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Trump ENDS All DEI Departments, FIRES Staff, Deportation HAVE BEGUN w/Matt Walsh | Timcast IRL
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angela mcardle
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ian crossland
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tim pool
Donald Trump has ended all of the DI programs.
He has nuked all of the diversity employees, the DEI employees in the federal government.
Now, he hasn't fired them.
I say nuked because they've been put on paid leave, which kind of irks me, but at least they're not there anymore.
What we're seeing now is they're trying to rename and hide these staffers across federal agencies.
I hope Trump is able to get through this and figure out...
I mean, this is malevolent.
There's one instance, we have the tweet where a post, There's a chief diversity officer who gets renamed a senior officer because they're trying to protect people's jobs, and that is in defiance of executive order, which is insane.
So we've got that story, of course, and here's a big one.
Deportations have begun, and the DOJ will investigate and prosecute any local officials who obstruct the deportation process.
So a lot of stuff going on.
We've got the layoffs at CNN. Everyone's laughing about that.
And TikTok is reportedly banning...
Free Palestine.
They're claiming they're not.
But people are posting videos showing that they have, so maybe it's all just fake news.
But we'll break all of this down.
It is only the second day, and Donald Trump has done, I guess technically it's the third day, Donald Trump has done many things.
Many things so far, keeping his promise.
Of course, we talked about the pardoning of Ross Ulbrich the other day.
So we'll get into all that stuff, and we'll talk about how he is taking back the government.
He's also rescinded the executive order creating the equal employment opportunity in federal government, which is crazy, because it wasn't a law, it was an executive order.
Before we get started, my friends, head over to castbrew.com and buy coffee.
I'm willing to bet Ian's got no coffee left.
Okay, Ian's graphene dream has 494 bags left.
So, I don't get it, Ian.
You sold 5,350 bags in a month.
This time it's been about two weeks and you've sold 1,600 bags already of this coffee.
ian crossland
I think it's a quality product with good branding.
tim pool
Well, all right.
That explains it.
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We also have Phil's two weeks till Christmas.
unidentified
Get it.
tim pool
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matt walsh
Hey, good to be here.
Good that I didn't have to trek through the wilderness to find you this time, so right down the street from us.
I will say that I don't want to get into a big argument right off the bat, but your 28th Amendment, I had declared a different 28th Amendment, so we've got a bit of a conf.
Mine was...
Summary execution for people who ditch their shopping carts.
You've got the chicken thing.
We've got to figure that out.
phil labonte
We can discuss the shopping carts later.
I totally agree with you about that.
Society is better the more people that return their shopping carts.
matt walsh
I've been on that for...
For years.
phil labonte
I didn't know that, but I completely agree with you.
shane cashman
The Aldi situation where you put the quarter in the cart, you have to put it back?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
A functioning society does not need financial incentives.
matt walsh
I prefer punishment.
shane cashman
I'm on board with it.
tim pool
So my 20th Amendment is the right to keep bear and breed chickens, so it's a bit more wholesome, but okay.
We'll have the debate.
Angela McArdle's also hanging out.
angela mcardle
Thanks for having me back.
tim pool
Right on.
angela mcardle
Who are you?
unidentified
What do you do?
angela mcardle
Oh, I'm the chair of the National Libertarian Party, the broker of deals, freer of peoples.
tim pool
Freer of peoples.
That's good.
And you are largely responsible for the pardoning of Ross Ulbricht, which has every libertarian throwing their hat in the air and cheering.
angela mcardle
That is correct.
Super excited about that.
Still lobbying for a few other people, including Roger Ver.
phil labonte
Right on.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
That's cool.
Shane's hanging out.
shane cashman
What's up?
Congrats, Angela.
angela mcardle
Thank you very much.
shane cashman
That's amazing.
We were in the room at the Libertarian Convention when Trump made that promise, so it's awesome to see him fulfill it.
I am Shane Cashman, author and host of Inverted World Live every Sunday at 6. What's up?
ian crossland
Oh, I'm happy to see both you guys.
Angela, congrats on everything, man, since last I saw you and having the baby and everything, rock and roll.
And Matt, nice.
I haven't seen you since the documentary, Am I Racist?
So good to see you again.
matt walsh
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
ian crossland
It was great, man.
I haven't actually seen the documentary, but every time I see clips, I'm like, I loved Borat.
I was crying in tears in the theater.
tim pool
The fight scene.
It's just so good.
ian crossland
I hear a lot.
Okay, anyway, but Angela, what's your Twitter account?
Because I'm about to tweet this out.
angela mcardle
It's Angela4LNCChair.
ian crossland
Thank you.
phil labonte
All right.
ian crossland
Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
angela mcardle
Let's go.
tim pool
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
The story from USA Today.
Trump rolls back DEI across the federal government.
Is your workplace next?
I love this because this has been the new narrative.
After Trump basically said...
All DEI employees, like if you are working in these departments, you are now on leave.
Your office is hereby closed.
And now the narrative has become, is he going to bring this to the private sector?
I don't know that the president has the authority to do that.
You know, Joe Biden famously tried to mandate vaccines for everybody.
I think he was trying to go through OSHA or something.
Was that what it was?
It was OSHA. Trump, I think, may actually be able to do something on this very simply by instructing the appropriate law enforcement To enforce the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
That is, any private business that utilizes protected classes in their hiring will be in violation of the law, and that means DEI is de facto gone.
phil labonte
I mean, DEI is totally illegal.
If you look at the laws on the books, discriminating based on any immutable characteristic is illegal in the United States.
The fact that it has been around this long is a testament to the fact that, honestly...
The left has been so powerful in the United States, even though they'll scream and cry about how they're marginalized, etc.
That has been the status quo for the better part of two decades, probably the better part of the past 40 or 50 years.
angela mcardle
California has it codified in state law.
So it'll be very interesting to see what happens there, the battle of Trump v.
Newsom.
matt walsh
This is what you need.
Because the thing with executive orders, of course, and the worry is that they're great in this case.
But then the next guy can come and the next Democrat can come and just reverse everything just as quickly as Trump is wiping out whatever Biden did.
The same could happen to him.
And that's why you need Congress to come in behind these executive orders and codify them into law so that it's not quite so easy to just wipe them out from existence.
And that can be done easily with this DEI stuff.
And although it is, to both of your points, it is already very much illegal to do this.
This is racial profiling, racial discrimination.
You could still have a federal law that bans this explicitly on the basis that it's a human rights violation because you're discriminating against people based on their race.
tim pool
He got rid of affirmative action and contracting for the federal government, too.
unidentified
Good.
tim pool
Yeah, that stuff should be illegal.
It's remarkable to me that in the 60s, we're like, hey, maybe we shouldn't have this discrimination stuff.
And then shortly thereafter, they said...
Maybe we should bring it right back on top of the existing law banning it.
ian crossland
The thing about discrimination is, yeah, if you say people of that kind can't do this, that's discrimination.
But also, people of that kind get this.
That's also discrimination.
It's positive discrimination.
So it goes both ways.
matt walsh
I think it's fascinating, too, because you were right that Trump has already done more in two, three days than Biden did in four years.
Trump has also arguably done more in two or three days than he himself did in four years in his first term.
Of course, a lot has changed, and he's learned a lot from the first term.
He's got a much better team.
But the other thing, too, is that, and this was always the irony of him being labeled a dictator, is that in his first term, he was the opposite of it.
In fact, if anything, he had the opposite problem.
He erred too much in the opposite direction in that he was very shy about wielding his executive power.
This time around, he realizes that, hey, I have this power.
I can use it.
And so I'm going to.
phil labonte
It was to the point where it was a meme.
People were saying, people on the right were saying, please give us the Trump that the left swears that he is.
Give us the authoritarian Trump that the left thinks he is.
tim pool
But when you say Trump did more in two days than Biden did in his entire presidency, the issue I take with that statement is that Biden was effectively rolling backwards in his wheelchair down a hill, and Trump is actually climbing the hill.
You know what I mean?
So I would argue Biden did a whole lot to damage and burn this country.
angela mcardle
That's fair.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So Trump did more in two days to help the country.
Joe Biden did literally nothing.
What, ATM fees was a proposal of his?
angela mcardle
There's got to be one nice thing.
At least one nice thing.
Yeah, the ATM fees.
ian crossland
He paid off my student loans.
I didn't ask.
I didn't sign up for anything.
I just got some stupid check in the mail.
You paid your loans for 20 years, so you get all your money back.
And now you get to pay for it as a taxpayer.
I mean, egregious.
angela mcardle
I thought it was reversed.
shane cashman
Yeah, I didn't get that.
ian crossland
They turned to zero.
I was like, thanks for the 11 grand, dude.
tim pool
That's not a nice thing.
ian crossland
No, it wasn't, but he did it.
angela mcardle
Not to everyone else.
ian crossland
I don't know how to rectify it.
tim pool
I think people need to understand that Robin Hood wasn't stealing from the rich to give to the poor.
He was stealing from the government.
He was the sheriff who was collecting all the taxes.
And so in this instance, what Ian is referring to is...
Quite literally, the government's stealing from the poor to give to the highest income earners in the country.
phil labonte
If you want to correct it, the IRS will accept money.
ian crossland
I can just send them a chat.
phil labonte
You can just send them the chat.
ian crossland
Shane, on the Green Show earlier, you were saying that Trump wouldn't...
I've heard this sentiment online, too, is that if he had gotten to be president in 2020, he wouldn't have had this zell.
He wouldn't have had this...
shane cashman
I saw Andy Nose say that.
He had to go through the trials and tribulations of the last four years, I think, to get the Trump we got the last two days.
angela mcardle
He wouldn't have had the same team behind him either.
Or the Senate?
Or Congress?
I mean, come on.
tim pool
It's almost as if he went through divine trials to earn and understand his place, narrowly avoiding death, but by the turn of his head, that made him a forceful president.
And we've only seen a couple days.
shane cashman
That's why his portrait looks the way it does.
angela mcardle
I think it's a really good representation of the hero's journey, and I don't necessarily think that Donald Trump is coming in to save every single person in the country, but I do think he's coming to redeem the boomer generation.
I think that's a big part of this, is he's like, we are going to fix a lot of the things that the boomers did direct the country.
tim pool
You know, what matters to me a lot is the pardoning of Ross Ulbricht, and I know for libertarians it's largely about the core issues of the case.
To me, those matter.
But what makes me a bit more emotional here is that Donald Trump, of all the things he promised, the DEI firings, these people are in his way.
Trump has an agenda.
He wants to secure the border.
He's got a mission that he believes in.
And he's going to fire these people, not just because he promised to do it, but he promised to do it because these are the people who obstructed him and wronged him.
He already got the Libertarian vote.
He already won.
He's not running for office again.
So what does he really benefit by taking the political risk of making this move to keep his word in part in Russ Ulbricht?
Well, he offered his word.
And what I see for America is Barack Obama made promises.
Promises not kept.
Wars, expansion.
George W. Bush, wars and expansion.
And Joe Biden, wars and expansion.
And Donald Trump said, I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, he had a statement on this.
They asked him and he said, I don't really care about the guy, but I promised I'd do it, so I did.
And that matters.
That matters for the spirit of this country and what young people are going to see in their president.
I said, I'll do it, and I did.
matt walsh
That's why I would also, on the pardon point, his first three days, who could complain?
He's done a lot.
But we should also mention that in the pardoning, so far, there's been one omission that I very much hope that this is coming soon, which is the pro-lifers who are sitting...
We're sitting in federal prison right now.
Some of them are already out, but they're on probation, and they've got this on the record.
Some are actually in federal prison right now.
phil labonte
Has he made promises to pardon them as well?
matt walsh
Yeah.
Yeah, he has.
And for my money, what happened to the J6ers, we all know, was outrageous political persecution.
What happened to these pro-lifers is the worst of all.
This is the worst political persecution that we've seen in modern history, in my opinion.
phil labonte
What is it?
matt walsh
Well, the Biden administration decided that they were going to enforce the so-called You know what that is?
phil labonte
I've heard of it a couple years ago or something.
matt walsh
Yeah, it's the freedom of access to clinics' entrances.
So, this is a 90s-era law that made it a federal crime to basically come within X number of feet of the entrance of an abortion clinic if you're a protester and you're blocking the entrance.
But the thing is that...
And that law already had a million problems because you're treating these clinics like this special category of building and giving them the kinds of protections you don't give any other building.
But then also this law supposedly offered the same protections to pregnancy resource centers, to crisis pregnancy centers, to pro-life centers.
So that was their way of dealing with the inequality of the law.
They said, okay, well, yeah, this will also apply to pro-life centers.
Well, the problem is that they don't enforce that.
And then under the Biden administration, you had these pro-abortion radicals that were literally setting pro-life pregnancy centers on fire, and there was no attempt to track these people down at all.
And instead, they decided to go after these pro-lifers, some of whom, there was a case in Tennessee where they were sitting, I believe, outside the entrance of the abortion clinic and praying.
No violence occurred.
You know, they never touched anyone.
They didn't commit any violent act at all.
They weren't even shouting at anybody.
They were just sitting there praying.
And some of these are like elderly women.
And the Biden administration comes along and charges them with federal crimes and throws them in federal prison for it.
phil labonte
Unconscionable.
tim pool
I don't think they were even actually physically obstructing anyone from entering other than just being in space.
You'd have to walk around.
matt walsh
You just have to walk around them.
They weren't even, you know, it wasn't like chaining themselves.
To the door or something.
angela mcardle
It's not like Black Block where they're locking elbows and blocking you from moving.
matt walsh
That's why I say they, in any other context, like if they had done that outside of a Home Depot, at worst they get loitering charts, a misdemeanor.
It only is a federal crime because the federal government has decided to treat abortion clinics like these sacred temples, which is how the left.
angela mcardle
Because they are, in their opinion.
tim pool
There were some protesters who were inside the lobby.
Of an abortion clinic, and they were, I think they were praying, and they were instructed, you have to leave or else, and they got charged under this as well, which should just be a trespass slap on the wrist.
matt walsh
That should be a trespassing charge.
angela mcardle
Do we know who's advocating for them right now?
matt walsh
I mean, there's, you know...
angela mcardle
Get pardons?
matt walsh
Yeah, there's been, there are many pro-life organizations that have been advocating, and to Trump's, and by the way, Trump has said that he's going to pardon them, so I'm not, there's no indication that he's just going to ignore them and betray them.
I'm not claiming this is some great betrayal.
Maybe he's waiting.
The March for Life is on Friday.
Maybe that'll be the time.
That would be a great time to do it.
ian crossland
I'd like to see it, but the trade-off is he's got to pardon Joe Biden.
Joe's not going down for any crimes anyway.
He's done.
He's going out.
He's chilling.
Might as well.
angela mcardle
I mean, I don't know if I call that a...
tim pool
Ian has just offended everyone.
angela mcardle
Okay, no, no, no.
I'm not offended.
ian crossland
Why Joe?
Because it kind of also indicates he's done something wrong, which is cool.
angela mcardle
It's a little left field, but I think if he were to do that and say, you know, you did a lot of terrible...
I think he should pardon him for specific crimes.
tim pool
Actually, that would be more fun.
You know what, Ian?
I think you're right, actually.
ian crossland
I saw it on Twitter.
It's not my idea.
tim pool
But I'll say why.
I think Joe Biden is an awful person who has committed a lot of crime.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You look at the crime family, 10% for the big guy, the Burisma scandal.
But he is very old and unaware of his surroundings.
If Trump were to issue the pardon, acting very magnanimous, it would also require Biden to make an admission of guilt for the things that he did that Trump would pardon him for.
And we're not going to put him in prison.
I mean, he's 80-something.
ian crossland
And Massey was saying last night that if you bring these people before Congress, now like Anthony Fauci, and you ask him, like, why did you lie about gain of function?
You said there was none when there was.
And if he still lies, then they can hit him, even after the pardon, now they can hit him again for perjury.
So he's got to kind of admit, like, this is why I lied to the public.
shane cashman
I love the sentiment, but Joe Biden needs continued ridicule in my mind.
ian crossland
But that's what the pardon is.
shane cashman
Pardoning Fauci?
I don't know.
I can't get on board with that.
matt walsh
I agree that if you pardon him for specific crimes, pardon him for, you know, crimes of corruption, you have to get the exact crime.
angela mcardle
He's going to be called out.
On this day, in this act, da-da-da-da-da-da.
We'll pardon you for it.
tim pool
If he says, I pardon Joe Biden for the quid pro quo in Ukraine, threatening to withhold congressionally approved loan guarantees, that's illegal, but he did it.
We all know he did, so I pardon him for it.
shane cashman
That would be the first troll pardon.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
Sounds like he's trolling.
I like troll pardons.
There's a guy who might need a pardon next month, Dr. Eitan Haim.
He's a Texas doctor who's a whistleblower at the Texas Children's Hospital.
angela mcardle
Oh, yes.
shane cashman
He's at a trial next month.
They're trying to put him away for 10 years.
angela mcardle
State or federal?
shane cashman
I believe so.
I believe so.
They say he's violating HIPAA violations.
We should look it up.
But that guy needs help.
ian crossland
This one's a bit more controversial.
Derek Chauvin.
I've seen his name being tossed around.
I think he tweeted it, maybe.
tim pool
There's federal and state charges.
Trump absolutely should pardon Chauvin on the federal charges.
ian crossland
There's a lot of evidence that...
George Floyd had fentanyl, norfentanil, I think it was caffeine, nicotine, and THC in his system, five drugs when he died, that it was a heart attack, not an asphyxiation.
matt walsh
And he didn't get a fair trial.
There's no way he got a fair trial.
tim pool
I was going to say, I don't care about any of that stuff.
I don't care about the drugs, I don't care about whatever.
He didn't have a fair trial.
angela mcardle
Just on the trial alone, I think that that's, if this is all about undoing the weaponization of the justice system, it should be done on the trial.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
It's part of the first one, but it's interesting.
Pop Crave has the tweet saying, Donald Trump has revoked the Equal Employment Opportunity Act of 1965. The order prohibited discrimination in hiring an employment based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
We have this in the, we have right here, the executive order, ending illegal discrimination and restoring merit-based opportunity.
And you can see, while this does cover all the DEI stuff, it includes Executive Order 11246. So what they say over here,
basically it says, on September 24th, 1965, Lyndon Johnson issued Executive Order 11246. So this is basically the end of affirmative action in the federal government.
It only extends to the federal government.
I did not realize that was just an executive order.
I thought that was a law.
Trump just said, Nah, we out.
unidentified
Done.
tim pool
Yeah.
matt walsh
That's pretty remarkable.
tim pool
That's right, right?
angela mcardle
Brass balls.
matt walsh
You know what?
So this is a thought that I had.
It's a question.
I don't really know the answer to it.
But when you look at all these things that Trump's doing, and he's killing DEI and federal government, he's killing gender ideology and federal government, those two things in particular, I was expecting a nuclear explosion of Rage.
A full-on left-wing meltdown.
Protests in the street and everything.
Over this.
And we're not quite...
Now, of course, the left is upset.
The media is upset about it.
But we're not quite seeing the level of rage that I was expecting.
And I'm wondering why that is.
One theory is...
Chris Ruffo tweeted something earlier about how the big tech companies, according to people he's talking to, his reporting...
Talking to people at big tech companies, they're going to comply with this getting rid of DEI. And according to him, there's kind of actually a sense of relief that they don't have to pretend to care about this anymore.
And then you just get back to hiring people that are good at doing their job.
So I wonder if for some on the left, if maybe that applies more broadly and that there's some on the left anyway who they're a little bit relieved to be done with this stuff because they never really believed in it.
And the idea that they had to get up in arms because a man wants access to the women's changing room.
And so now it's like they don't have to pretend to care about that anymore.
So is there a slight sense of relief among some on the left?
tim pool
I agree.
matt walsh
We're liberators now for them.
tim pool
I agree at the institutional level for some of these companies.
They're thinking like, you know, we were getting these calls from the Biden administration.
They were telling us we had to do these things.
And that's there.
But the question of where is the day of rage people on the streets?
Here's a couple potentials.
One, it's really cold out.
And so with the polar vortex coming in, it was snowing in Louisiana.
It was snowing in Florida.
Oh, that's the apocalypse for them.
So it's really cold.
And the truth is, when a light drizzle happens, the protesters don't go outside.
So it could be that maybe in the next few months we'll start to see Antifa come out in the streets.
There were some protests in Washington.
They attacked a TPUSA event and they smashed a window.
But it was relatively small.
I wonder, however, though, with Trump winning the popular mandate, and did you guys see this?
For the first time, Trump's aggregate favorability has been favorable.
angela mcardle
Nice.
tim pool
So the first was in December by like 0.2, now it's 0.3.
In his political career, Trump is now slightly favorable.
I wonder if...
You know, the thing about Antifa and these far leftists is that they're always a fringe minority of violent groups, and they rely on the mass of normie, general liberal disdain.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So if a thousand people come out to protest, and their intention is to wave little American flags and pride flags or whatever, Antifa goes into those groups and uses that as cover to be violent, causing chaos.
But if most of those people don't want to protest for these things anymore, Antifa has no cover.
It may be the left is very mad, but they were never very powerful to begin with.
angela mcardle
I think they're agitators and they get people riled up.
And I think the normies and the people in the middle are just fatigued and they're over it.
Wokeism is a sad, like it makes people sad.
It's a bad vibe.
And this whole election has been a vibe check.
People are like, you know what, I think I want to be happy and not always be scolding the sad-looking white dude in the cubicle next to me.
phil labonte
We were talking earlier about that, the vibe change, the era of America is good again.
It's really tangible, and I think that it's something that a lot of people feel nowadays.
People are tired of looking at the United States, which is, I don't care.
I have no problem saying this.
I don't care what anyone says.
The United States has been an aggregate good for the world.
Even if only because the U.S. keeps the seas open for trade, it has been an aggregate good for the entire world.
And most people in the United States want to believe that the country they're from, the United States, is a good place full of good people and has good intentions.
And with the left being so ascendant for the past...
Possibly 20 years, particularly since the Gulf War, I think people are tired of feeling like the United States is bad and they're ready for some optimism and some belief that the country still is a place that does good things.
And if you look at just how many illegal aliens have come to the United States in the past four years, that says something about the rest of the world and the United States in comparison.
shane cashman
I'm curious what's going to happen with colleges.
Because, like, what Matt's saying with the tech world, they're being liberated.
I feel like the colleges are going to, they're recalibrating until you get crazier.
tim pool
Well, so Elon tweeted something that when you look at the appearance of certain words in academic journals, I think it was journals, you can see this massive spike of all these woke terminologies and phobias and whatnot.
And then in the past year, it's started to decline.
angela mcardle
Oh, nice.
tim pool
So we may see some recoiling.
shane cashman
Because when I was a professor and, you know, applying for other professor jobs, all the applications at the bottom, they were saying they're hiring all these people.
Except white guys.
Straight white guys.
I'm curious how this is going to affect that.
If it's going to make them worse?
tim pool
Trump should issue an executive order that these universities, they receive federal funding.
He should instruct the DOJ to go after anyone for violating the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
That DEI stuff is illegal.
It's always been illegal.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's a disease in the colleges.
tim pool
Let me show you this tweet from NWokeness that's in line with...
This is interesting.
The ATF was just caught rebranding their chief diversity officer to...
He wrote chief officer, but it's senior officer.
Take a look at this.
On 1-20-20-25, Lisa Boykin of the ATF, the chief diversity officer, one day later, she's a senior executive office of the director.
phil labonte
Get her out.
tim pool
This is what they've been doing.
In the ATF. Right, and we heard the FBI had preemptively ended their DEI department.
What they really did was they reassigned all of those employees all over to the FBI. They're trying to hide their ideologue Marxist staff.
shane cashman
West Point got in trouble for doing it.
They were getting sued.
They rebranded the DEI department, and they were just doing it on a different name.
angela mcardle
They've got to make sure that we have people of all different race, creed, and color burning down the next Waco.
I think it's really important to them.
tim pool
Trump and his administration understand that this is not over on day one.
And that when he signs an executive order saying DEI is over, they say, we're not DEI. We're the Equal Employment Accessibility Department.
That's another name they're using now.
The Equal Employment and Accessibility.
matt walsh
Yeah, I mean, the left is very good at rebranding.
They have an idea.
It's really unpopular.
It becomes even more unpopular, and then they rebrand the idea, and then they get a second life out of that idea because they rebranded it.
So that is what you have to look out for, which is why you're also going to have to fire the people at the top of these agencies and departments and then install people who are not motivated to go.
And find a way to recreate.
shane cashman
It's like how the Department of War became the Department of Defense.
phil labonte
To your point, Matt, about the left rebranding, that's what the whole woke movement is.
When it stopped being functional for the power dynamic to go from the working class to the proletariat to the bourgeoisie, from the working class to the property, then...
People like Herbert Marcuse had to go ahead and find new people with the revolutionary energy.
I think it was in One Dimensional Man, he was talking about how because capitalism delivers the goods, he said, and he came right out and he said that, because capitalism delivers a good life for people.
The working class no longer has the revolutionary energy, and so he specifically said that he was going to have to go to the ghettos, and you're going to have to find, essentially turn it from working class versus the proletariat to race-based.
angela mcardle
Yep, race, gender, the whole thing.
phil labonte
Exactly, and so it's just a repackaging of the same garbage that the left's been selling for...
150 years?
Or whatever?
ian crossland
I see it in the corporate sector, too.
Monsanto sold to Bayer.
Like, they were getting trashed in 2010, 2011, and then all of a sudden, I don't know how it happened, but no more Monsanto.
I mean, it still exists, but it's Bayer now.
tim pool
Rebranding is the way you do it, man.
You can keep the same infrastructure going, but just give it a different name and then hope people forget about it.
shane cashman
The vaccines change their names.
tim pool
Well, once again, that's the strategy of when you make a product that no one likes...
Actually, who's a...
Okay, I shouldn't go there.
There's a pop star who had put out a bunch of music, and I'm not going to say her name, and everyone hated it.
She rebranded and changed her name to a fake name, and now she is famous.
angela mcardle
She is very famous and loved.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
She's awesome, right?
Can I say who it is?
matt walsh
Who is it?
ian crossland
Yeah, I wanted to know.
unidentified
Who?
shane cashman
Lana Del Rey.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
What was her name?
unidentified
Awesome.
shane cashman
What was her name before?
I don't know where her name was before.
unidentified
Wow.
shane cashman
I forget.
ian crossland
I don't care.
tim pool
That's all you got to do.
You go to a marketing firm, and they say, change your name.
matt walsh
A fake name?
angela mcardle
Your name didn't fit.
matt walsh
Like a fake sounding name?
angela mcardle
Yeah, with your sad goth girl poppies.
phil labonte
It worked.
Listen, for everyone out there that's curious, the days of Taylor Swift are over.
It is now the era of Lana Del Rey.
angela mcardle
I like it.
I like it.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from Fox News.
They say DOJ to investigate state or local officials who obstruct immigration enforcement.
Memo.
Trump DOJ wants federal prosecutors across the country to investigate sanctuary city officials who obstruct immigration enforcement.
angela mcardle
Okay.
tim pool
This is fantastic.
angela mcardle
What does it mean?
I want to pull their funding.
I want to see a real standoff.
I mean, you're a libertarian.
Financially, I want to just pull the funding.
tim pool
Well, I'm okay with that too, but what this says to me is it's illegal to aid and abet criminals.
And California is in violation of federal law, and the people who aid and abet the criminals should be charged in whatever capacity we have codified.
angela mcardle
Are we going to do that?
Are we going to start arresting governors and mayors?
tim pool
I mean, I'm getting a little excited.
What is Michael Malice's t-shirt, governors for Gitmo?
angela mcardle
Gitmo.
ian crossland
I think there's, normally I would say if a state made a choice, interstate, just...
Leave it to the state.
Unless it's a horribly egregious moral dilemma.
But because these people cross state lines to get there.
angela mcardle
That's a problem.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
And also, the United States is charged with protecting the borders, first of all.
And second of all, the United States also has the Supremacy Clause.
Laws that are made by the United States take supremacy over state laws.
So when the United States says it is illegal to enter the United States...
Without proper documentation, that's a law that the whole country has to abide by.
tim pool
I don't necessarily know that you arrest a governor, but you pull funding from California.
angela mcardle
Pull that funding.
They have so much money, and they brag about how much better they are.
We have so much money.
We have so much industry.
Put your money where your mouth is.
matt walsh
I don't think we're going to end up arresting governors, but the left has set the precedent here.
I mean, they arrested a president.
A former president tried to put him in prison.
So, why not?
I mean, they've done the most extreme version of that that it's possible to do by trying to put a president in prison.
angela mcardle
Why do they protect murderers who are here illegally?
I understand there's sob stories, there's people who bring their kids across, you're 11 years old.
unidentified
Why are we protecting murderers?
phil labonte
It's called restorative justice.
tim pool
There was also, what was it, 154 Democrats voted not to deport Illegal immigrants who are accused of sex crimes.
angela mcardle
But aren't legal murderers also bad?
Like, murder bad.
This is, like, such a very simple...
tim pool
We had Ro Khanna on, and he voted against the Lake and Riley Act.
And he said his concern was that it allows the deportation of someone just for being arrested.
And, you know, we didn't really get into it, but I'd like to say to him at least now is, but they're here illegally.
matt walsh
Right.
tim pool
So, that's what we do when...
This is the crazy thing.
The argument is, the Lincoln Riley Act is, anyone here unlawfully who also commits these crimes, burglary, theft, or whatever, if you are arrested, then they are to be detained by Homeland Security and deported.
And his argument is, but they've not been tried.
They've only been arrested.
We're not deporting them for committing burglary.
We're deporting them because we've arrested them.
They are in violation of the law already, and we deport people here illegally.
That's it.
matt walsh
Well, there we go.
And to your question about why would you protect murderers, part of it is on the left, it's like they don't, they're not, and we've seen this, they don't get very angry about violent crime.
phil labonte
It's crazy.
matt walsh
Because they, and the reason for that is that, I mean, we had this notion, you're going back, you know, even when I was a kid, we heard about, you don't hear the term very often anymore, a bleeding heart liberal.
And the idea was that if you're on the left, your problem is that you're overflowing with too much compassion.
You're too sensitive.
And then we got to the sensitive snowflake thing.
But that was never true.
It's actually on the left, they are cruelly indifferent, in fact, to suffering.
And so when they hear about a violent murderer...
They don't feel the innate rage and anger that everyone at this table feels because they just don't care that much.
And then that's why their compassion for criminals, it's a very cheap compassion because they can talk about forgiveness and let them be rehabilitated.
Well, it's because you're not actually angry about what they did.
Wanting to punish criminals, wanting to harshly punish criminals, that comes from a place of love and a thirst for justice that I think they just don't...
shane cashman
Most modern...
Leftists don't value life.
angela mcardle
I think, yeah, they hate humanity.
shane cashman
And they'll stand on dead bodies to promote whatever they want.
ian crossland
Why is it just like a disassociative, like it hasn't happened to me, so it doesn't sound that bad from a distance?
tim pool
I'd like to point out an example that Phil had tweeted before, where they show results of a study that found that conservatives tend to have compassion for their friends and their family and the people around them, and Democrats and liberals tend to have compassion for inert objects like rocks.
I am not being mean.
That's the literal language of the study.
Democrats have compassion for inert objects.
That's what it said.
And how do we clarify that into layman's terms?
Democrats care about, don't blow the mountaintop off that, you know, it's bad.
We don't want that mountaintop being damaged.
Don't chop down those trees.
Conservatives are like, please stop abusing these children.
phil labonte
In Starship Troopers terms, the left loves the bugs.
angela mcardle
Yes, that's a really good way to put it.
matt walsh
It's like this inversion, because the natural human thing is to care the most about the people that are very closest to you.
So your spouse, your children, if you're married, you care the most about them in the entire world, of all people.
You prioritize them.
And then from there, you have kind of your extended family, your friends, and then your community, your immediate community, and then your state, and then your country.
And then far, far down the line, you care about all the nations of the world.
And that's the natural thing.
But on the left, they've kind of demonized that approach.
Because if you look at it that way, then you're small-minded, and you're bigoted, and you're nativist, and you're all these things.
And so they flip it around so that their compassion immediately goes to...
It goes to the broadest place.
angela mcardle
The furthest away.
unidentified
Right.
matt walsh
They talk about the world and humanity and people.
angela mcardle
And they don't have children, which helps with the inversion because there's nothing close to them to love.
matt walsh
And the thing is that even climate, caring about that, it means nothing and it costs you nothing because I can't do anything about the climate.
I can't do anything about humanity.
I can't save humanity.
I can care for my children and that takes daily effort and sacrifice.
And so they'd rather not do that.
Instead, they'd rather sit back and just talk in the abstract about how they love all people everywhere.
tim pool
And they don't.
unidentified
I was thinking about that.
tim pool
I spend any amount of time with many of these people.
I'll give a shout out to one of my favorite countries, Sweden.
I know it's been a while since I was there, but they love to talk about how they're not racist and they're very progressive.
And it's actually one of the most racist countries I've ever been to.
They isolate their migrants into ghettos.
They move them over decades into these isolated little communities where they are effectively outside of Swedish society.
And even white Americans that I met who had moved to Sweden who were fluent in Swedish said they couldn't get jobs because Swedes are actually very xenophobic.
They don't like people from outside their country.
They pretend to.
Sorry, Sweden.
That's what people told me.
ian crossland
This is just like, look, we care about them.
We gave them their own place to live.
tim pool
This is what many leftists do.
They say, oh, we care so much of the plight of the oppressed people of color.
We're going to take them in.
And then once no one's looking, they go throw them in the back.
angela mcardle
Yeah, they collect them.
It's like McDonald's Happy Meal toys.
ian crossland
On the drive over, I was thinking about the difference of the left and the right.
And I tend to, it's not just the two sides, but in this...
Political instance.
There's the people that care about the group and the power and the strength of community and group.
That's the left.
Together we are strong.
That's the fascist crap.
Whatever.
And there is something to that.
A group is way more effective than a single person in a lot of ways.
But then on the right, it's more about individual taking care of yourself and your immediate surroundings, which also has value.
A lot of value.
Because a group is made up of individuals.
So if you don't empower the individuals, you have a weak group.
A group of weaklings.
And you don't want that.
But it's also dangerous to be too far right where you're like, look, I only care about my immediate surroundings and I don't care at all about the group because it's very important that we make sure that people aren't crapping in the water upstream because there are people living downstream and one day that's going to come back to you.
And there's a balance.
There's a fluctuation between, I think, both sides that you have to maintain.
matt walsh
Yeah, that's a good point.
The other thing about immigration and the compassion of it, How their position is supposedly compassionate.
It's very funny to me, in a morbid way, how open these people are about the fact that what they're really concerned about is that they're going to lose their slave labor.
We heard it from the woman who gave the fake bishop who gave her sermon.
Who's going to mop our floors?
Who's going to pick our crops?
Who's going to shine my shoes if we don't have the illegals here?
That's exactly how they think of it.
angela mcardle
Even beyond that, a lot of...
A lot of the people who come in illegally end up homeless or they live just in hotels.
They don't actually have what we would consider a good life here, and I think that all of the NGOs and Democrats know that, and they don't care.
shane cashman
How many children were lost coming over that border?
Hundreds of thousands don't care.
They don't value the children's lives either.
angela mcardle
Child abuse and abduction and sexual assault and things like that.
It's just we don't talk about that because bringing them over here is for some reason better.
Graph go up.
matt walsh
And they can't build a good life in their homes of origin either because...
You know, it's kind of like if you listen to the left, they say, oh, well, all these immigrants are coming and they're very useful and they are very skilled and they're doing a lot of important things.
Well, if that's true, then what you're telling me is that the countries they're coming from are losing everyone they need to, like, build a functioning society.
So this is a win-win.
You send them back there.
They can build up their own countries to be this thriving place and we can live in the...
angela mcardle
I mean, I'm sympathetic to the fact that other countries have really corrupt governments.
I think that's a reality, but I don't think that problem is getting solved.
We're not addressing any of these root problems.
We're just making everything worse.
tim pool
We can certainly solve our problems.
Let's jump to the story from CNN, of all sources.
U.S. military ordering thousands more troops to the southern border.
I believe the number is around 1,500.
Donald Trump is certainly taking this seriously.
And then we have this tweet from OSINT Defender.
CNN is reporting that U.S. Transportation Command has been instructed by the Pentagon.
To prepare to use military assets including C-130 and C-17 military transport aircraft for migrant repatriation flights.
unidentified
So Trump ain't screwing around.
angela mcardle
Wow.
phil labonte
I love it.
Wow.
tim pool
It's got to be done right.
It's got to be done by the book.
The last thing we want is when you get operations this large...
There's a lot of room for error and abuse, and the margin of error on this one is going to be slim.
angela mcardle
You cannot be abusing women and children when we're deporting people who are here illegally.
That is a nightmare scenario.
matt walsh
And the left is going to be looking for their immigrant George Floyd, their Jose Floyd moment.
And you can't give it to them.
But this is also going to be...
It's going to be very telling because right now the polls show that a strong majority of Americans support mass deportation.
phil labonte
70%.
matt walsh
70%.
That's huge.
In America these days, if you can get 70% on anything, that's quite telling.
So now we're going to get all of the misery porn from the media and we're going to see all the sobbing migrants.
We're already seeing some of that.
They're going to ramp it up.
So check the poll.
A month from now, I want to see that poll again.
If it's still at 70% around there in support, Then the left is done on this issue.
They're finished.
phil labonte
There's one more thing that I want to say I heard today.
They're sending Marines to the border, and they're not sending them as toothless.
They're sending them in combat gear, and they have orders that if the cartels shoot at them, they're going to be ordered to return fire.
And that honestly is a very good thing in my opinion.
I know this is making Angela a little nervy.
angela mcardle
A little scary.
phil labonte
Look, Mexico is the biggest trading partner.
The United States is the biggest trading partner in Mexico has.
Mexico has every incentive to stop working with the cartels and start working with the United States to fix this problem.
Mexico has been allowing immigrants to...
To cross through their country for ages and ages, and they've been shoving people into the United States.
The United States taking a firm stance and saying, you are not sending people into the United States anymore, and we're going to put teeth behind those words is a good thing.
angela mcardle
It's a horribly corrupt government.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
shane cashman
The border's a mess.
When I was in Yuma, you could just see the border agents just let them come over.
They throw the ladders, the homemade ladders over the wall.
They climb over.
They get a ride to the facility and a plane ticket to someone who has a phone, who picks up the phone in any state in this country.
tim pool
And as I bring up as often as I can, thanks to the work of Dr. Phil, many of these people are trafficking children to prostitution.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And CBP knows.
They know they're doing it.
angela mcardle
Yep.
tim pool
So I've gone as far as to say that the officers who have brought a child into this country, seen the phone number on their arm, called it, knowing it was sex trafficking, they should be prosecuted.
angela mcardle
I think so.
I think so.
matt walsh
Absolutely.
angela mcardle
I mean, this is like a real libertarian hotspot.
Our party's platform is technically open borders.
I think a lot of people are starting to come around, though, because this is insanity.
You can't just say, well, we just want to have free movement of people, do whatever you want.
Okay, are we talking about literally free movement of people, like we're picking them up and packaging them and selling them?
Because that's slavery.
We're not pro-slavery.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, the idea of open borders can be...
Great, right?
The idea of legalized drugs so that people don't have to go to jail for smoking marijuana sounds great.
angela mcardle
You've got to have property rights.
It doesn't work without property rights.
matt walsh
I think both those ideas sound terrible.
shane cashman
We have no morals in this society.
phil labonte
But the reason that they sound terrible is because you know the ramifications.
You know the repercussions.
You know what it does to society.
And that's the point.
The actual application of these things is bad and has really, really, really bad downstream effects.
tim pool
Wasn't it that Austin Peterson got booed when he was asked if...
People should be allowed to sell, was it heroin to children?
angela mcardle
Probably heroin to children.
tim pool
And then you hear libertarians going, boo.
unidentified
Boo, boo, yeah.
tim pool
That is so strange.
matt walsh
He said no to heroin to children?
angela mcardle
Yeah, and he got booed for it.
It's because...
unidentified
It's okay to laugh at libertarians.
It's okay.
angela mcardle
You can laugh at us.
We have a special term for the people who do that.
It's called lulberts.
So those are the lulberts.
shane cashman
What's the argument for it?
Freedom for children?
What are they saying in their minds?
angela mcardle
The government shouldn't do it.
The private sector should do it.
Okay, then we have to have a moral society and that begins by not booing it.
unidentified
We have a morally bankrupt society.
angela mcardle
We don't have a moral society.
It's a problem.
It's a spiritual problem.
matt walsh
Doesn't it go back because libertarians, you hear the government shouldn't legislate morality.
So is that basically their argument that this is To prevent children from getting heroin is somehow imposing a moral code arbitrarily.
angela mcardle
But they won't follow it up by saying, and we should shame and ostracize and run out of business anyone who tries to sell heroin to children.
matt walsh
Yeah, but the other thing that I don't get, because libertarians believe that there should be some laws, correct?
angela mcardle
It depends.
So there's a lot of anarchists who lump themselves in with libertarianism.
So you'll also find just minimal government libertarians.
They want police and military just to keep our borders secure.
matt walsh
Yeah, well, that's what gets me, is that if you, I guess, if you are rejecting all law entirely, that's a whole different, I think that's insane, but it's a whole different thing, but the don't legislate morality thing never made any sense to me, because literally any law that's ever been passed in the history of mankind, in any country, anywhere, has been a legislation of morality, and that's the basis for, why is something made illegal?
Well, because it's bad.
Which doesn't mean that every bad thing is made illegal, but that is why it's made illegal.
angela mcardle
We treat it like property rights issues as opposed to church lady issues, I guess, to put it crudely.
Does that make sense?
tim pool
We actually didn't need laws for a long time.
When society was a bit smaller, you didn't need it because people just agreed to function in the society whether something was right or wrong.
ian crossland
Or a big guy would come in and beat you up.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
But sanctioned by the people.
Yeah, they just watch it happen.
And what happens is, as cultures break apart, and you get many different cultures, you begin to have to write down the way things should be and show them to people.
And there's this...
I think the guy's...
If I get your name wrong, forgive me, I think it's Wade Stotts.
He's a commentator.
And he made this great video about how a constitution...
What does it mean?
Where does the word come from?
It's what constitutes the people.
Most countries didn't write them down because the idea was the people and what constitutes them is known to the people.
But in the United States, understanding in the early days that we had so many different states and people lived different climates and everything, they said, we better write this down.
So where we are now is actually quite simple.
Matt, if everybody shared your moral structure and worldview, you would need no police and no standing armies.
matt walsh
The world would be a perfect place if everyone just agreed.
Because everyone just admitted that I'm right.
angela mcardle
Men would handle things.
Women would work the gossip line effectively to keep people in line socially.
Men would take care of the outliers.
tim pool
The shopping carts would be put away every time.
ian crossland
Until someone runs out of food.
And then it's like, even if they believe what Matt believes, it's like, hey, give me some food.
angela mcardle
He's like, hey, it's my food.
tim pool
Let me ask you this, Matt.
If you came across someone from your community where you live that you knew...
And their house had burned down, and they were desperate.
Would you offer them any kind of charity or aid?
matt walsh
Sure.
tim pool
And your neighbors would, too.
In a just and moral society, where does insurance come from?
Original insurance was, when people lived near each other, if my house burns down, you help me rebuild, because if yours burned down, I help you rebuild.
We were a community that shared values, shared morals.
In the United States, they would go to church every week.
matt walsh
You still needed law, though.
I mean, even in a just and moral society, unless we're talking about a literal...
Utopia, where everybody is perfect and we're connected by a neural net.
Or we're talking about heaven.
angela mcardle
Strong cultural norms.
tim pool
This is a pure hypothetical suggestion.
There's no way in reality that literally everyone on this planet would be like, I have the exact moral foundations of Matt Walsh 100%.
But I know, Matt.
And I believe this is true for many people in the United States of all different backgrounds, but largely of Christians, that if they all shared the same moral values, there would be no need for police.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
matt walsh
Well, I would say, even if they share the same moral values, there certainly is a need for police and laws.
So sharing the values, I mean, you can share values, you can have certain values and violate those values and still do bad things.
So, someone can have great Christian values and truly believe in them, and then they can go commit murder.
I mean, it can happen.
But you never would.
Right, I wouldn't, but just because someone does something bad or commits a crime, it doesn't mean that they didn't have those values.
It just means they violated those values because we're a flawed, fallen species.
So, if everyone shares the same values, you still need law.
If we lived in some sort of utopia where everybody shares and actually follows a perfect moral system, Then, in that case, sure.
tim pool
That's what I mean.
It's a hypothetical that doesn't exist.
And so we write things down because it doesn't exist.
angela mcardle
Yeah, I mean, I don't think of it as utopia.
You know, I'm not ever trying to achieve utopia or anything realistic.
I think what I'm trying to do, especially right now, since I've been sort of thrust into this real-world politicking, is what is the bare minimum?
And can we shave off?
All of this crap that we've been talking about, where the justice system has been weaponized and abused and it's grown into just this monster.
Like, what is the bare minimum that we can function at?
And what is preventing us from functioning at that bare minimum?
Is it hordes of people from another culture who are here trying to take advantage?
People are trying to take advantage of them as they come in.
Is it Marxism in academia?
What is preventing us from being our very best?
ian crossland
I think it's a lack of communication about morality because you can have people try and compensate for a lack of good with more law.
And that's a big problem.
So you want to shave down the laws to minimum, but also enhance the good.
And that's a conversation because it's a group.
The group has to agree on that.
tim pool
Let me...
I guess whittle that down in another way.
You're right.
I think there's another way to say it, and it's that the United States has become increasingly less religious.
This is a country where the founding documents are largely built upon the Christian moral tradition.
Whether the founding fathers were deist, secular, or otherwise doesn't matter.
We talk about it quite a bit, but many of the amendments, the ideas of property rights, they are literally rooted in the Christian moral tradition.
And over the past several decades, past couple of generations, We have what Dennis Prager referred to as, I think he calls it cut stem or cut flower politics, where we have removed a generation from the roots of this nation, and we hold the flower and talk about how beautiful it is as it withers and dies.
angela mcardle
Yes.
tim pool
So what you're saying is that we're not having the conversation around morality.
Well, it used to be that kids would go to church, and kids would have a moral tradition in their faith.
I'm not telling everyone you have to believe in God or be Christian.
I'm saying, with that, there were people who grew up and were raised to...
Function under a certain structure.
We don't have that now.
Now kids grow up and they watch a dude dry hump Satan on TV. The morals are just completely gone.
shane cashman
Even worse, though, is the fact that we have people parading themselves around as supposed Christians, like the heretic bishop in this city.
They've recreated Christ in their own image.
angela mcardle
It's insane.
shane cashman
These people think they're Christian and they've mutilated the idea of it.
matt walsh
And it creates this kind of incoherence, which is to your point, that at a certain point it all starts to break down.
You have to understand why.
You can have laws in place, you can have these principles in place, but why are they there?
And even something as basic as the concept of a right, a human right, and we think of this as this universal concept, and we think of it now as a secular concept even, and people who are totally secular and atheists talk about human rights all the time.
But all you have to do is just go follow the thread of a human right, just follow it for a few steps, and you get to a point where, wait a second, what does that mean?
Where does that come from?
A human right in and of itself is a religious concept.
angela mcardle
Spark of divinity.
matt walsh
Right.
Because if there is no God, our notion of human rights in this country is built on the idea that there's a creator God.
Because we were created by God, we have this inherent human dignity, and from there springs our human rights.
Well, if there's no God, then what do you mean right?
Like, what are you talking about?
I have a right.
What do you mean you have a right to it?
Then a right is nothing but a totally arbitrary thing that was written on a piece of paper, and then the people, what that means is that you could just take it off the piece of paper, and it doesn't make any sense for you to say, well, wait a minute, you took away my rights.
tim pool
And this is why the liberals argue as of the Constitution granted us rights.
angela mcardle
Yes.
tim pool
As opposed to the reality in which we are endowed by our creative rights.
angela mcardle
The Constitution recognized our rights.
shane cashman
Their rights are connected to false gods.
And they have no moral center.
ian crossland
A lot of why people have rejected religion, in my opinion, is because they're rejecting authority and being told by a preacher or a priest, this is the way it is.
Because you've seen corruption within churches from time to time.
But the thing is, there's always going to be an author in your life.
There's always going to be an external authority.
And that becomes the television, if you're not careful.
phil labonte
When you talk to a lot of atheists and agnostic people, They tend to sound like teenagers that are mad at their dad.
When it boils down to it.
And I'm a guy that's generally pretty agnostic.
And I still see the impact that religion has.
I see the necessity for it.
I acknowledge the fact that there's been no human civilization in all of human history that didn't have religion.
It's likely that even...
Pre-humans like Neanderthals and other human species had religion as well.
So the idea that religion is something that we can just throw away is a ridiculous proposition.
And when you listen to people that want to be...
Modern atheists or whatever, they always sound like, I don't need a sky daddy.
It's like, well, now you just sound like a kid that's mad at his dad because he took away his Nintendo.
shane cashman
But they want the government to be their sky daddy.
phil labonte
Well, that's the thing.
It always replaces it.
angela mcardle
Instead of tower to heaven, tower of Babel, it feels like it's the inverse, like bureaucratic ladder to hell.
That's the cultural vibe.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story because it's not all bad news.
We got this from the Postmillennial.
Pride flags removed from U.S. outposts worldwide.
Absolutely great news.
Starting immediately, only the United States of America flag is authorized to be flown.
shane cashman
Should have always been the case.
ian crossland
That's kind of reasonable for U.S. proper bases.
angela mcardle
What's that guy standing in front of?
Is that another country's flag?
I hope not.
tim pool
The Trump administration has implemented the new one-flag policy requiring all U.S. embassies and government outposts, both domestic and international, to exclusively fly the American flag.
It is absolutely creepy and a bit terrifying that U.S. embassies and outposts were flying a flag of ideology.
angela mcardle
It's just about sexuality, too.
tim pool
It's super weird.
Well, no, they put the black and the brown stripe on it.
matt walsh
And often flying them in countries, it's a deliberate act of antagonizing a lot of these countries, countries that don't believe in this nonsense.
And this is another one of those things that, you know, it goes to show that what we consider conservative policy ideas, the vast majority of them, are really just common sense.
And they have wide approval.
Because if you go, I don't care, left, right, center.
If someone had no context, and you asked them, well, do you think it makes sense for embassies to only fly American flags?
American embassies?
Like, almost everyone would say, well, yeah, of course.
What else would they fly?
What do you mean?
And yet, these kinds of things were happening all over the place, and as much as the left talks about democracy and the will of the people, they were happening even though the vast majority of people don't support it, and the only reason they got away with it is because the vast majority of people didn't really know that it was happening.
phil labonte
And everybody knows to...
Reference the comment that I was just making.
Everyone knows that if you put up a flag with a Christian cross on it or anything like that, the left would have had an absolute aneurysm.
And those flags are, without a doubt, a religious flag to the left.
So the fact that these things are being taken down, the left is having an absolute fit about it because you're...
You're mocking their religion, and they really look like they had conquered Christianity in the United States, which I think would be a terrible thing.
Again, even though I'm generally an agnostic dude, I think that having gender ideology as the religion that the United States worships, I think there's probably nothing that's worse for society, considering what you end up with is cutting the body parts off of children.
angela mcardle
Pretty perverse.
ian crossland
I think it's reasonable to take religious iconography off of U.S. bases.
I don't know what U.S. outposts are.
I haven't really heard that term thrown around.
I know U.S. embassies.
tim pool
I don't necessarily agree.
I actually have no real concern of Christian iconography in government places the way the liberals really do.
angela mcardle
It's also historical.
tim pool
In our courts, they swear on Bibles.
They offer up other texts.
When the president is being sworn in, they offer up a Bible.
ian crossland
Oh, they offer it.
Yeah, Trump didn't touch the Bible.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess people were upset about that, but whatever.
And there's been an effort throughout my life to try and make the claim that the US government should never have these things but are part of our moral tradition.
And so if I go to a court building or I go to an embassy and there's something related to Christianity, it's just normal.
It's been that way in this country for a long time.
It is the root of our morality in this country.
To replace that with an insane ideology that harms children is devastating.
So I think the philosophy...
The philosophical approach I've been taking, the way I've been approaching this for the past, I guess, year or so, has been more post-liberal.
This idea of these universal principles apply to all things is just incorrect.
And this, as an example, came when I was debating Bobby Sauce on the issue of TikTok.
And he said, look, we don't believe in big government, so we shouldn't give the government the power to do these things.
And my point was...
There are some things that are morally good.
There are some things that are morally bad.
Just because we ban one doesn't mean we ban all.
People make the argument that if we implement a law that will stop the left from doing this one bad thing, later on they can use it against us.
And it's like, okay, well, they're doing a bad thing now.
We're not going to let them keep doing it just because one day someone might do another bad thing.
We stop things we don't like that are bad, and that is they're flying these flags of ideology that are Abhorrent.
And have been destructed to this country.
Stop.
Christianity?
I mean, largely good for this country?
ian crossland
Well, okay, this is a little bit of a tangent, but what's up with the cross?
Like, it's what they killed the dude with.
If your prophet was murdered with a gun, you wouldn't put a gun on a flag and, like, fly that thing, so he wasn't their prophet.
matt walsh
Well, it's...
Jesus Christ's sacrifice and death was the salvation of mankind, and so that's what the cross signifies.
angela mcardle
It's salvation.
And a stark reminder of what was sacrificed, which was pretty heavy stuff there.
ian crossland
But if Jesus was like, I'm not going to do it, I'm not going to do it, and they're like, then die, and they put a gun to his head and killed him, and then they put the gun on the flag, I'd be like, bro, he still got sacrificed.
tim pool
First of all, you're arguing something entirely different.
ian crossland
I know, it's not even the point of the story.
tim pool
I want to stress this, that there is this, as I mentioned, this long-standing effort my whole life to say that religion should be entirely separate, the separation of church and state and all of these things.
But it is, in our Constitution, in our founding documents, literally, what helped the Founding Fathers craft this country that worked so well was quite literally the Christian religion.
I am not a Christian.
I don't follow the same beliefs as Matt, and some people have told me I will burn it out, whatever, but I understand logic.
And I can look at the history of this country and see where we are and why we got here and the beliefs that led us to this place and say, those were good things, largely.
Some things we progressed upon.
We got rid of slavery.
We did things like that.
Which means we've improved upon ourselves.
How did we come to the point where we developed these ideas, wrote them down, and it's our moral tradition?
So, again, if I see a school and they tell kids, like, here are some of the things that we believe, we want to put the Ten Commandments in a courtroom or whatever, I'm like, yeah, I don't care.
angela mcardle
It's the Ten Commandments.
I'm also not offended by Hammurabi's code.
So much of this is also historical.
It's like we just threw out common sense and wisdom.
matt walsh
And these things, to your point, like...
You don't have to like it.
It doesn't matter how you feel about it.
It is just a fact that our system of government is built on Christian ideals.
It just simply is.
And so this is part of our history.
It's part of our identity as a nation, which is why you're exactly right that there is a major difference between a freaking pride flag and a cross.
The pride flag has nothing to do with the history of this nation.
Nothing good has ever been achieved.
Under the pride flag.
Now the cross, and I know you were being a bit, you know, you didn't mean it totally seriously, and I hear this kind of comment, well, why the cross?
And you say it in kind of a flippant way, but it's a valid question.
Why that?
And the answer is that Christ's death and resurrection was our salvation.
But also, the cross itself, and if you're not a Christian, you don't get it.
It doesn't mean a lot to you.
I understand that.
But our civilization was built under this symbol.
People marched under this symbol, not just in this country, but across the Western world.
And we live in the civilization that we do, and every good thing that we have in our lives is really because people believed in the cross, and they went out and they did incredible things, and they fought and they died for the sake of the cross.
And so, I think that even if I wasn't Christian, and it's hard for me to put myself in that mindset, but even if I wasn't Christian, as someone who respects history, and who is a big fan of Western civilization, the civilization I live in, it's a great civilization, I would still have a respect for the cross for that reason alone.
It radically changed.
angela mcardle
Exactly my position.
Christianity radically changed the way that people deal with each other, our human interactions.
Women were treated much better through Christianity.
We were no longer considered like cattle.
It doesn't mean that we're the same as men or that we need to be weird, freaky, only fans, sex people.
Slaves were treated better.
Oh, that's so terrible.
Well, it was a precedent across the entire globe.
matt walsh
And slavery was abolished.
Through Christianity.
The reason why we live in this country right now and why this whole hemisphere is not currently dominated by stone-aged, savage cultures who rip the hearts out of their enemies and eat them and kill and enslave women and children.
The reason why that's not the case is that people came here primarily To spread the Christian gospel.
tim pool
People need to watch Apocalypto.
unidentified
Oh, it's great.
tim pool
Mel Gibson does a real good job, doesn't he?
ian crossland
I believe in the power of Christianity and the general ethos of the meaning of the story and everything, a lot about it.
But I'm also nervous about icons and worshipping icons because the whole Elon threw his hand out and it's like, bro, it's the meaning behind the symbol.
Like the swastika was the wheel of life.
It was the turning of life.
The Hindu symbol of peace or whatever it meant.
But it was a healthy...
Symbol of growth and change and then this wild ideological party came along and co-opted it and made it seem like An evil symbol.
tim pool
I've got to implore you to maybe perhaps watch some George Carlin comedy.
I love that.
1992, I think it was 1992 special, where George Carlin literally says every racial slur imaginable and then ends by calling Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor the N-word.
And let me finish.
And everyone laughs.
And then George Carlin says, it's not the word, it's the man behind them.
And you know that I don't actually feel that way about these guys.
The point he was making.
Was that the actions of the individual matter when Elon Musk grabs his chest and then grunts and throws his arm up.
ian crossland
He says, my heart goes out to you.
And he throws his energy out to the field.
tim pool
But it doesn't matter if it resembled the Roman salute.
It matters the man behind what had happened.
And Elon was not hailing Hitler or praising an ideology.
He was literally saying, thanks to all of you, my heart goes out to you.
So we ask ourselves, what is the intention and who is the man behind the words?
Elon Musk was not in the process of being a white supremacist.
matt walsh
And no one really believes that Elon Musk is a Nazi.
Of course he's not.
And if we lived in a saner culture, then we could just have a laugh about it.
It's objectively kind of funny that he made that gesture and what it meant for him was, I'm sending my heart out to you.
That's just funny, so you laugh at it, and then you move on.
But to your point about icons, it goes back to, Not all icons are the same.
But also, this is just part of what it means to be a human being.
Symbolism and icons, it means something to us.
I think it's one of the things that makes us people.
A symbol means nothing to a monkey or a rhinoceros.
It means nothing to them.
But to human beings, we imbue these things with meaning.
Now, if you want to get really...
You know, utilitarian about it, and I was like, well, why?
I mean, why that exact collection of lines and stuff that looks like, like, why does that matter?
You know, and you could dissect it to death, but I think sort of the answer is, well, just because we're human.
I mean, it's because we're human.
ian crossland
Sacred geometry of things, like cymatics, where vibration will cause certain shapes.
matt walsh
Human, written language is...
These are all symbols.
Letters are just symbols that mean something else, that stand for something else.
tim pool
It's actually quite simple.
I can explain to you iconography.
They're simply human compression files.
That's it.
When Matt Walsh sees the symbol of the cross, all of the information related to Christianity is...
It lights up in his mind.
ian crossland
I think about the Hebrew alphabet, the ancient...
The ancient texts of the Hebrew alphabet, I think they were sitting, like if you study cymatics where you'll change the frequency and you have like sand on a vibrating membrane, you get these wild shapes and patterns will appear depending on what frequency.
So these dudes are on a beach and they have a goatskin and they're playing the drums and they're throwing sand gets on the drums and they go, oh, they make a certain sound and then it makes a certain pattern.
And they're like, whoa.
So they write that pattern down and they remember that's the sound of that shape and that's where alphabet comes from.
Potentially.
tim pool
I don't think that's true because there's many different languages that have different symbols for different sounds.
That's true.
But let's jump to this next story.
We've got this one from 404 Media.
TikTok says it is not censoring Free Palestine comments.
Users see something different.
Well, we have this video where it says TikTok is dead.
Free Palestine is now considered a symbol of hate speech.
Take a look at this video.
So in it, you can see them type in Free Palestine as a comment.
They then, they're watching Hassan of all people, go to their notifications and refresh and refresh and sure enough, they show system notification.
A comment you posted on the date was removed for violating our community guidelines.
Now, apparently a bunch of people are reporting this, that when you go on TikTok and type in Free Palestine, you will get the comment removed.
we can see a bunch of these.
Comment details.
Free Palestine. Removed.
404 Media.
I'm sorry.
That looks like an ad or whatever.
But many people are reporting the same thing.
404 Media reports.
Several TikTok users posted screenshots on X and Blue Sky showing a message they received after trying to comment Free Palestine.
They're going to say, I tried this myself on Tuesday morning using two different throwaway TikTok accounts.
Using one account, I could comment Free Palestine without a problem.
The comment is still up.
Using another, my free Palestine comments were immediately removed, repeatedly, and I received a notification that I had violated the TikTok community guidelines.
I could comment with a nonsense phrase, free shavocado, using the same account, however, and TikTok didn't remove it.
A spokesperson for TikTok told 404 the platform's policies and algorithms did not change over the weekend, adding that they're working on restoring U.S. operations back to normal.
What I've heard from a lot of these people, they believe there's a conspiracy.
That when TikTok went dark, Donald Trump took it over and that it was now under the control of Israeli interests or something to that effect.
angela mcardle
Is that illegal to say in another country?
Did they plug in the wrong countries?
tim pool
Free Palestine?
I don't think it's illegal to say anywhere.
I don't even think in Israel it's illegal to say.
angela mcardle
Pretty wild.
tim pool
Now, free Israel.
If you said something like pro-Israel, there's a lot of countries that absolutely you'd get in trouble for.
I think in Malaysia it's a crime.
To defend Israel.
I could be wrong.
ian crossland
Whether they're being coerced into this, or they're just like, whatever we gotta do to maintain presence in the United States.
You want us to ban the enemy of the country you're supporting in war?
Then we'll ban it.
Whatever you gotta do.
We want our spy tech in your country.
angela mcardle
I don't support it, but I don't know what's going on.
I mean, this is really vague.
matt walsh
Well, look, at least you can still shout, freesh avocado.
angela mcardle
That is really encouraging.
matt walsh
That's my number one issue.
angela mcardle
I think everyone should just switch over to saying that, and if that gets banned, then you'll know.
ian crossland
Delicious food, by the way.
angela mcardle
Free shavocado.
Shavocado from the river to the sea.
tim pool
Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen are listed as having some restriction on expressions of support for Israel.
So there are a lot of countries.
I don't know that any country bans you saying anything about Palestine, though.
angela mcardle
Interesting.
ian crossland
Just a private company.
tim pool
So the reason why this story is pretty big is because the argument was, and I believe this is true, it was only after October 7th and pro-Palestinian content became prominent on TikTok that Democrats got on board with Republicans to force China to divest.
I believe as we've gone over ad nauseum, for those of you that watch every show, we put the data from Axios that seems to suggest TikTok made an algorithmic change to promote pro-Palestinian content.
After October 7th, there was 123,000 pro-Palestine comments.
It was, I stand with Palestine.
Only 11 million views.
In the next week, with 87,000, it jumped to 285 million views, which is indicative of an algorithmic push.
I am not telling you to support one country or another.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, after this change happened, Democrats all of a sudden changed their tune and said, yeah, we actually think this app should be banned.
Now, if it is true that TikTok is actually banning free Palestine, Perhaps they are trying to now court favor with those that sought their forced divestiture.
angela mcardle
I'm confused.
Is it that Democrats don't like Palestine or they don't like China?
tim pool
Democrats are, presumably, the argument is, after this, what appears to be an algorithmic change, many groups lobbied to Democrats saying China has altered the algorithm in a way that subverts U.S. foreign policy interests.
angela mcardle
I see.
tim pool
Now, depending on which...
The reality is, if it is true that ByteDance or TikTok or whatever changed the algorithm, going against American foreign policy, whatever it may be, is going to be terrifying to American politicians.
And so they're going to say, hey, that's a security threat.
And as much as a lot of people who hate Israel are saying it's a conspiracy, that's true.
No, these politicians were on TV talking about this.
Democrats and Republicans went on TV and said, the support, you know, the attacks on Israel that we see on the platform, it's bad for this country.
So this has some people now speculating that TikTok was either seized, which is the conspiracy, by the U.S., or this is what they need to do to avoid being banned, which is not the case.
angela mcardle
That's kind of annoying.
Why don't they just change their algorithm so that people can say free Palestine without it becoming prioritized and, like, fake trending?
ian crossland
Just downrank it?
Shadow ban it?
angela mcardle
No, just let it be what it is.
matt walsh
Don't give it any particular rank.
angela mcardle
Yeah, just let it be what it works.
ian crossland
That's kind of a form of shadow banning.
tim pool
But no, no, it doesn't matter.
Algorithms can't do that.
Algorithms, if they automate the algorithm, it is going to swing in one direction based on what the program dictates.
And that's going to go before or against American foreign policy interests.
And as we know, in the United States for the longest time, up until recently...
Our social media was absolutely prioritizing the federal government's policy interests over the free speech of the American people.
ian crossland
And this, I mean, Trump is more pro-Israel, it seems, than Biden was.
He canceled foreign aid to every country on Earth except Israel.
angela mcardle
He's like pro-Israel, but also pro-make-a-deal so Palestinian people could stop being killed, too.
Like, I think he's just...
I think he's better on this just across the board than Biden was.
ian crossland
The reason I even brought that up is because I think that's why you're seeing this shift is because they're sympathetic to Trump being in office.
And I'm like, well, he's pro-Israel, so let's go a little less pro-power.
tim pool
Maybe they are.
ian crossland
It's all business, baby.
tim pool
TikTok is going to want to operate four years safely, so they're going to throw Trump and conservatives a bone or whoever needs to hear it.
And then once Trump's out of office, they're going to bomb the algorithm with Dylan Mulvaney and other like-minded ideas that subvert the minds of the next generation.
And right now, it seems that many people in the conservative movement are in favor of what TikTok is doing.
I think it's terrifying.
ian crossland
Can you clarify that?
You said a couple other countries, too.
He didn't cancel foreign aid, too.
I don't know anything.
matt walsh
I believe there's a couple others.
ian crossland
Do you know off the top of your head?
matt walsh
No, I think there was two others.
angela mcardle
Cancel as much as we can.
That makes me so, so happy.
No more welfare queens across the world.
I mean, I'm surprised that they wouldn't censor something like from the river to the sea instead of free Palestine, which seems a little bit more innocuous.
phil labonte
I mean, I'm surprised that it is.
If it is being censored, it surprises me.
angela mcardle
It surprises me, too.
That's really not a scary phrase.
I understand the arguments that...
Like, talking about hang gliders and freedom fighters of people who murdered other people, okay.
But it's like, free Palestine, okay, well, you know.
shane cashman
Even if I disagree with those, they should be allowed.
angela mcardle
There you go.
shane cashman
It sucks, but...
angela mcardle
I'm just surprised.
tim pool
I heard that Trump paused for an aid, and then yesterday someone said, except for Israel.
shane cashman
I think there are others.
phil labonte
Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, if I understand correctly.
tim pool
I looked that up, but is that confirmed?
phil labonte
That's what the information that I have, I can't see.
tim pool
When I looked up, I didn't see that.
But let me try and get direct sources.
angela mcardle
Hopefully we don't get more aggressive social media censorship.
ian crossland
Oh, jeez.
I mean, the thing about TikTok is it is owned by ByteDance, which serves the CCP in a lot of ways.
angela mcardle
It's a totally crazy, you know, unhinged platform.
ian crossland
It's like, I mean, I don't know the Chinese Communist Party.
I don't know anyone in the party.
I would love to, but...
I have heard like, yo, that's very bad.
What they're doing is wrong.
angela mcardle
What they're doing is heavy censorship.
ian crossland
Like full force, just violent, shutting down protests.
Like the Tiananmen Square massacre apparently was horrific.
So I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if they're just like, smack it.
shane cashman
They have Uyghurs in concentration camps.
They're terrible.
tim pool
I don't know that those countries are exempt.
angela mcardle
Oh, really?
tim pool
Let me just read, just to make sure.
So I'm reading the executive order.
It says, 90-day pause in United States foreign development assistance for assessment of programmatic efficiencies and consistency with United States foreign policy.
All department agency heads with responsibility for United States foreign development assistance programs shall immediately pause new obligations and disbursements of development assistance funds to foreign countries and implementing non-governmental organizations, international organizations, and contractors pending reviews of such programs for programmatic efficiency and consistency with United States policy.
To be connected with 90 days of this order, the OMB shall enforce this, blah, blah, blah.
phil labonte
PBS is reporting that some of the biggest recipients of U.S. assistance, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, are unlikely to see dramatic reductions as those amounts are included in long-term packages that date back decades or in some cases governed by treaty obligations.
tim pool
Sure, that's presumptive.
That's them saying perhaps.
The executive order doesn't have any exceptions.
It literally just says we're going to review all foreign aid.
angela mcardle
Nice.
ian crossland
So he could like...
Right before he signs the order, be like, send them $100 billion.
All right, no more, no more.
angela mcardle
He could.
tim pool
The president can't just give money like that.
angela mcardle
Oh, you're right.
It's an act of Congress.
That's got to go through Congress.
tim pool
Right, so a lot of these executive orders are interesting because Congress will pass a law.
The TikTok ban, for instance, is a law passed by Congress, signed by the president, upheld by the Supreme Court.
Trump has no authority to stop that.
He can instruct federal law enforcement not to enforce it.
But he cannot take away the penalties from companies.
He tried to, but that's not within the scope of the president's powers.
So, as of right now, once again, Google has not restored TikTok.
Trump's executive order was largely meaningless.
angela mcardle
I think this is wild.
I mean, okay, it's an act of Congress.
I'm not a fan.
ian crossland
I don't think they did it right.
angela mcardle
No, I'm not a fan.
tim pool
I'm a big fan of the ban of TikTok.
angela mcardle
Tell me more.
Tell me why.
tim pool
Why would we allow a foreign country to control mass media in the United States and a strong portion, not the biggest, not a majority, but a strong portion of our economy?
angela mcardle
Couldn't we have worked out some other sort of deal so that that didn't happen?
Change your algorithm.
tim pool
Open source the algorithm and give the U.S. full control of it.
angela mcardle
I don't know if we even need full control, but it's like, can we actually see what's going on?
Maybe just a little bit of transparency?
tim pool
Nope.
Because then they just show us that they're screwing over Gen Z and Gen Alpha, and we watch them do it.
Look, what people need to understand about TikTok or any other social media platform, even X, Facebook, YouTube, etc., is that they're going to apply a...
The system is going to be built on pressures they can apply.
What YouTube did, and this is proven by data, was they created a recommendation algorithm that favored the left by a small percentage, but substantial.
With the intention of stopping Donald Trump.
There was a researcher in Australia who posted this, and you could see that if you went to a conservative YouTuber's channel, after you watched their video, there was a certain percentage of recommendation that would be liberal-leaning.
If you went to a liberal channel, you would get very little, if any, conservative.
Meaning, if someone said, hey, watch this video about immigration from Matt Walsh, and you clicked on it, After you were done, it would autoplay a liberal arguing the opposite.
If someone said, hey, watch this video from the Young Turks, and you clicked it, the next video would be another liberal arguing the same thing.
That creates a flow towards the ideology they want.
TikTok is doing that.
Look, there was a...
angela mcardle
Is it different than what YouTube does, though?
I mean, how different is it?
tim pool
The difference is that in the United States, I can file a lawsuit against YouTube, but we can elect a president who then issues an executive order, and YouTube bends the knee and apologizes.
I can file lawsuits about violation of contracts.
I can't do that with the Chinese Communist Party.
angela mcardle
How much of TikTok is owned by China, though?
I thought it was not the entire company.
tim pool
Right.
It's a small percentage, and that's why they have to divest from it, because they do collect the data.
Some of the reports that have come up about what TikTok collects...
They inject JavaScript key loggers if you open any links through the app.
And it's been reported, and this could be wrong, reported that it collects data from other apps on your phone.
That data goes outside this country to a foreign agency.
But I'm not even as concerned.
That's very terrifying if those reports are true.
Maybe they're not.
The worrying thing to me is that Dylan Mulvaney had 13 million followers and Riley Gaines had 600,000.
That stuff's patently obvious.
Prominent Trump-supporting and conservative voices were banned.
And that's why Trump and conservatives came out initially and said, we have to shut this down.
They're attempting to swing the politics of the United States.
matt walsh
Let me ask you that, because this is an issue that I haven't staked out very firm ground on, which is one of the things that sucks about what we do is that everything that happens, you're never allowed to go, hmm, I'm not sure exactly how I feel about that.
You have to immediately know exactly how you feel.
But sometimes I'm just like, okay, I can kind of see it from both ways.
And this is one of those things, I can kind of see it both ways.
And I do agree with you that, to me, the more compelling aspect of the argument is about how this is harmful to kids and how it's polluting the minds of children.
To me, just as a parent, the way that I think, I care more about that.
The stuff about, oh, the Chinese government is, well, it's like, everything we do on our phone, nothing we do is private.
All the information is out there.
It's hard to even fear-monger about that stuff anymore.
None of us have any privacy at all.
But that part does resonate.
But then my issue with that is, you know, okay, so you ban TikTok.
Well, then there's approximately 600 billion other websites and apps that are just as harmful to the young mind, and then they just go to that.
So part of me thinks, if we're going to get to the point, now like banning an app, that's a big step.
And I'm not necessarily opposed to big steps.
Sometimes you gotta, especially to protect kids, big steps, okay.
But it's like, I wouldn't start with TikTok.
I would start with, like, we're not OnlyFans.
I mean, it's literally a prostitution app.
This is a multi-billion dollar cyber prostitution ring.
Why don't we ban that?
And then start talking about some of these social media apps.
tim pool
The way I view it is, we here in the United States have a set of rules, laws, and absolutely, let's have Congress ban OnlyFans, or at least require submitted IDs to these things to prove your age and protect children the way we would in the real world.
And so my view is largely, two things can be bad.
So right now my concern is, I'll put it this way, YouTube, Facebook, X, they were manipulating us.
for political ends.
And we challenged them.
There were whistleblowers.
There were journalists who did great work.
There were lawsuits that we won that got information revealed.
There were debates.
I had a debate with Twitter's executives with Joe Rogan.
And we won.
We called them out and we swayed the American mind and we have affected positive change.
Imperfect, but positive change so far.
We will never know what the algorithm of TikTok does.
TikTok is banned in China.
They won't let their kids watch it.
They don't let their country use it.
And ByteDance, which is Chinese-owned and owns a portion of TikTok, has access to the data as well as control over the algorithm.
And you know, in China, if the Communist Party comes to you and says, do it, they will.
So I understand that there are many different bad things.
China buying farmland is a bad thing.
Let's stop that, too.
I think OnlyFans is horrifying, and there should be restrictions.
I don't think it is a simple issue of This is an app that's bad for the minds of our kids, so we're going to ban it.
This is out of the control and scope of the United States.
We can ban OnlyFans.
We can file lawsuits.
We can change the law.
We have changed the law for TikTok.
It's not a ban.
It's a forced divestiture.
So China can sell off their portion to an American company, and there's no problem.
matt walsh
Yeah, I will say that, being still kind of on the fence on it, I will say that...
To see some conservatives, I mean, if you're conservative, you're like, well, I'm against the ban for these principled reasons.
Okay, I can get that.
But I am uncomfortable to see some conservatives seem like have circled the wagon around TikTok to the point that they're now, like, very pro-TikTok, where TikTok is a good thing.
And no matter where you stand on the ban, we should all at least be on the same page that this is just objectively not good.
To have kids who just spend all day scrolling this damn thing and watching these videos, your whole life is this.
I mean, we've got kids, this is their whole life now.
Their whole life is just, and I know a billion other people complain about this, but this is a major crisis to have entire generations of kids.
It's not even a human existence.
It's this robotic existence of just staring mindlessly and having your mind controlled by an algorithm.
So we should at least all, no matter where you stand on the band, it's like this is not a good thing.
And we should all be able to agree on that at least.
tim pool
Agreed.
And have you seen our breakdown of Dylan Mulvaney's content in the past?
I'm not assuming you did.
I'm assuming you probably haven't.
matt walsh
No, I don't think so.
tim pool
When this whole Dylan Mulvaney Bud Light thing was going on...
I, in my research, pulled up Mulvaney's posts and went to the earliest posts, and what do you find?
Dylan Mulvaney was doing something called Gay Safari, and he was a theater kid, gay singer, who was trying to make a show.
He was trying to be famous.
There's the viral video where Dylan Mulvaney goes on The Price is Right and wigs out.
That's the best way to describe it.
runs around in circles, does a fake rowboat, rolls around on the ground, and you're carries like, okay, what's he doing?
angela mcardle
Very slapstick.
tim pool
Very much, please look at me.
Dylan Mulvaney created a series of videos that weren't really getting any traction.
Eventually, Mulvaney made a video something about coming out as non-binary.
The views were higher.
Then some gay safari videos and some other videos that didn't really get a lot of views.
And then I'm trans.
More views.
What had happened was the algorithm told Dylan Mulvaney.
We will promote this and not this, that but not this.
And so Dylan Mulvaney was making content.
Some worked, some didn't.
And as soon as Mulvaney did the trans thing and got a bunch of views, Mulvaney then started doubling down, increasingly undergoing body modification to adhere to what the algorithm had demanded of him, now making Dylan Mulvaney what Mulvaney is today.
If you look at some of the earliest Dylan Mulvaney Days of Girlhood videos, it is obvious.
Satire.
Dylan Mulvaney undergoing no treatments or surgeries, insulting women in a comedic routine, saying, now that I'm a woman, I'm going to go buy a dress that costs too much money and complain about, you know, just very offensive stereotypes about women.
But how do you chase the algorithm if every day you have to do one degree more instead of going back to doing gay safari, which wasn't popular?
Dylan Mulvaney did what the algorithm told him to do, which is get surgery.
shane cashman
I agree.
The algorithms are all bad, and they harm children, but I want to connect it to how we were talking about rights and crime earlier.
I think we need a renaissance in good parenting again, because I see so many parents outsourcing their parenting to the internet, and these kids are stuck in Doomscroll life, and they need to get back to actually raising children.
matt walsh
I mean, I agree with the principle.
I just want to speak to that for a minute, and I hear that response anytime I talk about, I mean, one of my big issues is, At least age verification on all these porn sites.
There's no argument against it.
Not any rational one.
And I'm very much in favor of banning a lot of these sites outright, which I know puts me...
The libertarians won't go along with that.
I often hear that.
I often hear, well, this is about the parents.
Parents should do their jobs.
And I agree.
But also, I think sometimes we understate Just how rigged everything is against parents.
unidentified
It is so difficult.
matt walsh
Your kids are going out into a world where this stuff is everywhere.
It is just everywhere.
Parents need a little help.
We can't do it all on our own.
I've gone as extreme as you can on this issue with my own kids in that my kids don't have phones.
We just don't do phones.
We don't do internet in the house.
It's not going to last forever.
Eventually, they're going to have a phone.
And for a lot of other kids, they do have phones.
I'm opposed to giving your kids a phone, but it's not this extreme move.
And then also, even if you don't give your kid a phone, if they go to school somewhere, my kids are homeschooled, but if they go to school somewhere, they're around kids that have it.
angela mcardle
And friends have phones.
matt walsh
Right.
They go to a friend's house.
And so they still have access to all those screens.
And so it's just impossible.
The parent, you can't, unless you're going to lock your kid in a room until they're 18 years old and give them no access to any kind of media, unless you're going to do that, they're going to have access to it.
But then there's this attitude of like, we're not going to do anything to help parents on this at all.
And I just don't get that.
Because there are basic things that are low cost, require almost no sacrifice.
Age verification on these sites.
What's the downside?
The only downside is for the porn sites.
tim pool
I have an idea.
I was talking with Allison about this, because we're having our kids soon, and I said, why don't we build an underground bunker where everything looks like the 90s, and we will raise our child for 18 years as if it was the 90s, the 90s technology, and you can't go outside because the air is poisonous, and then one day...
When she's old enough, expose her to what the world is really like.
angela mcardle
I mean, the other concern, aside from parenting, though, is millions of people had shops on here and they made a living on here.
And they weren't all just, like, insufferable Dylan Mulvaney clickbaiters.
They sold t-shirts, they sold mugs, like a TikTok shop.
And a lot of people got really hurt.
tim pool
And that's the manipulation.
They dangle a crying woman in front of you and say, but look at the poor asylum seeker as the child traffickers are running across the border.
So TikTok says, we have 7 million entrepreneurs selling mugs and shirts.
Why won't you let us corrupt the mind of your children?
And I say, I'm not going to be swayed by the sympathies of these people.
I get it.
I feel bad for them.
But the first thing we see when Trump signs his executive order...
These journalists put out videos of crying migrant women.
Because they're trying to manipulate you into accepting that we are being exploited and abused in extreme ways.
So TikTok has a lot of good people on it, and that's fine.
But if all we are asking is the company divest from a codified foreign adversary, that's not unreasonable.
You want to sell your mugs?
You go ahead and do it.
But this company has access to a foreign security threat that's going to manipulate the algorithm, and it's going to take our data.
So we just asked them, sell it off, make your money, let the company operate.
And they said no, and TikTok, of their own volition, shut down.
The law did not require them to do so.
They faked that.
And then they came back and said, thank you, Donald Trump, for bringing us back.
Never did.
TikTok is still banned in the App Store on Apple and Google because that's what the law actually did.
angela mcardle
Are they going to divest?
tim pool
No.
They said they won't do it.
angela mcardle
Do we think Donald Trump can convince them?
tim pool
No.
And the question I have for you guys then is, if it's about making money and running a business, and ByteDance only owns a portion, or China only owns a portion, these investors only own a portion, why not just sell?
You've got the brunt of the U.S. government saying sell or lose everything.
They chose to go to zero instead of...
$20 billion?
phil labonte
I'm curious.
They want to use their influence over the American people to try and get the American people to convince politicians to change.
But also, if...
I truly believe that if TikTok isn't, like if the Chinese Communist Party is removed from TikTok totally, then it's not, it's of no value to the Chinese Communist Party.
So they don't want to divest because it's an apparatus of money.
tim pool
Money is not a consideration for the Chinese Communist Party.
You have to ask yourself, especially in international exchange, what is money?
Money is largely meaningless on the oil market.
So when we say China divest TikTok, There should be a divorce divestiture.
They're thinking to themselves...
$10 billion doesn't move the needle for us.
The ability to convince 170 million Americans that Osama bin Laden was right, which was happening on TikTok, is worth more than a trillion dollars to these people.
phil labonte
It's absolutely about espionage and influencing American opinion.
ian crossland
I think if they did sell to an American company, they would have the algorithm.
They'd be like, you've been doing what for the last five years with our people?
angela mcardle
Do we have a shareholder statement?
I haven't read anything.
tim pool
It's not publicly traded.
angela mcardle
Oh, I understand now.
I understand.
tim pool
So there is, I believe, as of recent...
angela mcardle
I assume there's private shareholders.
tim pool
Yes.
I believe there's a conservative billionaire who owns a small piece, and the reporting is several prominent individuals in Trump's sphere were paid to lobby on behalf of TikTok, and they did.
And so while I deeply respect Charlie Kirk for all the work he did in helping Trump get elected, I will absolutely criticize his one...
180-degree spin from demanding the ban of TikTok over and over again to the, without any real reason, I don't understand why, he flipped and said, Trump saved TikTok.
We did this.
Hooray.
I don't understand where he's coming from with that.
matt walsh
Matt, you've said earlier, what's the reason that he...
tim pool
I've not seen one.
Maybe that's just me, but he had been leading the charge.
In 2020, Trump called for the banning of TikTok.
Because it was censoring conservative opinion and propping up the likes of, you know, Dylan Mulvaney is one example.
Charlie Kirk was very much for years saying we must ban it.
It's a CCP threat.
matt walsh
I've not heard an explanation where he said it's no longer a threat from the CCP. Well, I mean, and I'm not familiar with his view then versus now, but I will say in fairness to Charlie that, you know, people change their views on this.
You know, people change their opinions.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
matt walsh
And that's one of the...
Like I said, one of the problems being in our position is that we have to have an opinion on everything right away.
The other thing is that whatever your opinion is, it has to stay that forever.
You're not allowed to change your opinion.
tim pool
I would agree with it to a certain extent.
Some things are fact questions that I don't understand why your opinion would change.
Matt, if you ever came to me and told me you decided to agree on child sex changes, I'd think someone hit you on the head or something like that.
That's not possible.
angela mcardle
This is a little more complex than that, though.
tim pool
Not if you spent years saying this is a CCP threat to the United States, and now you're saying, hooray, we have TikTok back.
angela mcardle
I assume that he is assuming that President Trump is going to get them to divest or make some sort of change.
tim pool
Perhaps.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a reason.
angela mcardle
Sure.
tim pool
But I would say it is rather strange how in lockstep so many people just decided to march.
One by one, prominent conservatives changed their opinions without real explanation.
angela mcardle
Well, I mean, you know, one criticism I have over the conservative community is they usually are pretty lockstep.
tim pool
I would say tendency, not absolute.
matt walsh
I would say it's often the opposite.
tim pool
You think so?
matt walsh
Yeah.
tim pool
And the woke are the ones who are marching in lockstep.
angela mcardle
Oh, they're like hive mind.
I mean, I would say that's...
matt walsh
From my perspective, on the right, it's been a little different for the last couple of weeks because of the feeling of victory and everything.
We're feeling good, but...
Generally, the problem is almost the opposite, where we're not locked up about anything.
It's just this constant infighting and backbiting and feuding and all of this.
angela mcardle
I guess that's encouraging for me to hear, because there's only one true libertarian, and it's every libertarian for himself.
And it always seems like the conservative community has it together a little bit more, with the exception of the explosion of a...
You know, the Israel controversy recently.
tim pool
The right is currently right now, or however you describe what the right is, I don't know.
Debating TikTok.
Not marching in lockstep.
Interesting.
There were a few prominent individuals who came out in favor of TikTok, like a 180, and then lesser, I don't mean lesser morally, but like smaller personalities with lesser followings, all of a sudden inverted their positions as well, and started arguing, I would...
Look, with all due respect, I'm going to criticize people where they deserve it.
Riley Gaines posted an image of Chinese farmland in the United States and said, how is TikTok a bigger threat than this?
My first response is, a single federal agent with a clipboard can seize all of that farmland with no question.
But you can't seize back the mind of 170 million people.
Outside of that, the image that was shared by Riley showed that the entire island of Hawaii had been purchased by China, which is clearly not correct.
So there are people sharing these fake memes.
They're engaging in sophistry to defend a platform that has a foreign adversary in control of it, and there doesn't seem to be a legitimate reason.
Two things can be bad.
matt walsh
I'm sure you've thought about this, but if you had Charlie and Riley or whoever else on the show and you guys debated this, as someone who's a squishy fence rider on this thing, I'd be very interested to watch...
That debate with you guys.
angela mcardle
I am also a squishy fence rider on this.
I thought Matt Walsh and I would be like firing gasoline, but we're both like, I don't know.
tim pool
One of the biggest fears, are you guys familiar with Elsagate?
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
You're familiar with Elsagate?
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
Matt?
This is seven years ago, so this is when...
angela mcardle
I have a toddler, so I just recently...
It started.
tim pool
With these long-form, unspoken videos emerging of people dressed like Elsa, Spider-Man, and the Joker chasing each other around.
What was happening was people were putting iPads in front of their babies and pressing play.
The auto-player would then choose the top keywords for children.
Spider-Man, Elsa, Joker, the Hulk.
But the Hulk wasn't really in a lot of those videos.
And then it would auto-play it for the baby who could not choose what it was watching.
This devolved into absolute psychotic content.
Images of children eating feces.
Men injecting saline for no reason into little girls.
Thumbnail images of children drinking out of urinals.
And it was because the algorithm was promoting these things.
Babies weren't choosing it.
And individuals were using computer programs to just generate what...
They would look at the YouTube API and look at what was hitting views for children.
And then they would inject those things into a program which would auto-generate these videos, which became increasingly disturbing.
Videos of a teddy bear brutally beating a child while the child is forced to eat out of a toilet were getting tens of thousands, millions of views.
And then you got the Finger Family song, where people in India started making these absolutely insane videos, the most famous of which was Hitler.
With a woman's body in a bikini doing Tai Chi with the Incredible Hulk while an Indian family sang the song Finger Family.
This was the algorithmic chaos.
It wasn't intentionally done.
So when I see problems like this, and this is causing psychological disorders in children, because this is not reality, where we end up in 10 years, things are starting to get a bit crazier as these kids are growing up.
The algorithmic problems we saw with the pushing of wokeness and other leftist ideas was corrupting a generation.
We were largely defeating that.
And I felt very optimistic, especially now with Mark Zuckerberg apologizing with Elon Musk buying X. Now we have TikTok, which is unaccountable and doing the exact same thing.
And we have conservatives cheering for...
TikTok to remain able to continue doing what we have been fighting for nearly a decade.
ian crossland
This ties in.
This is what I've been thinking and wanting to say for about 20 minutes now.
Matt, you brought up interesting people getting embedded in the machine.
Children especially.
Like, this is their life.
I am in the machine.
I'm concerned that humans are evolving and that we will, if this continues, evolve into two different species.
Literally.
A technocratic, like a cyborg human that is...
Fully rely on this, that has the AI doing its thinking for it, becomes a hive mind, and literally that there will be a war between these species like Neanderthal and Hominid, a Homo sapien.
Like, you can't have two alpha species on the planet.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, first I'll pause here because you have made tremendous leaps.
ian crossland
It's a more general look at the danger of children being embedded in the tech.
tim pool
Getting to two species and then getting to the war between them is very far in the future.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm nipping it in the boat.
tim pool
We do have to go to Super Chat, so we're way behind.
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We recorded before the show because we have time constraints here where we are.
Um, but it was an interesting conversation about Russell Brook.
You're meeting with, uh, Donald Trump.
So if you want to watch that, it's on TimCast.com.
It should be up right now, and it's very fascinating.
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There's a litany of community and content that's being produced there, and they want to be friends with you.
But let's read your superchats.
AlphaTurkey says, Tim, do you still stand that Trump will be a marginally good president or be far better than the first term?
Also, welcome, Matt.
I stand corrected.
I said Trump would be a marginally good president like he was in his first term.
He'll get another chance to do so, but in these past few days, the dude walked right up and hit a grand slam.
So I'm much, much more optimistic, and I would change my statement to say, I believe Trump is going to be the greatest president of my lifetime.
He already is.
But I will say that it's a low bar.
Practically on the ground, as it were.
But Trump is going to be an absolutely great president who's already done tremendous things.
I'm curious if you guys agree.
shane cashman
I'm skeptical of Project Stargate and building a digital god with the $500 billion shrine to AI that all those companies are putting together that he announced yesterday.
That's the one thing.
I love everything else, but that is concerning to me.
angela mcardle
Yeah, I'm skeptical of Stargate and working with OpenAI after the whistleblower stuff has come out.
I think there's some concerning things there.
Don't even talk about that anymore.
I feel like, aside from that, we have a huge upward trajectory, and the vibe shift in the United States is amazing.
And I feel really good since the inauguration.
phil labonte
I kind of echo the feeling about OpenAI.
I am concerned about Sam Altman.
I don't think that he's a stand-up guy.
But that being said, People that are concerned about AI overall, I mean, look, if the United States doesn't do it, China or another country is going to.
shane cashman
I get it.
Just because it's inevitable doesn't mean it's good.
And it's going to replace humans.
phil labonte
I disagree with that.
shane cashman
It'll happen soon.
phil labonte
I don't believe that it's going to replace humans.
But I do think that if you allow, if we don't have the, if we're not cutting edge on AI, then you're going to fall behind.
A country like China that is on the rise can use the incredible benefits that AI will bring to a marketplace and can overtake a country like the United States.
shane cashman
And they're selling Stargate as these beautiful benefits, the same way Elon sells Neuralink, which the short-term benefits are beautiful.
They cure these different diseases.
Open AI, they're saying they're going to cure cancer, but they're going to build a giant surveillance state apparatus that'll be way...
Worse than anything we could possibly imagine.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that's good.
shane cashman
Predictive program, like programmatic policing, all these things are going to be very ugly very soon.
ian crossland
So Stargate program, right now, its point is it will map your, I think, your personal genome and then...
through the mRNA.
shane cashman
That's mRNA medicine.
ian crossland
And I think mRNAs got really vilified over the last five years because of a lot of the mandates of the vaccines and things that the mRNA was new.
But that doesn't mean it's bad.
It could be extremely valuable to be, but you are right about it tailoring and mapping your genetics and having access to it, which could also create bioweapons, particularly against your genetics.
tim pool
We'll just try to move on and get some, We got this from SM69. He says, That's creepy.
That's what I was referring to earlier, though, that they're trying to rename these departments to avoid getting terminated.
angela mcardle
Oh, time to fire him.
Yeah.
There's a way to fire them.
You just have to work harder, and you just have to do it.
Look up, ask them, what do you do?
If they can't answer you in eight seconds, fired.
tim pool
These guys should have been confirmed already.
shane cashman
For sure.
phil labonte
Yeah.
angela mcardle
Who, Cash?
tim pool
All of them.
angela mcardle
Oh, yes.
And everybody needs to go and call and lobby your senators.
Senators in particular, especially if you're in Maine or Alaska.
Tell your senator that you want them to vote for Cash.
tim pool
They're dragging their feet.
All right, Jason says, I work in DOD Public Affairs.
We scrubbed our websites of all the DEI nonsense today.
It felt good, like smashing the printer in office space.
I hear that.
Suave Bros says, Gun Owners of America posted on X that the ATF DEI officer is now the executive officer.
That's how they will keep it around to get around it.
We did bring that up.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, they're going to try to do that kind of stuff.
angela mcardle
That's okay.
phil labonte
But thankfully, because of platforms like X and people that are looking to facilitate the change, these things are going to be brought to the attention of the people in charge.
And hopefully, they'll be able to make adjustments and actually...
We'll find them.
angela mcardle
We'll find them, and we'll say, like, good job on trying to hide that.
Best of luck in the private sector, and see you later.
You know, thanks for making my day more entertaining, and you're out.
tim pool
Tyler Bratton says, The Chicken Amendment is already covered under one of the greatest amendments, the Ninth Amendment, which states, Wrong, I say!
So, the purpose there is that, Just because we enshrine some rights doesn't mean other rights are not, you know, non-existent or whatever.
The problem is we do need to write down the things that we want to be upheld because there are many states that ban chicken ownership.
And it was funny because I was talking with Thomas Massey.
I don't know if you mentioned this on the show.
I think it was before the show, perhaps.
We were talking about...
An amendment for the right to grow your own food and be secure in your ability to eat and grow healthy food and things like this.
Because he has an Amish raw milk supplier, I guess he was talking about.
And my joke was that the chicken amendment, we wrote it up to be silly and to be in the style of how they would have written it a long time ago in reflecting the second amendment, which is the joke, but that it would be interpreted to mean more than chickens.
That is...
Individuals should have the right to grow their own food and consume as they see fit without government interference.
That would need to be codified because that is infringed upon every single day in this country.
angela mcardle
Absolutely.
Yeah, I'm a big raw milk fan.
I don't have chickens yet.
shane cashman
How are you using raw milk these days?
matt walsh
I'm still against it.
tim pool
Actually, I'm with Matt on this one.
matt walsh
I like my milk without bacteria.
shane cashman
It's good bacteria, man.
angela mcardle
We like it.
My toddler and I both...
Chug raw milk.
Very nourishing.
shane cashman
All three of my kids and us, we've been doing it for 10 years.
matt walsh
If I'm getting milk, I always say, hold the E. coli.
shane cashman
You've got to embrace the E. coli.
angela mcardle
There's different types of E. coli.
tim pool
Matt, do you believe that it should be illegal to buy raw milk?
matt walsh
Illegal, and anyone who has it should be shot on the spot.
Oh, no!
No, I don't think it should be illegal.
If you want to consume cow feces...
I think you should have the right to do so.
shane cashman
Have you tried it?
matt walsh
I did.
angela mcardle
It's really good.
I mean, what about sushi?
matt walsh
I was on Alex Clark's podcast and she gave me raw milk.
tim pool
And made you watch anime?
matt walsh
We don't do that.
angela mcardle
We don't do that.
We got standards.
matt walsh
I drank it.
I could feel my throat closing up.
It was a near-death experience.
ian crossland
Might have been killing a lot of the bad stuff on you.
I don't know.
tim pool
We have a lot of farms out by us.
And they have to sell it as pet milk, which literally says not for human consumption.
And everybody knows exactly what it is.
But I'm actually with Matt.
I'm not a big raw milk person.
I don't like the generic store-bought plastic stuff.
I like getting good organic milk, but pasteurized.
matt walsh
The truth is, I don't drink milk at all, because I'm not eight.
So someone said something to me.
tim pool
But what if you're eating peanut butter?
angela mcardle
I'm breastfeeding.
matt walsh
So I think the more interesting contrarian view on milk is what someone told me that, well, really, humans shouldn't be drinking cow's milk at all.
angela mcardle
God gave us dominion over this earth.
That includes...
matt walsh
Cow milk.
This is not my argument.
I'm just testing the water.
No other mammal drinks milk past childhood, and no other mammal drinks the milk of another species.
angela mcardle
They also don't have philosophy departments.
tim pool
That's not true.
Animals will drink other animals' milk.
They just don't harvest it and then bring it to their families.
angela mcardle
Because they're not smart enough.
matt walsh
Well, that's what this guy said, I thought.
It was an interesting contrarian.
angela mcardle
That's a vegan argument is what that is.
That is a hardcore vegan.
tim pool
All you gotta do is scroll Instagram long enough.
matt walsh
I'm accidentally a vegan.
tim pool
All you gotta do is scroll Instagram long enough and you will find one of these stories where it's like a mama cat adopted an orphaned mammal of some sort and things like this.
matt walsh
Yeah, but the adult animal of that species doesn't drink milk.
angela mcardle
Oh, that's true.
That is totally true.
ian crossland
They evolved to drinking their blood and eating their meat.
tim pool
But to be fair, humans eat a lot of things.
That animals would never go near.
angela mcardle
Like cheesecake?
tim pool
Well, I mean, we've invented weird, disgusting chemical additives to foods.
angela mcardle
Red guy, number four?
phil labonte
Put cheesecake in front of your dog and tell me your dog doesn't eat cheesecake.
ian crossland
Is the idea about raw milk that it's more prone to getting overly bacterified?
angela mcardle
The deal with raw milk is...
You don't want raw milk from some gross city factory farm.
You want it only from a place that's clean, which is how people used to consume milk.
Pasteurization happened once factory farming happened.
And I'm not trashing factory farming.
I'm just saying when you cram a bunch of animals together like that, you have to be extra clean because things get kind of nasty.
matt walsh
But I would argue that there's no such thing as a clean farm.
There's animal shit all over the place.
angela mcardle
Well, there's different definitions of clean.
ian crossland
I support stem cell meat growth because you're bypassing all the feces going through that cow.
You don't have to eat the garbage crap.
angela mcardle
I'll pass on that, but I love that for you.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab this one from Hitman.
Zarelli says, Lena Del Rey is honestly in my top five artists.
Dean Martin, Molchet Doma, Big Al Downing, Lena Del Rey, Selena.
Listen to Brooklyn Girl, West Coast, Salvatore, Diet Dew Mountain.
Diet Dew?
Mountain Phil?
Is that what it is?
We'll know what I'm talking about.
Oh, Phil will know what I'm talking about.
Diet Dew Mountain.
Okay.
There's no commas, so I was trying to figure out what you're saying.
ian crossland
Diet Dew Mountain.
Are you familiar with that?
phil labonte
No, not at all.
shane cashman
Lana Del Rey's cover of Country Roads is incredible.
phil labonte
Lana Del Rey is incredible.
shane cashman
It's really good.
tim pool
I think she's good.
I'm not a fan, but just because I don't like her music doesn't mean I think it's bad.
ian crossland
I thought I heard video games.
I thought it was long, slow, and boring, but I mean, it was kind of good.
tim pool
I'm offended by video games because it's a really good melodic song with the worst lyrics imaginable.
You know the song?
phil labonte
I don't know the song, no.
tim pool
Okay, so it's like this really great melody that's very heartfelt, and the lyrics are like, it's you, it's you, it's all for you.
But she's actually singing about just putting on a skimpy outfit while her boyfriend drinks and plays video games, and she goes down on him.
And I'm like, you know, if she actually wrote, like, my husband came back from war, and I was longing for him, and I was scared and terrified, I've done all of this for you.
I'd be like, wow, that's such an amazing song.
matt walsh
Who is this, Lana Del Rey we're talking about?
tim pool
Yeah.
matt walsh
She married the alligator guy.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Good for her.
ian crossland
I don't know who that is.
Who's the alligator guy?
matt walsh
She married just some normal dude.
A swamp tour guy.
shane cashman
An airboat.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, he's a normal dude.
That sounds like the coolest job ever.
angela mcardle
Driving around.
matt walsh
Normal dude as in not a Hollywood guy.
Not a Hollywood weirdo.
angela mcardle
Is it Florida or Louisiana?
It's very Florida man vibes.
shane cashman
I don't know where he's from.
tim pool
I mean, riding around on, what are those things called?
shane cashman
Airboats.
tim pool
Airboats?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Chasing alligators?
ian crossland
Is that what has big fans on the back?
tim pool
Honestly, that was my second choice after podcaster.
shane cashman
It's the American dream.
ian crossland
You could podcast from the boat.
tim pool
I actually stay up at night staring at the ceiling thinking about what could have been.
Alright, let's...
Donna Linnae says, The left sees criminals as victims of society.
Had they not been treated unfairly by society, they wouldn't be committing crimes.
I know that's how we logically view it.
But I largely think they are just NPCs that simply hate you.
We often try to apply logic to their actions to understand it, but sometimes there is no logic to be applied.
They are simply contrarians who say right-wing bad, and whatever you are for, they're against.
ian crossland
There are, like, instances where someone's forced into committing a crime to survive.
I mean, that does happen, but I don't think that's generally the problem.
angela mcardle
What's the minority?
ian crossland
The community gets racist, and they're like, don't sell him any products, and he's like, can't get food anywhere.
phil labonte
Do you believe that happens?
ian crossland
I'm sure in the world that kind of thing can happen.
matt walsh
In world history, you have crimes of survival.
phil labonte
In the United States, do you believe that happens?
tim pool
I disagree.
I understand the point you're making.
But it is still a choice.
You're not being forced into it.
ian crossland
But even evil laws...
matt walsh
So, if I actually had...
If I was starving and my children were starving and someone had food and I went up and asked them for the food and they wouldn't give me any, I would then steal it from them.
I would rob them and take the food.
angela mcardle
Like a good dad.
unidentified
Right.
matt walsh
So that my child will survive.
I care more about my kids surviving than I do about the law.
But that scenario is not happening.
In modern America.
tim pool
But my point is just that I understand you feel forced to do so because you have a great calling to protect your children, but it's still a choice.
matt walsh
Yeah, it is a choice, yeah.
tim pool
Because you could literally say, we're going to go in the woods and rough it and forage and hunt and figure it out.
The idea that there was...
It's crazy to me that humans throughout all of history figured it out, but now with civilization, with this scenario where it's like, I had no choice but to rob the marketplace.
angela mcardle
Well, we forgot how to figure it out.
That's a lost art right there.
unidentified
Perhaps.
angela mcardle
I mean, I think, though, like when it comes to criminals, I think that we do tend to have more compassion for people who are younger.
We feel that their minds are not fully developed.
They were in bad situations with their parents.
We have more compassion for younger people.
We don't have a lot of compassion for eight-time felons who are out murdering people to the point that it becomes like a sick meme.
So, you know, that's a big, I think, distinction between people who are diehard progressives and everyone else.
tim pool
All right.
Ted Thornton says, Americans, until Gen Z and Alpha, have had Judeo-Christian morals as a foundation.
America is a Christian nation.
The overwhelming, even among liberals, secular liberals, in the 90s and millennials today, they don't know it, but they have Judeo-Christian moral foundations.
Bill Maher, who is the host of Religious, has Christian moral foundations.
And I think...
I don't know to what extent he's actually researched his values and where they come from, but they come from the Christian moral tradition.
The easiest way to understand it is go to any Eastern Hemisphere country and ask them why they don't have the Fifth Amendment, why they don't have speedy trials, why they don't have a right to confront their accusers.
ian crossland
Charity.
501c3s.
Charity is a Catholic virtue.
It's the opposite of greed.
It's codified into law that it's not taxable.
tim pool
And do you know why we have 501c3s?
They are tax-coded versions of the church.
Churches are tax-exempt.
We are allowed to see what they do with their funds, and they can't engage in politics.
And when these liberals say, wow, these churches shouldn't be allowed to do this, that, or otherwise, I'm like, okay, if you want to ban that, if you want to say churches shouldn't be tax-exempt, because that was a big argument liberals were putting forth for a while, I'll say, totally correct, and we'll get rid of 501c3s at the same time.
ian crossland
I could see the charitable aspects of churches being tax-free, but other aspects of the churches being taxed.
Like what?
Tithing?
I don't know.
Do they take money from...
Well, you should be able to donate through their 501c3 then or something.
phil labonte
So it's tithing?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Tithing is...
I think it's different.
angela mcardle
What's the part that should be taxed?
unidentified
What's the action they take that should be taxed?
ian crossland
You know, that's a good question because I don't know all of the ways that churches make money.
Does Joel Osteen get ad revenue when he...
angela mcardle
Well, not everyone's Joel Osteen.
ian crossland
But does he get ad revenue when he does his TV show?
tim pool
Because that should be taxed.
angela mcardle
Interesting.
tim pool
Sponsorships?
phil labonte
I disagree.
He's a bad example.
Churches like Joel Osteen's church, those are like a handful of churches, and there are millions of churches in the country.
angela mcardle
I grew up with my dad as a pastor, and we had lower middle income.
It was a small church.
matt walsh
The vast majority of churches are not rolling in cash.
Although I'm...
We would agree on this, I think.
I would just say get rid of all income taxes.
ian crossland
I heard Trump is tending that.
I don't know if it was fake news.
Did you see that?
matt walsh
I don't think that's going to happen.
But that would be...
He would automatically go down as the greatest president of America.
That's a beautiful idea.
tim pool
Well, my friends, it's been amazing.
But as I mentioned, we have a hard stop.
We are going to be heading back to our home studio.
It's our last day in D.C. So thank you all so much for being members.
Smash the like button.
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And I mean that literally.
It's not just a motto.
Word of mouth really does help out.
And that's how we've actually been so successful.
So thank you all so much.
And become members at TimCast.com.
We've got the Uncensored pre-show with Angela McConnell talking about how she met Trump and the pardoning of Ross Ulbricht and what Trump represents.
And we talk a bit about libertarians.
It's a good fun.
And, of course, you get access to our Discord server where there's tens of thousands of people that are asking why you don't want to be their friends.
So you need to go sign up and hang out with everybody and have a good time.
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Matt, do you want to shout anything out?
matt walsh
Well, we've got my two movies that are on DailyWire.com.
Am I Racist is the latest one and doing really well on the platform, so go to DailyWire.com and become a member.
tim pool
Masterpiece.
10 out of 10. It is a resurgence of comedy films that we have not seen in decades because they've all become trash.
ian crossland
Was it a wig?
Was it with the top knot?
matt walsh
I was awake.
ian crossland
So good.
tim pool
There's a Matt Walsh fight scene.
I recommend it.
It was really good.
matt walsh
It's a real action choreography.
tim pool
I was in a packed theater and everybody couldn't stop laughing.
Really good stuff.
ian crossland
That's some balls, brother.
That's awesome, man.
That's like full Borat.
Anyway, I'm fanboying a little.
angela mcardle
If you are interested in the Libertarian Party, if you're interested in preserving the work that I've done, if you're passionate about Ross Ulbricht's liberation from prison, if you are big on Bitcoin, if you hate the Federal Reserve, if you like the work I've done and you want me to be able to keep doing it and making the Libertarian Party based, please donate.
Please show your appreciation for the work I've done to get Ross freed by donating at lp.org.
We need the support right now.
We need your help to keep going.
I will also have a tell-all book coming out soon, and you can follow me on Twitter at Angela4LNCChair.
shane cashman
Sweet.
You can follow me online at Shane Cashman, and I host Inverted World Live every Sunday.
We are anxiously awaiting the JFK paper release and the drone release.
I like all those things.
We'll be going over them on the show as soon as they come out.
Ian?
ian crossland
Yeah, Matt.
Also, Matt Walsh blog on Twitter.
If you want to follow Matt on Twitter, follow him there.
Thank you.
Yeah, oh yeah, baby.
I'm at Ian Crossland and follow me as well.
It's great to be here.
Thank you for having me down here, Tim.
Phil, good to see you.
Everybody, follow everybody here.
phil labonte
Just so everyone knows, Angela is the most effective LP chair possibly in history.
She's done more for the party and more for America than any other LP chair ever at all.
tim pool
And I want to stress this.
Thank you.
Played a big role in getting Trump elected.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
That commitment to pardon Ross Ulbricht may have generated a decent, solid percentage point more or more of votes for Trump.
angela mcardle
Got the Bitcoin community off the couch, too.
It was not a debate between Trump and Harris.
It was a debate between Trump and not voting, and that energized that base.
tim pool
So, Phil, just...
phil labonte
I am PhilTheRemains on Twix.
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New record drops January 31st.
It's called Anti-Fragile.
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They're available on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, and Deezer.
Go to Spotify right now and pre-save, and don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
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