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Sept. 26, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Secret Service STOOD DOWN During Trump Assassination Attempt Says Report w/CJ Pearson | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
I can't say I'm surprised by any of this.
Kind of, but not really.
The Senate report has come out and it shows that the Secret Service had credible intelligence of the threat against Trump.
They witnessed police running towards the would-be assassin in Butler with their guns drawn.
And somehow, in every single instance, the Secret Service stood down.
They had credible intelligence.
They didn't really raise the threat level.
They saw a guy walking around with a rangefinder.
No increase in threat level.
But I think one of the most damning things is that despite knowing that law enforcement were running down a guy armed with a rifle while people were screaming, they still stood down.
None of it makes sense.
We're going to go through all of this.
It is an absolutely insane story.
We've got another guy who was just arrested threatening to take Trump's life.
The Iran story.
The background details on this is all absolutely insane.
A Secret Service agent got drunk and assaulted a Kamala staffer.
Like, I don't know what is going on.
But we're gonna have to break this down.
And then there's this viral story about how Diddy was buying lube in bulk.
I'm sorry, he's buying baby oil in bulk.
And his lawyer's like, don't make fun of him!
He was going to Costco!
That's why he was doing it.
And then Mark Zuckerberg says he's a libertarian, hires a Republican strategy firm to rehabilitate his image.
Sure.
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Joining us today, tonight, to talk about this and so much more is CJ Pearson.
cj pearson
What's up, guys?
Thanks for having me, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
cj pearson
Yeah, my name's CJ.
I was formerly with PragerU.
I currently serve as the co-chairman of the Republican National Committee Youth Advisory Council, and so I've had the opportunity to work with the president and the campaign on how we get young people to turn out and vote in November, and it's been going incredibly well.
I think there are a lot of young people, especially among Generation Z, who are tired of the woke nonsense and frankly can't afford to support Kamala Harris again.
We can't afford groceries, can't afford rent, can't afford to own a home in Kamala.
tim pool
Hooters!
cj pearson
Yeah.
Hooters is going out of business.
If that's a barometer of where America's going, I think it hasn't been any clearer that we're in decline.
tim pool
They're saying they may be in a downturn where they have to start shuttering locations.
And I think that's going to wake a lot of people up.
cj pearson
I think it will.
I think it will.
tim pool
Ian's hanging out in a blue jacket.
ian crossland
Yeah, they had great wings.
tim pool
Hi.
ian crossland
Oh, thank you.
We both wore blue.
tim pool
Everyone says they had great wings.
I don't buy it.
I never liked them.
ian crossland
It was the sauce.
I remember Hooters buffalo sauce being really good in like 2004.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure the Hooters has good wings was just a way for guys to try and justify going there.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I thought!
ian crossland
It was the wings, Hannah.
hannah claire brimelow
They would, like, say it every time.
We'd be like, oh yeah, Hooters.
I was like, do you actually like the food there?
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Like, no judgment if you go.
hannah claire brimelow
And they'd be like, no, no, the food is really good.
ian crossland
Sexy, delicious wings.
I loved sitting there and just eating those wings.
tim pool
Well, Ian, if Kamala wins, we will have no more hooters.
ian crossland
That's disturbing.
Absolutely disturbing.
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tim pool
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tim pool
Is a dream come true?
cj pearson
I need y'all to explain magic to me.
I've been so lost with just listening.
We will.
tim pool
No one cares.
And so we'll save the boring, esoteric gaming stuff here.
ian crossland
Yes, we're talking about doing a Magic the Gathering show, so let's get to it.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm hanging out.
I can't tell you about magic, but it is definitely something people feel passionately about.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
I'm also on the show.
Thanks for everything you guys do.
Let's get started.
tim pool
All right, here's the story from the New York Post.
And this is just one story in a plethora of stories where we keep learning that the Secret Service either did not do their job for some ridiculous reasons, like why weren't they doing drone detection?
Well, someone forgot to bring a cable, and so they were calling tech support, but tech support wouldn't answer.
So they just said, you know what?
We don't need to stop the guy who's flying a drone or doing whatever it is he's doing.
Then we got this other crazy report.
Take a look at this one.
Secret Service was informed of Crook's 27 minutes before shots were fired, never told Trump to get off the stage.
Quote, shortly before shots were fired, Secret Service counter-snipers saw local law enforcement running towards the AGR building with their guns drawn, but he did not alert former President Trump's protective detail to remove him from the stage.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna go there.
A lot of people are too scared to go here.
You get these prominent conservatives and they're gonna be like, well, I don't wanna say that, I'm not going that far.
The reporting the other day was from Time Magazine, Iran, and the New York Times.
Here you go, New York Times.
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U.S.
tim pool
detected potential Iranian plot to kill Trump separate from Saturday's shooting.
This is July 16th.
The reporting has later come out, now Time is saying, that the day before the shooting, they arrested this guy for organizing a hit on Donald Trump.
Instructed Secret Service to increase their security.
The very next day, Secret Service, in every facet, stands down at key moments.
You're not going to convince me this was an accident.
I have long said, I prefer Occam's Razor, no conspiracy theories.
The simple solution tends... I'm sorry, let's be very correct.
In the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be correct.
Which would be, in my opinion, not that The Feds instructed the Secret Service, hey, there's an assassination plot against Donald Trump.
We just arrested the guy who organized it.
Be on the lookout and increase your security.
And then they went, okay, and then didn't do it accidentally?
How do you not do it?
Negligence?
Every single agent just doesn't do it.
Then you have a guy flying a drone around.
Well, you know, our drone detection wasn't working.
Okay, you didn't see every every it's remarkable.
It was it was it was an act of demonic possession or satanic intervention, where every Secret Service agent was stricken blind, deaf and dumb all at the same moment.
And they couldn't see the drone flying over Trump's rally.
hannah claire brimelow
Their system wasn't set up.
They couldn't use their eyes.
tim pool
There's a text message from Secret Service saying, hey, someone just followed our lead in.
They saw him sneaking around you.
I'm sorry.
You make way too many assumptions in Secret Service was told as an assassination plot the day before they arrested the guy.
And then the next day, they're like, let's not do anything we're supposed to do to keep Trump safe.
Sounds like, in my opinion, the simple solution is a high ranking official.
Who was coordinating needed only restrict the full scope of security.
Meaning, why were there no Secret Service agents on the roof?
Because the run-of-the-mill agents, whose job is not logistics and coordination, just said, hey boss, where do you want me?
And he says, I'm gonna need you guys positioned up over here, and we'll communicate by radio.
And they go, you got it.
All of the rank-and-file dudes just assumed everything was taken care of, but now we're seeing the lead Secret Service agent at Trump's butler rally knew of the threat and didn't raise the alarm.
It's exactly what I said, exactly what I predicted.
Here's the best part.
When they were getting these Secret Service agents to testify, they all basically refused or could not say who was in charge.
Now that was the craziest element of the story.
They were all just like, we don't know who's in charge.
Not a single one of them could come out and explain who gave them the orders and how this went down.
I'm sorry.
The simple solution here is in some degree, official capacity.
It makes sense.
And it's terrifying.
Look, there's that survey that shows 28% of Democrats believe, I think it was you, Gov, who did the survey, that the country would be better off if Trump was killed.
It's horrifying.
So it takes one Secret Service agent to just be like, stand down?
They knew the plot was happening?
I'm sorry, I can't make any other conclusions.
But you know what?
I'm crazy.
I'm wrong.
None of it's true.
Stop listening to me.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's telling that Senator Chris Blumenthal, who's a Democrat from Connecticut, has been saying for weeks now the public is going to be shocked by this.
And he's been saying all of these federal agencies are stonewalling this investigation.
In his comment today, he said, A man died, a former president was almost killed, and it was completely preventable from the outset.
I mean, it is bizarre to me that there is so many, like, examples in this report where it's just so – it feels like if it was this preventable, why do we fund this agency?
Because they're clearly very bad.
There's – one of the examples that some of the reporting has given is that the – you Secret Service knew from the beginning that the local snipers were planning on setting up inside the building rather than on top.
They didn't station their own person there.
They didn't ask them to be on top of it.
I think that was one of the big questions from the outset.
Like, there is a rooftop near a presidential candidate, near President Trump.
Why was it left available for occupancy?
And the answer is the Secret Service let it be available.
And then in the days after you get Kim Cheadle, the former director, she's obviously resigned over this, who said, You know, the buck stops with us, the Secret Service, but also local law enforcement was in charge of that building.
I mean, they really set local law enforcement up to take the fall for this.
And that, again, speaks to this overwhelming culture of wanting to avoid responsibility that we are now getting bipartisan confirmation of.
It's not like Republicans are out there wagging their fingers.
It's Democrats who are joining in and saying the Secret Service messed up in an inexcusable way.
cj pearson
And I think this problem is, you know, systemic, right?
Because I think people, you know, forget that the Secret Service has had many scandals and many different administrations as well.
There was the prostitution scandal abroad that rocked the agency during the Obama years, and now we're having this.
But Tim, to give you a little bit of solace here, I think conspiracy theorists, we're conspiracy theorists today, but the truth teller is tomorrow.
And I think that's exactly what's happening here.
It doesn't make any sense to try to explain away what just absolutely seems like common sense.
Why would you not secure the rooftop?
Why would you not make sure there were agents there who had a clear view of the president, able to take him out?
And also too, if he knew that the assassin or the would-be assassin was there, why did he not make the call to go neutralize him immediately?
tim pool
They arrested this guy the day before, a Pakistani with Iranian ties, for organizing a hit on Donald Trump, told the Secret Service of the plot.
Matt Gaetz revealed, I think it was, who was it, was it Posobiec, that there's five Or was it Benny Johnson?
There's five assassination teams in the United States targeting Donald Trump.
cj pearson
Matt Gaetz, yeah.
tim pool
Matt Gaetz was talking about this.
And now we've of course got that confirmation.
Donald Trump has come out and said he was briefed by the Director of National Intelligence that he is being targeted for this.
So you go back to July.
They knew this was happening.
And then the Secret Service Doesn't put their agents on the rooftop.
The local law enforcement said four days prior, they told them to get guys up there.
They didn't do it.
They watched the cops run with their guns drawn and they do nothing.
That is a stand down.
ian crossland
When they arrested that Pakistani dude, who was they that arrested the Pakistani dude?
tim pool
Pretty sure it was the FBI.
ian crossland
And then they told the Secret Service, and Secret Service serves under the Department of Homeland Security.
tim pool
Yes.
Is Secret Service Homeland?
hannah claire brimelow
Under Homeland Security.
ian crossland
And FBI's not under Homeland Security?
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
They are under Homeland Security?
tim pool
Pretty sure they all are, yeah.
cj pearson
They're under DOJ.
tim pool
They're under the Department of Justice.
FBI does not work with Homeland Security?
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No.
cj pearson
They're under the different jurisdictions.
So they're under the DOJ.
ian crossland
Homeland Security is like a newer organization that was formed right after 9-11.
They were like, uh-oh, we need a new type of defense.
And I'm like, do we?
We already have the FBI.
tim pool
It was coordination.
All these different federal agencies were operating independently and they wanted coordination between them.
hannah claire brimelow
And the current head of the Department of Homeland Security, Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, was impeached by the House for being derelict in duty because of the crisis at the southern border.
I mean, there have been concerns about how the Department of Homeland Security is being managed for All of the Biden administration.
I don't know why it would be surprising that yet another component of this would be vulnerable, whether that's because they are not good at their jobs or because they're intentionally leaving gaps in Trump's security.
I know we don't want to make accusations, but it just seems like at a certain point, if it wasn't intentional, it's so careless that it's like, This should be a completely defunded department.
ian crossland
After 9-11, man, the way that they locked down and created all this... First of all, if there's terrorist cells trying to kill Donald Trump, those are domestic terrorist organizations.
They need to be targeted as such.
Secondly, I'm just always like, what is the point of homeland security?
Why did they make it?
What is it for?
That's what FBI is, is providing homeland security.
That's the FBI's job.
tim pool
Well, let me help you out, good Sir Ian, with some enlightening information.
The DHS consists of the Customs Service, Immigration, you've got Federal Protective Services, like Federal Police, you've got Transit Security, Law Enforcement Training Center, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, Strategic National Stockpile, National Disaster Medical System, Nuclear Incident Response Teams, Domestic Emergency Support Teams, the Center for Domestic Preparedness, CBRN Countermeasures, the Department of Energy thing.
And so, you get the general idea.
They had a bunch of different, uh... U.S.
Coast Guard was under the Department of Transportation.
I don't know.
We can certainly make the argument about the expansion of executive authority going too far, but the Coast Guard operating the Department of Transportation seems kind of weird to me.
I think maybe Department of Homeland Security kind of makes sense in bringing in security apparatus into one area.
ian crossland
They call it Homeland Security, but they'll call things different names than what they're actually doing.
I don't know why they made that organization.
Why did they centralize authority like they did?
tim pool
Well, the Department of Defense is actually the Department of Offense.
And everybody knows it.
ian crossland
It has become that.
It absolutely has become that.
tim pool
It became that a long time ago.
ian crossland
They might as well just come out and rename it the Department of Offense.
I mean, whatever, at this point.
tim pool
I'd actually respect that.
It's like, well, you know, we haven't declared a war.
cj pearson
It used to be the Department of War, right?
And then they, of course, changed the name.
hannah claire brimelow
I think we should re-run back to the Department of War.
I think that's the best one.
cj pearson
Let's just be honest with our branding here, right?
tim pool
Let's just call it that.
ian crossland
That's what the Founding Fathers called it, yeah?
Department of War?
Yeah.
tim pool
So I have to wonder, with the You know, we had what?
These Secret Service agents all started retiring so they could get their pensions because if these investigations go too far, they could lose their pensions or their retirement or whatever.
I'm wondering if we're going to get any kind of real explanation, because right now what I'm seeing with the Senate report, nobody wants to bring up the elephant in the room.
And that is, it appears the Secret Service agents, and I believe this is the most reasonable conclusion but may not be correct, were hoping that Trump's life would be lost.
hannah claire brimelow
Which is crazy because he's still dependent on the Secret Service for protection, right?
The fact that this is even a question and that's who is still in charge of security, at least for me, seems like, you know, shouldn't we bring in a third party here?
Do we have, like, the SEAL team that's available to secure him for a little while?
tim pool
Trump doesn't want private security.
hannah claire brimelow
I know, which is like, I mean, on the one hand, I understand that there is a level of like, if he is going to be the president and the Secret Service remains in place, you don't want to create a relationship with them where you are antagonizing them.
I mean, even after the first assassination attempt, His whole family came out and said there are really great agents.
They made what I felt like was a pretty clear distinction between the overarching bureaucracy of the Secret Service and the agents who have been assigned to their specific details.
And even in the report, there's a part where they say that Trump's detail had requested basically a certain amount of reinforcements and extra support and they had been denied that by corporate at the top Secret Service.
I think Trump is in a very difficult position where he is both dependent on the agents and also has an understanding from the inside that it's like a lot of parts of the federal bureaucracy.
Some agents are working honestly and some are not.
tim pool
Trump to return to Butler Fairgrounds where first assassination attempt occurred for October 5th rally.
And that's big news, but I do have some concerns here.
I'm worried about how they're going, they're going to need a wheelbarrow for Trump's nuts to, you know, try and get him back on stage again.
This guy's testosterone, and I'm waiting for all the left to lose their mind over me saying this.
Trump's got, I think he's got a defect, he's got hypergonadism or something.
Too much testosterone.
Dude, you are nearly 80, they have tried to kill you twice, and he does not stop.
I'm joking and intentionally being silly, but by all means leftists, go ahead and run with those clips.
Trump's brave.
This is brave, and he's confident.
To come back to this place, to be fair, lightning ain't gonna strike twice, but this is an open field, and that water tower, whether it's part of, there's a conspiracy theory about it or not, whether it is involved or, you know, some people think there's a guy up there, I don't know about any of that stuff.
There's still a serious vantage point.
Trump is going out in the open once again to the same place.
I think it sends a powerful, powerful message, and I respect it.
cj pearson
Sum it up, it's BDE in every sense of the word.
And I think also, too, he is the move over 50 cent.
You know, I think he is literally daring all these people who have quite literally wished death upon him, continue to wish death upon him.
And, you know, you're talking about kind of this bureaucratic, you know, dereliction of duty to protect the president.
What we also saw yesterday was the DOJ.
I believe they released the letter that was talking about the bounty on his head, a head of this rally is absolutely insane. That was one of the
stories where I was just like, this is just, it's becoming like, you can't deny what you're
seeing right now. This is, this is, I don't know, it's just negligence, but it's so
negligent that I don't think, I think we got to use a higher degree of language to start
to describe it now.
ian crossland
It seems like it's more than that. What was the bounty on his head?
cj pearson
I think it's $150,000.
From who?
What is this?
unidentified
It's a second assassination attempt.
tim pool
The second assassin put a box in some guy's house with a note in it that basically said, world, I failed you, but he's offering up $150,000 to anybody else who would try and harm Trump.
But ain't nobody's got that money, and it's not a real bounty.
cj pearson
Iran has that money.
tim pool
Yeah, but is the presumption that this guy's going to get Iran to pay up?
I don't know.
The Iranian plot was a million dollars.
You don't need this guy's crackpot nonsense.
So a lot of people are saying, oh, why is the DOJ putting out this information as a bounty?
I'm like, because it proves Trump is under threat of assassination, and it triggered the Democrats and the Republicans coming together unanimously to give more security to Donald Trump.
A bunch of people were, for real, all over Twitter were saying, you know, with the Covenant shooter they wouldn't release the manifesto, they're putting a target on Trump's back, and I'm like, no, they just forced Democrats to fund Trump's security detail.
I think that's a good thing.
cj pearson
But don't you think they could have done that in a classified briefing, though, with those members of, like, the Appropriations Committee in the House and the Senate?
tim pool
Yeah, but I think, I overall think the publishing of that letter by the DOJ is good for Donald Trump, and it's good for the right, and it's bad for the Democrat narrative.
They're trying to push the lie.
So the Quinnipiac poll that came out the other day shows that 90% of Democrats fear violence after the election.
Why do Democrats fear violence?
It's Antifa and leftists who are engaged in the majority of it because the media keeps screaming in their faces that the far-right neo-Nazis are coming for them.
This narrative is being turned on its head because, in fact, it's now been repeatedly liberal-aligned individuals.
That guy, the second assassin, had a Biden-Harris sticker on his car, on his truck or whatever.
So this is flipping that narrative.
I think it's good that we're getting the transparency.
Now, I think it serves the interests of the DOJ for what I don't know.
I'm not going to trust them.
But I say take what you can get and maximize your opportunities.
Like, use this as evidence of what we all know is true.
hannah claire brimelow
I love that Trump is going back to Butler.
I think that's really cool.
And I also think it shows a level of authenticity and political messaging that his campaign is able to pull off, that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz definitely can't and Biden never could.
I mean, think about Biden, the last time they tried to make Biden seem really tough and strong.
To me, I think of that.
That event he did in Philadelphia where he stood in front of the podium and there was like those crazy dictator lights behind him.
I mean they tried to position him as like this strong man and he's really not, whereas this is an example of like true strength.
Trump is returning to a place where something really awful happened.
I mean it wasn't just that he was shot, two other men in the crowd were shot, plus Corey Comptor lost his life.
And he's saying, like, I think this is symbolic of the energy that Americans are looking for in their candidates, that there is sort of a, I will not back down, even when I have a lot to lose myself.
So much of, I feel like the way a lot of politicians message right now is like, well, I'm afraid that it will upset my constituents.
Oh, well, I'm afraid of this.
And people don't want that.
cj pearson
I want to go.
He's also saying when you come for the king, you better not miss.
And I think that's an incredible thing to see.
And I think he's actually just living out the words that he said when he was lifted,
you know, when he stood up off the ground in Butler before.
He's going to continue to fight, fight, fight.
And I think that type of energy is infectious, especially when you have, you know, I was,
I really believe that the attempts of the left is making to kill this man are not just
to actually end his life, but to actually scare people away from his rallies, scare
people away from his events, to create this idea that people are running away from Trump,
that they're running away from supporting his campaign.
That's actually not true.
I think his base is extremely fired up.
Everywhere you go, you hear people saying, I'm going to vote for the one that they keep trying to kill.
And rightfully so, because why are all these people trying to kill this man?
Because he represents the gravest threat to the deep state and everything they believe in, everything they stand for, which is diametrically opposed to the interests of the American people.
tim pool
I want to go to the rally.
hannah claire brimelow
I do too.
I think we should.
cj pearson
You're braver than me.
tim pool
I mean, I feel like this is probably the safest place imaginable.
You know, if anything were to happen at this rally, I have... Well, actually, you know, maybe I take that back.
I don't know if there are powerful interests that want to see the United States fall.
I would not be surprised, considering the policies they put in place and the way they spend money.
So maybe they do want chaos, but I don't know, man, if Trump's going to be there, why wouldn't anybody else?
You know what I mean?
It's on a Saturday, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's on a Saturday.
cj pearson
Is this the same venue as well?
tim pool
I'm pretty, yeah, butler fairgrounds.
He's going back.
He's going back.
It's going to be nuts.
It's going to be the biggest rally he's ever done.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I think a lot of people will travel to it because again, it's this, it's this retaking of something that was, could have been awful, you know, could have, I mean, it was awful already, but it could have been catastrophic.
And he is saying like, we won't back down.
And I think that feeds again, he is more authentically able to pull off this courageous, like we are going to face hard things as a country and overcome them energy that again, Americans want right now.
Kamala Harris will tell you every day, like, I'm going to have an opportunity economy and hope and change and whatever else.
But she's lying to you.
I mean, she's part of the current administration that is leaving a lot of Americans economically devastated.
She's not acknowledging the problems at the border.
She flip flops on every issues.
And sort of to your point, she took time out of her debate when she should have been presenting herself as someone with specific and thought out policies to the American voters to say, well, people don't even go to Trump's rallies.
People leave them.
They don't even want to be there.
Everyone knows that's not true.
tim pool
I think this is going to be historic.
Now, I don't know, because I don't want to make any kind of grandiose predictions, but I have to imagine this is the rally to be at.
If you've ever been to a rally, if you've never been to a rally, this is the rally you want to go to.
ian crossland
There's another big one coming up on the 29th.
Do you guys restore the republic or something?
tim pool
Oh yeah, that's not Trump though.
No, it's just another... It's like Russell Brand and Angela McArdle.
Is Tucker there?
I think so, yeah.
cj pearson
He shared it yesterday.
ian crossland
What's it called?
tim pool
Restore the Republic.
Something about the Republic.
Bret Weinstein's there.
hannah claire brimelow
September 29th or October?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah, coming up this weekend.
It's kind of like a coalition rally of people from different aspects of reality coming together.
tim pool
Well, it's the disaffected liberals mostly coming with some conservatives to talk about the, you know, I think, is RFK Jr.
going to be there?
I would be surprised.
But this Butler rally I think has the potential to be something that will be written down in the history books.
cj pearson
Something gonna be big.
Like, this has never before happened, right?
tim pool
Well, I mean, just think about what history would write of this election cycle.
Donald Trump is shot in the side of the head.
And look, I always talk about how history is condensed.
When you're reading about history, you know, the Battle of Fort Sumter and then that led to the Battle of Manassas and it's like, whoa, how long apart was that?
It wasn't like five minutes later, they all ran up to D.C.
and they were getting ready for war.
Probably there was a period of calm and people didn't think it was going to happen.
They're going to write in the history books, they're going to say in July 13th, 2024, a gunman struck Donald Trump in the side of the head.
He would later go on to return to the rally for a historic moment on October 5th, and you will read that in one paragraph.
ian crossland
When Teddy Roosevelt got shot during giving a speech, he just finished the speech.
That's the story he tells.
Did they catch the guy that shot him and that's why he wasn't taken off stage?
They knew that the would-be assassin was handled?
tim pool
Yeah, that's what happened.
ian crossland
When Trump got back up and put his hand in the air, I think that was very stupid.
Sometimes bravery and stupidity go hand in hand, and then you lose your commander.
Your brave commander's gone because he was too stupid.
There could have been other gunmen.
That could have been the last moment of his life.
It was brave, yes, but you have to balance bravery with intelligence.
And there are times when you retreat as a brave man, and it's called a tactical retreat, because you can reposition to come back into the situation.
tim pool
Ian, I have a question for you.
ian crossland
Yeah, please.
tim pool
I'd like you to imagine a bunch of, let's just say, elvish writers, you know, and they're standing in the fields charging towards the orcs.
And their leader, seeing them be outflanked and their numbers being decimated, knows that he needs to lead one last charge, for if the orcs go forth, they will destroy their homeland of Elftown or whatever.
ian crossland
Like 300.
tim pool
And so the leader raises the flag and runs full speed towards an entire army, knowing he may not make it, but the people need to see that their leader is standing on the front line in the face of danger, refusing to back down.
So I hear this from people like anybody who stands up when they're getting shot as a moron.
Trump's a leader.
I don't think Trump is a moron.
I think Trump's instinct is to stand up and raise his fist in the face of mortal danger and yell fight.
Trump is as silly as it sounds because he does not present this as this reality TV comedy guy.
Like if you watch the old commercials he's in eating pizza backwards or whatever.
He gets shot in the side of the head and his instinct was that of what we expect from actual leaders to charge.
And I gotta be honest.
A king who needs to lead his country, deciding to go in the front of his battalion and lead a charge into enemy ranks.
Sounds like a moron, doesn't he?
And we praise that behavior.
We say that's bravery.
ian crossland
King Alexander the Great was known for that.
He led the cavalry on the left.
tim pool
Isn't that stupid?
You're charging into an army with no... Like, are you nuts?
ian crossland
It depends, man.
If they survive, they're always called heroes.
If they die, they're forgotten, usually.
tim pool
And Donald Trump stood up after getting shot in the side of the head and decided he was going to yell, fight, fight, fight.
Instead, you know what they wanted?
What they would have loved.
And I say they, the people who hate him and want to see him harmed.
They wanted to see him crouch down, panic and frantically run in a random direction.
ian crossland
And they would have put that on TV and said, what a scared, And you know, you can't really pin that on Trump because that was the Secret Service's job was to hold him down even though his instinct is to get up to stop him from doing it.
Because we know you want to get up, Don.
We know you want to be the leader in the front.
But there are times when it's too dangerous and we have to protect you from your own ego.
But they didn't do it.
They failed.
They failed in their job.
tim pool
I will reiterate.
I think Trump showed leadership qualities when he stood up and yelled, fight, fight, fight.
cj pearson
And I think the president knew the gravity of that moment, right? That like someone,
we didn't know who at the time, had tried to put a bullet into the heart of the MAGA movement. And I
think he knew that he had to stand up and, as you said, reaffirm the crowd, reaffirm those who are
watching. I remember when I saw it on Twitter, I didn't believe that it happened. I thought it was
fake. I was like, there's no way this could happen in 2024 with the level of security that I thought
we enjoyed, especially at those rallies. But But for him to get up, it's just so classically Trump, but also so inhuman.
Who would ever think to do something like that?
I don't know.
He's in a league of his own.
tim pool
I'd love to ask him about it, because I genuinely wonder.
The first thing he says is, let me get my shoes, let me get my shoes.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, that's where I could get Ian being like, okay, buddy, we can leave the shoes behind.
unidentified
Like, that's not the security, but it's so funny.
tim pool
But it's an instinctual reaction.
You know, I've been in a lot of situations that were extremely dangerous.
I've been shot at.
Now, I don't want to say that someone was pointing the gun at me to shoot me.
I was in a crowd in Ferguson and they were shooting in the direction of me and several other people.
We all hit the deck.
And in that moment, You can hear bullets flying, and I was panicking.
And I know how to handle these situations.
And this is all live.
It's on Vice's YouTube.
You can watch the live stream as I'm getting shot at, and I run, you know, through tear gas.
I do not believe I could handle it the same way Trump would, where he knows he's got all of the people who believe in him standing beside him, and his gut reaction first was, let me get my shoes, but then he stands up and says, fight, fight, fight.
For me, I ran.
I ran away.
I was like, oh, I'm being shouted at, what do I do?
Other journalists run towards the bullets.
I'm not going to pretend like I'm better than they are or smarter than them.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I'll tell you what I did.
I think Donald Trump did what a leader needs to do and showed defiance in the face of danger.
ian crossland
He wanted to let the people know he was OK.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I mean, I think even the like, let me get my shoes thing is sort of speaking to the like, I am going to leave this stage with composure and with dignity to show everyone that like, This did not rattle me.
I am bigger than this, which is fascinating.
To be shot and then think everyone here needs me to be strong.
It's like an instinctive reaction.
And again, this is what I think Americans crave in leadership right now.
Someone who is thinking, how can I best serve you?
And I think really that's what Trump did in that moment.
tim pool
Here's a story from the Postmillennial.
Idaho man charged with threatening to kill Trump.
I am going to read what he wrote.
And no one should.
But he basically wrote that he was going to personally go after Donald Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
This man's last name is Crazy Bull.
tim pool
His name is Crazy Bull.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
That's right.
And he's 64.
And apparently he'd been calling Trump's home and said he's going to start driving there and he wants to go after the rapist, Pig Trump.
And that says everything right there.
That the lies from the Democrats, from the media, are driving people to the most extreme circumstances.
ian crossland
It's gotta be what it is.
I've been mulling this over on stream.
I was talking to people about it.
This is the first time I've ever seen the emotions attached to a political president in the United States.
It's always been like Obama.
Brutally insult that guy and people that love them would just be like, okay, that's enough Whatever, but they didn't take it emotionally harmful and people that love this guy will get like physically Hurt if you insult him some of them not everybody and then people that can't stand and will get physically hurt if you If you promote him, and it's, I've never seen this before.
It's like it's architected to be this way through media manipulation.
It's got to be like the people are programmed.
tim pool
In the 2016 cycle, what is it?
93% of stories about Trump were negative.
That was true in 2024, and it's still true today.
The latest analysis that was coming out of I think like ABC News was like 93% negative stories for Trump.
They only ever lie and say negative things about the guy.
ian crossland
And then people are fed up with it and they're getting emotionally defensive for him.
They're like, just don't, just stop.
I've seen it.
I'm done with it.
Quit making fun of him.
Like that kind of energy.
So they're getting upset if you, if you trash him, kind of.
tim pool
There was this really, really funny thing on MSN.
I think it was MSNBC where they were asking union workers about January 6th.
Did you guys see this?
cj pearson
There's just like- February, one said like February 6th or something like that.
tim pool
Someone said that?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
cj pearson
What's that?
tim pool
Yeah, they're just like, what is that?
And they were like, January 6th.
One guy's like, oh, I think I saw that on the news.
And they were like, so does it sound like it matters to you?
He's like, I don't care.
Yeah.
It does not matter to us.
But for a lot of people.
That's why that Quinnipiac poll showed that 90% of Democrats fear violence because MSNBC has just been beaten over the head screaming that it's gonna get bad.
cj pearson
Which is so insane when they're the ones trying to literally kill their political opponents.
Like it's not... Well I would say...
tim pool
I wouldn't say that of MSNBC.
cj pearson
No, no, no.
But a lot of these, you know, progressives and these Democrats who are living in this
perpetual state of fear, it is only one side of the aisle right now that are throwing bullets
around at their political opponents.
You don't see this happening to Kamala Harris.
You don't see this happening to Tim Walz.
It's happening to one political party.
And it's why I get so frustrated when I see those on MSNBC who always try to both sides
this issue.
They're saying both sides need to tamper down the rhetoric.
They all need to be more civil.
No, y'all are the one trying to kill Donald Trump every other week, it seems.
Why do we why is this a both sides issue?
I don't think that it is.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's interesting that the media has I mean, we know it's biased, but they really
do seem to be.
Working with this drama in part because I think it feeds their own viewership.
Like, do you remember during COVID people talked about this a lot?
You would get people saying like, I just had to take a break from watching the news because everything is so horrible, but I feel like I have to be informed and I can't look away.
And I think there are a lot of Americans who feel that way about politics.
They are prone to being anxious or prone to having some sort of unstable emotional reaction
to it.
And so it's being fed, but that also keeps eyes on the mainstream media.
So rather than basically telling the voters, like, yes, politics can affect the outcome
of laws and this is serious and you should go vote, but also you are basically probably
at higher risk of being impacted by the listeria outbreak in America than by actual political
violence.
You know, they say, well, Trump is a danger all the time and you should live in fear.
It's inaccurate and I think it does a disservice to the people who are depending on them, who feel a level of helplessness and look to the mainstream media to give them accurate information.
They're not doing it because it serves their bottom line.
ian crossland
Yeah, I get that vibe too that they're not it's not that the the MSNBC anchors that say things like he's a threat he must be stopped at all costs or whatever these words they're using they're not trying to kill him but they are living in fear and they're making money off of driving viewers that and maybe they deep down I think a lot of people have been driven insane by the media cycle, and in 2020 we saw this.
Like, just make it stop.
But they don't realize that people that are very mentally ill might take that as,
I will do literally anything to stop this man.
tim pool
Like, I think, I think a lot of people have been driven insane by the media cycle.
And in 2020, we saw this, they incorrectly blamed Donald Trump for the
abnormality of society.
Donald Trump is a symptom of what this country has been going through.
He is not the cause of it.
Donald Trump got elected because of the big bank bailouts, because of the needless wars and foreign intervention.
And Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party were manifestations that ultimately, I think, lead to Donald Trump.
I remember I was at the Deplora Ball.
That's what it was called.
And two people with their big Omaga hats, and this is 2017, and they were like, hey, Tim, we're big fans.
And I was like, really?
I was like, but you're a Republican.
I'm like, no, we're Occupy Wall Street, but we're for Trump.
And I was like, really?
And they were like, oh, tons of Occupy people went for Trump.
They were occupied because they opposed the bailouts, the banker bailouts.
And why would they support Hillary Clinton?
She represents the same thing.
Trump was more like Bernie.
They wanted Bernie.
They couldn't get Bernie.
They say Donald Trump.
So what happens now is, everything is crazy.
The media is screaming in your face.
Rachel Maddow, screaming in your face, just every day, the top of her lungs.
And these people are going, make it stop, make it stop.
Why is this happening?
And they go, it's happening because of Trump.
And they go, ooh, it's Trump's fault.
But here's the thing.
This was the narrative in 2020.
I think people have learned their lesson.
And we're seeing a lot of very positive signs for Donald Trump right now.
His polls are improving.
I keep mentioning the Quinnipiac thing.
He is now leading.
You got a New York Times Siena poll showing Donald Trump leading in battleground states.
He's up in aggregate in the battleground states.
And so all of this is a very good indicator.
In PA and key counties, it's now flipped.
The Republican Party now larger than the Democrats for the first time in a bunch of areas.
I think regular people have started to realize Trump ain't the one who made everything crazy.
The media and the Democrats and the neocons did.
ian crossland
He said in the 80s, I think it was in the 80s when Oprah was interviewing him, she asked him if he'd ever run for president.
He was like, I don't think, if it ever got so bad, I probably would.
He was something like that, he told Oprah.
And he was being honest.
And he saw the 2008 economic collapse.
He saw, I don't know if he understood exactly everything that was going on.
He's very smart and he knows a lot more than he lets on sometimes.
But he's really trying to offer a remedy to this economic catastrophe that the United States has been suffering through the overprinting of fiat currency in the last 50 years.
And not everyone seems to either understand that he's trying to do that or agrees with his form of solution, especially the imperialist powers that are trying to convert the United States into the serfdom technocracy where they're trying to strip people of their rights and make them part of a global system where they serve the corporation like Trump's not into that crap.
tim pool
It really feels like, you guys ever see the movie Elysium with Matt Damon?
cj pearson
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so there's a space station in the sky where all the white French-speaking people live and then everyone on earth is like non-white and speaks Spanish.
But it really does feel like that Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, the Democrats, They represent literally that.
They're going to bring in a bunch of non-citizens under temporary protected status to give them jobs, but they won't have any voting rights.
They'll be second-class citizens so they can create their affluent suburbs walled off from everybody else and have surf labor.
We'll be nice about it.
We'll call it surf labor.
And Trump is like, how about we just secure our borders, have a bunch of babies, get jobs, and do the hard work to make this country function again.
And I'm kind of like, I kind of like that.
ian crossland
With the right imperial base, with the right industrial base, you can.
You could do that without war.
I mean, if we're really producing the right things in the United States, we wouldn't have to conquer and take it.
tim pool
Think about what the economy really is.
It's people trading with one another.
And what you need then is access to energy, which allows you to create more, substantially more.
There's a really great little mini-doc I watched a long time ago about the evolution of energy.
Energy used to be human energy.
Humans would eat food, and then they'd do work like with a hatchet or something to do work.
Then one day they were like, hey, if I take this ball and whip it a bunch, it'll do what I tell it.
Then they used animal energy to till fields because the animals could easily walk and then eat grass all day.
Then they started burning wood, they started burning coal, etc, etc.
You get the point.
Now we're at this point where If in the United States we unleash energy as per Donald Trump's number one plan in Agenda 47, that brings costs down.
It allows more expansion.
The simple version is, if you have to work less, you have an opportunity to work on other things more.
So for all these young people who are like, I don't want to work at Starbucks, I want to do fulfilling things.
Imagine if Starbucks paid you so well, you only had to work there part-time a little bit, enough to pay your bills, and then have an additional 40 hours to, I don't know, learn guitar or paint or whatever it is you wanted to do.
That's a good economy, and that's what we want to happen.
Trump, energy is the first step, and I know Ian loves it.
ian crossland
Hydrogen?
tim pool
You love the energy.
ian crossland
That was my role at Mines as Director of Energy.
I'm obsessed with electricity, energy, forming it, creating it, harvesting it, all of it.
tim pool
This is why Ian said he is the biggest Trump supporter and he'll be voting for Trump.
He'll crawl over broken glass to vote for him.
ian crossland
They say you can't create energy, but you can draw it from without the system.
There are no closed systems.
This is where people that may say fusion get it wrong.
They say you can't get more energy out of that system than you put into it.
That violates the second law of thermodynamics.
But there is no system, bro.
Yeah, you use these closed systems to pull water out of wells.
It makes sense in the third dimension, but in reality there are no closed systems.
We draw energy from outside of our perception.
tim pool
Well, so this is, a good example is when you see these videos online of like, there will be a perpetual motion machine, and you're like, how's it spinning?
Well, it's because sunlight is hitting a part of it which causes the expansion of gases or something, so it's possible to do.
ian crossland
Yeah, and along the lines of creating perpetual motion, the sun, we would look at it and say, that is perpetual motion.
unidentified
It's not.
ian crossland
It's not.
It's just moving very slowly.
It takes three or four billion years to run out of fuel.
unidentified
Right, so back to the politics before Ian loses it.
tim pool
My point is, Trump's number one policy item is energy in this country.
cj pearson
Drill baby drill.
tim pool
Drill baby drill, but it's more than that.
Trump has talked about nuclear, and Trump is absolutely going to be open to everything else, especially Hydrogen.
ian crossland
Yeah, especially hydrogen.
tim pool
But I gotta be honest with you, we've had people super chat that the hydrogen thing isn't as good as it sounds.
Fusion is probably the direction.
ian crossland
They're both great.
Yeah, tabletop fusion in a palladium mesh with tritium, which is heavy hydrogen with two added neutrons.
You just, you get, that's the way to do cold fusion.
Well, we've- Hydrogen comes out of the graphene process of like- Trump's your guy.
tim pool
Yeah, you know what the problem is with Kamala Harris?
Look, I'm going to say this right now for everyone listening at home.
If you are someone who just finds yourself obsessed with hydrogen energy or graphing, you've got to vote for Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris is trying to... The neolibs and neocons want petrodollar.
They want oil to be king so they can control the energy of other nations, and that's the IMF liberal economic world order plan.
That's why they want war with Russia.
That's why they're defending Ukraine and funding it.
And I know Everyone in America, they just love hydrogen energy so much and they're so interested in it, that's why they're going to vote for Donald Trump.
ian crossland
Look at what they're doing at Rice with flash joule heating.
You can take carbon and hit it with electricity at 7,000 degrees at 0.1 millisecond pulses and turn it into graphene powder and you get hydrogen, about $4.50 worth of hydrogen for every kilogram of graphene you produce.
You actually end up profiting, making a profitable, just by, you actually make money to create the hydrogen.
We've inverted the cost structure.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
You've sold me on Trump, Ian.
I'm going to vote for that guy.
ian crossland
You should vote for him.
He might actually invest in these things you love so much.
tim pool
I hear that he actually is, and I mean that seriously.
ian crossland
Or guide investments.
tim pool
I actually hear that.
I think you should talk to Vivek, in all honesty.
ian crossland
If you come back on, we should get him up.
tim pool
I feel like Vivek would absolutely go to Trump and be like, take a look at these, and Elon too.
ian crossland
Put together a proposal, like a legitimate proposal.
tim pool
Let's jump to this tweet we got from Libs of TikTok.
Holy-ish Democrat delegate to the House of Representatives accidentally says the quiet part out loud.
She admits the DOJ and FBI are weaponized to go after people with opposing views.
Let's listen and hear what she said.
unidentified
What is the point of this subcommittee?
Because it's necessary for the public and the media to hear, to try, and provide cover for the eradication of the Department of Justice and the FBI.
We are having these hearings so that you become immune.
You become inured to the notion of the removal of the FBI and DOJ.
So that those agencies are no longer there to serve as a check against white nationalism, great replacement theorists, Christian nationalists, white fragility, fascists, and the twice impeached, convicted felon, former president, and would-be dictator, Donald Trump.
cj pearson
It's both sides though, Tim.
tim pool
It's both sides.
I'm gonna step back and be like, well, you know, Most of us would say, yeah, white nationalism, bad thing.
Great Replacement Theory is kind of nebulous and ill-defined.
Christian nationalists?
The DOJ needs to serve as a check against Christian nationalists?
This country has long been Christian nationalist.
What is this?
White fragility?
The DOJ needs to serve as a check against white fragility?
Fascism, not a fan of, but that's just a political ideology.
But more importantly, she says the DOJ and the FBI need to serve as a check against Donald Trump.
What?
He is the frontrunner in the battleground states for the presidency.
ian crossland
Who is this girl?
tim pool
She's delegate Stacey Plaskett.
ian crossland
for the Virgin Islands. It's a very racist statement she made, talking about white people,
like white—what about racial fragility? How about that?
How about racial supremacy as a problem?
tim pool
There has been this attempt to turn Christian nationalism into a boogeyman.
They're trying to make Christian nationalism out to be like extremists, when mostly it's just
Christians who believe in a country with a moral foundation in Christianity.
And they're, like, if they were as a threat as anyone might, as she claims them to be, they would have been doing substantially more over the past several decades.
ian crossland
I get like xenophobia is a bit of a problem.
You don't want people being so terrified of their neighbor that they won't even let them on their property.
cj pearson
But it's also not the role of the FBI to fight against xenophobia, though.
You know, I think, you know, that's not going to convince anyone to be less xenophobic.
But I think what's troubling really about this is that, you know, the Christian national thing has always been really interesting to me because it's like, you separate the words of Christian nationalism, nationalism, you love your country, you believe in, you know, it's the best country in the world, whatever.
And you have Christian, you know, Christian, which is Christianity.
So which of those two things do these people have a problem with?
Like loving your country or loving your God?
And if you were to place, you know, Christian nationalists with Muslim nationalists, she would never say that word.
She would never say that with any other religion.
But for some odd reason, when it comes to saying Christian nationalists, it's okay to wage a war against Christians in this country, but any other religion, you can't do it.
tim pool
Even if we're going to step back and be like, okay, like those are ideologies and beliefs.
It's kind of weird that the DOJ and the FBI would target people based on their beliefs.
But to add, to serve as a check against Trump, she's outright saying that the DOJ's purpose is to go after a political opponent.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and if this is what an elected delegate thinks the purpose of these federal agencies are, I think we should get rid of them.
She's saying we're having these hearings, so you stop thinking that.
But in this case, I do not like whatever version of this federal authority she has cooked up, right?
You don't have to like the things she listed.
You don't have to like Donald Trump.
To say that there is a specific branch of the government that's tasked with going after what ultimately amounts to being right-leaning ideologies and belief systems and white supremacy, I guess, in this country seems bizarre to me.
And again, you can see with the term white fragility, there's obviously a coded language here.
We can tell that she's progressive.
We can tell where this is coming from.
But I thought the Department of Justice was to bring justice to people who have been victims of crimes, and I thought the FBI was hypothetically to investigate crimes.
So if not believing what she wants is a crime, I worry for a lot of the country.
tim pool
We got to rename some of these departments.
I think the DOD should probably be the DOO.
Or the DAO, the Department of War.
ian crossland
I like Department of War.
tim pool
Yeah, okay.
And then the DOJ should be the DOD, the Department of Democrats.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I think that's what it is for the most part.
ian crossland
I think we really need to recalibrate nationalism, too, because we are in a global stage.
It's not just America first at any cost.
You're not going to burn the rest of the world to improve the United States.
You need to bring everyone up with you as a leader.
tim pool
Well said, and the America first people agree with you.
ian crossland
Good, good.
Because I think it's misinterpreted sometimes that we will be the best at any cost, and that's not what it's about.
tim pool
Well, that's the lie.
What the left will try to push is that nationalism, or America first, is basically saying at the expense of others, or that we're isolationist, when all it really says is, hey, instead of spending $200 billion on Ukraine, can we fix the pipes in Newark and Pittsburgh and Flint first?
ian crossland
And then perhaps in Afghanistan and Soviet— Or not Soviet Union.
Maybe in Japan we can fix their pipes too.
tim pool
That's why the saying isn't America only.
It's America first, and then.
Because, you know, my view is I think we should give all of our disposable income, 100% of it, I want everyone in America to sign on to giving away all of your disposable income to all the impoverished nations of the world.
You got it. After we secure our borders, fix our roads, rebuild our bridges, secure the jobs for
the unemployed, fix the colleges, get home prices in order, get our military secure, there should
be not a single homeless veteran, there should be, you know, veterans should be getting taken
care of for their medical needs. Once we solve all of our problems and we're all sitting in
floating chairs and pure luxury and comfort, then we can start giving our money to other countries.
ian crossland
Usually what happens is they'll come here, people from another country, they'll learn how to do that, and then they'll go there and fix their own problems.
Because that's better than just tossing money over there or building a pipeline.
hannah claire brimelow
Sometimes, but not really, though, right?
Like, it's a mix.
This idea that, like, people come here and then leave is usually not true, especially if they're like, yeah, this country's bad.
Sometimes they'll send money back to other countries to help their family members or whatever else, but For the most part, like, people come to the U.S.
because they want to stay.
I mean, even asylum seekers, right?
Like, asylum seekers arrive and ultimately stay in the country.
Very rarely do they go back to where they're from.
ian crossland
It's a freaking amazing country.
hannah claire brimelow
When I was in middle school, I remember my history class going over, like, vocabulary words, and one was patriotism.
And they're like, oh, that's love of country.
And then nationalism, my teacher defined as Too much love of country.
Love of country, but it's gone too far.
And I find this fascinating because we look at the American youth and say, why don't you care about this country?
Why don't you like it?
But they're also always warned against being proud of being American and wanting to have a culture that reflects wanting to be a part of it.
ian crossland
What's the difference between patriotism and nationalism?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, according to my teacher, nationalism is patriotism but too far.
tim pool
Okay, well, nationalism is a broad term representing you favor the strengthening of your nation.
ian crossland
Over the strengthening of your state?
Is that what it is?
tim pool
Internationalism would be a combination of ideas such as we should intervene in foreign countries, how they should be doing things, and they should be able to tell us what we should do as well.
Nationalism is like, look, this is our borders, our jurisdiction, our country.
We're going to take care of ourselves, focus on ourselves.
And within nationalist ideologies, you have international treaties and relationships.
ian crossland
The globalist, yeah, globalist identity.
tim pool
The media tried mocking a lot of the nationalists.
That were prominent online because they were from different countries and someone said there's an international nationalist movement and they all started saying, haha, you're all so dumb, you're morons.
And they were like, you don't seem to understand what this means.
It means that there are varying politicians and activists from various countries who believe in the sovereignty of their nation and the right to self-determination.
And they agree that Germany has it and the Netherlands have it.
That's international support for nationalism.
ian crossland
I guess some of the problem with nationalism is when you become so obsessed with the nation-state
and the power and sovereignty of the nation itself, it gives away the sovereignty of the
citizen. In the United States, we're all sovereign, and we have created this united
form of statehood, and we've created a nation out of it.
But if you become obsessed with the power of the federal government and you want to give over
your power to the nation-state, you've lost it at the local level.
tim pool
Why don't you ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?
ian crossland
I do, every day.
In fact, I'm doing it.
tim pool
I am the solution.
So the issue was, we used to have more of a sense of duty.
I'm not going to claim this country was ever perfect, because I don't think any country ever is, but we had more honor and more duty, and now that's being stripped away for a variety of reasons.
cj pearson
But it's also because of the lack of patriotism in our country, right?
It's like, to your point, at colleges and universities today all across America, you're demonized for being too patriotic.
You're not demonized for not being patriotic enough, right?
Like, you have your teachers saying, oh, nationalism is when you love America too much, which is the most nonsensical thing in the world because I look at the problem and I see, obviously, the problem in our country is that people don't love America enough.
So much so that they're going on college campuses, actively praising a terrorist organization like Hamas and
is saying from the river to the sea they don't even know which sea
they're talking about. Or which river. Right, or which river. They just
know that they hate America and these people also hate America so they're going to go out and
chant these nonsensical things and wear you know you know a Palestinian
flag but also a gay flag even though the gays are thrown off of buildings in
these countries.
It's like chickens being for KFC.
But it doesn't matter to them because they've been so indoctrinated believing that wokeism is just synonymous with apparently not loving America, which is a truly unfortunate thing because it's like that has forced them to literally take the sides of people who are oppressing the very people they claim to care so much about.
tim pool
It's a cult.
cj pearson
Yeah, it's a cult.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and I wouldn't think that nationalism in America would have to be obsession with the federal government.
Like, America's government is set up hypothetically so that states have strong independent governments and can dictate their own laws.
We have ceded power from the states to the federal government over time, but hypothetically, you can be like, I want to put, you know, America is the best country and I'm for it and I want to strengthen it without having to say, therefore we need a bloated bureaucratic state at the top.
ian crossland
That's exactly what I'm thinking is that the love of the nation, the love of United States is the love of the way it was created and the ideology of the system, not the bureaucracy itself.
You don't worship the power structure.
You worship the reason it was created this way.
You worship the individual sovereignty and the local governance.
Things like that.
That's love of country in this country.
And, of course, you don't always love every country's behavior, but you do love this one, at least I do.
I love the opportunity.
I love the ability to own your own land and to defend it.
tim pool
And cheesesteaks are great, too.
ian crossland
Oh, they're amazing, man.
tim pool
We got good food here.
And, you know, the Italian immigrants, they come here and they make pizza.
ian crossland
Immigration, the melting pot, when we have it in order, is so valuable.
The cultural cohesion.
tim pool
It was when people came here and said, I want to be an American.
And the challenge we face now is people come here saying, I don't care about America, I want.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So if, you know, they always try to play this in the media that, oh, it's, you know, they're racists.
They just don't like that they're Haitian migrants.
And you go and hear what the people of Springfield have to say, and they're like, we don't care if they're Haitian.
They're just not coming to our... like they're not learning to break bread
with us. They're not learning about how we live our lives.
They don't understand our culture. They don't know how to drive cars.
They were like, you know, if there was one woman interviewed, I think it was on Fox News,
she's like, if we brought in a handful of these Haitian migrants and they were coming to our churches and our
stores and everything, we'd welcome them with open arms. But
15,000 all at once and they don't know how to drive. They don't care for our customs, our ways, our...
unidentified
how we do things. They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs.
tim pool
Exactly.
I still can't believe that they're trying to maintain in the media that it's not true when Chris Rufo already published a video from over a year ago.
He found a video on social media from over a year ago of migrants in the Congo cooking cats on a grill.
So whether it's in Springfield or somewhere else, these kind of things happen.
But I digress.
The issue is not, in my opinion, that they're eating cats.
We get alarmed with it.
That's a surface-level issue.
The cats on the grill video that went viral represents that they're not integrating with American culture and society.
ian crossland
In the microcosmic metaphor, you'd have like six dudes in a room playing magic cards, and then a guy is let in to the room, and you're like, hey, we're playing magic cards.
And he's like, oh, want to learn?
He comes in.
He's the immigrant.
He sits down.
He spends some time.
He learns magic.
Then the next three guys come in.
We're like, hey, guys, want to learn magic?
There's seven of us.
Now there's 10 of us that know how to play magic.
But what's happening when people are surging across the border is there's six of us in a room playing magic, and then 50 people come into the room.
And they're all milling around. It's disorganized, they're yelling. We're like,
hey, want to learn cards? And they're like sitting at the table with us. And they're like,
some people are laying on the, and it's so much so fast.
tim pool
And he grabs one of the cards and he's like, hey, look at this.
ian crossland
It's firewood. We can use this to make fire. And you're like, oh my God, it's too much too fast.
We need to slow.
cj pearson
And we lose our cultural identity as a result of it. Right.
And I think that's, that's the kind of the funny thing about what you
earlier pointed.
It's like they were saying, oh, why are all these foreigners like nationalists or, you know, they're obviously immigrants or whatever.
It's because they came here and they assimilated.
They realized that they were now Americans and they were now going to be fighting for the interests of the American people.
tim pool
I was told this story by an older family member who said that when she came, she's very old, Italian immigrants, her parents wouldn't teach her how to speak Italian.
They said, you will learn English and you will be an American.
And I think Americans appreciate it, and they like that.
Legal immigration, economically viable, the people can come here and learn, they can get jobs, they can fill these roles at factories and where jobs are needed, but they try to fit in and respect what we have and what we built.
I like your analogy, Ian.
I think making it about magic is a little silly, but it makes a point.
ian crossland
That was a selfish thing for me.
tim pool
But it's, you know, you and your friends are playing a board game and 50 people come in with beers and they're screaming and yelling and they're shaking beers all over the place.
You're like, guys, we were having a quiet game night and now you're screaming.
And they're like, shut up.
It's our house now.
You're going to have a problem with that.
That's where we are.
Let's jump to the story from the New York Times.
Alex Jones's Info Wars will be auctioned off to pay Sandy Hook families.
It's interesting because there's different families in different suits.
One group out of Texas wanted to keep garnishing the revenue of InfoWars so they'd make money, and the Connecticut family said, nope, sell it all off, shut it down.
And now they're actually fighting amongst each other, I guess according to the New York Times, as to how they're going to divvy up the money.
But the reports are, come November, InfoWars is done.
Mid-November auction.
The crazy thing about this is, I can't imagine that someone's going to want to buy out InfoWars products to help him.
ian crossland
You should buy it.
tim pool
Why?
ian crossland
To own all the IP and give it back to him?
tim pool
And then they'll seize it again, because he owes a billion dollars.
You can't buy it for him.
Any money you give to him will go to pay off the settlement.
unidentified
Could you buy it and make him an employee?
tim pool
Then you'll get sued.
ian crossland
What about buying it and giving it to a trust that you set up?
tim pool
No, the scenario that I imagine happening, of which I imagine it's going to be some 20-year-old kid with an LLC and no net worth, will start a company and then he'll film Alex Jones on his phone.
ian crossland
That's what's going to happen after the sale is Alex will just keep going.
And all Rob do and everybody involved with the company, they'll just keep going and keep making stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard part of it is that they're trying to go after his personal social media account too.
tim pool
Is that true?
Absolutely.
New York Times said that they're going to try and auction off his social media accounts.
You can't do that.
He doesn't own those accounts.
Look at this.
The auction set for mid-November includes the website and the social media accounts.
They can't do it.
You will never take Alex Jones' ex-account away from him.
Because it's owned by Elon Musk.
hannah claire brimelow
There's like an InfoWars one.
I could understand how that's business affiliated, but if he created one for himself a long time ago, how can you suddenly say, this is business property so therefore we must sell it?
tim pool
Not even the InfoWars account.
They all belong to Elon.
And Elon determines who's allowed to use it.
And if they say, nope, we want to grant access to someone else, Elon just says, no.
It's my account.
I'm letting Alex use it.
That's how it works.
So there's nothing they can do.
His show will always be on X. That platform is something that can never be taken away from him.
And he gets hundreds of thousands of hits on his streams, broadcasts, and spaces.
hannah claire brimelow
Has Elon commented on it?
I've only seen like a parody account response.
tim pool
I haven't seen anything.
But it's pretty wild that they're trying to end InfoWars, which they can't.
They can't take the account.
I mean, it'll be interesting, because they could take the trademark, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And then whoever buys it can sue Alex Jones for using InfoWars.
ian crossland
And they can delete all the content.
Not from X. Not from X, no.
They can delete it all from the InfoWars servers.
But are they just backing it up elsewhere now, or is that illegal?
tim pool
That's only if they bought the servers.
They could file a copyright claim against him if he uses the InfoWars trademark on anything.
ian crossland
So basically, they're trying to prevent any past InfoWars IP from being seen publicly again?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I feel like that is the goal, right?
Like, it's to delete InfoWars from the internet if possible.
Not that it necessarily will be.
And again, part of that is because a lot of it relies on Alex Jones himself.
I mean, it's not just him.
Like, we've had other InfoWars contributors on the show.
There are a lot of, like, talented—Owen Troyer.
ian crossland
Chase Geyser.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, Harrison.
Like, there's tons of them.
tim pool
It's pretty crazy.
They're destroying a company and all of the associated jobs and all of the contract work that goes along with it because of what one person did.
ian crossland
Some guy did damage to these families and now they're going to do damage to all these other families in response.
It's like, geez, dude.
Do you need retribution or do you just want this resolved?
tim pool
There's a janitor right now going, why am I getting fired?
It's like, well, because Alex Jones said things that this family found damaging and they sued him, and now because Alex Jones is paying personally and business-wise, you don't get to have a job anymore.
That's kind of crazy to me.
Like, the company is bigger than Alex Jones.
There's other people who speak there.
The idea that they're going to destroy... I don't know, that just seems nuts to me.
ian crossland
It's an eye for an eye makes the world blind.
tim pool
It's not an eye for an eye.
ian crossland
That's the philosophy.
Someone harms you and you harm them back?
That's not justice, man.
tim pool
This is not an eye for an eye.
Alex Jones, I could argue if they said we're going after Alex personally, but to take Owen Schroer's job?
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
What did he say about them?
Was he named in these suits?
I don't know.
Maybe he was.
I don't think he was.
So going after the company itself to end the jobs of, like I mentioned, some of these people who work there are just security guards or janitors.
Why are they going to lose their jobs over this?
If you've got a problem with it, I mean, Alex Jones said the liability should be on Alex Jones.
I get it, I guess.
This is what bankruptcy protection was supposed to be for, but they denied it.
You're a contractor who doesn't work for InfoWars, but you've got a monthly contract to check the lights and make sure the electricity is working, and now you're going to your wife and being like, we're not going to be able to make the bills this month, I've got to find some new clients.
It's just insane.
cj pearson
Is this what happened to Gawker?
Like, similar?
When Peter Thiel sued them?
Like, did they have to shut down?
tim pool
They never shut down.
cj pearson
Okay, gotcha.
tim pool
Well, actually, I think they got sold.
And then they were, yeah, Gawker.
cj pearson
They weren't auctioned off, okay.
tim pool
I can't remember exactly how it went down.
They lost all their money, and then they ended up selling to pay for, you know, over that.
unidentified
Gotcha.
tim pool
But the Gawker media brands, I believe, still exist to this day.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
And that's the thing.
Bankruptcy protection is like, okay, You've been sued.
You're liable for these damages.
The company needs to keep running.
People need to keep their jobs.
So there's going to be some kind of like restructuring or payment plan.
Instead, they're like, nah, just burn it all down.
hannah claire brimelow
And again, I think this has to do like when we talk about the people who will lose for like not not even just the host, but you're totally right that the janitors, a security guard, like whoever works there, and that is just their job.
They'll pay the price for this, but I think there are factions of both, you know, the government and sort of the people who are against Jones who said, well, you shouldn't, you deserve this too, because you shouldn't work for someone like that.
He is so bad that anyone affiliated with him deserves to suffer.
And that's the level of, to me, that rises to political persecution that is unwarranted.
I mean, there are people who will pay the consequences for something that they did not have anything to do with other than they eventually worked for the same company.
ian crossland
Dude, reparations is not that you go burn the arsonist's house down.
He pays retribution for burning the house down.
He might serve prison time if he serves his sentence.
You don't go and destroy his property.
Maybe there's arguments that you seize the property?
I guess.
unidentified
Maybe.
hannah claire brimelow
It does seem strange, too, that there was so much money and it was like, OK, well, then if you want that much money, then you should probably keep the business open so it can generate revenue to pay that off.
And it said they obviously had something else in mind.
They were like, no, destroy company, sell.
To me, it seems like they're obviously never going to get the amount that the court ordered him to pay.
ian crossland
It sounds, I don't know, it sounds personal that they want to harm him.
And that's really not the purpose of the settlement is to harm the guy.
It's for him to repair what he's done.
And I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
But maybe there are for them.
It's like you also have to be destroyed.
That's the only way we'll feel better about this.
ian crossland
That's just not the way the legal system works in the United States.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think it should be how it works.
But you know, I can't say that that is not how people feel about it.
cj pearson
I think it shows the ruthlessness of the left, too, and I think it really speaks to the stakes of this election.
You know, if we do not win this election in November, if Donald Trump is not re-elected and returns to the White House, I think there is a very real chance that conservatives in this country become second-class citizens.
ian crossland
Right.
cj pearson
Continue to be.
Because they have shown just a complete lack of restraint when it comes to weaponizing every single lever of government against us.
They are completely okay with subjugating us.
And honestly, conservatives are not okay with doing it back.
I'm the type to say, you know, I know Michelle Obama, she said, when they go low, we go high.
When they go low, we go lower.
That's my position these days, because we have seen that the left knows that we will not fight back against them on their own terms, on their own turf, and because of that, that is why they do things like this.
That is why they, you know, criminalize, you know, free speech.
It's why they kick people off of X, and all these things are attempted to in a previous time.
It's why they attack people's livelihoods for simply vocalizing viewpoints that they disagree with because they know that we won't fight back with the same zeal and passion that they do.
It's unfortunate.
ian crossland
I don't, I personally am not of that mindset.
I mean, maybe there is a place for going lower than the enemy.
I mean, in war, you have to.
If you're literally at war, if they're using dirty, evil, destructive tactics, you have to become more evil, dirty, and destructive to survive.
But in civil reality, you're supposed to overcome.
cj pearson
But is it civil anymore, do you think?
ian crossland
If we say no, it will become war.
And so I want it to be civil, so I say it is civil.
And I treat it like it's civil, but... And hopefully the next generation will see the error of the ways and maintain civility.
That's my hope.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's really hard because I get what you're saying, and I do think that there is a level of, like, there needs to be a little more fire and creativity in how the, you know, conservative aspects of the country respond to the attacks.
On the other hand, you know, I fear a race to the bottom, and I think ultimately we want a unified country that is Strong and so to me that that it's so much it's hard because you need this cultural shift.
You need people who don't you know, who would say I'll never vote Republican and you know, they are the people who leave the Thanksgiving table.
They don't want to talk to them to come to a realization that the weaponization of the legal system against one bent of ideology meaning more conservative.
Yeah.
is wrong and it ultimately backfires on them as well.
It's not good for our country as a strong nation and we want to live in a strong nation.
But yeah, I definitely, but I see what you mean.
We can't just go on where it's like there are all these huge efforts to stop any kind
of conservative movements, whether it's Trump or whether it's school choice initiatives
or anything.
And in response, there's no sort of offense is coming from.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can sort of, if someone's trying to undermine you, you can go around it rather than go under them.
So there are ways to alter the system by behaving in a way, unforeseen, that kind of bypasses their attempt to play dirty, where it's like they're undermining something that they thought was there, but by the time they dig under the walls, you've settled in a different location, and they come up and they're like, where's the guy we're trying to harm?
It's a way of focusing energy that might be more valuable and might end up bringing more community to a healthier place.
unidentified
Yeah.
cj pearson
I'm curious to see, because I think, to your point, for them to actually, I think, come to the realization that they don't want it to get that bad, first, I think it unfortunately has to get that bad, right?
It has to blow up in their face.
It has to be like, okay, we don't want to be treated the way that we've treated them.
I think that we have to get to that point before we can get to the point and the reality that I think we all want to live in is to your point where we can be united.
But I think that there is too many people on their side right now, unfortunately, who don't want unity.
I think to the poll that Tim cited earlier about how 28% of the country believe that, or 28% of Democrats believe that Trump should be dead is emblematic of that.
tim pool
That the country would be better off.
cj pearson
Yeah, better off if he was dead.
tim pool
Yeah, that's terrifying.
ian crossland
I haven't seen the poll.
Was it like 1,000 people?
Was it 100,000 people?
tim pool
Let me pull this up.
ian crossland
This is a big deal.
It's a big percent, but sometimes it's a small segment of people, and they might be very twisted people that they polled.
RMG Research.
unidentified
Sometimes it comes out on a day of the week when people are just feeling hot because it's something- And I've heard pollsters refute this saying, well like, oh no, it's actually- 1,000 registered voters.
ian crossland
1,000 people.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think one of the challenges is the fact that this is a conversation people are having at all, right?
Like, there was a time in America where You know, we would get these polls that said they would rather their kids marry someone of a different political party than of a different religion, right?
There were things outside of politics that gave us identity and purpose and values that kind of helped weave American culture as broad as it is together.
And now I think you see, number one, People are not as religious and they are not really participating in other social groups.
You know, people don't – this is famous, like people don't go to bowling leagues or book clubs.
There's like – volunteerism is down.
But on top of that, people look at their political identity as the be-all and end-all of anything and it's a litmus test for how you view your neighbors, right?
Like if your neighbor is Republican and you're progressive, then they want to harm you.
They are a threat.
Even though that's not true, right?
You just agree on things differently.
And ultimately, at one point, political parties had the objective, like, had the goal of being like, here is our common values as Americans.
How do we achieve them?
We offer different solutions.
But that's not modern American politics.
That's not the way the party systems work.
And so there is this...
battling cultures, where one is saying, well, we want this thing, and the other one is saying,
we actually don't want you to be here at all. And it's very difficult to work through because
if they just don't want you here, but you're still making space for them,
then they're going to eventually push you off the cliff.
ian crossland
Yeah. Sort of like the pressure of the system is building, maybe because of the printing of money,
and people feel like, yo, my kimchi is $8 now, or my head of lettuce is $2.99 when it used to be $1.25.
My carrots are $4 instead of $1.80.
And so the pressure is building, therefore things are moving faster within the system and the thoughts are moving quicker.
So if some people have little disagreements, they move very quickly.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think it's economic pressure or do you think it's the 24-hour news cycle?
ian crossland
I'm wondering, that's what I was wondering, is it a combination of the economics speeding people's thoughts up and making them like very, very, very, and then the news comes in and just little, like if you're driving really fast, really fast on the road and you turn the wheel a little, the car goes crazy to the left because you're going so fast.
If you're going slow, you barely move and you have time to readjust.
So the media comes in, the media, certain media organizations will come in and just tweak people's thoughts.
But because everyone's pressurized from the economic burden, which I do think is a big part of it, is the economic problem right now, their thoughts go crazy sideways.
tim pool
And that's it.
ian crossland
Hopefully we can bring the pressure down by cooling off the economic structure by enhancing our energy systems.
tim pool
I hear you, but I got bad news from the Daily Mail.
Hooters sparks fears of mass closures as chain takes drastic action over huge debts.
Hooters, known for scantily clad waitresses, is the latest American restaurant chain facing financial problems.
Bosses at the chain are in urgent talks with lenders and advisors as they try to address $300 million of debts.
ian crossland
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought it was known for its really good food.
tim pool
They shuttered 40 underperforming restaurants.
I checked.
There's no Hooters by us.
You gotta drive about 40 minutes.
We're- Find a Hooters.
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, we're in a Hooters desert.
ian crossland
Hooters, are we?
tim pool
We're in a Hooters desert.
ian crossland
That's unfortunate.
hannah claire brimelow
Where is the lobby for Congress on this?
cj pearson
Where are you gonna get good wings around here if you don't have a Hooters around?
tim pool
So I looked at pictures.
It actually does look like their wings are good.
ian crossland
Did they change the recipe?
Maybe they changed the recipe to high fructose.
hannah claire brimelow
Is Buffalo Wild Wings pushing them out?
We're like, hey, we've got TVs and also wings.
You don't need those scantily clad waitresses.
cj pearson
See, I will say, look at these pictures, though.
I think they're getting a lot more conservative with their outfits here.
tim pool
They look the exact same, what do you mean?
ian crossland
I didn't see any fake boobs.
Maybe I am, and I just don't realize it.
tim pool
There was a story a while ago of a guy who applied for a job at Hooters and claimed it was sexist, that they only hire women.
And so the response from Hooters was like, you're hired.
And the guy didn't want to do it.
Because he'd have to wear the same outfit and the pants and pull them up.
They were like, yeah, you can work here.
And he was like, I don't want to work here.
So, you know, I'm half-kidding bringing this up, but this is big news.
A major chain is suffering in massive debt, and they're looking at—they've already shuttered 40 locations, and now they may shut down many, many more.
The economy is not doing well.
I'm flabbergasted—I say flabbergasted—that the Democrats are saying that there's no recession, the economy's better than ever.
People are suffering.
We've got—the LL Flooring is talking about shutting down.
Who else was it?
A bunch of—there's Home Depot said they missed their profit targets, which is a big deal.
Hooters?
What are their chains worth?
I mean, you've got Targets and Walgreens.
cj pearson
Red Lobster.
tim pool
Red Lobster?
ian crossland
Oh, looks like Hooters was just acquired in 2019 by Nord Bay Capital and Triartisan Capital.
tim pool
Well, that sucks.
They didn't see COVID coming, did they?
ian crossland
Wow, yeah.
COVID rocked brick and mortar.
tim pool
But this is happening right now.
ian crossland
It wasn't COVID that did it.
It was the government's response to it that did it.
tim pool
Exactly.
We are years after the pandemic, and the Biden-Harris administration has not helped this country recover economically.
We should not be, before an election, hearing about the dock workers' strike, Boeing strikes, rail workers' strikes.
big food restaurant chains shutting down, I mean, it's bad.
cj pearson
And the gaslighting is even more insane.
The fact that they can look you in your face and say, everything's going well.
The economy is in such good shape.
I know that to be a lie.
Every time I walk into a grocery store, I know that to be a lie.
Every time I fill up my gas tank.
So to sit there and look in our faces and play us like we're dumb and say,
everything's good, the economy is stronger than it's ever been before,
stronger than it was under Donald Trump is just frankly insulting.
And I think demeaning to the intelligence of the American people, but also to it's like the these like things that they are doing to create this facade, like, you know, lowering and cutting interest rates right before the election to give this impression that inflation is going down, the economy is on the resurgence.
It is truly, I think it really goes to show how they see, you know, the intelligence, and then how they view a majority of the American people.
tim pool
And look at this.
You know, huge news from a couple weeks ago.
Kevin Hart's burger chain shut down all locations.
And I can't imagine why.
The vegan fast food chain, co-founded by Kevin Hart, just shut down.
ian crossland
Oh, you gotta have a vegan option.
You can't go only vegan, Kevin.
hannah claire brimelow
Kevin Hart vegan?
tim pool
I did not know that BurgerFi was a vegan joint.
Either way, though.
cj pearson
It is?
hannah claire brimelow
What?
tim pool
That's what it says.
ian crossland
BurgerFi?
tim pool
Is that the name of it?
I don't know.
Yesterday, BurgerFi announced it filed for bankruptcy.
cj pearson
No, no.
hannah claire brimelow
It did, but it's not.
tim pool
His is Hart House.
His is Hart House?
Yeah, Hart House.
Oh, OK.
My bad, my bad.
ian crossland
So Hart House is OK?
No, it's gone.
cj pearson
But BurgerFi is also filed for bankruptcy.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
BurgerFi is gone.
Red Lobster, or BurgerFi's 10 big names filed bankruptcy this year.
It is sad to see.
We should be in an economy that's so good, even vegan burger joints do well.
ian crossland
I think there's a difference between saying, kind of along what you were saying, CJ, how we're being gaslit, that everything's fine.
There's a difference between saying, we're going to be okay, and here's why, as opposed to, everything's fine, don't worry.
That's like that meme of the dog sitting in the burning house going, everything's fine.
Like, no, everything's not fine, but it is going to be okay, and here's why.
We're going to revolutionize our industry systems, our electronic systems, our electricity systems.
We're going to do it.
So we're going to be OK.
But it's not fine right now.
hannah claire brimelow
We have the right leadership though, right?
I mean, this is part of it.
If you're looking at the election right now and one person is saying, like, things are not OK, but we can make them better.
To me, that's good.
I would pick that route.
Or you have someone who won't give you very many specifics and who is part of the current problem and who sort of goes back and forth between we've accomplished so much.
I won't say that I'm part of this administration, but also I'm gonna make everything better because I'm changing the underdog.
I mean, to me, that is gaslighting still, and I don't want another four years to go.
ian crossland
Yeah, you need a leader that is inspiring people and giving them hope with a plan, a real plan, that's saying, it's gonna be okay and here's why.
You need that, otherwise people are all gonna fucking destroy themselves.
Like, you need hope, but you don't want a gaslighter that's just telling you it's okay when it's not.
unidentified
Yeah.
cj pearson
And I think Tim Walz, you know, he may not tell the truth about a lot of things, including his military service and the name of his dog, but he told the truth.
tim pool
The name of his dog?
ian crossland
Yeah.
cj pearson
He lied about the name of the birthday of his dog.
It came out like shortly after he was picked.
tim pool
He lied about how he makes tacos.
cj pearson
Yeah.
Yeah, he didn't like Spice because he wanted to play this caricature of white people.
But he was telling the truth the other day when he said that we cannot endure four more years of this.
And he's exactly right.
We cannot endure four more years of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden's policies.
And you're right.
It's not just about leadership.
It's about someone actually having a plan.
And as President Trump said, Kamala Harris doesn't have a plan.
It's Biden's plan.
It's just like four lines.
It's run, spot, run.
tim pool
Yeah, the most offensive thing I've ever heard in politics was Tim Waltz acting like he doesn't spice his food.
Because white people are notorious for going to war and massacring people for spices.
ian crossland
Black pepper.
tim pool
Yeah, black peppercorn.
It was just like, how many untold thousands died?
Because they were like, I want pepper on my food!
hannah claire brimelow
And I think it's gross to play racial caricatures, right?
Like, we wouldn't want anyone to do this.
Why would it be okay if Tim Walz decides to be this, like, derpy white guy to somehow make, what, Kamala Harris look better?
I'm telling you now, you can't.
cj pearson
She is- Or to make him look more white to subdue her blackness, which...
Isn't that an acceptance of racism in that case?
Acknowledging that, oh, our candidate's too black, which, you know, jury's out on that one according to Janet Jackson, but our candidate's too black, so we need to make him look extra white to make her more palatable to the American people.
It's actually crazy.
ian crossland
What did he do?
tim pool
JetGPT says the rough estimate for how many died during the, what do they call it, the age of exploration over spice routes was in the tens of thousands.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Tens of thousands of people were killed over spice routes.
ian crossland
I mean, it must have displaced and destroyed communities untold.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
cj pearson
I mean, white folks want to spice their food.
So next time they say that white people do not like spice on their foods, I'm gonna share that style.
ian crossland
It's good for your cardio, cardiovascular system, and that'll strengthen your veins.
tim pool
You ever go buy saffron at the grocery store?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like the normal spice jar, but then inside is a tiny little tube with a very little bit of it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's apparently the most expensive spice on earth, I think, saffron.
Ooh, it's delicious.
It's powerful, too.
tim pool
What do you put it in?
ian crossland
I don't even know.
You just crumble a little in your fingers and put it in anything, and it's gonna taste like a stew.
Put it in savory things, it's very, very good.
And you'll smell it on your fingers for, maybe not days, but a little bit goes a long way with saffron.
tim pool
Just don't put it on your fingers and then stick your finger in a cow's mouth.
ian crossland
Well, unless the cow wants the saffron.
tim pool
Oh, okay, that makes sense.
ian crossland
And maybe you can work something out.
tim pool
That makes sense.
ian crossland
But my question is, what did Tim Waltz say about eating spice?
I didn't hear.
tim pool
He said, he was like, I just eat white guy tacos.
And then Kamal's like, what is that?
Tuna and mayonnaise?
And he's like, just beef and cheese.
And she's like, do you spice it?
And he's like, no.
But he's got an award-winning taco casserole with cayenne pepper and garlic.
hannah claire brimelow
And he said, no, the spiciest thing in Minnesota is black pepper.
You want to be like, so you're bringing everyone down with you?
I mean, I feel like you are making a fool of yourself.
For no reason.
tim pool
Excuse me, beclowning himself.
hannah claire brimelow
He is quite, he's definitely beclowning himself.
What a great word.
And I just, I think that this is like an ode to what we would have in the future.
I mean, it's a really divisive racial way of looking at the world.
And look, if that's your thing, I'm glad you're being honest about it, but I don't think that that's how Americans want to evaluate their neighbors, right?
Like, I don't think that they want to be like, well, I'm going to judge you by goofy stereotypes and you should play to them so I feel comfortable.
cj pearson
It's satirical at this point, right?
You have Kamala Harris who's trying to act like she's so black these days.
She's saying she's washing her collard greens in a bathtub.
But frankly, I've been black all 22 years of my life.
I've never washed collard greens in a bathtub.
I don't know anyone who washes collard greens in a bathtub.
And it's the craziest thing.
And she goes out and she does that interview at the BET where she says, I've been out here in these streets.
Ma'am, you have a Secret Service detail.
You're not out in the streets.
You live at the Naval Observatory.
And I think, like, this type of pandering is frankly disgusting.
It's demeaning the intelligence of black Americans.
It's demeaning the intelligence of all Americans.
And then you have, you know, Tim Walz talking about his bland tacos, which aren't even bland.
You know, we learn, like, season them up with sriracha.
It's crazy.
tim pool
That's... I just... I can't.
Because, you know...
If there's one thing you can accuse white people of doing, it's going to war over making food taste good.
And now they want to play up this caricature of doofy white people who can't put spice on their food?
What are we talking about?
There's salt and pepper on every table.
cj pearson
Yeah.
Tim Walz is the most manufactured person, though, I think I've ever seen.
Oh, he's like, uh, you know, this, this combat that who refused to deploy because he wanted to run for Congress.
You have this entire narrative.
He's this, this like masculine football coach.
So he's going to get all the young men to vote for him when it turns out he wasn't actually a football, like he wasn't a head football coach.
Like he is assistant coach.
Right.
Yeah.
It's insane.
tim pool
We got major breaking news.
Eric Adams has been indicted in New York, the first sitting New York City mayor to face criminal charges.
cj pearson
What the?
tim pool
What is going on?
Mayor Adams has been indicted on federal criminal charges, according to people with knowledge of the matter.
He'll be the first mayor in New York City history to be charged while in office.
The indictment is sealed.
It's unclear what the charge or charges are that he will face.
Retired police captain Mr. Adams was elected to the city's 110th mayor nearly three years ago, this we know.
Do we know anything about these indictments?
unidentified
Because they were going after... They've gone after him for a couple different things.
hannah claire brimelow
So one is campaign finance, there's an investigation in that.
And then they're also investigating him, and I can't remember if it was exactly the same thing, for like potentially taking money from Turkey, but at least I believe five of his top officials have resigned in the past, you know, couple months.
Today, I think it was the head of the Commissioner of Schools, and then last week it was the head of the NYPD.
And so there's obviously something going on here.
I go back and forth because I do think, you know, there's corruption, right?
I think that there are people who take money in nefarious ways.
I mean, there's a reason Bob Menendez was on trial, but also Eric Adam has pushed back against the Biden administration so hard, especially when it came to the impact of illegal immigration.
He was constantly like, you are not doing enough.
And so it becomes this thing where I think there could be corruption.
On the other hand, I do believe he's someone who doesn't have any pull with the federal government right now.
tim pool
Didn't AOC call for him to resign?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, earlier today.
tim pool
She knew it was coming.
cj pearson
And the question is also too, it's like, was this corruption they were willing to ignore as long as he toed the line?
As long as he behaved and said, you know, whatever the pre-approved DNC, you know, talking points were.
And this story really is crazy.
I've been keeping up with it because like Eric Adams has always been such a meme in my head because of the fact that he is crazy.
He is so known for going out and NYC nightlife, partying until the end of the night.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's just He was like, veganism cured my diabetes.
cj pearson
Yeah, and then he said, you know, I'm the mayor of a city with a lot of nightlife, so I gotta go, and this is a quote, I need to go test the product.
And so ever since then, I've just been, yeah.
So they were attacking him for going out until like 3am, going to all the clubs and the bars.
And he's like, well, you know, I have a city with great nightlife, I gotta go test the product.
And ever since then, I've just been absolutely enamored with Eric Adams.
But yeah, he has so many people in his circle.
unidentified
Is this one of the things against him?
tim pool
Let's listen to what, I want to show you what she said.
Quote, I do not see how Mayor Adams can continue governing New York City.
Ocasio-Cortez said in a post on social media, the flood of resignations and vacancies are threatening government function.
Nonstop investigations will make it impossible to recruit and retain a qualified administration.
For the good of the city, he should resign.
Notice what she said, investigations.
Meaning, the feds can just come in and shut it down?
ian crossland
I got a little... our monitor went out while you were reading that.
tim pool
Yes, Sergio.
ian crossland
I don't know if that's on the... if YouTube lost their image, too, or not, but can you kind of... can you explain what you just read again?
unidentified
I want to... right behind you, that monitor dropped.
ian crossland
Say that again, but just... I don't want to make you read all that again.
tim pool
She said the nonstop investigations make it impossible.
That means if there is a city official or county official or state official who defies federal government.
They need only investigate them to the point where the government shuts down and they force this person to resign.
cj pearson
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Doesn't it feel like something they could say about Trump, right?
He's facing too many criminal investigations.
He's indicted over here.
He's got this.
He's really, you know, he should not be president because this has to be his main focus and he can't govern effectively.
I mean, one of the, so, and it could be wrong.
So the thing about the Ericsson case is like, it's not my main beat, but I check in on it pretty regularly because it definitely had this air, this air of escalations.
I remember when the police commissioner resigned, there was this argument that it was involved
with influence peddling because his brother is involved in a nightclub business, and I'm
not sure to what extent, but that they were given some sort of preferential treatment,
that the government was making certain deals with them.
So again, it's not exactly the same, and I don't want to just be like innocent until
proven guilty.
I don't really know what's going on.
could be corruption there but also it seems like there are so many investigations like
I totally agree with your point.
Maybe this is corruption somebody would have turned a blind eye to, except for the fact that he pushed against the Biden administration.
On the other hand, they're throwing a lot of stuff at the wall right now.
It seems like there's a lot of stuff.
cj pearson
It seems like they were trying to find the crime because, like, you're right, there's so many probes.
There's the one involving the NYPD commissioner, which has to deal with, you know, like, you know, if a club got a citation for staying open too late, apparently they would pay the brother who would then get his police commissioner brother to, you know, stand down.
And then there is, of course, the campaign finance probe where they're alleging that he was being illegally funded by like Turkish businessmen.
And then they expanded the probe, I believe yesterday, to include five other countries.
So it's just kind of like they were in search of a crime, more so than actually looking for anything.
But I'm curious to read the indictment when it's unsealed.
But I think the undercurrent of the story that's really interesting is that this might be the return of Andrew Cuomo, who has been actually weighing a run for mayor of New York City in the event that Eric Adams were to resign.
hannah claire brimelow
He's gonna be like, that guy is way worse than I was.
tim pool
Look, there are a lot of Cuomo-sexuals who want to see him come back, and they'll vote for him.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you remember his nipple piercings?
When he was doing his daily COVID updates, he would wear his New York City polo, right?
You could very clearly see his nipple piercings.
cj pearson
Andrew Cuomo has nipple piercings?
ian crossland
I wish we had our monitor, because now's the time.
cj pearson
I feel like we have to fact check it.
ian crossland
You could see it through his white shirt.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not making this up, right?
tim pool
Ian, why don't you just go try and see if the cables are loose or something?
cj pearson
That's so crazy.
tim pool
Well, Ian really wants to see nipples of Cuomo.
So the TV's on, you just got the cords behind it.
Take a look at what's going on over there.
Anyway, this is kind of wild because before they even announced the indictment, everybody knew it was coming.
Massive calls for his resignation.
Man, this is absolutely wild.
Let's see what else we got in the updates.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think he will resign?
tim pool
I don't know.
I guess?
hannah claire brimelow
I'm so curious to see what his statement is.
Is he going to be like, I pushed back against the federal government when they did all these things and whatever?
tim pool
What if he goes full MAGA?
cj pearson
That's what I was going to say.
It's a federal indictment.
He wins.
tim pool
Eric, you got to come out and you got to say, this is because you like Trump.
Trump's the best.
MAGA 2024.
And then Trump wins and you're good.
cj pearson
And he was a former Republican.
You know, he's coming back home.
tim pool
What if he is secretly mega?
hannah claire brimelow
I just I have no idea what to make of this because I feel like kind of notoriously big cities are corrupt and so there's a level of like maybe some stuff but also like why is Eric Adams such a target is this you know again is Cuomo supporters want him back in office or is this actually a case where this is a bad it's it's impossible wrap your minds around and again and again like Eric Adams has done He's just such a personality.
Like, do you remember his video about, like, searching kids' rooms for drugs?
cj pearson
No.
hannah claire brimelow
He has done so many weird- There was one press conference where, like, something went on with, like, the city garbage unit and he was like, Wheeling a garbage can to the curb?
cj pearson
Oh my god, yes.
He, like, called all the press to, like, watch him wheel this garbage can.
And there's the one about the rats.
He's like, the rats don't, like, it's, it's incredible.
Like, he, he is a character.
He's a character.
But yeah, I do, I am curious to see what he does do from here.
He's kind of Trumpian in a lot of ways.
So I could see him kind of not resigning and saying he's going to fight the man and give it to the system.
I don't know when he's up for re-election.
I think it's actually in 2025 in New York City.
hannah claire brimelow
I think he's in for a little bit.
I think he is.
cj pearson
Yeah, so.
You can ride it out.
hannah claire brimelow
I think this is one of the more interesting cases and again I think there is Maybe – it's so hard to wrap your mind around it, but maybe there is a level of using this as an example to say, like, no, look, we go after Democrats, too.
I mean, he is the Democratic mayor of, what, America's largest city?
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
And therefore he is more influential than a lot of mayors.
He commands a large budget.
The things that happen in New York can impact policies in a lot of other places.
Maybe this is just to sort of prove that there is fairness in our justice system?
cj pearson
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
cj pearson
That seems simplistic, but... But the commonality among the Democrats they seem to go after are people who have been critical of Biden's administration or his handling of certain things.
Even Menendez was critical of the Biden administration at certain points, you know, relating to foreign policy.
You know, Eric Adams, as you said, you know, when it came to immigration, he was definitely a critic there.
I don't know.
I don't know if it completely assuages people's concerns about the weaponization.
It looks like they're just going out with one more casualty.
But I guess we'll have to see.
hannah claire brimelow
Menendez's case is so much weirder to me.
And again, you want to wait as much as you can until there is conviction and trial.
cj pearson
Is this trial not over yet?
hannah claire brimelow
They delayed it.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think he got convicted.
His wife's got delayed because she has cancer.
But sorry, I'm losing my timeline.
cj pearson
All these indictments.
hannah claire brimelow
The thing is, this guy was like gold bars in the closet and then also was like, I have all this cash because in immigrant communities, you want to be like, I think you are maybe lying.
tim pool
Yeah.
cj pearson
Well, that's like Fonny Willis.
Do you guys remember that trial earlier this summer where she was talking about all these things that apparently black people do?
And I'm like, wait, I've never done that.
I'm a little confused.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't keep cash on you at all times?
cj pearson
No!
I've got a credit card.
And like, it's like she was talking about, um, what was she saying?
Oh, they accused her of liking a particular type of alcohol.
And she's like, no, baby, I like Grey Goose only.
And I was like, what?
These are the types of people.
hannah claire brimelow
And they brought her dad, the Black Panther, to the stand.
That was a good one.
cj pearson
Oh my God.
You can't make it up.
You can't make it up.
hannah claire brimelow
It's, it's, you know, American politics really is the greatest show on earth.
And sometimes I only apply this to the presidential elections, but we really have to look to the city level.
I mean, there are all kinds of personalities that make up local government.
cj pearson
Yeah.
unidentified
No.
cj pearson
And I think it's interesting though, that we're seeing such an aggressive investigation and aggressive, aggressive indictment of Eric Adams when it took them how long to put Diddy behind, you know, bars.
tim pool
He's not even convicted yet.
cj pearson
He's not convicted yet.
ian crossland
We talk about Diddy on the after show.
hannah claire brimelow
And celebrities are just like us.
He's just going to Costco to buy things.
cj pearson
He's now sharing a cell with SPF.
tim pool
Is he really?
cj pearson
Yeah.
ian crossland
He's what?
tim pool
That would be a wild podcast.
cj pearson
They're sharing the same cell.
Who?
Sam Beckman Freed.
ian crossland
What?
unidentified
No.
What?
cj pearson
Yeah.
tim pool
Imagine that podcast.
ian crossland
Is it a big cell?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Do they each have their own bedroom?
unidentified
Of course not.
hannah claire brimelow
I think they're always small, famously in jail.
tim pool
Yeah.
cj pearson
I care to never find out.
tim pool
Why would they put- Well, he has ditties, so they gave him a luxury suite within a private bathroom.
ian crossland
That's what I'm wondering.
Yeah, right.
cj pearson
Well, hopefully for Sam, ditty doesn't have any baby oil in there.
That would be unfortunate.
hannah claire brimelow
He's like, I need to freak off right now.
cj pearson
I'm sure he'll get plenty of those.
ian crossland
It's like a high profile cell where like really famous people go.
cj pearson
Jeffrey Epstein was there.
ian crossland
Same cell?
cj pearson
Not the same cell, the same unit.
ian crossland
Where the cameras were shut off?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And the guards were asleep or whatever?
Wow.
So now Bankman Freed's there and Diddy's there.
cj pearson
Yeah.
tim pool
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I can't say much more, it's from my lawyer, but I did do an interview with the Daily Signal about this, and it's interesting if you guys want to Google that as well.
Alright, The Clayway says, number one, indeed sir, you're first.
He says, Tim, you're the best, I listen to...
To me, the best I listened to.
And many, many people say how great you are.
Some say you're even the greatest.
At least that's what I was told.
ian crossland
Who is that?
tim pool
Clayway.
ian crossland
What's up to Clayway?
unidentified
Clayway.
ian crossland
Nice one, dude.
tim pool
Matthew Emmons says, did Tim get caught up in the Gell-Mann amnesia effect with the Marcellus Williams Missouri case?
The victim's purse was in his car and he sold her laptop.
No, sir, I would suggest that perhaps you are caught up in the Gell-Mann amnesia effect because it also was reported That there was a $10,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the individual.
And the challenge is, there was a cellmate who claimed he bragged about the murder, and his ex-girlfriend said that he had the jacket and he had the things in his car, but they were financially incentivized to do it.
The question then becomes, if you believe this man is evil enough to murder someone, do you not also believe it's possible that someone else would be evil enough to lie about someone being a murderer for $10,000?
So if someone's evil enough to murder for a purse, would someone else be evil enough to murder for $10,000?
I'm not saying I know.
I'm just saying the family had come to an agreement to reduce the sentence to life with that possibility of parole, and the state said, no, we're going to execute.
That's what we do.
And so, I don't know.
I don't know.
I disagree with the execution, I suppose.
hannah claire brimelow
There are four other executions scheduled for this week in different states across America.
One involves, if you guys are interested in this and want to read up on cases and debate the death penalty to yourself, which I think is a really important exercise, you should look at Robert, his name is Robert Robertson's case.
He was convicted of murdering his daughter via shaken baby syndrome.
But people, there's controversy around it, so check it out.
tim pool
He's getting the death penalty for that?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Kind of wild.
I thought the death penalty was just for like if you're like tortured and it was like egregious murders.
hannah claire brimelow
I think if you murder your own child with shaken baby syndrome, people are pretty against it.
tim pool
No, but right, but death penalty is for when you've committed a crime so serious that you're a threat to others, you cannot reasonably be imprisoned.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just an interesting case, right?
cj pearson
What state was that?
hannah claire brimelow
That one is, I think that one's Texas.
tim pool
Like the Marcellus Williams, because I get, he had other felonies for burglaries, and he was convicted of stabbing a woman 43 times.
That's like a heinously, insanely brutal thing to do, where the argument legally is, we don't think this person will be safe to be around for anybody, so this warrants the death penalty.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
cj pearson
That case is hard for me because I think you look at it as criminal history and that's
obviously trying to be arrested that many times for a range of seemingly violent offenses.
But the DNA is just, for it to be inconclusive, I did read an argument where they said,
tim pool
It was wearing gloves.
cj pearson
We're applying 2024 DNA standards to old evidence.
And their argument was like the DNA that was on the piece of evidence belonged to one of
the crime scene technicians.
tim pool
I think the prosecutor, because they handled it without gloves, presuming that the case was over, and Williams was accused of wearing gloves when he committed the murder anyway, which would make sense.
So there wouldn't have been his DNA on the weapon.
But, you know, I don't know.
The only thing I can say is, I have no comment on the actual merits of the case.
There's always some kind of doubt.
The question is, if the family said they wanted life without possibility of parole, then why not just be like, okay, you know, in the interest of justice, the families have decided this is what they want to do.
Many people responded with, victims have no say in what justice is.
And, well, you know, opinions are opinions.
All right, let's go.
Jay Redd says, everyone seems to have glossed over the Secret Service text saying, looks like someone followed our lead as crooks entered from the Secret Service parking lot.
Indeed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Kind of weird.
Jason Dixon says, let's go, Tim!
Franchise the Castbrew.
I'll hire some former Hooters girls in Houston.
There's a plan.
ian crossland
There you go.
When people want to franchise, is there a good way for them to contact?
Because sometimes I'll get messages.
tim pool
I cannot issue any comments on those words for legal reasons.
ian crossland
OK, good to know.
tim pool
Yeah, you're not allowed to.
We're working on many things related to a national expansion.
You're not allowed to talk about... Why would you ask that question after I like... Okay.
What am I supposed to do?
ian crossland
We'll go later.
tim pool
Tell me more about the thing you just didn't want to talk about.
unidentified
Yes, please.
ian crossland
Let's go deeper into this hole.
tim pool
Jason Dixon says, thank Ian for coming out and gaming with us.
Very blessed.
Ian has my respect.
ian crossland
Yeah, man, we went into the TimCast Discord and played Seven Days to Die.
It was awesome.
Unfortunately, the server was a little slow, so I think we're going to upgrade the server so that Horde Night's smooth, but man, it was so fun.
So you guys, get in the TimCast Discord, get in the gaming servers.
That's what it's all about.
tim pool
You know what we need to do is we need a Magic the Gathering commander room in the Discord.
ian crossland
Yeah.
You were gaming on Gamer Maids earlier today, I saw, too.
tim pool
Well, it's because they were playing Trials, and I am a Master.
ian crossland
So we're planning on doing a magic show.
Not the kind of magic show that maybe your grandmother would think it was, but like an actual Magic the Gathering show.
Tim and I have been knocking this idea around for, I don't know, five months or something.
tim pool
Well, because we wanted to do Poker with the Boys.
There are some developments there.
I suppose I should announce this, too.
We are drafting a lawsuit against the state of Virginia.
This one I'm going to go ham on.
We're drafting a lawsuit against the state of Virginia for... I'll just break it down for you.
The West Virginia law says that card games are illegal.
Hosting a card game is illegal.
It doesn't actually say gambling, it says wagering money on a card game for which you can win prizes of cash value or cash equivalent is illegal.
Anyone who does these things is guilty of a misdemeanor.
We've got ourselves a problem.
So poker is heavily regulated.
If you want to play social poker, there's a difference between table game poker at a casino, like three-card poker, four-card poker, you know, what have you got, ultimate hold'em?
That's gambling.
Blackjack is gambling.
You've got a 50-50 shot and you're flipping a coin to hopefully get the cards to beat the house.
50-50.
It's not even 50-50.
It could be like 42% if you're playing three-card poker.
Don't play three-card poker.
So Texas Hold'em, you choose your odds.
You could throw away every hand and wait till you get aces and you got 83% chance to win.
That's your call.
And then you got to play it right.
It's a skill game.
So in order to play poker in the state of West Virginia, you got to go to one of five Uh, hotels.
In fact, one of them doesn't even have a poker room anymore, so there's like three or four places in West Virginia you can legally play poker.
There's a problem.
You can play Yu-Gi-Oh!
Magic and Pokemon at, like, a thousand different locations.
A child can walk into a shop where they will host a card game, as defined under the law as illegal, give $20 to the man, wagering money, to play a card game in the hopes to win cash prizes or cash equivalent prizes.
That is illegal under West Virginia law.
Now the argument is, collectible card games are exempt.
Which is not really an argument, that's just what the Lottery Commission told me.
And I said, why is a child allowed to wager money on a card game to win cash, but I as an adult can't play poker unless I'm in a regulated West Virginia State Lottery location?
And they said, collectible card games are exempt.
So, uh, we are going to sue, and they're either going to have to ban Pokemon, or they're going to have to legalize social poker.
So we are filing a lawsuit over this.
That'll be coming soon.
ian crossland
Well, I hope they don't ban Pokemon.
Maybe they should just open up poker a little bit.
tim pool
Oh, I couldn't imagine what would happen to these people if they banned Pokemon cards.
ian crossland
Yeah, because, dude, local tournaments on a Friday night for $20 is like some of the heartbeat of that community.
You want to empower those people to play together.
tim pool
And what's wrong with a couple of boys getting together for some beers and playing a $20 game of Hold'em?
a 10 cent, 20 cent game where they throw 20 bucks down.
So the issue I have is there is currently no law in the books that creates exemptions
for this.
Gambling is unconstitutional in the state.
The argument is that, oh, Pokemon's a skill game.
It's a card game under the law.
The law says card game.
It doesn't define what a card game is.
It's a game played with cards.
Pokemon is a game played with cards.
So they're going to have to change the law, and they're going to have to either ban Pokemon
or legalize social.
ian crossland
Yeah, because ultimately, I think about, like, Slay the Spire, turn-based strategy games may be in the guise of cards, they may be in the guise of papers that you draw, they may be in the guise of chips that you toss in the air and they land on the table, they might be in the guise of dice that you roll.
Like, turn-based strategy can exist in a lot of forms.
Cards might be one of those forms.
So calling it a card game is very vague.
tim pool
It's this simple.
If you go to a casino and you sit down at a blackjack table, you can ask the dealer what you're supposed to do because the basic rules, the basic strategy is on a little card they could hand you and you can look at.
That's gambling.
If you sit down in the poker room at a casino, I guarantee you 100% you will lose all of your money.
And I see it happen all the time.
It is a skill game.
If you don't know what you're doing, if you don't know what the words mean, it's like, imagine if I said this.
Ian, we're gonna have a skateboard contest.
Hundred bucks to enter.
You win.
If I win, I get to keep all the money.
If you win, you get to keep all the money.
Would you enter that contest?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Because you don't know how to skateboard.
ian crossland
Correct.
tim pool
And that's the same thing with poker.
And same thing with Pokemon.
And same thing with Magic the Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh!
So why is social poker, and social poker is a specific category here, Why is that regulated under the Lottery Commission?
ian crossland
Does that factor into the game?
Like if we do a show at this point, so we've got to kind of organize with the legal system before we start doing our shows and stuff?
That's why we're suing.
tim pool
So we want to do poker with the boys where Friday nights we play a game of poker, probably a couple hundred bucks per person to buy in to make it an actual low stakes game.
That's what low stakes is, between $100 and $400.
Not the crazy games you see with the millionaires or anything like that, but it's illegal in West Virginia.
And I said, why?
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
So if we play Magic the Gathering and I throw money down, that's fine?
And they're like, yep.
ian crossland
Well, in the meantime, we can do Friday nights with the boys and the girls, and we can play Magic in this room.
tim pool
That was the idea.
ian crossland
Mount some cameras so you can see the table and the hands and all that.
cj pearson
Or you could play Pokemon.
ian crossland
Or we could.
tim pool
Definitely not Pokemon.
ian crossland
Never played it before.
Dane's into it.
I think Dane understands the game very well.
tim pool
But anyway, that's an update for you guys.
We are drafting that lawsuit against the state of West Virginia.
And we'll see what happens.
It will be, I think, very fun to litigate.
And, you know, I think it would be very weird and hilarious if West Virginia announces... Could you imagine what the conversation would be nationally if they're like, Pokemon cards are banned in West Virginia?
It's illegal child gambling.
cj pearson
You're gonna have eight-year-olds playing underground poker.
Underground Pokemon.
tim pool
No, I think whoever's in office will get impeached and removed because every single 12-year-old will be screaming and the parents are going to be like, what just happened?
And they're going to be calling, being like, why are my kids freaking out?
How did you get kids mad?
And they're like, well, we made Pokemon illegal.
And they're going to be like, well, it's always been illegal.
Nah.
Because here's the problem right now.
I talked to the Lottery Commission and the AG about this.
If I make a game called Magical Wizard Quest...
Which is four elements and 13 of each element, and you have to combine the different cards to cast a spell, and every wizard has to put their mana in the middle, and the winner gets all the mana.
We're just describing poker, but if I use it in those terms, it's legal now.
No joke.
That's insane under the law.
That can't function properly.
If you play poker but call spades fire, diamonds water, clubs earth, and hearts wind, it's legal now.
And it's like, I have a golden fireball card, and I got pocket fireballs.
I won $400.
They're like, well, it's a collectible card game.
You're allowed to do it.
I'm like, OK, let's just legalize poker, guys.
This is ridiculous.
ian crossland
Maybe, and at the very least, legalize it.
OK, I don't want to die.
We can talk about this later.
tim pool
We'll grab some more Super Chats here.
All right, H Badger says, further in the Timcast viewer tradition, I've been a longtime listener and currently in the hospital welcoming our second child to the world.
Keep up the great work!
Congratulations!
hannah claire brimelow
These are the best messages.
Way to contribute to the reversal of the collapsing birth rate.
I really appreciate it.
You have to go for one more, so we're over the 2.3.
Love it.
unidentified
S.A.
tim pool
Federale says, TimCast live daily shows and weekend shows are the new Tucker Cold Open.
Today went hard.
I wish I knew when I had more money to throw out subscriptions.
Straight up logos.
knew when I had more money to throw out subscriptions, straight up logos.
Appreciate it.
Well, I was mad this morning, Sean, I was talking about the Secret Service report, the
Senate report, that the Secret Service watched the law enforcement with guns running towards
I'm like, they stood down.
They literally stood down.
I was pissed.
ian crossland
You do Saturday and Sunday, too?
tim pool
I did this past weekend.
We're coming up to the election, and I was like, probably makes sense, but, you know, I'd like to do the morning streams just because I enjoy doing them.
They're fun.
But I imagine sooner or later Allison's gonna like lurk in the shadows and show up with a rope and she's gonna drag me out.
She's gonna be like, no, you work too much.
hannah claire brimelow
Crazy Allison wanting to spend time with you.
tim pool
I know.
ian crossland
It is good to get away from the machine to like just get your body healthy and get traction, social traction, and then come back to the machine with like fervor and vigor.
tim pool
I already work too much.
But I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.
I mean, like, I do a morning show and a night show and... Just stare into your woman's eyes, man, and make babies.
ian crossland
That's what it's all about.
tim pool
All right.
Ben D says, Tim, we are in a recession.
Pull up St.
Louis Fed 27-week unemployment.
Every time that has ever increased, we have been in a recession.
They're just lying because they know they're gonna lose an election, so they're lying.
Nick James says, I've been a consistent IRL watcher since early 2022.
For the past 8 months, I haven't gotten a single IRL notification.
Suddenly, YouTube decided to let me have them again.
And I've gotten a live notification every day this week.
Alright!
That's good.
I suppose.
So, um...
Share the show, everybody, right now.
If you like the show, take the URL and share it.
Maybe there's an easy way we can do this, because I mentioned this.
If every single person who watched at one moment tweeted out the show, it would create a worldwide trend.
I'm not kidding.
If you look at the worldwide trends, you'll see sometimes it's like 10,000 or 20,000.
Sometimes it's not that many.
If 50,000 people tweeted Teamcast and I are out the exact same time. It would be the
number one worldwide trend.
ian crossland
On Twitter, I think a post on Twitter with a link in it, an external link,
it's downregulated in the algorithm. So if there's a way to tweet it out without the link,
and then the first comment in the thread is the link to the show, you'll get way more traction.
tim pool
When we tried multistreaming, the problem with multistreaming was that
it created a desynchronized the start of the show. And so what happened is we're like,
we have this debate coming up. We're going to do the multistream for it because we don't want to
get taken down. And it worked really, really well. Rumble kept crashing, no disrespect. We love
Rumble. And they worked on it. They fixed it. The problem was the next time we tried going
multistream, you YouTube was ready to go, we hit our call time, and X and Rumble hadn't ingested the stream at the same amount of time, so YouTube was faster.
Then Rumble lit up, then X lit up, and so we have to wait till they're all live to hit the Go Live button, because it's one button.
One button activates all of them, but they have to ingest the stream first.
ian crossland
I use Streamlabs, and I go live on YouTube, Twitter... But do you wait in the beginning?
Twitch is a good platform for this show too.
tim pool
We'll get banned in two seconds, dude.
ian crossland
Maybe, maybe not though.
It's Amazon, I mean, they're pretty cool.
It's a gamification.
tim pool
Might as well.
hannah claire brimelow
Jeff Bezos is a pretty cool guy.
tim pool
Did you have to wait in the open?
Because what happened to us is.
ian crossland
No, I just go live and it sends to all platforms, rumbles another one.
tim pool
Why don't you go watch the streams and see where it cut you off?
ian crossland
It might be desynced though, I don't know.
tim pool
They're going to be, what's going to happen is.
ian crossland
Usually wait before I say talk.
tim pool
You're going to open X and it's going to start 10 seconds into the show
and you're going to be going, but that's what I told him not to do.
Anyway, onto the show and it's going to be like, wait, wait, what was he saying?
Because it's going to cut the beginning off.
We can't do that.
We have a cold open.
So.
What about the... It says TimCast, you know, and here's the promo, and then we have to wait till they're all loaded so we know we can press go.
ian crossland
When do we go?
Isn't there the TimCast IRL, like, lead-in monitor screen for, like, 20 seconds, and then we start talking?
tim pool
So we have a delay, then there's, like, five seconds beyond that, and the problem is, if it's not ingesting the stream, we cannot press live.
ian crossland
We gotta get a theme song that plays in the beginning.
tim pool
Even that would be fine.
No, no, no, no.
Like a sitcom intro... We used to wait 30 seconds and everyone complained about it.
Because they were like, just go live.
And then the problem is, when the show ends, people want to watch the show later, and there's a minute or two of dead air.
And people were like, I want the show to just start.
And so we're like, we'll try to make it start as fast as we can.
So there's about 10 to 15 seconds of dead air.
Maybe a little bit more, I don't know.
But that's the challenge, man.
That's a challenge.
Although I would like to multistream, it would be would be fun.
ian crossland
But yeah, you can funnel the chats into one mega chat too.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, let's read some more.
All right.
2300gearjammer says it should be renamed the Department of Offense and all high-ranking officials should be required to announce themselves by saying, I'm a huge piece of do.
unidentified
Aha!
tim pool
Indeed.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Trying to Learn says, bombing at California courthouse just reported.
Is this political or a local nut job?
I saw that earlier.
I'm not sure.
hannah claire brimelow
They haven't.
They took a man into custody for it.
If you go to SCNR.com, I covered it today.
They took a man into custody.
At least five people were injured last I saw.
And it was what appeared to be an explosive device that went off that presumably he created.
But they haven't said who he was or who he is and what the motivation was.
But yeah.
Santa Maria County Superior Courthouse.
tim pool
Outdoors with Morgan says, love you Ian, but Tim's right.
I was there on 7-13 and I will be there on 10-5.
Trump raising his fist showed leadership, massive balls, and it let us know that he was okay and we will be okay.
ian crossland
Yeah, but imagine, just for a second, what if he'd got hit after he got back up?
How horrible that would have been.
So I agree it did, in retrospect, give us hope that he survived in the face, but like, it's not a good replicatable thing for a president to do if he gets shot out on stage from an unknown assailant.
You want him to stay down.
tim pool
He needed to stand up.
ian crossland
I don't know about that.
tim pool
He had just gotten hit and dropped to the ground and people were saying online, did he die?
Trump stood up so that everybody could see instantly in the video he is okay.
cj pearson
And it's been the defining moment of the campaign.
Like that picture will probably be the most iconic image of my lifetime.
It's insane.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, maybe Trump could have dropped down and then just feigned injury so they carried him out because then the news would have been insane.
Maybe, you know, I was talking about this.
We were going to the RNC.
We had just arrived.
It's Saturday.
And so we have no equipment.
We arrived before the crew and everything is set up.
And so we go to our hotel, we get lunch, and then I'm like, let's go to hang out at Potawatomi.
You know, Bingo Casino over in Milwaukee.
And I'm playing poker.
There's this state rep from Missouri who was there.
It was really cool.
And no one knew anything.
At one moment, I look up at him, he looks at me, and I was like, did you just hear what happened?
He's like, yeah, I just turned around and I'm like, holy crap, dude.
And we're looking at all the TVs are just sports and other garbled nonsense.
Nobody knew.
Nobody cared.
Nobody knew.
Went around.
But.
I wonder, if Donald Trump stayed down and Secret Service lifted him up and actually carried him out, and people thought that he might have lost his life, every television station in the country would have switched to breaking news, because they would have feared that he actually died.
cj pearson
The problem would have been, I think, after that, when people realized the injury was just, like, to his ear, the media would have made that such a- Exactly.
ian crossland
Such a coward.
tim pool
They would have said, what a weak- he got grazed in the ear and he collapses and faints, are you kidding me?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, do you remember the debate over at the RNC where they were like, does his bandage have to be that big?
They don't think any reason to think Trump is being dramatic.
tim pool
Trump could have just laid low for a few weeks and said that the injury ended up being superficial and, you know, or something.
Well, let's grab a couple more Super Chats.
Kyle Pickett says, Ian, please use your weather powers to help pray for the Floridians and others that are about to face the wrath of Mother Nature.
I'm one, and I'm staying on the coast in the Florida Panhandle.
ian crossland
Who is that?
tim pool
Kyle Pickett.
ian crossland
Kyle, you have the power to manipulate the weather as well.
That's the point.
All of our magnetic fields can interfere.
The Native Americans had the rain dances they could do, but I can't do it for you.
You have to do it for you.
tim pool
Okay, Ian, we've got five days of rain here.
Why don't you make it stop?
ian crossland
Because I like the rain.
cj pearson
I know.
tim pool
I want it to stop.
Everybody here needs the rain to stop.
It's getting really bad and it's damaging to the local flora and fauna.
ian crossland
Yeah?
tim pool
There's too much rain.
So how about you make the rain stop?
ian crossland
I mean, I could try.
I was thinking that on the ride over.
It was kind of gloomy.
tim pool
If tomorrow I check the weather report again and the rain forecast is gone, I will believe you.
Well, I'm being honest.
ian crossland
I can't actually do it.
I don't want to do it right now.
hannah claire brimelow
Why wouldn't you?
You spend a lot of time in Florida.
Why wouldn't you go to Florida and try and stop the hurricane?
ian crossland
Because the people in Florida can do it.
hannah claire brimelow
But you're saying you can control the weather, so why don't you go down there and do it now?
ian crossland
Everyone can control the weather.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, but you have the specific power.
You've told me this.
ian crossland
I just figured out how to do it.
unidentified
Everyone has the power.
ian crossland
You don't want to help people of Florida.
tim pool
Let's grab some more superchats.
ian crossland
I'm not going to Florida next week.
tim pool
All right, all right, guys.
We got Bardo, who says, I fooled myself into believing that I needed to create a parallel economy account to become a member.
The lawsuit has inspired me to try to find a way to become a member, only to find out I could have just been a member this whole time.
So let me tell you about the things we do here at TimCast.
When you go to TimCast.com and click Join Us, to sign up, we have two options.
PayPal is no longer an option.
Parallel economy is our principal financial mechanism for your transactions.
Parallel economy, of course, is associated with Rumble and Dan Bongino.
It is an alternate financial transaction system so we can get away from the cancel culture machine and build up our own resilient institutions.
So, there are fees in all these transactions.
Here's the best part.
When you become a member, not only Are you helping support our work?
But we actually pay for that service, which means portions of the money that you pay actually help Dan Bongino and Rumble's financial services company, which is helping build the parallel economy.
You're basically buying more than just Timcast.
You're actually buying the financial services.
So we try to make sure that everything we're using, we're on a Rumble cloud.
We're trying to make sure that we're supporting the infrastructure and the ecosystem outside of the cancel culture institutions to the best of our abilities.
So consider becoming a member at TimCast.com for the general support across the board.
And we're also suing Kamala Harris.
So, you know, that's fun too.
ian crossland
What's the flow to become a member?
tim pool
You go to the website, is there a... You go to the website, the top right says sign up.
You click it.
Then you can choose.
Ten bucks is the membership, but you can always choose more because we have like the $25, the silver membership where you get a special VIP room and If you sign up for $25, you can instantly submit questions to join the members-only show.
Whereas at $10, there's a six-month wait period.
We have to do that because we had weirdos causing problems.
And so there's gotta be some kind of gate, either time or money.
And we decided to do both because I felt like some people are like, I ain't waiting six months, I'm not gonna join.
Some people are like, $25, you're crazy.
I'm like, both.
You can sign up, hang out, wait, six months later, you're in.
But the weirdos try coming in, disrupting, stealing videos, just all these other problems.
You can sign up for a hundred bucks.
That's the elite members club.
The purpose of that, admittedly, is more privy to access to the inner workings.
Um, you know, people come and hang out sometimes, but it was mostly because we want to set up a physical hangout space in Martinsburg.
And the hundred bucks a month is like, it's a private club.
You come in, you scan, you get, you get a key fob and you go beep and you walk in and then you're hanging out with the boys sharing ideas and you have this private space to hang out in.
So we do have the elite club, but we're still trying to get this building set up.
We thought it was going to be done in June and it's taken forever.
So, that's the plan there, but you can sign up for whatever you want.
TimCast.com, you click sign up, ten bucks a month, and then there's a thing to explain how to join the Discord server and get involved in all that stuff, which we're going to go do now, so smash that like button, subscribe, share the show, everybody just share it all the time, just take the URL, post it everywhere, it really, really does help.
You can follow me on Axe at TimCast, you can follow me on Instagram as well at TimCast, and you can follow at TimCastIRL on Instagram.
CJ, do you want to shout anything out?
cj pearson
Yeah, you guys can follow me as well at The C.J.
Pearson.
I'll catch up with you there.
ian crossland
Always a pleasure, C.J.
Pearson.
cj pearson
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
Good to see you, man.
And I'm Ian Crossland.
Like I said at the beginning of the show, I've been streaming like a wild man six to ten hours a day.
It's been fantastic.
On YouTube, X, and Twitch.
So follow me on Twitch at Ian Crossland.
Come check it out.
Subscribe.
Come watch the show.
I'm on my way to Twitch partnership.
It's exciting and I will I'll see you there follow me subscribe become a member all the things above I also have a discord I'm in the Tim cast discord.
I'm in my own discord And you can find that on the live streams You'll get links to that and I'm just really excited for the entire integration process and it's super fun and maybe we'll what I'd love to do is get a system where all the people from all the discords can come to a room and we can all like have like a unified system and It's feeling very globalist, you know?
Yeah, that's what I am, man.
I'm the integrator.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, man.
It's been so fun having you here.
I'm glad we could talk especially about Eric Adams.
cj pearson
I know, my guy.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, that's Scanner News.
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