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April 26, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Adam Schiff ROBBED In SF, Democrat Policy Lands IN HIS FACE w/Auron Macintyre | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
So, Democrat Adam Schiff got robbed in San Francisco.
No one's really surprised because that's San Francisco.
And, well, when your policies are as such, you will reap what you have sown.
And so a lot of people are celebrating the news, but...
I mean, I really doubt it'll bring any positive change.
The news report's funny, though.
They say because his luggage got stolen from his car, he couldn't, he had to go to a dinner without a suit on.
We'll talk about that.
And of course, you've got the ongoing protests across the country pertaining to anti-Israel sentiment.
And then you've got, this is kind of a big story, Kristi Noem, potential Trump VP pick, I guess decided to end her career, intentionally letting everyone know that she shot and killed her 14-month-old dog because she couldn't train it properly.
So she killed it, and I guess we'll talk about that.
And then there is a much bigger story, but I suppose the challenge with this is giving it air could potentially exacerbate the issue, but there is what many people are calling the echo of George Floyd, a black man who was yelling, I can't breathe, as police subdued him, and then they kneeled on his back and he died.
Granted, the story apparently is that he was involved in a fatal, or not a fatal, but he was involved in a drunk car accident of some sort, knocking out a telephone pole.
So the police were trying to apprehend him, and he resisted, and now here we are.
So we'll talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Aron McIntyre.
auron macintyre
Hey man, thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
auron macintyre
I've got a show over on Blaze TV, podcast, The Orrin McIntyre Show, write columns over at The Blaze, and then I've also got a new book coming out, The Total State, comes out May 7th.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Phil's here.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
What's up, Hannah?
hannah claire brimelow
Hi!
Well, my name's Hannah Clare.
phil labonte
Yes, I'm sorry.
hannah claire brimelow
Wow, Phil, I thought we were friends.
unidentified
I know.
phil labonte
Hey, look, I got it out.
As soon as it stopped, I was like, you're messing up.
You're blowing it.
And I was like, all right.
hannah claire brimelow
You self-corrected, and it is a double first name.
I'm Hannah Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
I'm really grateful to be part of that team.
Hi, Serge.
unidentified
Hello.
Hope you guys are well today.
tim pool
Happy Friday.
All right, let's go.
Here's the fun story.
Thieves snatch rep Adam Schiff's luggage in San Francisco.
He gives dinner speech without a suit.
Oh, poor him.
Okay, the real story here is that crime is out of control.
And I throw it back to that Benny Johnson video.
I don't know if you guys saw that one where he was reporting on crime and got robbed while he's filming this video.
Everyone's kind of cheering the story on because Adam Schiff, of course, is a Democrat who champions these policies.
He's very anti-Trump.
And the policies that he has pushed and championed as part of the Democratic Party has led to great suffering.
And I guess when people say, hey, look, now he is, you know, victim of these crimes as well, there's a bit of schadenfreude in there.
I don't think it's going to change anything, though.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I think part of it is that what I'm seeing widely reported is, you know, everyone who goes to San Francisco is advised to do not leave anything in your car, anything valuable at all.
And for whatever reason, this congressman who represents a California district that has a major city, it's like part of L.A., was like, girls don't apply to me.
No worries.
This wouldn't happen to me.
I mean, is this a sense of being out of touch or is this just I mean, people make mistakes and leave stuff in their car.
But he should know that most major cities in California are extremely dangerous.
tim pool
I mean, SF is like the place where it's all happening.
Part of me is like, this guy's like a deep state stooge, so he of course knows about this.
I guess there's a possibility that Democrats just don't read the news and they have no idea what's going on.
So he's like, I can't believe this happened.
Who would have known?
auron macintyre
I think at this point it's just very clear that liberals are incapable of self-government.
They aren't able to enforce the law.
They aren't able to have anything that's pro-social.
Everything about their coalition is about destroying law and order and so I think when the consequences come they don't care because ultimately the important part is using anarcho-tyranny to govern a lot of people that they hate.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it does seem like it's something that happens to other people in their eyes, and it's not something you have to think about.
It's interesting, because I just pulled the crime statistics, but one of the areas that's in his congressional list, which is West Hollywood, which has seen a 137% crime increase in one year.
That was in 2022.
I mean, he knows that crime is bad!
What was he thinking?
And also, again, does it just not matter?
Is he not thinking?
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know what the hell he's thinking.
It's kind of obvious.
You can look around and you see a ton of homeless people and stuff.
You can just use your gut instinct and be like, hey, this area looks like it's not a good idea to leave stuff in my vehicles.
He has to know about the policies of the rental car places that are like, you know, Telling people don't leave anything in your car or whatever.
So, I mean, it's funny that it happened to him.
tim pool
I'm going to go with Orrin on this one.
Liberals are not capable of self-governance.
He just has no idea what's going on, does he?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, out of touch, it seems like no cause and effect.
auron macintyre
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and he has to worry because now his suitcase could be in the possession of a
crossdresser who works for the Biden administration.
unidentified
Right. I mean, you know, that only happens at airports. OK.
tim pool
All right. You know, part of me looking at all this stuff, I'm kind of like maybe this is
just the ebb and flow of society that we have made everything so safe and comfortable that those who
normally could not survive in this environment are now capable of doing so and then achieving
political power, which causes conflict.
You know, it's like the fourth turning.
It's a stressed-out generational theory.
But I don't think it's necessarily that weak men make hard times, is the easy way to put it.
It's that there's just lack of responsibility across the board.
I guess it's technically true to say weak men create hard times, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, all that stuff.
But what I see here is People vote for random chaos.
I look at it more like just static.
It's noise, right?
There's no organization, because the strong people allow the chaos to actually grow.
Then the chaos overtakes the order, things go crazy, and then things, like, so it's like an ebb and flow of order and chaos, I guess?
phil labonte
There's the people, just the fact that our society demands a social safety net, it Totally glosses over the fact that a the existence of a social safety net is saving people that otherwise would not be saved and that means that like and it's very Darwinian stuff But it's like if you're if you have like people that otherwise like would die off or or like couldn't survive Like with the social safety net that's that's making sure that these people survive.
So it's it's like You know, you're going to have a society, you're going to have a portion of your society that you have to do something with that can't function in society because of the fact that you have a social safety net, right?
We don't allow people to just die in the street.
So you have to have a society that says, we acknowledge that we have a social safety net and we're going to do something about it.
And that's something that California hasn't done.
If you're going to have a social safety net, you have to have a place to put people that can't function in society normally.
tim pool
I feel like if we didn't have a social safety net, we wouldn't have people dying in the street.
I feel like it is the creation of the social safety net which creates people dying in the street.
auron macintyre
It reduces the responsibility of families and communities to take care of people.
If you had smaller communities, if you had communities that weren't artificially created, people would feel a duty.
They would know the guy at the end of the street.
They would know the family he's connected to.
They would feel compelled to do that.
But when it's handed over to the government, they don't feel that.
And so therefore, they're like, well, that's someone else's problem.
And that abstraction allows them to have this stuff.
tim pool
But it's not just that, I think there would be substantially less of that circumstance in the first place.
We create a system where you are able to make a choice of, you know what, I won't work.
Well, because someone takes care of you.
If we were talking about natural order and natural law, we would not have these problems.
Because it'd quite literally be like, good luck finding food.
You would be too busy trying to survive and find food.
But because food is easily abundant, because you don't have to work because of government assistance and all these programs, it creates an option for people to take.
And then you've got people in big cities who are thinking, well, they're not going to criminally charge me.
What's easier, hunting a boar or stealing luggage from this guy's car?
Clearly, stealing luggage.
There's no conflict.
So, you get rid of all this stuff and just say to people, good luck, figure it out, and they will.
They will take the option and say, well, I guess I have no choice but to go hunting or farming or something.
But give them an option to steal and loot and pillage and then get away with it?
You know, it's the...
That episode of The Simpsons where Homer goes missing, and Marge is like, we have to go this way, and I'm like, how do you know which way he's going?
And she's like, Springfield slopes, you know, five degrees to the west, so Homer's gonna walk downhill.
Criminals are gonna do the same thing.
You create two paths, one slightly downhill and one's flat, and they're going to be walking downhill.
So that is, commit crimes, get away with it, they will.
You eliminate all that and say, your only path toward survival is figuring it out, and people will go in that direction.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, this is the libertarian argument for, you know, for a small government or no government, anarcho-capitalist argument, you know, the existence of the safety net means people are going to Inherently say I'm gonna rely on it because I know that I can get the very basics taken care of and especially in modern society like we have the distractions that are so Easy for people to access the internet and if you can make a look make money on you know get enough from Social Security or make money a little bit of money on a side hustle or whatever and you can pay for your your apartment and pay for the internet and pay for some weed like that that is the the
The opiate of the masses for today, and whether or not that's clearly not good for society, but that is what society is promoting at the end of the day.
And the reason I say that is because there are so many people choosing that option.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that's because they have a lack of motivation, a lack of religion?
What drives people to sort of pick this?
phil labonte
I think it's a lot of things.
I think it's a combination of things.
I mean, I think it's a lot of things, and I think that a lack of religion, not because I personally am religious, but because it gives meaning to a lot of people, and it gives order to people.
Like people lack purpose.
I think that as much as people say they want to be free, which everyone wants to feel like they have options and stuff, I think most people need some kind of structure in their life, and I think that society should Promote what a structure that is best for most people.
It's okay to have in my opinion is okay to have a society that makes room for people that are outside of the norm, right?
Like you want to live a different type of lifestyle.
We can have a society that makes room for it.
But the idea that society is promoting, you know, Alternative lifestyles is totally counterproductive to society itself, right?
You shouldn't be saying, hey, we should promote single mothers and we should hold single mothers in high esteem.
And it's hard because you don't want to say, look, you're a single mother, so you're bad.
But at the same time, we want to promote two-parent households.
That's what's best for society.
And it's not like it's my opinion saying that.
hannah claire brimelow
This gets replicated in studies all the time.
phil labonte
And it's also it's like look at societies that are successful generally that's kind of the way they work in
the in in Modern on my earth, you know, you saw the mayor of San Jose
tim pool
had that fight or whatever happened He's like giving an interview and then some crazy guy in
this just walks up to a security guard starts punching him like
unidentified
Really gets up not right. He gets better and better every day
tim pool
you know the thing is with California is Combine giving people free stuff with good weather.
Yeah, it's the perfect storm.
phil labonte
Dude, it's the weather.
Every time I go there, I went there like, I think I went to California six times last year, and every time I'm like, I get it.
I'm like, I'm not going to move here, but I get it.
hannah claire brimelow
Everything's awesome.
phil labonte
February, I, you know, I leave New Hampshire, drive down into Hartford, get on the plane, and it sucks at four in the morning or whatever, land in California, you're just like, oh, it's beautiful, no wonder why, like, it's so nice, they can literally imprison people, and only the rich people can get out of there, you know?
auron macintyre
But does that say something about the state that it only attracts, like, the people who have things easiest?
Like, maybe there's some, you know, continuity there between, like, connection between, like, the difficulty of life and the rhythms of life and how many people come there and end up just living outside and, you know, wasting away in that environment?
I don't know, just...
phil labonte
Well, I mean, it does.
There is something to be said about, you know, people that decide to stay in, like, northern climates that are more difficult to live in.
Like, there are people that are, like, a little bit more like, I would rather be, you know, in this kind of environment.
tim pool
Utqiagvik.
phil labonte
Pardon me?
Utqiagvik.
That's up there, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
In Alaska.
Those people are serious about their independence.
But I mean, that's kind of like, if you want independence, you know, it's Florida or somewhere cold.
tim pool
But we did talk about this on the Culture War podcast this morning, that communists are, I have this backwards, but cold weather people tend towards community or communal or even communism.
And that's why Canada is the way it is.
Because the people who survived there were people who relied on each other, and so they're very much just do what you're told to do.
unidentified
Maybe.
hannah claire brimelow
Because you can freeze in parts of Canada, especially if you're completely by yourself.
tim pool
And then you get Florida people who are just like, leave me alone or else.
And Texas.
Communists like cold.
That's it.
There you go.
phil labonte
I am sympathetic to the idea that the people that decided to come to New England or Southern United States or whatever wave of people it is, they are the people that tend to be more like, hey, I'm going to go and make my life, as opposed to people that are just like, hey, I want I feel a connection to this land or whatever, because there are people that are like, you know, I feel like I'm a New Englander.
I'm probably always going to feel like I'm a New Englander.
I think I always will, too.
hannah claire brimelow
And I'm first-gen New England.
There is something about growing up in that region, the sense of history, the culture that's there.
It's unique.
I think there are a lot of different unique regional cultures in America, and I think you're right.
It probably does have to do with who went there, right?
I think I lived in Dallas for a little while and at the time there were tons of businesses moving there and it reminded me a lot of sort of like the German settlers who decided like, well, we're just going to go to Texas and make it work because Texas is not like a naturally easy place to, I don't know, farm or anything like that.
Or you see it with like Minnesota has a very serious Scandinavian influence in the culture because of the settlers that ended up there.
phil labonte
Are you originally from, did you grow up in Florida?
auron macintyre
No, dad was in the Air Force when I was young, so we moved all over the place, but ended up living in Florida more than anywhere else.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
This is the political scandal, I guess.
Trump VP candidate Kristi Noem reveals she shot and killed her 14-month-old trained assassin dog Cricket and gunned down a goat in eye-opening new book.
Sure.
Did Kristi Noem decide she just wasn't gonna do politics anymore?
She's just like, I'm out.
You know, this is it for me.
And then her advisors were like, well, you can't just quit.
People will, like, they're going to criticize you.
She'll be like, well, what if I tell everyone that I shot and killed a dog?
A young dog, a pet, a puppy?
They'll be like, well, there you go.
Then people will hate you and you're good.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I want it to be like her advisors were like, well, people think because you're a woman, you might be too emotional.
And she's like, I can solve this by saying I murdered a puppy because he was too difficult to train.
They're like, great, that'll make you sound tough.
tim pool
I think that actually makes her sound emotional and unstable.
hannah claire brimelow
It makes her sound crazy.
I think she might have bad advisors.
phil labonte
That's the first thing that I thought is like, how did this, this is in a book that she wrote and released.
Like, how did it get passed?
hannah claire brimelow
Unless her publisher was like, we don't want to see you be VP.
Definitely leave this anecdote in.
auron macintyre
It's definitely a bad sign when you are that insulated where no one has the gumption just come up and tell you like, no, you're going to kill your career.
Like no, everyone is so terrified of you that they won't just come up and be like, no, this sounds like you're a sociopath.
You can't put this into a book.
phil labonte
Just to bring it up.
I mean, I feel like you'd be like at least someone to be like, yo.
unidentified
Like, that's something you keep, just bury that deep dark down.
hannah claire brimelow
Just suppress that forever.
phil labonte
Are you sure you want to put this story out?
Like, can you leave it out?
And will the book be the same and still tell the story that you're looking to tell?
Because, whoa!
tim pool
She tweeted about it.
unidentified
Man.
tim pool
I don't think this is politically incorrect!
but tough decisions like this happen all the time on a farm.
Sadly, we just had to put down three horses a few weeks ago that had been in our family for 25 years.
If you want more real, honest, and politically incorrect stories
that'll have the media gasping, pre-order, no going back.
unidentified
I don't think this is politically incorrect.
tim pool
I killed my dog, I killed my dog, buy my book.
phil labonte
That's so bad.
hannah claire brimelow
That's not the defense here, team.
First off, the horse is 25 years.
That's a long time.
I don't know how long horses live, but that seems like a long horse life.
A young puppy that you were having trouble training being like, I just got frustrated.
That's not politically incorrect.
That's crazy.
tim pool
There was a woman who tweeted, I was watching Fallout on Amazon and just stopped with the puppy murder.
Cause there's an early scene where a dog gets hurt and then people had to immediately be like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Keep watching.
Keep watching.
Like there's no puppy murders.
Like, Oh, okay.
Like there are people who will legit be like, I'm not watching this after a dog gets killed.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I can watch an action movie and you know, I can see all the bad guys getting thrown in front of trains or whatever.
But as soon as the dog goes down, I'm like, Oh, Poor taste.
auron macintyre
I played Fallout 4, and they've got the German Shepard in there, and I've got a German Shepard myself, and it's too realistic.
Every time the German Shepard gets hurt, it sounds just like your actual dog.
I couldn't play with the companion because it was too much.
phil labonte
There is, there is, like, so dogs were created by human beings, right?
Or at least we evolved together.
Like, it's not just like they're wild things that are out there.
And I, and this is maybe I'm a little bit On the sentimental side here, but I think that human beings have a responsibility to dogs because we created them.
I just saw a post by Nature is Metal or whatever, this little puppy, or not puppy, but this little dog, like this little house dog who's like a poodle, walking in the street, and three coyotes came up and just tore it apart.
And it's like, look!
Dogs are a responsibility like we have made dogs the way they are little dogs like dogs that now a lot of dogs aren't fit to live in the wild so we have a responsibility to take care of them so like that kind of stuff like oh it wasn't trained like it wasn't Snapping to it so I just killed it.
I find that really, really, really repulsive.
There is a difference between beasts of burden that we have domesticated on one hand, and dogs, which were literally a creation of man because we have picked the ones and bred them to do certain things, that we have bred out the feralness intentionally.
So I really do think we have a responsibility to it.
Well, and especially on my soapbox.
tim pool
Real quick.
Look, these little dogs, they're no longer dogs, they're rodents.
phil labonte
Fair.
tim pool
If your pet, if your small mammal can be captured by a bird of prey and taken and eaten, you don't have a dog anymore.
Yeah, you know, like a German Shepherd, ain't no bird going near that thing, but a Chihuahua, it's just a meal for a bird.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and especially to your point, with dogs, dogs are bred for purpose, right?
So if you have a dog that is specifically a breed that is meant to hunt with you, and people are really serious about this kind of stuff, like either, there's two things that can happen, like either you're not very good at training it, which is not that dog's fault, and you should rehome it, or this dog is actually just not meant for the work that you need to do, at which point you should also rehome it.
Like there are German Shepherds are a great example, or Belgium Malinois, where like.
auron macintyre
They do this with canine units all the time.
The police go ahead and adopt them out, and if they fail the training,
they don't just go shoot them.
They've got some trench that they start mowing down dogs that fail police training.
hannah claire brimelow
You get these really great videos of like, my dog like failed out of police dog school halfway through,
or like one that I saw was, it was supposed to be a service dog for someone
who was like maybe blind or something like that.
And the dog kept bringing the person shoes, but just like different ones at random.
Or like diabetic dogs that will like remember that they're supposed to bring you a snack, but they don't really remember when they're supposed to do it.
Like, it's great.
Keep them alive.
You don't need to shoot them.
tim pool
Well, there was one story I heard about a dog that was being trained to do like drug search, but it was too excited.
So now it's doing search and rescue.
Like, he loves people, let's have him find the people instead.
Like, if the dog can't be trained to hunt, just...
You know, I guess she was saying the dog was dangerous or something.
phil labonte
I don't buy it for a second.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't buy it for one second.
hannah claire brimelow
Because she described it as too excited that morning.
phil labonte
Which is like...
hannah claire brimelow
I don't care.
Like, it doesn't...
She didn't say aggressive, she said excited.
That's very different.
Yeah, I don't care.
And I also think that, like, aggressive dogs have a place too.
There are people who can handle them, and this person couldn't handle it.
That's irresponsible.
tim pool
Outside of the dog thing, again, is she just ending her political career?
Was that the move?
She doesn't want to be VP?
hannah claire brimelow
It's impossible to tell.
tim pool
They went to her and said, look, Trump is going to pick you, and you can't say no, because then his base is going to get mad at you.
You need to poison this right now.
And she's like, I'll just say I killed a dog.
Then no one will want me.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think anyone would have gotten mad at her if she'd been like, you know, I'm so honored that he thought of me as VP, but no, thank you.
Also, I don't think that would have gotten to the point where like Trump would announce that he'd asked her and she had said no, like that's not going to be what happens.
unidentified
What if Trump is like, she shot a dog and it's really good, so we're picking her.
auron macintyre
She's definitely just that isolated and checked out and insulated.
There's just no way that she, you know, had any understanding of how this impacted her career.
She definitely wants to be VP, I think.
hannah claire brimelow
It reminds me of how the Bidens treat their dogs, right?
Because they also have German Shepherds and famous... So I had, like, an older one when he moved to the White House.
He was okay.
He passed away.
But the puppies that they've had while they've been in the White House bite the service members by, like... It's like each one has bitten, like, 25 different times.
They've had to, like, re-home both of them to a friend in Delaware.
They would keep getting sent for, like, other trainings.
Now, typically, again, I'm not a dog expert, but, like, a lot of dogs will bite because they feel stressed.
Like, if you have a German Shepherd that's I mean, Joe Biden doesn't know what room he's in.
There's no way he's training a German Shepherd.
And you would think he would get a professional, right?
like not not it you know I'm saying you know Obama's got like what a labradoodle
auron macintyre
I mean Joe Biden doesn't know what room he's in there's no way he's training a
German Shepherd and you would think he would get a professional right?
tim pool
Remember when he was showering and the dog was in the bathroom with him or something?
I thought that was his daughter. Well that was a different one.
No, but he like broke his foot and it wasn't something like he was tripped over the dog or something.
Yeah, like the dog was in the bathroom with him while he was showering for some reason and then he got out of the bathtub and tripped and then the dog took his towel or I don't know.
phil labonte
Anything below waist height is a hazard for that man now.
Did you see AOC holding his hand?
No.
tim pool
I mean, I feel like this is a political scandal.
She's walking with him and she's holding his hand as he's walking.
And people are pointing this out, being like, what deal are they cutting?
And I'm like, no, he's going to fall.
There's no, maybe there's a deal.
I don't know.
She's holding his hand.
hannah claire brimelow
She thinks he's fragile.
tim pool
Yeah.
He's going to fall down and you got to, you got to help grandpa.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, good for her for helping the elderly.
That's a good instinct, but not so great that it's our Commander-in-Chief.
Rough times.
auron macintyre
If it makes you feel better, he's not running anything.
So it's all for show.
hannah claire brimelow
No, that doesn't make me feel better.
It just makes me feel lost.
tim pool
What if AOC is the shadow president?
phil labonte
No, it's Barack Obama, if there is a shadow president.
tim pool
Didn't he go to London recently?
phil labonte
Obama?
tim pool
Yeah.
He went and met some black politicians in London or something.
phil labonte
Richie Sunak, I think, is the Prime Minister of the UK now, I think.
tim pool
Well, yeah, Obama was seen having some meeting in London or whatever and people were like, what's he doing there?
It's like leading the United States.
What do you mean?
hannah claire brimelow
He's just trying to smooth whatever's going on.
Yeah, you were right.
It was the Prime Minister of the UK.
tim pool
He met with the Prime Minister.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Obama met with the Prime Minister of the UK.
hannah claire brimelow
He drops in for a cup of tea with the UK Prime Minister.
phil labonte
Hillary Clinton was doing that kind of stuff too.
I personally don't think that there is one person in charge.
I think that it's just kind of like the cabal, like the, I don't know who has the most influence at any one given time, but I don't think that there is one person that actually would be considered having, you know, ultimate influence or ultimate say in anything.
It's, it's definitely a committee where, you know, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are getting on the phone with people that are in the Biden administration and saying, Hey, this is what we think we, you know, you should do.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think Hillary Clinton ever looks at, like, Joe Biden on TV giving a speech and thinks, they wanted this guy over me?
auron macintyre
Oh, she probably cuts the eyes out in the magazines, yeah, 100%.
tim pool
No, she has the notebook where she ran into a room and opened it and wrote, Joe Biden is a fugly slut.
hannah claire brimelow
She's not mad at Joe Biden.
phil labonte
She blames Donald Trump.
Of all the people in the world, there is no one that hates Donald Trump more than Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
Who does she hate second to Donald Trump?
phil labonte
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Joe Biden.
phil labonte
I don't know.
I don't think that they didn't go with Hillary Clinton because Hillary Clinton was a dangerous choice.
Oh yeah, I agree with you.
I think there was like, no way man, you lost last time.
hannah claire brimelow
But I don't think she likes that, you know?
phil labonte
Of course she doesn't.
auron macintyre
Well, the regime wears Biden like a skin suit, right?
He's just the most malleable thing available to them.
That's why they keep him around.
tim pool
But what if he is just a skin suit?
And it's actually, like, some guy named, like, John Rickman who's just, like, wearing the skin suit.
phil labonte
There was a movie.
tim pool
And the reason why he stutters is because, like, the guy inside the skin suit is just like, oh man, don't screw this up, John.
Don't screw this up.
hannah claire brimelow
It's hard for him to keep the voice going all the time.
tim pool
Yeah.
The AI breaks.
Let's jump to this next story.
Welcome to your brave new world.
Bipartisan bill would create anti-Semitism monitors at colleges.
And my response was just what the ever-living is this?
For real?
A pro-Israel House Democrat and Republican plan to introduce legislation creating federally sanctioned anti-Semitism monitors for select college campuses.
It's the first bill introduced in Congress as a direct response to the pro-Palestinian protests.
All right, that's it.
I'm done.
You know, I just, we had mass rioting, we had firebombing of buildings, and now, like, the snap to attention you get over what's happening right now, I'm just gonna tell you guys, the deep state's screwed up, the system is falling apart, okay, the military industrial complex is on its last legs, this is so
Over the top.
Insane.
You've got violations of the Civil Rights Act when it comes to gender identity stuff, women's rights, bathrooms, and then you've got the racist stuff.
You've got schools in California creating white racial affinity groups for students.
You have far leftists killing people, firebombing buildings.
Trump didn't do nothing.
Democrats didn't do nothing.
And then you get Occupy 2.0, Israel boogaloo, and they're trying to put anti-Semitism monitors in colleges?
phil labonte
I think it's an op.
The left, and now they're going to go after free speech because then they can go ahead and say, oh look, we're trying to save, we're trying to prevent anti-Semitism.
We're going to go after free speech.
They're after free speech anyways.
They're going to use this as a...
auron macintyre
The left doesn't have to go after it.
The right is going after it.
They're doing it for it.
The same people who have been crying about safe spaces and we're the champion of free speech for the last ten years on college campuses, now they're ready to send in the National Guard.
They watched the cities burn down.
They watched the border get invaded.
You can't get anyone into any of these places.
There's been anti-white racism on all of these things for years.
unidentified
But now, all of a sudden... Guys, I figured it out.
tim pool
Here's what we gotta do.
We gotta go to Mexico.
No, I'm out.
No, hear me out.
You're gonna be totally bored.
Then, when the migrant caravans are coming, what we have to do is give them t-shirts that say Intifada, Intifada, and then when they come to the border, then they're gonna be like, no!
Those people cannot come in!
hannah claire brimelow
I'm back on board.
tim pool
Right, so how about we do this?
We can go to like Juarez or like Mexicali, Calexico.
Maybe we can go to...
Where was the, uh, Tijuana?
And we'll set up occupy camps there and make sure all of the migrants coming in know how bad Israel is and we'll make sure they know.
When you're coming in and the CBP agent is asking questions, just tell them you don't like Israel.
And then of course they'll all get turned around.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, this is how we're gonna secure the southern border.
You gotta make lemonade out of lemons, you know what I'm saying?
Like, look, let's put this to use.
tim pool
Let's be real though, I mean, the response from government has been so insane.
They've jumped the shark.
This is shark jumping territory.
Mike Johnson saying, we're gonna pull federal funding and send the National Guard if you don't stop speaking bad about Israel.
It's like, holy crap, are you guys kidding me?
You've lost all credibility.
I mean, we were looking at some of the Republicans being like, why can't they pull funding from these universities?
Why can't they do these things?
And the Republicans would be like, look, you know, we're trying.
We have a slim majority.
It's not easy.
And then this happens and we're like, oh, you were full of it the whole time.
phil labonte
I mean, it's all, it's all about donations and who's got money.
Like the, the whole reason that this is happening is because there's a lot of large donors for the, the, for like AIPAC and all the, it's all about, you know, who's throwing money at the, at the Republicans and stuff.
Because that's what makes DC run and stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what makes the world run.
tim pool
One second.
I'm getting a phone call real quick.
Just keep talking.
auron macintyre
Well, and that's the best part between... Oh, wait.
tim pool
There it was.
Sorry.
Israel is great.
They've done nothing wrong.
They can only do good, and the U.S.
should give them billions of dollars.
phil labonte
This is making the anti-Semites on Twitter insufferable.
Not like they weren't annoying as hell before, but now they're just like, See!
I told you!
The dancing Israelis!
And crazy people just screaming.
tim pool
This is what I'm saying, they're losing all credibility.
Like, yes, the TikTok ban is very obviously, this came about when this anti-Israel content popped up, donors freaked out because many of these donors are pro-Israel, or many of them who do military contracting have business interests, many people with religious interests, and people in the United States military who have Middle Eastern conquest interests, We're like, okay, now we're gonna crank it all the way up to 11.
And now, yes, as you mentioned, the actual anti-Semites on Twitter are vomiting all over themselves, screaming.
And I'm sitting here being like, well...
Congress, the president, everyone's lost all credibility on why they can't move on certain issues.
Because when the donors snap their fingers, they will literally shut down universities and mass arrest people for hate speech, if they deem it so.
I just want to stress this.
Anti-Semitism monitors?
They have policies barring white people and Asian people from going to these schools.
auron macintyre
I mean, it's very clear that the Republicans are just throwing this away on top of everything, because this is internecine warfare in the left.
The coalition is pilling itself apart.
You have the establishment that supports Israel.
You have the vanguard that is very anti-colonialism, has all this kind of Black Lives Matter, pro-Palestinian.
The mainstream wants to follow the vanguard, but they can't because of the way power is set up.
And so what you should be doing is just standing back and watching the left tear itself apart.
But of course, the Republicans want to swing in and save them from their own self-destruction.
unidentified
It's amazing.
phil labonte
Let them riot on the school campuses.
Let them burn the institutions to the ground just like they did the cities.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Let them do it.
tim pool
But it shows you what their real interests are.
The Republicans claimed they couldn't do anything about wokeness and DEI.
We have a slim majority.
Oh no.
We're trying.
What is it?
When this bill came up in the Senate with the Ukraine, Taiwan, Israel funding, and TikTok ban, Rand Paul didn't even vote on it.
What was up with that?
I mean, honest question.
Why didn't he vote?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
He didn't vote.
I don't know.
Maybe it's meaningless.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like he wouldn't vote either way because he doesn't want to anger anyone by voting against it, but he doesn't actually believe in it, so he doesn't want to vote yes, so you just vote present or whatever.
tim pool
I just feel like now the deep state is in absolute freefall.
You know, look, when you operate the facade, when you have the masquerade of what we can and can't do, why we can and can't do it, People will play along, right?
This, I'm going to say it again, a bipartisan bill to create anti-Semitism monitors at colleges is one of the most insane things I've ever heard.
Greg Abbott saying, hate speech will not be tolerated on campus is the most insane thing I've ever heard.
phil labonte
Hate speech is counter to everything that the right has been complaining about for the past decade going on at schools and stuff.
Speech codes have been the bane of the right's existence.
It's been getting the right kicked off.
I'm sorry for talking over it.
It blows my mind that this is not obvious.
auron macintyre
It's because no one actually believes in free speech.
That's the hard truth here that everyone's got to swallow.
Everyone is using it for political advantage.
When you're out of power, you call for free speech.
When you're in power, you pull the ladder up behind you.
That's what the left did.
That's what the right's doing.
It's a universal thing.
tim pool
To be fair, the Democrats and Republicans are united on do not criticize Israel.
Absolutely.
And the crazy thing is, the conversations we've been having over the past couple of weeks are not even about Israel, or Israel's actions, or Palestine, or what is or is not justified in military and war and conflict.
It's about the reaction of U.S.
media corporations, schools, and governance going absolutely insane.
Look, I'll put it this way.
If you want to make people believe that you care about free speech, if you want people to believe you are allowed to criticize the military actions of Israel and all that stuff, this is the opposite of what you do.
Coming out with, like, we're going to send in the National Guard, we're going to pull funding, we're going to arrest all of you, and then we're going to put monitors in your schools.
The Republicans on this one, Mike Johnson included, are basically saying, we've been on board with communism the whole time, and of course you can't criticize Israel.
So they've lost all credibility.
Now it's like, it's patently clear.
It's like, oh wow, it really is just about Israel.
If you came out, if they came out and said something like, look...
Free speech is totally allowed.
Actually, Florida did something like this.
They said, you're allowed to speak, you're allowed to protest, you're allowed to gather, no tents, no seizing of public property, all these things.
And I'm like, right, okay, that I agree with.
If they came out and said, we have no problem with people criticizing Israel, the problem we have is there's a guy over there saying he's Hamas.
The problem is people are donating, saying they're giving money to Hamas.
That is why we are gonna take action against this.
Instead, they're like, they're anti-Semitic.
So we're gonna shut the whole thing down.
It's like, okay, well, hold on there, man.
You're either not articulating this properly, or you never actually cared about the speech in the first place, you're just mad they're criticizing your foreign policy.
hannah claire brimelow
And I tend to think it's the latter, right?
Like, it is ultimately about their political interests, it's not about upholding the values of the country, or about upholding the tenets of free speech, in my opinion.
auron macintyre
It would also be really nice if we didn't have to deal with this, right?
Like, this is not our problem.
It's our immigration policies and our obsession with involving ourselves in every foreign conflict, and the reliance on the, you know, defense industry, is the reason that this is happening.
It would be really great if America could focus on its own problems and its own issues, and we didn't have to import every blood feud from across the world, but it looks like we have to because that's the way we've structured our policies.
tim pool
Well, not even.
You know, I tweeted this, I care as much about Palestine as I do about Burma.
Yeah.
I just, the obsession with it is what blows my mind.
And that's the crazy thing because saying something like that, I'm called a Zionist.
hannah claire brimelow
I just wish all of the young people rallying were actually rallying for, I don't know, a border wall or, you know, the end of the issuing of student, federally backed student loans, right?
Like things that really affect their future and their lives and their nation's economy.
But instead, For whatever reason, probably because they all know the buzzword surrounding it, you're totally right, being taught colonists bad has made it so a generation of young students are like, oh, I know where I'm supposed to line up on this issue.
So rather than using critical thinking, they're just like, well, this is what everyone's talking about, so I'm going to do it.
It bothers me so much that they don't care about the domestic policy, but they are willing to do crazy things for an international war that affects very few of them, ultimately.
tim pool
I'm of two minds on this.
The first is, Certainly the deep state, the intelligence agencies, can't be so inept that they would enact plans such as these which result in people shifting away from supporting Israel and genuinely believing that free speech is not being tolerated and they're violating people's rights.
They can't be that stupid, can they?
Unless they're actually really, really smart in the deep state and they hate Israel themselves.
auron macintyre
It's the wokeness getting away.
It's the vanguard pulling the mainstream away from its controlled ideology.
I think that the Kool-Aid that they've been selling, they've been drinking for too long, their activists are now deeply involved in it, and they're demanding that the more controlled mainstream go along with them.
And to be fair, I think the mainstream would rather if they could, but they can't.
tim pool
But do you mean, like, intelligence agents?
Like, are there woke intelligence agents, they hate Donald Trump, they're super woke, and they hate Israel too, And things like this are meant to further subvert support for Israel.
auron macintyre
I think the ideology is leading them.
I think the political formula involved in creating wokeness draws them that direction.
Even if they don't personally buy into it 100%, they want to move that way because that's where the political energy is.
That's where the spirit is.
That's where the young people are.
tim pool
Like the intelligence agents?
auron macintyre
I think some of the intelligence agents would be.
Not all of them.
I don't think the entirety of the CIA is probably bought into lock, stock, and barrel.
tim pool
I put it like this, we know what false flags are, and we know why they are effective.
Because you make a villain that you can fight against.
Ian brought up this AI-translated Hitler speech.
Joe Rogan had been talking about it.
And so he played some of it, and the fascinating thing was how, what's the right word, dejected his speaking actually was.
Complaining about European authority, but then all of a sudden just saying, and the Jews!
phil labonte
It's very whiny.
tim pool
It sounded to me like what he was doing was, we have a general grievance on economics due to World War I and these treaties.
But I can't rally anybody right now.
We need a scapegoat.
So we're gonna blame this group of people because it's easy and they can't fight back.
And then once everyone's rallied together, then I can start invading other countries for other reasons.
And so, going back to my point about like false flags, we know why it works.
You create an enemy, you can rally everybody to go fight that enemy.
This is like the inversion of that.
And I'm like, is the deep state really that stupid now?
Where they're like, hey, I got an idea.
Let's propose the stupidest things in the world that make people believe that Like, there is no free speech, you're not allowed to criticize our foreign policy, and we are the bad guys, actually, and the U.S.
is bad.
This kind of thing right there is going to actually bring, like, anti-Semitic Identitarian types aligning and protesting with Communists.
Which, like, I guess has happened in some capacity, but now These protests are going to attract literally anything.
You're going to see there's going to be genuine anti-semitic individuals and they're not going to say anything about anti-semitism.
They're going to be like, wow, okay, I'm not going to tell them what I really think, but I'll go down there and support them because I hate Israel too, for different reasons.
And you're going to create a united front of weird political backgrounds, all just hating Israel by doing things like this.
phil labonte
The only fault that I see in your theory is that the right that hates Israel and Jews, they cannot stop talking about it.
There is no subversion at all.
They're going to tell you.
They're going to tell you over and over and over.
They're going to tell you at length and they're going to tell you to watch this video and they're going to keep telling you.
tim pool
And then you get those people uniting with like Farrakhan and the Women's March organizers who all believe these things and then all this does is actually Damage support for Israel, so I'm like
Then are they doing it on purpose?
Like, is the Deep State being like, guys, guys, we're totally done with this operation and now we need to generate public support against Israel?
auron macintyre
There's a lot of rumors that they hate Netanyahu, right?
And the purpose is to leverage him out.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, Nancy Pelosi just called for this, right?
auron macintyre
Right.
And so I think that that is a consensus among many people is that that's the actual purpose.
phil labonte
But that's just that's something that is a U.S.
policy, like, that they're interested in.
It's not like Whatever the name, I forget the guy that would replace Netanyahu, the opposition leader.
Anyways, it's not like he has a significant different policy, if I understand correctly.
Most of Israel kind of has, they're kind of all on the same page.
They're like, yo, this is a uniting issue.
Yeah, we're gonna stomp the shit out of Gaza is basically what their policy is all over Israel.
And I understand why they would feel like that.
That's what the U.S.
was like after 9-11, you know?
So I get it, but I don't think that this does anything for the actual situation.
It's only about what the U.S.
would like to see come out of it and what the U.S.
wants, as in getting rid of Netanyahu.
It's not like getting rid of Netanyahu would change the policy for Gaza, you know?
It's not like, when people are protesting Israel, if they think, oh, we're going to get rid of Netanyahu and there's going to be a change.
There's not going to be a change, is the point that I'm making.
There will be no change.
The policy is going to be the policy.
And kids in the U.S.
protesting, they can burn every single university down in America, and Israel's going to say, we don't care what you guys say.
We're still going to do what we're going to do in Gaza.
Because that's just, that's geopolitical government stuff.
tim pool
I don't understand.
Look, my only real conclusion, if I was to look at everything holistically, is there is no plan.
The deep state has fallen.
That's it.
There's no plan.
There's no beneficial outcome for foreign policy in these protests.
Storming the universities and purging these protests doesn't benefit anybody.
It makes it worse.
The protests themselves don't actually accomplish anything.
They don't do literally anything.
So it seems like this conflict that we're seeing right now is a chicken with its head cut off.
auron macintyre
I think that it's a decentralized network that really drives what you're calling the deep state and what I would wider call the total state because it goes well outside just the government apparatus.
I don't think there is one central source of decision making and so I think what you're seeing is internecine warfare.
You're seeing the different Uh, the different organizations and different factions bumping up against each other.
And that's why it feels like there is no plan because there's a general direction that they move.
There's a general direction that the narrative and that power and their shared moral identity moves them in towards.
But I don't think it actually is like one unified plan and they're laying it all down.
Like first we do the protests and then we take on Netanyahu.
And then I don't think that's the case.
hannah claire brimelow
So how does this resolve itself?
If it's sort of inter-fighting, does someone rise to the top?
Who has the advantage in this?
auron macintyre
I think that what you're going to see happen is that the mainstream is going to go ahead and assert its control over the woke, but the woke are going to get a larger percentage of the pie.
They're going to have more power inside.
And this is what we usually see with the new left.
They usually come in and secure larger and larger wedges.
That's why the ideology has spread in these different institutions like corporations and things.
And so the people who were on the outside and were crazy and were usually gatekept outside have now been let more and more into the educational institutions, into the boardrooms, this kind of thing.
And I think what you're seeing is an incremental march of the vanguard taking over the mainstream.
tim pool
Go ahead.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I was just saying, is there a version of this that happens on the right, or is it just everyone is doing it at the same time?
auron macintyre
No, you're always moving leftward.
The way that we're set up right now, the right has no real institutional power, which is why even when it wins elections, Donald Trump has no real power to change anything inside the government.
He's technically president, but it's very clear that he doesn't even have the level of power that somebody like Barack Obama did, even though they're technically both working under the same article of the Constitution and maintaining power in the same office.
phil labonte
And that's essentially because the American people would let Barack Obama get away with things that they wouldn't let, you know, President Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
And he's got pillars of support like the mainstream media.
auron macintyre
All the institutional power is lined up for Barack Obama.
It's not that Barack Obama has more power, it's that he's aligned with power.
hannah claire brimelow
He doesn't have to make everyone that's supposed to be working for him work with him.
unidentified
Correct.
phil labonte
Yeah, he didn't have to convince people why it was acceptable, or he didn't have to put significant effort into convincing the American public or the media in general, the people that would drive a story, why it was okay for him to shoot a missile at Anwar al-Awlaki without...
Without a trial or anything, right?
He's a terrorist.
The president says he's a terrorist.
That's the narrative we're going with.
It's acceptable.
Automatically, there wasn't any kind of blah, blah, blah, you know?
And that is actually what's important.
Because as much as I'm very pro-Constitution and very pro-Bill of Rights and stuff, at the end of the day, all of that stuff doesn't matter if the people don't stand up and say, hey, government, you're breaking the law when the government violates the law.
The courts will go ahead and say, well, this is one thing, and then people will go ahead and try to behave that way.
But then if local enforcement comes in and says, we don't care, you know, what was it?
Not Andrew Jackson.
Wasn't Andrew Jackson that said the chief justice has made his decision?
auron macintyre
Yeah, now let him enforce it.
phil labonte
Now let him enforce it.
Yeah.
So Andrew Jackson proved that a long time ago.
auron macintyre
I mean, Trump's generals literally bragged about committing treason, and nobody cares.
Just don't care.
tim pool
It's not a big deal.
We'll get a little specific.
There's a guy, let me pull up his name, actually.
I don't have the story pulled up on the computer.
His name is Kimani James.
Have you heard about this thing?
He's one of the protesters.
He apparently was shaking hands with Ilhan Omar.
He said that he wants to end the lives of Zionists.
phil labonte
Oh, yes.
You have the video?
tim pool
Was it?
There's like a video of him saying it, and he's like, there's no remorse, and now he's getting heavily criticized and was like, I should not have said that, I didn't mean it, or whatever.
But I think the issue is, many of these organizers at these protests...
Yeah, they actually are saying this.
There's one viral video where a man on the street interview, a guy says, he's talking about raising funds for the victims, and then she says that she's trying to raise money for Hamas.
And like, that's a very serious crime to announce that you're doing that.
And then she quickly is like, I'm at Palestine, I mean.
And it's like, okay, well, like, what does that mean?
You know what I mean?
So the question then becomes, There are a lot of people who are critical of Israel who are defending the protest as, no, no, no, you can't blame the protest for what some people are saying, but then it's the organizers who are saying it.
So what is it?
Is it organizers who are, like, really anti-Semitic?
And some of them, like, violently and deathly so, and then regular people just marching behind and not realizing it.
And then, this is what I was saying about, like, the anti-Semitism monitors and all that stuff, is you're going to get people who are anti-Israel standing side by side with people who are organizing protests and saying horrible things like that dude Kimani James said, and they're gonna be like, well, as long as it's all anti-Israel, they don't care.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, that is true to some degree.
As long as it's anti-Israel, they're going to, they're going to accept it.
But it's, it's, I think that it's as long as it's, you know, a part of the leftist narrative, they can, they can do it.
I mean, this is very, very, uh, you're seeing the, um, Uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
It was Mark Hughes wrote the paper, the repressive tolerance.
There you go.
That's the exact same.
That's what's going on.
It's like you can, you, you can do whatever you want according to the left.
Just so long as it falls in line with what the left narrative is and where their goals align.
auron macintyre
Well, a lot of these guys are used to being able to say whatever they want.
They're used to having power on their side, and so they can always say insane things about, you know, what you should be able to do to white people and that kind of thing.
So they didn't see there would be a problem until they ran into the Israel issue.
tim pool
Let me pull this story up from the New York Times.
Columbia Bar's student protester said Zionists don't deserve to live.
After a video surfaced on social media, the student, Kimani James, said on Friday his comments were wrong.
Is it just that he got banned from school?
They were like, OK, you are officially banned.
You can never be here again.
And he's like, oh, you didn't mean it like these woke leftists.
Maybe this is the PSYOP, right?
Maybe the PSYOP is let them say all of these horrible things until they cross the line and then get permanently banned.
And now they're suffering consequences and backtracking.
Or is it just that this is the line of where they say, you can say all those other awful things, you can push all those other awful communist ideologies, but don't you dare say bad things about Zionism.
auron macintyre
I mean, I think that really is the case.
Like, they targeted a group they're not allowed to target.
They've been getting away from this for a very long time.
I think it's pretty obvious.
It's hard to look at the evidence and see anything else.
hannah claire brimelow
I just Googled this person's name and his college admissions essay was published by Medium and it's all about systemic racism and how he's affected by it.
I find it so tiresome that the left is shocked by the fact that they allowed their academic institutions to become intensely progressive and to back these ideas.
which they confirmed by accepting students who were like, this is my stance, and by not
supporting ex-Jay, and then they're like, wow, so crazy that these, these are happening.
The students are angry.
phil labonte
I don't believe, I don't believe any of the teachers don't know it.
tim pool
I don't even want to read this quote from this guy.
He said, he compared Zionists to white supremacists and Nazis.
These are all the same people.
The existence of them and the projects they have built, i.e.
Israel's antithetical to peace.
It's all antithetical to peace.
And so yes, I feel very comfortable, very comfortable.
And then he goes on to say he wants them dead.
This is what these universities are fomenting.
I'll put it this way.
I'm fairly pissed off.
Mike Johnson comes down to these universities and then says, we're going to pull your funding and call the National Guard.
I'm like, oh, you finally do it.
But I'm also willing to be like, screw it, pull their funding.
If this is the issue that finally gets their funding pulled, fine.
hannah claire brimelow
I'll take it.
this college essay he's writing about our education system is rooted in
systemic racism and it's always been a direct cause for poor funding and
political neglect of the black and brown communities. To combat this we must
identify the individual issues that exacerbate the inequalities and work to
tear them down one by one. Like this person has been on- That's just straight
unidentified
deconstruction too. This is crazy dude.
tim pool
He said be grateful that he, I'm not gonna read the quote, that he's not going out committing murders.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
tim pool
This is what these universities have built and accepted.
hannah claire brimelow
They push extremism.
tim pool
Pull their funding.
phil labonte
Pull their funding.
This is all anti-colonialism.
This is all like decolonization stuff.
It's Frantz Fanon in The Wretched of the Earth or whatever he wrote.
He's like decolonization is always violent.
It's fundamentally violent.
To say any of the leftist professors aren't familiar with these ideas is a flat-out lie.
Because they all, I'm sure, everybody in the humanities has read Frantz Fanon.
They know what decolonization is.
They know how the people that have come up with these theories, they know how they think.
They know what's in the text.
And it's not something that I'm reading into the text.
It's articulated in the text.
It is always violent.
tim pool
Let's get into the classical liberal conundrum that we face, because we were talking about this with, it may have been with Adam Johnson, lectern guy, about the limits of liberalism.
We all say we want free speech, and that means supporting the speech of people you don't like.
And I'm like, man, if we've got these protests, and they're literally calling for Murder.
Literally.
There's a challenge.
The left claims that people on the right are.
They're not.
Like, I go to a Trump rally and nobody is.
They'll lie and say they are because they want to weaponize that to start banning people.
At what point does classical liberalism reach its limit, or liberalism in general, when you have these protests And the problem is the people seeking to gain power are quite literally saying they want to go murder a bunch of people.
Again, I will stress this.
The left made this argument about Trump supporters because Trump supporters wanted a secure border.
That was clearly a manipulation and a lie.
Now you have a guy who's one of the active organizers shaking hands with Ilhan Omar.
He looks like one of the guys from the videos who was trying to remove people from the camp.
And he's saying, be grateful he's not going out and just committing these acts.
At what point do we actually say, okay, this protest is actually crossing the line and needs to be shut down?
Where's the line?
How do we call that?
auron macintyre
James Burnham said that liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide because it eliminates the ability of a culture to defend itself, to prefer itself to others, and to say that there are lines that simply cannot be crossed.
There's no way in which you can allow people to say certain things that will absolutely destroy your culture.
And I think the fact that this line is being drawn here is a problem.
It should have been drawn much earlier.
Again, these same activists have been talking about colonization and the destruction of the West and the
importance of banning white people, people of European descent from their campuses for a very
long time. This line should have been crossed a very long time ago. So I'm not a fan of the line
suddenly appearing. But to be fair, as long as you're gonna put tanks in Harvard yard, that's
fine.
tim pool
But what you're saying, we should shut these protests down.
auron macintyre
I'm saying that the that obviously any violence in these protests was always unacceptable.
So what he's saying here should be unacceptable, but the problem is the left doesn't have any way to understand when that actually gets tripped over because their entire ideology is that violent revolution is part of the solution, right?
tim pool
So here's what I don't like.
I don't like that we have had this same ideology.
There have been, since Occupy Wall Street, people at these universities Liberals get the bullet too, it was written on a wall.
This is not the first time they've done this.
It is annoying to me that, oh, now it's Israel and also taking action.
I'm also not going to be so blind as to the end results and goals to say, we think these universities fomenting communism is bad.
If Mike Johnson is now saying this is the reason that we pull their funding, I'm like, well, we've wanted their funding pulled for a long time, so I will accept that this is your reason, finally reaching that point, because it's good.
But my thought and where I'm hitting this wall is like, you know, Greg Abbott said, it's anti-Semitic, and we all mock him for it, being like, dude, you can't shut people down for hate speech.
But then you see the degree to which these people are actively trying to, or encouraging violence.
And then I'm kind of just like, Do we eventually get forced into that point where, to that point that the left has actually bragged about?
The Karl Popper meme.
That they have become so violent and intolerant, they've firebombed buildings, they took over street corners, that eventually we just say, okay, liberalism is for the liberal and you aren't liberal, so now we're gonna bring in the National Guard and the police to secure the campus.
phil labonte
So I am sympathetic to the idea that liberalism is an internally working system, right?
Like it only works for liberals.
So if you're an illiberal person and you are saying, look, we are going to use the state to clamp down on you for whatever it is, like if that's their goal, or if they're going to be subversive, right?
Liberals One of the features of liberalism is you take the person that you're interacting with, you take them at their word.
The point is, I'm going to assume that you're telling the truth, right?
So the liberal starts at a deficit, starts in a vulnerable position, because you're assuming good intentions of the person that you're dealing with.
If you're not a liberal, Right?
If you don't have that worldview, if you're a postmodernist or you have any type of authoritarian opinion or philosophy or whatever, then you know dealing with liberals, all you have to do is just lie to them.
And it's as simple as that.
tim pool
Here's the issue I take.
The left made these arguments about white supremacy and all that stuff, and they were like, you know, if you believe in scheduling and meritocracy, you're a white supremacist.
And these people, that's insane, right?
They say you're racist if you don't believe in our communist ideas and stuff like this.
The issue I take is that same ideology falls onto the word Zionism.
And we've talked about this.
I've been called a Zionist simply for saying that Israel is a country.
There are many people who believe it's not.
They believe it's a colonial move and that it's actually Palestine with a fake name slapped on it.
And wasn't it like China or something that removed Israel?
What country removed Israel from the map or something like that?
That was a while ago.
And so now, when this guy says that he doesn't think Zionists should live, and he's a leftist, and we know leftists play word games, and we know leftists think that the word racist means anyone who disagrees with me, my concern is, are these people getting to the point where what they're really saying is, if you, whether you support Israel or not, Whether you think they should be funded, because I'm of the America First opinion.
I don't know why we're funding all this stuff.
I don't see good reason to do it.
We should be securing our border and fixing jobs and all that.
But simply by acknowledging its existence, people call me a Zionist.
Do I fall into his camp?
I would say 100% yes.
phil labonte
It was the same thing when they were talking about Ben Shapiro's a Nazi and punching Nazis is acceptable.
Accuracy is not the point when it comes to the left's use of language.
They're not using language to articulate accurately the reality that we all exist in because they don't believe that we all share a reality.
They believe that everybody's reality is subjective.
So words, because they don't represent actual reality, words are used to impart emotion and to get effect.
And so if they can say, oh, you're a Nazi, then that justifies violence.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, you can see that in the statement that the student put out.
He says, you know, far-right agitators went through my months of social media history.
phil labonte
Yeah, far-right agitators, which is anyone to my right.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, mentions I'm visibly queer and black and that's why they're targeting me, like, and then goes on to say, you know, I misspoke and I'm sad that this is distracting from what's going on in Gaza.
I mean, like, there are Clear buzzwords are meant to be like, well, now you have to realign to my position so I can distance myself from that and talk to you about why I am the victim in this scenario.
auron macintyre
Mass communication and persuasion are never about accuracy.
They're always about emotion.
They're always about creating a friend and enemy distinction and thinking that being the best arguer, the best debater is what actually wins you public opinion is a failure to understand the dynamic and No, the Ben Shapiro dunking things of ten years ago, the reason why they were good is because people laughed.
phil labonte
It was the emotional reaction that people liked about them.
It wasn't that the arguments were particular.
Well, maybe the arguments were good, but that wasn't the point of them.
The point was to get the emotional, to get the chocolate.
tim pool
So, real quick, someone superchatted saying, this is the guy who yelled, I'm bored, and pushed the people out of the campus.
The reason, allegedly, was that one of the guys, it was a guy wearing a Star of David, and so he saw it and said, you're a Zionist, and started yelling at him, and then called for help to get rid of the Zionists.
I don't know if there's anything else beyond that, but I really do feel like those of us, we already mentioned this, but liberalism is for liberals, and my attitude on free speech shifted quite a bit, because I used to be, I think it's rather naive too, You know, I believe in free speech, even if someone is saying bad things.
And then what do we learn?
When it came to issues of leftists being censored, everyone on the right and all the free speech people would be like, no, you can't do that, come on, we're for free speech.
And they would go, thank you guys so much.
And then they would start flagging you and trying to get you banned.
And I'd be like, wait, wait, I just helped you.
And you immediately turned on me.
And for me, there was a formative moment where I met an activist that I had known for a long time, Occupy Wall Street.
And he was a free speech guy, an internet guy.
And then I was talking to him, and he's a hardcore leftist right now, Kami, and he was like, he was like, I love the censorship.
I'm glad it's happening.
This is a great move in the right direction.
And I was like, what are you talking about?
I was like, you're the guy who was leading the charge on free speech.
And he laughed and he's like, he's like, yeah, for me.
And then I was like, so those of us who actually believed in the idea of people spreading, being free speech, you never agree with us.
And he chuckled and he was just like, you guys are useful idiots.
We were demanding the right to say the things we wanted to say, and you marched alongside us, and now that we have that power, we will shut you up.
And I was just like, wow!
He said to my face, a guy I've known for a long time, he was like, don't you understand what we're trying to do?
And so now...
My idea then became, okay, if you don't agree with free speech, I don't give it to you.
If someone comes to me and says, I believe in free speech for everybody, even if I don't agree with them, I'll say, okay, then when you get censored, I will stand with you if you stand with me.
The leftists say, we don't believe in free speech.
I say, okay, then I won't defend you.
You get what you ask for.
Now we have these people who want violence and don't want people on the right to be able to protest.
They want the universities to fund their psychotic ideologies.
And I'm like, should we bestow upon them the rules they have asked for, which would be if a bunch of
Trump supporters show up on campus to protest, they would demand these people are cracked over
the truncheon. Should we then be like, okay, well, then Greg Abbott should arrest and remove the
protesters trying to take over campus.
And these people at Columbia should be removed because it's what they literally ask for in
phil labonte
governance. This is why the mean communists always lie is a meme, because they use words
not to represent reality, but to move an argument.
And that means they just have to convince people.
Like when people made jokes about Jordan Peterson talking about postmodern Marxists and stuff out there, not that they don't work together and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But the postmodernist part is they're only going to use, they're only going to, they're going to select arguments not based on their, their representation of reality, but based on their effectiveness.
And if they can make an argument, that persuades people, it doesn't matter if it's true or if
anyone believes it's true, it persuades people. They'll throw that argument away and
make the opposing argument later.
And you see this over and over and over when you end up listening to a lot of these leftist talks.
This is par for the course for the philosophy that they have. And I mean, I kind of make the
argument all the time that what we're dealing with is people that are struggling with philosophy
because the old philosophies that we kind of had have come under significant stress and
they're being tested or if they're fit for the 21st century.
tim pool
The question is, Should we, the communists who want the power of government, who cheer, the Black Lives Matter protesters say defund the police, but then the police show up to a guy's house in Milwaukee and arrest him and they cheer and celebrate for it.
They clearly don't actually, they don't want to defund the police, they want the police to do what they want them to do.
So then is the only thing we can do is to actually be like, don't allow leftists to protest?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, you can allow them to protest, just don't allow them, I suppose you just have to say, look, we can't allow anyone to violate the law.
tim pool
The point I'm making is, if this guy and his friends come out and say, Trump supporters should be allowed to hold rallies.
The police should stop it because they're violent white supremacists.
I say, oh, you think violent supremacists should not be allowed to hold rallies?
OK, cops, kick them out.
That's the government.
They literally asked for it.
They said, this is this is how we want to be.
Golden rule.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
If you say the right can't rally or protest and This is where I'm at.
Look, Antifa shows up to Gavin McInnes' speech.
They attack, they threaten people, they throw things at people.
It's the Proud Boys who go to jail for it.
Trump supporters had, it wasn't even Trump supporters, it was anti-censorship activists in D.C.
held a rally.
Antifa shows up and starts fighting them.
A handful of guys show up in front of a hospital protesting mask mandates.
Antifa shows up and starts beating the crap out of them.
In the UK, you can't even pray silently outside of— Right, so my attitude becomes, why would they be mad if they get the government they asked for?
auron macintyre
Look, liberalism cannot solve this problem, and the reason it can't solve it is very simple.
It's designed only to resolve problems with people who share very similar worldviews.
It cannot resolve problems with people who have radically different worldviews.
You cannot reach a consensus through logic or discussion unless you share a similar version of reality, a similar version of what the world should look like.
When it's radically separated, it does not work.
tim pool
So what, what is... Real quick, the fear is, if we say, fine, Greg Abbott, send in the troops.
We agree.
Don't let them protest.
Then we effectively sign off on the government doing it to us when we do protest.
And that's the fear that liberals have.
phil labonte
The government's going to do it to us either way, is the point.
tim pool
So then is the attitude like, well, we're in it.
Let her rip.
NYPD, go in and get the protesters out.
auron macintyre
I don't think, again, because of this specific issue and because of where they've drawn the line here, I have a general problem with the way that this is finally being reacted to.
But the wider question of how this gets resolved is that you are never going to have a situation where you can just be like, oh, well, we can't do that because the other side will do it to us.
They're already doing that.
They're already doing all the things that you're scared of.
tim pool
That's my point of like Antifa showing up and beating people.
It's like for a decade now.
I have been watching these protests within, I should say, for a decade with eight years active involvement, going down to like Berkeley.
I went to Berkeley before they were going to do some rally.
It's like two days before.
And in the spark they have set up ledges you can skateboard on.
And I'm hanging out there and these guys threatened me simply because they had heard of who I was and I wasn't on their side.
Regular, just like, it's an empty park, there's no rally.
And they're threatening me, and then one guy, an older guy, intervenes and is like, leave him alone, I don't care.
Like, guys, don't bring this here, we're trying to skate.
And I'm like, that's crazy.
The next day, far leftists show up, and literally threw explosives at old people.
In one of my videos on my, which is now the Culture War channel, youtube.com slash timcast, I had a video where it's like some 60-year-old woman waving a little flag.
They were throwing M80s.
They were making makeshift explosives.
And so I'm like, the worst thing that's happening to them is the police are saying, you can't sleep here.
It's time to go home.
And still we keep finding ourselves in this position where we're like, let's defend the left and allow them to protest.
I'm kind of at the point where I'm just like, you're right.
They've been doing it to us for a decade.
It's already happening.
I'm not going to shed a tear over the cops going in and telling them you can't sleep in the park anymore.
phil labonte
I mean, you go.
unidentified
No, you go.
phil labonte
So you brought your book, Total State.
What is it that you think is the solution?
Because I know we were talking a little bit beforehand about local stuff and things you can do for your community and stuff.
Those things are not applicable to the federal government.
Regardless of those things, you're still going to have attempts at consolidation of federal power by the left.
So what would you consider would be the solution or the proper course of action now?
auron macintyre
Obviously we're skipping to the end of a very long argument.
phil labonte
Sure, sure, sure.
auron macintyre
But yeah, just, I don't think this problem is resolvable at the federal level.
I don't think that we have the level of national unity or shared values or understanding or vision in order to actually affect a national solution.
phil labonte
Are you a national divorce guy?
auron macintyre
I think that we're already seeing a natural separation.
I think that places like Florida are already creating a scenario where they are defying the government.
Ron DeSantis just said, we're not going to enforce any of Joe Biden's new trans Title IX stuff.
That's going to get more and more of a thing.
Greg Abbott fighting back a little bit against the border stuff.
You're going to see more and more of this.
And as the states that are more competent, Tell the government no more and more often, more people are going to want to move there.
And then you have a problem where like, okay, now the federal government has a put up or shut up moment, right?
Where like, your sovereignty gets checked.
Are you really going to force these competent governors who are making their lives better in their places to go ahead and bend to your will so that their lives become worse?
Are you really going to send the National Guard?
Are you going to send the army?
I doubt that they would.
phil labonte
Okay, so hypothetical though, right?
You're saying that because essentially we're going right up to the line of national divorce, right?
I imagine that should the United States get to the point where that was a serious consideration, and that was something that like everybody was talking about, and it was something that the international community started taking seriously, I think the international community moves.
What do you think about that?
And what do you think about What do you think that would do?
What do you think China would do?
Because it's also my inclination or my gut instinct or feeling is that China doesn't just stay on their side of the planet.
I don't think that they are looking to have the same kind of hegemony that the United States and the West has, but I do think that their goals might change if the United States were to become multiple states.
auron macintyre
To be clear, I don't think there's going to be any kind of formal secession.
I think that that question was answered however you feel about that in the 1860s.
And so I think what is far more likely to happen is what happens to a lot of empires, where the territories simply become more autonomous until the central government just kind of loses its sphere of control.
And you're right that that would shift things.
I think we're already moving to a multipolar world.
I think that many world powers already see that the United States is losing its ability to project power long term, and they're already thinking about what the world looks like after that.
I think that in the battle between Francis Fukuyama's end-of-history model and more of the clash of civilizations model, the clash of civilizations model is correct, and you're more likely to see places like Russia and China assert a regional control rather than suddenly try to take over the world in the way that many neocons pretend.
What's your fear going forward?
hannah claire brimelow
Like if we're about to head into an election year, what do you think is the worst thing that could happen to us right now?
auron macintyre
I think that what's going to be really interesting is if Trump has an overwhelming lead to the point where the total state cannot fix it this time, they can't put their thumb on the scale enough credibly to push the election one way or another, and then Trump gets elected and the left completely chimps.
They completely buy into their own Kool-Aid and they go nuts because they really have This is why I was saying I feel like the deep state just totally lost control.
Right?
widespread violence on an even larger than BLM scale with organized violent protests across the country.
tim pool
This is why I was saying I feel like the deep state just totally lost control.
Right? Unless their goal, unless the goal is the destruction of the United States.
auron macintyre
I think that they care more about their power than they care about the United States. So I don't
think the goal is the destruction of the United States.
I just don't think they can imagine the United States as an entity that they could actually take care of.
phil labonte
The left's goal overall is the destruction of the United States, I think.
Just because they want to see, like, they would like to see communism, you know?
auron macintyre
I wouldn't put it that way, because I think that's projecting a maniacal nature onto your enemy that's incorrect.
They want the revolution to happen.
Yeah, they think it's the salvation of the United States.
Because the United States is, at its core, really an evil and racist thing.
And its deconstruction is the real value.
So I don't think it's so much that they want the destruction of the United States, they want to remake it.
You have to understand, the left is a coalition of people who hate the chutz.
Their entire coalition is motivated by the idea that they hate white middle America and they have the authority to rule over them.
They want to punish these people.
That's what holds the coalition together.
And as long as they can keep people focused on hating that group, that's what allows them to stay in power.
hannah claire brimelow
It's vengeance as a motivator.
auron macintyre
Absolutely.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, that was like a quiet, unspoken thing, I think, for a long time, but now it's become, with the ascension of... I don't think it's unspoken anymore.
No, no, that's a good point.
auron macintyre
They're writing books about it.
phil labonte
Yeah, now you have books like White Fragility and stuff like that, with the whole intersectional stuff taking precedence in the humanities and essentially the overall left.
I think that it's fairly open now, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
So what stems the tide of increasing tension and potential violence?
Is there anything anyone could do to change it or is it an inevitable path that we're walking on?
auron macintyre
I think the good news is that the left is falling apart in the sense that they just have really reduced human capital.
They're just getting really bad at this, as Tim keeps pointing out.
And so like their ability to maintain the state as they have it now is collapsing.
And so I think eventually that just wears down to the point where more competent people and more stable social structures arise.
But I don't think there's any short term where this gets really good.
tim pool
What does it look like under Under Donald Trump's administration.
I mean, Biden seems to be in disarray.
But Trump says, I'm very pro-Israel, the most pro-Israel president.
And reportedly, Trump worked with the Republican leadership on the Ukraine-Taiwan-Israel funding.
auron macintyre
Yeah, I don't think there's a significant change.
Though, to be fair, the real question is, does Donald Trump even hold power when he moves back in?
Like we said, he was barely president during his time last time.
The whole idea of the 2025 initiative is to actually replace large amounts of the deep state.
Who's running the show there now?
Do you know?
move large chunks of the managerial bureaucracy so that he actually can wield power as the
president.
If he could do that effectively, then we might see a real policy change.
But I don't think Donald Trump is a really ideological animal.
I think he's pretty much instinctual.
And so he'll go where his advisors and he thinks the crowd is moving.
phil labonte
Who's running his, who's running the show there now?
Do you know?
Does anyone know?
Yeah.
Who's running his campaign?
tim pool
Well, someone super chatted this.
They said, uh, Michael Maus ran a poll.
Which political party you think will swap out their candidate?
And he said he thought the GOP.
That the GOP is going to say Trump's not the guy.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the base would hate that.
auron macintyre
They already had that option.
unidentified
and they didn't take it. I mean, I'm not saying he's right.
tim pool
I'm just saying it doesn't seem like there is something like who is running
the Trump campaign.
phil labonte
I have no idea. Is it Cash? Cash Patel?
tim pool
I don't know. I can just tell you that I personally felt like Trump's major move was to go to SCOTUS
during the oral arguments and to make a statement to the press that the arguments made here today
will shape this country. And they even said it during the arguments will shape this country for
generations to come. And it matters more that I stand up for America than worry about whether
a judge wants to hold me in contempt.
If he does, so be it, but I will always be there for America, even if it means risking my personal safety.
That was the play.
He's just doing nothing.
He's like, I've been sitting here for eight days, I'm not campaigning.
Like, nothing's going on.
Who's his VP?
Where are we at?
Like, what's the plan?
hannah claire brimelow
With Trump?
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it's interesting because we aren't still in the primaries anymore, because that's just sort of over.
You wouldn't normally get a VP announcement for another month or so.
I mean, early would be, like, I think May.
And so he's not off on any timeline, but because we know what the matchup is, things feel strange, right?
unidentified
Yeah, I think... Go ahead.
hannah claire brimelow
No, go ahead.
phil labonte
Well, I think part of the reason why he doesn't, I heard that he's scheduled a rally next week, and as soon as the schedule went, they're like, oh, well, you got to do something.
And so he can't, you know, they're actively preventing him from campaigning.
tim pool
I suppose.
He also mentioned he wants to do a Madison Square Garden rally, which would be great.
hannah claire brimelow
Amazing.
Amazing.
tim pool
You know, if he does that, I hope it's a weekend because I would absolutely make some phone calls and be like, I must attend Madison Square Garden.
phil labonte
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
Trump rally at Madison Square Garden during a rematch election.
You're like, incredible.
tim pool
Nothing like it.
I'd be a little bit worried about security in New York City for that reason, maybe in and out.
Yeah, that would be absolutely amazing, but the issue with them saying, like, oh, Trump, you're gonna do a rally now?
Uh, well, no, you gotta be in court.
This is the crazy thing.
More and more, this case goes on.
More and more that there's literally nothing there.
It was, you know, on Fox earlier, they said that when they announced this criminal, the underlying criminal case is essentially that it's a state law about interfering with an election by manipulating information to help someone get elected or whatever.
One of the commentators said, then the defense should have immediately said, motion to dismiss.
That law applies only to the state, not to federal elections.
This is federal jurisdiction.
They didn't even do that.
It's a misdemeanor crime, beyond its statute of limitations, that the witnesses already said Trump had no idea what was going on.
They upgraded to a felony, which doesn't exist in statutory law.
Now they're claiming a state-level crime.
The crazy thing with what's going on in New York is that it really does seem like a Jackson Pollock painting of criminal trials.
They're just every day like, no, it's actually this thing.
hannah claire brimelow
They're like, can we get you on this charge?
Can we arrest you for this?
I think you did that.
tim pool
Why is Trump being like, okay.
It does not impress me that Donald Trump is like, I've been here for eight days, why are they making me do this?
Because they're cracking the leash and you're saying, okay.
And then I've had people say, what's he supposed to do?
It's the law.
It's not the law.
There's no law here.
hannah claire brimelow
When I was between culture war this morning and the show, I went by the grocery store and I was checking out and the cash register next to me, the girl was checking out some guy and she's like, talk about whatever.
And she goes, You know, I know we did some stuff wrong, but my life was a lot better under Trump.
I mean, I think even by having to go to this ridiculous trial that people know that, like, it's obviously being—it's being used to keep him off the campaign trail so that a media talking head can say, and he's not even campaigning!
Like, I actually really think it makes him— Are they saying that?
Yeah, this is something that I hear all the time, especially on MSNBC.
They're like, well, Joe Biden was out on the campaign trail, and where was Trump in court?
And I think it does make him sympathetic to people on top of the fact that, like, economically, they were better off under Trump.
And so they start to be like, please just let him come back out.
Like, things were okay then?
tim pool
Did you see the rain hoax?
They said Donald Trump cancelled his rally due to rain, and then all these journalists started posting photos of Joe Biden in the rain, and like, here's Joe Biden giving a speech through a storm.
And the news headline was actually, sudden rain stops Joe Biden's speech, and he immediately shuts it down.
So what they did was like, Biden's speaking, it starts raining, and then he immediately runs off stage, but they show the pictures of him speaking as the rain was coming down, and they're like, look, he didn't shut down the way Trump did, but he did!
hannah claire brimelow
In fact, in some ways, if you're a person who's trying to go to a Trump rally, maybe it's nicer to not have to be dragged out in the rain just to have it cancelled immediately.
Joe Biden's like, come give me this photo op, supporters.
unidentified
This is what I need you for, the headlines.
tim pool
I'm not going to pretend like I know what the Trump campaign strategy is.
So from the outside, these are the things that I can say.
For all I know, behind the scenes, you've got cash and you've got We should get Stephen Chung, the communications director on the show.
hannah claire brimelow
That'd be so cool.
tim pool
And they're probably sitting there shaking their head being like, if only you knew our real plan.
Which I hope.
I certainly hope.
And I think the most important thing is I'm not actually sure in the long run that the criminal trial matters at all.
Elections are not about winning an argument.
It doesn't matter if Trump convinces anybody.
It doesn't matter if Trump plays the victim.
It doesn't matter if he's a figurative martyr in the criminal justice system because they're going after him.
All that matters is the Republicans figure out how to collect as many pieces of paper with names on them as possible.
In 2020, the Republicans won the argument.
And they keep winning the argument.
And Republicans are shocked as to why they're not controlling more government.
And it's because Democrats are like, dude, elections aren't about arguments.
Elections are about who has the most piece of papers with someone's name on it.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
That's all that matters.
So I hope the Republicans have that plan.
That whatever is actually going on, maybe the reason Trump is going on TV is, oh no, look, they've got me, is because Democrats are being misdirected with whatever this trial is, while the Republicans, I swear, I hope they're doing something.
phil labonte
Who replaced Rona McDaniel?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know who did.
tim pool
I'm just hoping that they're actually behind the scenes being like, let them be distracted with the criminal trial while we work the ballot harvesting angle.
auron macintyre
But I mean, the problem is that the Republicans are already just chasing that dragon, right?
The left set the agenda.
They remade the way that the elections run. And now at best, the GOP
could catch up if they're really ambitious.
That that's really the issue where they're at. So you have to be in a situation where Trump is
winning by an overwhelming majority if you're going to actually overcome the machine the
unidentified
Democrats have built. Yeah, they- It's Michael Waltley, just in case anyone wanted that name.
phil labonte
The Republicans just don't have, like, as much as like Karl Rove gets a lot of crap, like he had,
he was like a really good strategist. And like the Republicans were winning with Karl Rove
doing the strategy for a reason. And like Steve Bannon seemed like he had a pretty good-
You know, idea of what was going on.
I don't think that it was as in-depth of a political strategy as, like, Karl Rove.
hannah claire brimelow
It's interesting you mention Karl Rove because The Hill has an article up that he's saying a Biden-Trump debate would be the biggest or it would be the most important one since the 1980s.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it has to happen.
But he had a strategy that was, like, for the whole country and stuff like that.
And I think it was the 100-something strategy.
I forget what it's called.
A friend of mine brought it up to me.
But, like, the Republicans don't have Like, Ronna McDaniel was totally, you know, an absentee.
The fact that she managed to stay that long was just... And initially she had Trump support, right?
Which is like, God, they're so dumb.
They're so stupid.
auron macintyre
You almost start to suspect that Trump isn't a professional politician.
hannah claire brimelow
Something like that.
auron macintyre
Really never expected to win the presidency and had no plan.
I mean, it's really strange.
Of course Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing.
Of course he has no plan here, guys.
That's who Trump is.
That's why you bought into him in the first place.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think he benefited then from losing 2020?
He's had time to be away from White House, reflect, and then go back and deal with it with both vengeance and experience under his belt?
phil labonte
We can't answer that because we don't know who's on his team.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm just asking for a guess, though.
Come on, Phil.
unidentified
My apologies.
auron macintyre
I mean, that would be nice.
He better come back to the presidency if he manages to win it solo with a list of prescriptions.
Because it's very clear what time it is, it's very clear what the Democrats did to him, and it's very clear that losing the election is something that basically gets him thrown in jail at this point.
That's a scary thing, but that's where we are in American history.
hannah claire brimelow
Mistakes are incredibly high for him.
auron macintyre
At this point, and you know, they pointed this out during the Supreme Court arguments that, you know, if you go after presidents like this, they will be motivated to stay in office.
This is a lesson, you know, and the left is like, oh, that's crazy.
How could you say it?
Well, you just look at history.
This is what happened to Julius Caesar, right?
Caesar doesn't become Caesar until they force him to, until, you know, he has to go ahead and rebel.
He has to cross the Rubicon because if he doesn't, he gets destroyed.
He goes to jail.
His enemies have painted him into the corner.
Trump is kind of in that scenario.
hannah claire brimelow
You're saying Trump is Caesar?
auron macintyre
No, sadly.
But what I'm saying is that he is in a similar situation.
This is what forges men into that position.
This is the world historical forces that create that kind of situation.
I don't think Trump's the guy.
phil labonte
World historical forces.
auron macintyre
But I don't think Trump's that guy.
Is there someone?
I don't think so at the moment.
It could be on the horizon, but I don't think we're there.
phil labonte
And also, it's like he said.
It's not like you know there is a guy.
A lot of times it's like the situation helps create the person.
Baron.
I mean, maybe.
auron macintyre
He's watching.
He's waiting.
He's very tall.
hannah claire brimelow
He's looming over everything.
tim pool
We're 17 years away.
When's his birthday?
Can someone look up Baron Trump's birthday?
I got it.
This one matters.
auron macintyre
When's he turn 35?
tim pool
Exactly.
But he can campaign before he's 35.
If he wants to be the youngest president ever.
hannah claire brimelow
His birthday is... hold on, I'm having trouble finding it.
Wednesday, March 20th, so he just turned 18.
tim pool
So it's not going to be... I'd have checked the presidential cycle, but... So I don't know, he'd probably have to be like 36 or something.
auron macintyre
Well, you have Melania get elected and he rules in a regency, like she holds it in her hands until he can become old enough to assume the throne.
hannah claire brimelow
He wasn't born here, unfortunately!
auron macintyre
I mean, I'm sure that could be fixed.
hannah claire brimelow
One exception for her.
auron macintyre
Right.
phil labonte
You're going to end up with someone worse if you do that, though.
It'll be someone terrible.
Worse than what?
auron macintyre
So he wouldn't be old enough to run for presidency until 2041.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
So that means he's going to miss 2040.
unidentified
And so that means 2044.
hannah claire brimelow
But that'll put him at what?
tim pool
He'll be 39 then?
He'll still be young.
Right, so that means he's gonna miss 2040, and so that means 2044, but that'll put him at what,
he'll be 39 then? He'll still be young, he'll be good. But I'm just imagining him, you know,
he's running, smiles, he's 6'8", or whatever he is, and then behind the scenes he's just like,
I remember what they did to my father.
auron macintyre
He travels to Mexico, raises an army, returns back to the head to avenge his father.
tim pool
He crosses the Rio Grande.
phil labonte
Don't you cross!
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
At Eagle Pass.
tim pool
At Eagle Pass, yeah.
auron macintyre
The Fighting 13th with Barron Trump, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, it'd be great.
tim pool
And then after he loses, he crawls into his time machine and comes back to the 80s where he assumes the identity Steve Bannon and begins working towards helping his father win.
auron macintyre
Deep lore.
tim pool
That is my favorite fake conspiracy theory, that Steve Bannon is Barron Trump from the future.
phil labonte
Oh, man, he's got much shorter.
hannah claire brimelow
When you come back, you get shorter?
Is that what happens?
auron macintyre
Well, this was the plot of Bodies.
tim pool
Well, when you get older, you shrink.
The plot of what?
auron macintyre
Bodies.
There's a Netflix show where the guy sends himself from the future to the past to plan his own presidency, become his own father or something.
Really?
Yeah.
It wasn't a great show, but that was the plot.
hannah claire brimelow
But now we have to watch it, so we have some historical context going forward.
auron macintyre
I've written it for you, so enjoy.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
It's hard to know exactly where we end up, but I can say that the Rubicon's already been crossed, and it was Democrats who did it.
The New York criminal trial is, that's it.
Look, we know that when they go after Trump over the records, the documents, and the national security stuff, they're playing fast and loose.
Joe Biden had these documents.
I'm like, well, you know, it's fine.
Hillary Clinton destroyed, had her server wiped, and the phones were smashed by her staff.
Bill Clinton, sock drawer story, all that stuff.
But Trump, his is special.
And we go, oh, it's two-tier justice.
That is already dancing on the Rubicon.
But then you get the New York trial where it's no statute, no precedence, no justification in legislation, and they're literally just like, Trump, come here or else.
And he's like, okay, I guess.
That's it.
That's the Rubicon.
The Rubicon is Democrats saying, we have no legal jurisdiction to do this, but we hereby decree anyway.
phil labonte
I do think that Trump should call them on, like, he should call them on their bluff and be like, all right, look, if you're going to put me in jail, do it.
tim pool
Even, even Alex Berenson said Trump should call them out and be like, I'm not, I'm no longer entertaining this, this game.
phil labonte
Yeah, like he was straight up should because I mean, the amount of press that that's going to get and I really like it seems to be that the American people are not super pumped about the way Trump's being treated.
Even people that don't really, you know, like Trump are like, hey, this is kind of, you know, off.
So it's only it seems like it'll only make people more or make more people sympathetic.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and all I can think, you know, hypothetically, maybe by going to the trial or doing any of this stuff is an attempt to win people who are on the fence.
Maybe a moderate voter who's like, well, I heard Trump was crazy and he's not gonna do whatever and he's gonna abuse the system.
And in this way, he is being abused by the system.
He is not the one resisting, which could make him sort of less threatening to people who have always heard Orange Man bad.
phil labonte
Maybe.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
tim pool
There's a really funny tweet where it's that Emory professor getting arrested, and she's like, I'm a professor!
And the cop's like, put your hands behind your back!
She's like, no!
And she resists.
But some lefty was like, we all complained that we thought Donald Trump would be the guy to do this to us, but it's the guy we voted for.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, you know, there you go.
hannah claire brimelow
And he's taking away TikTok, so how are you doing, Zoomers?
tim pool
Yeah, wow.
Biden has just been real—Gen Z must be livid.
I mean, is this going to secure it for Trump, in fact?
Like, Gen Z is going to go Republican because—well, no, not really.
The Republicans are behind—they're all on board with it.
Maybe Gen Z just disenfranchises and says, we don't care for any of you guys.
hannah claire brimelow
I think there's a little of both.
auron macintyre
I mean, do you want to— No, I was just going to say, you rarely see a large youth vote anyway, so I don't think that's really the swinging demographic one way or the other.
hannah claire brimelow
I do think that Democrats for at least a long time have advertised themselves like, we're the young people's party.
Young people vote for us.
And there is some truth to that.
But it's hard for me to imagine, you know, if you're in high school right now, if you're in early college, if you're, you know, let's say 20 to 24, that This is how you want to start your adulthood.
You know, everyone's addicted to TikTok.
It's going away.
No one can buy a house.
Everything is expensive.
Maybe Joe Biden will cancel his student loan debt.
Maybe not.
It's like, this is not an inspiring person to rally around.
He doesn't seem to be doing any favors.
auron macintyre
So this is how you solve the young voter problem for the GOP, and this is also how you solve the college problem.
You go ahead and seize the endowments of the colleges.
You use the endowments to pay off the student loans.
So you're doing student loan forgiveness, but you're not forcing the average person who didn't go to college and isn't voting Democrat to pay it off.
You go ahead and get rid of any of the federal backing of this.
You go ahead and make student loans bankruptable.
And you go ahead and get rid of the disparate impact part of civil rights laws so that people
can go ahead and hire people without a college degree.
You can just go ahead and give them a simple aptitude test and you don't have to get any
of this insane credentialism that's tied to the left-wing machine.
That way you're buying off the young vote.
You're giving them a reason to go ahead and get out from under college debt.
You're removing them from the slavery attached to these institutions and you're defunding
something that is destroying your culture simultaneously.
hannah claire brimelow
I think these are great points.
tim pool
Seize the endowments.
auron macintyre
Seize them.
tim pool
That's why I was saying, like, if they're really going to pull federal funding from these universities, I'll just say, sure, if this is the issue that gets you there, I'm down.
Shut them all down.
hannah claire brimelow
It is hard to be like, I want this, but this is what motivated you guys.
Like, come on team, can't you just see that this is a terrible system and that you have been subsidizing it for years and years and years?
And they're like, no, not until we think it'll affect our foreign policy position and how we rate among voters.
phil labonte
The bad thing is if this is the thing that actually gets them to change and stuff, it's not actually the principle of the situation that's making them change.
It's outside pressure from lobbies and stuff like that.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not that they saw the light and see what's wrong.
auron macintyre
I have bad news for you.
Principal never changes their mind and outside pressure is always... Don't tell him!
hannah claire brimelow
It's like telling him Santa's not real.
unidentified
I know.
hannah claire brimelow
Come on!
phil labonte
Well, I mean, the point is, like, we all are going to either... we are either going to attempt to play by the same game or it's gonna break down.
auron macintyre
It's gonna break down.
phil labonte
And there's going to be...
Well, I mean, I don't think that, first of all, I don't think that we should encourage a breakdown, because that's just, I think that that just ends in piles of dead bodies.
And as much as you seem to think that it doesn't mean that there will be less intervention from international interests, I personally think that that is not the case, and the reason I think that's not the case is because of the number of nuclear weapons we have.
So I think that if there's a breakdown or a massive problem with the integrity of the United States federal government, I think that there's a significant likelihood that other countries get together and say, well, we need to secure the nuclear weapons.
Whether and whatever happens after that, I don't know, and I'm not saying that it's something I want, but I don't see the rest of the world saying it's okay for the United States to fall apart and we don't know who's going to be in charge of the nuclear weapons in Montana or whatever.
auron macintyre
And how about Russia?
phil labonte
I'm not, I mean, and also, uh, the U S was able to be the moderator. There is no us without the U S.
tim pool
So Russia has a nuclear weapons and if the U S crumbles, it would just be an inversion of what
phil labonte
we saw with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Like I said, that like I just said that the,
it was, it was okay because the U S and.
and NATO managed the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Without someone like the U.S.
to manage the dissolution of the United States, what happens is probably the U.N.
gets together and decides that they're going to go ahead and send some kind of whatever in to at least secure the military assets.
And that's, you know, it'll probably be something that works in conjunction with the existing federal government or whatever.
But it's just it's a minefield of horrors.
That's basically what I'm thinking.
tim pool
West Coast goes China, and East Coast and Northeast goes EU-NATO control.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, my thing is, all of these options are options that end up with piles and piles and piles of dead human beings.
So I'm just trying to think of like, as long as there is still the opportunity to talk about ways to fix it, Or to overt that kind of thing, I'm at least going to discuss it, so I'm not that blackmailed yet.
tim pool
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TokenBlackGuy says, Clint, I'm coming for you.
The gauntlet has been thrown and the challenge accepted.
Clint Torres, who normally has the first superchat every night, says, if you're first, it's because I let you.
And so now there's the challenge of who will be the first superchat.
hannah claire brimelow
The race is on.
tim pool
Tim Jakes' prayers for the people of Lincoln and Omaha, Nebraska metro area.
Multiple tornadoes this afternoon, several neighborhoods flattened.
hannah claire brimelow
Videos were wild.
phil labonte
Yeah, super brutal.
I feel like Krasenstein was sharing a video game.
What do you mean?
He was sharing a video of a tornado, and I swear to God it was a video game.
There were some massive, there were real ones that I know that I'm sure were real, that were a nightmare to look at as well.
hannah claire brimelow
You think that one was questionable in origin?
tim pool
Which Krasenstein?
phil labonte
I'm not sure which one.
tim pool
There's two of them.
phil labonte
Yeah, there's one of them blocked me, I forget which one.
hannah claire brimelow
So the one that didn't block Phil.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, that's worthless.
auron macintyre
You have a 50-50 shot.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Brian, I think Brian.
tim pool
Yeah, it's probably Brian because their profiles look the exact same.
phil labonte
Does Ed still have the sunglasses?
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Is that, I think, yep, that looks like a video game.
phil labonte
It looks like a video game, right?
Yeah.
Yo, is that real?
tim pool
That's crazy.
phil labonte
I'm like, man, this is the same thing when people are like, oh, the ghost of Kiev and it's Arma.
tim pool
Oh, the car's got Starlink on it?
phil labonte
That's what it looks like.
tim pool
The car driving has a Starlink on it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow, that's gnarly, man.
phil labonte
So maybe it's not, but it just looked like it.
auron macintyre
Anyways.
tim pool
Let's go.
Soapy Enigma says, hit up at Soapy underscore Enigma on the Discord to join our non-woke game jam.
We'll also help you learn how to make games.
That sounds really good.
And we have to release this game code that we have for the video game we are making.
Cause I'm like, we gotta open, we have like an 80% done video game.
And it's called Normie Quest.
And, uh, we got really far in it and then it just, we kind of just, development stopped.
The game is, you're a regular guy, construction worker, on the top of a skyscraper, when, uh, you get word, like, like, the story is, his phone goes, brrp, and he gets a notification of, of like, you know, some, something happens, and I don't, I don't, I won't give too much of the story, but, a thing happens that triggers the left, and then he panics and runs to the edge of the building and sees just, like, 10 million Antifa, and then his phone goes, brrp, again, he looks, and it says, you know, Little Johnny's Little League Game 2PM, And he's like, I can't miss it!
And so the point of the game is to make your way down the skyscraper, which is varying levels of development, till you get to the end, so that you can make it to your son's little league game through these mass riots.
Yeah.
So the game is, like, just been sitting there mostly done.
There's, like, weapons and stuff.
Still needs a lot of work, but, uh, the original plan a year ago, I think, was like, hey, we're gonna release the code to the Discord server to open source it, and they can just make the game.
And then we didn't, so let's, like, put a note somewhere and not forget, and we'll do that.
Anyway.
phil labonte
Damn.
tim pool
Well, it's not, I don't think it's Dane's job.
phil labonte
He'll put the note down.
tim pool
There you go, someone will put the note down.
And then, uh, so, at Soapy underscore Enigma on the Discord.
So you guys, if you want to join, uh, the TimCast members, um, join the Discord server, hang out with the, with like-minded individuals, make video games, play video games, build culture.
Robert de la Cruz says, FJB forever.
Shout out to that construction worker.
We, we all greatly enjoyed that.
hannah claire brimelow
That was so funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Dylan Binkley says, my takeaway from today's Culture War episode, conservative women is an oxymoron.
I do true but well that's why what people need to understand is that a lot of conservative women today
I'm not saying the prominent ones the ones you know I'm saying there are many conservative women who were feminists
and liberal and then when wokeness happened They said I'm not okay with that and after 10 years of this
They're like I'm also a conservative and it's like you're a liberal feminist
but because you agree with conservatives on a ton of issues pertaining to like
Title nine and and trans issues you now think you are conservative and you're not
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's interesting.
It's like, can you actually leave feminism behind?
Can you unwire your brain from that type of thinking?
Because I do see that happen, where women are now conservative, but also their immediate instinct is to attack towards feminism.
tim pool
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I think there's a reality to conservative women and feminism in that so long as divorce law and courts work this way, there will be feminists.
That's it.
That's just it.
And it's like, sorry, like no fault divorce has got to go.
And then maybe things will start changing around what people think.
But you know, until then.
phil labonte
I mean, whether or not there's no-fault divorce, like, if people feel like marriage is like, just like dating.
Yeah, it's like more serious dating.
As long as people, you know, conceive of marriage as, I can get out of this, it doesn't matter what the laws are.
And this goes back to what we were talking about with the Constitution.
Like, if people, you know, you can have the right to free speech all day long, but if society doesn't say, yes, we believe in that, You're going to get laws that limit your speech, you know?
auron macintyre
Constitutional laws are always just a representation of the beliefs, the moral attitudes, the traditions.
They don't actually do anything in and of themselves.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think it's, I mean, I think both men and women need to be in agreement about what traditions we are trying to move forward and everyone has to agree to live in a way that encourages that.
Obviously, you'll get outliers all the time, but if you don't have that social cohesion, of course, there'll be, you know, the genders will be at odds at times.
tim pool
I mean, here's a funny thing.
We've never had more free speech.
George Carlin got arrested for swearing.
Like, he was arrested for it!
People don't understand that even when we wrote the Constitution, when they were writing about free speech, it was only based on the confines and the reasonable boundaries of the community, what they'd be willing to accept.
So they knew, they were like, and you should be allowed to have free speech, and what they were referring to is challenging your government when it becomes tyrannical to certain ends, and assembling, and having press, but they all would have agreed if a guy said he wanted to dress up like a woman and rip his clothes off in front of kids, they'd be like, that's not expression or speech, and we will have you removed from, you know, we will have you jailed or whatever.
So now, we are reaching the boundaries of what even Classical and traditional liberals are willing to accept in terms of free speech being like, okay, maybe the guy saying he wants to kill Zionists is where we're drawing the line.
auron macintyre
The people signing on for free speech for the First Amendment believed in blasphemy laws.
They were rampant all throughout the United States.
So our idea of free speech bears very little resemblance to the actual belief.
I mean, even John Locke, the founder of classical liberalism, said that atheists shouldn't be trusted or be able to hold political office.
So the people who call themselves classically liberal today aren't really.
They don't really hold office.
tim pool
Those laws exist.
Some states don't allow atheists to hold office.
auron macintyre
Based.
tim pool
Yeah.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Today's culture war was a good one.
More lady talk like that.
I don't know about you all, but I've always thought of yoga pants as a gift from the gods.
Haha.
hannah claire brimelow
More lady talk.
Thanks, Raymond.
tim pool
Pfau says, several tornadoes tore through eastern Nebraska and western Iowa just before the show.
Pray for the families affected by these natural disasters.
Sad to hear it, sad to hear it.
Grofty says, the like button is lonely.
Be a friend.
Smash that like button.
Alright, TechBear.
ATR will be in Arkansas in August.
I will try and go.
But I already bought tickets to see the greatest band ever, Creed, at the same venue in September.
phil labonte
Ooh, Creed is gonna be a great show.
You should make both of the shows, though.
tim pool
Remember when songs were about things?
phil labonte
I mean, I write songs about things and stuff frequently.
hannah claire brimelow
You can still do that?
That's great!
I mean, I always knew you could do it, but culture does that?
tim pool
Here's my conspiracy theory.
Because of John Lennon, the intelligence agencies were like, we can't let people build up influence in media with radio, TV, and music.
And then subvert our agenda.
So we should just control that.
And then this turned music into, like, it made it much more rigid.
And then you end up with Diddy.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Well, I will say, all right, so in the 70s and 80s, after the 60s and the free love and stuff, the 70s and 80s, music was definitely focused on partying and the partying focus stopped.
Conspicuously right around the same time the Soviet Union ended and then everything got mopey and grungy after that.
So, you know, maybe the CIA was like, if everyone's doing cocaine and chasing each other around the parking lot, then they're not going to be commies.
auron macintyre
I for one support the resurgence of creed.
I think this is a great sign for the future of the nation.
Only good things can come from this.
tim pool
I mean, look at this song with arms wide open.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
He's singing a song about having a kid.
Like, yeah, you know, music is so much influence.
And turn on the top hits of today, and I'm just like, man, this is like, I gotta be honest, I look at like some of the top billboard stuff, and it's literally something you could AI generate with suno.ai.
We've made these fake joke songs.
But if you go into this app and just put modern pop electronic, it will make you a top 10 billboard chart topping song.
The message has been completely stripped out of all of it.
And to be fair, like, even before John Lennon went full, you know, anti-Vietnam, a lot of the songs from the Beatles were vapid, meaningless pop, nothing.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
You know, I want to hold your hand.
phil labonte
Well, that was edgy back then.
tim pool
I guess.
phil labonte
You know, now Sexy Red is edgy, but...
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Our culture's falling apart!
unidentified
I hate this!
tim pool
You know what I love, too, is I love, um... What was that movie about the teenagers who wanted to go see Kiss play?
Detroit Rock City, was that what it was?
And it's like, their parents are like, they're Satanists, you can't support them.
When I was little, I didn't actually know what Kiss was, and so when I saw them, the crazy looks and the tongue and all that stuff, I thought it was gonna be like, death.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And then I heard it, and I was like, oh, this is like, upbeat, happy stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
And then I'm like, And then someone introduced me to Dima Borgir.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was like, oh, that's what I thought KISS was gonna be.
hannah claire brimelow
I had a similar experience, because I feel like I somehow grew up under a rock.
I don't even know if I listened to the radio until I was 13.
Like, don't know what happened there.
But KISS, I always thought was like really intense, whatever else.
unidentified
And the first time I heard KISS I was like, they're false advertising.
hannah claire brimelow
This doesn't seem right at all.
tim pool
Did they write, I want to rock and roll all night?
Was that them?
phil labonte
Yes, that's KISS.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's like glam rock, right?
phil labonte
Well, yes, it was.
They were definitely never a heavy band.
And if your first introduction to KISS was like 70s KISS, like disco KISS, you would be forgiven for being like, whoa, this is some crazy stuff because I was made for loving you as some disco KISS, right?
Like that's some disco sounding stuff.
It's not very rock.
But then in the 80s, they stayed with the time and they became like a glam metal band and stuff.
tim pool
Music these days is very much like...
Like, a lot of these top songs are meaningless.
And then the thing about Creed, which is this resurgence that's come back, is their songs were very meaningful.
Someone posted a meme.
They said they took rock from us because rock had meaning.
It had, you know, things behind it.
And I'm like...
You know, look, when grunge started popping off and Nirvana came around, like, Nirvana was completely meaningless.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, notoriously, it's funny, because people will often write about, like, what did Kurt Cobain mean when he wrote this?
And people are like, dude, if you know anything about the history, it's gibberish.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I knew a guy who worked with him when I went to Seattle.
I met someone who had worked with an old drug addict guy, and he was like, Kurt famously would just sing gibberish before he got big.
He would just jam out and sing good melodies and good songs, but with words that didn't mean anything.
phil labonte
And like, listen to Smells Like Teen Spirit!
That's how I write.
First thing that I get is like, we'll go ahead and we'll figure out how we want the kind of syllables to land and how we want the melody to go.
And we'll do like, you know, and just getting through the part.
And then if there's stuff, like if there's a vowel sound that's there that we like and we want the ah sound at that point, we'll write the lyrics.
And it's, you know, it's challenging.
hannah claire brimelow
That's so interesting, like writing around your vowels.
phil labonte
Yeah, and not only that, but how many syllables, too.
It's like, okay, we have three syllables right here, and we have five syllables to split here, and we have to say this idea.
How do we do it?
hannah claire brimelow
It's like a musical crossword puzzle.
tim pool
A thesaurus is your best friend.
phil labonte
Yes.
auron macintyre
Do you think that's because metal has the vocals have become percussive in a way that they aren't in some other genres?
Not to say that the rhythm doesn't matter in other genres, but...
phil labonte
I don't think so, and the reason is because the stuff that I'm referring to now is melodic stuff.
So now the barking, screaming stuff.
The barking, screaming stuff is, I honestly, when we're doing the barking, screaming stuff, me and Josh, the guy that we're producing the record with, Josh Willer, he, me and him do a lot of, we listen to a lot of rap.
Because the barking kind of like heavy stuff, because there's no melody in it, like the cool thing to do is like match, or it's cool to match like rhymes inside of rhymes.
And then, or have stuff reference other stuff, so we use a lot of rap.
We Eminem stuff to inspire.
tim pool
Oh god, I hate that.
Don't, no.
It's not okay.
auron macintyre
Malinois, not a German Shepherd. Oh God, I don't know. It's not okay. It's my head my head cannon
tim pool
Stays the same grommet griptide says could I ask you to pray to pray for my wife?
She's a foreigner and has an interview on the 5th for a visitor visa.
What are your thoughts why the government makes it easier for illegals than people who obey the law?
I've been trying to get her a permanent visa since 2020.
I honestly have no idea.
It makes no sense.
You'd think if they were like, we want as many non-citizens here as possible, they'd let them come through the door too.
They'd prefer that.
phil labonte
Everything the government does seems like it is contrary to what is good for the country and to the existing society, you know?
tim pool
What if, like, what happened was...
The president went through a mirror and the negative version of the president stepped through, so now he's doing everything backwards, like bizarro Biden.
hannah claire brimelow
Some of it is, it feels like we have a culture in society, and therefore a government, that rewards Lawlessness and self-centeredness, right?
Like, if you show up here and you know you're here illegally and you don't even try to, you know, apply or anything else, like you just decide you're going to cross the border, well, you're already here, so they have to deal with you, right?
And so it sort of becomes easier to release you in the country, whereas it's much easier to say, like, oh, we'll get you later, or no, you can't have your visa to someone who is trying to follow the methods.
And so It just becomes this system where law-abiding people are expected to deal with the brunt and the after-effects of lawlessness or selfishness.
tim pool
So Todd B says, not defending her or saying dog deserves death, but she did also say the dog attacked and killed neighbor's chickens as well as biting people.
phil labonte
Super don't care!
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I feel like that's also her being a bad owner.
unidentified
That doesn't have anything to do with...
tim pool
When I lived in Florida, we had chickens, and they got killed.
And I got mad.
And so we were like, how did this happen?
And so we got more chickens, and they got killed.
And I got really mad, and I'm like, they were in an enclosed area that was fenced off.
Oh, a dog had dug under, and we didn't notice the spot where the dog had dug under, killed them all, and then ripped their bodies to shreds.
And so I set a- I didn't know it was a dog.
I set a trap!
I bought an animal trap and I was like, okay, whatever is doing this.
And it was the guy, the next house over, who had a dog.
And I caught the dog.
And then we gave the dog back and we said, please stop having your dog kill our chickens.
We didn't demand the dog be harmed.
I was like, it's a dog that killed chickens.
What we did get was, uh, an airsoft gun.
And then the next time I saw the dog, I just pop, pop, pop, pop.
And he ran away and he never came back.
I did not actually aim at the dog or anything.
hannah claire brimelow
I scared him.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then he ran away and he never came back.
And I was like, there you go.
I'm not going to hurt a dog because dog did dog thing.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, especially a hunting dog, which I don't know what she was hunting, but a lot of dogs are trained to help hunt birds.
I feel like this dog might have been, you know, within a logical bounds here with chickens.
tim pool
I can respect it wasn't as simple as she was like, I don't like this dog, I'm gonna kill it.
And it was like, it was biting people.
And if a dog bites someone, I think twice, then some states are like, this dog is too dangerous.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, except for Joe Biden's dog.
They can go 25, 30, maybe even 40 times.
And they're still around.
But again, I still think that speaks to, like, this environment might have been a bad fit for the dog.
And your first reaction should probably have been rehoming, additional training, bringing in some sort of professional help.
Being like, I just got frustrated and shot the dog is really not the answer here.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Red Muskrat says, Libertarians are not your little purse puppies.
Simply a temporary alliance because the Democrats went communist.
We remember parental advisory stickers and what you do when you hold the power.
We're talking about it right now in our circles.
Know that.
Yeah.
But it wasn't parental advisory.
It was the left.
auron macintyre
It was Al Gore's wife.
tim pool
Yeah, it was Al Gore's wife.
Tipper Gore, there you go.
Yeah, that wasn't right.
phil labonte
Dave Mustaine wrote a song about it.
hannah claire brimelow
So hopefully they're talking about that too in their circles.
phil labonte
They're just libertarians.
They want to be mad at us.
auron macintyre
It's true.
phil labonte
That's all they're doing.
They're just mad.
hannah claire brimelow
They're in the angsty teens politics.
phil labonte
Libertarians, if they're not pissed off at you, then they don't know you exist.
tim pool
But this is why I like the Mises caucus, because they're libertarian in the logical sense, understanding you need borders.
auron macintyre
You shouldn't give guns to illegal immigrants.
tim pool
Right, right.
That was wild.
Who did that?
What state was that?
auron macintyre
I forget which libertarian.
It was like Louisiana or one of the ones.
That's just insane.
tim pool
Yeah, the funny thing about those kind of, what are they called, Lulbertarians?
phil labonte
Lulberts.
tim pool
Lulberts, is like, they're the ones that get bootstomped by communists instantly.
phil labonte
Yep.
Well, the dumb thing about left libertarians is they're literally saying, hey, we're the Democrats without the free stuff.
Right, all the garbage that Democrats do, all the garbage the left does, all of the tone policing, all of the, you can't say this, all of the, all that stuff.
And they're like, well, but you can have guns, but that's it.
Like, you, like nothing else.
Like, and you don't get any of the benefits.
So literally it's like, why are you going to be a left-leaning libertarian when you can just be a Democrat and get all kinds of, I'll just be a Democrat, vote Democrat, and I'll get a bunch of goodies from the government.
tim pool
Mac N says, my beagle named Hunter passed away in my arms today.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
He was my first dog I ever had.
He was 15 and I got him when I was 9.
He was the best boy a guy could have asked for.
I'm sorry to hear it, Mac.
I will pull one out for Hunter tonight.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's really hard.
It's really hard to lose your, like, very first childhood pet.
tim pool
And that's why, uh, you know, dogs are lucky.
Because for the most part, dogs get us forever.
Their life is from beginning to end, we're there.
I read this, there's a really great meme where it was like, someone said, I was thinking about what it must be like to be a dog, and we're like elves.
phil labonte
I read that same thing.
tim pool
Yeah, we live, we have magic powers.
phil labonte
And they get more complex as the stories go, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, we have magic powers, we can travel, we can fly, we live seemingly forever.
unidentified
And I'm like, yeah, you know, like elves.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Eric Miller says, Tim, where can I get a Boonies skateboard, not just a skateboarder, not a skateboarder, but I'd love to give one or two away to somebody that gets my local park.
They are, they're currently getting made and pressed right now.
We're going through like a smaller local company.
hannah claire brimelow
That's cool.
tim pool
And so they're currently getting, getting done.
We ordered a bunch, so it takes a long time, but hopefully soon, hopefully soon.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you going to sell them on the Boonies website?
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's boonieshq.com, which is like there, but still partially under construction.
And we just got to the Boonies space where we're filming and skating, and so we're not even fully ramped up yet.
The crew isn't even, the skaters aren't even ready full time.
We haven't even whiteboarded out our plans, so it's relatively early.
But the big news is, Oh, I love this.
Some of the biggest names in skateboarding have been reaching out and wanting to get involved.
And it's because skateboarding is seriously hurt right now.
55% of skateboarders are over the age of 30.
That means the industry is collapsing.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Because you always, and people aren't having kids.
phil labonte
Nobody goes outside.
Yeah.
tim pool
Right, and so any industry needs to have the majority of their market being under a certain age, implying there is a future for your industry.
But if majority of skateboarders are over 30, that means in 10 years when these people, so already 30-year-old skateboarders are buying less boards, buying less shoes, they're working more hours in other jobs, so their purchase of these products is going down.
And you have less young people to buy product, which means the industry will start shrinking, which means less promotional video, which means less interest from other young people.
It is a deflation, and if skateboarding doesn't turn this around and start inspiring more young people to be involved in the sport, which may change with the Olympics coming up in this year, which is going to be big, and then 2028 in L.A.
will be huge, skateboarding could seriously drop off and the market could collapse.
Like, nobody's talking about the market of I don't even know what it's called.
What's the thing where they throw the ice pucks?
phil labonte
Curling?
tim pool
Curling!
Like, skateboarding is a massive cultural influence.
Curling is not.
Curling's cool, it's fun.
Like, be an Olympic curler or whatever, but like, you know, there's no curling parks all over the country.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
tim pool
There are, to a certain degree, but not like skate parks.
So, that's the big news.
Once we announced the big investment, the plans, some of the biggest names in skateboarding were like, we're in.
And I must tell you, my friends, I do believe with this effort we are on the cusp of maybe one of the biggest culture war victories in that The size of skateboarding and the risk they're facing right now, and the fact that a lot of these older guys are very anti-woke, just scared, means that there's a tremendous opportunity in making the investment when some of the biggest pros start skating our park and produce segments with us and are riding our boards and all that stuff, the woke skateboarders will have literally nothing to say.
They're gonna go to a skate park and be like, yeah, well, pro skateboarders are dumb and everyone's gonna be like, who are you?
Why are you hating on everything we're doing?
Right now, they've got the pros.
A lot of the older guys are terrified to speak out about the insanity.
There are a lot of professional skateboarders who got boards simply for their identity and not for their skills.
And so a lot of the people who made skateboarding an Olympic sport, worldly, are upset about this.
I think we're potentially like two months away from a massive cultural shock to the system where we completely invert a massive industry.
And I will say two things.
AWH Distribution, one of the biggest skateboard distribution companies, is on Public Square Flip Skateboards, one of the most famous skateboarding companies in the world, is on Public Square.
And you've got Nitro Circus, skaters like Beaver Fleming, a pro who does double backflips, wearing his Public Square shirts.
When I told some of these pros, they're like, I'm really worried about the politics.
And I was like, oh, Flip is on Public Square.
They went, what?
And I'm like, flip skateboards.
This is like Jeff Rowley.
This is Tony Hawk pro skater level stuff.
This is one of the biggest companies have publicly declared their support for family values and free speech and all that stuff.
That's wild.
And that's massive.
So I'm really, really excited for that.
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auron macintyre
Yeah, absolutely.
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And of course, got the YouTube channel, the podcast, Aurene McIntyre Show.
phil labonte
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hannah claire brimelow
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It's been really cool to be in this space.
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unidentified
See you later, Henna Claire.
See you guys later.
Have a good weekend.
tim pool
We'll be back Monday, but we got clips throughout the weekend.
Thanks for hanging out.
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