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Ex-FBI Says CIA Targeted Alex Jones, Jones Says HE WILL SUE CIA w/Doug Mackey | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And undercover investigation.
		A man who is a former FBI analyst saying that he's a contracting officer or was for the CIA.
		He claims that they targeted Alex Jones.
		They nudge people towards taking actions that they want to see happen like, quote, chopping off Alex Jones's legs by taking his money from him.
		He also claimed the FBI had around 20 undercover officers in January 6, a number that we've not heard before.
		And this may be a tremendous revelation.
		Alex Jones says he will be suing the CIA over this because it appears, at least according to the admission, there may be some evidence this is the case.
		But others say this guy, this is a blowhard.
		He's just some secretary from the FBI who has no idea what he's talking about, who's trying to talk big game to someone he's trying to date on an undercover video.
		And we've heard that many times before when it comes to undercover videos, particularly from Project Veritas and James O'Keefe, so take it all with a grain of salt, but we will go over the story.
		The Daily Wire has it.
		And we'll talk about that.
		Plus, we have the woman who, I don't know what the right word is, acquired Ashley Biden's diary, has now been sentenced to a month in prison.
		And many are saying, well, thus, this confirms what is in the diary is legitimate.
		Because it's a single diary.
		It's not like somebody went in there and changed things, and oh boy.
		The stuff in that diary is pretty messed up.
		So we're going to talk about that.
		Plus, we've got some really funny stories.
		A former NPR staffer says the company... Oh, this one's really good, actually.
		They were trying... They got woke, right?
		But he says they wanted to write more stories targeting black and Latino readers, and all that did was bolster their white liberal audience.
		Because that's what we know.
		All of this DEI stuff is just for white liberals.
		So we'll talk about that.
		Before we get started, my friends, I want to say this.
		On April 9th, 1865.
		The Confederacy surrendered.
		And, uh, it is the anniversary of the surrender.
		Not necessarily the end of the war, because fighting still persisted well after this, but this was the official surrender.
		Lee and Grant had met.
		And, uh, there's some urban legends about how it all went down, and myths, so who really knows?
		But it is also the 1000th episode of TimCastIRL, so thank you for joining us on this night, and, uh, Head over to castabrew.com to buy our coffee.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's really good coffee.
		Everybody loves Appalachian Nights.
		We sell this stuff so quick, we're already sold out of the whole bean.
		And it's rough, it is.
		Because we told our distributor, hey, just keep making it, don't stop, because we're selling too much.
		So we really do appreciate it.
		But I beg of you, you must buy other coffees from Castabrew Coffee.
		Now, admittedly, We do sell a decent amount of all the other coffees, but Appalachian Nights goes like hotcakes.
		I guess because it's everybody's favorite.
		But when you buy Casper Coffee, let me tell you what you're doing.
		We have a physical location for Casper Coffee currently under construction in Martinsburg, West Virginia.
		We already had a TimCast IRL live event there about a month ago, and we are planning every month to have a live, members-only, private audience event where we will do the show from our Casper location.
		Y'all can come if you're a member.
		The goal with Cast Brew?
		So let me tell you, all of the money that we have made from Cast Brew Coffee has remained in the Cast Brew Company and is being used to expand because we want 1,000 physical locations all across the country where people can meet up.
		And the dream is, one day a soccer mom walks in to buy a cup of coffee before she picks up the kids, and we've got TVs on the walls.
		And what does she hear?
		She hears Daily Wire, she hears Timcast IRL, she hears Steven Crowder, she hears Stick, Sex and Hammer.
		And these are people who should be more prominent, though you may disagree with many of them.
		This is the other side of the coin.
		Right now, you go to these corporate chains and they're gonna be playing ABC or CNN or something, so we need to create physical spaces where people can meet up and interact, and we can start to dominate meat world, or the physical reality.
		So the other thing you can do is head over to TimCast.com and click Join Us to become a member and support our work directly because this show, it's only possible because of you as members.
		And that is very, very important.
		This show exists not because of the YouTube channel or the Super Chats or any of that.
		It's because of the memberships.
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		So thank you all so much for being members.
		You make all of this possible.
		As a member, you'll get access to our uncensored members-only show Monday through Thursday, 10 p.m., which is a whole other show.
		It's an hour long with callers who call in, talk to us, We do an opening segment, we talk to callers, and they're usually about 50 minutes long.
		So it's an entirely other podcast with a massive library.
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		We need people to come together, work together, form new ideas, and grow the culture.
		So go to TimCast.com, don't forget to also smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and additionally, also important, is to share the show.
		There's nothing else to be said.
		Podcasts are, they grow because people like them, and share them with their friends.
		So if everybody who listened to this show decided, I'm gonna share this with my friends, I'm gonna ask them, hey, you guys wanna listen to this show?
		We would be the biggest show ever, and we would be eternally grateful.
		So again, smash that like button.
		Joining us tonight to talk about this and the case against him is Doug Mackey.
unidentified		Thanks for having me, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
unidentified		I am.
		I'm living in Florida now.
		I am a former.
		I was a former pro-Trump influencer on Twitter.
		And I'm currently fighting a case where I was convicted for conspiracy against rights.
		I shared a meme with Hillary that said, you can text your vote, text Hillary to this number.
		And so I shared this meme.
		I was arrested just shortly after Biden's inauguration, seven days after his inauguration.
		Wow.
		And it's been a roller coaster ride.
		I was convicted in Brooklyn, New York, in a federal court, and now we're fighting the case on appeal.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is particularly interesting because there was a similar instance where a leftist made a video saying you could text your Voting Fair Trump supporter.
		And for a variety of reasons, we'll get into the whole case and the arguments there, she didn't see any charges against her.
		And there are some arguments people have made that she made a video, it wasn't a picture or whatever, whatever the arguments may be, but we'll definitely talk about that.
		So thanks for joining us on this 1000th episode.
		Should be fun.
		Phil's hanging out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hello, everybody.
		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		What's going on, Ian?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm here in meat world, Phil.
		In meat world.
		I'm ready to dominate meat world.
		So we're on the, uh, what is this?
		The anniversary of the, uh, surrender, the end of the civil war.
		Just like, so I guess, what is this?
		Tonight's like, the metaphor is that we're going to end the culture war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The story, like, I'm reading the story of the surrender.
		And there's just, you know, there's romantic stuff.
		Grant referred to the stories of how it went down as romance.
		People wanted it to be this grand thing, but it was like two guys came together, they rolled their eyes, they wrote a few things down and said, okay, and they got up and left.
		But there's some legends about like, he looked at, he glanced over at Lee's sword, realizing that ordering the surrender of their weapons would be humiliating, could prolong the war.
		So he offered them to keep their weapons.
		And then Lee, feeling the honor of Grant's actions, offered his dress sword to him and Grant refused.
		And he's like, that, get out of here.
		out of here. Oh, it never happened. No. Well, he did. He did tell them they could keep weapons.
		Cool. Yeah. But then like Lee apparently was like, take my sword. Your honorable man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They somehow reconciled man after a civil freaking war and you reconcile. That's big.
		No, they didn't. Like they did kind of centralized power, which is a big.
		Some people say the republic died with Abraham Lincoln's seizure of power.
		But it is nice that we didn't split up and keep at war until it became a weak, forgotten piece
		of a continent on earth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'd be like having another Canada.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Almost, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a lot of stuff that would have happened.
		Like, there's big, significant changes.
		The United States probably wouldn't have survived, either the North nor the South.
		There was so many foreign forces that were involved that had an interest in the U.S.
		breaking up Britain.
		They'd have survived.
		You think so?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, look at Canada.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I mean, Canada, but Canada is technically still British.
		So yeah, but Commonwealth.
		I mean, look, in the 70s, the Queen shut down Australia's government.
		So that I mean, that happened in, you know, what we consider modern time.
		It happened in my lifetime.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I have loved this intro, but I got to give it over.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Man on the side.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Hey, yeah.
		Number one thousand.
		Everyone remember the first episode you watched Tim cast?
		They posted a chat and a lot of those bugs around on the spinning UFO for a minute.
		No, no, it's a lot of the little bugs.
unidentified		I don't know, they're all over the place.
unidentified		Yeah, the stink bugs.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's get started, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The stink bugs are starting to wake up because it's getting warm out.
		I noticed that.
		Good news as well is the, uh, the, the, the, the Ted, the, the Toedags are now Tadpoles and a couple little guys are swimming around doing Tadpole stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can you get video?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I could, yeah.
		Not right now, maybe tomorrow.
		But it's fascinating because they start as little black dots.
		And then they just become ovals.
		And then part of the oval becomes a tail and it starts swimming around.
		It's wild.
		It's fun to watch.
		But there's probably like a thousand baby toads.
		Anyway!
		Here's the story.
		We have this from The Daily Wire.
		C.I.A.
		officer admits to undercover journalists that F.B.I.
		agents attended January 6th protest at Capitol.
		When asked if the public will ever find out, the officer responded, nope, and they probably never will.
		This is wild.
		An official with the C.I.A.
		told an undercover journalist that members of the F.B.I.
		were in attendance at the protest at the U.S.
		Capitol on January 6th, 2021, and also highlighted methods that intelligence agencies use to disempower political opponents.
		Notably in this, and we will get into this moving through the story, He said that they effectively educated the public as to how to go after Alex Jones, chopping off his legs and taking his money away, leaving them satisfied it having been done, which is a wild thing to say.
		But let's let's we'll start here.
		We'll talk about what's going on with this January 6 claim.
		Gavin Oblenus, a self-proclaimed contracting officer for the CIA and former member of the FBI, was caught on camera by an undercover journalist with sound investigations as he discussed January 6.
		Oblenus claimed that former President Donald Trump incited a riot before going on to say that roughly 20 undercover FBI agents were in the crowd.
		Quote, I thought you said there were FBI agents in the crowd at J6.
		The undercover journalist asked Oblenus, quote, There are.
		There always are when there's a big protest in D.C., just in case it gets out of hand like that.
		He responded before going on to say, There wasn't enough to turn the tide.
		I'm talking we had maybe 20.
		You need 1,000 to get rid of that crowd.
		Just to go through, to observe, to see what they can hear.
		You know, that kind of thing.
		The video also shows Oblenus affirming that the FBI didn't want the public to know that they had agents embedded in the crowd, and saying that he personally knows agents who were in attendance.
		They work for the agency now, he said about the former FBI agents referencing the CIA.
		Do people know that the bureau was in the crowd?
		The undercover sign investigation journalist asked, with Oblenus responding, nope, and they probably never will.
		FBI Director Christopher Wray previously stated in a congressional hearing concerning January 6th that he was not sure there were undercover agents on the scene, doubling down an answer to Rep Andy Biggs saying, I do not believe that there were undercover agents on the scene.
		I'll just, we'll start here and I'll say this.
		It was always insane to argue there were no undercover agents on January 6.
		There are undercover agents at every single protest, ever.
		And if there aren't, they're not doing their jobs.
		So we know, the question is, to what degree did they have undercover agents there?
		Did the undercover agents have any role in enticing, inciting, or instigating violence?
		That's what people want to know.
		And because they've continually lied about it, people are going to start assuming the worst.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I kind of look at it like, I'm trying to get an objective perspective from like the current government.
		They're like, we got this insurgent guy, this Trump guy who we can't stand.
		We don't want him to win.
		He's got a rowdy crowd outside the Capitol.
		Let's get some guys out there.
		Maybe let's move it along.
		I'm saying hypothetically, this would be a tactic you could use to move things along.
		And you're like, let's just get these guys to break some windows and bust up stuff and It got a little violent, but it didn't get bodies on the ground.
		I was talking to my dad about it, and Jacob Chancellor, the shaman, in there dancing or singing, probably, potentially saved a lot of lives by keeping people really calm, because there was a lot of potential for things to go real aggro and machine guns to get opened up.
		It really wasn't that horrific as, like, riots can be in a city's capital, especially a nation's capital.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't need undercovers to start violence.
		So I was in Ferguson, and there was a bunch of people dancing in the street.
		There had been riots, don't get me wrong, they burned down a gas station.
		Uh, this protest, they had been going on, and on this particular night, I can't remember which night it was, there were people just dancing in the street.
		Nothing was really happening, I was walking up and down West Florissant Avenue, and then, all of a sudden, a cop walked up and just chucked a flashbang at a group of people standing there doing nothing.
		Instantly, there was a riot.
		There was no reason for the cops to do that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't take much either like a couple of cops push a few guys and then or break a window and then scream go we're going you know that kind of thing and that's really kind of all it takes to get the mob moving.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There were people in Ferguson who were not from Ferguson who wanted to just smash and grab and as long as people were just dancing in the street nothing was happening.
		As soon as this cop chucked a flashbang, just underhanded it right into the crowd, it created panic and chaos of people screaming, and then instantly, the smash and grabbers ran up to the stores, smashed and started stealing everything, and then all hell broke loose.
		I do not understand why a police officer would do that for any reason.
		Now, as for January 6th, to bring it back to J6, you don't need undercover people to have started this conflict.
		Many people have pointed out that it was the police that started shooting rubber bullets and throwing flashbangs at people before any fighting even started, which triggered fighting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because I've heard that also.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying it's true, I'm saying there are people who are claiming, you know, that that's what instigated the fight.
		I'm saying in my experience, I have seen instances where police have done this, and there are people posting videos they purport shows before any fighting starts, a cop throws a flashbang or fires a rubber bullet or something to that effect.
		Which is, a guy in uniform does it.
		The other thing to point out for J6, most of the people who are being charged were not part of the riot.
		There was a riot on one side of the building, those people should be criminally charged for being violent and for storming through the barricades and all that.
		And then there were people who on the other side of the building had the door opened.
		There's police officers standing at the door.
		There's one video where the cop holds open the door as protesters walk in.
		This is not an exaggeration.
		In fact, it was so obvious and egregious that one individual was acquitted of all charges because a judge said, yeah, that cop's waving him in.
		There's videos of cops taking selfies with people.
		There's videos of people on J6 asking officers if they need help.
		Tell me, what's going on?
		Can I help you?
		And those people still get criminally charged.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's... I don't even really... I mean, I'm not gonna claim one way or the other if the FBI or anybody, like, were instigating this thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It could have just been the crowd got rowdy and they...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		least worst scenario they let it happen they were like let's just let some windows get broken so we can use this as a you know as a cast his belly to go after trump to make sure he doesn't get elected or whatever the case he was i mean worst case scenario instigated it but the thing is like with the trump stuff like that it was about the certification of the election like he was all that it was already like The as soon as like when January 6th happened, there was never a question about whether or not Joe Biden was going to be certified.
		No, there was there was no on January 6th.
		There was never an option like in the real world.
		There was because because they were going to call the F they were going to call the The National Garden, it wasn't going to be where Donald Trump might.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Not through force, but this one I'm wondering, Mike Pence had the opportunity to send the electors back to the states because of what Pennsylvania done by changing the election against their constitution.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But they were never going to let it happen.
		Who's they?
		The federal government.
		Yeah, who's they though?
		Now we're just derailing.
		It's the federal government.
		Look, essentially, the government's position was, this is done.
unidentified		Right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the governor's position.
		And they were never going to let that ever change.
		There was no option.
		There was no, maybe this will work.
		It was just never going to happen.
		It was a riot.
		The people that were rioting were expecting to be treated the way that Antifa had been treated all year.
		They obviously weren't going to be treated like that because it was the federal government that was like, oh, you're attacking us.
		But there was never an option that the government might actually have Donald Trump Managed to get it.
		That was never real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Ian, that was just absolutely wrong, okay?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When asking who is they, you would say, who is they though?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who is they though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But your point actually was not bad.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
		So Mike Pence has the opportunity and kind of he has a duty as the vice president to, if something is up with the electorates, for whatever reason, he's supposed to send them back to the states to do it again.
		He could.
		He could.
		Oh, so he can say, yeah, even though it was messed up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not anymore he can't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		After this, they passed a bill saying, okay, now you can't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They passed a bill saying the vice president can't do that, and then they said that was something he couldn't have done, but in fact, no, no, he could have back before you passed the bill.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely he can.
		There's a reason why the role exists.
		It's the craziest thing.
		These people are zombies.
		They're in a cult, okay?
		When we say the vice president will count the votes, it's because he could be like, no.
		And it's like, okay, well then what?
		He has to!
		And if he doesn't, you're in an impasse.
		Then you will need a legal remedy for that constitutional crisis.
		So Mike Pence, because he's just... I don't know.
		He's a bumbling daughter, didn't care.
		He's like, uh, whatever.
		Path of least resistance, man.
		That's what this country is all about.
unidentified		I do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I believe that it was a path of least resistance, but I wouldn't be surprised if people went to it when they're like, dude, you want to play for the rest of your life?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There had been Republicans who had requested that they, uh, like members of their state legislature who had said, this is improper.
		We want to answer this.
		And Mike Pence was like, nah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The I don't think that it was actually that Mike Pence did was the path of least resistance.
		I do think that the Supreme Court by not hearing Texas's case by saying we're not going to hear this.
		I think that was where the path of least resistance because the last thing that the Supreme Court wants to do is Chime in on any of that stuff.
		They don't want they don't want to be the reason that someone was elected There's already those kind of accusations Surrounding George Bush from 2000 right there were there are people out there that say the Supreme Court Decided it whether or not you agree with that is besides the point I want to add this context.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's very important.
		Kyle Serafin, who we've had on the show, I believe more than once, maybe not, says, if this confirms so many things you thought you weren't thinking.
		This guy is my age.
		He was checking in patients at the VA when I started as an FBI agent, and I was 10 years older than many.
		In 2022, he was a secretary at the FBI.
		Be skeptical, people.
		Jeez.
		So we take a look and we can see this guy, Gavin Oblenus, who's currently at the Department of Homeland Security.
		Let's see, does he have his career path?
		Here we say, from December 2022 until the present, he's an immigration services analyst at the DHS.
		He was at the Bureau from June 2022 to December 2022, only seven months.
		Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that was wrong.
		From May 2021, Fair point.
		Maybe he was just a secretary checking people in.
		That's fine.
		But I do think it's fair to point out that when he says, at least according to the Daily Wire's writing of this, he knew people who were there on the ground and they're now working for the agency and that he's at the agency.
		I think we have a credible source.
		This is a guy who worked for the FBI.
		He was an analyst.
		Call him a secretary.
		Sure.
		Would a secretary know about the goings-on of FBI agents?
		Yeah, he sounds like he could and maybe would.
		So at the very least, yes, absolutely be skeptical because this could be some dude who was working in a mailroom who knows what garbage he was doing at the FBI.
		Someone contacts him wanting to go on a date and then he starts talking all this big game because he's trying to get laid.
		However, I don't think on a date you need to admit to these things.
		Right?
		So this is kind of the joke that we make about James O'Keefe.
		Like, James will send, like, some young woman will go, like, meet a guy on Tinder or something.
		And she'll be like, ooh, so what do you do for a living?
		And he's like, I work for the government.
		And then she goes, oh yeah?
		Do anything interesting?
unidentified		Ha!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you about all the corrupt actions we take for no reason.
		Like, you don't need to claim to do corrupt things.
		In order to win someone over on a date.
		Like this guy didn't need to say he was targeting Alex Jones.
		They had undercover agents on J6.
		He didn't need to say that.
		I don't know why he would make that up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a bold thing to make up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's- but it's- but also let's clarify too, like...
		If- I can understand if you're a guy on a date, and you're talking to someone- I think this guy's gay, I'm
		not sure.
		And you're talking to someone, and you say something like,
		I'm very rich and successful and I own very many cars.
		Like, that I get you lie about.
		You know, like those are Trump kind of lies, where Trump's like, I got a hole in one, everyone knows it, it's true, trust me, I gotta make sure I tell everybody.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The best kind of lies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, honestly, Trump probably did get a hole in one.
		I think he was super excited for that.
		So good for him.
		You know, I'm very proud.
		But his Trump's kind of lies are like the embellishment of the size or value of his buildings.
		And that's what you'd say to impress somebody.
		You wouldn't come out.
		Like, could you imagine if Trump was like meeting with someone was like, yeah, let me tell you how great I am.
		I commit fraud all the time.
		Here's how I do it.
		Here's documents proving it.
		You'd be like, what?
		You don't need to do that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe this guy wanted to blow the whistle, deep down, and he just did it on a date.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what James O'Keefe was saying, that many of these people are very guilty inside, and they need someone to tell them they did good.
		You know what I mean?
		Like, they did something wrong, and they desperately want someone to say, no, no, what you're doing is good, thank you for doing it.
		Like going after Alex Jones, targeting him to take his money from him, I have to imagine that your average person, knowing that they're lying and manipulating the circumstances to destroy someone's life, no matter who it is, might feel bad about it, and desperately want to be told you're a good guy and you're doing the right thing, because they're guilty.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine, like, I'm going to the Nazis for a second, like, all the Nazis that would have blown the whistle if, like, James O'Keefe had been around with Project Veritas and the internet, being like, dude, they're taking Jewish people to camp, like, talking about it, like, Whoa, things like that coming out and then you'd be like, is that real?
		Like the Reichstag fire?
		Yeah, we kind of said it ourselves.
		Uh, stuff like that.
		I don't know.
		So I, I don't, I'm with Kyle.
		Be skeptical.
		It's a guy saying something.
		That's all it is.
		But this seems, I mean, it doesn't seem like it's out of the ballpark.
		If this guy worked there, man, I just don't know how to verify these people he's talking about that are now at the agency.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this next portion of the story.
		We have this clip from Benny Johnson.
		Bombshell, he says!
		Alex Jones confirms he will sue the FBI and the CIA after a CIA agent admitted agency targeted Jones to destroy his career.
		Quote, I'm planning on launching a lawsuit against the CIA and FBI.
		I've retained firms to sue for civil rights violations, government racketeering operation.
		Let's play the clip.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But now that this has come out, this is a FBI agent, a CIA boss, he's a contract manager over a large contract operation.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's a boss.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm gonna pause right there.
		I think Alex may be misunderstanding.
		I don't know this guy is actually a boss.
		I think he was a contracting officer, so that may mean that he's sitting in an office and he handles who gets contracts.
		So, to be fair, that could be a contracted sort of boss, but, you know, let's see what he says.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's like a mini section chief saying all of this.
		And admitting all of this like it's no big deal.
		He needs to be subpoenaed by Congress.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I am planning to launch a lawsuit against the CIA and the FBI.
		We have to bring all this out.
		And right as my bankruptcy comes to a close, and right as all this stuff's being finalized, it's really God working here that this came out at this time.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		You just said you were planning on suing the federal government.
benny johnson ▲ ● ▼		What would an Alex Jones versus the US government look like?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm talking to different law firms right now that specialize in this.
		In fact, when I get off the feed with you, I'm going to get back on the phone with the lawyers.
		It's obviously a civil rights violation.
		It's a government racketeering operation using cutouts.
		And look, I mean, they come after my mother, my father, my wife in these mediations.
		They've said, listen, just come out against the Second Amendment and we'll drop all this.
		I mean, they've done that repeatedly.
		And they've even said, listen, we're a mafia, and there's nothing you can do to stop us.
		To my face, in front of my lawyer, in front of Norm Pattis.
		And so they're very arrogant.
		I mean, these are the sellouts.
		These are the traitors.
		These are the people that really love being under the corrupt FBI's wings, under the CIA's wings.
		They get a thrill.
		They get to go out and persecute fellow Americans, lie about them, say all these horrible things, and then say you said it, steal your identity.
		Silence you so they can all pile in on you, make movies about themselves with judges and flashbulbs and, oh, we're so great.
		We went out and got the big Goliath.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So in the undercover investigation video, the guy says that this was a civil issue.
		They didn't actually use the weight of government to go after Alex Jones.
		They simply educated the public on the appropriate means for going after Alex Jones.
		Basically, educating them on what to do, thus, quote, chopping off his legs, taking his money away.
		When the journalist asks, effectively, like, paraphrasing, are you satisfied?
		They're like, yeah, we got what we wanted, we chopped his legs off, we took his money from him.
		He's bankrupt.
		That seems to be the goal.
		Now, why would a guy who Worked for the FBI in any capacity.
		Claims he's working for the CIA.
		Brag about the things they did to go after Alex Jones.
		Well, this guy clearly doesn't like Donald Trump.
		Maybe he thinks he's the per- You know, the thing about these undercover journalists is they always, when they're in these meetings, act like they're on the side of going after Alex Jones.
		Like they want Alex Jones to be gone after, or they hate Donald Trump.
		Maybe this guy's just saying, oh yeah, we totally did that.
		And it's substantially less egregious than he makes it sound because he is blowing smoke.
		He is, you know, talking big smack.
		I'd say this.
		You get a former FBI agent and someone who claims to be in the CIA.
		If it is true that he actually is a CIA contracting officer, sounds like you've got a credible witness statement.
		And that should be enough for Alex Jones to file a lawsuit and then seek discovery.
		Have a court say like, okay, let's get all your communications and get to the bottom of what exactly was going on.
		I believe a judge should.
		I don't know that a judge would.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is your thoughts, Doug?
unidentified		Well, I was just thinking the Cheryl Atkinson case and good luck getting discovery out of the government.
		I mean, that can take decade.
		That can take a decade.
		Her case has been going on for a decade.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's the case?
unidentified		She's alleging, well, there's a lot of really credible evidence that the government planted some kind of spyware on her computer to spy on her.
		They didn't like what she was reporting on, and she was mainstream.
		She was CBS News.
		And so she's suing the government.
		I don't know all the intricacies of this case, but It's really, uh, and she's trying to get discovery out of the government and it's really difficult.
		Extremely difficult.
		A lot of appeals and a lot of stonewalling.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They just kind of want to push it down the road rather than say, no, you can't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They'll just say, oh, they always do this.
		Trying to get documents from the government.
		They jam it up.
		They block you at every turn because they're crooked.
		They are corrupt.
		They're evil people.
		Yeah.
		Like Alex is right.
		They're a mafia.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And dude, they're also disorganized.
		I was trying to pay my $120 piece of over-unspent tax from Maryland, and it's like, dude, I can't log into the website.
		It won't send me my email.
		So I call the place, like, you got to get your email.
		I'm like, I didn't send it.
		They're like, well, then we can't help you.
		You can't help me.
		You don't want my money.
		Can I just pay on my phone?
		They don't want my money.
		They want to go mail some check.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they want you to have liability.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They want to be able to go, you have an unpaid debt, so now we own you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's a tool they can use too, but at this level of me with just a hundred bucks, it's like, it's just a disorganized system that doesn't kick back an email when it's supposed to, and that's just like the state government.
		I can only imagine how crazy it gets up there with paper.
		I've heard that it's terribly disorganized at the Department of Education.
		I've heard that.
		Anecdotal, obviously.
		I don't know why I brought up how disorganized it was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not intentional, outright, that they want to have a broken system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But having a broken system, especially on things like taxes, means they'll have, they'll be able to dangle something over your head.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The tax code stuff is like, they want to incentivize people.
		They really want to use the tax code to get people to do things.
		So if they can offer tax deductions, so that way you'll do something, that's a means that the government has used ever since the income tax became, you know, something that they've been able to manipulate.
		They do it to... the federal government does it to states.
		The reason that there's a nationwide age limit of 21 for drinking...
		Is because the federal government, the DOT, says, we're not going to give you any money for your roads if you don't.
		And they do that kind of stuff all the time.
		It is like extortion.
		The only difference between the federal government and the mob is like the government you elect, as opposed to the mob just takes control.
		But either way, at the end of the day, the boot's the boot, you know?
		So that's what the government is.
		The reason the government exists is so that way it can force people to do certain things to keep society together.
		That's the basic bottom of the barrel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we are getting towards the point where people will no longer recognize the government.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was joking about that before the show.
		We talked about it yesterday.
		They say, like, I do not recognize your authority here.
		But I was like, last night we were talking about that, I was like, I literally don't recognize this government.
		I don't know what's going on.
		I don't know.
		What's the most powerful branch?
		Isn't the president not supposed to be able to take us to war?
		I don't recognize that ability.
		That doesn't make any sense to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not even about recognizing as in acknowledging.
		It's about recognizing in the literal sense.
		Like when someone walks up to you and says, John, you remember me?
		And you go, I do not recognize you.
		Who are you?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Our government is not, the president has no authority to declare war.
		That's not our government.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm right and here we are but the War Powers Act says that you know He's allowed to for a limited time as long as Congress doesn't vote against it instead.
		It's literally Congress Voted to give the power to George Bush to carry out war Congress doesn't have the authority to do that There's nothing in the Constitution that says, Congress, you can abdicate your responsibility for declaring war by voting to give the president the power.
		That is literally passing the buck to the executive because Congress doesn't want to face their own voters.
		That's exactly what they did.
		And there's no reason for that to not be just totally thrown out as completely and totally illegitimate.
		But they just said, well, we're going to do this, and what are you going to do?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That Civil War movie is coming out on Thursday.
		I guess they say it's coming out on Friday, but the first screenings are on Thursday.
		And apparently Taylor Hanson and Andy Ngo have footage in the film.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone posted a screenshot of the credits, and it's like archival footage from and includes a list.
		Oh, wow.
		And then all these leftists are super angry that that footage was included.
		And I'm like, well, you know, they were the one filming it.
		But, man, it's on the mind right now.
		And the reason I bring that up, we had these street takeovers, this one that went particularly viral where a guy's car got taken.
		We talked about it the other day, but, you know, in terms of not recognizing the government, there's two forms of it.
		One, Alex Jones being like, the FBI and the CIA went after him, according to this guy.
		That's a political witch hunt.
		That's politically targeting a media personality.
		The guy even says in the video, well, he didn't do anything that would send him to prison.
		The guy, uh, the journalist is like, why not, you know, put him in jail?
		He's like, well, he didn't do anything to go to jail.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		A billion dollars.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They wanted, they wanted more than they wanted the GDP of France.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is this all for the Sandy Hook thing?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's all for that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All for that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so it's a wild case for sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah it is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The judge, it was a summary judgment just like Trump.
		The judge said he's in default because he wouldn't hand over certain documents.
		Alex claims he gave everything he had and no matter what he did they kept saying nope.
		And so a judge could just do that.
		This is what I get worried about.
		The only group of people right now in this country that are keeping this country together are conservatives.
		That's it.
		Liberals do not recognize the authority of police.
		They want to abolish and defund them.
		They throw bricks at them.
		They do not recognize the authority, nor do they like anything about the US government.
		They firebombed a federal building in Seattle for three months.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I will say not just liberals, because I have a lot of people that consider themselves...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not just liberals? What are you talking about? I didn't mention liberals.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You said liberals just then. Did I?
		It's the, yeah, you mean like the leftists, kind of this mob movement that's...
		Right, right, right.
		This communist attempt, yeah. Because there's a lot of liberal people...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then I stand corrected and I meant the leftists.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The liberals, there are a lot of people that are just, find themselves liberal and like,
		kind of want to keep it together too.
		Maybe they don't know how.
		Maybe they're being led by the media and mass media, unfortunately, this archaic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I stand by what I said.
		It's only conservatives that are keeping this country together.
		Because if the left took over, liberals would just march in lockstep.
		So if conservatives at any point simply said, we do not recognize both in the literal sense and in the acknowledging sense, this government, there's no government.
		It's over.
		The left will immediately be like, free for all.
		They've already been doing it.
		Roving gangs of unaffiliated political, of just unaffiliated politically, taking over the streets in numerous cities.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that makes sense.
		That's what they want.
		They come in with this communist mentality.
		They want to infiltrate the United States, disrupt it, and then make people on the other side give up because it's so annoying, or they're so frustrated, or it's so- They want to break it apart.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		From the ashes of the old, we shall build a new one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They want us to break it apart for them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They want us to do it to ourselves.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no.
		They want to just break.
		And so conservatives, Trump supporters, are desperately trying to make America great again.
		And so what happens then is you have this corrupt FBI and CIA, hyper-partisan political communist faction, and it is the Trump supporters who recognize them as legitimate.
		The left doesn't recognize any of the government.
		They don't care.
		I mean, they went to Atlanta, broke into a police city, look at this massive territory, firebombing construction equipment, burning down private homes, flipping over vehicles.
		They do not recognize the authority of this government.
		And then you have Trump supporters who the police show up, The journalist will put his hands behind his back, be put in cuffs and shackles, and he will march politely to the court where he'll be railroaded.
unidentified		Have you heard of the term anarcho-tyranny?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If at any point in this country, and this is what I fear, conservatives just start saying things like, there's no government anymore, and they start acting the way the left does, then the United States will cease to exist.
		There will be a faction of a violent, we call it a mafia, I guess.
		I would call it the Enclave.
		I think that's the best way to describe it.
		For those that aren't familiar, in the Fallout series, After a nuclear war annihilates everything, remnants of the U.S.
		government form a group called the Enclave, which is the descendants and technology and weaponry, the continuity of U.S.
		government.
		But no one recognizes them other than they are a warring faction.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		In Star Wars, it's called the First Order.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		It's the leftovers from the Empire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		If the conservatives simply start saying, and it is happening to a certain degree, we've seen certain things like the Bundy standoff.
		We've seen things now with Second Amendment sanctuaries.
		The left starts this thing where they say, and it's liberals too, we're an immigration sanctuary.
		We're not going to comply with federal law.
		New York, California are sanctuary states.
		Law enforcement is barred from working with the federal government.
		This is the makings of dissolution of the federal government.
		The conservatives, for the most part, just march in lockstep with the federal government and say, well, you know, they're the government, even when they do bad things.
		But now we're getting two-way sanctuaries.
		Now we're starting to get Texas defying the federal government.
		And to an extent, the Supreme Court in certain areas And now we're getting to that point where conservatives might just start acting the way the left does and saying federal law enforcement has no authority.
		When that happens, you will have a first order, as Phil calls it from Star Wars.
		Sure, they've got military power.
		They're basically pirates.
		They're just a large faction of militarized individuals.
		How they get resources will be interesting.
		They will seize them by force.
		It will be an occupying force, unrecognized by various groups, and this is how you get the makings of Civil War, at least.
		I'd be interested to see what happens in that A24 film on Thursday.
		We're going to see it because there's five factions, according to their map.
		There's, what is it, like the Western forces, the Eastern Alliance or something, there's the Loyalist States, and then there's California and Texas as their own republics.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So they're each independent?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		California is one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		California is its own republic.
		Texas is its own republic.
		Then there's like the Northwest, which is rebel, the Southeast rebel, and then a strip through the center of the country, which is a loyalist.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think if people continue to rely on the federal government, but complain about it and try not to recognize it while they're still reliant on like centralized electric grids and power, water, like a lot of it is municipal.
		It's localized, but you know, the federal government will Can cut money off and reroute water sources to states and things.
		If we were less reliant on the government, then we could create communities and stay peaceful.
		And I don't think it would be as big of a deal.
		I think the federal government might actually kind of lay off.
		But if we continue to rely on it, it's going to keep pushing, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the issue is the left cheats, the Democrats cheat, and the conservatives just keep playing the game.
		I mean, imagine you're playing a game of Monopoly, and you're watching the other person playing just grab money out of the bank and stick it in their pile, and you go, whoa, hey, you can't do that.
		And they go, yeah, I can.
		Do you want to keep playing or not?
		And they go, yeah, I guess.
		Well, you can't win!
		And so what I mean by this is, when you look at sanctuary states, Democrats inflate their population sizes by bringing in non-citizens and refusing to allow them to be deported.
		They're doing it en masse right now, and this is going to give them extra congressional seats and extra electoral votes.
		This is not a legitimate form of governance, but the red states just go, well shocks, they got 17 more seats than us in Congress somehow, yet again!
		I guess we'll just have to live the way they tell us we have to live.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Someone was saying we brought up those numbers from the Social Security Administration about how many people are being registered to vote without IDs and how many are coming back dead, like a third of the registrants are coming back dead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like in Texas last week it was, I think, what were we looking at, like 0.2%?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 0.2%.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's like an anomaly I'll poke every once in a while where you're like, how come a third of the 80,000 people, 25,000 of them were dead?
unidentified		That's weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was one week.
		It was February 17th in Missouri.
		One third of voter registrants with no IDs came back as dead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So that's something they said, send it to Lara Trump.
		Because I think, is she running the RNC now?
		Or is she about to be running the RNC?
		Get it to Lara Trump immediately.
		This is like big time, big news for the RNC.
		They need to know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the story from the National Review.
		50 anti-Israel protesters arrested for shutting down Senate cafeteria.
		The cafeteria?
		That's an insurrection.
		So they stormed into the building.
		They've got red painted hands.
		Austin's legacy equals genocide.
		What is this?
		In D.C.?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The red painted hands thing, like, that symbolizes the blood of Israelis that they killed.
		Like, that came from, like, Palestinians that had Israelis' blood on their hands.
		That's what the red is from.
		So I don't know what the hell they're thinking.
		Nothing.
		Like that's literally like, yo, we get what they're talking about.
		We have Jews blood on our hands and we're protesting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Fighting stop.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It is insane.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's about as far as the thoughts go.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Insane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're not even thinking that dude, look.
		I grew up with a lot of these protesters.
		They're thinking nothing.
		There are organizers who think certain things, but they have limited understanding.
		It's usually some non-profit will have some organizers who will come and help them.
		There'll be donations, there'll be activists, and they'll get this money from a variety of sources, and they'll get stupid people, and they'll say, do you want to feel like you belong?
		And they say, please, yes, I just want purpose.
		And they say, then stand next to me.
		That's the reason.
		The reason why these people are there.
		Most of these people couldn't tell you about what's going on in the world.
		And that's the issue I took when we were talking to one guy, Liam.
unidentified		Shout out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's a good dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like him.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Cosgrove's the man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I asked Liam Cosgrove, like, how come you know so much about Israel but not other conflicts around the world?
		It's a legitimate question.
		I am not telling you you are not allowed to care about Israel.
		I am asking you why Israel and not something else.
		There's no answer.
		And it's because it is just a, it is a hot issue to talk about.
		I get it.
		Israel is a big issue.
		You are allowed.
		If someone said, no, you're completely right.
		I think what's going on in Burma is serious.
		Taiwan, very, very serious.
		I can talk to you about, you know, the U.S.
		shifted its weapons production.
		It's contracting from desert theater to water, Pacific theater, weaponry.
		Yeah, the U.S.
		started ordering missiles.
		I am deeply concerned about the U.S.
		prepping war with Taiwan.
		Right now, though, in the news cycle, Israel seems to be taking the cake.
		So I've been focused on them.
		I think it's a fair point to make.
		But there are a ton of people like these activists who are deranged.
		And if you asked them, how many kids died in Ukraine?
		They'd say, I don't know.
		You'd say, how many kids died in Burma?
		Don't know.
		How many kids are dying over the battles in Kashmir?
		No idea?
		You literally don't know or care about anything happening in the world, do you?
		Yemen?
		Come on.
		Tell me about Yemen.
		Nothing.
		Yeah, a hundred thousand dead in Yemen over the past, I think, eight years.
		And you don't know anything about it?
		But you care about Israel!
		No, I don't believe it.
		It's someone who came up to them and said, do you want to care about something?
		Not really.
		Do you want to pretend like people like you?
		Yes, please.
		Okay, then do as I say and we'll pretend we like you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I keep thinking about a guy who's there who's like, I'm here because I like her.
		And he's like another girl.
		You know, it's fictitious, you know, but maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm willing to bet a lot of the guys who are there are doing it because they find some girl attractive.
		That's sad, but often true.
		And a lot of the women that are there are doing it because other people told them it was the popular thing to do.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's easier than learning to play a musical instrument.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just show up at the protest rally and tell the chicks that you're down with whatever the protest is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but to be fair, then a guy shows up to the rally with an acoustic guitar and he's like, hey girls, listen to this one.
		It's called My Heart Breaks for Gaza.
		And then he starts playing the song and then they're like, oh, you're saying socially acceptable thing.
		And he's like, now I'd like to talk to you about the crisis in Yemen.
		And they go, nah, we're not interested in that.
		We don't care.
unidentified		Nope.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, do you guys think these kinds of protests are even worth doing?
		I'm like, geez, I don't want to shut down the idea of the value of protest.
		Cause like, that's kind of like a world economic, they'd love to have this technocratic non-protest society.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This is all luxury protests.
		It's all luxury beliefs because it doesn't affect most... The people in the United States that are protesting the war in Gaza, this doesn't affect them.
		This is all them posturing and performing for people.
		That's all that it is.
		Unless they're actually Israeli or Palestinian or have family there, it doesn't really affect them.
unidentified		You know who satirized this really well was Tom Wolfe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What'd he do?
unidentified		He wrote a book and he described it called Radical Chic.
		You know, it's a lot of very wealthy, sort of old money involved in this, and they're just doing it as, like he said, like a pose, a posture, and it just becomes sort of the thing to do, you know?
		In Manhattan.
		He was living in Manhattan and he wrote a couple books about this.
		He satirized it really well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well you just said that the story Ben Affleck's daughter now saying that she is in fact a he.
		And many people are pointing out that all these celebrities just have like all of their kids are trans and non-binary.
		And it's just ultra wealthy affluent liberals desperately trying to out virtue signal each other.
		That's what it is.
		You know I worked for Greenpeace.
		They told me that getting arrested was a badge of honor.
		That it's a, you know, you can brag about it.
		You get arrested protesting, and then you can go to the other side, like, I've been arrested before.
		Yeah?
unidentified		What for?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For protesting for the planet.
		It's like, oh wow, badge of honor.
		And no, it's all just nonsense.
		That's the things they tell young people who are trying to find something to do because people want to do good, and they trick you into doing bad things for them.
		And that's what you get with stuff like this.
		Now I'm wondering, Are they going to be charged with insurrection?
		And who incited them?
		I think it was Joe Biden.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How far did it go?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they shut down the cafeteria.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, eating lunch is an official duty, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is at the Capitol?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I missed where it's at.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the Capitol.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the Senate office building where they were eating.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They said the Senate can't eat until Gaza eats.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But because it was non-violent, maybe they won't hit him with trespassing charges?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's so frustrating hearing stuff like that, because everybody's sending all kinds of aid to Gaza.
		If it's not getting to the people of Gaza, it's because Hamas is the government of Gaza, and they're not passing out all the stuff to the people in Gaza.
		The people of Gaza are suffering because Hamas is a bad government.
		Like, that's why they were suffering before.
		Hamas took their water pipes to build rocket launchers.
		Like, they literally are just an absolute train wreck of a government.
		And that's why Gaza suffered.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But it was pretty bad before Hamas.
		In like the 90s, it was pretty rough.
		They were pinned in pretty hard for a while.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Don't know enough about what Gaza was like in the 90s.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with much about how the Palestinian Liberation Organization, PLO, Israel Defense Government treated those people and how they were?
unidentified		I don't know much about the PLO.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
unidentified		I don't know much about it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		To be honest, I have not studied deeply, but I don't know if I'd put all the blame on Hamas because the barricades, Israel barricading them in and controlling what gets in there is not Hamas's fault.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they were doing it before Hamas existed, then it's not Hamas's fault.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I mean, kind of.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		The thing about Hamas is they decided to launch the attack that ultimately resulted in this war.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		October 7th.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing about all of this.
		If you're going to blame somebody for this immediately, the first person to blame is Hamas.
		And they're still in control.
		It's an easy thing to do.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're still holding Americans, dude.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They have Americans.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No love for terrorist organizations in general, except George Washington, who apparently was a terrorist according to King George.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Listen, the historical way that governments have been created has been through violence, right?
		That's just the way that it's been.
		The decision by the international community that that is no longer acceptable happened after World War II, and it was because of the nuclear weapon.
		That no longer is it acceptable according to the UN and the world order.
		There are people that violate that.
		When that happens, the UN condemns them and sometimes there are wars and stuff like that.
		But generally, the point is, because nuclear weapons exist, we can't have wars of aggression anymore.
		So that's the end of wars of aggression.
		But that's how countries were created for all of human history prior to the nuclear weapon.
		It just got too dangerous to have industrial scale mechanical war.
		Like, you can annihilate cities and stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You see Coleman Hughes on Rogan?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I saw part of that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He made a really great point.
		He said, Hamas has perfected the blending of military conflict with civilian population.
		And so this puts Israel in a position where they have either, they have two choices, either engage in a conflict where you are dealing with people who have blended themselves into the civilian population, or stop fighting.
		What do you do?
		If they stop, they're basically going to declare carte blanche for all terrorist organizations to start setting up their operations within dense civilian populations for the purpose of inhibiting anyone's ability to stop them.
		Or they carry on with with their campaigns, which results in high civilian casualty.
		Now, according to Coleman, I'm not saying he's right.
		He said that, you know, because Joe Rogan says 30,000 civilian deaths.
		That's a genocide.
		And Coleman said it's not 30,000.
		Actually, that's the numbers Hamas gives.
		Israel says 13,000 soldiers were killed.
		And so, if you were to take those two numbers, then you're looking at something like 17,000 civilian deaths to 13,000 soldiers killed, which is actually a better ratio.
		It's a stupid way, it's an unfortunate way of saying things, but it's a better ratio than the United States has in their campaigns with Afghanistan and Iraq.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are they considering military-age men soldiers?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because I think the United States was doing that for a while.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Under Barack Obama, they started doing that.
		Like when the civilian death toll was getting too high, Obama was just like, if they're fighting each other, then they're not civilians.
		And they started blowing them up.
		Yeah, that's like too many of them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm concerned for those numbers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, well, either way, either way, there's an interesting point brought up by Coleman in that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If Hamas is allowed to operate the way they do, then they'll never stop.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It will literally never stop.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he's making the point that Hamas wants Israel to keep doing what they're doing so they can then go to the world and say, help, help, you have to stop them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Like Hamas wants to have, like Hamas, every single innocent person that dies is good for Hamas.
		So Hamas doesn't have any problem with innocent people dying.
		Like, that's why they took hostages, and that's why they have hostages, because their religion says if they die and Allah says that they're a martyr, then they go right to heaven.
		So it's no big deal.
		It's no problem for people to die.
		That's cool.
		It's fine.
		Because they go right to heaven.
		That's the whole scope of it.
		And people that say, oh, that's not really what they think, or people that apologize for that type of ideology, or those kind of religious beliefs, that's what they say.
		That's exactly how they look at it.
		So they don't care about innocent people.
		They don't care about innocent people dying.
		That is good for them, because one, those people go to heaven.
		Two, the international community says, oh, Look at how bad the people of Gaza are being treated because there's all these innocent people dying and they come down on the Israelis.
		That is a win-win for Hamas.
		So when you're fighting someone that has incentive to have innocent people die, like not just doesn't care, but incentive, You're going to end up with terrible numbers of innocent deaths because they're not actually trying to help the people get out of the way.
		They're inhibiting, like Hamas is actually inhibiting people from getting out of the way sometimes.
		And a lot of the people that are in Gaza don't really have a negative opinion of Hamas.
		I'm sure there's some, but they... Why do you think that?
		Because there were polls and like 77% of Gazans approve of Hamas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Recently too.
		The first elections were won in the 2000s and Hamas won, becoming the official government.
		And then what the left says is, yeah, but there's no actual elections now.
		It's like, they do polls and everyone's like, they're in support of it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sorry to interrupt you, Phil.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My testosterone's flowing while I was working out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's fine.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I'm interested.
		So what was it, like, just a poll of a thousand people, though?
		And then they were like, see, that proves that everyone supports Hamas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a big statement.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Hamas was elected in, like, 2005.
		Now, granted, the first thing Hamas did is said, we're not having any more elections.
		So, like, that sucks for the people of Gaza.
		But at the same time, if there were elections, it is highly likely that Hamas would win again.
		Like, nobody wants to touch the people of Gaza because if the people of Gaza go to Egypt, they're going to undermine the government of Egypt.
		If the people of Gaza go to Jordan, they're going to undermine the government of Jordan.
		There are a lot of people that are revolutionaries, or at least have that revolutionary mindset, that say, we're going to take over the government so that way we're in control in Gaza.
		That's just the way that it is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They say like history rhymes, but it doesn't necessarily repeat.
		And this is like, they have, it's this group of people that are being persecuted.
		Well, you could argue this, and they have nowhere to go.
		This is like, this is the Jews.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Part of the reason they don't have anywhere to go is because they try to overthrow everywhere they go.
		There was a boatload of Palestinians in Jordan, and they were trying to overthrow the King of Jordan, so he booted them.
		Same thing in Kuwait.
		There was a boatload of Palestinians in Kuwait.
		They started messing with the government, so the Kuwaitis booted them.
		That stuff has happened, too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why did the King of England threw the Jews out of England at one point?
		And I think it was because they were meddling in the politics.
		I'll look into that so I can bring more info.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Before any of us were born.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was hundreds of years ago.
		The Jews have been exiled from countries over the millennia for reasons, and I've always thought it was just severely racist and stupid.
		I don't know why.
		I've never really looked into exactly why they did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then he started listening to those Hitler speeches.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The AI Hitler speech is crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Racism was normal until the 40s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People just were like... It's still normal everywhere but the US.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's true too, but it's like...
		In the U.S.
		it's like, or in the West, is really the only places that it's like racism is odd.
		It is, the rest of the world is way more racist and has been way more racist forever.
		So, like, this idea that racism is anomalous in the United States or whatever, it's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump to this story.
		We actually, this is from the third.
		Someone super chatted us, so I pulled it up.
		This is from the Texas Secretary of State, and this is pertaining to those anomalous voter registrations with no IDs.
		Now, something doesn't make sense.
		And I figured this would be the case.
		But for those that aren't familiar, we have something called the Help America Vote Verification System, which shows for the week ending March 30th that Texas had 225,132 registration verification requests.
		30,000 had no match.
		25,132 registration verification requests.
		30,000 had no match.
		190,193 provided a match.
		These are new registration applications according to the Social Security Administration.
		I want to make sure everybody has the full context here, so I will pull up what is HAVV.
		They say, to comply with the law, they developed a verification system.
		States must only submit a request to us for new voters who do not present a valid driver's license during the voter registration process.
		Now we have a statement from Texas.
		The reporting going around was that 1.25 million people had attempted to register in Texas without an ID.
		Many of them were verified in the Social Security Administration database.
		What they say, this is from Jane Nelson, Secretary of State.
		There have been recent and inaccurate reports about the voter registration process and ID requirements in Texas.
		Please see the statement from Secretary of State Jane Nelson below.
		Quote.
		It is totally inaccurate that 1.2 million voters have registered to vote in Texas without a photo ID this year.
		The truth is, our voter rolls have increased by 57,711 voters since the beginning of 2024.
		This is less than the number of people registered in the same time frame in 2022, which was about 65,000, and in 2020, which was 104,000.
		When Texans register to vote, they must provide a driver's license or a social security number.
		When an individual registers to vote with just a social security number, the state verifies that the SSN is authentic.
		While federal law allows individuals to register to vote without a photo ID, Texans must actually show proof of ID to vote.
		The 1.2 million figure comes from the Social Security Administration website, which is supposed to report the number of times states have asked to verify an individual's social security number.
		The SSA number is clearly incorrect, and we're working now to determine why there is such a large discrepancy.
		So this is where things get very interesting.
		Why is there a discrepancy every single time?
		Why is the Social Security Administration reporting over and over again every two weeks that Texas has a quarter of a million people trying to register?
		Could it be that there is a shadow campaign that Texas is even unaware of?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it could be.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that is exactly what I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Texas is going, we haven't asked for these verifications.
		This proves it's false.
		And whatever's actually going on is that it's not going through Texas.
		It's going around Texas.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let me just say right now, we don't know why the Social Security Administration is claiming every two weeks, a quarter of a million people registered to vote in Texas.
		So I think that clearly puts it well above 1.2 million.
		And so, we showed March 30th, now we have March 16th.
		March 16th, Texas, 227,000.
		30,000 got kicked back, 192,000 were found to have matches, 4,570-something were dead.
		Let's go back another two weeks, as Texas only reports apparently every two weeks.
		Or the number only appears every two weeks.
		Here we have, now with, where's Texas?
unidentified		224,569.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		189,000 were found to have matches.
		Let's go back another two weeks, which would bring us to February 17th.
		Oh, this is the one where you get Missouri.
		Where's, uh, where's Missouri at?
		There we go.
		With 23,000 dead people trying to register to vote.
		How does that happen?
		That's, that one's interesting, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a third of the people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if you go back further, like back into the last year or two?
		219,000, 170,000 founding matches. These are all clearly distinct numbers.
		Now just to show you, if I go back to March 23rd, they don't have Texas. Texas only appears every
		other week. You can see most other places don't have these kinds of numbers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What if you go back further, like back into the last year or two? I want to see these.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've done all that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Pick a year, pick a date.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Yeah, something like 2022.
		Can you go back that far?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we can.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What was voter registration like in 2022 in Texas?
		And I get it, we're coming up on an election.
		You gotta give me a month.
		Yeah, March 20th.
		March 26th, 2022?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, something like that, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's see if this is one of the reporting weeks for it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A couple years ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Texas had 15,000. 15.
		At the same time period, two years ago, 15,000.
		Okay, fine.
		Texas says, no, no, no, this is clearly a mistake.
		It's clearly a mistake.
		Okay, how is the Social Security Administration every two weeks reporting this massive number?
		Okay, fine.
		They hired a new intern, and he's typing in the wrong numbers, I guess.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		I mean, I'm glad you said that, but obviously, that would be very unlikely.
		That happened three times in a row.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or, maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shadow campaign?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe they're, so you're thinking they're, they're signing them and then it just goes around Texas, like they go through the Texas state for the registration, but then the paperwork just goes to the Social Security Administration?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not actually Texas requesting the verifications.
		It's someone masquerading as Texas to the Social Security Administration.
		Perhaps the issue is to find voters.
		Maybe the real issue here is to figure out who's dead, who's alive, and who can vote, and they're not real registrations.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and they're just looking for people to go ballot harvest later or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Man, three weeks in a row, or six weeks in a row, 250,000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh no, it's not six weeks in a row, bro.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It goes all the way back.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it counting like two weeks?
		In two weeks, 250,000.
		So are we actually reading... It may be, it may be.
		Yeah, something like that.
		So here we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is February 3rd, was not one of the reporting weeks, so we need to go to January 27th.
		And Texas, 125,000 with 100,000 matches found.
		So this was January 27th.
		Let's go back to January 13th to see Texas.
		And we've got 89,000.
		So it seems like the number is picking up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's ramping up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it may be around that number.
		And then that was the 13th.
		So then we would have to jump back to December 30th.
		And what do we have for Texas?
unidentified		$97,000.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So it's ramping up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ramping up substantially.
		Let's go back to December 16th and see what we get for Texas.
		$80,000.
		And here, we'll do a little sorting algorithm technique and we'll jump back to, let's say, July 29th.
		I don't know if this is one of their reporting weeks.
		Let's see.
		It is $234,000.
		That's a big week.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		$174,000 had no match.
		134,000.
		That's a big week.
		Yeah.
		150,000.
		74,000 had no match.
		What is this?
		Texas is saying, this is clearly a mistake.
		I think that's overly simplistic.
		Pennsylvania had 94,000.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In Texas on that week, it was a fourth of them had no match.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		July 29th, 2023, a quarter of a million people with no IDs were listed as registering to vote.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How could the Social Security Administration falsely report this every other week for a year?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I just don't think they will.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Texas has no idea what's going on?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So the Texas Attorney General should look at this, obviously.
		If they haven't, if you guys know the Texas Attorney General, send this to him.
		I don't know who he is or who they are, who she is, I don't know.
		They should know.
		Yeah, we should immediately, this should be in their hands.
		The FBI should immediately be involved in this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they say you need an ID to vote?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does Texas have universal mail-in voting?
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yet?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Research!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The Attorney General for Texas is Ken Paxton.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ken Paxton.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Get on it, Matty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's find out about their mail-in voting.
		You can apply for a ballot by mail in the state of Texas.
		You have to be 65 years or older, sick or disabled, out of the country on election day, expected to give birth in three weeks, be confined to jail or otherwise eligible, and then you can submit online.
		I really doubt if this is some kind of manipulation that Texas is going to allow mass applications for mail-in voting, but I really just don't know.
		I certainly think you'd be naive to think there is no shadow campaign.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Look, there was a lot of effort put into the Shadow campaign in 2020.
		They wrote a whole piece about it, there was a bunch of people involved, and I had to make sure that they reinforced the election and stuff.
		The idea that they wouldn't do it again is...
		Of course, silly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If we were just in a normal world and I was like, one day I was like, what?
unidentified		What?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'd be really weirded out.
		But the influx of migrants into Texas, like, I think that that kind of correlates with what we're seeing in the numbers of people being registered.
		So I'm not saying that they're literally the ones being registered, but there's a correlation there.
		It's a lot more evidence that something nefarious is going on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it could be something going through Texas that the Secretary of State doesn't know about.
		Now, they said their voter rolls haven't increased by that much.
		Maybe there are Democrats working in Texas submitting registrations for verification and they're trying to figure out who they can get who isn't registered and who is able who's not who's going to slip through the system and it's and it's coming from a local jurisdiction or something and the Secretary of State doesn't know about it.
		People who haven't been added to the voter rolls because it has not yet been submitted to the state and it's bypassed the state government.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And now they'll know who to register with the state, now that they see who's alive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep, to minimize errors and to make it look like, make it look authentic.
		I think, the one thing about this, I'm glad that it got picked up because taxes are now saying that it's an error, is great.
		Because now any anomalous thing that we end up seeing in November, we can point back and say, hey, this was widely known about, and so there is now, like, hey, start filing your lawsuits now.
		Okay, so all the Republican groups need to start filing lawsuits, challenging this.
		The Social Security Administration needs to be sued for their data.
		The state of Texas, hey, this could be a lie.
		Secretary of State could be lying.
		For all we know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is unprecedented, man.
		Like, what do you do here?
		We just talk about it, raise awareness.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I mentioned, it is only conservatives that keep this country in existence.
		It's like that episode of The Simpsons, where the advertisements all come to life.
		Just don't look.
		If everyone just stopped looking at the advertisements, they'd cease to exist.
		But conservatives genuinely believe in the power structures of this country.
		And again, I'm joking.
		I'm saying this is actually a good thing.
		Because they want to save it.
		They want to make America great.
		They want to fix it.
		They want to get Trump elected.
		They want to bring in people who are going to weed out the corruption.
		Unfortunately, right now, the people in government are the enclave.
		They are beholden to no one.
		They are accountable to no one.
		They lie.
		They cheat.
		They steal.
		They are criminals.
		And Trump supporters just go, well, you know, they're in charge.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cause they don't want to fight.
		Nobody wants to do that right now.
		I mean, most people, I don't think they don't want to fight.
		They want a peaceful society.
		It's, it's a terrible idea.
		That's right.
		That you would ever have to be pushed into that, man.
		I don't want to fight.
		We got to do this peacefully.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's jump to this next story.
		We have this from the Hill.
		Woman who stole Ashley Biden's diary sentenced to month in prison.
		See, I don't know if stole is the right word, but I guess she was convicted.
		She's getting a month in jail and I can only say this proves it.
		So it really was actually Biden's diary, and there is no reason now to doubt anything in it.
		So here's a woman saying she feels like she underwent some kind of sexual trauma, where she was hyper-sexualized as a young child, and that she may have been molested, and she had inappropriate showers with her dad, Joe Biden.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was Willem's diary?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I gotta tell you, I think the sentencing of this woman was actually a play by patriots who were like, we need to give her some time to confirm the diary.
		And so they were like, look, one month is no big deal, but that proves the diary's real.
		There you go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So they waited how many years?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm kidding.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Four years and then they charged her?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well she's been in dealing with this since 2022.
		They say prosecutors accused Amy Harris of stealing the president's daughter's diary in September 2020 while she was temporarily staying at Ashley Biden's residence in Delray Beach, Florida.
		The diary contained highly personal entries as well as tax records, a cell phone, and family photographs according to the DOJ.
		Harris enlisted Robert Kurlander to assist her efforts, and they each pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges in 2022.
		Project Veritas, based in New York, paid Harris and Kurlander $20,000 each for the diary and other materials, which the two returned to Florida to obtain.
		Nicholas Bias, the Chief of Public Affairs for the Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York, confirmed Harris was sentenced to one month in prison and three years of supervised release to the Hill.
		Kurlander has not been sentenced yet.
		Project Veritas describes itself as a news outlet, but faced some controversies for its sting operations and sending staffers undercover to record sources.
		The DOJ raided two locations in November 2021 tied to Project Veritas and the organization's founder, James O'Keefe.
		While Veritas did not publish the diary, another website did.
		Judge Laura Taylor Swain described Harris' actions as despicable during the sentencing at a Manhattan federal court on Tuesday.
		The AP reported Harris apologized to Ashley Biden during the sentencing and said she regretted her actions, according to the AP.
		The DOJ sought a sentence of four to ten months of imprisonment for Harris, followed by three years of supervised release, according to a letter sent to the judge last week.
		Assistant U.S.
		Attorney Robert Sobelman argued Tuesday that Harris showed a pattern of disrespect for the law and the justice system.
		Harris' lawyers asked for no prison time, with defense attorney Anthony Cicutti saying she carries the shame and stigma of her actions.
		The AP reported.
		Hill reached out for comment.
		And, uh, well, the diary's real.
		Check this out.
		I love this because Snopes has this story.
		Fact check.
		Posts claim contents of Ashley Biden's diary have been verified.
		Here are the facts.
		And this is from Friday, April 5th.
		What do they say?
		Unproven!
		It's unproven.
		A diary authored by U.S.
		President Joe Biden's daughter Ashley Biden describes inappropriate actions taken toward her by her father when she was a child.
		Unproven.
		What do you mean unproven?
		It's her diary.
		She said it was her diary.
		We know it's her diary.
		Two people are going to prison because they took her diary.
		And in her diary, it talks about how she was hyper-sexualized, makes reference to sexual trauma, and says that she took inappropriate—noted taking showers with her dad, quote, parenthesis, probably not appropriate.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Go back up to the top of this.
		This is very disingenuous.
		Which part?
		This title.
		The way Snopes titled this.
		So they're saying, is it verified?
		Is what she wrote in her diary verifiably true?
		We still don't know.
		She might have been lying in her diary, I think is what they're saying here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The idea that somebody would have a diary, to the extent that people would go to prison for taking it, and then Snopes would go, but we don't know if she actually wrote what's in it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, they know she wrote it, but they don't know if it's true what she wrote.
		That's what they're saying, I think.
		As far as I can tell.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which I get it!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're arguing that the pages we got may not actually be from a leaked diary.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well now that... I think that's not the right argument because as far as I can tell it's verified.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This stuff was in her diary that they arrested the woman for stealing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're arguing we don't know it was in her diary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just that someone had her diary and said these are pages from the diary, but how do we know?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is the diary public?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Has it been published?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, technically, the outlet that published the pages made it public, but they're saying, how do we know those are real?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good on Snopes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's an amazing argument, because you can basically debunk literally anything.
		Yes, the Pentagon Papers were sent to the New York Times, but how do we know the New York Times didn't alter them?
		Therefore, they're all unverified.
		And the Afghan war logs?
		Same thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Gravity?
		9.8 meters per second squared?
		We don't know.
		How can you prove it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You sure?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Unproven.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you do the studies?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That proves it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think you can actually test that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You think?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You sure?
unidentified		Did you?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Unproven.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I haven't yet.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well then it's unproven.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Snopes will get you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What did you say, what did you say the gravity speed was?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		9.8 meters per second squared, it accelerates.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Snopes.
		Ian claims that gravity is 9 point, what do you say, 8?
		9.8 meters per second.
		9.8 meters per second squared.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		On Earth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unproven.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cause they'll be like, false!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		On Mars, gravity is... No, no, no, I would say false.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian Crossland has never actually done these experiments to prove the actual speed of gravity and force of gravity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Therefore, this is a completely wild claim that he's made without evidence.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I used to respect Snopes a lot in the early 2000s, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because you were in the cult.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or were they good back in the day and then they got bought?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did they get bought out?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Everything did that.
		As soon as the cell phone became ubiquitous in everyone's pocket and stuff, that's when it really became...
		Uh, the, the, the culture really kind of changed.
		There was, there was, you know, like Tim talks about how the, uh, the algorithm started re, you know, regurgitating the same stuff that the people were responding to.
		The fundamental foundation had already been laid in schools and in, in your Basically, most of society had already been clowning anything Republicans did for almost 10 years before that happened.
		You know, the whole Daily Show making jokes about anything Republicans said.
		So they'd already made the entire concept of a conservative toxic so that way you could just dismiss anything a conservative said.
		So it didn't matter what they said.
		So it's been set up to really, you know, delegitimize people that don't fall in line, you know, fall in line with the narrative.
		So.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember not liking Mitt Romney.
		It's a little anecdotal, but that was all media manipulation.
		I was like, I'm not supposed to like that guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the thing is- True, but I also didn't like Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney is not a good person.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You seem cheap.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've never met him face to face.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He was the most Boy Scout guy that you could possibly come up with for like- No, he was Hitler.
		He was as milquetoast, boring, inoffensive Republican as the Republican Party, which means the United States, could produce.
		There was nobody that was less offensive and a conservative than Mitt Romney.
		And they still said he was Hitler, they said he was all these bad things, blah blah blah.
		And so the response was, well, if we give you the nicest, most inoffensive conservative imaginable, and you still paint him as evil, then we'll just give you the used car salesman that's going to toss his middle finger up at you.
		And, you know, we're going to run that guy against the most Objectionable Democrat that they could produce, you know, they railroaded Bernie Sanders campaign and all that stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just want to point this out because Snopes is the most duplicitous, disgusting organization.
		They say, while there is strong evidence the diary exists, the authenticity of the content of these and other leaked pages has not been confirmed.
		Just because a diary exists does not mean the images presented by the national file are that diary.
		Legal proceedings later made it clear if the National File did get the document from Project Veritas.
		The Intercept reported in 2022 that a Veritas employee provided the alleged diary to the National File in October 2020 when Veritas had reservations about publishing it.
		So, we know they had it.
		We know Veritas got it.
		We know Veritas didn't want to publish it and gave it to National File.
		Other outlets have confirmed this is what happened, but when National File did publish the claim, those claims could be fake, That's literally Snope's argument as to why it's unverified.
		Amazing!
		We know they had it.
		We know how they got it.
		We know that people are going to prison for helping facilitate the transfer of it.
		And then after all is said and done, and the National File is holding the diary, they posted pictures of fake images.
		That's what I'm supposed to believe.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if that's the case, there is literally no way to ever prove anything.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because it's just, oh, we'll just deny it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's a video of the National File holding the diary and opening it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do we know they didn't write those pages themselves?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And we're entering this age of deepfake.
		That's the argument made about the Hunter Biden laptop.
		Oh, they had it, and you don't know that the Russians didn't get a hold of it, and you don't know that That there wasn't information in it that looked like the Russians had done it, and blah blah blah.
		That's the same argument, but it was still information that was suppressed by the government, told multiple social media networks, don't suppress this information.
		Everyone that's a conservative generally knows that the government doesn't like the conservatives because the conservatives want to limit the government.
		Just the whole narrative.
		Conservatives are like, I want small government.
		I don't think government should do this.
		I don't think government should do that.
		The other side of the aisle is like, we think the government should do all these things plus more.
		And so obviously, the government is interested in its own existence.
		It has an opinion now.
		It's no longer separate from politics.
		It's very much interested in its own opinion.
		It's very much interested in its own...
		I want to ask, I want to talk to Doug about what's going on with your case now.
		are going to feel like, oh, we should be Democrats and we should want to vote for people that are
		going to decide to do more government programs. It's just the nature of government. I want to
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		ask, I want to talk to Doug about what's going on with your case now. Can you tell us basically
unidentified		the gist of how it started and where you're at? Well, what you were saying is exactly what my
		It's about the government trying to expand its power into the realm of disinformation.
		They want to use these statutes to crack down on disinformation.
		Back in 2016, I saw these two funny memes on 4chan and I posted them to Twitter.
		It said, you can text your vote Hillary to 55429, whatever the number was.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Did you actually make those?
unidentified		No, I didn't make the memes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They were 4chan memes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You found images on the internet and posted them on Twitter.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now they want to put you in prison?
unidentified		Exactly.
		For seven months.
		Wow.
		For seven months.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So explain the images real quick.
unidentified		Yeah, so there were just these jokes on 4chan.
		It said, they have a picture of like a Democrat voter and it says, avoid the lines, skip the lines, stay home.
		Text your vote, just text the word Hillary to the short code number.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we actually have it.
unidentified		Yeah, there you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh oh, not anymore, we don't.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's gone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		For six dollars you might have access.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, continue.
unidentified		Yeah, so that was the meme, so I posted it on Twitter.
		Fast forward four years, almost five years.
		And yeah, the FBI came, knocked on my door at seven in the morning down in Florida, and I was arrested.
		I had no idea what I was being arrested for.
		They took me to the courthouse, to a holding cell in West Palm Beach.
		And then after the hearing, they took the leg irons off me and said, you're free to go.
		They gave me the criminal complaint that said, we're charging you with a conspiracy against rights, a conspiracy to injure Oppressed, threaten, or intimidate people in their exercise of their civil rights.
		So this happened in 2021.
		I went to trial in 2023, and a whole bunch of crazy stuff happened.
		They had a confidential informant from a group chat that I was in, and they allowed him to testify anonymously, which usually is reserved only for, let's say, ISIS or the Mexican drug cartels.
		They allow sometimes witnesses to testify anonymously.
		They allowed him to testify anonymously, not because of any credible threat, but because of the possibility that he might face harassment online.
		And so they had this guy up there who I never spoke to anywhere.
		I never met the guy.
		He was a thousand miles away, wherever he was.
		But we were in a group chat together.
		We never spoke.
		even in the group chat otherwise.
		And they asked him, and he just went up there and said whatever they wanted him to.
		They said, did you have a silent conspiracy to injure voters in the right to vote?
		And he said, oh, yes, yes, we had a silent conspiracy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A silent conspiracy?
unidentified		A silent conspiracy over the internet with someone I've never met.
		And the guy also The microchip guy, the guy's name is Microchip.
		Yeah, he just said exactly whatever they wanted him to say.
		It was really unbelievable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You were in Brooklyn?
unidentified		Yeah, I was in Manhattan and they brought the case in Brooklyn.
		That's an issue for appeal, which is really crazy.
		So obviously the Founding Fathers, they didn't want there to be universal jurisdiction for cases because a lot of times the colonists were being dragged back to London and being thrown in the dungeon and tried for crimes, whatever the crime was.
		And so the founders wrote in the Constitution, you have to be tried in the state and district in which the crime was committed.
		So at trial, they argued that the crime was committed in Brooklyn because the tweets went over the internet wires on the bridge, like the Holland Tunnel or whatever, because Brooklyn and Manhattan, they share jurisdiction over the waterways.
		So that was completely insane.
		But the bottom line is that they said that I was part of a conspiracy, even though I wasn't even in these group chats when these people were making these memes.
		So it's kind of like a guilt by association thing.
		That's crazy.
		You know, I testified at trial.
		I said, obviously, I didn't think anybody would look at this meme and think that it was real.
		Because they have to prove intent as part of a conspiracy.
		And come on, it's like, do you really think that anybody would believe that?
		I mean, it's really... You didn't even make it.
		Exactly.
		I didn't make it.
		They introduced all this circumstantial evidence.
		All the evidence was circumstantial.
		And the jury deliberated for three and a half days before, on Friday afternoon, they came back with a verdict.
		So we were, I was thinking, you know, we're going to get a hung jury because it's going to be really difficult to get an acquittal.
		I think that's why they brought the case in Brooklyn.
		Because they don't like Trump.
		So we have the case up on appeal under the First Amendment because look at the statute.
		Injure, intimidate, oppress, threaten people and their right to vote.
		What does that have to do with posting a satire or parody online?
		Even if you're going to say, well, you know, this was a legitimate attempt to try to disenfranchise people.
		Is it really covered under the statute that was written basically so that roving gangs can be prosecuted if they go and like beat up African-Americans as they're going to the polls or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the jury came back and said guilty.
unidentified		The jury came back after the jury was hung twice.
		The third time they came back guilty because under the federal system, the judge can say, well, you know, you need to try harder.
		We don't want you necessarily to change your deeply held conviction.
		But, you know, we spent a lot of time and effort and money investigating this case, defending this case, whatever.
		So go back and, like, try harder.
		And you can see them there squirming around their seats.
		Like, they felt like they were committing a crime or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They want to go home.
unidentified		They don't care.
		Oh, they did want to go home.
		Yeah, they want to go home.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, the first two, like, you get a hung jury two times and, you know, the court's like, oh, go back there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And in a questionable, you know, constitutionally questionable case, obviously if you If your appeal doesn't go through, would you appeal to the Supreme Court?
unidentified		Yeah, we will go to the Supreme Court if we don't win at circuit.
unidentified		What was it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are they going to put you in jail in the meantime?
unidentified		So at the sentencing, you know, I got seven months and my attorney said, you know, well, we're going to move for a bond and the judge denied it outright.
		So we went to the circuit back in December and they actually overturned that decision.
		So I'm out on appeal.
		I was supposed to go to prison on January the 18th.
		And my son had a surgery on the 16th, so that would have sucked.
		But yeah, so I'm out on appeal.
		I'm out on bond.
		And we just argued the case on Friday in front of the Second Circuit, a three-judge panel.
		And it's hard to say which way it's going to go at this point.
		We have a really strong argument on venue, on the First Amendment, on due process, because, like you said, But if they grant appeal, it seems like, you know, so you're saying venue, due process.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they say venue, then it sounds like the feds just bring the case back and they change venue.
unidentified		That's a good question, yeah.
		Depending on how they rule, they could either bring the case back, To the same district and try to prove venue, we have this jury-instructed argument.
		I don't know exactly what the law says because there is a statute of limitations.
		So I don't know if this case is dismissed in that district.
		I'm not sure if they're going to be able to bring the case in another district or if they would want to.
		It's an open question.
		So I'm not exactly sure what will happen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You talk about proving intent.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is your intent?
unidentified		So it's a joke.
		I mean, there's multiple elements of it.
		Obviously, it's satire about, you know, just the requirements that there are to vote.
		For example, one side of the political aisle doesn't want people to have to even show an ID.
		So the idea is it's funny, like, this is what they would do if they had the power.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They literally did almost the exact same thing four years later.
unidentified		Four years later, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're mailing the ballots to people's houses.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not just that, but there was a woman who made a video.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		What was it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was a woman, she told Trump supporters to go text a vote?
unidentified		Right, exactly.
		It was a comedian.
		Which tells you exactly what this is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you guys present that in the case?
unidentified		We were allowed to introduce that into evidence.
		And I was on the stand.
		My attorney was like, what is this?
		And the judge didn't allow me to talk about what it was.
		But we did introduce it into evidence.
		We were allowed to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The jury was allowed to see it?
unidentified		The jury was allowed to see it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It didn't have a phone number on it, which was the difference.
unidentified		It didn't have a phone number on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't say paid for by the Hillary campaign, things like that.
		That was the argument the left made when they were defending the idea that you could make... I mean, first of all, you don't even have Democrat followers.
		You're a Trump influencer talking to Trump supporters, and none of the Trump supporters are going to vote for Hillary.
		It's an absurd argument.
unidentified		Yeah.
		One thing they did say, though, oh, well, he used hashtags.
		So that's targeting.
		And it's like, if anybody was online back then, basically every troll is using the Hillary Clinton hashtags.
		If you had clicked on the hashtag, this is a flood of basically nonsense.
		And my attorney did make the argument.
		It's kind of obvious, you know, you're not supposed to believe everything that you see on Twitter.
		I mean, that's pretty obvious, not to mention anybody can Google how to vote.
		And in two seconds, they're going to figure it out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What was these four things you said?
		Threaten.
		There were four things.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Injure, intimidate, threaten or oppress.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Injure, intimidate.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So is injure like a like a legal phrase?
unidentified		Yeah, it's an open question.
		I mean, there is some case law about that.
		Now, one of the reasons why we're appealing the case is because what they say, the word injure, can mean to hamper, to make it difficult.
		So if the government's going to say that this statute can be used to prosecute deception, then that opens a whole can of worms, especially if you're going to define the word injure as to make difficult.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		So what we say is that if I told you, hey, look, don't vote because it's going to rain tomorrow and it's actually going to be sunny.
		Okay.
		Is that a federal crime?
		You know, that kind of thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And if you're like, you know, Donald Trump did this thing, so don't vote for him.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, is that a crime?
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, what if you said, if you vote for Donald Trump, he's going to arrest, he's going to arrest you for being gay.
unidentified		It's kind of like, right, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's deceptive, inhibiting, threatening, threatening them with injury.
unidentified		Right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's acceptable for one political party, and it's unacceptable for another.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why it's in New York!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, is it public where you were at the time when you posted it?
unidentified		Yeah, I was in Manhattan at the time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were in Manhattan?
unidentified		That's a separate district from where they brought the case.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they said the tweet went over the line into Brooklyn?
unidentified		Yeah, over the wires.
unidentified		Exactly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The way I look at it is, you don't want to mislead people into not voting, obviously.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, they're just trying to prove that they think that was your intention?
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
		They had to prove that there was an agreement, first of all, which is this is copy and pasting a meme.
		And is that an agreement?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Agreement with what?
unidentified		Agreement with other people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And there was none?
unidentified		Because it's a conspiracy, it has to be two or more people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that's where you say they brought these dudes up into the court that you didn't know they were in a group chat that your account was in?
unidentified		Exactly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm in, like, group chats that I don't read.
unidentified		That's exactly right.
unidentified		You can mute them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've done that.
		I'm still in the chat because I'm like, I know people in that chat, I don't read it.
		It's just going on.
		If they're talking about illegal stuff and I'm somehow implicated for not being involved in it, that's insane.
unidentified		Right.
		Exactly.
		And one of the reasons why they prosecuted me is because my account had a lot of followers.
		It was very influential at the time.
		And this is what, you know, they don't care about people who aren't influential, right?
		They go after you for influential.
		So I was all constantly getting invited into group chats.
		I was in dozens of group chats and a lot of, and this one in particular, one of them, people are dumping stuff into the group chat all day long, like 600 messages a day or something like that.
		And it's like, I just click mute on these chats, you know?
		So there has to be an agreement and intent for you to be guilty of a conspiracy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is there evidence that you muted those chats?
unidentified		So now, because the account's long gone, we don't have access to it anymore, that would have been interesting if we could log in and look and say, look, this chat's been used.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Twitter might still have it, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's probably still there, because if you delete it, the data might still be available.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Probably is.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		I'm sure it's there.
		I don't know if they would be able to find if this chat or that chat were actually muted.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can see.
		If an account mutes a chat, you would know.
		The administrators would know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you don't win the appeal, do you appeal again?
unidentified		Uh, to the Supreme Court.
		Yeah.
		Yep.
		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		Because, like I said, this case is bigger than me because this is about our liberties as Americans.
		So I think I'm obligated to appeal it.
		I mean, not only do I I think I'm innocent.
		I don't think that I committed this crime that I'm accused of committing.
		But not only that, it's the principle of it.
		Not only in my case, but we are arguing that you can't be arrested for something when your conduct is not clearly established to be illegal.
		If they're going to use a statue and start arresting people, Well, they can come up with a novel theory for something you said, and they say, well, we're not going to, we're only arresting people for misinformation about the right to vote.
		And it's like, you can trust us, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a 1A violation instantly, and they would literally just start arresting anybody because they're, oh, you're disinformation.
unidentified		If they get away with it, that's exactly right.
		And they say, well, we have a First Amendment in this country.
		We can't, you know, we can't make disinformation illegal, but they're constantly trying to subvert the First Amendment and the Constitution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that's the real issue here, is they want to make, they need precedent to say, disinformation is injury, therefore it's illegal.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't see how you would lose this on appeal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unless the Supreme Court just says, we don't care.
unidentified		Yeah, if they don't take the case, right?
unidentified		But in this kind of case, you think they kind of have to take it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's a big deal, because a lot of people shared that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a big deal.
unidentified		Yeah, a lot of people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, the fact that you didn't even make it is another, you know, another significant... Yeah, but what about the other people who were on 4chan who posted it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nothing?
unidentified		Nobody, nobody.
		Nobody got arrested.
		They have some people that were unindicted co-conspirators, and the inform, the cooperator, he got arrested.
		He got, you know, he pled guilty.
		The cooperator, the cooperator pled guilty.
		So they twisted his arm and he got up there and said basically the exact opposite of what he had always said, of what he told the FBI, of what he told journalists.
		You know, look, I just try to create chaos and freak people out and that kind of thing and get attention.
		Well, you post this meme, obviously part of the intent Is that maybe the left will freak out about it.
		And that's exactly what happened.
		BuzzFeed, all these people covered this meme.
		And here's what's crazy about it too.
		Basically, when I posted it, it was on this small account because my original account had been suspended.
		And only like 200 maybe people texted the number.
		And a lot of people seeing what happened, they text Hillary for prison to the number.
		Or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there was an actual number?
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		They went and subpoenaed the shortcode company that owned the shortcode.
		After this was picked up by BuzzFeed and Wired, then like four or five thousand more people texted the number.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so they propagated the meme.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They posted the meme.
unidentified		Which was exactly the point.
unidentified		You post this kind of thing, and then you see what happens, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But they posted it with context, but it still got more texts after they posted it with context because they propagated the meme.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And so, how many people, after you posted it, actually texted Hillary to that number?
unidentified		So initially it was only like 200 or even less.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who said Hillary?
unidentified		Oh, who actually said Hillary?
		Most of them said Hillary.
		A few of them said Hillary for prison or whatever, that kind of thing.
		But yeah, how many people actually said Hillary?
		What the FBI always said is that 4,900 people texted the number.
		A lot of them said Hillary, but these are people that want to see what happened.
		For example, journalists were like, I texted the number and here's what happened.
		So yeah, it was really crazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And there was no one that ever wanted to testify that they had been one of the ones that… Great point.
unidentified		So yeah, exactly.
		The FBI went around the Eastern District of New York, which is the district where I was prosecuted, knocking on people's doors.
		They looked them up.
		Did you text the number?
		Because they had the numbers.
		And people either said they didn't remember texting it or like, there's no way I would believe that.
		Are you kidding me?
		Like, I'm not an idiot.
		We have the 302s in Discovery.
		Nobody, not one person said, oh yeah, I believe this and I texted the number.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So there were no, no one claimed injury.
unidentified		Exactly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that would take injury off of the... So no one was threatened.
		Well, I guess that's undetermined.
		That's interesting.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No one was threatened.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There was no threats made in the meme.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The argument would be that it's a threat to their ability to vote, but if that's, you know, only if they were to claim like, hey, you wronged me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you would need someone to at least, I think, explain that they felt threatened.
unidentified		Exactly.
		So with fraud statutes, you have to have an injured party, right?
		But in this case, you don't even have to have an injured party.
		You just have to have a conspiracy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's one or the other?
unidentified		No, it's just conspiracy.
		That's all you need.
		The government, all they need to say is there was a conspiracy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So that's like one guy saying, hey, share this meme, and then you're doing it as opposed to you being like, cool meme and sharing it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That makes, that's the difference?
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		So they just say I was in league with all these other people in these group chats.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm fascinated to find out about the mute status of your account, because if you had all that stuff muted, you weren't listening.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't coming up in your feed.
unidentified		Well, it wasn't the feed, it was the direct message groups, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I meant.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		And you get on there and it's like, oh, you have 800 new messages in this chat.
		It's like, you just click that button, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I got one now.
unidentified		Scroll to the end.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking about leaving the group chat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to do it, guys.
unidentified		but I don't watch. So you might want to leave the group chat because you don't know you might be
unidentified		held liable for something that they're saying there. Millions of people in group chats. Yeah,
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		you don't guilt buy association in this country. That is not the way we run this thing. That was
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		communist. And what have I been saying about where we're currently at in this country? That
		you have a rogue mafia doing whatever they want.
		The left doesn't recognize it.
		They firebomb federal buildings and mostly get away with it.
		Only at the state level in Georgia are they actually getting pursued.
		And then it's the right that are just like, here I go.
		And this is my issue with police.
		And I've been critical of the idea of backing the blue.
		And a lot of conservatives don't seem to get it.
		The example is the Proud Boys in New York.
		When Antifa started fights, And the Proud Boys, like, Antifa surrounded a speech at this Young Republicans Club or something, where Gavin McInnes was speaking, throwing things at people, screaming at people.
		Some Proud Boys came out and said, alright, let's go.
		And I would describe it as they engaged in mutual combat.
		Now, to be fair, some might say, well, when you're surrounded by Antifa on all these different blocks and they're harassing everybody, eventually you're just like, what do you do?
		You charge through them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The point is, they fought.
		When the cops showed up, the Proud Boys said, thank you, officer, here's all of my information.
		Antifa said, run!
		And then the cops went, well, they're gone, so you guys turn around, put your hands behind your back, you're going to prison.
		And they got four years.
		These Proud Boys got four years because they decided to cooperate with police because they're good, honest Proud Boys!
		That's right, good, honest, back the blue!
		Thank you, officer, they said as they got marched off, ripped from their children's arms.
unidentified		That's the anarcho-tyranny.
unidentified		Anarchy for the lawless and tyranny for the law-abiding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's what we currently have right now.
		You had Steve Baker, the journalist, marched away in shackles for covering January 6th, where even in the charging documents, they're like, he's walking around with a camera narrating to himself what's going on.
		I'm like, yeah, that's called reporting.
		It's a guy who's with journalists and filming what's happening.
		And there were other journalists there.
		Another journalist didn't get charged.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because he called them insurrectionists.
		So you basically have a mafia being like, you say what we want you to say, maybe it all goes away, huh?
		Maybe you're a journalist, you win some awards.
		But maybe you don't like what we do so much, we put you in prison.
		And that's exactly what's happening right now.
		And it's the Trump supporters just like, well, gee golly, I gotta back the blow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't like where people are, like, working with law enforcement and getting busted for it when the people that run away from them aren't getting busted.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's really messed up, because that incentivizes people to not comply, like, even if they're doing good, because they don't want to get roped into some scheme.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's go to Super Chats!
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		Clint Torres says, howdy people!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hi Clint.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tim, rumors of my kidnapping on Friday were greatly exaggerated.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do not- I do not end up in someone's basement tied up upside down and naked with a ball gig in my mouth without having been paid good money for it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How good?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How good is good?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Smallmouseinabigfield says, make the ATF a drive-thru chain store.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, when I need alcohol, tobacco, firearms, I go to the ATF drive-thru.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They have drive-thru alcohol stores.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess you're selling sealed bottles.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Ohio, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You have to.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty well-known.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, you can't go in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They bring them to your car, and they... It was like a drive-in, where you drive into this, like, car wash thing, and then they, like, come out and give you... Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		Okay, Juan Castle says, Tim, how do you not get depressed with all the news?
		I don't understand the question.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think I can answer.
		It's skating.
		I skated today.
		I was doing push shove-its.
		Pop shove-its?
		Pop shove-its, yeah.
		And man, the core workout, there's nothing else you can get sad about when you're worried, when you're focused on your body, when you're feeling your body.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would simply say, how do you get depressed?
		This is the world.
		It's like saying, I figured out the truth today and it made me sad.
		Whereas I'm like, I read the truth all day, every day.
		How do you get sad?
		This is the world.
		It's like, this is baseline.
		You know, like when the news comes out that there's Skittles and rainbows, I'll be happy, I guess.
		Oof, I got bad allergies, man.
		That's pollen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you want some water?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not gonna help.
		Brandon Long says, happy 1000th show.
		Thanks, Brandon.
		1000 shows!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Big deal.
unidentified		1000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of shows.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's been, uh... I've been doing this for just over 3 years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've been doing the Tim Pool Daily Show podcast for going on, what, 8 years?
		7 years?
		I think I've been doing this for 4 years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, 2020.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was during COVID.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That would make it just over three years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was 21?
unidentified		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Man, my last four years have been kind of a blur for me, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, COVID was 2020 because the COVID-19 was from the 2019.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Has it been four years?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Four years.
		Thereabouts.
		You and Adam started in like January, February, I think, of 2020.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was the end of January.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It came out like March or April or something.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Badass.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's too many years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're right, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Here's to four more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Four more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Forty more!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll be old, we'll have no viewers left, everyone will be dead, and everyone will be on Slim Slam, the new social media platform where you plug your brain into the Neuralink.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we'll be going like, where are these kids listening to?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'll plug into a Bacta tank when I'm like 600 with you if you want to neural net this show from our minds.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now I'll be like, I'll be like, what's his face?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it Mr. House or whatever from New Vegas?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll just be like decrepit and wired into a machine being like, hello!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		As long as we can help people, man, I'm into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're gonna be like, you guys are old, your ideas are bad, it's time to die.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Mmm, that's a good point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Daniel Domicic says, can we repeal the 19th already or have Andrew Tate be the Secretary
		of Patriarchy with fresh and fit as deputies?
		That New York City story was nonsensical feminist garbage.
		What was that one?
		Did you guys see Wired claimed that Andrew Tate was a convicted human trafficker?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I read that and went, whoa, whoa, he's not convicted of anything.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, lawsuit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hope he sues him.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I really hope he does, man.
		I mean, he's, I don't know what's going on with his assets, but I'm pretty sure he's still got money.
		I hope he just puts a lawyer on like a million dollar retainer and says, just, just take care of it.
		Cause you, you can't call someone a convicted human trafficker.
		That's defamation per se.
		Like Wired will be ordered to pay out instantly.
		They know they lost.
		That's wild that got through their editorial, uh, their editors.
		Let's go!
		David Violet says, maybe we could host private MTG tournaments at select Casper locations.
		I mean, we could.
		I don't like Hasbro.
		You know?
		Maybe we need to make our game and get, uh, the, um... What is it?
		What is the game called that we're making?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The current one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um... Culture War or something?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was the first one we were working on.
		We've got a couple that we have worked on.
		The most recent one is, uh, Debate Me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Debate Me!
		Right.
		That's it.
		That's it.
		Debate Me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was good.
		It's simple too.
		I like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so Debate Me is basically everybody gets two cards from the... It's a shared deck game, everybody gets two cards.
		And you get two characters of varying acumen.
		And so, like, the most power... There's left, right, center, and establishment.
		And the most powerful of each is the prime.
		So, like, Obama is the prime establishment debater.
		And then it's like, you know, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, or whatever.
		And then on the left you have... I don't know, who's a prominent leftist, like AOC or something.
		And then on the right you have like Trump and Alex Jones and then basically the uh everybody will look at their cards and if they have a good debate team they will invite followers from from their social media to the debate and whoever wins the debate wins all the followers.
		You see how this works?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Just like real life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so basically, there's a bunch of different formats, but everybody gets two cards, you look at your debate team, you say, okay, I'm gonna invite all my followers, or I'm gonna invite ten followers, because my team's not that good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then someone says, okay, I'll invite ten followers, and then the followers come to the debate, then three more players, debaters, come out to join your ranks, and whoever has the best five-card debate team wins all the followers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who makes the best argument?
		What's the best argument?
		Then you find out.
		My argument is, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so like, if you have Barack Obama and Alex Jones, you have two prime debaters, it's
		a pair of prime debaters, it beats a pair of level 10 debaters.
		And so for anybody who knows what poker is, they're like, you're just describing poker.
		That's right.
		The difference with this game is that there's going to be the base set and then there's cards with special abilities.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, those are fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So some of the cards, uh, there's like, I think, I think for Kamala Harris, she, she's a, uh, like a level.
		So it's the way it works is there's levels one through 10, I think.
		Is that what we did?
unidentified		And then there's a one through 10 and then there's like.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, it's one through twelve, and then the prime card.
		And prime is like, it can, it can, it's basically an ace.
		And so we made with Kamala Harris, she, she's effectively, in terms of playing card, she is labeled a jack, but the special ability on it says this card can actually only be played as a six.
		Oh no, is that Kamala?
		Yeah, I think.
		Oh no, no, I think that's Karine Jean-Pierre.
		Like, she is in the administration, but everyone knows she should not actually be of that, like, you know, job.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Her value is not what her name tag says.
		Sorry, Corinne, I don't know you.
		I'd love to know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But no, but the thing is, that's not a bad thing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You can just watch enough of the press conferences and you'll see she's cool going out to the bar, getting a drink with that girl, she cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is actually not a bad thing.
		For anybody who knows poker, this means in one deck you can have five sixes.
		Which means it's easier to make- you can make five of a kind, which actually, if you get four sixes plus screenshot up here, you have an unbeatable hand.
		It beats a royal flush.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a really powerful card.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's extremely rare, but it would make the most pow- it would make it- she would be the most powerful card as a component of the most powerful hand.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It would beat, effectively, a royal flush.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		As she does.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which we would call an administration.
		Like a royal flush would be like, you know, you have Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, whatever.
		But, uh, basically the actual function of the game is it's based on poker, but the cards are gonna have varying rarities, and you construct the deck however you want.
		The cards are gonna be nuts, like, uh, the golden God Emperor Trump card that we're making?
		It, uh, it could, it, it, the single card in and of itself?
		Is as strong as pocket aces.
		So it's like this card instantly will be, you know, is valued as two prime debaters.
		And we even have cards where it's like, if you have this card, you win the debate upon revealing it.
		And some people are like, well, that's too powerful of a card to have in a game.
		It's a shared deck game, meaning you choose the cards you want in it because anyone could get any card.
		So if you don't like that card, don't play with it.
		So it's really like- Oh, I love that.
		Yeah, so it's a wild game, and we've got most of the mechanics already set up and done, and it's really simple.
		It's basically just super simple poker, but with fun trading cards that can do silly things.
		So it's meant- it's not meant to be played seriously like poker is.
		It's meant to be more silly, like, my Trump debates are Jordan Peterson.
		It'd be fun.
		Cody Justin Fannin says, Carrie Lake has no principles.
		She caves to get political points.
		Abortion is murder.
		Yeah, you know, it's funny because I love the Republicans admitting that abortion is a losing issue.
		It's the right move.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely the right move.
		The idea that you're going to be able to win if you just are like taking the position, we're going to outlaw abortion.
		It's a loser.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's not so many people that won't vote for Joe Biden, but if they're told that it's going to make abortion illegal, they will vote for Joe Biden.
		So don't do that.
		You got a lot of voters that don't want to vote for that guy right now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		A lot of the voting that happens nowadays is voting against people.
		People didn't vote for Joe Biden, they voted against Donald Trump.
		People didn't vote for Donald Trump, they voted against Hillary Clinton.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump's abortion stance, he should have come out and been like, my official position on abortion is that it should be completely legal, we gotta bring back Roe v. Wade, it was a big mistake, and anyone can get an abortion whenever they want.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because Republicans will still vote for him.
unidentified		And then Democrats are gonna be like, what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there are already group chats where people are saying, don't worry about what Trump is saying.
		We know his record on abortion.
		What he's saying is just to win votes, and we know what he would do with power.
		So Trump just needs to come out and be like, no, no, we want all the states to legalize it.
		Women should be allowed to get abortions at any point, even after the baby's born.
		I don't care, quite literally, do whatever you want.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's something that we say over and over, but Trump is a New York City Democrat.
		That's from 10 years ago.
		That's it.
		Like he is not in any way a conservative.
		The left is insane and anti-American.
		So Donald Trump being like, you know what?
		I don't hate America means that he is like the conservative.
		That's all it is.
		It's the whole, you know, the left is so far left.
		So the center seems like it's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was always when he ran as a Republican in 2016, I thought he was going to go independent or maybe even Democrat at first, but the Democratic Party is already wrapped up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ben Hickson says, do you record the show separate to the live stream as contingency?
		Stop funny business.
		If so, where would you upload clean recording?
		We do, and the clean recording is used for all podcast platforms.
		So when you listen on Apple or Spotify or whatever it is, you Google podcasts, that is the clean recording, not the streamed version.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what we have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Juan Castle says, cheers to episode 1000!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		God bless you all.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Grofty says spin that UFO, Ian, and roll that beautiful bean footage.
		What is that?
		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Big beans.
unidentified		I'm gonna spin it till it starts to wobble.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Look at that!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's wobbling because you're aiming the duster at a downward angle.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can you get it going?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever watch a thing spin so fast that it explodes?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You need to keep it aimed directly at the side, so what happens is...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This thing is levitating, and when you blow down, it pushes one side, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that sends that downward motion wobbling back and forth, which limits the amount of spin the thing can achieve because it's gonna wobble out of control.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if you put it right at the edge... I'm spinning it in reverse.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I'm slowing it down.
		Nice.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's like magic.
unidentified		Yes!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue then is it spins so fast that it's trying to, it pushes it out of the magnetic field.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that's spinning much faster because I wasn't pushing down on it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think, was it a magnet spinning and then it exploded?
		Did you guys see that video?
		It just spins, spins, spins, and there's like...
unidentified		It's over.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they use a water pressure thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I should find it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a video where they take a skateboard wheel and they use a water jet, like a water
		cutter and it spins it so fast, the wheel, and this is hard urethane, just explodes.
		It gets bigger and bigger and it just blows up.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go.
		Greg Dubier says, I believe it is 2020.
		I believe it is in 2020 being an All That Remains fan.
		The YouTube algorithm showed my clips of Phil's episode.
		I've been watching since.
unidentified		Ah, okay, I see, I see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we had one, I gotta read, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, it's nice knowing you all, for my stakes will stay medium and my eggs will stay over easy.
		It's better than punched in the face by male rage.
		Go 1000.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Go 1,000, Raymond.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're running stories now where they're like, due to the bird flu outbreak, you must cook your steaks medium well or well done.
		Your eggs must be cooked all the way through.
		No more over-easy or sunny-side up.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Weren't those the same people talking trash on Trump's steaks back in the day, too?
		Not to say they aren't bad.
		I wouldn't cook a steak like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the recommendation now is to have no runny eggs at all, Craig.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No runny eggs.
		And no soft-boiled.
		It's got to be hard-boiled or scrambled.
		And steaks have to be cooked all the way through.
		But as everybody knows, once you cook the steak through, you just throw it in the garbage.
		Because it's ruined.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because it's ruined.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what they're basically saying is, eat garbage, which I won't do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um, so I will continue to eat my steaks.
unidentified		Rare.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, honestly, it just gives me blue.
		Just don't even cook it.
		You know what I mean?
		Like pan sear it, just shh, shh, and then here you go.
		Just, just raw.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking about that restaurant I told you about earlier.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to mention it on air because I want to go there this weekend.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then I'll tell you about it next week.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Lion says, the first TimCast IRL episode I watched was not an episode, it was a tour of the van.
		The first TimCast video I ever watched was about the Oberlin University bakery case.
		It's been a wild ride, Tim.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for watching.
		Yeah.
		TimCast IRL, the original idea was I could do the Tim Pool Daily Show on the road, in the van, which is sitting outside.
		And so that means I would have my daily podcast every day, and then once I could drive around and go wherever I wanted.
		And then what I would do is I'd stop at various universities, put up a table, and then do Timcast IRL, meaning I would just have general conversations with people about whatever they wanted to talk about.
		And then COVID happened.
		So here we are.
		Now I'm trapped in a box and I can't leave.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you still have the van.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but IRL is something different.
		So it's like the first thing I did was like, here's a tour of the van, and instantly got like 70,000 subscribers to the new channel.
		And I was like, it's going to be travel, it's going to be on the ground talking with regular people.
		And then COVID happened.
		So then I was like, we can't go anywhere or do anything.
		So we'll just The original idea for the show was actually to talk about UFOs, ghosts, murder mysteries, and nonsense.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we had the chupacabra lined up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We had the weird wild, we were gonna call it, or something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should still do some crazy- Well, Shane's doing that one now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
		Inverted World Sundays.
		It's gonna be on Sundays?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And it's gonna be like people calling in, telling their stories.
		So it's gonna be really fun.
		But the original idea, like one of the first videos, you can go way back and look at these, they're all on the channel, was Skinwalker Ranch, just generally talking about weird fun things.
		And then we didn't have any guests because, like, the lockdown, but early on we had a couple guests and we talked about dating and just random stuff.
		The idea was, I was just like, well, we can't go anywhere because it's getting crazy with the lockdown, so what can we do?
		And I was like, I can make more segments than just the ones I'm already doing on subjects that are unrelated to news and politics.
		And then for a variety of reasons, the show was not that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Those were such warm days, man.
		I moved out to your place while you and Adam were doing the show, and I was like baking bread while you guys were doing the show.
		And I remember after the show, they'd come in, we'd be like, yo, let's play Magic!
		And we'd all hang out.
		That was so fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that was also the show I did at 10.
		Now we do an hour-long after show.
		So become a member at TimCast.com, because quite literally, it's an entirely different podcast, Monday through Thursdays at 10pm, where people call into the show.
		And I wonder if there, you know, I don't know, we got to do better marketing.
		I bet if we did good marketing, we'd have way more members and be doing a lot more.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think so too, because we got, we got Gamer Maids, we got Pop Culture Crisis, we have huge shows on this network, and we got Inverted World coming up, and it's also, we got a lot of content.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Pop Culture Crisis is doing really well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have over 100,000 subs now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think they just hit their 500th episode.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what are they hitting, like 1,500 concurrence on their streams now?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we do between 1,000 and 1,500 usually when I'm there.
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Shout out to Brett Sassevic and Mary Morgan.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'll be there tomorrow and Wednesday and Thursday.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's all about the grind, man.
		I remember when they started and they were getting like 100, 200.
		Yeah.
		Then there was one day where it was like they were 1,000.
		Then I tuned in a month or two ago and it was like 1,400 and I was like, they're killing it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Consistent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the game, man.
unidentified		I love those guys, actually.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think Mary is out on the West Coast or something right now?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're filling in for Mary?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gaming Slosh says, can you have Carrie Lake on again to explain her newfound position on abortion?
		See new press release.
		Thanks for all you do.
		Is that where she's like, I agree with Trump?
		Here's what I would do.
		If I was a conservative who was staunchly pro-life and said abortion should be banned, and then Trump came out and said, no, it should go to the states, I would not come out and go, oh, wow, you know, it should be.
		I'd come out and say, I've long held deep convictions about opposing abortion, but I recognize the realities are going to be We have to respect the state's limit, and while that's not necessarily the position I would like to see, it's the reality that I will accept, and I will take Donald Trump's lead on the issue.
		That being said, I am not staunchly pro-life.
		I do think abortion is wrong, especially in the instance of literally just killing babies because they're using it as contraception, but I think...
		I think Trump is wrong.
		I do not believe it is a state's issue.
		I do not believe it is morally consistent to say that you believe it's murder, but that also states can decide when murder is allowed to happen.
		Like, well, it's a woman's choice whether or not she kills someone.
		No, it isn't.
		So the Supreme Court needs to answer the question.
		And, uh, and Ian.
		I got 50 billion messages from everybody about your statement where you said, can you prove a baby's alive?
unidentified		And they all said, no, I babies, you mean infant in the womb?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I always say that's living.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't say, is it a human?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so you said until you can like read the baby's mind of it saying, I don't want to die.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are tons of videos where they did ultrasounds during abortions and the baby fights for its life.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've seen those.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So then it's already proven to you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm talking about the really little ones, like two, 20 weeks, 25 weeks.
		They might have pain tolerance, but when they can think and they can communicate
		and tell you, like really let you know, I think in a way, not just an animal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think trying not to die.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like that is not that.
		Like this is so outside of the realm of possibility, because like
		when you're first born, you can't even see like.
		You don't have the ability to conceptualize things.
		You couldn't communicate with a baby.
		If you had telepathy, you wouldn't be able to get something back.
		I think you could.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It might not be English.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, you couldn't.
		If this were real, right?
		Because I don't believe any of this.
		I think this is all make-believe.
		But if you could telepathically communicate with a baby, it would be emotions you could get, and that's it.
		Because there's no larger concepts.
		It takes words To understand concepts.
		That's how we think.
		The reason there's no... Okay, let's read some more.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can sense fear from the baby in the womb.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can watch it!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know that it jerks and moves.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's like an animalistic reaction to getting jabbed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's no answer that will satisfy you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've talked about this for hours.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm not trying to solve it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're like, unless the baby can tell you.
		I don't know how... It hasn't learned to speak.
		Babies can't talk for like... They can't communicate effectively for a year or whatever.
		So, a baby in the womb resisting being aborted I think is about as close as you could possibly get.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's probably, it's likely that if, like, if you were to go in and try to, like, reach in with forceps to try to help the baby be born, right?
		No malicious intent.
		You're not trying to, to kill it.
		Like, if the baby could actually communicate, it'd be like, holy crap, I'm terrified!
unidentified		Stop!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's too cold!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, like, you're not gonna get, like, it's, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's read some more superchats.
		We got Michael Bullock who says, I disagree!
		it's not that conservatives would say there is no longer a government.
		More like, quote, our government no longer operates under its imposed limits and we invoke
		the duty of the people under the Declaration of Independence.
		I disagree.
		I don't agree, Michael.
		Because conservatives already are saying the government no longer operates.
		They've been saying for years it's a corrupt mafia system, and it's a two-tiered system of justice.
		And for four years they've been claiming that Joe Biden's not even the real president, and no one has invoked anything under the declaration.
		I do not believe that'll happen.
		What is more likely to happen is there's gonna be some morbidly obese redneck guy living in the sticks who's gonna be like, I ain't no government as far as I can tell.
		We had a bunch of people come in and steal everything from us.
		Best get the boys rounded up so we can stop the bandits from taking our donkeys again.
		And then they're gonna go out with their guns, and they're gonna form their own patrols, their own watch groups, and then when the federal government comes, they're gonna be like, I know nothing about nothing, I know who you are, you ain't welcome here.
		And they're gonna be like, we're the government, I ain't no idea what you're talking about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's why you need decentralized peace, because if they don't have phones, and they really have literally no communication, they have no idea who these people are coming to take stuff, that's a real problem.
		That's a real problem.
		It's not ideological, it's a legitimate de facto, they don't know what's going on.
		You can't force them to take information.
		You can't, like, Inject it.
		If they don't want a phone, if they don't want to participate.
		And that's why we built this society as we have with local government.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue I'm saying is, I'm not worried about a moment when conservatives stand up and go, I hereby declare the government is corrupt and declare a redress of grievances under our sacred duty.
		And then a bunch of conservatives go, here, here, and bang their steins together.
		And then they say, the new Sons of Liberty is born.
		1776 will rise again.
		No, that's meaningless to me.
		What's scary is far leftists firebombing federal buildings, most of them not getting criminally charged, roving gangs taking over city streets on numerous occasions, and then the final straw on the camel's back is people on the right who live in small towns.
		You know, I drove through the panhandle of Oklahoma.
		And there are some small towns, really, like 120 people and there's nothing for 50 miles.
		It's wild when you really get out there in the middle of nowhere.
		And I'm talking about these places where they have a bunch of guns and they're just like, look.
		We had some guy come in and kill somebody.
		We had another guy come in and stole a tractor.
		A gun's gone missing.
		There is no sheriff.
		There is no FBI.
		There is no law enforcement.
		They don't answer anymore.
		We call them on the phone.
		They're not there.
		What do we do?
		And then some guy goes, I think we're gonna have to form our own patrol.
		And they go, okay.
		and then they have their own patrol.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then one day when a federal officer is driving through, they stop them and say, can I help you?
		And he goes, yeah, what is this?
		He's like, I'm a FBI.
		And they go, I don't know what you're talking about, sir.
		You're gonna have to turn this car around and leave because you're not welcome to come through here.
		We have emergency going on and we've set up a checkpoint.
		And then he's gonna say, I'm the government.
		You have to listen to me.
		And they say, no, you're gonna turn around right now because we don't know who you are.
		That's what I'm talking about.
		When that kind of, when the right engages in effectively what the left is already doing.
		Whereas they begin operating as though there was no government.
		In Seattle and Portland, they march around their streets with rifles.
		And they point them at people.
		There was one instance where a bunch of far leftists were armed with AR-15s, and they were blocking intersections, and a car pulled up, and they pointed the rifles at the guy, so he drew his pistol and he pointed it back at them.
		When the right starts acting in that way, then it's just... But here's what we're going to do.
		We're going to go to the Members Only Show.
		So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with all your friends, and head over to TimCast.com right now.
		The Members Only Show will be live in a couple of minutes.
		You don't want to miss it.
		And we can use your support as members because that's what makes everything work.
		You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
		You can follow me personally at TimCast.
		Doug, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
		So this case is extremely expensive.
		You can go to memedefensefund.com to donate.
		Like I said, if we go to the Supreme Court, it's going to get extremely expensive.
		So everybody, please go to memedefensefund.com or you can go to my Twitter, Doug Mackey Case, and there are alternative ways to donate, crypto, there's a give, send, go, that kind of thing.
		So everyone, please go there and chip in so that we can fight this.
		We can win the case, but, you know, I need support.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are you looking to hit an upper limit?
unidentified		Right now, I would say we're probably looking at, we need like a half a million dollars.
unidentified		Cool.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
		I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
		The band is All That Remains.
		You can follow us on Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, YouTube, you know, the internet.
		And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm Ian Crossland.
		See you guys.
		I love you guys in the chat.
		So thank you for chatting.
		It's really, really, really entertaining.
		It's nice to have this in front of me while we're talking.
		I try to get distracted.
		I almost talk about the chat sometimes.
		And also to all you guys listening that aren't in the chat, come chat sometime.
		But also, bless you.
		Thank you for listening and enjoying the show.
		I had a really great time.
		Thanks for coming, Doug.
		And I want to shout out your defense fund.
		It's MemeDefenseFund.
		MemeDefenseFund.com.
unidentified		Exactly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cool stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		See you later, man.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Appreciate it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Uh, yeah, I'm Surge.com.
		I've been watching this show for a long time.
		It's like right after the pandemic began and I'm just stoked to be here.
		I was in the chat too.
		You can make it, guys.
		Anyways, cheers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll see you all over at TimCast.com.

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