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Elon Secret Child Scandal ERUPTS, Ashley St. Clair Story Goes Viral w/Bethany Mandel | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
A plane crashed in Toronto.
It was a Delta flight.
There was only a small handful of injuries.
I believe everyone's okay, so we're glad to hear it.
Now, initially, we wanted to lead off with the plane crash story because Democrats, of course, are blaming Elon Musk and Donald Trump over this crash because they've begun to fire people at the FAA, plus pulling out of all these DEI programs they've been heavily critical of.
And sure enough, right as soon, just as soon as Trump gets in office, we start seeing a lot of plane crashes.
Now, there's a question of whether we're just hyper-focused on these stories or if there actually is an uptick.
And it does seem to be that as many people predicted over the past year, this was going to be escalating.
However, my friends, we have opted for a different lead story.
And I wanted to avoid this story.
I have to be completely honest.
One, because there's a...
I don't know, like a 2% conflict of interest in that we know Ashley St. Clair.
I consider her to be a friend to a certain degree.
We don't hang out or anything, but she's a friend of the show.
She's helped us out from time to time, and we know her.
So I try to stay out of the business, but the story over Elon Musk's secret child with conservative influence, they call her conservative influencer, has once again bubbled up as one of the top cultural stories.
As much as I don't care about tabloid drama, Well, Ashley has brought the New York Post into her home to take pictures.
There are claims now that Elon is not acknowledging the child or not finalizing an agreement or something.
We're going to go through all the details because it's a big story.
But I do believe that as this story has basically become one of the top stories outside of the major scandals that Elon has uncovered, there's a lot of cultural questions about what the conservative movement coalition is willing to accept.
Seemingly winning the culture war, there are a lot of people on the right critical of single motherhood, of women having romance and flings and love children with powerful billionaires, and with many prominent conservatives and traditional families and influencers defending Ashley, there's calls for hypocrisy.
So I think addressing these questions, considering the scope of the story now, once again, another story is dropped about what's going on with this matters.
But then I just got to say, you know, look.
Elon Musk really is rivaling Donald Trump as the most famous guy on the planet right now.
Certainly Trump is.
But with Elon uncovering what millions of dead people on the rolls of the Social Security Administration, listed as alive, brings up a lot of questions.
Sending Doge into the IRS to make layoffs and now the FAA. This man has certainly gotten a lot of work done.
That's good.
But there are a lot of cultural questions about what the right is willing to accept in terms of morality.
So we're going to talk about that and so much more.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Bethany Mandel.
bethany mandel
Hey, thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
bethany mandel
So I have a sub stack and a podcast called The Mom Wars and, you know, talking about...
Culture issues and motherhood and parenting and all of those things from a conservative perspective, but not psychotic tradwifery.
Somewhere like in the normie sphere.
tim pool
So this Ashley St. Clair Elon story is right up your alley.
bethany mandel
I actually did a podcast yesterday where we get about this.
tim pool
Well, we're getting scandalous.
Maybe we'll get more female viewers on this episode than we normally get.
bethany mandel
I didn't wear a low-cut shirt, actually, so I have to do something to earn the love of your viewers.
shane cashman
Yeah, I'm the host of Inverted World Live.
We go live every Sunday.
Last night I had a gentleman on who was raised in a community of NASA astronauts and grew up to have a lot of really weird experiences in his life, near-death experiences, cattle mutilations.
You can check that out on YouTube at Tales from the Inverted World.
phil labonte
What up, Phil?
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Shall we get into this story?
I mean, okay, so this story is nuts.
And it starts with a new story from the New York Post that has just dropped.
Ashley St. Clair feels jilted and terrified after Elon Musk refused to protect her, Pal says.
This has become viral, scandalous.
It's one of the top-dominating stories in the cultural space.
Now, we here at TimCast, we are a relatively hard-news, esoteric show.
We don't really jump into the scandalous cultural personal affairs, but this one is one of the biggest cultural stories.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Well, Elon is arguably the most important, not more than Trump, but he's like number two, basically, in terms of importance in the world, what with the gutting of all the corruption and what Doge is doing.
And this story hits a nerve on what the right, who has just had a tremendous cultural victory, is willing to accept.
So let's start with the gist of the story.
Which I think we have this one.
Man, there's a ridiculous amount of stories on this, okay?
Here's a story from the 15th.
Ashley St. Clair, influencer who claims to have had Musk's 13th child, reveals life of secrecy after whirlwind romance with down-to-earth billionaire.
Here you can see Ashley St. Clair.
I will say, full disclosure, we consider her a friend of the show.
She's been a couple times.
It's not like I hang out with her all the time, but I do think...
I consider her to be a friend in the industry, just so that's clear.
They're going to mention, in an exclusive sit-down from her glitzy Manhattan pad Saturday, Ashley St. Clair, 26, described the 53-year-old Tesla and SpaceX mogul as funny and down-to-earth, but claimed that he wanted to keep their baby a secret for everyone's safety.
My child is the most important thing that happened to me.
I wouldn't change anything.
St. Clair broke the internet on Friday when she posted an ex that she gave birth to Musk's baby five months ago, a revelation she said she was forced to make due to prying tabloid reporters.
Musk has not yet acknowledged the allegations, and his reps did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
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Now, Ashley put out a statement on Friday saying that because there were these tabloid journalists basically hounding her and her family, she was forced to make this disclosure, which she did not want to do.
The story has now taken multiple form, with the New York Post basically going off about it.
The Daily Mail picking it up, as they were the ones, I believe, who, I'm not entirely sure.
I'm assuming, I think it was Daily Mail that was going after it initially.
Yeah, that's what I heard.
Right, okay.
And here we are now.
Some are speculating with the release of these stories that what's actually happened is that, now I'm not saying this is true, but with that statement about they haven't come to an agreement yet, some are speculating the story was Elon dropped the story.
I'm sorry, dropped the conversation, was not negotiating an agreement.
And so the real reason Ashley went public was because she was trying to put pressure on Elon to come to some kind of agreement.
That's speculation online.
I would just say, you know, Occam's razor, the likely solution, I'm sorry, the solution that is likely makes the least amount of assumptions.
I think it's fair to say with the tabloids writing the story like crazy, aside from the fact she did obviously do the story with the New York Post, that she was pressured because of the media.
This is a wild story with tons of prominent conservative personalities going off saying that this should be unacceptable.
The right should not tolerate single motherhood in this way and praise or defend it.
While many other prominent conservatives are defending Ashley because she's been great for the MAGA movement.
I don't know.
You guys were mentioning before that you think that it's much more conspiratorial and crazier than that.
So I don't know what you think.
shane cashman
Why does this one have to be a secret?
Like, I wonder if that's the case for him.
Why does this baby have to be a secret while he...
Totes the other ones around.
tim pool
Was it a secret?
Or was it just currently a secret?
Like, when Elon had all these other kids, was it publicly declared, like, new baby born?
shane cashman
Well, when he had his second baby, I believe with Grimes, is also when the story came out that he had his other baby coming out with the Neuralink CEO. So that was a secret baby to them.
bethany mandel
She tweeted him, and then she ended up deleting the tweet.
On the 15th, and she said, Elon, we've been trying to communicate for the past several days and you have not responded.
When are you going to reply to us instead of publicly responding to smears from an individual who'd posted photos of me in underwear at 15 years old?
The only acknowledgement was back to Milo.
Milo was posting, like, she's been going after him for years, and so Elon responded, whoa, and then...
Ashley responded that to him and then ended up deleting it.
shane cashman
While Milo's account was banned for seven days.
So it was very strange to see Elon posting to an account.
bethany mandel
Was it banned under Elon or prior to his taking over Twitter?
shane cashman
I think it was already.
Milo was back, but I think Elon responded to it after Milo had been banned.
tim pool
Here's the tweet.
Scandalous.
From the New York Post.
Milo, who literally was on the show last week, tweeted, Ashley St. Clair plotted for half a decade to ensnare Elon Musk.
And there's a tweet, I guess we've got to pull up the image, it has been deleted, I guess.
And it said, I need to get Elon Musk's attention for a marriage proposal, please, Greg.
He said, he's got a kid with a woman already, seems unlikely to work out.
St. Clair responded, well, he actually has seven kids and goes through them pretty fast with a crying emoji.
I don't think it's fair to say that proves she was going after Elon planning for this to happen.
shane cashman
She said that was in jest.
tim pool
I believe it absolutely was a joke.
I don't think she's actually sitting there, I'm going to get Elon or whatever.
shane cashman
Also seems possible, though.
tim pool
But Elon did respond, woe, to it.
bethany mandel
And that was his only public.
tim pool
And then she responded to it, but she deleted that tweet?
bethany mandel
Yeah, so she deleted the tweet very quickly.
I got a screenshot of it, so it's like I saw it myself.
And she said, Elon, we've been trying to communicate for the past several days and you have not responded.
When are you going to reply to us instead of publicly responding?
Yada yada.
So that's the only time that he's publicly acknowledged this.
He's tweeting through it.
tim pool
It really does sound like then it's not entirely.
Or, I don't know, that Ashley was being hounded by the tabloids, but that Elon was not coordinating with...
bethany mandel
Her lawyer.
tim pool
Yeah, to be the dad and pay the bills or whatever she's got to do.
shane cashman
These two were, like, publicly arguing about H-1B just a few months ago.
bethany mandel
Elon and Ashley?
shane cashman
So, you know, maybe there was something else going on behind the scenes then.
tim pool
I mean, it may very well just be that...
They were having a dispute.
They didn't intend to go public until the tabloids got wind of the dispute, and then she was like, I guess I have no choice, you know?
bethany mandel
Right, right.
I mean, the New York Post piece that John Levine posted said that he's putting her up in a $40,000 a month place in New York, and I wonder if that's...
tim pool
$40,000 a month?
bethany mandel
Yeah, that's what it says.
tim pool
How much do you think...
Okay, I shouldn't even ask the question.
There are tons of women.
That probably would be like, if only they could have a kid with Elon.
And then never have to do anything.
shane cashman
AOC's pregnant right now.
tim pool
Is she really, though?
That is a rumor going around that she is.
There's the Dave Chappelle joke.
Remember Chappelle's show?
Oprah calls Dave and she's like, Dave, I'm pregnant.
And he goes, I gotcha, bitch!
That was his joke, you know what I mean?
bethany mandel
It's a day as old as time.
You try to get with a rich guy and then you just milk it dry.
The Playboy guy wasn't a Hugh Hefner.
All of those women who were sleeping with him all that time, it wasn't his sparkling personality.
shane cashman
Yeah, this is an archetype of a rich man with lots of children spread across the globe.
phil labonte
Yeah, considering the fact that Elon has made it abundantly clear to the world that he's looking to have as many children as he possibly can, I don't think that it's beyond...
Someone to say, hey, this is probably a fairly easy thing to nail down.
bethany mandel
I mean, I don't know if he wants to have an army of mini-Musks.
I do.
Really?
You think so?
shane cashman
It's like Jeffrey Epstein.
He also was farming out.
He wanted to create a whole army of little Epsteins.
tim pool
Yeah, Epstein was all about...
shane cashman
It was weird.
They're both transhumanists.
tim pool
Elon, however, To a certain degree, he does talk about we got to repopulate and all that stuff.
I do not believe that is his principal motivation.
Yeah, 100%.
Sometimes rich, powerful men just want to bang young women.
shane cashman
It's really that simple.
What if he, in the contract, is to bring him to Mars?
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For his breakaway civilization.
tim pool
Elon, his whole plan is not to help humanity.
It's literally he and a bunch of concubine are going to go to Mars.
phil labonte
Yes.
I mean, look, the guy's got...
You know, he has no concerns about money, right?
And he has the ability to meet and interact with women, and he's impressive to women.
So, I mean, look, whether or not his intent is to get out there and actually make as many babies as possible, or he's just careless about it, because what does it matter?
I can go ahead and take care of this woman.
Well, that's the point, then.
It's either he's careless and says, oh, it's fine if I do get this woman pregnant, or he's actually intentionally getting women pregnant.
shane cashman
That goes back to how Tim started this segment.
I think for the conservative movement, it's just a bad look.
I am very opposed to single motherhood like this, very opposed to his example of a father.
I'm putting that in quotes because he seems to only use one as a prop.
I don't think it's a good look.
phil labonte
Is this about...
The conservative movement, or is this about not the left?
Because we have been so, and I said this on Twitter a couple days ago, we have been so inundated with leftism.
It's literally in the air.
It's like being a fish in water.
Everything is leftist.
Even though the leftists will swear up and down that we're right on the cusp of a Nazi takeover.
We have been living in a leftist world for the better part of 40 years.
The left has been controlling everything.
And I think that people on the right, people that are conservative, religious, I think that they do not control the not-left.
They may actually have significant influence over the right.
They may have significant influence over the conservatives, but they don't have significant influence over the right more broadly, and they definitely don't have significant influence over the not-left.
And I think that...
Elon Musk and all this that's going on doesn't fall under the conservative Christians or the conservative right.
I think that it falls under the not left and because of the world that we live in, everything that we see that is not left is knee-jerk said, oh, well, it's conservative right.
But that's thinking like a leftist.
shane cashman
Maybe I should say then being a present father should be bipartisan.
I think it's an example of being a present father.
phil labonte
You're speaking of that from a conservative perspective?
shane cashman
Yeah, I am, but it should be a thing that goes across the aisles.
bethany mandel
Barack Obama was a super present father.
That was one of the only things that I really loved about Barack Obama.
shane cashman
Those kids have two fathers.
tim pool
I was gearing up to make the joke, but you got there before I could.
phil labonte
I think that it would do the...
Again, the MAGA coalition or the new Republicans, however you want to phrase it, it would do them well to look at this as a situation that is not the conservative right.
This is about the big tent, which is something that everybody acknowledges is necessary to continue to win elections.
This is the big tent, right?
And so if we're going to, as a big tent movement, if we're going to say, well...
Ashley is not conservative.
She's not a Christian.
She's doing this wrong.
If we're going to kick people out, or Musk is, if we're going to kick people out because they're not doing the things that a narrow group of people on the right want, then it is going to be a very, very short amount of time that this big tent has as a coalition.
shane cashman
It will collapse on itself eventually.
And then people sacrificing their morals to allow it to be a big tent will eventually turn it on itself.
You know, like, there's many things I'm way against Trump on, in terms of his stance on abortion now, and propping up a lot of these people.
That shouldn't take away from the things I do think, Elon, I love Doge.
You know, like, personal feelings aside, how I feel about him, how I view his fatherhood, what I think it is, I love what he's doing with Doge.
I just don't want to prop up people that I think are degenerate.
bethany mandel
So this is something that I struggle with.
With Elon, because he talks a lot about the fact that we are facing a real birth crisis, and it's 100% true.
And I don't think that he's carrying around his child as a prop.
I think it's great that he's showing that you can be a father and, because I bring my kids to meetings all the time, and it's nice to see a father doing that.
It makes it easier on me as a mother who does it.
But I struggle with the other parts of it, the fact that he has...
Other children who do not have a present father.
And that is so critically important.
You can bring children into this world, but they're not going to turn out okay if they don't have their dad.
shane cashman
He wants to put all of them in a compound in Texas.
That's weird.
tim pool
Wait, he said that?
shane cashman
There's an article.
He bought a compound in Texas to put all the wives and the kids.
I think maybe two of the women.
tim pool
Like a little Muskville?
bethany mandel
It's pig love.
It's big love.
tim pool
Well, look, here's the reality.
Andrew Tate tweeted something like, if your children are all with one woman, you're weak or something like that.
shane cashman
Another degenerate conqueror.
bethany mandel
No, you're not a conqueror.
tim pool
But here's the issue.
It's like, we know that kids who don't have dads grow up to do drugs and be impoverished.
shane cashman
Turned trans, like one of Elon's kids.
tim pool
Look, you need parents in your life.
So I hope Elon figures that out.
But I do agree with Phil largely that I think it's worthy of criticism, and we also at the same time recognize the Big Ten is going to have things like this in it.
And so you criticize it and say, look, Ashley has done well to help Trump and MAGA as an influencer, and so I'm a fan of all that.
This is personal stuff that I think we have no problem criticizing, but at the same time...
I don't know enough about it.
I mean, I guess.
shane cashman
To be expected with Maha, like a lot of people have come, like for the Big Ten stuff, that I'm for the Maha stuff.
And there's personal things with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I'm like, ugh.
But I love his ideas, right?
So I'm willing to hear those out, and I like that they're being carried out hopefully soon.
tim pool
Let's jump to this.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story about Elon Musk that matters substantially more.
Elon Musk cries fraud on 20 million in Social Security database over age 100.
Why audits show few have taken benefits.
I think I'm not sure if I have the image actually pulled up.
I think they have it here.
here you go.
Elon Musk says, according to the social security database, these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with death field set to false.
Maybe twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting social security.
I do, I love how he put death field set to false because like, There's a lot of people who don't know what that means.
I know someone's going to comment right now on the show and be like, we know what that means to them.
No, trust me.
There's a bunch of 50-year-old moms who are like, death field is set to false?
What does that mean?
shane cashman
I don't know what that means.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
shane cashman
It's a gaming thing?
tim pool
No, in coding, in social security database, it'll say death equals true, false.
If death equals true, the person's dead.
If death equals false, it means they're alive.
So if the death field is set to false, it's saying that there's 120,807 people between the age of 160 and 169. Look at this.
There's a bunch of 220-year-olds!
What Elon Musk has found...
shane cashman
They're in the Senate, probably.
tim pool
I mean, look at this.
There's 6 million 99-year-olds.
There's 3,110-19-year-olds.
bethany mandel
It's like 17 million that are over 100, right?
No, for real.
I'm trying to count it in my head.
tim pool
It's over 20. It's 23. So you've got...
bethany mandel
That's a lot of money.
tim pool
Yeah.
Is it 23?
23 million.
23 million over the age 100. The New York Post says Elon tweets it.
Musk bombshell has long been known by the SSA, which released an audit in July of 23 showing that 18.9 million people listed as 100 years or older but not dead were in the database.
Only 86,000 people living in the U.S. at the time were actually centenarians, according to the census.
So why do we have this?
I mean...
How is this possible?
bethany mandel
So I used to be on Medicaid.
I grew up very poor, and my parents died when I was in my teens, so I was on Medicaid for a while.
Would not wish it, actually, on anyone, because it's a real pain.
I entered Medicaid because a van was parked outside my house, and I showed them documents that didn't make mathematical sense.
But I was 18 years old, and I didn't know.
They asked me for pay stems, and I just sort of was like, here.
And none of the math added up, and I was really panicked about it, and they didn't care.
And they put me on Medicaid in New York City.
I was getting paid under the table, and so I wasn't...
I wasn't able to make my rent according to the pay stubs that I gave them.
They never asked any questions.
So then I was on Medicaid in New York.
I was on Medicaid in New York for probably 10 years.
I stopped submitting the paperwork to stay on it because I didn't need it anymore, and they just kept me on the rolls.
It was Hotel California.
I could not exit.
I might still be on Medicaid in New York.
I don't know.
Someone can Google and figure it out.
tim pool
They don't want to lose the benefit.
bethany mandel
It was Hotel California staying on Medicaid in New York State.
I imagine it's the same with all of these government programs.
Why would anyone be honest and say, actually, I don't need my great-grandmother's Social Security anymore.
Thanks very much.
tim pool
How do you cash it, though?
I mean, I suppose it's signed over.
bethany mandel
They're forging signatures for the benefit of I mean, it's like so I my mom died when I was 16. So I got Social Security benefits and it was just signed into the name of my guardian at the time.
And I imagine it's the same thing as someone.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
tim pool
If someone's listed as yep, as conservatorship or something like this.
bethany mandel
And my aunt actually stole all my Social Security money as a result.
tim pool
That sounds like what Elon Musk is talking about.
Social Security fraud.
bethany mandel
Oh, sorry.
And then I tried to get Social Security to investigate it because my aunt did commit Social Security fraud.
And my caseworker, and I'm not being mean, I'm being serious, was...
Was mentally retarded and couldn't understand anything.
I have notes that he wrote and he had the reading level of an eight-year-old probably.
My seven-year-old writes better than this guy did.
And I was like, why don't you just go to her house and ask her why she took my money?
Did you try doing that?
He's like, I did, but she didn't answer the door, so case closed.
Sorry.
And that was it.
My aunt made $23,000.
tim pool
Think about it.
You are a corrupt government official and you want to make sure you cover your tracks.
What do you do?
You hire everybody in your department to be below average so that there's no actual way to deal with it.
Because they're going to go to these investigators and these employees and be like, why didn't you stop this?
And they go, stop what?
Well, this man's not $150.
That money's going nowhere.
Really?
Yes, there's no one alive that's $150.
But it says they're alive.
How do you deal with that?
You can't do anything.
shane cashman
I wonder if they can cross-reference the people who are 150. And their voting records.
bethany mandel
In Chicago, it'll be 100%.
tim pool
It would be really cool, though, if they were like, we looked into this and found that most of their addresses were in the sewer, and then they go down there and there's a bunch of more 180-year-old pale people with white eyes.
We voted, too.
shane cashman
They're in that mine that Elon's talking about.
phil labonte
So this might be a bit of an aside, but one of the things that I hear a lot of people criticizing Doge about is they're doing these audits, and there are a lot of people in government that say, Oh, these audits are done every year.
These numbers are produced every year and anyone can look them up and anyone can see them and stuff.
And it's like, okay, so why is it acceptable that this waste continues to go on?
And if it was known, why is it that no one's done anything about it?
I mean, if it's such an obvious, simple thing and Musk doesn't need to do this because it's audited and these numbers are produced and they're public knowledge and stuff, well then why is it that nobody in the whole effing government, how come no one said, hey?
We should stop doing this.
tim pool
I like how the New York Post is like, they did an audit two years ago, and they knew this already, and it's like, and they didn't fix it?
phil labonte
That's my exact point.
Like, this is something that I've heard from multiple people.
It's like, well, you know, they do this, and this is...
Musk doesn't need to do this stuff.
This is all...
Everybody knows this, and everybody...
Then you all should be fired.
Every last one of you should lose your job.
bethany mandel
When I was on Medicaid, I had a dentist who charged Medicaid for something like 18 fillings.
And I called Medicaid and I was like, but I don't have that many teeth.
It was like a crazy number of fillings that they charged.
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It was a crazy number of fillings.
bethany mandel
And I called to report the fraud.
And they were like, yeah, yeah, he does charge a lot.
And I'm like, So why don't you do something?
There's just no initiative.
This is the problem with public sector.
Where is the initiative?
Where is the impulse to do anything about it?
There's no...
phil labonte
I agree with you, but it does speak to that exact fact that not only does no one do anything about it, but when there's someone doing something about it, they think it's a defense to say, we knew about this.
What are you talking about you knew about this?
How is this acceptable?
It's because of things like Elon Musk doing this.
Another thing that I'll mention that people might not be aware of, but this is not the first time this has happened.
A program almost identical to this happened during the Clinton administration.
bethany mandel
And during the Obama administration, too, actually.
phil labonte
Really?
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Okay.
bethany mandel
I don't know about the Clinton, but I know about during the Obama administration.
I have a friend whose husband was working for the Obama White House doing this.
Like, he was doge.
And, you know, it was fine under Obama.
phil labonte
But now it's fascism.
It's so tiring and ridiculous.
bethany mandel
And my friend's husband was actually not even a government employee, similar to Elon.
He was a contractor in a fellowship that was privately funded.
Like, it was literally dope.
phil labonte
It's all so exhausting, but it speaks to the necessity of this.
The way people are reacting, it shows that it is...
Absolutely necessary.
Because it isn't going to get better.
It's not like if this were done by a Democrat.
Actually, I don't know that modern Democrats would do this the way that Barack Obama or Bill Clinton did.
Both of whom were Democrats, by the way, in case you've forgotten.
I don't know that a modern Democrat would do that, considering they had such total control over the slush fund.
But if they were to decide to do it, I don't know the results or the reactions would be any different.
It would still be, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
And it's better to do it now with an adversarial administration that's adversarial to all of Washington.
Thankfully.
shane cashman
I was in a cafe earlier today and I literally heard two women talk.
I believe they could have been witches.
They were crying over USAID experiments being defunded.
Literally saying...
phil labonte
Thanks, Ian.
shane cashman
They were like, we wanted to know about certain animals and the experiments that were being done on them.
I'm like, are you serious?
tim pool
Well, those beagles, I mean...
shane cashman
Yeah, they're pro-Fouchy.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, the beagles' faces aren't going to eat themselves.
You've got flies in there.
That's what Fauci was doing.
shane cashman
How are we going to know what to put boosters in ourselves?
tim pool
It is wild that I think all of this fraud stuff in Doge proves there's a zombie cult, and then there's regular sane normal people.
The Democratic Party is largely zombie cultists because you have—we'll get into it in a little bit, but you had that woman on CBS say, Hitler weaponized free speech to do a genocide.
And it's like, whoa, whoa.
Marco Rubio was like, I have to, you know, shout out to Rubio for pushing back.
If it were me on there, I would have started yelling like, what?
phil labonte
I have thoughts.
bethany mandel
I would have been dumbfounded.
I really would have.
And it's funny because after they spent like...
Two and a half weeks calling Elon Musk a Nazi because he went like this, and I'm going to be called a Nazi for doing that, and I'm an orthodox gentleman.
tim pool
It's okay, though, it's your left arm.
bethany mandel
Okay, so it's like...
tim pool
So, the issue was, these are people who claim that conservatives want to ban books from schools, just like the Nazis burned books.
But also the Nazis were in favor of free speech at the same time.
It's like, look, you don't need that example because y'all have been watching the show and you get it already.
But not a day goes by we don't get another psychotic example of they will say whatever they literally have to say to fit in with the opposite.
It is.
Look, you know what it is?
It's bizarro America, right?
You've got Superman and he's strong for, you know, he stands for truth, justice and the American way.
Get out of here, modern, woke, stupid movies.
And then you have Bizarro, who talks backwards and sounds like a moron and is really weird.
And that's just it.
Whatever the opposite of America is, they do.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So when we're like, we like free speech, so did Hitler.
No, he didn't.
He burned books, just like you did, you Nazis.
It's like, what?
phil labonte
It's exhausting, but it speaks to the fact that the left doesn't actually believe things.
To them, everything, every exercise they do is an attempt at a power grab.
They will take whatever you consider important and they will twist it to use it against you.
I saw a Twitter account.
That's a leftist and he's a dirty commie.
And he straight up says, he's like, oh, you know, we're in a constitutional crisis, etc., etc.
And it was very simple to find a tweet from him where he just was like, the Constitution doesn't matter.
Everything is blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, you don't care about anything.
Other than power.
They will take what you believe in, and they do it to Christians all the time.
I'm agnostic, but you see them do it to Christians all the time.
Well, Jesus would have done this, and Jesus would have done...
And it's like, you don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
You don't believe that Jesus was anything other than a dude.
You are only doing this as a means to exercise power over someone, and you are vile because of it.
They don't believe in anything.
bethany mandel
This was the thing that infuriated me about the Elon Musk stuff with the Nazi salute.
They weaponized antisemitism while...
Completely remaining silent about anti-Semitism in every other circumstance for the last 16 months.
And they're weaponizing this free speech stuff with Marco Rubio.
And, oh, that's what the Nazis did.
I'm sorry.
Now we care about the Nazis?
Because they bring up all of this stuff only when it's convenient.
phil labonte
I want to point out one thing that communists have done forever is call everyone they disagree with a Nazi.
That is standard playbook.
tim pool
I believe Yuri Bezmenov pointed out, and it was also in Rules for Radicals, wasn't it?
bethany mandel
Yeah, Jonah Goldberg, too.
phil labonte
Call them, yeah.
tim pool
Accus your enemy, that is what you are doing or something?
phil labonte
It's something that most people should understand.
When they're calling you a Nazi, it's because they're trying to exercise power over you.
It's not that they believe that you're actually a Nazi.
And if someone's calling you a Nazi, when you're clearly doing something that is not Nazi-like, like endorsing free speech, it's because they're a commie.
bethany mandel
So...
I wrote a column like a year ago, no, like seven years ago, and the headline was, maybe it's time to befriend neo-Nazis.
And the whole point of the column was basically, you turn people away from hate by embracing them and treating them as human beings and showing them your own humanity.
But the headline is kind of clickbait, and I have had that headline screenshot and thrown at me literally 10,000 times.
I'm an Orthodox Jew, and I have been called a Nazi more times than I can possibly do.
tim pool
By people who are not Jewish.
We don't know anything about Germany.
Well, let's jump to this story here.
This is big news that broke earlier.
Delta plane crashes and overturns while landing at Toronto Airport.
phil labonte
Blame Canada.
Blame Canada.
tim pool
At least 18 people were injured, officials said.
Two passengers, including a pediatric patient, were in critical condition but were expected to survive.
So we have images.
This is pretty brutal.
There's no life-threatening injuries.
I'm glad to see that everyone's safe and okay.
Of course, these are always quite horrifying.
However, the story is now basically they're blaming Elon Musk and Donald Trump, despite the fact this was in Canada, over DEI and firings at the FAA. We have this from the AP. Trump begins firings of FAA staff just weeks after fatal D.C. plane crash.
And then I think we have this here.
Oh, so this is the actual video.
And I thought I had another tweet pulled up on this one.
I guess I don't.
I guess I don't.
Basically where they're saying, despite the fact this was in Canada, we really got to call out Trump and Elon over the firing of the FAA because this is their fault.
So here's the question.
All last year, prominent conservative voices were warning with all the DEI pushes, and not even this, like two years ago.
Charlie Kirk got attacked by Democrats because he said...
Something to the effect of, you know, like when he goes into a plane, the last thing he wants to be worrying about is the race of the pilot.
And he's like, and then you notice that you've got two black pilots, and you're wondering, did they hire the best people, or did they hire people just based on their race?
They said, oh, how racist of you for saying that, how dare you?
And Charlie's point was, he doesn't want race to be the predicate for his feelings on the pilots, but he knows these companies are using race as the criteria instead of capability of flying a plane.
Well, Donald Trump gets in.
It's been three weeks.
It's been almost close to a month now.
And Democrats are coming out saying, aha, it's Trump's fault all of these plane crises are happening because he's trying to get rid of DEI. I'm going to blame Trudeau.
shane cashman
I'm just going to do that.
phil labonte
Yeah.
shane cashman
It's Trudeau's fault.
phil labonte
I'm going to blame 70 mile an hour winds.
tim pool
It was so windy today, dude.
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Yeah.
Whoa, what?
tim pool
And like, it was windy here and there.
phil labonte
I mean, look at the pictures.
The place is covered in snow.
It was super windy.
I mean, it sucks.
The only reason I made that joke and sang the song is because I know no one died.
So, you know, it was okay to make light of it a little bit.
bethany mandel
Yeah, the runway is covered in snow.
phil labonte
How did it flip over?
shane cashman
That's wild.
phil labonte
If I understand correctly, there was really strong winds, and if a wind catches a wing, you know?
bethany mandel
So, I mean, there was...
Horrible.
After the D.C. crash that happened a month ago, there was a lot of people who said it was only a matter of time.
There was a lot of warning signs.
I think it actually makes the argument for Doge and makes the argument for firings and revamping of the FAA because they knew that this was only a matter of time in D.C. Obviously, we don't know what happened here, but it's time.
It's like before it's too late and before more innocent people die.
tim pool
They're saying that Trump and Elon going into the FAA and firing people is what's causing this?
Because these people don't understand long-term change.
Democrats are based on short-term gratification.
If you do it now, it happens now.
Unless it's per their excuse, Trump is receiving the benefits of the Biden economy or whatever.
Or Biden's economy was bad because it was Trump's fault.
It's whatever is politically advantageous.
In this regard, though, I think it's fair to say you don't get a series of plane crashes.
Three weeks into policy change.
So we saw that there was, with the D.C. plane crash, they had been complaining for years about flying helicopters in a landing path.
That's not anything Trump was doing during the Biden administration.
phil labonte
There is something that we've been talking about for at least...
You know, year and a half or so on the show, and it's a crisis of competence.
We've been saying this is going to happen, that there's going to be problems because you cannot help but have people that are not as qualified as necessary filling these jobs when you make the criteria anything other than who is the most qualified.
These jobs...
Jobs like being an air traffic controller, they're hard.
And the idea that the left has that anyone can do these things, that people are just cogs in a machine and you can replace one cog with another and there will be no negative results.
That is wrong.
That is plain...
Wrong.
That is not true.
And the results that you get from that are deaths.
When you have people that are unqualified to do things like being an air traffic controller or design bridges or any number of engineering things, any number of real-world things, be a firefighter.
These kind of things take people that are not just qualified, but capable of doing them.
And if you don't have some form of testing to make sure that the people that you're hiring actually can do the job, or if you put any other criteria above their ability when it comes to deciding who is hired, you end up with dead people.
shane cashman
To add to that...
I believe in the incompetence, clearly.
But I also think a lot of these big industries are cutting corners.
Like I bring up East Palestine, last time we talked about the other plane crash.
And they were cutting corners by lowering the inspections rates for each train car from 90 seconds to 30 seconds.
And then the people who showed up...
phil labonte
Train?
shane cashman
Each train?
phil labonte
Each freight train?
Which train are you talking about?
shane cashman
East Palestine.
phil labonte
Oh, yes.
shane cashman
Okay.
So, like, they were inspected.
Way less than they should have been.
The sensors weren't working right.
The people observing the sensors for the burning wheels weren't working right.
And then when the train did derail, the people that showed up didn't have to blow it up.
They just thought they should blow it up.
And that literally destroyed that town.
So I think they're cutting corners plus incompetence, and that's how we're getting all these good bodies.
tim pool
We actually satirized it on Cast Castle.
The gag we had was Chris and Chuck were trying to move a barrel of vinyl chloride, and then they accidentally spill it, and then Chris is like, oh crap, we're going to get in so much trouble.
What do we do?
And then Chuck goes, burn it!
But the joke was, that's kind of what we felt they were doing.
When they see this chemical spilling out, they're like, oh crap, this is going to poison the ground and just destroy this town.
What do we do?
And they're like, set it on fire.
And so they just lit it up.
shane cashman
That's what they did.
And we know they didn't have to do it.
bethany mandel
I think a lot of these people view everything as a jobs program.
And so you can't fire these people.
They need the job.
I mean, the 60 Minutes piece, was it yesterday?
I mean, it was funny because they portrayed these people as USAID employees, but actually they were like political appointees who were going to lose their job regardless.
All of these people think that they deserve jobs.
I mean, that's the problem with our entire school districts.
It's incompetency.
I don't think it's as much the indoctrination as just total incompetence.
And I'm wondering now, fast forward a year and a half from now, when all of these incompetent people lose their jobs, what are we going to do with them?
tim pool
There's a lot of really stupid people.
Have you guys ever seen the plane crash test video, which breaks down the safest place of a plane to be in?
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
And you know what the least safe seats in a plane are?
shane cashman
First class.
tim pool
First class, baby.
The most likely.
So I believe the mortality rate in a crash, like a substantial crash, like if the plane hits the ground, first class is just 0%.
And then those that are sitting all the way in the back by the tail in the toilets, it's like 90%.
I'm fine.
bethany mandel
That's always where they put me because I have to buy eight tickets.
And the only place they'll ever put us is next to the toilet.
tim pool
Me, I'm sitting up front, first class, my feet up.
Like, if this baby goes down, I'm first out.
You know what I'm saying?
At least I get a glass, actual glass, with sparkling water and some lime juice.
shane cashman
Go down in style.
tim pool
They give you actual metal flatware in first class.
Yeah, that's right.
I was actually surprised they gave people a knife and a fork, considering they won't let you have shampoo.
bethany mandel
My three-year-old urinated on me last time I flew.
phil labonte
Congratulations.
bethany mandel
I have different experiences when we fly.
shane cashman
Bio-warfare.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah, well, I do think it's fair to say that we were always going to go into the valley of death.
Like, with all of these jobs and the DEI stuff, we did not reach critical failure point.
And imagine this.
The plane is going down.
That's the Biden administration.
It hits the water, and we think it's all over.
But then it shoots up out of the water with Trump flying it.
I hope that's what happens.
And we're like, how did that happen?
bethany mandel
It's when he got shot in the head and he stands up and yells, fight!
That's when we're at right now.
phil labonte
It's pretty amazing.
I can't deny that.
I mean, I do think that there is a significant possibility that there could be really, really great things that come from all the changes at the...
At these vital institutions like the FAA. But I do think that it's not going to happen fast.
And the crisis of competence that we have been warning about, we're seeing now.
The reason that I think that we haven't seen more tragedies when it comes to air travel is because flying is just that safe.
If I understand correctly, there are redundancies on redundancies, and when there's an accident, it's multiple people make a mistake.
The crash at DCA was a fluke.
What I mean is, it was not that there was a problem with either of the vehicles.
It was man-made.
It was not an accident because of the plane or the helicopter.
It was because of, if I understand correctly, it was because of miscommunication between the pilot of the helicopter and the ground crew.
And that was because there were supposed to be two people and there was only one.
bethany mandel
But the number of near misses that happened at DCA, if you go through the history of like near miss...
Accidents was shockingly terrifying.
I feel like it was only a matter of time.
tim pool
Between planes and helicopters.
bethany mandel
DCA is like a really unsafe airport, actually.
shane cashman
I don't like going there.
bethany mandel
I mean, I love it because it's so convenient.
But it was actually interesting.
I was talking to my friend, and she said that a lot of these direct flights that are scheduled out of DCA are because senators are lobbying DCA to have direct flights back to their home district.
And so it's like an artificially actually very unsafe area.
But I looked at the history of near misses at DCA, and DCA is a uniquely terribly unsafe.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from Yahoo.
They deserve a long prison sentence.
Musk joins Trump in trashing 60 Minutes.
Well, they're liars, for one thing.
Elon Musk has come around to his boss's way of thinking, trashing CBS 60 Minutes, saying the team behind the program deserves to be jailed.
Musk's dander was up after the long-running news magazine shared a promotion of their segment on the proposed slashing of federal funding for USAID.
Reporter Scott Pelley began the segment wondering how serious President Donald Trump is in defiance of the Constitution.
In a later clip, a Republican former administrator of the aid agency, you see how they play that game, denied Musk's claim of widespread waste.
60 Minutes are the biggest liars in the world.
They engaged in deliberate deception to interfere with the last election, he wrote.
They deserve a long prison sentence.
That was...
Elon Musk.
Now, the fascinating thing is, in this 60 Minutes show, they interviewed a woman, and actually, I should pull this tweet up, where they used presumptive language to make you believe she worked for USAID. They said this woman got fired in the recent chaos around USAID, when, in fact, she worked for, according to reports, I believe this was Mario Knopfel reporting, they actually...
I have the video from myself.
I don't want to pull one up.
They worked for a speechwriting company.
Actually, here's the easiest thing I can find.
Literally me from my morning show.
But I'll just pull up the tweet instead of having my own voice play.
So Mario Knopfel tweeted, 60 Minutes claimed Christina Dry was fired this month in the chaotic shutdown of USAID. What they didn't tell you, Christina wasn't a USAID employee.
She worked for XLA and Jefferson Partners.
Well, Mario, I'd go as far to say it's an outright lie.
They said...
bethany mandel
I think it's funny because they did that to portray her as the victim of Doge and everything, but it actually, in my Twitter circles, and obviously I live in a bubble, but it really infuriated people because it's like, oh, welcome to the real world and where you don't have total job security.
Like, welcome to the rest of us.
And I think about, like, the cheerleading that all of these leftists did during COVID about locking the government down for two straight freaking years.
And then all of a sudden, like, people need their jobs.
Like, where were you in 2020 and 2021 talking about livelihood?
shane cashman
Probably screaming defund everything.
phil labonte
Yeah, these people have no idea how the average person looks at them.
There was a tweet that I saw.
The other day, and I couldn't help but retweet it.
It was about this, I'm pretty sure.
They had no idea that the average person looks at the bureaucracy with complete contempt.
Only the most committed politicos and democrat operatives and activists defend these people.
Every other normal, right-thinking person hates the bureaucracy because they know that they're millionaires because they work for the government, even though they should only be making like $150,000 a year.
bethany mandel
If you look at the property values around Washington, D.C., it's bonkers.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's bonkers.
bethany mandel
It's like the 10 most rich counties in the country.
Nine of them are here.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Loudoun County is number one, highest median income.
But yeah, I think in the top 50 counties, the top 10 or it's like there's like 10 in the top 20 or something.
They're all surrounding D.C.
phil labonte
We were just talking about DCA, and I tend to go out that way a lot.
And if you go from here to DCA and you go straight through Langley, go right by CIA, there are some of the most palatial and opulent homes that I have ever seen in my life.
They're not rock stars.
They're not movie stars.
They're not doing anything that the average person is aware of.
They're lobbyists.
They're working for the government.
And when I say...
When I say opulent, I mean opulent.
Like, literally just, they look like palatial, they look like something you would imagine that royalty in England would be, some lord or lady would be living in.
It is absolutely offensive.
bethany mandel
There's a Twitter account that I've been, like...
Guilt following for the last couple days of all these houses that are going up for sale in the D.C. area and he's linking the house to the individual who owns it and just says their job.
It's nuts.
It's really nuts.
It's like $2.3 million lobbyists for this.
Because I drive through these neighborhoods and I'm like, what do these people do?
tim pool
Oh, you've driven through McLean?
bethany mandel
Hopefully we're in this area.
tim pool
This should be a tour.
Like, if you ever go to visit...
D.C., make sure you have time to get a nice tour bus through McLean so you can look at the capital city of the Hunger Games.
No question.
I mean, it's fascinating.
The Hunger Games series is a bit childish.
No disrespect, but it's not meant to be the most sophisticated.
But it's fascinating how the metaphor, the direct storyline is, there's all these districts, and they're from very poor to very rich, and the capital does nothing.
They literally just control everything and keep the district suppressed and enslave the main character's district to do coal mining or whatever.
It's basically Appalachia.
Yo, actually go to D.C. and you're like, ain't wrong.
These people are dressed in ridiculous clothing.
First of all, you know what I really hate about D.C.? Everybody just wears North Face.
And it's been that way for a long time.
You go to New York and everyone's got some weird fashion hipster thing going on.
They're probably wearing Supreme.
You go to D.C., it's all North Face.
That's their uniform or suits.
But you go to the areas out surrounding D.C., like Loudoun County, and it is modern-day nobility.
These are people who don't do anything.
They get government contracts that make no sense, and they're rich for the sake of being rich.
shane cashman
Do you think these people stay?
Are they fleeing the city?
Do they see it as an occupied city now?
tim pool
The reports are that they're fleeing, and it's all collapsing.
I do have that story pulled up.
We'll get more in-depth on it in a bit, though.
The core of our story now was that the media is still desperately trying to lie, and that's what 60 Minutes is doing, because the corporate press is an instrument of the establishment.
At this point, you know, someone super chatted that the Trump era follows Star Wars perfectly.
You know, Trump, a new hope Biden, the empire strikes back.
And now we're in the return of the orange man.
What comes next would be like the force awakens, I guess.
So it does.
But think about this.
It's interesting.
I think Star Wars is largely garbage at this point.
They destroyed the written canon.
They got rid of it all, and then Disney made a bunch of garbage.
But I digress.
Where Star Wars goes after Return of the Jedi is the remnants of the Empire form the First Order, which is this militant stateless entity that is still trying to regain control of the governments.
Kind of what they're doing.
I mean, Trump is crushed to the deep state.
He's got in their funding.
But the remnants are still trying to claw back to some degree some kind of power.
shane cashman
They're going to lash back.
I feel like they've receded.
Into the shadows.
tim pool
Yo, this is Trump's march to the sea, though, bro.
shane cashman
Oh, it feels like it, for sure.
tim pool
The USAID gutting, the IRS, all of these institutions getting their funding ripped to shreds.
He is destroying their ability to wage administrative war.
phil labonte
The Democrats are still trying to get their feet underneath them.
They're still in disarray.
And I think that as long as they are having this...
War in the Democrat Party, which they're going to have for a while because it's not clear what the Democrats are going to do.
Are the Democrats going to coalesce around the extreme far left who has been setting the tone for not just the Democrats but for the whole country for the past 10 years?
As long as there has been a demand for you to call a trans woman she, as opposed to saying he, as long as that has been a demand that people have had to actually comply with, that's how long the crazy far left has been in charge.
And totally in charge of the Democrat Party.
There are people in the Democrat Party that have now come out and said, this will continue to make us lose.
Because the average person does not believe this, they do not agree, and they've started to say, we reject this.
And as long as the average person, again, the not left, it doesn't have to be the right, it's just the not left, as long as you're trying to make the normal people that want to be left alone, as long as you're saying, you have to call a trans woman she?
Then they're going to reject it.
And the reason is because...
Every dude knows that at some point the demand will be you must date a trans woman or you're a bigot.
If you reject a trans, because that is a narrative that comes out of the trans community now.
And if they are in control, they will shove that down the average person's throat.
And no one wants that.
shane cashman
They just voted a trans man as a DNC chair.
phil labonte
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yes.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Lesbian women do not want penises.
That's absolutely true, and yet there are trans women that call themselves lesbians that say, oh, if you reject me, you're a bigot.
Straight men do not want penises, and there are trans women that say, if you will not date me, you're a bigot.
Those people have been in control of the narrative, and as long as they're in control of the narrative, the Democrats are not going to be able to convince the average person.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from CBS News.
Germany is prosecuting online trolls.
Here's how the country is fighting hate speech on the Internet.
Sure, here you go.
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It's 6.01 on a Tuesday morning.
And we were with state police as they raided this apartment in northwest Germany.
Inside, six armed officers searched a suspect's home, then seized his laptop and cell phone.
Prosecutors say those electronics may have been used to commit a crime.
The crime?
Posting a racist cartoon online.
At the exact same time across Germany, more than 50 similar raids played out.
Part of what prosecutors say is a coordinated effort to curb online hate speech in Germany.
tim pool
So I want to play this clip for you.
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It's illegal to display.
tim pool
Let me pull this here tweet in.
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A Nazi symbolism, a swastika, or deny the Holocaust.
bethany mandel
That's clear.
unidentified
Is it a crime to insult somebody in public?
Yes, it is.
And it's a crime to insult them online as well?
Yes.
The fine could be even higher if you insult someone in the Internet.
Why?
Because in the Internet, it stays there.
If we are talking face-to-face, you insult me, I insult you, okay, finish.
But in the Internet, if I insult you or a politician...
That sticks around forever.
Yeah.
The prosecutors explain German law also prohibits the spread of malicious gossip, violent threats, and fake quotes.
If somebody posts something that's not true...
And then somebody else reposts it or likes it.
Are they committing a crime?
In the case of reposting, it is a crime as well because the reader can't distinguish whether you just invented this or just reposted it.
That's the same for us.
The punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail time for repeat offenders.
But in most cases, a judge levies a stiff fine and sometimes keeps their devices.
How do people react when you take their phones from them?
They are shocked.
It's a kind of punishment if you lose your smartphone.
It's even worse than the fine you have to pay.
tim pool
D-Day 2, everybody.
It's time to reinvade Germany.
shane cashman
Sickening.
tim pool
I got one more for you because, sure, my friends, what is this segment, really?
We're telling you that Germany sucks?
It's about what they wanted to do to us.
In this tweet that I posted...
An individual on X who goes by conspiratorial templates.
And retweeted by Jess Margera, brother of Bam Margera.
You know him.
He's the drummer for a band called CKY. He's famous.
This man tweets, If we make this happen in America, the entire right side of the political spectrum will collapse within days.
When they tell you who they are, believe them.
phil labonte
So our bass player, the bass player of All That Remains, used to be in a band with that guy?
shane cashman
With Jess?
phil labonte
Yeah.
He was in CKY. He was in CKY? I love CKY though.
tim pool
Jess says he's not famous, and I'm like, bro, I know who you are.
shane cashman
I rock CKY all the time.
phil labonte
Yeah, well, he is a great person.
He is in no position.
tim pool
Oh, Jess has gone off the deep end.
phil labonte
He is in no position to be saying things like that.
He is in absolutely no position.
tim pool
Well, this is the thing.
shane cashman
Typical, like, male feminist type situation.
tim pool
So listen, listen.
They're saying...
It's a quote tweet.
60 Minutes says, posting or reposting false information in Germany can be a crime.
Jess Margera retweeting this.
So he locked his account.
I followed him for a while because I've been a CKY fan.
I can actually play some CKY songs.
I can play 96 Quite Bitter Beings, of course.
What 35-year-old, 30-40-year-old skateboarder doesn't know that song?
And he posts nothing but fake news all day.
Like, just...
Unhinged, weird, blue-anon conspiracy stuff.
They don't realize.
And this is the point.
We know how the liberals think.
They don't know how we think.
And I say the liberals.
I wouldn't consider...
I don't know.
I don't think Phil's a conservative.
I wouldn't consider myself a conservative, but certainly by today's standards, we are all as conservative as this country is on average, I suppose, because the far left is the antithesis of whatever America is.
shane cashman
I wonder if Jess has like a J-Sweet Charlie Hebdo post from 10 years ago, you know, because these Germans, the way they're talking, it's like a state-sanctioned approval of the attack on Charlie Hebdo, not to the violent degree, but they're so against offensive speech that they're willing to ruin your life.
phil labonte
Well, not only ruin your life, I mean they're willing to destroy their society.
bethany mandel
Mark Anderson on Joe Rogan was really chilling about why he ended up supporting Donald Trump, because he basically said, he was like, this was the election to save democracy.
And it was funny, one of my favorite anecdotes from election night was in Pennsylvania, they were doing exit polling of people who, and they asked, you know, why did you vote the way you did?
And they didn't say who they voted for, but the people who said...
I'm voting to save democracy.
All the Democrats that I follow on Twitter were like, yes, yes!
And then the exit poll, all the crosstabs came out, and the people who voted to save democracy voted for Donald Trump.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it was very clear to anyone that was, again, not ideologically captured by the left.
People that were just normal, that were politically marginally engaged.
That the things that the Democrats want were completely antithetical to anything that you would consider liberal, right?
So there's the colloquial liberalism that we call, that we use in the United States, which Rush Limbaugh ruined that word in the 90s, and it's confusing and a pain in the butt.
But the progressives in the United States have destroyed liberalism, and their...
They're no friend to liberal policies and by liberal I mean liberal in the classical sense.
They're no friend to free speech, clearly.
The freedom of speech is not something that they care about.
They obviously have, if they don't care about the freedom of speech, they definitely don't care about property rights.
And so property rights is something that I harp on because property rights are literally the foundation of your society.
If you do not have a government that protects property rights, then you don't have investment and you have a failed economy and you are just months away from famine and starvation.
shane cashman
The Democrats, before I left New York, the state.
Democrats were trying to pass a bill where they could take you out of your house, remove you if you are a health threat.
It didn't pass, and they've been trying to pass it for years.
unidentified
I don't remember.
tim pool
That was crazy because people didn't believe it was real.
There was a state law in New York that said that if you were at risk of infection, they could take you from your home by force and put you in an institution.
And it was so crazy that it sounded like it was fake.
And then it was like, actually, they've been trying to do that for a while.
phil labonte
At least the Chinese, like, they...
Weld your home shut.
At least you stay at home, right?
bethany mandel
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know?
bethany mandel
I mean, I didn't watch all of it, but J.D. Vance just gave a really great speech.
phil labonte
It was good, yeah.
bethany mandel
And it was, like, basically just a master class, and, like, this is what...
Normal civilization believes in, and this is the future of how we survive as a civilization, not just as a country.
I had a reporter come to my house a couple months ago from Germany, from one of these big German magazines, because she wanted to interview homeschool moms.
I homeschool my kids, and I have six of them, so I'm already the super weirdo for her.
And she just could not wrap her brain around it.
She's like, but how is this legal to have the freedom to do what you want?
phil labonte
That's remarkable.
bethany mandel
I spent two and a half hours with her.
I could not explain it.
tim pool
No, but just call her a Nazi.
I mean, I'm not joking.
I'd be like, what I would literally say to a person who said that to me, I'd say, well, I suppose as a Nazi, you probably don't understand the freedoms we have in this country and why we fought you guys.
And you'd be like, oh, I'm not a Nazi.
And be like, then I would act equally as stupid and confused.
But you don't believe in freedom, just like the Nazis.
And you think the government should control everything, just like the Nazis.
How are you not a Nazi?
And then she'd freak out.
shane cashman
It's like they have applied Nazism over there.
They just don't realize it's embedded itself into the culture.
tim pool
Yo, it is wild.
They're like, the way they laughed about seizing people's devices.
I'm just like, I hope, you know what, man?
I saw the rumor going around that Trump wants to get us out of NATO. And I'm like, man, I don't know.
Like, you know, maybe it's a big ask.
I don't know how heavy we want to be.
Make them pay their fair share.
Maybe get less aggressive.
NATO's fine to a certain degree.
Now I'm just like, after that, Germany's got to pay.
I don't accept them as a Western ally of ours.
I look at Saudi Arabia and we all grumble when we're doing oil deals with Saudi Arabia.
We don't praise them for their cultural beliefs and endeavors.
Germany, same thing.
Backwards.
These countries in Europe are backwards.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
shane cashman
They're going to take it over again.
phil labonte
That kind of culture.
They're going to be taken over by the left in their own country.
tim pool
They're going to be.
phil labonte
Well, yes, they have been taken over by the left in their own country, and that's part of what we were talking about earlier.
We live in a world that is steeped in leftism.
I tweeted this the other night.
Maybe the Berlin Wall was actually good.
tim pool
Seems like Germany won.
phil labonte
Rebuild the wall.
Rebuild the wall.
Maybe the Iron Curtain was good.
You know, because at least it wasn't infecting the rest of the world.
It seems that with the fall of communism actually just allowed it to seep into the rest of the West.
unidentified
Olaf Scholz, rebuild that wall!
tim pool
I did have to Google who the current chancellor of Germany was.
bethany mandel
I was really impressed with you just now.
I was like, I didn't know that name.
tim pool
I was like, after Angela Merkel, I got no idea what's happening in that country.
bethany mandel
I'm so glad.
tim pool
I know that Pop-Tarts are illegal.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Yeah, Pop-Tarts are illegal.
shane cashman
Too free?
tim pool
So, one of our skaters here at the Boonies is...
It could be Germany or Austria, I don't know.
But she was telling us how Pop-Tarts are illegal.
And then we all made the joke, like, you're slinging Pop-Tarts in an alley and you get caught.
No, like, they're not going to arrest you for it.
It's just not legal to sell at markets and stuff.
Or, like, because of the chemicals and the products that are in it.
shane cashman
Fair enough.
tim pool
And I was just like, that's it.
They've gone too far.
Took the Pop-Tarts off the shelves.
Look, there's a big question in that.
I mean, do we want to make Pop-Tarts illegal?
Or, I don't think anybody wants to make Pop-Tarts illegal.
We just want people to be better informed, and there's certain things that shouldn't be in them.
But there's a question there of, do we go the Bloomberg route where he said, poor people are too stupid, so we should decide for them what to eat?
Or do we just say, if you want to have a liter of cola and a quadruple Big Mac, do whatever you want?
The problem then is people just gorge themselves until they die and then demand free healthcare.
So it's like a double-edged sword.
Which one do you do?
bethany mandel
So I think the Fruity Pebbles, I think it was Fruit Loops.
What was the New York Times hit piece on?
tim pool
It was Fruit Loops.
bethany mandel
It was Fruit Loops against RFK. They're like, he complains so unnecessarily.
And then they gave the example of Fruit Loops in Canada versus here.
And I'm like, well, I just want Canadian Fruit Loops now.
tim pool
Well, because Canadian Fruit Loops are colored with carrot and blueberries and beets.
American Froot Loops are like, insert word you can't pronounce here.
shane cashman
Fentanyl?
bethany mandel
That's all I wanted.
And it's frustrating, actually, as a parent, because they throttle formula so that the only good formula that you can get for a baby is from Europe, and they don't allow you to import it.
shane cashman
We were smuggling some in.
bethany mandel
I know.
phil labonte
How do you get it?
bethany mandel
You have to smuggle it.
phil labonte
How do you smuggle it?
Go there and get in?
shane cashman
Yeah, I know people who know people.
bethany mandel
Well, you have to order from European companies who will just send it in an unmarked box.
It's really crazy.
shane cashman
How do you notice, though, that some of those really good brands were bought by bigger corporations and the ingredients changed?
So the ones you thought were good are now bad?
It's so messed up.
bethany mandel
It's so messed up.
And we were facing this during...
I've always breastfed my kids, so I've mostly been able to avoid it, thank God.
We saw this during the formula crisis where people were trying to get formula from Europe because we didn't have any in America.
And they're like, no, you can't import formula from Europe because we don't know it's safe.
And it's like, well, but you don't have any on the shelf here.
tim pool
You know what's crazy, though, is like human civilization used to have wet nurses.
Like if the mother didn't have enough food for the baby, you just ask a different mother who had too much food for her baby.
But that's like unthinkable these days.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Human civilization is mechanizing to the point where...
shane cashman
During the shortage, the formula shortage, I did know moms who were sharing breast milk.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
But that's, I mean, that can be dangerous, though, because, like, if you have an infection, if you have a virus, I... Sure.
Personally, I would do formula over some unknown woman's milk.
tim pool
But think about what formula is.
Like, you're literally concocting a formula to give baby.
shane cashman
Yeah, there's a lot of bad stuff in the formula in this country.
bethany mandel
Yeah, it's really bad.
shane cashman
Not surprising.
tim pool
It was crazy to me when that happened, because I did not know this, where it was just like, yeah, some moms don't have milk, so they need formula, and I'm like, they need a chemical concoction of nutrient-dense sludge to give the baby?
How did humans survive for hundreds of thousands of years?
shane cashman
When my grandma gave birth to my mom in the late 50s, a doctor went around the hospital and gave every woman a pill to dry up their milk.
bethany mandel
What?
shane cashman
Promoted formula.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
shane cashman
So there's a whole generation of people raised on formula and not breast milk because they said it was kind of like a poor thing to do.
That's how they sold it.
That was propaganda.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
So on my podcast, I do the mom wars with a British woman named Cara Kennedy.
And she said still in Europe, people still do the formula.
And she said on the podcast last night, she's like, that's not what we do from where I'm from.
And I was like, really?
I thought that was wild.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's crazy.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from the post-millennial.
David Hogg under fire from fellow Democrats for using DNC contact list to fundraise for personal PAC. Oops.
David, it's not been two weeks and you're already embroiled in a corruption scandal.
I am impressed.
I was saying all morning, this guy, I love David Hogg.
He's got cojones.
shane cashman
Let's get him for president.
tim pool
Let me tell you, he makes Joe Biden look like a baby kitten.
Well, I mean, maybe that's his old age and his inability to walk or open his eyes.
But David Hogg gets in the DNC as vice chair.
First thing he does is he goes to their DNC contact list and sends all of those people a request for money for himself personally, for his personal political action.
I'm so impressed by his gall.
bethany mandel
It's chutzpah.
tim pool
Yeah, it really is impressive.
And I'm equally as excited about this because the damage she is doing to the Democrat brand is insurmountable.
At this pace, we're going to win the midterms.
bethany mandel
It's not just the brand.
It's also he's decided to enrich himself over promoting the DNC. And I support him wholeheartedly.
tim pool
Me too.
Look, let me say this.
There are two battleships on the great ocean of politics.
There is the elephant and there is the jackass.
And David Hogg is on his ship as we watch it sinking, and we're like, me oh my, the Democrat ship is sinking.
Heavens, what's happening?
A bunch of people are boarding it.
We see this little dinghy jump on, and we're like, perhaps they'll begin repairs.
So we start telling all of our troops, get ready, because in 18 months, we are going to have a midterm battle, your life, and then we look over, and the ship with David Hogg is just looting everything.
And we're like, wait, the fires aren't being put out.
They're looting what's left.
I think we're good.
shane cashman
David Hogg is doing what the Democrats do best, build a platform out of dead children and profit off of it.
tim pool
He's looting the corpse of the DNC. That's all they do.
shane cashman
All they do.
tim pool
They're mad at him.
I feel bad for Cameron Caskey because he's been all right.
You know, he's another one of these kids who came out of the apartment thing.
He says, quote, I mean, it's just very frustrating to be in a party in desperate need of increased accountability for our struggling leadership and watch someone who has never held accountable ascend to leadership.
bethany mandel
And also, can I just be petty for a moment?
unidentified
Yes.
bethany mandel
Who was also a Stoneman Douglas survivor?
Cameron actually was a Stoneman Douglas survivor, and...
David Hogg wasn't.
phil labonte
Yeah, David Hogg, he just went there.
He wasn't there that day.
tim pool
Well, no, I believe he was there early and left.
phil labonte
He was not there when the actual shooting was.
tim pool
I believe, I could be wrong, maybe you're right, but my understanding was he was nowhere near where the shooting took place, but he was at school.
bethany mandel
He was in another building.
tim pool
He was in a different building.
He went home, and then when he heard that the press was doing interviews, he jumped on his bike and rode as fast as he could to the school to give interviews.
shane cashman
This is my golden ticket.
tim pool
He injected himself into it.
But come on, I just want to say it again.
Like, the Democratic Party is on fire, and they're screaming, help us, help us.
And David Hall goes, I'll save you, runs in, grabs a bunch of money, and runs out the door.
And they're just like, where's he going?
bethany mandel
It's on brand.
This is how he ascended to where he is now.
So I think he's great, and I think that he's a wonderful future for the Democratic Party.
shane cashman
I hope it helps his pillow sales.
tim pool
What if he's been a Republican the whole time?
And he's like, yeah.
He's a good plant.
I am going to cause so much damage to the Democrat brand, Republicans will win for the next ten elections.
shane cashman
That'd be sick.
tim pool
Because, I mean, come on, like, look at what he's doing.
bethany mandel
Yeah, he's a good person.
tim pool
No sane person thinks that guy's a Democrat.
He may not be a Republican, but he's not a Democrat.
He's like a con man, you know what I mean?
He's just, he's just selling the grift.
phil labonte
He is definitely a con man.
shane cashman
Yeah.
He doesn't eat- Like a test tube version of Beto O'Rourke.
tim pool
He's built in a lab, and they're like, he will be able to grift and destroy the Democrats once and by Republicans.
phil labonte
Test tube version of Beto O'Rourke.
tim pool
The Koch brothers had been incubating him for some time, ready to unleash him as a sleeper agent against the DNC. Took all the worst things about Beto and put into one person.
shane cashman
Prodense it to that, yeah.
phil labonte
I'm not a fan of David Hogg.
I think that he's terrible.
I think that the Democrats got what they deserved by him being the vice chair of the DNC. Who was the last vice chair?
Who did he replace?
tim pool
Didn't they do three vice chair or whatever?
I thought the story was that they agreed there had to be a woman, a person of color.
Was that what it was?
phil labonte
I hope you're right because that just...
shane cashman
It does sound right.
phil labonte
That's just perfect.
tim pool
I could be wrong about that.
shane cashman
If it wasn't for this, it was for another thing they had, where they needed to have everyone represented.
tim pool
Yeah, okay, no, there are several vice chairs.
The current chair is Ken Martin, and then vice chair is Raina Walters-Morgan, Malcolm Kenyatta, Artie Blanco, and David Hogg.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So, yeah.
Well, there you go.
phil labonte
He's bad.
tim pool
Deputy chairs.
phil labonte
It's really, really bad.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
Look how far back in time you can go.
Look at all these different chairs of the Democratic Party.
shane cashman
Look at the de-evolution to David Hogg.
Can we do that?
tim pool
The de-evolution.
shane cashman
The vice chair's de-evolution down to Tim Kaine.
bethany mandel
Tim Kaine.
tim pool
There's Donna Brazile.
Everyone was very excited about that.
phil labonte
Ken Martin.
tim pool
Ken Martin.
Good luck, sir.
unidentified
You got a lot cut out for you.
bethany mandel
He's a white man, though.
tim pool
Robert McClain.
They had a lot of slave owners.
shane cashman
Sick haircuts.
tim pool
Yeah, back in the day.
bethany mandel
I can't believe they have a white man at the top.
That's really very shameful.
They should definitely fix that right away.
phil labonte
I don't want them to fix anything.
shane cashman
The blackface?
phil labonte
I think it's awesome.
tim pool
I want to find the story about how they...
Someone told me that they had a requirement that...
bethany mandel
That sounds familiar now.
tim pool
Yeah, it was like there has to be a different...
It has to be diversity or whatever.
bethany mandel
I think I mentioned that.
Again, it's something that I really support.
phil labonte
I think it had to do with who you could vote for.
You couldn't vote for all the same gender.
You had to vote for...
tim pool
Oh, is that what it was?
phil labonte
I think.
And I don't have any...
I don't remember exactly where I saw it.
I think I heard it on a podcast or something like that, so I don't...
tim pool
I mean, maybe they were joking.
shane cashman
They were trying to do the laws, and then she even messed up the laws while she was talking about the gender stuff.
tim pool
Is that what it was?
shane cashman
A week or two ago, yeah.
I forget what it was.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
But again, this goes back to what I was saying earlier.
The Democrats need to decide what they want.
Are they the party of the working class?
Or are they the party of the extremely poor and extremely rich?
The party they are now is we're the party of the extremely rich and we will dole out money via the government to the very poor.
tim pool
I gotta be honest.
The Democratic Party...
You know, in 2015, Vox.com said it was the party of the wealthy.
Yeah.
Today, the Democratic Party is the party of low-functioning...
unidentified
I guess, amoral cultists.
tim pool
Like, they don't represent wealth.
They don't represent the working class.
They just represent people who have no cognitive function.
bethany mandel
I mean, I think it's just low information.
I was liberal until I started reading books.
phil labonte
What kind of liberal?
bethany mandel
I mean, Howard Dean, like...
phil labonte
Okay.
bethany mandel
Marching.
Yeah.
I would go to the protests outside of Fox News.
This is what democracy is.
phil labonte
Oh, earthy, crunchy liberal.
Oh, wow.
bethany mandel
And then it turned out it was really nice.
Now there is that movement on the right.
So I didn't even have to go that far.
phil labonte
That's hilarious, isn't it?
But I think that speaks to the idea that the...
The left is the party of the rich, the champagne socialist, and the party of the working class.
What?
tim pool
No, I don't think they do.
shane cashman
You don't think so?
tim pool
No, I don't think so.
shane cashman
I think these people think they are, like David Hogg.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Hogg knows exactly what's going on.
Come on.
He ran in full speed and ran out cash.
He's not playing any games.
Do you guys remember the battle in Seattle?
Let me pick this one up.
Yup, it was...
phil labonte
Hilarious.
tim pool
The battle in Seattle.
bethany mandel
Was it the World Bank thing?
tim pool
That's the movie.
We don't want the movie.
So it was the 1999 World Trade Organization protests.
shane cashman
For sure, yeah.
tim pool
So in 1999, leftists staged a massive protest in Seattle to protest against free trade in the World Trade Organization.
Come 16 years later, Donald Trump representing much of these same ideas was considered far-right and lambasted by many of the veterans of the WTO protests.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
Noah Rothman, my husband works for Commentary Magazine, and Noah Rothman just wrote, like, it was basically a book in Commentary Magazine, but he wrote about sort of the basis of all of these left-wing violence movements, and he, this was...
This was his jumping off point.
tim pool
The anti-globalization movement.
shane cashman
That's right.
tim pool
And take a look at this image that they use for the anti-globalization movement.
There's a guy with the anarchist A. These are clearly not.
It's anarchism in the United States.
How is it that in 1999, the police were pepper-spraying anti-globalists?
shane cashman
This was like an Alex Jones movement.
tim pool
And then Donald Trump comes in.
He's like, I agree with the left on all of this.
phil labonte
He's far right.
tim pool
We're for the government now.
OK, well, the left is just whatever the right isn't, I guess.
phil labonte
I do strongly believe that this is the result of the end of the Smith Modernization Act.
And we hear I didn't know.
tim pool
I disagree with that.
phil labonte
You think so?
tim pool
Yeah, because no one's ever articulated what exactly happened that resulted in this shift from government.
phil labonte
U.S. Well, what do you mean?
What do you mean?
tim pool
Barack Obama, so there was a law banning propaganda against the U.S. people.
It ends.
What then happened that converted people from left to right?
phil labonte
Well, I think that the media used to lean to the left, and I think that the media became staunchly the mouthpiece for the left, and I think that a large...
tim pool
After the end of Smith modernization, what year was that?
phil labonte
That was 2012, I think.
tim pool
So when the CIA was running Mockingbird and directly paying journalists to write the news to support the machine state, that wasn't?
phil labonte
That was good, but they were targeting the right back then.
Or they were targeting the left back then.
The whole operation...
tim pool
But again, my point is...
We know for a fact that the CIA intelligence agencies had long infiltrated the media.
I can tell you for a fact that in 2013, State Department had been calling news organizations and well before I worked for some of these companies.
phil labonte
2013, you said, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
So, in 2013...
I learned from executives at some companies that they had long been in communication with the State Department as to what stories they were covering, what they were learning, and how they could assist the U.S. government in this regard.
People like to say, Obama made propaganda legal.
Nothing changed.
The deep state and the powerful interests were always controlling the media.
There was always the machine.
phil labonte
I don't think that it was.
I think that it became more concerted.
I don't think that it was as...
Because there was, and the reason I say that is because there was a more varied opinion on the news.
You had, once, when CNN kind of came on, CNN used to be fairly middle of the road.
You had Fox News and CNN, which were center and right-leaning, until...
Kind of the end of the aughts when MSNBC kind of stopped being middle of the road.
Because I used to watch MSNBC during most of the aughts when Joe Scarborough was still acting like a Republican.
When he had Scarborough Country in the evening.
That was his evening show.
When Dan Abrams had his legal analysis show in the evening.
And they were not a uniform voice.
tim pool
But there is still...
There is still no evidence the U.S. government, after the change of this law, took action to make those changes.
phil labonte
There may be no hard evidence, but I think that the evidence is the way that all of the news agencies coalesced around the left.
tim pool
There is hard evidence that news agencies coalesced around the left when Facebook, X, and other platforms started shifting their algorithm to promote hate because liberal women share more hateful content than any other demographic.
phil labonte
That happened in 2007, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. Even on MSNBC, like I said, I used to watch MSNBC all the time.
I stopped watching it.
tim pool
And so, again, the point is, I hear this cited all the time.
The Smith Modernization Act, they changed it.
This allowed Voice of America and other American media outlets that operated externally to now broadcast those same websites and radio shows internally as well.
That's all it did.
The insinuation that somehow...
They then started propagandizing through the media.
There's no direct evidence that anything changed, considering we know Mockingbird was happening going back to, what, the 60s?
I think earlier than that.
We had the Office of Censorship.
We sell a T-shirt on the Tim Castor from almost 10 years ago, which has the—it's the Illuminati Pyramid toppled with the slogan of the U.S. Office of Censorship on the bottom but flipped over.
This is World War II. After that, we had intelligence infiltration into the media to determine what people could be talking about and whatnot.
That was always in play and it never changed.
phil labonte
Mockingbird was in the 60s, though.
Your argument is that...
tim pool
My argument is that the government has always used intelligence agencies to control journalism in this country to be pro-machine, pro-establishment.
shane cashman
Like we just call USAID funding.
tim pool
The 2012, well, I mean, that was minimal.
That was 44,000.
The 2012 change in the law did not affect what they were already doing some 50 years prior.
phil labonte
So, if I understand correctly, Mockingbird ended.
Put that in quotes, Phil.
Mockingbird didn't end.
There's no evidence that Mockingbird didn't end.
It says in the Wikipedia, you can go to the Wikipedia thing, and this is the only place that I can find evidence.
shane cashman
Most of those things just rebrand under different names.
phil labonte
But again, if Tim is talking about evidence, there's no evidence that it rebranded.
shane cashman
I would say a lot of the problem that we're all seeing in the news is that the university is pumped out.
Ideologues.
phil labonte
100%.
I agree with that.
shane cashman
They coalesced around a certain idea.
And that's what also degraded the audience who's also coming out of the universities.
phil labonte
I agree 100%.
tim pool
We don't have it pulled up, but the story was, I think, 10 years ago.
There was a journalist who was caught with a bunch of fake articles, and the CIA had written articles for him and published them under his byline.
That was like a huge story that came out.
My point is, when we're asking how it is, If you want to make the argument that powerful global interests, governments or otherwise, were trying to influence the public, the easy answer is they went to Facebook and said, you will alter the algorithm for content delivery to promote these ideas.
I believe that's probably true, but I can tell you for a fact.
We know, as I have done, I work in this industry, liberal women share the most content on social media, and the content they share most is things that induce rage.
This was well known at the onset of social media.
And so in the early days of Facebook, they were trying to figure out how to keep people on the platform longer.
So they wanted to promote content that was more likely to get shared.
So this created, it's a parabolic curve of sharing.
The more shares it gets, the more likely the algorithm will display it, meaning it'll get exponentially more shares, and that's how you get the virality of Facebook.
They began to prioritize whatever it is and whether it was intentional or otherwise.
Facebook just said, if it gets a lot of shares, show it to more people, it'll keep them on the platform longer.
It'll generate more activity, more engagement.
The concern was, around the time that people started liking and friending at least 300 people, the reverse chronological feed was moving much too quickly for them to see anything relevant.
So if they refreshed the page, they'd get a guy saying, you know, my car won't start.
Who cares?
So they said, okay.
Algorithmic prioritization to only show the best stuff.
This is when we started seeing people post things like, I just had a baby and I'm married.
And then underneath it they would write, that's not true actually.
We're having a pizza party.
Y'all should come.
I only wrote that because that way Facebook would show it to you.
Because they knew these are the things that Facebook would promote.
BuzzFeed.
Huffington Post, Mike.com, all of these websites started shifting their strategy towards content that was more likely to get shared, and the content that's most likely to get shared is anything that targets angry liberal women.
So the example I love to cite is Mike.com in the early 2010s was a Ron Paul libertarian freedom-loving website because that was the Ron Paul revolution on social media.
Everybody was sharing this stuff, but it didn't share better than things that make liberal women angry.
And so what happens is, You get two writers for one website.
One guy writes, Ron Paul's great, Freedom and the Fed.
And it gets a thousand shares.
Because people were like, hey, look at this.
Then you get one article that says police brutality.
It was in line.
With the Ron Paul Freedom anti-government messaging that was going around.
Cops are also bad.
Hence, if you look at Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones back then, they had a ton of videos about police brutality because it was in line with anti-government freedom stuff.
These are agents of the government beating people.
So what ends up happening then?
These news websites like Mike.com start sharing freedom, liberty, and police brutality.
But guess what?
Liberal women share police brutality videos like crazy.
So then this started shifting the focus.
Hey, we make more money if we do police brutality videos.
Then someone discovered something.
When the police brutality was about racism, it got even more shares.
So what they discovered was that with the Facebook algorithm, if you share police brutality, you get X views.
If you share racism, you get Y views.
When you write about racist police brutality, you didn't get X plus Y views.
You got X times Y views because the parabolic growth curve of the algorithm, the more shares it got, the more suggestions that were made, the more shares it would get.
Then you can see in the LexisNexis data, as soon as this was implemented, Every newspaper skyrocketed with mentions of systemic racism, white privilege, etc.
Angry liberal women share more than anybody else.
So in 2014, when I joined Fusion, I talked to their marketing guy and he outright said, when we make content, we know that we're going to get more shares and more views and make more money if we make it targeting angry liberal women.
And I said, but then all your content is going to be like...
For angry liberal women.
And they were like, well, we try to balance it out for the website after they come.
And so this is what started to shift what was acceptable.
Advertisers didn't want to be associated with what they thought was socially unacceptable.
But the only articles that were coming out were racism, racism, racism.
Ultimately exemplified itself so well in a viral article, I think it was from Vice, and it was like, black trans women of color fighting against police brutality exemplify the end of cis-heteronormative patriarchy.
They tried jamming every single buzzword into one article because Facebook was going to blast it off and they're going to make a ton of money.
And then along came Mark Zuckerberg, who said, we're banning politics.
And then it just ended that era.
And maybe that was the right thing to do.
I don't know.
bethany mandel
Well, didn't a lot of conservative sites also do very well?
Daily Wire.
Yeah, Daily Wire launched itself and ended too.
tim pool
So what ended up happening was Daily Wire was massive.
They were the biggest distributor.
But it's because the corporate press was largely just following venture capital funding and what was easiest – So when NBC was looking for content, they said, look, we're an urban liberal market.
We're moderate.
We don't want hardcore conservative stuff like Fox News.
Let's invest in, you know, insert MediaBlog.
MediaBlog starts going further and further left, brings on more and more young people.
You know, I had this argument, and I have it a lot, where people are like, it's the universities that did it.
Incorrect.
Gets on Facebook in, you know, 2007. Maybe they're not supposed to be.
It was supposed to be 13-0, but they do.
Facebook keeps sharing police brutality videos with that 10-year-old kid.
That kid grows up with nothing but police brutality videos slamming their feed for a decade.
They're now 20 years old, screaming and bashing their faces on the wall about how millions of black people are being murdered every year.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
I mean, bro, if you turned on the TV and every channel was about police brutality and beating of black people, You, in your mind, would be like, man, it never ends.
But the reality was Facebook was forcing that down your throat.
So it shaped the minds of all of these young people.
They enter the workforce.
They live in this fractured reality, and that's what they believe.
For sites like The Daily Wire, they struggled against Jack Dorsey being the best example of how he hooked the sewage pipe of his own company into his mouth and drank it and guzzled it and gargled it and loved it.
The free speech wing of the free speech party, twitter.com.
And then what happened?
When his own algorithmic trend started promoting this psychotic garbage, he hooked it right into his brain and consumed it and adopted that worldview and then banned free speech.
He ate the refuse of the psychotic algorithm he built.
So my argument for AI and where we're going is that...
In the next 50 years, everyone's going to be dressed.
The clothing will be corn on the cob.
Everyone will be walking around in corn on the cob costumes.
Cars will be largely made of corn plastics and look like corn.
People will go to the restaurant and order various types of corn.
I'm kidding.
My point is, the AI is going to look to maximize engagement.
And we subsidize corn like nobody's business.
The AI can't discern why we're eating so much corn.
It will simply say, if...
The goal of the AIs is every time it delivers a response the user likes, follow that route.
If Americans are predisposed towards these subsidized programs, the AI doesn't care what we need or want.
It only cares what we'll deliver.
So my joke is, not that I actually think it'll be corn, it will overly obsess with corn because it has no...
For a human being, we don't want to eat ice cream 24-7.
But ice cream's pretty dang good.
If you ask a robot, I would like food, and it offered you on the spot while you were hungry, apple pie, ice cream, or broccoli salad, people are going to be like, I'll take the ice cream.
I don't want the broccoli salad.
The AI doesn't care about what we need or want.
It simply says, human positive reaction ice cream.
And it's going to chase after those things until our brains turn to jello.
That's basically what happened in the early era of social media.
Long story short, that's why I don't think...
The government just decided one day to turn on propaganda and tell all the corporate press is what they're going to do, mostly because they already had been doing that.
But now here we are on the back end of it.
I think we're winning.
So I do.
I am rather optimistic that moving forward, that stuff's going to fail.
I still think obviously the deep state is deeply entrenched in media.
That's why MSNBC and CNN hire a whole bunch of former intel guys to be their pundits.
But Trump is gutting and eviscerating the deep state.
So we're probably good.
shane cashman
Feels good.
I do worry about these David Hogg types.
I don't worry because I want them to destroy themselves, but I worry about that's what they're going to keep promoting.
So there's just going to be an ever-widening fracture of civilization.
And those people will inherit the metaverse and, I guess, just rot away in the digital universe.
Oh, bro.
What do we do with that?
Are they going to just do that in the 15-minute cities and print out a suicide pod?
tim pool
No, I don't think suicide pods will be a thing.
shane cashman
You don't think so?
tim pool
So did you hear the story?
So there was that suicide pod they made, I think it was in Switzerland or where was it?
shane cashman
I think it was in Switzerland, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, but guess what?
You know what the story was?
They strangled the one to death because the pod didn't work.
shane cashman
I mean, imagine that customer service.
tim pool
Okay, long story short, a woman was like, I don't want to be alive anymore.
We have this pod you can go in and it will put you to sleep.
It failed, so the...
They found the woman with her.
She was strangled to death.
So they think the guy who made it, she came in.
It didn't work.
So he opened it and just choked her out.
bethany mandel
Is this a story I saw in the free press?
Is that...
shane cashman
I don't know if they wrote about it.
bethany mandel
I didn't see the strangle part.
tim pool
Yeah, like, so they...
The first story was she successfully completed her medical assistance in dying.
Then after the investigation concluded, they were like, no, she had strangulation marks on her neck.
phil labonte
My god.
Yeah.
bethany mandel
It's all so dystopian.
phil labonte
Couldn't they just up the nitrogen level and bring the oxygen down?
tim pool
Isn't it obvious?
The pod was never real.
They were like, why spend millions of dollars making a machine when the person can just come in and they can manually...
They're like, we don't need chemicals or gas or chambers.
shane cashman
They're just researching how to do it without the marks.
tim pool
Right.
phil labonte
Oh, man.
bethany mandel
Well, we can't figure out how to execute people in this country.
They can't do it.
tim pool
Didn't they bring back the firing squad?
bethany mandel
I think they were trying to do it chemically and they kept on messing up all of the chemicals.
phil labonte
If I understand correctly, the drug company that made the sodium, not sodium penthanol, that was a...
bethany mandel
Something.
phil labonte
Something.
But they were like, we don't want to make this for you anymore.
They didn't want to make the drug.
tim pool
I honestly think it's really silly and weird.
Because they do a three chemical injection and then they have like all of these convoluted means of just like you could deoxygenate the room.
I mean like I don't understand why it has to be so convoluted.
For one, I oppose the death penalty because I don't trust the state.
That doesn't mean that...
People never take actions that warrant them having to face.
phil labonte
Just because I don't want the government doing it doesn't mean there aren't plenty of people that deserve it.
tim pool
Well, in all clarification, this is important to distinguish.
Some people are engaged in imminent harm, in actions that will cause imminent bodily harm or death of others.
We recognize as a human being, self-defense and defense of others, you are warranted to use force.
I strongly recommend anybody listening, talk to a lawyer.
I don't want anybody to die.
Even violent criminals.
I want life to survive, and I wish there was rehabilitation.
That being said, when it comes to the death penalty, it all is just awfully convoluted.
But we are going to go to Super Chats in a second, so I just wanted to say one more thing.
It is inevitable that the left is going to plug their brains into the Neuralink by choice.
I think that...
I'm not a conservative.
I know conservatives are going to disagree with me on this one.
I have no problem with Elon Musk developing Neuralink and us going to our liberal friends and saying, I will pay for the Neuralink for you.
You will be a wizard king who fights dragons every day.
You won't have to work your job.
You'll be surrounded by beautiful busty maidens who want to be the wizard king's wife.
Or you'll be a secret agent.
I don't know.
shane cashman
You lost in that maidens.
tim pool
Sure, or...
What's the...
shane cashman
Oh, they want trolls or something.
tim pool
Whatever they want.
The point is, liberals want, many of them, not all of them, but enough of them, would gladly plug in their brains to the Matrix, where they get to be the president, the king, a superhero, and then they can leave the earth and all of its beauty to us to maintain, and I am okay with that deal.
Conservatives will absolutely reject the Neuralink.
They will continue to raise families and be good stewards of the earth, and the liberals will be like, you guys are dumb.
Plug their brains in, go in the pod, and we don't have to worry about them voting and destroying everything anymore.
shane cashman
I'm starting to think there's probably conservatives who will do the Neuralink.
And they're so anti-trans now, but they'll be transhumanists in like 10 years.
tim pool
Well, the joke that...
I mean, basically everybody made, like I think Seamus made it, is that in 50 years, the Democrats are, it's going to be an AI, and the Republicans are transgender communists.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they're like, we don't want the AI. Okay, we got to go to Super Chats.
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Also, I got to shout it out.
The Green Room episode just went live with Chad Hall of Snake Farm Skateboards, Phil Labonte, and Chuck!
And you guys had a pretty fun conversation.
You were talking about some wild stuff.
Human growth hormone.
phil labonte
A lot of interesting stuff.
We were talking about bodybuilders and lifting, and we were talking about Chad's time as a combat controller.
The point-and-click stuff that he did.
tim pool
Uncensored.
Uncensored.
You go watch it.
It's really great because Chad's a rad dude.
He skateboards.
He's also...
He's a warrior.
This man is a warrior.
He's a massive dude, and he served overseas, and he works in the government today.
And we were skating, and I was talking to him about...
I forgot what came up.
We were talking about...
We had an event, and he mentioned that...
He showed up one day and he saw Phil was here and he was like, oh man, I'm a huge All That Remains fan.
And he mentioned that when he was in Afghanistan, he and the boys were blasting All That Remains on their way to combat missions or something to this effect.
And I was like, wait, say no more.
You guys got to sit down and have a conversation because that would be really interesting.
phil labonte
He's a good dude.
And that's a really big, big compliment.
Dudes like that that are like, yo man.
Your music really kind of got me through some hard times.
It really got us really pumped up to go outside the wire and stuff like that.
It's epic.
It's pretty cool to be able to give people that kind of confidence or help the people that have that kind of confidence get ready to go out and do some of the most dangerous stuff that they ever do.
tim pool
So that video is up at rumble.com slash timcast IRL premium only.
So sign up now, but let's grab your Super Chats.
All right, where are we at?
phil labonte
Where are we at?
tim pool
I'm not your buddy guy says this story is helping no one and only benefits the deep state in creating a rift.
Single moms aren't good for society, but we can't lose focus when we are over the targets.
We may actually win this.
Yeah, you know, to be completely honest, when the story broke, I was like, I ain't talking about that.
You know, it's just like having babies and this Elon stuff is like TMZ level.
I know.
And then as the story ruminated, as I've loved using that word as of late, over the weekend, and then today with more information dropping, and it looks more so like there's actually a bigger scandal here, I think there's a cultural question about what the right is willing to accept, and hashing that out, I think, was important.
And I'm like, man, this story's popping up like crazy.
Let's roll with it.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I probably would have preferred to roll with the airplane story.
Going back, but I just felt like it was culturally massive.
bethany mandel
Yeah, I mean, I think that it is an important conversation that we need to have in the framework of, like, we have a birth crisis.
And I think there's two paths that we're seeing as conservatives, the J.D. Vance path and the Elon Musk path.
I'm a big fan of J.D. Vance's path.
He's walking through every single engagement, carrying his kids.
He's an engaged dad.
He was raised by a single mother.
So you don't have to be anti-single mom because we have a wonderful vice president thanks to, well, not really thanks to his single mom, really thanks to his grandmother.
But we need to make a decision as a society.
Like, how are we going to save ourselves?
And it's the J.D. Vance way.
tim pool
You know, we did a culture war episode with Candace Horbach and Myron Gaines, and it was about adult content and society and what it was doing.
And of course, relationships and marriage were a big component of this.
And Myron was saying, don't get married because, you know, with the state, because it's broken and it's bad for you.
But he did say having a kid out of wedlock is an L, and I respect that.
The problem is then, though, like, so, well, you can't get married.
I mean, pick one.
Like, what do we do?
I think the issue is there are a lot of these guys out there.
That are like, men shouldn't get married, and men should sleep around, and men should have babies with as many women as possible, because that's what an alpha would do.
And I'm like, no, that's what a chimp does.
I'm not being a dick.
I'm like, that's literally how chimps society works.
bethany mandel
But also, if you want to have more sex as a man, you will have that sex if you're married.
Like, statistically, you are more likely to get laid if you're married.
I can text someone in my house.
It really does not get better than that.
tim pool
I just think ultimately, you know, another thing that Myron pointed out was that men shouldn't cry in front of their women.
And I was like, you know, in my view, a man who is worried about how he appears in front of women is weaker than a man who doesn't care at all.
And I'm like, like, obviously, we can all agree that if a man is weeping.
Over something inane?
bethany mandel
And like habitually.
Right.
I've seen my husband cry like I can count it on my hand.
tim pool
Yeah.
bethany mandel
But if he was doing it a lot, it's kind of a turn off.
tim pool
Well, Candace mentioned if you're having relationship issues and the man starts crying, it's like, okay, this is done.
Or like I said, if a guy gets yelled at at work by his boss and he comes home crying, like, yeah, no.
But Myron was saying like, no, never.
No crying for any reason.
And I'm like, he said it makes you look weak.
It's weakness.
And my response was, Imagine walking up to a man who is standing over his dog who had just died that he had for 13 years.
And as he is crying, you say, you shouldn't cry in front of your wife.
You look weak.
I strongly recommend you don't do that.
shane cashman
That's ridiculous.
I tear up every time my kids are born.
tim pool
What do you think a man would do as he's looking at his dog he had for 13 years die and someone said, you look weak in front of your wife?
Do not give a man in that much pain an excuse to be violent.
I'm like, bro, there are circumstances.
Where the strongest men alive will cry, like watching their son die.
And Lord help you if you call him weak to his face in that moment because he might rip your esophagus out and beat you to death with it.
shane cashman
I'm tired of childless men telling other men what it means to be strong.
tim pool
Yeah.
And the other thing, too, is about marriage.
I was like, this idea of, like, you shouldn't get married because women are all bad.
And I'm like, that just sounds so childish and weak.
Strong men throw themselves onto grenades and rush into burning buildings.
You know, I was talking about this on the morning show.
There's a story somewhat went viral.
Like 11 million views of a rooster that fought a red-tailed hawk.
And then the person ran out with a shovel and the hawk flew away and the rooster gargled and then succumbed to his injuries.
And it got 11 million views because humans are saluting that rooster for sacrificing himself to save the women.
And I'm like...
There are guys out there that think they're tough being like, huh, I have no duty or responsibilities.
I refuse to take any risks in this degenerate society.
And I'm like, men aren't supposed to live risk-free.
If the fear is that, like, the laws favor women, yes, you will run into a burning building.
The risk does not favor you in that regard.
You might die.
And strong men do it every day.
A man who is going to raise a family, as families are required to raise strong human beings, needs to be married and raise that family and be there for their children.
And then these guys come out and they say, yeah, but what if she divorces you?
I'll be like, and what if an eye beam crushes my skull when I run into a burning building?
Bad things will likely happen to me.
I'm a man.
I accept that.
I do my duty.
shane cashman
I saw my son save my daughter from a falling.
And I talked to him about, like, it was just instinctual, right?
And I talked to him about the story about the plane crash in Philly about a young boy shielding his little sister.
Instinctual.
He jumped on his little sister, was in a coma, I guess, woke up, and the first thing he said was, is my sister alive?
unidentified
Yes.
shane cashman
I'm like, that's...
Strength.
It's just in you.
You take that risk to save the people who are weaker than you.
bethany mandel
Over the weekend, an American hostage was freed from Gaza.
And he's American-Israeli.
And they didn't know.
I know the family.
I know his dad.
And they didn't know if he was alive this whole time.
And he was captured because he locked his pregnant wife and two little girls in their safe room.
And then went out to hand-to-hand comment.
And they never heard anything from him.
For 497 days, they didn't know what happened to him.
unidentified
Oh, but he was married?
bethany mandel
Yeah.
And so when he came out, the first thing, he runs towards his wife and they had shot him in the shoulder and so he can't lift one of his arms.
unidentified
Wow.
bethany mandel
And so he runs kind of like dopey towards his wife and gives her a hug and is crying.
And I'm like, that is the manliest man I have ever seen.
And that is also the sexiest thing I've ever seen.
He came out of that Gaza looking pretty hot.
tim pool
Like the rooster.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Someone said in the chat, Telling married men not to be wimpy is constructive criticism.
No, no, no, I agree.
unidentified
I agree.
A guy who's like, my boss was mean to me and I don't know.
tim pool
Like, oh God, calm down.
But like, my point was that Myron said there's never a circumstance in which a man should cry in front of his woman.
And I'm like, I think there are some women who might be really worried if your dad died and you didn't cry.
And you're just like, well, dad's dead.
shane cashman
They'd be like, what's for dinner?
bethany mandel
I mean, I would be worried about that person, like, exploding and being a violent—like, that would scare me, honestly, as a woman.
My instinct, if I see a man who just cannot express emotion past a certain threshold, I'll be like, he is going to kill me in my sleep.
tim pool
I was describing it as I think men typically cry from pain and rage, and women cry from sadness and joy.
So, like— The saying is that men cry once a year, women cry once a month.
I don't believe that's true.
Men cry substantially less than that.
But I think the average probably comes from there's a lot of men who cry too much, and then a lot of men who cry very, very little.
But I think about, like, how I was feeling when, you know, Mr. Bocasarcat died.
That was not a circumstance where I was debilitated.
It was a circumstance where I wanted to punch through a brick wall.
It was like...
The pain I felt at the passing of Mr. Bocas was not a debilitating sadness.
It was, don't give me an excuse.
I am in no mood for this.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You know, I think that's how the men, you know, kind of approach it.
bethany mandel
The only time I've ever seen my husband actually really cry, I was actually afraid.
tim pool
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Like, if a guy was crying for a legitimate reason, like a family member died.
Dude, I saw a video once.
It went viral a while ago.
I think it was on X. It was a dad holding his son who had just died in, I think it was like a car accident.
And it was like, it went viral because people were like, this sound will haunt your nightmares.
And like, the wailing sound was just like, wow, man.
shane cashman
Horrible.
tim pool
Horrible, horrible, horrible.
bethany mandel
Moving on.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
Let's grab some more.
All right, Jason Dutton says, reporter Steve Bannon recently released data on how the Army pulled $225 million of soldiers' basic allowances for subsistence across numerous Army bases, and $151 million of those dollars were used to not fund dining facilities as per law.
Where did it go, then?
Let's see, the Stu Gmaster says, Fox News reports that...
Elon has uncovered $4.7 trillion.
Do you know anything about this?
Or can you look into it?
It looks like the report just came up.
I don't know.
I don't know what that was specifically in regards to.
Pilgrim says, hear me out.
It was an Elon Musk impersonator.
Yo, could you imagine if somebody impersonated Elon Musk and a woman believed it?
shane cashman
You have to have a lot of money.
bethany mandel
I'm sure that's happened a million times already.
tim pool
To simulate being Elon Musk, you don't need a lot of money.
shane cashman
Well, if you're being put up in a crazy apartment, you know?
tim pool
No, I'm not saying to actually...
I'm saying if a guy who looked like Elon messaged him online, brought her to a fancy restaurant, spent a grand on a luxury suite, said, I'm Elon, I'm going to take care of you.
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
And then got her pregnant, and then wasn't Elon, and then she's going out being like, Elon did this.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
shane cashman
I am of the mind that there's more than one Elon.
We don't have to get into it now, but there's probably more than one Elon.
That's why he does all these things at the same time.
bethany mandel
He does tweet a lot.
shane cashman
He tweets all the time.
bethany mandel
I have a tweet notification, and I'm honestly...
tim pool
They're actually...
Have you ever seen Elon in person?
shane cashman
I have.
bethany mandel
I have, actually.
tim pool
Nope, there's no Elon.
She's lying.
She's in on it.
She's working with Elon.
shane cashman
Who do you work for?
Real quick, Roz...
tim pool
Have you ever seen Elon and Trump in the same room?
shane cashman
Only on TV, and I think they're both holograms.
I'm hearing reports on Twitter that Kathy Hochul might be having a meeting to remove Eric Adams as mayor.
bethany mandel
Can she do that?
tim pool
I don't think she can do that.
shane cashman
I don't know.
That's what they're saying online.
That's what a lot of people are saying.
They can't do that either.
But I wouldn't put it past her.
tim pool
To do something.
shane cashman
I left that state because of her.
tim pool
Yo, I just want to say this, guys.
shane cashman
She's evil.
tim pool
Tom Homan has been talking about exploring whether AOC broke the law.
You've got Elizabeth Warren saying that what Elon is doing is illegal.
I think it was Warren who said this, right?
He should be jailed or whatever.
Elon now saying CBS should be jailed.
If Hochul does remove Eric Adams...
Guys...
Let me just ask you this, because you're going to get mad at me, but what do you call the state of a country when two political parties have begun calling for the arrest of each other, and when the governors begin trying to remove politicians who are in support of one faction?
phil labonte
Banana Republic?
tim pool
Civil strife?
phil labonte
I mean...
tim pool
This is precursor level stuff.
As Matt Taibbi pointed out, what is it now, six years ago, you get to the point where two cars drive full speed to a police station, two men jump out, a man jumps out of each car, they run up to the front of the police station, look at the chief and say, arrest that man at the same time.
That's the point when nations fall into civil war.
Imagine if Democrats actually, they don't have the power to do so, but at the state level, they tried imprisoning Donald Trump.
If Hochul does try to remove Eric Adams because he's allowing ICE to enforce immigration law, so she tries to remove a duly elected leader in a city, I mean, we are at chaos levels of breakdown.
shane cashman
I wouldn't put it past her.
She's psychotic.
tim pool
Is that true, though, or is it just a rumor?
shane cashman
I'm seeing reports that it's a possibility.
tim pool
Like Kathy Hochul?
phil labonte
I think that the fact that this is something that they entertain speaks to the...
I mean, we just spent four years where Donald Trump was attacked relentlessly using the justice system, using the courts with absolutely fabricated charges.
The whole situation with Mar-a-Lago, the real estate deal, that was absolutely...
Totally political.
It was not based in reality at all.
The situation with the, whatever, 34 counts that were felonies or whatever, those were all misdemeanors because there's no underlying crime to raise them to the level of felonies.
All of the stuff that they were talking about when it came to secret documents at Mar-a-Lago, all of the presidents that are—all the former presidents that are currently alive have had—have secret documents at their homes.
bethany mandel
That's what won Donald Trump My Vote was all that stuff.
I mean, I was one of those voters in Pennsylvania who was like, why are you voting for Donald Trump?
Because I want to protect democracy.
phil labonte
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
All right, Lior Engelstein says, years ago I was on welfare and got a good job.
My caseworker looked at me like I grew a third eye and told me if I report my new earnings, I will lose all my benefits and tried to push me to quit my new well-paying career.
unidentified
Shoot.
tim pool
I was on unemployment some 20...
Holy crap.
How old am I? 18 years ago?
So I think I was like 20. I got unemployment after a long story.
I got fired from a job.
It was an illegal firing.
I ended up winning a suit against them.
But in the meantime, I got unemployment.
And I remember when I was on the phone, because you got a call once a week, and also in the middle of litigation over illegal termination, or like wrongful termination, and they said...
It was this woman, and they asked you questions like, are you actively looking for work?
And I was like, I am.
And then I ended up getting, one week they made me talk to a person for like an update.
And she said something like, whatever you do, don't take whatever job they give you.
And I was like, what do you mean?
Like, certainly I gotta take a job.
She's like, no, no, no.
Only take a job that's paying you what you are paying or more.
Really?
She said, if you accept a lower paying job and you can't maintain your standard and your rent and your income, you're gonna be on unemployment again.
So just take it easy, take the benefits, and wait until you find a job that pays you what you were getting paid before.
And I was like, okay.
I was like, I see the logic in that.
And then I won my settlement and I got off it and said I don't need this anymore.
But it's an interesting logic that I think keeps a lot of people on unemployment and stops them from actively trying to find a situation that will better themselves.
I don't think it's necessarily wrong.
I understand.
If you're a guy who's got three kids, and they're paying you 67% of what your last year's income was, and then someone offers you a job at half that rate, which would reduce your income, you'll end up homeless with three kids living on the street.
That kind of makes sense, you know?
shane cashman
Yeah.
It's like golden handcuffs for welfare.
tim pool
Yeah.
No easy answer.
phil labonte
That's one of the big problems with our...
Like, our safety net system, is it doesn't really incentivize people to get off of it, and it doesn't make it easy to get off of it either.
tim pool
I think what they should do is, instead of just ending your unemployment benefits, it should slowly start decreasing.
unidentified
Automatically.
tim pool
Yeah, so instead of being like, today it's over, bye, have a nice day.
It's like, at this point, take the job that pays less, and you'll keep getting the difference.
Let's say they pay you 67%, you find a job that pays 50%, they'll pay you the 17%.
And then it slowly diminishes over time, so you can adjust and figure things out.
Yeah, it's rough.
I'm not a staunch far-right, you know, ANCAP libertarian.
I do think social safety net stuff is good.
The problem is social safety nets are for a moral and just society.
It's the same as what they say about the foundation of this country and what our system's meant to do.
If you're a guy...
You're a hardworking guy, you believe in family, and your company shuts down through no fault of your own.
You get unemployment, you're going to be trying every day to work as hard as you can to make it out of that situation.
The problem is, Democrats seem to think that every homeless person is that.
No, they're mostly just incapable or unwilling to do anything.
It's like, not easy.
Alright, let's grab a couple more of these super chats.
Robert Bradbury says, the same people that say Elon shouldn't be allowed to do the Doge, praise Fauci like a god.
Isn't that funny?
Yeah, I consider all of Disney's Star Wars to be fan fiction.
And the written Star Wars to be canon.
Because, like, Knights of the Old Republic was good.
And there's a lot of great lore.
And they came up with great ideas.
And then Disney was like, let's get rid of all that.
And just, you know, I don't know, Rey can pick up spaceships.
And it's like, ugh.
No, I don't want to do that.
Dorktanyan says, Do not give Margera the benefit of thinking he doesn't know what he's doing.
We are past the point of saying they're misled.
They're evil by choice.
Bro, I assure you, Jess Margera is not a smart person.
shane cashman
This might be controversial, but Bloodhound Gang is the better Pennsylvania band than CKY. I love CKY, but I love Bloodhound Gang.
tim pool
Well, bro, you know BAM is MAGA, right?
shane cashman
Is he?
tim pool
Yeah, this is funny.
Bam apparently said something like FJB or whatever.
And so like some article popped up in the skateboarding world being like Bam Margera goes full Trump.
shane cashman
Nice.
tim pool
Meanwhile, his brother, who they don't like each other at all, is like hardcore anti-MAGA. And I'm just like, I try to tweet at him.
He's like, these people are in a cult.
They don't realize it.
I'm like, Jess, we're the popular vote.
We're the popular margin.
Regular people are begging you to stop being in the cult.
No, they can't do it.
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bethany mandel
Yeah, the MomWare Substack and Podcast.
Check them out.
shane cashman
Sweet.
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