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April 18, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Youtube NUKES TimcastIRL Deleting Biggest Shows, Veiled Threat Of PERMANENT BAN | Timcast IRL

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unidentified		And it is beginning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Today we got a notification from YouTube that our two biggest episodes, featuring Joe Rogan, Michael Malice, Alex Jones, and many others, had been removed for retroactive policy enforcement.
		I spent some time on the phone with Google.
		I'm angrily discussing this, and there's a lot to break down in this, but it's an election year.
		And so three years, and for one of the episodes longer than three years, four years, but between three and four years after these shows had already aired, and they had no policy violations, they come back and make up fake reasons as to why these episodes are being removed from YouTube.
		What they told us effectively said to me, we cannot be on YouTube.
		My only options would be to delete and purge every single show and clip from this YouTube channel based on what they told me.
		And then they said, no, no, no, no, don't do that.
		But we'll get into all the finer details as we begin to talk about, there's a lot to break down.
		I'm gonna get into the dirt and grime of how the business operates, why we do the things we do, what our moves are going to be going forward.
		I've already had discussions with some top men, top men, and I think everyone's gonna be very, very excited as to what this means because YouTube basically just said, we don't want you, we don't like you, get the out.
		So, let me save the greater details for the actual segment, because we're doing the intros, but we do have a lot of other news.
		Biden, I guess, is claiming that something happened with the plane crashes.
		Was it Uncle or something?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Was Uncle got eaten by cannibals?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Almost, almost.
		Alright, we got to make sure we get politics in there.
		I don't know that there's anything too tremendous politically, but I think the biggest story, actually, was Bloomberg writing that The UAE's attempt at weather manipulation resulted in mass flooding, which is wreaking havoc on the country.
		And now you've got all these articles popping up from the left, like, no, it's a conspiracy theory!
		Weather modification did not cause the Great Flooding!
		Uh, yeah, they were cloud seeding.
		And according to Bloomberg, the cloud seeding made these floods substantially worse.
		Major backfire in government weather manipulation, I guess.
		So, uh, we'll talk about that as well.
		And then we have this viral video where children staged a walkout of their school, complaining that furries have litter boxes in the bathrooms.
		The guy filming the video says, I heard that was a rumor.
		That's not true.
		And they're like, no, they're there!
		Now, we've not confirmed this independently, so I think it's important to take all that information with a grain of salt, but I really don't believe someone orchestrated 70 children leaving a building and lying about something.
		That seems like a conspiracy theory.
		And Occam's Razor would suggest these kids are pissed off about furries in their school and litter boxes in their bathrooms, so we'll talk about that... Before we do, ladies and gentlemen, head over to casbrew.com.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they're trying to ban us.
		Buy our coffee, I guess.
		We got big plans for Casper Coffee.
		We want to build physical locations all over the country.
		We have a physical location being built right now in Martinsburg, West Virginia.
		It's not so much about coffee.
		It's about the third place.
		Somewhere you can hang out, meet like-minded individuals, share an honest cup of joe, and talk about ideas, and get organized, and build community.
		Something that is tremendously antithetical to the authority establishment plans.
		They want you living in a pod, eating the bugs in virtual reality, and we want to resist that.
		Now, the coffee's delicious, don't get me wrong, but I recommend you buy it.
		Appalachian Nights is everybody's favorite.
		We are now sold out of ReRise with Roberto Jr., but there's going to be a small limited batch popping up of 700 bags.
		We're going to be selling those at about $7 each, just to move them, because we had the extra bags lying around, so we're going to brew some of the fresh coffee.
		But it is good coffee.
		It's my favorite.
		Appalachian Nights, of course, is the best.
		And when you buy Casper Coffee, the money that we're getting from it, we're not taking any profits or anything out right now.
		Hopefully in the future it's a big profitable company.
		It's all being reinvested into setting up these physical locations.
		In Martinsburg, if you're a member of TimCast.com's Elite Club, that is, you click join us and it's 100 bucks a month, you're gonna get a key fob.
		You're gonna be able to walk up to the building in the secret side entrance and boop, you're way right on in, walk upstairs and hang out in the club.
		That's our plan for the private club.
		But become a member at TimCast.com for 10 bucks a month and you'll get access to our Discord server where you can hang out and chat with like-minded individuals and network digitally.
		It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.
		And you'll get access to our members-only uncensored shows, where you can even call in if you are a member.
		Now, more importantly, I think it's important to stress that this show, right now, if it weren't for TimCast members, it would not exist.
		The cost of flying out guests, putting up people in hotels, paying for the staff, the drivers and the coordination and all that stuff is very expensive.
		So we are only able to do this because you guys are members.
		So naturally when YouTube effectively declares war on us, and there's a lot I'll break down in that.
		There's a great risk.
		And so, uh, obviously we have options.
		There is a demand for great media shows like ours, and many people are interested.
		And YouTube, uh, is- is interested in destroying their company and brand.
		Fine.
		Whatever.
		We'll see what happens when TikTok gets banned, I guess.
		Maybe YouTube's not worried about it, but, uh, I strongly request y'all become members.
		Because, uh, you'll get access to our uncensored show, a bunch of other bonus stuff.
		You'll get to watch live spaces with Josie, if you're a fan of Josie's.
		And, uh, we've got many more stuff.
		We've got a couple documentaries.
		We'll be releasing those on multiple platforms soon as well.
		But, uh, become a member.
		Hang out in the Discord.
		We got more member stuff we're working on.
		I think the, uh, physical locations are gonna be a blast.
		Don't forget to also smash that like button.
		Subscribe to this channel.
		And don't forget to subscribe on Rumble.
		At rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
		I think that's our URL.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's check it out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll make sure we got that one right.
		And follow me personally on X at Timcast.
		Those are going to be very important because next week we'll be moving to a new studio.
		I won't say much more beyond that, but follow us in those places if you catch my drift.
		Unfortunately, today we did have a guest.
		There was a medical emergency.
		So instead, Phil Labonte is the guest.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, everybody?
		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like, we have no guest.
		Phil's famous.
		Phil, sit in the chair.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've followed your work for a long time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you're here.
unidentified		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then in third chair, we have Mr. Bocas.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What a great cat.
		It's a painting of Mr. Booker.
		Nice job, Josie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I called everybody.
		I was like, Oh, man, you know, these things happen.
		It's rare.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's rare, but it happens last minute thing, you know, and so, you know, then you got the animal surge that just steps up every chance every moment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll just we'll just make sure to talk more tonight.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Find a night by the way.
unidentified		Thanks, yeah, appreciate it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		People watch, like, people watch the show, I mean, the guests are obviously, it's great to have the guests and stuff like that to get a different perspective, but people really do watch the show because- You're a guest, Phil!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of like, what do you do in your normal life, this show, this show?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was trying to get Richie Jackson to come.
		Actually, the first person we tried calling was Libby, and I was like, we'll just see if Libby can come in and fill in the seat because she comes on all the time, and she was unavailable, and I was like, I know who needs to come on the show.
		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that'd be great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was too far away.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't able to make it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like, that actually would be a really great show.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was so awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everybody knows him.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's so funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And, uh, and he works here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Am I, I don't want to speak out of turn, ex-Marine is Ray?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Former.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Former Marine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a different word you use?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not, you're never not a Marine.
		Once you're a Marine, you're always a Marine.
		So there's a former because you were, you know, you were in service and you're, when you're not in service and you can be called a former Marine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I was calling Richie Jackson, too.
		I was like, you know, he's a wild, crazy guy.
		But everybody just was like, man, it was a perfect storm of everybody dipping.
		What a crazy day.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, really.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sir, just pressing the buttons.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian's here, too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Hello.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		Welcome.
		Let's do this.
		I love the meta shows where we talk about, like, the show beneath the show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, here we go.
		I mean, we're going to talk about Nitty Gritty.
		I'll break down everything for everybody.
		I mean, I typically do.
		I wonder if we're, like, the most transparent of shows when it comes to how shows run.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Among them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this story from the post-millennial.
		So earlier today, I was working out.
		I had a great mini-ramp session.
		I would say I'm around 20% of my capabilities.
		I haven't skated mini-ramp in a very long time.
		And Richie and I were getting the session going.
		I burned 1600 calories.
		It was glorious.
		Then I went to physical training and I almost passed out because I was really pushing it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I heard you were talking about like your blood pressure was like, you felt like you were gonna, or no, your watch was telling you that you maxed out, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I had about 33 minutes of VO2 max, and then as soon as this, I get a message from Dane, our social media guy, and he's like, hey, take a look at this.
		And it says your videos have been removed.
		So two of the biggest, the two biggest, TimCast IRL shows on YouTube were deleted.
		Both today.
		Three years after they aired, with retroactive policy enforcement, that they claim were always in effect, but only now they decided to remove.
		The biggest episode on YouTube, of course, was Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Blair White, Michael Malice, me, I believe Luke Rikowsky was there, Ian was there, was there, Drew Hernandez was there, it was a massive show
		in Austin in this trailer.
		Joe Rogan pulls up to our big trailer mobile studio and he comes in and we're like, let's
		roll and we had like 160,000 concurrent viewers, massive.
		There's no policy violations.
		We talked about things everybody always talks about.
		We're very, very strict on this show.
		You guys know, we've deleted episodes live during the show, and we've been working on engineering a dump button, which basically means if there's ever a policy violation, we hit a button, and then there's a delay, so that whatever violated the rules never appears, and we don't have to take the show down anymore.
		So we built all this.
		Show's deleted.
		The other episode was the Michael Malice Alex Jones episode, which was our second biggest, which we did after they took down the first one.
		Alex Jones and Michael Malice came on the show.
		It was hilarious and fun.
		They deleted it and gave us a warning.
		I think, I don't know if we got, I don't think we ever got a strike from it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, we didn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got a warning from it.
		And the warning was on the channel for Two and a half years.
		As soon as this happened, I'm on the phone with Google, and they're saying, we can't tell you what the policy violation was.
		And I'm like, how are we supposed to do better and fit your terms of service if we have no idea what you're mad about?
		And they're like, too bad.
		I said, okay.
		So I had all these people messaging and commenting, being like, duh, you're babies, you took the episode, blah, blah, blah.
		And I was like, I called Michael Maus and Alex Jones and said, guys, can you come back immediately and do the show again?
		They want to take down our episode and they won't tell us why.
		We'll do the show again.
		And so a week later, Alex and Michael came back and that was at the time our biggest episode ever, the Try Me YouTube episode.
		I can only assume they were not happy we did that, but I got to tell you, before we even had Alex Jones on, I emailed our liaison at Google and said, what are the rules pertaining to Alex Jones?
		Is he allowed to be a guest on shows?
		And they said, absolutely.
		And I said, okay.
		You guys have no issue with this then?
		He said, no, no.
		He just can't have his own channel.
		I said, done.
		They deleted the episode.
		They found whatever reason.
		We did the show again.
		No problems.
		Over the past several years, I've actually spoken with people at Google and they said they were great episodes.
		They were fine.
		I've had people be like, oh, my friends work at YouTube.
		They're big fans.
		I've had people who work at YouTube tell me, I love watching the show every night.
		They took down our two biggest episodes at the same time.
		One, they claimed we promoted QAnon.
		That is, I say defamation.
		I've never promoted QAnon.
		I mock people who are promoting QAnon.
		When people on this show ever mention anything about it, we say that's silly nonsense.
		They claim that we had some kind of vaccine medical misinformation, so you didn't get a strike on that one, but it's okay.
		Here's what this means.
		I'm on the phone with Google.
		Immediately after this happened, I get an email and they're like, we just want to let you know we took these episodes down.
		And I said, three years after these episodes aired, you're now claiming a policy violation.
		And they're like, well, it was always against the rules.
		And I said, okay, here's what we're going to do.
		I will instruct my social media guy right now to delete every single video off the Tim Cast IRL channel.
		We will air the episodes, and a week later, delete them from the platform.
		We will put the clips up, and a week later, delete them from the platform, because that is the only thing we can do based on retroactive policy enforcement.
		If you tell us what we're doing is fine, and we behave in that way for three years, I've got a thousand episodes.
		I said we've got 1,006 episodes.
		Probably about 990 are on YouTube, plus every single clip, which is three to six clips per episode.
		And you tell us what we did on that show was fine for three years.
		That means from that point on till today, we did the exact same things we did in that episode.
		How many episodes am I supposed to go through now to figure out if they violate the rules?
		And I was told by the person at Google, well, I don't know of any other episodes where this is an issue.
		And I said, sure.
		And you didn't know for three years this episode was an issue.
		So my only option then is to delete every single show off the platform or you're going to ban us.
		What they effectively told me was, no, no, it's fine, you're fine, and I said this.
		Okay.
		Then someone at the highest level of Google or YouTube came down to you guys and said, delete those episodes, I don't want them on the platform, make up a reason.
		And you're telling me it's fine, and we're not gonna get banned, because you know it's political, and it was someone at Google who ordered the shows to be removed.
		If that is not the case, then you have retroactively placed policy enforcement actions against us, which leaves me with no alternative but to delete every video off this channel, otherwise at any moment we could be banned.
		And they said, no, no, I don't know, I can't tell you that.
		Okay, great, you can't.
		Well, I immediately made some calls to top men, who I will not reveal.
		We have big plans coming up for the studio move, which is taking place this weekend.
		A lot of people have said, Tim, go to Rumble!
	Tim, go to Rumble!
	Well, you know, we're on Rumble.
	And then people ask us why the live show isn't on Rumble.
	The live show is the biggest driver of memberships at TimCast.com, which is the only way we're able to do all of this.
	If we downsized and became like a digital over-the-air show where we just Skype people in and stuff like that, Sure, that shaves off a ton of money from our budget, and we could make things a lot cheaper, but I think one of the things that makes the conversations on the show work better, and I've talked to a lot of people in the industry about it, and everyone agrees, is in-person conversations in real life.
	Well, I don't want to do that.
	That means right now, based on how much it costs to run this show, drivers, staff, hotels, etc., the amount of members we have is maintaining.
	The amount of memberships we have is at a decent amount where we make a little bit more every month than we spend on the show, which gives us the ability to invest in other projects.
	My concern when I talk to all these other big companies and they're like, we want TimCast IRL live here, here, or here, or otherwise, is that the clips don't drive a lot of memberships.
	The live show does because once we wrap the live show, we say, hey, the show continues at TimCast.com.
	Become a member to watch the members only uncensored.
	With that, we are maintaining a slight growth.
	We have a slight uptick, a little bit, in how many members we have, but we don't grow a whole lot.
	It's very slow and steady.
	And this means, based on the model we have, the show can continue.
	If we were to stop doing live on YouTube the way we are, divide it up to other platforms, we run the risk of deranking, we run the risk of losing a large portion of what funds the show, driving new members, and then we become a sinking ship.
	We would have to start firing staff, cutting corners, reducing investment in projects.
	Possible.
	We could do that.
	I'd prefer not to.
	So the conversations we've had with other big networks has been, can you cover the costs of how much we make through YouTube in ad revenue, so that if we make this move, and we lose money, we stay afloat for at least a certain amount of time?
	And typically the answers have been, I don't know, maybe.
	I don't know if we want to do that.
	And I say, okay, well then we're gonna keep doing what we're doing on YouTube because the live show generates the memberships that make the show work.
	It's that simple.
	I'll let you guys in on another... I don't know if it's a secret or whatever.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Inside baseball.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Inside baseball.
		I'm a big fan of rumble.
		Uh, I'm friends with Chris Pavlovsky, he's a great dude.
		We use Rumble infrastructure for TimCast.com.
		We use Parallel Economy for our memberships.
		We are absolutely utilizing their infrastructure, and they make money from it, we make money from it, because we want to build the Parallel Economy.
		But there is a reality.
		When Rumble launched, and we split our clips from YouTube to Rumble, we lost probably 40% of the revenue we got from YouTube.
		Because as much as Rumble is great and we want Rumble to exist and we want to be on Rumble, we don't make ad revenue off those videos.
		So when a video normally got $80,000 to $100,000 on YouTube, we would make a couple hundred bucks.
		Now the video on YouTube gets $50,000, $60,000, and on Rumble gets $30,000.
		That means we lost all of that ad revenue.
		So we have to maintain memberships.
		We can't just shut down and switch to Rumble because then we'd have to start laying people off and shrinking the ship.
		Don't want to do that.
		We are currently having conversations with some other companies.
		Now that YouTube has made these moves, there is renewed interest in how we can make these changes.
		I don't want to say too much because business negotiations are ongoing, but there are some potentially big moves that may happen based on this.
		I think what we're seeing with YouTube is a few things.
		Just yesterday, many people noticed the view count on the show was going all wild and crazy, but that wasn't unique to us.
		It affected tons of other YouTubers and channels that were noticing weird issues pertaining to live and view count.
		And the day before, something similar happened.
		View counts crashed on a bunch of videos and people were like, whoa, my video didn't get any traffic.
		It was not unique to any one channel.
		Something must have happened at YouTube with a policy change.
		Now there's retroactive enforcement.
		I don't think it's a coincidence that around the same time, two episodes are nuked instantly.
		Maybe some new guy came in.
		Maybe they hired a new person.
		Who knows?
		Have no idea.
		I told Google, I cannot run a business if this is how you treat your business partners.
		This is an F you to me and a threat.
		They issued a warning on our channel requiring us to take a class to better understand how we broke the rules.
		But we didn't break any rules.
		Not a single rule was broken.
		They lied.
		They're liars.
		And so, I said, if you email me and say, due to this, that, or otherwise, we're going to remove these videos from your channel, don't worry, no effect to you.
		I would grumble and complain.
		But when you issue a warning on my channel, you are saying we are prepared to ban you permanently.
		We are prepared to take you down for a week the next time this happens.
		With any one of your videos from the past four years, it could happen.
		We are prepared to permanently ban you if we can find three more videos over the past four years that we can interpret as breaking the rules, your show is permanently banned in every respect off of YouTube.
		So I said, what should I do then?
		The only thing I can do is delete every single video.
		I don't think it's a coincidence that it's 2024, we knew things were going to get crazy this year, and now YouTube has taken such an extreme and drastic action such as a 3 year retroactive enforcement.
		There's a couple things we can do.
		We'll have more information on Monday.
		We have big plans.
		We're moving into our new studio on Saturday is the big opening party and skate jam and contest.
		Friends and crew and friends of the show are going to be there.
		We're going to be eating catering courtesy of Dutch's Daughter.
		We're huge fans.
		They're a great restaurant in Frederick, Maryland.
		They make some of the best food.
		And that will be the opening party.
		That means Monday the show will be live from the new studio.
		And I'm just so excited because the cameras look so good.
		There's no more color issues and everyone looks a lot sexier.
		So it's going to be great.
		Everyone will look very thin with these cinematic beautiful cameras.
		We're also going to be planning a change to how we broadcast the show but Considering what just happened, there are some business happenings behind the scenes.
		I'd have no problem telling everybody literally what those plans are and what we're negotiating on, but because it involves third parties who are negotiating as well, it's a violation of their privacy.
	I won't do that.
	There may be some great news on Monday, though, and it could benefit this show in many ways.
	And then I think following this, what we're going to do is Ramp up marketing in ways we've never done before.
	So, with YouTube taking this attack against us, we have a couple, we have a couple, uh, there's a couple things we can do.
	Here's a secret!
	It's not really a secret, I've mentioned this before.
	What I pay myself in terms of a salary comes from the Tim Pool Daily Show, which is youtube.com slash timcastnews.
	That show alone generates me personally, produced by me, 99%, I say 99 because sometimes someone who works here might send me something and there's moderate assistance, but I wake up, I sit down, I reach the news, I monologue, I make a million dollars a year.
	It is just above a million bucks off of that morning show alone.
	If I did not do TimCast IRL, I would work a regular shift, have the rest of the day for family and travel.
	I could do the show literally anywhere in the world with my girlfriend.
	I could live in the mountains and we could ski all year round and do whatever and not have to worry about it.
	Timcast IRL does generate profit, and it does generate hard assets, and these things do benefit my net worth.
	I don't want to pretend that's not the case.
	I don't pay myself a salary based off what is coming from Timcast IRL, however.
	The overwhelming majority of the money basically covers the cost of everyone's salaries, travel, equipment, all of these things.
	Again, I stress, the equipment and all that does add to my net worth.
	I'm not going to lie about that.
	But I'm not doing this, and I'm not making money from this.
	This is just something that is fun to do, that is important, I enjoy doing, I enjoy bringing people here, I think it's beneficial across the board, and then the small amount of excess revenue that we get basically invests in these other projects.
	So we've got, uh, Pop Culture Crisis, of course.
	We've got, uh, Shane Cashman's Inverted World Show that we're building.
	We've got the Boonies Skate Show that we're building.
	That, uh, and I will stress, the, uh, the Boonies stuff is very, very expensive, but most of the cost is the building of a new studio for the sake of TimCast IRL.
	So, what we need to do is There's two options.
	I just say, wow, they got us.
	We've lost.
	Why am I even dealing with these headaches?
	We're getting sued.
	All of this nightmarish stuff for something that doesn't personally make me money that I can go spend on vacation at casinos and things like that.
	Again, I'll stress, like, there's profit and there's, there's a net worth gain, but it's, it's like the exponential workload compared to how much you make.
	It's just, I could work in the mornings and Tim pool show and make a million bucks a year and then sell sponsorships and even make more and not have to think about it.
	Or, here's what else we can do.
	We can work a deal with a... I don't want to say too much because it's going to be up to them when we do finalize the deal, but third parties.
	And then attack this thing through massive marketing campaigns and basically make it a point that YouTube is not safe for your business.
	If you try to start on YouTube, they will, with no warning, and with no reason, and everyone already knew this, but let's stress this, they will destroy your company overnight.
	We have to build a parallel economy, and so that's the attack factor we're going to take.
	As of next week, hopefully we'll have more information on this, as to what we're doing in terms of parallel economics, and how we're going to support, fund the show, and grow the show, in defiance of YouTube's ridiculous and insane retroactive enforcement, and hopefully, We will plant the seeds.
	Nay, I should say, we will water the trees that have already been planted by other great people working hard on this, namely those at these other social media networks.
	Shout out to Rumble, of course.
	To Bill Ottman.
	Mines.
	Shout out to Elon Musk.
	And we will water those trees that have already been planted, and then we will supplant and displace the corrupt and crooked establishment that breaks the rules for their own personal benefit and politics.
unidentified		So.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the gist of my rant.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It would be great to federate the Minds, Rumble, and X. I would love to see these platforms interlocking.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That would be so hot.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea what that means.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It means like if you're on Minds logged in, you can follow your Twitter follower, your X followers, or respond to your Rumble comments.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I imagine that doesn't really help the owners of the platforms though.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You'd be surprised.
		It seems like you're actually going to lose because you're giving other people more, but a rising tide raises all ships.
		You really end up, it can end up becoming a really, really good, it's kind of like a federation of states.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know anything about the financials of that, but I know that $44 billion for X is a lot of money, and so he's going to have to be able to make some kind of profit off of it, at least for X. I don't know about what kind of financial situation Minds at Rumble is in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was slightly on a tangent.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you have another follow-up?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, go ahead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I got into internet video in 2006 because it's immensely powerful.
		I mean, you can change the world with an internet video.
		And it was on YouTube.
		At first, it was on MySpace, but MySpace was a little clanky and I would have to embed my YouTube videos on my MySpace blog and then email them to my friends so that they could hear my thoughts.
		And then MySpace just What happened was one month it got so popular that it was before virtual servers.
		Their traffic ground to a halt.
		You couldn't use the website for like a month and everyone jumped ship over to Facebook.
		But anyway, the point was, it was always about the internet video.
		It was never about YouTube.
		People would be like, they'd have their YouTube shirts and they'd be so proud.
		We do these YouTube live events and I love that stuff.
		But it was about the internet video, the power of internet video.
		That's always what it's been about.
		It doesn't matter what network you're on.
		And I feel betrayed.
		It's a slight feeling of betrayal to have my stuff taken down by my provider, by my platform.
		And it's not my plan, I understand it's not mine, and there are contracts involved, but it's like, you're supposed to have our back, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We all saw the video that got released by, um, it was Breitbart and, uh, who else was it?
		Oh, I can't remember.
		Some tech company, media website.
		Google staffers crying when Trump won.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the ideological capture that, you know, you see in colleges when it comes to like sociology departments and stuff like that and the humanities departments, that has been going on for a decade.
		That's been going on for a decade and that means they've been pumping people that believe the ideology that they're taught in school.
		Those people have been pumped out into society.
		So the reason that people that are at Google and in positions of at least some kind of authority and power, that it's because they got the ideology in college.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have a story here.
		I want to preface it by saying, if you're wondering why it is that three years after we aired them, our two biggest shows on YouTube... Granted, Darren Beattie was our biggest show ever.
		It's got like 7 or 8 million views.
		Yeah, I believe he's a former speechwriter for Trump.
		People really, really wanted to watch that show.
		They loved it, and it's on Rumble.
		But our two biggest on YouTube were Alex Jones and Joe Rogan.
		If you're wondering why they got deleted, you need only look at this news story from the National Review.
		Police arrest Google employees who staged anti-Israel office protests.
		Need I say more?
		Employees at Google staged a sit-in of their own company requiring the boss to call the police and have them physically removed and they were placed on leave and their access was severed.
		Now, with employees like that, I wonder how it's even possible a show like this exists.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's the whole of the tech industry or whatever, the tech companies and stuff.
		It is an ideology that is pervasive.
		Obviously, it's not everybody, but because of the way that that ideology, the people operate, if you speak out too strongly or if you don't keep your head down, they go to HR and accuse you of all kinds of things and then you're out.
		Everyone knows that that happens basically in modern corporate America today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have a video clip.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is Cassie Dillon, now Cassie Akiva, and you can see here Google Office.
unidentified		You guys are gonna leave? You guys refusing to leave?
		Yes.
		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there it is.
		I mean, that's it.
		Google employees being arrested in a Google office.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it for trespassing?
unidentified		Yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what she had.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's because they were protesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just think about how insane this is, okay?
		First, they weren't trespassing.
		They work at Google.
		They are in a Google office where they work.
		They go and sit in their boss's office and then say, we're now protesting.
		He says, you can get out of my office.
		Say no.
		He's like, I guess I have to call the police on you!
		Then they get arrested for trespassing where they work!
		I gotta say, man, I am impressed.
		I am absolutely impressed with the left because, well, the right has everything to lose.
		The fabric of their nation they love so dear?
		The flag.
		The lives and futures for their children, their sacred honor, blood and treasure.
		And many of them just say, I will not speak up, challenge the system, because I have to feed my family.
		But they have everything to lose.
		These leftists are willing to protest at their own companies and get arrested after their boss calls the cops on them.
		That's the extent of their zeal.
		How do you win when this is the case?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Look, there was that kid that burned himself alive.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		People are... I mean, you've got people that are so committed that they'll burn themselves alive, you know, over an ideology.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm convinced that it's music is the solution and it's almost silly.
		Like I used to think I had to go find the people and then help them and I'd go around and like, I got to get to that guy and I got to get to that guy.
		Then I realized if I just make the best sound, people come to me and it creates like this environment of like, That was the 60s, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the same thing that people have been saying since the 60s, and it didn't work then.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the South Park episode?
		Where the hippies are like, we gotta fight the establishment.
		Okay, what do we do?
		We gotta play harder, man!
		Just keep playing music, nothing's getting done.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if you do it right, I mean, look at the Beatles.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've been watching so much Beatles music, the way that they transform the world, the entire world.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They change music.
		I gotta translate Ianisms for the general audience, right?
		Because a lot of people are posting one saying Ian is wrong.
		No, no, no, no, Ian is not wrong.
		It's not the idea that music changes the world is that music builds influence.
		And once you're an influential person in entertainment and pop culture, you can change hearts and minds.
		That's why so many people are freaked out about Taylor Swift.
		She commands masses of fans because she's an entertainer with music.
		And then she writes a song called, what is it, You Need to Calm Down, which depicts conservatives as crack-toothed yokels and insults them for not supporting the LGBTQ ideology, and that's the power of music.
		So perhaps it does sound a little naive, but let's translate that.
		Creating entertainment that people want to follow and makes them feel good gives you a path towards influencing them in a variety of ways.
		From the indirect to the direct.
		You write a song, it's catchy, they like it, and you slip in their insults of the right and conservatives.
		Then, once you're the most famous musician in the world, you get on stage and say, everyone go vote Democrat.
		And Republicans fear that.
		So Ian, I believe is correct in Breaking down the idea, it's true.
		It's not just the song that does it, it's the industry that builds influence.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you meant?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Big time, yeah.
		And you don't even have to put the lyrics in the song.
		Often what'll happen is you'll make a song that someone puts on repeat and listens to 20 times in a night, and then they'll go to your website and find out who you are, and then they'll just adopt your politics.
		They're like 19-year-olds or 14-year-olds and stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, the Taylor Swift song, I think it's called You Need to Calm Down, is that it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Imagine the 14 and 15 year olds who are hanging out at a bagel shop, and that song is playing, and they're not really listening, and in the background she's like, don't step on my gown, you need to calm down.
		That is indoctrinating young people towards these ideas.
		It is the radio screaming in their ears everywhere they go, right is bad.
		And there's a comic about this actually.
		It's like someone pencil drew this comic, it's great, and some guy says, you're brainwashed, and the other person says, and then it shows a music festival where the singer's like, Republicans are bad!
		A guy on the TV saying, Republicans are bad!
		A guy outside yelling, Republicans are bad!
		Protesters, Republicans are bad!
		And then the person's being like, you're brainwashed actually.
		That that is entertainment and and and influence.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean that there is there is truth to that.
		So like if you're going to talk about being able to influence the culture, but I mean that's the that's the point of really like the overall point of just Tim cast like as a as an entity, right?
		Like it's the the IRL.
		Actually moves the needle, you know, I mean a friend of mine was talking today about this the situation with YouTube and stuff I think that we should reach out to some of the people in Congress we know and see if Congress will send someone one of the whether it be gates or whether it be Someone just to send a letter to Google and be like hey Did you guys take this down because of you know, why did you take this stuff down?
		Why are you censoring people?
		I mean, I know that they have I agree.
		you know, terms of service and stuff. But if they don't have a legitimate answer, I mean,
		it's something that the, that it does affect the interest of the American people. So it's,
		it's something that they might do. I mean, I think that there might be in the term. I haven't read
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		the Google terms in a long time, if ever, actually in totality, but it might say can ban anyone at
unidentified		It does.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They put those silly, and that could be unconstitutional, you could argue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Those often can be unenforceable.
		It just really depends.
		You know, I've talked to lawyers about various platforms, and they go, well, they put those in there, but look, it really comes down to a judge, and the judge contracts don't mean much of anything.
		They mean a lot.
		They mean, don't get me wrong, but people, I think it's because of movies, to be honest.
		Uh, there's a show on Netflix.
		I don't know if you guys saw.
		It's a, what is it, a Black Mirror episode, I think?
		Where the woman's life is being broadcast on Netflix.
		Okay, it's a Netflix show about a woman who turns on Netflix and there's a show about her life.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's not the Truman Show kind of thing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But like, they said, we use an AI that calculates your life and predicts it perfectly, and so she's watching all of her private moments broadcast in the show, and everyone's like, it's you.
		She goes to her lawyer and says, how do I stop them from doing this?
		And they're like, this contract here is ironclad.
		You agree to the terms of service.
		Sorry!
		Yeah, that's not how it works.
		That's not how it works.
		If you go to someone and say, hey, let's do a deal.
		Phil, I'll buy that drink off you right there.
		What is that, a Spindrift?
		I will give you 20 bucks for it.
		Sound good?
		Alright, let me just draft this contract up that says we're gonna do just that.
		Just sign the contract.
		Phil says, sure, I trust you, I'll sign the contract.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ha ha!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the contract it says I get all the rights to his music!
		I own all of his music catalog!
		He signed it!
		A judge is gonna laugh.
		He's gonna say, shut up!
		You did a deal for a soda, not a music catalog.
		Throw it in the garbage, get out of my courtroom, don't waste my time.
		Just because you signed it doesn't mean anything.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, when it comes to the rules, What really matters is the expectation of both parties, consideration provided.
		That is, what did you exchange and for what?
		And I believe Google is absolutely in violation across the board.
		It's just who wants to sue Google?
		Who wants to go up against a trillion dollar company or whatever it's worth?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Alphabet.
		It's even bigger.
		They've got like they own I don't know how many Alphabet 9 companies they own under their umbrella and it's like big military tech, like really wild life extension.
		They're just all over the globe right now.
		Alphabet, a huge, huge company.
		When I started YouTube, it was YouTube.
		Google didn't own them.
		It was just YouTube.
		Steve Chen started the company and it was like broadcast yourself.
		We're having fun!
		Look at my dog!
		Look at these sloths!
		And then Google bought it, and I was like, oh god, corporatization.
		And now Alphabet, and now the governments involved, we know, through like Edward Snowden's PRISM stuff, we know that the governments, and with the Twitter files and all that, we know that governments have been heavily involved, the American government, with censorship on social media.
		So it feels just like part of the war machine at this point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will add, A possibility as to what happened.
		For the first time ever, I recorded a quick 30-second bit.
		I opened up TimCast IRL.
		I clicked popular, showing our most popular episodes.
		And then I said, if you're looking for a show on culture, news, and politics, check out TimCast IRL, Monday to Friday, 8pm.
		Click the subscribe button.
		Come hang out.
		We've had great guests from, you know, Kanye to Joe Rogan.
		And tried to keep it light.
		They denied it as an auction ad.
		I appealed.
		They denied it.
		I recorded a new ad.
		They denied it.
		They said it was an election ad.
		They said I had to fill out some form and get a certificate as an election advertiser.
unidentified		And I'm like, but I'm not promoting any politicians!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I contact Google.
		Their staff say, you know what?
		You're right.
		This is not an election ad.
		We don't know what's going on.
		We'll get back to you.
		Three or so days ago, or I think it was three days ago, Monday, they get back to me and say, your ad is approved.
		Thank you.
		Those two episodes it took down were featured in that advertisement.
		So I wonder if a component of this is someone working Google Ads sees an advertisement for their biggest live show on average, averaging the largest live audience on YouTube, and the two biggest episodes are Relics Jones.
		I wonder if a higher-up saw that and said, delete those episodes now.
		I don't care how, make up a reason.
		Now they've got an advertisement on Google that's I'm like, do I just blast a ridiculous amount of money at this ad?
		Should I make an ad on Google right now?
		You know, maybe I'll do that.
		It'll be funny because like, will they deny the advertisement?
		I make an ad where I say, YouTube wrongly deleted our two biggest episodes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They'll probably deny it because it's too, what are you, meta?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it doesn't violate any of the rules to do that.
unidentified		Hmm.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, here's YouTube.
		Yeah, these are the two biggest shows for three years and after I made an ad they deleted them clearly They're scared that you they're scared of you finding out that they had these shows I That hanging out with Alex and Joe Rogan and everybody in the RV That was like one of the more fun nights of my life so far That was a really I mean it was just an exhilarating evening to hang with those dudes and watch everyone talk What's crazy is that show to come back on it wasn't our most concurrent viewership And, but it was our most viewership after the fact.
		I think it had like 2.4 million views.
		On YouTube, on YouTube.
		The Darren Beattie one, you can look it up.
		I think it's like, what, 7 million total or something like that.
		It's like 6 point something on Rumble.
		It was several hundred thousand on YouTube.
		It was a couple hundred thousand on other platforms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, yes, on Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
		It's on Rumble.
		The whole channel's on Rumble right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So make sure you subscribe to our Rumble channel, TimCastIRL, as well as our, uh, x, uh, YouTube do- I'm sorry, uh, x.com slash TimCast?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's an x.com- x.com slash TimCast?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's still twitter.com, though, I think.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe it'll work for either Twitter.com.
		I think at this point anyone it's tough to say I would encourage people to multi stream just to do it and build followings on all but I bless you Tim.
		I understand the thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, sir.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My pleasure that to focus it all into one platform to generate massive ad revenue on that one platform does make a lot of sense.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Face value, but man just having your tentacles all over the place if you're starting out we it's if you're starting out It's it's there's a temptation to like build a platform build a following on a platform And then that's where you feel like you're at home, and you want to stay there But it is good to spread out But you a lot of times you'll need that that home base kind of platform to start you off so that way you can actually like continue to actually have a You know produce a show or whatever you know for a lot of smaller producers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean I And YouTube's been so good with ad revenue.
		The whole partner program thing, 2008, when they introduced it, that was one of the great things about Google buying YouTube is that they introduced that money, big money, and they could pay people.
		And that was like, what the fuck?
		I'm just doing this for fun.
		I'm doing this to help people.
		I didn't expect, I'm a waiter.
		That was my life at the time.
		I didn't, I just wanted to help people.
		And then they were like, we're going to give you money.
		And then, man, I got nervous about that.
		Actually, they didn't bring me on the partner programs.
		I was too racy.
		I was getting high and talking about saying fuck shit and talking about politics and all the racy stuff.
		Yeah, welcome back guys.
		It's real life.
		We're all in this together.
		And it was a shocking twist to watch people start to get paid and go.
		Then we made Maker Studios.
		I got in with Ben and Danny and we conceptualized Maker Studios
		and we built out this multi-channel marketing concept and then all the YouTubers came.
		Phil DeFranco was there, Dave Days, Casam G, Lisa Nova.
		It was awesome.
		We were all in Venice making stuff.
		It was just such a good time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they sold it to Disney.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They sold it to Disney for a billion.
		But I was so high, I was just like, I don't give a fuck about the money, man.
		I was just so like...
		Dark at that time in my life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you, I worked for Fusion, which was owned by Univision and ABC News, so Disney.
		And one of the funniest things in the world was when I was talking about some collaborations that would be great to do, they mentioned, hey, aren't those people signed to Maker Studios?
		And I was like, yeah, I think so.
		And they were like, awesome, we'll do it.
		And I was like, cool, all right.
		Well, let me reach out to these guys and see what we can, Do you know what Disney bought?
		And they went, what do you mean?
		They're with Maker, right?
		I'm like, yeah.
		So let me reach out to them and see if they're interested in what they need to do it.
		And they're like, no, no, no, they're already signed to Maker.
		Disney owns it.
		And I was like, and?
		And they were like, so we'll just do it.
		And I was like, do you know what Disney bought?
		So there were high ups at this company that thought they bought a talent roster,
		which gave them signed talent under obligations, like a talent agency.
		And they did not realize all it did was a rev split.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yep, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it didn't do anything.
		So I was like, I ended up having this conversation where I'm like, do you think that these people are signed to a talent agency we own and that they have to go through us for gigs?
		And they were like, what is Maker?
		And I was like, it's a multi-channel, like, what is it called?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Multi-channel marketing network, MCM.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was like what it became called.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Multi-channel network.
		Multi-channel network.
		Yeah, I was like, all this means is that their YouTube channel is part of a multi-channel network to generate revenue for their channels.
		And they were like, so we can't work with them?
		And I'm like, we can work with them the same as we can work with literally any person at any company, but that means we have to negotiate a rate, figure out who their manager and agent is, and their agent could say no.
		And they were like, we don't own their agency?
		And I was like, no dude!
		They had no idea what they bought.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The whole point of Maker in the beginning when me and Danny and Ben were talking about
		it in a hotel room at YouTube Live in 2007 in San Francisco, I was like, we got to make
		a web actors guild.
		We'll call it WAG.
		I don't know.
		We had SAG, Screen Actors Guild for actors.
		And all these YouTubers were getting screwed because we weren't getting...
		It was just like, I could see the whole, the people taking advantage of it.
		I wanted to create some sort of union.
		And that's where the impetus came from to make Maker.
		And then, so everyone was just kind of poured it coming in.
		they were already wealthy, they were already making stuff, and we were just working together
		I used to say I don't care about the money and lately I've been thinking about this a lot.
		I care about it.
		I care about it.
		I understand the value and the usefulness of it but it's not my primary motive.
		Um, I'm fortunate that I've never been starving on the street.
		Pretty much.
		I've lived in a car for a little bit of time, but like, like when I say I don't care about, I got to find a better way to phrase that.
		It's not my priority.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, social capital nobody nobody will invest in a guy when he's like I care what the money they're gonna be like
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		exactly Cuz they want to make anyone to see some money
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But like social capital is real if you've got a hundred people that will work for you for free
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's is more valuable than a million bucks nowadays You're not gonna find a hundred people that are gonna work
		for you for free didn't that in the economy that we have right now
		See sincerely this is this is an actual This is an actual material thing that you're gonna actually
		have to confront if you actually want to do something like that and with people
		having such a hard time with making ends meet with the jobs that they have the the
		The value of the dollar going down so much as it has in in the past
		You know year or two like Getting people to work for free, you have to be able to support yourself as it is, and you've got people that can't get houses, can't start families, they can't do all kinds of things that they want to do.
		You hear people constantly talking about that, that they don't have the money for this, can't afford this, everything's gone up, the prices are so much, blah, blah, blah.
		Getting people to work for free is not going to happen.
		I would suggest another plan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What you can do is get a bunch of exercycles and wire them to large batteries and then offer people a free exercise program to get in shape.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what they're really doing is powering your house, saving your electric bill.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can also start a cryptocurrency.
		People did that.
		I don't know how legal that is anymore.
		You shouldn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to give a shout out to Nathan for you.
		You see that episode where he's like, I've created a moving company.
		And I've created a new workout program.
		And he got a guy who like never did this to go on TV and claim that moving is actually the most robust and all-around workout.
		And then he goes to him and he's like, okay, I'm a moving company.
		We'll move your house and all your furniture to your new location.
		It'll cost you X. He's like, okay.
		Then he goes to a bunch of people who want to lose weight.
		And he's like, it's a great workout program where you move furniture.
		And they're like, oh, wow.
		So he basically, he gets laborers for free to move someone's furniture for him.
		That show was great!
		Let's jump to the story.
		This is actually the big news, I gotta be honest.
		This is from Bloomberg.com, and I laughed a lot when I read the headline.
		Dubai grinds to standstill as cloud seeding worsens flooding.
		I would just like to stress, the headline is effectively, government weather manipulation backfires, worsening flooding.
		I don't wanna say it caused it, okay, maybe it did, but yo, look at this.
		Torrential rains across the UAE prompted flight cancellations, forced schools to shut, and brought traffic to a standstill.
		The heavy rains that caused widespread flooding across the desert nation came after cloud seeding.
		The UAE has been carrying out seeding operations since 2002 to address water security issues, even though the lack of drainage in many areas can trigger flooding.
		So I don't know if you guys saw these videos that were going viral.
		Yeah.
		Insane flooding.
		Apparently just a few days before, they do this thing where they spray potassium chloride into updrafts, which launches salts into cloud formations, which is then, it attracts water particles.
		It's a, you know, salt.
		It wants to absorb the water, it pulls the water in, creating a dense pocket of water that falls down as rain.
		I don't know if they accidentally let loose too much, but it sparked, look at this, it's a natural salt, this is potassium chloride, and it resulted in this mass flooding all over Dubai.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is kind of like a good thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Not the flood, but the warning itself is a good thing, like that we know that this can happen.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, this is a terrible thing.
		And the reason this is a terrible thing is because there are people talking about using methods to affect the amount of sunlight the planet gets
		in order to prevent the Earth from warming anymore.
		Now, first of all, the idea that the Earth warming is bad is controversial in and of itself.
		When human beings meddle with stuff like this, they do not have the ability to predict the outcome,
		which is why you have floods in Dubai, right?
		So this is similar to what happened with Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union.
		was a scientist and he rejected darwinism and this was soviet science soviets rejected darwinism and their belief was that plants that are like each other work communally this was an argument made because they they were against western science totally and they said you should plants you should plant plants that are like You know, of the same variety.
		You can plant them very close together because they will work as a one unit and they will be more prosperous.
		That is absolutely wrong and it caused a famine that killed millions and millions of people.
		This is what happens when the, when man thinks that he needs to affect nature on that grand
		a scale.
		A similar thing happened in China when you talk about the, or when you hear about the
		sparrows, there was an argument that that Mao was making that sparrows were foreign.
		They were not Chinese.
		They were not native to China.
		So because they were not Chinese.
		They were not communist So the communists should get rid of the of the non-communist sparrows I know it sounds crazy, but that's the argument that he made And so that's what they did every time the sparrows landed people would go and chase off the sparrows.
		They would kill them They would they would they would you know, just whatever just to get them into the air and get them to go away What ended up happening?
		Was the fact that there were no sparrows, or not enough sparrows, meant that the bugs ended up creating another, like, a massive swarm of bugs that ate the crops, and there was another famine.
		These types of grandiose plans to affect, like, the amount of sunlight that falls on Earth are doomed, and they doom millions and millions of human beings.
		Billions, possibly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're risky.
		Some of them are effective.
		Sometimes geoengineering is good.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Why would you want to make less sunlight?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Amazon River Basin, for instance.
		Apparently the Amazon rainforest was man-made.
		Apparently humans have worked on dirt.
		If you look up the dirt under the Amazon... I don't believe that one bit.
unidentified		Check this out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know, it's shockingly bizarre.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't believe that at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's this rich soil.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But Phil, did you know that Atlanteans were white?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I heard that clip on Joe Rogan.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Amazon soil, it's really dark, rich soil that's man-made.
		They find it in the basin of the Amazon.
		Have you guys studied this dark terra preta, is what it's called?
		And apparently it was created by humans.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have done no research on this.
		I have read absolutely nothing about it.
		And I'm going to sit here and smugly tell you he's wrong.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's a very dark, fertile, anthropogenic soil found in the Amazon basin.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything about this, but I don't believe I don't believe that the Amazon forest was created by humans.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, what happened was they made the dirt to fertilize the area while they were like that tens of thousands of years ago or whatever, could have been Atlantis, could have been an ancient civilization, and then after everything passed away, the Amazon just flourished because of this soil, this rich soil that they'd created.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, but I don't think creating soil is comparable to chemical geoengineering.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a bit different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so, Washington Post has a different take on it, and this is interesting.
		The headline is, This Technology Didn't Cause Dubai's Floods, Scientists Say Here's Why.
		No, no, wait, hold on there a minute.
		This technology?
		Why did an editor who picked this up say, don't put cloud seeding in the headline?
		Why not?
		Why could they not say cloud seeding?
		This is weird.
		This article may as well not exist.
		But that's what they're trying to say after nearly two years worth of rain flooded the Dubai region Tuesday.
		Attention quickly shifted to cloud seeding.
		Why did they put cloud seeding in the headline?
		It's almost like they don't want people to know they're doing this.
		I'm not saying that's the case.
		It's just a nondescript article nobody's going to read is weird.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, this stuff gives me the gives me the shivers because of things like, you know, like the... Remember pig iron?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pig iron?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's when they said, we need the metal for weapons, or what were they?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They told everybody to melt down all of their tools to make weapons, but it was garbage iron that broke.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the iron became very brittle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Chinese Communist Party.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I do.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I do remember that.
		I'm not familiar with the story, but I do remember that.
		But this is the thing that I'm concerned about is like this type of impulse by the powers that be or whatever, NGOs, big governments, whatever you want to call it, or whoever's involved in it, because I think that they're probably it's not just just governments.
		It's climate activists.
		And there are NGOs that are involved in stuff like the UN and stuff.
		The things that are going on in Europe about the farmers and the protests and trying to prevent the farmers from using certain kinds of fertilizer because of carbon and stuff like that, all of those things will have massive downstream effects on the rest of the world.
		And when you meddle with What actually are delicate systems, right?
		The system that provides food for the 8 billion people on earth is because of petrochemicals.
		It's because of oil.
		Without oil, if we just say leave it in the ground like the environmentalists say they want to, that means that billions of people die.
		Not millions, billions.
		And I think that there are people that are far too quick to think that humans have everything figured out, especially nowadays with the information and technological revolutions that we've had since just since the turn of this century, never mind last century.
		But this one, people frequently think, OK, we've solved these problems.
		We've got everything under control.
		AI is almost here.
		We're going to figure everything out.
		We can go ahead and just go ahead and do it and we'll figure it out and everything will be fine.
		But that is probably wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got a conspiracy for you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember global cooling?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in the 70s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they were telling people to drive as much as possible.
		Were they really?
		Yes.
		There were magazine articles about it.
		There's a viral video where it's a guy saying, we may face another ice age as the planet cools rapidly.
		Trends are showing the planet getting cold.
		Conspiracy theory.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The government fearing global cooling said the people aren't producing enough carbon.
		So we are going to have a new ice age and it will destroy our economy.
		It'll destroy this country.
		So they created a device that would heat the planet just a little bit to stave off global cooling.
		But oh no!
		They lost control and it overheated and started global warming and now they're like, oh quick, global warming's the problem now.
		That explains everything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Overcompensation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now we have global warming and they're desperately trying to stop everybody from carbon.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You made a great point before the show about that we're in an interglacial period still.
		We're still in an ice age.
		We're coming out of the last ice age.
		I think it's confusing because the comets seem to have hit 10,000, 12,000 years ago and melted a bunch of ice.
		So it looks like we're kind of out of it already.
		But the reality is we still have ice on earth because we're in an ice age.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		People don't realize that the term ice age means that there is constant ice on the polar caps.
		The Earth has gone in and out of ice ages.
		The fact that we have polar ice caps currently means that we are currently in an ice age.
		We're coming out of it, and that is natural.
		There will be a point in the future when there are no ice caps on Earth.
		Human beings will survive.
		We will be able to deal with this.
		And reptiles and all sorts of land-based animals have dealt with that kind of stuff for as long as there has been life on earth human beings being the the Conscious and creative and opposable thumb having Machines that we meet machines that we are we'll figure this out, too It's not the end of the world and it really does boil down to Governments are just trying to use the the climate as an excuse to control the populations populations Let me let me play this clip.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is from Damn, that's interesting on reddit and it's a clip from 1978 warning of an impending ice age check this one out At least eight times in the past million years, it has advanced and retreated with clockwork regularity.
unidentified		If we are unprepared for the next advance, the result could be hunger and death on a scale unprecedented in all of history.
		What scientists are telling us now is that the threat of an ice age is not as remote as they once thought.
		During the lifetime of our grandchildren, Arctic cold and perpetual snow could turn most of the inhabitable portions of our planet into a polar desert.
		Wow!
		In 1977, the worst winter in a century struck the United States.
		Arctic cold gripped the Midwest for weeks on end.
		Great blizzards paralyzed cities of the Northeast.
		One desperate night in Buffalo, eight people froze to death in marooned cars.
		Pat Bushnell was on the road that night.
		Traffic just absolutely stopped.
		I was afraid of being stuck in the car all night long, with the cold and the wind running out of gas.
		And then what?
		I think that if we had to go through a real bad winter, just like we just went through, I think we'd have to think about moving someplace else.
		Move where?
		The brutal buffalo winter might become common all over the United States.
		Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way.
		According to recent evidence, it could come sooner than anyone had expected.
		Ooh, scary music.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And this is in my lifetime.
unidentified		You know, like I was two, but still.
		Sea coasts long free of summer ice are now blocked year-round.
		According to some climatologists, within a lifetime, we might be living in the next ice age.
		Of the nine planets in our solar system, only Earth has conditions favorable to human life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, uh, imagine if in 1978 when they made this video, governments of the world decided to enact
		a global geoengineering project to prevent global cooling.
		Imagine the catastrophe.
		Now that they believe it's global warming and the sea levels will rise, imagine they were like, okay, we're going to, you know, enact all these policies, we're going to create these devices, these chemicals, that will make the planet warmer.
		Then 20 years later, they're like, uh-oh, the planet's actually warming, the exchange was wrong.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They might have done that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They might have literally done that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not saying they did, I'm saying... That's interesting.
		If it is true that climate change is happening and the planet's getting warmer, Imagine if in 1978, they actually tried to heat up the planet out of fear of an Ice Age.
		This is the problem with humans thinking they're smart enough to control everything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And also, I read about, we're in what's called the Quaternary Ice Age, which started around 2.6 million years ago.
		So this whole thing, they were already in an Ice Age, that entire show that they were just doing, when they were like, we may enter another Ice Age.
		You smart humans didn't know you were in an Ice Age when you were making that video?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The stupidity of intelligence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, when we were kids they thought dinosaurs were lizards.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now they're birds.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So maybe they're not even birds.
		Maybe they're mushrooms.
		Who knows?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Bro, I was just thinking, I had a vision a couple nights ago about something about, something about, you were sparking some memory about what I think, what we think something is that it's not.
		Anyway, it'll come back to me.
		No, I don't think dinosaurs are mushrooms.
		That's not why I said that.
		But they have feathers.
		Apparently they have feathers.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's freaking cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're birds.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why chickens look like little dinosaurs.
unidentified		That was one of my favorite moments on IRL.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You almost saw a memory like, my mind was, my neural pathways were reforming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And in that moment, Ian shattered through the veil and saw the truth of the universe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If I was on DMT.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dinosaurs were mushrooms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We would have known.
		I think that mushroom, you know my theory about mushrooms, about fungus.
		I think what happened was we got a planet, it's twisting open, you've got hydrogen, oxygen making all this water.
		Panspermia.
		You get all these spores just splash into Earth.
		So we've got these spores in our tide pools.
		The spores that start eating the vegetable matter become mushroom, become fungus.
		The spores that start eating other spores become animal.
		And that's where we came from.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, where did those come from?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Space.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but that's just pushing it back.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's a cop-out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I like the way you think, Phil.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, Phil, what happened was, there was a volcanic eruption, and in this charged particulate burst, it made contact with water, and then these chemical compounds began to merge, forming proteins that began to self-replicate.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the formation of amoebas are fascinating because it's like a single cell that joins with another single cell and they work together to get the food to come in between the two of them and then other cells will come up around and become kind of like they'll curl in so the food doesn't fall out and you see like six cells working together to capture food that they can all share and then it becomes an organism and you're like oh that's a thing now and we see a six-celled organism.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pretty cool, that's a pretty good theory.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And the way that fungus- evolutionary biologists would be able to tell you specifically where they think- how they think fungus evolved from, like, the tide pool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not- You know, the funny thing is, the next evolution, of course, are gonna be these gigantic, creepy robots.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's kinda awesome, though.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You got that video of the Boston Dynamic?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The new one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I kinda wanted to save that one for its own segment.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh man, creepy as hell.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You tweeted it out like... Hold on, before we move on to that, I want to at least make the point, they've been talking about global warming and stuff for a long, long time.
		The coastlines have not changed, right?
		There is significantly less ice on the North Pole than there was 20-30 years ago, but the coastlines have not changed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what about the Sphinx?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't that underwater?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It looks like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Apparently there was water involved in the erosion.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's lots of erosion on the sides.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it was heavy rainfall or if it was actually submerged.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And I think that it actually, it was like eroded and then they built up.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If, you know, you guys know what expanding earth theory is?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's a cool video we could pull up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		What if the earth is expanding?
		Because if it does, that means the water levels will go down.
unidentified		Oh.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that proves it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If it's, unless it's, that's actually, that's possible.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's making more water as it expands open, but I think you might be, you might have an interesting point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let's say you've got, so I don't, I don't know that I, this is true.
		I think this is just like fringe internet stuff.
		But the idea is that titanic plates aren't actually going under and over and overlapping and spinning around.
		It's that they're overlapping and unfolding.
		And so the earth is actually getting bigger.
		So imagine you've got, you know, a ball.
		and around it is an inch of water in every direction.
		If the ball gets bigger, the water will spread thinner and thinner to cover the mass.
		So if the earth was more compressed 4,000 years ago and has been expanding,
		the water would be going down because it would less and less water
		to cover the surface of the expanding ball.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Whatever keeps Barack Obama's house dry is the theory that we should go with.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's possible that there is more hydrogen coming out as it expands to make more water.
		So it might be, there might be a homeostasis with it.
		But the concern with the ice caps melting and the sea levels rising is that there's a word for it.
		The ice is pressing down on the poles.
		It's pressing down on Antarctica.
		So if that ice is abruptly removed and Antarctica lifts up because there's no more weight on top of it, Earth elsewhere will dip down.
		It will sink.
		So, like, that's, they think what happened to Atlantis is that because all those ice caps just abruptly changed, Atlantis sunk down as well as got hit by a flood.
		But if it's not abrupt, then I don't think, yeah, if it doesn't happen all abrupt, like just in a day or three days or something, then it might be a really slow, you might be able to, There's a funny viral video.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who was it on Joe Rogan?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it Graham Hancock?
unidentified		Today, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Or while the clip was circulating today, I believe it was Graham Hancock.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And who else was on that show?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Basically, the other guy was saying that these ideas are rooted in white supremacy.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they believe that Atlantis was a bunch of white people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I was like, well... That was a cool... Did you watch the whole show?
		I didn't get a chance to see it.
unidentified		No.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, I don't know about... I'm not a guy that studies the Atlantis stuff, but I don't imagine that Atlantis has, you know, had...
		I don't know.
		I don't imagine that Atlantis was actually real, to be honest with you.
		But that being said, whoever comes up with a story or whatever culture is creating the story, because I think that it is a myth, so whoever's writing the myth, they're going to make the inhabitants like them, especially a thousand years ago or whenever the story of Atlantis first started circulating or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People just imagine themselves.
		People project.
		It's ridiculous to call it racist or white supremacist because...
		Someone is sitting around a room full of white dudes and then is imagining another, like a person a hundred years ago and they imagine a white dude.
		It's like people, you know, there's, there's pictures of Jesus in different cultures and there's like, there's like Japanese Jesus, there's black Jesus, Arabic Jesus and all that stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think the, I think the- Swarthy Jesus.
		The Atlanteans had Neanderthals in prison.
		The last Neanderthals on earth were in prison in the Capitol and they all died in the flood.
		That's in my script that I'm writing anyway.
		That's in my, in my, it's awesome movie that is going to be produced.
		It's going to be the greatest movies of Atlantis ever made called The Lost City of Atlantis.
unidentified		I love it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Big budget. The guy that was debating Graham Hancock's name is Flint Dibble.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that's the guy that wrote an article and kind of in...
		I don't want to speak out of turn, but they're saying that he was...
		Drag that man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Drag that man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He took my quote out of context.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he made a thing, it was like, Graham Hancock stuff, he's citing sources that are racist, and then he was like
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		associating Graham with racist.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Drag that man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And Graham was like, you're making me look bad, you're associating me with things.
		Like, no, that's not what I meant to do. I'm out of context.
		It was a pretty cool episode.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's jump to this video we have from Boston Dynamics.
		Lex Fridman posted this.
		I'd like to play for you your dystopian apocalyptic nightmare clip starting now.
unidentified		Oh man, it's oh Oh wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You saw its legs turn around?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's so creepy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's standing backwards.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Its head and legs spin around.
unidentified		Wow, dude.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I get the point of that is to show the articulation, how it's capable of moving in a great in a way that is more as more mobile than a human being.
		But still, there's a whole lot of man.
		That's the exorcist kind of movement that you look at.
		You're just like, when is she going to go ahead and climb on the ceiling?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to contrast the two worldviews here.
		Lex Redmond says, Congrats to Boston Dynamics on their new electric version of Atlas Robot.
		Thanks to all the amazing engineering teams at Boston Dynamics, Tesla, and others pushing the field of robotics forward.
		I can't wait to hang out with Atlas and Optimus together at some point, Robot Party.
		To which I responded, I can't wait to fight these things as my friends scavenge a run-down gas station for food and I attempt to buy them time before we flee into the sewers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My thought when I saw that was, they will also be in the sewers and they can see in the dark.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, yes, they will be.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, night vision is a great technology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they can, like, crumple up.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they can turn into a little box.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You'll kick it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You'll be walking in the water and accidentally kick the thing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how much does that look like the stuff from my robot?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Imagine you're in the sewer with your buddies and you have, like, a backpack and you're, like, armed.
		You've got limited provisions and you're, like, we need to make it through because the robots find us, they'll kill us.
		And then you stub your toe and you look down and there's a box and you go, Oh my god, and then it starts curling, curling up and shifting around and his arms are folding, his head spins around and then it goes like, human detected.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		God, it looks like T-1000, yeah, it feels like the Terminator from T-1000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's an honest question though, like, why would anyone assume these things would not become dangerous?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you can create an intelligence, and if people that create the intelligence decide that they're gonna give it motivations, which is stuff that people that are working on AI are gonna do, because that is what is happening here.
		Like, we're watching, not only are we watching robotics come to a place where it can mimic human form, we're also trying to mimic human intelligence, and they're going to be combined, without question.
		In 50 years, there are going to be artificial intelligence, Humanoids walking around in society like that's going to be very normal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be well normally I'd say this you would think there would be some kind of flag.
		They would require like any artificial human humanoid robot is required to wear something or have a mark.
		So, you know, it's not a real person but based on how the internet evolved that won't happen.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are legislatively paralyzed.
		So, the internet, for example, on Axe, for instance, even with Elon Musk doing a great job, as he does, of getting rid of predators, you still have hardcore adult content on Axe, and 13-year-olds are allowed on there.
		That's insane!
		That should not be allowed.
		There should be age verification.
		They should block those hardcore channels so that you can't watch this stuff.
		That says to me, they are going to make AI humanoid robots.
		They've already got rudimentary ones that are clearly not people.
		You watch the videos and they're looking better and better, but they move stiff and they're like, hello, Phil, it's great to see you.
		And you're like, okay, the voice is getting better.
		We saw that one video where the robot stuttered.
		They add a fake AI stutter voice.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		To make it more human-seeming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so what's gonna happen is there will be no regulation.
		You'll be walking down the street one day and there'll just be some guy and he'll be like, how's it going?
		You'll be like, hey, what's up?
		You won't even realize it was a robot.
		Robot the whole time!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's gonna be data from Star Trek.
unidentified		No.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Next Generation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, sort of.
		But one of the first, the funny thing about data from Star Trek The Next Generation is He had no emotions, and he struggled to act human.
		He was trying to learn how to be human.
		The first thing they're doing is creating the personalities.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that they'll work out, these robots, just to seem more human?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because they don't need to work out, but do you think you'll see one running on a trail and be like, hello, sir?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't regenerate the way we do, so that would just limit their lifespans.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So you'll know if you see a guy running down a trail and he says, hey to you, that it's not a robot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's a spy robot intended to infiltrate, you know, these places.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're literally, like, just a skin suit away from the first gen Terminators that they talked about in the movie.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Then you could see them because their skin was latex.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think, uh, I don't think they're gonna build these things for any functional work purpose first.
		I think it'll be, uh, saxobots.
		Because, look, I can hire someone at minimum wage, or I can spend how much money on one of these robots to lift boxes?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wow, you got like a $30,000 robot that just cleaned your house, and you had sex with you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That would be crazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I didn't mean you, personally, but I'm just saying in general.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The rhetorical you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If someone could do it, they'd go get groceries.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe leaving the house is a little extreme for a robot at this point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is the issue, actually.
		Actually, fair point.
		I was wrong.
		How much do these robots cost?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure the cost, but I imagine that they're going to be looking to be, to... It's gotta be, what, millions?
		Maybe now, but I mean, the... I don't know, because the... I don't know what the technology's like, but really, it's like, you're talking about electric motors and servos, so I don't know how involved it is, and I'm speaking definitely as a very ignorant person about this, but the technology is really in the software, and it's not in the servos and etc.
		Like, the actual motors and stuff like that, it's not...
		Super crazy, far-out technology to do it.
		The important part is the balance and the software.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If it costs $30,000 for one of these robots, McDonald's replaces their staff in two seconds.
		Because they're going to say, over the course of three years, we are going to pay any minimum wage employee $40,000.
		These robots last five years and they cost $30,000 upfront.
		$30,000 up front.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Done.
		And they don't get burnt, and they don't come and call in sick,
		and they can't, and they're not gonna go to HR, and they're not gonna, I mean, just, you know,
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		it's like, they could double as security at your building.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, you don't wanna do that, because what do you, why would you steal any,
		why would you worry?
		Because you've got all robots inside, you order at a kiosk, the robots make it and hand it to you.
		What are you gonna, what's secure, what do you have to worry about security?
		Because everyone's paying with their credit card or whatever.
		There's no reason.
		Yeah, it's like, let someone come in and break something, whatever, you've got insurance.
		It takes all of the concerns of safety go away aside from safety for your customers.
		Obviously, you want to make sure that the people that are coming to get food from there are safe, but otherwise, internally, for your business and stuff, all of the worries about OSHA and stuff, like, get out of here, who cares, you know?
		There's a ton of stuff, there's a ton of things that make it more appealing.
		This is exactly what the automotive industries did.
		It's just that the automotive industry has big gigantic robots that have arms and stuff like that.
		If the automotive industry can have these and just give them existing power tools and they can do what your average person is doing on the line, You're talking about wiping out entire industries for jobs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you guys seen the, uh, they have, so there was an article in the New York Post about a guy who spends $10,000 a month on AI girlfriends.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		God.
		Yeah.
		Because, you know, there was that, there was that one company where people were using it for, you know, titillation.
		And so they banned it and they were like, stop.
		And then all of a sudden everyone revolted and said, but my waifu.
		So they said, okay, grandfathered in, but from now on, no more of this weird, creepy, you know, titillating content.
		So these other companies emerged and they were like, we'll let you do it.
		So a lot of people are wondering where these like AI porn images came from that popped up all over Twitter.
		There are services that allow you to generate your own girlfriend, like you can customize it and everything.
		And then you pay a subscription, they allow you to generate Overt adult content of AI women guys are paying for it.
		I was thinking the next era of Luddites It's not gonna be factory workers.
		It's not it's not gonna be trades.
		It's going to be sex workers There's gonna be a bunch of, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Musicians, too, maybe, because I was thinking in the shower earlier, like, geez, I, yeah, making music, it's like, it's not about the finished product.
		Making music is actually about making the music.
		It's about banging on a drum with your buddy and, like, making some sounds together.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
		When we played the A.I.
		songs when Harmeet was here, she was just dismissive, saying, oh, this is stupid, it's boring, it's bad.
		And I think the issue for a lot of people is they assume all music is Zeppelin or The Weeknd or Taylor Swift or something like well-crafted songs when I would probably estimate, I don't know, Phil probably knows better, but I'd say like 70% of music is background instrumental stuff for jingles, for movies, for, like, most people don't realize that when you're watching a movie, There's really subtle background music the whole time, almost the entire time in films.
		And there's a guy who writes all that music.
		So you go online, you can AI generate all of that now.
		That's going to eliminate a large portion of money in the music industry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm down to talk more about sex work, actually.
		Oh, before we go into sex work, the Boston Dynamic Robot, I got a price tag.
		The Spot Robot Dog is $74,500.
		What about the guy?
		I haven't seen one for the guy.
		And by the way, I'm on Brave.
		It's AI answering my search queries.
		It's got AI generating an answer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to know how much this robot guy costs.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is probably like prototypes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's probably like 20 or so of those that they've got made now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How amazing would it be to get one of those, get a realistic silicon Seamus mask, put it over its head, and then attach it to chat GPT real-time voice with Seamus's voice, and Seamus could never leave us.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He would leave, but we always have a- He'd be great!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You could have an AI that knows everything there is to know about potatoes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you'd ever buy one of those Boston Dynamic dogs?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can buy them now, can't you?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's $75,000.
		Just to have it patrol the studio or something?
		Freak people out?
		People would lose their shit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I mean, I gotta be honest, it's a really great thing to have because they walk into their own charger, I'm pretty sure, and they sit down.
		Is that what they do, right?
		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Once the battery gets low, they walk to their charger and then charge.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The new place, it might not be a bad idea to have one on patrol.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Teach it to scale.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, because think about this.
		The biggest issue we have is information when it comes to security.
		So with all the buildings we've got, the reason we have security is because if someone comes around who shouldn't be, we need to know what's happening.
		Then we call backup.
		Now, a human being can also be armed in West Virginia.
		So we've got a handful of those guys.
		Ain't nobody coming around.
		But 74,000 dollars for one robodog?
		Costs way more for security.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how secure... It's more of a scout, I think, at this point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so, you can reduce the amount of security guards you have, have a couple guys who are armed, and have a couple robodogs, you cut your costs down.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Just built-in night vision.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because the robodogs can do the patrolling.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All night long.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then alert the security team to any.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And also scare off wildlife and stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You can also have a thermal on a robot dog.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Thermal vision as opposed to night vision.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's actually better if you're looking to identify living things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What I was actually planning on doing was building fake auto-defense turrets for Freedomistan.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It'd be so cool!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you would just see these, like, two big things moving back and forth with lasers pointing, and, you know, they wouldn't actually have any capability to do anything other than look intimidating.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just follow someone if they get on motion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what it would actually be is, you know the sprinklers that go ch-ch-ch-ch?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We would just put a big cylinder on it so it would look like it's patrolling, but it's actually just a sprinkler.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then people would be like, I'm not going anywhere near that thing, I don't know what that is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'd be hilarious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's freaky.
		You know, I was talking about this earlier.
		In West Virginia, we've had weirdos come onto the property, assuming nobody's there.
		We had that incident that happened, I think it was last year, when some guys broke into one of the buildings and one of our security guys opened fire on them.
		them you should yeah yeah and so like you but this is the price of freedom
		yeah do you like look we we're out in the middle of nowhere and there's crime
		You go to New York, there's crime.
		In New York, you have no freedom and there's crime.
		In West Virginia, there's crime and you have freedom.
		So you can defend yourself.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You should get a gun safe for in the studio.
		And so I can bring a gun to leave there when I'm not there.
		It's safe, locked up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Constitutional carry state.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But anyway.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Robots.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Robot sex dogs.
unidentified		What?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Those words, I didn't mean to say them at the same time.
		But now I'm thinking about it.
		Clip it.
		Uh-oh.
		It brings a whole new meaning to the word doggy style, if you know what I'm talking about.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, down-vosh, down!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude!
		Wow, that's coming up on the horizon and I did not mean to manifest that.
		Oh God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we talked about this before.
		There's already a mod for, I think it's Skyrim, where you can talk to an AI companion and it uses GPT to answer your questions and talk to you.
		Now with these AI girlfriends, this is the first thing they're putting money in because they know guys will spend money on it.
		Look, you build a robot that can carry boxes, Amazon will go to their insurance company, they'll talk about liability, they'll talk about rates, They make the AI porn and the guys, they're buying it up.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I imagine like this, the, the robots like this, they're going to be, you know, they're going to be home appliances where, you know, you're going to have a robot around to do menial tasks.
		You've already got Alexa that goes and turns people's lights in mine, in my apartment at the down here, the apartment, the apartment I have Alexa and it's handy.
		When I go home, I don't, I don't have that stuff in my place in New Hampshire.
		So when I go home, I can't even wait.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The chat is putting 20s for what he had just said.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because you know I'm right.
		That's so funny.
		See, this is what the show would be every night if we didn't have to censor ourselves.
		Let's be free together.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We didn't have to censor that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You said it on the show.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dawg.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Now you're home.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		People are putting 20s in chat!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree, that was a 20 all the way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't talk to the YouTube chat very much, but... Are you talking about the IRL chat or the Discord chat, or are you talking about the... IRL.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were saying Ian King, ha ha ha, 2020.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I sexed good lord.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Robi- Don't encourage it, no more.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the chat, keep it coming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's important that we coin the term now, it already exists, but-
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Robots, sex dogs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Robosexuals.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Robosexuals.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, would it be- The guys who have AI girlfriends are robosexuals.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Would it be rape if you had sex with a robot, but it didn't tell you it was a robot?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Would the robot have raped you?
unidentified		Wait, what?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If the robot didn't disclose it was a robot before it had sex with you, would that be considered rape?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think inanimate objects have intent.
		It would be the owner of it, actually.
		Oh, that's weird.
		This is actually a question we haven't actually answered, and the Supreme Court's gonna have to take it up.
		You're in a self-driving car.
		Let's say we're at the point where we have those self-driving taxis, right?
		You're sitting in the back seat and you're on your phone, boop, boop, boop, and an old lady steps out from between two cars and she sees the car and she goes, wah!
		And then the self-driving taxi has to make a decision, hit the old lady, swerve out of the way, crash, killing the passenger.
		What does it do?
		Who does it prioritize?
		We don't know.
		A human would react instinctively and swerve, probably, and put their passengers at risk.
		We don't know.
		But a person has to program the vehicle to do it.
		So the next question is, if a self-driving taxi has nobody and it's driving around and it hits somebody, injuring them, who's at fault?
		The terrible thing is that there's no criminal charge at all because it's a corporation.
		It would be a fine and a lawsuit.
		But if a human being is driving that car, that human being is responsible.
		It's a scary prospect.
		So, if somebody makes a robot, like Boston Dynamics' Atlas robot, what happens if one of their robots goes rogue and starts raping people?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Boston Dynamics is on the hook for that. It's gotta be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are they though? Who owns the robot?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		First you gotta catch the robot and interrogate the thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Get its code and be like, why is it doing this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The self-driving taxis are sold to another company.
		Right? So the person driving... someone buys a Toyota and crashes it.
		Toyota's not at fault.
		You could sue Toyota, maybe, depending on what happened, but typically it's the driver of the car, and we say, you're driving a car, and you crash the car.
		Now there's no driver who's at fault.
		The company who made the self-driving car, or the company that bought the self-driving car and pressed go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right, because someone could buy the dynamic robot and change its code, potentially.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if that's actually feasible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or not even.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They buy it, and they say, I want this robot to provide companionship, but then it goes, Roger that, yeah!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Everybody knows that these things are going to be Wi-Fi, someone's going to hack it, and then you're just going to control it like it's a drone, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to have a built-in camera that's going to be transmitting your sex life to someone.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I kind of moved away from the sex part once I said you take over it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You just want to keep going back.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's probably the biggest driver of humanity is sex.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, it is, the porn, I think they say that porn is responsible for the success of the internet in a lot of ways.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, porn is responsible for the VHS over Betamax.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's also why the internet speeds ramped up is because there was massive demand for, the main video demand was, you know, graphic content.
		So that's what I'm saying, like, with these AI girlfriends, the chat communications and video development, it's like, the big, okay.
		You have chat GPT, like I signed up.
		How much does that cost?
		It's like cheap.
		And what do you do?
		You like ask it questions and it's like, eh, fine, whatever.
		But the AI girlfriends are a billion dollar industry.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Guys are dumping money on this stuff.
		The monetary drive for the advance of this technology is because...
		Simp guys want to bang robots.
		They're robo-sexuals.
		Look, I mean... I think it's important we say that, too.
		I think we call them robo-sexual.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine with that.
		There is going to be a demand for that, clearly, because you hear, you hear, you know, all the red pill dudes.
		Actually, it's probably less the red pill dudes, more the people that listen to the red pill dudes.
		But they're, they complain about the fact that women are, their standards are too high, etc, etc.
		And they're, Women complain about men and the sexes have never been more at each other's throats and there are dudes that are like, I'm checking out of society or checking out a dating market and stuff.
		There's a huge percentage of young guys that are, you know, 18, 19, 20 years old that have never had a girlfriend that have never been on a date.
		There's all kinds of women that are like, oh, I can't find a guy.
		People are going, when you can customize something like a robot or an AI to give you what you're looking for, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to gravitate to that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm wondering about women with their AI robot men.
		A woman wants to feel safe.
		If there's a robot, I will protect you.
		And he's got laser turrets on his arms.
		He's like, no one's going to mess with me and my kid.
		And he's also able to inseminate you and give you kids with your genetic desires or whatever the hell.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's going back to it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, would a woman take that as a robot husband?
		Like, better than any of those simp dudes.
		Like, this guy doesn't even work out.
		This robot can lift 7,000 pounds.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's got the horn tonight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the issue, right?
		Guys, not every guy, but a lot of guys like to be domineering.
		They like to dominate.
		I wonder if women do.
		I was reading this thing about the success of strip clubs.
		Why is it that strip clubs are almost always women?
		There are, you know, clubs where guys strip, but they're rare.
		And I think this might be like OkCupid data.
		They said men like watching women in submissive positions.
		Women don't like seeing men.
		To women, on average, submissive men are not attractive.
		They want strong, commanding men.
		So to see a guy on stage serving you is a weak position.
		It's more of a funny thing to watch and less of a, you know, like attractive.
		Whereas for guys, they just see the woman's body and they're like, yeah, dance, right?
		So I wonder how that will translate to robots.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You said on stage, like, women don't want to see a guy as a servant.
		So you're thinking, they don't want a servant robot.
		They want a robot that's going to take charge and be like, we're going to the park today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Guys, maybe, I don't know.
		Guys are going to buy these.
		So look, with these websites, I think it's called, what was it called?
		I can't remember what the name of the website was.
		New York Post had the story.
		But, uh, it's like you could, you, you pick the kind of girl you want, like the kind of hair, the size of the, the funny thing is like all of the AI girls that have been generated have massive knockers.
		And it's just like, just like ridiculously obscene, not real.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't, I don't think we got that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So like on the, on the New York post, they showed a bunch of pictures of, of demo women and their boobs are just like, like those women would be in serious pain.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They would need surgery.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're back breakers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then, like, I pulled up the website for the show.
		Here's the creepiest thing of it.
		When you click create, it gives you two options.
		Real or anime.
		I don't get that.
		That's the weirdest thing to me.
		Like, what?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wow, I don't get it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dudes want anime waifus, and I'm like, why not?
		I guess this is the depopulation of humanity.
		Why is it anime? That's just so weird. That's it. It's that's something about weebs. I guess what's a weed like an egg an
		anime dork?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dudes that like I'm like, dude, I like anime, but I don't get I guess this is the depopulation of humanity
		Like it's it's a self-selecting system where people are choosing to have
		virtual relationships and then just Until they're dead and because it's easy and then it's it
		also works for if there really is an agenda a global general
		There are too many people you guys we can't keep exponentially growing at this rate with this technology
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jeez, man And so just kind of you look you look at this stuff these AI girlfriend stuff and it's like They will say whatever you want them to say you program their personalities what they look like they can generate graphic images and then Imagine a guy grows up on that stuff, and then he meets a woman in real life, and she's like, hey, I'm not into that, like, we have to have boundaries.
		Whoa, boundaries?
		Robo-girlfriend has no boundaries.
		She does whatever I tell her to do.
		There's just, like, it's gonna shatter brains.
		It's gonna break people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The changes that have happened in the past 25 years, I mean, obviously, I mean, even even Ted Kaczynski's, you know, the manifesto, he acknowledged all of the changes that had happened just in the previous 100 years since the 150 years since the Industrial Revolution.
		Humanity has had all of the things that have had social pressures and evolutionary pressures, all of that stuff has been removed because we have machines to do our work, we have machines to protect us, we have machines and technology to inform us and stuff, all of the things, all of the connection to actual nature and stuff, all that stuff's been removed and now with Machines becoming so, like, I mean, if you thought machines were, you know, common when you had toasters and cars and forklifts, like, when people are going to have, you know, when people have Neuralink and personal robots, nowadays personal robots, like, you have a robot that, you know, sweeps your house!
		Or some people do.
		You can buy, you know, some robots like this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We used to have the Roombas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they suck.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, they're small in their opinion, but they're not as good as the big ones.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But that guy's gonna be able to grab the Dyson that you bought and do the Dyson for you, and that Dyson works like mad, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he can probably fold up into a little cube and then sit himself in the corner.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So he'll sit right next to the Dyson, he'll get up, pick up the Dyson, actually do a good job cleaning.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That sounds terrible.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or they'll make these, have you seen these amorphous robots?
		They're like, they can change form, they can go through tubes and stuff, they're like, look like a goo, kind of.
		Yeah, robots are- That could clean your floor real easy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, maybe, but robots aren't going to be like robot isn't going to be one kind.
		It's not going to be just the humanoid thing.
		I mean, nowadays, everyone think nowadays you can actually think of, you know, Tim's car is a robot because it's got, you know, it's a Tesla that can do all kinds of stuff that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Other cars can't do that.
		I require this of Elon to add a voice assistant for Teslas.
		Oh, awesome.
		How am I not at the point where there is not like a red bar that, you know, moves up and down and says, Hello, Tim, where would you like to go today?
		And I'd be like, we're going to the casino.
		Hollywood it is.
		And then it just goes, start driving.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good idea.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Also, Elon, make the headlights also double as projector screens so you can project a movie onto, like, the back of your garage while you're chilling and watch.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Also, Elon, make me a sandwich.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Elon, get over here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's go time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		After you colonize Mars, we require more of you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's doing more than most people to... We'll build an electrostatic slingshot to get things into Martian orbit.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He actually is making more Elons.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So he's got, like, seven kids or something like that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What were you gonna say?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Talk about Andrew Tate?
unidentified		No, I was gonna talk about space sling shots.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather talk about space sling shots.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen those things where it's like a big, it's a big disc and there's like a hammer in it that spins around really fast and then shoots the thing straight in the sky?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, spin launch.
		Yeah, that's the company.
		And that's Earth to orbit.
		But what you can then when once it's you got something in orbit, you can send it through like a mag rail that just fires it off into another orbit that catches it in like a reverse mag love magnet.
		And so you can really like shoot packages.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have they done that yet already?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a big thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It spins really, really fast.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, spin launch.
		Yeah, it's up and active.
		You can't really send organic like humans up because of the pressure will kill them.
		But you can send.
		I wonder how this is doing.
		Yeah, man, spinning and throwing that...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're gonna go to Super Chats!
		So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, because it doesn't look like YouTube likes us very much, and it'll be interesting to see what happens moving forward.
		But of course, the premise of this episode is three years after our biggest episodes aired, they made up reasons to take them down.
		And they won't give us assurances, they put a warning on the channel, And I'll stress this again, because I told them, I was like, look, you got a problem with the episodes, three years later, tell me you're taking them down.
		Fine.
		Instead, you issued a warning on the channel, which is effectively a strike.
		So it's a four-strike system.
		Here's how it works.
		The first violation, we warn you.
		The second violation, you get a seven-day suspension from broadcast.
		The third strike, the official second strike after the warning, I believe it's two weeks, and the third is a permanent ban.
		Permanent ban.
		So, if they were like, look it's been three years, I know this has been sitting on the channel for a long time, we're just gonna take them off the channel, I would have been offended and angry and I would have said whatever.
		There's no threat to us being banned when they say something like that.
		But to come to me and say, not only that, not only will we retroactively ban your show, We'll delete you permanently if we find any anything in any clip you've ever done over the past four years and your thousand plus episodes.
		So I'm like I gotta so I have to delete every episode.
		We would have to literally just go in and purge the entire channel because we have no idea when they will decide to retroactively ban us.
		And there you go.
		Anyway, we've got plans, we've got plans.
		I can't say too much.
		A lot of people are like, why are you still on YouTube, blah blah blah.
		We do post all our clips on Rumble.
		There is projects, stuff behind the scenes going on, that were not for third parties' involvement in their interests, I would gladly tell you.
		But again, I'll respect other people's privacies in that regard.
		We'll read your Super Chats.
		Become a member at TimCast.com.
		We'll have the uncensored show coming up.
		It'll be fun.
unidentified		Alright. 1596.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		159648 Sentile says, Time for a Timcast brought to you by Rumble.
		Love you guys.
		Hate Google and YouTube.
		Well, there was a lot going on behind the scenes.
		I have spoken with top men.
		We'll see.
		Ted Diorio says, Not today, Clint!
		Marodney says, Did I really beat Clint?
		You both did.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Clint.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Colby Hanson says, For Phil, Donut Operator has new t-shirts that says, The left lane is for crime.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Donut's a smart man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is this?
		Shadow's Hand says, Warhammer 40k is now woke.
		They took male factions that were that way for over 30 years and added women for no reason, and then gaslighted the fans into saying they were always there.
		Get woke.
		Really?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Carl did a video on Sargon of Akkad.
		Actually, under the Sargon of Akkad page on YouTube, he did a video on 40k.
		It is a shame.
		40k seemed like one of the only properties that was doing really good at keeping woke out.
		And the reason is because it literally is about space fascists.
		It's about everybody's evil in the whole 40k world.
		Have you played it before?
		No, no.
		I'm just familiar.
		I'm not well versed, but I'm familiar with the lore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kinsei Sensei says if they shut you down, I'm canceling my premium membership and moving to Rumble permanently.
		The issue is, you know, one of the things I said to Google was, maybe we just shut it down, move to a different platform, but maybe that's exactly what you want.
		Like, if they took down our two biggest shows ever, which they said were fine for three years, it seems to me like I know the subject of this, I've had some conversations.
		The idea is they can't ban TimCast IRL instantly.
		They need to do things so that when it does get banned, they'll say, oh, well, but he had several strikes over the past several months.
		What were we supposed to do?
		So they look through all our episodes, retroactively enforce against two of them, giving us a warning.
		The next thing that happens is in a month from now, because I took the training, which takes 90 days for the warning to resolve, Couple months from now, they'll say, oh, episode 412.
		Look what we found.
		Strike.
		Now you can't broadcast for a week.
		Exactly.
		Because if they came outright right now and banned us, there would be a huge stink, a huge conundrum, there'd probably be a lawsuit, it'd be crazy.
		So, instantly I'm like, okay, here we go, game's on, I get it.
		We'll see.
		As I mentioned, we're talking with top men, so I don't want to say too much, but there's a strong possibility that this entire YouTube channel has all of its videos purged within a week.
		And then what we end up doing is the show is on YouTube for a week before being permanently deleted and then being archived on other platforms or maybe even being on other platforms.
		The YouTube clips will be up for maybe a month before being deleted.
		I don't know.
		People do watch old episodes.
unidentified		They do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We can see in the analytics.
		And people do watch older clips.
		Sometimes clips will get views for a month or two.
		But, uh, what do we do?
		You know?
		That's what YouTube wants.
		That's the world they've created.
		They've outright said they would like to be irrelevant.
		I love this.
		I love this.
		Uh, I remember meeting with Google 11 years ago, and they were like, we are losing to Netflix, and we need to compete.
		Okay, well, here's why you lose.
		Netflix has edgier content than we've ever had.
		Crazier content.
		They have ancient alien conspiracy stuff on Netflix.
		You can't even have that on YouTube.
		They'll ban you.
		I mean, they do, but like, you never know.
		YouTube will just destroy your company overnight.
		What sane person wants to start a business?
		That's what I've been saying for a long time.
		If you're looking to get into this, you start on Rumble.
		You don't start on YouTube.
		To be fair, I will stress this.
		We need Rumble to launch their ad network.
		We need that ad revenue.
		And they have some, but it doesn't compare.
		Same thing for X. X is pretty good.
		The ad share has gone up.
		And so, what we need is...
		This is a component of X functionality.
		If X had a live player with a live chat feed, that would be massive for generating revenue.
		Because when you post a tweet, or an X post, what happens is, if ads appear in it, everybody who sees it generates revenue.
		And you get a share of that.
		That's fantastic.
		It's awesome.
		I have 2,000,000 followers, 2,010,000 followers on X, hundreds of millions of impressions, and I think I get like $1,000 a week.
		Maybe like $5,000 a month or something.
		That will not run a company.
		It's fantastic for me just posting garbage and satire and jokes and nonsense on the platform.
		You know, it's good income, but it certainly can't run a company.
		I wonder, if we were to get hundreds of millions of impressions on a show like this, I don't know if it would generate the revenue we need it to.
unidentified		It's hard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Ad revenue is very different from membership revenue.
		Membership revenue is asking a person to directly give that ten bucks.
		And then you have, man, this is also difficult too, is inflation.
		Ain't nothing I can say about that.
		Inflation makes it harder because, you know, it gets to a point where we have to pay people more to cover the cost of gas and rent insurance, but then The cost of running this show goes up.
		We have to then ask everyone to pay more, but then if we do, we might just lose members outright, so it's difficult.
		It's real tough, man.
		Oh, YouTube's on the fritz.
		Of course.
		Not surprised.
		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, I would have been super honored to be on IRL.
		We called, but it was like a last minute thing.
		Our guest had an emergency.
		And then I was like, oh man, we gotta have Raymond on the show.
		Like everybody knows who he is.
		So it would like, everybody would be, it would be awesome.
		But we'll, another time, another time.
		It's out in the ether now.
		We will plan for it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love meeting.
		It was kind of like meeting a superhero.
		What a cool name too, right?
		I mean, you got it all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like Raybert G. Stanbert Jr.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just like somebody decided to make a parody of Raymond.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Was it Burtman?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Tran said you or Ian said something bad about Israel.
		That's what happened.
		It was just three years ago though Like nobody was talking.
		Yeah, and I'm I mean, yeah, who knows I'm pretty neutral I'm I like seeing both sides, but you know, I digress Silver Screen Psychopathy says, you talk a lot about not supporting evil corporations, but you're paying Screwtube.
		Time to head over to Rumble, baby.
		The tube doesn't want you.
		I'm sure Rumble will be happy to have you.
		Let's go.
		I will just simply stress again, I have spoken with top men.
		We'll see what happens next week, but...
		I don't pay YouTube.
		They pay me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's an Indiana Jones reference, by the way.
		You ever seen Raiders of the Lost Ark at the end of the movie?
		Where's the Ark?
		It's being taken care of by Top Men.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who's that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Top Men.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I got goosebumps.
unidentified		Top Men.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then it shows the guy in the warehouse and he's like carting it.
unidentified		Top Men, an Indiana Jones reference.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Best movie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		John Eddie says, my cousin Katie had a blood vessel pop in her brain, causing her to have a fatal heart attack.
		Her parents need help with final expenses.
		There's a GoFundMe for her.
		Katie Rodriguez, Sholo.
		Thank you.
		Sorry to hear, man.
		That's crazy.
		I will stress to everybody, we are on Rumble.
		All of the clips are on Rumble.
		The full live show isn't.
		But, uh, you know, we'll see what happens.
		Amishman says, this is all a publicity stunt ahead of Timcast moving to the X platform next week.
		Nothing, uh, they literally took our episodes down.
		Um, YouTube deleted them.
		Sent us notifications.
		The YouTube video is struggling to play right now.
		Is other people experiencing that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm clear.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Looks good on my end.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Looks like YouTube on our end is like on the verge of crashing.
		Yeah.
		James Savick says, my warning to YouTube, ban Tim and I am gone.
		Look, man.
		Remember when they banned Alex Jones and Milo and Paul Joseph Watson from all these platforms?
		They don't care.
		What they're looking at is... it's political.
		There are employees there who just got arrested because they want Google to divest from Israel.
		I guarantee you there are managers at YouTube who hate Israel and don't like the fact that this show has nuance on the subject matter.
		Phil's defended Israel on several occasions.
		Uh-oh, can't have that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've been thinking lately that there's this big picture, earth politics, there's this global business that's happening.
		There's all this business going on.
		And if you come up with an ideology, the global business will be like, can we tolerate this ideology?
		Is this ideology going to derail our global business?
		If it's not, we'll accept it.
		Okay.
		Then you're going to have to find a way to let the population maul the ideology and figure it.
		And then if the population can come up with a way to integrate that ideology, to make global business a little better, they'll let it.
		But if you push the ideology too hard without showing them that you're going to make business better, they'll kill you.
		So you you've got to be, or they'll ban you or they'll do.
		So when it's good to have ideology, but you've got to learn how to synchronize it with the business of earth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jason Dixon says, Tim, I'd like to sell 10 Bitcoin and invest in Timcast.
		Timcast has no investors.
		I am the sole owner and none of its other companies, related companies, have any shared interest as well.
		SCNR has partial ownership from Bill Ottman of Minds.com, who's a good friend, but I don't believe Timcast will ever take investment.
		You know, I say I don't believe because I don't, maybe I die at some point.
		The issue is just that We want to expand cultural endeavors and grow.
		And so the money that comes in through everything basically funds and supports the mission and the operation.
		It's like we've gone over expenses and like salaries and all that stuff and we're like, man, it's just like the bulk of the costs are travel, accommodation, massive expenses.
		It could be upwards of like $3,000 per day.
		So a lot of money.
		Yeah, in that regard.
		And then we have international guests, people who come from Europe.
		The craziest thing is that we were looking at a flight to Texas and it was 2,500 round trip.
unidentified		Whoa.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we're not talking first class.
		And I was like, wow.
		The other thing too is we book a lot of travel within like a week or two, because a lot of guests shift around.
		And the problem is that if we book someone like two months in advance, which we sometimes do, and then book their flights and they cancel on us, we lose that money.
		We've also had certain people be like, I missed the flight or I can't take the flight.
		And so it ends up costing a lot of money.
		The crazy expense is driving.
		If we had a studio next to an airport, it would be a lot cheaper, but a lot noisier.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's funny, that's how, for me too, when I travel, the flights are like 150 bucks, but to get to the airport and back is 180 with an Uber.
		It's crazy.
		We're so far in the woods.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and to be honest with you, like the cost of travel and stuff, it's not going down because the cost of oil is not going anywhere but up unless there's some kind of change in the U.S.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		policy, so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Noor Allahi says, if you post and stream to Rumble the way you do to YouTube, I will stream and watch TimCast IRL there.
		We all have that app on our Roku.
		Ask Crowder how loyal Fanbase can be.
		Here's a hundred bucks, a show of good faith.
		I really appreciate it, my friend.
		One of the concerns is that I think around 60% of viewers watch on the YouTube app on their TVs.
		So they're not chatting, they're not super chatting, they're sitting on their couch with their friends and family and they turn the TV on.
		This is one of the craziest things that I didn't know for a long time because we look at the concurrent viewership and we're like, wow, we have 44,000.
		Total viewership is actually much bigger than that.
		We can't track that because we don't have the same tools as, like, Nielsen Ratings.
		But, uh, I ended up learning that, like, a guy, his wife, and his friend, or kids, will be watching the show.
		They'll, like, it'll be the end of the day, and they'll turn the show on the TV.
		They'll open up the YouTube app, press play, and then there's, like, three or four people in one room watching the show.
		That counts as one person in the concurrent viewership.
		Yeah.
		So, there's no real way to track all that.
		So we don't actually know the full size of viewership.
		What we have with the concurrent viewers is not people, it's screens.
		And it's around 60-70% television screens, which means the viewership's actually a lot bigger.
		It's crazy.
		And so then, you know, people will come and be like, wow, you get 40,000 concurrent viewers?
		You average that?
		And I'll be like, screens.
		So if we're talking like your average family or whatever and these are people in their 30s and they may it may just be like at most like two people we're looking at concurrent viewership is actually closer to around like 70 or 80.
		Some people are watching on their phones and laptops too for sure.
		And that's the big challenge too with moving to another platform is that people would have to switch to Rokus and other things like that.
		But I do believe we have a solution.
		It's just, you know, the other top men that I've spoken with, they want to get their ducks in a row before we say what's going on.
		Andrew Starr says, no one cares about your salary, dude.
		Well, they sure do chat a whole lot, endlessly, about how I'm only doing it for money.
		So I make it a point to point out, I would live a much more comfortable life if I only did the morning show.
		That was the original plan for IRO with the van.
		I could just drive around and do my morning show, my monologue clips, anywhere.
		Could be skating and skiing anywhere I wanted, living in a van down by the river.
		But then we did this show, and, uh, decided to, you know, build stuff, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Build stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Gotta give back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Then we hired a bunch of people and then we built a bunch of infrastructure and tried to make it professional and better and we keep expanding.
		The new studio sorely needed, definitely.
		People complain that the lighting makes them look like zombies.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it can be pretty bright sometimes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The new studio looks so good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's mostly the balance.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like cinema quality.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wesley just nailed it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's so good.
		And it's not just Wesley.
		I think Aaron was involved too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was impressed with how thin I looked.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good job, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You've been working on it quite a bit.
		No, it's not that.
		It's that these cameras, they flatten your face.
		It's funny, too, that the weirdest thing is people who are like, Tim is short and fat.
		And I'm like, then they watch a video of me skating.
		They're like, oh, Tim's kind of tall, actually.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's taller than me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be the beanie.
		When the beanie comes off, man, your brain, it's just, people, when you see what you- It's actually a mirror.
		Yeah, when they see what got the beanie, it's like, okay, he actually is a genius.
		Because you see, like, it's a large brain.
		Relatively.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Pretty interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I was actually surprised because I don't know what it is.
		Lenses have a huge impact.
		Did you guys ever watch a video of how lenses change how people look?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so these new cameras make everybody look very different.
		Everybody looks pretty tall.
		Sick!
		Yeah, it makes you look slim. I don't know. It's a bigger room. It's a fixed lens.
		And they're higher quality cameras. They're actual DSLRs.
		These are camcorders. These are really good ones, and they do look great. They also lit the
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		backgrounds, which might be causing dynamic shape. So you can see there's some shape definition
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		in the bodies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so the new studio has spotlight lighting.
		Each person has a light that shines directly on them, plus LED bar backlighting.
		And then there's like windows and stuff, so decorations and things on the wall will be harder to see because the room's a lot bigger too.
		But uh, it looks great.
		Monday's gonna be epic.
		What do we have on Monday?
		Who's the first guest?
		Is that Scott Pressler?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, looks like it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love him, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That'll be great.
		Yeah, Pressler will be our first guest in the new studio.
		Gonna be fun on a bun.
		Let's grab some more Super Chats.
		What do we have?
		YouTube's on the fritz for me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've still got it here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Amir Habibi says, Mr. Bocas makes some good points.
		We need more podcasts with him as a guest.
		Well, rest in peace, Mr. Bocas, but we are planning on having Seamus on at some point.
		You know, it would be great if we had Seamus and Seamus.
		Seamus 1 and Seamus 2.
		Yeah, Seamus 1 is the cat.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seamus 2 is the cartoonist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We don't have a lot of respect for cartoonists over here.
unidentified		Dirty AI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seamus should be here.
		I believe he'll be here all next week.
		So we're excited to have him back.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think Seamus is fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a good dude.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love him because he says he's a Christian, but he likes to question things.
		No, I'm just kidding, Seamus.
		I believe you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Don't put words in his mouth.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna make you question everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Clint Torres says, howdy people.
		Apologies for the tardiness.
		I had to see a lady about a cat fill.
		You should do a couple of gym sessions with Tim.
		It sounds like he has a lot to teach about going hard.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He definitely does.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Today was nuts.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because Richie wouldn't let me stop skating.
		So I was trying to do a run on the mini ramp.
		And these are not even like the craziest tricks, it's just I haven't skated a mini ramp in a long, long time.
		So I was doing a boardslide, fakie disaster, axle, back disaster, nollie front disaster, no stall, switch blunt, and then like a rock to turn around and then a kickflip 5-0.
		And I got one, but I hit the wall with my hand.
		And so that's not clean.
		And then I was like, I'm so beat, I'm done.
		And then Richie was like, you gotta get a clean one.
		So I skated for another 40 minutes at max heart rate.
		And then I couldn't get it.
		I was like, look, the one I got is what I got.
		But then I was like, on the verge of dying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's really good at pushing you.
		I like Richie.
		He's a great teacher.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Richie's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We were trying to get him to come on the show, but he wasn't here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we're trying to find everybody.
		Well, I don't know exactly what he's saying, but I think everyone's trying to help Rumble get bigger and bigger and bigger.
		I can respect that.
		He wants you to stream to Rumble because it would benefit him directly so he's pitching Fitz like a woman.
		Well, I don't know exactly what he's saying, but I think, like, everyone's trying to make, help Rumble get bigger and
		bigger and bigger.
		I can respect that.
		I would just like to stress, and in all fairness, we need to make money off the clips so that we can pay people who
		work here.
		the We put the clips on Rumble either way.
		Those clips don't generate money.
		It's like very, very little.
		So we lost a lot of ad revenue by doing so, but we want to be on Rumble.
		We think Rumble's important.
		We think it's good.
		The live show is the biggest driver of memberships to TimCast.com because when we're live, we say, hey, the members-only show starts now, go watch, and then tons of people instantly sign up.
		The fear is that if we disrupt that, and we don't see the same turnaround, because we don't know...
		We stop generating memberships, and then we become a sinking ship.
		And then we have to figure out the stability point where, okay, how many memberships do we generate through streaming on other platforms?
		And if the number is that it's lower because we've deranked ourselves on YouTube, split our audience up, some people can't find the stream or otherwise, then we have to say, how do we shrink the ship to maintain its current size based on the current level of growth?
		Right now, where we're at with YouTube, we have moderate to slow growth.
		I would call it stable.
		And that's great!
		Then there's an opportunity for BizDev with like Casper and other things.
		Other companies have asked us to stream on their platform, and I said, if we do that, and it reduces our current level of memberships, then we have to start cutting fat.
		I don't want to do that.
		We are stable where we're at in everything we're doing.
		We're seeing moderate viewership growth on YouTube, moderate membership growth, and so that allows us to invest in other ways to shore up the defenses for the show.
		If we venture off into the unknown, don't generate the revenue, It's only a risk for us.
		So what I've said to all these companies is, mitigate that risk, deal, and most of them have said, we don't know if we can do that.
		We'll see what happens next week.
		YouTube has changed the game and opened the door for a lot of competitors in ways they should not have by doing this.
		The fact that they took down one of the craziest podcasts ever.
		I'm offended by this.
		Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Blair White, Michael Malice, Luke Rutkowski, Ian Crosland, me, Drew Hernandez.
		I said Drew Hernandez?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Drew Hernandez was there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You just, yeah, you just did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who am I forgetting?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Lydia was there too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was back when Lydia was on the show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All of these people on this crazy show.
		It's a cacophony of nonsense.
		Joe Rogan's laughing.
		Jones is going nuts.
		Michael Malice is laughing.
		YouTube deleted it.
		That's crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of the craziest podcasts ever.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was just such a simple show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they were just like, after three years, I didn't even bring up Klaus Schwab.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to bring up Klaus Schwab, and I should have, because it would have been funny.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I remember the moment when I could have said it, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was a funny moment when you asked Joe to do DMT or something, or ayahuasca, and he was like, what?
unidentified		Who are you?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was like, well, I'm gonna wake up, and I'm like, why didn't I puke?
		I was like, God, this guy's funny as fuck.
		He's not just, he's not famous for no reason.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe they did, that's insane.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He was funny.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we'll grab a couple more of these here, Super Chats.
		We are gonna have that Members Only Uncensored show, and we'll talk to you guys, so become a member!
		Support the show.
		You know, I do believe that if we, uh, were... So, here's something, I think if we were to, like, say, okay, YouTube, screw you, and we chose any other platform, we would see a massive burst in memberships instantly.
		But then people, their memberships, they cancel them, their cards expire.
		We don't have a membership team that calls people and asks them to re-sign up.
		I feel like that's annoying.
		Maybe we should.
		Maybe there's a lot of people who don't realize their memberships lapsed and they would love to stay members.
		If we just had someone hit them up and be like, hey, we see that your membership stopped, would you want to keep going or no?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know what you mean, because it is annoying to get a call you don't want to get, but I think Valuetainment does that.
		They do.
		They have a dedicated marketing facility.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe if we had like two people and all they did was like send messages to people and say, Hey, we noticed your membership dropped off.
		We'd like to, we'd love to have you back.
		Is there anything we can do?
		And if they said no, they can have a nice day and maybe people would be like, Oh, I didn't realize here.
		So yeah, sign me back up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Phone calls, particularly phone calls, hearing a voice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess, you know, I wish I could do it.
		I can't.
		We'll just, yeah, we'll get an AI that sounds like me, but like, I am Tim Poole.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, we get AI to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trust me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Please sign up for my website.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the future.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Actually, if you could just get a voice, an AI voice filter, anyone could do it for you, they just sound like you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it can't do me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's weird.
		We've tried a couple times to take a recording of my voice, and I've even talked to, like, Seamus about it, and he's like, impersonating Tim is hard to do.
		It's like, yeah, I don't know why.
		People have told me that it's hard to do an impression of me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You do sound very neutral.
		There's not a lot of things that you could actually grab onto and exaggerate a little bit to make... Joe Rogan too.
		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan's a hard voice to impersonate.
		I've seen people who have tried, but...
		There's ways he talks you can get, but the actual sound of his voice, like people can imitate Trump and it sounds like Trump, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But we tried putting my voice into the AI voice generator and it sounded weird.
		It sounded like this.
		Hi, I am Tim Pool.
		I'm like, that is not.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cause your voice, it kind of sounds like high, but it's deep.
		It's got like, it's like, it's like low register, but kind of like the upper, I don't know.
		And it's sharp too.
		It's got like a sharpness to it.
		The way you like finish a sentence and finish a sound a lot of times.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Karsten Ellsworth says, Tim, I'm a professional marketer and longtime Timcast member looking for a job change.
		The new marketing effort sounds fun.
		If you're hiring, I'd love to join the culture war.
		Where can I send a resume?
		I don't know.
		I don't know that we actually would bring on someone.
		You know, Dane already is our marketing guy.
		I think all we would do is just like make ads and do like awareness campaigns and just generate ubiquity.
		It's not so much that the ads make people watch, but it's that everyone becomes familiar with the show.
		And you know what I was thinking of doing?
		What if every Monday we put up an ad on a variety of platforms that says like, this week on Timcast IRL we've got, and then it shows the guests.
		And it's like, watch live Monday through Friday this week, and then we just change that every week.
		Because then we're directly advertising something.
		Maybe that.
		It's too bad it takes too long to get ads approved, because if YouTube actually did quick turnaround on ad approvals, I would do a daily, you know, where it's like, tonight at 8pm, check out, you know, Philobonti on Tim Castellano.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The occasional, when the guest doesn't show, and a marketing, a big marketing thing for something that doesn't happen might be a problem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fine.
		All the big cable networks do this.
		And then if someone doesn't show up, they're just like, unfortunately, they weren't able to make it.
		All right, everybody, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
		Don't forget to subscribe to our Rumble channel at rumble.com slash TimCastIRL, and subscribe, follow me on Twitter, or I should say Axe, at TimCast, and the show, of course, at TimCastIRL.
		We're gonna go to the members-only show right now, so become a member at TimCast.com.
		Like I said, Phil, what's going on?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
		I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
		The band is All That Remains.
		You can follow us on Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora.
		I don't know, what are the other ones?
		YouTube, you know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Amazon Music.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Amazon Music, there you go.
		YouTube, you know, the internet.
		And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
		Oh, another thing.
		Check out the All That Remains Instagram page.
		It's Instagram.com slash all that remains.
		Keep an eye on that because it just got wiped today and there are things coming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a date for the song's release?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not yet, but it will be announced probably in the next few days or week or so.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So keep an eye out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And Bucko, did you have any last words?
		Okay.
		All right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Meow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Good job.
		I'm Ian Crossland.
		Follow me at Ian Crossland on Rumble on YouTube, which I'm still on.
		I've had my channel for 18 years or whatever the hell.
		Follow me all over the place.
		Every social network.
		I probably got a presence except TikTok.
		I don't mess with it.
		And I'm going to be in Austin on April 27th for the Minds Festival.
		It's going to be awesome, dude.
		Toby Turner's kicking off the show with the music set.
		I may play a song with him.
		And it's a night of roundtable debates, discussions, comedy, music.
		It's going to be fantastic.
		You go to festival.minds.com and get your tickets there.
		Use promo code Ian for 20% off.
		And I'm really looking forward to seeing you there.
		And I'll probably be hanging out with people after the show and meet the crowd and everything.
		So catch you there.
		See you.
unidentified		All right.
		Thanks, y'all.
		Have a good night.
		See you tomorrow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll see you all over at TimCast.com.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not tomorrow, but in a few minutes.

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