberlain
Yeah, and the thing that really is interesting is the way that the West kind of projects its own way of viewing the world onto and saying that the people in Gaza and the West Bank think the same way, or should think the same way.
Like, they just want a state.
No.
No, they don't.
They want Israel gone.
That's their goal.
They want Israel gone.
They think it's a stain on their honor.
phil labonte
That's exactly what From the River to the Sea means.
And you can hear that.
will chamberlain
They keep saying it.
They're like, how clear could they be?
raymond g stanley-jr
Leave them when they tell you.
will chamberlain
We want to get rid of Israel.
We want the Jews gone.
Oh, they just mean they want their own national aspirations.
phil labonte
Do you remember Dabik?
Do you remember Dabik?
When ISIS was actually a real power, they had their magazine they were putting out, it was called The Beak, and they had an article called Why We Hate You and Why We Fight You, and it literally went through all the reasons why the Sunni Islamists hated people that were not...
Muslims, right?
And it was very clear.
It was because you're unbelievers, because God says we gotta kill ya.
Like, straight down the list.
And Barack Obama was still making the argument, and this is to your point about, like, the West projects their ideas on.
Barack Obama was making the argument, well, no, it's economics.
They're doing this because they don't have iPhones, and they don't have modern things.
It's like, no, they literally put out a magazine with better copy editing than your average New York Times, and they were straight up saying, hey, this is what, it's called, this is why we hate you, and this is why we fight you.
will chamberlain
And we should just have the seriousness and the respect for them to tell you.
Take them at their word.
Just take them at their word that this is what they want and stop saying that what they want is just a side-by-side state.
They don't.
That's not what they want.
And that's uniform, both in the West Bank and in Gaza.
There are solutions here.
I've listened to some people who have some pretty interesting ideas about what to do about the West Bank, too.
The idea being that the Middle East has three different forces pulling it in different directions.
Tribalism and modernity.
And tribalism is an important thing.
It actually kind of explains the origin of Islam because, you know, tribalism emerges because there's not a lot of water in the Middle East, so individualism doesn't work.
You need to have a tribe.
You need to have a clan.
You need to be loyal to the clan.
And so there's a lot of, you know, there's on the one hand a lot of internal support, but also that's where, you know...
Inbreeding in the Muslim world comes from.
It's actually not a phenomenon of Islam.
It's a phenomenon of the underlying tribalism.
Islam is actually supposed to be the corrective to that because it was like Muhammad who was saying things like, you should marry from afar.
You should marry outside the clan.
Their jihad?
And also, we should all be coming together underneath the banner of Allah rather than constantly fighting with each other over water sources.
Talking about a really wildly oversimplifying history of the Arab world, but basically because Islam managed to unify tribes, get them to stop fighting each other, deal with inbreeding, and tamp down blood feuds, it was able to unite a lot of people and then swallow up a huge part of the Arab world.
But anyway, the tribalism hasn't gone away.
It's still a thing.
And so when you're trying to explain the Middle East why are certain countries peaceful and why are they not, you might say, oh, well, some of them have oil and some of them are wealthy.
It's like, no.
Iraq has tons of oil.
So does Syria.
So does Iran.
There are dysfunctional baski cases.
Dubai doesn't have any oil.
Dubai is, you know, super wealthy and powerful despite not having any.
What it is, stable tribalism.
It's like families that are...
Saudi Arabia is Saudi Arabia, owned by the Saud family.
The Emirates are united.
Arab Emirates owned by individual families and tribes that work together in concert.
Kuwait, owned by a family.
Bahrain.
Cutter.
Everywhere that's stable in the Middle East has, like, a stable tribal sovereignty.
Thus, this guy's solution, he said, Palestinian Emirates.
There should be an Emirate of Ramallah, one of the cities, an Emirate of Hebron, an Emirate of Bethlehem, an Emirate of Janine.
Like, you have small, little areas that are run by, like, with, by a, you know, essentially put the family in charge, and then they own it, and they can run it and keep it stable.
You avoid all the sectarian.
Because the thing is, one thing people don't realize, if there were, in fact, a Palestinian state, like, of all the area of the West Bank with all these different cities in it, the only thing that would unify it is hostility to Israel.
And so it's a recipe for endless war.
Because the moment if they, you know, other than that, they'd all be fighting amongst each other with their own regional and sectarian biases against each other.
And so it would just, like, the only way to glue the state of Palestine together is...
You know, trying to calm an enemy.
unidentified
Okay.
will chamberlain
You know, this is also why, like, why did Assad, why is Assad so historically anti-Israel in Syria?
Well, he leads this hodgepodge of the Alawites and the Druze and the Sunnis and the Shias.
And the only way you could get everybody to stick together is be like, those Jews, they suck.
And so, yeah, I mean...
So that's, you know, that's like a sort of long, that's the short form explanation of why, like, the two-state solution isn't, one, many reasons why the two-state solution is bad.
It doesn't account for tribalism.
It doesn't account for the clan structure of families in the region.
And, you know, a better idea would be many, many smaller statelets, little emirates.
phil labonte
City-states, like, back in, yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
Thank you.
I had no idea about any of that, so that makes a lot of sense.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I didn't either until two weeks ago, and then I listened to a guy explain it to me, and it made a lot of sense to me, so.
phil labonte
All right.
Well, I think we're going to go ahead and go on over to Super Chats.
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brett dasovic
Opportunities abound.
phil labonte
They are.
Alpha Turkey says, well, well, Maine governor got nuked.
So glad we have a president with big cojones.
One month in, and I barely feel like we can keep up.
I agree.
It was, and that was one of the things that, even though I didn't mention, that was one of the things that I was thinking about when we were talking about how the president will, you know, he will assert himself.
And for people that don't know, Donald Trump and the Maine governor got into a disagreement today about federal funding.
Actually, it was about trans women, so boys, on girls' sports teams.
Donald Trump had said, hey, you're going to have to stop doing this.
And the Maine governor said, well, we'll see you in court.
And he's like, well, if you see us in court, we're not going to give you any federal funding, so you're going to do it.
And I know that Maine isn't all that blue.
It's actually kind of purple.
So I think you lose.
And honestly, if I understand correctly, some of the analysts that I've been listening to were saying that it is an 80-20 transition.
Topic in Maine.
80% of the people don't like young boys that are dressed as girls on girls sports teams.
I think that's generally kind of the split in the U.S. Most of the people are kind of like, you know, even if you decide you want to go live your life and maybe I'll call you she, you still can't play sports with the girls.
So there's your backstory for that one.
Let's see here.
What else do we got?
WhiskeyDrankers says, Hey Phil and crew, I was hoping to get a shout out for Heroes Never Alone, a 501c3 out of Legionnaire, PA. A good place to move without West Virginia 1099BS. Thanks for all you guys do.
We love you.
Cheers.
Thank you very much.
And there's your shout out.
raymond g stanley-jr
There you go.
phil labonte
There you go.
Common Sense Fishing says, I just busted a gut laughing hearing Phil smirk when saying Ray Stanley will be in the members area like...
He's but nobody?
Quickly followed up by a junior.
That's kind of what he said.
That's what the super chat says.
I know it's kind of tough.
YouTube is real finicky when it comes to the typing.
raymond g stanley-jr
So shout out Common Sense Fishing.
phil labonte
I think so, yeah.
Shut up, man.
brett dasovic
Sometimes there's character limits depending on how much the Super Chat works.
raymond g stanley-jr
It's very tricky.
brett dasovic
You've got to figure out a way to fit everything you want to say in there.
phil labonte
And also, it'll finish it for you, but it doesn't do it like other spell checks does.
It's kind of difficult.
brett dasovic
The hardest part for me when we're doing the show is reading the articles, because I suck at reading out loud doubly as hard when it's reading the Super Chats.
phil labonte
Super Chats, yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
Because you've got to kind of know what they're saying.
will chamberlain
You can't just robotically read it.
You never know what somebody's going to say.
brett dasovic
No, it happens.
phil labonte
That happens to Mary a lot of times.
She'll just go, I'm not reading that.
unidentified
She's good at not falling into the trap, right?
brett dasovic
Otherwise, somebody's going to get you to say something awful.
phil labonte
So YouTube just crashed, so we're reloading here.
Give us a second.
Let's see.
Let's see here.
Zach Yandel says, Brett...
Your lie in April on Hulu recent discovery.
unidentified
What?
brett dasovic
Read it again?
phil labonte
Literally says, Brett, your lie in April on Hulu recent discovery.
And it's your as in possessive, not you are.
brett dasovic
Oh, so it's a show or a movie.
Okay, I'll have to...
phil labonte
Let's go?
brett dasovic
Okay, let's go.
I'll have to check it out.
You should go check out Reacher Season 3, which is very, very good.
Season 3?
unidentified
Okay.
brett dasovic
Yep, much, much better at its start than Season 2 was, even if Alan Richardson is kind of a TDS-suffering lunatic.
That's okay.
will chamberlain
I'd go watch The Agency.
You guys haven't seen that one?
The Showtime?
brett dasovic
Yeah, that's a little bit too cerebral.
I mean, it's Michael Fassbender, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah, it's Michael Fassbender.
brett dasovic
I get into it, and I'm like, I don't care about the mental health of spies.
I just want to see him blow shit up.
I just want to see him, you know, like, let's find a middle ground here.
Like, I don't want to watch a spy go to therapy.
It's just me.
phil labonte
Can he go in a car chase after he gets out of therapy?
Or get on a car chase getting to therapy and he runs in the office and he's like, okay, now I'm safe.
brett dasovic
Get to the gunfight on the way to the therapist.
That I'm okay with.
phil labonte
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
Therapist is like, tell me about your day.
phil labonte
Tommy K. Tomic says the FBI should halt all flights scheduled by people on the list.
brett dasovic
What list?
will chamberlain
Must be talking about the Epstein.
phil labonte
Oh, the Epstein list.
Okay, yeah, there you go.
Or on the Diddy list, yeah.
brett dasovic
I mean, that depends with the way flights are going these days.
will chamberlain
I feel like they should just be arrested.
Like, can we start with that?
Like, I don't know.
I'm just, like, going to throw out there that maybe the people who sex traffic children should, you know, the consequences should be more substantial than awkwardness.
phil labonte
Her blocks abound.
brett dasovic
No, they're like that, or you have to fly one of those Endeavor Air...
Flights.
raymond g stanley-jr
Or spirit.
will chamberlain
Imagine if that was the way that our government resolved this problem.
They're like, okay, we found you guilty of flying to go have sex with children.
The solution to this is you're not allowed to fly anymore.
brett dasovic
No, it's like nothing but flights from women.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's all just unmanned flights.
The Endeavor Air, Endeavor Air.
will chamberlain
Right, you have to go on those flights.
phil labonte
They're all women, Endeavor Air.
They would actually have hashtag unmanned because there was an all-woman crew, which is...
Cringe, but typical of feminists and stuff.
Common Sense Fishing says, the way politicians flip-flop like fish, I don't trust anyone who hasn't been America first from the get-go.
Even before Trump showed up, like Ron and Rand Paul, they're all swamp creatures nearly all.
brett dasovic
I mean, you do have to give some grace to politicians that have...
turned things around and have stood by their convictions since then, right?
From what I understand, J.D. Vance had some stances early on in his career that didn't necessarily line up.
will chamberlain
J.D. Vance didn't like Trump in the 2016 primary.
brett dasovic
The point is kind of more to – if the ideas that you're promulgating are good for the country and they're held by a lot of people, you want to get the politicians to go to work for you and your views.
I don't go to politicians or actors for honesty.
I go to them because either you're making a piece of art that I want to consume or you're potentially in charge of helping put forth laws and ideas that I want to see come forward.
And in that case, I don't know the person.
I don't know whether they honestly believe that, but it's about making sure that the views that the movement are pushing are the ones that are popular because they're the ones that they're doing.
I don't look to them for...
Integrity.
phil labonte
If the option is a politician with integrity that I disagree with or a politician that's going to lie about what he believes but still going to do the things that I like, I'm going to go with the guy that's going to lie and do the things that I like.
brett dasovic
And that is more likely to be the case even for the ones that are going to do things that you don't like.
You're more than likely going to get one void of integrity going against you or for you.
Very rarely do you get a politician with integrity.
phil labonte
And there's one thing that I want to say on this.
We talk about it fairly regularly on here.
It's easy for us as pundits or people that are on the internet talking about politics and stuff.
It's easy for us to get wrapped up in, this is what I want, and it's got to be this way.
But you've got to remember, the Republicans only have a two-seat majority in the House, and they only have a one-seat majority sometimes in the Senate.
And that means that you have to deal with the opposing party to get them to vote with you.
Like, how the sausage is made sucks, but this is the system that we live in.
And it's real easy for us to say, we want this and we want that, and if we don't get it, then we're going to primary this guy and blah, blah, blah.
But that doesn't mean that the next guy is going to have a different circumstance if the split in the House or the Senate remains the same.
will chamberlain
Yeah, this is sort of my, you know...
We at the Article 3 project have been pretty hard on a lot of senators, and we did a lot of bullying, which I'm very proud of.
phil labonte
It's always proper to bully senators and congresspeople.
will chamberlain
Especially to get President Trump's nominees confirmed.
But I do have a view that is, and I think especially, you should let Susan Collins do what she wants.
That's the view.
Why is that?
Because Susan Collins is as good as we're going to get in Maine.
We're not going to get a better...
You know, the alternative to Susan Collins is a Democrat who votes with us 0% of the time.
Susan Collins voting with us half the time is gravy.
It's why the Democrats were so stupid when they complained about Joe Manchin constantly.
Like, Joe Manchin's from here.
He's a West Virginian.
You're lucky you get, you know, West Virginia went 70% for Trump.
You're lucky you get any votes ever.
And you should be grateful every day that Joe Manchin doesn't just decide to switch parties and tell you to screw yourself.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
brett dasovic
And the difference is kind of that the Republicans look at that as somebody who's voting to support what his constituents want, whereas the left sees it as somebody who's not obeying their rules.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
phil labonte
And I agree with you both totally.
And I just think that it's important.
Or it's incumbent on us to remind people that there are realities that we're dealing with and whereas we're going to, like I said, we're going to sit here and pontificate and we're going to say we want this and we wish this and we think this.
That doesn't mean that that changes anything in Washington, and the realities on the ground are always going to be the realities on the ground.
If we can get two-thirds of the House and then 75 seats in the Senate, then let's go do everything we want.
Go repeal everything, get rid of all the stuff we can get rid of.
That sounds awesome to me, and I'm all for it.
But considering we don't have that kind of majority, there are limitations as to what we can do.
And if we end up with two big bills like they're talking about, it's better to have the stuff that you want and a bunch of garbage that you don't want than have nothing at all.
And that's your option.
A bunch of garbage to get the other people to vote for it, or else you don't get a bill that you like at all.
raymond g stanley-jr
On the J.D. Vance thing...
Casual fishing is correct.
I mean, he could have been.
He's a Marine.
He's from the Appalachian.
He could have loved America's whole life.
It didn't mean he was America first just because he judged Trump in a certain way.
So, like, he could have, you know, he said what he said about Trump.
He had his thoughts, but it may be in the back of his mind.
A lot of people still love this country.
He still wanted to serve his country.
So I give respect to that part.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
So we're going to go ahead and read some more Super Chats.
Shane H. Wilder says, one thing I noticed MSM not covering is the 70 Christian martyrs beheaded by ISIS-linked terrorists in the Congo in the Kasanga Massacre?
I did not know about this at all.
raymond g stanley-jr
That recent?
phil labonte
I assume so.
will chamberlain
How do you spell that?
Kasanga?
unidentified
K-A-S-A. Oh, Kasanga Church Massacre?
phil labonte
Things that happen in Africa frequently get ignored unless it's North Africa.
brett dasovic
And they don't like to talk about any form of persecution that Christians face.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, yes.
brett dasovic
That goes against the Marxist left-wing view in America.
phil labonte
Which kind of speaks to the conversation we were having earlier.
Like, even in the...
Big tent MAGA movement, you do have people that are, even if they aren't true believers, they're fond of Christianity, of religion.
They're not hostile to it, which is obviously much better.
will chamberlain
This also connects to the broader Israel point.
Israel is a lot more friendly to Christianity than its neighbors are.
A lot more.
I spoke with a lot of...
I could go into detail on this, but I spoke with a number of, actually a couple of Palestinian Christians who came to speak with us, and they had really, really interesting stories about, you know, like, one of them was involved in like a sort of kind of Palestinian, like, not terror group, but a Palestinian activist group, and he thought like he had his friends, and then one day, like, one of these Islamists kidnapped his sister.
And brought them back to a different city.
And he knew the people in there.
And he went to the city and he's like, hey guys, I've been working with you all this time.
I'm with you in this activist group.
Can I get my sister out, please?
Thank you.
And they're like, you're Christian.
There's nothing for you here.
Like, at all.
And that's the point I was making about there's an underlying tribalism and sectarianism in a lot of Arab culture that like, oh, you're not our religion?
Well, you're not us.
Oh, your sister got kidnapped?
That's too bad.
Sucks for you.
Not our problem.
And then you compare that to what they get in Israel where, yeah, the Christians are definitely a minority in Israel, obviously.
And really what they're fighting for is to not be treated.
Under the Arab rubric, because there's the palette, there's the Jewish rubric and the Arab rubric that are sort of settled in because those are the much bigger populations.
And there's fights that the Christians are having to be like, no, no, no, we're different from both.
Like we want Christian education.
We want our kids to be brought up Christian and the Israeli government's like, yeah, okay, sure.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Tyrant God says, I found out in France you have to have a suppressor by law if you own a firearm.
Your safety of the public.
The only reason why they are heavily regulated in the U.S. is control.
Rock on field.
Cheers.
You're totally right.
And it's not just France.
There's multiple places in Europe where a suppressor is actually mandatory.
How polite.
It is polite.
It is.
I mean, if you put a can on a rifle, especially like a...
Medium cartridge, like a 5.56 or whatever.
Like, it's still got a loud snap when you're shooting it, but it's totally different than shooting that same rifle without any hearing protection and without a can, man, it's...
One time when I first started shooting rifles, one time I went to the range and I forgot my ear pro and I was like, oh, I'm going to go ahead and shoot anyways.
I shot one round.
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I was like, no, the hell I'm not.
phil labonte
It was when I lived in Massachusetts.
It was a 40-minute drive to the range.
It was a 40-minute drive home.
And it sucked, but I was not shooting anymore because, man, that rings your bell.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I don't shoot often, but I think I got invited to go to a shooting range once and it was the first time I'd gone shooting in like 20 years.
And I go there and I'm like...
You forget, if you don't do it, how loud guns are.
Like, just, they are, you know, and I can hear it.
I'm like, I hear my hearing.
I can't tolerate this.
And if I don't stop, if I don't get out of this room, my hearing will be permanently damaged.
phil labonte
Yeah, definitely.
will chamberlain
Like, I need to, you know, that's pretty rough.
And I wonder how soldiers put up with that.
I mean, do soldiers just have ear protection, or is it just something that...
phil labonte
Nowadays, most of your military, like, especially your...
Infantry guys, most of them have some kind of ear pearl.
raymond g stanley-jr
I never did combat at all, but any training exercise, anything we did, always hearing protection.
phil labonte
Did you have the plugs?
raymond g stanley-jr
It was the orange plugs.
No, you can't F around with the big old ears, the muffs.
phil labonte
The new helmets you can, man.
You can put the muffs that are connected.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, sure.
Oh, that would be nice.
phil labonte
I can dig that.
raymond g stanley-jr
I'm not a robot.
phil labonte
But that's one of the things.
The military, if you look at the...
Regular riflemen infantry, they're pretty well eclipsed.
They're walking out with hard armor for rifles, and they're walking out with a decent amount of armor for flak, and they're walking out with...
Ear Pro and most of them are getting at least a single tube night vision.
They're really well armed.
raymond g stanley-jr
You can just go right down to the local PX and a lot of places in town like Jacksonville.
If the government's not going to give it to you, you can load up yourself and take what you need to.
will chamberlain
Actually, I'm curious.
You're a musician, right?
Ear production's got to be a big deal for you too when you're just playing.
phil labonte
On stage, we wear in-ear monitors, so I'm in control of how loud it is, but they're form-fitting.
They're expensive as hell to get the ear.
They're multi-drivers.
There's multiple little speakers in there and stuff, and they've got a full range and stuff.
I've been doing it 25 years and I have tinnitus, you know, on stage.
I'll start out at a certain volume and depending on the size of the stage or where we're playing, it's like if you're playing a smaller place and you're right on top of the drums or you're close to the drums, you kind of need to crank it up and it gets loud in there.
But if you're playing in a big arena, you know, you kind of turn it down.
But, you know, it's a real...
It's a real balancing act because, you know, you want to be in the moment and you want to be able to hear the crowd.
So you have mics that are facing out to the crowd and you have to turn those up, but then you've got a lot of splashback and stuff.
So it's, like I said, it's a balancing act and it's tough.
And I've definitely got tinnitus.
I hear it ringing right now.
That's part of the reason why, like, I'll wear these for a little while, but before the end of the show, usually I'll end up taking them off because just having that kind of...
Over the ear, even though I turn every time, no matter where I sit down, whoever was there before me has it way louder than I want it.
I'll go and sit down where Mary does to do PCC, and she's got it cranked up.
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He just jumps out of his seat because her volume is just sky high.
phil labonte
Girl, you're going to be deaf in a year.
But yeah, it's a real thing.
And I shoot a lot, too.
Don't skimp on earpro.
I wear expensive.
raymond g stanley-jr
You have to.
It's important.
You can be old.
You never gain your hearing back.
Once your hearing's gone, it's gone.
phil labonte
Let's see here.
Awoken State Florida says, First time Super Chat.
Love you all and everything you do.
Wanted to shout out my man's new channel, Department of Deportation.
Also a website with t-shirts for sale.
I was hoping you can help get him some extra visibility.
More viewers, thanks.
Congratulations on your new endeavor.
Department of Deportation.
brett dasovic
Great name.
raymond g stanley-jr
It'll be so popular for the next four years.
phil labonte
Mystery Beard said, My vinyl of anti-fragile arrives Sunday.
Sick, man.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
If you're looking to get a copy of All That Remains' new record, you can go to All That Remains online or you can get it off of Amazon.
I think they've got the...
I think they have the CDs.
If not, go to allthatremainsonline.com.
We got them there.
Let's see.
Anthony Green says, if you do not know who Raisin Cain is, you have to hear his story.
He's the general who told Trump ISIS could be defeated in weeks, not years.
It's legit Trump's funniest story from 45. I will check that out.
That's worth looking into.
Alright.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Phil talking about Diddy and Epstein while wearing a TTI shirt is a bold move.
I'm not sure why.
I'm not going to talk about what TTI is because YouTube has rules.
But if you know, you know.
So, yeah.
I'm not sure why that's a bold move.
Let's see.
Dark Angel Don or...
unidentified
Poops!
phil labonte
There you go.
First Super Chat longtime fan wanted to highlight the fact that General Jim Slife also got fired today.
He was a toxic POS over at FSOC and pushed DEI shit hard.
Also openly hated enlisted people, MAGA. You know, it's bad news when your brass hates the enlisted.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes.
phil labonte
You know?
will chamberlain
Yes.
raymond g stanley-jr
I don't like the brass to begin with, but if you give hate back, you can go F to F off.
phil labonte
I mean, hate...
It has to only flow up.
Hate cannot flow down.
will chamberlain
Why do you not even want to do that with your lives?
You hate the soldiers serving under you?
raymond g stanley-jr
And it's a huge deal.
Their lives you're dealing with and everything, man.
You can't be effing around with that.
phil labonte
Alright, so smash that like button.
Share the show with your friends and go on over to TimCast.com.
Join the Discord.
And yeah, so Will, you got anything you want to shout out?
will chamberlain
Yes, A3Paction.org.
So Article 3 Project.
We are, you know, we haven't really talked a huge amount about this, maybe a little.
We're all about getting people confirmed.
Now, a lot of President Trump's main nominees have gotten firm, but now we're on the subordinates and there's a lot of very important people.
phil labonte
Even the liberal secretary?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think we just, we believe Trump should get all his appointees.
phil labonte
Okay.
will chamberlain
So including the ones we don't necessarily agree with on policy.
So we think you should support them.
But there's a lot of people like Harmeet Dillon, who's going to be running the civil rights section at DOJ. People like Gail Slater is going to be running antitrust and going after big tech.
There are a lot of secondary nominees that some of these senators might be getting ideas about.
Oh, we could maybe stop them.
Go to A3Paction.org.
We make it unbelievably easy for you to contact your senator.
You click a couple of buttons and you send an email to your senator.
And trust me, that's what they pay attention to.
They don't pay attention to the broader hubbub necessarily.
But if you are a constituent...
And you email your senator and they hear about it.
They're going to take that seriously.
raymond g stanley-jr
It's a streamlined?
will chamberlain
Streamlined.
Within a minute, you'll have an email at the door and you don't know.
So a3paction.org.
brett dasovic
Guys, if you want to follow me, Instagram and Twix at Brett Dasvick on both of those platforms.
But what you should do is join us Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.
Eastern on YouTube.
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It's a lot less serious than all of the various serious stuff that we talk here.
We have a lot of fun.
You should come join us on Monday.
raymond g stanley-jr
Friends, if you want to follow me, come to X. I'm at Raymond G. Stanley on X, Raymond G. Stanley Jr. on the internet.
I have some based takes that are semi-good sometimes, so I had a great time.
It was a great Friday.
Will, always a great conversation, sir.
will chamberlain
Absolutely.
raymond g stanley-jr
Also, congratulations to Tim Allison.
They had the thing.
will chamberlain
Yes, congratulations.
raymond g stanley-jr
Shout out.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemainsOnX.
You can subscribe to me there.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
The new record dropped on January 31st.
It is called Anti-Fragile.
You can head on over to Apple Music, YouTube, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, and Deezer to check it out.
Please do.
And also, don't forget the left lane is for crime.
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