Feb. 5, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| about a year and a half ago Tim Pool, myself and Ian Crossland were having a discussion following the October 7th attack in Israel and Ian came up with the idea that maybe the United States should make Gaza the 51st state. | ||
| Now, Tim and myself balked at that idea, but apparently Donald Trump was watching, and he thought that was a great idea, because today Donald Trump has presented the idea of the United States... | ||
| Taking possession or taking control of Gaza. | ||
| So that is an interesting development that I'm sure is going to have plenty of people up in arms. | ||
| X is considerably apoplectic about that, I guess, is a good way to describe it. | ||
| So we'll talk to that. | ||
| We'll talk about that tonight. | ||
| We're going to talk about the FBI has sued the DOJ over unlawful and retaliatory January 6th list. | ||
| This is not a surprise, but... | ||
| It's something that is going to happen, I think, more regularly. | ||
| You're going to see more agencies suing the administration, trying to prevent the actions of Doge and the president trying to consolidate and downsize the government. | ||
| We're going to talk about Elon Musk taking aim at Reddit. | ||
| There's a tweet going around, or a lot of tweets going around. | ||
| From Reddit Lies and a few other locations where they just had a slew of really grotesque tweets and comments on Reddit about how they should find the people in Doge. | ||
| They should go after Elon Musk, his family, his person, go after the people that are working for Doge. | ||
| And it's really... | ||
| It's unfortunate that this is where we're at, but honestly, it's not really a surprise from the left. | ||
| So we'll discuss that. | ||
| We've got a bunch of tweets about that, actually. | ||
| We're going to discuss Delaware. | ||
| The governor has responded to companies leaving because when Elon Musk had the, I guess, the court case, I'm not sure exactly the way to describe it, but there was a court case surrounding Elon Musk's compensation package for Tesla. | ||
| The court, the judge, said that it was not legal, and so there's this big, big compensation package that Elon Musk was supposed to get if he did some miraculous things with Tesla stock prices. | ||
| And when he did, the court stepped in and said, well, you can't do that. | ||
| So we'll talk about that. | ||
| Meta said that exploring, incorporating in different states, so that's one of the companies that's looking to leave. | ||
| Multiple companies are leaving now, so we'll talk about that. | ||
| And then, again, Donald Trump is talking about the taking over, like relocating all Palestinians, which I don't see how that's going to work. | ||
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| So here tonight to talk about this and a whole lot of other things, we've got Natalie Winters. | ||
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Hi! | |
| Thank you so much for having me back. | ||
| Always an honor to be with you guys. | ||
| Who are you and what do you do? | ||
| I am Natalie Winters. | ||
| I am the co-host of Stephen K Bannon's War Room podcast. | ||
| I always say the best thing on my resume is that I held it down for the four months. | ||
| He was in prison hosting that show. | ||
| And just last week, you may have seen the articles, I joined as a White House correspondent too. | ||
| So I have my press pass. | ||
| So I do a lot of hits and reporting from there. | ||
| So it's been very, shall we say, eventful just this past week to be there, to be on campus. | ||
| Hi, everyone. | ||
| I'm glad I'm here for the announcement about making Gaza the 51st state. | ||
| I was kind of saying it as a joke, but in a way it was like, well, what's the least worst outcome here? | ||
| Because I can't stand seeing the bloodshed. | ||
| So maybe this will end up turning into something more diplomatic than it seems. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| But we also have the legendary Chris Carr. | ||
| Yes, returning show favorite. | ||
| Thanks for having me tonight, guys. | ||
| Thank you for coming to hang out. | ||
| So let's get started. | ||
| The Daily Mail is reporting. | ||
| Trump says U.S. will take over Gaza Strip with troops if necessary. | ||
| President Donald Trump outlined an extraordinary new plan for the Middle East on Tuesday with the United States taking control of the war-torn Gaza Strip while its Palestinian population has moved to neighboring countries. | ||
| It is the latest evolution in his plan for rebuilding a territory devastated by Israel. | ||
| His words will sow fear in the Palestinian population, but Trump insists it was time for a new way of thinking. | ||
| I don't know that other countries, the surrounding countries, are going to be receptive to the idea of taking in Palestinians. | ||
| And the reason I say that is because there have been significant, there have been multiple opportunities where that was on the table, you know, getting Palestinians out of Gaza. | ||
| People that are opposed to the Palestinians leaving, they would consider that a genocide. | ||
| They would say, oh, that's part of the genocidal plan because if you remove a people from their land, they'll consider that a genocide. | ||
| I don't know that it's an actual viable option. | ||
| but Donald Trump is a guy that'll just try some Try some S and see how it goes. | ||
| If it's an old war tactic, they call it repopulation. | ||
| If you look up repopulation, I mean, it's literally like something you would do with a defeated population, is you would take them and you would ship them off to a different Siberia or something. | ||
| You'd repopulate the people, and it's a pretty horrible thing to do to people, but, you know, so it's blowing them up. | ||
| You know, ultimately, I think Trump wants to build hotels. | ||
| He's probably like, it's a beautiful... | ||
| We're going to have the most beautiful Gaza Strip the world's ever seen. | ||
| All we've got to do is move all the Palestinians. | ||
| And I know Egypt, maybe as recent as last week, said they don't want them. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| Nobody wants them. | ||
| And I certainly think, obviously, this story is just breaking. | ||
| And obviously, President Trump is the master of the art of the deal. | ||
| I think like we saw with the tariffs, sometimes the broad, bold proclamations, they're not actually the thing itself, right? | ||
| It's sort of a leverage or a mechanism to bring about some other form of change. | ||
| But I think the only thing that I would certainly stick to my guns on would be absolutely zero Palestinian or Gazan, whatever you want to call them, refugees coming in to the United States. | ||
| And I don't know, maybe we should turn it in. | ||
| to watch the world's largest gas station. | ||
| I'm in agreement the United States should not be taking in anyone from Gaza. | ||
| I think no matter what... | ||
| What do you think, Chris? | ||
| Do you have strong opinions on whether or not the U.S. should be even involved in the situation in Gaza? | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| This is another example of Trump being a bloviator. | ||
| I think that he's serious about this policy, but I don't know what the details are going to be. | ||
| He's not strong on details up front like this, so I'm curious to see actually... | ||
| How is this going to play out? | ||
| What does he mean that the U.S. is going to seize control? | ||
| Are we going to send in troops and then have the troops forcibly remove Palestinians to countries that don't want them? | ||
| Like, how is this going to play out exactly? | ||
| I think it'll be interesting, too, to see how the mainstream media latches on to this. | ||
| As someone who watches way too much MSNBC as they try to grovel and have this sort of... | ||
| I actually love it. | ||
| There's struggle sessions about, you know, how to cover Trump because I think they recognize the sins sort of of the first administration where the resistance movement was sort of, I think... | ||
| Too overly engaged, right? | ||
| Too many protests. | ||
| They sort of took the bait on every single thing that President Trump did. | ||
| So there's a conscious effort if you watch their shows that they can... | ||
| Sort of, they're like, we don't want to take the bait on everything, right? | ||
| We're going to cover what he does, not just what he says. | ||
| So I'm curious if this will sort of, you know, pass muster or be something that they will actually want to cover. | ||
| I think they will, but if they do, then I think that's sort of brilliant. | ||
| Not that I necessarily think the press over what's going on at USAID is bad. | ||
| I think most Americans don't want to be sending our tax dollars to foreign countries. | ||
| That's some of the best press for the president and the administration. | ||
| But I think that this will sort of, again, it's flooding the zone. | ||
| I know the media always says it with a pejorative connotation. | ||
| I think it was Steve Bannon who sort of originally said that. | ||
| But flooding the zone is how you keep these people on their toes in the same way that they're doing with the confirmation hearings, right? | ||
| Just jamming these people through. | ||
| Congrats to Pam Bondi for just getting through as we were going to air. | ||
| Breaking news. | ||
| So that's what I mean. | ||
| I feel like these stories are not isolated things, right? | ||
| They have, I think, obviously a geopolitical significance, but there's also sort of an evolving information warfare landscape in terms of, like, just flooding the zone. | ||
| So I say go for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're also flooding it on the weekends, which is kind of new. | ||
| Elon particularly doesn't want to take weekends off. | ||
| He said that it's as if you're playing a game against somebody and they just sit out the game for two days a week and you're able to get two days ahead of them. | ||
| So the zone is flooded come Monday. | ||
| I guess that is kind of what they're doing. | ||
| I think Joe Biden made that very easy for them, right? | ||
| There's so many EOs that they could overturn. | ||
| There's so many problems that they needed to fix. | ||
| But I think also, too, and we'll get into this, I'm sure, with the FBI stuff, but they essentially have no really meaningful form of resistance coming from a governmental perspective, right? | ||
| There are no levers or institutions of power that they control. | ||
| So the concept that they've sort of come up with is both civil society of which media is sort of a crucial component to that. | ||
| So that's why I think their sort of conception of how they push back against stories like this, it's so focused on how the media is going to cover it and engage with it. | ||
| Because what are they? | ||
| I mean, all these Democrats are what standing on the steps of USAID, giving these like weak, disgusting, groveling, you know, dysgenic statements while they're standing there like we're going to win. | ||
| It's like, no, you're groveling on the steps of USAID. | ||
| How far you guys have fallen? | ||
| I mean, the reason that they're on the steps of USAID is because they're in such complete disarray. | ||
| If they actually had cogent strategy and actually had a base that was behind them and had policies that they were looking to implement and looking if they actually had any semblance of power, they wouldn't be just sitting out on the steps saying, oh, we're going to stop Trump. | ||
| They've really made it their goal to just... | ||
| Be the resistance almost again. | ||
| It's just if Donald Trump says we're going to do this or he wants to do this, they're going to automatically say, no, this is a bad thing. | ||
| They're coming out against, you know, waste, fraud and abuse, essentially. | ||
| And that's never like the American people are even even the waste, fraud and abuse are amorphous and really ambiguous frame terms. | ||
| The American people are never against. | ||
| Getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse. | ||
| Those are ubiquitously bad things, according to, you know, the American people. | ||
| I think the waste, fraud, and abuse paradigm is certainly valid, and obviously we don't want to fund the, what, like transgender musicals in Kazakhstan or whatever. | ||
| And I think the American people look at that as a wasteful. | ||
| But I think that the Elon Musk angle, too, I mean, if you look at what he was tweeting about, they sort of started off this whole thing by talking about how USAID was funding the COVID gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. | ||
| I think there's a much darker and more sinister underbelly to what USAID has been doing. | ||
| It's not all just, you know, woke drag shows. | ||
| It's, frankly, trying to destroy the United States. | ||
| It's weaponizing, whether it's the censorship stuff. | ||
| But to the point that you were making, I think, about these Democrats, like, sort of standing out there, you know, they went from, what, trying to impeach President Trump every single day. | ||
| And I would argue that's what they're trying. | ||
| They're laying the groundwork. | ||
| For being able to impeach them should they take back the House two years from now. | ||
| But I also think that why they're so triggered about the USAID removals. | ||
| If you go back, there's this coalition, it's called Democracy Forward, and it's sort of the new hotbed of Resistance 2.0. | ||
| It's a collection of 120-plus far-left activist groups, like the Mark Elias types, the Norm Isens. | ||
| And the one thing that they did before President Trump was sworn in, they set up an institution called Civil Service Strong. | ||
| And it was basically like a response crisis. | ||
| This is how you can be a whistleblower. | ||
| This is how you can sue. | ||
| This is how you can stay in your job if you're being pushed out. | ||
| And I think that they really wanted to have effectively embeds, right, within all these agencies. | ||
| They wanted to be able to whistleblow. | ||
| They wanted to be able to leak using the media as an outlet to do that because that's really their... | ||
| Only path for resistance. | ||
| So that's why they are melting down so intensely over this USAID removal stuff. | ||
| In part, it's about the USAID stuff, but more broadly, I think the variable is that they're realizing that they're not even going to have the ability to leak because they're not even going to be inside those rooms. | ||
| So I want to get back to the situation with... | ||
| With Gaza. | ||
| And we're going to go to Tim Kass News said President Trump says he sees the U.S. having long-term ownership of Gaza. | ||
| So we've got this clip here. | ||
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What authority would allow you to do that? | |
| Are you talking about a permanent occupation there? | ||
| Redevelopment? | ||
| And Mr. Prime Minister, do you see this idea as a way to expand the boundaries of Israel and to have a longer peace, even though the Israeli people know how important that land is? | ||
| To you and your citizens, just as the space is inherited by the Palestinians as well. | ||
| I do see a long-term ownership position, and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the Middle East and maybe the entire Middle East. | ||
| And everybody I've spoken to, this was not a decision made lightly, everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United States. | ||
| Owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a really magnificent area that nobody would know. | ||
| Nobody can look because all they see is death and destruction and rubble and demolished buildings falling all over. | ||
| It's just a terrible sight. | ||
| I've studied this very closely over a lot of months, and I've seen it from every different angle. | ||
| And it's a very, very dangerous place to be. | ||
| And it's only going to get worse. | ||
| And I think this is an idea that's gotten tremendous. | ||
| And I'm talking about from the highest level of leadership, gotten tremendous praise. | ||
| And if the United States can help to bring stability and peace in the Middle East, we'll do that. | ||
| Bibi? | ||
| I mentioned again tonight our three goals. | ||
| And the third goal is to make sure that Gaza President Trump is taking it to a much higher level. | ||
| He sees a different future for that piece of land that has been the focus of so much terrorism, so many attacks against us, so many trials and so many tribulations. | ||
| He has a different idea. | ||
| And I think it's worth paying attention to this. | ||
| We're talking about it. | ||
| He's exploring it with his people, with his staff. | ||
| I think it's something that could change history. | ||
| And it's worthwhile really pursuing this avenue. | ||
| This is a terrible idea as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| The more he actually talks about it, the more insane it sounds. | ||
| If they set it up as a U.S. territory, first that would be a territory, and then maybe they would vie for statehood if they wanted. | ||
| I don't think that's actually what they would end up doing. | ||
| I think that you're not going to make a state in the Middle East. | ||
| You might have U.S. forces there, but the goal is put U.S. forces in there, probably get rid of the Palestinians, move them out to somewhere else, and then eventually have Israel take back the Gaza Strip. | ||
| That's what I hear them talking about. | ||
| You're not going to have the congressmen or the senators from Gaza. | ||
| But I tell you, man, the horrible thing about it is if there's American troops there and then there's some sort of attack, like rockets come in from wherever, maybe Iran, so to speak. | ||
| Maybe we think it's like, oh, how lucky for us that now we get to invade or we have Cassius Belli to go into Iran. | ||
| It's just what a vulnerability to put Americans. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| That is like maddening. | ||
| Now, the reason I said last year we should make Gaza the 51st state, truly, it was like, what's the least worst outcome for stability? | ||
| It's like looking at someone that's suffered a traumatic injury being like, we're going to need to amputate their arm. | ||
| This is the moment when they're like, all right, we do need to amputate. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| The blood is draining out of my stomach, thinking about, like, we have to do that now. | ||
| Like, accepting that moment of, yes, we're going to have to amputate. | ||
| Like, it's horrific. | ||
| And the person getting the news, it's like, but if you don't amputate, the whole body dies. | ||
| Originally what Trump said was, sorry, what he said was, finish the job. | ||
| That's what he told Beebe. | ||
| I didn't know that the unspoken part of that was finish the job so we can go in and clean it up and claim that territory and station up in the Middle East and it's permanent and it's permanently occupied. | ||
| Ownership. | ||
| I don't understand this. | ||
| He said ownership. | ||
| Yeah, he's going to own it. | ||
| Long term. | ||
| I don't see how that in any way is a positive for the United States. | ||
| Well, he is making bold moves. | ||
| Just since he's taken office, he has really staked his reputation on making bold moves. | ||
| This is a bold move, and I can appreciate that, but it's also, I think, insane. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, just like Ian was saying, the idea of having American troops there almost guarantees further war in the Middle East. | ||
| I tell you, in 50 years, it's going to be beautiful. | ||
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No. | |
| It's going to be gorgeous real estate. | ||
| It can't get much worse. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Yeah, it can't get much worse. | ||
| If the United States were to do this, it absolutely will lead to war with Iran. | ||
| And Bibi would love that. | ||
| Yes, Bibi would love that. | ||
| I don't see any way around that. | ||
| The Iranians will fire missiles into Gaza. | ||
| They fired missiles into Israel already. | ||
| They'll fire missiles at Americans in Gaza. | ||
| Americans will die. | ||
| The United States will look at that as... | ||
| You know, we're going to retaliate. | ||
| It likely would happen during Donald Trump's presidency if it does happen. | ||
| And, you know, he would retaliate. | ||
| It is possible that another president would pull them out. | ||
| But if you set up an American base in there, presidents don't like to close down American bases. | ||
| They don't want to do that at all. | ||
| So, like, I don't see... | ||
| Any kind of sane policy coming out of this. | ||
| This is the first thing that Donald Trump has done where I'm just like, this is absolutely nuts. | ||
| And I have no idea how this would work. | ||
| I just don't know if it's actually about Gaza in the sense of I think it's sort of like the tariff paradigm, right? | ||
| It's asserting, I think, United States power or global hegemony that we haven't for a while. | ||
| Really think that President Trump, who I think is not necessarily expansionist, I mean, not to go with the mainstream critique of him, that he is, you know, more, you know, nativist or kind of just folk protectionist here at home. | ||
| But I think in the same way that he's using this, like how he used the tariffs, right, to get Mexico to put 10,000 border patrol agents, he used the tariffs to get, what, $1.9 billion from Canada. | ||
| I think you guys are taking the bait, like the mainstream media. | ||
| I don't think it's really... | ||
| About this, and I think I'm sure it will resolve itself. | ||
| I mean, even, you know, I think I was a little hesitant about Marco Rubio at first, right, given his kind of neocon past. | ||
| But I do think that what he was talking about, right, sort of this rules-based international order, the idea that we're the world's policemen, I think there's a very firm rejection of that coming from the White House. | ||
| I mean, we're shutting down frickin' USAID. I don't think the same administration that's shutting down USAID is about to start. | ||
| Adding or annexing a 51st state. | ||
| So I would say give it like two days and I think it will resolve. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I'm interested to hear where this goes because so far... | ||
| I'm curious if you told Netanyahu too. | ||
| It just seems like Trump just kind of said it, which honestly, kind of mad respect telling not just China, Canada, Mexico, but now you're telling Israel like, hey, actually... | ||
| Long-term ownership. | ||
| I mean, that's extremely bold for any president. | ||
| I don't think historically that's ever been done, if you're picking up what I'm putting down. | ||
| But, I mean, it's negotiating from a position of strength, and I think it's just something we haven't seen in a while. | ||
| And it's narrative-shattering, shall we say. | ||
| What do you think he wants? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guess I'll have to ask President Trump in the briefing room. | ||
| I mean, that does sound like a pretty good idea, seeing as you're going to be in there in the next week or so. | ||
| Yeah, make sure you ask him, hey, what's the end goal here? | ||
| Are you just looking to have more resorts? | ||
| Are you looking for a Trump Tower in Gaza? | ||
| Is that the goal? | ||
| Yeah, I think that is what he wants. | ||
| He wants one in North Korea, too. | ||
| He keeps talking about it. | ||
| He's like, they have beautiful... | ||
| I would say we should build a Hooters, because I've been told I, what, dress like a hostess at Hooters? | ||
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That was horrible. | |
| Well, maybe it's an extreme ploy to guarantee the bombing stops. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I don't even think that the bombing's going to stop, though. | ||
| I wonder if the protesters outside the White House are getting more mad or less, like, what the reaction is to this. | ||
| I mean, the reactions on X, I'm seeing, like, far-left socialists, I'm seeing libertarians, and I'm also seeing people that are new to the MAGA movement being very angry about this. | ||
| But you're saying he's doing this, this will basically make Israel stop bombing. | ||
| Yeah, if they're there, if the U.S. takes that over, then Israel's not going to bomb the U.S., so maybe that's the crafty ploy. | ||
| That's why I said we need to make it to 50. It was like, that was just an extreme way of making Israel stop bombing it. | ||
| Hey, you put it out there, man, and it just hit him somehow. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| You're responsible for this one. | ||
| And then liberate it. | ||
| But talking about repopulating the people is like, whoa. | ||
| Well, I mean, you're going to have to. | ||
| Well, I don't know that you're going to have to, but if you leave the people that are in Gaza, the Palestinians that are in Gaza, they're not just going to assimilate. | ||
| They're not... | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| Way that I could conceive of this being the United States being looked at as liberators or anything. | ||
| It's definitely swinging for the fences. | ||
| But I think we're going to jump to this story now. | ||
| From Newsweek, FBI agents sued DOJ over unlawful and retaliatory January 6th list. | ||
| So a group of FBI agents brought a class action lawsuit against the Justice Department on Tuesday, accusing it of carrying out an unlawful and retaliatory directive from President Donald Trump to purge the Bureau of Agents who worked on the January 6th, 2021 Capitol riot probe in the classified documents investigation into Trump. | ||
| Newsweek reached out to the White House and Justice Department for comment via email. | ||
| I think that this goes back to the idea... | ||
| That there seems to be a question, does the executive actually run the executive branch, or does the bureaucracy run the executive? | ||
| The president should be, in my opinion, the president should be able to fire whoever he wants, whenever he wants, for whatever reason, as long as they're in the executive branch. | ||
| If they're in the Justice Department, if they're in the whatever. | ||
| If the president decides this person is not carrying out the policies and the prescriptions that I have for the government, then the president should be able to fire them. | ||
| And I think that this might turn into court cases. | ||
| Obviously, they're suing. | ||
| But I could imagine this going to the Supreme Court. | ||
| This was the... | ||
| This was essentially the same kind of argument we discussed when it came to the 14th Amendment thing, when Donald Trump said, oh, we're going to take a look at the 14th Amendment and see if this is actually something that the founders meant. | ||
| Can the people that are essentially anchor babies, was that the intent? | ||
| And it seems like Donald Trump is trying to use the courts to get clarification on these things. | ||
| What do you guys think? | ||
| Well, it's the whole, I think, concept of the unitary executive theory, which is what there's been a lot of back and forth over once they knew President Trump won. | ||
| But even before it, of course, just in general, what the Supreme Court's been doing. | ||
| Of course, the mainstream media depicts it. | ||
| I think they get the limited hangout version where it's like, oh, evil, you know, democratically elected dictator Trump wants to subsume all three branches of government. | ||
| But the unitary executive theory paradigm is just the idea that he is the chief magistrate. | ||
| And I think for so long they've been pushing that the DOJ is an independent entity, which, of course, oversees the FBI. | ||
| So that's why I think even in some of the media coverage of this, they're already sort of starting to invoke that, the concept of having an independent judiciary and the rule of law. | ||
| It's also important. | ||
| We know it's all complete BS. | ||
| President Trump will win. | ||
| And I think there's a lot of brilliant conservative legal minds who've been working kind of preemptively on strengthening and bolstering the unitary executive theory. | ||
| theory but I do think you're very right this is gonna end up working itself Yeah, this is another one of those things that Trump is doing where it is going to probably wind up at the Supreme Court and they're going to have to make some really difficult decisions about how legal this is. | ||
| In my opinion, I agree with you. | ||
| I hope that he does have that power and he can maintain that power because, you know, I mean, the founding father's vision was to have the checks and balances to keep, you know, to prevent some sort of monarchist taking over the government. | ||
| But we're at a point now where the bureaucracy is so corrupt and so demented and so obfuscated behind this notion of democracy that you actually need somebody to have monarchist. | ||
| I'd like to see that from Trump. | ||
| I've been thinking about that all day, actually, because it's like Doge, this department Doge, it's the U.S. It used to be called USDS, Digital Services. | ||
| Obama started it in 2014, and it's under the executive. | ||
| So there's an administrator. | ||
| And now when Trump took over, he renamed it. | ||
| And I can't tell if there's even an administrator for the company, but it looks like it's being run by Elon, who's a guy in the private sector who has businesses. | ||
| And if you're going to head a government department, you've got to quit your job. | ||
| You're not supposed to. | ||
| I don't know if you're supposed to. | ||
| Maybe not necessarily. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's no law that says you have to quit your job. | ||
| But they just do it then? | ||
| They just do it and they can't control their stock portfolios? | ||
| He's essentially an advisor to the president. | ||
| Yeah, he's not technically... | ||
| The administrator of Doge, there isn't one that I can tell. | ||
| So but it's like, I'm like, well, sometimes you got to break the law to do what's right. | ||
| Like I'm thinking of when they suspended habeas corpus after the Civil War, and they just went full martial law to reinstate order. | ||
| And that was apparently the right thing. | ||
| And it's like, whoa, well, the Constitution was toilet paper for a moment. | ||
| And like, is that where we're at right now that we need? | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| Yes, the Constitution is toilet paper. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I mean, even today. | ||
| We don't have those rights. | ||
| It could go real bad, real fast if we treat it like toilet paper. | ||
| It's been treated like toilet paper. | ||
| The idea that the Tenth Amendment is in full effect, I think that everyone around the table can agree that the Tenth Amendment only holds power when the federal government feels like it. | ||
| And the Tenth Amendment is pretty clear. | ||
| Any state's not expressly delegated to the federal government, A reserve for the states or the people. | ||
| And that expressly delegated means that are specifically said in the Constitution. | ||
| But the federal government has said, oh, well, the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause essentially are blanket powers over anything that we want to do. | ||
| And the federal government has taken that to mean that they can regulate and pass laws about you like... | ||
| I forget the name of the court case, but that was an actual case that went before the Supreme Court. | ||
| And the Supreme Court found that because of the Commerce Clause, because this farmer was growing feed for his cattle on his own property, because he was not buying it from the open market, the federal government could actually regulate. | ||
| What he was and was not doing on his own property. | ||
| That kind of overreach, which it is clearly overreach. | ||
| Anyone that listens to that, of course they think it's ridiculous. | ||
| Any normal person, the only people that don't think it's ridiculous are the people that want access to that kind of power. | ||
| So the Tenth Amendment is no longer fully functional. | ||
| It's been papered over. | ||
| So just like Chris said, it is toilet paper nowadays. | ||
| The Second Amendment, it can't get any more clear than, you know, shall not be infringed. | ||
| The Fourth Amendment, your right to be left alone, your person, your papers, the police constantly perform what they call civil asset forfeiture, which is they just take your shit and they just sell it or they'll auction it off. | ||
| These things are expressly prohibited by the Bill of Rights, by the 2nd, the 4th, and they're routinely ignored. | ||
| So the idea that the Constitution actually prevents things the way that it was intended, that ship sailed a long time ago. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like because the bureaucracy has kind of commandeered the government that if you try and play by the rules that they're violating, you're not going to be able to undo the control mechanism that you have to go outside of the rules to do it. | ||
| It just – Well, it's actually worse than that, I think. | ||
| I mean, you've heard of the concept of the cathedral, right? | ||
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| So the cathedral is really what runs things. | ||
| It's this loosely connected affiliation of academia, Hollywood, the federal government, you know, big corporations, big tech. | ||
| They all sort of tacitly agree because they've all been put through the university system, and they know what the appropriate way to act is, the appropriate things to say and not to say. | ||
| These giant institutions, many of which are non-governmental, they all pretty much agree on the status quo. | ||
| So when you have the cathedral, then you don't really effectively have the First Amendment because you're self-censoring. | ||
| And you can pay big premium prices for saying something that goes against what the cathedral would have you say. | ||
| I also just don't buy their performative activism and selective outrage over, like, constitution. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Spare me, right? | ||
| Also, I'm sorry, the same people, it's like, when they're like, oh, the American consumers are going to be screwed by the tariffs. | ||
| I'm like, you guys lied about inflation for four years. | ||
| Spare me. | ||
| But I did just want to bring up one semi-unrelated thing, too, in a similar vein. | ||
| One of the attorneys, it's like the Center for Employment Justice, something like that. | ||
| I believe it's nine anonymous agents. | ||
| While I was driving here, I had gone through her Twitter to see what she had been putting out about, just in general, MAGA, you know. | ||
| And she's tweeted repeatedly about how all of MAGA needs to be fired from the federal government. | ||
| Quote, America needs industrial strength disinfectant of the MAGA bacteria in our institutions. | ||
| Clean the wound, Mr. President. | ||
| Fire them all. | ||
| Quote, if we are to remove MAGA at the ballot box, then you must, must, must. | ||
| Remove MAGA from our institutions. | ||
| Fire DeJoy. | ||
| Fire Flynn. | ||
| Fire Ray. | ||
| And then my favorite, she's all saying this to Biden. | ||
| It is time for the Biden admin to remove MAGA from our government. | ||
| So the idea that these people are being pushed out over political retribution, it's not. | ||
| President Trump is allowed to have, I know I can't say it, but loyalists. | ||
| And these people are such hypocrites. | ||
| So I don't even take them at face value. | ||
| It's like, shut up. | ||
| You're a bunch of liars. | ||
| And by the way, what was it? | ||
| The 5,000 agents of the, like, 16,000, like, upwards of 30%, were all weaponized and deputized to do the January 6th stuff. | ||
| But, you know, the January 6th is so critical, right, to their whole regime narrative. | ||
| Like, that is where they just derive their state power from, and they will sue because they have to. | ||
| I mean, they even they go so far as, you know, I mean, everyone's familiar with the argument or the non-argument that it was an insurrection, even though nobody on that day was charged with insurrection. | ||
| Insurrection is an actual law that you have to there are qualifications. | ||
| There are things you have to do to actually be considered to actually have engaged in insurrection. | ||
| Nobody was charged with insurrection. | ||
| Donald Trump clearly wasn't engaged in insurrection by telling people that they should peacefully protest. | ||
| But yet you still hear that narrative. | ||
| Donald Trump is an insurrectionist. | ||
| Donald Trump is an insurrectionist. | ||
| There were people that were saying right before the inauguration or between When Donald Trump was reelected and when he was inaugurated on January 6th, they were saying, oh, we need to have the vice president say that Donald Trump isn't actually the... | ||
| He can't be confirmed because he actually engaged in insurrection, and the 14th Amendment says, etc., etc., making the argument, even though they're ignoring the fact that without due process, you can't be said to have actually engaged in an insurrection. | ||
| You have to be found guilty of insurrection to have been involved in an insurrection, and he wasn't found guilty of insurrection, so the 14th Amendment clearly doesn't apply. | ||
| But again, they don't care about what the Constitution says. | ||
| They only care about exercising power. | ||
| And so they'll use parts of the Constitution to exercise power when they can, if they're allowed to, and they'll ignore other parts of the Constitution. | ||
| So I do think it's super important to get this stuff in front of the courts. | ||
| I like the idea of these people suing. | ||
| I like the idea of the laws being questioned and brought to the courts because I think the court will come down and say, look, we have an elected official, Donald Trump, the president. | ||
| Is elected by the American people, and he has a platform that he ran on, and the American people said, these are the policies that we prefer as opposed to the other option. | ||
| And if that's the case, then he needs to have the authority to hire people that will implement the policies that he ran on. | ||
| And if you have, just like you were saying, the loyalists, you need to have people... | ||
| That are going to carry out the policies because you actually were elected for a reason. | ||
| If you have people that are obstructing the president, then you actually have people that are obstructing the will of the American people because they voted to have Donald Trump as the president. | ||
| They want to see the policies that he proposed on the campaign trail. | ||
| They want to see those put into effect. | ||
| Unless the president goes crazy and then you need people to be like, hold up there. | ||
| But that's what the 25th Amendment's for. | ||
| Where the VP comes in and takes over? | ||
| If the president goes crazy, the 25th Amendment is... | ||
| If the president and vice president go crazy together, then the people are supposed to be like, stop. | ||
| We can't let you do this. | ||
| Well, if you're talking about the people, then you're talking about the Second Amendment. | ||
| And that's something we should be discussing. | ||
| Just bureaucrats disallowing the orders and stuff like that, like civil disobedience. | ||
| Because it is a slippery slope that if you get a dangerous demagogue into the president... | ||
| I'm not saying that's what's happening, but... | ||
| This is the rationale for why they would oppose his will. | ||
| You don't always want to just bow down to the executive's will because he's the executive. | ||
| You've got to make sure that it's good and right. | ||
| We have the house. | ||
| Can impeach if those things are going on. | ||
| The House has the power to write up articles of impeachment while the president's in office and the Senate can impeach. | ||
| The House has to write them up and then the Senate will try them and see if he actually did violate the law. | ||
| And if that's the case, there are means. | ||
| The Constitution has means to deal with all the things that you're talking about. | ||
| The Constitution does provide a means to get rid of a crazy president. | ||
| The Constitution has a means to get rid of a lawless president, whether it be The impeachment or because he's crazy, the 25th Amendment. | ||
| So the things that you're worried about, it's not good to say, well, let's have the bureaucrats just ignore him. | ||
| Use the actual Constitution. | ||
| Use the laws that are written in the Constitution. | ||
| Use the process so that way it's legitimate. | ||
| Because if you're just saying, well, he seems crazy and it's more expedient to have the bureaucracy just not listen, then you're going to have the next president say, well, I don't have to listen. | ||
| I'm going to get my people in and we're just going to ignore the law. | ||
| And you're making the country more lawless. | ||
| You're making the Constitution more toilet paper. | ||
| You're only adding to the problem by doing those things. | ||
| Which is the argument that conservatives usually give. | ||
| They're like, look. | ||
| We try to do things the right way, because this is the process that works. | ||
| The left tends to say, we want the results, and the process is less important, which is why people on the left will do things like we're discussing. | ||
| They'll ignore parts of the Constitution sometimes, and they'll say, oh, this is super important part of the Constitution this time, but next time it's not. | ||
| Because they're not worried about the process, because the result is what they're after. | ||
| But the process matters, because if you don't, and that's why, like, leftists... | ||
| Like, you see all kinds of, like, basket case countries that had socialist governments because they don't care about the process. | ||
| They only want the result. | ||
| What they're looking for is the government to just make things happen for the people in the way that they want. | ||
| And that's not how anything works. | ||
| Like, you can't just magic up results. | ||
| You have to have a process that works. | ||
| Okay, were you going to say something? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, like, to that point, I was just like... | ||
| Remember there's Democrats sitting on the steps of USAID today demanding we need to shut down the Senate and we are at war. | ||
| But I do think it is interesting because I don't think... | ||
| Oh, they said that? | ||
| They said we need to shut down the Senate and we're at war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I forget who said that, but yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I liked it better when Andrew Breitbart said war than some dysgenic Democrat outside of USAID. But I think it's an interesting, I think, from a narrative perspective, because if you watch, I know I watch a lot of MSNBC, but like Jen Psaki yesterday, right, was calling what Elon Musk was doing a quote-unquote hostile takeover of the United States government. | ||
| And yes, we can parse out the Elon Musk issue. | ||
| You know my show. | ||
| You know Steve has been critical of some of the stuff that he's done. | ||
| Not like full-blown Elon simps. | ||
| But I think that that framing of it is sort of interesting and I think it... | ||
| Plays into, I would argue, sort of the color revolution matrix, color revolution theory of the people like Norm Eisen and these people who oversees, whether it was like Ukraine in 2014, but have sort of used certain tactics like the concept of civil society to bring about regime change. | ||
| And now they're using those same tactics here at home. | ||
| One of the like seminal textbooks or just papers that they put out was called the Democracy Playbook back in 2019. It came from the Brookings. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It was written by Norm Eisen, who played a really intimate role in what happened in Ukraine and the Czech Republic and a bunch of Eastern European countries. | ||
| They just put out a newly revised edition on January 17th, no coincidences, no conspiracies, but talking about how they were sort of cross-applying those tactics to prevent democratic backsliding here in the United States. | ||
| And I just sort of reject the premise that a democratically elected president who's delivering on campaign promises is an... | ||
| And I think that they're very keen on that messaging because then it gives them the sort of extra-constitutional mandate and power to oppose. | ||
| Anything that he's doing because he's a dictator, he's an autocrat, if we don't stop this democratic backsliding is happening and the country is going to cease to exist, it gives them their raison d'etre, their reason to exist. | ||
| So that's why I just think even this discussion, you can see how it creeps in, you know what I mean? | ||
| But it's such an interesting, I just think, psychological way to look at... | ||
| He's delivering more or less on campaign promises and occasionally says things that are, I would argue, more art of the deal as opposed to actual concrete policy. | ||
| But they view it as a hostile takeover of the United States government. | ||
| The American people elected... | ||
| Trump, Elon played a very visible role on the campaign trail. | ||
| They said they were going to create Doge. | ||
| They said they were going to cut spending. | ||
| If anything, they haven't cut enough spending. | ||
| So it's just an interesting framing that I think if you really look why they're doing it, it's because they want to do what they've done to foreign countries in terms of the color revolutions. | ||
| They want to do that to us here at home. | ||
| You said they printed a paper on the 17th of January? | ||
| Yeah, it's called The Democracy Playbook. | ||
| It was written by, I think, Jonathan Katz and Norm Eisen out of the Brookings Institution. | ||
| The first edition, I think, was put out in 2019. | ||
| The second one was like early 2020 time. | ||
| And then they put a revised third edition out January 17th, 2025. | ||
| And they go through like the seven priorities of how to prevent democratic backsliding in the United States. | ||
| Step one is like securing elections, preserving civil society, having a strong media, basically outlining the resistance. | ||
| And just on the USAID point, I do think it is very interesting because one of the things that they were advocating for in this paper and for what it's worth, Norm Eisen was the guy who sued Doge initially within three minutes of the Trump administration. | ||
| Norm Eisen's State Democracy Defenders Group has collaborated with Mark Zaid, who was one of the lawyers that was behind the first impeachment of President Trump, to also sue the FBI. There was a big story in the Huffington Post yesterday about that. | ||
| So these are like very key players. | ||
| They're not just some random people. | ||
| But I was reading through the report today. | ||
| We're talking about it on War Room. | ||
| And USAID is mentioned dozens of times. | ||
| The report's like 158 pages or whatever. | ||
| And one of the things that they mentioned was like, in order to have a strong resistance movement, we have to have international partners and allies to push back against President Trump. | ||
| And so to me, when I hear what's going on at USAID, I'm like, oh, you guys wanted to launder a bunch of money to a bunch of... | ||
| International resistance groups in the name of democracy. | ||
| And that was how you were going to resist President Trump. | ||
| Because that's what they called for in the playbook by the same guy who's suing, right? | ||
| So these are all the same act. | ||
| Like this is, you know, I know the deep state is a very nice cutesy term, but like this is the deep state, right? | ||
| Like if there's a face to it, it's actions like this and they have their finger in the lawsuits and everywhere. | ||
| From just a narrative perspective. | ||
| And to that point, last thing I know I'm talking about. | ||
| That's why you're here. | ||
| I've been told I'm a DEI hire. | ||
| No. | ||
| But, you know, last night, Rachel Maddow does a 25-minute monologue. | ||
| You would think that she probably would have covered USAID or the confirmation hearings. | ||
| What does she spend the 25 minutes on? | ||
| Going on and on about the power and importance of independent and alternative media and how it's under assault. | ||
| and how they're going after NPR and CBS and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Those are, she called those independent? | ||
| Which I was like, girl, you need to get a dictionary because that's not independent media. | ||
| But my point is, it's very curious to me on the day that USAID is getting crippled, which I would argue was going to be the linchpin in funding a lot of these resistance efforts, which was sort of contained to this sector of society that was civil society and media, because they have no governmental power, to see Rachel Maddow imploring her audience, go donate to independent media, to see Rachel Maddow imploring her audience, go donate to independent media, go support It's an interesting thing, right? | ||
| Like the timing. | ||
| So that's why I think they're in such meltdown. | ||
| And removing these people from these buildings also removes a bunch of sources, right, for MSNBC. And by the way, they're still having these inspector generals, all these DOJ people. | ||
| They're still having them on MSNBC, but their chyrons are not, you know, this is the role and I'm leaking. | ||
| It's like former fired inspector general. | ||
| Yeah, and there was a long time where they were just considered leakers or whatever. | ||
| There's nothing that the establishment media hates more than losing access. | ||
| It's one of the things that I've talked about multiple times. | ||
| You don't need to have direct payments. | ||
| When you can offer people access, inside information and access, because if you have someone high up in the bureaucracy's phone number, that's the same thing as having power. | ||
| If you can call that person and say, look, I need a favor, can you get me information? | ||
| That kind of power, that kind of access is the whole point of money a lot of times. | ||
| I want to go to this from Timcast News. | ||
| Natalie had mentioned they were calling for the shutting down the Senate, so I'm not sure who this person is actually talking here, but we can listen to this. | ||
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Shut down the Senate! | |
| Oh, I hope there's more news. | ||
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That's right. | |
| My name is Sydney Kamlocker-Darr. | ||
| And I am from Los Angeles. | ||
| And we are still trying to recover from the devastation of the fires across L.A. County. | ||
| And I can tell you something for sure. | ||
| No one elected Elon Musk to make any decisions about getting my county, my city, my state aid to help us rebuild. | ||
| There is an economic coup happening right here in the Treasury and right there in Trump's White House. | ||
| But there's a revolution happening right here on these streets. | ||
| It's always the same type of phrasing. | ||
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It is total corruption for an unhinged, unqualified, unvetted billionaire like Elon Musk and his sycophants to come into our Treasury unvetted billionaire like Elon Musk and his sycophants to come into our Treasury to try to take control of our government, to have access to our Our Social Security numbers. | |
| Our Social Security payments. | ||
| Our medical benefits. | ||
| All of the information that we use when we are trying to get a motherfucking tax return. | ||
| Pardon my French. | ||
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And you're going to take our money? | |
| Homie, don't play that. | ||
| Living color shout out. | ||
| Damon Wayans in the house. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| I'm going to blame you for making me, for etching that into my brain there, Phil. | ||
| That woman's voice. | ||
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It's terrible. | |
| Firstly, lady, you use a microphone so you don't have to yell. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| You don't scream into the microphone. | ||
| You just talk loudly in the microphone. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| Sorry to interrupt. | ||
| You were saying? | ||
| That's all right. | ||
| So this is something that I hear the left talking about, the scare tactic. | ||
| Tactic of saying, oh, Elon Musk is going to go after your Social Security and go after your Medicare and Medicaid. | ||
| The only thing I have to say to that is, I hope so. | ||
| Because if the mandatory spending is not addressed, then the federal government is going to become insolvent. | ||
| As much as everyone loves to use this as a scare tactic... | ||
| This is what drives the debt. | ||
| I love what they're doing with Doge. | ||
| I love the idea of shrinking the bureaucracy. | ||
| I love returning the power to the elected officials and to the executive, making the bureaucracy smaller because there's less impact that the bureaucracy can have on the average person's life that way. | ||
| And the people that vote for the president and for Congress, they should be the ones that are actually exercising power. | ||
| And as long as the bureaucracy is just making rules as they see fit, then the people don't have the ability to fire their representative to have an effect on what laws are created because the laws are created by faceless bureaucrats. | ||
| But that doesn't change the fact that the thing that drives our debt... | ||
| Is Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid? | ||
| Those are the things that make the U.S. insolvent. | ||
| They could shrink the discretionary spending by half, and it would not change the long-term projections for the U.S. debt and for our deficit. | ||
| It just wouldn't. | ||
| Since 2008, since the financial collapse, they were saying Obama kicked the can down the road by bailing out Freddie... | ||
| Freddie, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. | ||
| Bro, Ronald Reagan kicked the can down the road. | ||
| This is like the end of the road. | ||
| This is where the can is no longer being kicked. | ||
| This is the moment where they're like, we're going to stop kicking the can, everyone. | ||
| And they said it was going to hurt. | ||
| So people lose Medicare. | ||
| Like, if people lose their Social Security, old people, and then they go homeless. | ||
| Like, that's the end of the road. | ||
| God, energy. | ||
| Just bear in mind, the option, right, is not you... | ||
| Get rid of Social Security and Medicare or you don't get rid of it. | ||
| You try to fix it and do your best you can to fix it or else the whole country loses it. | ||
| So what's Elon doing with it anyway? | ||
| Well, Elon hasn't actually touched anything. | ||
| He hasn't done a thing with it. | ||
| This is all about a scare tactic. | ||
| The whole thing that she said about bringing up Social Security and stuff like that, it's all scare tactic. | ||
| And they're saying, oh, he's going to do this, he's going to do that. | ||
| Because right now, the stuff that he's focused on is only the discretionary spending. | ||
| Stuff like, even if he were to go after the military budget, the military budget's still discretionary spending. | ||
| That doesn't affect the actual long-term... | ||
| You know, forecast for our economic problems. | ||
| There are people on the left that are always going to say, oh man, we're spending so much money on the military, and if we just stop spending money on the military, everything would be fine. | ||
| That is absolutely false. | ||
| That is absolutely false. | ||
| As much as I don't want the U.S. to spend money on foreign aid, foreign aid is not going to make the United States go broke. | ||
| The money that we send to Ukraine, it's not going to make the U.S. go broke. | ||
| It is a drop in the bucket compared to the spending that we do on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. | ||
| And until we fix those policies, until we fix those problems, they can holler all they want. | ||
| But it doesn't change the long-term outlook. | ||
| This is just a scare tactic because they don't want to lose the money that they're getting from discretionary spending, from the pork that they put into the things that they can, the bills that they can put the garbage stuff into. | ||
| They don't want to lose that slush fund. | ||
| That's why we need Maha. | ||
| I mean, I love this idea as well. | ||
| When we talked to... | ||
| Talk to RFK at the Libertarian Convention. | ||
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Shut down the Senate! | |
| Oh, this again. | ||
| There's a third surge playing with my mind. | ||
| Oh, there's a fourth time. | ||
| I mean, to be fair, I would kind of be down to shut down the Senate, but... | ||
| What do you mean exactly? | ||
| Also, what does that even mean? | ||
| Wait, to talk more about Maha, you were just bringing up RFK. We talked to RFK at the Libertarian National Convention. | ||
| I asked him, I said, hey, what is your plan? | ||
| Because he was still running for president. | ||
| He wasn't on board with Donald Trump yet. | ||
| I said to him, look, the biggest problem, the only existential threat that actually faces the United States right now is mandatory spending, is Social Security and... | ||
| Medicare and Medicaid. | ||
| Those are actual existential threats. | ||
| There is nothing else, in my opinion, maybe nuclear war is an existential threat, but that's it. | ||
| The only existential threat that we face is the unfunded liabilities. | ||
| And so I asked him, I was like, hey, you know, what do you plan to do about these situations? | ||
| And so I don't think that he was quite prepared for the... | ||
| The question, because I think that people don't tend to ask that much because it's such a third rail question. | ||
| But he did say, he's like, look, we need to make America healthy again. | ||
| We need to get people off this terrible food. | ||
| We need to lower the obesity rate. | ||
| We need to get rid of, we need to get people that are developing, prevent people that are developing diabetes from developing diabetes. | ||
| And he's relating all of these Illnesses that people are getting that are unique to our society and to our time. | ||
| And he's saying these things will actually affect the cost of Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security in the future. | ||
| And while I don't think that's a comprehensive repair or fix, there is validity to the argument that the fewer people you have that are sick when they're older because they end up getting onto some kind of for the rest of your life medication, the better it is for the... | ||
| It is funny to me, too, that they're melting down about what unelected people and billionaires controlling the government. | ||
| Like, have you ever seen a better case of projection? | ||
| Their entire party is run by billionaires and unelected bureaucrats. | ||
| I would argue our billionaires are better and our unelected bureaucrats are better. | ||
| The entire Joe Biden presidency Joe Biden was not running. | ||
| He was dead. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He was dead. | ||
| It's infuriating. | ||
| He could have been and it really wouldn't have been a different. | ||
| But I also do think anytime I see what we're talking about how just horrible the status quo is when it comes to all things healthcare or just fiscally how irresponsible we are. | ||
| I remember in 2016 when President Trump, controversially, he told black people, he was like, you know, what do you have to lose? | ||
| And I kind of feel like in some ways. | ||
| That approach has now metastasized to like every corner of President Trump's approach to this administration. | ||
| And I think it's very valid, right? | ||
| It's like fiscally. | ||
| What do we have to lose? | ||
| It's not going well. | ||
| You don't have the moral superiority or the fiscal solvency superiority to say that, oh, no, no, you've got to stay out of this building. | ||
| You don't know what you're doing. | ||
| It's like, actually, you guys have had the keys to the kingdom, the castle, for a really long time, and you guys have screwed up for a really long time. | ||
| Same with the health care stuff. | ||
| So I think it's like, what does America have to lose? | ||
| I mean, yes, obviously a lot, but on the other hand, a continuation of what the status quo is also, it's not gonna, doesn't work. | ||
| Well, the continuation of the status quo ends up exactly what she was saying Musk would do, right? | ||
| She's saying, look, he's gonna take away your Social Security, he's gonna take away your Medicare, he's gonna take away your Medicaid. | ||
| Well, if we continue down the path that we're on, then the U.S. becomes insolvent, and those programs end. | ||
| So they go away. | ||
| So either way, either there is an attempt to fix it by some administration at some point, and it's going to have to take changes, and I don't claim to know how to fix it, but either there is an attempt to fix it, and there's going to be serious changes, or it actually goes away because people stop lending the United States money. | ||
| And the value of the dollar goes away because people don't believe in the value of the dollar anymore. | ||
| Because the U.S. is, like, the dollar's backed up by nuclear weapons. | ||
| Yeah, Rubio said in five years we're not even going to be talking about tariffs because the U.S. dollar's not going to have that kind of influence anymore. | ||
| He said that, I think, a couple days ago or yesterday. | ||
| So, like, we should have at some point a Medicare or Medicaid expert in the room, because I have questions, like, how much of the money that we're, our tax money that we're giving to Medicare and Medicaid end up in pharmaceutical hands or in health insurance company hands, like private industry hands? | ||
| What percentage of that? | ||
| The government doesn't provide health insurance. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| The government doesn't provide health care. | ||
| The government doesn't provide drugs. | ||
| The government doesn't provide doctors. | ||
| The government doesn't provide any of that. | ||
| It's all the private industry that does that. | ||
| So the government just pays for it. | ||
| All universal health care would be is the government writes the check for people. | ||
| And if you don't have a market, then that just means that the government pays whatever the... | ||
| Companies say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How much of it is overspending, is overexpenditure? | ||
| That's what I want to know. | ||
| I want to look at the books and be like, are we spending through Medicare $80 for aspirin? | ||
| Because we just can print the money and it makes everybody rich and then the person gets their free aspirin? | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That needs to be changed. | ||
| I don't see how that would even hurt the American citizen getting the aspirin. | ||
| It would just derail the insurance companies or the medicine companies or something, which obviously... | ||
| He's another third rail. | ||
| You heard at the RFK's hearings, everybody that is against RFK was coming down on him, and then if you look at the people that were funding these senators, their candidacies, they were all getting tons of money from pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| It shocked me when Elizabeth Warren expressed concern that if RFK gets in, that he's going to end up suing Vaccine companies. | ||
| That was a bad thing. | ||
| She wants to prevent him from suing any pharmaceutical company. | ||
| That's what she was looking for. | ||
| She wanted a commitment from him that he would not sue any pharmaceutical company for any reason. | ||
| For the next eight years. | ||
| Our government needs the ability to sue private companies and they can go to court and they can win the suit if they're in the right. | ||
| And we assume the lawsuit will fail, and they will not get anything from them. | ||
| But we need that ability. | ||
| So that was just mind-blowing that those guys are pro-vaccine companies right now. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I guess you said they're getting paid. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, they all have... | ||
| Donations from pharmaceuticals? | ||
| You said, Natalie, this is like a lot of projections, saying that we're in some sort of economic coup right now, because it's very plainly, we suffered an economic coup in 1913, and it's been ongoing. | ||
| The Federal Reserve was an economic coup. | ||
| They tried to actually stage a real coup when they did the business plot, and they wanted to march hundreds of thousands of soldiers on Washington, D.C. in 1932, 1933, whenever the business plot was. | ||
| Like, legit, these banksters have been formating a coup for like 100 years. | ||
| And it's just time that that ends. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Not just that. | ||
| We need to create something better. | ||
| We can't just end it. | ||
| If we end it, it's over. | ||
| You need to create something better. | ||
| And hopefully that's what's happening. | ||
| Nothing too big too fast. | ||
| That's why I'm a little concerned that things happen too big too fast. | ||
| But, oh, there, slow down. | ||
| Maybe it is time to do some big drastic things. | ||
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| I'm not behind the scenes on it. | ||
| Graphene standard instead of the gold standard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, we're entering the carbon age. | ||
| We're going to go ahead and jump on to this next story. | ||
| From Newsweek, Elon Musk takes aim at Reddit. | ||
| Elon Musk has taken aim at Reddit after some of his site's moderators introduced on Blinks2x, formerly Twitter, in protest over his alleged Nazi salute during an event for President Donald Trump's inauguration. | ||
| Newsweek has contacted Reddit for comment via email. | ||
| It comes after the billionaire and self-proclaimed free speech absolutist took aim at Wikipedia after the online encyclopedia's 2023-24 annual report showed 29% of its budget had been spent on equity and safety and inclusion. | ||
| Why does an online encyclopedia need 30% of its budget spent on equity and safety and inclusion? | ||
| Because it's really that important. | ||
| You have no idea how important it is. | ||
| Super, super. | ||
| Because they're probably hiring a bunch of unqualified people to do it, so they have to hire 300 people. | ||
| It's about as left-wing as you can get. | ||
| I think people who want to work in the fields of equity, it's probably self-selecting for, shall we say, not the brightest. | ||
| I imagine so. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Part of the reason why, so this is what Newsweek is saying about the whole situation with Reddit, but the actual situation stems from, if I understand correctly, people on Reddit have been trying to attack or advocating people attack the people in Doge, attack Musk himself. | ||
| Indy100 says, They have broken the law. | ||
| A Reddit page banned after facing criticism from Musk. | ||
| They go on to say, A Reddit page which Elon Musk called out over threats of violence to staff members at the Department of Government Efficiency has been temporarily banned. | ||
| Taking to his social media platform, formerly X Twitter, the billionaire reshared a post from the account Reddit Lies, which gathered a number of screenshots from the white people Twitter subreddit, where users called for the public execution of Doge software developers. | ||
| Some of the screenshots say Muskrat's Doge henchmen have been identified. | ||
| It's time to do more than dragging names. | ||
| Let's drag their necks up by a large coil of ropes. | ||
| Time to hunt. | ||
| I'll say it. | ||
| This Nazi stooge needs to be. | ||
| I'm not going to say that. | ||
| And other comments sharing a similar sentiment. | ||
| This is this is typical of the left. | ||
| We see the way that the imagery and comments are made about Donald Trump. | ||
| Whether it be his first time in office, the actual attacks on his life after when he was on the campaign trail, and this kind of stuff now being thrown about must. | ||
| The left is completely prepared or completely comfortable with making threats and carrying them out. | ||
| A lot of people like to blame the right and say the right does this and the right does that. | ||
| In the past five years, the number of violent attacks from the left, there have to be hundreds and hundreds when you consider the 2020 summer of riots that happened. | ||
| So, I mean, it shouldn't be something that is normal, but it is something that's become normal. | ||
| I'm sort of an absolutist. | ||
| With the First Amendment. | ||
| So, like, this Reddit's a private company, and they can ban whoever they want at any time for any reason. | ||
| Which, okay, fine. | ||
| Technically, from what I understand about making threats, if it's an imminent threat, meaning that there is a place, a person, and a time, then that is illegal. | ||
| Otherwise, if you say, we should go commit the thing against the person, like, that's legal. | ||
| You're allowed to do that. | ||
| As horrible as it is, like, pull up the guy's name and say, we should do the violent thing, that's legal. | ||
| But it can definitely lead towards an incision of the action, which is a problem, obviously. | ||
| And that's what social media administrators constantly wrestle with, is like, how do we stop this from getting out of hand? | ||
| You know, these little fires are okay, but the big one, the imminent call to violence. | ||
| Well, there have been two, you know, there were two attempts on Donald Trump's life, just this. | ||
| You know, just last fall, or last summer and fall. | ||
| So this is a real... | ||
| What was that? | ||
| I was going to say, I am glad, though, that the media is really now opposed to censorship. | ||
| That's a newfound sentiment. | ||
| I didn't know they were so mad about Reddit communities getting banned, but I think you even see it in that headline that you almost, or just add up, but the way that they're framing it, right, is that... | ||
| Basically, Reddit is cratering to Elon Musk because he dared to expose it. | ||
| And I think that that's sort of the broader news cycle, which is the idea of what they call it on the left of anticipatory obedience, where these sort of left wing media outlets are settling with President Trump or all the big tech oligarchs, the overlords, right, are giving in to President Trump. | ||
| They're sort of bending the knee. | ||
| And I think that this story, the only reason that they're really covering it is because it's like, look. | ||
| Another tech platform is, you know, falling victim to evil, oligarchic Elon Musk, which we can debate the legitimacy of that, but I don't think they really care about a Reddit community. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| For context, I brought up the actual Reddit lies post in question. | ||
| But, you know, you can see these are shall we storm the White House, storm the White House, storm the White House, angry mob enters the White House, let's storm the White House. | ||
| These kind of posts are the kind of thing That will get the attention of the Secret Service Like they will go ahead And I'm sure that If these Redditors If they I'm not sure how Reddit actually You know logs people's IPs and stuff like that but I would not be surprised At all if the Secret Service Makes some phone calls and these people get You know get a phone call and a Visit from the Secret Service Like a | ||
| Probable cause kind of thing. | ||
| You can't go arrest someone for saying that on Reddit, I know, legally, but these are the kind of rooms that Reddit will ban. | ||
| Frequently. | ||
| People that talk like this on Reddit, those pages get shut down because Reddit doesn't tolerate that kind of crap for the most part. | ||
| But you think it's reasonable for the Secret Service or the FBI to put a bug on someone's phone if they talk like this online? | ||
| I'm not saying that it's reasonable. | ||
| I'm saying that's what will happen. | ||
| I'm not making a call about whether or not they should. | ||
| I'm saying that they will. | ||
| They have done that in the past. | ||
| This is the kind of thing that will get their attention. | ||
| I mean, two assassination attempts on the president and then this online. | ||
| You'd be stupid. | ||
| And there are constantly people that are saying things. | ||
| They're arresting someone like every other day at DCA, choose your weapon, trying to kill, and then choose your cabinet secretary. | ||
| It's absolutely insane. | ||
| But they're doxing like young... | ||
| Kids, young boys, the pictures, their faces. | ||
| But even, too, I forget what media outlet it was, but they put out a long-form article, too. | ||
| I think that was sort of the genesis of a lot of this. | ||
| So it's not just like random Reddit anonymous accounts. | ||
| We love anonymous Redditors, but some legacy media outlet, I forget, published the story, kind of initially doxing them, which obviously they dox people all the time. | ||
| But I think the mainstream media also has some blame for this too, right? | ||
| They turned the heat on Doge for a while. | ||
| They've made people think that Doge is like the evil authoritarian, like Jen Psaki was just saying, hostile takeover of the United States of America. | ||
| So of course these people who've drank all the, you know, democracy Kool-Aid, they can't foment like they were doing during the election season over, oh, we must get Trump, we must get Trump. | ||
| So now the next best, the next greatest enemy that they can go after and that's probably more proximal and I think like an actual entity that they think they can probably have a victory against because in their eyes it's unconstitutional. | ||
| It's extra legal. | ||
| There's all the lawsuits going on right now. | ||
| They're like very, very focused on Doge and I think they just have Elon Musk derangement syndrome. | ||
| Do you think that part of the reason why they're so focused on Doge is because Doge has been so quick to act and so successful? - I think the doge paradigm is I think it's two main factors. | ||
| One... | ||
| I think it's actually a really smart issue that Republicans have sort of seized and really won on the messaging side of things, which is the waste, fraud, and abuse, but also the really evil, sinister, nefarious spending of, like, I don't know, funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology over in China. | ||
| That's something that the American people don't want to support. | ||
| You'd be hard-pressed to find an American citizen who doesn't want to keep more of their tax dollars, right? | ||
| So that's a winning issue. | ||
| So they have to take it away from us somehow. | ||
| And the way that they do it is by smearing like what we were talking about before, this idea of the democracy playbook, the authoritarian playbook, where they have to sort of reorient Doge through the lens of, oh, it's not actually about cutting government spending or saving you tax dollars. | ||
| It's about giving Elon Musk and his super wealthy buddies, you know, more government contracts or getting their tax cuts, which is sort of, I think, the newfound iteration of, oh, Republicans only represent the rich. | ||
| They just want to get your tax cuts. | ||
| And I just I reject that framing. | ||
| I reject. | ||
| Personally, again, the Elon Musk issue is complex and you can have that debate. | ||
| But I think they have to put it in the category of this man is an authoritarian. | ||
| This man was not democratically elected because it's such a winning issue for us. | ||
| And even, too, you see it. | ||
| Democrats are trying to get in on the Doge caucus stuff because they know it's very politically salient. | ||
| But then the media is like, no, no, no. | ||
| This is all a scam. | ||
| It's all a racket. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But again, I reject the premise. | ||
| I reject the framing. | ||
| Elon Musk was a very visible on the campaign trail. | ||
| B, they've been talking. | ||
| Dozier's like probably the most tweeted and talked about word the entire election cycle. | ||
| So it's not like this is something that President Trump is springing on the American people. | ||
| It's literally what the American people voted for. | ||
| Yeah, I get the sense that you don't get you might not even get Donald Trump in the White House again if it were not for the efforts of Elon Musk. | ||
| No, I think that that rationale is twofold. | ||
| One, and again, just because he played an instrumental role, it doesn't mean that he's the shadow president. | ||
| It gives him a voice at the table, right? | ||
| Like, it does anyone who's played a significant role. | ||
| But I think one is obviously the ground game in Pennsylvania, and I think his mind and the people around him realize that, you know, we're not just going to waste a bunch of money on ads. | ||
| It's about knocking on doors. | ||
| It's our actual mobilizing grassroots. | ||
| About Scott Pressler. | ||
| Right, it's that kind of stuff. | ||
| But then there's the ideological component, too, which is bringing on the dose. | ||
| And again, but I think the Doge stuff is particularly unique because it's not just about the tired trope that congressional Republicans have been doing for decades, which is, oh, we're going to cut, you know, sending $10,000 to fund a musical in Afghanistan. | ||
| It's like, yes, of course, that's bad. | ||
| But that's not the root of the issue. | ||
| The root of the issue is that we have a horrible, horrific health care system here and we're subsidizing and bankrolling the pension funds and the public health care systems of the entirety of Europe. | ||
| Well, they're not giving anything to NATO and we're being forced to pick up the bill. | ||
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| It's an entire reorientation of not just the economy here at home, but internationally. | ||
| And that's why President Trump's tariffs work so beautifully in that sort of like, you know, Monroe Doctrine-esque reversal of the idea that... | ||
| Let's use economic warfare. | ||
| Let's use our economic heavyweight prowess to actually wage war on behalf of the American people and not against the American people like Joe Biden and Democrats and establishment Republicans have been doing for so long. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I heard you kind of... | ||
| I guess not really a caveat, but question whether Musk is a good thing or a bad thing. | ||
| Steve Bannon is actually kind of critical. | ||
| On a bit of a war path, shall we say. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| On a little bit of a war path. | ||
| You saw his interview with the New York Times. | ||
| Well, look, I think his business, you know, complex of interest with China is a staunch CCP hawk. | ||
| That's something that I don't particularly like, knowing how China operates. | ||
| I don't necessarily think that we need to be subsidizing Elon Musk's space adventures, right? | ||
| Like you were saying, there's issues that are more, I think, important here at home. | ||
| And frankly, I just sort of reject the transhumanism angle of it, too, which isn't just unique to Elon Musk. | ||
| I think it's just kind of the Silicon Valley ethos. | ||
| You know, I just think it's a little, like... | ||
| And frankly, too, the H-1B stuff, we were very staunchly against that. | ||
| The H-1B visa is predicated entirely on a lie. | ||
| We are not, A, importing the best and brightest at all. | ||
| Look at the numbers. | ||
| It's 80% are in the Tier 1 category. | ||
| They're making less than the 50% wage mark. | ||
| And even if you set aside the best and brightest, there's no shortage. | ||
| In the same way that the idea that... | ||
| I know we're on YouTube. | ||
| I caught myself. | ||
| But in the same way that a lot of the propaganda that we are fed from Congress is all lobbyist white papers that's then presented as fact or, oh, well, the Brookings Institution of the Atlantic Council put out a paper, so it must be true. | ||
| It's all BS to push an agenda. | ||
| The idea that we even had a shortage of workers that we need to import a bunch of people from backwards countries that don't even speak English is also completely bogus at face value. | ||
| I think one in two people who graduate with STEM degrees will never actually work in STEM. Now, I bring up all those points just to say that the facts are conclusively on our side on the H-1B visa debate. | ||
| So it's not a fact thing. | ||
| It's an ideology thing. | ||
| And I think that moment was very clarifying in the sense that they view the goal of, I think, their movement is to sort of maximize the profits of their companies, their corporations, which is fine for them. | ||
| It's not necessarily good for the American people. | ||
| But more acutely, I think that they have sort of an idea where they can like terraform the workforce here in the United States and that citizenship and that American identity doesn't matter. | ||
| Because if they think that, oh, well, we could maximize productivity by replacing every legacy American with some Indian person who doesn't speak English. | ||
| Well, yeah, you probably maybe – still, I would reject the science on that, that it's going to be better. | ||
| But yeah, I'm sure you could maybe have a more productive society. | ||
| But it's not all about productivity. | ||
| There's something unique about being an American, and I think that moment sort of encapsulates the tension that we have with, like, the Elon Musk brigade. | ||
| But that being said, it's not like Elon Musk is coming in and, like, commandeering it, right? | ||
| He has a seat at the table. | ||
| Steve Bannon and Bannon, everyone has a seat at the table. | ||
| The MAGA movement is a very diverse, in a good way, coalition, so we can have these debates. | ||
| But I think their framing takes it too far, but you can still criticize Elon Musk, and we have. | ||
| With the argument that productivity is not the end goal, that it's not always good just to maximize productivity. | ||
| We used to joke, a friend of mine in college, about efficiency. | ||
| He'd be like, oh, that's very efficient. | ||
| Like the Nazis, because they were extremely productive and efficient, but you saw what that led to. | ||
| Well, it's good that they're being efficient with our tax dollars. | ||
| Like, yes, that's a paradigm where efficiency matters. | ||
| Again, the variable being what they're using it for, sure. | ||
| I would argue they're quite efficient at weaponizing, right, the government against us. | ||
| Like, they had no issue there. | ||
| They just seemed to not be very efficient with actually putting out policies that put the American people first. | ||
| But I think my just bigger issue more... | ||
| More broadly with the whole Elon things in terms of this paradigm of efficiency is just... | ||
| I don't know how to put it, but I just don't... | ||
| I don't think that the issue at the end of the day when you're looking at what it means to be an American is like... | ||
| How can we drive the profits of multinational corporations? | ||
| I would rather live in a town and a community where, okay, maybe my DoorDash driver is not totally automated and a robot's not bringing me food, but at least I know my neighbors and I'm not living in a bug pod with a bunch of people from every other country except the United States that doesn't speak English that, again, I would argue they're not even necessarily better at the job that I'm doing. | ||
| And also, too, I think to the other point, this idea of efficiency. | ||
| Which, again, I'm not a Luddite, though. | ||
| I guess I kind of am. | ||
| But what has Silicon Valley become really efficient in? | ||
| Okay, they're now using AI to engage in, like, social listening per the World Health Organization so they can censor us more effectively. | ||
| Like, again, I'm not anti-technological advancement and development, but, you know, I'm so glad that Pfizer has become really efficient in creating more vaccines. | ||
| Like, I'm so glad that we've become really efficient in, what, pandemic prevention? | ||
| Well, they didn't really do a good job of that a few years ago. | ||
| So I just think that sometimes we cede a lot of ground to them on the idea that, like, The tech bubble is something that needs to be allowed to flourish freely, which is what Obama did, right? | ||
| They were like, look, we're not going to regulate you. | ||
| You can get away literally with murder. | ||
| We'll give you all the money you want. | ||
| Just, hey, don't use that money against us, right? | ||
| Be our biggest fans. | ||
| And they have been. | ||
| Larry Ellison, who's the – well, he's the chairman of Oracle now. | ||
| He's like one of the founders of Oracle. | ||
| Fourth richest man in the world on paper. | ||
| He's one of Trump's three AI advisor guys that they – They're paying, you know, this, what is it called, Project Stargate, where they're, like, supercharging the AI. He's like, we're going to use AI. Larry Ellison is like, we're going to use AI to watch everyone. | ||
| And so criminals will be afraid to commit crimes, and people will be afraid to deviate from doing what they're supposed to do, and, like, in the name of efficiency. | ||
| And I agree with you that, like, life and the glory of being human is not about being the most efficient you can be. | ||
| A lot of it is about the exploration of reality. | ||
| It's very authoritarian and totalitarian, like, in a weird way, like, a roundabout way. | ||
| It's very, like, for lack of a better word, like, Chinese. | ||
| Like, you're living in China, right? | ||
| Like, you're living in your, like, crappy government housing, and you're, you know, there's, it's just all dark and gray and gross. | ||
| I've been to China, like, and it's, you exist to further the state. | ||
| There's no independence. | ||
| There's no autonomy. | ||
| And frankly, too, I also think I would take the other angle of, like, This country was founded on the idea of the importance of community and the importance of Christianity and religion and having a full life, right? | ||
| The idea of community was always something that was very, very important. | ||
| And of course, arts and culture, just look at the American literary canon, right? | ||
| And that's the American experiment and the American experience. | ||
| So if anyone, Vivek included, wants to go and sort of dictate... | ||
| To us what it means to be an American as more or less, I'm sorry, but like kind of a foreigner. | ||
| It's like you don't get to tell us. | ||
| He was born in Ohio. | ||
| I was a son of immigrants. | ||
| I'm just saying like, you know, you don't get to tell people who've been in this country for 200 years like what it means to be an American when you're a newer generation American, especially when what you're saying is extremely insulting to the founding. | ||
| Principles of this country. | ||
| And if you want to do that, if you want to go maximize profits and not have sleepovers and just focus on your children being like little bug men who all they care about is, you know, getting good grades so they can, what, go to a really elite institution where they're not going to learn anything and then become a slave at a tech company that would replace them in a second and they're going to, what, code programs that destroy this country, then like... | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I'm not saying go do that in your home country. | ||
| I'm not trying to go viral. | ||
| But like, go do that in a country that has that as their tradition. | ||
| That's not what this country is about. | ||
| And I think that's the sort of fundamental tension. | ||
| And I'm not going to be lectured by people who, I'm not going to say are less American than I am, but I'm just saying by people who have a really perverse view of what it means to be. | ||
| It's as offensive as when the DACA dreamers stand up there and demand, we're American, you have to give us this, you have to give us citizenship. | ||
| Excuse me? | ||
| Where do you get off telling me what to do? | ||
| You're not American. | ||
| Have you always been a Luddite? | ||
| Me? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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| You're referring to Vivek's tweet that kind of got heat at the end of December? | ||
| I do, yes. | ||
| He wrote that long tweet about basically making children more efficient, making them more business-minded in the math and science. | ||
| And he literally said, less sleepovers on the weekends, more math class. | ||
| I don't know how he worded it. | ||
| And I think maybe not... | ||
| Necessarily go do that in your own country. | ||
| Do kumon, not sleepover. | ||
| Human? | ||
| The food? | ||
| No, kumon. | ||
| You know, the, like, math tutoring? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But, like, I say do that in your own family. | ||
| Like, that's the thing about the United States. | ||
| If you want to have a family of, like, math and scientists, do that. | ||
| And then I could have a family of artists that, like, take three times longer to get anything done. | ||
| But that's kind of what makes... | ||
| Life worth living in a lot of ways. | ||
| You know, the beautification of things. | ||
| The wisdom of taking your time and maybe making a mistake. | ||
| You need to make room for error in systems. | ||
| If systems always work all the time, they can be heavily utilized to destroy. | ||
| You need room for corruption in systems. | ||
| You need failures to happen for gross, evil systems to break. | ||
| Like, it's the only way. | ||
| And I think that's kind of what the arts is. | ||
| Anyway, I digress. | ||
| All right, well, I think that we've got time for one more. | ||
| Hot enough takes for you guys? | ||
| Very hot. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Meta, so there's been a lot of talk about Delaware. | ||
| Meta has said, from the New York Times, Meta said to explore incorporating in a different state. | ||
| The owner of Facebook and Instagram is incorporating in Delaware, but is incorporated in Delaware, excuse me, but is considering a change. | ||
| Its corporate headquarters would remain in Silicon Valley, people with knowledge of the matter said. | ||
| This all stems back to the issue with Tesla, Let's see if they talk about it. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Meta, the owner of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp, is considering changing where it is incorporated from Delaware to another state, two people with knowledge of the matter said. | ||
| The company is looking at Texas and a handful of other states, said the people who were not authorized to speak on confidential discussions. | ||
| The process is at an early stage and no decision has been made, they added. | ||
| Meta's corporate headquarters would remain in Melno Park, California. | ||
| Meta has been going through a corporate overhaul under Mark Zuckerberg. | ||
| The company's founder and chief executive, Mr. Zuckerberg, has spent the last two years making workforce cuts. | ||
| So that the company will operate more quickly and efficiently. | ||
| More recently, he has aggressively courted President Trump and policymakers in Washington as they set an agenda for issues such as antitrust and artificial intelligence, which will affect the biggest tech firms. | ||
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| Do they talk about it? | ||
| I want to bring up... | ||
| Okay, right here. | ||
| Last year, Elon Musk's private rocket company SpaceX switched to its incorporation to Texas from Delaware. | ||
| Mr. Musk made the move weeks after a Delaware judge voided his pay package at Tesla, the electric vehicle maker that he leads. | ||
| That case was brought by Tesla shareholders who were challenging a stock options package that allowed Mr. Musk to acquire 304 million Tesla shares at a preset price if the company achieved certain goals. | ||
| The judge ruled that Mr. Musk had effectively overseen his own compensation plan valued at more than $50 billion at the time with the help of compliant board members. | ||
| Of course, the New York Times is doing its best to misrepresent what's going on. | ||
| The goals that Tesla had to achieve when they... | ||
| When Musk presented the idea to the shareholders, the goals were ridiculous, and no one thought that it was possible. | ||
| And so Musk was like, I don't want to get paid at all unless we reach these goals. | ||
| And when they did, everyone that was a shareholder was massively rich. | ||
| They made a ton of money. | ||
| They made a massive gain on their investment. | ||
| And the only people that were against this are people that are actually against Musk ideologically. | ||
| So there wasn't a lot of people that brought the suit against Musk. | ||
| If I understand correctly, it was someone that owned a few shares, maybe a couple hundred shares or something like that, but it wasn't someone that owned a lot of Tesla stock. | ||
| And this judge was also a Democrat appointed by, I think, the Obama administration. | ||
| Essentially, it was an ideological situation. | ||
| And now, Delaware is reaping the benefits of that, which is people are beginning to leave Delaware. | ||
| If you own a business, historically, Delaware has kind of been the place to go and incorporate. | ||
| I have a few businesses that are incorporated in Delaware for the band. | ||
| And now... | ||
| People are leaving because you can't trust the government. | ||
| One of the things that is absolutely vital for a functioning society is property rights. | ||
| This kind of misjudgment or this kind of judgment against people that knowingly entered into an agreement with Musk. | ||
| The shareholders were all... | ||
| The board was fine with it. | ||
| But this kind of... | ||
| You can't... | ||
| You know, you can't, we're going to declare that this agreement is void because a judge said so. | ||
| That's the kind of thing that will destroy an economy. | ||
| And when you see it, or you see it right now, that's why companies are leaving. | ||
| And granted, these companies aren't doing considerable business in Delaware, but no one's going to be going to Delaware to say, hey, we want to go in there. | ||
| This is the same kind of thing that Mr. Wonderful, Kevin Leary I think is his name, he was warning about when it came to the Mar-a-Lago case in New York. | ||
| If your property, if you cannot rely on the government to treat your property fairly and adjudicate disagreements fairly, people will not do business. | ||
| And this is why socialist countries that don't... | ||
| Respect property rights. | ||
| This is why they get into economic downward spirals. | ||
| Because if you don't respect people's property rights, if the government just takes your property for no reason, dictators do this too, then nobody that has any kind of money or any kind of value is going to put that money into your country or into your jurisdiction because it's not safe. | ||
| People don't want to invest in an area if they know that they're likely to lose the investment. | ||
| I like that you liken property. | ||
| You use the word property. | ||
| It's not just about land and houses and cars. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| It's about money, like your assets, your stock. | ||
| That's a type of property. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, so like from my perspective, like everything is about property, right? | ||
| So your body is your property. | ||
| So your future is your property. | ||
| The past that you lived, the things that you own are physical manifestation. | ||
| Of things that you did in the past. | ||
| So that's what property comes from. | ||
| Your future, if someone murders you, they take your property because they take your future. | ||
| If someone takes you and kidnaps you and throws you in jail, they take your present, which is also your property. | ||
| If people expropriate things that you have earned and worked for, they're taking your past. | ||
| These are all manifestations in physical reality of your property. | ||
| They're manifestations of your life. | ||
| So that's how... | ||
| To me, that's how property, that's how I work out property. | ||
| I've heard that the places to incorporate are Texas and Nevada. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Nevada? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| We're talking highly of it, I think. | ||
| Definitely Texas. | ||
| For whatever reason, I haven't looked into the corporate law there. | ||
| I thought Wyoming looked kind of promising for crypto laws, but that was like five years ago. | ||
| I don't know how that's evolved in the last five years. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't have a lot to say about this story, except good for Mark. | ||
| I'm glad that they're waking up, or at least they're taking charge and control and getting out of Delaware. | ||
| I guess Delaware's so 1980s. | ||
| I mean, I just think it's a cautionary tale to anyone that would... | ||
| Anyone that has a left-leaning, economic, an emotional... | ||
| Affinity to left-leaning economics. | ||
| There are reasons why things like property rights are vital for functioning societies. | ||
| And if you don't have secure property rights, you are not going to have a functioning society. | ||
| You see it in all the people that have moved out of California. | ||
| If you have a business and people go and they steal your stuff and the government doesn't do anything about it, businesses leave. | ||
| Because their property rights are not protected by the government. | ||
| Property rights are the foundation of Western society. | ||
| People oftentimes don't think about them or give them the credit they deserve. | ||
| But if you don't, if your government doesn't secure property rights, your society will fall. | ||
| Your society will not stand for long. | ||
| It'll turn into an... | ||
| It's an absolute mess, and that's part of the reason why there are so many basket case countries all over the world, because dictatorships don't respect property rights. | ||
| They're like, well, it's my kingdom or it's mine, and so I'm going to take this if I feel like it, and you end up with dictatorships that have horrible economies. | ||
| It's not pretty what happens when you have a government that doesn't respect property rights, and it is an innovation. | ||
| We were talking about the Magna Carta the other night, but that was one of the things in the Magna Carta that the Englishman demanded the king secure, the right of property, the right to say this is yours and I'm not going to take it just because I'm the king and I want it. | ||
| You know, Englishman, that was an innovation and it was something that made for Western society as we know it. | ||
| Yeah, when you were saying the king can take all the property, I thought of Saudi Arabia. | ||
| But then I thought of England, and I was like, it's a different kind of king. | ||
| That is a different kind of monarchy. | ||
| The kingdom in Saudi Arabia, they could. | ||
| They don't, but they could. | ||
| They don't because they know what happens. | ||
| They know that it'll destroy society. | ||
| But also, there's so much money because of oil in Saudi Arabia. | ||
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| The royal family's worth $1.4 trillion on the books, and that's like 15,000 people, or 1,500 or 15,000. | ||
| I don't want to get that magnitude wrong. | ||
| A lot of princes. | ||
| $1.4 trillion, and the king's only worth like $3 billion or $6 billion on paper? | ||
| I think the king can take the money from his family if he really wants to. | ||
| If I understand correctly, and I'm not an expert on Saudi Arabia, but if I understand correctly, he does have ultimate authority in Saudi Arabia. | ||
| If he says... | ||
| Put that man to death, that man gets their, you know, that happens. | ||
| If I understand, I could be wrong. | ||
| I don't know a lot about Saudi Arabia, but it's a place where, you know, if you cross the wrong person, you're going to have a bad time. | ||
| He killed the one thing they had going for them, which was no women driving. | ||
| But to that point, I do think this story... | ||
| It's interesting, much like you're focusing on the property protection angle. | ||
| I also think it's just in general, like the rule of law, the continued weaponization of the legal system. | ||
| And I think there's a strong parallel when a lot of people were fed up with what New York was doing to President Trump and people were kind of like, we're over it, we don't want to be here. | ||
| It's basically the same thing, which is the perversion of courts, whether it's against President Trump, against various companies. | ||
| And I think President Trump kind of like... | ||
| He stood up to it, right? | ||
| He represented, like, actually, you can push back. | ||
| You don't have to take it. | ||
| So it's from the tech bros, so I think you're usually a little weak. | ||
| It's nice to see them standing up, or at least trying to. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, we're going to go to Super Chats, I think. | ||
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| Schlip says, did you see that Mississippi federal court ruled the federal machine gun ban unconstitutional? | ||
| It is applied, so don't go to anything stupid yet. | ||
| Apparently, that is not only, that's not the first one, that's the second one, the second machine gun case that has been ruled unconstitutional under the Bruin finding. | ||
| It is definitely... | ||
| Going to be an issue if you think, oh, I'll just go ahead and I'll make my machine gun myself. | ||
| Like, that is going to be illegal. | ||
| You are going to get in trouble. | ||
| But these kind of precedents possibly could lead to the repeal of the Hughes Amendment from the Sportsman Protection Act of 1986, which Ronald Reagan so callously signed and took away our right to own new machine guns. | ||
| So yes, I did see it. | ||
| That's a great thing. | ||
| And hopefully they will rethink the prohibition on machine guns. | ||
| Because right now, you know, all over Chicago there are crazy criminals with Glocks that are fully automatic. | ||
| Just rip-roaring. | ||
| And I want a fully automatic Glock, but I can't have one. | ||
| Because I follow the law. | ||
| Which is what I have to do. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| Shane H. Wilder says, Hey guys, can I get some prayers? | ||
| My priest passed away last week. | ||
| His vigil is tomorrow night, and funeral is Thursday. | ||
| Thank you all, and God bless. | ||
| I'm sorry to hear that, man. | ||
| If you are a praying kind of person, Shane H. Wilder is a regular viewer and very active in the Discord, and he actually is regularly popping into PCC. He's got a great X account, too. | ||
| Check him out. | ||
| Follow him. | ||
| Yeah, you should give him a follow, Shane H. Wilder, on X. If you've got some prayers, sure. | ||
| Notabot says, Have you guys looked into the Moss Landing fire? | ||
| Renewable Energy just had their Three Mile Island event. | ||
| I have not. | ||
| Does anyone know anything about that? | ||
| No, I haven't heard of that. | ||
| I have not. | ||
| I don't know anything about this at all. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Unfortunately, we'll have to look into that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Milo Hoffman says, Nick Fuentes is more right every night than anyone on IRL has been all year. | ||
| Serge, I don't know why you do this. | ||
| Serge. | ||
| Here's the Moss Landing fire. | ||
| The Moss Landing Vistra power plant in Monterey County, California began on January 16th and burned for several days. | ||
| I don't know a lot about it. | ||
| Alex Van Roy said, Pam Bondi just got confirmed for U.S. Attorney General, LFG. Yes, and RFK got through his first round of confirmation, and so did Tulsi. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| Promising. | ||
| Just Cause I'm Free says, remember, Trump is famous for the big ass before negotiations. | ||
| Next, there will be a peace deal between Palestine and Israel. | ||
| Ah, look, man. | ||
| I know that Trump is famous for the big ask, but I don't know that there's going to be a two-state solution. | ||
| I don't think the Palestinians want a two-state solution. | ||
| I don't think Israel wants a two-state solution. | ||
| I would like to be proven wrong. | ||
| Does anyone have some input on that one? | ||
| The old... | ||
| Palestinian government, before Hamas, wanted a two-state solution. | ||
| I think it was Yasser, was it Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian Liberation Organist PLO? Yeah. | ||
| And then they were kind of, then apparently, as the news dictates, the Israelis propped up Hamas to fight against the PLO, and then they created division within that entity that wanted the two-state solution, and then Hamas won out, and they no longer wanted a two-state solution, which played into the hands of the Israelis who also didn't want one, and now they're able to take it over. | ||
| That's the way that the pro-Palestine story goes. | ||
| Well, I think that Hamas, the sentiment that Hamas has about not wanting a two-state solution, I think that that is something that existed before Israel kind of fed the fire that was Hamas. | ||
| Yeah, I think so too. | ||
| They had... | ||
| There have been a lot of attempts to get the – to figure it out and whether it be the Camp David Accords or whether it be – I think it was the – I forget what it was in the 90s when President Clinton had multiple people. | ||
| I don't – I think it was Yasser Arafat but I'm not sure who was the Israeli prime minister at the time. | ||
| But there's been multiple attempts and something always falls through and then both sides point the finger at each other and say, it's your fault. | ||
| No, it's your fault. | ||
| But there are regularly factions on both sides that don't want a two-state solution, and they tend to mess it up for everybody. | ||
| So it's going to be a 51st state solution? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| It's such a gross thing to joke about. | ||
| I don't like joking about it. | ||
| Steve Houghton says, imagine being Puerto Rico, and Gaza becomes the 51st state. | ||
| Or D.C. D.C. definitely should not be a state. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| As a D.C. resident, I confirm it should not. | ||
| The worst people live there. | ||
| It should not be. | ||
| Lurch685 says, how is giving Israel everything they want, new thinking, and not the status quo? | ||
| Well, I don't... | ||
| There's an angle that I'm seeing on X right now of Netanyahu listening to Trump say that he wants to own Gaza, and he doesn't really look happy. | ||
| People are saying that maybe Trump was negotiating in real time with the big-ass technique. | ||
| Live? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I don't think that what Trump said is what they're asking for. | ||
| I think that maybe even Netanyahu was surprised by this. | ||
| And he did say something to the effect of... | ||
| He just said something bigger. | ||
| That's way bigger. | ||
| Yes, he did. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think Israel wants this. | ||
| I mean, I hope you're right, because I don't want it. | ||
| I don't want to see the U.S. getting involved in that. | ||
| I mean, it's bad enough that we're sending money to Israel for their war, especially when Israel can fund itself. | ||
| It doesn't need the United States to pay for its defense or whatever. | ||
| So I definitely don't want to see American... | ||
| Jeremy B. says, screw you, Daily Mail. | ||
| Natalie has the right to bear arms. | ||
| B-A-R-E. Yes. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Kennedy, at least Hooters would hire me. | ||
| See, that's the thing that bums me out. | ||
| Kennedy is better than that. | ||
| I've had interactions with Kennedy. | ||
| It was disgusting. | ||
| It was really bad. | ||
| I was bummed. | ||
| First of all, that was like three days after the initial story had come out. | ||
| It had blown over. | ||
| Also, I'm sorry. | ||
| This news cycle is so intense. | ||
| There's so many things to cover. | ||
| And you're going to waste your weekly, bi-weekly, monthly op-ed in the Daily Mail to say that myself, for wearing a literal black sweater up to my neck with a white collar, like I looked very preppy, that I was dressing like... | ||
| A hostess at Hooters. | ||
| And then she refers to herself in the piece as a fellow, like, hot journalist. | ||
| And I swear to God, in the piece she's like, she's looking, trying to look like a Barbie on the White House lawn. | ||
| It's just really cringe. | ||
| But I also think more importantly, it's extremely disrespectful. | ||
| Not even to me, but to Caroline Levitt and to President Trump, who wanted to put independent media in the press briefing room. | ||
| And shame on the Daily Mail, shame on Kennedy for reorienting that news cycle away from what should have been. | ||
| How awesome is it that Bannon's war room is in the press briefing room? | ||
| And instead, like, oh, let's try to, you know, mock the, like, dumb bimbo 23-year-old, which I'm not. | ||
| I got there off of my intelligence. | ||
| I've broken more stories, I think, that the Daily Mail has credited and not credited before than Kennedy ever has. | ||
| And it's really disgusting. | ||
| And when they put that piece out, to be honest, at first I was kind of like... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| But then I was like, this is some level of coordinated media where they want to make it very clear that we are not welcome in the press briefing room. | ||
| And it's just gross. | ||
| Or maybe it's just women being women. | ||
| Yeah, I was disappointed when I saw that it was Kennedy. | ||
| I actually commented and made a tweet about it. | ||
| And then I saw that it was Kennedy and I was like, "Ugh, this is a drag." So I actually deleted it. | ||
| - You took her side? - What? | ||
| No, I didn't take her side. | ||
| - You tried to defend me and then you deleted the tweet? - I did, I did. | ||
| Because I didn't want to, because like I said, I'm friendly with Kennedy. | ||
| And so I didn't, and I was a little on the harsh side. | ||
| So I was like, "Uh, you know, maybe I should just delete it." But I mean, I'm speaking about it right now that it was, you know, I'm on your side. | ||
| I think that I was really disappointed in Kennedy. - I think we need a culture war with you and Kennedy. | ||
| How hot is too hot? | ||
| Yeah, do it, dude, about what we wear. | ||
| I mean, Jon Fetterman wears sweatpants to work. | ||
| Not only that, but when it comes to... | ||
| If I were a dude and I had worn that exact outfit, or if I were obese, or if I were trans, there would have been... | ||
| Speaking of dudes... | ||
| Front page coverage on frickin' Vogue, Cosmopolitan, every women's magazine. | ||
| Her boobs out on the lawn. | ||
| And everyone was, you know, everyone on the left for sure. | ||
| And I don't know that Kennedy had said anything about it. | ||
| I don't know if she actually had written a piece about it. | ||
| But, I mean, look, it's, your outfit was, you know, completely, it was modest. | ||
| You had a skirt on, but you had a, you know, turtleneck and everything. | ||
| Well, I also just refuse to bend the knee to the idea, like, I love that politics is a very masculine sphere. | ||
| It should be. | ||
| I don't want it to become like feminized. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that I have to dress like a man or wear a pantsuit or like not be feminine. | ||
| Like one of the ways that I feel like I have preserved my femininity in a rather masculine space, which I don't say that in a negative way, is wearing... | ||
| And I'm not going to wear, like, frumpy pantsuits like most of Washington, D.C., like most of the people in that press briefing room. | ||
| And that's just where I don't understand, like, the push. | ||
| I'm like, so you guys would have been happy? | ||
| Like, what would have made it okay if I were wearing an ugly, ill-fitting outfit? | ||
| No. | ||
| Like Tucker Carlson says, I'm not saying, like, I'm beautiful, but I'm saying beauty matters. | ||
| Aesthetics matter, right? | ||
| And I'm not going to show up looking ugly because... | ||
| Some older women can't handle it. | ||
| And that's something that we've said on this show and also on PCC when I go on. | ||
| It's like we need to lift up aesthetic things. | ||
| Lift up. | ||
| I think that kind of stuff is... | ||
| It's not offensive in a way where I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe they did this. | ||
| It's just like, look, this is not attractive. | ||
| No one thinks it's attractive. | ||
| To be honest with you, if you're looking to sell a product, why would you want to put your product on a person that is repulsive? | ||
| So I think that we should uplift people that are attractive or try to look your best at something. | ||
| I'm not out of shape when I get on stage for the band and stuff like that. | ||
| I want to be in good shape. | ||
| I want to look aspirational. | ||
| I want people to be like, yeah, that guy's... | ||
| But do you know what the Daily Mail had to do? | ||
| Because I obviously didn't just sit back and take it. | ||
| I, let's say, had some choice words. | ||
| But they had to take the author's name off the piece because she was getting so much pushback. | ||
| So I think Daily Mail, zero. | ||
| Natalie Winters, one. | ||
| Or two, I guess, because the Kennedy piece, she gets ratioed all the time. | ||
| Apparently. | ||
| Why don't you guys write another article? | ||
| We'll see how that goes. | ||
| Raymond G. Stanley says, Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, shout out Chris Carr. | ||
| Good to see you on, sir. | ||
| Thank you for that. | ||
| Welcome back. | ||
| Good to be back. | ||
| Let's see what else we got. | ||
| The, let's see, A. Jones says, DJT nominated Neil Jacobs as head of NOAA. He was the Sharpiegate, Sharpiegate? | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Sharpiegate guy who stayed neutral, but the media crucified him for not trashing Donald J. Trump, and he got removed as acting head of NOAA in 2020. Another F.U. to the media win for Noah. | ||
| I'm not familiar with this particular issue, but... | ||
| But hey, if it's trashing the mainstream media, then I'm all for it. | ||
| Bridget May Alassar says, I'm going back to the CPI with my mother-in-law who had a heart attack and stroke last week. | ||
| Only about 10% function. | ||
| We paid mine, but struggling to come up with hers. | ||
| Please share her GoFundMe. | ||
| Heal Nurse Karen's heart. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| So it's a GoFundMe. | ||
| Heal Nurse Karen's heart if you can make a donation or give a little bit. | ||
| Go ahead and please give if you can. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| TheRealDougLane says, Would love to see y'all interview Chris Hagney from the Innocent Lives Foundation. | ||
| Badass computer nerds identifying anonymous child as SA Predators Online. | ||
| True superheroes. | ||
| That is a really, really good thing. | ||
| Some of your comments are self-searched. | ||
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| I can see them. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| I'll go home after work and read them sometimes and just laugh my ass off. | ||
| It's a great chat. | ||
| You have a great audience. | ||
| Isaac Vanderbilt says, personally, I support whatever Trump does. | ||
| Good to hear. | ||
| She's like, whatever, man. | ||
| I'm on it. | ||
| Hardcase says, Phil, that new album slaps harder than Uncle Daddy on Whiskey Night. | ||
| Tim, look into Indiana if y'all leave West Virginia. | ||
| Thank you very much, Hardcase. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| The Malkor? | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| The Malkor says, Hi, Phil. | ||
| Can you shout out my GoFundMe? | ||
| Help Joshua get back on the road. | ||
| Could you so much help? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So I'm not sure what it is, but if you want to go check it out, the Malkor's GoFundMe is Help Joshua Get Back on the Road. | ||
| You could have given a little more info to people. | ||
| The Malkor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hops and brews. | ||
| Ian first controls the weather, now the president. | ||
| All connected. | ||
| It's frightening. | ||
| You're attached to a web of subatomic consciousness. | ||
| Just tugging on it. | ||
| The more honest you are, the more aligned you become, the more stuck to the web of reality you become, so your movements affect everybody a little more tightly. | ||
| Jimmy says, Constitutionally, the president runs the executive branch, but for the last 50 years, the bureaucrats have been running it illegally for the globalists. | ||
| And, you know, there's a lot of truth to that comment. | ||
| The idea that the government... | ||
| Or that the president should be able to just say, no, we're going to fire this person, we're going to hire this person. | ||
| That's what people assume goes on, but when it comes to unions and all of the hoops that the executive has to jump through just to fire someone, I mean, it's hard to say that the will of the people is being carried out when there are multiple organizations and lawyers and unions that are going to do everything they can to stymie. | ||
| That will, when it's executed by the president. | ||
| I mean, the whole point of the president saying, I need to be able to hire and fire people, is he needs people that are going to carry out the policies that the people voted for. | ||
| I remember before the election, they were discussing firing all the bureaucrats. | ||
| He can't, he doesn't have the legal authority to do it. | ||
| Vivek came in and was like, actually, what he can do is... | ||
| And certain departments, and then all those people lose their job. | ||
| He can't go in and individually fire one guy after another. | ||
| I don't know how much, where that starts and where that stops, and if he overstepped. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I do think that he should be able to, though. | ||
| I mean, he is the executive. | ||
| He's the guy, and he's the representative of the people. | ||
| The bureaucrats aren't voted on. | ||
| You know, the president can hire, you know, he hires his cabinet. | ||
| But beyond that, the bureaucrats that were there oftentimes stay, and if you can't get rid of the people, if the president can't fire them or the heads of the cabinet can't fire them, then it ends up being a situation where it's just the same people, and maybe they'll do some changes that the president wants, but the big policies kind of remain the same, and you've seen that. | ||
| I mean, just like this whole USAID thing. | ||
| USAID's been around since Kennedy. | ||
| And it's been doing, first it was, you know, ostensibly it existed to help fight communism, which I think is a worthy policy, but once the Soviet Union fell, then, you know, there was no real use for it, and it became corrupted. | ||
| And it's also quite sinister, too, the concept of, like, burrowing in, so at the tail end of... | ||
| The Biden regime, the Obama regime, like a lot of the political staffers, even I forget most recently, but someone who's very high up, like very deep state, they try to become in the final few weeks or whatever, make the transition from political appointee to career civil servant. | ||
| So it's not just that you have like the... | ||
| Evil, awful, horrible civil servants, but then you have a lot of the worst of the worst politicals who merge into that. | ||
| But obviously they're scared of Schedule F. Well, Schedule F is sort of what Vivek was talking about, but there's other ways to go about doing it. | ||
| That's the tip of the iceberg. | ||
| But I think if you really drill down on why they're so opposed to the idea of Project 2025, it was basically... | ||
| Giving President Trump authority over all aspects of the government, which they didn't have an issue right when Joe Biden did it or firing people off of vaccine mandates, right? | ||
| But the crux of Project 2025 really was in the Schedule F. People who would come up with the Schedule F executive order were basically all at the PPO office the first time around who then sort of ended up at Heritage working on Project 2025. So that was like the ideological bedrock that I think sort of... | ||
| The bigger narrative, which sort of goes back to what we were talking about, the unitary executive theory, but just talking about how President Trump is the chief magistrate, not just over DOJ, but over hiring people. | ||
| And frankly, I think it's even funny, too, like the framing of it, that President Trump putting in appointees who are... | ||
| I would argue loyal to the United States as opposed to loyal to him, that that's somehow like his cardinal sin, appointing loyalists, right? | ||
| Like they say the L word, like it's a bad word. | ||
| And it's like, well, no, I reject that framing just like in the same way it's not a trade war. | ||
| It's not President Trump's trade war. | ||
| China's been attacking us. | ||
| We're not nativists for wanting immigration restrictions. | ||
| Like they put the onus on us. | ||
| They're victim blaming. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with wanting. | ||
| To hire people who are, I guess I would prefer loyalty to the United States as opposed to like the deep state. | ||
| It's like what Bill Kristol tweeted, right? | ||
| He was like, well, I much prefer the deep state to the Trump state. | ||
| Like that tweet is so telling in so many ways. | ||
| You can have like loyal people that are very good and you can have loyal people that are very evil. | ||
| And you could have like people that aren't loyal that serve the Constitution over the man that are very good and also people like that that are very evil. | ||
| So it's, you know, you just... | ||
| As long as the people that are loyal are also good people doing the right thing, you know, I think that's all that really matters. | ||
| Humble Beginning says, remember when Trump said he wanted to take back the Panama Canal, then sent Rubio over to make a deal? | ||
| Has anyone been watching Trump for 10 years? | ||
| Thank you, Natalie, for common sense. | ||
| Of course, Dems are going to fearmonger. | ||
| I gotta say this about Marco Rubio. | ||
| I was a little reticent about him because I've been watching the guy for 15... | ||
| And I thought he was like a deep state, just lifelong bureaucrat. | ||
| And I now... | ||
| Elected. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| He's a senator, obviously. | ||
| He's a senator. | ||
| I just thought he was like a big business, kowtow to the business in 2012, you know, in 2016. Open borders amnesty. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Open borders shill. | ||
| Yeah, like strong on amnesty. | ||
| But I gotta say, this guy's an expert diplomat. | ||
| Maybe a master diplomat, and his fluency in Spanish is key right now, with the negotiations in Central and South America being right at the front of the table. | ||
| That is so great that we have such a good negotiator, a masterful diplomat as our Secretary of State. | ||
| So I really like the work he's done with Panama, with Mexico. | ||
| I don't know if he was the one that negotiated with the Mexican president to get to 10,000 troops on the board. | ||
| I think Trump did that directly. | ||
| But Rubio's, dude, Rubio's lit. | ||
| In that position. | ||
| Like that was a key position to put him in. | ||
| So like if he was in a different position, it might not be as effective. | ||
| But I mean he speaks Spanish and he hates communism. | ||
| So for that role, it's kind of ideal. | ||
| Son of Cubans. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean the fact that he's son of Cubans probably has a lot to do with why he hates communists. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| that kind of attitude and that kind of, you know, The understanding of the left is, in my opinion, there's immense value in it, and he was definitely a great pick for Secretary of State. | ||
| And I secretly want to think that his hatred for communism drove him to be really good friends with the fascist Bukele in El Salvador. | ||
| Yeah, we didn't mention it. | ||
| They negotiated El Salvador taking a bunch of prisoners. | ||
| We're basically going to pay them to take a bunch of prisoners into their super mega prison that they got down there. | ||
| And we're going to help them with nuclear development. | ||
| In exchange. | ||
| And on top of fees. | ||
| Small fees for the prisoners. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| Send them to the worst prison in the world. | ||
| Mr. Dinder says, My wife just gave birthright to our... | ||
| What was this? | ||
| Birthright to our thirdest child, James, this afternoon? | ||
| That's one heck of a... | ||
| He's overjoyed. | ||
| That's one heck of a comment. | ||
| He's going to need one of them Ian Roberto Jr. screams, please. | ||
| That was one for you, baby. | ||
| My love to James. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| He really screamed like that, that chicken. | ||
| Yeah, I believe you. | ||
| It was crazy the way he screamed. | ||
|
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Did it die? | |
| It died, yeah. | ||
| Sad to see him go. | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| Chickens sometimes just do that, though. | ||
| Was he killed or did he die? | ||
| Did he just die? | ||
| No, he went into shock or something. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Just an illegal immigrant? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| James Cotard Artist said, Natalie dropped the word Chiron tonight. | ||
| A subtle reference to the classic ATR track off of Overcome. | ||
| Well played, Phil. | ||
| Well played. | ||
| You know, we actually didn't plan that. | ||
| And to be honest with you, when she said Chiron, she wasn't referring to the same Chiron that I was referring to when I named the song. | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| Well, Chiron is the thing at the bottom of the... | ||
|
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What did I say? | |
| Pardon me? | ||
| Yeah, Chiron, like on the bottom of the TV screen. | ||
| So Chiron was Achilles' teacher. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Oh, the Greek? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wrote a song called Chiron because it was about the people that have taught me and influenced me in my life. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah, so she was talking about a different Chiron than I was talking about. | ||
| But it's the same pronunciation. | ||
| ADD Hoarding Procrastinator says, Continuity of government is no excuse for the continuity of corruption. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I love to hear that. | ||
| So, uh, smash the like button, share the show with your friends, go to timcast.com and become a member. | ||
| Uh, Natalie, thank you for joining us. | ||
| Do you have anything that you want to shout out? | ||
| Thank you so much for having me. | ||
| You can follow me on Instagram, Twitter, all the things, even though I'm a Luddite, at Natalie G. Winters. | ||
| For outfit pics that go viral. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Also, The War Room. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| People probably already know. | ||
| You can always watch The War Room. | ||
| Thanks for coming, Natalie. | ||
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