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Nov. 15, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - FIST FIGHT IN SENATE STOPPED By Bernie, Kevin McCarthy ATTACKS Gop Rep w/Lauren Chen
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hannah claire brimelow
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ian crossland
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lauren chen
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tim pool
Okay, so a fistfight almost broke out in the Senate in one of the hearings today, and Bernie
Sanders ruined all my fun.
We had two adult men agreeing to a mutual combat situation, and Bernie Sanders starts
I'm like, you are a United States senator!
Sit down! And like, you know, he's yelling at him and then, uh, no kidding. This really happened.
I definitely want to talk about it. And then we had, um, probably the more important story
is Kevin McCarthy physically attacking a rep who voted against him. Uh, this rep, Brachette,
says that he was elbowed a straight kidney shot and Kevin McCarthy is trying to back ways.
He's like, I was just walking through the hall and I bumped into him.
That's all that happened.
And these reporters are like, dude, the hallway is massive.
How do you accidentally bump into a guy in the hallway?
Like no one believes you.
Plus a reporter from NPR watched it happen.
So we definitely got to talk about this.
And, uh, you know, I don't know a bunch of other stories.
We got some, some weird and wild ones.
And Wokeness, an account on X, posted a picture of a black Santa Claus in a wheelchair ornament that Target is selling.
I did not believe it was real, and I pulled it up on the Target website.
So, I just gotta say, man, you know, Target, I don't know.
They can't seem to learn their lesson about just doing this weird stuff.
And I guess it's fine if anybody wants to buy that ornament.
I got no beef.
It's just Target.
I don't know who you're marketing towards.
So, we'll talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Lauren Chen.
lauren chen
Hey, great to be back.
Thank you for having me.
tim pool
Yeah, who are you?
What do you do?
lauren chen
So I am Lauren Chen.
I am a Blaze TV host as well as TPUSA contributor.
And actually, if you guys are subscribed to the Blaze, you'll know that we just put out a really cool documentary about what really happened in Maui regarding the Lahaina fires.
So we were on location on Maui, really beautiful place, but it was terrible what happened.
We were there with the actual crew that used to work with Tucker Carlson for his Tucker Carlson original series.
So they were just total pros, and yeah, it's actually investigative on-the-ground journalism, which we don't really see the mainstream media do that much anymore.
So if you want to check it out, blazetv.com, and you can use the code LAURENPLUS to save money on your annual subscription.
And I am also just a humble soap merchant as well.
If you guys are in the market for any bath or body products and you don't want to support Yeah, you can check it out at Etsy.com slash shop slash clearly pure spelled C-L-E-A-R-L-Y-P-U-R and yeah actually Ian this one's for you.
ian crossland
I've been salivating.
My eyeballs are getting wet.
lauren chen
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now. You guys can save money if you use the code TIM10 for orders over 75, TIM20 for orders
over 100, and TIM25 for 25% off orders over 125. So yeah, I appreciate everyone who's
already shopped and left reviews.
It means a lot.
tim pool
Right on.
You see, the reason they do the code like that is because then they know how many people from this show are buying the products, right?
lauren chen
Exactly, exactly.
tim pool
So don't let me down, guys!
Come on, you're going to embarrass me in front of Lauren.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you guys all have to get your family's Christmas presents.
unidentified
Lauren's so Black Friday sales, family business, hard to go wrong.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, don't you want to smell like Lauren Chen?
I'm just kidding.
I can't say that she personally smells like this.
I'm Hannah Klob-Rimmel.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
I'm so happy to be here with you.
And, of course, we have Ian who's checking out all the smells.
ian crossland
Look at that Beatles song.
Don't let me down!
You know that one that John Lennon is using?
Don't let me down!
Well, what's the website exactly?
Etsy.com slash shop?
lauren chen
Slash clearly pure.
C-L-E-A-R-L-Y-P-U-R.
And I apologize that our redirect is not currently working.
ian crossland
Clearly pure.
You gave me some of this before and it was so good.
tim pool
I appreciate it.
Ian loves soap.
ian crossland
I do.
Because it goes right through your skin, so you want to treat it like eat organic and use organic soaps.
lauren chen
Exactly.
Natural oils, avocado oil, that's what our soaps are probably made from.
tim pool
Whenever Allison and I will go out somewhere and there's like some hippie soaps for sale, we'll be like, oh, we'll get that for Ian.
And then whenever we tell people like we always buy Ian's soap, they give us this look as if the implication is something's wrong with Ian.
Ian smells wonderful.
unidentified
Because of all the soap, to be honest.
lauren chen
My mom makes everything herself and she knew that last time you were a fan so she gave you a ton of stuff.
ian crossland
Thank you so much to your mother as well.
hannah claire brimelow
This whole show is a soap ad now.
lauren chen
Soap and coffee, what more do you need?
ian crossland
I'm going to tweet out the link to the store so people have that.
tim pool
So now that Hannah Clare and Ian have already introduced themselves.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh yeah, we have this guy named Serge.
serge du preez
Yes, I also should say thank you to giving me the same or a similar basket.
I appreciate it as well.
It's always good to see you here.
Especially someone that's like a fellow Southeast Asian third culture kid, you know.
lauren chen
Yeah, for sure.
We're holding down the fort with Celsius.
serge du preez
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
All right, shall we jump to the news?
serge du preez
Yep.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know if this is the most important story, but it's certainly one of the most fun and Bernie Sanders has to go and spoil everything.
When you search for the story about the fistfight that nearly occurred in the Senate, in a Senate hearing, most headlines are like, Bernie Sanders stops fistfight, and he did!
And I am upset with Bernie, okay?
Okay, I'm not really, you know, that you shouldn't fight in the Senate, but here's the story.
Senator Mullins challenges Teamsters president to fight during committee hearing.
Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, a Republican, challenged Teamsters President Sean O'Brien to a fight during a Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions hearing on Tuesday.
I really would love to get Senator Mullen on the show now because this was absolutely epic.
Sean M. O'Brien has been making fun of Mullins.
He tweeted, Greedy CEO who pretends like he's self-made.
In reality, just a clown and fraud.
Always has been, always will be.
Quit the tough guy act in these Senate hearings.
You know where to find me.
Anyplace, anytime.
Cowboy.
Hashtag little man syndrome.
And there's a photo of him standing on a box during a debate or something like this.
And you know what?
I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna play the video for you guys and you can listen for yourselves.
unidentified
Like he's self-made.
Sir, I wish you was in the truck with me when I was building my plumbing company myself and my wife was running the office because I sure remember working pretty hard and long hours.
Pretends like he's self-made.
What a clown.
Fraud.
Always has been.
Always will be.
Quit the tough guy act and these Senate hearings.
You know where to find me.
Anyplace.
Anytime.
Cowboy.
Sir, this is a time, this is a place.
If you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults, we can finish it here.
Okay, that's fine.
You want to do it now?
I'd love to do it right now.
Well, stand your butt up then.
You stand your butt up.
Oh, hold on.
Oh, stop.
Is that your solution?
He goes for the wedding ring.
Sit down.
You're a United States senator.
Sit down, please.
Can I respond?
Hold it!
Hold it!
This is what he said.
This is what he said.
I'm sorry. This is all that he said you'll have your time.
Okay.
Okay. Can I respond? Oh, no, you can't Hearing oh wow
hannah claire brimelow
This is in our official government record.
lauren chen
My question is, does this happen more or less often now that there are cameras televising this than in the past?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, there was that Democrat who just announced he's retiring, and one of his big critiques was that Congress is performative, that everyone's just looking to have their viral moment.
But what I like about this, and I did confirm this just now, is that Mullins is in fact a former undefeated MMA champion.
tim pool
No, wait, what?
hannah claire brimelow
On his official bio on the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullins is a former undefeated mixed martial arts MMA fighter with a professional record of 5-0.
He was inducted into the Oklahoma Wrestling Hall of Fame in 2016.
So I'm telling you, this would have been amazing.
unidentified
Wow, man.
tim pool
I'd like, I would love to get him on maybe a Culture War episode.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like his energy.
lauren chen
You got to get him and the Teamster though.
tim pool
No, they'll fight!
lauren chen
Exactly, it's not really a culture war episode, I'm just saying some sort of Logan Paul boxing match.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's who needs to reach out to them.
Logan Paul, what are you doing here, team?
tim pool
I gotta say, let's be real.
Here's Mr. O'Brien.
This dude would get rocked by moments.
ian crossland
He'd get pushed, he'd push him, and then he'd get choked.
tim pool
No, this guy probably wouldn't last five seconds.
ian crossland
He probably put him in a choke really fast or like an arm bar or something.
tim pool
Who's older?
I'm assuming he's older.
lauren chen
It looks like him, but I'm not sure.
hannah claire brimelow
He might have an ill-fitting suit on.
Look at this guy's face!
unidentified
Look at this guy!
ian crossland
Who's this guy?
What is this?
unidentified
I think he's probably Nate O'Brien who was like, let's go.
hannah claire brimelow
This is what I came here for.
tim pool
I just you know that meme where it's like the two women are like, they cover their mouths and the guy just smiles.
Like I imagine a lot of the guys in there watching this haven't started laughing.
ian crossland
Like let's go.
Bernie, Bernie, like, really came off as a badass, except if he was bigger and stronger than the other dudes, I would've been like, oh, that's my president.
hannah claire brimelow
He is like the high school teacher coming out into the hallway and being like, everybody go, go to your rooms.
And I think, I mean, Mark Wynne Mullins is interesting to me because he's one of the only tradesmen who has a seat in the Senate, right?
And actually, theoretically, Bernie Sanders also lists himself as a former carpenter.
And so we have tradesman v. tradesman v. teamster, which I find interesting.
lauren chen
Do you think that was a planned moment or it's just a moment of passion?
hannah claire brimelow
I think he went in knowing he would try to fight him.
I just don't think he was expecting a response of like, yes, I will fight you right here and now.
tim pool
So here's a tweet from Citizen Free Press Update.
Mullin posts a picture with his guns and challenges Teamster boss Sean O'Brien to a fight.
lauren chen
Wonderful.
tim pool
Duel?
He says, let's do it any place, any time.
And then he tagged Comfortably Smug in it.
Comfortably Smug said this is an invitation for Senator Mullin to come on Ruthless Podcast.
Oh, okay, he's not... He's not threatening to duel him.
Right, okay, Citizen Free Press is wrong.
He's responding to the podcast saying he's gonna go to... Oh, hey, Senator Mullins, we'd love to have you on.
We definitely gotta talk about this.
ian crossland
Yeah, let's make some noise about the challenge.
Do you think that watching dudes fight makes culture become more combative, or is it like an outlet?
hannah claire brimelow
Or do you think that we should see people fight because then we know that there are correct times to channel aggression instead of just letting people be weirdly passive aggressors forever until they default into extreme violence?
lauren chen
Right, because we're seeing less violence from our at least elected officials than ever.
But at the same time, I feel like we're more in terms of rhetoric and division, like we've gone further to the extreme.
So maybe it's we're actually lacking the consequences that comes from this rhetoric that would naturally kind of pull people back.
Maybe we do need to see that.
Oh, yeah.
Words have consequences.
You can't just mouth off and expect nothing to happen.
People eventually will call you out, and some people, like Mullins, they might be willing to go to blows.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I always heard the big difference between men and women was that women are sort of past aggressive, they hold grudges forever, but also they are not prone to violence, whereas men, if they have a conflict, ultimately it'll always come to hitting each other, but then at that point you've decided who's sort of in charge.
lauren chen
So you can almost move past it.
ian crossland
Often yelling with the two guys, guy friends will like yell at each other.
I don't do it as much anymore, but like growing up it'd be like, you'd scream it out and then you'd be done and then it'd be totally back to normal the next day.
lauren chen
Yeah, very different from women.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, women would hold on to that for the rest of their lives.
tim pool
They'd see each other, but they'd hate each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He's the only currently serving senator without at least a bachelor's degree.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
He's super cool.
He also is like an active, I think he, I don't know what term is, but he like He raises cows and stuff.
Like a cowboy?
lauren chen
He's a real cowboy?
hannah claire brimelow
He's a real cowboy MMA fighter!
Yeah, I was working on this piece for a long time where I was like stalking all the professional backgrounds of everyone in the Senate and he's really unique, right?
There are senators that literally own MLB teams and there's this guy who has a big family and is actually a tradesman who built his company and then made T.U.
a Senate.
Like, why don't we have more people like that?
tim pool
He's super rich, uh, let's see, it says between November 06 and April 20- uh, 07, Mullen fought in three MMA fights, winning all three.
His total fight time was less than ten minutes, and he fought a total of less than three full rounds.
ian crossland
That's the way to win, that's the way to- Wow!
tim pool
So, I was tell him- Let me see you mess that dude up!
unidentified
Yeah!
hannah claire brimelow
Also, he should now fight every other American senator.
Yeah!
Not the women, but like, that would be fascinating, right?
tim pool
Well, why not, you know?
What's gender but it's such a construct, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, exactly.
Instead of this voting for our Speaker of the House, we just have them fight Mark Wayne Mullen.
lauren chen
Like Wakanda, that's how we should decide political leadership.
tim pool
Yeah, what is it?
Patriarchal bloodlines in ritual combat.
Mark Wayne Mullen, I want to make sure everybody understands, he did not start the fight.
That dude threatened him on Twitter and then imagine... I mean, dude, you're like, I'm here to do my job and this guy's posting that he wants to fight me, that he's going to fight me, and then he's going to show up to where I'm working and testify before me.
I'm going to call him out for it.
I respect it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
And as much as I think all of the men listening are like, oh, Bernie, what are you doing?
Okay, Bernie.
The responsible portions of the male brain are saying, I know, you should stop the fight, nobody wants to get hurt.
But, you know, the more primate part of the brain is screaming, BERNIE, NO!
ian crossland
Yeah, it would have set a precedent that fighting in there is okay if they'd fought.
But I think if they both agreed to it, then why wouldn't we allow it?
lauren chen
A gentleman's duel.
tim pool
Well, that's the thing.
Mutual combat is legal in a lot of places.
I don't know if it's legal in D.C.
Let me check, actually.
I think in Oregon, mutual combat, there's no crime if two people agree to fight.
ian crossland
Dude, that guy, that bald dude was gonna get...
Rocked.
He had no idea.
He was talking crap.
serge du preez
Best people that haven't gotten hit or been in a fight before, they always think they're gonna win a situation like that.
They think a little bit bigger than them.
It's not always how it works, man.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, he knew someone would intervene.
I just, you know, could you imagine this guy waking up in the morning and be like, Bernie Sanders is gonna intervene on my behalf.
tim pool
It's not Oregon, it's Washington State and Texas have mutual combat laws.
Both parties must agree to the fight.
It must be in public and there can be no serious bodily injury to the participants.
To the participants.
lauren chen
But how do they distinguish between that and something like UFC?
Because you could do UFC in Las Vegas.
I mean, isn't that technically a mutually agreed upon fight?
ian crossland
I think they're called sanctioned fights.
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
Like they get permits for these fights to happen.
And everybody knows that, like, you know, the best MMA fights are after the fight's over.
The dudes touch gloves, give a hug, and then go, like, they know that they don't hate each other.
They're trying to be the best fighter.
That, I love watching that.
I can't stand the snooty MMA fighters who are, like, smack-talking, and I'm like, I get it.
They're trying to, like, get attention and build ratings or whatever.
But I like the fights when a dude loses and the other guy, like, gives him a fist bump, they shake hands or whatever.
lauren chen
Well, my husband, he's really into UFC.
He watches it, like, basically any Saturday that there's a fight.
But he was saying that there's incentive for them to trash talk and try to make it as toxic as possible because then it draws viewers and then, like, their bag's bigger and there's just more attention on them.
tim pool
Exactly.
Exactly.
You want people to hope you lose.
Yeah.
Then more money comes in.
Everybody wants to watch because they're looking for the villain.
And it's like, yeah, you know, whatever.
ian crossland
That happened with that Logan Paul fight recently that some guy was like talking about his ex-girlfriend or his wife.
I don't even want to propagate the nonsense, but Logan went in there and decimated the dude.
serge du preez
Yeah.
ian crossland
And then it didn't get as much attention as I would have.
I mean they weren't like top billing or anything.
tim pool
No.
Not my friends.
Well, uh, many of you may be sad to hear that the fight didn't actually happen.
Don't worry, a different fight did.
We got this from the New York Post.
Rep Tim Burchett accuses bully Kevin McCarthy of attacking him with, quote, clean shot to the kidneys in Capitol Hallway.
Yup, this one's hilarious, and as much as they're saying it's a claim and it's alleged, an NPR reporter was standing there, recording, and tweeted out, she saw this happen, that McCarthy came up from behind him and shoved him, and she thought it was a joke, and then a chase ensued, we started yelling at McCarthy, and what Burchette said is that he elbowed him straight in the kidneys.
So this, Burchette voted against Kevin McCarthy.
McCarthy is, it's a mental breakdown, dude.
Matt Gaetz pointed out at our Miami event, this is so amazing, so glorious, that McCarthy gets a billion dollars or whatever in money for the RNC and for his campaign and all this stuff, so he has control, but he owes people now.
He's gotta deliver as Speaker of the House.
Now that he's removed, he cannot deliver on those promises, and those IOUs are now basically toilet paper.
I can't imagine what it must be like to sell your soul out to what is effectively the Mafia, and then only, what, like a month later, Be like, I am no longer in the position to pay you back.
I don't think the dudes who gave you that money will take that for an answer.
And so Kevin McCarthy's probably freaking out and sweating bullets and not too happy with the people who voted against him.
lauren chen
Yeah, but it's also it's just so corrupt.
I mean, it's this is exactly why we should have term limits, because you're exactly right.
That is how DC works.
But it shouldn't be.
And that's it's just so toxic.
ian crossland
I don't like the idea of, well, lately I thought about maybe evolving our House of Representatives into, like, the entire population so that we all have the opportunity to pass, to set up bills, write them.
Like direct democracy?
No, we still have the Senate, so, and the republics would still, they'd still be there, and if the power goes out, we would send them all to the Capitol.
So they'd still have their job, they would just be part of the population and, like, deciding bills and sending them to the Senate.
Because it's too easy to bribe those 450 people.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like that would be really hard to get things done.
lauren chen
As opposed to the efficiency of DC now.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, but at least some stuff does happen.
unidentified
But maybe that's exactly why we should do that because it would be really hard to get stuff done.
lauren chen
Maybe we want that.
hannah claire brimelow
It depends on what you want.
Like if you want to impeach Mayorkas, and we're not doing that anyways, perhaps that system's the same, right?
But if you want any funding for the border or anything that you do want pushed through Congress, Then having a convoluted system might be hard.
tim pool
I don't know.
Well, we've got a video from Kevin McCarthy who's responded.
And Citizen Free Press says, Kevin McCarthy sounds like a man who was caught red-handed hitting Tim Burchett.
I guess our shoulders hit.
I did not run and hit the guy.
I did not kidney punch him.
Reporter immediately grills McCarthy over his claims.
Here we go.
unidentified
A reporter was interviewing Birchett or something.
I guess our shoulders hit because Birchett runs up to me and I didn't know what he was talking about.
So the reporter asked me.
I did not run and hit the guy.
I did not kidney punch him.
I did not shoot anything like that.
hannah claire brimelow
You didn't shot him?
unidentified
No!
We're walking through.
You were at HC5, right?
You guys line up along the way there.
It was Bruce Wester and I walking out.
He must have been interviewing somebody.
I didn't know it was him or somebody.
I guess I almost did as I walked by.
I didn't punch anybody.
Did he interview you?
I guess it happened because when I was walking back further, somebody was interviewing me or talking to me and he comes running up like, Why did you hit me or something like that?
I said, I don't know what you're talking about.
I didn't even know something transpired.
But a reporter's a witness that said it looked like you, there was plenty of room for you to walk, and then you intentionally hit him.
Okay, not a place.
Show me a reporter who saw that.
tim pool
Yeah, Claudia Grisales.
unidentified
Okay, well ask Bruce Westerman.
No, I did not go up... He's in that guilty voice.
Right?
He's trying to like over-justify it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like a little pinch.
Too much talking.
Come on now.
tim pool
The bigger the story, the bigger the lie.
ian crossland
Yeah, he would have been like, no I didn't.
hannah claire brimelow
He kept walking if he didn't.
unidentified
I didn't threaten him, Kinzinger threatened him.
When have I pushed him?
Kinzinger said he was in the back railing once and you elbowed him and pushed him.
You said Gates.
tim pool
Kinzinger.
ian crossland
Whoa, whoa, can you rewind that? He thought that they said Matt Gates.
He's got Gates on the brain.
unidentified
Alright, let's play it.
He said he was in pain that you hit him so hard on the kidneys.
Come on now. That's what he said.
Oh, come on now!
That's what he said.
That's far from it.
Congressman Kinzinger wrote that you pushed him twice while he was in Congress in the chamber.
When have I pushed him?
You said Gates.
No, she didn't.
The girl behind him said Gates.
Congressman Gates, though, is submitting a complaint to the Ethics Committee over this issue.
ian crossland
Do you have anything to say to Congressman Gates?
unidentified
is filing or submitting a complaint to the ethics committee through this issue. Do you have any comments on that?
I think ethics is a good place for Gates to be.
So I mean, didn't Berchert said that you're the kind of guy that says words like throw a rock and then go hide
under his mom's skirt.
ian crossland
What's your response?
tim pool
This is Congress.
unidentified
Is there bad blood between you and Birchett?
Yes.
None at all after he voted to oust you?
No.
What would you just say about the issue of decorum in Congress?
I mean, there was a House oversight hearing where a member was called a smurf.
You have over in the Senate... When did that happen?
today and i think that's the only thing i can't possibly have senator malin
like about that by it i was great i think things are so sorry why i i i i think
that i think members of the while you have a really tell you a me in the kidneys
tim pool
got a ton of brain Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
And Burchett was at a DC Young Republicans event the night before and called Kevin McCarthy bitter.
I mean, they know what's happening.
This is all all of their staffers probably talked about all day.
ian crossland
When she asked him if he had bad blood with that dude, he looked away and looked back at her and said, no.
Like, that's a lying.
When you look up to the left, that means that's an indication that you're lying.
lauren chen
But I guess to play devil's advocate, apparently there were reporters around when this happened.
Why would he do it in front of a reporter?
hannah claire brimelow
Because he has no self-control?
tim pool
Yeah, he's having a mental breakdown.
Dude, before he was even voted in as Speaker, he was moving into the Speaker's office, and Matt Gaetz called him out for it.
This dude was having a temper tantrum the whole time.
I have to imagine that when Kevin McCarthy was facing that showdown in the first vote to put him in as Speaker, He was probably scared as hell that he was not going to get it.
And when he was like, I'm just going to move my stuff and I'm going to get it.
It's going to happen.
I'll do what I have to do to get it.
And he finally got it.
I bet the dude cried.
unidentified
I bet he went home and he was crying.
tim pool
And then sure enough, like what is it like a month or so later, like two months later, he's gone.
He's got to act as cool and collected as he can, but clearly the dude is unwound.
And he's walking down the hallway, and this dude voted to oust him.
It was eight Republicans that did it, and he elbows him in the back.
Our reporter watched it happen.
Dude is losing his mind.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I can't imagine the stress that this kind of public, you know, life brings to anyone, but it does seem a little weird that you would be like, there's that guy for the first time, I'll hit him.
On the other hand, like, maybe that is a sign that, you know, Congress is as unstable as it looks from the outside.
I mean, at least Mark Wayne Mullins, you know, formally challenged him to basically a duel, but with your hands, whereas this seems like a, like, cheap shot.
lauren chen
Yeah, like a petty sucker punch type of thing.
tim pool
Yeah, Mullins confronted the guy who called him out and said he wanted to fight.
Stands up, and I love when he goes for his wedding ring.
He's like, I'm gonna take that ring off.
unidentified
He left it on!
He left it on!
tim pool
Right, because Bernie was like, sit down!
You're a son-in-law!
ian crossland
Think of your wife!
This McCarthy guy had me on edge the entire time, and I kind of kept my mouth shut in the first few months that he was Speaker because I wanted the best for the House.
But he sounded like Trudeau the whole time.
His voice, and he talks like this.
unidentified
And he has the kind of voice and now his voice is going up and down when he's trying.
ian crossland
It's just so pandering.
And oh, like, where's the authority in his voice?
It's such like, I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't want to do any- Mine is just they go back to the question of decorum, right?
Do we need decorum?
This is a criticism that gets levied at Trump all the time, that he doesn't have decorum, that he doesn't act presidential.
But maybe people don't want that?
I mean, I think of the British Parliament, and they... I don't know that anyone challenged anyone to a fight on the floor of Parliament, but they yelled... Similar in Australia, too.
Exactly.
ian crossland
I think you need about as much decorum as Bernie Sanders.
Like, no, I didn't say that!
Like that kind of decorum, like willing to kind of like take off his tie or get his tie undone if he's getting hot, but like not throw cups at people and stuff like that.
hannah claire brimelow
Like he has a limit to the- There was some senator, I can't remember who it was, who threw a snowball at someone during a debate on global- Was that recently?
It was a long time ago because I think I was writing about it.
It might have been Tesser from Alaska.
I could be wrong on this.
I'll check in a second.
But they were having a debate on global warming.
And so he went out, scooped up snow, and then like threw it across the chamber at him.
There have been weird, funny moments.
And I guess, you know, we weren't allowed to throw snowballs at my school because they could have pebbles in them and you could hurt someone.
lauren chen
Yeah, same there.
But I mean there's a difference between decorum and vitriol and you could say like okay we're going downhill in terms of decorum because we should all be polite and things like that but in terms of just I mean we have been accusing each other congressmen have been accusing each other of things like racism and corruption for a long time like that's not new so I mean either way these people are they're going they're backstabbing each other they're trying to ruin each other's careers is it a big deal that they might I mean, now it might just be coming to the surface a little bit more.
I don't think so.
I mean, I think the lack of professionalism, lack of unity was already there.
It's just a little bit more apparent now.
hannah claire brimelow
The snowball was Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, which is where Mark Wayne Mullins is from.
So maybe those Oklahoma boys.
lauren chen
Yeah, they're pretty metal.
ian crossland
Trump, when he said, Rosie O'Donnell is a fat pig.
tim pool
He didn't say that.
ian crossland
Well, how did he say it?
tim pool
She said, Megyn Kelly asked about how you've insulted women referring to some as, you know, fat pigs or whatever.
And he says, only Rosie O'Donnell.
ian crossland
Okay, and then that means in the past he has called her a fat— or he's acknowledging that he did call her a fat pig in the past?
tim pool
I don't think he's— I don't think he was implying that he literally said the words fat pig, but that he was implying that he's insulted only Rosie O'Donnell or something like that.
That, I think, is— Unless he meant literally the only person he's called a fat pig was her.
ian crossland
When it goes too far is when you're in public office and you're using your time publicly to insult people, like, with mean— like, you dumb idiot, that thing, because then that just wastes time, wastes taxpayer money.
I don't want that in my office.
lauren chen
I agree, but personally, I don't think calling someone a fat cow is any worse than slandering someone as a white supremacist or a racist or whatever.
You know what I mean?
One might be construed as more street and fighting words, but personally, I would rather be called a fat cow than an anti-Semite that could actually ruin your career in this day and age.
And congressmen have been calling people that for a long time.
tim pool
And I gotta tell you, Ian, the more time they spend insulting each other is less time they spend on Giving our money away for BS government projects and war.
So, I would much prefer it, you know, we talked about this yesterday with war, that I would take the entire war budget and just give it to some random guy.
Because some random American dude can spend it infinitely better than we waste on all these wars like 20 years in Afghanistan.
But I would rather every single member of Congress engaged in narcissistic mudslinging on the floor
if it meant they weren't all in lockstep with funding war and foreign intervention.
ian crossland
That kind of backs up my suggestion that we disperse the House of Representatives. If
they're that useless and you'd rather just see them insulting each other,
they really don't have any place in this country. We the people can pass laws and bills into the
Senate. We don't need these 450 stopgap bribery vulnerabilities anymore.
tim pool
I disagree. I think...
I think the answer is not to abolish Congress.
It's to reform or amend.
Like, all these people need to get voted out.
We need better rules.
Clearly the system is busted.
ian crossland
Mike Gravel had the fourth branch of government he wanted to create called the National Initiative.
He's a senator from Alaska.
And then it would have created a fourth branch of government that's the people.
The people would represent local people to go and act as another form of like a representative of the people themselves instead of... That feels like it just makes the government bigger.
Yeah, and more bribery, you know, vulnerabilities.
tim pool
It's quite literally more members of Congress.
ian crossland
Either we do it ourselves and there's 330 million of us and you can't bribe us all.
tim pool
No, we need to repeal the 17th Amendment, and we need people to focus on their local politics more.
And stop acting like Kevin McCarthy can do anything for you.
The dude does not represent any of us in any way, okay?
He represents his district to the federal government.
He does not represent you as a person.
People think that our federal elected representatives are going to do anything for us at home, and I've long complained about this.
You see these congressional ads where they're like, I'm gonna clean up this town.
No, you're not!
You're going to Congress!
You're going to D.C.!
You're gonna go vote on war and other garbage.
If you wanna clean up your town, if you wanna fix your crime, you gotta vote for local reps.
And so a lot of- and your governors and your state senators and things like that.
You want to know why California's all messed up?
It's because they vote for these people locally.
It's not anything the federal government's doing.
ian crossland
Yeah, they can't- also, they can't read these 3,000 page bills.
But if we crowdsource it and we let the entire US population have at it, you better believe there's going to be at least 700 people that are going to go read those 3,000 pages.
tim pool
They do.
They do this.
ian crossland
Yeah, but then these are the people that we need, like, pushing the bills.
tim pool
No, no, these are- this was once called- The issue is that members of Congress should have to read the bills before they vote on them, but they don't do it.
What was your idea?
You mean make it a felony to vote on a bill that you have not read?
ian crossland
Yeah, you have to swear under oath that you've read the bill if you're going to vote on it.
unidentified
Agreed.
lauren chen
I would support that.
tim pool
Agreed.
lauren chen
I don't know what the argument against that would be.
tim pool
They're corrupt and they want to sell out their positions to lobbyists?
lauren chen
Right.
I mean, but the position that they could defend publicly for having that be the rule.
hannah claire brimelow
Like the spin?
I'm trying to think of what it would be.
I mean, I think what they would say, and I don't believe this, but the counterpoint would probably be, you know, it would be impossible for us to produce effective legislation that wasn't lengthy, and so actually you're making it impossible for us to get to, like, you know, they'd make, like, you're slowing us down argument, but maybe that's the point.
lauren chen
That's the point, yeah.
ian crossland
And that's why we want to get rid of omnibus bills.
It's like what Matt Gaetz is doing.
lauren chen
Yeah, like with spending bills.
You used to actually have to have different ones and that was a lot more efficient because you could actually know where the money was going, but they want the big bills so they can all slip their pork in there and lobbyists can be like, haha, like a little nut for me here, a little presents.
And then, I don't know if you guys follow Rand Paul, like every year he exposes how much money is spent on useless things like giving birds cocaine and studying that or whatever it is.
No, it's crazy and it's literally, I would say, criminal how much they steal from taxpayers on useless things.
ian crossland
He calls that the Festivus.
His Festivus recount or something like that.
tim pool
Festivus.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, ladies and gentlemen, I want to play this video for you of Nikki Haley and explain to you why it is that you must vote for Donald Trump and why it is this woman should never be allowed anywhere near the seats of power.
Reclaim the Net says, Nikki Haley says, if she's made president, every social media user will be verified by their name for national security purposes.
And we will play that video for you.
nikki haley
When I get into office, the first thing we have to do, social media accounts, social media companies, they have to show America their algorithms.
Let us see why they're pushing what they're pushing.
tim pool
Okay, that I like, but carry on.
nikki haley
The second thing is every person on social media should be verified by their name.
That's, first of all, it's a national security threat.
When you do that, All of a sudden, people have to stand by what they say.
And it gets rid of the Russian bots, the Iranian bots, and the Chinese bots.
And then you're going to get some civility when people know their name is next to what they say.
Accountability.
And they know their pastor and their family members are going to see it.
It's going to help our kids, and it's going to help our country.
tim pool
Okay, so the funny thing about that is she's completely wrong.
This country is built on anonymous pamphleting and writing and Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson and many others.
So what she's doing is she's taking things that Elon Musk has pointed out, which are good ideas, the option to be verified, and the choice to interact with those who are, and turning it into the government will force you to do it.
ian crossland
And then she immediately goes, first of all, she's like, everyone needs to have their name attached to their social security or to their social networking.
First of all, it's a national security threat.
Like, yeah, that would be a national security threat if you forced everyone to put their name on their social network.
But she inverted it.
She didn't mean it to sound like that.
tim pool
The reason she's calling it a national security threat that has anonymous accounts is because that is their hard, you-can't-stop-us, we-don't-need-to-vote justification.
We are going to send a national security letter to X and force them to do it, to Facebook, etc, etc.
They're going to make you do it.
ian crossland
The purpose of Mines, one of the main tenets of Mines is that anonymous social networking is a human right, in my opinion.
I don't know if Bill's actually come out and literally said that.
Social media company founded in 2011 with Bill Altman.
You have to be able to.
I didn't think about it so deeply before, but it's exactly like you said, man.
Silence Duguid was Benjamin Franklin's first pen name.
He couldn't get published in his brother's paper when he was like 14, so he made some fake middle-aged lady, and then he started getting published.
And of course, Poor Richard's Almanac, he was a guy named Poor Richard, and he would seed like revolutionary content into the populace, because he always, his whole life, he probably wanted to revolt against the king.
But he wasn't able, if he said it out loud, they would have cut his head off.
So he had to use a pen name.
And if the same thing in modern day, if it becomes tyrannical, you have no choice.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, especially when there are people who feel like their anonymity allows them to operate in society because their views are not permitted.
I mean, to confront, you'd have to start really unpacking what hate speech is in America if you really want to take away anonymous speech online and where the boundaries of free speech are.
And that's what I think, you know, I'm not totally against her justification of, like, if you had to put your name by everything you said, maybe you would operate differently.
Maybe that's good.
But there are people who write, you know, under pen names because they fear that they'll be targeted by a progressive attorney general who might go after their job or whatever else because they believe something that's not popular.
It starts to be this thing where, like, I just wonder what box we're opening.
And I'm not against the idea of accountability online, but at what cost and what are we protecting?
lauren chen
It's kind of ironic because Nikki Haley rails against China, just one of the many countries she probably wants to go to war with.
But at the same time, I mean, this is the exact same type of police state that China is rightfully criticized for.
So this is something that she wants to introduce.
I mean, it's like she is on the wrong side of basically every single issue, which is almost impressive.
Impressive batting average for just like the George Bush Republicans who basically killed the party for an entire generation.
tim pool
We should just make it so that in order to pass a bill, the person who is proposing it has to enter legislation by combat.
ian crossland
You have to literally force the bill through.
hannah claire brimelow
Mark Wayne Mullins is getting all this stuff through.
tim pool
You've got to carry the bill passed through the gauntlet of Congress.
A bunch of gladiators, yeah.
The congressmen, they'll have paddles and they whack you on the butt.
lauren chen
That would unironically enter a new golden age for America.
Have you guys seen all those studies where they look at how high testosterone and gym attendance correlates with right-wing views?
hannah claire brimelow
We studied this.
lauren chen
Yeah, it's amazing.
ian crossland
Within 24 hours, you'll feel the right wing seeping into you.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
Ian lifted the barbell one time and then dropped it and then started priming.
ian crossland
I just, I become happy with myself when I'm physically healthy.
And that's part of like, maybe I'd want to conserve my life and my surroundings because I appreciate them more when I'm physically able.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's true.
I think it does give you, it gives you a sense of value and purpose, which changes your, how you approach the world, which is very interesting.
lauren chen
That would also get rid of all the oxygenarians that we have in Congress as well.
hannah claire brimelow
They couldn't keep up.
ian crossland
They're not the age categories.
It's like 72 to 78.
They all fight.
hannah claire brimelow
They all fight Mullins.
unidentified
So funny.
hannah claire brimelow
The other thing that stood out to me is that she said, this is the first thing I do in office.
And I guess my question to you guys would be, what would you want whoever gets elected to do?
What should be the first thing they do when they get to office?
tim pool
Firing people?
ian crossland
That's a great question.
Something secretive that is big and changes a lot of stuff.
But what she said about making all these social networks free their code, I don't agree with anymore.
I think we start with TikTok because it's a foreign company and proof of concept that they want to operate on U.S.
shore.
They have to free their software code, their algorithms.
And then if that turns out that it's really great for society, then we can use that as a castus belly to cause Meta to open up their code.
tim pool
Yeah, let me tell you.
So we have social media people who work here at Timcast, and we have the semi-unwritten rules of various social media platforms when posting, and TikTok is the most insanely restrictive.
Absolutely insane.
So YouTube, surprisingly, the least.
Well, I should pause.
Rumble is the least.
Axe and Rumble are like, you know, basically anything goes.
Just, you're good to go.
And we love that.
YouTube is actually one of the least restrictive, though they are fairly restrictive.
lauren chen
Yeah, and it's it's crazy because I, I mean, I've got the Blaze's YouTube channel suspended for an entire week because I'm, I'm not gonna say what I said about the Elliot page.
I'll actually use the the name.
So I don't want to get your page suspended either.
But um, yeah, that happened on YouTube.
But it was for something that, I mean, I feel like YouTube's more Selective.
Yeah.
Than something like Facebook, which, yeah.
tim pool
YouTube actually does, in some circumstances, look at context, Facebook absolutely does not.
And I'm not trying to defend YouTube, I think YouTube censorship is a problem.
But Facebook is insanely bad!
And TikTok is substantially worse.
ian crossland
It feels like Facebook relies a lot more on AI than Alphabet.
tim pool
And there's no legitimate appeals process.
It takes forever.
Whereas with YouTube, we actually have reps we can contact.
At a certain level on YouTube, there's people who will work with you.
Facebook doesn't care.
hannah claire brimelow
They don't want you to appeal because they've made a decision.
tim pool
And it's crazy.
My page on Facebook got demonetized once for lies.
An organization claimed that one of my videos was fake news, and so it triggered a hard demonetization, and my video that I put up was 100% factually correct.
I reached out to the organization and I said, my video is correct, and they said, no it's not, here's your headline.
And I said, the headline's a question, and the first sentence of the video is rejecting the claims made by people who are asserting this, and they were like, Oh, we didn't actually watch it.
So a third party flagged me to Facebook and got my money turned off.
That's insane.
That's what Facebook does.
It's not even about their internal teams.
It's about them letting leftist progressive activists and government agents.
And I gotta wonder, with this election integrity partnership stuff going on, I'm wondering if, you know, maybe we should reach out to members of Congress who are working on this and the people we know who are working on it and ask them about what Facebook is doing with the Poynter Institute and the power they give to third parties to remove content they don't like.
lauren chen
But see, that's why the left always wins and they're going to keep winning.
I work with a ton of right-wing conservative non-profits.
I mean, people like TPUSA.
We would never think, hang on, there's this huge company that has control of information.
I should petition them so that I'm in charge of what people are allowed to post.
That would never enter into 99% of conservatives' minds.
The left not only think this, but they actually put it into action and they insert themselves into roles of power very effectively.
tim pool
Unless the subject is Israel.
unidentified
Yes, and then all of a sudden it's like everybody is just like, there's... Then it's like the mega-Karens.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
Then it's just, I don't know what's going on.
ian crossland
That's the fascist bent in people when they're like, we gotta use the private companies to control society.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
And they'll use it through legislation or through funding through legislation.
I don't like when that happens.
I kind of want to answer your question about what I would do if I became president.
I don't have an answer.
Do you guys?
What would you do?
lauren chen
Well, I like this tweet that Vivek put out the other day.
I don't know if he said it would be day one, but I think it should be day one.
Immediately fire half of the DC bureaucrats or the civil servants.
tim pool
Just, you know, transfer them.
lauren chen
I'm good with firing them.
I think, like, if automatically there's half of that, I mean, obviously we could talk about, like, the economic, I guess, implications of that many people being out of a job, but if it's, like, if the federal government is so huge where we actually need to talk about the economic consequences of that many civil servants losing their jobs, then that's a problem in and of itself.
tim pool
He was saying layoffs because that bypasses the restrictions.
You can lay them off for budgetary reasons.
Right.
Yes, absolutely.
And I would hope that Vivek To the extent it is legally, humanly, and economically possible, maximizes those layoffs.
You know what it is?
So we were talking last night about schools, and I was saying, like, abolish the DOE and get rid of this broken system.
We had Aaron Maté on, and he was arguing that, I'm an exception to the rule, I'm successful, not everyone can do that.
And my argument is, if you don't think, or if you think that there is no way to replicate my success in other people, then what's the point of school?
If school can't create a path toward success for people, then what's the point of doing it?
His attitude was basically, there's a lot of good teachers who are in these schools, and this is my point.
The government funds a project, hires a bunch of people, and then says, okay, this doesn't work, but we can't stop it now because we're addicted to it.
We are economically addicted to this industry.
If we stop funding schools, we're gonna have hundreds of thousands of people out of work.
We can't have it, the economy would collapse.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, because we didn't allow for any competition.
I mean, there are private schools, there are homeschools, things like that, but obviously, predominantly, most people's money are tied up in their taxes, which then go to their public schools, so they rely on them.
I mean, education in America is ultimately a failing business, so it should close.
tim pool
And what, yes.
hannah claire brimelow
falsely kept alive.
tim pool
And what Ron Paul said, and it was funny because when we had Ron on the show, I mentioned this
to him and he was like, did I say that?
He said of the war in, I think it was Afghanistan, they're saying we can't just withdraw because
it will cause a bunch of problems.
But as a doctor, I know if you prescribe the wrong medication, and it is causing problems, you stop the medication.
There's no excuse for saying we have to just keep doing it.
We are addicted to these government programs, and the fear is, oh, but if we terminate, we're gonna lose all these jobs.
Don't know, don't care.
ian crossland
That was it.
lauren chen
And especially with education, we can see the outcomes, right?
Test scores are going down.
I mean, some of the places that have the highest per-student funding have the worst results.
And I'm someone who's very pro-homeschooling, and the response is always like, oh, your kids aren't going to be able to read.
You're not qualified.
It's like, I mean, we see what the actual results are from kids who are in public schools, public schools that are failing them.
It's really hard for it to be worse.
hannah claire brimelow
Actual Justice Warrior Sean, he did a video where I think places in Baltimore, like there's a lot of schools where literally zero percent, like, Well, Oregon just did away with their graduation requirements, and they're saying there are learning losses because of COVID, but also that means your system is pretty weak that three years could— I mean, students really suffered during COVID for a lot of reasons, but it also means that, like, there was absolutely no effectiveness in online schooling or anything else.
The teachers that were tasked with having to educate kids remotely couldn't do it.
This means that our system is not adaptable.
This is not proof that you guys are successful.
And I think to Tim's medicine metaphor, you know— Ron Paul's.
Ron Paul.
You know, if they're saying this is the thing you take to fix it, you go to public school, the thing is, doctors will then say, oh, you're having side effects from the medication I gave you.
Instead of stopping it, they'll say, take five others.
Take this other one.
Take this other one.
Which is why, you know, we get universal preschool and we get all these other programs that the government is saying, we're not effective, but we're going to continue to fund ourselves until we figure out a way to keep this failing system up.
That's a disservice to students and their parents.
I mean, this is why I love school choice.
If you gave them the opportunity to spend their monies in a way that better suited their children's needs, because there's no way bureaucrats in Washington know children better than their own parents, they would probably be more effective.
lauren chen
Well, that's the problem, though.
The Department of Education and the public school system, it exists to benefit teachers, to benefit administrators.
It's not actually to the benefit of the students and definitely not the benefit of the parents.
ian crossland
I think one of the things you said, Hannah-Claire, exactly, that is pretty profound is that the problem with the school, the education system, the Department of Education, is that they have a monopoly.
There's no real viable option if it does shut down.
There's not another system where people can just go get jobs there and bring their kids over there, and there should be.
Because the monopoly, government monopolies, are just as dangerous as private sector monopolies.
tim pool
This is what I saw in Venezuela.
When you went to go buy a cell phone, there were like six to eight stations.
I go to T-Mobile in the United States, I walk in, there's a guy, and he's like, how can I help you?
I said, I want a phone.
He's like, okay, he gets his tablet out, and he's like, which phone do you want?
He starts typing it all in, here's your number, and okay, it's gonna cost this, so I swipe the card, and it's kind of annoying, and then you're done.
In Venezuela, they had to create fake jobs for the sake of propping up their fake economy, which didn't work, obviously.
So, they're mandated to have a person who gets the phone, a person who asks you what kind of phone you want, a person who deals with your phone plan, a person who takes the money, a person who writes down the bill.
Like, you walk in, you say, they say, how can I help you?
I would like to buy a new phone.
Okay, let me fill out this form for you, here you go, and go wait in that line.
Then you go wait in another one, there's another person there.
And which phone would you like to buy?
Okay, fill out this form, and then go wait over here.
Then a guy takes the form from you.
Then he says, okay, now go wait over there.
It's insane.
That's what we're doing right now in this country.
And I think you made a good point.
I think you brought this up.
That the government created a monopoly on schools by mass funding it.
This is what happens when the government guarantees the income.
It's almost impossible to compete.
But then, you'll see things like FedEx, UPS, and the Postal Service.
Clearly, people don't like using the Postal Service.
For whatever reason.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And you get private schools, you get homeschools, you get co-ops.
People do have innovation, especially when they see that the system is broken.
But it makes me wonder, you know, you'll have student teachers who are promised if you work in a public school for X number of years, we'll pay off your student loan debt, which we have also given you because we're the government and we're trying to help you.
And I would wonder if it would be more interesting to see those people go off and start, you know, Montessori schools in more places or explore, you know, different opportunities with the degree that they have.
I think good teachers are really valuable.
It's not to shame all of them, but the government just wants you to stay in its broken system and it's willing to take you down with it if you're a teacher.
lauren chen
And I think you're right.
A good teacher, a competent teacher, is going to flourish even without the public school and the teachers' union safety net.
And we see that with charter schools and private schools.
And there are even, I guess, industrious teachers who are creating their own homeschool curriculums that could be applied to different homeschool pods.
There's a desperate need for teachers who are competent, but I don't think we do those teachers any service by subsidizing the incompetent ones.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and the government doesn't reward teachers' entrepreneurship.
It just beats them back into submission as much as it can until they eventually establish something.
Not good.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story.
It's a tweet from the account EndWokeness.
EndWokeness tweets, Target outdid itself this year for Christmas.
And the first image I've seen before, it is what I would describe as gay nutcrackers.
Okay, I'm not, that is not meant to be derisive.
That is quite literally what it is.
It is a nutcracker, which many are familiar with, but it's, uh, blue, holding a pride flag with a rainbow hat, and then there's a very happy, I guess, yeti, and unicorn.
And then!
There's this image.
Which depicts...
A series of white and black Santa Clauses in wheelchairs holding presents.
Now, okay, when I saw this, I thought, this is fake, okay?
It was like, I think Shoe-On-Head made a video ten years ago!
A joke about how diversity is going to result in a trans, non-binary, you know, person of color in a wheelchair.
Like, that was a joke she made, and now I'm seeing this image, and so I said, I don't know about this, and so I googled it.
Ladies and gentlemen, you can order your Santa in a wheelchair holding gift fabric and they have the options of in black or white.
hannah claire brimelow
And now look, and it's already on sale.
unidentified
How much is it?
I can't see it.
tim pool
$2 with like $7 shipping or something.
I almost want to buy a whole bunch of them, but I also kind of don't.
ian crossland
Just give them away to people for Christmas.
hannah claire brimelow
Or company Christmas presents.
tim pool
No, because I don't want to support it, but look, if I was going to buy it, it would be like a novelty gag gift, making fun of wokeness.
They're selling them legitimately, and it's kind of, it's, look, If you are a otherly abled person of color, and you would like to purchase the Santa Claus, then I'm glad the option exists for you.
I have no problem with the free market providing.
If there are people who have this lived experience, and they would like to be represented on a Christmas tree, then the market shall provide.
But Target as a massive, I believe they're multinational, but a massive national corporation.
I know Australia's got a fake version that they stole from us.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Who are they really selling to?
The answer is very obvious.
White, liberal women.
That's who wants to buy this.
hannah claire brimelow
Who want to show their children, look, anyone can be anything at any time.
ian crossland
It's what they call impact.
It's like impact investment, but this is like the refuse tunnel of the impact investment.
It's impact sales.
They're putting it out in the open for people to see what they want them to think about.
And they don't even care if these things don't sell, probably.
tim pool
This is so wrong.
I'm sorry.
This is so wrong.
People are saying it's black paraplegic Santa.
And I'm like, this is insulting to people, okay?
They have turned them into a joke.
hannah claire brimelow
And I thought the best question of the night was Lauren, who asked, how's he going to get his wheelchair down the chimney?
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
It doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
I thought I thought somebody was making fun of Target, making fun of openness.
ian crossland
And then I was like, it's real.
We need to put those those ramps.
But for Christmas, everyone needs to get a ramp on their front door.
Otherwise, you're discriminating.
It's a fake thing.
That's a fake version of a guy.
tim pool
No, you need a ramp up to your roof.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
It's your chimney.
lauren chen
But I mean the question is like who specifically is the, I mean aside from like white liberal women, but it's like a very specific group of people who celebrate Christmas but also really want to indulge in the wokeness, which I feel like is huge.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, are we sort of expecting a lot of You know, paraplegic people to suddenly appear on earth?
Like, why do we need so many of them?
This could have been one Etsy business that did really well, but instead Target is like, everyone knows someone in a wheelchair, which feels more, like, disturbing to me.
lauren chen
But that's the thing, like, with all this woke stuff, whether it's pandering to women or to black people in wheelchairs who aspire to be Santa, it's not actually about the group they're representing.
It's about the activists who see it as a virtue signal.
serge du preez
Yeah, I remember as a kid being told that I could be Santa, but it's just a weird thing.
Like, oh, he has to be just like me, has to be in a wheelchair, too.
It's like, well, he'd be better flying around the world if he didn't have a wheelchair.
ian crossland
It's about that time of year, should we have the Santa debate?
lauren chen
The Santa debate?
unidentified
Should Santa retire because he's in a wheelchair now?
tim pool
No, no, no, listen, listen.
Okay, Ian, I know where you're going with this.
Do we tell kids if Santa's real?
ian crossland
That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool
Every year.
And I think there's a bigger question now on top of this.
I don't know that we can answer that question until we answer the question of how do you explain to children that there is black, paraplegic Santa and white, cis-heteronormative Santa.
lauren chen
No, I'm not telling my kids the only Santa is black and in a wheelchair.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I'm going to take the FDR approach.
We're going to hide the wheelchair.
We're going to just like cover it up constantly.
tim pool
The scandal was that Santa was always in a wheelchair.
ian crossland
They're regrowing spines in Rice University.
hannah claire brimelow
Why do you think he sits when you take photos with people?
tim pool
No, hold on.
I'll hold on there.
Where's black Santa with a cochlear implant?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Good point.
hannah claire brimelow
He could be wearing him.
He's got thick hair.
We don't know.
We can't say.
tim pool
Perhaps.
Where's Trans Santa?
hannah claire brimelow
He's coming soon.
And that's the horror.
That's the horror of the season now, which is like, what are they going to do to poor Santa who can't defend himself?
tim pool
Okay, so the Marvels just came out, right?
And it bombed.
It's the worst MCU opening in the Marvel franchise history.
And it's because people just don't care for these woke Bad storylines where they just ham fist in politics.
And when people started complaining back in the day about how they like made Anne Boleyn, Anne Boleyn's played like a black woman.
And people are like, yo, I don't care about black actors getting lead roles.
I care that you're taking historical figures and characters and changing their race like the Little Mermaid.
South Park made a really great point about this.
In the latest show they did, the Panderverse, the special, where PC Principal is yelling at the kids saying, you just don't like black people.
And they're like, no!
We don't like that you take an existing character and turn it into a black woman.
They were like, Miles Morales is awesome.
He's his own character and has like an alternate history storyline they gave him, which we understand.
Like, people, like, there's a lot of superheroes that have the same superpowers as other superheroes.
This is gone one step beyond and they're now taking religious and traditional figures and now race swapping them.
Look, I know we've seen this because 10 years ago there was an argument on Tumblr whether or not Beethoven was black.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
ian crossland
Is he?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Is he?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
serge du preez
Of course not.
tim pool
This is what they tried doing.
They tried claiming that Samus Aran, the game character, was trans.
So for those that aren't familiar, Samus Aran is the star of the video game Metroid, the Metroid series.
And at the end of the NES game, if you like beat it in the right way or whatever for the credits, it shows the character take the helmet off and it's like super, it's like 8-bit or whatever, but there's long blonde hair like, aha!
You played a woman this whole time!
And it was like, aha!
ian crossland
And if you type in Justin Bailey as your password, you can play as the woman.
tim pool
Oh, Zero Suit Samus?
ian crossland
You get the wave gun automatically, you start with it.
tim pool
In the first one, NES?
ian crossland
In Metroid, in the first Metroid.
Justin Bailey.
tim pool
NES?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Wow.
That's cool.
tim pool
And so what happens then is a bunch of trans activists are arguing, well, Samus Aran is six foot three and, you know, like a hundred and eighty pounds, therefore that proves Samus was actually trans.
And they tried doing these things.
All they're trying to do is rewrite cultural history and take it over.
That's part of what is happening right now with Target making Black Paraplegic Santa.
lauren chen
Sorry, go ahead.
hannah claire brimelow
No, you go first.
lauren chen
Well, I was going to say, this is a tangent at this point, but to Ian's question about the whole Santa debate, I'm actually very anti-Santa, because Santa is not a... I mean, Saint Nicholas is a religious figure, but Santa, the modern iteration of Santa, is basically just a way to shove consumerism down our throats by people who are not Christians, who are secularists, and who only want to make money.
Do you think the people who had designed that Santa are Christians who celebrate Christmas?
unidentified
Nope.
lauren chen
Do you think all the people also vary against Santa movies?
Have you noticed that nowadays a Christmas movie, it's all about Santa and gifts and a secular message.
It's a way to undermine the Christian.
hannah claire brimelow
On the Hallmark Channel, it's about everyone ending up together, getting married.
ian crossland
It undermined the family unit for me because it made me distrust my parents.
Not only did they lie to me for 10 years.
And then I found out, I was like, what else are they lying to me about? It was terrible.
They would, I didn't appreciate them every year around Christmas when they would be the ones that
would bring me the gifts. It should have been a bonding experience for the family. And that's
this Soviet communist consumer crap, splitting up the nuclear family yet again with now your
unidentified
parent can't be the hero this year. I think there are really interesting
hannah claire brimelow
ways to talk about Santa because I like the folklore aspect of it.
I think it's fun to have imaginative opportunities for kids.
I wouldn't necessarily introduce this to your kids, but David Sedaris is the short story author who has a really funny essay about at dinner parties he'll ask people as an icebreaker, and what does your country tell you about Santa?
And it changes, and if you haven't heard it you should definitely look it up.
It's really funny.
I think it is interesting that I grew up with the Rupert books, which are like a British children's series, and Santa lives on a cloud, and in America we learn he lives in the North Pole.
Like, there are ways to talk about this in an interesting way.
It's just sad that America's Santa now is like, you know...
Disabled.
I care less about the skin color so much as, like, what is he doing?
How is he getting in his sled?
Do we have ADA accommodations at the North Pole?
You know what I mean?
Like, it introduces a level of bureaucracy to this, like, kind of mystical story that other, like, lots of cultures tell.
And it makes us seem lame, I will say.
ian crossland
The best is the Tibetan myth of Santa Claus, where they would, every winter, their yurts would get covered up to the chimney, and they'd have to climb out the chimney and go to the pine trees, and they'd find these mushrooms growing, these white and red Amanita muscaria, and the reindeer would be eating them, and they'd go and they'd collect the mushrooms, they'd come back, they'd climb down the chimney and then hang the mushrooms up in socks above the fire to dry overnight, and then the next morning they'd boil them and make tea with them.
hannah claire brimelow
Every culture has, like, various versions of this.
ian crossland
Yeah, check out the myth of psychedelic Santa.
It's crazy.
It's all the color is the same.
It's the red and white myth.
Sorry to interrupt.
lauren chen
From what I understand, the Orthodox Church, they have, like, the Feast of St.
Nicholas that they actually take pretty seriously.
So when I say I'm anti-Santa, I'm not anti-that, but I don't support... Lauren Chen personally hates Santa.
Yeah, I don't support modern, consumerist, especially black wheelchair Santa.
unidentified
Who is St.
ian crossland
Nicholas?
What do you do?
lauren chen
You know what?
That is a good- I can't answer that.
hannah claire brimelow
You can't?
unidentified
What is- St.
serge du preez
Nicholas was a- I don't know exactly where it was.
Somewhere in Eastern Europe is what they think.
Somewhere like Turkey.
People have said like the actual story it comes from.
You're right about the Emanita Muscaria stuff.
I've heard about that as well.
Regarding like the- the color.
Like the red and white and everything like that.
But apparently like it had to do with like he was a dude that went around and helped some girl get a dowry to get married.
I think initially.
hannah claire brimelow
And then I became- Santa supports marriage!
He's so trash!
This is the best thing I've ever heard!
tim pool
I ship this Santa.
I'm wondering what the lore is as to how Santa became paraplegic.
I don't know.
lauren chen
Fell down a chimney?
hannah claire brimelow
Rudolph's nose didn't go off and he got bucked out of the sled.
tim pool
That's why I say this is insulting to people.
The implication is that Santa had some kind of terrible accident.
Or he's faking it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's rough.
Or he's just getting older.
ian crossland
To get tips at the mall.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe, maybe.
I was gonna go with he's getting older, you know, he's got some some arthritis in his knees from climbing up and down the chimney, so maybe it's time to retire Santa and then they'll introduce Mrs. Claus or just call her Santette or something.
It'll be awful, they'll wreck this.
tim pool
I'm gonna go with Santa did a 720 on the mega ramp and then when he was going up for a varial 540 he clipped the coping and flipped forward shattering his ankles and so it's not a permanent thing and he's not a paraplegic it's just that he's got serious leg damage because he was in the X Games last year.
ian crossland
He's in Mexico right now.
hannah claire brimelow
This year he needs a wheelchair.
That makes it sound tougher.
I like that version of American Santa better.
lauren chen
How about Santa got shot down flying over Eastern Europe?
ian crossland
I thought you were going to say Santa did 9-11.
unidentified
Are you going to blame Putin for Santa's wheelchair injury?
hannah claire brimelow
That's rude.
lauren chen
I mean, you could like merge all of the current things, right?
Black trans Santa is only disabled because of Putin's Ukraine warfare.
tim pool
Actually, Vladimir Putin ordered Santa be shot down.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And that's why we have to send money to Ukraine.
lauren chen
Could be a rally around the flag.
hannah claire brimelow
That finally makes sense to me.
tim pool
This is what we thought at first, but new intelligence suggests it was Hamas that actually killed Christmas.
So now we've got to provide funding for Israel.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you guys grow up with that Christmas movie, Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer?
It's like, you guys need to watch it immediately.
I can't wait for the Christmas season.
tim pool
Yeah, like Santa killed the lady, right?
lauren chen
What?
tim pool
Well, Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer.
hannah claire brimelow
She's like in a hospital being taken care of by elves.
Don't spoil it for people.
You guys get to watch it.
tim pool
Santa killed a guy.
hannah claire brimelow
This Christmas season, you should check it out.
But it'll be like that, except it'll be like who shot Santa Claus, you know?
tim pool
You never heard the songs Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer?
ian crossland
I've heard that song before.
tim pool
And then they made a movie, I guess.
I don't know which came first.
hannah claire brimelow
I only knew the movie first.
ian crossland
The song is by Elmo and Patsy from 1979.
tim pool
Yeah, the gag is that you can say there's no such thing as Santa, but as for me and Grandpa, we believe.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Grandma got run over by a reindeer walking home from my house Christmas Eve.
It's a classic Christmas tale.
tim pool
Yeah, I thought everybody knew that one.
ian crossland
You know, to put a little Christmas cheer into this conversation, they figured out at Rice University how to weave nanothreads, carbon nanothreads, through broken, severed spine.
And then the spine finds itself and regrows back together.
And they've got mice with completely severed spines that are able to walk again.
lauren chen
So what you're saying is Santa may walk again.
hannah claire brimelow
Tim, would you rather have a Target insemination kit or a Target paraplegic black Santa for Christmas?
I'm just wondering.
tim pool
I would love to just... Here's the problem.
I would love to buy...
A thousand of the Black Paraplegic Santas to give as gifts, but to make fun of Target and Wokeness.
And the problem is I don't want to give money to people who are serious.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, if it was like the end Wokeness account announced they were selling these things as jokes, I'd buy a bunch of them and give them out to people.
But the fact that Target is legitimately selling these things makes me be like, well, I don't want to give them money now.
hannah claire brimelow
What if you bought it on Etsy?
You pick up some of Lauren's soap and then some Paraplegic Santas.
Hold on.
tim pool
I figured it out.
Target's trying to play both sides.
They know that people who think it's hilarious will buy it to make fun of them and they're gonna make money either way.
lauren chen
People who genuinely support it will also buy it.
hannah claire brimelow
Target is ultimately on its own side with capitalism.
tim pool
Yeah!
The market shall provide.
There is a market for us to buy Black Paraplegic Santa because it's a mockery of woke ideology and we think it's funny.
hannah claire brimelow
I would just really like to see photos from, you know, like probably December 24th, maybe, you know, into January of people and their clearance section at Target and see how much these are selling for then.
lauren chen
Is it Costco or Lowe's where they actually have the black blow-up Santas?
unidentified
No.
How big?
lauren chen
They're like the big ones that you put on the front yard.
unidentified
Oh wow.
lauren chen
I saw, I forget where we were last year, but I saw those and I was like, all right.
tim pool
I like the pictures of Japanese Jesus.
ian crossland
Are they the ones with the arms?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
The wacky waving inflatable unflailing tube man?
Yeah.
Wack Jesus you like?
No, no.
hannah claire brimelow
They do have a dancing 58-inch African-American dancing Santa at Lowe's.
tim pool
Dancing Santa?
lauren chen
I bet the dancing is good.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh man, he's $200.
tim pool
I will, I will buy both.
hannah claire brimelow
He's animatronic, not inflatable.
But maybe that's... But maybe they have more!
Maybe they got all kinds of stuff.
tim pool
Okay, well, ladies and gentlemen, it's not yet Christmas.
Thanksgiving is, uh, in a week?
unidentified
We're excited for this.
ian crossland
It sure is.
tim pool
And, uh, I do have a Christmas present for all of you.
This is from the Postmillennial.
Republican wins Loudoun County Commonwealth Attorney race against Soros-funded incumbent after infamous gender-neutral school bathroom rape scandal.
Now that headline is a mouthful!
Holy crap!
Loudoun County is across the street from us.
Technically, it's the river.
Yeah, it's across the river from us.
I say across street, but you know like he's down the street You know it's down, but I mean technically yeah, it's right over the hill so it's right there But so we know we actually know a lot of people who are involved with what's going on And it's a very mixed left and right County, but seeing this is actually tremendous.
It's not the first time we've seen Soros DA's get Get you know basically fired And, uh, it's just, it's all around good news.
I think we look at stuff like this, we take a look at the Marvels failing, we take a look at Bud Light failing, we take a look at all these things.
Y'all, we are winning.
The Marvels collapse?
Hilarious.
I love that this movie failed.
We are winning the culture war.
People are waking up to this.
I had the honor and privilege of meeting the mother of one of the students at the Loudoun County High School that was protesting males in the girls' bathroom.
And so we had a good conversation about it, and I was excited to meet this person.
Her family has been pushing back and speaking up, and I'm like, this is exactly what we need.
Now we can see Loudoun County maybe paving the way for pushing this stuff out.
What's happening is you've got these urban woke people from D.C.
Moving westward into the more rural areas and trying to bring their chaos with them.
But the people are starting to resist and push it all back.
So as we see all these crazy videos, look at this.
We got a bunch of these stories.
Here's one.
A group of brazen thieves loot Amazon delivery truck as helpless delivery driver looks on.
You've all seen this.
They're just ransacking it.
I don't know where this is.
What the location is.
I don't know if they say.
But the point is we have a bunch of examples of this.
Here's one.
Firefighters attacked by mob after responding to deadly car crash.
Crime is out of control.
And I don't know if it's that, you know, a lot of people play these stats games, so they're like, crime's actually on the way down.
But that doesn't take into consideration what type of crime they're referring to, and could it be that the reason crime is down is because people are too scared to go outside?
ian crossland
Or because they made it legal, like in San Francisco, where you can rob 800 bucks and it's not charged.
tim pool
That's exactly it.
So in San Francisco, where they're like, we're actually seeing crime on the decline.
lauren chen
Or people just stop reporting it because they know it's not going to be taken seriously.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think ultimately there is... I like these stories about people winning and doing something because it's so discouraging.
When you're in San Francisco and your target has nothing out because people keep shoplifting, I think it's one of the doors that opens up, well, why don't I just take something?
You know what I mean?
And we like to see the representation of a community saying, no, these are our values and you assimilate to them or you don't come here.
ian crossland
That was part of, one of the things I like about Ron DeSantis is he stood up and was like, if there are looters, they will be shot.
You will be, do not loot.
They will issue shooting on command to anyone trying to loot.
And it was like right away after a disaster, what was it?
A flood or something?
A hurricane, I think?
tim pool
Hurricane.
ian crossland
And no looting.
tim pool
This is the most important aspect of this.
Biberaj is notorious in Loudoun County, that's the attorney, for having her office stick convictions for disorderly conduct on Scott Smith, the dad who was arrested for confronting a school board in a June 2021 meeting after his daughter was raped in a high school in a female restroom by a biological male in a skirt.
So let me just say, this guy, his daughter is raped and he shows up to school and he's furious.
They end up arresting him and this lady has him criminally charged and now she is fired.
Feeling good.
ian crossland
I would like to interview the new, who is it?
It's a lawyer, the attorney, Commonwealth attorney?
tim pool
Yeah, Bob Anderson.
ian crossland
Cool.
How long's Bob?
tim pool
Mr. Anderson.
ian crossland
How long is Bob's current term?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Well, that's a good move, Bob.
What are you going to do different?
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think this is the kind of thing though that, and this is a little cynical of me, where people will get excited about this one race and then they'll forget that they have to go out and be active and do it in their communities?
lauren chen
And they get complacent.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, the point is, when, you know, there's two factions on a field, when one side starts breaking and faltering, you don't say, okay, pack it in, guys.
You say, charge.
And now it is time to, as the woke lunatics retreat from the hilltop of culture, abandoning movie franchises, abandoning the stories that we know and love, we storm in and plant our flag and replace what they have tried to destroy.
ian crossland
This is a legitimate route, cultural route.
Sometimes, when the enemy breaks, you want to let them flee because you don't want to run into a potential trap, but this is not a potential trap.
This is legitimate sea change.
tim pool
Right, because Ian's seen The Patriot with Mel Gibson.
unidentified
Good movie.
tim pool
At the end of the fight, when Cornwallis is like, is that militia making their center?
And then they're like, they start running away, and then once they go over the hill, that's the Continental Army waiting to trap them, and then unloads on the British.
ian crossland
Hannibal did it to the Romans.
They call it the hammer and anvil tactic, where you feign a retreat, and then they charge it, and that's your anvil, and then you come around and flank them from behind as your hammer.
lauren chen
Well, I think this is, if nothing else, proof that focusing on the cultural issues, they actually can change policy, and they actually have political consequences.
Because I don't know about you folks, but I often see, especially establishment conservatives, Republicans, saying, this doesn't matter.
Like, this is just too divisive.
We don't want to get stuck in the weeds with this.
Well, actually, these are winning issues.
We see that.
Like, parents, go figure, don't want their kids to have to worry about sexual assault in the locker room.
They actually care about that.
hannah claire brimelow
Can you imagine?
lauren chen
Yeah, that'll get people out to the polls.
And especially like we see how motivated especially suburban moms are when it comes to the issue of like what's happening in schools.
So I think if next year if Republicans are worried about the suburban mom vote, we actually need to keep hitting this issue.
We need to go harder on it and not back away.
hannah claire brimelow
I actually feel like one of the ways they could do that is by pushing, like there are a lot of states that have these laws, they'll get marketed or they'll get written about as they're anti-gender affirming and whatever else.
But really, if you look at it, a lot of times they are people voting against or judges overturning rules that say you can't tell parents about what's going on with their kids in school.
And I think even progressive parents would want to know if their children are going by different programs and it starts to be like this unifying issue.
If a child makes a choice in school like that, any parent would want to know.
You can't decide arbitrarily who is dangerous and who is not and whose kids are secret about this.
You know what I mean?
There are ways to continue to push this issue.
Loudoun County is so unique because they had that specific case, but there are other parents who would get behind, I need to know what's going on with my kids.
tim pool
You know what I think is going to convince a lot of suburban women to vote for the likes of Donald Trump, or at least someone more right-leaning, is in the event that they have male children, explaining to them the late 2010s history of the false accusations, Mattress Girl, all of these stories in the Me Too movement, and When you see this degree of wokeness right now, I think what's worrying for mothers and fathers who have daughters is this story about what happens to this guy.
But what's as worrying to a parent who has a male child, right?
The destruction of your son's life because woke people can lie about him, a chism of racism, bigotry, assault, or otherwise, and there will be no due process, there will be no innocent until proven guilty, they will destroy this person's life.
These are the things we need to stop.
ian crossland
Due process is legit.
Innocent.
tim pool
And it seems so basic to it doesn't it?
ian crossland
Until proven guilty.
lauren chen
Well, I definitely support due process, but there's this also interesting tension in a way between due process and freedom of speech.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with Tommy Robinson, but one of the many legal issues that he's had in the UK was reporting on, I think it was like a grooming gang, forgive me in the comments if I get this wrong, but reporting on a grooming gang trial.
And the UK had it that there was a moratorium in the press because the official reason was that they wanted due process.
They didn't want these people's names slandered if they were found innocent.
People who are critical of it say actually it's to basically hide the fact that mass
migration has led to an increase in sexual assaults.
But what do you guys think about kind of that issue?
Are we allowed to talk?
Does that does due process after a certain point mean that we need to clamp down on freedom
of the press if it means publishing these allegations that are unfounded?
tim pool
Well, we have civil tort to deal with defamation and libel and these things.
Defamation, libel, slander.
The problem is Times v. Sullivan.
And in many ways, there's pros and there's cons to what's called anti-SLAPP, Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation.
Basically, anyone can say whatever they want about anyone else, so long as they're all famous.
And it's impossible to win a defamation case.
Impossible.
Unless it falls into what's called defamation per se, where what you've said is so shocking and egregious that damages aren't needed and the defamation in and of itself warrants just, you know, pursuit.
Like, I guess the issue would be, if I claimed Ian kicked a dog, Well, I don't know.
You know, did I know it was false is the question in times of E. Sullivan, and if Ian tried to sue me claiming that, it'd get thrown out.
ian crossland
What if you claimed that I was running a puppy mill and, like, slaughtering animals and, like, not paying my taxes?
tim pool
It'd be like... I mean, that's... that's... actually, I don't... I don't even think that would qualify.
ian crossland
It'd be like if you said I was a rapist, then that would be definition per se.
tim pool
Or that you had a contagious disease.
ian crossland
But killing dogs isn't enough?
Nope!
tim pool
Probably not.
ian crossland
Oh, contagious disease is one?
tim pool
Is there a list of person?
Yes, there's a list.
It's criminal activity, contagious disease, and something so morally shocking and reprehensible or whatever, like calling someone a pedo is defamation per se.
ian crossland
It's crazy.
I tried to do the killing the dogs, but it's just not reprehensible enough, I guess, in this society.
hannah claire brimelow
Dark.
tim pool
Yeah, well, because there are act like PETA kills dogs, right?
unidentified
It's true.
serge du preez
Yes, they do.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so that's not considered to be so morally outrageous that it would be shocking to people to claim because it's something that happens.
There are kill shelters.
So if you if you said that Ian was an evil person who was running a puppy mill that kills dogs, they'd say, OK, well, is that an opinion statement about a puppy mill?
We don't we don't know if this warrants that, you know, a level of going to law, going to court over it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I think one of the questions with Freedom of the Press is, you know, It is accurate to say this person was accused of, this person is standing trial for this, and I understand the sensitivity of the crimes.
tim pool
It's an issue where people are evil.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think this is what we get from an untrustworthy press, right?
The fact that you would present it as like, it's a done deal no matter what, this is definitely, they're not presenting any other sides, they have decided there is a narrative and they're going to follow it through, even if they might throw the word in allegedly a couple times, it's not honest reporting.
tim pool
Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul, accused of getting into a fight with a male prostitute over a drug deal gone wrong.
And of course, people are going to be like, okay, well, hold on.
We know that story.
That's a big leap.
I didn't say it was true, and I didn't say I said it.
I said he was accused of it.
That's a fact statement.
So if I report that Paul Pelosi was accused of getting into a fight with a gay prostitute, then that is a factual fact statement.
That is a true statement.
He was accused of that by a whole bunch of people on the internet.
Doesn't mean it's true.
I never said it was true.
I said he was accused of it.
unidentified
That's a fact.
lauren chen
And what's really tricky with journalists is that they really only need one person to make that accusation to be able to write that headline.
hannah claire brimelow
Exactly.
ian crossland
But realistically, it should be someone in the legal system making a legitimate, like an official accusation.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Which would be a charge.
hannah claire brimelow
There are activists, attorney generals everywhere who will levy all kinds of stuff against you.
tim pool
I'm allowed to accuse Joe Biden of taking bribes.
And I think everyone's going to agree, like, yeah, he probably did.
There's no official government determination so far.
Members of the Republican Party have presented evidence that they say asserts this, but it's not been, like, adjudicated.
I think we're still allowed to come out and say that he is a corrupt MF-er who is taking bribes.
ian crossland
When I look at the word accused, the definitions, all the definitions are to charge with a shortcoming, to charge formally, to make a charge of wrongdoing.
So if you're not charging them, literally, that means you don't have the legal authority.
It's not technically an accusation.
tim pool
No, it also says to claim that someone has done something wrong.
hannah claire brimelow
The thing is, if I accuse someone of doing something or if someone is, like, charges are brought against someone, theoretically, if you're being ethical, you present evidence that might contradict the point that seems obvious.
Like, if the government says, you know, you burned down a building, I would potentially say there are other people and I would get a statement from you.
But if you're trying to present information honestly, you're supposed to represent multiple points of views and possibilities, but that's not really how it works anymore.
tim pool
But that doesn't matter.
I mean, the definition of accuse is to claim someone has done something wrong.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's it. I guess maybe there could be an official accusation like a capital A and that's like when it's a legitimate
Accusation from like someone with authority as opposed to all this nonsense being the issue is people are evil
tim pool
The issue is as a culture We used to have scruples and people were like I can't lie
in the newspaper like I feel so bad I'd be scared like well, how could I couldn't get away with that now?
Everyone's just like I don't care what happens to you.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm gonna do whatever I want Yeah, and in our defamation cases the victim has to prove malice that that person acted with the intention of destroying your reputation Which if you were to be like, hey New York Times you printed something false about me and they could be like, oh Whoops, we didn't know, slash, we didn't do it, slash, we don't care, then you can't prove malice, it's extremely difficult.
tim pool
And then what happens is, you go to court, and you say, they defamed me, and they'll file a motion to dismiss under anti-SLAPP legislation, or Times v. Sullivan, whatever, and the judge has to then agree discovery is warranted.
So you have to provide some evidence they may have, like, this is the crazy thing, in order to actually sue, you have actual mal-standard, and Times v. Sullivan is that the person doing the libel or slander knew what they were saying was false.
Which means, if someone in the press lies, or, here's my favorite, if someone tweets a thing and it was a joke, a news organization can take that, run it as fact, and then say, oh, but we thought it was real.
lauren chen
How do you prove that they knew that it wasn't, like, that's a paper trail that will almost never exist?
tim pool
Internal communications where they're like, well, gee, I know this is not true, but run it anyway, which exactly doesn't exist.
lauren chen
Yeah, would never exist, almost.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
But civil tort, not criminal.
So, I guess you get what you get, but, you know, I guess going back to the main story.
ian crossland
We gotta jujitsu this because false accusations can bring down nations.
If, like, the Soviet Union would go around accusing people, accusing people, accusing people, take them away without a trial or any kind of process.
hannah claire brimelow
It reminds me of America today.
lauren chen
And it's kind of annoying because technically it is you're not allowed to like make a false police report or anything like that but when it comes to like all of these like Me Too cases or even just the run-of-the-mill a sexual assault allegation where that results in a charge where the man is found innocent or not guilty you would think that if there's a person coming saying that this person like, assaulted me, and the man is then found not guilty,
then that...
shouldn't all of those cases lead to some sort of investigation into a false police report? But that almost
never happens.
ian crossland
Some people suggest that the accuser serves the sentence that the accused would have served if they find out that it
was a false accusation.
lauren chen
I think, I mean, I definitely think that there should be some sort of
legal punishment for trying to ruin someone's life life vindictively and using, weaponizing the legal system.
tim pool
I think it should be worse.
So if somebody's accused, like, if a guy commits sexual assault and the charge is going to be like 10 years or something, then if it's a false accusation, it should be 15.
The reason being, it's one thing for someone to commit a crime and then have the government, the law enforcement, and the court system seek to bring some kind of justice and stop this person as an offender.
All of that is legitimate practice.
If the person is falsely accusing someone, two crimes are being committed.
One against law enforcement and the government, and one against the individual who's falsely accused.
We seek deterrence.
We don't want people to try and use law enforcement as a weapon against people through false accusations, so that's an entirely separate crime.
So they should serve the sentence of the person, of what would have been for the person they accused, and they should get an additional charge over the manipulating and falsifying government, you know, blah blah blah blah.
lauren chen
The only prominent example I can think of of someone getting their just deserts for trying to weaponize the legal system is Jussie Smollett.
ian crossland
What happened?
tim pool
Barely!
lauren chen
I mean, but he at least, there was a trial thing, he ended up like, you know, it was a nothing burger, but still there was at least, I mean, when was the last time you remember someone being charged with, like, lying and leading police on their life?
tim pool
He still, to this day, is maintaining it really happened.
He did an interview with, uh, was it Charlemagne?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
I think it was, and he was like, that's what they said, and he was like, really?
He's like, yeah.
He's like, okay.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
But what else is he gonna do?
Honestly, he's gotta go down with that ship because if he admitted it was wrong, it's almost worse for him.
tim pool
If he admitted right away, he'd be back by now.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If right when it went down, he said, look, we were trying to bring awareness and we were trying to, you know, make people- It's a performance art piece.
No, he could have said, me and my friends decided to stage this because we felt like other stories of other victims weren't getting any national attention and only a celebrity could bring to light the injustices that were happening.
I regret what we did.
I'm sorry I deceived everybody and I accept the punishment.
And then he's going to jail or whatever his charges are.
I guess that's what he's really scared of.
He doesn't want to be a felon.
We're years past this now and people would be like, oh, OK.
And seriously, his PR team should have said, own it and claim the issue is, like, here's what if I was a PR guy for Smollett, I'd immediately do a Google search for some kind of racist hate crime.
And then I would have Justice Smollett be like, when I saw this story and that no one cared, I knew the only way to get the attention of the press was for a high profile celebrity to do it.
So that's why I decided to stage this event.
And I regret it.
lauren chen
Or you could say, like, I stage it to bring attention to this case now that Oh yeah, now that everyone's talking about it.
Exactly, I'm coming for it.
I'm going ahead and getting in front of it.
I want you all to know now, this didn't happen to me, but it did happen to this person.
We should have been on his crisis team.
tim pool
It would have been way more based if he came out and said, like, right away, like, yes, I am Justice Millett.
I have staged this hate crime.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Every year, over 800 false hate crimes are reported and people are lying every single day.
Then everyone on the right would have been like, oh wow.
hannah claire brimelow
He's really checkmated us here.
I don't know what to do with that.
I mean, one of the complaints that Chicago had was that he wasted resources, right?
So that would still follow him, but maybe he would just make a nice donation to cover the cost of his, you know, false allegations.
There is a way to spin this.
I think part of it is that he liked being, you know, celebrated as his victim.
And I think that kind of attention is very hard to give up, especially since I don't think he'll really act again at this point.
tim pool
I wonder where he is now, especially with the Israel-Palestine stuff.
So there are a lot of celebrities that hitched their wagons to the woke left, and now they're regretting it.
Could you imagine being Justice Smollett and destroying your entire career over this attempt at anti-Trump nonsense, only to find out that you're on the wrong side of whatever this is?
In the entertainment industry, a lot of the people who are running it are going to be more pro-Israel, and then all the leftists who would have supported him if his hate crime worked were going to be pro-Palestine.
Good luck, buddy!
At least for Ethan Klein, he can get up and leave the room.
lauren chen
Ryan Long did a great skit about that.
The actor who's not knowing whether to post pro-Palestine or pro-Israel.
hannah claire brimelow
It's incredible.
serge du preez
He's always had a stance, you know?
tim pool
I said it before, I'll say it again.
It must be a horrible way to live to be on the left.
lauren chen
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, I almost fell into it, man.
In LA, I was an actor until I was like 27 and it was just shredding my soul.
And then when I got, when YouTube appeared, I was like, you can, I can actually speak my mind and I can make a career out of it.
tim pool
The modern version of the left, right?
It's really simple for people like me and many others who are like, quote unquote,
disaffected liberals or post liberal or whatever, where it's just like we maintain our positions
and we don't care about what the left wants to do.
And so we get excised, we get kicked out.
It's like, whatever, I don't care.
Screw you guys.
But I have to imagine the people like Ethan Klein who decided I'm just going to agree
with whatever they're saying.
That dude must be stressed out for the past month and a half since the Hamas thing happened
and everybody on his show is just screaming in his face and calling him a Zionist pig.
Zionist peg He's probably thinking like, it's the end.
The right will not have him.
He's a shill.
He's sold out.
And the left hates his guts because he's like...
Pro-Israel.
lauren chen
And it's not just that he was trying to hitch his wagon to the left.
He chose Hasan Piker and to try and leech off, like, that is not just the left.
Like, that is some of the most, like, radical, like, literal communists out there that you can get.
tim pool
I gotta pull this clip up.
I gotta pull this clip up.
Let me see if I can find it.
ian crossland
Have you?
tim pool
Just because it's from a little while ago, but I think it just needs to be talked about.
ian crossland
I'm endlessly fascinated by these guys.
tim pool
Let's play this.
This is a clip.
from uh... the leftovers podcast hassan piker and uh...
even cline uh... this is a a twitter account
uh... it's just at that i don't know what's the county's you know anonymous
unidentified
but uh... on the place but the guys palestinians and is going to sound very radical and
possibly very violent but this is a matter of law and maybe if you agree with this a
ian crossland
matter of morality palestinians
unidentified
uh... have the the legal ground to violently seize back their own homes
from the settlers This is a reality, and that is precisely the reason why they have to exist under endless occupation in the West Bank.
tim pool
You know what?
And that's why I say, if it was settlers, that would be a lot more understandable.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
But, let's not obfuscate, okay?
tim pool
I understand what you're saying.
ian crossland
But this dude just called babies militants.
unidentified
No, I, I understand.
tim pool
And there are baby settlers as well.
unidentified
There are baby settlers as well.
ian crossland
There are babies in the settlements.
tim pool
But the babies that killed weren't, they were not.
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
Okay, so, so, so, so, so, here's the thing.
unidentified
No, no, hold on.
tim pool
Let me, can we just, I'll play that one more time for you?
ian crossland
Occupation in the West Bank.
unidentified
You know what?
tim pool
And that's why I say, if it was settlers, that would be a lot more understandable.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He says, Hassan says, Palestinians have a right to violently seize back the land that was taken by settlers.
Then Ethan Klein says, yes, if it was settlers, but this guy's saying babies, and Hasan goes, but some of the babies are settlers.
Basically saying, there is justification for the killing of babies.
Hasan Piker is pure audience capture, this is what he represents.
He says whatever is gonna get favor among the people who are chatting to him, and that's all it is.
The left is rather insulting, they're rather condescending to him too, but This is abject evil, unquestionably.
lauren chen
To play devil's advocate, we don't know what comes after that.
tim pool
Fair point.
lauren chen
What I'm hoping Hassan does is explain that that wouldn't be justified.
Therefore, the Israeli targeting of Palestinian babies is also not justified in light of the October 7th attacks.
That's what I'm hoping came after that.
I don't know.
tim pool
Look at the Yale professors that settlers are not civilians.
Agreed, agreed, agreed.
If, in fact, the longer clip in the full context shows Hassan say there is no excuse ever for killing babies, and I recognize that, then okay.
For the sake of just this, we will be very clear in that regard.
Hassan calling babies settlers while justifying Hamas killing settlers is a horrifying thing in and of itself and I hope, I HOPE he's clarified later on that he does not support the killing of babies.
lauren chen
I almost never say this, but I feel for Ethan over the past few weeks, the clips I've been seeing, because Ethan is, I would say, very moderate, especially for an Israeli, about the situation.
He's actually donated money to help Palestinians.
He acknowledges that he does not support Israeli settlements, so that's not, like, you know, where they're actually, like, getting... You don't think he is?
tim pool
Ethan Klein was an edgy boy on the internet who made crude jokes way back in the day.
lauren chen
No, but you don't think he's moderate on the Israel-Palestine issue?
unidentified
No, I don't.
tim pool
I think that he hitched his wagon to the left because many... So he's not a political guy.
He knows nothing of politics.
He's thrust into this because Donald Trump and the culture wars turned politics into pop culture.
So now, if you're somebody, if you look at his original YouTube channel where he did silly jokes, it was in decay.
It was falling apart.
He launches a podcast channel, and now it's more conversations.
He has Jordan Peterson on his show, and they're having a great conversation.
Why?
It was in, it was in, it was trendy.
It was the thing to do.
The intellectual dark web.
Then, as things start splitting more seriously in the culture war, he decides he's gonna go left.
What does he do?
He tweets, Jordan Peterson's not a good guy, so I'm gonna take the episode down.
The only reason Ethan Klein comes out and acts moderate on Israel is because he's desperately trying not to get cancelled by the left.
lauren chen
So do you think he's a Zionist and hiding it?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
But I think he's probably somewhat pro-Israel.
He outright said Hamas is lying, the left believes outright Hamas propaganda and historical revisionism.
His wife is Israeli and again, I'm pretty sure she was in the IDF.
serge du preez
She was, IDF veteran.
tim pool
Confirmed though?
serge du preez
Confirmed for sure, 100%.
tim pool
IDF veteran.
And so he's thinking, like, sure, I mean, he may not be a Zionist, but he's certainly, like, Israel, like, he's pro-Israel.
serge du preez
Yeah, he's been there.
tim pool
So he comes out and says, I'm gonna donate to Palestinians and stuff because his entire audience is this.
lauren chen
But that's why I feel bad for him because he is trying to, I mean, in this one regard, he is trying to, I guess, like, be I don't know, building bridges as much as he can but they're still not accepting it.
I can't help but feel for him in that situation.
tim pool
Let me just stress, there have been many times in the show where Ian and I have been mad at each other and we've gone at it.
I would not ever sit down next to a person Who says, yeah, but babies are settlers.
I'd be like, are you nuts?!
ian crossland
You're not gonna sit right here and tell me you think killing babies... I'll take it up to the edge of that, but no, because like in Vietnam, seven-year-olds had grenades in baskets and they'd walk up to the American soldier and then they'd blow him up, so they had to start shooting seven-year-olds.
But babies, they don't move, they just lay there.
You take them captive at the very least.
tim pool
They just lay there!
They lay there and they cry!
And Ethan Klein is sitting there actually having a discussion with this guy, and the fact that the show didn't stop on the spot when he said that, I would have been like, no, no, no, no, tell me right now you are not saying what you are saying.
Ethan's just like, well, I mean, come on, and they go back and forth a little bit.
I'm sorry, I think Ethan Klein saw his waning internet presence and decided, I gotta choose a side.
I'm gonna go with the left because that's what celebrities are doing and that's what I guess we do because it was not a principle-based decision nor a knowledge-based one.
You take a look at when Steven Crowder wanted to have a conversation with Ethan.
So what did Ethan do?
Brought in Sam Seder and totally pulled a stunt because he is not a political guy and even says it.
Then why the is he doing leftovers anyway?
Well, congratulations, dude.
You had an opportunity to sit with Jordan Peterson and have a conversation with someone who is very moderate, open, and understanding.
Jordan Peterson's famous interview with, I think it was Jim Jeffries, where Jeffries says, do you think the government should mandate, you know, that people provide service?
It was known.
He goes, what about black people like civil rights?
And Jordan Peterson goes, you know, maybe I was wrong about that.
Because he's a smart, rational guy.
And Ethan Klein had that opportunity and could have gone that middle-of-the-road route where he says, y'all are crazy, chill out, I'm gonna talk to who I want to and believe what I want to believe.
Instead, he told people like us, like Jordan Peterson, to F off your bigots and racists and misogynists, and he hitched his wagon to people who are calling him a Zionist pig, celebrating Hamas, I'm not saying Palestine, I'm drawing a distinction, and a dude who quite literally said, but babies are settlers.
That's what Ethan Klein decided to buy into.
Congratulations, buddy.
This is what you- this is what you- you- you reap.
You reap what you sow.
ian crossland
My wonder is, like, Ethan, I- I feel like- What's up, dude?
Uh, your intelligence is probably, like, a 12.
Like, it's not super high or, like, a little bit- it's, like, above average intelligence, but- It's Ashkenazi.
He's a charismatic dude.
He's got charisma, but the intellect isn't top-level genius, so I'm not drawn to connecting with him.
I like to talk with scientists.
But that doesn't mean that we leave people like that behind.
He's so influential in society, I want to help him.
hannah claire brimelow
I think this is a really interesting internet frenemies moment to have because I think it's actually probably what's going to happen when many progressive families assemble for Thanksgiving, right?
They're gonna have to look at each other and instead of it being like conservative uncle yells at, you know, progressive nephew.
serge du preez
It's gonna be Israel versus Palestine, baby!
hannah claire brimelow
And it's going to be people who think they're on the same side.
These generations that look apart and say like, but why are you saying this thing?
And I think a lot of people have this moment where they'll have sort of extremist rhetoric brought to them like this, like the justification of how and if and when you should potentially harm children in this conflict, obviously the answer is never, and have to confront these people they think they have everything in common with.
I think this is a really interesting moment of reckoning and I think because these are well-known personalities you can see where the bifurcation is, but people are going to experience this in their real lives very soon.
unidentified
Right.
lauren chen
And I mean, just this past month alone, I've seen Ethan Klein cry on camera at least twice.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
He had to get up from the stream.
tim pool
I saw that.
I didn't know he was crying.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
lauren chen
Well, and that's why I think this is also why I feel bad for him.
I don't think he's being as calculated or at least not to this.
He actually broke down in tears talking about a video he saw of a Palestinian father clutching his dead child when he was talking to Hassan.
That got me.
I mean, obviously, it was terrible, and I think he is someone who is ultimately an empathetic person.
I don't think he's evil, and I think he is seeing the horrors of this war, but you can't deny that, yeah, this is his bed, and he's been trying to capitalize on these people who are now turning on him, because obviously they would eventually.
tim pool
It's the banality of evil.
It's that when he deleted that Jordan Peterson episode and then publicly condemned Jordan Peterson, I'm like... Yeah, that was the weakest.
That is... When you see that photo of all the people doing the Roman salute to Hitler, and the one guy's angrily like, no.
That's the defiance that we respect.
The person who says, I am not going to just do what these people are saying.
He was the guy doing the salute.
He was just one of those other people who was like, I'm just going to do whatever they tell me to do because I don't want to get into a fight.
hannah claire brimelow
He's completely reliant on his community for social cues.
tim pool
Surrounded by evil.
Surrounded by evil people who would, like, listen.
If you are someone who thinks that Israel is taking it too far and they're killing too many civilians, I hear ya.
If you're someone who thinks Hamas went too far and they started this on October 7th, granted the fight's been going on for generations, then I hear ya.
If you're gonna sit there and say, but babies are settlers.
Like, dude, you are way past that point.
I have no idea.
That line itself is insane.
Even if after the fact he says, alright, I get it, babies shouldn't die or whatever, but like, the babies are settlers means he intended to get to that point morally.
lauren chen
Yeah, for real.
I've been kind of black-pilled on Twitter because I've seen people kind of argue also that, well, the Palestinian babies, it's basically just a future terrorist that's being killed.
tim pool
Oh, it's nuts!
lauren chen
I feel just in general the past month I've seen the worst of humanity on social media on both sides.
tim pool
The people calling the individual who said the only reason not to nuke Gaza is that the fallout would impact Israelis?
lauren chen
Bethany Mandel, yeah.
tim pool
Insane!
That's like derangement.
That is a degree of psychotic evil.
I just... But look, always, when everyone's just like, Israel this, Palestine that, I'm like, I'm in the United States.
Like, I don't know why we're involved in that.
So I'll leave it there.
The point is, though, when it comes to left versus right in this country and the fight we're seeing in the breakdown of the left, dude, Ethan could have, a lot of people said like, why did he go into this leftist camp where you can't be funny and you have to be walking on eggshells?
He was always like this edgy dude who made offensive jokes.
He interviewed Jordan Peterson.
He used to say, you can't even say him on YouTube, he used to say several racist and homophobic slurs on his show famously.
lauren chen
Oh yeah, there's a fairly long compilation clip out there of all the slurs that he's dropped on his channel over the years.
tim pool
And he decided, I better align with these people who hate my guts.
hannah claire brimelow
Because they're paying him.
I mean that's the thing.
He might be empathetic, he might have emotional attachments, but this is like his business now is to be saying the right thing to the right people.
And I can't imagine what you're going to do.
Audience capture.
Exactly.
There's nothing he can do to change it.
And I think in some ways it would be more interesting to see a version of this where there's principle behind it.
Well, you know, I believe this but you guys will have to believe whatever or I have these certain standards but he compromises himself and I don't really follow his stuff that intensely but he repeatedly compromises what you think could be his value and that means that ultimately he is to be bought.
lauren chen
Although I can't- this is the most praise I've ever given Ethan Klein.
I've done several hit pieces on him in general.
In terms of videos on my channel.
But I have liked that him and Hassan, they did a debate on capitalism versus communism.
Strangely enough, Ethan Klein was, I guess, defending the capitalists.
He's not a capitalist, he's more like a social democrat, but at least, you know, some market competition.
That was interesting.
And he and Hassan did have a sit-down where they both talked about their perspective on Israel-Palestine.
And I thought at least that exchange of ideas where they both clearly were trying to remain friends through that, I thought that was useful.
Especially when it comes to Israel-Palestine, it's not just the left that's having this internal breakdown.
The right is too, right?
Because you do have the neocons and the more dissident anti-war populists, right?
And we're having our own schism as well.
tim pool
Oh yeah, Ben Shapiro calling Candace Owens a disgrace.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
Or saying that the things she said are disgraceful.
unidentified
Right.
lauren chen
Even though Candace has been very consistent that she wants to worry about America, and basically all she tweeted out was that governments should not engage in genocide, which if you believe that Hamas is the elected government of Palestine, is also applicable to both sides.
ian crossland
Dude, I'm concerned with having American aircraft carriers over there.
I keep being told about the USS Liberty.
That's something with the Israeli government.
tim pool
No, you should be careful about that one.
ian crossland
Allegedly, the Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft.
lauren chen
I mean, they did end up paying out the American government.
ian crossland
So I'm concerned like false flag operation, like a missile comes out of Gaza and hits one of our aircraft carriers, but it was actually Israeli missile.
We should get out of there.
tim pool
Let me stop you there.
It doesn't matter where the missile comes from.
If a missile comes out of the Middle East in any capacity and hits a U.S.
target, everyone will claim it was exactly what they want it to be.
The U.S.
military will say Iran did it.
The pro-Palestinians will say Israel did it.
The pro-Israel will say Hamas did it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
If it comes out of a foreign country other than Israel, then it'll be, like, hard to deny.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
tim pool
It doesn't matter where it comes from.
The U.S.
will say Iran did it, right?
ian crossland
Well, if it comes out of Tel Aviv, it's going to be hard to sell that, but I know what you mean.
tim pool
But prove it came out of Tel Aviv.
How do you know?
You read the news.
ian crossland
I mean, exactly.
tim pool
And you are going to get American intelligence agencies going to news organizations saying, tell them it came out of Gaza.
ian crossland
I don't think the Americans want their carrier to be hit.
It's a false flag.
Maybe the USS Liberty thing was an accident, probably.
lauren chen
That's the controversy over it, is that the Israeli government claims it was an accident, but Jocko Willink, I think, interviewed some survivors who say that they don't think it was an accident.
So was it a false flag?
That's why people talk about it.
ian crossland
Did America get involved in the 1967 war after that?
lauren chen
No, because it ended up being really short.
tim pool
But we're gonna go to Super Chats!
So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and head over to TimCast.com.
Click join us if you'd like to hang out in the uncensored members-only show coming up at 10 p.m.
where you can submit questions and actually talk to us and our guest.
It's gonna be a lot of fun and also the Infringed documentary is available now.
You definitely need to see it and share with your friends.
Of course, our first Super Chat comes from Clint Torres, who says, Howdy people!
Clint Torres, of course.
Sounds like a good nickname to me.
ian crossland
Howdy, Clint.
tim pool
I shot for second today, did I get it?
You did not, you got first.
unidentified
You overshot.
hannah claire brimelow
Even when he's trying to be second, he's still first.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
No one to fold him.
tim pool
Alpha Turkey says, Ian, the Canaanites were Phoenicians who, like the far left, worshiped Molech.
ian crossland
That's hot data.
tim pool
Is that true?
ian crossland
I don't know, I'd have to reference it.
tim pool
Alex Conrad says, you should invite Nerd Roddick on the Culture War.
That is a very good suggestion, and we will.
ian crossland
Is that Gary?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He's spectacular.
tim pool
One Evil Chef says, Darmok when the walls fell.
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel.
Yeah.
There were several other key phrases, if you guys remember them.
ian crossland
Put them in the chat.
What's that in reference to?
tim pool
Star Trek.
It was a culture that could only speak in stories.
So they would convey all of their ideas by saying a phrase from a story.
lauren chen
So like a society of old people?
tim pool
No, I don't know.
I don't know how it would actually function.
But the people are shrugging, like, when the walls fell!
When the walls fell!
And it's like, what are you saying?
And they're like, in their mind, it conveys the full idea of what they're trying to explain in the context.
What do we got?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, at great risk, I tell you this, I'm fixing a ram on your skateboard when I get an atomic elbow from the top ropes.
I wake up to Ian ripping his shirt off, flexes so hot, says, you tell Tim, you do you leftist?
I have no idea what you mean, Tim.
ian crossland
Is that Raymond G. Stanley?
unidentified
Yes.
serge du preez
You tell Tim, you da leftist?
ian crossland
Is he typing with his elbows?
serge du preez
He might have been, actually.
unidentified
What the heck?
ian crossland
No, but I will rip my shirt off, dude.
tim pool
I imagine it must have been with the elbows.
All right, let's grab some more super chats.
The Aries Knight says, in reference to yesterday's guest, unhoused implies something was taken away.
This is leftist manipulation to evoke an emotional response.
I think the reason they started saying unhoused is the implication that everyone should have a house.
Communism.
ian crossland
Yeah, because you could call them stray, stray humans.
They've strayed from the path, but that doesn't mean they were supposed to have a house.
tim pool
Homeless could imply like home.
What is the poem?
A home is where your family is, a house is, you know, a container or something like this.
And so, when you say someone's homeless, you're saying they don't have anywhere to sleep safely.
The left is trying to distinguish, or not distinguish, well yes, they're trying to make a distinction between, there could be someone who lives in a shack, It's their home and their family's there, but it's not a house.
And so they're unhoused, which means they should have a house.
lauren chen
Were you guys talking about the San Francisco cleanup?
tim pool
Yes.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
And I said, why are you saying unhoused?
I find it offensive as someone who's actually done work with homeless shelters and trying to help homeless people.
It is offensive to call them unhoused.
It's leftist nonsense.
lauren chen
It's also inaccurate because it assumes that if you just give them shelter, then the problem is gone, which is what they're trying to do, but you still have that basically plethora of likely problems, including addiction, maybe mental illness, that will follow them.
tim pool
I think, I genuinely, here's a problem that we face.
You know, when I talk to the likes of Stephen Marsh and he says that, you know, you're right or you're biased or whatever, and I'm like, no, dude, you just don't know what you're talking about.
And how do I tell you that I'm actually not biased, I just am telling you the truth?
And therein lies the issue.
So I have my biases, of course, I'm pro 2A.
However, my position on 2A is rooted in how do you have a functioning system of governance that has a constitution and constitutional guaranteed rights, and then one faction trying to Vote away those rights.
You can't do that.
It's not a question of whether I think you should have guns.
It's a question of whether or not someone has the right to take them away from you.
They don't.
The system is here.
The rules are in front of us.
Play by the rules.
That's not bias.
That's me saying, oh, okay, maybe there could be good effective gun laws.
You can't do it because the Constitution says no.
So they lie, cheat, and steal.
If I'm talking with someone like Stephen Marsh, and he says there are more seditionists on the right than on the left.
I said, what's your metric for this?
He goes, court cases.
Then I bring up the fact that where are the criminal charges from the Summer of Love riots comparable to January 6th?
Where are the criminal charges from 529 in front of the White House, the firebombing of the White House?
You don't even know about it.
And I'm like, so it's not an issue of me being biased, dude.
I'm not saying the right or the left has more or less.
I'm saying what's your metric?
And you don't have one.
This is the problem.
I think when you look at people on the left who believe insane things, it's because they're genuinely ignorant but angry.
And then when you look to the right, you do have that, but the tendency on the right is more mature, calm, and rational.
That's just it.
Plain and simple.
That's why there are post-liberals who are now in line with conservatives on the issue of say like Trump and America First because...
ian crossland
When I was on the left, I was obsessed with mob, getting a lot of people to believe what I believed.
That was my goal.
Now, I want the merits to live on their own.
When I'm gone, I still want that idea to be present.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't care.
ian crossland
Yeah, you got to get away from the cult and build systems that let people govern themselves.
Because it's too easy to become a cult leader with this technology.
tim pool
So the issue is, in reference to this one, Aaron said, we should build houses for the unhoused and give them places to live.
And I said, okay, and then who's going to maintain that house?
Because many of these people, when I mentioned that probably 80% of homeless people choose to be homeless, he was shocked and didn't believe it.
And I'm like, It's actually really simple arithmetic.
If I walk up to a person and say, do you enjoy being homeless?
They say, no.
I say, would you like to not be homeless?
They say, yes.
Would you like a job?
Yes.
Congratulations.
They were homeless for two days and now they're not homeless anymore.
This is why when you see a homeless person, it is almost entirely likely they are choosing to be homeless.
Because if they didn't want to be homeless, they would seek these nonprofits and get out of that situation.
He was shocked by this.
lauren chen
But something that is encouraging is that you're right, and also there's a high percentage of homeless people who are only transiently homeless.
Like, they don't remain homeless in the United States, which is very encouraging.
Because it is a country where you actually are able to reach that rock bottom and then build your way back up.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But my point is, not to specifically focus on homelessness, my point is, the left gives you these surface-level nonsensical positions and then demands them with rage.
And they're like, there are more empty houses than homeless people.
And I'm like, yes, but the solution to homelessness is not putting people in an empty house.
They'll burn the place down.
They'll destroy it.
They'll get injured.
These are people who are unwell and incapable of maintaining and sustaining a house.
Oh man, Libby was on the show and I was like, this is coming from people who never owned houses before, because this is a lot of work.
And then Libby was mentioning like, oh yeah, when I have a problem, I'm like, I can't call the soup anymore.
Yeah, when you rent, you just call the superintendent and they come and fix your problem for you.
hannah claire brimelow
It reminds me of that show, Extreme Home Makeover, where they would be like, you're a family, you have some good story and we're going to demolish your house, we're going to build this really fancy house.
But often those houses were incredibly, they needed a lot of electricity, they need a lot of water, they need to be maintained.
They were the most expensive house in a neighborhood that really didn't sustain that.
And so it was ultimately a financial burden in a lot of cases.
And I think that is sort of the position we're putting some people into, that they don't They don't want to be a part of the system, so to speak.
They don't want to pay rent or deal with any of this stuff.
They have their own ways of living, and forcing them into it doesn't always work.
lauren chen
And they've done studies about the amount of money per homeless person that places like San Francisco spend, and it's absolutely astronomical.
I mean, it's like you're talking about- Like a hundred grand.
Exactly.
So you actually got an upper middle class salary being spent on a single homeless person who is still not living well.
So not only do they not have the solutions to it, but what they're trying to do is actively bad.
I get that from a compassionate standpoint they don't want to see homeless people on the street suffering, but I'll again bring up that most people who are homeless do not remain homeless for the entirety of their lives.
So, you know, they're treating homelessness like a, I guess, like a disease that someone just has and will have forever.
They will never again be, I guess, able to support themselves, which is the wrong way to look at it.
tim pool
Let's read this from AielloFam.
He says, Tim, if you love guns, read this.
State court ballot measure 114 verdict coming by 1122.
I was the sole attorney versus eight from the state.
It is the strictest gun law in the country and it's getting very little attention.
State, what state?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I was gonna say what state is it?
tim pool
I don't know where you are, sir.
So I'm assuming Illinois maybe or something.
I don't know.
Yeah.
We'll grab some more super chats.
Where are we at?
Waffle Sense says, how often do advertisements for infringement come up daily for lefties everywhere on the internet?
I have found that including Lauren Southern's name in searches forces the ABC algo to show the document first on Google.
Uh, I have no idea.
I don't know.
We've got, uh, I think three ads running right now for infringed?
Is that what you meant?
Advertisements for infringed?
ian crossland
Yeah, they were wondering about the analytics.
tim pool
I have no idea!
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Tim's got people for that.
He doesn't need to know about these things.
tim pool
Yeah, but, like, we do not have a massive marketing apparatus like a lot of companies where we're tracking it all.
We're just, like, spending the ads promoting the idea of gun rights in and of itself is the victory.
So we're hoping that, in the end, the bottom line, you know, it works out and the documentary gets a lot of views.
So, there you go.
T-Rex Pet Shop says, Establishment Republican voters really don't know what's happening in this country.
I call them Fox News reps who only know what the establishment wants them to know.
That's why they're mad at MAGA for firing Kevin McCarthy, but don't know why.
Lauren, do you have pets?
lauren chen
I do.
I have a Leon burger whose name is Jelly Bean, and she is beautiful.
Like, it's actually, when I take her out in public, it's almost a nuisance because I get stopped so often by people just in awe.
She's about 145 pounds.
ian crossland
Wow, those dogs are amazing.
lauren chen
Yeah, she's a great dog.
tim pool
Jaffo on the Bound says, you think our founding fathers didn't freaking come to blows on the Senate floor or dueling out back?
Make dueling great again and back up the bluster?
Uh, yeah, dueling was...
unidentified
Like, all the rage.
hannah claire brimelow
This is like, super vintage.
tim pool
The idea was that you would defend your honor but not try to actually kill the guy.
So often what duels would be is they'd say, shut up, I want to duel you, and they would
draw pistols and then aim away and fire and then both their honor was intact because they
both showed up to a duel risking life but didn't kill each other.
And then I think it was it was Alexander Hamilton and Burr.
And that's what happened.
Burr did not care, and Hamilton was like, I will aim away, and Burr was like, I'll kill you!
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep, fired away and then he got hit and he dead.
ian crossland
There's not many stories about them fighting on the floor of the Congressional Continental Congress.
There was the caning.
What happened?
tim pool
The caning between, it was a Democrat who caned, no no, it was a Republican who got caned by a Democrat.
ian crossland
Did they hold him down and he was like caning him on the ground?
tim pool
Started bashing him in the face with a cane and caused a traumatic brain injury.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
tim pool
Is that what it was?
It was a Democrat No, no.
Who was it?
ian crossland
Who caned Civil War?
That's what I'm typing in the search.
tim pool
I think it was a... It was before the Civil War.
A Union guy got caned.
It was a guy from Massachusetts.
ian crossland
They used to go to work carrying pistols and Bowie knives.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Sometimes use them on colleagues, it says.
That's from history.com.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
I think people in chat will... It's been a while since I read about it.
I think it was a guy from Massachusetts got mercilessly beaten.
ian crossland
It was Preston Brooks entered the chamber carrying the cane.
I imagine he was the... He walked over to Senator Charles Sumner, the pro-slavery southerner.
Oh, no, no, he was a Democrat.
The pro-slavery southerner was the guy with the cane.
tim pool
Right, yeah, a Democrat.
ian crossland
And he went over to Charles Sumner and whacked him in the head with the cane.
tim pool
And Sumner was Massachusetts?
ian crossland
Uh, I doesn't say.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Beat him unconscious.
hannah claire brimelow
Abolitionist Republican from Massachusetts.
unidentified
Right, right, yes.
ian crossland
And then he walked out and no one stopped it.
Everyone just stood there and watched.
tim pool
And in the South they cheered for it and said the North was lying about the seriousness of the injuries.
And in the North they were like they caused him to have serious brain damage for a long time.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Leading up to the Civil War, it says in the three decades there were more than 70 violent incidents between congressmen.
hannah claire brimelow
Wow, so are you saying that we're leading up to a civil war?
ian crossland
Not with Bernie Sanders in charge.
hannah claire brimelow
That's true, he's gonna break up all those hallway fights.
tim pool
What do we got?
Zach Ramer says, love the work you guys are doing building culture and winning the culture war.
I'm sending this super chat in celebration of my first born child, Stetson, being born.
unidentified
Congratulations!
tim pool
Keep up the great work you guys are doing.
Congratulations!
Great, glad to hear it.
ian crossland
Happy birthday, Stetson.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
serge du preez
Congrats.
hannah claire brimelow
Good job having a family.
I'm pro that, as is Santa and the Hallmark Channel.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
OMG Puppy says Senator McCarthy spoke at the Oxford Union.
He came across as a neocon war hawk and a narcissist.
Unsurprising.
ian crossland
His mask is off.
tim pool
The Clapper of Cheeks says play the audio recording from the reporter.
I don't think they actually published that.
I don't know if that was out at the time.
I know that she said she chased after with the microphone, but I don't know if... Also, would you necessarily hear that?
lauren chen
Like if someone just comes in like... Right.
tim pool
You'd hear him saying like, why'd you hit me?
lauren chen
Yeah, but that's pretty much... you wouldn't see it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, Paul Tascalo says, 8 suspects ages 13-17 arrested in the Las Vegas school beating death, all being charged with murder, and will be tried as adults according to report.
Interesting, I'd like to see the full details.
A lot of people were talking about this story, did you see this one?
But a lot of people didn't mention that it was actually the dude who died who swung first.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
The full video shows him swinging first.
It doesn't mean he was in the wrong.
It doesn't mean he wasn't acting in self-defense.
I don't know the full details of the story, but a lot of people were like, he got jumped by 15 people.
And I'm like, okay, well, I watched the video and there's like five people stomping on him.
Two of which were not black.
And I think there were like three, maybe four that were black.
And if you watch the full video, it's actually the kid who died who swings.
He lunges at a guy and swings at him and then they rush in and start beating him.
So I don't know exactly what happened or, you know, it is what it is.
hannah claire brimelow
It's another reason to be afraid to send your kids to school, right?
unidentified
Well, come on, where else are they going to get this type of socialization?
hannah claire brimelow
Just at Congress, I guess.
lauren chen
I guess.
ian crossland
I'm open to charging these kids as adults.
At this point, I'm like, you know, 16 years old, you know exactly what you're doing.
lauren chen
Yeah, you know better.
unidentified
100%.
ian crossland
Or you don't, and either way it's a problem and you belong behind bars.
I'm like, not you, but the kid would.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, don't stomp on somebody who's on the ground.
ian crossland
Yeah, jeez.
tim pool
I'm curious though, like, just, I don't know enough about the case to sit here and be like, let's charge them as adults with murder.
ian crossland
Same with this case, I don't know.
tim pool
And a lot of people are screaming to do so, and I'm just like, bro, I watched a grainy video of people stomping on a guy, I don't know anything about it.
If a dude, if you saw, like, here's the problem I have.
There could be a video of five guys stomping on a dude.
And they're like, oh no, why are they doing that?
And then someone releases a video that's got 10 seconds more, and the dude being stomped on is waving a knife around and screaming, and then throws the knife and starts punching somebody, and I'm like, oh, okay, that guy's clearly crazy.
Then someone posts another video of 10 seconds before, and this gang is actively opening fire on a crowd of people, and this guy runs up and starts waving the knife around saying, stop, stop!
And it's like, you just don't know what happened.
hannah claire brimelow
Theoretically, that's why we have trials, right?
So both sides can present evidence.
Instead, we have, you know, the media and 24-hour news cycles.
It's like, we must know exactly right now, based on very little information.
tim pool
With Kyle Rittenhouse, we had, I think, like five people who were there on this show telling us, here's what we saw.
And so we were like, okay, wow.
With the video we've seen and your testimony, and Richie McGinnis literally standing there behind him and helping the dude who got shot to the hospital, I'm like, pretty sure Kyle Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense.
In this instance, all I saw was a video of some guy stomping on a guy, and him swinging at somebody, and I'm like, I don't know.
ian crossland
Are you open to charging kids as adults now?
tim pool
It just depends on the circumstances, but sure, yeah.
It just, it just depends.
Right, see the problem, the reason why we have to, so the answer is yes, is because gangs will go to a 13 year old kid and be like, hey, go do, you know, take this gun and go kill that guy because you'll, you won't go, you'll get out when you're 18.
And then you're in the gang for life.
Okay, so don't do that.
No, be like, nah, you're 13, you committed a murder, we're locking you up, sorry.
That's like... The idea is that the kids don't know better and you want to give them a chance.
We can't.
Maybe the issue is if we need to go after the dude who gave the kid the weapon and ordered it and give that person life or something.
I don't think prison solves the problem anyway, to be honest.
hannah claire brimelow
Like there was that first creator in Virginia who brought a guy to school and shot his teacher in the hand and killed her.
She survived, but he's never been charged because he's too young.
He's six.
They don't think that he would understand, but someone who's 17 and stomping on a classmate, it's different.
lauren chen
Yeah, there's a big difference.
tim pool
This is an important one.
Hans Gruber says, the world is coming to an end when Ian is against freeing the code.
Well, I'm telling you, Ian started working out and everything's changing.
ian crossland
I'm an incrementalist.
I would love to free the software code, but I'm also a realist.
One step at a time.
We go for TikTok, ByteDance.
tim pool
Gandalf the Bay says, Fistfight reminds me of the caning of Charles Sumner in 1856.
Happened just before the Civil War due to the tensions leading to the war.
Say it Tim, you know you want to.
I don't think that Kevin McCarthy elbowing a guy in the back is comparable to a dude being mercilessly beaten on the Senate floor.
hannah claire brimelow
But we're a lower testosterone society now, so maybe we have to adjust.
lauren chen
Maybe we're working up to it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like inflation, you have to account for it somehow.
tim pool
Amanda says Ben Franklin actually wanted Britain and America to stay together until Parliament humiliated him when he represented Massachusetts after the Boston Tea Party.
Then he was all on board for separation.
ian crossland
I think that he was playing them, personally.
I think that his intention was revolution the entire time, but you might be right.
tim pool
What have we here?
Cheese is crisp.
Cheese is... crisp?
Trisp?
To be fair, roofs are like giant wheelchair ramps.
My paraplegic buddy just laughed at those Santas.
hannah claire brimelow
But does he feel represented?
lauren chen
Does he feel like now he can be Santa?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I like Tim's idea that he got into some sort of cool skateboarding accident, just taken a year off, you know, everyone needs a chance to recover.
If it's just, I don't know.
ian crossland
Go to Mexico, get the stem cells.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure, anything.
ian crossland
PRP.
tim pool
Stormblood20 says, waiting on a parody of Santa vs. Putin, where Russians go too far north and run into Santa's North Pole.
I mean, that's basically like Violent Nights, did you guys see that one?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Actually, it's a really good movie.
ian crossland
Sounds awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, it's... Santa is delivering presents at the same time a group is trying to rob this wealthy family.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I have seen this movie!
tim pool
Yeah, and he uses his bag to, like, fight.
It's actually really funny.
ian crossland
If they got a good martial artist to play Santa, that would be so awesome.
tim pool
No, it was... what's his face?
The guy from Stranger Things?
hannah claire brimelow
The, like, sheriff guy?
tim pool
Yeah, whatever his name is.
hannah claire brimelow
He means Mary to Lily Allen.
tim pool
Yes, that guy.
ian crossland
David Harbour.
tim pool
David Harbour, that's right.
Violent Nights was hilarious.
unidentified
It was good.
tim pool
John Lewis was in it.
That guy's kind of insufferable, but he does a good job in the film, so credit where it's due.
ian crossland
Beverly D'Angelo?
She's great.
tim pool
I recommend Violent Nights.
It's funny.
Yeah, it's like, I guess they're claiming that Saint Nick was this brutish Nordic barbarian who was mercilessly raping and pillaging until he became Santa.
hannah claire brimelow
Every culture has their own Santa, and doesn't that make you proud of yours if that's your culture, you know?
lauren chen
I forget what kids movie it was, but it was like some kids movie where all the, like, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny were all, like, real, and their version of Santa was just, like, this hardcore Russian, like, Russian Santa.
I liked Russian Santa.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
Russian Santa.
hannah claire brimelow
This is the thing.
We have to have Santa that represents your cultural values.
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
What have we here?
Jeremy Wien says, Santa got mugged by Captain Marvel.
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of her arc.
She mugged a dude.
That was in the first movie.
Okay, this is it.
Everybody knows, but I just gotta say it.
Captain America was a dude who was weak and sickly and desperately wanted to get into the military to serve his country.
And Captain Marvel was a woman who had the power the whole time, but a man was holding her down.
For real.
And then Jude Law keeps telling her to control her emotions.
I'm like, oh my god.
A little too on the nose!
lauren chen
Well, for most female superheroes, that is what it is, or female characters in general.
It's not like they need to grow.
What their growth is, is realizing that they were great the whole time.
tim pool
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
They lack the self-esteem to recognize it.
That's a line from Gilmore Girls.
tim pool
I just watched this movie, I don't know if anyone knows what it's called, where two women go on vacation to Australia, to this rural town, and they get a job at a pub.
And I thought it was a horror movie.
It's a horror movie in the sense that these women are the villains the whole time.
Basically what happens is, it's a rowdy pub, Then, like, one of the girls is drinking and wants to hang out with this guy who's not really that good of a dude and was causing fights.
So then the main character gets an axe and slashes his tires.
And then it ends with them just burning down this pub.
And I'm like, what?
What is this movie?
Like, who is this movie made for?
I don't understand.
But there's a scene where the two women are, like, crying with each other about the bar being rowdy or something.
And I was like, you know, you'll never see a movie where it's guys in this circumstance.
They would not make a movie where it's guys scared and angry at a bar.
The guys would always be aggressive and confrontational.
ian crossland
It's kind of like Office Space is the closest thing to it.
hannah claire brimelow
I was gonna say, what about Coyote Ugly?
That's like a super rowdy bar that a bunch of women deal with.
We already made this movie.
tim pool
This is a very different movie.
hannah claire brimelow
But that's what I mean!
tim pool
It's supposed to be like a horror, like there's a point where the guys break into the bar and I'm like, oh wow.
But then it's just some guys were trying to like invite the woman to the sunset and I'm like, okay, what's going on?
lauren chen
So the women are the bad guys the whole time?
tim pool
It's supposed to be the good guys, but if you watch it, like any rational person is like, yo, these women are nuts.
ian crossland
They're like antiheroes.
tim pool
No, they're not antiheroes.
I was like, I really thought it was going to turn out the woman was going to take an axe
and just go murder everybody.
And that was like, oh, that'd be really cool.
Like it turns out the character you thought was the scared victim turns out to be the killer.
No, the movie just ends.
They burn the bar down and leave.
And it's like, why?
What?
ian crossland
Oh, it sounds awful.
tim pool
It's just a really bad movie.
ian crossland
I think they need to remake Captain Marvel as the guy who originally he was, Walter Lawson.
I didn't ever read Mar-Vell comics, but his Mar-Vell was his alien name.
And he came in, he'd be on earth.
He was known as Walter Larson.
This whole, or Walter Lawson, this whole retconning and giving it to a woman all for no reason before they even had an opportunity to portray him as he was written.
Makes no sense.
I think it's part of the hatred of that, that franchise.
So bring back Mar-Vell.
lauren chen
Well, it's funny because, like, in the first movie, Captain Marvel is not a sympathetic character at all.
She, like, mugs the eye.
But in the second, also, she's, like, called the Annihilator.
Like, the Kree blamed her.
Oh, you went and saw it?
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
lauren chen
I did a hate review of it.
It's bad.
The Annihilator?
I mean, spoilers.
They call her the Annihilator because she basically destroys their entire society and planet by killing their AI leader.
And it's like, do you want us to like Captain Marvel?
unidentified
Because how you are writing her, she is not very likable.
tim pool
You know what I think it is?
Woke leftists are evil, and they're writing what they think is their power fantasy.
So, for the average person, Captain America is like a male power fantasy of, I'm gonna jump on the grenade, that's gonna be me.
If I was ever tested, I would prove that I'm not a coward.
And what these people are doing is, their perspective of the strong female power fantasy is, he told me to smile, I'm gonna beat and rob him.
unidentified
It's like, ah, well, you're the villain, so... about that.
hannah claire brimelow
It just seems like such an overreaction.
Like, he tells you to smile and so you beat him up.
Calm down, team.
lauren chen
Yes, because he needs to be punished for sexism.
tim pool
We'll get one more superintendent here.
B says, Bernie is right.
Senators don't fight.
Instead, they send your sons and daughters to fight in foreign wars that enrich themselves.
Solution.
O'Brien and Mullins should nominate some random family's children to fight in their stead, as per the traditions of Congress.
hannah claire brimelow
Or, to be honorable, send their old children to fight.
ian crossland
Bernie should have been, stop it!
tim pool
Take it to Israel!
unidentified
Take the fight outside!
tim pool
You're a United States Senator!
ian crossland
Get someone else's kids to fight for you!
tim pool
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lauren chen
Yeah, sure.
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It's just the media has stopped caring about it.
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Yeah, I'm so excited to see your documentary.
That's a good project because you have to get beyond that huge fence they erected.
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ian crossland
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you, Lauren, for bringing me the soap.
I will vouch for its excellence.
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unidentified
It does.
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ian crossland
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lauren chen
Yeah, that's the part.
ian crossland
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Spelling on Etsy.
Thanks for coming.
lauren chen
Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
Always a blast.
ian crossland
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I will be in the comments today to argue with you guys, because some people want to argue about my hair being too long, which is super weird.
Just like, you know, live your own life, but whatever.
Let's get to the after show.
hannah claire brimelow
They're talking about your hair as an African-American man.
tim pool
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