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tim pool
Republicans today introduced a bill coming from Nancy Mace to deport illegal immigrants accused of, let's just keep it light for the first 30 seconds, shall we?
Crimes of a particular nature that we find to be heinous, if you know what I mean.
145 Democrats voted against it for some reason, and it's not the first time they tried doing this, but we have questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're a couple days away from President Donald J. Trump.
And it seems like the Democratic Party's not learning a thing, so I guess I'm feeling good.
I mean, it feels really bad to see that they are insane.
You'd kind of wish they would moderate and figure out why Trump won in the first place, but I guess it's a good sign, considering we have a midterm to worry about in a couple of years, and we don't want Republicans to lose that one.
So we got this news, and then, it's a weird story, but of course it's making the rounds.
Elon Musk versus Asmongold.
I know many of you are probably like, what?
No, no, no.
That's a meme.
But Elon Musk was accused of censoring a prominent video game streamer who accused him of cheating.
I don't know if that's true, but the story is pretty wild.
And the only reason it's actually news is because recently Elon Musk was accused of censoring people over H-1B. So there is this narrative emerging that the corporate press has picked up and everyone's asking questions about.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, FBI shutting down their DEI office.
Pretty crazy.
And then, I don't know, it's a slow news day, so we'll talk about aliens, I guess.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Ned Ryan.
ned ryun
Great to be with you.
Yeah, no, I'm excited.
It's been a couple years.
tim pool
A couple years.
ned ryun
And even though it seems like a slow news cycle, we will make sure that it's an exciting episode as we discuss many things.
tim pool
Indeed.
We have some funny clips.
We do.
ned ryun
Funny clips.
And also, I'd love to talk some of these nomination confirmation hearings.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
ned ryun
I mean, as you said, Democrats appear to be lost, but their A-game, if they're bringing their A-game, it is a pretty sad A-game.
And I think it is their A-game.
And it's pretty pathetic.
tim pool
So, what do you do?
What do you do, for those who don't know you?
ned ryun
So, founder and CEO of American Majority.
We identify and train people to run for state and local office, so anything from school board to state senate, anything between city council, county commission.
Also run a software, database software program, VotoGravity.
Cool.
American Majority Action.
We did a significant absentee ballot generation and chase.
Projects last year in Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, North Carolina.
Significant.
And I do some writing.
New book out, American Leviathan.
Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism.
And just really the history of where this administrative state started, and I think one of the biggest fights that's going to take place over the next four years, is what Donald Trump does with this deeply unconstitutional, un-American, authoritarian, administrative state.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Libby is here.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm...
You guys were making fun of me because my kid makes fun of me for my intro, so...
tim pool
You should have said it a different way now.
libby emmons
Yeah, like, I'm Libby Emmons from the Post Millennial, and I'm glad to be here, guys.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's go.
tim pool
Here's a story from the Post Millennial.
Breaking 145 Democrats vote against Bill.
To deport illegal immigrants convicted of sex crimes.
A bipartisan group of lawmakers voted for the bill with the legislation passing with 274 votes.
No, no, no.
This must be a mistake.
You know how they do these bills where it'll be called, like, the Save the Puppies bill?
And then it actually just bans ice cream?
And you're like, what?
This bill must be about something else, right?
Certainly Democrats wouldn't vote.
To protect illegal immigrants who are convicted of sex crimes?
No.
phil labonte
Maybe they might.
tim pool
Maybe they might.
ned ryun
They clearly don't think you should deport illegal pedophiles.
This is the insanity of what's taking place.
I mean, did you see Gavin Newsom recently and the Democrats in California have decided to put together this $50 million slush fund in which $25 million of it is going to be spent specifically to fight any deportation efforts?
libby emmons
Yeah, it's to protect illegal immigrants.
ned ryun
Right.
They have definitely decided...
libby emmons
Being kicked out by Tom Homan.
ned ryun
Yeah, they have definitely decided we are going to side with the $10 million plus illegals of which...
Not only do we have illegal immigrants convicted of sex crimes, illegal pedophiles, I think there's 660,000 illegal immigrants that have criminal records that have come in in the last four years.
And Democrats are siding with them over the American people.
You have to question.
I think that's exactly right.
libby emmons
You had Tom Homan very clearly saying that the way he was going to begin conducting deportations was to go to the jails and say, OK, if you have somebody who's been arrested for crimes, those are the people we're going to deport.
But the Democrats really have said repeatedly that they're not in favor of any deportations.
You even had Mayorkas saying that very clearly throughout all four years.
ned ryun
But why?
libby emmons
Because they say...
tim pool
They're demons.
ned ryun
Well, they hate America.
libby emmons
They're demons.
They hate America.
No, no, no.
They really do.
They also have these logical reasons, which they say is that it would be too expensive to round people up and deport them.
They're opposed to this whole family separation thing, which, as we know, Tom Homan had quite the answer for, which was...
ned ryun
Keep them all together.
libby emmons
Just deport them all.
ned ryun
No, if you think about...
Well, first of all, it's because they hate America.
They hate our way of life.
If you think about it, what they are doing in destroying our border and our southern border and immigration system, if you can even call it an immigration system because it's such a mess, they don't want to have border security.
They don't want to have sovereignty.
They want to attack the very idea of what it means to be a citizen because they hate the American way of life.
I mean, we're very unique people with a very unique constitution.
We have very unique traditions.
And the American, un-American left, deeply hates and despises.
phil labonte
I really think that that point can't be...
Driven home hard enough, and I think that more people need to articulate that.
The left just ideologically does not like America.
They don't like representative government.
They want direct democracy.
They don't like the limitations on the government that the Constitution places.
They want a government that can do whatever they want because they believe that the government can, if you just give the government power, the government can do whatever.
They believe that the government could make the moon into green cheese if you just give them the power.
libby emmons
They don't think that the government can conduct deportations.
phil labonte
No, no, they do, but they won't admit that.
libby emmons
Well, you had Mayorkas.
He said, what exactly does it mean to remove an individual?
What resources?
What process?
What will the funding be?
What if they claim that they're afraid under current laws?
What process will they be given?
What judge grants their claim?
All of this stuff.
phil labonte
It's all about...
None of it is real.
That is all just about power.
They don't want the conservatives to do that, so they will come up with whatever excuse they possibly can.
It has nothing to do with what they actually believe because they...
They don't actually believe any of that.
ned ryun
And it can be done.
If there's a will, there's a way.
unidentified
Of course.
ned ryun
And I think that Donald Trump is going to unleash Tom Homan and Stephen Miller to actually go after and begin doing this.
And the initial starting point is, are the illegals with criminal records?
That's the starting point.
And then he just keeps on going and doesn't stop until he's got at least the 10 or 12 million, whatever it is, that came in under Biden.
Because not only are they doing this because they hate our way of life, our Constitution, our traditions, all of these things, they were doing it to import new voters.
Let's be honest.
We're trying to bring in a completely new voter base.
And any Republican, and we all know that not all Republicans are created equally.
They come in all shapes, form sizes, Chamber of Commerce types, all the way to America First types.
Every last Republican, for the sake of self-preservation, should absolutely endorse the idea of deporting every last illegal that has come in over the last four years.
If they want to actually have a two-party system instead of being a single-party state.
Because that's exactly what Democrats are trying to do.
phil labonte
And the American people want that.
There have been multiple polls.
ned ryun
That's one of the main issues.
phil labonte
70% of the American people are comfortable with deportations.
Not just, okay, we're going to round up the criminals.
Go to jails and go to prisons and get the criminals that are not.
American citizens.
But they're comfortable with getting everyone that's not an American citizen and getting them out of the country.
And I think that that is perfectly reasonable for a population to have that position.
There is nothing extreme about a population that says, the people that are here must be citizens, and if you came into the country illegally, then we are empowered, or the government should be empowered, to physically remove you.
ned ryun
Well, as I think it was Obama so famously said, elections have consequences.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
ned ryun
Donald Trump won.
Donald Trump was not shy about what he intended to do in regards to illegal immigration and deportation.
And guess what?
First Republican to win the popular vote in 20 years.
First Republican to win 311 electoral votes since 1988, I believe.
And obviously the first non-successive president since Grover Cleveland.
This was a historical...
Election in which it was very bright, clear lines about what each one of the candidates was offering.
phil labonte
People saw what it was.
People remember what it was like.
ned ryun
They chose him definitively.
phil labonte
Exactly.
They remember what it was like when Donald Trump was president from 2017 to 2020. They remember what it was like from when Joe Biden got into office until today.
And they specifically made the decision, we don't like what the Democrats have been doing.
ned ryun
Can I say one thing?
This is the thing that has troubled me greatly about Republicans.
I've been in D.C. for about 25 years now.
Republicans don't know what to do with political power.
Most of them.
The American people give them political power for a reason.
Donald Trump is different from every other Republican because he understands I have been given political power.
I was voted in on very clear issues.
I fully intend to use the political power.
And I think he's going to have people around him in departments and agencies, once they're confirmed, that we'll have the exact same approach.
We were elected for a reason to actually affect change and use political power as it should be used.
phil labonte
I agree with you.
I think that's the proper diagnosis.
I think that it's the proper course of action by Donald Trump.
But just for context, I want to point out that the small government people are the Republicans.
Unless you're like...
Well, I mean, even if you're a small government person, you don't...
libby emmons
Even like the new people are MAGA. Well, yeah.
phil labonte
And historically, Republicans have been afraid to use, not unwilling to use government power because the argument has been, if we do it, then the left will do it.
Well, guess what?
The left is going to do it either way.
So you have to.
I used to be very, very libertarian-minded, and there's still some parts of my political opinions that are libertarian, but I've moved significantly away from libertarianism because of the fact that if you...
Just because one side says we don't want to use this power, there is no Mordor to throw the ring into.
There's nowhere to get rid of the power.
tim pool
This is why I've been saying for the past couple of weeks, the slippery slope goes in every single direction.
If you do not use the power, they will use it in horrifying ways.
When you use the power, they're going to tell you, but the slippery slope, what if they start...
No, no, no, no.
We have to ban bad things that we don't like, like illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes gotta go.
ned ryun
Right.
One of my great frustrations...
The left views politics, the religious zealots, right?
It's their religion in many ways.
They are religious zealots.
We're going to take that political power and by God, we are going to fundamentally change this country.
Our problem has been, for too long until Donald Trump showed up, too many careerists in Republican circles were like, oh, we're going to go to D.C., we're going to have a really cool career, we'll trim around the edges, we're not going to really use power to fundamentally change anything, and then once we've had a cool career, we'll move on.
It's about time we had our own religious zealots or our own people that actually knew what to do with political power to fundamentally change and restore the republic.
tim pool
The right has religious devotees.
And I would say historically, if you go back a long enough period of time, people were very fervent about maintaining those values.
But the reason we are where we are today is because Christians turned to the other cheek over and over and over again.
libby emmons
I think that's right.
unidentified
Not this Christian.
tim pool
Not you.
No.
ned ryun
There's a big streakable testament in me.
tim pool
It was tolerance.
This is why I say it.
Once again, the slippery slope goes in every direction.
Christians very much said, we're going to leave people to do their thing and mind their business, and if they choose, they can find faith.
If not, whatever.
You end up with these books in schools, illegal immigrants who are convicted of sex crimes being protected by Democrats because you give them an inch, you'll take a mile.
ned ryun
And that's not justice.
libby emmons
It's not.
Yeah.
No, I mean, but it's not just the illegal immigrants who are being protected.
You have, you know, groomy teachers who are being protected.
You have, you know, sex offenders all over the place being protected.
But one thing that you said, Ned, that I think is really interesting is you said that, you know, to the left, politics is religion.
And to them, voting Democrat is like taking the Eucharist.
You know what I mean?
Like, it is a moral thing.
And they can't understand a world in which they have to go against that morality.
And I think one thing that we're seeing now with these L.A. fires is I think a lot of...
Maybe this wasn't the way to go.
ned ryun
They're religious people.
They have their own set of religious beliefs.
libby emmons
They're religious about their politics.
ned ryun
No, but I'm sorry.
Every human being in this world has a set of presuppositions and biases by which they view the world around them.
They have a set of creeds and beliefs by which they then judge something to be right or wrong.
libby emmons
Everyone worships, sure.
ned ryun
Right.
So the left has that.
And this is what really frustrates me in the whole world.
We believe in science.
Well, no, you don't really, because you don't even believe in basic biology.
But they have a certain faith system.
And their faith is built in the state.
They think the state is salvation.
It's something that you mentioned earlier, where, I mean, from the early beginning of the progressive movement, they...
Felt that all power, the state should subsume everything, individuals, corporations, because the state was salvation and would bring salvation to the rest of society.
libby emmons
That was even the advertising that they had for Obamacare.
The advertising for Obamacare was one lady partnered with the government for her whole life.
ned ryun
That's been their plan for the last hundred plus years.
And here we are.
And people, I think, have been a little confused since Donald Trump showed up.
What is going on in D.C.? Like, how did we end up where the duly elected president was essentially targeted by his DOJ, FBI, intel community to take out the duly elected president of the United States?
It was a clash of very different worldviews and governing philosophies, constitutional republic versus administrative state.
But people were wondering, why do these unelected bureaucrats think they should decide?
Well, that was the point from day one.
And it was Donald Trump showing up and saying, I reject the premise that this is legitimate, that has led to all this conflict.
If you were to look back over the last eight or nine years, all of the conflict, Russian collusion hoax, Ukrainian quid pro quo hoax, everything, political lawfare, it comes down to one thing.
Who decides?
And Donald Trump showed up and said, I'm the duly elected president of the United States.
I'm the one who decides.
And the unelected bureaucrats, the administrative state said, no, we don't think so.
We think we decide.
And actually, technically, they were right because of everything that's been going on the last hundred years.
tim pool
Let's jump into the story from the Daily Wire.
It just gets worse.
Connecticut Parole Board pardons illegal migrant pedophile who said he might re-offend.
Indeed.
Take a look at this.
A convicted pedophile and illegal migrant was released from a Connecticut prison last month after a sympathetic parole board mulled how to best help him avoid deportation.
The Trump administration, the parole board decided, would not be able to get its act together fast enough to deport the illegal immigrant pedophile before his 30-day immigration detainer runs out.
They can't elect a Speaker of the House, one board member scoffed.
Gurino Maglore, or pronounce it, 52, was serving five years in prison for felony second-degree sexual assault against a child between 13 and 15 years old.
He was convicted of sexually assaulting the child on March 11, 2020, just as pandemic lockdowns were starting.
During his parole hearing...
He said he cannot promise he will not offend again.
Scored as a moderate to high risk on an evaluation used to predict whether a male sexual offender will re-offend.
Despite those red flags, the parole board released him that day from Carl Robinson Correctional Institution north of Hartford.
And once again, it's because they wanted to help him avoid getting deported.
That's insane to me.
This guy should just get, you know, we bring him to a plane, we put him on a plane and say, we're going to send you back to where you came from.
libby emmons
And you know what, the other thing too is like, he's probably shocked that he's not getting deported.
Because obviously he should get deported.
And he's probably like, these...
Not cursing.
These fools, you know, are just letting me back on the street so I can molest more children.
How exciting for me.
What idiots.
What morons.
ned ryun
Not only is it idiotic, asinine, it's deeply immoral.
libby emmons
Yes.
ned ryun
I mean, this is the one thing going back to what we were talking about earlier.
Nationalism is the moral imperative of every leader inside of a nation.
And by that I mean prioritizing the nation's interests and the people of that nation's interests.
In what world?
Does that prioritize the interests of our nation's people?
It does not.
And I think the immorality that we have seen on display, not only from Democrats and this kind of absurd, crazy, insane behavior, it's Republicans as well who have not prioritized the American people.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I look at it largely as you go back a few generations, and the further you go back, the more Christian this nation was.
The previous generations were turning the other cheek, tolerating behavior like this.
And this is my point about the slippery slope.
It exists.
It exists no matter what you do.
So right now, with the Supreme Court makeup that we have, and the policies that are advancing, it seems to me like Obergefell will get overturned.
Would you agree on that one?
ned ryun
I think so.
I think there's some cases that I hope the Trump administration begins pushing immediately.
tim pool
But they don't even need to.
A liberal group will file a lawsuit on behalf of someone.
It'll get challenged to a federal court, the Supreme Court.
It will have to do with the president of Obergefell, and the Supreme Court will say, we hereby overturn Obergefell.
Gay marriage is no longer recognized in states unless they pass it in their legislators.
ned ryun
I wouldn't mind some of these cases being accelerated by the Trump administration actually generating some of these challenges ASAP. I think I would like to see Bostock overturned before Obergefell.
You know what I want to see happen?
libby emmons
All of it?
ned ryun
No, day one.
I'm serious.
I think this is going to be one of the most important things that takes place in the four years we have Trump, and hopefully we have power for 12 years, but we'll settle for four for right now.
Trump needs to fire hundreds of thousands of federal employees.
And begin the process by which he goes through the courts.
He'll do that.
The federal employee unions, which is insane.
unidentified
There shouldn't even be unions for government.
ned ryun
FDR agreed with us, by the way.
libby emmons
That's absolutely insane.
ned ryun
They'll sue.
They'll be a stay.
18 months, 2 years, gets to the Supreme Court.
This is the Supreme Court, and the fundamental question is this.
Does the head of the Article II executive branch, the duly elected president of the United States, get to hire and fire whoever he wants to inside the Article II branch where most of the administrative state resides?
And I think the Supreme Court will say, yes, we agree with you.
And then Donald Trump can become the demolition man for the administrative state.
But he's got to move on it quick, because I think 18 months to two years might be a short route.
It might be longer.
libby emmons
That's what Nancy Mace was saying.
phil labonte
What's your opinion on getting the bureaucracies?
I love it.
ned ryun
I want to send agriculture to North Dakota.
libby emmons
You mean like how Facebook moved content moderation to Texas?
ned ryun
We know that when corporations move their headquarters simply by moving them about 20% of the workforce, it's downsized simply by moving the headquarters.
So yeah, move agriculture to North Dakota, move another department to Kansas.
And break apart the Leviathan that's residing in D.C. right now.
And by doing that, I think you reduce it by 20% right out of the gate.
phil labonte
Astounding.
ned ryun
And I think Trump might actually go for that approach.
I think there is kind of all of the above approach in regards to we have to deal with this bureaucracy.
I think it is the thing.
I think a lot of the issues that we're facing today in D.C., but the country writ large.
Have to deal with this massive bureaucracy that thinks it's going to dictate to the American people.
This is how you're going to live your life.
libby emmons
Well, yeah, and they've been doing that for a while.
And they haven't just been doing it in the U.S., but under the Biden administration and Obama, they were doing that globally.
They were tying all kinds of funds to like, okay, now you have, now Hungary, you have a whole LGBTQ thing.
And when the people in those nations push back, the administrations get angry and start working with the subversive groups in that country to push their agenda forward.
I remember I was at a UN... Isn't it interesting how America, the position that we have in the world right now, we can either be a great force for good...
Or evil.
ned ryun
Or we can be a force for evil.
libby emmons
And we've been evil just too much.
ned ryun
We have.
And we've gone in and we have started to deconstruct the moral and cultural fabric of these various countries because of the woke mind virus that has taken over in these bureaucracies in which they decide we're going to dictate not only to this country but to others around the world with obviously strings attached to funding and to grants that you're going to actually implement these woke agendas.
Because we say so.
libby emmons
I think a lot of it has to do with the complete demolition of religion.
ned ryun
Yes.
libby emmons
You know, because if you look at the way that religion was practiced, the way that Orthodox...
This is something I was just reading about.
ned ryun
Orthodox Christianity.
libby emmons
The way that, like, Orthodox religion is practiced, you know, Orthodox religion, Orthodox Judaism, you make...
Everything in your life has to do with how you practice your faith, and so everything...
Every basic thing is imbued with meaning, and so you go out into the world with confidence that you are practicing a life that is full of meaning and hope and faith just because of those small gestures.
And when we take that away, we're all just out here struggling, trying to find meaning in something or other, and nobody can find it anywhere, and so they do this nonsense.
ned ryun
I think it was Sartre, a French philosopher, who said a finite point without an infinite point of reference is pointless and absurd.
And when you cut the cord to the transcendent, you do eventually devolve into this theater of the absurd in which you just make up things as you go.
There aren't any absolutes.
I think at some point, it was Francis Schaeffer, who I love, who once said, if there are no absolutes, society becomes absolute.
And whatever society says at that moment is what is.
libby emmons
Well, and his play, Sartre's play, No Exit, exemplified that.
ned ryun
So I think we do have to come.
I mean, this country was founded.
On a common set of ideals and principles and values.
And it would be nice if we got back to that where we get a basic agreement on fundamental issues in which we say these are right, these are wrong.
This is what the country was founded on.
phil labonte
If the government exists to facilitate a happy, successful, and fulfilled population, why doesn't it focus on normal families?
I have my own intuition as to why, but like...
The idea of centering the marginalized, marginalized lifestyles, you should be focusing on normal families, especially when everyone knows that the birth rate in the U.S. is on the decline and has been.
ned ryun
Demographic winter.
phil labonte
We should be doing everything that we can to encourage the population to have more kids, and we should have policies that...
ned ryun
And lefties' minds are going to melt when I say this, but we should look at Hungary's approach to what they're doing with policy.
Again, this goes back to when you have political power, why don't you use it to actually implement things that are beneficial to society and actually cause fundamental change?
I think Hungary spends about 5% of its GDP on actually promoting policies that strengthen the family, encourage growth of the family, and you're seeing it play out in their society.
I'm like, we should do the same.
We should spend a certain percentage of our GDP towards actually strengthening and promoting the traditional family and actually strengthening families, strong fathers, mothers, strong households.
phil labonte
This isn't an argument against Social Security or against the...
We can spend some money on young people trying to encourage them to have children and raise them in a way that makes them want to have children of their own.
ned ryun
Libby, there was something you said about the idea of orthodox religion being in our lives.
One of the things that, of course, Christianity, I think Judaism, and some of the other Orthodox religions teach is the idea of self-governance.
And I remind people all of the time, we are a self-governing Republican.
People think, well, that's great.
The American people are governing themselves.
Well, self-government is based off individual self-governance.
And the idea of actually having a faith and religious influence on the idea that, yeah, at some point, someday, you're going to have to give an accounting.
To a transcendent creator, there are eternal rewards and punishments for that behavior.
The idea of self-governance then leads to better self-government in which people are governing themselves.
And the more people govern themselves internally, the less government you're going to need to actually bring order.
libby emmons
But we don't do that now.
I mean, that's like, you know, we were talking about a little bit like that before the show.
We've eradicated the notion of shame.
We've elevated our most base desires to our entitled right.
Right?
Like, that's what we believe.
ned ryun
Celebrated it.
libby emmons
Yeah, we've celebrated it.
We, you know, one thing that we've inherited from reality TV shows is this idea that if you don't like someone, you should be a total horror to them all the time.
You should just be mean to them to their face.
And that's ridiculous, too.
You know, there's this idea that you're supposed to show up at Thanksgiving and be nasty to your family because you disagree with them about federal politics.
I mean, come on.
Like, is there anything more stupid than arguing with your family over federal politics?
tim pool
I feel blessed.
libby emmons
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
Because I've got liberal family members and they aren't insane and it doesn't come up.
We just eat turkey.
libby emmons
I think that's good.
tim pool
You know what it is, though?
I do think it's the older generation, the grandparents, who are just like, stop, shut up, we're not doing this.
And I have concerns for when they pass on.
What's going to end up happening?
Because I do think a lot of the political bifurcation in this country, it's massive in the younger generations.
It's moderate in the millennial, middle-aged generations, Gen Xers.
And then it is almost not existent in the oldest generations.
So if you look back at when boomers were in their 30s or whatever, which is like, what, the 90s, the differences between the Democrat and Republican Party were slim.
You look today, it's massive.
And despite the fact that the parties are...
Still largely run by the same people.
You do have younger people coming in, and the younger people tend to be the firebrands.
Yep.
Totally on opposite ends, not getting along.
So when the older generation moves on...
I don't know what happens in this country.
I mean, maybe right now with the concern I have is Donald Trump only won because of one generation.
And you know what generation that was?
libby emmons
Gen X. That's right.
That's right.
We saved the world, baby.
tim pool
Sure did.
And so Gen X is going to have to hold on with a death grip.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
And double down for the next 10 or 20 years because boomers will be leaving us.
libby emmons
I got my keys around my neck.
unidentified
Can I say one thing?
tim pool
Gen Z and Gen Alpha, man, we need to make sure that these kids get access to good, clean information.
And as an aside, I'm looking forward to seeing TikTok go belly up.
libby emmons
I don't think it's happening.
ned ryun
It's a drive-by shooting on TikTok.
libby emmons
I don't think it is.
The Biden administration said they were going to leave it to the Trump administration to enforce the ban.
tim pool
TikTok is choosing to shut down.
ned ryun
Yeah.
libby emmons
They're shutting down anyway?
ned ryun
They're choosing to shut down.
tim pool
There's no bill forcing to shut down.
libby emmons
What do you think the Supreme Court's going to say?
I think they're going to...
tim pool
Decision day was Wednesday.
libby emmons
Yeah, but they didn't decide.
tim pool
Right, which means that nothing's going to happen until TikTok makes a decision to shut down.
libby emmons
Interesting.
tim pool
They could theoretically do a preliminary injunction, but it sounds like...
It sounds like the Supreme Court was saying, why would we...
libby emmons
Yeah, they don't think the algorithm is speech.
They don't think...
tim pool
No, no, China doesn't have free speech.
That's it, period.
libby emmons
But they didn't buy it.
The Supreme Court did not buy TikTok's argument.
tim pool
Right, but the Supreme Court, many of the members actually said, yet no, China has no constitutional protected speech.
It doesn't matter.
The algorithm is meaningless.
We don't give foreign countries free speech rights from foreign countries into the United States.
So anyway, I digress.
I was not trying to reignite the whole TikTok thing.
unidentified
No.
libby emmons
I'm happy to talk about it.
I think it's fascinating.
I listen to all those arguments.
tim pool
Well, we can, but I want to talk about this.
We got this clip from Real Clear Politics.
Ladies and gentlemen, you want to watch...
Let me say this.
Elizabeth Warren was challenging Pete Hegseth.
Why are we in the weeds on politics on this one?
And she was basically like, you think generals shouldn't serve for 10 years and you won't make that pledge today?
And Hegseth is just like, I'm not a general.
ned ryun
Oh, make money.
They can't for 10 years be lobbyists, 10-year moratorium.
tim pool
And she asked him if he would make the pledge, and he's like, I'm not a general.
And then everyone laughs at her.
ned ryun
I was in the room.
tim pool
It was hilarious.
ned ryun
Yes.
tim pool
Now, that is an example.
I give you another one.
This one is Senator Ron Wyden, who makes a ridiculous claim and instantly gets roasted in a rather hilarious way.
Speaking of China.
unidentified
The more you reduce carbon, the bigger your tax savings.
Now there is a big effort in the Trump administration to reverse it.
I think that's going to be bad for the economy, but it is going to be damn good for China because we are in an arms race on clean energy with them.
Are you going to be on the side of people who want to unravel this?
Senator Wyden, just so we can frame this for everyone in the room, China will build a hundred new coal plants this year.
There is not a clean energy race.
There is an energy race.
China will build 10 nuclear plants this year.
That is not solar.
I am in favor of more nuclear plants.
And I would note that the IRA, as scored by the CBO, is wildly out of control in terms of spending on the upside.
tim pool
It's just so great.
libby emmons
It was great.
tim pool
China is not trying to do clean anything.
ned ryun
No.
But they are trying.
The irony here is, well, first of all, I'm happy that he said nuclear.
He's all for it.
I think that is our future.
If you really want clean energy, that's what we've got to start.
Our approach has to be.
The interesting thing about this whole we're in a clean energy race.
China has no interest, clearly.
They're building 100 coal plants, all this stuff.
What they're trying to do is get everybody else to go onto the solar and the EVs, because guess what?
They're the ones that are actually producing a lot of those things.
libby emmons
That's right.
ned ryun
And then all of a sudden you become dependent on China.
tim pool
You guys see this picture?
This story was posted in 2014. This is virtual sunlight in Tiananmen Square.
Instead of seeing a sunrise, they put up a gigantic screen to show a sunrise because the smog is so bad.
China's not doing clean anything.
They don't care.
Their attitude is largely, quote, it's our turn now.
You industrialized, now we industrialize, and you can't stop us.
phil labonte
Yeah, I said this a couple times on the show.
It's like, if people in the United States are actually that concerned with the green revolution or whatever, then you don't want to focus your attention here.
You want to focus your attention on India and China, because both of those countries have 1.5 billion people, and they are not fully industrialized.
libby emmons
Well, the other thing, too, when the U.S. says we're going to pull back on our climate, we're going to pull back on our emissions and all of that stuff, it's just another way to say we are going to subsume ourselves to minorities globally, except they're not minorities.
We're the minority globally.
ned ryun
I think we need to start looking at energy policy as a national security issue.
libby emmons
I think that's a great idea.
ned ryun
No, we have to, because if you actually, of your own...
You capitulate and say, we're going to go down the EV path, we're going to do solar, all of these things.
Again, I think it's 90 plus percent China is actually producing in the world market of EV batteries and I think solar panels as well.
You are going to basically subject yourself because they will be providing your energy if we go down that path, God forbid.
And then all of a sudden...
Energy policy is national security, and there is no national security.
Like, at some point, we have to get these people who are pushing us to go down this path and say, you are pushing us down a path of being subservient to China, not the distant future, sadly, in a relatively short term, if we're not careful.
phil labonte
That's an argument that I heard Marco Rubio making today, that if we don't do something, then...
He probably wasn't making it today.
He probably made it on Monday or whatever.
But if we don't do something about our posture towards China We're gonna be depending on China for things that we desperately need like all our medications all kinds of things It penicillin I'm trying to remember what it is But like 90% of our penicillin for the army for the military is produced by China all that's anything that we Like there's just so much stuff that is actually a national security issue.
tim pool
And this is why I think Tic Tacs gotta go gotta go.
libby emmons
I don't disagree get rid of it.
tim pool
No, I mean just divest from China.
It's really simple.
Look.
There's a lot of people out there who say Trump is altruistic, and he is motivated purely by the goodness of his own heart, and I'm like, well, hold on there a minute.
Donald Trump certainly is motivated, but I think he's a good guy.
I've seen him be nice to people.
He's been nice to me.
ned ryun
He's very...
tim pool
I think he's a nice guy.
ned ryun
Genuinely warm person.
tim pool
He is, but he's a human being who wants to accomplish things and feel good about the things he accomplishes.
He's a guy who puts his name in giant gold letters on tops of buildings.
libby emmons
You've seen his signature.
unidentified
It's a beautiful, beautiful signature.
tim pool
So TikTok realizes censorship is coming their way.
Conservatives are upset about it.
So what do they do?
They put a flip on it, help Trump out a little bit, make Trump happy, and now Trump's backed off banning TikTok.
I don't care who they're helping.
I do not like the idea of China having influence over our younger generation.
libby emmons
I agree.
I don't like it.
tim pool
The only reason Trump won is because of Gen X, not because of Gen Z. And now Trump's going, You know, I think maybe he invites the CEO of TikTok to his inauguration, says maybe we should hold off on banning it.
And I'm like, here we go.
Trump's going to get out of office.
TikTok's going to go tenfold in the other direction.
And we are all going to be worse off because of it.
ned ryun
I'm hoping.
I think fundamentally at its very core, Donald Trump is an old school.
I love America.
I love everything that has made this country great.
I want to do everything that will return us to.
Greatness.
I think at some point he's going to wake up and realize...
I think it's Kellyanne, to be honest.
I think Kellyanne Conway has been pushing some of this.
libby emmons
Really?
tim pool
For pro TikTok?
ned ryun
Yeah.
So...
tim pool
Why do you think that is?
ned ryun
I think she's probably getting a consulting fee from them, from what I've seen.
I think she's actually a lobbyist for them.
She's also taking money from Ukrainians and all that stuff.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a problem with some folks in which...
It's not, it's, they're taking money from interesting sources.
That all to say, I think Trump's instincts are going to kick back in when he realizes, I have to be consistent across the board on the issue of China.
And I think TikTok is part of that being consistent, right?
Got it.
No, we're not doing this.
tim pool
Yeah.
ned ryun
At some point, it's going to kick back in.
tim pool
The concern that I have is TikTok doesn't allow, or China doesn't allow TikTok in their own country.
That's a red flag right there.
Tic Tac in their own country.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
I think it's a weapon against young people.
Even if 30% of the content is woke, they know they're creating an economic drag to the tune of 30% of the young people who follow that crackpot ideology, even if it's 5%.
Now, don't get me wrong, in the United States, X... Facebook, YouTube, they have the same garbage ideology, but Americans are allowed to have that ideology.
What we don't want is our foreign adversaries fanning the flames of an illogical, broken mental state that is wokeness, so that our young people grow up, and we end up with a story about a councilwoman in Massachusetts who's taking a month of leave because she's been misgendered.
libby emmons
They've been misgendered.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
ned ryun
Wokeness is weakness.
No, I agree with this.
tim pool
Pushed this to an extreme degree until Trump said, let's ban it.
And then they kissed Trump's ass and now Trump says, let's keep it.
ned ryun
No, I think we should pull the thread a little bit on the whole wokeness is weakness.
I mean, wokeness on energy policy is weakness.
Again, going back to national security.
But this whole idea of weakening, it's the mind virus in our younger generations and weakening them in the face of, I mean, I think we're in for some pretty challenging times.
On the international stage.
libby emmons
Trump had an executive order in his first term to ban TikTok.
tim pool
Yes.
And then it got blocked.
libby emmons
Yeah, it got blocked.
tim pool
And it was only after October 7th when TikTok for some...
So basically what happens is there was a very small footprint of Israel-Palestine content and then seemingly over the course of a single weekend it jumped to be two to one pro-Palestine.
All of a sudden you get this anti-Israel content and...
Democrats and Republicans are like, uh-oh, you know, because they love Israel.
Now, I'm not here to make an argument on Israel-Palestine.
The point is, I don't care who you are.
China should not be implementing algorithms that manipulate the worldview of the American people.
I don't like that corporations do it.
The U.S. government shouldn't do it.
Yet here we are.
One quick thing.
Super Chatter Ian said, anyone else notice Tim mirroring Trump?
I'm literally impersonating him.
unidentified
That was the joke.
tim pool
I'm doing the Trump hands when I'm talking about Donald Trump.
ned ryun
Kellyanne Conway advocating for TikTok on Capitol Hill March of 2024 from Politico.
tim pool
And what was her daughter doing?
libby emmons
Probably doing like...
Anti-Israel stuff on TikTok?
tim pool
No, she was doing a lot of the social media stuff and was heavily criticized for what she was posting.
ned ryun
I'm telling you, there are some people that are taking some very weird consulting contracts that need to be watched.
phil labonte
There's a lot of pro-China stuff that's ended up in my ex-feed in the past couple days, ever since the whole Red Book came out.
libby emmons
What's the deal with this Red Book thing?
Have you guys signed up for it?
unidentified
No!
tim pool
It's just another app.
libby emmons
Just like a Chinese data capture.
tim pool
I will keep it simple, and with all due respect to Bobby Sauce, who was on the show yesterday, we ended up doing this 30-minute-long debate over the issue of TikTok, of which he was not as informed as I. I mean that with no disrespect.
He didn't read the bill in a long time.
He wasn't familiar with the provisions that were in it, and he wasn't familiar with how TikTok worked or what the bands were, the timeline on these bands.
And so my point was just literally...
I believe that he exemplifies exactly why we have to shut China's interest in TikTok down immediately.
The bill is correct.
All they have to do is divest.
The app can stay.
Whatever.
But you end up with a guy defending Chinese interests.
The debate was not TikTok should be banned outright goodbye.
The debate was foreign adversaries should be...
At the demand of Congress, with congressional power, forced to divest from American media.
That's what the bill does.
He argued against that.
And the question that Raymond had and I had over and over again is, why should China be allowed to own a mass media program in the United States?
The answer is there's zero reasons.
libby emmons
Yeah, there's zero reasons.
tim pool
So when you can convince an individual to go on a massive news show and advocate wholeheartedly for Chinese interests, you can see the effect of Chinese propaganda in real time.
It's literally that.
ned ryun
Vehicle for injecting their propaganda or their...
I mean, the thing that's a little scary, they play the 100-year game.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ned ryun
So, of course, they're good.
They're going to take this slow, and if it's 30%, like you were saying, they're going to start weakening the woke mind virus, pumping it into the young generations.
Maybe it causes effects 10 years, 20, 30 years from now, but they're playing the 100-year game.
We're allowing them to have a vehicle for propaganda to inject it into young American minds.
I know a lot of Republicans, staffers, and members on the Senate side are definitely for, like, we need to actually address TikTok in a forceful way.
So I'm kind of curious to see how this plays out in the first six months of the Trump administration.
tim pool
Well, the argument is that Donald Trump will use an executive order to suspend enforcement action against TikTok, which technically could work.
I don't think it will.
I could be wrong.
The issue is that there are fines attached to this bill.
Apple and Google would be on the hook.
As private companies...
You're going to be hard-pressed as an insurer or as a business owner to say, I'm willing to open myself up to massive liability under the promise that Trump decided he won't enforce a law that we're breaking.
Four years after Trump leaves, those fines will be on the books, and Apple and Google will be on the hook for those fines should another president decide to enforce the action at that point.
So when this law kicks in, the Supreme Court has not stopped it.
It doesn't matter if Trump says I won't enforce against it if Apple and Google say, yeah, well, we don't want to be involved in whatever that is.
Not to mention, these other big tech platforms might say, hey, we don't want China competing with us in this space.
We want to control the data, so we will happily take it down and use you as the excuse as why we had to.
phil labonte
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't...
I think that it's more than just the influence.
I think that it's probably an espionage tool.
More than just being able to...
ned ryun
They backdoor everything.
phil labonte
Yeah, more than just being able to influence what people think and kind of fomenting anti-American sentiment, which it absolutely does.
You can hear people complaining about the United States.
ned ryun
Was it on TikTok where all of a sudden Osama bin Laden...
Was that the whole push going on TikTok that somehow Osama bin Laden wasn't a bad guy, actually?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
This is insane to me.
libby emmons
Yeah, that was insane.
tim pool
The argument...
libby emmons
He went back to his Guardian letter.
tim pool
The bin Laden letter was circulating and going viral, and this is the point.
Young people don't know the context.
Many of the people that were posting this weren't alive on 9-11, and I mean, with no disrespect to these young people.
So they don't know the history.
They didn't experience it.
China...
Through TikTok, begins then promoting this in their algorithm.
So, here's what happens.
Young people don't read the letter, do the research, come back and say, here's my historical assessment on the Bin Laden letter.
They say, hey, whoa, this guy got a million views for praising Osama Bin Laden.
ned ryun
Right.
tim pool
So then they make a video where they do the exact same thing, repeat the exact same lines, and then what happens?
Some 17-year-old kid in high school opens the app and he sees a wall of posts.
Bin Laden was right over and over and over again with millions upon millions of views.
We need to shut this down.
The idea that Trump would defend this.
Trump needs someone to talk to him for real.
He's got Elon Musk right there.
Elon should be like, yeah, dude, look.
Elon goes a different route on this one.
Okay?
We don't want China doing that stuff.
libby emmons
I think it's weird too that he just reversed it and it was just because after the election because he used TikTok during the election.
A lot of people use TikTok.
A lot of conservative influencers use TikTok during the election and now they're not talking about how TikTok should be shut down.
Meanwhile, in the first term, I remember that...
That executive order, it was what, like, was it like September 2020, maybe, was when the executive order was to ban TikTok?
And I was like, this seems like a really good idea.
Everyone was super in favor of it, and now it's just like a complete about-face.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to this story from Kotaku.
unidentified
Ooh, one of our favorite stories.
tim pool
That's right.
Elon Musk and Asmongold are fighting after the streamer accused him of being a fake gamer.
Fans have called BS on Musk's path of exile to obsession.
Okay, let's slow down there, friends.
Many of you watching this show may be like, you guys know the meme where the guy said, I'm 50 and all celebrity news looks like this?
Curtains for Zushka?
Batboy flips a grunt or whatever?
This is what a lot of people are, I saw a lot of people post this and they were like, they posted the meme next to it and I'm like, it's very good.
Let me give you the English version.
Elon Musk is accused of censoring people, censoring an individual who criticized his video gameplay and accused him of cheating.
Thus, the owner of one of the largest social media platforms has been accused of censoring conservatives over H1B and now an individual who impugned his honor.
I don't know that it's actually exactly true or what happened.
But Asmund Gold, a prominent YouTuber with millions of subscribers, saw his verified checkmark disappear while he was sleeping, I guess, and then come back later.
To be fair, I do find that kind of hilarious.
That Elon Musk was just like sitting there at Twitter HQ and he's like, delete, you're verified.
And then a few hours later he was like, ah crap, and put it back.
It's actually kind of funny.
libby emmons
It is funny.
And it's transparent.
tim pool
The accusation I suppose is, or I should say the concern is, that Elon Musk is abusing his power as the owner of this platform and going after his critics.
phil labonte
I think it was funny.
It's silly and petty stuff.
tim pool
He did leak DMs, too.
phil labonte
That's bad.
That I legit think is bad.
libby emmons
I don't think you should ever leak DMs.
I think that's rude.
phil labonte
And to be honest with you, there's a lot of stuff that Elon's done lately that I really wish that he hadn't done.
ned ryun
H-1B visa stuff?
phil labonte
I mean, not so much that.
The way that he got into the H-1B visa argument, yes.
But banning a lot of people, even some of the real scumbags that are annoying on X, I don't think that...
It's good to ban people and stuff like that, mostly because it gives the people that don't like him and would love to say, oh, he's not really this.
It gives them something to talk about.
So I think he should...
If I were him, I would just ignore them and leave it alone.
But this is just silly.
So, I mean...
tim pool
Yeah, the H-1B thing was interesting because it certainly looked like for a long period of time there was an attempt to get Elon Musk and Donald Trump to fight each other.
ned ryun
Right.
tim pool
To get MAGA to go after him.
And then sure enough when this controversy pops up, certainly a lot of people went to war over it.
I do believe there was a campaign, an op as it were.
And it works really well.
It's a hard thing to navigate because what happens is...
ned ryun
So you think somebody was facilitating...
Trying to gin up to fracture America first over the topic of H-1P visas.
tim pool
I would say it is based on the evidence I've seen, extremely likely, that there were bot accounts attacking people and posting abhorrently racist things targeting Elon.
To try and create a rift.
It's fascinating to me.
The narrative the week before was that the corporate press was trying to create a rift between Trump and Elon.
They're running these stories saying Donald Trump secretly is angry at Elon saying these things about him.
And then Trump supporters are posting Elon and Trump aren't going to fall for it.
Then all of a sudden...
You get a bunch of accounts that are not verified, and they're posting very racist things.
They're making direct incendiary comments about the genetics of an Indian man in particular and posting his photo over and over again, trying to personally offend a friend of Elon Musk.
Many of these accounts...
So I'll give you an example.
You know, I talk about how you know they're bots, and it's because they post things that are either antagonistic, nonsensical, or don't align with what you posted.
For instance, there are a bunch of...
Of non-verified accounts with few followers that post weird things in response to anything I do calling me a Jew.
Right?
These are not real people.
There's no human being on their phone being like, wait, did Tim tweet?
Better call him a Jew again.
When the same accounts over and over again automatically, like, seemingly say the same things over and over again, you're like, yeah, these are not real accounts.
ned ryun
Right.
tim pool
So what I noticed when this whole thing went down was that there were accounts that, for me, it was interesting because I initially tweeted, this looks like an op.
Got attacked by a bunch of Trump supporters.
However, I disagree with Elon's stance on H-1B to a great degree.
And I was very much in favor of shutting it down, reforming it, or doing something like that.
When I then posted like seven different tweets about why H-1B was bad, the responses from most of the visible accounts, they responded as though I said the opposite.
Because they're bots.
Because the bots had categorized my account or were assigned to my account as...
Pro-ELON, not anti-H1B. So I've explained this quite a bit, but the way it works is if a bot farm is targeting you and there's an individual running it who doesn't read English or something, a text generator or something like that, if my account was listed pro-ELON, anything I tweet in relation to the subject would be responded to as if it was pro-ELON. So when I then tweet H1B is bad, the response is, you're an idiot.
H1B is actually bad and you're wrong.
And I'm like, but I said that.
Because they're not real people.
So you can see that happening in real time.
Here's why it's hard to fight.
The average person can't see that because they don't have millions of followers.
So I get a thousand responses from a wall of bots and I'm like, look at that.
Then what happens is some run-of-the-mill Trump supporter who is a real person claims that I accused them personally of being a bot because they disagreed.
Which is not correct.
That's why it's so hard to navigate through this stuff.
Interesting.
ned ryun
But regardless of whether there was somebody doing something nefarious and trying to create some fractures inside the movement, I think it's a legitimate conversation, a legitimate topic to have a conversation about.
tim pool
No, never said it wasn't.
ned ryun
No, that's why I'm like, great, let's have it.
I went on TV and said, why are we even starting this conversation about a broken system saying we should expand it?
tim pool
So here's what happens.
A bunch of accounts started posting pictures of Indian people and saying abhorrently racist things while advocating for H1B. I believe those bots were actively trying to defend H1B. So it's like a false flag.
If the average person goes on X and sees a wall of racist content and then says H1B is bad...
They have an emotional reaction against those people.
Go to their friends and say, I don't know, all those people that are arguing against H-1B are abhorrently racist, evil people.
ned ryun
So your theory is who was behind it?
tim pool
The people who like H-1B, I believe, were pushing bot farms.
I'll put it this way.
Some people who are pro-H-1B ran bot farms that were racist, anti-H-1B to make it appear as though anybody who was a critical of H-1B was woke, right, racist, white nationalist, anti-Semites.
ned ryun
I think it backfired.
tim pool
And it does overlap with the whole woke right garbage, too.
ned ryun
I think it backfired on them.
tim pool
I don't think so.
In what way?
ned ryun
I think we actually had a legitimate...
Whatever they were trying to achieve.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
That conversation existed and someone tried exploiting it.
ned ryun
Right, they tried to.
tim pool
The conversation wasn't created by bot farms.
ned ryun
No, I know, but I think their attempt to take over or redirect the conversation, I don't think that that actually succeeded.
tim pool
It did.
ned ryun
You think so?
tim pool
When Elon Musk tweeted that these vile racists should be excised from the party, you see, people don't know what he's talking about because they don't see the bots like he does.
And so then when I agreed and said these fringe identitarians should not be welcome, it gets taken by people who are not bots as though I'm insulting them for criticizing H-1B, and it creates, and so is chaos.
And we're not talking about...
The goal of the bot farm and the operations on social media, the goal is not to create a one-for-one inversion.
Like, today you will support Elon, tomorrow you will not.
It's to create friction and chaos and to increment things by degrees.
So it looks to me as, I will say this, one, bots are true.
Elon called about the moment he got into Twitter and started going through it.
We know they exist.
They operate every single day on every single issue.
Some of them get flagged, some of them get banned, some of them do not.
I think it was Elon was basically pointing out that the federal government was operating bots to sway public opinion as well.
And he said, now I'm going to charge you money because you need verification to be visible.
libby emmons
That was interesting, too, because he said that it was possible that Twitter had been overvalued because there were so many bots and Twitter had counted them as users.
tim pool
And they did.
unidentified
That's right.
ned ryun
But my whole thing being what they all do, whatever took place online and whatever Elon said.
I mean, obviously, it was a minuscule part, and I'm sure there were some people that are genuinely racist.
Most of them were bots.
I think that actually led to a greater conversation about, wait a minute.
I would argue...
tim pool
Let's hold on right there.
The conversation existed before bots started trying to disrupt it.
ned ryun
But I don't think a lot of people actually ever paid attention to the H-1B visa program in as much detail or as much attention as what took place a few weeks ago.
tim pool
The bot attack and the H-1B conversation are two entirely different circumstances.
The conversation around H-1B existed.
ned ryun
Right.
tim pool
It still exists.
ned ryun
Okay, yes.
tim pool
The bots trying to sow chaos with racist posts is an entirely separate thing that did not create the conversation on H-1B. No, it tried to redirect it.
It sowed chaos, and it shifted opinions of some people in bad directions.
ned ryun
I guess I would push back a little bit and go, I'm not sure what significant percentage it might have shifted.
tim pool
It doesn't need to be significant.
The point is, it's all about, I described this the other day, casinos don't win by going head-to-head with you in a game of blackjack and winning all your money.
They win by winning 0.5% every year.
So when these accounts, I made this point about Groypers.
I said Nick Fuentes' fans, the people who go in chat rooms and post vile rape threats to children are not Fuentes' fans.
Those are people trying to attack Nick Fuentes.
How do you effectively attack Nick Fuentes, claim to be a fan, and then threaten to rape a child?
What happens then is a regular person who's never heard Fuentes or heard his arguments says all of his fans are weirdos who threaten children, which is not true.
ned ryun
And you think that has now affected the H-1B visa debate?
tim pool
Maybe it's 1%, maybe it's 2%, but look, man, I go on X, and I'm looking at some of these posts, and I see 50 tweets from people posting pictures of Indian people calling them a whole, like, bucket of racial slurs in every possible direction.
And the only thing to conclude is this.
No reasonable person who wants to stop H-1B would do that.
ned ryun
Correct.
tim pool
The people who want H-1B want to smear their opponents as evil racists.
unidentified
Racists.
tim pool
A regular person walks into a room and says, what's this H-1B thing about?
And they see a bunch of people screaming racist things.
ned ryun
All the racists are for...
libby emmons
All the racists want to ban H-1B. Maybe I'm not in favor of reforming it.
tim pool
I don't want to be involved with those guys.
They're racists.
libby emmons
So if there's all these bots on X, how many bots are there on TikTok pushing all this stuff?
tim pool
Oh man, I assume massive numbers.
And we can't see it.
We know that when Elon went into X, we could see these things.
But with TikTok, we can't see anything.
libby emmons
No, it's totally obscured.
ned ryun
So, just my take on this is it might have colored a little bit all around the edges, but I don't think it fundamentally changed anyone saying we have to have a real conversation about H-1B visas.
And the immediate reaction being, well, you're a racist.
tim pool
There is an ongoing campaign from disaffected liberals to label people as woke right.
To gatekeep and effectively sow discord.
And they're doing it because I think Jack Posobiec has it right when he calls them diet woke.
These are disaffected liberals who are saying things like—they're basically using the phrase woke right to refer to anyone who is on the right.
First, they'll target Candace Owens and say, look at her criticism of Jews.
She's woke right.
Anybody who has concerns about Candace Owens' views on Jews, Israel, U.S. liberty, whatever, might be like, whoa, woke right.
Then— James Lindsay calls Oren McIntyre the example of woke right.
Oren McIntyre is like a post-liberal.
And it's like, what?
Then he calls Tucker Carlson woke right.
Then Michaela Peterson says, anybody who's critical of H-1B is a racist woke right.
And you see where it's going.
Disaffected liberals are creating an umbrella term to call everybody racist the same way the woke left had been doing.
This is Diet Woke.
They're doing the same strategy.
So when you see a spattering of weird accounts with random string text names, no followers, and they're not verified, and they're insulting Indian people in rather disgusting ways, I'm like, yeah, it's not a legitimate anti-H1B group.
This is an operation to try and sow discord and make the people criticizing H1B look bad.
libby emmons
What's post-liberal?
tim pool
So, if you want a great in-depth response, the best thing I would suggest is watching The Lotus Eaters.
But I can give you a very, very surface-level understanding.
So, I'm not a conservative.
I probably lean post-liberal.
The idea being that for the long time I was a liberal and I believed in universal principles, things that we should hold to be true and protect.
And then you slowly start to realize a few things.
Liberal ideas actually got us to this problem in the first place by allowing evil people to be evil.
Ideas like we should defend free speech even for those we disagree with results in people who want to destroy your free speech destroying it.
And so at a certain point you actually say we should protect free speech for those that believe in free speech.
There's a limiting to the principle.
But an easy way, I look at what it means to be more post-liberal.
And again, Carl Benjamin would give you a much better breakdown because he was the OG classic liberal YouTube Gamergate guy, now the post-liberal podcaster.
libby emmons
Would you describe yourself as post-liberal?
tim pool
Leaning in that direction.
I don't know enough about it, and I don't like joining factions, but I would put it this way.
We had the conversation yesterday as it pertained to TikTok.
When Bobby Sauce was arguing that if we believe in small government, we shouldn't give the government more power to ban things.
And I said, yeah, that's liberal.
He chuckled like I was calling him a liberal.
I said, no, that's a literal liberal philosophy of there are universal principles that must be protected.
Easiest example that came up was during COVID. Here's a question for you, Ned.
Do you think that parents should have the final say when it comes to medical decisions for their children?
ned ryun
Of course.
tim pool
So you think a parent that wants to sterilize and castrate their son should be allowed to do it?
ned ryun
Interesting.
tim pool
No, you don't.
ned ryun
No, I don't.
tim pool
So you don't believe parents should have the final say.
There are certain circumstances where the government should intervene and where the government should not, meaning there is no universal principle over parents having the right of final say on the medical decisions for their children.
ned ryun
Where do you draw the line, though?
tim pool
Your personal morals.
And that is a post-liberal understanding of, hey, wait a minute.
We argued free speech should be for all.
And then we realized...
Actually, the communists who don't believe in free speech have weaponized it against us, are taking it from us and destroying everything while we sit back and let them do it.
libby emmons
That's like when people criticize, you know, people don't like what you say.
People don't like if you're saying, you know, we should have mass deportations.
And they're like, oh, really nice Christian values you have.
And it's like, you're an atheist.
Shut it.
ned ryun
You don't even believe in this.
libby emmons
I had someone come at me recently with Christian values, and I'm like, these are the Christian values that I'm upholding, in fact.
tim pool
My body, my choice stuff is a big awakening when you realize the hypocrisy of liberals.
They say, my body, my choice for abortion, but not for vaccines, meaning my body, my choice is not a universal principle to these people's morality.
ned ryun
Intellectually incoherent.
tim pool
They're not liberal.
libby emmons
They're illiberal.
What's interesting, too, is you had liberals in the 90s coming down hard on Christian scientists' parents who didn't want to seek medical treatment for their ill children.
And those are the same people now who want to get in the way of parents refusing to allow their children to have sex changes.
tim pool
Let's break it down in the way that really hits the culture war.
If a conservative parent has a child in school and that child says they're trans and they want the surgery, the government in a liberal state will keep that information from the parents so the parents don't have a right to make a decision as to the medical treatment for their child.
If they were in a conservative state and the parent said, I'm going to help you do it, the conservative state would intervene to stop the parent from doing it.
Conservatives would agree with that.
And in the inverse, liberals on the other side would agree with the state intervening to give the child a sex change, meaning depends on your personal morals, I guess.
Where do we draw the line is based entirely on what we believe to be good or bad and what will improve this country or not.
So post-liberal is more like that, which I think is fairly obvious and correct for that reason as just described.
But for me, it starts with my body, my choice.
It starts with free speech.
The left has this Karl Popper meme.
Where he's like, if you tolerate intolerance, eventually the intolerant win.
And we scoff and laugh at them as they utilize this fascistic ethos of might makes right against us.
And for the longest time in the 2010s, I as well as the classical liberal bunch kept saying, If Twitter bans a leftist, we will stand up to defend their free speech because we believe in free speech.
The moment they got unbanned, they'd come out and file reports against us to have us banned.
Boy, were we stupid for doing that.
libby emmons
It's like the Neil Gaiman thing.
tim pool
I will defend free speech for someone who believes in my free speech.
ned ryun
Right.
tim pool
So if Nick Fuentes says we should have free speech and they go to ban him, I'll say, hey, look, man, he stands on the principle, may not agree with his opinions, but he deserves free speech.
But a communist trying to strip away our rights to free speech, when they get banned, I'm going to say, ha, ha, ha.
libby emmons
That's like with the whole Neil Gaiman thing, the author.
So he's been alleged to, you know...
Sexual stuff.
He did wrong sexual stuff, apparently.
It's what everybody's saying.
But he was opposed to women's rights and in favor of, you know, men being in women's bathrooms and men being able to be called mother and all of this stuff.
So you have all of these sort of post-feminists who have been saying, you know, Me Too went too far, looking at Neil Gaiman going like, well, enjoy it.
unidentified
Yep.
libby emmons
I haven't said anything about Neil Gaiman, and I was very opposed to the whole Me Too thing.
And it's like, he's been out here advocating for child sex changes and whatever else, and I'm just like, well, suck it.
Suck it, Neil Gaiman.
Enjoy your allegation.
tim pool
I think another thing...
So basically, on the surface, it might appear that post-liberals and conservatives have a lot of things in common, but they're actually quite different.
Conservatives have traditional moral values they want to uphold.
Post-liberal is not too different in some ways, but largely about realizing the liberal ethos led to the creation of policies that have destroyed everything.
For example, the 1964 Civil Rights Act is an absolute outcome of classical and then traditional liberalism.
What does the 1964 Civil Rights Act give us?
HR departments.
By law, there's nothing you can do about it.
So we actually have a couple stories about DEI departments shutting down, and Phil made this point before the show started.
So long as they have HR, they have DEI. And it's because, as someone who runs a company...
I know exactly what the insurance companies require.
I am required to have insurance.
There are certain things I can't do without insurance.
I'm not going to get into the great details, but yep, you want to buy a certain product or run it for your business?
They're going to ask you if you have insurance.
You want to open a store?
You've got to have insurance.
Insurance companies are going to ask you, what do you do to mitigate against these particular things?
Why would we insure you if you're going to get sued for a violation of all of these rights?
So long as that...
All those titles exist and the Civil Rights Act exist.
You are going to be required by law to have weird things in your business.
You will, like, let's say you have a business and you're in rural West Virginia, which is 99.9% white.
You will get sued for being racist and they will cite the fact that your company is majority white.
And when you try and argue it's because people here are white, it won't matter.
You will lose.
But let's actually jump to that story.
From Mediaites.
FBI shuttered DEI office ahead of Trump's inauguration.
Now, why would they do that?
ned ryun
No, they didn't.
tim pool
They didn't do it?
ned ryun
No, they did, but I think they're probably just embedding them throughout the different parts of the agency.
unidentified
Oh, right.
ned ryun
No, the woke mind virus is metastasizing.
This is what concerns me a little bit.
Not only at FBI, I've heard some of this taking place at DOD and other places.
We're going to shut down some of this stuff.
They're not...
On the surface, it looks like they are, but they're just embedding these people in different departments, different parts of the FBI. They're not firing anybody, right?
No.
So that's why...
tim pool
Well, Cash, you got your work cut out for you.
ned ryun
This is what I want to...
I want them to have time stamps from November 6th.
Maybe even November 5th.
But November 5th, 6th, timestamps on when did these people get reassigned from, say, a DEI office?
Where did they get placed?
Who are they?
What have they been assigned to do to figure out what they're trying to do by embedding these people in different offices?
And say, yeah, we went back and looked at the timestamp, and we know what you're doing, and we're not going to tolerate it.
I've suggested that to some of the nominees.
Go back and look at timestamps when they started.
You know, doing this maneuvering and figure out what they're doing.
tim pool
Is the answer simple then?
When Kash Patel is confirmed as head of the FBI, he just looks at anybody who was in the DEI department and just fires them?
ned ryun
Yeah.
Look at a timestamp.
No, look at when they were moved.
Probably they were moved post-November 5th and go, yeah, that's great.
The thing is, until you can firmly decide the head of the executive branch can fire these people, one of the other things that I've proposed, just start a Department of Elimination until you can actually solve the fundamental question.
Just send them and say you're reassigned to one of the hundreds of empty government buildings.
We're not going to have you resist or cause problems or try and stop Trump's policies.
You've just been reassigned to this Department of Elimination.
You get to show up at an empty desk, no computer, read a newspaper, read a book.
You're not going to do any more damage to Trump's policy.
tim pool
There's things they can do, like you can never move boxes from one room to another, you know?
ned ryun
Stuff like that.
No, I think everything...
I mean, GS-14, 15, and SES types are the ones that really lead the resistance inside...
phil labonte
I think everyone GS-13 and above should get fired, but that comes...
ned ryun
That's why I've suggested start...
Well, I'd say GS... 12 and 13s, but sure.
phil labonte
Hey, you want to add to it?
Fine, man.
ned ryun
No, but you're right.
I mean, that's where you start to get to these guys really starting to make decisions.
GS-14s and 15s really think they are the deciders.
tim pool
I got it.
Wait, wait.
How many FBI agents are there that you think we could reassign?
ned ryun
Well, so I just got told by someone that's a current agent that about 40% of the, I think it's current field agents, maybe it's the agents at headquarters, but it's a significant percentage came in under Christopher Wray.
phil labonte
There's only 38,000 FBI agents right now.
tim pool
So wait, wait, wait.
Are we saying there's 40% of those that we could reassign because we don't need them?
ned ryun
I don't trust them.
Let's just say for starters, I don't trust them.
unidentified
I think you can lose half of them.
tim pool
That's not my question.
ned ryun
I think you can lose half.
tim pool
So I think we're looking at half, so 19,000?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's send them all to a facility in Alaska and have them work on the 3x plus 1 problem.
phil labonte
Well, Ned and I were talking about this earlier.
tim pool
This math problem has baffled math petitions for 50 years.
19,000 people.
ned ryun
No Malaska.
tim pool
And no Malaska.
unidentified
No Malaska.
tim pool
Just sitting in a room, writing down numbers.
ned ryun
That's where the new FBI headquarters are.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ned ryun
That's where the new beautiful FBI headquarters will be, no Malaska.
Go up there and solve these problems.
tim pool
Well, it's one problem, and it's just we're going to have you all.
ned ryun
For decades.
tim pool
So the 3x plus 1 problem, it's basically, let me actually give you the full breakdown on this one, how it basically works.
You take a positive number.
If it's even, divide by two.
If it's odd, multiply by three, then add one.
And eventually it'll collapse and come down to one.
And so we're trying to figure out if it's true or not.
It's presumed.
And it's not been solved.
But 19,000 people of rudimentary mathematic experience, I think we could solve that problem.
ned ryun
It might take them like four years.
phil labonte
I don't care.
ned ryun
Five years, six years.
tim pool
There's things they can do in the meantime.
phil labonte
But Ned and I were talking earlier, and I think that...
Or he mentioned something that I didn't even realize, that when you relocate a large agency or a business, 20% of the personnel decide they don't want to move.
ned ryun
They're not going to move their families, they're not going to relocate schools.
phil labonte
So this comes back to something that we've been talking about here regularly.
Break apart all of these...
Agencies that are in D.C. and send them throughout the country, and you'll get a massive downsizing of the federal government just because of the movement.
ned ryun
If trends would hold true about 20 percent.
I mean, there's 800,000 federal employees that the government of its own volition has deemed to be non-essential.
phil labonte
Yeah.
100 percent.
ned ryun
800,000.
Let's get them out.
phil labonte
Get them out.
ned ryun
You're done.
And that's why I want...
tim pool
There we go.
At two station.
It's the westernmost point of the Aleutians.
ned ryun
Oh.
That's where the new FBI headquarters are going to be.
tim pool
I think we should do that.
ned ryun
Yeah.
Great.
tim pool
Atu Station.
What is this?
phil labonte
I mean, that's great for the FBI, but there's a boatload of other bureaucracies that need to go.
ned ryun
Department of Education should cease to exist.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
Agriculture should go to Des Moines or something.
ned ryun
It shouldn't exist.
phil labonte
Yeah, 100%.
ned ryun
Get out of here.
I want Linda McMahon.
To go in and say, I have an announcement, day one.
I have an announcement to make.
I am the last Secretary of Education.
We are going to be shutting this down over the course of four years.
And before Trump's gone, as everybody has left the building, he just implodes the building.
Raises it to the ground.
libby emmons
Look at this.
DC is short on housing.
tim pool
Look where this is.
Look where Etu Station is.
You see that?
That little red dot, westernmost of the Aleutian Islands.
And the population density is zero.
phil labonte
Good.
tim pool
Zero.
I say we take them all and we send them there.
libby emmons
Then we're going to have to build a bridge to nowhere.
tim pool
I got to be honest, though.
phil labonte
I think we'll get more than 20% if we do that, though.
I think we'll get rid of more than 20%.
ned ryun
Yeah, I think we'd go from half of 19,000, we'd be down to like a handful.
tim pool
I mean, it actually looks like a really fun place to visit, to be honest.
Like, I would actually love to go and check this place out.
phil labonte
There you go.
tim pool
Here's your building.
They got bikes.
ned ryun
Wow.
tim pool
There's an old plane.
libby emmons
That's cool.
tim pool
Look at all that.
phil labonte
It looks like fun, man.
tim pool
You'd be safe from the zombies.
unidentified
You should start the tourism department and then you can pitch it to the 19,000 FBA agents.
tim pool
They have a little city.
Look at this.
ned ryun
Beautiful.
tim pool
Look at that.
ned ryun
Beautiful in the summer.
Probably have like 23 hours of sunlight.
tim pool
So the population is zero.
phil labonte
A lot of mosquitoes.
ned ryun
Winter is a little depressing.
libby emmons
A lot of mosquitoes in Alaska?
Really?
ned ryun
Yeah, I worked up there in the summer.
tim pool
You assume it's cold, but in the summer it's...
Daylight all day.
libby emmons
And everything melts.
tim pool
And the vegetables get big.
phil labonte
In North America, there's the same...
Like in Canada and Alaska, there's the same biomass of mosquitoes as there is in the Amazon, but it's in half the year as opposed to it's year-round.
libby emmons
Oh, wow.
There's a lot of mosquitoes here.
phil labonte
It's pretty bad, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, wow, man.
There used to be people there.
15. Wow.
There were 19 men and one woman.
Yikes.
phil labonte
But this is just one agency we're talking about here.
We got the whole Department of Transportation.
tim pool
Look, the Aleutians have a lot of islands.
ned ryun
A lot of conversations about people talking about reducing the size of government.
Great.
It's reducing responsibilities.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ned ryun
Like, where should government be?
Where should government not be?
And I think that's one of the conversations that we should have with the American people.
What should our government look like?
What is a proper government for a representative democracy, which progressives don't believe in, by the way?
What should it look like?
Where should it be?
You know, again, their whole approach is the state of salvation.
It should invade every aspect of your life.
People have asked why is there continual perpetual growth of the state?
Because they want it to invade every aspect of your life.
Until salvation comes to every aspect of your life, the state should continue to grow.
So it's in the DNA of the state.
libby emmons
Because they think the state is salvation.
ned ryun
Right.
So that's how they believe.
And then we need to have a conversation.
libby emmons
It's the ultimate company store.
ned ryun
Yeah.
But the conversation needs to be had.
Let's get back to a rights-based government.
Government is meant to secure.
These God-given rights and take none of them away.
So this is the conversation that has to be out with the American people, but the beginning point is break apart the Leviathan, downsize it, but downsize the scope.
When people talk about limited government, I think too often they look at, well, government should be limited in size.
It should be limited in scope.
phil labonte
Do you think that...
So to have that effect, do you think something like the Necessary and Proper Clause need to be amended, or the Commerce Clause?
Because those are the two clauses that actually allow the government, or that give the government justification, or the justification they use to expand into all, yeah, exactly.
I mean, because the Constitution does articulate the powers that the government has, and then anytime they want to do anything, they say, well...
Congress has the power to make laws that are necessary and proper.
Oh, this is to regulate commerce between the states.
Which, if you look at any, you know, if you look at the definition of regulate when they made that, it has nothing to do with being able to just, you know, tell people they can't grow wheat on their own property to feed to their own cow or whatever, you know?
ned ryun
But I would go back to most of the administrative state is inside, not the Article 1 legislative branch, it's in the Article 2 executive branch.
And the head of the executive branch should be able to decide.
What is necessary?
What is not necessary for the Article 2 executive branch to run effectively?
And if he gets that question answered, he can decide this is not needed for this to be used effectively for the American people.
I'm going to shut down this department.
I'm going to shut down this agency.
We're going to fire this many federal employees.
We're going to fire...
I don't think a lot of people know that there's twice as many federal contractors as there are federal employees.
It's about a two-to-one ratio.
We're going to get rid of this 4 million.
The last I checked, there were about 4 million federal contractors.
We're going to fire them.
libby emmons
4 million federal contractors?
ned ryun
Yeah, just for the federal government.
About 2 million federal government employees.
That doesn't include military.
tim pool
Too many.
ned ryun
Yeah, what does a representative democracy government that is meant to secure rights, what does that actually look like in practice in the 21st century?
And the head of the Article 2 branch, I think, should be empowered to be making that decision in some ways.
phil labonte
Not that I think that an amendment is possible.
I think that it would be some kind of long shot.
But do you think that it would be functional to have an amendment that actually outlines what the government's role should be?
Because, you know, it should be, like, in my estimation, I'm close to the idea that there should be a government that should provide courts for re-just agreements, they should defend the borders, and then they should protect property rights.
And that's it.
That's all the – those are the legitimate functions of government.
ned ryun
Which, by the way, do we actually have private property if we have property taxes?
phil labonte
No, and I think that that should be adjudicated.
ned ryun
Yeah, you're just paying rent.
But I just – last, really quick.
I mean I think you – property rights.
The founders believed that you had a right to property and there's property and rights.
And I don't think – I think if you don't have actual real private property because of property taxes, I think you undermine the whole idea of actually – What does it mean to have rights?
phil labonte
I agree completely.
tim pool
I want to jump to the story, but I just realized that the pop-up on the Post Millennial is Libby on Timcast IRL. Look at that!
unidentified
But it was you on IRL. That was me on IRL. How's the introduction?
libby emmons
You're in Martinsburg space.
tim pool
That's right.
I was like, that's a big chair.
I was like, wait a minute, that's my window.
ned ryun
What's the introduction for you?
So you can do it for your son again.
libby emmons
You want me to do it?
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
I wonder if he's watching.
He might be.
He asked me for the link.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
tim pool
Oh, is that why you...
libby emmons
Hi, I'm Libby Emmons from the Post Millennial.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
You do say that.
libby emmons
All right, everybody.
tim pool
From the Post Millennial, DNC taps staffers behind misleading Kamala HQ account to combat misinformation.
phil labonte
Thank goodness.
tim pool
They will, quote, combat online misinformation and respond to the Trump administration actions by pushing out memes, videos, and graphics.
In other words, they will lie.
libby emmons
Yes.
They will lie.
And what's interesting, too, is remember how with Kamala HQ, immediately there was a Kamala HQ lies X account that popped up?
So there's a fact post L's account that has already popped up to debunk all of the nonsense that this fact post account publishes.
So, yeah, I think that's pretty interesting.
It also...
One thing is that if the DNC is hiring Kamala's Gen Z X staffers...
They really haven't learned anything from this election at all.
They're just going to keep going on and doing the exact same stupid nonsense they were doing before.
Lying, taking things out of context, misquoting, false allegations.
And that's what the DNC is going to do.
And the DNC doesn't even have a head yet.
But they're going to come in with this cohort ready to go and perpetrate misinformation hearings over the last few days.
ned ryun
I think it's an interesting question.
Democrats do seem to be in disarray.
Obviously, they're not bringing their A-game.
At what point do we think they will ever come to the conclusion, the path we are going down and we have gone down is a destructive one to our party and for us achieving political power again.
We might want to rejigger this whole thing and maybe not continue.
Or are they just going to simply double down?
libby emmons
Well, I guess it depends on who they pick for the DNC chair and maybe which way they go, right?
Because they have two directions they could go in.
They could go hard progressive left.
ned ryun
I think they will go that way.
libby emmons
Or like, you know, boost AOC and Rashida Tlaib and whoever else didn't get voted out from that whole squad.
Or they could go the more moderate approach and say, you know, well, of course, we do need to have more border control and we do need this and that.
We do need to reduce, you know, sterilizing our children and we do need to promote families.
So they have a choice to make and they haven't decided what choice they're going to make yet.
They don't know what they're going to do.
What's my bet?
I think if they have no sense, then they'll go progressive.
They'll go even harder progressive.
ned ryun
I don't know if they have the ability to, because I think the woke mind virus has broken their brains.
libby emmons
I don't think they have anything else, because if you look at it, the establishment ones, they're older than Joe Biden.
tim pool
I think people view the world and humans as this group that shifts around.
Watches the news, changes their minds.
The reality is...
ned ryun
They're fundamentalists.
tim pool
People's minds are developed in youth and largely solidified.
The reason the Democrats began embracing wokeness is because younger left-leaning individuals started in line with Democrats.
Thus, the Democratic Party officially adopted the DSA as a component of the Democratic Party.
The DNC cannot moderate because young woke people genuinely believe in their crackpot cult.
They're not going to wake up from it.
This is their whole worldview.
ned ryun
Their fundamentals and their views.
tim pool
Yes.
And what's going to happen is people like Pelosi and Schumer who have entertained it for power, they're going – they still moderate it to a certain degree despite entertaining it.
That's a weakness.
When they pass on, the younger people who move into the Democratic Party are going to be full on woke and it will be that much worse.
ned ryun
I agree.
I don't think they have.
I think the trends have been put in place.
I don't think there is a way for them to stop these trends until this next generation that has completely embraced this fundamentalist woke mind virus passes away, and that's not for a long time.
tim pool
Gen X is the reason Trump won.
Boomers still are leaning a little bit conservative.
Silent generation as well.
But once we lose the other generation...
I don't see how we get another populist right president.
ned ryun
Well, so I bring up an interesting point.
tim pool
And TikTok.
ned ryun
I think the 2028 elections are far more important than people understand because of what happens in the 2030 census.
phil labonte
Yeah, absolutely.
ned ryun
If you hold on to power in 2028, and by that I mean America First Republicans, it might be J.D. Vance, it might be somebody else.
You hold on to power then, the 2030 census, and the shift.
From these blue states into the Sun Belt and other key states down south, I think all of a sudden it becomes a decade of power.
tim pool
Take a look at this from Civics.
Here's the Donald Trump favorability as of today.
53% unfavorable.
18 to 34, 61% unfavorable.
35 to 49, 56 unfavorable.
50 to 64, 51% favorable.
65 plus.
50% favorable.
This is not...
There is not going to be a great awakening of...
The reason why generations skew one direction, it goes more and more liberal as time goes on, it's because the younger generations are exposed to liberal ideology.
ned ryun
Indoctrination centers.
tim pool
Indoctrination centers.
When they turn 30, they're going to hold those same views.
So when 18-34 becomes 34-49, Then you're going to see the 35 to 49 bracket have a 61% unfavorable rating for Donald Trump.
As the older generation passes on, this country is going to go woke.
And we're only lucky right now that Gen X, which was the largest bracket supporting Donald Trump, came out and voted for him, and the Republicans, without Gen X, that's it.
Now, the other issue is, when boomers go, and they do support Trump a little bit, It's going to be much more difficult for Gen X to maintain this.
And Gen Z is leftist.
This is why I say TikTok is so dangerous, but it's not just TikTok.
Our own companies do the same thing, pushing this crackpot ideology.
And I believe largely that either this country is sick to the core or Democrats are intentionally burning the country down.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, yeah, I've said this a boatload of times, like a happy population.
Doesn't engage in revolutionary activities.
So if you've got people that are ideologically bent on creating the perfected society or having a revolution in the U.S., you want unhappy Americans.
You want people that are disaffected.
You want people that are not pleased with the way that their lives and the country is going, so that way they will engage in revolutionary activities.
You don't get happy people that have kids and have happy families and stuff.
They don't want to engage in revolutionary activities because they're like, man, my life's good.
ned ryun
So a couple of things.
I mean, kind of what Tim was saying, like the numbers look pretty grim moving forward.
I think that should actually inspire those of us that are involved in politics in a day to day basis.
We better figure out how we actually get the numbers in our favor before 2028 in regards to voter reg.
ABGen, all these things in key battleground states to hold on to power in 2020. And then I think census numbers give us another 10 years.
But then that leads to the next point.
At some point, and J.D. Vance has talked about this.
I endorse it.
We should talk about the endowments for these indoctrination centers.
And let's have a conversation about what you're actually doing in...
Bringing these younger generations and indoctrinating them in destructive ideas that are going to ruin this country in the future and actually allow China and other countries to dominate us.
phil labonte
The Communist Control Act was a thing for a little while.
It's no longer a law, but I think that they should revisit the idea.
I mean, there's nothing wrong, in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with saying we need education to uplift our way of life and we should reject people.
Coming into our country that want to subvert it.
There should be nothing objectionable or even particularly odd about that sentiment.
If we as a nation want to survive and we like our way of life, we should have schools teach that the United States is a good place, not that the United States is a bad place.
We should have...
And if we're going to allow immigration at all, we should only allow immigrants in.
ned ryun
That benefits the country.
phil labonte
Exactly.
If they believe in the ideology and they want to become Americans, they have to want to assimilate.
You can't bring the old country's ways with you.
I'm sorry.
If you want the old country's ways, go to the old country.
But you're not making our country like the old country.
ned ryun
Kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier.
libby emmons
Yeah, go ahead.
No, that was the idea originally.
It was like...
You know, you could bring your food and bring your fashion and some of that stuff, but basically you have to become an American.
Assimilation was a huge deal.
ned ryun
You have to buy into the ethos.
We're not an economic zone.
We're not some random spot in the world.
There's a very specific and unique culture and way of life and how we approach things, the constitution, our government, all of these things.
And I think immigration policy should reflect that.
I mean, again, it goes back to the conversation earlier in which they're trying to destroy this country via immigration policy because they hate it.
Our immigration policy should actually be implemented, going back to the H-1B. Does this actually promote the interests of our culture and society?
All immigration and visa policy should actually be pointed in that direction.
Yeah, I mean, it goes back to what is the moral imperative of every national leader?
It's to promote the interests of the nation and its nation's people.
phil labonte
And if you don't want to promote...
ned ryun
What is best for them?
phil labonte
Yeah, if you don't want...
If you're not America first, why are you even running for a position in government?
ned ryun
Yeah.
tim pool
There are people who have this fractured view of the world.
They're not smart people.
They don't read.
They get their information from songs.
And not good ones at that.
And so their reason for joining government, some of these people, it's the only way to get their name in the history books.
For others, they're literally trying to burn it to the ground.
It's remarkable to me that there are people who are raised in this country who hate it.
That's particularly rare for a lot of the other developed nations, that you have this massive, I mean...
It's true in the UK. That people hate the UK? To be fair, the UK is in serious trouble.
Let me rephrase this.
There's been an increase in the West of younger generations who despise their own countries.
libby emmons
Part of that is that we have eradicated the reason that the countries are good in the first place.
We've taken away the moral values.
We've taken away civic.
We've taken away civility.
We've taken away all of the things that, as you were saying, would make you govern yourself and feel good about who you are.
We've destroyed meaning.
We've said meaning is irrelevant.
And then you have people going in search of what, like...
ned ryun
We settle for your truth, my truth, and annihilate the idea of objective truth.
libby emmons
Yeah, people go look for witchcraft, you know, to try and be part of that.
People are desperate to be part of something, and so they're searching for meaning and something to make them feel valid in the world.
And if that's...
If that's the road you're on, if you're staring into the void looking for anything to grab onto before you fall into the black hole of nothingness, you're going to grab whatever it is that shows up your way.
It's like the girl with daddy issues.
The first guy at the bar, she goes home with him.
unidentified
It is now time to say goodbye.
tim pool
Merrick Garland saying goodbye.
libby emmons
That's nice.
ned ryun
Oh, thank God.
I don't mind that weasel.
libby emmons
I'm glad he wasn't a Supreme Court justice.
tim pool
Yeah, thank God.
libby emmons
I remember when that was going on and I was like, Mitch McConnell's being a real stick in the mud.
It's like nine months left, you know?
And it's like, no, that was a good job.
phil labonte
Good job, Mitch McConnell.
libby emmons
That was like the one good thing he did.
phil labonte
Everybody can complain all they want about Turtle Man.
But he saved America from Merrick Garland and he saved all of the good things that the Supreme Court has done in the past.
I don't know however long it was since 2012 or 11 or whatever when he was.
All that good stuff probably wouldn't happen without Mitch McConnell.
ned ryun
Did you guys watch some of the confirmation hearing for Pam Bondi?
I can't remember which senator or Democrat.
tim pool
I can't believe she's 59. I know.
libby emmons
She looks good.
ned ryun
Yeah, she does.
tim pool
She's like 43. Yeah.
ned ryun
The question being, well, how can we be sure that you're not going to weaponize the DOJ against political...
libby emmons
And she's like, like you did.
unidentified
And she was like, wait, you just did that?
ned ryun
That's a serious question?
libby emmons
Yeah.
ned ryun
Have you not watched Merrick Garland the last four years?
tim pool
Well, it's because...
ned ryun
Weaponize the DOJ. They are evil.
tim pool
Yeah.
ned ryun
Now, this is...
You know what?
I'd love to have the conversation about...
In our society, we should have a conversation about there is good and there is evil.
And we should promote the good, and we should destroy the evil.
phil labonte
Yes.
libby emmons
That's a good way to go.
Get thee behind me, Satan.
ned ryun
For the benefit of society.
We should say there is good, there is evil.
But for that to happen, you have to have standards and principles that everybody agrees, and the idea of absolutes, it's not your truth, my truth, it is truth.
It's not subjective, it's objective.
phil labonte
Yep.
It's true.
There's always going to be the post-modern Perspective, right?
People think that quantum physics applies to normal, everyday interactions and stuff.
And fair enough, your actual perspective does matter, but that doesn't change the fact that you can talk about things that are true, that in a way...
That is close enough to fact to be functional for a society.
That's why, even though a lot of the stuff in the Bible isn't true-true, like it's not like the stories didn't actually happen the way they say in the Bible, but if you live your life away...
ned ryun
I don't know if that's true.
phil labonte
I do.
Anyways...
But the point that I'm making is...
ned ryun
The Word of God?
phil labonte
The truth of the Word of God?
ned ryun
Wait a minute, we can have a conversation.
phil labonte
No, no, no.
The point is, it's functionally true.
The point is, if you live your life according to the things that the Bible says, you're generally going to have a society that works out better.
libby emmons
Well, the Ten Commandments is basically a socio-technological advancement.
phil labonte
Yes, yes.
And whether it comes...
You guys are more than welcome to your religion and to believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
But the point...
ned ryun
By the Ten Commandments.
If we were to just say society should be ordered around the Ten Commandments.
libby emmons
That would be a good jam.
It would be a great society.
ned ryun
You should murder.
You should honor your father and mother.
You should not commit adultery.
libby emmons
You should not covet.
Don't drive yourself nuts wanting what the other guy has.
ned ryun
It's a good way to order society.
That's why God handed them down.
You should order your society based off these commandments.
tim pool
We had this conversation with Seamus on the show a year and a half ago or so, and I said, from a liberal perspective, if you break down the commandments logically, they all make sense.
That if a secular individual were to follow these, you would have a better society.
So we pulled them up.
phil labonte
That's not controversial either.
ned ryun
It shouldn't be.
tim pool
But it's actually quite simple, right?
The obvious ones don't commit adultery, like we agree with that.
Don't bear false witness.
Honor your parents.
Don't murder.
Don't covet stuff.
Don't steal or cheat.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
But then there's two.
Actually, there's three, which is the first commandment, having no other gods.
I can break that down very simply in a secular way as to why that still logically applies.
Because if you were to apply the word God as in the moral structure, or I should say from a liberal perspective, this system and what you are following, let's write these up from a secular perspective.
The first commandment would be, you shall have no other moral frameworks aside from this.
That's basically what it's saying.
Do not worship any other ideas or ideologies.
The ninth is, that one's actually quite simple.
Take a day for yourself to recover.
And the last one, of course, is don't use the name in vain, is literally do not disparage these ideas for which you live a better life.
libby emmons
And don't curse people.
ned ryun
Be consistent with them.
tim pool
I'm taking a secular approach to it, but I do think it's actually quite simple why we all think this way.
We were all raised...
In a society of Christian moral values.
So when we look at these, we say, that makes sense.
Go to China.
They're going to be like, what do you mean?
They don't have the same moral structure as we do.
libby emmons
These things are foundational to Western civilization.
And when we eradicate religion, we eradicate these ideas.
It is in service to destroying Western civilization.
And that's why communists hate religion, as Phil could tell you.
You know, that's why you have all of these hard leftists being really in favor of ideologies that destroy family, that destroy society, that destroy, you know.
ned ryun
The Judeo-Christian framework.
libby emmons
The Judeo-Christian framework, you know, love God or not, the Judeo-Christian framework created peaceful, high trust society.
It created the concept, the very concept of civilization was created because we had ancestors buying into Judeo-Christian values.
phil labonte
The Romans had civilization before.
libby emmons
Yeah, but it wasn't as good.
They had slaves underground pumping water.
It was still civilization.
ned ryun
Yeah, but the greatest amount of freedom and prosperity that the world has ever seen came from Judeo-Christian values.
libby emmons
Yes.
phil labonte
That's fair.
libby emmons
I would agree with that.
ned ryun
Yeah, I mean, I totally agree.
Rome was a great empire for a thousand years, but the greatest amount of freedom and prosperity for the most amount of people came from Judeo-Christian values.
libby emmons
Greece was good, too, but they left their babies on hillsides.
tim pool
How did it work that, like, you're a slave in Rome, and, like, how would they know?
You're, like, walking down the street, and they're like, you're a slave now.
libby emmons
Well, if you were, like, if Rome conquered your spot, the place where you lived, if Rome conquered you, you were a slave.
And if you were a Roman citizen, that meant you could either buy citizenship or you could be born into citizenship.
tim pool
How do you prove it?
libby emmons
I don't know, but you have an interesting thing that happens.
phil labonte
You'd be like, no, I'm not a slave.
tim pool
I'm actually a noble.
libby emmons
Well, you had this interesting thing that happens in Acts of the Apostles, which I was actually just reading recently, which is – so you have Paul, right?
And he is like a convert.
He's a convert to believe in Christ.
And he was a Jew, and he was like going around preaching about Jesus and all this stuff.
And the Romans got really mad, and they prosecuted him, and they came after him and everything.
And he was like, but I am a Roman citizen.
You can't do that to me.
And they were like, oh, snap.
You're a Roman citizen.
That means we can't just arrest you with no due process because we're going to get in super trouble because you can't do that to a Roman citizen.
phil labonte
There were legal disputes.
You had documents testifying your background.
Manumission records if someone was once a slave and then they bought their way out.
How do you buy freedom from being a slave?
ned ryun
Some of them had their own private.
They were allowed to actually earn money because their owners allowed them to do it and they were able to save up and buy their freedom.
tim pool
It was like a slave to own thing.
phil labonte
Slavery in the Roman Empire wasn't the same kind of chattel slavery that we had here in the United States.
tim pool
In the United States, you had people who bought their own slavery?
phil labonte
Yes, you did.
libby emmons
And they were able to buy their family members out of slavery as well.
phil labonte
Yeah, but that was also...
If I understand correctly, the way that slaves in the U.S. were treated was as if they were like a beast of burden, like a cow or like a...
ned ryun
They were.
phil labonte
That's the way they were treated.
ned ryun
In fact, that was one of the interesting debates of the Constitutional Convention of the slave state representatives.
We want them to count as human beings in the census to give us more representation in the House.
phil labonte
Which is why the three-fifths compromise.
ned ryun
But no, actually we want to treat them as property every other time.
tim pool
Isn't it funny though that most people have an inverted view of the three-fifths compromise?
Liberals tend to argue that the South wanted slaves to be only three-fifths of a person.
No, the South wanted them to be full people.
They wanted census.
ned ryun
They cut their power by 40% in the U.S. House.
That's what the Northern...
Mm-hmm.
phil labonte
But yeah, slavery in the Roman Empire was different to the kind of slavery that was here in the U.S. and in the colonies and broadly, like the Atlantic slave trade.
And I think that slavery in Africa today and in the Middle East today is different to both.
tim pool
I think it's worse.
phil labonte
Maybe.
tim pool
Worse there?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
I think it was probably worse in the Middle East a while back.
libby emmons
Slavery?
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, there's still slavery in the Middle East.
tim pool
Yeah, but I'm saying if you go back a thousand years or whatever with, like, the jihad and all that stuff, it was probably substantially worse.
They probably would just say, you're a slave and you work till you die.
We don't feed you.
You know, things like that.
libby emmons
That was true in Greece, too.
ned ryun
You'll notice in Judeo-Christian civilization there is no slavery anymore.
phil labonte
Anymore.
Well, I mean, that was one of the...
When the British ended slavery, they were the first society to end slavery.
ned ryun
And it was William Wilberforce who led decades-long campaign to end slavery inside the British Empire.
He is one of the greatest figures ever in British history.
phil labonte
And as much as considering the fact that the West gets so much hell from itself, from other people in the West, they ignore the fact that no other society ever ended slavery.
Notice that the British and Western, they're the only society that ever ended slavery.
They didn't just end it in one country.
They ended it basically throughout the whole British Empire, which was almost the whole world.
ned ryun
Of their own volition, paid out significant sums of money over the course of years to actually end the process.
Pretty amazing.
It also saves...
I mean, you think about how the British did it versus us, because we refused to actually address it and confront it.
There were some...
Very bad calculations made at the turn of the 19th century in which they thought it would die of its own volition.
It did not.
Cotton gin, all that other stuff that continued it on.
British Empire ended of its own volition.
No massive bloodshed.
We did not.
Massive bloodshed.
And then we finally got it right, obviously, in 1865, but still.
phil labonte
More people died in one battle in the Civil War than died in the whole Vietnam War.
Yeah, in the whole Vietnam War.
More Americans, I'm sorry.
libby emmons
Which battle?
phil labonte
Gettysburg.
ned ryun
Gettysburg, yeah.
phil labonte
Gettysburg.
ned ryun
Antinam, I think, was the bloodiest day in U.S. history, and the bloodiest battle was Gettysburg.
libby emmons
Because it lasted for more than one...
ned ryun
Three days.
libby emmons
Three days, yeah.
phil labonte
54,000 people.
tim pool
It's wild.
The South could have won at the first battle.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Battle of Bull Run.
They could have just walked into D.C. and it was over.
But the South was like, no, no, we don't want war.
We just want them to leave us alone.
ned ryun
Yeah, leave us alone.
tim pool
And the North was like, nah.
ned ryun
And then the manufacturing and manpower just eventually crushed them.
tim pool
Yep, they had better weapons.
They had breech-loading rifles.
And the South was still using muskets in Gettysburg.
I watched this really cool documentary.
Because Gettysburg's right here.
It's like a 40-minute drive.
ned ryun
Antietam's right here.
tim pool
Yeah, Antietam's down the street.
ned ryun
Yeah, yeah.
Which is a really cool battlefield.
tim pool
You can't walk to Antietam.
ned ryun
You should go there September 17th.
That's the anniversary of it.
tim pool
We found a rusty bayonet on this property, actually.
libby emmons
Oh, wow.
tim pool
If you take a metal detector on this property, you're going to find Civil War stuff.
ned ryun
So September 17th is the anniversary of Antietam.
It's also Constitution Day.
But if you go to Antietam on the anniversary, they have park rangers at key points of the battle with living history.
It is a really cool experience.
I would argue Gettysburg's an amazing battlefield to visit.
Antietam's right there with it.
It's a really fascinating battlefield.
tim pool
Gettysburg's also got a great chocolate shop.
ned ryun
Really?
No, but what's the, is it Sharps?
What's the town near Antietam?
Sharpsburg.
tim pool
Are you sure?
ned ryun
They have an amazing ice cream shop.
It is incredible.
tim pool
We go there all the time.
ned ryun
Yeah, we took our kids, we took them through the battlefield on the anniversary of the 17th, and then we found this ice cream shop.
I want to go back just for the ice cream.
tim pool
Nutters.
ned ryun
Nutters, yes.
tim pool
And it's like for a dollar, they give you like a gallon.
ned ryun
You know, that was the funny, my wife was like, I can't believe that we just paid six, we have four kids, there were six of us, like, how did we just pay that?
Little for, like, kids are walking in front of balance.
tim pool
And there's lines out the door.
ned ryun
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, so that spot's super close to our old studio.
We used to hop on our mopeds and all just go right up to Sharpsburg because it was like 15 minutes and you go through this winding, like, forest path.
libby emmons
It's so pretty.
That's a gorgeous path.
tim pool
And there's also a little pub across the street where they got great wings.
What is that?
Captain Benders?
Is that what it is?
Yep.
Sharpsburg, man.
ned ryun
I'm going back.
tim pool
It's crazy.
And you've got John Brown.
Because Harper's Ferry is right here, too.
You've got John Brown's raid headquarters.
And then you basically drive on any road.
We would hop on our mopeds and just drive down the road in this whole area.
There's placards everywhere and cannons everywhere.
And it's like, yeah, you live where people killed each other.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Yeah, Harper's Ferry is one of the most haunted places in the country, apparently.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
I don't know.
We've got ghosts here.
unidentified
Yeah.
ned ryun
Really?
tim pool
There's a cemetery on the property from the late 1700s or early 1800s, I think.
And the gravestones have all fallen over and they're washed out.
I think they were telling us that some of the bones may have come up and washed away or whatever because of a creek right there or something like that.
I don't know.
But we keep hearing ghost stories from the employees.
libby emmons
Really?
Here?
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
Like what?
tim pool
Well, Tales from the Inverted World kept trying to get their computer set up and weird things kept happening.
libby emmons
Oh, I remember Shane was telling me about that.
tim pool
And that's an 1800s barnhouse.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The ceilings are like six and a half feet.
Because, you know, people were really short back then.
ned ryun
Well, they're also trying to keep heat in the rooms.
tim pool
Yeah, it's kind of wild how low the ceilings are.
So Tales from the Inverted World is a show that Shane Cashman hosts.
And it's supposed to be like weird, wild conspiracy and things like this.
The computer would break in weird ways that we largely attributed to human error, but one day when the computer broke, the graphics card just fell out.
Anybody who's put a computer together is going to be like, how did that happen?
They were sitting in the room and it went, and the computer shuts off and they're like, what?
And they look and it fell out of the machine.
And it's just like, that's weird.
And a bunch of other weird things happen.
Cameras just fall down.
libby emmons
That's wacky.
tim pool
Floors won't open.
libby emmons
Has anybody seen any...
tim pool
The basement is super creepy.
ned ryun
This is a thin place where the other world and this world meet.
tim pool
I don't know.
All I know is the front building is from the 1800s.
It's an 1800s farmhouse and so it's got a lot of history and then for whatever reason, you know, ghosts.
libby emmons
Ghosts.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
That proves it.
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AlphaTurkey says, Tim, they're using Californian taxes to build Zola's algorithm and execute it using Lockheed's CL-1201.
Also, houses in Cali are made from wood to be earthquake-proof, and if hot enough, metal will burn.
Indeed, it will.
You know?
Magnesium burns.
libby emmons
Yes, it does.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Whenever you see, like, the people with the big drum and there's a fire over it, magnesium fire.
phil labonte
Aluminum burns, too.
tim pool
Does it really?
I assume it all burns, you know?
How about that?
unidentified
Okay, let's grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Anthony Shaw says, with talent on loan from God.
Okay.
Jason Nixon says, you often pitch your website to join the culture, to join Discord and members doing great things.
Have you ever considered shouting out Roman Nation and It's Based Gaming, both from your Discord?
I did that earlier today on one of the morning segments.
I shout out Roman Nation.
But I also want to shout out the, what is it, Seven Days to Die?
That's the game?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
The TimCast Discord server has its own community zombie game server, Seven Days to Today, I think it's called, where you can play games with a bunch of people.
I'm telling you, man, it is...
You know, I gotta be honest.
Y'all in the community have created the coolest member program ever.
Because you get all these websites and, like, sign up to be a member and you can watch this special show and see this special documentary.
And then for us, it's like...
That's just 20,000 people all doing really cool stuff, and you're hanging out.
For me, it's like you're helping make the company exist, so thank you.
phil labonte
Thank you.
tim pool
And you're watching The Uncensored Show.
You can call in if you're a member.
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That was always allowed.
All right, we'll grab some more.
Shot of Jammo.
Should I compromise my values and get a Planet Fitness membership to help my overweight friend get in shape or keep my values and not give Planet Fitness money?
phil labonte
Don't give Planet Fitness money if I avoid it.
I mean, look, I say that, but I do have a Planet Fitness membership because I travel a lot.
Pardon me?
ned ryun
Why wouldn't you join?
Why is this a moral question?
phil labonte
Super woke.
That and also because they're the...
libby emmons
You let fellas in the ladies' rooms.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
They do.
But more than that, it's not really for people that seriously want to lift the weights.
tim pool
They have a lunk alarm.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
That you can spin the thing and it goes...
Or something like that.
phil labonte
Yeah, I've never heard one go off, but if you're grunting or making noise when you're lifting weights, they'll go ahead and embarrass you and try and shame you.
Because the argument is we don't want this to be where the meatheads lift weights and stuff, and so they're like, well, we want to have everybody come in here.
But really, what they want is people that aren't very serious to come in.
tim pool
Because you sign up for a membership and never come back, which means the wear and tear on them.
And you can't cancel.
libby emmons
It's very hard to cancel gym membership.
unidentified
Oh, really?
tim pool
Well, because when you sign up, it says a bunch of stuff about, like...
ned ryun
I've never joined a gym.
tim pool
Yeah, it says, like, you're signing up for two years, and if you cancel, we'll still charge you.
ned ryun
I take any money I would have used on a gym membership, and I just buy my equipment for my basement.
libby emmons
I was really pissed during COVID. That's a good business.
tim pool
I'm going to open a gym.
libby emmons
I had a gym membership, and I went to the gym, like, every day, and then during COVID, they were like, you have to work out in a mask, and I was like, I can't.
And they had all these dividers.
And I was like, whenever I come here, there's no space for me.
And you're making me wear a mask.
You need to let me out of this contract.
And they wouldn't.
It was infuriating.
They changed the terms of the deal and then didn't let me stop paying.
ned ryun
Depending on the gym, you look at the monthlies over the course of a couple years.
libby emmons
It was New York Sports Club.
ned ryun
But it adds up.
And then you just go, I have that money to be able to invest in a certain amount of equipment.
tim pool
Do you guys ever see that video where the woman's doing the leg press?
And then her feet go all the way out?
phil labonte
It's so gross.
libby emmons
Oh, dear God.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
I do what you do.
I have a treadmill.
I have a little exercise bike.
phil labonte
Never lock your knees.
libby emmons
Yeah.
phil labonte
Ever.
libby emmons
Why would you ever do that?
phil labonte
Bad decisions?
Bad decisions.
libby emmons
I have a yoga mat.
Yeah, I do stuff at my head.
tim pool
Let's see.
What have we here?
Not a banned account says undocumented Americans are Americans too.
phil labonte
No.
ned ryun
No.
What do you mean undocumented Americans?
tim pool
Do you remember when they were trying to do the whole undocumented citizens thing?
ned ryun
Yeah.
They always try.
tim pool
They started saying undocumented citizen because then it means why can't citizens vote?
ned ryun
Right.
tim pool
Undocumented citizens.
ned ryun
Right.
It's awesome antics to try and achieve what they want.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ned ryun
There's no such thing as an undocumented.
serge du preez
No, it was just in regard to the gyms.
I think the Federal Trade Commission did something good for once.
They said that in April 2025, gyms and other businesses were required to make an easy-to-cancel policy in order to stop this from happening, essentially get someone in the door and then never let them leave.
tim pool
Yeah, but I don't completely disagree.
The issue is...
People go to the gym and say, I want to sign up for this gym.
And the gym's just like, okay, well, there's like a capacity on how many people could be at any time at once.
So if you sign up, are you seriously going to be signing up?
And they go, sure, and then they never show up again.
So, sure, some of the gyms are like, you know, we're going to try and squeeze pennies out of you.
I think it's largely, as a business, you're like, if everybody just came in...
And signed up and then left.
We couldn't function as a business.
So if you're signing up, you're signing up for six months.
ned ryun
Yeah, I was going to say, you have to have like a minimum six months.
And after that, if they want to cancel, they cancel.
tim pool
Yeah.
ned ryun
You can't actually build a revenue stream that's consistent as a business if you don't have some commitment.
tim pool
And everybody signs up January 3rd and then never shows up again.
ned ryun
What are they called?
Quitting day?
I think it's like second Friday.
There's something called Quitters Day.
No, I think it's sometime like second Friday or second Saturday in January.
Like, people last for a couple weeks.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Quitter's Day.
ned ryun
Yeah.
tim pool
That was the 10th.
ned ryun
10th.
phil labonte
Second Friday of January, every each year marking day when many people abandon their New Year's resolution.
tim pool
I don't even have a resolution.
ned ryun
That's pretty pathetic when you think about it.
unidentified
It's nuts.
ned ryun
You don't make it past January 10th.
libby emmons
It's sort of dumb to make a New Year's resolution.
Like, if you are resolved to do something different with your life, start now.
Like, just start now.
ned ryun
Just do it now.
Just do it.
libby emmons
Right now.
Wait, is that a thing?
What's that from?
I've heard that before.
phil labonte
The thing about that phrase and stuff is people are really, really good at saying, I'm going to do this.
And what happens is you get the same dopamine hit about...
From talking about the thing you want to do as you do from actually going and doing something.
Swear to God, that's why people do it.
That's why there's so many people that are like, oh, I'm going to do this.
You'll talk about it forever.
Don't tell people, and you don't need to prepare, blah, blah, blah.
Just go start.
Starting is the most important.
ned ryun
Is it 21 days to create a habit?
phil labonte
Yes, 21 days.
And that's because there's actual physical pathways in your brain that actually have to break down.
ned ryun
Yeah, but then also your body becomes addicted.
To the process and to the dopamine, everything that's released by working out, that's why I'm like, if you can do it for 21 days, there are good addictions in life, and that's one of them, where you have to, your body craves it.
So, you have to go 21 days.
libby emmons
Yeah, if I don't work out for a couple days or something, my body feels all tense and my legs feel bad.
It's terrible.
ned ryun
And I'm a better person for it.
tim pool
Alright, Schlip says, did you guys see the bill to repeal the NFA? Doesn't someone introduce that, like, all the time, though?
libby emmons
It's the NFA. National Firearms Act.
phil labonte
It's what makes short-barrel rifles, short-barrel shotguns, and suppressors federally regulated.
ned ryun
By the way, though, did you see the news report today?
There's 490 million privately owned guns in this country.
phil labonte
Get those numbers up.
tim pool
As are rookie numbers.
ned ryun
They are rookie.
I say this is a nice start.
To buy more guns and ammo, we should hit 500 million on July 4th.
tim pool
We're talking about 1.5 guns per person, if not even, 1.3?
ned ryun
I think it's basically in the hands of like 100 to 110 million.
I think is what it...
tim pool
I think I own tattoos.
libby emmons
Once you get one, you just can't stop getting them.
tim pool
I think I own probably like 50-something with that.
ned ryun
Then you start building them.
tim pool
Haven't done that.
ned ryun
Oh, it's fun.
libby emmons
You're going to get a 3D printer?
phil labonte
Most of the...
tim pool
I wanted to build a Makarov carbine.
ned ryun
Yeah.
tim pool
Because a funny thing happened when Luke came over and then he was telling me ammo prices are going up so you should stock up with some 9mm.
And then I just went on ammo.com and just clicked 9mm and I just clicked the button a bunch.
And when it showed up, it was Makarov and Soviet bullets.
I think 3x18.
ned ryun
Yeah, you just gotta...
tim pool
And so Luke and I looked at him and they were like, it's written in Cyrillic.
And we were like, yeah, this is wrong.
And then Ammo.com emails me and they were like, we realize you probably weren't intending to buy Makarov at that scale.
And I was like, you are correct, but it's okay.
I want to keep them.
And so I was just like, we just need to make a weapon that uses them.
ned ryun
AR-9.
libby emmons
Did you make the weapon?
tim pool
Is that what uses them?
No.
ned ryun
Yeah, AR-9s are awesome.
tim pool
No, there's something called like a PA, what is it?
PA something?
ned ryun
I don't know.
You should either build or buy an AR-9.
It sounds like a souped-up.22.
It has the same tiny bit more kick than a.22.
tim pool
PA-63, was that it?
ned ryun
They're a fun gun.
AR-9s.
tim pool
AR-9s.
I've got two Makarov handguns.
They're Soviet.
I think it's the PA-63.
Is that what it is?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Let me check.
phil labonte
I'm looking at the...
tim pool
Yep.
Yep, I got two of those, and it's funny because...
It is like miserably bad.
They're ergonomic for the right hand only.
ned ryun
It looks miserably bad.
tim pool
It's miserably bad.
It bites your hand.
It hurts.
And wearing a glove don't help.
When we would go to the range, nobody would want to use it.
And I'm like, well, let's think about the Soviets.
They didn't care if it hurt.
They just cared that it worked.
Cheap gun.
But the funny thing is it's right hand ergonomic.
ned ryun
One of my funny stories is my wife one year gave me a gift certificate to a local gun shop.
Because I really wanted to get a nice hunting over-under shotgun.
And I went into the store and he's like, we don't have any.
And he's like, right now it's probably going to be on back order.
And then I saw a semi-auto MK1919 Assault 12-gauge shotgun.
I was like, well, that looks fun.
I'll buy that instead.
Came home and I'm always like, I gave you a certificate to get a nice hunting shotgun and you come home with this?
I'm like, yeah.
So then I went next level and bought a 20-round drum for it.
It's a great gun.
MKA-1919.
tim pool
It's been a while since I went to the range of these.
9x18, is that what it is?
9x18, why did I say 3?
phil labonte
Yeah, 9x18.
tim pool
I've got, it's the 410 shotgun that's AK style.
Do you know what it's called?
ned ryun
I don't.
tim pool
It's been a while since.
phil labonte
410?
Yeah.
tim pool
And I got a 100 round drum on it.
ned ryun
Are you serious?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Those are 410. So I'll sometimes go into the- Sega?
ned ryun
I have a shooting range.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it is.
Huh.
ned ryun
And I'll just load up the 20-round drum for the shotgun and just...
You just unload it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a 410 Sega, I think.
phil labonte
Sega is...
They make AK-style shotguns in 410. And I got 100...
tim pool
I think it's a 100-round 410 drum.
It's huge.
And it's silly.
And it's so much fun.
ned ryun
Dude, they're heavy.
When you fully load up those drums...
It's heavy.
It's a heavy gun.
tim pool
Fun.
ned ryun
Yes.
tim pool
And then I got a...
What, a KSG-25 is what it is?
phil labonte
I've got a lot of guns, Tim.
tim pool
I do.
I've got a Barrett.
Luke was trying to get me to buy a Gatling, like a miniature 9mm Gatling gun, and I was like, Luke, this is too much.
It's too money.
phil labonte
You need to buy at least one M16 fully auto rifle.
You can buy them.
They're available.
It's going to cost you like 40, 50 grand for a good one, but you should buy one.
tim pool
Yeah, but you need to stamp and all that.
It takes forever.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, but it does.
But, I mean, you've got time.
tim pool
I don't have time.
phil labonte
No, all you do is fill out the paperwork, and then they do all the stuff.
You don't have to.
It's not like you have to jump through.
tim pool
The paperwork's crazy.
phil labonte
It is a lot of paperwork.
tim pool
I don't have time.
Seriously.
They do it on purpose.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
As people, you can't do it.
All right.
Where are we at?
Where are we at?
We'll grab a couple more Super Chats here.
Let's jump all the way down.
What do we got?
phil labonte
I'm going to keep sending you.
tim pool
Big 7588 says, so many guns lost overboard every year.
Indeed.
One of my favorites is a 22 single action revolver.
That's a nice one.
Little itty bitty.
Cowboy gun.
All right, let's see.
We'll grab one more.
BATM says, Latin mass Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity, Eastern or otherwise, something with ancient meaning, what we rally behind can't be insubstantial.
libby emmons
Correct.
I like that.
phil labonte
I've been to Latin mass.
tim pool
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Ned, do you want to shout anything out?
ned ryun
Yeah, can I shout out the new book?
American Leviathan, folks.
Great book.
I just wrote it.
It came out in September.
Birth of the Administrative State.
And progressive authoritarianism, if you really want to know what's going on in D.C. today and understand the dynamics and the conflict, you've got to read American Leviathan.
phil labonte
Good stuff.
unidentified
Cool.
libby emmons
I've got a copy.
Thanks for my copy.
unidentified
Yeah, there you go.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm at The Post Millennial, and you can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons.
And if you have comments or story tips or anything like that, you could email me at liberty at thepm.news.
Libby isn't short for Liberty, but that would be cool.
phil labonte
Awesome.
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tim pool
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