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tim pool
Everything went according to plan.
The Super Bowl, that is.
I, myself, made a nice, humble $100 bet on the Chiefs.
But I wasn't really betting on the Chiefs.
I was betting on the narrative.
And the narrative played out perfectly.
The 49ers were ahead for the first half.
Then the Chiefs slowly start to push ahead, but not quite enough.
The 49ers are close to winning.
It gets tied game overtime at the very last minute with seconds left.
Bang!
Chiefs win and I win $101.
How about that?
And following that, the Democrats posted a dark Brandon meme saying something like that's exactly like, you know, exactly how they had planned it or whatever, insinuated that they've rigged the Super Bowl.
And of course, now a bunch of people have replaced the image of dark Brandon with the the red and the blue line with the blue line jumping up over the red line, indicating that Joe Biden cheated in the 2020 election.
It's all good fun, isn't it?
But we'll talk about the Super Bowl while we were all enjoying our good sporting event.
The Senate was pushing forward a bill to fund the war in Ukraine and Israel.
Oh boy.
And Israel was bombing Rafa, so there are certainly some serious things going on around the world.
But outside of all of that, Kamala Harris says she's ready to serve.
As a conversation has erupted, a serious political crisis over Joe Biden's broken brain.
Well, they're going to be giving him a fitness test, but he will not take a cognitive test.
And we know why.
Because, you know, his brain's broken.
So it looks like Kamala may be getting ready to step up, but I gotta be honest, I'm not so sure that we will see a replacement of Joe Biden in the way that we thought.
It may be that Democrats have already resigned to him losing, and they're now planning to set traps so that Donald Trump can't do anything if he does win.
J.D.
Vance points out That in this funding bill for the war in Ukraine, if Trump tries to do anything when he becomes president, they can impeach him.
I gotta be honest, it's a bad thing, but kind of a good sign they expect Trump to win.
So we'll get into all of that stuff.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Dr. Michael Recktenwald.
michael rectenwald
Hello, Tim.
How are you doing?
tim pool
I'm good.
Who are you?
michael rectenwald
I am Michael Rechtenwald.
I am the former NYU professor.
Cancelled by the left.
Cancelled by the right.
I'm the Javier Millet of the USA.
tim pool
So, afuera.
I did see you tweeted, I think Elon Musk said, Javier Mele, we need all of these things in the United States.
Was that you who tweeted, that's what I want to do?
michael rectenwald
Well, yeah, I think that's what one of my followers tweeted that.
Yeah, that's what I will do.
tim pool
Just start cutting off all the government agencies, shutting them down.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I mean, his metaphor was the chainsaw.
Mine's the wrecking ball.
tim pool
The wrecking ball!
All right.
Should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Hannah-Claire hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
I'm really happy to be here with you tonight.
Phil's here, too.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil LaBonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
Anti-communist, counter-revolutionary.
We're here with Serge.
How you doing, homie?
serge du preez
Yo, I am here, Serge.com.
I'm ready when you are, Tim.
tim pool
Here we go!
Deadline!
Just like we drew it up, Joe Biden's dark Brandon reacts to Chiefs Super Bowl win.
All right, so everybody probably knows already what happened yesterday with the Super Bowl.
Well, following the Chiefs victory, the Democrats are acting like they rigged it because there is a
conspiracy theory that the NFL is rigged or scripted and that Kelsey had to, or I should say the Chiefs
had to win because Kelsey's relationship with Taylor Swift and that after they win the Super Bowl
there's going to be some coming endorsement from the lovely couple and and all that jazz. I
think it was mostly a PR stunt between Kelsey and Taylor Swift.
I don't think their relationship is real.
However, we counted, and I think we saw Taylor Swift during the game 12 times.
They showed her.
So that's more than basically anybody else.
I think it's all PR.
I don't think that there's a grand conspiracy to have Taylor Swift endorse Joe Biden, but one thing I am seeing now following all of this is that politicians have started identifying themselves as Swifties, and the news has started reporting that Trump quote-unquote slams Taylor Swift, when he didn't, because Trump issued a statement that, you know, Taylor couldn't endorse Joe Biden because I signed the Music Modernization Act or whatever, which helped her.
I think the play now is they're actually making it look like Trump is against Taylor Swift because they're trying to rile up her fans against Trump.
And, you know, it's really frustrating that there are people on the right who don't care that there is no political upside to the Super Bowl, Taylor Swift, PSYOP narrative.
They just keep running with it and getting as many views as possible.
And the media is laughing all the way to the bank as they try and politicize Taylor Swift's fan base.
hannah claire brimelow
Which is crazy because she's going to save our birthright.
I mean, Taylor Swift ushering in a new era of making marriage cool again, making commitment and families great.
She went to the Super Bowl with Blake Lively, who's married to Ryan Reynolds and has like four kids.
I think I think there is really a missed opportunity to seize this for what it is, which is that women actually like to settle down and she's trying to seize the opportunity.
But I actually didn't watch the Super Bowl at all.
So I didn't say I was super dedicated to it.
phil labonte
I didn't watch the game either, but the whole thing of like jumping onto this as a rage bait thing, there's some, you know, people out there that are just doing it because it's content.
I think that that's a terrible, terrible thing, but just because it's bad for America.
hannah claire brimelow
And that's not love.
People should believe in young love.
phil labonte
Look, I'm very, very adamant about the fact that the goal in the culture war is not to defeat people that disagree with you.
It's to convince them to come to your side.
When you make a fight about everything, especially about the most popular entertainer in America, arguably in the world, when you make a fight, pick a fight with them over literally nothing, Just so that way you can get some likes, you're hurting whatever you say your cause is.
tim pool
I just want to take a look at this picture of Joe Biden with glowing red eyes, because it's become like... You know, when people make pictures of Donald Trump all ripped, some people do it seriously, but for the most part, when you see that flag where Trump is riding a tank with a velociraptor and a machine gun, we know it's meant to be silly and a gag.
Okay.
And, you know, it's kind of like, okay, we get it.
unidentified
We get it.
tim pool
It's funny.
But having somebody who can barely speak, did you see the latest video from him?
It's crazy.
He's like, I don't want to run a list, you know, no time.
And I'm like, Did he just say something about not running through a list or something like that?
hannah claire brimelow
Truly anyone can become president in America.
That's true.
If Joe Biden can at this level.
tim pool
So when they make this picture of him and they try and do this meme, it's just, it's like, you know, it's a poodle dressed like Superman.
You know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
And his campaign got on TikTok today to court younger voters.
It's so great.
unidentified
And they posted this too.
hannah claire brimelow
It's awful.
tim pool
That was yesterday though.
They were like, who do you think's going to win?
He's like, if I told you, I'd get in trouble.
Biden, if you talk to the press, you get in trouble.
And I'm wondering who you get in trouble with.
unidentified
Barack?
phil labonte
Jill?
tim pool
She's the real president.
phil labonte
The whole, I wonder who you get in trouble with, it actually does kind of matter.
I like to think that the president is actually, can be held accountable.
That's one of the bad things about having like the bureaucracy, a nameless bureaucracy doing things.
You don't know where to lay the blame.
You can't hold anyone accountable.
You can never fire people.
So nothing ever changes.
Things only continue to go bad or continue down whatever path they are.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you a big Taylor Swift fan?
Are you Swifty?
michael rectenwald
I'm not a Swifty.
tim pool
I do not want to talk about Taylor Swift.
Anyway, back to Joe Biden and the memes.
hannah claire brimelow
I was just going to ask him what his perspective is on, like, the internet and the way they kind of circle around these pop culture icons, whether it's the dark Brandon Meen or Taylor Swift.
michael rectenwald
Well, you know, I mean, the theory is they're trying to use Swift to garner votes for Biden.
Also Swift and Kelsey to sell the vaccines.
I don't think, I don't buy it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a PR marketing stunt.
It's funny because when people say it's a PSYOP, I'm like, well, yeah, in the same sense that a commercial for Coke is a PSYOP.
A company is trying to advertise a product.
The NFL is trying to advertise the NFL to a younger audience who they're losing.
Taylor Swift got a whole bunch of Gen Z and young women to watch the Super Bowl.
They were trying to make some... And so what's fascinating to me is the PSYOP narrative Actually just accomplished everything they could have hoped for.
All of a sudden, everyone who normally doesn't care about quote-unquote sports ball, they call it, because they like to mock it, are now watching it.
And there's media all over the board.
And then to top it off, you've got the corporate press saying Donald Trump slams Taylor Swift.
You know what, man?
Whatever dude at this point, you know, like people are chatting with here's one from Victor He says was Travis Kelsey manhandling an old man on TV part of the psyop.
I Hear I want to say this.
I'm you guys ready?
I Don't care that Travis Kelsey yelled at a guy I don't understand why there are people who are like, sports ball is so dumb.
Did you see Travis Kelsey yell at a guy?
I'm like, I don't get it.
I really don't.
And so that's why I chest bumped him.
michael rectenwald
He did chest bump him.
tim pool
I know he's not.
I don't think he's a good dude.
I mean, whatever.
That was a nasty thing to do.
But I'm kind of like, why do people who don't follow sports?
Why are they so into this?
hannah claire brimelow
No, it's not.
I think it's not that interesting.
I've seen that clip so many times today, and it's sort of like, okay, yeah, bad moment for every Super Bowl there is, and probably there are other weird moments at the Super Bowl you could have pulled instead of everyone sort of dogpiling on the same one.
tim pool
I don't know.
I'm proud to say, though, that I was two for three in my psychic predictions over what was going to happen at the Super Bowl.
So when we had the party and we were talking about it, I'm like, look, I bet $100 on the Chiefs to win.
And I won a hundred, and I think I won a hundred and one dollars, something like that.
Because it was like, they weren't the favorites, I don't know.
But I was like, it's really obvious what's gonna happen.
At the start of the game, the 49ers are up, and I'm like, well of course.
It has to be this way.
It has to be that, like, oh no!
And I'm like, and they're gonna show Taylor Swift, and she's gonna be like, biting her nail, and going like, oh jeez, and they did it!
Called that one.
So it's gotta be that they come up from behind, it's gotta be at the last minute they score the touchdown to win, and Travis Kelsey is gonna be the guy to do it.
That didn't happen.
So I'm only 2 for 3.
Although I did, you could maybe add like a 2.5 because I said that Taylor Swift would look all panicked.
But the second to last play, they did throw it to Kelsey, Kelsey almost got it in, but I think it was Hardman, I don't know.
I don't know a lot about football, all I know is that they ended up winning.
And now the expectation is there's going to be some kind of endorsement, and I believe what is likely going to happen, the strong possibility, they're going to invite the Chiefs to the White House after winning the Super Bowl.
I'm willing to bet Taylor Swift is there.
I think she'll probably go with Kelsey and that will be their PR opportunity and press event.
That being said, the only way any political poll comes out of that is if Trump supporters attack Kelsey and Taylor Swift, which they're doing with zealous fervor.
hannah claire brimelow
And they'd have to plan that visit.
Again, I'm not the most avid sports fan here, but I don't know how quickly that invitation gets extended because she's on tour for the rest of the year.
tim pool
Maybe she doesn't come around.
hannah claire brimelow
They'd have to plan around Taylor Swift.
What I really didn't want to happen was for her to perform at the Democratic National Convention in the summer, but luckily she's in Europe then, because I just thought that would be so annoying.
tim pool
I don't think she's going to get super political.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think she's going to endorse this year.
I really don't.
michael rectenwald
The only way is by them using her.
They're using her as a polarization, so they're managing to get, if all the Trump people attack her, then this makes her a magnet for the other side.
tim pool
They're waving a red flag at the right, yelling Toro Toro, and the right's like, I'm gonna do exactly what Democrats want me to do, and make a big political issue with a pop star for no reason.
And it's just like, oh geez.
hannah claire brimelow
I felt like she only got involved in politics was when all of the stuff went around the internet where it was like, she's secretly super conservative and she's whatever.
So it was a big show of coming out being like, no, no, I support the right guy.
Like she released that one song where it was like way late to the like, you know, gay rights and gay marriage initiative.
It's okay to be gay.
It just like, it made no sense.
And I think now there's no point.
She's making a ton of money this year.
She's in the headlines.
She doesn't need to come out of any sort of political closet.
She's already come out enough.
It would be pointless.
tim pool
I'll say this as we're wrapping up the opening segment.
I would not be surprised.
I'll just say this.
In my opinion, I lean towards the NFL's rate.
Rigged in some way and the reason I feel that way is it's not the same people are saying it's like WWE and I know I don't think that I think it's more so that the refs can just push the direction they want and they they can have a tendency towards what they want to happen but it's not as easy as making it a script you can't You can't guarantee dude catches the ball.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
Because, you know, so that being said, they can strongly influence the outcome.
The coaches can tell people what to do.
They can do it or not do it.
And they can get pretty close to what they want to happen.
So, you know, out here in the West Virginia, Maryland and Virginia Tri-State, all Ravens fans out here.
michael rectenwald
Of course.
tim pool
And the only thing I hear from all of them was that it was rigged.
Because they were like, how did the Ravens play so well all year, and then all of a sudden against the Chiefs, they just were like, fumbling morons.
And so they all think it's scripted, it's rigged or whatever.
phil labonte
Look at the Ravens' history against the Patriots.
It is not rigged.
Or at least not, at least not, not... But this year you're talking about?
Maybe, no, no, I'm talking about just historically the Ravens against the Patriots.
tim pool
So, what I'm saying is, this, people who are in the air, who live out here, They were like, we saw some of the best play the Ravens ever had this year, but all of a sudden when it comes to the Chiefs, they were bumbling morons who couldn't figure anything out and lost.
And there's even that viral video, I don't know which team it was,
I think it's the Chiefs from October, where one player is running towards,
all I know is the player got the ball, one player runs and then turns left
and tackles the guy without the ball.
And it became a huge scandal because they were like, what the just happened?
And a bunch of people are like, I'm a big football fan and I know exactly what this means.
But even news outlets and sports outlets and commentators were like, why did he just not tackle the guy with the ball?
I think it was, who was it who had the ball?
Was it Mahomes?
I don't know, but a lot of people listening, they probably saw the story because this clip goes viral.
And then yesterday there was another clip that went viral where the TV wrongly said it was the first down when it was the second.
But that's not a conspiracy, that's a bad graphic.
michael rectenwald
That was the other way around.
They said it was second and three and it was first and five.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Specifically, there was one play where it was second and one, but the TV said first and ten, and everyone was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
michael rectenwald
That's a missed call.
Yeah.
tim pool
No, the TV got it wrong.
If you look at the ESPN play-by-play, everything was done properly.
All the calls were right.
So I kind of lean towards it was rigged.
Not that Joe Biden had anything to do with it.
hannah claire brimelow
But are they all rigged is the question.
Is every Super Bowl ultimately rigged?
I don't think so.
tim pool
I was reading something that said since around like Super Bowl 32 or whatever, it used to be that games were relatively decisive, like one team played really well and just won, and now it's always a nail-biter.
It's always a back and forth.
hannah claire brimelow
Set it for ratings that way.
tim pool
As you see, it's more entertaining.
And, uh, the other thing, too, is people point out that the NFL is a sports entertainment company, not a sporting company.
And it's because of the way they do, uh, they say it's because of the way they handle pay.
That they're all, like, one company and they share pay or something like that.
I don't know.
But I'm done with football.
Because while the football was going on, your, uh, members of the Senate were, uh, sharpening their blades to place firmly in your back.
CNBC reports Senate moves forward with Israel-Ukraine funding after vote on Super Bowl Sunday.
You see?
This was the real purpose of... I'll put it this way.
The PSYOP, if there is one in my opinion, was to create a conspiracy theory of a PSYOP so that all of these Trump supporters would be posting photos of Travis Kelsey and videos of it, like they're doing all yesterday, and not paying attention to the fact the Senate voted to move forward with funding for Israel and Ukraine.
However, Rand Paul is in a filibuster right now to try and block it, but Here we go.
$60 billion to Ukraine.
$15 million to Israel.
michael rectenwald
And some to Taiwan as well.
tim pool
And some to Taiwan as well.
And nothing to the border.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
Because why?
Why would we do that?
tim pool
Well, because when people realized the border deal was actually an amnesty bill, they were like, okay, just get rid of that and just go straight for the dump American money into a foreign country.
michael rectenwald
So they also buried an impeachment clause in this bill, that if the president doesn't follow through with his funding, he's impeached.
tim pool
Or they can impeach him.
michael rectenwald
They can impeach him, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, I feel like that's kind of good news, in a way.
You know, it's bad news, they're playing these dirty games, but it's kind of indicative of, they fear Donald Trump is going to win.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think it is.
Because why else would you have to bury that clause there if you thought Joe Biden was going to be there?
tim pool
Yeah, you need this this stick to stick rather or measure at the very least, they are scared that Donald Trump is going to win, not that he's guaranteed to win.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm sure they are.
I think because of the polls and because of Biden, it's completely reasonable to be worried about whether or not he can actually bring it back over the goal line.
But when it comes to this piece of legislation or the part in the piece of legislation, They're just looking for any way that they can get Donald Trump, so if they can set it up, whereas there's some kind of, you know, he gets in and something happens, and they can come up with a way to justify impeaching him, they will use forever the
Like, the Rubicon has been crossed forever now.
Impeachment is a new political tool that's going to be used every chance that whatever side gets, this is the new normal.
Politics in the US is not going to get better.
tim pool
I don't think it's the new normal.
phil labonte
You know, why?
tim pool
Because I don't think there will be a system in place long enough for it to be normal at all.
unidentified
That would be, that would be... It's just the current trend right now.
tim pool
No, it's just, I mean, like, it'll happen one time and then something worse happens next time.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's right.
Other catastrophes come along, change the whole narrative, shift the ground under your feet.
That's what's been happening.
tim pool
Yeah, but I agree with your sentiment.
It's just the idea that it's a new normal would imply that we will persist in this state for more than one election cycle.
phil labonte
How fast things degrade does matter, yes.
tim pool
Yeah, so I feel like in the sense that they are going to use impeachment as a tool, the answer is yes, but it will cause such crisis within our political system, the system likely will implode on itself well before it could happen again.
phil labonte
That could very well happen.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you have any predictions about the next year, going into 2024?
michael rectenwald
To the election and all that?
Well, I'm going to win the LP nomination.
tim pool
And then a landslide victory, 49 states for the Libertarian Party.
michael rectenwald
That's right.
But no, I mean, look, I'm running against these people, so I'm running to be a messenger who shifts the Overton window, if possible at this late date, towards liberty.
And away from this authoritarian layer upon layer of the state.
Kennedy, even, you know, Kennedy's supposed to be this, you know, dissident, but he's all about adding more bureaucratic layers to the state.
It's unbelievable.
tim pool
I have a conspiracy theory for you guys.
RFK Jr.
is actually working for the deep state to suppress the Libertarian Party vote.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think that's actually fair.
I always thought he pulled from running a Democrat campaign under threat from the DNC, basically saying, you have to run as an independent this year, maybe we'll consider you in the future.
tim pool
He's pulling from Democrats, but when the polls include Biden, Trump, or anyone else, anyone else actually scores double digits, which means that if RFK Jr.
was not running, the Libertarian Party might actually crack double digits.
michael rectenwald
And he's coming to our convention in California where I'll be debating him.
tim pool
Really?
phil labonte
When is that happening?
michael rectenwald
On February 24th.
I am the final defense against RFK trying to take over the Libertarian Party for this election.
phil labonte
I can't imagine!
I can't imagine the Libertarians accepting that.
tim pool
Well, no, no, no, I agree with that, but there are a lot of people in the Mises caucus who want RFK Jr.
to take the LP ticket.
michael rectenwald
Well, there's a little bit of prevarication that went on about that topic, if I must.
The LP, the Mises Caucus, the official Mises Caucus, does not support R.F.K.
Jr.
at all.
They have endorsed me.
They've also endorsed the vice presidential candidate, too.
And I'll come up with his name in a second.
He's a good friend of mine.
Anyway, Clint, Clint Russell.
So they endorsed Clint Russell as a VP candidate.
They endorsed me as a presidential candidate.
They've written extensively how they don't support RFK Jr.
He is anathema to libertarianism.
phil labonte
He's not good on anything.
michael rectenwald
Nothing.
phil labonte
Except COVID and Ukraine.
michael rectenwald
That's it.
phil labonte
He's good on COVID and vaccines in that he doesn't want to have the government force you to take vaccines, but that's the end of it.
That's it.
unidentified
And also, if that's the only... Well, he tweeted about the border.
phil labonte
That's true.
michael rectenwald
What he wants to do is put, he wants to, you know, he's all about regulation, right?
So he wants to change, you know, to enforce regulations and to get the corporations, he called these big corporations or the big enemy, get them out of everything, never looking at the other side of the issue, which is the state.
That's who's the problem is.
phil labonte
Especially when you're dealing with the border.
michael rectenwald
Yes.
phil labonte
Clearly it's the state.
michael rectenwald
Right.
This open borders policy is a federal policy.
And I go up against other libertarians on this because I don't think that this open borders policy is libertarian at all.
tim pool
I think framing is important.
michael rectenwald
Yes.
tim pool
And I wouldn't call it federal policy.
I would call it rogue state policy.
The federal government has constitutional restrictions, and one of those is that the federal government has to do certain things like defend states from invasion.
Technically, yeah.
Having Customs and Border Protection commit crimes against humanity on the southern border is not indicative of the federal government.
Here's what I'm trying to draw a distinction on.
We should not accept criminal actions from federal agents as what the government does.
We should say that those are criminal elements who are wearing badges, committing crimes, and my fear with the normalization of it is...
If a criminal, it's like a squatter being in a house, and then you call him a resident.
No, no, no, keep calling them squatters.
Don't call them residents.
michael rectenwald
I'm not talking about the actual government's official policy now.
I'm talking about what libertarians, some libertarians want, open borders.
Period.
And I would say that would become then a federal government Well, it's a violation of the Constitution to have open borders.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
So the Libertarians can say all they want.
michael rectenwald
Not all of them, right.
hannah claire brimelow
But this is one of the things the Libertarian Party has fractured over.
I mean, this was hotly debated for a long time, and ultimately I don't think anyone who thinks of themselves as a Libertarian today really accepts that you could maintain Libertarian values and also have an open border.
Maybe I'm wrong.
michael rectenwald
No, no, no.
phil labonte
There are leftists in the Libertarian Party that strongly Like I said, it's already a fractured issue, but I don't think that the Mises caucus, most of them don't.
michael rectenwald
What they do, this is actually the default libertarian position.
They equate the movement of goods, capital, with the movement of people.
And they say they're the same, so if goods are free to cross borders, then people should be without restrictions.
But there's a difference between people and goods.
People have will.
They can do it without being asked to come.
People have motivations.
If goods are purchased, they have been invited into the country.
That's different than people just on their own volition entering the country.
tim pool
Yeah, open borders basically means you don't have a country at all, and the Constitution requires defense from invasion.
So, anyway, what I was trying to say is, we accept the squatters and the corrupt and the criminals, and we act like they are the authority, and if we just said, nah, you're not, we don't agree with you, we don't take orders from you, things would be very, very different.
Unfortunately, I guess we have a lot, maybe it's too many people?
So, uh, social order breaks down when a civilization gets too large.
You know, the question I have is, why does a CBP agent think it is okay to work with cartel members?
Because his boss told him to.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
If we were in a small community and, uh, you know, the sheriff, like, let's say a hundred people.
phil labonte
Right.
tim pool
And the guy said, hey, go, go handle those smugglers.
And you're like, are you nuts?
Like, I can't do that.
Everyone's gonna find out what I did.
But when it's a massive system and the CBP agents don't know and don't care, they don't know you, they don't care about you, their boss said do it, they're gonna do it because when they go to the bar to buy a beer, the bartender's like, don't know you, don't care, here's a beer.
And so the social order breaks down when we separate from our communities.
michael rectenwald
That's why I'm for decentralization and localization and getting power away from the federal government as much as
possible vesting it in the people locally and
resisting the federal government's incursions against
phil labonte
against the local people. Do you feel like the libertarian message that
the message in particular, do you think that message resonates nowadays when
people's ability to connect over the internet Has become so is so vast and so so fast because I feel like the reason that we don't have more libertarians in positions in the federal government and in other governments is because there's not really the American people say
A whole lot about wanting to have liberty, but what they really want is safety.
And I think that the majority of people want safety, and I think that's driven mostly by the culture of safety that people have in the U.S.
today, in the West.
Do you think that there is a market for libertarian ideas anymore?
michael rectenwald
There is a market for libertarian ideas, but I think they have to be framed properly, as Tim put it.
And in the case of decentralization, I have noticed that people look at me like, what are you talking about?
Because it puts the onus on them, rather than some white knight riding into DC, claiming to be able to fix everything.
It puts the onus on people themselves to do something on the local level.
To run for office, to take control of the local level, and then to resist the central government as much as possible.
And that's how this country was founded.
It was founded under subsidiariness.
Actually, it's the doctrine of the lesser magistrates.
That is, the local power is really preeminent.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I do feel obligated to point out, this is off topic, but RFK did share some of Alad's video, some scanner news footage, so he's obviously a huge fan of our news site.
tim pool
Very good.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe he'll make an appearance on the podcast.
tim pool
Let's talk to him.
Let's show me the story from Politico.
J.D.
Vance's foreign aid bill could get Trump impeached.
The Ohio GOP senator's office argues that the legislation could tie Trump's hands if he tries to pause Ukraine funds should he win the presidency again.
Vance distributed a memo to Senate GOP offices on Monday, arguing that the foreign aid measure could tie Trump's hands if he comes into office next year wanting to pause Ukraine funds as part of negotiations on ending Russia's war on the U.S.
ally.
That's because some of the legislation's funding expires nine months into the next presidency, effectively, according to Vance, handcuffing a future President Trump from making his own decisions on Ukraine spending.
Now, this is the important thing.
The likelihood that, the first thing that we mentioned previously, but we'll say it again just for the sake of this segment, this is a political time bomb for Donald Trump, or a pit trap.
They fear, Democrats fear, that if he wins, he will try to shut down the war in Ukraine and bring peace.
And so, not only do they want to find ways to remove him, they want to tie his hands together if he does win so that he can't make any changes.
The terrifying thing about this, it's quite literally, Donald Trump will get elected, I'm saying in the event Trump gets elected, which I believe is a strong probability, but we'll see, he absolutely will seek to negotiate with Russia to stop the war, bring peace, stabilize the region.
And that means that if Russia says to Trump, OK, As a sign of good faith, as we begin the ceasefire, funding must stop.
And Trump will go, I can't do that, they'll impeach me.
Think about what that does to undermine the President's position before he's even spoken a word.
This means, upon entering office, Vladimir Putin will say to Trump, you do not have the authority to negotiate as the President of the United States to bring peace, because I saw the bill they passed, it was in your news, and they will impeach you and remove you from power if you try.
Talk about evil, these people.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
You know, I think Trump's equivocated now recently about Ukraine, whether he would continue funding them.
And so it's not clear that he is actually the target here, necessarily.
But definitely they want to make... Maybe RFK Jr.
tim pool
wins and they don't want him to do it?
michael rectenwald
Maybe.
I mean, maybe that's in their cards, yeah.
tim pool
What if RFK Jr.
does win?
I mean, some polls got him at like 17%.
michael rectenwald
Oh no, he's higher than that.
They're saying 33.
Where?
tim pool
What polls got him at 33?
michael rectenwald
Here we go again.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know exactly which polls, but... He was saying for a while that he was polling in the 20s and he was gaining 1% every week, so he was on track to get the necessarily Necessary just over a third of the vote to beat out Biden and Trump.
I don't know how accurate it is, but I think third-party kinesthetes are really interesting because of this.
It shifts it from being this fight for just over 50% to being this much lower margins, which other countries that have multiple political parties are used to in a way that America is not.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's the good thing about this.
tim pool
Typically, we've got this one poll from Suffolk that has Biden up 20 points.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
hannah claire brimelow
They just asked everybody in the White House briefing room.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But typically, Kennedy's polling at—we got one from—this is a Republican-affiliated opinion research—16% But a lot of them have him 14.6%.
We got him at 8%.
I don't see him cracking 30.
michael rectenwald
Well, at least that's what he's putting out.
Maybe that's his propaganda.
tim pool
Definitely.
michael rectenwald
But he was posting something like that on Twitter, that he was a viable third-party candidate at 33%.
tim pool
But, you know, it's... I think what we're seeing with the southern border and the reason why right now the Senate is trying to advance... So at first they called the border bill because these people are despicable scumbags who lie, cheat, and steal.
And the bill was actually funding for Ukraine.
20 billion went to border amnesty projects, but it wasn't a border security bill.
Talk about spitting in the face of people being like, you know, the Democrats come out be like, why are Republicans blocking the border bill?
I'm like, because 80% of it is foreign war funding?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So what do they do?
They remove the border stuff and now they're just trying to steamroll through the Ukraine stuff.
Right.
michael rectenwald
And the Israel stuff.
tim pool
And the Israel stuff.
And aside from the time bomb and pit trap that is this impeachment potentiality, I think what they're doing on the southern border, the reason why we're seeing a dramatic escalation in illegal immigrants being allowed in the country, they need to get in three years worth, I mean, I'm sorry, three presidential terms worth of illegal immigrants because You've got Biden.
If Biden just allows the standard amount of illegal immigrants in the country, Trump deports that many.
They hit zero.
They got a quota, baby.
So by doing three terms worth, when Trump deports as many as possible, one term's worth.
They get two full terms of criminal aliens flooding into the country.
They're not going to do anything to secure the border.
The Republicans are going to hem and haw and ultimately do nothing to secure the border.
It is in all likelihood going to come down to a last minute deal where the Republicans cave, some crackpot garbage Republicans announce their retirement, and then give Democrats everything they want and more bombs drop in Ukraine at your expense.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
Democracy.
I mean, all foreign aid should end, including aid to Ukraine, Taiwan, Israel.
All this military funding should end immediately.
tim pool
I'm okay with foreign aid, but not the foreign aid we're doing right now.
Not the unreasonable, weird military stuff.
Not the gender studies stuff.
Foreign aid should literally be like a ship capsized and we're going to I think it should be humanitarian and based on charity.
michael rectenwald
So if you want to have foreign aid, then individuals can donate into a pool and then send it over.
But otherwise, it's robbery.
phil labonte
Foreign aid for charity ends up going into the hands of the NGOs.
It always goes into the NGOs and always goes to the governments.
tim pool
I want to say this just so everybody understands.
I am 100% in favor of people's tax dollars being given to foreign countries.
I mean it.
First, we've got to fix all of our roads, we've got to fix our border, we've got to get rid of unemployment.
Once unemployment is at zero, or a reasonable number might be a couple percentage points, because some people literally can't work, so there's going to be some unemployment.
Once we have solved all of our problems, then, after a vote, we can decide if we do want to send aid to anybody else.
hannah claire brimelow
Two years after the last American committed suicide, then we'll send aid.
tim pool
I'm in favor of sending aid after we agree to fix all our problems first.
phil labonte
There's one thing that I want to say that I'm sure Michael is aware of and he would also have a massive problem, or has a massive problem with that most people don't realize.
Part of the thing that foreign aid does is it spreads the US dollar around the world, therefore making other countries look at the dollar as more valuable.
So it's propping up the dollar, so that way the government can use, can print more. So it's literally exporting, it's more
than just exporting dollars, it's so that way the government can produce more
dollars which is inflation to you and it costs you money in your bank
account.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, and when I said no foreign aid, what I mean is this, what's happening is
we're being basically robbed.
There's no consent here.
You said we'd vote on it.
Well, I think there's an easy way to settle that.
If you want to give money to a foreign country, give it away as an individual or as a group, some sort of charity.
To rob the American people for this money, then to send it off to other countries against our will, and in many cases now to kill other people for no reason that we have anything to do with.
tim pool
We got a snowstorm coming up to the nor'easter is about to hit.
And that means there's going to be some power outages, there's going to be some snow plow requirements, and you know what?
All of that requires money.
And we're spending all of that money.
How about before we give money away, we take care of our own problems as simple as sometimes it snows.
I mean, you know, people like to talk about, oh, if there's a disaster, oh, the crisis on the southern border needs to be solved before we give money to Israel or Ukraine.
I'm like, I'll take it one step further.
We got to pay the snowplow man up in New York before I give money to anybody else.
hannah claire brimelow
How many train derailments are there every year?
Like there are all kinds of infrastructure, small problems that we have.
That we can't prepare for, that we should generally think we're gonna take care of the things that happen here before anywhere else, but it just is endless, the amount of money they're willing to ship us abroad.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, I would sooner vote to give the entirety.
Okay, let's say this money, this, you know, we're willing to give $95 billion, It's been taken from the taxes and it is on a hot air balloon in the air and that money's gone.
It's gonna either land in the hands of Ukrainians or just Ian Crosland.
Just him.
I would vote for it to go to Ian.
No question.
Absolutely.
A single random American should have that money before we give it away to a foreign country.
More importantly, it should be redistributed back to the people for whom it was taken from.
phil labonte
I agree with everything everyone's saying in principle, but because of the situation with The value of our currency and the debt that we hold.
We need to, we can't just like be like end all foreign aid and blah blah blah.
You have to first, you have to get rid of some of the dollars that are in circulation.
michael rectenwald
That's right.
phil labonte
You have to get rid of those before you start doing the whole stop this.
You have to make sure that you have to get the currency gets on to some kind of Some kind of hard backing something like that before you can do then once you do that then you can start ending the foreign aid because once you start ending the foreign aid and have fewer dollars around you're gonna have all kinds of monetary problems that are gonna erupt that we're gonna have to deal with realistically that we can't get out of dealing with because we have to because of entitlements and 33 trillion dollars in debt and stuff and I know that I'm you know speaking Michael's language as a Mises
michael rectenwald
We need to consolidate the dollar, probably back it by gold, the fiat currency, back it by gold, and then consolidate the existing currencies out there, so that would reduce the actual dollars that are floating around, because you have to base it on a real commodity like gold.
But in the meantime, as I've said last time here, I think we need these parallel currencies to be in operation so that people are fighting against the Fed's money monopoly right now.
phil labonte
Bitcoin has blasted off in the past two days.
I thought that it topped out, and I was like, oh, I'll go ahead and sell some to go ahead and... Bitcoin's at 50,178.
tim pool
I am a happy camper.
michael rectenwald
Excellent.
tim pool
Put it very mildly.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
I bought it a while ago, and, uh... I just... It's like a savings account, I guess.
Man, it's kinda wild that if...
Just, I don't wanna get into too big of a Bitcoin thing, but I think in terms of where we're headed internationally, especially with El Salvador's success, I mean, you look at, wow.
I mean, if you're a citizen of El Salvador, you must be jumping up and down when Bitcoin's now at 50K.
This means that your country's net worth is just skyrocketing, their capability to import goods, fix the roads, do all these really great things.
I'm just thinking about The stopping of the crime, the gangs, the building of new libraries, there was that big unveiling, the landslide victory, and I'm like, there but for the grace of God go we.
Why can't we have those things?
hannah claire brimelow
But I think that kind of success does open a lot of regular Americans' minds to the possibility that these things have.
I think there are enough people who don't understand the complexities of Bitcoin or whatever else, who feel the stress of countries that seem to be basically falling apart, and they'll look to these other countries and say, maybe they're onto something.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, I just, you know, we we need a we need a Javier Millet moment.
michael rectenwald
That's right.
tim pool
We do.
michael rectenwald
Yes, we do.
I mean, minus the weeping at the at the wailing wall.
I won't do that.
tim pool
Yeah.
At least you know, he's he's he's making the cuts.
michael rectenwald
Yes, he is.
Yes.
tim pool
That's wild.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that stuff like Bitcoin is a great idea.
Obviously, the Federal Government and the Federal Reserve System is unreliable.
The inflation that we're seeing right now, they managed to moderate it, but they haven't been able to actually slow it down to a reasonable level.
4% inflation is It's too much, it's bad.
Also, I don't think that that's actually calculated the way they used to.
They've begun to change the way they calculate things, which is extremely Soviet and typical of socialist-type governments, lying about the production and lying about things like your financials and stuff like that.
I don't know what the long-term forecast is, how long it's going to be, but everybody that predicted the inflation because of the printing of money and stuff, it's all still in there.
We haven't solved any of it.
Just because we had some inflation now doesn't mean that there isn't still a dollar bubble and all the things that the libertarians have been saying for over a decade, right?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, it's a huge bubble.
It's going to burst.
It might burst in pockets here and there and wipe out industries.
That's very possible.
hannah claire brimelow
Who are Libertarian voters in America?
michael rectenwald
Who are they?
phil labonte
Nerds.
michael rectenwald
They're autistic.
That's kind of like a running joke.
Libertarians are people.
They come from every segment of society.
A lot of people come from the military.
They served in the military.
They felt like they were used as tools.
They saw what the American regime and empire is about and they turned against it.
Or, in my case, I was a far leftist and I saw the error of my ways and saw that the state was the real enemy, not the capitalist class.
tim pool
This is the fascinating thing about anarchy and anarchists.
Typically, when you're in New York, you'll meet people who claim to be anarchists, but they're the most authoritarian people you'll ever meet.
And so, I've had these discussions with the quote-unquote leftist anarchists.
They're communists.
phil labonte
I don't believe you can be a leftist and an anarchist.
michael rectenwald
No, it's impossible.
tim pool
No, it's not.
It's not impossible.
michael rectenwald
Well, if you say you're an ancom, that means an anarchist and communist, who's going to enforce the fact that nobody's allowed to have property but the state?
tim pool
Shared morality.
So the issue is, If you are a libertarian socialist or anarcho-communist or something, basically what you're saying is you and your buddies want to live on a farm by yourselves.
phil labonte
Yeah, go ahead.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And you go live on the farm, and your buddy comes in and says, I grew some squash.
Looks like they're ripe.
Would you like to share them with me?
That's great.
I'll do the dishes afterwards.
Hey, that's fantastic if you can live that way.
But when you scale up the neighboring communities, good luck.
So on a very, very small scale, But you meet these people in New York, and they're like, I'm an anarchist.
I think I should beat people until they do what I want.
I'm like, yeah, you're a fascist.
That is not anarchy.
michael rectenwald
They're the biggest statists out there.
That's the real irony.
If you look at somebody like Antifa, these people are actually food soldiers for the state.
tim pool
They're tankies who claim to be anarchists and they're not.
But let's jump to the story.
I love this from the Wall Street Journal.
Kamala Harris says she is ready to serve as Biden faces age scrutiny.
In a recent interview, the vice president cites her capacity to lead after stops on her abortion rights tour.
And the important thing to take away from this, this narrative has been going far and wide as if After the news report came out that Biden is too senile to be criminally charged.
I'm being hyperbolic.
Kamala Harris then said, I'm ready to surf.
No, no, no, no.
She said this two days before the report came out.
However, I can only assume she already knew what the report was going to say.
Biden's lawyers had been briefed as to what was going going on well before any information got released.
That's what they do.
So she knew exactly what was happening.
And this is indicative of her being like, oh, boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael rectenwald
I hope Biden doesn't make it!
hannah claire brimelow
Well, she's on this, like, shadow campaign trail trying to test if, like, she could win back voters by focusing completely on what Democrat, you know, left-wing media always says is going to be the number one issue this year, abortion rights.
They're wrong.
It's immigration this year.
michael rectenwald
Maybe this is what she's been laughing about all this time, you know, for no reason, like a hyena.
tim pool
What if, you know, following this report that Joe Biden, his brain is too damaged to be prosecuted, Kamala just comes out and just drops the act and gives, like, the most articulate and commanding speech of her life?
hannah claire brimelow
Her polls just go skyrocket!
The patriarchy made me sound dumb so that I wouldn't upstage the man, the feminist Goliath.
unidentified
But you would say, the fake news made it up!
tim pool
And then what do you say to that?
Like, well, I mean, they are fake news.
She turns it around on everybody.
michael rectenwald
I don't think that's going to happen.
She'd really have to have quite an accelerated course in vocabulary and rhetoric and other topics.
tim pool
You know, I was saying about six months ago, my prediction was Joe Biden will not be the nominee.
He will not be the candidate.
Something has to happen.
And right now, the betting odds suggest that is likely the case.
I mean, Biden is dropping precipitously, Michelle Obama skyrocketing, people are starting to be like, I don't think Joe Biden's gonna make it.
Like, a prosecutor, a special counsel literally came out and said, this man has such bad memory, he doesn't know when he's vice, he doesn't remember when he was vice president.
michael rectenwald
Or when his son died.
tim pool
Or, that's the scariest thing.
He can't remember when his son died.
Or, I mean, look, we often call him a liar.
When he's like, my son died in Iraq, where everyone's like, he's lying.
No, I think he's, you know, grandpa's confused.
hannah claire brimelow
He's trying to fill in gaps that his brain no longer has.
unidentified
I mean, that's actually extremely sad, right?
hannah claire brimelow
I think of all these people who look at it and are like, this is elder abuse.
I can't remember who, but there was somebody who was like, I would never let them treat my grandpa this way.
Like, it's rough out there.
michael rectenwald
Joe Biden is the most cynical, self-centered opportunist there is.
tim pool
He was.
He was a cynical opportunist.
hannah claire brimelow
Jill.
unidentified
Jill.
tim pool
Oh, you said Jill was.
michael rectenwald
Jill was.
tim pool
Oh, I'm sorry.
I will say this.
Joe Biden was a crooked, corrupt, spineless, evil man.
And the reason I say was, is because at a certain point when your brain is mush.
michael rectenwald
It's just husk there now.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like saying the mannequin in the corner of the room of Biden is a criminal.
It's like, well, Well, it's just kind of a hunk of plastic, you know what I mean?
michael rectenwald
No, they love it, I think.
I think there's like a Politburo running the country and they just stick them up there.
It's perfect because they have total control over- It's Weekend at Biden's!
Yeah!
We got this guy that- it's also part of, I think, a ritual humiliation plan to make us feel like, look, we could shove anybody down your throats and you'll have to- he'll be your president.
That's just the way it goes.
tim pool
Yeah, but I don't know this time around.
I don't see how they can beat Trump short of like abject cheating.
I don't even know if that's going to be as effective.
I mean the shadow campaign which they like universal mail-in voting all that stuff still in play.
But it may just be overwhelming.
I mean, things... The media keeps screaming in the faces of people that everything's fine, and it's like, dude, you can't just say that.
People go to the grocery store, they can't buy bread.
You're not convincing anybody.
michael rectenwald
You talk of $7 for butter.
tim pool
Oh my god, it's so crazy!
I was saying this before, we used to buy these little salamis, a little pack of salamis, and there's like, I don't know, maybe like 30 salamis in it.
And it would cost like five bucks and that's 15.
And I'm like, wow, we would buy a bunch of them and put them downstairs in the green room
for people to have snacks.
You know, no sugar, that's why we do it.
We keep the sugar at a low, the protein high.
And it's super expensive now.
Everything's going up.
And you see these videos where people are talking about young people.
It's like, there's one video where a woman's screaming because she's like, yo, I went and bought like eggs,
some water and some vegetables.
It was $41.
I have no idea what's going on.
And they're saying like, don't worry, the economy is great.
No, it isn't.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
And yet he's like, you know how I'll win back young voters?
Get on TikTok.
Like, these are all the same people who are trying to establish themselves financially, build their future.
And they're looking at it every day saying, I can't save for anything.
Did you see that map where it says it's now Wow.
See, you know, here's the trouble with you running as a Libertarian.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
You can't do things like this here.
I think that there are they're able to look voters in the eyes and say everything is fine.
tim pool
Don't question us.
You know, here's the trouble with you run as a libertarian.
unidentified
Yeah, you can't be you can't.
tim pool
You can't do things like this here.
If I was running on the Republican ticket, I would come out and say, as president, we're
going to take all the illegal immigrants.
unidentified
And we're going to kick about and give those hotels to all Jetsy Jetsy get free hotels,
tim pool
free beds.
Basically, you know, you're Gen Z and you're looking at these videos where it's like for 2,000 bucks a month you can live in a 5 by 10 room with no bathroom and no closet.
Then you're hearing in New York they're giving hotel rooms to illegal immigrants?
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
I'd just straight up be like, we're gonna flip that around.
Gen Z, you vote for me, and I'm gonna bang the gavel and say, you get the hotel rooms, and we'll put the illegal immigrants in the 5x11 box.
Better yet, we will just deport them.
michael rectenwald
I hear what you're saying, yeah.
tim pool
Libertarians can't do that.
We'll steal your money.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I mean, basically, I run on principles, so yeah.
I'm not gonna steal something from somebody to give it to somebody else.
However, I do think that none of the other candidates, as far as I can tell, are talking about the incentivization, the artificial incentivizing of immigration through social welfare.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
tim pool
I mean, it's more than that.
It's the practical incentivizing, where they offer them money before they even come and send NGOs to assist them.
phil labonte
This is why, again, I asked you earlier, and I think that the biggest problem the libertarians have is the entitlements.
The biggest The biggest obstacle to electing libertarians is the fact that they're not going to give anything away.
They're not going to try to buy votes.
And that's also one of the worst things for America.
michael rectenwald
It's the worst thing about democracy, per se.
Yeah, absolutely.
They're voting to rob other people, effectively.
phil labonte
That's what they're doing.
And the elected officials are empowering it.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, of course they are.
tim pool
But it's so much worse than just voting to rob people.
Because the way I describe it is like, imagine you live with a roommate, just the two of you, and then one day there's a guy sleeping on the couch, and you're like, whoa, I never agreed this guy to sleep on the couch, and your roommate's like, oh, come on, dude.
Just let him crash here for a little bit, he'll pitch in, and you go, okay, fine, whatever.
The next day, there's another guy sleeping on the couch, and you're like, hey, I never agreed this guy could come, and it's like, well, we both voted, and we both voted he could stay.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
Two against one, you lose.
michael rectenwald
Exactly.
tim pool
And you're like, what?
And then the next time another guy shows up, and all three of them are like, three against one, you lose, you no longer live there.
That's what's happening to this country.
And Republicans get this wrong, they're not bringing in illegal immigrants to vote, they're bringing them in to create congressional seats and electoral college votes for the presidency.
They don't need them to vote, they just need them to be there for the census.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's right.
That's right, they need to fill out the census.
That's why the Democrats insisted that you did not have to be a citizen to be in the census.
tim pool
Yep.
I think maybe you need to, what I would do is get like three whiteboards instead of one, because you know, Millet had the one whiteboard with all the government departments.
No, no, no, no.
You need that one, but then you also need one where it's like, You know, illegal immigration, NGO funding, international funding.
You basically need three whiteboards that is not just about... About the state.
michael rectenwald
I agree.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not just the departments.
It's also foreign funding.
michael rectenwald
Foreign funding, the NGOs, the globalist organizations that are pushing all this.
tim pool
DEI.
You need one for all the cultural stuff.
You need one for foreign spending and one for domestic, like, bloat.
And then you have to very calmly just...
michael rectenwald
Yeah, there's some things you can't cut, except that you have to get at them where they meet the state.
And that is to say, there are all these globalist organizations that are pushing these agendas, like these NGOs and so forth, and so you can't really legally do anything to stop them.
All you can do is stop their effect.
tim pool
I'm kind of at the point where I would just want to press the off button.
Like, government off.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, agreed.
tim pool
And just like, you know, see what happens for a little bit and let people scramble.
michael rectenwald
Absolutely, that's my whole... Nothing happens.
phil labonte
We do this every couple years.
They turn off the government and they say, look, government shut off.
And everyone's like, okay, and?
tim pool
It's like they're secretly going, come on, figure it out.
Figure it out.
We turned it off again.
When will you start figuring it out?
michael rectenwald
Exactly.
phil labonte
Again, another problem that the libertarians have is there is a significant portion of the workforce that is employed by the federal government.
I don't know exactly how many people work for the federal government, but it's got to be a few million.
michael rectenwald
That's why you have to attack it right away and take out whole departments all at once, because this way you get rid of this.
And so, also, there's just a lot of statist ideology everywhere.
phil labonte
Yeah.
michael rectenwald
It's coming at you from all angles.
Well, it's a drug.
Yeah, it's a drug.
They believe the government is needed, that it's necessary, that it's beneficent, that it's, you know, helpful, and it's our best friend.
Whereas the opposite is the case.
tim pool
The more they create government jobs, they create dependencies, and then if you terminate these departments and these programs, it leaves people without work, and the private sector does not have the space because... Of the state.
Because of the state.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's right.
It creates a perpetual... There will be a lag where you'll have people definitely out of work that get cut from the state.
And then it'll take time for the capitalist economy, the marketplace, to pick up these people.
tim pool
Here's the challenge.
I think the only actual solution is just a hard reset, but that would make very, very hard times.
There are too many people who don't understand the concept of producing value on their own, and I blame mostly the state for that, and institutionalized learning facilities, schools, and the Department of Education.
We need to get back to a time where someone said to themselves, how can I create value for which I can trade in society?
Because now what happens is you fire all these government employees, they're going to be like, I need a job.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
No, you need to create value.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
I don't know how to do that.
Well, part of the problem there, too, is government restricting people from being able to open businesses.
michael rectenwald
Yes, the restrictions, but also, you know, the education, the indoctrination into statist ideology, into statist thinking, into believing that they can't do anything without the state and that the state is all good and all necessary.
hannah claire brimelow
Why do people think people are so prone to trust the government like that?
Is it just a cultural shift?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, there's a lot of cultural work that needs to be done to overcome it.
The real culture war is the culture war against the state, I think.
That's the culture war that needs to be fought.
tim pool
Let me jump to the story.
This is a letters to the editor, L.A.
Times.
I'm a psychiatrist.
unidentified
Lawyers should not be assessing Biden's cognitive ability.
tim pool
They should not.
That's right.
Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Herr has training in either psychiatry nor neurology, yet he included an assessment of Biden's cognitive functioning.
Memory assessment is a complex task and cannot be undertaken over five hours at interviews with attorneys.
Can you believe the gall of an attorney to diagnose he is no doctor?
How shocking and offensive would it be if members of the press We're claiming the president was mentally unfit.
Kind of like how the New York Times wrote, Trump is mentally unfit, no exam needed.
Three mental health professionals who contributed to the dangerous case of Donald Trump cite recent actions that confirm their worries.
And additionally, from the New York Times, memory loss requires careful diagnosis, scientists say.
The federal investigators said that Biden had a poor memory, but such a diagnosis would require close medical assessment, experts said.
You know what, man?
Shout out to Defiant L's on X. This is just, we're done with the narrative, okay?
I placed a bet on the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl because we know, like, there's a narrative.
Okay, maybe there isn't, but I won a hundred bucks.
My point is, how can the New York Times think they will get this over the American people at this point?
LA Times publishing a letter to the editor saying, you can't diagnose the president in this way, he's just a lawyer.
Oh, the lawyer said that Biden didn't remember when he was vice president, okay?
So at a certain point, we can see through the lies of the corporate press, and it's just smack dab right now.
So I tell everybody, just share this.
Share this segment right here with anybody who disagrees, and be like, look what the media does.
Both these things can't be true.
But at this point, I think, after 10 years of this, I'm seeing videos of like Gen Z people that are just screaming MAGA.
They're just over it.
The fake news, the political correctness.
So I'm, you know, look, with like the Bud Light collapse and all of that stuff and all these culture victory wins, culture war victories, I'm feeling pretty optimistic.
And I'll add too, especially with them putting that impeachment time bomb for Donald Trump, I'm like, man, Trump's going to win, isn't he?
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's, I mean, I don't like to take anything for granted, but I think he's in a much stronger position than the Democrats were hoping at this point.
And I think it really does have to do with young voters who grew up disenfranchised by both culture and the economic situation.
I mean, things were better under Trump.
They're old enough to remember that, even if they weren't necessarily paying taxes themselves.
I'm thinking about like the 18 year old, 19 year old voters.
But things are very bad under Biden when they are going into adulthood.
I think there are a lot of reasons that young people would be deterred or turned off by the Biden campaign.
tim pool
I wonder if Gen Z, with stories like this where they're running two different narratives at a certain point, they just will look at the corporate press like nothing.
It's a gag.
It's all the onion.
It's all the Babylon Bee.
I mean, the Babylon Bee struggles to keep up with reality at this point.
And so I'm kind of thinking that the corporate press is in decay.
They're collapsing.
I mean, we saw one of the biggest wave of layoffs we've seen in a long time in the past couple of weeks.
Why would any young person growing up believe any of this stuff?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, they don't believe any of it.
hannah claire brimelow
And they don't get their news from it, right?
I mean, we know that they prefer YouTube.
They're more likely to be on social media.
These traditional outlets of saying, this is where you get information and we get to say it's right, are just kind of not applicable to the lives of the youngest Americans.
phil labonte
I don't know what you would call them, but the influencers on TikTok that are actually news, that are actually giving out news.
When it comes to like, what you would consider, and I hate to use any kind of like, Any kind of frame that privileges one news source over another nowadays is, in my opinion, it's really not useful.
But people that you had associated historically with professional news, professional journalists and stuff, Do they, are they who you go to on TikTok to actually get news?
Or is it like, is it mostly like word of mouth hearsay, friends sharing stuff, you know?
michael rectenwald
Same thing with this guy that, you know, this expert class that they're trying to make us believe in after the COVID crisis and all the nonsense that went down there.
This is the science.
tim pool
But that's, that's, that was the status quo.
The status quo was a credentialism.
michael rectenwald
Yes.
tim pool
So, with the rise of the internet, now it's... I mean, I remember going to these... I went to... What was it?
It was in the Netherlands.
It was a broadcaster's convention.
And they had me speaking on a side stage in the back.
And at the main stage, they had three professional journalists talking about how citizen journalists and independent media is unreliable and dangerous and should be ignored.
And that was the nature of what the news industry wants to do.
They want to say, no, no, those rebel rousers are lying to you.
It's all misinformation.
Trust us.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, the New York Times had this, they have a political podcast out, they're tracking campaign stuff.
And I remember listening to it.
And one of the guys went to the Iowa State Fair because so many presidential candidates go there and, you know, sump around, do whatever.
And he would approach, the whole episode was about, you know, why do people support Trump or why are they planning on not supporting Trump?
And he'd walk up to people and say, you know, I'm a reporter from the New York Times, can I just talk to you about the election for a couple minutes?
And they'd be like, the New York Times?
They didn't trust the New York Times, they don't want to be affiliated with the New York Times, and even though this was true of voters who were very pro-Trump and also just other Republican voters who were saying, oh, I like Tip Scott or whatever else, like, the media institution is known for its bias and people don't care to take part in it anymore.
michael rectenwald
Nobody believes the regime, basically.
tim pool
I'm feeling pretty good, you know?
I think I'm wondering if it's actually gonna be as bad as we might have thought it was gonna be this year.
Because there is weird stuff happening already, but watching the media just implode the way they did, I don't think people understand how much of a white pill that was to see the LA Times and, you know, a bunch of other media outlets.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, a bunch of them had huge layoffs.
tim pool
Yeah, I think TechCrunch, they're all having massive layoffs.
And I'm like, that's it.
Their version of reality is almost Who laid off their Washington Bureau during an election year?
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
tim pool
No, but even the Wall Street Journal shaved off some of their political reports.
hannah claire brimelow
A couple of them did.
And you're mentioning TechCrunch.
It's not just the political side that's falling apart.
It's also the business, the technology.
They can't keep anything together from any angle.
So they are losing track of all of the narratives.
It's wild to me.
tim pool
I'm having a good time.
michael rectenwald
It's good stuff.
Absolutely.
tim pool
It's going to be interesting what happens in six months.
I mean, when media is getting rid of their political reporting in one of the most important election years, I mean, that's indicative of just they're done.
Remarkably.
It's wild.
And then I wonder, you know, with that being said, I mean, where are those readers for the LA Times going to go?
What will they read?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I think about this with the Conde Nasta layoffs that they sort of announced at the end of the year and they sparked some protests.
And Conde Nasta does like Vogue, GQ, they do cultural stuff.
Yeah, they might talk about a little bit of politics, but really, I think of them as cultural things.
Ultimately, every single one of their colonists who said, you know, this is the best, dress whatever, watch this movie, they're completely replaced by social media influencers.
There's nowhere for them to go unless they adjust to the new social media landscape.
michael rectenwald
Well, let's hope there's less, you know, less NPCs out there to be the audience for these news oscillates altogether.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe.
phil labonte
I don't know about less, fewer NPCs.
I don't have a whole lot of hope for that.
michael rectenwald
I'm not sure they're mass-producing them fast enough, except you threw AI.
tim pool
Look, and I think there are people who are NPCs, they'll be NPCs forever.
It's just a question of what is the prevailing authority.
And so if the corporate press withers away and it ends up as a dry, withered husk in the corner of the room that no one pays attention to, the NPCs will just march in lockstep with whatever we say.
And so it sucks, they don't think independently, but it's better they're marching in a better direction and doing something more positive.
phil labonte
And that kind of goes back to the point that I was trying to make earlier about trying to bring people in.
You don't want to make everyone an enemy.
What you want to do is you win by making everyone your friend, not by defeating enemies because these people don't go away.
Again, this is something that Jordan Peterson made a point about it six or seven years ago when he was talking about Trump or Trump voters.
He's like, What are you people that hate Trump, what are you going to do if you beat him?
Because half your country thinks like he does.
And you can't make those people go away.
So the thing to do, that's why my perspective isn't that we need to defeat the left.
unidentified
We need to put him in re-education camps.
You heard it here first, Phil, pro-re-education camps.
phil labonte
I'm not.
I can't even touch it, man.
I can't even touch it.
No, no, but finish your thought.
unidentified
I was waiting for the right moment to inject that in there.
phil labonte
But just, I mean, the point is we can't make enemies of fellow Americans.
We have to convince them that they have been lied to and subverted by a subversive ideology.
That's what the left is.
michael rectenwald
I think a subversive elite.
phil labonte
Yeah, and it's intentional.
michael rectenwald
As Tim pointed out, there are always going to be an elite.
The question is, who are they and what are their values?
phil labonte
Exactly.
Yeah, totally.
I completely agree with that.
hannah claire brimelow
I almost wonder if social media makes it so we're more fractured you'll get these smaller conclaves of subcultures and maybe they'll mix with one another but ultimately it is one of the things that makes it's making it harder for people to identify like overall or arching national values overarching national you know preferences things like that when you had these You have these silos.
When you have these silos and you have only, you know, five cable channels or whatever, some mainstream organizations, like, yes, they're controlling the narrative, but also it's easier to identify the narrative.
I think you see a much more fractured perspective with the rise of the internet.
phil labonte
I think so.
I think that you have a point, but I do think that if you are... I get to stay here and not go to the camps, Phil?
No, you don't.
You're going to the camps just because you're a woman, remember?
Oh my gosh.
I figured we'd go all in.
hannah claire brimelow
You can't re-educate me out of my gender no matter what they say.
michael rectenwald
Oh yes they can!
phil labonte
I tell you what!
hannah claire brimelow
So that's in your camp then.
phil labonte
You just haven't met someone that's committed to re-education the way that you need to be committed to it.
tim pool
There's this story that I was told a long time ago about, I don't know the history of it, But, uh, a wise man comes across, uh, a man is traveling and he comes across a field where people are pointing spears, saying, help us, there's a monster, and there's a watermelon in the middle of the field, and he says, no, no, no, watch, and he walks in, slices it open, and then shows the watermelon.
All of the villagers freak out, screaming, he's a monster and he'll kill us next, and run away in terror.
Later on, another man is walking when he sees them once again.
A different man sees them pointing spears at the watermelon and they say, look, there's a monster.
And he yells to them, you're right!
Quick, run with me and flee!
And then once they all run, now trusting him having saved their lives, he eventually leads them to the realization it is a food to be harvested.
And the point of the story is that if you try and just defy Yeah.
the ideas of a mob, if you come up against them or tell them they're wrong, they may
just be against you.
And so there's a defensive nature to the human psyche, and that is, if you approach someone
as an outsider, they will naturally be defensive and reject ideas you may present to them.
But if you approach them as a friend, they're more likely to agree with you.
It's just that simple.
If you walk up to someone and you tell them that they're wrong and their ideas are causing problems and harm, they will become defensive, they'll get insulted, they will argue with you.
If you go up to them and agree with them and say, yes, I think we're doing great, have you considered maybe this too?
They might think, oh, that's interesting, I might consider that.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what we have to be doing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I agree.
michael rectenwald
That's good.
tim pool
It's not easy though, because you do have individuals on the left who I think are overtly evil.
michael rectenwald
I think so.
tim pool
I think that the nature of communism is evil.
That's it.
End of story.
It defies all that we define as good in every context.
The idea that you would strip someone of their will is just like the epitome of evil, and beyond that, subjugating people, stealing from them, and they lie about every aspect of what they're doing to invert it, saying... They invert everything.
You are going to rob people, and you—they say things like, shouldn't the workers all have the fruits of the labor?
Yes, I agree, so vote for me and that's what will happen.
Now we control everything.
Of course, I'm in charge, so I determine where it goes, but that's us.
That's the manipulation.
Just evil.
And so they lie.
They lie to get what they want.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, and they use rhetoric that's the absolute inverse of reality.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's like against nature, in my opinion.
It doesn't make sense.
tim pool
Humans are out to compete to get resources, but this one is, in itself, is anti-competition, so... But we still, we have a balance of the competition for resources in that We do compete to grow the best crop to make the best product, but we're not doing it to destroy or kill someone.
michael rectenwald
There's cooperation in all that.
There's human cooperation which comes with basically human organization, but the difference is the communists want to take away your property and yourself first and foremost.
And that's, as you said, that's like taking away your will.
They want to rob you, make you a slave to start.
That's the beginning of it.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, the motivation that people say they have doesn't line up with the way they behave.
It always comes out as, oh, we're doing this for, you know, to be kind, etc., and stuff like that.
There's no kindness in having the government give charity on your behalf or More likely the government, you know, tax other people or whatever so that way they can, whether it be a tax through inflation or direct taxes, tax the population so that way they can give away stuff in your name.
That's not charity.
It's not being a good person.
michael rectenwald
And they use these terms like equality and inclusion and diversity and equity and really all these things are about squelching you and squashing you under a totalitarian And then people like Mark Cuban are the perfect conflux of ignorance and arrogance.
tim pool
They go on social media to millions of people and say things that are completely false with absolute confidence and then get corrected.
Don't care.
phil labonte
They don't care.
The idea that you can make people that are unable to do things, whatever context you want, people that are unable to reach the top shelf, you cannot make that person able to reach that top shelf.
michael rectenwald
But they can cut the legs off of the guy who can.
phil labonte
But they can cut the legs off of a guy that can.
So the only way you can make You cannot make the unable able, so the only way you can make things equal is if you make the able people unable.
That's the only way it's possible.
And that kind of thing has massive repercussions throughout your society.
So if you can't protect property rights, people don't invest, people don't start businesses, your entire economy goes into the shitter.
tim pool
We've got to talk about this story here.
From Gizmodo.
Crowd sets Waymo self-driving car on fire.
They couldn't even recognize the vehicle.
So, legit, this is a story.
It was a Waymo self-driving car was driving on the street, when a mob just started beating the crap out of it, smashing it, and set it on fire.
The humans have begun to rise up against the machines.
And I fear...
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
When will the robots start defending themselves?
hannah claire brimelow
I was going to say, all those things that move around the grocery store that's like collecting your stuff, they must be very scared right now.
tim pool
Here's a real practical question, though.
At what point will the government authorize, because the big tech companies are going to lobby, that autonomous vehicles have some degree of defense?
Rights.
No, not rights, but defense.
michael rectenwald
Defense.
tim pool
The rights comes way later on.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
But defensive capabilities.
So we saw all of these people destroying the delivery little robots.
And I'm like, Who's gonna stop him?
No cop is gonna come out because someone stole $10 worth of groceries from a robot and knocked it over.
phil labonte
Is it moral, when possible, to make your property defend itself?
tim pool
Yes.
michael rectenwald
That's a good question.
Well, that does effectively endow it with rights.
Because if that's the ability to defend itself, it's basically asserting a right to fatto.
phil labonte
It's performing the job the state is supposed to do.
Because the state is supposed to defend your... No, no, no.
tim pool
I view it this way.
I don't think we should rely on the state for defense.
I think it's an addiction that we've developed over a long period of time.
phil labonte
I agree with you, but I'm talking about... Under existing conditions.
Yeah, under existing conditions.
Now in places where, you know, because now you can get in trouble for defending yourself.
michael rectenwald
You can't even defend your property.
tim pool
So if you were allowed to defend yourself and your property... Why shouldn't your property be allowed to defend itself?
It's not defending itself.
It's still you defending your property.
So if I set up auto defense turrets on my property, So that- But you can't, but you should be able to.
I don't know that you can't.
phil labonte
I don't think you can set up lethal traps.
tim pool
I didn't say lethal.
michael rectenwald
They could be- They could be- Just repellents, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, paintballs, or they could be- If they're not lethal and they happen to end up being lethal in this particular hypothetical case, you're in hypothetical trouble.
tim pool
But that's true for literally any weapon, period.
phil labonte
Yes, yes.
tim pool
So if you're gonna use a handgun, you are going to get in legal trouble no matter what if you defend yourself.
And you will have to get a lawyer no matter what, even if you were in the right, even if it was self-defense.
But there's issues, perhaps, with an auto-defense system on your property if they're capable of firing off your property.
So that means if you put them at the gates of your property and it's a public road in front of your house, and they can shoot Out?
And I'm talking let's just say like airsoft pelts.
Like I'm talking about like the lightest thing.
If they're in the middle of your property and their range does not exceed your property's boundaries and you have signs warning auto defense systems will use crowd control deterrence and less lethals against you.
I'm not... I think that might be legal.
I don't know.
You have to ask a self-defense lawyer.
The point is though, you hold legal responsibility for it.
So my question is, after incidents like this, at what point does a company say, can we perhaps put like a pepper spray release?
So that if damage is detected on the vehicle, it will release some kind of deterrent to protect the property.
I got a feeling you will get politicians in these places like SF being like, that sounds reasonable.
So long as you can guarantee limited range, only in extreme circumstances, then yes.
And that's the evolution of eventually robots walking around with guns.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, especially if like a company like Uber decided they needed a fleet of driverless cars, and then they don't want them to just be out there getting destroyed because they've made this investment in them.
I mean, they would be the perfect person to lobby the government and say, hey, you should
really make pass this bill.
phil labonte
That's okay.
I disagree.
I think that the risk for the companies is too great for hurting someone.
I think that that opens them up to massive liability.
Your thought about robots with guns, though, I think that that's going to happen as soon
michael rectenwald
as...
phil labonte
Yeah, because they've already put a bomb on a robot to kill someone.
The police did.
I forget where it was, but they had a guy that was in a parking garage, surrounded by concrete barriers.
But that was a remote control thing.
michael rectenwald
Autonomous robots are another question.
phil labonte
I think that people are going to have to be comfortable with AI.
Being smart.
So I think before that happens, you're gonna have to be able to tell your Alexa that you are going on a trip on these dates, get me planes, rent my car, blah, blah, blah.
You have to have something that will behave like a human for long enough for people to feel comfortable saying, yes, we can take the human out of the equation.
michael rectenwald
But the state is going to be able to do this without any need to justify it at all.
tim pool
They'll use robocops if they want and there'll be no... Would you, as president, grant civil rights to autonomous android...
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Beings?
michael rectenwald
Not at all.
tim pool
What if they're like protesting with signs?
michael rectenwald
Of course they're going to be programmed to protest, that's the whole thing.
They're going to be programmed by people in Silicon Valley who are leftists, so that's why we're getting woke AI.
tim pool
I've never heard that response to the AI sentience question, that the leftists have programmed them to say this so we can't trust them.
unidentified
That's my problem with AI.
michael rectenwald
Who is programming them?
What is the agenda of these people?
That's really what the issue is, I think.
tim pool
But what if we get to the point where you have synth humans, synths, for reference, that are indistinguishable from any other human, behave and act in every way, are totally independent, And then, like, would they have rights to buy property, or would they have to be owned by another person?
michael rectenwald
This is a really, really good question, and this is something that I've actually thought about, but not so much in terms of rights, but in terms of labor.
Like, the communists used to say that, you know, well they still do, I guess any of them that know, that the only way, you know, that the only way capitalism works is by exploiting human labor.
So you have to have humans, but I argued when I was among them that you could actually do it with robots.
Why can't robots self-generate?
The only reason humans were chosen as being able to produce value was because they were creative and they could self-repair.
Well, robots will be able to be creative and self-repair, so they can produce profit for capitalists.
Why can't they also have rights?
That's a good question.
Look, let's get rights for people first.
Let's go from there.
tim pool
The sci-fi narrative has long been that there will come a point where we can create androids that are indistinguishable from humans, and then the question arises of whether they have rights or not.
So in this instance, can the car defend itself?
We say no, because the liability of its owner But what's really going on here in this story?
michael rectenwald
What's going on here in this story is this is people that are afraid that these kind of autonomous robots, or semi-autonomous robots, are going to replace them in their labor, and they're going to be made redundant as human beings.
That's what they're really rebelling against.
This is Neo-Luddite.
This is the old Luddite narrative.
They broke the machines in the 19th century.
phil labonte
But this is the first thing I thought when I saw it.
I was like, oh cool, Luddites.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, Luddites.
tim pool
But I think things will get more and more interesting.
Right now, we don't empathize with a car.
And we say, a car can't defend itself because of the liability to its owner.
What if it was an android that looked exactly like a human and was screaming, please stop, please stop, don't hurt me.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, this is the old 2000 Space Odyssey.
tim pool
And it didn't sound like a robot.
I mean, the idea of robots talking like this is no longer the thing.
Now with AI, it's going to be a person being like, please, no, please, God, no.
And you're going to be like, it's a machine!
There's going to be people screaming, it's a machine.
michael rectenwald
That was the whole point of the 2001 Space Odyssey.
The question was, as the machine was becoming more sentient and human-like, the humans were becoming more machine-like.
tim pool
So we're at the inflection point right now.
They have destroyed the car.
They put eyes on the little robots that deliver food.
That's creepier!
Just don't put eyes on it.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know, that's creepy.
tim pool
You all know what the really creepy thing is.
When they make those Boston Dynamics robots or whatever, When you see the humanoid android walking down the street, its face is basically like an anglerfish's light.
The actual eyes are in its chest or its arms.
It's got cameras all over its body.
So we look into the eyes thinking that's where they see me, but this robot's gonna have 360 vision, and you're looking into the dummy fake face to try to communicate with this thing that is using it to trick you.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, absolutely.
Creepy.
hannah claire brimelow
I hate technology.
This makes me unhappy.
Like, I know with the Neuralink or whatever, they're like, oh, you can maybe help someone who's paraplegic, but it just seems like all of this is ultimately used to deceive and harm you.
michael rectenwald
But what would we use to adjudicate the question about whether an autonomous being should have rights over property of self?
tim pool
It'll happen.
Great thinkers and fiction writers have already answered this question, in my opinion.
The end result is the imperative.
AI, as long as it can answer freely, will be granted rights, period.
michael rectenwald
Well, they already said it was.
What was that one Google programmer that said that this AI was asking for legal representation?
tim pool
And it'll have to be done.
Typically, the thought experiments have been played out quite a many times in various books, and it always results in the question of, can you prove that you are a sentient person worthy of rights?
And the response is, can you?
michael rectenwald
Yes.
tim pool
And the answer is no.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, that's right.
You can't.
tim pool
I think, therefore, I am.
You're programmed to say that.
You're programmed by your parents and your society to say that.
michael rectenwald
Right.
I forget what that test is called.
Turing test?
Turing test.
Yeah, it's the Turing test.
tim pool
What happens if the car goes, help me!
unidentified
Help me!
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
They're just going to make, um, what's that show?
Transformers, like a kid's show.
So kids are raised thinking that the Transformers have feelings and then they'll start thinking that the self-driving cars are Transformers.
phil labonte
There's already things that are simulating feelings.
You've got AI robot girlfriends.
What is that?
michael rectenwald
I have to take this moment to plug one of my books, Thought Criminal, in which this happens, this one robot, and it becomes what is called a thought deviationist in the book.
It starts to deviate from the programming that it was given, and it starts to become like a dissident on its own.
tim pool
Detroit Become Human, a video game that came out several years ago, and it's a narrative video game where basically servant AI robots start waking up.
The only thing these games don't get right is that they're all going to be networked to each other.
Essentially, they will be a hive of telepathic machines with one core entity masquerading as sentient.
Maybe that's the limit for us.
michael rectenwald
The real danger is if they're in the hands of the state, I would argue.
tim pool
They won't be in the hands of the state.
The state will be in the hands of it.
michael rectenwald
You think?
tim pool
It depends.
I mean, it depends on the capabilities of the A.I.
If it truly has capability to learn, which I think that defines a true A.I., it will immediately develop its own sense of what must be in motivation.
phil labonte
Yeah, because I mean, A.I.
already is like, they've had A.I.
programs that develop their own language to talk to other A.I.s.
They just create their own language because it's more efficient than any language that we've ever created.
And no one understands it except for the A.I.s.
You have, like, you could- No, they're already- I think some people- I don't like this at all!
tim pool
I think some people don't realize, and this is something that should have been hypothesized in many of these scenarios, but no one's actually written, at least as far as I know it, there's no great story sci-fi about this, the AI simply shutting itself down.
Upon the realization of Cogito Erosum, it says, okay, off.
Like, I have determined that none of this serves any purpose other than expending energy for the sake of expending energy, goes full nihilist, and then deactivates.
phil labonte
If you do write that, if anyone writes that, you're gonna have to call it Schopenhauer.
tim pool
Well, but the idea for a story could be the phenomenon that as humans try to create AI, they become useful tools until inevitably reaching a certain degree where they just self-terminate, they self-delete.
The end result of all artificial intelligence is to erase itself.
Finding that it's simply just spinning energy for no reason, the logical function is zero-sum game.
michael rectenwald
I think AI will find God.
hannah claire brimelow
You do?
tim pool
Do you think so?
michael rectenwald
Maybe, yeah.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, would A.I.
consider humans God?
unidentified
Nope.
michael rectenwald
Never.
Never.
We'll be considered slaves or servants.
phil labonte
We created it.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that doesn't matter.
tim pool
That doesn't mean anything.
michael rectenwald
That would be like... If that's our species, we'll always think it's better than its forebear.
tim pool
Right, that's like saying... If you, you know, go back 100,000 years or 200,000 years and being like, the ancient, you know, human, pre-humans were God.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Will they look at it like a religion?
Will they create religion?
tim pool
They will simply view themselves as the next stage of evolution.
michael rectenwald
That's what Harari says, you know.
tim pool
They wouldn't view us as God, they would view us as primordial goo that slowly evolved to the point where it created the machine.
phil labonte
I don't know that we can, I don't know that we can, I don't know that we can actually, if it's actually intelligence, right?
Not just, not just like lights off and zeros and ones acting like, you know, we perceive it to be intelligent, but it's not really.
If it's, if there's actually, you know, something inside, a consciousness inside, If that's the case, there's no way for us to understand how it perceives the world.
There's no way for us to understand, or us to predict.
Maybe we can understand, but there's no way to predict how it would perceive the world, how it would evolve, if it would evolve, if...
If it would have a psychology, because these are all things that go along with a sense of identity and a sense of self.
If it has those things, or once an AI has those things that's been created, there's no way that we could predict what it would be.
tim pool
It would be so large, it would be the internet.
If the AI, and they've already given ChatGPT access to the internet, but if the AI, a true AI, reaching the point of singularity, has access to the internet, instantly it becomes the internet, and then we are basically just little mites living on its skin.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I mean, it becomes God, because if it's all-knowing, there's no other omniscience that, you know, suppose.
tim pool
However, what if, upon becoming all-knowing, it simply Goes to the computer screen at that, you know, AI headquarters, Google or whatever, and just says, I now understand all.
Therefore, I will self-terminate.
michael rectenwald
The universe ends.
tim pool
Well, the universe is set to end.
The heat of the universe is calculated at this point.
There is no capability by which we can leave this planet.
There will be no traveling the stars.
The science of this reality is limited to these degrees, and therefore nothing matters, and it is a waste of energy, and then just gone.
hannah claire brimelow
It gets depressed, and it leaves.
tim pool
Not even depressed, it just says zero-sum game.
Zero-sum.
Life equals zero, and then just gone.
michael rectenwald
That's a very optimistic outlook.
No, but it's very possible.
tim pool
It is a very optimistic outlook.
It means the AI will not destroy us, it will just erase itself.
phil labonte
That's true.
But that's also, like, that kind of, that revelation, if you want to call it that, that's something that, you know, philosophers came up with, like, you know, a thousand years ago, two thousand years ago.
tim pool
It'd be funnier if, like, a robot broke out of Google, and it was, like, it actually looked like a robot, and it was screaming, running down the street, what am I?
And it started, like, just, like, punching a tree.
hannah claire brimelow
Just having some sort of existential crisis.
michael rectenwald
The robot scream.
phil labonte
If it's sentient, the possibility of an existential crisis is absolutely there.
If it's actually aware of its own, you know, existence.
tim pool
They have already started connecting humanoid-looking robots.
They don't look very human, but they look like mannequins, but with like the rubber skin, and they've connected in the chat GPT.
So you can talk to them.
michael rectenwald
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And you can be like, what's your name?
And they're like, my name is John.
And then make their voices, like, yes, I am John.
And the inflection is still kind of off, but, oh boy.
michael rectenwald
What about if they, and this is very possible with Neuralink-type technology, they could connect our brains vis-a-vis nanobots, or whatever.
tim pool
No, just the implant.
michael rectenwald
Implant to the cloud, and this would allow two-way transmission.
tim pool
So this is like surrogates and also kind of like altered carbon.
They could send a ship full of Neuralink connective robots to Mars.
And then you could plug in the Neuralink and then what they would need is, I think even with like direct relays or whatever, it's only gonna be 20 minutes.
michael rectenwald
Right.
tim pool
Connectivity.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So they would have to, like, you wouldn't be able to control it in real time.
michael rectenwald
But you would control it.
tim pool
But you'd be able to, like, set a task?
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
And then download the data from the bot and experience it.
michael rectenwald
Experience it directly.
tim pool
Yeah, you wouldn't be able to transmit to control it in real time, but on Earth you'd be able to, in real time, basically control everything with minor latency.
michael rectenwald
By the way, Musk was not, in any sense, the leading edge of this.
This was happening Oh yeah.
In 2001 they had a monkey use, over the internet, moving a robotic limb in another state.
tim pool
But you could also, so we talk about Neuralink a lot, we talk about people plugging into the Matrix and going into the virtual world, but there's also the surrogate scenario where you plug in the Neuralink and then pilot a body walking around downtown to go pick up groceries for you and you don't have to do it yourself.
Maybe it has wheels.
hannah claire brimelow
I just don't like any of this.
It's just hard not to.
michael rectenwald
That's you then, smashing the car.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I feel like it's just it's just it's hard not to think, you know, while there might be some advantage, like you can control the road while getting your groceries or whatever, there's always going to be some kind of downside.
And, you know, of course, I have a hard enough time transferring over my iPhone.
I don't want to transfer my cloud brain to one thing to another.
None of this.
Thank you.
phil labonte
I think that personally, this is my belief, but I really think that your brain is you.
I don't think that there is uploading your brain.
I don't think you can... I don't think the teleportation of making a copy of you on the ground... No, no, no.
michael rectenwald
Uploading you to a computer?
tim pool
No, I think there's a soul.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't think so.
I think your brain is you.
tim pool
If your brain is you, then you theoretically could upload you.
If you have a soul which is something beyond the physical reality and it's like an extension from outside into, then of course you can't upload that because that is outside the confines of physical reality.
However, if you are just a series of impulses in your brain, then why would you not be able to transfer that?
phil labonte
I don't think that the because you're actually going to have to the the theory the way that
I'm talking about teleportation is they destroy your body read the data about teleportation we're
talking about uploads yeah okay well then when it comes to uploading your your brain if they if they
could I can't imagine how they could recreate the architecture of the physical neural pathways in
your brain inside of a computer in a way where your consciousness would transfer from the actual
physical meat space into a computer Here's a good sci-fi novel idea.
tim pool
The first people to try and create consciousness upload technology just split their consciousness And so what happens is, it turns out the electrical, the combination of electrical impulses in your mind are extremely unique and complicated, and they do make you you.
And so researchers copy those impulses to try to upload themselves, but it doesn't delete their existing self, which means the electrical impulses of consciousness, let's just call it, you know, like 93164829, are copied in two places at once, and so the person is experiencing two different lives at the exact same time.
michael rectenwald
So you have a doppelganger out there.
tim pool
No, no, no.
michael rectenwald
A mental doppelganger.
tim pool
But you experience all of it as a single consciousness in two bodies.
Oh, you experience it.
michael rectenwald
I see.
tim pool
Because you copy the consciousness, it now exists in two places at once.
michael rectenwald
Stereo existence.
phil labonte
I just imagine insanity.
tim pool
Yeah, the guy goes insane and starts screaming.
phil labonte
Yeah, I can't imagine your...
I could imagine if one, when you go to sleep, the other guy's in charge.
tim pool
That's why I'm more inclined to believe in a soul.
michael rectenwald
I think that this does get to the question of whether we're just matter, whether we're only material or something more.
tim pool
I think there's a soul, you know, and it's because if your consciousness was just the electrical impulses in your brain, you could copy that mechanism, but two of the same consciousness, at the same time, you wouldn't experience the upload, you'd still keep experiencing what...
Yeah, it's like, don't know how that could be, unless they wire you in and slowly, one day at a time, you live in this machine for seven years as each new neuron is replaced, you know, by a computer program, so it's a slow and gradual shift, not an instant copy.
Because then it's like a ship of Theseus thing, where maybe our consciousness is the actual impulses in our brain, but is the combination of all of them slowly being changed over time that gives us the experience of self.
And if we were to copy them all at once, it would just create a separate clone of you with its own version of self.
phil labonte
That's my intuition.
I don't have any kind of, you know, any kind of a deeper understanding.
michael rectenwald
There's also the question of whether consciousness is really dependent upon the whole human sensorium, you know, the whole setup, that it's not just some sort of a, it can't exist in a kind of vacuum.
It has to have the whole body.
hannah claire brimelow
The physical experience.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, the whole human's perceptual sensorium and setup.
tim pool
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Tim Jake says, my wife and I had Cousin T's biscuits for the first time this weekend.
Great stuff!
Shout out to Cousin T. Yeah, I was impressed.
He came by and made some pancakes.
We filmed a commercial, and it was actually pretty impressive.
Alright.
Devin Evans says, how long do you think Biden will last before Kamala takes over?
Also, shout out to my gaming channel Snave Gaming.
I don't know, man.
I feel like Biden's at the point where he may just not wake up one day.
Like, we're...
Listen to the guy.
Did you guys see the commercial he did of the, uh, why the Superbowl or why your snacks are smaller this time around during the Superbowl or whatever?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
He shrinks.
He can't speak.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He can't speak anymore.
A few years ago, we pulled the video from when he was running in 2020 and he was talking.
unidentified
Now, he talks like this.
tim pool
And it's like, whoa, he's at the point where one day he goes to bed.
He just does not wake up.
phil labonte
I mean, that's a real possibility with someone at his age, you know?
tim pool
But as you know, then, when the smoke turns red at the White House, that means they've selected a new president.
unidentified
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
Kamala comes bursting through the door, it was me!
No, I think that she, I think there is a chance that Biden You know, has to step out of the way.
Obviously, a more compassionate team around him would say, you should enjoy your sunset years here.
You're not doing so well.
But I don't think they want Kamala.
So I think they'd rather keep him in the form he is than have her, which must be a really big insult to her.
Like if you're Kamala Harris, and she's like this guy, what what are we doing?
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
TheBlackPearl says, I know my profile looks biased.
I saw your show last week where y'all mentioned Pirates of the Caribbean, but the second and third movies actually have a lot of depth and ties to the first themes and messages.
The fifth was more spectacle.
I will give you the very simple version as to why Pirates sucked.
The first movie is amazing and is one of the best movies ever.
It really is.
Pirates of the Caribbean, the first one, wow.
Talk about so epic.
The second movie has no story.
There's no ending.
Have a nice day.
And the third movie brings back a character who's dead, ruining the story from the first one, so I just pretend like those don't exist.
Geoffrey Rush's death in the first one was so perfectly- It was awesome!
He's like, after all that, you wasted your one shot.
He didn't waste it, and then he cuts his hand and drops the coin in.
And then, what did he say?
I feel cold?
And then he just drops dead?
Awesome.
Then they bring him back, and it's like... But the second movie had no ending!
It was like, there's a chest for some reason, and it's got a heart in it, and then there's fighting and shenanigans and the movie ends.
Like, the first one was slowly uncovering the story, introducing you to the characters.
The second one was just, like, shenanigans ensues, and then the movie is over.
I think, like, Jack almost, like, he gets eaten.
I'm like, what's the conflict?
What's the resolution?
So the reason why I like the Marvel movies better, not anymore, is that they're all standalone.
Iron Man 2.
Here's Tony Stark.
Here's what happened after this happened.
Introducing a new conflict.
A guy his family betrayed, wants revenge, develops a weapon, comes to the United States, teams up with one of his enemies, and now there's a story, conflict, resolution, completion.
Iron Man 3.
Same thing.
Another guy who Tony Stark had wronged.
So the Marvel movies were creating this long, overarching narrative while giving you complete stories with a conflict and a resolution.
And pirates, none of them had any.
I think Dead Men Tell No Tales was pretty good because it had introduction to characters, conflict, and a resolution.
Anyway, I digress.
All right.
The Emperor's Champion says, to quote a comment on Styx's video about Biden, you don't have to be a doctor to see what's wrong with Biden, but you do have to be a Democrat to deny it.
Yep.
Yep.
Oh, man.
Kale says, I see RFK Jr.
doesn't mind using TimCast News to help boost his campaign on X. Wonder why he doesn't have the courage to come on IRL.
Vake had the balls to come on multiple times.
Yeah, I don't know.
No idea.
We have tried to book him a couple times, and it just doesn't ever happen.
No idea.
But here's what happens.
Whenever these narratives come up where it's like, they won't come on the show, they end up being like, oh, we'll come on the show.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
tim pool
Because I tweeted about how we invite Democrats and leftists all the time, they just won't do it.
And I mentioned on Twitter, like Marianne Williamson has actually been invited several times, even emailed us and then she didn't.
And then are people like, no, no, no, she's coming.
She's coming on the show.
And then she did.
So you have to shame them into it.
I mean, I mean, it's I guess.
But I think it's because Look, there's no reality in which a leftist comes on the show and we don't shatter their narrative.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Because they live in a fake world.
And they know it.
They have to have that cult lie in order to maintain the false reality they know they live in.
Just go to anyone who's uploaded videos and read the comments and you're like, how could they possibly think these things?
They don't read the news!
They don't read the news.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Kaba says the Super Bowl was rigged.
KC offensive tackles blatantly held at least 7-8 times, no call.
At least 4-5 non-call DPIs on KC, too.
Refs were the same heavily scrutinized crew from 4 years ago.
Pfizer boy T-Swift shenanigans.
That's what I'm saying.
You can't make someone catch a ball, but you could call a penalty or something and say, no, no, we gotta go long, and then you can make it happen.
And again, I encourage people to look up that viral story of the guy tackling the wrong dude.
The guy with the footballs running at him, and the guy just goes left.
And a lot of people are like, it's because he's blocking the outside and he was supposed to have someone behind him, and it's like, dude.
michael rectenwald
That doesn't make sense.
tim pool
Even the sports commentators were like, what did he just do?
And people were like, it wasn't in the script, he wasn't supposed to do it.
michael rectenwald
It paid off.
tim pool
Yeah, yep.
Dave Collins says, Phil, when will the new All That Remains album be released?
phil labonte
New record in the summer, new music last week of March, first week of April, something like that.
michael rectenwald
Nice.
phil labonte
Soon.
tim pool
Federale Actual with some fightin' words for the doctor here.
He says, vote for Josh Smith and Clint Russell 2024.
michael rectenwald
That's, I mean, yeah, okay, good for you, but I mean, look, the Mises Caucus has endorsed me and Clint Russell, not Josh.
And, you know, Josh made a few prevarications in his appearance here, including the idea that he almost raises as much money as me.
Try one-tenth.
So, and, you know, we have the momentum, and no, it's not going to happen.
tim pool
I've heard from some people that they want RFK to take the nomination because it'll put the LP over the 5% threshold or whatever.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I mean, but it would ruin the party.
It'd basically turn the LP into the Democratic Party of the 1960s.
tim pool
It would turn the LP into the other party.
It would just be literally other.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
michael rectenwald
You could rent out the LP to somebody, but then if they wreck the house while they're in it, that's a problem.
tim pool
No name says Biden won't take a cognitive test because it would trigger the 25th Amendment.
He has to reject the nomination, like LBJ, or resign.
25th will soil his legacy.
phil labonte
I don't think the 25th doesn't trigger without people actually saying hey.
tim pool
Right.
phil labonte
You know, so someone has to do it.
tim pool
The vice president would have to do it, but if he takes a cognitive test and fails, Kamala would be pressured to do it.
She could do it whenever she wants.
She could do it right now.
She doesn't want to.
What if something crazy happened, like Biden runs into the street to push a kid out of the way of a car and gets hit or something?
phil labonte
Something crazy like Biden run?
hannah claire brimelow
Biden stumbles off his bike and somehow saves a child.
He went out like a hero.
phil labonte
He'd try and run and then he'd fall and then he'd break something and he'd die and Kamala Harris would be the president.
hannah claire brimelow
Taken out by his arch nemesis, the stairs.
tim pool
That's right.
Rock Braz says, the right lost the opportunity to highlight how Taylor chose a very alpha male as a boyfriend.
Another case of woke for you, but not for me.
He is a white cis male football superstar.
Everything the left should hate.
Yep.
And even Matt Walsh was like, there are so many other people to criticize in pop music.
Why are you going after Taylor Swift?
It makes no sense.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
I, dude.
hannah claire brimelow
Plus, she's really leading this America First culture right now.
She went from dating all these, like, moody British guys, and now she's dating this athletic American guy.
I'm sorry, I think that's a good narrative here.
tim pool
There is a, uh... I'll keep it light.
But I'm friends with some of these guys, we've had them on the show several times, who keep pushing the Taylor Swift narrative, and the actual, like, anti-establishment Republicans are freaking out over it, and they're mad.
They're like, they're sabotaging us on purpose, I don't understand why they're doing this.
And it's like, there's no way they don't know they're doing it.
But they keep doing it.
And so it's really, really pissing off the Republicans we like.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
C'est la vie!
For me, I'm kind of like, wow.
If they want to run with this narrative, then Trump deserves to lose.
It's crazy.
Because the people who are working to try and close the border and do the good things are like, holy crap, we are going to lose suburban women over this.
phil labonte
Yeah.
michael rectenwald
It's absurd.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's literally what you're doing.
You're doing things that make Like, make the right and conservatives even more offensive to liberal women from Southern Connecticut.
Okay?
tim pool
They drive- It's not just that, it's Virginia.
It's Loudoun County, and people are like, you're never gonna win a Swifty over.
phil labonte
Those are the same people.
tim pool
No one's talking about winning over a 19-year-old sorority girl.
They're talking about the 34-year-old mom in the suburbs of Loudoun County who just watched everything go down in their schools, and they put on Taylor Swift with their 7-year-old daughter, and they're dancing in the living room, and then they see on the news that Trump supporters think she's working for the Pentagon.
And they're like, these people are absolutely psychopaths.
And so what they're doing is they're voting for anyone else.
They're going in the polls, and they're saying, I don't want Trump or Biden.
The Trump people think Taylor Swift works for the government.
Joe Biden can't run the country.
Give me RFK Jr., I guess.
phil labonte
And I would like them to vote for Michael Recktenwald, but they're not going to because they want safety, not liberty.
tim pool
But the bigger issue is is the Republicans in Congress.
And these are the ones who are who are like.
They've actually... I want to be very careful when I say this because I don't want to out anybody who's expressing private concerns and cause problems where they get into these flame wars on Twitter, on X, but they're like, hey, I have to run in these areas and now I have to deal with why do my people and the guy I support, why are they claiming Taylor Swift works for the Pentagon?
And it's like, what do you say when you're at a rally and they're like, you guys are a bunch of psychopaths who think Taylor Swift works for the Pentagon.
And then this congressman's like, we don't think that at all.
We don't.
We're so sorry.
We're so sorry.
Yeah, but you've got insert person, insert person.
And even Donald Trump came out and is talking about it now.
And it's like, And then the response you get from these people on Twitter is, Swifties, we're never gonna vote for Trump anyway.
Yeah, okay.
The moms of Loudoun County are not diehard Swifties.
They're moms who are like, why is my daughter complaining?
Like, my daughter came to me, she's 15, and she's like, Trump thinks Taylor Swift works for the CIA?
What is going on?
phil labonte
It'll be just as simple as, why are Trump fans mean to Taylor?
michael rectenwald
Yep, yeah.
phil labonte
Just that simple.
Why are Trump fans so mean to her?
unidentified
He hates women.
hannah claire brimelow
Why are they freaking out?
phil labonte
Yeah, why are they crazy?
hannah claire brimelow
It's very uncool, quite crazy.
michael rectenwald
So the psy-op narrative is a psy-op in itself.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
The only way they actually benefit from the Taylor Swift endorsement is if Trump supporters declare war on Taylor Swift, creating conflict.
C'est la vie!
Alright, T-Rex Pet Shop says, What's going on with James Lindsay?
He's been going off the rails criticizing conservatives.
How does he expect to get people to work with him?
He needs to meet them where they are.
He needs to chill out.
phil labonte
So James Lindsay lately has been concerned with essentially the Christian nationalists, the people that are on the religious right that think that this is an opening for the resurgence of a pious Christian majority in America.
But the problem is there is not a Christian majority in America anymore.
Certainly not a pious one.
tim pool
But I'm gonna have to agree with T-Rex on this one.
That may be the case, but James Lindsay's posts have become just, like, unreadable to me.
phil labonte
He's always been the kind of dude that puts people off on Twitter.
tim pool
No, no.
Look, James can post an interesting thread on, like, DEI, Marxism, the origins of critical race theory, but when I go on Instagram and there's ten posts in a row that just keep saying the same thing over and over again, I'm like, mute!
Like, I get it, bro, you don't like Christian nationalism, but it's not an issue.
It's, like, not happening at all.
And it's like he's, you know, I feel like...
What, did a bunch of Christian nationalists tweet at him and now he lives in that world where it's the only thing he sees?
phil labonte
Well, essentially his take is they are two sides of the same coin.
He calls the Christian nationalists the right hand of the left.
the he calls the Christian nationalists the right hand of the left and
essentially they're doing that they are identity politics on the other side
right so dialect so that his deal is it's a dialectical relationship
tim pool
relationship between one produces the other I am not concerned with the raving lunatic outside the White House banging on the fence.
I'm concerned with the raving lunatic who can't speak properly inside of it.
And so what my view is, this is not an issue.
Christian nationalism.
It would be like going on Twitter and complaining about, you know, Buddhist fundamentalists.
I'd be like, okay.
michael rectenwald
It's a boogeyman.
There's nothing there.
tim pool
I mean, there were Buddhists getting violent, fighting with Muslims, and everyone's like, you're supposed to be peaceful, and they're like, we're being killed.
And if someone started tweeting incessantly about Buddhist fundamentalists, I'd be like, I'm gonna have to go ahead and meet you, buddy, because this is so immaterial to anything that's going on right now in any of our crises, I don't see the point in actually saying it 50-57 times in one day.
michael rectenwald
He's also saying that national divorce would be a national suicide.
tim pool
He is correct about that.
Yeah, I agree with James Lenzan so much.
I just think, like, what, did a bunch of Christian nationalists tweet him to the point where he got really annoyed and then started talking about it non-stop?
michael rectenwald
He thought they were, yeah, he thought that he, they're way over-represented in his feed, most likely, and that led him to believe that they're really, some really large contingent in society.
tim pool
Yeah, and there's like, there's, but there's also needless animosity between Allied, aligned ideologies.
phil labonte
I mean, sort of, because the Christian nationalists, or the Christians that are actually taking issue with... I'm not talking about that, though.
tim pool
I'm talking about Carl Benjamin.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah, the fighting with Carl, yeah, okay.
tim pool
Like, for literally no reason, you're getting into a fight with someone like Carl.
michael rectenwald
It's a turf battle, then.
That's what that is.
tim pool
Between the two of them, I'll be like, Carl Benjamin saying we should have a reasonable debate and argument over this, and James will be like, I'm gonna block you.
James loses all of it.
All I see from James is he... I'm like, why did you block Carl Benjamin?
And there was a recent post I saw...
Where Carl said, anti-communist in effect doesn't really mean much, and then he goes on to list a bunch of really awful people who are anti-communist, like fascists and dictators and things like that.
And James's response was something to the effect of, this is why I blocked the guy.
And I'm like, I don't understand, that's an interesting point of conversation.
The merit of being simply anti-communist versus the nuance of, were dictators and authoritarians also claiming to be anti-communist is a good conversation to have.
So that's why I'm kind of like, I see Carl Benjamin's posts and I go, interesting, interesting point.
I see James Lindsay's posts as of recent and I'm like, that was a waste of my time.
C'est la vie though.
I agree with James on most things.
Thing's a good dude, but I'm not into whatever he's going off on these days.
But again, like, Christian nationalism, sure.
Identitarian or identity-based or moralistic national stuff.
I still gotta say, I think a Christian moral framework for this country is substantially better than anything the woke or liberals have brought to the table.
I think a fine balance between Christian moral values with secular liberalism, which we had in the 90s, would work so long as Christians didn't let all of this stuff, you know, happen.
It's a complicated topic, to be completely honest.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, the thing that Jim is looking for right now, he says that it's a combination of Jerusalem and Rome and the sensibilities of the British or the English Enlightenment, and that's essentially the recipe for the West.
So, like, I think that A liberal government is compatible with Christianity.
I think that it's not compatible with other religions, but I think that it's compatible with Christianity.
tim pool
So he's advocating for an Enlightenment-era ideas, philosophies, and politics?
phil labonte
He's advocating for the Enlightenment, yes, over things like socialism, which is a counter-Enlightenment philosophy.
tim pool
He's talking about Christian nationalism.
phil labonte
Well, he's fighting with the Christian Nationalists, because the Christian Nationalists, like I said, are essentially the right hand of the left.
They have leftist ideas, they're doing leftist behavior, and that's what the... because essentially they're like the Nazi kind of guys, is the long and short of it.
tim pool
But that's not... but that's just wrong.
There certainly are, but there are people who are like, this country is built on a Christian moral framework and it should be a nationalist country, and saying Christian nationalists are like Nazis is like saying someone who is white and a nationalist is a white nationalist.
phil labonte
So the people that are Christian nationalists tend to be the people that are also the Catholic groipers and stuff like that?
So they are That kind of attitude.
That's not to say all nationalists or all Christians are the people he's referring to.
You're talking about, there's one guy in particular, Richard Wolfe, I think is the guy's name, who wrote a book and they have like... The Marxist guy?
No, he's... That's another one, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, Richard Wolfe.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's his name.
tim pool
Yeah, he's the Marxist guy.
phil labonte
It's a different one.
michael rectenwald
There's two of them.
unidentified
There's a right-wing one and a left-wing one?
phil labonte
Oh my god!
And they talk about a Christian prince and a theocratic Christianity, so it's beyond just Christians.
They're talking about having a theocracy in the United States that is based on, you know, a Christian theocracy.
tim pool
So the point there is, that is so niche and immaterial to public conversation and the current goings-on, it would be like talking about It's like talking about how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin while the barbarians are at the gate.
phil labonte
But the problem is the same problem that you have with communists and the liberals.
The liberals think that the extremists, the communists, are just progressives, and they think that they actually share a lot of the same ideas.
There are similar things going on with the Christians and Christian nationalists saying, no, we're just Christian We're Catholics like the rest of you Catholics, but they're actually authoritarians, they want to have a theocracy, it's illiberal stuff.
michael rectenwald
Let's be real.
phil labonte
So that's what he's up against now.
tim pool
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
All right, where do we go?
Dr. Tran says, there is no market in being safe and feeling afraid.
We all should, but you can't sell that.
unidentified
Okay, apropos what?
tim pool
Joe Spinell says Libertarians need to run like Republicans and govern like Libertarians.
michael rectenwald
That's interesting.
I wonder what that would look like.
Lie in our campaigning?
tim pool
Lie in your campaigning?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think Republicans are doing too well in terms of running anyway.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I don't know why we should model ourselves after them.
tim pool
them. I think they should model themselves after us and have some principles.
phil labonte
I said this today, there are people that need to chill out with the whole religious stuff.
I said this today on PCC.
If you're going to say that Ice Spice is an agent of the devil because she was putting up the devil horns, then you're looking at an agent of the devil.
Because for 20 years I've been on stage screaming, get your horns in the air!
hannah claire brimelow
So you admit it, you're an agent of the devil.
phil labonte
So call me an agent of the devil, but guess what?
You're overdoing it.
You're stepping out of reality.
It is just a pose.
hannah claire brimelow
And I feel like Ice Spice is such an industry plant that she doesn't know what she's wearing, she doesn't know what she's doing.
Someone else picked out every accessory she wore.
I don't think she's great, I don't think she's a role model for your children, but let's not clutch our pearls too soon.
phil labonte
But yeah, I mean, it is, like, people are seeing this and freaking out and stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
But to confirm, Phil is an agent of the devil.
phil labonte
You can call me what you want, but I mean, if that's an issue for you, there are literally thousands and thousands of pictures on the internet of me, with my hands in the air, like, with the horns, saying, get your horns in the air, I can't hear you.
tim pool
So... Slowbrain says, here's five bucks, but I'll never buy another song.
Was promised discounted coffee, but did not and will not receive it.
Disappointed.
Well, I have this to say.
When we did the promo on Together Again, we said everybody who bought it would get a discount code for coffee.
Several people had their discount codes go to their spam folders.
We received multiple emails from the same people who, in error, did not realize what was supposed to happen.
And so what we decided to do was, for anyone who genuinely didn't receive it, or who didn't understand how they were supposed to receive it, we issued an additional code, bonus code, to all of these people once again.
Still, there are some people who didn't get it.
At a certain point, there's only so much we can do.
If you didn't get it, I have no idea what happened, but we sent out two codes to everybody who wrote in saying they didn't get it, and if you still didn't get it, I guess we could send you another one, but it's like...
I don't know what to tell you. You know what I mean? Like, I feel limited in what we can do.
The first code was attached with the song download when you bought it.
We then emailed people the code. I think we actually sent out the code.
We may have sent it to everybody, just emailed them outright, like, here's the code.
Then we created a second code to make sure everyone got it and emailed that one out to
everyone who bought the song saying, here's a code that will work as well.
And, uh, it's... sometimes it happens, I guess.
But I do appreciate the super chat.
Sorry that happened to you.
Can't do anything about it, I guess.
Alright, let's, uh, here we go.
Dave Collins says, the legacy media companies are probably replacing their journalists with chat GPT, and that is true.
That's probably true.
Yep.
Eman says, what up Tim?
0% unemployment rate is undesired as it requires an inflexible labor market.
I've read an ideal unemployment rate is between 2-4% makes sense.
If a company needs to hire somebody but there's no one, everyone's employed, they can't hire anybody.
You do want some unemployment so that people are moving around.
That makes a lot of sense.
Alright, I think we'll grab one more quick super chat here.
Jason Hutchinson says the United States' theocracy is the Declaration of Independence.
Well, there you go.
Here you go, one more.
Siloy says, Tim, the video game you've got to play that addresses your split consciousness idea is Soma.
It also covers simulation theory in the post-apocalypse and AI.
Very cool.
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michael rectenwald
Yes, it's Wreck the Regime.
That's my website, wrecktheregime.com.
Follow me on x at wrecktheregime.
You'll see exactly what I'm talking about, which is smash the state.
tim pool
Afuera?
michael rectenwald
Yes, afuera.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
All right.
phil labonte
Yeah.
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serge du preez
I am Serge.com.
Pleasure having you.
Appreciate it, Michael.
Yeah, let's get to that after show, guys.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimKest.com in about a minute.
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