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Timcast IRL - Elon Musk Offers To Bring Back Alex Jones To X, Will Run Poll To Decide w/Eli Crane
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tim pool
Bye now.
After Tucker Carlson dropped his interview with Alex Jones about a half an hour long, The Quarterain tweeted that it's time to bring him back and Elon Musk said, yeah, let's run a poll.
And then someone else tweeted, here's why Alex Jones was banned in the first place.
And Elon Musk says, that doesn't sound like, I'm paraphrasing, but that's not a legitimate reason for a ban on someone.
So it may be that we are winning, well, we are literally winning against the censorship industrial complex, but we're also winning against the woke industrial complex because now we've got this big firm saying they're going to pull $100 million out of the universities over these presidents defending far-left calls for... So I want to be very careful on this one.
Elise Stefanik asked, these presidents, if calling for the genocide of Jews broke their rules, and they all said, well, I guess it depends on the context.
This is resulting in a massive backlash, which is particularly interesting.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, we gotta talk about Vivek Ramaswamy!
He said a whole bunch of things on stage last night at the Juby Debate.
He said January 6th looks like an inside job.
He's wrong.
January 6th is definitively an inside job because there's videos of police officers opening the door, fanning people in, taking selfies with them, and giving them guided tours.
So if that's not an inside job, I don't know what is.
But he also said that Great Replacement Theory Is not a conspiracy theory.
It's Democrat policy.
And of course, now Van Jones has said he's shaking hearing this man who's going to outlive Trump by 50 years.
And this is the right of like Nazi fascism, whatever.
Okay, well, how about I play a clip of Van Jones saying that he and the woke left are asking white people to give up on being a majority and accept becoming minority.
Quite literally echoing claims made by those who are discussing Great Replacement.
So we'll talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Rep.
Eli Crane.
ian crossland
Oh, sounds like your mic's not on.
tim pool
Do we get it?
unidentified
Nope.
ian crossland
Oh, we had, I think we had that issue.
We were having a similar issue yesterday.
unidentified
Not with the microphone, that's weird.
I'll figure that out here.
I don't know what's going on.
tim pool
I think it's, so the other day we had a headphone problem.
I'm wondering if whatever is joint, like bringing these cables together is busted?
I mean, it was working, like, literally three minutes ago.
ian crossland
Here, in the meantime- Wait, wait, I heard something.
Nope, still not there.
Come sit over here in the meantime while we work on it.
tim pool
You'll be honorary Ian.
unidentified
Do we know what happened?
eli crane
Not yet.
Trying to figure it out.
tim pool
Alright, well, there you go.
Who are you?
What do you do?
eli crane
Eli Crane, man.
I'm currently a congressman from Arizona.
Former small business owner.
Navy veteran as well.
So, dad, husband, all of that.
tim pool
Right on.
We've got some interesting stuff coming out of Congress.
I guess Jamal Bowman got censured.
eli crane
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, so we'll talk about that.
And this is kind of funny.
Kevin McCarthy resigned.
He's gone.
I mean, was that a big deal for you guys?
No one seemed to care.
He just kind of disappeared.
eli crane
Yeah, I think it was kind of surprising.
I don't think too many people saw that coming.
I was one of the eight who voted him out.
tim pool
Right on.
eli crane
So yeah.
Whoa.
tim pool
Oh, that was it right there.
ian crossland
That was awesome.
tim pool
I think I obviously just heard a noise.
ian crossland
And if you want, we can just- Just talking to it, you can't- We can just do this- Nothing.
You can just do this if you want, Serge, because this works.
I can hear- I think people can hear me.
tim pool
You can just swivel that microphone.
I mean, it's making noises, but I think the cable broke.
phil labonte
Probably just need to get a new cable.
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
Oh, I know what happens.
People keep spinning the arm around.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
And then it ripped the cable out.
ian crossland
Yeah, like tore the threads on the inside of the rubber.
tim pool
Well, Ian doesn't have a camera either.
ian crossland
I'll move your drinks.
eli crane
Ian, if you want me to swap with you, brother.
ian crossland
Yeah, once we get everything set up, we can refabricate the, uh... Anyway, Phil Labonte's here, hangin' out.
phil labonte
Hi everybody, my name's Phil.
I'm the lead singer of All That Remains, the heavy metal band.
I'm a failed musician, anti-communist, and a counter-revolutionary.
And Ian is bouncing around the table.
ian crossland
What up?
I'm sittin' in Dickie Barrett's chair.
You guys see that show?
That was awesome.
tim pool
There were a lot of people up there in that chair.
Milo sat there.
ian crossland
Milo Yiannopoulos sat here.
This is a gold chair.
I like having the musical stuff in the background.
I'll only be here for a little while.
These headphones are a little jacked too.
I think they slide out of this thing.
They don't lock into place.
tim pool
Well, it is what it is.
ian crossland
When it's in, it's in.
tim pool
These things happen.
And then Serge is pressing the buttons.
unidentified
Yep, trying to figure this all out here.
phil labonte
Surge is running, dude.
ian crossland
Surge is like a hurricane.
tim pool
He's spinning around the room.
unidentified
It's showing me that it's feeding, but there's just nothing coming through.
So it looks at the cable.
I don't know.
Cool.
ian crossland
Can you see me?
tim pool
We had a problem with it yesterday, too.
ian crossland
Awesome.
tim pool
I'll say, Lavis, how about we just jump into the news, then?
ian crossland
You want to switch now?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Let's do it.
tim pool
All right, there we go.
Alright, and while they're doing that, here's a story from the post-millennial.
Elon Musk considers bringing Alex Jones back to X. We'll run a poll to decide.
So here's what happens.
We have Tucker Carlson drop his interview with Alex Jones.
The Quartering tweets, Think about how much letting Alex Jones back on X would make the machine rage, Elon Musk.
It's time.
Elon responds.
We'll consider.
In general, since this platform aspires to be the global town square, permanent bans should be extremely rare.
Also, if he does say something false on this platform, then community notes will correct him, whereas that would not be the case elsewhere.
And then he says, let's hold a poll.
So this could be it.
I think with this boycott, the attack against Elon Musk and X, which is clearly nonsensical, Elon earlier was tweeting at Disney because Instagram and Facebook, meta companies, were sued by the New Mexico AG for advancing, allowing, and facilitating child abuse and all that entails, trafficking, etc., and materials.
And so Elon Musk is saying, why are they still advertising on this platform?
How come all these advertisers are on Facebook with no problem about something we've all known about now for, it's been like a year.
Since the initial reports came out that they were doing this, and no action's been taken, and they're boycotting X. I think actions like that result in Elon being like, alright, screw it, Alex Jones is back.
phil labonte
I think that Alex Jones coming back is probably baked into the kick now.
I don't know that I agree that the treatment of Musk currently by the government and by the other media establishment is the defining factor.
I think that the conversation that Tucker Carlson had with Jones, I listened to about half of it on the way here today, and I think that there's a lot of compelling stuff in the conversation that would I think would make Musk kind of sit up and be like, oh, I misunderstood.
Because if I understand correctly, Musk's position was Alex Jones did do this and that's why he was booted off.
And apparently that's not the case.
tim pool
I don't know.
I think Elon Musk's position was publicly, whoa, Alex Jones said a bunch of bad things.
So, you know, there's a line.
But in reality, it was, guys, there's only so much I can do.
Yeah.
He was trying to avoid having every advertiser just jump off the platform, but if that's happening already, it seems like Elon's like, all right, screw it, whatever.
phil labonte
Well, I think, I mean, he probably kind of, I mean, maybe there is a little more to your initial comment than I initially said, because he's probably, he probably is thinking, well, you know, they're banning, they're affecting my advertising base anyways, right?
Like, I've done the things that you're supposed to do to get along with them, But because I own X and don't want to, you know, just allow the FBI to have an office in my building, because of that, then they're still going to go and try and attack me and try and ruin the business.
I think that probably does have a significant impact on his take.
ian crossland
I fully agree.
That's exactly what I think is happening.
I wouldn't even consider that the advertisers aren't even boycotting X, they're boycotting Elon.
It's a personal, it seems personal.
tim pool
I think it's governmental.
phil labonte
Oh, I think, yeah, like I said, that's why I mentioned an FBI desk in Twitter, because that's essentially what they had before.
I forget what his name was, the guy that was the FBI lawyer that worked at Twitter.
He was Twitter's top lawyer, but in the same way that you don't leave the Intel establishment, like if you get out of, you know, you stop working at CIA and you go to a tech company, you're still working for CIA at a tech company.
You still have the connections, you still can talk to the people that you used to work with, and you know for a fact the higher-ups, the bureau chiefs and stuff, or the higher-ups at CIA are calling you up and saying, hey, can you get me this or can you do this if they want something from the tech companies?
ian crossland
You could argue that tech companies, big tech companies, can be weaponized.
I mean, just like Boeing can be weaponized.
phil labonte
They're 100% already part of the military-industrial complex.
ian crossland
Exactly, but they also make commuter jets, like they'll make commercial airliners, but then they were also, machines were weaponized for war, and social media, I think, can also be very, very easily.
So is there, are they right?
Do you, what do you think?
tim pool
Well, I want to ask you, have you worked on any of the weaponization stuff, whether they're tracking what was going on with collusion?
eli crane
No, I haven't.
I'm on Homeland Security, Small Business, and Veterans Affairs.
I think it's great.
I'd love to see Alex back on HECS.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, he's back.
phil labonte
On Homeland Security, you have to have a clearance for that and stuff?
eli crane
Clearance for what?
phil labonte
For Homeland Security.
eli crane
Oh, yeah.
Every member of Congress gets clearance.
phil labonte
Okay, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
ian crossland
What is it that you do, exactly?
tim pool
No, what level of clearance?
Are we allowed to know?
eli crane
I mean, I don't think there's too much that you're not allowed to see as a member of Congress.
tim pool
No, I mean, like, does the public know the degree of clearance that members of Congress get?
Is it publicly known?
Like, if you're in Congress, you get top secret or something?
eli crane
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, you get top secret.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
eli crane
Well then.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I want to know what's going on with... I don't think it's a coincidence that Meta's apps are now widespread reporting about the facilitation of child abuse.
Not a single advertiser cares.
phil labonte
The same thing happened with the whole January 6th thing.
All of the evidence shows that the people that did talk about going to the protest and possibly rioting or whatever, they were all having conversations on Facebook.
And yet the government blamed Parler And went after Parler's infrastructure and basically, you know, torpedoed Parler, saying that people were organizing for the protests and stuff on Parler, when in reality, they were doing it on Facebook.
ian crossland
That makes me think that there is massive government infrastructure in Facebook and they're happy to keep it open for business, because it's like a honeypot.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
The tech companies, whether we realize it or not, the big social media companies that we decided, you know, as a society, we are just going to give all of our information to, They are the the monitoring apparatus for the federal government because the federal government just needs a subpoena Like we we they don't have to like it doesn't have to be this big brother nefarious where they're putting Speakers and star putting microphones in your car and stuff because they're already there in fact We we bought all the speakers and stuff to put into our own you know our own homes so
They don't have to do anything except go to a court and say, uh, you know, we need, uh, we need, you know, we need to subpoena these records.
We need to subpoena the communications for this person for these dates.
All they have to do is know where to look.
The government will go to the court.
The court is, there are, I would be willing to bet anything.
There is not a court in America that would turn the federal government down if they say we need to get, we need to subpoena this information from Google.
ian crossland
I wonder if there was an option for us to scramble all data on all social networks so that no one has access to it, if that would actually be good for the American military-industrial complex defense organization.
Like, if they'd be like, yeah, it's better that no one has it, because right now, yeah, the FBI might have access to it, but so does the Chinese CCP.
They can hack it and take it, too.
And I wonder what they would do if they could do that.
Because I'm thinking about quantum encryption and post-encryption and stuff like that.
phil labonte
I want to say that there was already some kind of legislation about encryption that the government doesn't want the population or the private sector to have encryption technology.
They want to consider it a weapon and say that companies can't have encryption.
That was one of the... I heard... I don't have any detail about it.
This is just something that I heard in passing and I haven't done any kind of Studying up on it, but it doesn't surprise me because the government hates the idea of not being able to access information There's like I just did a conversation with Kevin Kane who does quantum encryption or post quantum encryption I think it's what it's called and they're they're trying to figure out get ahead of the game because once they figure out how to crack
ian crossland
Encryption with quantum computers, then they need to put some kind of new encryption in place.
And it's like, is it even ethical to talk about this out loud?
phil labonte
Because even if we're just spitballing ideas, like they're listening, you know, and I mean, they like the CCP, whoever the boogeyman is that I'm confident the government has people working for them that are way smarter than me that have thought of things that I'm not going to think of.
ian crossland
Yeah, a lot of stuff.
phil labonte
I'm not worried about if I like I'm not worried about giving the government ideas.
ian crossland
A lot of the federal government is getting ahead of the curve.
But it's kind of that thing, like until you know how it can be broken, you don't know what to make to fix it, to prevent it from being broken.
So you got to break it before you can improve it.
And then that could be like bank records get released, everybody's phone calls, texts, all that signal, all your encryption stuff is like, you know, a quantum computer can can take vector attacks, like rather than trying to like ABCD, ABCE, ABC.
phil labonte
You don't even need to have quantum computer because like I said, you just got the courts.
The courts just say give it to them and then... What if you don't give it to them?
No, no, what I'm saying is like Google.
The court will go to Google and say, Google, give it to them.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
If there's backdoor access through these big companies.
phil labonte
I don't think that there needs to be backdoor access.
I think the federal government can just go to the court and say, we need this information.
tim pool
And you're saying the corporations will hand it over?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Verizon, all these big, big companies.
I think there's been reports that they just do.
phil labonte
The only company that I'm aware of that gave the government the middle finger was Apple when they wanted to get into that guy's iPhone because he'd committed a terrorist attack and they wanted to open it.
tim pool
And then I think the Fed said, you know what?
Never mind.
We don't need it.
We got it anyway.
phil labonte
I mean, that might have been how it was resolved.
I don't remember.
I do remember that Apple was like, no, we're not, we're not, because they wanted to build a backdoor or something like that.
And they're like, look, if we, if we show you a backdoor or build a backdoor into this, that it's for all of them then.
tim pool
Yeah, and actually in terms of what Apple's trying to build, the best marketing for the fact that they have it, is that they publicly say no to the FBI.
And then they're like, nah, we're not giving it to you because we built the thing, and that's good for everyone else too, so buy our products.
ian crossland
I'm thinking like, if, I keep thinking decentralized social media, so that the companies don't have access to your messages, they're all encrypted peer-to-peer, but now I'm like, well if those truly are weapons of war, social media machines and things like that, social media algorithms, We can't decentralize, or could we decentralize Boeing?
That wouldn't make a lot of sense.
Because then it becomes a security risk.
phil labonte
How do you build a plane when the parts aren't in the same building?
ian crossland
Yeah, you'd have to get them to ship them to their location, and if one of those factories goes down and can't get the bolts over to the main factory to put the aircraft together, the entire thing shuts down.
So it's almost like a risk not to have it centralized.
phil labonte
That's how stuff goes as it is.
Especially like, actually we talked about this the other night, the military.
If you're building a complex piece of equipment for the military, they try to spread out the actual parts manufacturing into as many congressional districts as possible.
So that way, if you want to get rid of a program, you're getting rid of a bunch of jobs that Congress people are like, ah, you're not taking these jobs from my district.
eli crane
Yeah, I was talking to Congressman Gates about that and he was telling me that some of the smartest folks, that's how they'll do it with some of these fighter jets and whatnot, they'll make sure that a peace is made in every single state.
That way you'll have all the representation fighting to keep that same fighter.
It's smart, you know, but I don't know, man.
It's definitely not in the best interest of the American people, right?
tim pool
It's an addiction.
It's a programmed addiction by these government actors making these deals, whoever it may be, legislators or otherwise, where they're trying to make sure we can never shut down a government program.
That's the biggest problem we have with government is the inability for it to fail.
So when bad things happen, when corrupt things happen, and when failure happens, the machine keeps going, sucking in more and more money, becoming more and more corrupt, and then eventually imploding.
phil labonte
That's exactly the argument that libertarians make about private sector versus public sector.
Anything in the government, there's no way for it to be punished by failing other than people voting People out and to be honest with you, the failure has to be on such a catastrophic level to get people to say this guy needs to go.
It has to be really bad for a lot of people.
Whereas in the private sector, if you're if you're You're not making money two quarters in a row.
The higher ups are looking to replace everybody.
You know, if you're if you if you're if you go from being in the black, you know to in the red, they're like, yo, why look at what's going on with at Disney, you know, there's there people talking about their writing.
Letters to their investors saying, yo, we know that things have been messed up.
Stick with us.
We're going to make changes and stuff.
You know, you've covered those.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story because we've got someone who actually can provide some good answers here and help us understand.
We got this from the New York Times.
House censures Jamal Bowman for false fire alarm.
Lawmakers voted to formally rebuke Mr. Bowman for setting off a false fire alarm in the House office building.
The latest partisan use of a once rare congressional action formally reserved for grave offenses.
Rep Crane, what is censure?
What does that mean?
eli crane
Yeah, it's just basically like a slap on the wrist.
I mean, it's really not anything substantive.
He's gonna have commercials run by his opponents that he was censured, but it really doesn't do much.
tim pool
It doesn't do anything?
eli crane
Not really.
phil labonte
It's the official way for Congress to disapprove of you.
eli crane
Yeah, he had to go down.
It happened today.
I was, you know, there on the House floor and he basically had to go down to the well, which is like right in front of where the Speaker's chair is.
And, you know, they read his censure and he had to stand there publicly and all the Democrats like crowded around him.
tim pool
Didn't they all vote in support of him or something?
eli crane
Yeah, the Democrats voted in support of him, but obviously he pulled the fire alarm.
He should be in jail.
And I remember the day it happened, and I thought it was a joke when people were telling me that he pulled the fire alarm.
And it was kind of ironic and funny that, you know, he was a principal.
He was acting like he thought it was gonna let him out of the door or something.
tim pool
He should be in jail, and I think he should be expelled from Congress.
I think censure is too light.
Let me ask you, why was Santos expelled?
phil labonte
For being too awesome?
tim pool
But seriously though, what was the actual effects he committed in Congress that warranted expulsion?
eli crane
Yeah, I know he had a bunch of indictments.
I didn't vote to expel him, I voted to keep him.
But I know that the New York delegation was really pushing hard for him to go.
This was just my theory, it was just my thought.
I think that a lot of the New York constituents and donors that got burnt by Santos were putting a lot of pressure on those guys to get rid of George.
No, if you ever met George in person, like the guys, he's hilarious.
I'm not gonna sit here and defend George's, like, persona.
I will.
What he did.
unidentified
What did he do?
eli crane
I don't know.
Well, they said he used a bunch of campaign funds to, you know, buy, you know, he broke a lot of campaign finance laws.
Like, he used campaign funds to, like, get Botox and get, like, Just a bunch of consumer goods and services that you're not allowed to do.
Stuff like that.
Using people's credit cards that were donors to buy stuff like that.
He had a bunch of indictments.
Yeah.
But yeah.
tim pool
That's serious.
eli crane
My concern with it is though, if that becomes the standard, right?
You're indicted and then we can kick you out of Congress because of a report the Ethics Committee did.
In my opinion, that opens up a pretty big door, especially when we're watching former President Trump.
They're trying to do the same thing to him.
They're trying to destroy him with lawfare and indictments.
And so, I don't like the precedent.
It's why many of us tried to save George.
And we saved him in the past.
tim pool
Because he's not convicted of anything.
eli crane
No.
tim pool
Could he be?
That's wild.
eli crane
Oh yeah, he can be.
And some of my colleagues, I've talked to some of my colleagues who are lawyers and prosecutors who do believe he will be, but I don't know, man.
tim pool
That's not my area.
I don't know what else that means.
I mean, Trump will be convicted.
I don't see a scenario in which Trump is acquitted by these liberal juries.
eli crane
I don't either.
ian crossland
But I would think you would wait until conviction before you expel Congress.
eli crane
Yeah, which is why I think many of us were trying to save him, you know.
tim pool
But we know Jamal Bowman intentionally pulled the fire alarm.
We know he lied about it.
He's on camera pulling the warning signs off the door, or he flicks one onto the floor and then pulls the alarm and runs away.
He didn't try to open the door.
He lied.
And I'm surprised that you can have a member of Congress commit a crime, on camera, caught doing it, to subvert the political process, and this is it?
A slap on the wrist?
ian crossland
Yeah, if it was like at four in the morning and he was pranking people, that would be different than if he was doing it during a- Still a crime!
Yeah, but he was doing it during a congressional proceeding to try and delay the proceeding?
eli crane
That's insidious.
tim pool
Well, I don't know his intent.
I assume it's to delay the proceeding, but did it delay a proceeding?
eli crane
I don't know that it delayed the proceeding, and I heard that's what his intent was.
I don't know exactly what his intent was, but yeah, that's what he did.
ian crossland
He said it was because he was late and he needed to get out the door or something?
eli crane
Yeah.
ian crossland
And so he took the sign off the door that said emergency exit?
eli crane
Well, it's funny because a couple of my colleagues, Andy Biggs is in that same building, Congressman Biggs, and he went to that exit Along with some other guys saw that there were they had already corned it off And so they just went around to a different inch, you know a different exit So it doesn't make a lot of sense that he did what he did, but I don't honestly I don't know why that surprises you Tim.
I mean, it's you know, I mean, it's Congressman You know, how many I'm an Indus has gold bars.
unidentified
I mean It's like yeah, that's great.
tim pool
The place is ripe with I was hanging out at the local poker room last week and someone asked, some guy said, I'll make a bet, an older guy, just out of the blue goes, I'll make a $20 bet with all of you, that, he goes, right now, the approval rating of Congress is 17%.
But all the 80% of Congress will be re-elected in 2024.
eli crane
Yeah.
tim pool
And I explained to them, I was like, well yeah, it's because we like our rep, we hate all yours.
So Congress is gonna have a low approval rating.
Yeah.
But it is funny, considering nobody likes Congress.
Yeah.
Just approval rating in the gutter, everybody views it as corrupt.
eli crane
I don't like it either.
tim pool
I think I was talking to Matt Gaetz, and he said there's like, what number did he give?
10 or 12 good members of Congress or something like that?
eli crane
Yeah, it's something like that, man.
It's pretty small.
tim pool
Maybe it's more.
eli crane
It's pretty small.
ian crossland
How do you be considered good in Congress?
Because obstructing kind of is your job, but if you obstruct too much, then are you considered a bad guy?
Yeah, Thomas Massey kind of gets that from time to time.
eli crane
Yeah, I definitely fall under that, I would say, that label if you will.
But you're right, it is tough because you don't want to obstruct to the point where you can't get anything done, but at the same time when I mean take pick a topic whether you're talking about the border whether you're talking about the national debt 33 trillion plus in debt two trillion dollar annual deficit and what we do under Republican control in this Congress we made a deal with Joe Biden an additional four trillion dollars to the national debt and so it's like it doesn't really matter what topic you pick I think that we're failing and you know so if you're obstructing
That type of failure, in my opinion.
tim pool
I think we're in idiocracy.
eli crane
Oh, 100%.
The movie, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
eli crane
They're watering the crops with Mountain Dew?
tim pool
With basically Gatorade, basically.
ian crossland
With Glyphosate, to be honest.
tim pool
He's like, is this Gatorade?
Was it Luke Wilson?
It's what plants crave.
phil labonte
It's what plants crave.
tim pool
And he's basically salting the earth.
But I feel like we're actually in that.
And the reason why is I look at Jamal Bowman and I'm like, what a scumbag.
And this is why everything's broken.
This is why everybody hates Congress.
This is why nothing's getting fixed.
This is why we're having all these problems.
Well, I should say it is a component of.
I think we have cultural issues.
eli crane
Yeah.
tim pool
But I look at so many of these members of Congress and it's crazy to me that Jamal Bowman pulled the fire alarm.
Jamie Raskin falsely accused me of advocating for January 6th in the J6 hearings because I reported on a Fox News story that Donald Trump called for protests on January 6th.
So, before January 6th happens, I'm reading a news story from Fox News where I'm like, wow, Trump's calling for a protest.
That's gonna get crazy.
Things would get crazy down there if Trump calls for this.
He runs clips of me out of context, included in a montage of people screaming, kick the door in, and things like this.
That guy's 20 minutes from here, Raskin.
People who work at this company, he represents them.
These people, I just look at them all, they are...
It is the dregs of humanity.
Scum, lying, cheating, stealing, without a care for anybody else.
They don't want to make anyone's life better.
They want to make their own lives better.
They want to watch... You know what they are?
They are the people stealing the fine china from the Titanic, knowing the iceberg hit, but they're going to run to the emergency raft before anybody finds out.
The emergency boats.
eli crane
Yeah, I often use that same analogy.
I mean, there's a lot of problems with Congress, but I think it is important that we always remember that, like Andrew Breitbart said a long time ago, he said that politics is always downstream of culture.
Yep.
So you don't see things get to the halls of Congress until they've been permeating in culture for a decade, you know, five years at a minimum.
tim pool
Speeding up, though.
eli crane
Oh, it is.
It is.
And that's how I feel a lot of time because, you know, you'll sit there and you'll just watch, you know, good amendment or this good bill go down and you're like, what the hell is going on here?
And I think to your point, Tim, there is a certain level of that, like, hey, this thing is going down.
I'm going to get mine on the way off.
Right.
Yep.
I 100% believe that there are folks up there that that's their mentality.
tim pool
I think it's most of them.
ian crossland
I got the vibe that it's, there's too many people for the representatives to represent.
Like how many people are in your, in your?
eli crane
So most, yeah, most reps rep about 750,000 people.
ian crossland
And it's like, I mean, I represent myself I can't really even represent Tim properly if I tried, because I'm not Tim.
So like, the idea that back in the day the least worst thing we could do is send some brilliant guy to go represent the 7,000 of us, and hopefully he's going to know what we all kind of need and want in our community.
But now, it's so unrepresentative of the humans, because there's such a diverse desire and belief within systems, like, I've had this idea, like, what if we just Everyone gets the power of the House of Representatives now.
We all can work from home, we can all can write legislation and pass it onto a system where we can all read it and put amendments and then after 30 days we can all vote on it to pass it into the Senate.
But we'd still vote for you guys that if the power goes out you go to the place to do it for us until the power comes back on then we all get back to work.
tim pool
I think it's a bad idea and I don't think it makes sense.
ian crossland
What do you think about it Eli?
eli crane
You know, I like, honestly, I like that we have a constitutional republic.
What I don't like is, like, you guys hear about the fourth branch of government all the time, the administrative state, the bureaucracy, right?
If you think about it, there's a bunch of unelected bureaucrats that are in D.C.
full-time.
They look at a guy like me who comes in there and tries to, you know, shake things up a little bit, and they're just like, we can just wait this guy out.
You know, he has to get re-elected every two years, and by the time he gets the documents that we're stonewalling him on, right, you know, it's so far into the future that people are like, oh, move on, that's in the past.
And so, you know, I do like the fact that we have a constitutional republic, you know, but our system has problems like everybody else, and I think right now the administrative state is one of our biggest problems.
tim pool
I think one of the biggest mistakes we made was the 17th Amendment.
So I think we should repeal that.
That is the Senators by popular vote.
I think that Senators should have always been chosen by the state legislatures to represent the state to the federal government.
phil labonte
Yeah, the the Kathy Hochul, when Santos was actually on the day he was he was removed or whatever, they voted for it.
Kathy Hochul said that she was going to replace.
tim pool
Right.
phil labonte
What's his name?
And she obviously doesn't have the power to do it.
And it's part of the reason why she assumed that she did is because she doesn't have a fundamental, deep understanding of our governmental structure.
She's the executive of the state of New York.
That's why and what the error that she made is she was was thinking that she should be sending the person selecting to represent the the represent the people for Congress, but she would select the senator because the senator is supposed to represent right state.
Because she misunderstands how the structure of government works, that's why she made that error.
That's why she said, oh, I'll select for the House.
The people obviously have to select who is going to represent them in the Congress.
tim pool
Oh, we just lost Phil.
ian crossland
Serge is doing some deep trench work right now.
tim pool
So I'll just pick it up from there.
The general idea with the 17th Amendment was that there was corruption, that state legislatures were just picking their buddies, and we can't have that, and that's a mistake.
Because now nobody cares and knows who their state senators are and who their state reps are, and that's substantially more important for everything.
Because if this country was unified culturally to a certain degree, where everybody was paying attention to their state reps and legislatures, you could get a convention of states.
You could actually have the states just be like, no, we're changing things.
We're done with Congress, we're done with the Senate, you're not getting anything done.
And then there's other ways to do it too, amending the Constitution through Congress and through the Senate.
But we don't have any of that right now, and I think you need it.
So I look at this idea that you're talking about, Ian, and it's a huge mistake, and it's for exactly what you were saying.
It could take you years to get the documents you need, and you're fighting re-election every two years, and if you can maintain that, you can get these documents.
You, Ian, sitting in your room, waiting for a bill and thinking you want to pass it, bro, we are going to get people Who are going to think the polar bears are dying, and so they're going to vote to build a polar bear sanctuary.
It's like the Simpsons, when they built the bear patrol.
You guys remember bear patrol?
One bear wanders into Springfield one time, and so they're like, okay, everyone's panicking, they all voted for a referendum for the bear patrol, and so then Homer looks at his paycheck a week later and he sees a bear tax.
And they've got, like, planes flying around.
That's the problem with people who... I think that's why we have a constitutional republic with representatives.
We select the person we think is the best for the job, do the job like any other job, and then we trust they do the job well, and if they don't, we fire them.
ian crossland
It could be that the representatives maintain their authority and ability to, like, request documents, but that we, just as citizens, gain an ability to also produce legislation that we can vote on together.
Because, like, I feel kind of helpless a lot of times looking at Congress and being like, No, all I can do is convince people to go convince someone to do something.
phil labonte
Have you ever actually written your congressperson?
ian crossland
No, I would make videos and be like, call them now, call them at two o'clock.
Everyone coordinate, make a phone and just overload them with phone calls.
I'll do that kind of thing with an internet video, but I never actually did it myself.
phil labonte
Because I think, I mean, you're never going to, I don't think anyone's ever going to feel like the direct power of being able to say, or very few people are going to be able to say, hey, I want this to happen.
And then it happens, right?
Like that's not like, even the president doesn't, doesn't have that authority over everything.
tim pool
I don't want a bunch of people voting on how to fix my toilet.
phil labonte
No, not at all.
I don't want people voting on anything.
tim pool
My toilet breaks, and then we're like, okay everybody, we got a broken toilet, so let's put it on the internet, and everybody all around gets to vote on how we fix the toilet.
No, I want to hire a plumber who's the best at the job.
ian crossland
Maybe I'm misrepresenting what I'm thinking.
I just, like, if you could make a bill and be like, this bill gets funds for a better process of toilet repair.
What do you guys all think?
And it's like a Tinder where people are like, I'll swipe right on that one.
I'm swiping left.
tim pool
Yeah, right, right.
That's like suggesting the community vote on how to fix my toilet.
ian crossland
But then, well, we would just vote on a bill that we could send to the Senate.
And then the Senate would be like, that's idiotic.
eli crane
No.
ian crossland
And they shoot us down if it's terrible.
tim pool
So you're basically just saying you want to eliminate Congress.
Sorry eliminate the house.
ian crossland
I kind of want a legitimate fourth branch of government I'm just I don't think the representatives can handle the load.
phil labonte
It's too many people that they're unrepresented the problem that you're Articulating isn't that there are too many.
It's not that they can't handle the load It's that the load that's being put on the strong the government is too great for the structure of government So our government is not supposed to be in the daily working of your life the federal government at least right so like The fact that we have, like, the fact that there was ever a question about who goes into which bathroom that was at a federal level is exemplary of, or exemplifies exactly what our problem is.
We don't need the federal government to make every decision for us.
You don't even need the state governments to do it, honestly.
But that's where, kind of, that's kind of how society's knee-jerk reaction has become, and I think really, like, No, you're right.
eli crane
On that point, I think that's a big part of the problem.
You've got, I think, generations of people who have been raised to think that federal government is the solution, and it's not.
It's usually the problem.
I know our founders wanted limited government because they've seen what it can do, right?
And so, you know, I think that's what some folks in DC right now are trying to do.
You know, it's why we fought so hard to change out our leadership this year, because we just continued to head down the same path that we were on.
You know, like the fight we got back in January.
I know you guys had Matt on your show, and you've had him in the past.
I mean, that fight hadn't happened... What happened in January hadn't happened in over a hundred years.
ian crossland
It was Kevin McCarthy?
eli crane
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, let me pull this story up.
I got some questions for you.
phil labonte
Wait, that was in January?
tim pool
We have this story from ABC News.
Kevin McCarthy resigning from Congress after being ousted to House Speaker.
So the story came out yesterday.
At the end of the month, he will resign.
He says, I've decided to depart the House at the end of this year to serve America in new ways.
This is really funny because there was a tweet.
It was a video of a tweet from him saying, I will not quit.
And it is now community noted on Twitter saying he just quit.
phil labonte
Brutal.
tim pool
So here's the funny thing.
This came out last night.
Nobody cared.
Yeah, nobody cared that a former speaker just announced his resignation, but I think what Matt Gaetz did was fantastic.
I'm curious your thoughts, Rep Crain, on what went down and whether you think this is all good or bad.
eli crane
Yeah, I mean, obviously Matt deserves a lot of credit.
Matt, you know, took the brunt of that for sure, but there were eight of us.
Right.
There were eight Republicans that moved against our own speaker.
And so for sure, I think that it was a good idea because I was one of them.
Right.
And the reason the reason, guys, like I like I said, is because I didn't get in that I didn't get into this.
I don't leave my family three weeks out of the month with my two young daughters because I like Washington, D.C., or I like putting on a suit or I ever wanted to be called a congressman.
Right.
I'm terrified with what my kids are going to be left with and I look at the trajectory we're on and it's not sustainable.
This house of cards is going to collapse and most people up there don't take it seriously.
It's weird, man.
It's dystopian.
tim pool
There's two trains of thought on that.
I think everybody agrees the House of Cards is going to collapse.
And then you've got some Republicans who are like, guys, let's try and fix this.
And then you've got, I'd say, most Republicans and Democrats being like, how much can we loot from the coffers before the cards come crashing down?
eli crane
Yeah, and we call it the Uniparty up there.
Anytime something serious needs to get moved, the Uniparty moves in lockstep, and it is Republicans and Democrats.
Republicans get pissed at me all the time.
I'll get calls from donors, or, Eli, why are you attacking Republicans?
You need to be fighting against Democrats.
That's just one layer to the fight.
It is an important layer to the fight, but it goes a lot deeper than that.
And if we don't acknowledge the own stink, our own problems within our own party, this thing's never going to get fixed.
I'm just glad that there are people up there who I've seen, even in this last Congress, the 118th Congress, who repeatedly are willing to throw caution to the wind, put their political career on the chopping block, and be like, hey, let's go.
Let's do something that's never been done, and let's buck the system.
And so, you know, I don't know where that leads, Tim.
I'm not a super optimistic guy.
My faith isn't in the federal government, for good reason.
But, you know, I do think it's important.
tim pool
I mean, Matt was talking about this billion-dollar I.O.U.
machine that Kevin McCarthy builds up, where he goes, all these donors basically get, hey, we're gonna give money to your PAC, we're gonna help you get re-elected, you're gonna control, basically, the Republican Party in the House, and then when he gets ousted, all those I.O.U.' 's become toilet paper.
So, you know, this machine of favors in D.C.
gets shattered.
I gotta imagine Kevin McCarthy was sweating bullets the whole time, because he's not gonna be able to pay back any of these favors.
He's an indentured servant for the rest of his life.
eli crane
Yeah, I honestly don't know.
Here's the thing.
If you met Kevin and you hung out with him and you didn't know he was the Speaker of the House, you'd probably be like, this guy's pretty cool.
I gotta have a beer with him.
But that being said, when you look at what was going on, and when you look at how he was leading the party, there was no desire to change course at all.
tim pool
I've heard from too many people that he backstabbed their campaigns.
That there were populists, America First, they were Trump supporting.
eli crane
For sure.
And anybody in that, I shouldn't say anybody, but most people in that spot would use their power and influence to back candidates that are going to fall in line and do what you're told.
And you know, it's like, that's one of the biggest knock.
I'm a military guy.
That's one of the biggest knocks on military guys.
I remember when I started going up to DC, Tim, some of the older Republicans looked at me and they're like, you know, Eli, you military guys get up here and you don't really fight too hard.
You know, you kind of just fall in line and do what you're told.
And I said, I know.
But that's, When you look at your chain of command as the people back home, the 750,000 people that sent you there, it's different than seeing the Republican Party or the Democrat Party as your new chain of command, right?
And that's the problem with too many politicians.
They see their party as their chain of command and they just fall in lockstep and they do what they're told.
ian crossland
How's life with Mike Johnson, the new Speaker?
How's it been?
eli crane
I mean, honestly, it's really not that much different in that we're still pretty much on the same trajectory, maybe a couple degrees off.
And I think that most of us that were involved in ousting Kevin with the motion to vacate, Believe that that's how it was going to be just because whoever speaker is really a representative of the party and the party is not conservative.
It's just not, you know, that being said, you know, he has done a couple he has done a couple good things.
And so like when he released some of the January six tapes, I think that was a good, that was a good thing.
I think, you know, he's serious about moving forward with, you know, this Biden, you know, impeachment.
That's a good thing.
But he's shown with, you know, the CR, the continuing resolution that funds the government at the same levels.
And even right now with the NDAA and FISA that, you know, we're probably going to continue to go on, on the same path with some of those things.
ian crossland
Is it because if he just was like, I'm going to make a bill of getting rid of the CR that everyone in the party be like, then no one's going to vote for it, dude.
eli crane
So yeah.
So what they do, you know, what they do is they scare, they scare anybody that gets into leadership, right?
Like the intelligence community right now is telling Mike Johnson, Hey, if you let, if you let FISA lapse or you, you reform it.
And FISA goes down for even a little while, and you have, right now, who's out there saying that we have more terrorist threats than we ever have before?
Christopher Wray, right?
So Mike's making these decisions, the intelligence community is scaring the snot out of him, saying, hey man, if you let FISA elapse, And there's a terrorist attack, the blood's on your hands.
And that's what they do constantly up there.
It's constantly like, if you try and change things, whether it's with spending or a government shutdown or, you know, making adjustments or reforming FISA, they have a way to scare you back into line.
phil labonte
Not only are they going to blame you, but they're going to go ahead and they're going to accuse you of trying to make it so that these things can happen.
tim pool
No, I think it's worse than that.
eli crane
You're probably right.
tim pool
I think it's worse than that.
When Chuck Schumer said that the intelligence agencies have six waves from Sunday from coming after you, Donald Trump, and then they accused Trump of being a Soviet spy.
No, Soviet, literally, from the 80s.
The guy, Jonathan Chait, goes on MSNBC and says Trump may have been an asset of the Russians since the 80s.
They do multiple impeachments, they do criminal charges, everything.
You see them throwing at Trump?
I don't think they go to Mike Johnson and they say, look, we got security issues, don't let us down.
I think they sit down at the desk and they say, how's it going?
How's the family?
I got something for you.
And they pull out a picture of JFK and they slide it across the table and say, how you doing?
phil labonte
Yeah, can you imagine that?
Like, literally, all they have to do is slide a picture of JFK.
If someone from CIA shows up at your house and they slide a picture of JFK across the table, you'd say, how you doing?
Like, everyone's sweating.
Everyone starts sweating.
tim pool
They slide a picture, JFK, that's it.
They don't gotta say anything.
It's the implication.
And I'm not saying the implication is true.
I'm just saying, you know, it says a lot.
ian crossland
So the intelligence, when you say the intelligence, how do you phrase it?
The intelligence network?
Community.
Is that who's running our government?
eli crane
Well, I don't think it's that simplistic.
I think it's a mixed bag, right?
There's a lot of different influences on the government, right?
You also have your lobbyists, your special interest groups, right?
You have outside global influences that are obviously affecting our government as well.
I mean, it's not as simplistic as one, you know, entity, you know, basically running our government.
ian crossland
What is a special interest?
I hear this stupid word, Lockheed Martin.
So it's just a business?
It's a corporation?
eli crane
Oh, absolutely.
What about the pharmaceutical industry?
tim pool
Greenpeace.
ian crossland
So special interest is like a way to spin it?
phil labonte
It's motivating.
ian crossland
It's especially interesting.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Special interest is an umbrella term for a variety of organizations that want a specific goal to be met.
So, Greenpeace is a special interest... Oh, they're colluding.
ian crossland
They're not colluding.
But they want the same goal.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Lockheed Martin is a special interest group.
They lobby on behalf of themselves.
Greenpeace is a special interest group.
They lobby on behalf of themselves.
No one's gonna sit there and be like, the problem we have is, let me pull out 18,000 pages of every single organization ever that's lobbying the government.
So they're just lobbyists.
They say, special interest groups.
Powerful organizations from the private and public sector and non-profits that are lobbying government to make things happen.
Some are more powerful than others.
ian crossland
And then if they say it's a lobbyist, that could be just a guy, but if it's a special interest group, it's a lobbyist.
phil labonte
The lobbyist would be the individual that's actually trying to get the politician to do whatever it is that the special interest group wants.
The group is the special interest, the lobbyist is the individual.
eli crane
And to be fair, I mean, there are good lobbyists, right, that are lobbying for good things.
But, oftentimes, you know, it's, you know, it ventures into corruption and, you know, seeking things that are so front-site focused on just taking care of one industry.
unidentified
Ian, you've got my firearms guy got it over here.
ian crossland
And I will, and I will do it again.
tim pool
So when, when you, when you talk to someone who's in Congress and you're like, you gotta get graphene.
ian crossland
I was about to say that we were talking about House of Cards.
We need a graphene lattice to reinforce the network.
tim pool
So here's Ian lobbying Congress.
eli crane
It's graphene, it's carbon.
ian crossland
It's carbon powder, basically.
You make it from any kind of carbon, and they figured out how to get it with electricity.
phil labonte
He's already on the graph.
ian crossland
You can get, like, plastic trash and hit it with 7,000 degree electricity and turn it into... Too far ahead.
We'll simplify it.
It's like 21st century steel.
It's going to be the next big building material.
tim pool
It's a one-dimensional sheet of carbon, hexagonally latticed, which has amazing properties when manipulated, so... It's a superconductor.
ian crossland
Yes, and a capacitor.
You can use it as, like, a touchscreen battery wallpaper.
They put it in car...
tim pool
Well, I'll give you the real simple version.
So Ian's obsessed with this stuff.
But the reason I brought it up was to make the point that lobbying, a lot of people have this view of lobbying as this, like, prestigious thing.
And it's like, dude, it literally means you argued to a member of Congress.
eli crane
Yeah.
ian crossland
They used to stand in the lobby, literally.
That's why they were following that after.
tim pool
And then when they came out of the proceeding, they'd be like, hey, For the sake of Ian's graphene, one thing they started doing is they put it in batteries.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And so what that does is when you're charging a battery, the graphene carries the charge evenly across the battery so it charges rapidly.
So I think the newer cell phones that come out could charge to full in like 10 minutes.
Wow.
So you can buy these graphene polymer batteries.
You ever get one of those mobile batteries you buy at the Walgreens or whatever, plug your phone in?
Yeah.
They now have graphene lithium batteries that you can charge that battery pack in 15 minutes
and it'll give your phone two hours of charge.
ian crossland
Wow.
You can put it in concrete and it'll make it three times stronger.
You can put it in like, this is just bulk graphene where you just shatter it into powder.
You can also make sheets of it, like Tim was talking about, that can be used as electronics, which is more complicated to produce at the moment.
tim pool
And this is literally lobbying.
ian crossland
But what I really want to sell you on is hydrogen fuel.
Because if we want to reinforce that house of cards, we need a new GDP model.
And I think it's based on hydrogen.
Fortunately, you can turn the oil into graphene, so we don't have to upend the oil industry.
tim pool
Maybe.
I don't know.
I think fusion energy is promising.
We've reached ignition, now we've got to capture that energy.
And nuclear.
ian crossland
But out of rice, they're making hydrogen fuel.
Let's jump to this story so we can get into what happened last night at the GOP debates.
tim pool
Vivek Ramaswamy, I love this one, defends debunked conspiracy theories he shared at Republican debate.
He elevated false or groundless claims about January 6th, U.S.
demographic changes.
Here's the crazy thing.
This is what really, really bothers me.
These guys who work for ABC News.
I assume they're either really, really stupid or intentionally lying.
January 6th, definitively, without question, provably, and adjudicated as such, is an inside job.
Next question.
And I'll clarify now because I know I tried to hammer that one really, really hard.
Several individuals had already been acquitted because the judge outright said police welcomed them in.
There's video of police opening the doors and letting people in.
The response we've gotten is, oh, well, you gotta understand why they did it, okay?
Explain to me why the Q Shaman was given a guided tour, they walk to a door, try to open it, it doesn't open, then they bring him, they bring the guy to the Senate Chambers.
The argument is, they were overwhelmed, they had no choice, they just gave in.
Like, the cop who took a selfie?
There's more than one cop who took selfies with people, opened these doors, there are doors that are mag-sealed, you know this better than I do, that they're mag-locked, you can't just open them.
Someone has to deactivate the electric current to open the door.
Somebody did this.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was actually one of the first, probably not one of the first, but of Democrats, she actually said, and this is like a year and a half ago, there were police officers who are fanning people in, moving barricades, opening doors, and she wants answers.
I completely agree.
Those are facts.
So I'll say it this way.
The media is claiming Ramaswamy's statements were debunked.
Vivek said it now looks like it may have been an inside job.
Here's the game they're playing.
They're conflating inside job with Joe Biden was involved or Nancy Pelosi was involved.
Here's how I'll put it for you.
A thousand people work at a bank.
One day the bank gets robbed.
Two guys who worked there opened the doors for the robbers who then made off.
That's called an inside job.
The degree to which the guys were involved, who knows?
They may have gotten a phone call and they said, hey look, we're gonna slip you a $100 bill.
Just open the door for us.
And they're like, sure, I guess.
I don't even know what's going on.
Still an inside job.
Inside job refers to someone on the inside facilitated what happened.
So while you have people fighting with cops on one side, you have cops opening other doors and letting people in.
He also talked about Great Replacement, and this is what really got people all riled up, is that he basically said it was policy for Democrats.
So, instead of getting ahead of myself, we'll stick to the January 6th first, and then we'll get into the other portion.
The Vague said, why am I the only person on the stage, at least, who can say that January 6th now does look like it was an inside job?
They say, that baseless idea has become popular among fringes on the far right and on social media, at times even winning support from lawmakers, including Senator Mike Lee, who last month claimed without evidence that there were undercover federal agents disguised in the crowd during the rioting at the U.S.
Capitol as Congress had gathered to certify Trump's election defeat.
Well, I'm curious your thoughts on all this.
I don't know if there are federal agents.
I've heard that claimed.
I don't know if you know anything about it.
eli crane
Yeah, I do believe there were federal agents as well.
And I believe we had Christopher Wray and a Homeland Security Committee here in, I think, two weeks ago.
And when asked that question, he basically gave the tagline, you know, I'm not going to comment on any, you know, Any operation any investigate ongoing investigation type type deal.
I actually asked one of the questions.
I asked him was hey, why hasn't the pipe bomber been caught right?
I found that fascinating that and either way kind of the way I posed the question to him was so do you how many how many people did you guys arrested January 6 and it was I don't know hundreds and hundreds of people, right?
The one the one guy that could have you know, basically created multiple mass casualty events with his pipe bombs Meaning killed or injured, you know, you know dozens and dozens of people You know just that the FBI can't find that guy and I just it just it's wild because DC is one of DC is one of the most heavily fortified defended Um, and recorded cities, you know, um, in the entire country.
And so you're telling me that, you know, and maybe this, maybe this is, you know, too conspiratorial for some, but it just strikes me as odd that, that this guy, he couldn't, um, he was so proficient that he's able to avoid the most proficient law enforcement organization in the world, yet he couldn't get his pipe bombs to go off.
Right.
And or people are arguing, oh, well, they got them before, you know, they got the pipe bombs before they were, you know, said to go off.
I just I'm sorry, man.
I don't buy that this guy has been avoiding, you know, the FBI.
I also when I look at guys like Ray Epps, The fact that Ray Epps was in the crowd, he was seen multiple times, he's caught on camera multiple times telling people, we got to go into the building, we got to go into the Capitol, and years into this he's not arrested.
Even though, you know, guys on like Revolver News, you know, the guys at Revolver continually reporting on this stuff, it just stinks to high heaven.
And then you got that right on the back end of the, you know, Michigan deal with Gretchen Whitmer.
I think the FBI has, you know, needs to be reeled in and it's why many of us tried to deny them the ability to get their new FBI headquarters probably about a month and a half ago.
And once again, the Uniparty moved in lockstep to give them their new, I think it was like $300 million building.
ian crossland
In D.C.?
eli crane
No, it's not going to be in D.C.
I can't remember where.
tim pool
It is, it is, it's amazing to me that they are able to track down a garage pull rope Remember that one?
Yeah.
Who was that guy?
eli crane
Bubba Wallace?
tim pool
Bubba?
eli crane
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a garage pull-up.
I can't remember his name.
It was a dozen agents.
So, last year we were swatted.
We had... I don't like using the phrase swatted because people don't understand what that means.
Let's just say, uh, swatting-like events 15 times.
And I'll clarify, a couple of them were fake bomb- uh, bombings.
And so, uh, this ranges from, I think it was a thr- it was a- actually it was like 4 or 5.
Two of them were physical devices.
I shouldn't say devices, were physical objects that were sent here.
And I've only somewhat disclosed this before.
And so they sent a robot out.
They got this, they have this device.
It's like, I don't know if it's an x-ray or whatever, but they try and blast the box to see what's inside of it.
And whoever did this knew the capabilities of law enforcement.
And obstructed the view of the device that seeks to look inside the box externally.
eli crane
Right.
tim pool
They put a panel behind it, like a reflective panel, and they blasted with like x-rays or something.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And they said, we can't get in, so we're bringing the robots in.
We also had to, we were forced to evacuate the building for three hours, and the stream went live to like 50,000 people for three hours with nothing in the room.
They never, they never caught these guys.
We've had police sent here on numerous fake calls, some were actual humans, human voice, some were robotic, and they never catch these guys.
But, pull rope.
And even after we submitted a bunch of evidence, and told them like, guys, this information, we've got evidence, they just said we don't care.
At all.
eli crane
Well, if you were a concerned parent at a school board meeting, Tim, I bet your issue would be resolved, man.
tim pool
You mean if you were a liberal parent concerned about conservatives complaining?
Yeah.
Your issue would be resolved.
eli crane
Yep.
ian crossland
This pipe bomb thing at the Capitol has always kind of fascinated me in that it hasn't been talked about that much, like I heard about it.
Was there actual, did they produce the pipe bombs?
Was there evidence that, did they show them and be like, these are what we found?
And then like show evidence that it was, they were legitimately found?
Was there any evidence of them like recording, finding them or any of that?
eli crane
Yeah, there's video footage of them, I think, retrieving the pipe bombs.
ian crossland
It heightens the danger of the day, knowing that there were bombs placed.
Of course.
It wouldn't surprise me if people came out later, like, yeah, you know, we did that to intensify the fear so that we could shut it down quicker.
I think a lot of this is like, let's just get it put... I mean, if you told me they had no FBI agents in the crowd that day, I'd be kind of disappointed with the FBI.
You're going to do a riot on the Capitol and you don't have FBI agents out there looking at stuff?
Get your agents on the field.
tim pool
Let's address that.
Let's just say they were caught off guard and there's 250,000 Trump supporters marching around.
The feds had no one?
No, no, that's an absurdity.
I'm sorry.
They knew well in advance.
Yo, I'm some dude who just complains on the internet, and I read a Fox News story that Trump was calling for protests.
I was like, wow, that's gonna be crazy!
Media Matters ran a hit piece on me claiming that I had foreknowledge, because I said something in November where I was like, yo, these Proud Boys and Three Percenters or whatever are gonna rush to D.C.
and storm the White House or something.
They're not going to accept a Trump defeat.
Literally didn't happen.
Didn't happen in November.
It was January way later.
I had no idea.
It was speculation based on news reports.
If I can speculate that, you mean the FBI didn't actually have any plan for security or undercover agents to be there?
Yes.
ian crossland
I'm thinking about Ray Epps, because that was the one thing when I first was like, like a lightning bolt.
Like, what the hell?
When he was screaming for people to go in the building, and then he didn't get arrested.
I was like, what in the hell?
Like, at least arrest him and do like a dog and pony show to make it look like he was one of the bad guys.
tim pool
Can I just point this out?
Isn't it crazy?
This is a story from the New York Post.
Isn't it crazy that it was March of 2023, two years, more than two years later, we got the footage showing capital cops Escorting the QAnon shaman to the Senate floor.
How was that not disclosed immediately?
Especially considering they're locking this guy up.
Or at the time they were about to lock him up.
You see this video where they're actually walking him to the doors and opening the doors for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm sorry that's an inside job.
ian crossland
Yeah, and it's like, maybe they didn't want a prolonged siege of the building, they didn't want all the windows to get broken out, so they're like, just get it over with, get in here.
But that they're arresting him for trespassing is like, dude, come on.
tim pool
There's a video where a cop walks in and he's like, can you guys please leave?
And I think it's the shaman, he's like, we'll take care of it, we'll be nice.
Yo, they let him in in the first place!
If he was being that nice, they didn't even need to open the door for him.
They could've been like, buddy, nah, you gotta go.
And he would've been like, okay.
The dude's bumbling around and they're guiding him to these places.
ian crossland
I just did a show with Michael Malice and Jacob Chansley, the guy we're talking about.
So he's out of jail.
I don't know what happened.
Did he serve the full sentence?
I was trying to look up.
I asked him if it was what solitary was like.
It was horror on earth.
tim pool
Let's do this.
Let's talk about the other component of what Vivek Ramaswamy said that's triggering all of these people in media.
And that is, what did he say, false US demographic changes.
So they go on to bring up the Great Replacement Theory, and I love how they do this.
ABC News says, Ramaswamy also boosted the Great Replacement Theory, the white nationalist belief that immigration policies are designed specifically to dilute the political power of white Americans by making them a smaller share of the population.
The idea has been elevated by media figures like Tucker Carlson, and inspired mass violence in 2015 Charleston, South Carolina church massacre, and in the 2019 shooting at Walmart.
Ramaswamy alleged during the debate that the theory is not some grand right-wing conspiracy theory, but a basic statement of the Democratic Party platform.
How about I just play this video of Van Jones for you, and we'll start breaking this down.
van jones
...asking the white majority to do something is difficult.
And I think it'd be easier if we just acknowledged that it's difficult.
No ethnic majority group in 10,000 years of human history that I could find ever went from being a majority to being a minority and liked it.
And that's basically the request from the racial justice left, is that we want the white majority to go from being a majority to being a minority and like it.
That's a tough request.
And the reality is that change is hard.
Change that you want is hard.
Chains it as good as hard.
tim pool
So the racial justice left, according to him, is asking the white majority to go from being a majority to a minority.
There's only two ways that happens.
One, mass migration, and white people not having kids.
If they're asking white people to do this, they're outright saying,
we want a policy of mass migration, and we don't want you to have kids.
ian crossland
This is the third way, it's genocide.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
I suppose, you know, in my context, I'm talking about what's currently going on right now in this country.
ian crossland
It's clearly not a peaceful way to do it.
tim pool
But we have this great article from Newsweek, Democrats are massive hypocrites on so-called Great Replacement Theory.
And this is by Pedro Gonzalez from 2022 in Newsweek, where he breaks down statements from Joe Biden and many other Democrats where they're outright basically saying this.
They're outright saying it.
He says the mass shooting in Buffalo, New York was an atrocity the killer will pay for his life.
The suspect left behind a 180-page document outlining a schizophrenic worldview.
We get that.
Biden and the company latched onto it, but here's the problem.
Democrats and progressive activists, based on their own rhetoric over the years, subscribed to replacement theory more than anyone else.
As Vice President Biden himself said, that a constant and unrelenting stream of immigration would reduce Americans of white European stock to an absolute minority, and that was a source of our strength.
I'm not going to go through the whole article because Pedro actually brings up a ton of other excellent examples, but I think right there, When you have Joe Biden, who is now the president, saying, a source of our strength is an unrelenting stream of immigration reducing white Americans to a minority.
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say like, Vivek's not wrong.
ian crossland
Well, he took three quotes out of context and stuffed them all together into one sentence.
So I would like to see, I'm not saying Joe Biden's not a racist, but I would like to see the full context of those statements.
And also, now, when we talk about Great Replacement, I think it should be repurposed to be like, you know, we're not, it's not designed to specifically dilute the power of the white Americans, it's designed to dilute the power of citizens, of the American citizens.
That's what's happening.
That's the problem.
eli crane
Yeah, I think it is bigger.
I think it is bigger in many ways, but I also think this, I mean, this has all the hallmarks of cultural Marxism, right?
phil labonte
There you go.
eli crane
Cultural Marxism is designed to topple the cultural hegemony or whoever is Perceived to be at the top, you know, it's interesting.
I started studying this a couple years ago.
There's a, you know, a pastor named dr. Vodie bockham.
He's a big black dude that looks like he could play.
He was a he was a football player on the rise and then he became a pastor.
And he does this phenomenal series and sermon on cultural Marxism and how he went on CNN one time, they invited him on after Obama took the White House, and he said that the anchor was basically asking Dr. Bauckham, hey, do you think that race relations in the U.S.
are going to get better now that we have a black president?
And Votie Bauckham said, no, they're going to get worse.
And it surprised the anchor.
And Vodibachan went on to say, it's going to get worse because Obama sat under a cultural Marxist pastor named Jeremiah Wright for a very long time.
And if he goes back and he, you know, kind of gives a history lesson about cultural Marxism and how they tried, you know, Marxism to destroy the West, traditional Marxism, where you pit people against each other economically, right?
You have the haves and the have-nots.
Well, that didn't work here in the West because everybody was too prosperous.
So what they do, they just reverse, they just made a slight change to the ingredients.
Instead of dividing us all up on, you know, economic classes, we're just going to divide them all up by race.
And it's working tremendously.
I mean, if you go and you look at how divided we are on race, you know, and it's just, to me, it's just disgusting.
Like, but, you know, when I when I listen to Van Jones right there, you know, and what he's saying about, you know, I want white, you know, what I want for white people, and to go from being, you know, on top of things, or what do you say, Tim?
From being the majority to being the minority and to like it, that has to me all the hallmarks of cultural Marxism.
tim pool
The statement itself is not just an explanation of what they're doing, but an attempt at incitement to trigger reactions which they can then use to gain more power and take advantage of this.
You have Van Jones outright saying the racial... I don't know if he's saying I, but he does say the racial justice left is asking white people to become a minority, which Ian does bring up there as a third way.
But in American politics, there's mass migration and birth control, advocacy against having kids and things like this.
That's actively happening.
And so, Van Jones saying that, then gets people on the right, people like Vivek Ramaswamy, to be like, hey, this is something Democrats have espoused, and then the media immediately comes out and says they're conspiracy theorists and they're racists.
They're white nationalists and they're Nazis.
eli crane
Yeah.
To Ian's point though, I think it's even bigger than, you know, the replacement stuff, and I do think that's a part of it, but...
You know, he said they're trying.
It's almost like they're trying to destroy it, right?
I think they try and destroy this country every way they possibly can because I don't think they like the country.
I don't think that I think that they want it changed.
unidentified
Yes.
eli crane
I think that they they want a top-down totalitarian control.
They want it to You know, be some utopia that has, you know, a little bit of socialism, a little bit of communism in it.
And as long as we, as long as Americans feel free, prosperous, we have a constitution, we have the ability to defend ourselves, we have freedom of speech, all of that stands in their way.
And so I think that it's death by a thousand cuts.
And I think that that's why it just feels like we're living in bizarro land.
ian crossland
Patrick, Bet David talks a lot about Choosing your enemies wisely, which I think is fascinating, because I'm like, I don't have any enemies, I don't want to have any enemies, but I'm like, who's my enemy?
Thinking about today.
CCP?
I'm not sure.
I don't want my enemies to be you, or like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who represents the Democratic Party in a way that, you know, I find admirable in some ways, at least it's youthful.
But like, I don't want my enemies to be in our country.
And then I'm like, am I just being xenophobic?
But do you think the CCP is involved in this Marxist Obliteration of American culturalism wasn't do you think that the CCP the Communist Chinese Party the?
That's as far as I'll go.
Do you think that they're like the masterminds of this?
phil labonte
Oh, no, it's it doesn't take a person So like the it's an ideology.
So like, you know, like if you go to a Catholic Mass Right, like if you go to a Catholic Mass in the US and then one in you know in somewhere in South America They're gonna be similar because Catholicism has stuff that you are supposed to do to be Catholic The leftist ideology that he outlines, and he's 100% right in my opinion, the leftist ideology that he outlines, there is a whole structure that people follow.
So it doesn't matter, you don't need a person that's top-downing it.
Right?
They believe in an ideology, and so if you believe in the ideology, you follow the tenets of the ideology, and you don't need one particular person to dictate to you, because you do the things that Marxists do.
You look at the world through a Marxist lens.
ian crossland
That just intensifies the value of the culture war.
If it's an innate emergent phenomenon that's spreading like wildfire on the internet, there needs to be a better wildfire.
phil labonte
It's not so much emergent.
It is people that believe it that are telling other people.
Right now, the conduit has been basically the In the academy, basically.
Schools have been... Yeah, academia.
eli crane
Like, have you guys, I'm sure, watched the Yuri Bezmenov videos?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where he talks about ideological subversion, right?
He's like... I mean, if you watch these videos, I mean... Tim, when do you think those were made?
Like, the 90s, 80s?
tim pool
No, no, it was the 80s.
eli crane
Yeah, the 80s?
This guy was in the US at this time.
KGB defector, you know, saying that, you know, you silly Americans, you think that, you know, the KGB, we spent most of our resources on espionage, James Bond espionage because it's sexy and it's in the movies.
He's like, no, only about maybe 15% of our budget went to that stuff.
tim pool
Right that most of it went to ideological subversion, you know putting people in your institutions your culture Academia and teaching this crap these ideologies and and and I think that's what that's what you're seeing right now But I I think the I had this debate 800,000 times actually But I think the the actual issue was big tech and social media and it's not So much the universities I think I think the universities are a component obviously because you see all these videos where someone sends their kids to college and their kid comes back Angry, shaved head, you know, weird tattoos and things like that, face tattoos or whatever.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
But what we're seeing with the rise of cultural Marxism and things like this started around the world all around the same time, which is more indicative of social media creating the phenomenon than anything else.
And there's actually Simple explanation.
So the early social media algorithms favor anything that makes people angry.
And so you had libertarians, and I think even like Paul Joseph Watson and like Alex Jones, were posting police brutality videos because it got people riled up, they'd watch the video and then complain about it.
And so if you're a right libertarian, you're complaining about the same stuff that eventually Black Lives Matter started complaining about.
But what happens?
Police brutality on its own only gets 100,000 views.
Racist police brutality gets a million views.
So the algorithm started favoring content that pushed things like racism is bad, homophobia is bad, anything that would seem like an injustice.
And then you had, the example I always cite is Mike.com, which started off as like a Ron Paul libertarian website, turned into a leftist social justice website because of social media algorithms.
You write an article that's in favor of right libertarian anti-government, it does okay.
You write a social justice piece, it's got racist, sexist, anti-gay in the title, bang!
It's getting a million views, so the company starts putting all their resources into hiring writers to write all that stuff, and then instantly, around the world, you see this in the LexisNexis data, every country experiences, except for like Iran and North Korea, they have weird fluctuations, but almost every single country with access to the basic internet we do, sees the same rise in racism, privilege, intersectionality, feminism, etc.
All rapidly happening at the exact same time.
ian crossland
Yeah.
When I started making internet videos when I was six, I would make a video called, like, We Are All The Same.
And, like, if you believe you are, then you are.
Like, that kind of mindset.
It was that weird post-modernist thing.
And they do really well.
The videos would do really well.
And the people that were watching them, I don't know all of them, but I think a lot of them were suffering in their lives.
So it sounded good to, like, yes, we are all the same.
But we're not.
We're all similar.
But we're not all the same, but that just resonates so powerfully when you say something like that with confidence.
Especially if you're someone that people like, that they aspire to be like.
And so I see why communism constantly cycles back around.
It's like, we can all do this together until we get there and then somebody's got to be in charge.
Yeah.
Right back to the center.
So I saw those videos online.
Should I take them down or should I leave them up?
I won't take them down, but I think leave them up so people can watch my train of thought change over the decades.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And I think, I don't know where I learned it, if I learned it in high school, like obsessive empathy, too much compassion, what it was.
I don't know where it came from, man, but it was just, it was through me growing up.
tim pool
We've got breaking news.
This actually broke about an hour ago, but we'll get into it right now.
From ABC, Special Prosecutor files nine tax-related felony charges against Hunter Biden.
Special Counsel David Weiss has filed additional charges.
Let me refresh to get the latest information.
In the indictment, prosecutors allege Hunter Biden engaged in a four-year scheme to not pay at least $1.4 million in self-assessed federal taxes he owed for the years 2016-19, from in or about January 2017 to October 15, 2020, and to evade the assessment of taxes for tax year 2018 when he filed false returns in or about February 2020.
Is this how they bring down Joe Biden?
phil labonte
How about Joe Biden?
That's how they got taxes, that's how they got Al Capone.
tim pool
Right, but I'm not saying this right here is how they get Joe Biden, I'm saying this is in relation to.
One by one you get these death by thousand cuts of Hunter Biden, and then eventually someone goes, hey wait a minute, one of these threads goes to Joe, and then Joe, embattled, says, look, I'm gonna step down.
ian crossland
You know, these allegations are false, but... You saw the MSNBC clip where they're interviewing Joe Biden and they're asking him questions like, so what do you have to say about these conversations you've had with Hunter's associates when you were lying?
And he's like, it's not true!
phil labonte
You're lying!
ian crossland
You're all lies!
phil labonte
You're all lying!
ian crossland
You're all liars!
eli crane
Dog-faced pony soldiers, all of you.
ian crossland
To answer your question, Tim, yes, I think this is the track.
They're going after the Bidens now, and then maybe they'll use the same kind of tax crap to go after Trump.
I don't know if they... Are they hitting them on tax charges?
tim pool
Let me... Let's pull up this clip, because it's kind of crazy to see.
Here's a clip of Joe Biden being questioned on MSNBC.
steven nelson
Biden on Ukraine and also China.
There is polling by the Associated Press that shows that almost 70% of Americans, including 40% of Democrats, believe that you acted either illegally or unethically in regards to your family's business interests.
Can you explain to Americans amid this impeachment inquiry why you interacted with so many of your son and brother's foreign business associates?
unidentified
I'm not going to comment that I did not, and it's just a bunch of lies.
phil labonte
It's a comment, isn't it?
unidentified
I did not.
ian crossland
There's lies.
I did not!
tim pool
I keep hearing Tommy Wiseau.
unidentified
70%.
tim pool
40% of Democrats think he acted illegally.
That's MSNBC saying this!
eli crane
That's crazy, man.
tim pool
I don't see how Biden ends up the nominee.
eli crane
You know, I don't either, but at the same time, because I know that You know, they're all about that.
What's their goal?
Their goal is power, right?
So I've always thought that he's the perfect front man for what they're doing because as they destroy the country systematically, they got the perfect fall guy out there.
The guy can't put together a sentence.
He falls constantly.
They've got a ton of clearly a ton of dirt on him So he's got to do what they say and he wanted to be he's wanted to be president forever So it's like why and when he's when he when when as the country collapses on his watch They can they can blame him, you know, so I think he's the perfect fall guy But I wouldn't be surprised to see the old bait-and-switch and see a guy like Newsom get thrown in there either so we'll see what happens man, but I wonder what the prediction markets have Newsom at right now.
tim pool
I'm going to check, actually.
eli crane
I don't even know which one's worse.
I don't even know what would be worse for the country, honestly.
ian crossland
I think it's Mr. Surrender Afghanistan is probably worse.
This guy surrendered the most powerful military on earth to the Taliban and $80 billion worth of equipment he surrendered.
How many people died over there in that surrender?
phil labonte
19 people died in the bomb that went off.
ian crossland
And women throwing their babies, trying to throw their babies over barbed wire to get them inside a military base.
The babies are getting caught in the wire.
Like, that's because of him.
He called, he made that call to get rid of Bagram Air Force Base, Air Superiority, and just left everybody in the lurch with a rushed surrender.
The most terrible military executive I've ever seen in power in the United States.
tim pool
I agree, but I don't, you know, a lot of people think Biden's in charge or someone's pulling the leash, and I'm kind of like, no, I think they're letting him flounder.
They're sitting back watching and just letting it roll out because, like you said, when it all comes crashing down, they want to burn it down.
They want to replace it with something else.
They just blame Biden and then he's gone.
He's their Patsy.
eli crane
Perfect fall guy.
Well, you're right.
That is, I mean, it is scary.
It's, it's one of, Afghanistan was definitely one of the, you know, big, massive failures.
I was in the SEAL teams for a little bit.
And, and one of the things that scared me or concerned me when I was looking at the list of gear left behind was all the night vision goggles.
Because, you know, as, as when you're operating overseas, a lot of times we would almost exclusively operate at night, because we own the night.
Right.
But now that these guys have all that night vision equipment, that's going to make it really difficult for any of our troops or any of our allies that are fighting at night.
And you know, that definitely takes our superiority and our advantage down.
phil labonte
I don't know how, like how many they actually left, but you know that they're not staying in Afghanistan either.
It's getting into Uh, combat zones all over the world.
And, like, I mean, anybody that's got, you know, played around with night vision, it is a completely different thing to be able to see at night when, when the people that you're going after can't see it.
tim pool
No, look, I think most city people, I, I, I, I, there's a lot of people listening right now who are gonna be like, nah, Tim's not, most city people don't know what night time is like.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So in that famous story about LA, power goes out, the police get a bunch of phone calls about something strange in the sky.
It was the first time they'd seen the Milky Way.
eli crane
Yeah.
tim pool
So when the lights are all out and it's dark.
So when we have a new moon out here where we're at, we have lights set up on the side of the driveway.
We have motion lights, not just for us to be able to see, but for security reasons too.
You walk down the driveway during a new moon, it is pitch black.
And I'm like, you're blind.
100% You put on the night vision goggles we got, and it is daylight.
We also have daylight flashlights, which are cool too, though.
eli crane
No, it's true, man.
It's one of the most surreal experiences that I've ever had walking through one of the, you know, very big cities, some of the most violent cities in the world, but nobody's on the streets but you and, you know, a couple of your buddies patrolling.
And that's why.
It's because we have that technology and they don't.
And now you see it left behind like that and it's just like... The first time you put them on and you could see satellites?
tim pool
It's crazy.
eli crane
Yeah, it's like the movie Step Brothers, right?
phil labonte
Were you in when they had panos?
Yeah.
ian crossland
What's a pano?
eli crane
Are you talking about the binos?
No, no.
phil labonte
No, the four, yeah.
eli crane
No, I never had those.
I always had the binos.
ian crossland
What are the pinos?
phil labonte
Binos are just two.
ian crossland
Two or four.
phil labonte
What was the other one you called them?
There's two tubes, panos, there's four tubes.
tim pool
So you can actually see a wider range, yeah.
So when I first, first time I ever used them was actually like two years ago or whatever.
I bought a pair and you look at the sky and it's like there's a satellite.
It's insane!
ian crossland
Shooting stars like they're up there happening right now and you just... Oh yeah!
tim pool
Oh yeah!
You're seeing them shooting across when you're wearing those things.
It's nuts.
And then you're, like, walking around like, I can see everything.
How much do those cost?
How do we get those?
unidentified
Those are $42,000.
phil labonte
Oh, wow!
How many of those were left?
ian crossland
I don't know about that.
Were surrendered, you know, offhand, roughly how many?
eli crane
He could Google it right now.
I know it wasn't 15 of them.
It was thousands and thousands.
phil labonte
They probably actually left binos, they probably didn't leave panos.
Panos are the really high expensive ones.
He was on SEAL, that's why I asked, because the SEAL teams in Delta are the guys that get panos, everyone else gets binos.
ian crossland
Plans, guns, and night vision?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't see how Afghanistan was an accident.
You don't accidentally abandon your Air Force base in the middle of the night without telling your partners.
eli crane
Yeah, that one's tough to explain.
ian crossland
So what do you do in the military, you served with the SEALs, if your commander orders a surrender abruptly that causes mass death and loss of equipment and life, what happens to that commander?
eli crane
I guess it depends on who the leadership at the top is, right?
The military, you know, I think for a long time has been I think for a long time had been spared from a lot of the insanity of this culture.
But even over the last couple years you've seen, you know, it, you know, infect the military as well.
Like I just we had a we had an Air Force Admiral in Homeland Security.
I think this last week and He was talking about some of their issues, and one of their big issues was recruitment.
And I asked him, do you think it has anything to do with the, you know, DEI training?
Do you think it has anything to do with, you know, drag shows on base?
You know, that type of stuff that never really was in the military.
And he's like, no.
And he chalked it up to COVID.
And I asked him, well, do you think it has anything to do with forcing our service members to take an experimental vaccine?
And, you know, basically he was like, well, you know, I don't know about that.
And I was like, because now the armed forces are actually offering these guys that didn't take the vaccine to come back in.
phil labonte
Yeah.
eli crane
Right.
And they said, oh, and we'll clear your record.
Right.
After they forced them out, many of them had families, had to find a new job, you know, whatever.
And they didn't get on.
I don't believe they got honorable discharges.
Right.
tim pool
I think it was administrative, wasn't it?
eli crane
I don't remember.
You might be right, Tim.
But I asked him, do you think that had anything to do with it?
And he basically said, I'm not able to comment on that.
Who was that?
So Matt, it was some Air Force, or I'm sorry, not Air Force, it was the Coast Guard.
tim pool
General discharge under honorable conditions.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
So that's what I guess is being reported.
ian crossland
Just so that Admiral knows, if you own up to the truth, they'll be more likely to re-enlist.
Yeah, it was because they were forced to take a vaccine that they didn't trust and they quit because of it, or they were discharged because of it, and now they're being asked to come back, like what?
Have some humility, guy, Admiral.
eli crane
Well, that's the problem.
The military is one of the most dangerous jobs you can have, and if you don't have any faith that leadership's not going to sell you out, if you believe that your leadership will stab you in the back so they can continue to get promoted, how many people do you think are going to join?
And that's, that's the thing.
It's like a lot, a lot of these young kids, I mean, and I think there's multiple issues there, but a lot of these young kids don't trust this, the leadership that they just saw, you know, be in charge of the debacle in Afghanistan and that, you know, force a bunch of our troops to get an experimental vaccine.
And now that they can't recruit kids to come back in, you know, they're offering, hey, to bring them back.
I mean, it's just, it's a complete leadership disaster.
ian crossland
What do you think would be a good incentive to get people back?
eli crane
Well, I think I think an apology to start with would be really nice and these these guys taking ownership and be like, hey, we screwed up.
Okay, we screwed up.
Secondly, like my little brother, you know, when he was a Cobra pilot in the Marine Corps, he I think he was on his last year in the Marine Corps and was basically told you're getting the back you're getting the vaccine or you're out.
And so my little brother went to the Naval Academy, like flew helicopters, you know, high-performing guy.
phil labonte
Actual officer, not warrant officer.
eli crane
Yeah, and he was an O, and he lost his retirement because he wouldn't put that in his body.
And so you got to take care of those guys, and then you got to take care of the folks that are injured now because of the vaccine as well, and just make them feel like, hey, we got your back.
Because if you don't got my back when it comes to, you know, this stuff right here, I don't I don't think you're gonna have my back when we're going to war against the CCP or we're going to war against Iran and you know I'm I'm out there by myself and I need some air support.
phil labonte
And to the to the point that you were making earlier about the cultural Marxism and stuff that the goal of that kind of stuff is to shake people's faith and and in the in the our system in the United States and so if you've got you know Graduating class, after graduating class, after graduating class, being churned out of high schools and colleges that have been taught that America's not really all that good, America's not worth fighting for, America's a bad force, a force for evil in the world, America's the villain on the global scale normally, and generally that's the role that the U.S.
has had since the end of World War II.
If that's what you've been taught, why would you join the military to serve the government?
There's no reason to.
tim pool
I want to do like a mini segment real quick.
Have you guys heard about what's going on with Venezuela and Guyana?
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
No, what's happening?
tim pool
Venezuela's declaring ownership of the western portion of the nation of Guyana and amassing its military and now Guyana's requesting US aid to prevent the invasion.
phil labonte
It's over half of the country that they're making a claim to.
It's not just a small part.
tim pool
Socialists want stuff for free.
phil labonte
And so part of the reason why they're doing this is because ExxonMobil was just doing explorations off the Ghana coast, and so they want to go after Ghana's oil.
Ghana's on the other continent.
No, my bad.
Ghana and Ghana.
So it's after the capitalists have done the exploring to find the oil reserves that you would only be able to find with tools provided or invented for capitalist exploration, and now the socialists are like, yo, that's mine.
Give me that.
tim pool
I just want to say, like, you've got Middle Eastern conflict, you've got Eastern European conflict, you now have an escalating... You're tying it together.
Was it?
eli crane
You're tying it together, yeah.
tim pool
Oh yeah, now you've got South American conflict, and Southeast Asia is right on the horizon, too.
phil labonte
And also, this would be a world war.
Also, with the stuff going on in South America, there is the Monroe Doctrine that we have to worry about.
If there's anyone that decides that they're going to support Venezuela, that would be from Asia or from, you know, whether it be Russia or China or whatever if they or around if they decide they want to support Venezuela Then the u.s.
Has the Monroe Doctrine which is saying that no one from from any other part from the from the Eastern Hemisphere Has any business being in the Western Hemisphere?
This is the total the domain totally the domain of the United States and we will not accept countries from Europe or from Asia or from The Middle East or from Africa meddling in North or South America.
We just totally reject it out of hand.
And so now the U.S.
is in a situation where if anyone does decide to go ahead and support Venezuela, then the U.S.
is going to talk about the Monroe Doctrine and say, you can't be here.
tim pool
I don't think it even matters if Russia, Iran, or China gets involved with Venezuela.
The fact is, if we have war in South America, war in Southeast Asia, war in Eastern Europe, war in the Middle East, you've got world war.
ian crossland
That's kind of how World War II, like, Mussolini started that, with his North African conquest.
He gave Hitler the green light, basically.
He was like, hey, look, you can conquer your neighbors and no one's stopping me.
And then Hitler was like, ooh, wow, I like that guy.
tim pool
And Japan, it's not like these are neighboring countries.
ian crossland
Japan's war was totally different.
You do it, which justifies that guy doing it, which justifies that guy doing it, and then you've got like a smash-and-grab situation where everyone's like, well, before this is over, I'm gonna see if I can get a piece.
tim pool
Maybe not justify, but basically creates the opportunity.
ian crossland
Yeah, justifying their own minds, I should say.
I mean, is there really ever a justification for offensive war?
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, but the scarier thing, I suppose, as Phil's bringing up the Monroe Doctrine, is Guyana's asking the U.S.
to prevent the invasion.
ian crossland
So what do you guys think?
tim pool
Are we going to get involved in war in Venezuela?
ian crossland
I don't think so, but I'd rather have our aircraft carriers there than in the Red Sea or something.
tim pool
I agree, because we're talking about having our forces in the Gulf.
eli crane
All I can say is I'm missing some mean tweets right about now.
ian crossland
Are you involved with this kind of the military stuff in the congress?
eli crane
I mean, you know, it's like, uh, involved in, in, uh, the function of funding.
That's the power of the purse is probably the biggest tool that Congress has.
And so funding the military and then also funding, you know, I would say our projects overseas and foreign affairs that that's A lot of Congresses, and obviously Congress can declare war as well, but that doesn't happen too often in modern times.
ian crossland
Hasn't happened since World War II.
eli crane
Yeah, usually in modern times, you know, you've got your executive branch that's doing that.
ian crossland
So the executive takes control of the military or, you know, probably unrighteously.
phil labonte
No, the executive always has control of the military.
ian crossland
So once it's unleashed, it's the executive's authority until they want to stop.
Does Congress declare when the war is over or is that up to the executive branch?
eli crane
It can be either or.
ian crossland
So if someone's gonna decide to move those aircraft carriers away from Israel off the coast of Venezuela, would that be the president?
eli crane
Right now that's the president, yeah.
That's the president making those calls.
phil labonte
Joe Biden!
ian crossland
He's like, what's it called again?
They're talking about Hunter.
phil labonte
They're lies.
tim pool
It's all lies.
No, so we're talking about Venezuela going to war.
You're lying.
You're all lying.
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Kalashnikov says, why don't you cover the NZ whistleblower?
Don't know enough about it.
Have you guys heard about this?
unidentified
Negative.
tim pool
He released COVID data.
I think vaccination data out of New Zealand.
He's facing jail time.
Don't know enough about it.
We'll have to read more.
phil labonte
He's facing jail time for releasing information about COVID?
tim pool
I think it was vaccine data that was released to the public.
Something like that.
phil labonte
He's a good guy and they're gonna throw him in jail.
That's good to know.
tim pool
Rudy Cassone says, Nikki Haley, I'm guessing she doesn't open her mouth, must be hiding her lizard tongue.
Okay, I'm sorry guys.
It's disqualifying.
It's disqualifying.
It just is.
Nikki Haley, when she talks, she doesn't open her mouth.
She does this weird, for real, she does this weird thing where she bares her teeth and only moves her lips.
And I'm actually really impressed because it's not easy to do.
phil labonte
You talked about this on two segments today, right?
tim pool
Because I have to watch the videos of her!
I'm watching the debates and Nikki Haley is talking like this.
Her lips are moving but her teeth don't move at all.
And I'm like, what is she doing?
ian crossland
Maybe... Oh, I don't wanna... I don't wanna... Why is she doing that?
Her top teeth are big, so it doesn't look like they're moving, but... No, dude, they're not moving.
tim pool
Sometimes they move.
For sure, it's not absolute.
unidentified
But she's gritting... She's talking through her teeth, like when you're yelling at your dog, what are you doing?
phil labonte
She was mad at Vivek.
ian crossland
My guess is it's a facelift as part of it, so the face is like this while the mouth goes, yeah, maybe.
And the neck tension for sure.
tim pool
Watch on the debates, her lips move a lot and her teeth stay there.
I'm like, that's crazy.
Maybe she's the lizard person, huh?
eli crane
I don't know that.
You can't unsee it.
I'm learning a lot tonight, man.
tim pool
I'm not a fan, not a fan.
It is funny, have you noticed all the media reporting that Nikki Haley won the debate?
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
It's so weird.
She won the debate?
She couldn't name three provinces in Ukraine!
That was brutal from Vivek.
All right, Ben D says, Tim, need to correct you on things.
In 2021, as part of the American Rescue Plan, student debt forgiveness was legislated not to be taxable income through 2025.
Democrats are smart, evil, and plan well.
Well, there you go.
Yeah, Joe Biden is canceling another $5 billion, they just announced.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Yeah.
It's called bribing, bribing the American public.
eli crane
Buying them voters.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Ian Slater says, 17th lol.
I mean, I think you were like 5th, but you know, right on.
Deadpool says, the music was amazing last Friday.
Would be awesome to get Serge Tankian to sing Empty Walls on IRL.
Isn't that the guy from System of a Down?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yes, we'd absolutely love to have him on the show.
System of a Down?
Come on.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Alpha Turkey says, Ben's hatred for Vivek is something to behold.
You talking about Ben Shapiro?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I think when you just say Ben, everyone knows who you're referring to.
ian crossland
He didn't like Vivek.
Why come he didn't like him?
tim pool
He's not liked him ever.
He's a DeSantis guy.
phil labonte
Yeah, he's friends with him, but he's not a fan of him.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
phil labonte
I see what you're saying.
ian crossland
So he does like him, but he doesn't support him for president.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
He's friends with Vivek.
All right.
Logan Culver says, Vivek is millennial Ron Paul.
Changed my mind.
I swear, if I get sent one more video of the Vivek Obama thing, I'm just like, dude, I don't care.
They're like, did you notice that Vivek said things that Obama said?
I'm like, okay, I don't know.
He's studying politicians and trying to learn how to be an effective orator.
Next question.
What's the point?
ian crossland
I liked how he turned to Chris Christie and kind of like emasculated him.
I was like, just get off the stage.
Come on.
tim pool
Go have a nice meal.
ian crossland
And it's like, yeah, that is how I want my executive to talk.
to down to other leaders like you need to establish dominance.
tim pool
You know that there's a video going viral of Barbara Walters being like you're too fat to
be president did you see that? No I didn't see it. And he's like she's like I'm sitting here
across from you and I notice you are overweight and he goes very and she goes why and he's like
if I knew I'd fix it.
And she goes, well, some people say you're too fat to be president.
And he was like, that's, that's ridiculous.
That's, I don't know if she said it like that bluntly, but you know, I'll say it right now.
I mean, the dude's got major health problems.
phil labonte
I mean, look, I, any, I don't think that, I think it's irresponsible to put people that are, that are unhealthy like that in positions of Not just positions of power, but positions that we look up to.
I was talking to Brett about this today on PCC or before PCC.
We need to bring back aspirational.
No more of this ads that mimic reality and television shows that mimic reality and blah blah blah.
I want aspirational things.
I want attractive people in my ads.
I want attractive people that make people aspire to be better than they are.
And I think those are the people that should get more focus from society.
tim pool
We want to go to Mars!
Yeah, I mean, that's aspirational, you know, but I think that... A national vision and a national plan and something that unites us.
phil labonte
Yeah, but the idea that we should focus on average, everyday, and mundane, and that's what we should put in front of our faces all the time because that's what reality is, I think that we should reject that and we should look towards more aspirational things.
ian crossland
I like when average mundane becomes awesome over the course of a movie, because then you're like, well, now I know what average is.
phil labonte
That's the hero's journey.
ian crossland
Yes.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Komi Watermelon says, cast brew coffee in Shadowrun.
It's a good night.
Make Shadowrun great again.
What is that?
unidentified
What is that?
ian crossland
Shadowrun is like, uh, post-apoca... Eh, it's like, no, it's like a fascist corporate... corporatized global governance D&D.
tim pool
Like in the future.
I thought that's what it was, because you mentioned it before.
ian crossland
There's magic and dwarves and all these, like, fantasy characters, but it's all corporations.
tim pool
We gotta do that.
Yo, like, we need to do this, okay?
We need to do the Culture War D&D game.
ian crossland
It could be really good.
tim pool
I mean, that would be in, like, I mean, we, we, we, we, we play it live.
We do it for like four hours.
How many hours should a campaign go?
ian crossland
Two plus?
No, it's got to be more than two.
phil labonte
It's got to be, like, a campaign probably should go.
ian crossland
Oh, a campaign.
phil labonte
A campaign should go.
ian crossland
30, 40, 50 hours.
Yeah, it should be, like, weeks.
Over the course of, like, six months.
tim pool
So I'm saying, like, sit down for two, three hours at We need, so I think there already exists like a political version of D&D but we need to formulate it as to the modern politics and do like, so you know what like the Democrats and the neocons did in 2020 that is a war game?
They basically played Dungeons and Dragons but the characters were like Hillary and Trump and Biden and they war-gamed out what would happen by rolling die and like playing D&D and so I'm like we should do a show that creates the campaign Throughout 2024, and, like, stays a little bit ahead of what's going on.
ian crossland
Yeah, make Half-Orcs great again.
tim pool
Well, we wouldn't call them Half-Orcs, you'd have, like, politicians, you know?
The point of the game is, like, you're a lobbyist for Raytheon, you know what I mean?
eli crane
Have you guys ever played a video game on the show like that?
tim pool
We wouldn't do it on this show, we'd make a different show.
We did film one time, we played D&D, that was kind of fun, but it wasn't like a live thing or anything like that.
But, uh, Maybe gamer maids.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking that today.
It could be like an all-inclusive gamer channel.
It doesn't have to just be video games.
The whole idea of gamer men and gamer maids.
Let's roll with it.
tim pool
Gamer men.
ian crossland
Gamer men.
tim pool
And gamer maids.
ian crossland
Yes, I'm a proud gamer man.
tim pool
No, but for real, how do we do this?
We need someone who knows politics and D&D and can craft this.
ian crossland
Maybe you should DM it.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
You'd be a great storyteller.
tim pool
No time for that.
I ain't got no time for that!
ian crossland
But it's fun, it's like a Sunday night.
tim pool
Yeah, we could do a Sunday night live show, and then you're basically like, okay, the primary's happening, I'm gonna roll and see what happens, like, oh man, you know, Donald Trump actually lost to Iowa, how did that happen?
ian crossland
Oh, that's interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, and then you'd have like Proud Boys and Antifa and whatever.
It'd be hilarious.
All right, anyway.
All right, where are we at?
Nick Knapper says, Tim, man, you look tired.
I am the antithesis of tired.
I feel great.
But thank you.
Thank you for your concern.
Uh, man, I barely sleep.
I can't sleep.
I sleep like six hours a night.
ian crossland
Do you meditate?
tim pool
Uh, no.
I just did that.
ian crossland
It was great.
unidentified
No?
ian crossland
I took a sauna.
eli crane
What about melatonin?
Take any melatonin?
tim pool
None of that.
eli crane
You work out?
tim pool
Uh, I skate a lot.
And so, uh, we've been skating a lot and filming a lot.
eli crane
Does that help?
Does that help you sleep when you skate?
tim pool
No, no, I don't have trouble going to sleep.
I just don't need that much sleep.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
So, I go to bed usually around like 1 a.m.
and I wake up around, uh, it's six and a half hours.
I wake up around 6.30.
I'm sorry, 7.30.
So, yeah.
That's pretty awesome.
ian crossland
Sleep and rest are different things.
You can rest while you're awake.
And you can get sleep and not get rest, that's for sure.
tim pool
Then I work throughout the morning.
I've been working a lot faster.
I've been trying to get things done sooner, but it only works depending on what, like, the news is.
So right now we're in, like, things are getting kind of dense news-wise, so it allows me to record more quickly.
And then I've been skating around, like, 1 p.m., where I usually would skate around 3 p.m.
Gives me a little bit more time to go get food and then come back and hang out.
And then we get ready for the show around, like, 6.30.
Onward and then we finish at 11, and then I'm in bed by 11 30, and then I just watch I bet I usually I just watch TV shows, but Recently we were at a bank and one of the bank tellers had Jujutsu kaisen as his desktop background And so I was like I'm gonna watch that show and then I just spammed it anime Yeah, so is that is that your show your like genre of choice right now?
No, I mean like when you when you have a so the boys great show Gen V I like that and then what was the other thing I was watching?
I much prefer shows like that, but then recently just because some guy to bank was watching I was like I guess I'll check it out, and then, uh, actually, I think it's pretty good.
It's pretty good.
Cool.
But, uh, I don't know.
ian crossland
Jujutsu Kaisen means sorcery battle.
tim pool
Sorcery battle.
Yeah.
That's basically what it's about.
And people, uh, like, it- You basically take any anime, like modern anime, and they're all, like, identical.
You know what I mean?
You ever see that thing where they- They took, uh, yeah, energy blasts or whatever.
Someone took the top four country songs over like four years and then laid them over each other and it's the same song.
So, you know, that's how anime works too.
It's like when it works, you know, it works.
All right.
Sakurai13 says, I stopped eating bread after I realized it was staying fresh a month after the expiration date.
I don't like to eat things like that.
ian crossland
You put fresh in quotation marks.
phil labonte
I feel like that is more indicative of them telling you that it goes bad long before it's actually going to go bad, so you buy.
More than it is actually a problem.
Yes.
Yep.
tim pool
However, I think it's also depending on the bread like McDonald's doesn't rot or mold.
phil labonte
So there so if you get Wonder Bread just like white Wonder Bread like a plain old white Wonder Bread that stuff will be moldy with like real fast and I feel like that's because of the sugar content in it.
ian crossland
That's what I was thinking.
phil labonte
But I don't, but if you get like all natural bread, that stuff will last and last and last.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
You need to make bread like every day and it would mold in a couple days.
ian crossland
If you keep it dry, it stays better longer.
phil labonte
If you keep it dry, yeah.
ian crossland
But like five days.
After two days, you're like... If there's any moisture, plastic bags make it go moldy really quick.
But if it's in like a dry thing with holes in it, you can kind of like a bread basket, you can keep it five days, maybe seven top.
But usually by seven, you've got mold on it.
Five, probably five.
tim pool
Rob says, Phil should use his failed musician skills and see if Shawn Danielson of Smile Empty Soul and Aaron Lewis of Stained would come on the show.
Also, I hear James Hetfield is pretty based.
Ian, you're the man dude.
phil labonte
Rock on.
I don't know the guys in Smile Empty Soul or James Hetfield, but I do know Aaron.
I'm trying to get a hold of him, but I haven't been able to.
tim pool
He actually just left.
He was here a week ago.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Last week.
phil labonte
I'm trying to get in touch with him.
tim pool
So he played at Hollywood Charlestown and I was like, oh, maybe he'll have time, but it looked like his schedule wouldn't have made sense.
So I don't know if our people reached out to his people or whatever happened, but I think he was coming straight from like Philly.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So it was like, no, no one's going to do a show and then do a morning, like no one's going to play a live show up to midnight, then do a morning show and then do another show that night.
phil labonte
It'd be cool to have him on the Culture War though.
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
That'd be really great.
eli crane
I really like that guy, man.
Who is he?
Aaron Lewis.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, reading what he wrote.
He wrote that song that was really big about America, you know?
Right.
phil labonte
He's from Springfield.
He's from the town that I grew up in.
Well, the town just south of where I grew up.
tim pool
But reading about his explanation for, like, why he wrote it and why he decided... It's amazing.
He's a good dude.
Oh, yeah.
Stand.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
phil labonte
I know this guy's music.
ian crossland
He's great.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
They got tons of great stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Has it been a while?
Is that Stand?
tim pool
Oh, man.
ian crossland
It's been a while!
Dude, that song is hot!
unidentified
I love that song.
tim pool
All right.
Andrew8843 says, Disabled veteran here.
Why can't the major Richard Starr act to get a vote in Congress?
eli crane
Which one is that?
tim pool
Major Richard Starr Act.
I'm not familiar.
eli crane
I don't know it off the top of my head.
I'd have to look it up.
tim pool
Andrew just lobbied Congress right now, that super chat.
Maybe now you'll look into it and maybe something will happen.
unidentified
Who knows?
tim pool
Maybe it turns out to be a really bad act and he's like, whoa, this guy's crazy.
Or maybe it's something really good that needs to get some conversation.
We'll figure it out.
Brown Bear says, as much as I want to see Trump get his revenge after last night, I honestly think Vivek would be a better president.
I agree.
But the issue with Vivek is You know, all in due time, I think Vivek would be an excellent president.
I think, first, he'd be a great VP.
I know he probably doesn't want to do that, but I wonder if that's just him saying publicly, I don't want to be VP because he needs to maintain the composure of, I'm a leader.
I'm not just here to be VP.
But, I don't know, I think he'd do a fantastic job, actually.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too, man.
eli crane
You know, I want to throw in on that one.
Here's the deal, though.
A lot of politicians are great at talking.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
eli crane
Right?
And so, as far as I'm concerned, is Vic Vake great on a debate stage?
tim pool
Absolutely.
eli crane
But, You can't really judge any of these folks until you see them under pressure.
And that's the reason why I'm Trump all the way, because we've seen them throw the kitchen sink at him.
And he doesn't stop.
He doesn't change course.
And he's willing to stand in the gap no matter what.
Which is why, you know, Vivek may be strong if he got into one of these pressure situations, but we already know Trump is.
And that's why I support Trump all the way.
Because politicians are great at talking and talk is cheap.
tim pool
And that's another good point.
I'd like to see Vivek take on office.
He's got a debate.
But apparently the rumor is Melania wants Tucker to be VP.
I saw that too.
I think Tucker would be.
Yeah, I think Tucker would be a better VP than Vivek.
Vivek's leadership material.
Vivek should figure it out.
I don't know.
I think he's fantastic.
But Trump-Carlson 2024?
Man, ow!
That'd be hot.
ian crossland
That's the populist ticket.
eli crane
That'd be awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
But I agree on the revenge thing.
It doesn't thrill me as a message to send to the people.
I don't want to... No, he's saying he does want it.
Oh, he agrees that revenge is cool?
I don't know.
tim pool
But he says, despite that, I do think Vivek would be better.
ian crossland
Yeah, being given a plan and a blueprint of the future is exhilarating.
tim pool
I like revenge.
I like, you know, and it's funny because you've got these pundits being like, Donald Trump doesn't care about you.
He only wants revenge for himself.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm on board with that.
Yes, okay, next question.
Are you kidding?
Trump going in and firing a bunch of people?
Yeah, great.
Let him get his revenge.
Have a good time.
ian crossland
When they did that quote too, where they asked him if he was gonna be authoritarian the day he went in, or if he was gonna abuse his power.
Yeah, and he answered the question without listening to the question.
He answered it in a way that didn't make sense.
So I don't think he said, yes, I'm going to abuse my power.
phil labonte
He was just like, He said he's going to do it on the first day.
ian crossland
Close the border and deport a bunch of people.
tim pool
Close the border and drill.
ian crossland
And drill, drill, drill, yeah.
tim pool
And then Sean was like, yes, but going after your opponents, he's like, we're going to drill!
And he's like, so you're saying you want to bring things back to the way they were.
OK, next question.
phil labonte
We're going to drill!
tim pool
Want to close the border!
Mikey says, yo, Tim, it's my birthday.
Happy birthday.
Is that Mickey or Mikey?
I think it's Mickey.
The Ninja Bear says, Tim, you have to have movies like Monty Python and Die Hard playing in the studio.
Mary hasn't seen them.
Phil and Peeps, Empire is the best Star Wars movie.
Jedi is just Muppets.
Ian, Web 3.0 Blockchain.
We were talking about Star Wars, uh, before the show.
phil labonte
He was listening to the show today, PCC Today.
tim pool
Oh, they were talking about it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Because I mentioned on Twitter that, you know, basically, we talked about how Luke Skywalker got radicalized by religious zealots to go blow up a military base.
Canonically, there's between 1 and 2 million people, or 1 to 2 million total, on the Death Star.
In later books, they said, oh, it's Empire propaganda, it was only 800,000, and I'm like, Is that better?
I mean, dude, come on!
Luke Skywalker killed a million people!
And it's canonical, uh, it is canon, that, uh, many of the people who were on the Death Star had their families there working as well, and many of them were civilian contractors.
Because it has to be!
I mean, there's no reasonable storytelling with, well, we evacuated all civilians and the only people there were evil military men.
Look, all the people, people's families are there.
And so, uh...
My point I eventually got to was, I think, you know, people are saying, yeah, but the Death Star blew up Alderaan, and I'm like, nah, that's rebel propaganda, dude.
ian crossland
Alderaan blew itself up, you guys, sorry to tell you.
tim pool
Yeah, because they were stockpiling weapons to use against the innocent, you know, people, the religious zealots, and then when it blows up, they just blame it on the Empire as a false flag.
But more importantly, real quick, The story of Anakin Skywalker in Revenge of the Sith is the most unbelievable and implausible scenario I've ever heard.
Here's this guy who's a military hero, beloved by the people, who is working on behalf of the government, legally, and then, one day, just one day for no reason, He murders the head of the Jedi Council, and then decides, an hour later, to massacre children.
That sounds like rebel propaganda.
phil labonte
Mental illness.
tim pool
No, but like, my point is, it's just bad story writing.
Like, Anakin Skywalker's like, you can't kill him, he must stand trial.
And Mace Windu's like, no, he's too evil.
So literally, it's Anakin being like, we must uphold the law.
And then an hour later, he's like, I guess I'll kill a bunch of kids.
Like, that story arc makes no sense whatsoever.
So I want to make a short film.
We gotta figure this one out, where it's basically inverting the propaganda and making Star Wars from the perspective of the Empire.
They wouldn't call themselves the Empire, that's silly propaganda.
ian crossland
They'd call themselves the United States of Space, we'll say.
tim pool
The United Planets of Space, yeah.
And then there's a religious zealot group, a group of religious zealots.
They blow up a military base, killing millions of people, including hundreds of thousands of civilians.
ian crossland
If the Death Star had blown up Alderaan, would they have been justified in murder?
And would it even be murder?
I asked you guys that before the show.
For Luke blowing that Death Star up with a million people on it, was it justified?
tim pool
I say no.
ian crossland
I say yes.
tim pool
I think, so it's all in the storytelling, and the storytelling is the only way to do it, was this one weakness, where they sent in the bomb, and then it blew the whole thing up, and then everyone said that was stupid, and so then they made the prequel Rogue One, where the guy building the SR goes, I've implanted a secret weakness, so that my daughter could blow it up, and I'm like, yeah, okay, great, right, kind of cheap.
Right, because the reality is they would stage an attack on, and this is a moon-sized base, they'd attack the weapon.
They would disable the weapon and not massacre everybody on the base.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to answer that guy.
He said Empire was the best of the Star Wars and that Return of the Jedi was a bunch of puppets.
You're right, it was.
But it was the best, in my opinion, because the way Luke turned Darth Vader to the light side is like, just what great storytelling.
phil labonte
And that happened in Jedi.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was the end of Return of the Jedi.
phil labonte
Yeah, not Empire.
ian crossland
No, that's why I think Jedi's better, is how he did it in Jedi.
Just like that story is like, yo, yes, you can redeem.
phil labonte
Okay.
Yeah, I disagree with that.
tim pool
Yeah, it was so stupid how they made him evil in the first place.
That was just so dumb.
Your wife died from sadness, and now you murder children.
Why did Anakin kill a bunch of kids?
ian crossland
It was super cheap.
tim pool
I will do anything you say.
What?
Why?
Like, come on, man.
Give me something to believe the dude wants to be evil.
Not just the, what have I done?
Yikes.
But anyway, my point is, we could take those clips and then make a short film where we're like, this is all rebel propaganda.
That's not how Anakin... Anakin didn't murder a bunch of kids for no reason!
ian crossland
It could start off with, like, an old man reading this end of the story, and it turns out he's, like, a rebel propagandist.
They're like, oh yeah, that guy, and then you, like, find out it's all rebel propaganda.
tim pool
I think you just do the movie and you do it from the perspective of the Empire.
And then, like...
It's just, you don't have Darth Vader killing people, killing children for no reason.
Like, that just makes no sense.
It doesn't even fit his story arc.
No, I mean, for real, if they want to make him evil, there was no point in making him go to a temple to murder children.
It didn't do anything for the story.
ian crossland
I was thinking, like, Princess Bride, oh, there's the narrator, and he's like, but if you really want to know what happened, and then he gets out the real book, and he's like... And we wouldn't, we wouldn't be able to call it, actually, we might be able to call it Star Wars and the Empire, because we're making fun of it.
tim pool
Luke is just some zealot.
Oh, we were talking about this too.
Ian mentioned that he comes home and he finds his parents are murdered.
ian crossland
Yeah, fried by lasers or something.
tim pool
Alright, let's break this down.
ian crossland
His uncle and aunt.
tim pool
Actually, let me ask you.
You served overseas.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You get orders that there are people who have stolen classified military weapons materials and have hidden that in a location.
Like, how would that play out if you were ordered to go to that house?
And like, they're not cooperating.
You have to like, kick the door in.
Like, you've got to get that stuff back.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, the scenario would be...
The Stormtroopers, they call it.
Oh, come on, that's propaganda.
These servicemen and women receive vital instruction that weapons, classified weapons materials, plans, and means of exploiting and blowing up a military base have fallen into the hands of religious zealot terrorists.
They deploy to this planet, all desert.
They go to this house, last known location of the droid carrying the information.
And what happens?
The people there resist.
I mean, so this is not an easy situation.
And I don't know what the answer's gonna be, but the end result was, they die.
The military then collects what they can, they find nothing, they leave.
Luke Skywalker comes home to find his parents are dead, and then says, THE EVIL EMPIRE KILLED MY- or his aunt and uncle, sorry.
And he's like, THEY KILLED MY AUNT AND UNCLE AND NOW I WANT REVENGE, and that's probably a true story for what happens with the United States and the Middle East all the time.
ian crossland
And if you think about the drastic nature that the Empire was under, it's like if during the Manhattan Project, if our plans for the nuclear bomb got leaked to the Nazis and it was in a location and we had to send in special forces to get it back, like there is no time.
You don't ask if you can have it.
tim pool
Well, let's put it this way.
The plans for the schematics for the World Trade Center are stolen by terrorists with also the capability and the means and the plans to destroy them and everyone inside.
And soldiers are ordered to go recover that, to put a stop to this plan, and in the search, these two people are killed.
They resist, they say, oh, get out of here, a fight breaks out, the guy with the guns wins.
eli crane
That's the key word.
The key word there is resist.
Right.
And in a situation like that, it depends on what level of resistance, right?
If you feel like you can handle the situation without lethality, that's absolutely what you do.
But if you don't, if you feel like you need to escalate it to lethality, then that's how it works.
tim pool
See, we gotta make this short film.
It's gold, man.
eli crane
I definitely feel like I should have beefed up on my Star Wars before coming out here.
unidentified
Luke Skywalker?
eli crane
I feel completely inadequate.
ian crossland
Did you see the first three?
eli crane
I think, yeah, I did.
I did, but I'm definitely not...
At the level of you guys, man.
ian crossland
Oh, man, they were so good.
eli crane
That's my bad.
tim pool
So Luke comes home and his aunt and uncle are dead, and then a religious guy in robes comes and he's like, let me explain to you the truth about the evil empire.
And he's like, what's the evil empire?
Well, you might call them the United Planets, you know, of the Milky Way.
But we call them the evil empire.
And then he's like, whoa.
And the guy gives him a gun, basically.
Like, dude hands him a weapon right away.
ian crossland
Luke was gonna join in.
tim pool
How old was Luke?
Sixteen something?
ian crossland
Yeah, something young.
tim pool
And the dude's like, here's a laser weapon.
And he's like, wow!
It's also funny with Harry Potter.
They're basically giving kids guns.
Like, you give them a wand and then Harry Potter slashes a kid in the back.
ian crossland
Luke and Vince were gonna join the United Empire of Planets.
Oh yeah.
tim pool
But we'll talk more about that later.
Ram Charger says, I was a member of the U.S.
Coast Guard, which is part of the DHS.
I was one of many who was kicked out over not being vaccinated.
If Congress is willing to make the DoD and DHS take us back with back pay and back promotions, no matter our discharge status.
Is Congress willing to make the DoD and DHS take us back with back pay, back promotions, no matter their discharge status?
No, what do you think about that?
eli crane
Yeah, if it was for the vaccine mandate, I absolutely would be.
I've talked to a couple members on the VA committee about that same thing, a couple other veterans.
And I do think there's an appetite amongst it from certain members of the conference.
I don't know if we could get right now to pass something in Congress, you would need 218 votes.
And I think we have like 221 people.
So it's a it's a tall order to get any piece of legislation through Congress, and then you have to get it through the Senate.
And then Biden would have to sign it.
But it goes back to what I was talking about.
That's one way right there that they could start to reestablish some trust amongst not only folks that have served, but in, you know, amongst younger generations if they want to get the recruiting numbers up.
tim pool
Let me try- okay, I'm gonna try and get your name right.
It's, uh, is it, uh, Wojciech Zapotoczny?
I totally got it wrong, but I was close, right?
I say that we vote to take Ian's rocks away.
All in favor say aye.
ian crossland
Unfortunately, we are in a republic where, uh, the sheep is well-armed and can contest the vote.
tim pool
I appreciate the sentiment.
Oh, that's true.
So everyone in chat, we're not a democracy, you can't... I, being the representative, however, if elected, will issue my decision on voting to take away Ian's rocks.
eli crane
What rocks do they want, Ian?
ian crossland
You probably want this aquamarine, no doubt.
It's beautiful.
And maybe this amethyst, which I love a lot.
tim pool
I think the problem is, ladies and gentlemen, as your representative here at Timcast, I'm actually the one who gave Ian a bunch of those rocks.
ian crossland
It's true.
We'd have to go through and be like, a divorce settlement I don't want to do.
These mushrooms are great.
I got them in a triangle like the Triforce.
tim pool
Everyone's voting to take away your rocks!
unidentified
No, don't do it!
ian crossland
That's where I get my power!
I'm just kidding, by the way.
tim pool
We could do a bit where Ian's rocks get stolen, then he's wearing a suit, reading the Bible.
ian crossland
Rock man?
phil labonte
We do need a superhero.
eli crane
He should be polishing a chess board, or doing the chess board like Shawshank Redemption.
Yeah, they give him all the rocks and he makes a chess board, chess pieces out of it.
ian crossland
That's a good idea.
eli crane
That's cool.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim likes chair dancing to Taylor Swift.
You know, the last thing I want to bring up on this is, like, if you saw my segment on this one, there's a PSYOP going on right now to convince Trump supporters to attack Taylor Swift.
You know why?
Because Taylor Swift publicly called out George Soros, she did, and Alex Soros, because they bought her music, her master recordings, out from under her.
And now, for some reason, a bunch of Trump supporters are actually attacking Taylor Swift, insulting her, And I'm like, why are you starting a fight with someone who actually just opened the door for an opportunity there?
Like, you can go to all of Taylor Swift's fans right now and be like, hey Taylor Swift fan, did you see how George Soros screwed over Taylor Swift?
unidentified
Yeah, we also don't like George Soros.
tim pool
Instead, people are like, Taylor's awful and she's a Democrat, so condemn her, and I'm like, why?
It's so weird.
It's so weird.
ian crossland
That's cool, man.
The Uniparty is definitely where we should be focused.
tim pool
Yeah, just don't, like, first of all, if Taylor Swift is going to vote Democrat and push all these things, and she probably will, why go to war with the most popular celebrity?
It just makes no sense.
phil labonte
Because people are dumb.
ian crossland
So we've got to get Taylor over here.
tim pool
Alright, James Hates Everything says, you've clearly never seen Troops.
Google, Owen and Barry were in a domestic dispute.
Yes, I have, but it's not what I'm talking about.
I'm saying I want to make it totally inverted, right?
But anyway, my friends, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends.
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It's going to be fun.
And you can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Rep Crane, would you like to shout anything out?
eli crane
No, I just appreciate the opportunity to be here, man.
tim pool
Thanks for coming.
eli crane
Yeah, it's it's awesome to be here.
And, you know, I appreciate what you guys do.
You know that, as you guys know, a lot of media has been completely co-opted.
So it's great to have alternate, you know, places where people can come and just listen to regular people talk about, you know, I think, you know, different perspectives.
tim pool
Right on.
And the good is, I think independent media is winning.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
And it's been gradually just going up and up and up, so that's fantastic.
eli crane
100%.
100%.
Right on.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify, on Apple Music, on Pandora, YouTube, you know, the internet.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Eli, I hope you come back, man.
That was awesome.
This was really good.
And people are going to follow you on Twitter.
It's at Eli Crane underscore CEO is your personal account.
And then it's rep Eli Crane is your is your congressional account.
eli crane
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, I probably should have said that, man.
ian crossland
Let me do it for you.
That's what I do.
eli crane
Thank you.
ian crossland
Always pleasure to.
Yeah, you too, man.
And Serge, tell me about it.
Give me that microphone juice.
eli crane
Uh, that spot's fixed over there, so whenever we're done- It is fixed.
unidentified
Get over there, yeah.
Oh, good.
eli crane
Just the cable burnt out.
It was working for when, uh, what?
unidentified
Soundcheck, like, at six o'clock, so... Right.
tim pool
I guess it just burnt out.
unidentified
Is that Libby?
Yeah.
tim pool
Cool.
Alright, everybody, we will see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute or so.
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