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tim pool
Thank you.
MSNBC is claiming it's unaware that the Harris campaign had gifted or I shouldn't say gifted.
We'll try to be careful.
But given five hundred thousand dollars to an organization run or founded by Al Sharpton ahead of their friendly interview.
Apparently, she gave Oprah Winfrey Studios a million dollars and they claimed that was just for production, just for production.
Uh huh.
That's how it works.
And then when you pay a company for production, portions of that go to the production company as profit, I'd imagine.
Or at any rate, it's paying the salaries at any rate.
It's a conflict of interest to have someone interview and to pay their costs.
Can't send anybody surprised.
Kamala Harris put out a statement recently, and she looks like she aged 10 years overnight.
It's kind of wild.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, they're explaining all the different reasons why they didn't go on the Joe Rogan podcast, and they have a lot of excuses.
Yeah, we didn't have time.
We really wanted to do it, but we couldn't.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, there's a whole bunch of other stories.
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And we had that story about tariffs the other day.
Within a couple hours, Trudeau calls Trump to negotiate.
And now the Mexican president is saying the caravans will not be reaching the United States.
So looks like Donald Trump's not even in office, but already he's doing very well.
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We actually have a decent amount considering, and I'm actually surprised.
Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Nick Sorter.
nick sortor
Appreciate you having me again, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
unidentified
What do you do?
nick sortor
Good stuff.
So, I'm an on-the-ground guy.
I love to give politicians a lot of crap.
That's actually why I was in the D.C. area.
I decided to come on by to Timcast tonight.
And it seems like there's a lot of crap to give them for, especially right now.
And just on the ride over here, looking at the video, I saw the first thing I walked into the studio, I see Kamala Harris and her drug-fueled whatever up on the screen in here.
And I was amazed.
She's back on the grid, apparently.
tim pool
I had to read a quote earlier today from Kamala Harris.
And it's just, she says one thing with 800 words, and I'm just...
nick sortor
Something you can say with 10. You know, she draws it out.
phil labonte
I don't know.
nick sortor
Does she think it sounds more intelligent?
Like, what is it?
Why does she feel like she has to draw it out that way?
tim pool
Fluff and patter?
Fill time, I guess?
I don't know.
But it'll be fun.
Thanks for hanging out, man.
We'll talk about it.
We got Brett hanging out.
brett dasovic
What's going on, guys?
Yes, Brett here.
I host Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday.
Normally, 3 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time.
But we actually had our Thanksgiving Day special today.
So after you watch this episode tonight, you should go check that out.
phil labonte
Yes, you should.
I am Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Tim?
tim pool
Today, Kellen's pressing the buttons.
phil labonte
Oh, there we go.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm over here in the corner pushing buttons.
Let's get started.
phil labonte
You're not averse to talking and saying hi?
unidentified
I'll talk a little bit.
I'll talk a little bit.
tim pool
Come on.
We got the story from Fox News.
MSNBC was unaware the Harris campaign gave $500,000 to Al Sharpton's group ahead of a friendly interview.
The Harris campaign gave two $250,000 donations to Sharpton's non-profit.
Holy crap.
So it was to the National Action Network, which is, I guess it's his non-profit.
That's a lot of money.
And boy, is that a massive conflict of interest.
nick sortor
Is he going to use it to pay his taxes now?
phil labonte
No.
unidentified
No?
nick sortor
No.
phil labonte
And he's not going to give it to anybody that got hurt in the riot that he stirred up in the 80s either.
tim pool
Here's the quote.
Today is your birthday, he said.
We all reflect on our birthdays, what our life would mean.
You call me on my birthday.
Thanks again.
What do you want 50 years from now, history, to say about Kamala Harris?
Before I read this, let me just ask you.
Phil, what do you want people to say about you 50 years from now?
phil labonte
That they enjoyed some of the music that I made and they enjoyed some of the conversations that I've had.
tim pool
Okay.
Let me try and convert that into Kamala E's.
I hope that 50 years from now, there are people who look back at the past 50 years and think about how long 50 years has been, and the work that I have done over 50 years is really important, and that the conversations we had in the span of that 50 years, as long as I was around, is something that 50 years is worth.
Okay, she said, I hope...
Okay, here's the quote.
I hope that, and I really do work that, my life will have proven to have been a life that is about fighting for people, fighting for the dignity of people.
Could she not have just said...
When he asks, 50 years from now, what do you want people to say about you?
That I fought for people.
phil labonte
Kamala Harris is a...
She's a wordsmith.
tim pool
I don't know if wordsmith is the right way to describe it, but...
unidentified
She beats the shit out of words.
brett dasovic
She's a word abuser.
nick sortor
Yeah, but it sounds like she spent all this time in Hawaii last week.
She was there for a week, came back looking about at least 10 years older, which, you know, is really impressive.
phil labonte
Yeah, Hawaii is very relaxing.
nick sortor
Right, well, except for when you're there for the reasons that I was there.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, you were there.
nick sortor
But anyway, she goes out there, she comes back, and apparently learned nothing.
Nobody learned anything while they were out there.
She didn't learn how to speak.
phil labonte
Why would she?
tim pool
So they go on to mention that she paid Oprah's company a million, was it a million dollars, right?
nick sortor
Actually, I believe it came out that it's now 1.5.
tim pool
It says the campaign made two $500,000 payments to Oprah Winfrey's Oprah Productions.
nick sortor
And then the full price of the event was closer to 2.5.
tim pool
The full price of the event was closer to 2.5.
So, let me just, you know, I know this for the rabble.
As the MSNBC and the New York Times might describe them, the rabble are completely unaware of how media works and why this is such a big deal.
If you are going to be interviewed, especially if you are a political individual, politician or running for office, you cannot pay in any way to...
I'll tell you a story.
I had a journalist come to my office a long time ago and I said, we have drinks?
And he goes, oh no, I can't accept anything.
I said, okay.
Journalist ethics for these companies, they can't accept gifts in any degree or any kind or anything.
You can't even give them a soda.
I'm not kidding.
They say, I can't accept something from you.
It's a conflict of interest.
We're going to tell this story.
And so this is literally Oprah and Al Sharpton getting...
What?
$500,000 or a million bucks?
brett dasovic
For the friendly interview.
That's the part that I found the most interesting about that is using the term friendly.
So I was actually talking about it earlier because there was like a new poll that came out today from, it was posted on Breitbart that was talking about all of the celebrities that got money or that were involved in the campaign, the Beyonce's, the Taylor Swift's, whether it's just posting on social media or not.
And you think about $500,000, a million dollars for a friendly interview.
But the thing is, is that's not what people want.
What people want now is a three-hour Raw interview because that takes risk, right?
So if she's going to go to Oprah or she's going to go and do an interview with Al Sharpton, what she's paying for is not just production or we would hope it wouldn't be considered just production.
It's because they're people that you know are going to be positive towards your message and what you're talking about.
But it costs you nothing to go on Joe Rogan and speak for three hours.
nick sortor
And Joe Rogan's not using a teleprompter.
Trump isn't using a teleprompter.
brett dasovic
And what people want is the authenticity that comes from that interview.
It costs you less.
It gains you more ground.
But the problem is, you actually have to be coherent when you talk.
tim pool
Let me throw another thing about this.
They're trying to say that this is just covering production costs, like she was putting on a show or whatever.
nick sortor
Two and a half million dollars.
tim pool
I mean, either way, you can't do that.
It's a conflict of interest for these media personalities and these news outlets.
But another way to look at it is, let's say, legitimately, that money just goes to cover the costs of that event.
nick sortor
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Let's say Brett runs a media company.
He's eight months into the year, and he's got a $1 million profit.
And along comes a politician who says, I want to do an interview and a big show.
You will have me.
Good luck.
He says, man, it's going to cost me a million dollars to put this show on.
That's all my profit for the year.
I don't want to do it.
Then the politician says, we'll cover the cost.
And they go, okay, now I'll do it.
Basically what's happening is you are still paying them to do the event.
They can just assign the money for that event, which is in excess of the money they already have.
So let me put it this way.
Brett says, okay, I'll do the show, takes his million-dollar profit, invests it in the show, and then a month later gets paid out a million dollars.
That should technically be his profit, but he just assigns that to cost and says, no, no, no, no, it just costs.
My money came from something else.
nick sortor
You think you could have done that?
You watched that interview, I'm assuming, right?
Or at least parts of it, because, I mean, I don't think I could get through that entire interview either, but two and a half million dollars, do you think you could have done that for two and a half million dollars?
tim pool
How much was Oprah's fee?
nick sortor
That's what I'm saying.
So you see that interview on the street with her where TMZ or somebody comes up to her and asks her, hey, did you get paid a million dollars?
And she says very clearly, I didn't get paid anything.
No, because the production company that is a single member LLC that you are the sole member of got paid two and a half million dollars.
So you didn't get paid anything.
tim pool
I want to give a shout out to this super chatter.
Jessie Mann says she talks like she is trying to hit the 5k word minimum on a high school paper.
Ha!
The Democrats are just like, Kamala, whatever you do, we need at least a thousand words per speech.
And she's like, okay.
And she's like counting in her head like, one, two.
phil labonte
Just a running total going, ding, ding, ding.
tim pool
Take a look at this video.
Savannah Hernandez posted this saying, damn, this woman has aged 10 years in like two weeks.
Seriously.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but look at this.
brett dasovic
The lighting isn't doing her any favors either.
kamala harris
Don't you ever let anybody take your power from you.
nick sortor
Don't let anybody do it.
unidentified
You have the same power that you did before November.
phil labonte
She's drunk.
tim pool
She's got to be drunk.
unidentified
And you have the same purpose that you did.
brett dasovic
Oh, those eyes are so low.
unidentified
And you have the same ability to engage and inspire.
kamala harris
So don't ever let anybody or any circumstance take your power from you.
nick sortor
Yeah, this sounds like every old woman that I've sat next to at the bar that's trying to give me a life lesson.
Like, this is exactly what they sound like.
tim pool
Let's just chill real quick.
Just very quickly.
I am not trying to be mean.
You know, she legit sounds plastered.
phil labonte
Yes.
And this is a gift.
brett dasovic
The words are soft as she finishes talking.
That's the hallmark of this.
phil labonte
This is a gift.
This is a gift for us.
This is...
This is her apology for wasting our time, and this is a gift.
She's like, here, enjoy the memes that will come from you.
nick sortor
But she doesn't have any scriptwriters anymore.
She doesn't have anybody doing any production work because she's $20 million in debt.
tim pool
I gotta push back on that.
Okay, you're dead.
I'm gonna have to ask you.
You have a credit card?
nick sortor
Do I have a credit card?
I do, yes.
tim pool
Do you have any money?
Do you have a debt on it?
nick sortor
I do not.
tim pool
So it's all paid off?
nick sortor
All paid off.
tim pool
Okay.
Do you have a car loan?
nick sortor
No.
tim pool
A mortgage?
nick sortor
No.
I know what you're trying to do here.
tim pool
Do you have rent?
Do you owe anybody money?
nick sortor
At the moment, I don't.
But I know exactly what you're talking about.
tim pool
That doesn't mean you have no money.
nick sortor
How does she pay it off?
I know it doesn't mean that, but she's got to pay it at some point, right?
She owes people $20 million.
Where is she going to get that money from?
She's going to get it from people that she's emailing now.
tim pool
Unless she still has $30 million in her account.
brett dasovic
Is that possible?
Are those financials available?
tim pool
I don't know.
nick sortor
That's not what it says on the FEC report, but I don't know.
tim pool
How much does the FEC report say she has in holdings?
nick sortor
So the FEC report, I didn't see any cash on hand on the FEC reports.
All you see is because...
But the problem is you also have so many other entities.
You have the PACs, you have the Super PACs, you have the Kamala Fight Fund, and then you also have the Kamala Harris for President Fund.
So you have all these different funds.
You don't really know, but at this point, for the past two reports that she's filed, because you have to file a 15-day post, and then also there's going to be a 30-day post.
So we're going to see very shortly if she actually still has that debt moved.
Is there less debt?
I don't know, but how do you end?
tim pool
You've got to think about it.
They are fundraising.
nick sortor
They start up...
They're fundraising for a false promise.
tim pool
For a recount.
unidentified
Right.
nick sortor
I see that as a false promise.
tim pool
So they fundraise for a recount, and the argument from the press was that it's for other recounts in Congress or something to that effect.
But when I saw the statement...
nick sortor
There's a disclaimer on the bottom.
It tells you what it's for.
tim pool
Well, what I saw initially from their announcement of a fundraiser, it just said recount fundraiser.
It didn't say anything about any other campaigns.
nick sortor
Yeah.
I mean, if you remember back in 2020 when Trump was fundraising and stuff, after the 2020 election, there was also a thing there too where the Democrats were hitting him because like 3% of it were going to paying back campaign debt.
But in this case, the percentage is a lot higher for going to pay back campaign debt because that's what it's actually for.
But you even have to think about, okay, if you have $1.5 billion in cash on hand, say we get to the 30-day mark and they still have massive amounts of debt.
Say they've paid down $5 million in debt.
What does that do for the Democrat Party at that point?
Because they're on the hook for it.
Somebody's got to pay for that.
tim pool
No.
nick sortor
Why not?
They're just going to file for bankruptcy and then move on?
tim pool
The campaign is going to cease to exist.
nick sortor
Okay, but who's going to give $20 million of credit to the Democrat candidates at this point?
tim pool
Every single company.
nick sortor
They typically do pay back.
I mean, they typically end up doing that.
tim pool
if an entity has a million dollars and you know and you see in the press and everyone knows they have a million dollars and let's say Kamala says, we want to hire a production company, it's a hundred grand.
They say, okay, it's 10,000 or it's 25,000 down.
And then you got to pay the next half once on the day of.
And then we have like a, you know, you have two weeks to pay the rest.
So likely a lot of this debt is not just, they took out a credit line for a million bucks and then never paid them anything.
They likely made down payments and semi-payments and still owe them remaining on the books.
It's probably a bunch of different entities they owe partial each to.
So these companies each see them paying a sum.
It's not like someone one day went to an organization that was completely broke and said, we'll extend you a $20 million line of credit.
It's probably what's going to happen in the future is a Democratic campaign is going to raise a billion dollars and everyone's going to beg to work with them because they get paid stupid amounts of money to work on these campaigns.
And then if the company ends up going in debt, everybody expects this.
They're like, if she wins, we're good.
If she loses, we're in trouble.
nick sortor
Yeah, but at what point do you look at this from the standpoint of, okay, do you really want this person in control of the federal budget?
At the end of the day, even if there's still cash on hand to pay off that $20 million in debt, I don't know why you wouldn't just pay it.
tim pool
But again, I'll push back on that a little bit.
They argue that Donald Trump has several bankruptcies, therefore he shouldn't be in charge of the federal budget.
But it's like, look, if the Harris campaign and Democrats did mismanage money, OK, fine.
But everyone keeps saying, ha ha, she's $20 million in debt.
And I'm like, Donald Trump, I think, has more debt than she does.
I think Donald Trump's debt is substantially higher.
nick sortor
He's got assets to back.
tim pool
The question is, what are Kamala Harris's campaign's assets?
But look at it.
nick sortor
$1.5 billion over a three-month period.
She managed to blow through that and still get blown out of water in the election.
That would be my counterargument to that.
Clearly, she can't manage money.
They have no idea how to use it effectively.
They're going to pay Beyonce, what, $10 million or whatever, millions of dollars to Oprah.
And it didn't move the needle.
And if it did move the needle, she was down in the 20-point range.
And they managed to bring it up a little bit.
tim pool
You can't buy authenticity.
nick sortor
You cannot buy authenticity.
phil labonte
I had a point and I lost it.
brett dasovic
The other thing about it is, for her, the number one way that a politician like her can end up making her money back after an election like this is to go give really, really overpriced speeches, but she can't talk!
nick sortor
Nobody wants to hire her for a speech!
brett dasovic
Maybe if she was charging per word, then it might do really, really well.
But otherwise...
phil labonte
When you're talking about managing money and stuff like that, Congress does the management of the money anyway, so it doesn't really matter if she does.
tim pool
Let's talk about the current state of the Democratic Party.
We got this story from the Post Millennial.
DNC union launches GoFundMe after staff cut without severance.
Last week, two-thirds of the DNC staff was laid off with little notice and no severance.
The GoFundMe page states...
Hold on, hold on.
I got questions about this.
This is a team fundraiser, Jill Brownfield and 10 others organizing this, saying, as such, we are creating a relief fund which will directly aid staff members, including single parents.
This is a fundraiser with 17,891.
I have to imagine that this is verified by GoFundMe because they're not going to allow someone to fraudulently raise money.
But let's just understand what this means.
If it is true that the DNC laid off two-thirds of its staff, The implications for the midterms and for 2028 is massive.
nick sortor
So do you still believe they have cash on hand?
tim pool
The DNC is different from the Harris candidates.
nick sortor
No, I understand that.
So this is the DNC union, though.
This is the staff union that has to raise the money for it.
tim pool
But the point is this.
The DNC laid off two-thirds of their staff.
nick sortor
That were promised that they would have work until the end of the year.
tim pool
Wow, really?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So the DNC actually nuked 66% of the staff.
unidentified
Yes.
nick sortor
I think it got to the point where – and it was the same for the Harris campaign.
They were also win or lose.
They were promised they would be paid until the end of the year.
That is – that's how – I've worked in politics for several years now.
I sort of understand how this works at this point.
You can do that in state politics.
Even if you have a losing campaign, the idea is you still pay those people.
You can't cut them off at the last second and expect them to survive.
I mean these are just low-level staffers.
tim pool
I don't care.
nick sortor
No, I don't care either.
tim pool
I mean, these people are either completely delusional or they're liars, so I have no sympathy whatsoever, and I wouldn't give them a penny if they begged.
They got scammed, though.
I think it's...
I don't care.
I don't care.
You don't get to join a group of bank robbers and go, oh no, they tricked me.
nick sortor
Right.
tim pool
I agree.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
Come on.
These people, they've been supporting this corrupt machine and propping up a candidate, Kamala Harris, who didn't get elected, who was put in place.
They lied about it every step of the way.
They covered up that Joe Biden's brain was fried.
These people deserve nothing.
nick sortor
Absolutely.
tim pool
And I am glad they got laid off.
But my point is, holy crap, the DNC just nuked two-thirds of their staff.
Is that normal?
nick sortor
I have never heard of it.
Not even...
It didn't happen in 2020 after, you know...
The Democrats are done!
phil labonte
The Democrats have really done a lot of damage to their brand overall.
Look, they'll sit there and they say democracy, but they, you know, snow-jobbed Bernie for Hillary.
Then Biden was...
Questionably, he won the primary allegedly, but he did it by promising both Warren and Buttigieg cushy jobs and stuff.
And then the situation with Biden and Harris, they haven't had a legitimate primary in the past three elections.
And then they talk about, oh, our democracy, etc.
And even though Donald Trump clearly won with the entire country shifting right, not only did he win the Electoral College and the popular vote, but there was massive gains for Republicans in California.
The whole country shifted right.
tim pool
The real Grand Valley.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it's insane the amount of...
The amount of right swing that was ubiquitous across the whole country, in the House, the Senate, and the presidency.
And there are people that still say, oh, well, you know, our democracy is in danger.
It's like, you fools!
If our democracy is in danger, you are the danger!
brett dasovic
Yeah, I don't give them the benefit of the doubt anymore.
I used to assume that the people who would talk about democracy without understanding what they did to Bernie in 2016, trying to get somebody elected who didn't win a single delegate ever at all.
I used to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I don't anymore.
If you're somebody who screams about democracy with a capital D all the time now, I just assume you're evil.
phil labonte
The way that they talk about democracy is reminiscent of the way that Mao used the term democracy in China.
It was their democracy.
People that were not members of the Communist Party were not part of their democracy.
Of course there was no democracy in Mao's China, but people that were considered rightists or on the right, they were all excluded.
They weren't talking about them.
tim pool
Whenever you hear a Democrat say democracy, replace it with the word revolution.
nick sortor
Right.
Well, and nobody's buying it anymore.
Actually, you saw Elon replace the word the other day.
He said, instead of threat to democracy, we're threats to bureaucracy, which I think is much more accurate.
That is the real threat here.
tim pool
I think they mean revolution.
Which is fine with me.
So when you look at, like, Venezuela, what do they say?
They say this person is a threat to the revolution.
And even though that revolution happened 20 years ago, they still refer to it as now, like it's an ongoing thing.
Why?
Because the revolution will never end.
The revolution has to take over and then excise these people from the population, have to maintain the threat to control everybody.
So imagine a Democrat saying, Donald Trump is a great threat to our democracy.
Donald Trump is a great threat to our revolution.
They're communist, Marxist ideologies or whatever it is.
And guess what?
They're done.
They're nuking staff.
You've got liberals on television jumping ship like scared rats.
It's funny to watch.
All of a sudden, Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, and many others.
nick sortor
You're talking to Cenk from TYT on XCO. I mean, the guy is getting more and more red.
Oh, really?
unidentified
Oh, that's awesome.
nick sortor
I can't wait for that.
tim pool
We've had him on before.
I'm excited.
I think Anna's a bit more genuine, but I'll give Cenk an opportunity to come around because we need people like him to at least open the door for all of his audience to see what's really going on.
I'll take it.
nick sortor
Yeah, and I will say just on this topic one more time real quick, I don't know if you heard about this today, but there was a phone call between the DNC and donors today that are up in arms over what they just see here.
They see this GoFundMe, they see the fact that the campaign is just totally out of money.
What do you spend $1.5 billion on in three months?
I mean, that is a record by far, and it's not even close, okay?
unidentified
Yeah.
nick sortor
And now they're saying that they had to admit, they were forced to admit, that not a single poll that they had, not a single internal poll ever had her leading Donald Trump.
phil labonte
Not one.
I just saw that myself.
You're 100% right.
And also, the Democrats are the ones that are going to constantly scream about money in politics.
Donald Trump won on something like a third of the money that the Harris campaign had.
nick sortor
I think it was $600 million, I think it was total.
So two-thirds?
In two years.
phil labonte
Yeah, in two years.
And the Harris campaign had a billion dollars, never mind the PACs, never mind all of the other stuff, because she was the only candidate that could take the money that was given to the Biden campaign and actually continue when he stepped down or whatever you want to call it.
The Democrats would still swear up and down that money in politics is a bad thing.
Barack Obama spent a billion dollars.
Hillary Clinton spent a billion dollars.
And Kamala Harris, in three months or whatever, spent a billion dollars.
And still, Donald Trump beat two of them.
tim pool
You know what this is with Democrats right now?
It's like a bunch of high school kids, and they're sitting in the room, and they're not cool.
They're losers, and they don't know what's popular.
And so they're just going like, oh, I love that new band.
And then the cool kids are like, the band sucks.
Like, yeah, it sucks.
I've always hated that band.
So when you look at how these media personalities are now reacting, all of a sudden they're waking up to what's going on.
It's because they saw the popular vote count.
I will add to this.
Did you guys know that Hillary Clinton never won the popular vote?
phil labonte
Oh, really?
tim pool
Well, the Democrats are arguing Trump didn't win the popular vote because he's dipped below 50%.
And I'm like, that's funny.
Hillary Clinton had 48.2.
So Hillary Clinton, they claimed on the popular vote by 3 million for nearly 10 years.
And now they're claiming Trump didn't because he's slightly below 50%.
He's actually at 50%.
But hate to break it to you.
He won the popular vote.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's just I was talking to a friend of mine.
That's that's just semantic cope.
nick sortor
At this point, at what point do we stop?
At what point are we like, okay, you know what?
These are the results.
We're not going to keep counting.
You'll get California.
Still count.
Still, to this day, how many weeks after the election, still counting ballots in California?
tim pool
That's ridiculous.
They count faster in India.
phil labonte
Yeah.
That's totally ridiculous.
nick sortor
They've got one point-something billion people there.
It's wild.
tim pool
And in China.
nick sortor
China.
tim pool
They count much faster.
phil labonte
Yeah, they do.
And another thing is like the- She is just like, I counted it.
tim pool
That's for me.
nick sortor
99% for some reason.
phil labonte
The state of Florida made massive changes after 2000 when there was the whole hanging chads, etc.
And since then, they have had no issues with counting their ballots.
They finished counting the ballots two hours and 45 minutes after the polls closed in Florida.
And they've offered help to any state that wants.
Any state, they're like, we will show you.
Come take a look at how we do our stuff.
You're more than welcome.
You don't have to do the exact same thing.
You know, the things are going to be different from state to state, and maybe there's conditions that are different in your state than ours, but we'll come and help you out, and no one's taking them up on their offer, particularly the states like California that are still counting ballots.
And the reason is because they don't want to actually count ballots quickly and accurately.
They want that fuzziness, they want that squishiness, because then they can cheat.
tim pool
I pulled up India's election system.
And it's like, date of counting votes, 4th of June.
They get one day for 984 million votes.
I'm going to keep factoring this because I'm sure someone's going to be like, no, Tim, you don't understand.
It's like, okay, fine, let me read about it.
nick sortor
There's that one race in California right now where all of a sudden the seat is looking like it's going to flip.
Now, all of a sudden, thousands of votes difference, this congressional seat in California, and they keep counting the votes, and they're counting like a total of like 180 a day.
And I'm like, what are you doing all day?
You can only count 180 ballots a day.
Somebody in the chat needs to do the math for me here.
tim pool
India counts all of its votes, which is 968 million eligible voters.
So let's see.
They say 642 million voters participated.
It took them one day.
One day.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
nick sortor
So congratulations, America.
phil labonte
It is a choice.
It is not something that's impossible to do.
It is a policy choice by Democrat states, because you don't see this kind of stuff happening in red states.
It's an actual policy choice.
nick sortor
They say, oh, we have to do it.
We have to take this long to count.
We can only count 120 ballots a day because democracy.
Somebody like Ron DeSantis, he's like, okay, we're an open book down here.
Come and audit the elections in Florida.
We do it in one day, and we get it right.
You guys have no complaints down here.
Come and look at it.
Why can't you replicate our system?
phil labonte
Because it's a choice.
Because they don't want to be accurate and quick.
They don't want to be efficient.
They like the squishiness.
That's the only option.
brett dasovic
Also, they know that most of the eyes are off of it after the main election, right?
So after the presidential election, it gives them time for leeway, for congressional seats, for the Senate, all of those things that are just as important if we're coming right down to it.
Who controls the House?
Who controls the Senate?
That's very important, but with half of the scrutiny that goes on during the presidential election.
nick sortor
Absolutely.
And that's why these soon-to-be prisoners up there in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, thought they could get away with it by trying to flip that Senate seat back Democrat from Bob Casey.
And, hell, I mean, they were egregious about it.
I'm sure you guys talked about it on the show.
They were openly saying that they were going to violate the law.
tim pool
Oh, she walked that back, though?
She got scared.
nick sortor
Of course she did.
tim pool
You can't go on camera and admit to violating election laws.
nick sortor
No, and I don't know if you saw that.
The hearing that Scott Presler went and spoke about, he spoke at that hearing afterward and said, I'm going to take your seat from you.
I'm going to move here and I'm going to run for your seat.
tim pool
I saw Scott tweeted out the CNN story they did about him.
nick sortor
Oh yeah, they tried to get him on there.
tim pool
They called him controversial.
I'm like, what?
brett dasovic
He's got long hair.
tim pool
He's a controversial dude in politics.
nick sortor
He just got appointed to the White House press correspondent for CNN, though, didn't he?
But whatever.
tim pool
Let's talk about CNN. Let's jump to the story.
We have a funny post here from Julio Rosas.
Scott Jennings pointing out X is more ideologically balanced.
Get this.
In this clip from CNN... The far-left brain-boiled liberal mindset cannot handle the fact that X, under Elon Musk's ownership, is the most balanced politically for social media.
And the source is actually CNN. Check this out.
Let me play this clip for you first.
unidentified
I heard what you're saying about X. I saw a survey this week.
It's now the most ideologically balanced Oh, come on.
tim pool
User platform?
Scott, stop.
unidentified
Stop.
It's too early.
I just sat down.
nick sortor
I've only been here for two minutes.
tim pool
These deluded, deranged people are absolutely...
Stop.
Stop talking.
Stop talking.
Dude, let him finish his point.
harry enten
He is correct.
tim pool
You cannot say that.
Who's the source of that?
We've reported it on this network.
unidentified
It's not accurate, and you know it.
tim pool
You know what?
nick sortor
So CNN isn't accurate.
tim pool
I'm going to give her that one.
CNN is not accurate.
Here you go.
harry enten
Twitter slash X is because he wanted to make it his own platform, remake it in his own image.
And I think this really gets at it.
Look at this.
The party ID among those who regularly use X slash Twitter for news.
Back in 2022, 65% of those who regularly used Twitter slash sex for news were Democrats.
Just 31% were Republicans.
Look at where we are today.
Just a completely different picture.
Now it's basically split between Democrats at 48%, Republicans at 47%.
And what I should note, Mr. Berman, is this now, this new overall makeup, matches the overall electorate far better.
tim pool
I just want to say two things.
First, bravo to Elon Musk because he did what he set out to do.
And I want to ask all of you that with this Thanksgiving coming up in just a few days, when this clip pops up on your YouTube, share it and play it with your liberal aunt, uncle, or family members and tell them dispassionately and calmly and with familial love.
Just say, listen.
Family, brother, uncle, father, whatever, you know I love you.
I need you to just watch this.
Because there's a couple things to consider.
In the first clip, they say, that's not true.
X is not politically balanced.
Scott Jennings says, it's been reported on this network to say, that's not true.
So you can conclude one of two things.
Either Elon Musk actually did bring about balance to X politically, or CNN is wrong.
Actually, any conclusion you come to a CNN is wrong.
Because they can't both be right.
nick sortor
Right.
Well, apparently, I mean, what this proves to me is that even CNN doesn't watch CNN. Looking at those numbers is very easy to see.
brett dasovic
Look, 47% up from 31%, which means that some people were unbanned and everyone from the Dem Party just went over to Blue Sky.
tim pool
Well, this is probably well before that move, but I do think it's hilarious that Democrats are like, we're going to go to threads on Instagram.
They declared victory when they did.
They were all over there, but like, this is so much more fun.
And then how long did it take?
Like three days and they were back on X? The same thing has happened on Blue Sky, where they all go over, and now Blue Sky reported something like hundreds of thousands of reports.
brett dasovic
They're all getting each other banned.
tim pool
There's child abuse images appearing on the platform and other really messed up things.
brett dasovic
Suspicious, isn't it?
tim pool
Good job, Jack Dorsey.
nick sortor
And so Blue Sky, they reported the other day and said, guys, I know we're not doing a very good job with getting back to reports because, you know, in the past 24 hours, we've had 40,000 reports.
And to put that in perspective, we've only had 300,000 in the past year.
And so the Democrats, the left, has already gone over there.
And obviously it's an echo chamber.
Nobody on the right is around Blue Sky.
And so they're all reporting each other over there.
I mean, it's wild.
brett dasovic
Which is funny too because it was better for them to, look, a lot of them are addicted to the conflict.
They need to have the engagement with other people.
That's actually good for them because it gets you out of your ideological echo chamber to be on a platform where you're consistently arguing with each other.
If the point is that you log into X and everything you see is from some right wing account, that's because that's who you're interacting with.
And it's better for your brain to be interacting with people that you disagree with rather than going over to Blue Sky or Threads and just having a bunch of people who all agree with each other all the time in between getting each other banned because somebody said one thing that they don't like.
unidentified
Yes.
nick sortor
And you know what?
This tells me right here that the Democrats, the left, learned nothing from November 5th.
Nothing.
They didn't learn a single thing.
They're going to do the same thing next time around and they're not going to take no for an answer.
phil labonte
You're right.
nick sortor
I really do hope I'm right.
tim pool
I don't know that I agree.
I mean, seeing people like Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, and Cenk Uygur start to come around now and be like, okay, that's it.
We've had enough.
We've got to call this stuff out.
nick sortor
Cenk is doing it already.
tim pool
I mean, there's a degree of people who are – so I'll put it this way.
Based on the time at which a person left the left, you can gauge their initiation, how long have they been active in politics, and their moral courage.
So some people I'll give a pass to.
And by all means, a lot of people have called out Joe Rogan for waiting until the last minute.
There's a viral video that Kyle Kalinske shared where Joe is saying a bunch of progressive things.
He's for universal basic income.
I think Joe was way on the left, and people don't understand how much he's moved over.
nick sortor
He was a Bernie bro.
tim pool
Right.
And so even a couple years ago, he was very, very Bernie bro.
And so when they see him this year before he endorses Trump saying things like, well, I like RFK better, he had already moved dramatically over.
But I also think he's trying to be moderate so he can attract a larger group.
In the end, he made that endorsement.
But as for people like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart, who waited until only after the election, you can see what they're truly scared of.
They did not have confidence in what was going to happen.
They weren't reading the news or paying attention.
So Bill Maher, for instance, well, he did call out wokeness, and I'll give him credit for that.
Jon Stewart and they both tried to play a middle-of-the-road approach.
Cenk Uygur, at the very least, had seen the writing on the wall.
Then you have a handful of other liberals who go way back, Dave Rubin being like literally one of the first to have left the left.
People who are like, hey, I'm paying attention to this stuff and these people are crazy.
I'm out of here.
You can see how long it took some of these people.
Compare Dave Rubin, and I'm going to talk to Cenk about this.
Dave Rubin's on the Young Turks network.
He leaves, starts his own thing, then he makes his way from moderate liberalism to libertarianism, and now to some type of moderate right-leaning.
I don't know that he's conservative or anything like that.
But now the Young Turks, who had attacked him relentlessly for 10 years, all of a sudden now are closer to him politically than anything else.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
nick sortor
Yeah.
And, you know, I think that you talk about Joe Rogan and where Joe Rogan was.
I think Joe Rogan genuinely had an interest in bringing Kamala Harris on there to have that three-hour conversation with her.
Because I think that would have been one of the...
That would have been a make or...
I genuinely believe this.
If she would have been able to get in front of that audience and actually deliver something to the people, that she maybe would have been able to bump herself up a couple of points.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
nick sortor
Do I think she would have won?
tim pool
No.
I'm sorry.
Continue, continue.
Finish your point.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
nick sortor
Well, I don't think she would have been able to do it, but what I think was going through Rogan's head was that would have been appealing to her people.
Her people would have told her if they truly believed that she could connect with the American people, they would have put her on Joe Rogan.
Why not?
tim pool
I gotta read.
I saw this super chat, and I fact-checked it.
Lord help us.
Do you know what a post is called on Blue Sky?
phil labonte
A bleat?
Is it a bleat?
nick sortor
A skeet?
tim pool
It's a skeet.
phil labonte
Skeet?
tim pool
I can't believe it.
phil labonte
Who came up with that?
tim pool
Considering the amount of child abuse on that platform, I'm not surprised.
I saw that and I was like, that's a joke.
And I looked it up.
Oh my god.
These people are nuts.
They are nuts.
nick sortor
I tried to go on there to see how quickly I could get banned and somebody had already taken my username so I didn't bother.
tim pool
That's another thing.
That's what the left has been doing.
They've been basically making sure Blue Sky fails.
But it's true.
They're going in and they're taking as many names as possible to stop anyone from being able to get on the platform.
unidentified
Legit.
tim pool
So while you've got these personalities being like, let's go to Blue Sky.
Activists are going on there and taking up as many names as they can to restrict the ideas of people who aren't communists, I guess.
phil labonte
Right.
tim pool
They don't want Cenk Uygur on that platform.
nick sortor
Do they not?
Is he not using it?
tim pool
I don't know if he is.
I'm saying they don't want him there.
nick sortor
What about Mark Cuban?
Didn't he go there for, you know, like 25 minutes?
How did that work out?
phil labonte
He bent the knee and kissed the fingering.
nick sortor
He bent the knee.
What do you think happened with Mark Cuban?
tim pool
So these people are moral cowards.
nick sortor
You don't think he's compromised?
tim pool
I don't know.
I mean, you've got Diddy List, you've got Epstein List, but I think mostly there's moral cowards.
You've got, like, what happened to Jon Stewart?
Jon Stewart's out of the game for a long time.
He comes back during COVID, goes on Colbert and says, isn't it weird to anybody that the Wuhan coronavirus laboratory had a coronavirus emerge a block away?
And no one's asking that question.
Colbert's like, no, it's completely normal.
What are you talking about?
And John, see what happens is John Stewart thought he could come back after all these years without paying attention to what was going on politically.
And he didn't realize the left had become a cult.
So where it used to be that you could insult and you could be edgy and George Carlin was making racial jokes and using slurs.
John Stewart leaves the game before the wokeness goes mainstream, jumps back into the fray and immediately falls in line.
On his Apple show, talking about white privilege and other garbage, he learned quick he better drop to his knees and kiss the pinky ring.
Mark Cuban, very much the same.
Mark Cuban's probably thinking, look, I stand to lose $437 million in contracts if I speak my mind.
I better just say what they want me to say.
Who cares?
This is the way things are going.
I see Kyle Kalinske, right?
I'll give him credit, partly for his courage to defy the trends, but also in his fear of bucking what he committed to for so long.
Calcolinski used to be a normal guy, and I actually gave him respect.
Back in the day during the Gamergate and the Culture War stuff, he actually spoke nicely of Carl Benjamin, Sargon of Akkad.
People are calling Carl fascist and white supremacist.
It's like, no, no, no, come on, come on.
Like, you can criticize him for a lot of things, but he's not those things.
And I was like, I like this Kyle Kalinske guy.
I like his content.
He's calm.
He's rational.
I don't agree with everything he's saying.
Now he's just lost his mind.
I thought he was friends with Joe Rogan.
Now he's attacking Joe Rogan.
It's because these people...
You know what it is?
They're smart people.
They're watching the wave of the cult take over.
And they think to themselves, I can stand up and fight back or I can just lower my head and move with the crowd.
I'm going to do that one because they genuinely thought that was the right side of history.
Not that it was correct, but that wokeness was going to win and they didn't want to be booted out.
nick sortor
So it kind of reinforces the fact that Mark Cuban is the stupidest billionaire on the face of the earth.
tim pool
He's not stupid.
He's a coward.
There's a difference.
When he saw wokeness, he said, I am going to march in lockstep with these people so I don't lose access to money.
But he was wrong.
What ended up happening is, despite all of the media attempts, despite all of the censorship, Donald Trump's right-wing populist message, and not just his message, but the people around him, Trump succeeded, won the popular vote, won the election, and it was a matter of days when these moral cowards dropped to their knees and said, I have always criticized the Democrats, please!
Because this is the thing.
Democrats fear the most is being on the wrong side of history.
That's why right now they're saying Trump didn't win the popular vote.
He's at 49.9%.
They're saying, nope, nope, popular vote is 50+.
phil labonte
Which is just to say they're afraid of not being in the majority.
tim pool
Exactly.
That's why Kyle Kolinsky is having a mental breakdown right now on X, and has been, because he spent so much energy into this idea of progressivism and liberalism that he thought was the mainstream, that he thought was the majority.
And then after the election, it turned out he's in the minority.
He's having a mental breakdown.
Many of them are.
Mark Cuban is.
nick sortor
Yeah, Mark Cuban I think definitely is.
But did it not look to you like Mark Cuban was being almost held – I mean, not literally, but it looked like he was being held hostage in some of these things, some of these interviews, forcing him to go on TV and say these things which nobody – there's no way he believed some of the things that he was saying on TV using these talking points.
I mean, could it have been – was he in a pissing contest with Elon Musk at that point trying to be – you've got to think about it.
Mark Cuban – I grew up watching Mark Cuban on Shark Tank.
He was one of my idols growing up.
And look at where he's at now.
Is he desperately trying to crawl his way back up the ladder?
tim pool
I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but is it kind of embarrassing to say that Yeah, I feel like I was like, did I get duped or did he go off the deep end?
nick sortor
I don't know which one it was.
unidentified
Well, Nick, remember, he owns the Dallas Mavericks and the NBA is all pro-China.
They don't let people say a lot of things.
So this is not completely out of character for Mark Cuban.
It makes sense to me.
nick sortor
So he's taking the LeBron James route of politics.
That would make total sense.
But what's funny is, and I'll say this one last thing and I'll let you move on, but he sold the Dallas Mavericks to Miriam Adelson, I believe, which was one of Trump's top donors, and then immediately after said that Trump has no strong, intelligent women around him, even though he just sold his team to one of his top people.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from the New York Times.
Big news.
Walmart, once eager to promote diversity, pulls back amid conservative pressure.
Cry more, New York Times.
Right now, there's a bunch of flannel-wearing glasses guys with goatees in Times Square, just outside of it, going to the Times building, and they're all crying at their desks, all shaking each other fervently, saying, we are the majority.
nick sortor
We're still normal.
tim pool
It's conservatives that are doing all this when the largest retailer says...
We don't want to do any of this weird stuff.
We're getting away from it.
The New York Times has to frame it as though, okay, I'm sorry, it wasn't guys.
It's a bunch of women being like, we aren't wrong.
We aren't wrong.
So that's it.
unidentified
That's good.
tim pool
Keep it that way.
So here's the funny thing.
They're saying it made conservative pressure.
You know what the funny thing is?
Walmart is claiming they planned to pull back on DEI well before Robbie Starbuck reached out to them.
The New York Times is coping.
They're seething.
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, the fact, anytime the left loses any kind of social institution or anytime they get any kind of pushback, they absolutely lose their mind.
Look at the way that people freaked out about, you know, when there was the boycott on Target for the LGBT child children stuff, right?
they were losing their mind because they really believed that they had achieved total hegemony over the whole culture, that there was not going to be any kind of pushback.
It's the same reason why when Donald Trump was elected, they lost their mind because they believed that we had achieved, that they had reached a point in time where there was going to be politics of one nature forever.
It was going to be Democrats were going to win.
Hillary Clinton was, of course, going to win.
And the differences were going to be very marginal, you know, if there were going to be any differences between the candidate.
It was going to be someone that it would be whoever would win.
It would be someone that approved of their their Essentially their program.
And that was the way it's going to be because they believed that there was kind of an end to history that we'd achieved.
And obviously that's not the case, but they always lose their mind when anything is rolled back.
And it's partially because a lot of people on the left have replaced traditional religions with a leftist religion.
nick sortor
Yeah, and so let me be clear at how big this is.
You know, first off, for Robbie Starbuck, because New York Times reluctantly mentioned Robbie Starbuck.
They don't want to give Robbie Starbuck any credit.
So that tells you how damn good of a job Robbie did.
So shout out to Robbie on that.
But Walmart is not just the largest retailer.
They are the largest private employer in the United States with over 2 million employees.
This was the big dog to go get, and we did it.
This is a shifting point that we're at right now.
phil labonte
And I guarantee that Walmart is not going to start firing all their women and people of color.
I guarantee that it's not going to happen.
The DEI employees and stuff, they will quietly be ushered out or whatever.
nick sortor
Oh, they're going to go back to performance-based metrics or merit-based, huh?
phil labonte
Exactly.
And it's not going to be some kind of, they're not going to bring in all the good old boys that are just going to get rid of all the women and get rid of all the people of color and stuff.
nick sortor
That's not what it's about.
That's not what it's ever been about before DEI came about.
phil labonte
Completely agree, but that is the narrative that the left wants to sell.
If you get rid of these programs, then all you're going to have, it's going to be just straight white men that are going to get jobs, blah, blah, blah.
And it's obviously insane, but that's what they would want you to believe.
brett dasovic
It's why the Jaguar rebrand is so weird.
It's literally like they just got stuck in a time capsule in 2018 and came out and just rebranded and everyone's like, is this what everyone's doing now?
And they're like, no, you're like four years too late.
phil labonte
Yeah.
nick sortor
I thought it was a Gen Z vape company when I first saw the new logo.
tim pool
No, no, I didn't think it was the car company.
When I saw it, I was like, sometimes...
brett dasovic
What does it have to do with cars?
tim pool
Well, it's not that, but sometimes, like, other companies use different brands.
Like, how many Patties pubs are there?
unidentified
You know what I mean?
tim pool
They're owned by the same guy.
phil labonte
I literally thought Grace Jones was making a comeback.
brett dasovic
And when you see that, the CEO or a high-level executive refused to walk it back and is talking about how they're going forward with their new vision.
It's like, that's not the point of your company, right?
You're basically operating brand name on your name, right?
nick sortor
What are you selling?
brett dasovic
And we're going to electric vehicles only, and everyone's like...
Are you so disconnected from your consumer base?
You've already degraded your consumer base.
It's not like people look at Jaguar as...
tim pool
No, no, finish, finish.
brett dasovic
People aren't looking at the company that way.
In 2018, yes, a brand...
A lot of people said, get woke, go broke.
No, it was go broke, try to get woke to rebrand, which is what's going on here.
tim pool
I think I know what happened.
They've been working on that campaign for some time.
It didn't just start production.
brett dasovic
No, of course not.
tim pool
They were betting on Harris winning and the EV mandates and subsidies.
So they said, Kamala's gonna win.
Everyone's saying Trump can't win.
We're gonna do this commercial.
They probably shifted to EV production when they were looking at the EV mandates a long time ago thinking, with a new Democratic administration coming in, we're gonna get a bunch of money towards EVs.
nick sortor
Because they're gonna stonewall Musk, so the largest electric auto manufacturer is not going to get the subsidies.
We can come in and get it.
We're the largest electric...
tim pool
So that's why they made the weird post-modernist art commercial to pander to the left and make an electric car and get these subsidies, and then Trump won.
brett dasovic
But also, most of these companies...
Well, look, when these companies donate, they don't donate to one candidate.
Most of the time, they spread their money around to multiple candidates.
If you're Jaguar and you've got a company that has the money, theoretically, you should start running ads and running scenarios for both outcomes, right?
So you have your...
Creepy postmodern mandates with your creepy postmodern ad in case the EV mandates go through.
Sure, fine.
But then you should also be making a separate campaign that runs parallel with it that should have a completely different message in case Trump wins.
phil labonte
That's a big price tag.
brett dasovic
I mean...
I mean, better that than being stuck with something that isn't going to work at all.
But that might also speak more to the fact that they really do think that they're the majority, and they can't imagine a scenario where they weren't going to win.
phil labonte
To be fair, just because there's this result in the United States, the United States is kind of the leader in this kind of culture war that's going on.
There are other things that happen, but I think the U.S. did elect Donald Trump before Brexit happened, right?
Yes, I think so.
tim pool
Wait, wait, no, it's the other way around.
Brexit, then Trump.
phil labonte
Okay, so, but the point being, I imagine that Jaguar made this for an international audience.
They put it on the internet.
And it's not obvious to me that it's only going, that it would, that it's going to be rejected in other places.
Canada is steeped in this stuff.
And, of course, there's pushback.
I don't know.
There are people that are pushing back, of course.
tim pool
I think Trump may invade Canada.
unidentified
No.
phil labonte
But in France, in Germany, in a lot of countries in Europe, this is still kind of – they're lagging behind the U.S. culturally, and it's still kind of the norm to have this kind of attitude.
tim pool
I got an idea.
So we compromise with the military-industrial complex.
We say, guys, we're not going to give you your wars in the Middle East or Eastern Europe, but we will give you war in Canada.
nick sortor
Yeah.
tim pool
You want to do these government contracts, we agree, but we have to occupy Canada and liberate them from tyranny.
nick sortor
Yeah, so I don't know how you're going to get any woke, non-binary trans folks to buy Jaguars when they're about to, any of them that are in the military are about to be unemployed by Donald Trump.
tim pool
You know what, there's really good points being made, though, that when the media claims 15,000 people in the military are trans, that's not true.
Because that seems like a very, very large number relative to the amount of people in the military.
nick sortor
I mean, I don't know.
Is that across all branches, all offices?
tim pool
This is just what the media reported, up to 15,000 individuals.
nick sortor
I feel like they're going to try to make that number sound as large as humanly possible.
phil labonte
There's something like a million people in the U.S. military, I believe.
nick sortor
So when I said Walmart was the largest private employer, the reason I said that they're not the largest employer is because the Defense Department employs more.
That's the only one.
So if you talk about millions of people in the Defense Department that work for the Defense Department, that 15,000 probably covers that entire Defense Department of millions of individuals.
tim pool
I do think we've seen some bubblings up in Canada that people are getting fed up with what's going on with Trudeau and stuff.
So I don't follow Canada enough to know for sure.
nick sortor
He was forced to back down to Trump today.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, that's the Trump tariffs.
nick sortor
The Trump effect, yeah.
brett dasovic
Plus, he was out singing at a Taylor Swift concert when people were rioting in the streets.
That doesn't look good.
phil labonte
He's bad.
tim pool
I don't know.
More people watch Taylor Swift than riots, you know what I mean?
phil labonte
Unless the riots are like outside your house, I think you're probably right.
brett dasovic
A lot of these companies that are run by competent CEOs that know what they're doing are trying to push back.
And you could say that it's leaning right, but I would say it's probably in the wake of things.
They're just trying to go back to a form of neoliberalism, which is to say that they're going to begrudgingly support the candidate.
For instance, David Zaslav, who's in charge over there at Warner Brothers, talked about how the election of President Trump would be great for A&M for acquisitions and mergers, right?
Because they want to continue their ability to buy up companies.
They don't want to be broken up.
Everyone's talking about Google and what could be going on over there.
Certainly that same thing happens with Disney very, very regularly where they talk about the company and the possibility that it owns too much in one area.
And if they want a pro-business candidate, they have now got the mandate to be able to do that because there seems to be less pushback against Donald Trump than there was in 2016. So saying as a business that you like Donald Trump now as a business owner doesn't carry the same weight that it did from 2016 through 2020. Not nearly as toxic.
And that's good.
Like, as much as we can complain about neoliberalism, the idea that they would be able to come out and now we can say America first and we can see it that way and we can hope that we can get the best America first candidates out of that.
What they're hoping for are pro-business candidates who may or may not have America first beliefs.
unidentified
Right.
nick sortor
We saw this coming with all the VCs and such from San Francisco, Silicon Valley, finally coming out and sounding the alarm on this.
You have these venture capitalists that have always been morally woke.
They're going to change the world and fix the...
They're not talking about the climate crisis anymore.
They're not talking about...
You know, racism.
They're talking about, okay, how do we fix it?
We've dug such a massive hole.
And they're waking up, you know, these San Francisco guys.
There were tweets that were going around today talking about how there was one guy that traveled to, and Elon was actually interacting with him.
He went to Europe, talking to people in Europe about San Francisco.
And even the guys in Europe see like, OK, San Francisco is the opposite of what you want to do for politics nowadays.
So I think people are finally seeing that.
I don't know if there's some sort of cycle, if these cities are cyclical.
Is New York improving?
Is Eric Adams going to turn it around now that Trump's been elected?
You know, maybe he'll get a pardon.
I mean, getting a business class upgrade on a Turkish Airlines flight doesn't exactly sound like the bane of corruption to me.
brett dasovic
A lot of them are still virtue signaling about deportations in sanctuary cities.
nick sortor
Well, New York is talking about closing down their migrant camps now because Trump has been elected.
And Kathy Hochul was talking to Trump.
I mean, the Democrats are blocking their own party out.
The high-ranking ones know what they need to do.
tim pool
So, let's...
brett dasovic
Isn't that kind of the point that the uniparty will attempt to reassert itself?
If the idea here is that they're going to push themselves back to the middle, and you're going to get them talking about closing the migrant camps and all this stuff, they want to reassert uniparty control by pretending to acquiesce to these things right now until Trump's out of office.
nick sortor
That's why we don't get complacent.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
We got this tweet from Libs of TikTok.
Breaking news.
Frederick Maryland Mayor Michael O'Connor announces he's creating a fund using tax dollars to help illegal immigrants pay legal fees to fight deportations once Trump takes office.
Let's play it.
unidentified
In many regards, this election cycle did not go as I had hoped.
In response to Trump's national immigration policies, Frederick Mayor Michael O'Connor pledging to carve out space in his local budget for a legal advocacy fund, which would use tax dollars to pay undocumented immigrants' attorney's fees as they fight deportation.
Ensuring they have the legal support they need to stand strong and remain in this community, they have chosen to call home.
O'Connor explaining his intention is to allocate the money to organizations already providing similar legal services, helping them expand the number of people they're able to support, although he's still determining the exact dollar amount to set aside.
Some residents we spoke with supportive of the end goal.
I believe a lot of non-immigrant people also contribute to the country.
As well.
But all of them against their tax dollars footing the bill.
I'm torn.
I don't like the idea.
I'd rather our taxpayer money go towards American citizens.
You know you break the law?
It's just what happens.
Nobody helped me pay for my attorney fees when I break the law.
So why should we be paying for theirs out of taxpayer money?
But this comes at a cost.
And this could be a very large cost for Frederick.
And quite frankly, Frederick can't afford it.
tim pool
So, you know, Frederick is one of the major metros around where we are.
We go there all the time.
phil labonte
Frederick Maryland, huh?
tim pool
Frederick Maryland, that's right.
And they fly a Progress Pride flag.
They do, over City Hall, right?
unidentified
I think so.
nick sortor
I'm pretty sure.
unidentified
Frederick has gotten crazy since, like, because I grew up in Maryland and I would always go there.
It's not the same Frederick.
tim pool
So, I don't, I, like, I haven't been in New York.
We went to New York a couple years ago and we did, like, the Times Square thing.
I gotta tell you, Frederick is fried.
Like, it is a bad place.
And I feel bad because there's good businesses and we go there and there's some good restaurants.
But this place is...
You know what?
I take that back.
I hold all of the people of Frederick to a degree responsible for sitting back and letting this governance take over in this city.
Because it is gone overboard.
To the point where, after this election, the mayor is saying, we're going to take tax dollars to pay for non-citizens' legal defense so they can stay here and consume more from the tax base is insane.
nick sortor
What would make this guy double down?
I mean, you look at everybody, look at all the pushback.
I mean, there was a mandate given, this election here.
Why is this guy double?
I understand that Maryland is, what, 60, 65% Democrat?
It's very heavy.
tim pool
Western Maryland wants to secede and join West Virginia.
nick sortor
It's because of the D.C. area.
It's definitely for the D.C. area.
But looking at this, I don't know if you saw Tom Homan talking on Fox earlier today.
tim pool
Oh, that was great.
The Denver mayor says that he's willing to go to jail.
Well, we agree.
I'll put him there.
nick sortor
He said, try it.
Go for it.
phil labonte
That's exactly what the federal government should do.
They should withhold federal funding.
They do it so that way they get...
unidentified
Thank you.
phil labonte
So age of age, like alcohol sales?
nick sortor
And for speed limits on the road?
phil labonte
For speed limits and other stuff like that.
So it's completely normal.
It's not outside of, it's not like this is unprecedented.
brett dasovic
It's tied into highway funding and stuff, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
So it wouldn't be unprecedented to say, look, you're not complying with federal law, so we're going to withhold federal funds.
And if there are any people, whether they be in government or whether they be just protesters that are going to interfere with ICE or whatever carrying out their job, arrest them too.
nick sortor
Right.
phil labonte
Put him in jail.
brett dasovic
This is one of the things that they struggle with.
Like, look, Trump really doesn't like...
In 2020, when the riots were going on, he offered a lot of support to a lot of these cities and they said no.
And he refused to just send in the National Guard because he doesn't want to be called the fascist that they're going to call him anyway.
It doesn't matter.
So at a certain point, a lot of people have discussions about not actually acting in the best interest of your voters because you keep trying to win this phantom boat from people that are never going to support you.
They're going to call you a fascist no matter what.
They're going to call you a Nazi no matter what.
At a certain point, you're going to have to act in a way that's going to get you called that.
You're going to be called that anyways.
This might be one of those situations where they have to consider it.
nick sortor
And I think Trump learned this time around.
I truly do.
With what I've seen, everything that I've heard from him, the people that I've talked to, the people surrounding him, and just off-the-record conversations, I truly believe he learned from 2020, what happened in 2020, because he wants to see the good in people.
I genuinely believe that.
He wants to look at these mayors and these governors and think that they are doing right by their people, but they are not.
They are not.
They are doing right for themselves, and that's it.
These are sleazebags.
He doesn't give a crap.
phil labonte
He wants people to like him, I think, is the thing about Donald Trump.
He's always been liked.
He's always been the most popular guy.
No one's really ever...
The people that dislike him were always in a business sense, and it was always because he was a hard-nosed businessman.
And look, I've said this before, but I really, really wish and I hope that Donald Trump can be the Donald Trump that the left is afraid of.
I want to see Donald Trump be the Donald Trump that the left has been saying, oh, he's this, he's that.
Because if he's one tenth of what they say, he will actually get some really good policies done.
And he'll ignore the people that are going to call him, all the names that they're going to call him, because they're going to call him the names regardless.
It doesn't matter what he does.
He could be as soft as a bunny when it comes to policy, but because he speaks in a way that they dislike and because he's not one of the preferred candidates, he's going to be treated and called all the worst names.
We've seen that clearly for the entire, what, eight years that Donald Trump has been involved in politics, maybe longer.
But...
But still, there's no reason to hold back and say, well, you know, I have to worry about being re-elected or I have to worry about this or worry about that.
No.
Go in and get the job done that you were elected to get done.
The American people want it.
70% of Americans say that they're okay with deportation.
So start with the worst criminals and work your way through.
nick sortor
Yeah, absolutely.
And I mean, it's not going to be the most...
I mean, this is going to be a little bit of a controversial opinion, but, you know, I know Rand Paul said something the other day about not using the military for mass deportations.
I love Rand Paul.
I've known him for years.
I mean, I'm from Kentucky originally, and I worked in politics, in state politics.
And he's a great guy, well-intentioned.
I disagree with him on that.
I think we have to.
I don't think we have a choice because, you know, we're cutting straight through the bureaucracy.
We're going...
That's the way I look at it.
That's what I think we should be doing, and it should be done, you know, pretty quickly.
phil labonte
If the military are necessary to take on the gangs, I might be able to be convinced.
nick sortor
But, to be honest with you, look...
phil labonte
There are entry teams that the FBI have that are extremely skilled, that train regularly.
You don't have to have the military.
nick sortor
And you have to get control on the FBI. Well, that's fine.
phil labonte
But if you look at the teams that are actually the door kickers, you can't tell the difference between the FBI and the military, except for the fact the FBI has FBI on their stuff.
They're all as militarized as any infantry unit in the military.
You don't need to have them...
And to be honest with you, if you're dealing with actual entry teams, the FBI entry teams practice CQB far more than your standard average infantry guy in the military.
So there is the personnel and they have the tactics.
They have the ability to do it.
You don't need to actually use the military.
You have all of the assets you need.
I mean, ICE has militarized security forces.
The FBI has militarized security forces, and there is any number of or umpteen different government agencies that have militarized security forces or police forces.
The DEA and local police, all kinds of assets.
State police, if your mayor of the town won't do it, state police have SWAT. He has plenty of options.
He doesn't actually have to use the military.
nick sortor
Did you see how much bureaucracy that you were just going through with that example?
Level by level by level by level by level.
There's a lot more punishment for somebody in the military that refuses an order by a general or commander-in-chief.
phil labonte
You're going to get Congress people involved.
You're going to get governors saying, no, you can't use our National Guard here because I'm in charge of the National Guard.
You're going to get all kinds of pushback from the military side as well.
Not that you're wrong.
tim pool
Trump need only invoke the Insurrection Act to override governors and take control.
You are hereby instructed that these people breaking the law will be deported if they say we will not enforce the law.
He goes, Insurrection Act.
nick sortor
Absolutely.
And I mean, good luck.
I mean, if you're a general in the U.S. Army and you are refusing that lawful order, look what's going to happen to you.
I mean, it's very different if you're a bureaucrat that's refusing an order.
Very, very different.
That's what I'm saying.
We take that all out of the way.
We've got to do this soon.
We're running out of time here.
phil labonte
Well, yeah.
I mean, I've said it multiple times on the show that you've got about 18 months before...
tim pool
You know, I don't know that I agree with that after the latest report of the DNC firing two-thirds of its staff.
I'm kind of thinking, like, they need to be prepping for the midterms right now, and if they just laid off two-thirds of their staff, and I don't, correct me if I'm wrong, that sounds abnormal.
Is this something they normally do?
nick sortor
How do you recover from that, too?
Two-thirds of your, that's a hell of a lot of people.
We're talking 10,000-plus people?
For the DNC, across all of their different subsidiaries?
phil labonte
I have no...
I couldn't...
nick sortor
That's a lot of two-thirds of their people.
That sounds outrageous to me, but I don't know.
You'd seem like you would go full steam ahead, but are donors pulling out?
That's one of the things.
Are the cash cows, are the big money people, are they stopping?
You see, is Mark Zuckerberg still funneling money into the DNC, or does he see that as...
Mark Zuckerberg's not stupid, right?
I disagree with him on most things, but he's pouring so many billions of dollars into this stuff, and has he stopped because he sees the writing on the wall?
He said he has, but has he actually...
It seems like if the DNC doesn't have any money to pay their staffers, which are the first people...
Tim, you run a business.
tim pool
Real quick, I did check.
It is reportedly common for post-election layoffs.
However, the recent layoffs have been notably extensive.
Reporting approximately two-thirds of the DNC staff were laid off with little notice and no severance.
The scale of layoffs has drawn significant criticism from the DNC staff union, which we did look at.
So what I'm saying there is this definitely seemed to be exorbitant.
They do post-election layoffs because we all talk about this in the media, in the news.
After elections, viewership declines.
People are less interested.
They're fatigued.
But you need to start your preparations for the midterms right now.
They need to know who they're going to be running because they need to line up not only the candidates, they need to make sure that they're ready to go.
They need to find donations.
They need to figure out which PACs are going to be behind which candidates.
They need to start mapping out all the districts they need to go after.
They got to start mapping out where Republicans won by thin margins and they can try and recover those districts.
But they just laid off two-thirds of their staff.
nick sortor
How do you do it?
tim pool
That's why I'm like, at first we were like, Trump's got 18 months.
Because once you get the squishy Republicans into election season, they're going to cower.
Now, I don't know that I agree with that at a certain point.
So initially we all agreed on that.
Then I said, yeah, but you know what?
With a popular mandate, we're going to tell these squishy Republicans, you got two choices.
You back Trump's agenda, or you resign.
Because if you think you're going to play a middle of the road and pander to Democrats, then the Trump supporters will make sure you lose.
So you either go for Trump or just resign now.
And if that means a Democrat wins, ain't nobody going to tolerate weak Republicans.
But now...
That we're hearing the DNC's basically just collapsed.
How are they going to do any kind of preparation for a midterm?
nick sortor
Well, you can think about that.
How do you get people to donate to you when all the headlines, even from the legacy media, are, yeah, the Democrat Party's in free fall and they're laying everybody off and, you know, there's no plan for the midterm.
How do you raise money with that sort of message?
What are you sending out?
I mean, besides Kamala's emails for her recount stuff.
tim pool
With donors already being pissed.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick sortor
Because they were lied to.
They were defrauded.
I would argue that they were defrauded.
tim pool
So there's a story from The Hill.
We won't dive too much in, but just Harris and Walters are supposed to address top donors.
nick sortor
This is a new article?
tim pool
No, this is from the 21st.
nick sortor
Oh my god.
tim pool
Yeah, it's from the 21st.
So they should be, I believe, have already addressed them, dealing with the fact that they burned money and just lost miserably.
They're in the minority.
What's funny is they were acting like...
unidentified
In many regards, this election cycle is garbage.
tim pool
They were arguing that...
The Republicans were on the ropes and were doomed.
Donald Trump would be the death of the Republican Party.
That's what many of these liberal personalities were saying.
Now the Democrats have just laid off two-thirds of their staff to burn through a billion dollars, and we don't even know what they're going to be doing in the next year or two.
nick sortor
And now the donors know that they were lied to.
The donors know that they were lied to.
They were told that Kamala had a chance.
tim pool
Not even that.
The donors know that you can't throw good money after bed.
That they're saying, I can donate to Democrats and flush it on the toilet, or I can, I don't know, go on vacation.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You pick...
phil labonte
I mean, look, the Democrats have left...
I imagine the Democrats have left the donors with a very bad taste in their mouth because of the fact that they had had had a candidate that performed so poorly and that they were not, you know, forthcoming with the with honest information.
So I don't know that they're going to.
And also because, again, the whole country had a significant shift.
Now, usually there's a pushback when the you know, when the midterms, usually if there's a if there's a significant push one way, the midterms will be a push.
The other way.
So I wouldn't be super surprised.
I don't know how many seats are up for reelection or whatever for the Senate and stuff, but that kind of stuff will matter when it'll come into the equation.
But at the end of the day, the U.S. broadly really has kind of signaled that there were a lot of policies the Democrats did that they didn't like.
You look at the way that markets are behaving now, they expect positive results from Donald Trump.
So we'll see.
tim pool
Take a look at this article from The Nation.
Somehow, Americans are liking Trump better every day.
Ain't that something?
The Nation, for those of you who don't know, is a leftist publication.
And they're all starting to break down.
Look at this.
They say, the November era is thick with postmortems of the 2024 election.
But there's already another mystery of public opinion that deserves at least as much scrutiny as the dismissal outcome of presidential balloting.
Americans beholding the squalid, bottom-feeding composition of the Trump cabinet and waiting, a grim panoply of grifters, self-dealing hacks, and sexual assaulters, report that they like what they see.
The net approval rating for the Trump transition is 18%, according to a CNN poll, compared to just 1% during the transition into the first Trump White House.
53% of respondents say they're optimistic or excited about the prospects for a second term, a photographic negative of the initial dawn of the Trump era, where the same majority said it was scared or concerned.
Notice how they have to smear lie.
But I love this, guys.
They're basically saying they're awful, they're evil, they're grifters, and majority of Americans like them and are very excited.
brett dasovic
The lack of self-reflection in the language there, their inability to just leave out the personal smears is exactly why they lost and exactly why it will prove that without major restructuring, they will learn nothing from this.
nick sortor
And I mean, they're doing the same thing that they did before.
I mean, these people, whoever wrote this article, and probably is pretty representative of the left if you read anything on Blue Sky, which I don't.
I just see screenshots on Twitter.
But it seems like they...
of Trump, all of the prosecutions, you know, oh, he was convicted.
Oh, that means he's a felon.
And, you know, originally they were using that as a smear, obviously, calling the felon.
And they did a similar thing in this article.
People don't, they just, it means nothing anymore.
These words mean nothing.
It's like when they used to call people racist, okay?
They were calling everybody they didn't like a racist.
Everybody they don't like is the German mustache guy, which I don't think I can say on YouTube.
And that doesn't work.
And they tried to pull that card in the last week of the election as well, and it didn't work.
Clearly they're not learning from it.
But are the top level Democrats doing that?
If they're still having Kamala and Tim Walz do phone calls?
brett dasovic
I don't think so.
That's the problem, right?
So they were talking about how you said a lot of these top donors probably feel defrauded, right?
Like we back somebody that we were told is a good candidate when they weren't.
Well, technically they should have thought about that before because Joe Biden, whose brains turned to mush...
Should have been something that was evident long before to anyone that was paying attention.
But if the donor class is pawning off their need to pay attention to politics onto the actual DNC, then they're just trusting them and saying, no, trust us.
Even though she hasn't won any votes ever, she's a good candidate, right?
So this is on them as well for not recognizing it sooner.
nick sortor
This is probably the death of DEI right here, this election.
All of this happened because Joe Biden said he was going to pick a black woman, whatever woman is, for vice president.
And now look what they got.
I'm happy for it.
Keep doing it.
Keep doing it, guys.
phil labonte
I don't think that DEI is as...
As dead as some people think.
It's more of a battle win than a war win.
tim pool
So I just noticed something because I saw a tweet.
The Krasnesteins haven't posted in four days.
phil labonte
Condolences.
tim pool
The last thing Ed Krasnestein posted was that he didn't make a lot of money on X and then all of a sudden he's not posting anymore.
And liberals are losing followers like crazy.
David Pakman brought it up, but I pulled up the Social Blade stats on their X profiles and their followers are collapsing.
Like AOC's lost hundreds of thousands.
nick sortor
Hundreds of thousands, yeah.
tim pool
So I think they're propped up by bots.
brett dasovic
So I say meaning astroturfed, meaning fake from the beginning?
tim pool
Well, look, CNN showed that chart where it's like 62 or whatever percent were Democrat.
And I'm like, yeah, I wonder if that was just bots.
And so the reason why it's like 37% were Republican is because you add a bunch of bots, it's going to skew that number down percentage-wise.
You get rid of the bots and everything goes back to normal.
brett dasovic
And think about the nefarious nature of this, right?
So you have created a fake world through bots.
You've also made it impossible to talk about the rival candidate because you'll get called a Nazi, right?
So they've actually structured a fake world for everyone to live in for the last 8 to 12 years by using technology and shaming of people for regular political views.
Again, Trump in process is basically just a 90s Democrat and they've created a fake world that people are just now pulling themselves out of because the election was too big to ignore it.
Like they said, too big to rig.
If this had been marginally close, we could still be living in that same false universe.
nick sortor
Right.
And I think that, you know, even Gen Z has real...
Which they tend to be the most vulnerable demographic.
At least that's what the Democrats thought they were.
So they put out people like Harry Sisson.
They put out, what's it, Olivia Juliana?
Whatever the big one.
You know, the one that...
That always reminds me that fat shaming saves lives.
But, you know, I think that they thought they put so much money into these Gen Z influencers that didn't relate to Gen Z at all.
Because Gen Z, it came out today, again, a YouGov survey that came out today showing that Gen Z overwhelmingly favors Trump and Trump's plans for the economy, Trump's plans for housing.
Because, you know, even over the past four years, Kamala and Biden have totally shut out Gen Z from buying homes.
Like, I'm 26. I'm right there on that line.
And I'm lucky that I bought a house back in 2020 because, you know, it'd be really tough to be in a situation of a normal Gen Zer and try to buy something like that now.
And they see that.
They're not stupid.
They're not falling for the TikTok propaganda anymore.
brett dasovic
Well, it's also impossible because the candidate and that method are in Congress.
So Kamala Harris is...
Basically the old class, right?
She'll only do media interviews that are pre-planned.
She's only going to go on 60 Minutes.
She's only going to do things where she's going to look the best possible way, in the fakest possible light that you can put her.
But then your influencers are the ones who are on the same platforms where you're looking for, you know, Trump is going to do Joe Rogan.
Trump is going to do Theo Vaughn.
He speaks more to a generation that wants unfiltered content delivered to them that gives them a better gauge of what they're watching than expecting I'm asking them to go watch a bunch of Harry Sisson videos and then go say, okay, I'm going to go look at Harry Sisson.
Oh, 60 Minutes.
I haven't watched that in a while.
I'm 22. No, that's not a thing.
nick sortor
But you don't even have to watch these podcasts.
The other part of it is the media, even the legacy media, would take out sections of these podcasts.
Trump on there, he says something which the media sees as egregious, yet Gen Xers even and millennials see as just like, oh, he's just like a dude.
It was pretty base.
That was a pretty base thing to say.
And they're getting exposed that way.
The normal conversations he's having are being exposed through the legacy media when they're just trying to do a hit piece on him.
And it's backfiring.
unidentified
That's what's so insane to me about the Jaguar ad.
You just said Gen Z got screwed, can't buy houses, can't afford groceries.
phil labonte
They're going to buy Jags now?
unidentified
You're going to buy Jaguars?
phil labonte
EV Jags on the list.
unidentified
How are they going to afford it?
This is a luxury car break.
brett dasovic
Live in your Jag.
That's what they'll say.
phil labonte
The people that Jaguar is targeting with that ad are the people that are most likely to still be moved by or influenced by that kind of ad.
tim pool
That's a good point.
People need to realize.
They think that Jaguar ad was for us.
phil labonte
No, it's not.
tim pool
The regular person.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
It's for the uppity, liberal, Gen Z guy who makes a million dollars working for the DNC or whatever garbage.
brett dasovic
No, the Volvo ad was for the rest of us.
The Volvo ad was for the rest of us.
It's so funny how a little bit of perspective gives it a long way.
If I had seen the Volvo ad like a month before, I'd have been like, oh, that was really, really nice.
But you watch it after you watch the Jaguar, like, oh my god!
unidentified
Like, I don't know what it is, but that was amazing.
brett dasovic
I can't even watch 30 second ads.
tim pool
Colluded with Jaguar and said, you do a really bad one?
That way when ours comes out like three days later, everybody's into it.
I love it.
nick sortor
But I mean, you look, it's like, and obviously one of the things that Jaguar is pushing as well is the whole climate thing.
Oh, we're going to move to EVs for that.
But, you know, they keep outing themselves again and again and again.
Like, Gavin Newsom came out today and said, we're not giving any money through our EV subsidies or EV credits to Tesla.
So if you buy a Tesla, you can't have any other electric car.
You can have EV credits when you purchase one, but not Tesla.
So apparently Tesla, which is by far one of the greenest companies in the world, is still not green enough for California, right?
What is this all about?
phil labonte
That's the thing.
Clearly, it's not about how green is.
It's all about power.
tim pool
Elon Musk has the best EV company.
They're cool.
Everybody wants them.
And they shut him out from all of these deals, from all these meetings, and it's because Elon Musk is not in line with their cult business.
nick sortor
And many of these companies couldn't operate without Elon Musk either, because years ago, and I was young, I thought this was a really dumb move, but I was like, okay, maybe he's onto something here.
When he open sourced all of his patents and didn't charge anybody for anything, and then he sets up supercharging stations all around the country, these EV companies, GM, Ford, whatever, they're now begging him to use this supercharger network.
tim pool
They are.
nick sortor
So I wouldn't have a company without it.
I would not have an EV Brent.
tim pool
I went to a Lucid dealership.
I think Lucid is what they're called or whatever.
I don't know.
And I was talking about their cars and they were like, look at the car.
And I said, what is that?
And I pointed to the electric charger and they're like, that's what we use.
And I said, those suck.
And they're like, we know the next model that's coming out next year will use the North American Standard, which is the Tesla.
nick sortor
Supercharger, yeah.
tim pool
And I was like, so then why would anyone want to buy this car?
And he was like, I don't know.
brett dasovic
I hope he had that defeated tone when he said it.
He's always asking questions.
tim pool
He did.
Maybe not as if he did, but he was like, yeah.
And I was like, so I really shouldn't buy it, I should wait, right?
brett dasovic
And Elon really might be the best example of just how their views don't match up, right?
Like, on paper, he's everything that they should love other than, you know...
tim pool
Before.
brett dasovic
Yeah, exactly.
Other than the tweeting.
But it makes no sense.
And most of the time, now there's even, like, Elon derangement syndrome where celebrities, like, sell their Teslas because they might be judged for driving a Tesla.
phil labonte
Not kidding around.
I have friends that have Teslas and they're like, I bought it before.
nick sortor
They have the bumper sticker on the back.
brett dasovic
They have the bumper sticker on the back.
phil labonte
I bought it before.
Which is completely ridiculous because the whole point of it, first of all, they really are some of the best cars on the, at least the most feature-packed and the most comfortable cars out on the market.
tim pool
And the fastest.
I was looking at a bunch of EVs before I got a Tesla.
Nothing compares.
No question.
There are some lower cost, cool SUV types, and I was like, we could use this.
Because an electric vehicle is great for going to groceries.
We never got to get gas.
We drive it back.
We don't go that far.
If we're going to a restaurant, EV is great.
If we want to go on a longer trip, a couple hours, maybe we'll take the Honda or whatever.
But I kept looking at the specs of every single vehicle, and it's nothing compared to Tesla.
unidentified
Nothing.
nick sortor
And I mean, these are the same companies that are getting all these subsidies, billions and billions of dollars.
I mean, you saw Lucid, I think, today, what they get?
unidentified
Rivian.
nick sortor
Rivian, that's it.
$6.6 billion from the Biden regime because they are just doling out cash like candy right now.
tim pool
How many chargers did Buttigieg build?
unidentified
Eight?
tim pool
Seven.
brett dasovic
Oh, I guess too high.
nick sortor
Well, it was $8 billion.
tim pool
We were joking about this, like, did he secretly build underground subterranean tunnels for the Blizzard people or something?
brett dasovic
But the worst part of all of it is, it's not to derail, but knowing that These types of vehicles are somehow politicized.
That Elon Musk has made your car a political statement.
nick sortor
Shows you how unserious they are.
brett dasovic
It's the most depressing part of all of it.
I re-watched the pilot for Suits the other day, which is a great show if you haven't seen it.
There's a scene in the pilot episode where he talks about going to a place and renting a Tesla for the night.
I'm like, could they even do that now?
If we were in the same spot now, the way that Elon Musk is seen, would they even put that in there?
It's like I talk about.
There's TV shows that constantly berate cryptocurrency or Bitcoin.
Because it's just, you know, Hollywood nimby liberals who want to strike out at anything that makes regular people happy.
And when normal stuff becomes highly politicized, it's really good at demoralizing the public.
phil labonte
I'm sorry, go ahead.
nick sortor
Well, this all started, if you remember, in California when he had a Tesla factory, I believe, in Hawthorne, California.
And that assembly member from the government of California came out and tweeted, you know, with no censors or anything, F Elon Musk.
And he's like, okay, message received.
And then he moved out of the state.
And now they've been at war since then.
And he's winning, clearly.
phil labonte
I made a remark on the show earlier about how the left has replaced traditional religion with a leftist religion.
And that's part of why everything is political.
If you're a devout Christian, everything you see, you see everything through a Christian lens.
You know, how does this relate to God?
If you're a devout Muslim, it's like, is it Haram or is it, you know, Halal?
And that's part of your identity.
The way that the left behaves is everything is political and it doesn't leave anything out.
We were doing some, we were doing some shorts today.
And one of the videos that we covered was this person that was literally attributing everything in their life to some political, you know, some political aspect.
And if you don't have the ability to say, you know what...
Or, I'm sorry, the left doesn't have the ability to say, you know what, this I'm not going to politicize.
The right can actually do that, can say, I don't want to.
And that's one of the wonderful things about the United States is we have the opportunity to say, I don't want to be involved with that.
If you're free, you can say, this is something that I don't, it doesn't really bother me, it's not a major concern, I don't want to worry about it.
But the left doesn't allow for that.
tim pool
Speaking of getting spiritual, it is the last segment before we take off for Thanksgiving, so we're gonna do a silly one.
This was a video, I think, Kellen, you shared this with me, right?
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
It's a guy claiming that he did a bunch of drugs and then saw a computer code and a laser beam.
unidentified
Too bad Ian's neck.
brett dasovic
Where is Ian when you need him?
unidentified
When I first saw the phenomenon, I was like, holy shit!
tim pool
Dude, I love this watch.
unidentified
You guys can watch this.
I was actually like, whoa.
What is happening?
Am I losing my mind?
But then I showed other people, and things kept getting weirder.
Just for the record, I haven't told him anything.
Okay, just tell me what you see.
Oh my god, come on.
Holy shit.
I just saw something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What the fuck?
Oh, I see that.
I feel it.
tim pool
So real quick, for those who are just listening, they're on DMT, right?
unidentified
I think so, yeah.
tim pool
And they're looking at a laser beam on the wall, and they're going, I see it, I see it.
unidentified
Are they actively on DMT? I think that's what it is, right?
tim pool
That's what it is.
I don't know how much.
So let me play more, but yes, they were on DMT looking through a laser and they claimed to see computer code.
Listen.
unidentified
But I've never seen anything like that.
Whoa.
I showed over a hundred people, and I kept asking myself, how are all of us seeing the same thing?
Oh my God.
It's changing shapes right there.
The laser was revealing numbers and letters running in a pattern.
It looks like this big here, and it looks like code.
It looked like...
That was a thick laser.
That's why I told you.
And I just want to take a picture of it and translate it.
tim pool
So what I love about this and why I think it's funny is, like, it's getting a good amount of shares.
Everyone's really excited.
They're all like, oh, what could this mean?
It means that a bunch of people did drugs and stared at the wall and got surprised by what they saw.
Like, this is not surprising to me in the least bit.
Let me stress that again.
Guy does psychoactive stimulants and then goes, oh, wow, at the wall.
nick sortor
Stared at long enough, you'll go blind.
But, I mean, I feel like you can see pretty much whatever you want to if you take an FDMT. I was picturing a dude, like, taking a laser pointer and just pointing it out.
unidentified
What do you see?
nick sortor
Nothing anymore!
tim pool
I used to, but now I don't.
So it's funny because people always, you know, and look, when was the last time Joe Rogan talked about DMT? I don't know.
nick sortor
This is a while, right?
tim pool
Right.
And so he for a while had like this DMT arc where he was fascinated by it.
And everybody was chasing after this idea of like, does DMT reveal greater truths or whatever or something like this.
And my attitude always has been like, I think DMT reveals that when you do drugs, You see weird things.
I can't say much else about it.
But I know a lot of people, prominent conservatives, who genuinely believe that DMT allows you to peer beyond the veil.
And I'm not going to call any of these people out.
It's up to them to come out and say these things.
But we all know Alex Jones has talked about it.
We know that Rogan's talked about it.
But I've heard a lot of people, Christians, who believe that DMT will allow you to speak with demons or the devil himself.
unidentified
Well, the UK, they did an MRI study with patients on, I think, LSD, which I don't know how similar that is to DMT, but basically what they found is your brain resorts to childhood, and children walk around a park and they're like, ooh, ah, a lot like these people are doing in the video.
So I think that's all that's happening here is your mind is being put in a childlike state, and you see wonder, you're in awe.
nick sortor
I mean, can you be, when you're on a psychedelic drug, I've never done one, I'm just gonna be honest with you, but if somebody tells you, okay, they put you on a psychedelic drug and they tell you that you're supposed to be seeing something, are you typically going to be convinced to see something?
brett dasovic
Their mindset going into it also probably plays a role in it.
There's a very, very big difference between the type of person who seeks out some form of higher truth through psychedelics.
For me, I always found that strange because it was never my path.
So if you don't know, I'm many years sober from the hard drugs, but I saw a lot of things in my day, none of it on purpose or by choice.
So I always saw these things as the type of thing that I didn't want to be there.
I ended up there as a matter of problem rather than a matter of searching.
So a lot of it is that if their mind is open to it beforehand, it could influence what they're seeing in that respect.
Anyways, whatever the case is, I don't imagine that just peering into lasers is all that good for you long term?
phil labonte
Yeah, I feel like, you know, like that's a bad thing for your eyes.
nick sortor
Does it have to be a specific laser?
phil labonte
I don't know.
nick sortor
Can I just go to Walmart and get a laser?
brett dasovic
That's the thing.
If you put that idea in their head and then you fed them a green laser and said you will see different numbers.
The end of pie is in the green laser.
You just put the green laser on the wall.
And look, there's a lot of...
There's a lot of people that love the search for truth through these types of things.
nick sortor
What about the people that, you know, they take LSD or something and they're like, oh yeah, I see a cloud, it looks like Michael Jackson.
I mean, does that seem sort of thing?
brett dasovic
That's pareidolia.
I mean, you could do that not yourself by squinting and looking at a cloud outside of a plane.
nick sortor
Alright, so mix a drug with that.
I don't know.
brett dasovic
It was never, like, I never understood this because I said, like, for me, when you start seeing stuff, that was always the end of a very, very bad period of time.
So I was always kind of shocked by the people that, not that I have anything wrong with them doing it, but I was always shocked by the people that really seemed to gravitate towards that because to me that was synonymous with being out of control.
You know, you've reached the end point of an experience, whether bad or good, and a lot of people swear by it.
unidentified
I wonder if the people that are doing DMT also are just into coding.
Like, is this the same demographic?
Everyone's chronically online.
Is it hitting some part of your memory so that's why everyone sees the same thing?
tim pool
Here's the question I had.
Take a dude from like North Sentinel Island, put him on DMT and tell him to look at the laser.
Is he going to say code?
He doesn't even know what that is.
Right, exactly.
He's going to say nothing.
He's going to be like, oh, writing.
If it is writing.
What I think it is, is that lasers sometimes appear grainy due to, what is it, like refraction on surfaces.
And so all that's happening is they're hallucinating and And so the grains, their brain, it's twisting and it looks like a shape.
Because when they say it's letters and numbers, why would it be in English?
Is the code of the universe using Arabic numerals in English?
Or the Japanese symbols?
brett dasovic
Is the idea that it would look the same as somebody else but the text would look different because it would be based on the language that they're familiar with?
tim pool
I think they're just tripping.
I think they're on drugs.
I think it says it.
nick sortor
What do you mean?
tim pool
So it's funny because I've had a lot of people throughout my life say things like, man, I did mushrooms, and then I just like, I understood.
You've got to do mushrooms.
And I'm like, dude, you have altered your brain with a chemical that's convinced you you're right.
Let me put it this way.
Imagine there was a brain slug that would take over your brain and make you do things like the fungus, the cordyceps fungus.
Yeah.
No, no, wait, what's a good example?
What movie was I just watching where the zombies take everybody over?
Invasion!
Is that what it's called?
With Nicole Kidman?
You know this, Brett.
brett dasovic
90s, right?
2007. Not a movie I saw.
tim pool
So an alien fungus comes, and it infects people, and when you fall asleep, during REM sleep, the hormone release triggers the fungus's growth, which then turns you into part of this hive mind.
phil labonte
That sounds great.
tim pool
And then all the hive are, like, going around emotionless, vomiting on people to infect them.
That's the movie.
And so the thing is, when you're infected with the fungus, you're like, all the people who are infected are just like, you'll be happier when you are one of us.
Join us.
Stop running.
Our world is better.
We have no violence and no crime.
And then once they get inoculated and cured, they don't remember anything.
So it's like when I hear people say that I did a bunch of psychedelics and it showed me the truth and the way and wow, now I understand.
I'm like, that's no difference than someone saying I was infected by an alien mind control virus and you should trust me and do it too.
I'm like, I'm not interested in doing it to my brain.
brett dasovic
Be weary of anybody that tells you that you need to do it too without understanding that it's A person's brain chemistry can be very, very different.
For instance, if you have fragile brain chemistry, those types of things, outside of controlled environments and really, really investing time into making sure that the experience goes the way that you want it to.
But in that case, you're investing a lot of time into something that's going to give you answers to yourself.
That you're not going to be able to convince other people that is the truth anyways, right?
So for me, at the worst of the worst, I'd be up days at a time and the wallpaper in my bathroom would turn into a maze.
Am I going to tell people that?
No, that's insane.
tim pool
Trust me, your bathroom will turn into a maze.
unidentified
You've got to do that.
brett dasovic
You will find the end of the human existence and all the answers at the end of the maze in your bathroom wallpaper.
Look, it's insane.
phil labonte
You're going to spend a lot of time looking at the wallpaper for no reason.
brett dasovic
And then you look at it when you're sober and you're like, where did it go?
phil labonte
And you're talking about the time that you spent looking at the wallpaper.
tim pool
Right, right.
brett dasovic
Exactly.
tim pool
Yeah, but there's a lot of people that are desperate for spirituality.
And what I see with a lot of the DMT stuff is people who probably should just go meet with a theologian of some sort and ask them these questions instead of just having some strange man give them a chemical substance that they think will show them the lights.
brett dasovic
But the thing is, for a lot of people, it's more immersive in that moment, right?
So they may have those questions and they may entertain those ideas maybe late at night before they go to bed.
Obviously, your brain reacts.
Your brain works very, very differently the longer you've been awake, not even long periods of time.
But for instance, a lot of people are said to be more creative either late at night or early in the morning, depending on the type of person you are.
And for a lot of people, you may need that chemical to make you more immersive in asking those questions and more receptive to those answers.
But a person who's truly curious about it all the time may not need that.
So it almost feels like if you are a person who needs those chemicals to do that, it feels like something's being stolen from you because you want to know, you want to care, but you can't really bring yourself to think about it more frequently unless you're using something like DMT. This makes me very thankful for that D.A.R.E. lady that came to my school telling me not to do this crap.
tim pool
That increased.
brett dasovic
D.A.R.E. made it worse.
nick sortor
I don't know anything about D.A.R.E. I just remember it coming.
I don't know any of the outcomes of it, but this seems to be one of the things that would have been good for them to cover.
tim pool
Let me tell you about the problem with these anti-drug things, right?
In Chicago...
I remember there was a story on the news, and it was like a new super potent strain or variant of opiate has now been found being sold on the south side of Chicago.
brett dasovic
Well, that's disgusting.
Where?
tim pool
Near 63rd and Cicero.
And then a week later, it was like 17 more people died after going to- A block from 63rd and Cicero.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
They reported that someone died from fentanyl, and then a week later, 13 more people died.
And I'm like, yeah, because they also have the report and then went to go get it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So when, like, I remember when the D.A.R.E. stuff was going at schools, my understanding is that the guys were like, alright kids, I'm gonna teach you about cocaine.
Here's what it does.
Here's meth.
And then the kids were like, where do I get it?
nick sortor
That sounds awesome.
brett dasovic
The adult is equipped with the brain that tells him those are bad things.
You know, long-term use of this is dangerous.
A kid doesn't see that.
The kid says, wow, that experience sounds like a lot of fun, right?
Also, look, I don't know if this was everybody's experience, but I never had anybody randomly show up to me and say, want some free drugs?
nick sortor
Nobody gives out free drugs.
brett dasovic
That never happened to me, but, you know.
unidentified
Do you guys remember the Miami zombie?
The Miami zombie?
phil labonte
Zombies?
tim pool
You mean when they were doing those bath salts and other drugs?
unidentified
That was more effective than any anti-drug campaign, personally, because you saw the video of someone being brutally attacked.
I'm like, okay, now this is, let me stay away from whatever this stuff is, you know?
brett dasovic
That's a side quest of Florida Man.
tim pool
Alright everybody, we're going to go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with everyone you know, and, you know, it's going to be Thanksgiving, so, you know, just have a good time with your friends and family, whoever you're with, or if you're by yourself, just think about all the good things you can do and watch a good movie.
We got AlphaTurkey saying, I have lost many in my tribe, pray that my kind makes it past Thursday.
Also, Phil has small triceps.
phil labonte
I'm going to leave that alone because it's Thanksgiving and I'm not looking to start any beef.
tim pool
Sea Cowboy says it's crazy how the argument against tariffs is rooted in slave labor.
I guess the Dems still haven't changed since 1860.
Ha ha.
The deplorable Miss Drake says, my husband explained it like this, no stone, burrito, or other god can be more powerful than all-powerful god, otherwise he wouldn't be all-powerful.
So, you know, I had a great conversation with this doctor that we had on it during the culture war, because the debate that I had with Andrew Wilson, and he's a theologian, so he was a very learned man, and explained to me that my view of God predates Aquinas, and that it used to be this view that God was not bound by the rules of logic and of this universe.
However, With Aquinas—and I can't do the statements justice because this guy, smart guy—he was basically saying that with Aquinas and other theologians and other, you know, figures in the Church, the idea is that God must follow these rules as they are true and we know them, and so God can't be contradictory, and thus this statement like, there can be nothing more powerful than an all-powerful God— I find that interesting.
I'm not a Christian.
My view of God is vastly more powerful than, I guess, the modern Christian God in that sense.
Because the implication that God must be bound by our determination of logic or that what we see in logic as a small piece of God presents a limit to God's power.
My view is that what we perceive as the universe, there may be many other universes.
So if this were true...
That God is limited to the existing logic that we perceive as a component of Him.
That means that all universes and all realities God would ever create must follow the exact same rules, which is a limitation, which is strange to me.
Anyway, no additions, huh?
phil labonte
No, I mean, I don't have a whole lot of, like, I'm an agnostic, so I don't really have a take on whether or not, you know, what God can or can't do.
I'm very aware of my own limitations.
You know, I mean, look, we didn't know about radio waves until less than 100 years ago, you know, like, or we didn't have a really good sense of what they did.
We didn't know how to see things in infrared or in x-rays or whatever.
I don't feel like I'm in a position to be discussing theology just because I don't have any kind of sense of...
tim pool
Well, I'll keep it simple.
If we believe science, what we think we know now, and we follow that to the best of our abilities, just let's call it a hypothesis, do we believe that there is a smallest form of matter as of right now?
phil labonte
Well, yeah, as of right now, science, yeah.
tim pool
Quarks.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
I believe quarks, or is it a strange matter or something?
phil labonte
Subatomic particles are, I mean, I think quarks are the smallest, or if you believe string theory, the strings that make up quarks and stuff like that, which are actually more like a, go ahead, maybe.
tim pool
Well, so if the idea is there is a smallest, I would imagine that the universe would not be entirely infinite, at least in that degree, and maybe there would be a largest.
I don't know for sure, though.
What I can say is consciousness exists.
We are humans.
We have it.
Lesser consciousness exists.
We observe that every day.
For what reason would anyone determine that greater consciousness does not exist?
In fact, by all reason, it does.
Then the question is, to what scale and which degree does consciousness exist at its most highest form?
phil labonte
I feel like the argument of whether God can or cannot do something...
If I understand the theologians correctly, they say that God cannot because when they were...
What's his name saying?
It's against his nature.
He doesn't do things that are against his nature.
So it's not that...
If I understand correctly, it's not that he doesn't possess the ability, it's that because of his nature, he won't do these things.
And for us to say, cannot, is accurate to the best of our ability.
But again, I'm not really a theologian.
tim pool
That's not my faith-based view of the universe or reality.
unidentified
That...
tim pool
My view is more like a dog can't understand how a car works, and we are closely related to dogs relatively.
How could a human even begin to think that a guy would be confined by anything perceivable in the universe?
And if we only just recently discovered the electromagnetic spectrum...
Like, the scale at which God could exist beyond this universe is unknowable by the human mind.
phil labonte
That's why I feel like I'm agnostic, because I can't know and I can't understand.
nick sortor
So you don't go all the way to atheism.
phil labonte
No, no, not at all.
nick sortor
You're still open to the idea.
phil labonte
Yeah, yeah, because, I mean, the thing is to believe in science at all...
At some point, science breaks down, right?
So when you get back closer to, if you believe, the Big Bang, the theories that they have now is the Big Bang was the start of everything.
And at some point, everything that we see came out of literally nothing.
Right.
nick sortor
How?
phil labonte
Exactly.
So I don't know how that works.
tim pool
There's a great meme.
I love it.
It said...
Think about it from a dog's perspective.
Humans effectively have magic powers, can fly, can travel at high speeds, and they seemingly live for hundreds of years relative to a dog.
They're like elves.
nick sortor
Yeah.
tim pool
Like the way humans and elves in mythology.
phil labonte
I've read a couple of memes where the dogs are writing stories as if human beings are the elves and stuff.
They're actually very cute.
tim pool
To the average dog, humans are effectively immortal.
Most dogs don't see human mortality.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
That's crazy.
nick sortor
Sounds like a much better life.
tim pool
Maybe not most dogs, but most dogs don't deal with human mortality all that often.
phil labonte
What you're talking about is the foundation of the idea that ignorance is bliss.
You don't know.
If you're unaware of things, then that's a better state to be in than being aware and being anxious about the conditions of If I have some sort of terminal illness, I don't want to know.
Well, I mean, I'm not sure that that's the case.
nick sortor
I don't want to know.
I'm just saying.
But that's how I would think.
tim pool
Here we go.
Raleigh says, Hi, Tim and crew.
My wife's birthday is tomorrow.
Please wish her an early happy birthday if there is time.
Happy birthday!
brett dasovic
Happy birthday!
unidentified
There you go.
phil labonte
Enjoy your birthday turkey day.
Or no, wait, tomorrow's not turkey day.
tim pool
Not turkey day.
Turkey day eve.
We got Just Cause I'm Free saying all America wants over this holiday is justice for mocha.
Give us what we want, Brett.
Justice for mocha.
What is that?
brett dasovic
This will never happen.
Okay, so...
Mocha is a cat.
Mocha is my girlfriend's cat and we do a segment on our show called Cute of the Day where viewers of the show submit their pets and we show cute pets on there.
But since Mocha is not in fact cute, I can't in good conscience.
Just because the cat has an in because I run the show doesn't mean I in good conscience can put the cat on the screen.
I'm not gonna do that to the viewers.
We have two other cats that we've shown.
Chloe has ended up on the show.
Toast has ended up on the show.
Mocha will not end up on the show.
It's not my fault.
The cat should have been better looking.
Agreed.
I still love the cat, I just can't submit that everybody has to look at it.
phil labonte
How about cringe of the day?
brett dasovic
Oh, that might be a good loophole.
I'll have to think about that.
tim pool
What about ugly pets?
brett dasovic
That would actually be really good to be like, you can submit your pets for either cute of the day or ugly pet of the day.
tim pool
Is it one of those mush-faced ones where its eyes go off in other directions?
brett dasovic
No, what it is is that the cat's tongue is perpetually out and it just looks in a stupor all the time.
unidentified
I need to see this cat!
brett dasovic
I'm always like, look, you are a fantastic argument that my girlfriend is a saint because who could love you other than me and her?
We love her.
tim pool
All right, let's go.
We got Chad Brammer who says, quick thing on the Star Trek Four Lights thing you bring up a lot.
It's borrowed from the end of 1984 when Winston is being tortured.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Oh, that's where the Four Lights comes from?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Because everybody now associates it with Star Trek.
phil labonte
Yeah.
But he does the whole thing.
Because at the end, the very end of 1984, that's where they get the most important command from Big Brother was that you actually love Big Brother.
And at the end, before he gets killed, spoiler alert, before he gets killed, he's actually saying, I love Big Brother, I love Big...
So they totally break the guy.
tim pool
And they kill him anyway?
phil labonte
And they kill him, yeah.
tim pool
The best thing is that dude goes on to play the Chancellor in V for Vendetta.
Yeah, famous actor.
phil labonte
Wasn't he in the Pink Floyd the Wall movie as well?
brett dasovic
John Hurt, right?
tim pool
Is that who it is?
brett dasovic
John Hurt.
tim pool
I mean, Rhett knows all as it pertains to pop culture.
brett dasovic
Yes, everything.
Tim loves Disney.
He's like, oh, you haven't seen Invasion from 2007 and Nicole Kidman?
That was the one with Daniel Craig where he got the announcement that he was going to be James Bond when that movie was being made.
Oh, really?
Zombie movies, not really my thing, but I think it's John Hurt, if you're talking to the Chancellor.
phil labonte
I'm looking at John Hurt as the guy.
brett dasovic
John Hurt, he passed away a couple years ago.
tim pool
Yeah, but that was so great how he's the main dude in 1984, and then he's the Chancellor in Viva Vendetta.
That was great casting.
brett dasovic
Remember, that was when the Wachowskis, they produced that movie back then.
That's one of Hugo Weaving's best roles, and that is a movie that I will still re-watch every year, and gets left out a lot of times when people talk about great comic book adaptations.
tim pool
Yeah.
But he didn't really follow the comic book characters.
brett dasovic
I mean, most of the time they don't, right?
But it's still like as far as story structure, it's a fantastic.
Imagine where they're like, ooh, be fearful of the Christian theocratic Britain of the fascist theocratic Christian Britain of 2006. No, he wasn't in the wall, my bad.
tim pool
All right.
Rita Ho says, the House seats are being flipped in CA. It could be 217 versus 215 until special election.
Are you guys worried?
Yeah, I know.
That's why it's like Matt Gaetz leaving is not good.
nick sortor
No, he should have retaken his seat.
tim pool
But it's still a majority.
I mean, it doesn't matter.
nick sortor
I would have loved to have seen Matt Gaetz retake his seat there because there was that loophole.
I don't know if you saw this.
I had to call my attorney, who is an election lawyer, and I called him and asked him because I saw when Matt Gaetz resigned and he...
And then he was becoming AG. He's like, oh, well, it's really bold to jump and just go all in on AG. But Matt resigned from the 118th Congress, not the 119th Congress.
So he could have retaken that seat.
Why he didn't, I mean, there could be a myriad of reasons, but it was possible.
tim pool
I think he's going to work in the Trump administration in some capacity.
nick sortor
He's going to work in the Trump administration in some capacity.
I think Laura Trump is going to have that seat down there if Ron DeSantis...
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
nick sortor
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
The congressional seat?
nick sortor
No, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Senate seat.
nick sortor
The Senate seat.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what's going to happen.
That'd be epic.
Yeah, but it's Ron DeSantis that has to do it.
And Ron DeSantis, obviously, you know, maybe he's got some people that...
There was a floating...
His chief of staff wanted the seat and stuff.
You know, I'm tired of that type of politics where, you know, it's like you're going to have...
I hope Ron DeSantis doesn't gatekeep like that.
I'd like to see Laura Trump.
We need somebody in the Senate because the Senate is an entity, a body that thinks that they are above the people.
They don't, because they're elected to six-year terms.
They're not afraid of us.
That's the problem that we see.
We don't have any real allies in the Senate.
We think we do.
We have some that are better than others.
But, you know, if we have Laura Trump in there, she is unquestionably going to push the MAGA agenda.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, that perspective is a little contrary to what I would like to see, which is the repeal of the 17th Amendment.
I'd like to see the state legislatures actually elect the state, the senators.
Not that I'm saying that we're going to see it, but they're going to behave like they're not accountable to the population anyways.
They need to be doing things that are good for their individual states.
And the way to get that to happen is have them elected by the state legislatures.
Now, I know that there are people that are going to go ahead and make a huge stink about it.
nick sortor
You're a threat to democracy.
phil labonte
Well, fair enough.
I'm pro-Republic anyways.
But I do think that if I could have my druthers, if I could wave a magic wand and just make it happen, I absolutely would.
Because the idea that the senators need to be elected by the population, I mean, that's kind of ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick sortor
And to go back to your Super Chat question real quick, it is very different.
A lot of people don't know this.
They still don't realize this, that congressional seats, all of the ones that have been pulled from Congress, that is not an appointment by the governor.
That is a special election that has to be called per the Constitution for that seat.
So you're not going to see Ron DeSantis appointing anybody to any of those congressional seats because he can't do that.
So Matt Gaetz, that seat in Florida 1, is going to sit vacant until, I believe, April?
Which is definitely...
It's not going to help.
It's not going to help put through Trump's agenda.
phil labonte
Whoever ends up being in taking the seat, I mean, it needs to be someone that's going to be friendly to the Trump administration's policies.
I mean, the agenda has been set.
Again, this is...
nick sortor
There's a mandate.
phil labonte
Yeah, there is a mandate, no matter how much the left wants to scream and cry and say there's not.
The entire country shifted right, the House, the Senate, and the presidency, even if it's not a mandate that the left will acknowledge.
There is clearly a desire by the country to not do what the democrats were doing and that's actually you can't argue that there is you know that we have some kind of split in the country there's a majority of the american people that said these policies that we have been seeing from the left and from the democrats are not working we're not happy with them and we want to change them so there's only a limited amount of time for them like i said before like there's 18 months before to get as much done as possible I'm hopeful that it'll
be possible to get a lot done, but he's going to need people in both the House and the Senate to do it, as well as the administrations.
nick sortor
Based on looking at the Senate right now, I am not particularly hopeful.
I'm just not.
John Thune, he's doing a lot of talk right now.
He's got to prove it to the people.
tim pool
All right.
Carter Mye says, Annex Canada!
Thanks for my birthday wishes.
I got Trump for president.
Annex Canada, please, and elect Pierre Poliev- How do you pronounce that?
Poliev?
phil labonte
I think so.
tim pool
As Sheriff of Canada, we need 2A, and we need the First Amendment before we lose it all.
Hey, you know what, man?
I gotta tell you, y'all up in Quebec, you had an opportunity.
Okay?
You had an opportunity.
You said no.
nick sortor
I don't know if I want Canada.
Do you want Canada?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
As a vassal state?
phil labonte
We already have Canada.
nick sortor
The problem is they let everybody into Canada.
Canada is a, at this point, it's been taken over by people from other countries.
It's not even on the same scale that it's happening in the United States.
tim pool
I think, so here's what we do.
We seize Canada, we invade, and then what we do is, within 90 miles of the northern border, Those people are given an option to gain American citizenship through the standard citizenship protocols.
And so that's basically almost all of the population of Canada.
Then the people who enter illegally are allowed to go to Canada, north of that line.
And we invest in setting up cities.
And I think that includes Calgary and stuff like that.
But...
And then we say, if you want to come here, what you're going to do is we're going to place you in the north of Canada where we can build cities, and there's a lot of resources that need to be mined.
I'm not saying, I'm only half kidding.
I mean, if we were like, let's go mine for oil in Canada, I'm not really suggesting we invade and take over Canada, but if we were like, if you want to come to this country legally through a real process, we're going to be setting up an oil mining town in Alaska, and that's where you're going.
nick sortor
Honestly, they're definitely going to self-deport at that point.
So that's perfect.
I like your strategy.
I like your plan.
Self-deport.
tim pool
But this is what Trump is saying.
He says we want immigration.
We want it legally.
And so what does that mean?
Legal immigration needs to put people in places where there's economic need and where it doesn't strain local communities and put a burden on infrastructure.
So if we're investing in, say, like an oil drilling town and we need people to do the job, we can be like, we'll give you temporary worker status.
You can go work in these areas.
Right now there's nothing there and we need to invest and grow those areas.
That's how you do it.
nick sortor
So part of that is actually the Democrat, or you're not saying that this is the same thing, but they're trying to use that argument and saying, okay, well, we need to flood Springfield, Ohio, which I spent a lot of time in, importing all these Haitians because Americans won't work for the amount of money that the Haitians do.
Well, because the Haitians are paid $2 an hour in Springfield, Ohio.
tim pool
It's a lie that Americans don't want to do these jobs.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I'm saying it's like if we want to just invest in infrastructure and areas with low population, we can just—we've got a thousand people just across the border right now.
How many of you want to go to Alaska?
nick sortor
Well, you hear about Trump's Freedom Cities, didn't you?
tim pool
What's that?
nick sortor
Nobody heard about Trump's Freedom Cities?
Where he said about last year that he wanted to set up 10 cities in the United States that were going to be models for the world.
I don't know if that's going to happen.
I haven't heard anything about it since.
But he put out a whole video on it.
Whole video on Freedom Cities.
I won't go through the entire thing, but you should definitely look into it at some point.
tim pool
Greenland.
unidentified
Greenland has come back onto the table.
nick sortor
And what's Denmark gonna do about it?
Good luck stopping us.
tim pool
Isn't it kind of wild that Denmark actually has dominion over Greenland?
phil labonte
Denmark?
Yeah, Denmark.
nick sortor
Denmark's this big, Greenland's this big.
How does that work?
tim pool
They had a bunch of Vikings, I guess, went there and...
phil labonte
Took over.
nick sortor
Stolen land.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Jaguar is owned by Tata Motors, an Indian automaker.
nick sortor
Yes, it is.
tim pool
So they may know less about our market than the Brits.
phil labonte
I mean, like I said earlier, they're not going to market to people that are, you know, Gen Z. They're marketing to millennials and Gen X. They're certainly not marketing to Indians, because if there's anything I know about Indians, it's they are less likely to buy a car with that sort of marketing, especially in the United States.
nick sortor
So I don't know where they're going with that one.
tim pool
All right, Wilt says, Univision will purchase MSNBC. Mark my words.
phil labonte
Univision, huh?
tim pool
Yeah, Univision.
brett dasovic
More consolidation.
nick sortor
You think they actually continue to go through with that sale?
Knowing that Elon Musk...
How are we going to outbid Elon Musk?
He's challenging them at this point.
tim pool
Is he really going to buy it though?
phil labonte
I don't think that he's going to buy it.
It doesn't make any sense.
brett dasovic
It's a great meme, but it doesn't make any sense.
nick sortor
Okay, but the meme value is priceless.
So, I don't know.
brett dasovic
Twitter had meme value and solid choices behind it because there was a lot of information that needed to pass through Twitter.
tim pool
There's one move.
There's one.
And it's not putting Joe Rogan and Rachel Maddow's show with the glasses.
It's buying MSNBC and just giving it to Alex Jones.
nick sortor
To Alex Jones, yeah.
tim pool
That's the only real meme you can do.
No way Elon does it.
nick sortor
I'm just going to say it's much more possible than you think it is.
tim pool
That he puts Alex Jones on MSNBC? That's all I'm going to say.
nick sortor
I will not say anything further.
brett dasovic
If the idea here is that it has to maintain itself, right?
So it needs to sell ad space, and you're not going to sell ad space.
tim pool
No, it's got carriage fees.
So if Alex is basically running a broadcast with minimal technology, it's dirt cheap these days, and you've got carriage fees, I would say this.
The most demoralizing thing to the woke mind virus would be buying MSNBC and putting Alex Jones on it.
Because right now they're hooting about how Onions got it and they're going to win and they shut down Alex Jones.
Elon, hear me, if you do this, it will be one of the greatest things and it would be the final nail in the coffin of wokeness.
nick sortor
This is presidential medal of freedom type stuff.
phil labonte
Do it!
nick sortor
Do it!
phil labonte
You could buy it and then, I mean, obviously you could simulcast on the Infowars channel or on the internet as well as on the regular...
tim pool
buy it for, there's guaranteed revenue coming in, which is why it's going to be a bit more expensive, because they're going to factor that in.
But if you buy MSNBC and you treat it seriously and put real shows on it, actually put real content on it, you'll recover some viewership.
Fox has viewership.
And then you give Alex Jones a primetime slot.
Or actually, what was Jones' slot?
It was like noon, wasn't it?
nick sortor
11 to 2?
tim pool
Yeah, just do that.
And that would be the crying from these people.
They would be completely demoralized.
nick sortor
I mean, I think that might be the nail in the coffin there.
I think that's what needs to be done.
phil labonte
I wish.
nick sortor
It ain't my money, so of course I'm telling you, Elon, spend your money.
I'm not going to do it.
tim pool
If I had the money to buy MSNBC, I would do that in two seconds.
Two seconds.
I wish.
Maybe that's why we've got to make a billion dollars or something.
nick sortor
Well, we can start a GoFundMe like the DNC. Maybe we can...
tim pool
Let's ask ChatGPT what MSNBC is worth.
What is MSNBC worth if it were to sell?
Let's see if they can give me an answer.
Searching.
They don't know.
Around $46.4 million, considering their revenue streams.
nick sortor
That is pathetic!
TimCast might be worth more than that!
unidentified
Wow!
nick sortor
Her YouTube show.
I mean, that is wild.
That's wildly low.
phil labonte
If that's the case...
tim pool
All her daddy did a bigger contract than that.
phil labonte
If that's the case, then all you need is just backers.
Because that's how Elon...
Obviously, he's got a lot of property to back up his $44 million on Twitter.
tim pool
There are people in Musk's network who have the means.
Vivek Ramaswamy could do it.
Vivek bought BuzzFeed, so I bought BuzzFeed stock.
I made a bunch of money.
nick sortor
But, you know, so I don't know.
I don't know.
How are they going to do it?
So Comcast wants to spin off MSNBC. Do they say all their cable channels?
So do you get CNBC, too?
Because CNBC actually is worth some money.
So CNBC is...
tim pool
Yeah, but I disagree.
I mean, technically, yes, but for how much longer?
nick sortor
Well, I mean, you fire Jim Cramer and you add a lot of value to it.
brett dasovic
There you go.
Gwyneth Paltrow has that brand Goop with all the creepy products.
That sold for like $250 million.
phil labonte
Good grief.
brett dasovic
So if she can sell that for $250 million.
tim pool
She was probably selling a lot of product.
Like the thing where the women would jam it up in them.
That's weird stuff.
brett dasovic
But I don't know.
tim pool
What do I know?
I'm just a guy.
brett dasovic
All of these, what was it, Caller Daddy sold for $100 million or more than that.
All of these valuations on these things are enormous at the time, but then you get MSNBC, which doesn't have any growth because Caller Daddy is a podcast, which is on a platform that is growing in viewership, whereas terrestrial media is collapsing.
nick sortor
Well, think about Joe Rogan.
Would Joe Rogan sell the license to his podcast to Spotify for, like, a year for $100 million?
A one-year license to his content on Spotify?
tim pool
Well, I think his deal right now is two years.
brett dasovic
The original one was...
tim pool
The original one was, like, two years for...
brett dasovic
$250?
tim pool
Something like that.
brett dasovic
No, it was $150 million.
tim pool
Uh...
brett dasovic
Somebody in the chat is correcting us right now.
tim pool
Yeah, but I know the deal he has now is Spotify controls the ad sales, but it's like 200-something million over three.
nick sortor
And it's not exclusive!
brett dasovic
No, he can use YouTube again.
tim pool
No, no, no, they own his advertising.
That's why.
Oh, gotcha, gotcha.
That's why when he did the Trump episode...
He unlisted it on YouTube because it's supposed to go simultaneous on all platforms, and there was an issue on Spotify, so he paused it on the other platforms to try and get Spotify to work.
Because Spotify, I think the deal was, I could be wrong, but they bought the ad rights to the show, so he gets a guaranteed amount of money.
And then when he does ad reads, it's Spotify in full control.
And then I think the way it works is until he makes more in ads than they pay him, he's just getting that flat guarantee.
But I could be wrong.
I don't know.
I read it on the internet, so it's not right.
My friends, we are getting to that time.
So I'll try and grab one more Super Chat because it's almost time for the holidays.
phil labonte
There's an announcement.
Trump has nominated Dr. Bhattacharya to drive the NBA. Oh, that's right.
tim pool
I saw that.
phil labonte
So that's a big deal.
tim pool
And this is a guy who wrote about stopping the lockdowns.
And so everybody's like, this is it.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's a big deal.
tim pool
So we'll just grab one last Super Chat here.
Askabout says, I believe you were speaking to Anselm's ontological arguments and not Aquinas five ways.
Anselm said God is a being than which nothing greater can be conceived.
Well, specifically it was told to me, and then I looked it up, that Aquinas had made the argument about logic.
My view is that human understanding of logic doesn't apply to any God that created this universe.
I understand the Christian argument, I just don't believe it.
The argument being that logic is a component of God's nature, and that's why God has created the That's why the universe flows in such a way.
I don't see God as being limited in those ways.
I think God's ability to create is beyond our comprehension of creation itself.
I believe that the ability God has to create a universe exceeds the concept of creation in general.
But that's just me.
So I'll wrap it up there, my friends.
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Time to go spend time with family.
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We've got tons of great content still to come in the rest of the year.
But at the end of the year, it's always rough.
But we are going to be at AmFest.
So that will be in Phoenix.
December 20th will be live on stage.
Super excited.
Shout out to Charlie Kirk.
Really do appreciate it.
And yeah, smash that like button.
Nick, do you want to shout anything out?
nick sortor
Yeah, shout it out here.
I want to wish everybody in Western North Carolina, we're going to give you a great Thanksgiving.
We're going back down there.
We're going to do a hole in Yancey County, Western North Carolina, where they've been neglected and screwed royally by FEMA and the Biden administration.
And, you know, they continue to lie about it.
Say that people there want to be living in tents and that they don't want to come out.
That's what FEMA said today.
Obviously a total lie, so we're going to help them out a little bit as well.
Find me on X. It's pretty much the only platform that I post on because I get banned on any of the other ones.
It's at Nick Sorter, N-I-C-K-S-O-R-T-O-R. Appreciate you, Tim.
brett dasovic
It's horrible I saw that photo.
Guys, if you want to follow me on Instagram and Twix, on both of those platforms, there is currently a photo of the dreaded cat tagged on there.
As much as I love her, it's just not a photo I want to look at on a regular basis.
I'll see her when I get home.
Otherwise, you should check out Pop Culture Crisis, which is normally five days a week, Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.
Eastern, noon Pacific.
We did just finish up the show for the week, again, because we're off, but we did a three-hour Thanksgiving Day special today.
We had a lot of People from the company came through.
Phil was there.
He hung out.
phil labonte
He was there.
brett dasovic
It was a lot of fun, so go and check out that episode and subscribe to the channel if you have not done so already.
Also, you can listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and rate and review on there.
Thanks, guys.
phil labonte
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They're all up there on the old YouTube and stuff.
So, oh yeah, and don't forget, The Left Lane is for Crying.
unidentified
You guys can follow me at KellenPDL.
Go and, since we're going to be off, go and check the Culture War episode we just did last Friday about Flat Earth.
And we had Alex Stein, Dr. Robert Sunjias, is that how you say it?
tim pool
Jairus, maybe?
unidentified
Jairus.
tim pool
He's the theologian I was talking about.
unidentified
Yeah, go check it out.
It was a great episode.
tim pool
Yeah, and it was a geocentrist, a flat earther, and a conventional science enthusiast, a PhD neuroscientist, and amateur astronomer.
So it was a fun show.
And then Alex was nuts.
But he's always fun.
All right, everybody.
I hope you have the best time on your holidays.
And you just tell your family that you love them and don't let the political stuff get in the way.
Thanks for hanging out.
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