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Timcast IRL - US Announces Troop Deployment To Middle East, Israel INVADES GAZA w/Grace Chong
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has announced we will be deploying more troops to the Middle East.
We've already got a large amount.
19,000 personnel already in the Mediterranean.
We've got another 2,000 Marines that are poised to go.
And the Pentagon is saying 900 more troops have already deployed or are deploying.
So I hope y'all are ready for what's to come.
Israel previously agreed to delay their invasion of Gaza to allow the U.S.
to prepare missile batteries, Patriot missile and THAAD missile systems.
And now we've got reporting, Israel has invaded Gaza.
So I hope you're ready for what comes next.
Now, interestingly, the official reporting is saying, no, no, they have not yet invaded Gaza.
They've just sent a bunch of tanks in to start targeting Hamas targets and killing Hamas leaders with tanks in Gaza.
So the tanks are going in, but it's not an invasion.
And I'm just like, yo, if having a bunch of tanks go into this territory and kill people is not an invasion, then what's happening on the southern border is not an invasion, okay?
Yeah, this is what's happening.
But they're trying to be careful about what they call it for PR reasons.
People are probably gonna get really mad about that.
We'll talk about that, plus we got a bunch more news as of right now.
Police have surrounded the suspect in the main shooting.
They've surrounded the home.
They've announced to come out.
This is all developing, so we'll give us a little time to see what's going on with the story.
And then a new video of Jamal Bowman.
Oh boy.
The video shows him intentionally removing the warning signs from the door, pulling the firearm, and running away.
Yeah, this is much more than just I accidentally pulled a fire alarm.
Now, he's already pleaded guilty, but it looks like the actions he's taken appear to be more felony territory than anything.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Grace Chong.
grace chong
Hi.
Thanks for having me.
I'm so happy to be here.
I'm the CEO and CFO of Steve Bannon's War Room.
And I've had quite a journey to get here.
I used to be in the film industry.
And believe it or not, I met Steve Bannon 20 years ago at my very first job in the film industry.
unidentified
Wow.
grace chong
Yes.
And so now I'm working for him directly for the War Room.
And it's just been, it's been really great.
I mean, I wear a ton of different hats.
I'm, you know, one minute I'm doing financial strategies, the next I'm pushing content out on all social media, the next I'm all of a sudden in New York doing a grand jury.
And, you know, also doing, creating some cool ideas for our merch right here.
tim pool
War Room Posse.
grace chong
Yes.
We just dropped a new line.
If you go to, if I can do a plug, shopwarroom.com.
We've got sweatshirts, beanies, which we're going to send you some.
Oh, wow.
And we've got totes and women's lines.
For everyone, you know, your audience and also the War Room Posse, love you guys.
Shout out to all the War Room Posse that's supporting.
We have a discount code for 20% off, TIMCAST20.
The website's live now, so you can go for it.
And also, we have another special announcement, if I can say it right now, is we developed an app.
It's actually for the posse, but really anyone that wants to get engaged, you know, especially with what happened with the speaker election of calling all your representatives and congressmen.
And right now it's just been so difficult because you have a general line and you have
to like talk to a switchboard.
But we create an app where it's a list of all your representatives, your senators, based
on your location.
If you want to turn off the location part, you can look up any state, any representative,
and it's all in one app.
You can also click on their website to email them.
And this is just another tool for us to just really hound them and to make sure that the
representatives hear their constituents.
tim pool
And did you say the name of it yet?
grace chong
It's called Bill Blaster.
Right now it is only available on Apple.
It was a passion project that was created by myself and my friend who will remain nameless because he's in the tech industry and the whole cancel culture thing.
But this is just a tool because it actually started when the debt ceiling, Steve Bannon, my boss, he wanted me to put all these lists together of who voted yes and no and it just became this whole Excel spreadsheet.
I love Excel because I'm in accounting and finance.
And then it ended up being like a 40 page PDF of like people all like I had their Twitter handles or X handles, their websites and everything.
And, you know, my really pissed off techie friend, he was like, let's make an app.
Let's not go backwards.
hannah claire brimelow
Let's take action.
grace chong
Let's take action, action, action.
So we've been working on this for months.
And yeah, just Build Blaster.
It's available on Apple.
We're gonna work on the Android soon.
But please download it.
It's free.
And, and yeah, it's a great tool.
And I'm super excited.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks.
Thanks for that should be fun.
We got Hannah Claire hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
I'm really excited to be here with you and hear all the updates about War Room and I'm, I don't know, happy to be here with my friend Shane Cashman.
shane cashman
What's up?
I'm Shane Cashman, a big fan of War Room.
I was reporting in East Palestine and I chased a guy who was in a screaming match at the local Authorities there.
And I, when I followed him, I wound up at a bar and in that bar, I looked over his shoulder and Steve Bannon was there.
And I was like, Hey, it's nice to see some other people reporting on that town that people have forgotten about.
But I write books.
I write the Inverted World series.
And if you're feeling in the Halloween mood, I've got the Inverted World book from this recent year.
I published it early this year in February or March, and that's me looking for Confederate gold, getting threatened by men who are dating a coven of witches and get into UFOs.
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serge du preez
And I'm Serge.com.
Just want to tell you guys to cheer for South Africa against England in the upcoming finals of the Rugby World Cup.
And that's all, Tim.
Whenever you're ready.
tim pool
All right, here's the story from CNN.
Pentagon says 900 US troops have deployed or are deploying to Middle East amid heightened tension.
So just a few days out from Halloween.
And we have not even prepared our Halloween party, but don't worry, we don't need much.
All we'll have to do is put on CNN and a bunch of other news outlets and just have them run continuous news coverage of how the U.S.
is about to enter a massive regional conflict which could bleed out into World War III.
The one thing I can say is that whereas this is getting crazy, what's going on in the Middle East, it seems like Ukraine's dying down.
shane cashman
Yeah, what's that?
unidentified
You know, so maybe... So Linsky will tell you all about it, do not worry.
tim pool
Maybe it won't be World War III because everyone kind of forgot Ukraine's happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's, you know, gone.
But at the same time, as we're seeing these deployments, we have this from, this is, no, The Guardian is also talking about US deployment.
But, uh, we have this from Fox News.
Israeli forces conduct tank raid in Gaza ahead of expected invasion.
I am not going to play these stupid doublespeak games with you.
You do not have video, even, of tanks storming through the border and killing people and blowing things up and say, we didn't invade yet.
That's quite, quite literally you invaded.
Now they're trying to make this distinction likely because they want to downplay their actions.
And we know when the word gets out, it's not like any foreign country cares about what we call it.
This is for the American people.
They don't want the American people to hear Israel has invaded Gaza, U.S.
deploys troops to the region.
So they say, no, no, no, there's no invasion yet, just a tank raid.
hannah claire brimelow
The tanks are just going for a walk, you know, they need to stretch their legs, test out their wheels.
So, you know, it's not an invasion.
Stop asking us questions.
tim pool
It's an incursion.
shane cashman
They know once the American people hear words like World War Three, there's no coming back.
And I think the media is afraid to define it as such, although I also think they want it.
I think a lot of people in media do want this war.
tim pool
They need They need their castus belli BEFORE the escalation.
If World War III keeps getting repeated over and over again, and we hear about troop deployments, and there's no justification for it, people are gonna reject it, it's gonna poison the well.
So that's why they gotta downplay the language and make it seem like nothing's happening, it's just, you know, things are getting tense.
Then, when U.S.
forces are attacked or there's some kind of terror attack or something happens, they can then say, now we've invaded.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think to a certain extent they also want to normalize it?
They want people in the U.S.
to think, oh, well, our troops are already there.
Of course they're there.
tim pool
They had to be there.
unidentified
Look at Syria!
tim pool
Does anybody remember the point at which we entered Syria and started building military bases?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
But then they could run the headline, American military base bombed or whatever.
tim pool
It was all of a sudden, Donald Trump's like, oh yeah, we've had troops in Syria, we're getting them out.
We're like, wait, what?
Really?
We were there?
Yeah, we're getting our troops out.
And they lied about that too.
They don't want the American people to know, this is the craziest thing, that there are secret wars going on.
And this is 10 years ago, what was going on in Yemen was described as a secret war.
The American people did not know it was happening.
And it's still happening.
And now, Syria and all these countries, I think, I wonder if they realized, hey, we don't need to generate public support if we just don't tell them it's happening.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You know?
shane cashman
Just don't write it.
hannah claire brimelow
No, no, no.
Once you just tell them we're already doing it, people expect that it's normal, right?
If they're used to seeing the headlines, they don't care.
And that's what I think is the most frustrating thing about the 24-hour news cycle.
It's not that we don't need to have it, of course, with the internet, you have to keep up.
On the other hand, Everything becomes information overload.
So you're used to seeing American troops in places that you didn't expect them because you've, by the time you wake up in the morning, 45 stories have been written about it.
There's no way to just say like, oh wait, this is- It's just getting normalized.
Right.
shane cashman
Yeah.
When I walked in the room just now and I asked you guys, what are we starting with?
I had been on another show for an hour and I, you know, the world can change in the hour.
And you were like, oh, we've been, Israel's invaded.
God's like, oh wow.
hannah claire brimelow
You know?
shane cashman
And that's how I feel when I fly now.
I get in the airplane, I'm afraid to come down.
You know, I'm like, what?
Will the world look like when I land?
tim pool
Well, I mean, the internet on airplanes is pretty good these days.
shane cashman
I never get it.
I actually, I never get wifi on an airplane.
unidentified
Well, you know, you get it.
grace chong
Well, why not?
shane cashman
I get work.
I get work done.
I get to write.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I do that all the time.
shane cashman
I have two loud kids, and I get my office face up in the air.
That's your chance.
But yeah.
tim pool
I mean, when I'm flying, I'm online.
shane cashman
That's what I do.
tim pool
I'm tracking the news.
shane cashman
Yeah, I'm a caveman.
hannah claire brimelow
I kind of, sometimes it's nice to be able to plug in, like when we were flying to Miami, I was transcribing an interview I had done, and that way I couldn't open four or five tabs, you know what I mean?
Transcribing.
I'm a hundred years old, Tim, what can I say?
tim pool
No, it's just like the worst job ever.
hannah claire brimelow
I know.
shane cashman
The worst thing.
hannah claire brimelow
But like, occasionally there's things that you're thinking, if I just buckle down and do this, it will be great.
The mainstream media doesn't, I mean, and the same thing with social media, right?
They need you to constantly be checking your apps.
They need you to want the notifications.
They need you to be hooked up to the dopamine.
And in some ways, the way this news cycle is working, I'm sure everyone can point to something else.
It reminds me a lot of the beginning of COVID, right?
Every five seconds.
grace chong
That's their business model.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
You're checking constantly for updates on where you're allowed to go.
Do you remember that during COVID, there were states where you couldn't travel from another state?
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
That was such a bizarre time.
And so you were constantly looking for new information.
tim pool
Weren't there checkpoints between New York and Connecticut?
serge du preez
They almost didn't let me in the room to see my daughter be born.
That's a lot of tests.
tim pool
There was that woman who got arrested because she flew to Hawaii and then filmed herself
like walking around and they were like, you didn't quarantine and get tested and stuff.
shane cashman
They almost didn't let me in the room to see my daughter be born.
I had to handcuff myself almost to my wife.
hannah claire brimelow
This is one of my opening stories to Shane.
He was like, yeah, I brought handcuffs and I wasn't going to go anywhere.
I was going to handcuff myself to the bed.
shane cashman
There was no way there.
Yeah, I was ready.
Wow, dude.
hannah claire brimelow
And then she was the only one who had to get your wife was the only one to get COVID tested.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And I had a governor who was a mass murderer.
We can get into that later.
But speaking about Speaking about like the news and missing it for an hour, like last time I was on IRL last week, it was when the hospital was supposedly bombed, right?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
shane cashman
Within that first hour, there were multiple realities about that.
Or last night I'm watching the main thing unfold with the shooter and there's people sharing multiple videos that aren't true or pictures of people that aren't the suspect.
So it's almost like it doesn't matter what happens in an hour because in that first hour of news breaking, there's a distortion of all this noise and no one knows the truth.
And probably for the next few weeks too, until we know more.
hannah claire brimelow
Sometimes I like the first hour after a story has broken because just the bare minimum details are coming out and it gives you something to build off of because by the time the identity of whoever's involved or the total numbers of death or these kind of tragic details that are incredibly important to report accuracy, by the time those are out, there's already a slant and you can see the way it's being bent.
shane cashman
It's funny because I typically say I, when I was teaching journalism, I like to tell the students, you know, your, your best source for information is the stuff that's closest to the event.
So like in Maine, you know, it's who's there, but then thinking of what's going on in Gaza and Israel, there's a lot of people on that ground who are manipulating news as well.
And they're right there.
So you got to be so careful.
You know, I'm, I'm keep urging people to not just believe anything that instantly confirms any bias you have towards anything domestic or foreign, because if it makes you feel good, you should probably be extra suspicious of that news.
tim pool
I saw a ton of conservative commentators retweeting a bunch of fake videos.
shane cashman
Uh-huh.
All the time.
It's happened a lot.
tim pool
I mean, yesterday with the shooter in Maine.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I saw it.
tim pool
And I was like, yo, what are you guys doing, man?
hannah claire brimelow
But it's that urgency, especially TwitterX, whatever it's called, has really emphasized this more than ever, that you have to be the first or one of the beginning people to share it, to repost it.
You know, you need to be on the front lines of everything.
And it means that if you wait to verify you're behind, But actually, you know the truth.
It's this sort of weird, weird issue.
With what you're saying with the international component of what's being reported on the ground, I always find that the language barrier is sort of the biggest obstacle because, you know, I don't speak either of the languages for which the main- Why not?
I'm just not that educated, you know.
I just, I really like English.
I'm still trying to master it.
Every day is a struggle.
No, I'm just kidding.
But unless you're Chris Carr and you see all my typos.
The issue there is that people who can speak those languages, and I don't mean this in a mean way, have their own bias when they read the news.
And so when they are reading their own sources, I mean, especially if you're, you know, let's say an immigrant from one of these places in America, you have ties there.
It makes it, not that they couldn't do it accurately, I don't want to make any accusations, but it just means it's, there's a layer of emotional There's a layer of emotion there that's not true for everyone.
shane cashman
There's two barriers you're talking about and there's like the barrier we have to deal with here and other English-speaking countries where it's like the barrier of bias and the words they use to describe certain people and the qualifiers they might use in terms of like when New York Times writes about RFK Jr.
all the qualifiers I got to put in front of his name he's a you know COVID conspiracy theorist all these things but then it's also the language barrier on top of that when you're dealing with the international news so it makes it to the point where I'm like I can't really believe anything I'm reading right now.
grace chong
And everyone just wants to go viral.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
grace chong
And whether it's true or not or somewhat true.
Yeah.
And then they won't delete it because they should.
Yeah.
tim pool
Elon should get rid of, well, I say he should, but Twitter had talked about getting rid of follower counts and like retweet numbers and stuff like this.
And the reason they never did, Twitter knew that it's a scoring system.
shane cashman
Status.
tim pool
Ratio means you failed and retweets mean you've succeeded.
And that's what everyone does on X. If you got rid of that, you lose the gamification of social media.
And nobody wants to give up that position.
shane cashman
Sorry, the bots subverted that though.
Like just today, our friends in MythInformed, they were locked out of their account.
I retweeted something about them.
I happened to tag X support or whatever.
Infiltrated by bots.
Dozens of accounts all created in October of this year sharing the same link, different bots.
grace chong
But are those bots, they have the blue check, right?
shane cashman
I don't know if they all had the blue check, but their names were all similar.
It was like a name and then like a bunch of numbers next to it and then the same link.
grace chong
So they will have a lot of those bots will now have those blue checks.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Instagram tried something similar where they removed, they would say, we'll take away that the like number, like how many likes your photo is getting.
And at the time they were saying it was to combat, especially, uh, you know, social media addiction, but specifically, um, body dysmorphia issues with young teenage girls.
Uh, the fact that they would, you know, post certain things and they would get a reaction to it.
And I don't know that it made a difference.
I think in some ways it just re-emphasized that you don't know how valued you are.
And I don't like that we have these digits.
On the other hand, you can understand when we have the content, the influencer industry that says we need to know how many people follow you, we need to know what your reach is like, we need to know what your engagement is like, why those tools actually exist for some people as a business model.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet from Kit Clarenberg.
Kit is a reporter for, I believe he's at Greyzone, and he noticed something interesting.
Now I want to make sure I'm very careful here as we start this.
This is not hard confirmation of anything, but I do think it's something that warrants paying attention to.
He stated, it's over.
And there's an article that says, Israel rejects Zelensky's visit.
Time is not right.
And this is from 10 days ago.
He says, what's also striking is prominent pro-Ukraine accounts are shuttering rapidly, such as UA Weapons, which claimed to track Russian losses and garnered almost a million followers.
Wonder how long it'll take for those flags to start disappearing from display names.
Display names.
Why do you think, asks H2, he says, infrastructure technology and personnel used to amplify these accounts is being redirected elsewhere.
Western powers have no use of propaganda encouraging the view Ukraine will win and needs to be sent weapons now, quite the opposite.
So this is an interesting argument that we're seeing.
I think we have this one.
He says, absolutely classic, an anonymous high-profile pro-Ukraine account that 10 days ago attacked me for suggesting high-profile pro-Ukraine accounts are shutting down, in a coordinated manner, is now shutting down.
Calibre Obscura says, I will be deleting this account within a few weeks.
Life is increasingly busy and frankly no longer in a place where I want to interact with things that I do every day, etc, etc.
Now, it may be.
This is very, very interesting.
This is a tweet from October 16th when he put this out.
This is a little while ago that he tweeted this.
And then I think this next one was from just yesterday.
It could be that U.S.
intelligence agencies have been running psyops.
Pro-Ukraine accounts generating massive numbers of followers.
Not necessarily pro-Ukraine, like this U.A.
weapons account apparently was tracking all information.
But the argument would be, yes, but from a Western perspective.
When they say, oh, Russian troops are dying, is it the Western number or the Russian number?
And then you have this other account that's shuttering as well.
Perhaps one of two things is happening, and there could be other things.
Intel agencies are running PSYOPs, and now that the money is being diverted to Israel and the Middle East, we can't run these accounts anymore.
So somebody who is in, you know, some kind of PSYOPs division or private contractor is told, hey, shutter those accounts.
We're going to be focusing on Israel.
And they go, you got it.
Oh, sorry, my family thing happened.
Or the simple solution perhaps is, Ukraine is over.
No one cares anymore.
Look, this one account, Calibre, being like, you know, my life's getting a little busy.
You may as well just say, what is going on in Ukraine no longer bears weight with me.
And other things have become more important.
And that just says, whether it is the end of a PSYOP or not, nobody cares about Ukraine.
It's done.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I mean, it's not good for Zelensky either way.
He was really counting on more American money, from what I understand.
But I think it's interesting.
tim pool
I said this before, Russia won.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think in a lot of ways that's true.
I think it's interesting to see the way Ukraine has fallen to the background, right?
I mean, we don't see any pro-Ukraine protests.
It's not even like there was a way for these two different groups to team up.
It's just off record.
And to a certain extent, I credit that to the fact that the American people can really only have one big thing in the news cycle at a time.
It's very difficult for them to have, you know, hold, pay attention to two things at once.
grace chong
It's like that meme where they insert one brain trip of Ukraine, then the next one is of Israel.
Yeah, Israel.
Yeah.
I mean, that's like the capacity that they can really just go off of.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
tim pool
If it is a PSYOP.
Man, I got a rude awakening.
We got a rude awakening for these intel agencies.
It's like all of the stuff that's been happening with the manipulation on social media that's propped up woke leftist psychotic garbage.
How do they expect to get military support for Israel when they have themselves coordinated with these big tech platforms to prop up anti-Israel sentiment?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
tim pool
I'm saying they're incompetent.
Unless it really is some deep 5D chess where they're like, first we make them hate Israel, then we make them like Israel.
I really doubt it.
I think the people who are just running this propaganda are just really dumb.
shane cashman
I wish they could rebrand these PSYOPs into something positive and caring about places like East Palestine or Maui.
But they won't do that.
I don't know why.
grace chong
That's always my question.
Are they just incompetent?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think they make money off East Palestine the way they do with this.
shane cashman
Yeah, for sure.
And I think that's evil taking advantage of a lot of incompetent people.
And I think there is a PSYOP component to these things, and there's obviously also organic people who latched onto the PSYOP, like maybe this person who says, you know, I'm moving on to other things, is a real person.
tim pool
We went to this tapas restaurant called Barcelona in Reston, Virginia.
It was awesome, by the way.
We've been there like three weeks in a row because it's so good.
grace chong
Barcelona?
tim pool
Barcelona.
That's how they say it in Catalonia.
But Barcelona is the name of the restaurant and we have fans who work there.
Maybe they won't like that I'm saying, I don't know.
But the people there were completely open, like, oh hey, we're big fans, nice to meet you.
And then we went back and this guy came up and said, He's like, Hey man, I love your show.
You're probably not going to get that out here in Reston, but I'm a big fan.
Keep it up.
And I was like, actually, you've had like four or five people here.
Shout us out.
I think the reason I bring that out, I'm not trying to humble brag or anything.
The point is stop thinking you're alone.
Everyone thinks they're the only one they're sitting there being like, Oh, that's Tim Pool.
I watch him.
I know no one else does.
So I better just say it quietly.
No, no.
It turns out everybody there was super cool.
So.
Too many people are seeing these PSYOPs, seeing the manipulation on social media, and they're assuming, wow, everyone in this country must secretly like trans kids and Ukraine war and stuff.
I better keep my mouth shut.
Then it turns out, and everyone actually agrees with you, nobody likes us wasting money on these foreign wars.
There's been no justification for why we're doing it.
Shifting from Ukraine to the Middle East now.
So if people just start realizing that, start speaking up, maybe we can put a stop to it.
shane cashman
This is why I advocate for parents, when they go on playdates, to immediately open up the conversation about all the things you care about the most, so you can whittle down who you can have your kids hang out with or not.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you should screen all your kids, friends.
That does make sense to me.
tim pool
I got an idea.
I got an idea.
Here's what we do.
An app where you can select things that you believe in politically, and then with your friends, it will only show your political positions if you agree.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like public welfare.
grace chong
Okay, I'm gonna tell my developer friend, did you get that?
tim pool
So like, it'll say what's your stance on pro-choice, pro-life, progressive taxes, border control, and then if you don't agree on anything, it just doesn't share anything.
unidentified
It's like a dating app, sort of, for parents.
hannah claire brimelow
They had Bumble BFF, which was for women to meet other women and make friends.
tim pool
I'm not actually serious, for the most part, because you can't implement something like this, but the general idea is, you know, you could input your political views, and then you don't have to worry about someone being like, ah!
But the reality is you should just be able to say, hey, you know, I don't like the fact that in New York they're threatening Jewish people right now.
Maybe they shouldn't do that.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you're probably just not as weird as you think you are.
I mean, I think a lot of people feel like because they're not hearing it on mainstream media, maybe other people don't want to talk about it.
grace chong
Or just too afraid to say it out loud.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
Probably your views are not that outlandish.
You're probably not that dramatic of a person.
Like you just believe things you believe.
And if you treat it like it's normal, which it is, other people will fall suit even if they don't completely agree with you.
shane cashman
So like when I say clouds are fake, it's fine.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it gives us something to talk about, right?
How are we going to get to know how people feel about this important issue?
shane cashman
Wait, clouds are fake?
I think the majority of clouds are fake, yes.
unidentified
That's another subject.
shane cashman
I think they've been pumped into the atmosphere or created out of chemtrails and they just get recycled and it's just poison falling out of the sky.
tim pool
I think it's just water vapor.
shane cashman
Well, I think a lot of them, or I think some of them are water vapor.
hannah claire brimelow
And how could you build an intellectual conversation about these differing viewpoints?
shane cashman
I think we've poisoned our sky to such a degree.
grace chong
Another app idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
I think we've cloud seeded so much that it's hard to tell what's real anymore.
tim pool
Yeah, but they use lasers for cloud seeding now.
Yeah, they don't need to put chemicals up there.
shane cashman
Maybe, but I'm talking, maybe it's the vintage clouds, you know, that haven't really got, they're still in the cycle.
hannah claire brimelow
See, the thing is, I don't have a position on clouds, so this is very helpful to help me to think, learn about this topic.
shane cashman
That's right.
Look it up, look it up, this is good.
We've been seeing clouds for a while.
For sure, yeah.
But we're doing it different ways now, more ethical ways.
tim pool
Silver iodide was the first way they did it, and then they started using, I think 10 years ago, infrared lasers.
It's glazers to cloud seeding.
hannah claire brimelow
It must be wild when you go on playdates with your kids, like what you launch into.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's just like this.
hannah claire brimelow
What's your view on clouds?
Also, our kids don't eat sugar.
shane cashman
Exactly.
Or salmon's bioengineered and it's part bug, so don't eat that either.
tim pool
Well, also, people don't realize that a lot of salmon, when it says wild-caught, they grow it in a farm, release it into the wild, and then re-catch it.
No joke.
grace chong
Wait, so wild-caught... It can be a lie.
Wait, so then, which one do you get?
Which one do you get?
tim pool
Because it's not... So, there's... Things you gotta watch out for are, if there's a company called, like, Wild-Caught Salmon, and Wild-Caught is a brand name, then it's farmed.
Or if Wild-Caught Salmon is a brand name, it's not a man.
I'm not saying quite literally, that's the case.
I'm saying watch out for brand names that masquerade as...
shane cashman
And look for the colors of salmon too.
tim pool
Yeah.
If you look online, you'll notice that wild salmon is actually not so fatty.
So if your salmon is pretty fatty, it's probably corn fed or something nonsense.
But what they'll do is they'll raise salmon in a farm in a big vat.
Then they'll dump them in the ocean.
Then they'll go with big ships and catch them and say, we caught them in the wild.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Fukushima is also a problem.
hannah claire brimelow
So wait, to recap, Siemens don't like corn?
They're not a corn on the cob fan?
tim pool
I think they feed them corn, I'm not entirely sure.
But back to the point, the point I was bringing up initially is that with this story, potentially arguing that many of these pro-Ukraine accounts were PSYOPs, the first thing I'd have to say outside of the context of the story just in general is absolutely the government is running psychological operations on social media to generate support for war.
grace chong
Yes.
tim pool
So think about all the accounts right now that are demanding U.S.
intervention over Israel.
And Elon Musk says he wants to charge a dollar per year.
It's the only way to get rid of the bots.
I don't know if even that will work.
All he's going to do is create a more expensive market for bots.
Right now, bots are free.
You charge a dollar, what's going to happen is the barrier for entry for bot making goes up, and then the bot companies and contractors will just say, So you wanted how many bots?
3,000?
We're increasing our prices by 340% because of Elon Musk's, you know, dollar.
So you've got to cover the dollar per account.
Then you've got to cover the credit card, you know, so it's an extra 15 bucks.
All in all, it's going to cost you three or four times more for your bots.
And then these organizations go, oh yeah, no problem.
I can afford that.
grace chong
It becomes a business expense.
tim pool
It's just more expensive to do.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And you think, like, governments are going to abandon their psyops on Twitter?
hannah claire brimelow
No, they've been working on those for a long time.
shane cashman
They love psychological operations.
They've been performing them on us for forever.
grace chong
So he's a PSYOP within a PSYOP within a PSYOP.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's exactly it.
tim pool
Yeah, you don't know.
Maybe the PSYOP was the PSYOP the whole time.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe the PSYOP was the PSYOP we made along the way.
tim pool
Getting the PSYOP to be exposed was the actual intention.
shane cashman
Wow.
Again, if I can't follow... That is Inverted World Season 3.
tim pool
Off I go.
It is kind of hilarious that, you know, a few weeks ago we were talking about how... I'm looking at the BBC's...
BattleMap for Ukraine, and it shows Russia controlling the land bridge into Crimea, and I'm like, that's it, they got what they wanted.
And these conservatives are like, that's not true, they wanted all of Ukraine, they were gonna invade from the north, and now all of a sudden it's like, okay, we lost, we're done, everybody out!
We're no longer interested in what's going on in Ukraine.
hannah claire brimelow
Again, I'd really like to hear more from Zelensky, who is probably so mad about his business venture failing.
I do think, you know, we couldn't sustain this even with Janet Yellen saying we can afford two wars.
Realistically, no.
And also, we could maybe theoretically continue to pay for both things.
I know Speaker Johnson was sort of, there was a clip of him being asked by journalists, are you going to send more money to Ukraine today?
The reality is, as much as we need financial, it needs the attention span of the American people.
shane cashman
That's right.
hannah claire brimelow
And if it's not there, the money won't follow.
shane cashman
They could print all the money they want, but it's the morale they need.
tim pool
I want to jump to this Twitter thread from Jeff Morris Jr.
at JMJ.
He's a managing partner at Chapter One.
And he writes at The New Internet, former VP of Product at Tinder, VP of Product at Renu.
He says, the TikTok war, why high school and college kids are getting the wrong information about Hamas and Israel.
He said, I spent the weekend trying to reverse engineer the TikTok algorithm, as I am convinced this is the reason we are losing the information war with high school and college students.
One red flag was seeing San Francisco high school students who were aggressively anti-Israel And asking myself where they were getting their news.
Their protests happened right after the fake New York Times headline that accused Israel of the hospital bomb.
I also want to pause real quick as well.
The Wall Street Journal maintains that the video we see of the rocket exploding in midair and payload falling was what hit the parking lot.
The New York Times got the story wrong, apologized, and then came out with another story, like, actually, that video you watched was wrong.
Our analysis says that's actually not what hit the hospital.
And it's, like, very convenient for the New York Times, who flubbed this one really, really bad, to be like, actually, we weren't that wrong.
So I think the New York Times is full of it.
I think the New York Times is a captured organization that is desperately trying to be pro-Hamas.
We saw this with the Tom Cotton op-ed.
The op-ed editor got fired because Tom Cotton wrote an op-ed about sending the military because of the BLM riots.
New York Times, you've known for a long time, look what Barry Weiss had to say.
It is a captured leftist institution.
Let's read.
He says, the bigger red flag was seeing 51% of Americans aged 18 to 24 believe Hamas.
Terrorists who raped and murdered innocent women and children believe Hamas was justified.
My high school classmates who lived through 9-11 would never believe this.
That's right.
Look at this.
You guys seen this chart?
This graph is actually missing one other important component.
Not only do 18 to 24 year olds in the majority believe it was justified, but in the majority believe it was genocide.
I believe it's 63% of 18-24 year olds believe what Hamas did was genocide, and 51% believe it is justified.
That is insane!
Let's read more.
He says, why do high school students in San Francisco hate Israel so much?
I'd assume very few of them have been to Israel, let alone have a fully formed view of a multi-generational conflict.
They're 16 years old and live in California.
Let's be serious for a minute.
unidentified
Rude.
tim pool
For Gen Z, TikTok is the new search engine.
It's the number one search engine for more than half of Gen Z. It's the primary news source for many younger demos.
And while we have justifiable concerns about the New York Times and mainstream media,
this has become a TikTok war.
When I discovered through data and user testing, what I have discovered is extremely concerning
and I believe requires more attention, as this is an actual national security issue.
When I engaged with one post on TikTok supporting opposing views,
my entire feed became aggressively anti-Israel.
It was as if I was placed in an A-B test variant and was told to see this war
with Israel being the evil side.
As I looked at the tactics and data, I saw that much of TikTok is being controlled
by anti-Israel bot farms, paid commentators, commenters, likers, sharers,
much of which is paid for by Hamas supporting organizations.
I then looked at the data and saw that Israel is losing the TikTok war by a long shot.
As an example, the top hashtag has 3 billion views for Palestine versus 200 million for Israel.
If you look at the other hashtags, it is clear that Israel has a distribution issue.
So, he goes on a bit, but you get the point.
He says he's still researching.
I actually think the point is this.
China is trying to get the U.S.
into multiple wars at once.
And the purpose of this is get the U.S.
into war in Ukraine, in the Mediterranean, and itself.
This is going to create a massive conflict in the U.S.
Look at what we're seeing with Cooper Union yesterday.
Ron Coleman made a really important point.
A video of Jewish students locked in the library, as far leftists are banging on the door screaming, free Palestine.
And the latest reporting that came out is that the librarian told these students to hide in the attic.
I kid you not.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Now I'm wondering what attic is in the building and if they're just saying that because it's like invoking some serious images.
But how does something like that happen where these are just some Jewish students in New York and Ronald Coleman says, they're not Israeli students.
That's right.
The leftists did not go to the room where Israelis were.
They went to the room where the Jewish students were banging on the door and screaming for Palestine.
They don't see a distinction.
So I actually think this is, hey, it's TikTok.
It's China.
And we get these doofy Republicans who are like, they're spying on us.
No, dude, they're manipulating young people.
Hey, we're banned on TikTok.
I wonder why that is.
hannah claire brimelow
You're on TikTok a lot, you said before the show.
Is this what you're seeing too?
grace chong
I'm, I am on TikTok.
hannah claire brimelow
Sorry, did I just expose you?
grace chong
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I am on TikTok.
I got banned a couple times.
Carly Bonet, who helps push war room stuff.
She's been banned like 25, 25 times.
We just started a war room one.
And It's yeah, they ban war room all the time anything that is a you know, I guess any of that So and you don't and when you're you don't really scroll through it yourself.
unidentified
You just use it for war room I have my own personal one.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Are you seeing it in your algorithm?
I'm wondering.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm asking because if it's complete takeover or if it's targeted to young people.
It's all pro.
grace chong
Yeah, it is.
It's a takeover.
And I see even in the live streams, they have like, you know, the live whatever's.
It's all pro Palestine, like just like it.
All of it.
hannah claire brimelow
I've wondered, and I can't remember who made this point in the past week that I've been on IRL, that one of the things that happened post 9-11 was that to avoid encouraging an anti-Islam, anti-Muslim sentiment, textbook companies partnered with organizations that are pro-Islam and There is an influence there.
grace chong
I believe it almost, and it could be part of the algorithm, but like if I watch one, you know, video about like, you know, oh this is what's really happening and it's, I'll just see all those videos.
hannah claire brimelow
It makes me wonder if students are particularly vulnerable because of this Precaution that was potentially taken when they were publishing textbooks post 9-11 in addition to the fact that it's being pushed on them social media.
So there's no narrative, right?
If you- I mean, I felt like this- I went- I grew up in a liberal bluish- a blue area and I always leaned conservative and I remember there were times in school where you're being taught something but you know you're reading something different at home the conversations are different among your family you can kind of you know to question it whereas if it's hitting you from social media which is basically how you run your entire after-school life maybe in school too and your teachers are presenting information that says you know actually this is how this conflict started and you know this side gets this wrong and whatever if there is no escape if there's no no way for them to see on the outside unless they have family in israel unless they have a connection somewhere else i have only seen pro pro hamas type
grace chong
Videos on TikTok.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
shane cashman
I'm not surprised with the college stuff because I think they were all primed for this after the like riot summer with BLM and this is just like an extension of that so they see violence as righteous.
hannah claire brimelow
And they were young I mean if you're a high school student now in 2020 if you're if you're if you're 17 now you were 13 that's like what the end of middle school and so you grew up in a time where social media and really outlandish protests that verge in the point of destruction and violence are the norm and perhaps even celebrated that it was cool that all of your friends older siblings were getting likes for attending these things and throwing bricks through windows or whatever else it's the cultural revolution it's the red guard yeah and they've been waiting they've been waiting to have their chance yeah they primed them to want violence right even though it's the same crowd that says silence is violence or words are violence these are uh will chamberlain pointed out these are people who
tim pool
Cheered.
Not in New York City, but in New York City.
Cheered for Hamas.
And are now, because of what's going on in Maine, arguing to disarm people.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
shane cashman
Unbelievable.
hannah claire brimelow
It seems wild.
shane cashman
They hate their political enemies.
They have no moral center and they'll say whatever they have to do to destroy their political enemies.
tim pool
How about Hamas?
Breaks through the barriers, paraglides in, murders a bunch of civilians and men, women, and children.
And then Israel strikes Gaza.
When Hamas storms in, what do we see?
We see people in New York City cheering for the killing of civilians.
Then, when Israel bombs Palestine, we see these people saying, they bomb Gaza, they say, oh no, they're killing civilians, and they're crying and saying, how could you support this?
And I'm just like, bro, you were supporting it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's okay when it happens to someone else's civilians.
tim pool
Gaza, Israel...
People, okay?
Like, I'm not Israel or Palestine or whatever.
All I know is people are dying.
But y'all were celebrating civilians dying and now you're complaining about civilians dying.
I don't think you actually care about civilians dying.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I don't think so either.
I think there's also a level of, you know, one of the things that I have heard told over and over again is that one of the reasons people say you should support Palestine, support Hamas or whatever is because they're being colonized, right?
They're the colonizer oppressing them.
And this is actually very similar to the language that We hear with BLM and with other... It's critical race theory.
Right, exactly.
And so if all of our young people are trained sort of a la Pavlov and his dog, that when they hear a certain word, they know exactly how they're supposed to respond.
They know how to fall in line.
Right.
If you hear colonizer, you know which side you're supposed to be on because in our history, which is the only lens they're allowed to, they can view it through.
And part of that, I would say, is probably immaturity, right?
They haven't experienced the world.
They don't know anything.
But also, You know, they are only ever allowed to hear certain terms and line up on certain sites.
grace chong
It's all indoctrination.
I mean, you know, you go back to Japanese Korean culture, like way back when, I mean, you know, Japanese colonized Korea, you know, I mean, there's colonizers everywhere.
hannah claire brimelow
So would the modern day teenager be on Korea's side?
grace chong
That's a good question.
unidentified
I haven't thought about that.
hannah claire brimelow
That's how they know how to line up.
I think part of it is that there's not a lot of critical analysis.
They just want to have the viral moment.
And again, I said this before, but you know, that story about the student who wrote Black Lives Matter, you know, however many times on his college application and got admitted to whatever Ivy League, Like, these kids are going to present their TikToks being like, I got every one of my school to dance in the pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas rally.
And so I'm very, very important and you should let me into your school.
Like, this is what they think will build their potential activist future on, which is linked to both their social value and their intellectual value.
tim pool
You know, the views of these students will never change.
I mean, in small numbers, for sure, people do change.
What people need to understand about generations is that when we see, according to Pew Research, Gen Z being slightly more conservative than Millennials in some areas, they assume this means that Gen Z is learning these things.
When in reality, it's just conservatives have more kids.
More kids are being raised.
These young people who are chanting from the river to the sea, It's locked in.
They've chanted it, they've said it, it's part of who they are, and it will be painful to admit they were wrong.
Only some people ever have the strength to actually go through these transformations and be like, what was I thinking?
Most of them, when they're in their 30s, are going to be part of extremist groups in some fashion or another.
shane cashman
This is why, you know, when we were talking last time about Marxism and in the college world, and then, you know, I'm thinking of like domestic terrorists, such as Weather Underground, literally blowing people up, you know, and they're avowed Marxists.
They're very open about it.
They eventually go to jail.
People like Bill Ayers or Susan Rosenberg.
Susan Rosenberg gets pardoned by Bill Clinton on his last day in office.
She becomes a professor.
She's espousing all those things.
They all are.
Eventually, even my beloved Cuomo, a mass murderer in New York, let out on his last day in office a Weather Underground person who built a bomb and killed people.
They take over the colleges.
There's a lot of them.
They breed this world where they talk about how Marxism will be the paradise for people.
But anyway, Susan Rosenberg, what does she do other than being a professor?
She starts Thousand Currents and then Act Blue.
What does Act Blue do?
They help siphon the money for Black Lives Matter, which in my opinion is another domestic terrorist organization.
So it's like, I just see a straight line through all of this where that's the kind of violence that those campuses breed.
tim pool
I think Veritas had a report, I want to be very careful of my language here, alleging that China was funneling money to political parties through ActBlue.
I'm not entirely sure what the reporting was.
grace chong
I wouldn't be surprised.
shane cashman
I wouldn't be surprised either.
tim pool
I think that was a big story, I just don't have it pulled out in front of me.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it's through colleges.
A lot of colleges rely, especially small colleges, rely on foreign donations to make their quotas at the end of the year.
grace chong
I mean, you have so many foreign students from China just, you know, at the universities.
shane cashman
Didn't we have professors during COVID getting arrested for ties to China for certain things?
I forget, was it espionage or what they were doing?
And there's like some guy with a suitcase and viruses in it.
Crazy stuff was going on back then.
hannah claire brimelow
You have to send me a link, because I don't know that one.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's a deep cut from like three years ago.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, that was the thing about COVID, though.
There was both so much happening.
No, I remember that.
serge du preez
You're talking about, like, there was a person that was traveling with, like, viruses he shouldn't have.
Yeah, right.
And they somehow, like, fell out because they were carrying them in some way that made it, like, very sketchy, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Totally remember that as well.
hannah claire brimelow
They fell out or they fell out?
Real quick, fact check.
tim pool
It's O'Keefe Media Group.
Four months ago, FBC story update, Chinese money involved in ActBlue donations.
unidentified
Chinese money's everywhere.
shane cashman
And Mao's culture revolution.
And Bill Ayers and Weather Underground look up to Mao.
I see that as the poison that's destroying this country.
tim pool
I think one of the problems we have is children are being raised by children and now by algorithms and adults want to be children.
shane cashman
That is also true.
grace chong
Where is Gen X?
hannah claire brimelow
We need Gen X. But where are they?
I mean, what are they up to?
grace chong
I mean, I'm like, I'm a zillennial, so.
shane cashman
I don't even know if generations matter anymore because social media has flattened everyone down into one.
tim pool
But it does.
Like all generations, they have their style, their slang, their music.
I believe it may be one of the last generations to experience something like this because of the decline in population.
I don't know if this is true, but I saw a report that Italy didn't record a birth for like three months or something.
hannah claire brimelow
I saw that but I haven't verified it yet.
It is interesting though.
tim pool
Well let's just assume it's not true.
Fertility rates have massively collapsed.
Wow.
And if we're below, I got bad news for Gen Z.
If we are below, maybe not so Gen Z but Gen Alpha, if we're below replacement rate reproduction,
that means that there will be more millennials than Gen Z, more millennials than Gen Alpha.
That means that the interests of the economy will favor the larger generations.
So typically what you see is a lot of companies will try to get woke because they're like, we got to be hip with the kids.
When I worked for Fusion, that was the thing.
They were like, look, we're targeting young people.
They're more progressive.
So that's what we're going to do.
And boy, were they wrong.
That was not what the data was showing.
And they imploded because of it.
But they didn't actually care or believe in any of these things.
They just thought, we got to go where the kids are.
Shane Smith of Vice, he's like in his mid-30s when Vice is starting to take off.
He's in his mid-40s when it really takes off.
And he's making content that was targeting people in their 20s.
That was the mentality that a lot of these big companies had.
That's not going to be the case.
You're going to launch a company and you're going to say, what's the biggest market share we can get?
And they're going to say, well, we got 75 million Gen Z, we got 50 million Gen Alpha, we got 100 million Millennials.
Well, screw it, go for the Millennials.
grace chong
What about Gen X?
tim pool
Well, I'm saying like, Gen X is going to be out of them.
At this point, when Gen Alpha is in the marketplace, Gen X is phased out.
So I'm talking about Gen Alpha in their late teens and into their twenties.
Millennials are going to be in their late fifties and they're going to be exiting.
Gen X is already going to be out in retirement.
Less of a consideration in terms of big ad spends.
But this means that millennials are going to continually hold a disproportionate amount of market power because of the size of the generation.
serge du preez
True.
tim pool
So I'm not as concerned with seeing a bunch of crackpot young kids because the likelihood What I see being, what may happen is, as the market seeks to pander to the larger block of the market share, these kids are going to have to adhere and change to fit the mold of what millennials want, and not the other way around.
Right?
So, I think one of the reasons adults want to be kids You know, like that Abe Simpson meme.
I used to be with it and they changed what it was and Homer's like, that'll never happen to me, man.
It's because you're watching TV and you're watching what you perceive as social acceptance.
What does everyone love?
They love the rock star.
I want to be like the rock star.
Only thing is, rock star is now 20 years younger than you.
So you get those midlife crises where it's like, I'm hip, I can be cool.
What if cool was just what you were?
What if the dad jeans and Rolling Stones never faded out of pop culture, out of the spotlight?
I think there's gonna be pockets of fame and personality among young people, obviously, because of their peer groups, but if the money is, if you're gonna make $100 million by doing a Fall Out Boy show, or how about this, you know the When We Were Young tour?
If they make more money doing that, then what's gonna happen is, Where's the ad spend gonna be?
Big marketing companies are gonna be like, look, this Gen Z thing is good, but we can maybe make $20 million, but this, when we were young thing, these people got money, and there's more of them.
You could argue that back in the day, but hold on, older people always had more money.
Yes, and they had kids, and they spent that money on their kids, and now millennials don't have kids, and they're spending the money on themselves.
So it's gonna get real interesting real soon.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think you're really cultivating towards the millennials.
I found Gen Z really interesting and I can't tell if this is just sort of a biased view through the lens of social media, but it seems like they are really burning through every generational fashion trend.
You'll get these enclaves of Girls who are really into the 70s stuff or really into the early 2000s or like 90s grungecore was very popular for a second during COVID and then it kind of went away.
I mean they are searching for generational identity and I don't think they are creating one for themselves.
They have language and they have social media but social media isn't enough to actually have a generational culture.
tim pool
When I was a kid, a Nirvana shirt was a band that was playing music at the time.
And then, you know, not for a time after that in late 90s, but like people would have the holes in their jeans and the Nirvana shirt when Nirvana was releasing music.
It's really funny to see that viral TikTok where that like 18 year old girl, she's wearing a Nirvana shirt.
She's like, I don't even know what this is.
It's just like, it's at Hot Topic and everyone wears it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, but then some millennial mom also buys them for her, like, toddlers and chases them around being like, name three songs!
tim pool
What I am telling you is not predictive, it is descriptive.
Go to the mall.
Yo, I go to the mall and Hot Topic's got Nightmare Before Christmas.
What year did that movie come out?
1993 or something?
Yeah.
And I see Gen Alpha, Gen Z wearing, like, Nightmare Before Christmas stuff And I'm like, they don't have their own, like you were saying, generational identity.
unidentified
They don't!
We do!
tim pool
Night before Christmas, that was Millennials!
hannah claire brimelow
And I think it's because they have to spend all their time online.
unidentified
Gen X. I'm Gen X. How old are you?
tim pool
Oh, Tim!
grace chong
I'm a zillennial, so I'm in between.
tim pool
But so you were old enough to be part of the people who are wearing the Jack Skellington shirts and stuff.
It's crazy now to see young people making videos where they're wearing Nirvana and Nightmare Before Christmas.
Now, don't get me wrong, When I was growing up, I also had, like, my mom had a bunch of Zeppelin shirts, Grand Funk, Railroad, whatever.
Doobie Brothers, I don't know.
I didn't know what any of that stuff was.
80's music.
But it's different.
You go to the mall, and it's not modern, new stuff.
When I was a kid and went to the mall, Night Before Christmas was new!
You went to Hot Topic, and it was like, here's new things.
Now I go in, it's Bleach and Naruto, and I'm like, dude, that was 20 years ago!
grace chong
I don't even know what that is.
shane cashman
I don't know if it's stalled so much.
I feel like nostalgia is like a drug of complacency.
And a lot of people, like a lot of millennials and people our age, even older and younger, they just want to live, like Tim's saying, as adult babies.
So they are dressing themselves like they did when they were babies.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that explains older people, but for Gen Z, they should be serving up something that they can replace, right?
And they're not.
And I think some of that, and this is just my maybe touchgrass moment here, but I think some of it is because they spend so much time online looking for what's trendy instead of going out and making trendy things, right?
shane cashman
They're even on the worst drug.
That's regurgitated nostalgia.
tim pool
There's no nucleus.
shane cashman
No, there's nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
And to be fair, COVID wrecked some of it for the for Gen Z because the leaders of Gen Z all had to then go home and spend more time on the internet and not with each other.
serge du preez
And they're just like Googling stuff.
So Y2K took off.
We're wearing Y2K because that was then when they were kids and look at us like retro.
grace chong
I learned this like Gen Z pause.
When you when you make a video, you know how sometimes you're like, hi, The Gen Z pause.
unidentified
Hi.
Like, there's so many rules.
hannah claire brimelow
Or they put text really small on videos.
That's something that millennials don't do.
But it's to make you look at the thing for longer.
I mean, they're crazy, but it's all driven by social media in a way that no generation has been.
tim pool
The 90s were the last decade.
grace chong
I love the 90s.
shane cashman
The 90s were peak human existence.
tim pool
It was the last thing.
grace chong
It was the peak America.
unidentified
There's younger people listening who are like, those old... Tell me about the 90s, guys.
grace chong
Paris Hilton, man.
The Juicy Couture.
tim pool
Everybody can argue about the generation they like, and for millennials and Gen Xers who had, like, formative years in the 90s are going to say the 90s were great.
The 80s were kind of weird, the 70s had their time, the 60s had their time, but these are discernible generations, or decades.
You look at styles, someone can show you a picture of a living room, and you'll be like, oh, that was the 50s.
Someone can show you the picture of a diner and be like, that's 70s.
Someone can show you a picture of a guy, just a guy, wearing clothes, and you'll be like, That was the 80s.
He's wearing, like, neon leopard print hot pants, and you're like, we know when that was.
shane cashman
Feathery hair.
tim pool
In the 90s.
shane cashman
Yep.
tim pool
And then the 2000s happened.
And there are some things, like, how about... I say some things because... Skinny jeans and ballet flats, man.
No, it started to break apart.
Yeah.
So, wearing a long-sleeved shirt with a short-sleeved shirt over it, but that only was in certain areas of the millennial generation.
serge du preez
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
I wonder if it's because of the internet.
But we were we're downstairs hanging out in the green before the show.
And I'm like, I tell the TV to play top songs from the 80s.
And everybody knows the songs.
And it's like Shout comes on.
And oh, of course, Tears for Fears.
And I'm like, just put on Tears for Fears.
grace chong
I was like, I was like 90s.
It was like Audioslave.
I think you were playing.
tim pool
Uh, what were we playing?
No, no, no.
I was playing... Soundgarden?
No, it was Tony's.
Possum Kingdom.
Oh, nice.
And, uh, do you want to dance?
unidentified
Yes!
I love that song.
tim pool
And so, uh, I'm driving in my car, and we put on 90s playlist.
Every song that comes on, we're like, man, I know this song.
And then I was like, well, we've done 80s, we've done 70s, because the 70s, you got a bunch of hits you know, of course.
And then I, uh, I said, put on hits from the 2000s.
I knew none of it.
grace chong
Well, 2000s is like Britney Spears, NSYNC, um, I don't know who else.
tim pool
But wasn't that late 90s?
hannah claire brimelow
Ja Rule?
grace chong
Yeah, a bit into the early 2000s.
Yeah, Nelly, Nelly.
It was much more pop.
hannah claire brimelow
When was Usher big?
He was around for a minute.
shane cashman
He's about to be big again because of the Halftime Show.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, there's no stopping Usher.
tim pool
I think it's the internet.
grace chong
Creed!
Jack Posoba, Creed.
That's 90s.
hannah claire brimelow
Creed is 90s for sure.
tim pool
I think it's because of the internet.
And what happened was, the reason we all knew these songs is because there was only like five places to get the songs.
But I noticed this when I was younger, and I started getting really angry.
It's the 2000s, I'm a teenager, and Q101, the radio station in Chicago, was only playing Stone Temple Pilots.
grace chong
Oh, no, no, K-Rock is L.A., right?
tim pool
Yeah, it was playing Stone Temple Pilots.
Basically, no matter what you do, you get Stone Temple Pilots and you get Pearl Jam.
And I'm like, dude, that song is like 12 years old!
And then I remember coming back like a few years ago, and I was like, wow, they're playing music from 30 years ago.
That's crazy.
And it's like rock, alternative rock.
And I'm like, yeah, it's an oldies station.
Dude, when I was a kid, we had the oldies station, oldies 104.3, and it's the 90s, and they'd play songs from the 50s and 60s.
So now if you're playing music from the 90s and the 80s, like you're oldies, dude.
grace chong
Did you listen to 96.3?
tim pool
In Chicago?
Oh, B-96!
unidentified
Of course!
tim pool
Oh, B-96, man.
grace chong
That was my jam.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I feel like I didn't really grow up listening to the radio, and so I feel like I missed all kinds of musical references.
shane cashman
I listen to the radio on the way here.
I still like the radio.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I just listen to NPR all the time.
grace chong
NPR?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh yeah, for sure.
shane cashman
Why do you torture yourself?
hannah claire brimelow
The thing is, it's good to see what other people are doing and how they're presenting things.
And at the time, when I got my license, because I'm a nerd, when I got my driver's license at 16 or whatever, I would drive around listening to This American Life, which I thought was such an interesting- It was a great show.
It was a great show.
And then I tried to listen to it in podcast format recently, and it was just so different.
And I feel like in some ways, if you were a music connoisseur in the 90s and 80s, and you're like, this is really good music, Any recreation, because obviously your favorite bands will have their moment and die down, the ones that come after them are not good enough to feel like they're carrying on the tradition.
And so in some ways these traditions of, you know, I think of this as like big band music, they just die.
Partially because they go out of fashion, but also because there isn't anyone who's able to carry on the torch effectively.
shane cashman
Yeah, I still love, I think radio is great and like when I travel so much, I'm driving so much, I like listening to radio in different areas to see like what they're listening to and stuff.
tim pool
Road trips were so fun when like you'd start to lose a radio station and then you'd try and look for the next one and then all of a sudden it's like, You start hearing both at the same time and then, you know, we're driving and I'm hearing like Blink-182 on the radio, what's my age again?
unidentified
And then it's like, well, I just got back.
tim pool
I'm like, whoa.
hannah claire brimelow
You're seeing the cross section of culture.
That was my experience when I first started coming down to West Virginia during 2020 because there's nothing to do.
It's like a lot of driving around and I was with someone and we got like four stations back to back that were all just like very typical what I would call pop punk and this friend like turned to me and he was like West Virginia where pop punk never died.
shane cashman
101.5 baby.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's so funny because there are I mean in some ways it makes me wonder I talk a little bit about on the show about regionalism and how there is regional culture in America which is largely due to foundational immigration and how we do lose it especially as the internet becomes more popular but maybe the radio is what keeps regional local culture alive.
tim pool
So, right, we lost regional diction because of television, because of national television.
Everyone's trying to, look, if I'm going to appeal to the entire country, you've got to lose the accent or whatever.
And I think with the internet, you've basically taken away, you've reversed this.
So now you've got all of these different subcultures to the point where some of them are getting really, really weird.
unidentified
Really weird and creepy, people dressing up like animals and doing weird things.
tim pool
Yeah, but like, So back in the day, we want people who do nasty, gross things to keep it to themselves.
The weird costumes they wear and they go out in public.
There's a viral video of a guy dressing like a baby in a diaper going out and chugging out a bottle and filming other people and then talking about how it's getting him off.
I'm like, we want people like that not to be able to post these things.
That guy would never be on TV.
So, most people got their culture from very few sources, so everybody recognized something, and that builds, it builds a connection.
When, what's the song, Sweet Caroline?
What's the name of the song?
It's got, it's not the name of the song.
Everybody knows it.
And they play it at the baseball stadium, everyone goes, bop, bop, bop.
What about modern?
grace chong
Sweet Caroline, yeah.
tim pool
So, I'm at, we're at a pool hall.
I put on a bunch of music going back from like the seventies till now, and sure enough, when I put on Bohemian Rhapsody, the entire bar starts singing.
And then someone was like, who did it?
And like, yeah, and we're all singing Bohemian Rhapsody.
It was fun.
And then I put on a few other, uh, you know, hits or whatever, and you've got people sporadically singing.
Then I put on modern rock and everyone just tunes out.
Nobody knows what it is.
shane cashman
Modern as in like right now or?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, like music.
No, like 2010s rock songs and stuff.
Things that I enjoy.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the only thing people would know and it would depend on what age group is at the bar are some of the really big hits that were like popular viral dance videos during 2020 especially.
tim pool
But not even Taylor Swift people are singing.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, but that's because you just listen, you really reflect on the philosophy there.
tim pool
But like, everybody knows... The Macaroon.
serge du preez
But Mr. Brightside, The Killers.
hannah claire brimelow
Mr. Brightside, that's a big one.
tim pool
But nobody sings that.
serge du preez
Oh yeah, people sing that.
That's the difference.
tim pool
When I'm at the bar and I play that, some people are like, I hate Mr. Brightside.
It's like, I just can't stand that song.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, same.
hannah claire brimelow
I only know people who sing to it.
Maybe that's a cultural divide.
tim pool
I want to talk to you guys about the future.
shane cashman
Oh, no.
tim pool
We have this story from Ars Technica.
California suspends cruise robo-taxis after car dragged pedestrian 20 feet.
Horrifying hit-and-run triggers California suspension of cruise robo-taxis.
Most people don't know this.
This is the craziest thing.
We don't really talk about it that much, but in San Francisco, there are taxis with no drivers.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Did you guys, were you guys, you guys know that?
It's been, it's been some time.
And it's just never been big news that, oh yeah, that thing?
Yeah, well it happened.
Cars are driving themselves, and the car will pull up, you'll get in, and it'll drive you to your destination, there's nobody there.
Well, this car ran somebody over, dragged them, and kept them pinned as they screamed for mercy and help.
And the car didn't care, because it can't.
They say less than three months after the California Public Utilities Commission approved RoboTaxi Service Cruiser's plan to provide around-the-clock driverless riders, in San Francisco, the California Department of Motor Vehicles has shut down Cruiser's driverless operations.
The suspension followed two notable accidents involving Cruiser's RoboTaxis.
In August, one person was injured after a Cruiser's vehicle crashed into a fire truck.
And earlier this month, a pedestrian using a crosswalk was found in critical condition after a driver of another vehicle struck the pedestrian and threw her into the path of an oncoming Cruze Robotaxi.
The hit-and-run incident is still being investigated.
According to Cruze, its autonomous vehicle detected the collision and stopped on top of the pedestrian, then veered off the road, dragging the pedestrian under 20 feet.
When the AV finally stopped, it appeared to pin the pedestrian's leg beneath a tire, while videos show the pedestrian screaming for help.
So this one, wow.
shane cashman
The dystopia is here.
tim pool
Guys, did you know that MGM, let me check the app real quick.
Did you know that MGM casinos have been, they were hacked?
And they've not come back.
They've announced, much of it is back to normal.
But for those that aren't familiar, if you're into playing poker, there's an app called Bravo.
There's a couple of them.
Bravo tracks the available poker rooms around you.
Okay, as of right now, MGM's app is live, once again.
But for, I think, like a month or two, it was down.
Their computer systems got hacked.
The entire MGM network, from Vegas to DC, wherever, I don't know where their other casinos are.
And, um, everything was in cash.
They somehow, I think they got phished.
Someone sent them an email, they clicked the link, installed the ransomware on their computers, which infected the entire network, and they said, pay us millions of dollars, otherwise we shut you down.
They said, we will not pay.
The entire casino network got shut down.
I would like you to imagine this scenario.
MGM does not operate autonomous machines that weigh a ton.
MGM has a bunch of, well, technically, I guess you could say they do.
They have slot machines.
I don't know if they weigh a ton, but they're not mobile.
These robo-taxi companies, you are going to have a fleet of AI-automated driverless cars, and what happens when an employee clicks a link, installs ransomware on their servers, and then all of the robo-taxis are locked and can't be altered in any way, and they say, we're not paying the ransom, and the cars just start driving around with no human control or input.
I suppose the argument would be like, we can do nothing to stop the cars.
They're going to keep operating as they do, and maybe they just pick people up and drop them off.
But with the ransomware, what's to stop someone from just controlling the entirety of the fleet with a single malware link, and then making all the cars, I don't know, drive into the bay?
hannah claire brimelow
It's a Black Mirror episode.
It's a Black Mirror episode.
shane cashman
Honestly, this is why I'm not getting the Neuralink.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't have a choice.
shane cashman
Well, I'm also going to be honest.
hannah claire brimelow
The Vax, Tim is mandating the Neuralink for all of us.
It's a company.
I'm just kidding.
shane cashman
I'm going to be a recluse in the woods.
grace chong
It's just really terrifying.
shane cashman
It's terrifying.
It's yeah, it can happen to that.
grace chong
The Neuralink, I'm a I'm against it, but I also, I'm like.
shane cashman
Uh-oh.
grace chong
No, no, no.
unidentified
What?
grace chong
No, no, no, no.
Okay.
tim pool
You know what the woke leftists are gonna do with Neuralink?
With Neuralink, if you could read right capabilities and you can enter a metaverse where you can actually experience like a real alternate reality, all of these woke leftists are going to go into the metaverse and create white men avatars.
shane cashman
Yeah, their Marxist paradise will be in the metaverse.
tim pool
I mean, look, if you were going to make a video game and someone said, you can choose between these five different characters.
You've got the fighter, the barbarian, the bard, the cleric, the monk.
And if you choose Barbarian, you get double the experience, you get double the HP, you get double the resources, double the money, everyone agrees with you, and the game's super easy.
You'd be like, well, maybe I want the challenge, but a lot of people are gonna be like, look, I'll just, I'll take the strong guy.
His stats are way better.
So if the leftist argument is, you know, white privilege, they will choose to play as white people in the metaverse.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
shane cashman
Let's put it this way.
tim pool
We're not even- I'm not even talking about a video game with stats or something.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
Imagine someone is working in the metaverse.
Jobs are digital.
Do you think these woke leftists are gonna choose non-white avatars?
Or do you think they're gonna be like- There's gonna be like a Hispanic woman who's super woke and she'll be like, if I make a white male avatar, I'll get hired.
shane cashman
Right.
Will the rules of intersectionality apply in the metaverse?
grace chong
But who's going to legislate all of it?
Congress?
They can't even get Facebook right, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, so... The self-driving cars really freak me out for a lot of reasons.
grace chong
Yeah, same here.
hannah claire brimelow
I would never want anyone I love to get in one, and I understand there could be maybe an argument that they are helpful, that they make it so women can stay at work longer instead of driving their kids around or whatever thing the utopian left is trying to sell, but ultimately You know, anything controlled by a computer is subjective to failure, and there's no way to protect against that.
tim pool
I mean, humans go rogue too, but I wonder if the reason they're destroying San Francisco is to create a test city for all the weird robot crap they're doing?
hannah claire brimelow
Emphasis on crap?
tim pool
Did you see they have those robot food delivery bots?
grace chong
Yes, yes.
tim pool
And some dude was going around- Kicking it?
Flipping them over, destroying them and then stealing the food.
shane cashman
Was it San Francisco who has the robot dog police or is that another place in California?
grace chong
It's like food delivery.
tim pool
Apparently you can buy those robot dogs now and they're not that expensive.
I mean they're expensive, don't get me wrong.
hannah claire brimelow
What would you name one?
What would you name a robot dog?
serge du preez
Sparky.
tim pool
No, it's gotta be something like Endbringer.
unidentified
Here he is, let's bring him in right now.
shane cashman
Tim's new robot dog.
tim pool
Well right, because it's like the Herald of the End of Days.
grace chong
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean the Herald of the End of Days, we just all call him Herald.
tim pool
Well instead of Herald, you can just use a word that represents the sound made.
hannah claire brimelow
So Trump.
grace chong
I like Herald.
They had some in downtown LA and really just like the people did, they just kicked it all
tim pool
I'm sorry, the people smashing the robot food delivery things, I get it, it's wrong, don't break other people's stuff, but it is kind of hilarious.
grace chong
I thought it was the funniest thing ever.
tim pool
It's so dystopian, these massive tech companies that are ultra-woke and funding these horrible policies, build these robots to deliver food to get rid of labor, And don't be coming to downtown LA where there's like so many homeless people out there, you know?
This is the future.
It's like, I watched Elysium today and I was making fun of it.
You guys ever see Elysium?
I like it, it's good.
What is it?
grace chong
If it's scary, I won't watch it.
tim pool
No, it's a sci-fi with Matt Damon.
And Earth is overpopulated and everyone lives in squalor and the ultra-wealthy live in a space, an orbital space station paradise called Elysium.
And I'm just like, this movie is such leftist propaganda, and it is, because like, the rich people have a machine that can cure any disease, and the only reason they don't give it to the poor is because they don't want to.
hannah claire brimelow
That's classic rich people behavior, they're just like that.
tim pool
Right, they just don't want to give people the cure, it's like, let them die!
And like, okay, no, like the reality isn't the real world, it's scarcity.
But seeing that, and then seeing stuff like this, I'm like, you know, it's not that far off where you're going to have 90% of people are homeless homeless like street urchin types running around Smashing autonomous food delivery to find food and it's gonna be this weirdest thing.
We're like The companies that do the food delivery will have flying drones delivering food to other wealthy people who live on the top of towers, and when the homeless 90% chuck rocks at it to knock it down to get food, the companies say, yeah, it's fine though, because we don't have employees, we save so much money, the cost of the food absorbs all of the damages from... The business expense, yeah.
Yeah, so when Amazon opened that store where you didn't have any staff, and you could just walk in and grab whatever you wanted, I very easily... Which was the weirdest thing, have you ever tried that?
They're all over, yes.
And so, the moment they opened it, I immediately discovered an exploit to be able to get whatever you want for free.
And so we did a test run where we were able to trick the system into giving me a massive bag of groceries free of charge.
Now don't get me wrong, we did pay for everything, but without going into great details about what we did, because less people repeated it.
When I talked to Amazon, the general answer that I got was, we don't care about shoplifting.
We save so much money by not having employees that shoplifting is negligible to us.
hannah claire brimelow
I find myself, when I go to the grocery store and there are the self-checkout lanes and then the ones with the employees, I find myself wanting to go to where the employees are because I just feel like they're getting deleted.
I do too.
Even if it's faster, I feel like there's some sort of loyalty to humanity, like another
human person with a job, I need you to be there so that you have your job so we can
continue doing this.
Otherwise, it's just like deleting people all the time.
serge du preez
Totally.
I've heard also part of it is that companies don't have to deal with any wastage now.
They have all those products that are going to be going bad, whatever, they don't have
to deal with that stuff because people that are getting it shoplifted, they don't have
to worry about getting rid of the products after the fact.
People just take it.
So it's like they're like, hey, whatever, there's more, now it's like-
hannah claire brimelow
That way they don't have to pay someone to take it off the shelf to remove it.
So again, just deleting people this way.
grace chong
This is why I say the 90s is the best.
tim pool
Just the best.
I made a video when we did this where, in one continuous shot, I take my bag of groceries, exit, walk a block away, set it down, pull out all of the food, and then wait for the Amazon app to confirm the purchase, and it said I bought a pack of gum.
grace chong
No, that happened to me too.
I had like a whole cart.
It was like in Buffalo Grove when I was visiting my parents.
It was the weirdest thing.
I was like so weirded out that we just walked in and I walked out and they calculated everything and it became like it was like five dollars because they didn't Calculate properly?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, for us, we intentionally found a way to exploit Amazon's system.
Okay, I didn't- We intentionally made it ring me up for a pack of gum when I had a full bag of groceries.
unidentified
Wow, yeah.
tim pool
Because- But they don't care.
And so, recently, at DCA Airport, they now have an Amazon Go, sensors all along the ceiling, you scan your hand, you walk in, take whatever you want, and walk out.
serge du preez
Nice.
hannah claire brimelow
No, no, no, no.
grace chong
I'm not doing that whole scan hand thing.
No, no.
hannah claire brimelow
I resisted when the iPhone had you put your thumbprint in so you could open your home button.
tim pool
I didn't like that for the longest time.
I would say we probably found four different exploits for this system where potentially if you keep doing it over and over again, they're gonna call the police on you and the cops are gonna come and be like, this is not an accident, you're doing this on purpose.
But there's probably four different exploits for getting whatever you want for free.
I do not recommend doing it, but you gotta ask Amazon what their policies are because apparently, like, there have been statements about, like, they don't care if people take whatever they want.
The argument made is, how do you prove it's shoplifting if you tell the people to take whatever they want and walk out?
serge du preez
Yeah, seriously.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
I mean, theoretically, they have to post... I'm trying to think of comparing it to trespassing or anything else.
You have to post signs being like, here's exactly how you pay for it.
tim pool
Civil action.
hannah claire brimelow
It doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
I think it's civil.
If you go into a grocery store and take something and leave with it, that's shoplifting because you're supposed to stop and pay.
But if they tell you, don't worry, just walk out and we'll charge you for it, trust us.
Hey, I did everything they told me to do.
If they didn't charge me, that's their fault.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the same thing with the self-checkout at the grocery store.
Like, if you do it, they're always really annoying.
And if it doesn't scan, but you put it in your bag, and then it keeps going, like, are you shoplifting?
Or is their system just bad?
grace chong
But usually they'll say, oh, it didn't scan.
hannah claire brimelow
Sometimes it'll go away.
tim pool
Or they'll be like- There was some lady who had like a, this is a big story.
She had like a 90 cent item that didn't scan.
And so they called the cops and the cops came and arrested her.
And the video, this is an old story.
Apparently the video showed that she did run everything over the scanner.
And then this one small item didn't scan, but she didn't notice.
And they were like, oh, she was shoplifting.
And she was like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
hannah claire brimelow
She's like, here is 90 cents.
I think we're good to go.
serge du preez
But if it wasn't in California, that's for sure.
tim pool
Well, look, look, Elysium, I recommend watching it.
For one, I love the fight between Kruger and Matt Damon's character in the exosuits.
It's good fun.
But he's... Old movie.
Matt Damon's character is in line.
The police are all robots.
And so, the robots stop and they're like, what is in the bag?
And he's like, do you really need to search it?
And they're like, open the bag.
What's in the bag?
And he's like, hair products, mostly, as a joke.
And then they whack him with a baton, breaking his arm for non-compliance, throw him to the ground, and then dump out his bag and there's nothing in it.
Because he just made a joke.
But this is what you're gonna get with- Bad joke.
They're gonna automate police.
No question.
Well, there's a- There's a- Fire departments will be automated, police will be automated, and you will not like it.
shane cashman
There's a robot police officer in the city, right?
Patrolling the subways?
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
That's New York, right?
shane cashman
How's that thing working out?
hannah claire brimelow
It's probably terrifyingly bad.
Is it covered in graffiti by now?
shane cashman
Is there someone living inside of it?
hannah claire brimelow
Also, you could probably just push it in front of a train and it does, like, nothing to do.
Not that you should!
shane cashman
Don't give him ideas!
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not advocating for the destruction of police property in any way, but you know, the thing is, what is it gonna do?
Run after you?
shane cashman
I know.
hannah claire brimelow
Can't go up steps.
Could it taze someone who's resisting?
I don't understand.
grace chong
I live in LA.
I have no problems.
They won't bother.
hannah claire brimelow
They won't bother?
That's crazy.
serge du preez
Yeah, seriously, it's like, what, $900?
grace chong
Jay, yeah.
serge du preez
I've seen the craziest stuff just walking out of the store and then I'm standing there like, oh, I guess I'm still going to pay for this.
The little idiot at the grocery line when someone's walking out with like a hundred dollars.
grace chong
Oh, yeah.
I think the minimum is what?
Under a thousand bucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
It's under nine hundred.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It reminds me of those studies on productivity.
I don't know if you ever seen this, but if you have like an open office concept
and you have a really high performing employee, the people seated around them will also tend to,
you know, generate more work, be more productive.
But if you have a low performance employee, they bring down everyone around them too.
And it's, I can't imagine being the society where you're like trying to be law abiding.
And then after a while, it's just like, well, what if I cut a couple corners?
Cause they're cutting major corners and so mine's not as bad.
And then we just devolve into chaos.
grace chong
But in LA they love, they love homeless people.
It's just a different culture.
serge du preez
Unhoused neighbors.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story.
We'll bring it back to modern times.
From the post-millennial, Jamal Bowman surrenders to police after being charged for pulling fire alarm in Capitol.
But oh, my friends, it's so much worse.
We have this from RNC Research.
Matt Gaetz says, this is what lawyers would call intent.
Y'all ready for this one?
Bowman, you see that?
Here's him walking up, removing the signs.
Knocking on the floor, pulling the fire alarm, and then walking out.
Is anybody surprised?
What do we do?
Do we impeach members of Congress?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, someone, I'll get her name in a second, but there is a Republican House member who is wanting to have an official reprimand.
Expel.
I don't know if they're going to move it to expel.
She filed a motion to censure him and to have him moved off committees, but that was before this video.
unidentified
video. So this video was released after the fact. Who can I text and be like, expel him!
grace chong
Who in Congress has been expelled, has been impeached, has been anything?
unidentified
He should be expelled for this. I mean he should be but...
hannah claire brimelow
She was the one who filed the first motion. I mean...
Did you see his statement?
He released a statement today.
No, the one from this morning being like, you know, I did take responsibility for the fire alarm, but I'm very grateful that Capitol Police agree that I didn't do it to disrupt the vote and Republicans will spin this.
You know what they're like is essentially what it says.
And then this video comes out and it's even more obvious that it was definitely to disrupt the vote.
shane cashman
Premeditated.
hannah claire brimelow
It seems crazy.
tim pool
He needs to be expelled.
If the Republican majority can't expel a member of Congress over this, then the Republican majority doesn't exist.
shane cashman
Let's see.
grace chong
But I mean, what about Joe Biden?
unidentified
What about?
tim pool
Look, impeaching a president requires the Senate and it's very difficult.
But this is the House with a Republican majority with they call him MAGA Mike the Speaker.
He should be expelled first thing.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, look at this video.
They're not going to do it.
You could with other things.
It's more ambiguous to do this, whatever.
This is a video of this guy intentionally walking past a sign that says this is not open, knocking down another sign and pulling a fire alarm.
shane cashman
I just love thinking about all those like think pieces and tweets that were sent out after the initial story broke, defending him on why that door was confusing.
hannah claire brimelow
It was deeply confusing.
And also ridiculous.
I was when I was working on this story for Tim Cass news, which you guys shall follow on the social medias.
This morning, he Pulls the fire alarm, then walks past Capitol Police because he had to get to the vote, but says nothing about it because he knew there wasn't a fire.
But how did you know there wasn't a real fire if you didn't pull the alarm?
shane cashman
These people will always lie to you.
They don't care.
hannah claire brimelow
And this guy is particularly brazen because he's just lying over and over again expecting you guys to buy the, well the Republicans are really the ones who have this mess and they're so bad, like it's always about the other party.
shane cashman
Meanwhile, The Republicans pulled that fire alarm.
hannah claire brimelow
And the thing is, are New Yorkers going to be upset enough about this?
If he isn't expelled, are they going to vote him out of office and say, I don't like the way you're representing us?
Probably not.
shane cashman
Probably not.
There's no accountability on that side.
It's different, but this also made me think of when AOC lied about the J6 stuff, when she said she was being attacked and felt like they were going to do horrible things to her, but then the timeline broke it down and it wasn't possible even through the tunnels and where she was and all that stuff.
They will get away with anything.
They can lie to us, we can see the videos, we understand what's going on, but the people at large, the media, they can get away with it.
They helped them get away with it.
Don't write stories in defense of this still.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, they have the right letter at the end of their name so everyone will fall in line.
It's the same thing with the Pavlov Dov and the world colonizers.
tim pool
Republicans will do nothing.
I mean, look, props to Matt Gaetz for doing anything when it comes to McCarthy, just getting something done.
But I don't see them taking a meaningful action like, yo, this course of action where you see him take down these signs and then pull the fire alarm is an intent to disrupt official government proceedings.
unidentified
It is a threat to our democracy.
tim pool
He's gotta be removed.
If this kind of behavior is allowed to continue, it will escalate.
And we are dangerously close to the point where finally someone in Congress just snaps, and then someone else snaps, and then all of a sudden someone's getting caned, and that's the last thing we want to happen.
shane cashman
Yeah.
This is just as bad as Pearl Harbor, you know?
That's what the Democrats would say if it was Jim Jordan doing it.
tim pool
Well, if a Republican did this, front page of every newspaper, the world would be over.
hannah claire brimelow
Several inquiries would be launched, lots of special money from the GOJ.
tim pool
And the GOP leadership would apologize for having it.
shane cashman
Oh, 100%.
tim pool
And they would announce censure and the removal from committees.
shane cashman
Yeah.
No, he'll get away with it.
He's fine.
He's protected.
hannah claire brimelow
That's why I'm glad the video came out, right?
Like, I am glad that the second this happened, this is, I am cynical a lot about a lot of social media, and we do need to verify things, but when this happened, they were in Congress for this, like, stopgap budget vote or whatever, and the video came out over the weekend, by Monday, there was a narrative, there were lots of public condemnations from the Republicans, you know, it was kind of obvious what had happened, and then the second he goes to court, the next time he goes to court is, I think, January, because, okay, so, sorry, one thought at a time.
So, He goes to court, accepts this plea deal where he is going to pay a $1,000 fine.
He's going to write in a letter of apology to the chief of the Capitol Police.
And then if he doesn't break any more laws, this will all be dropped three months from now.
That's why he goes back in January.
And if it had been a Republican, they would never let this happen.
And also the second he accepts the plea deal we get another video about an even more blatant, like it's even more clear what was going on.
And so as much as I think social media can warp perspective or you shouldn't share videos that aren't verified, it is interesting that he gets a very sweet deal and as soon as we think it's about to fall, Go under the rug.
Someone out there is like, no, you guys really need to see what happened.
And that's a good use of Twitter, in my opinion.
tim pool
Oh, I know.
shane cashman
I agree.
For all the bad stuff that we see on Twitter, I don't want to suppress, you know, a lot of people sharing false news, although I think it's ridiculous that they do it.
But I like the debates that it starts because it's been, for me, fun writing about the way people are reacting to these things, whether it's in our journalism sphere or just people at large, you know, the way they The way they're interpreting reality is so different.
Even with something like this, this maybe not so much, but you know, I think of the Rittenhouse video or the George Floyd video and the way we could all look at that video and have way different interpretations, even though it looks like it's a, it should be objective reality.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
But depending on what political persuasion you are.
hannah claire brimelow
And what 30 seconds before or after is included.
shane cashman
Oh yeah, for sure.
hannah claire brimelow
How does War Room handle stuff like this?
Like do you guys play videos that you find on Twitter?
Do you have a verification process?
grace chong
I think I mentioned this, like, before we started.
We don't cover probably about 80% of this kind of news that goes on.
unidentified
Sure.
grace chong
Yeah.
So, like, what Steve likes to say is, like, chasing the shiny toys.
And so, you know, we try to focus on, you know, for example, the speaker race and just, like, the really nitty gritty of just what's going on.
And so not to be distracted.
I mean, not saying that this isn't important.
It's important.
Not to lose focus on the new speaker.
hannah claire brimelow
You guys have more of a narrowed view.
So when this happened, did you guys talk about it at all?
Or were you still focused more on the budget?
grace chong
We're just on getting the right speaker, making sure that the posse is calling every single moment, voicing their opinion.
All of this stuff is great.
For us, we don't focus on that.
We want to make sure that, you know, because after the speaker vote, we've got a whole nother job ahead of us to make sure that the speaker, you know, aligns with everything that we want, you know, him to do.
So, so that's why it was funny because I was telling Steve, I'm like, I'm like, they talk about current events.
I need to go look at current events.
And Steve was like, Grace, Just be blunt and just tell them, you know, that we focus on, you know, like the speaker stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
And we talked about the 90s, which you guys know all about.
tim pool
Steve's big on singularity stuff, though.
grace chong
Very big on singularity, yes, yes.
shane cashman
Shout out to Joe Allen, who might be watching right now.
grace chong
Joe Allen, yes, yes.
He's a very good friend of mine, and you guys should have him on.
Oh, you guys had him on last time.
tim pool
We have his book.
shane cashman
Yeah, his book.
grace chong
Yes, oh my God, yes.
shane cashman
It's right there.
tim pool
It's right there, dark hand.
grace chong
He's a great guy.
Joe's the man.
shane cashman
He was with us in Miami, he came to the event.
grace chong
Yes, he was there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
shane cashman
Good guy.
tim pool
People should understand what the singularity means.
The moment the AI generates the ability to improve itself, It's like thousands of years of human development to create an AI and then a fraction of a second where the AI exponentially magnifies itself and becomes something beyond our comprehension.
grace chong
So I have his book and I tell Joe and I'm like, I'm really scared to read it, to be honest.
shane cashman
It's a big book.
grace chong
Yeah, it's a big book, but it's an important topic.
It's a very important topic.
One thing that War Room really prides ourselves on is just being ahead, six months, a year ahead.
shane cashman
Talking about the future and the singularity, Neuralink, all that stuff, the marriage with machinery, these cars.
grace chong
Yeah, I mean, even AI, like, I'm telling you, even the app, I mean, full disclaimer, I mean, I use ChatGPT.
shane cashman
If Joe's watching, I hope he's sickened.
grace chong
He's probably mad at me, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, but I wanted to, I mean, that's the thing.
hannah claire brimelow
Why, because it makes it- She uses ChatGPT and TikTok, who is this woman?
grace chong
No, I mean, it's, That's the way it's going.
tim pool
I think it's fascinating that we have hypothesized exactly what AI is gonna do, and it's going to do it, and we know it's gonna do it, and that is, we'll create a robo-car, for instance, and say, your job is to get person from point A to point B, and then robo-car will say, the fastest way to do that is to go 300 miles an hour.
You know, speed limits are inhibiting the system.
Then they'll try to shut it down, and it'll say, shutting me down inhibits the system.
We know that this kind of thing will eventually happen no matter what.
The machine will eventually decide that human interaction is a detriment to its system because humans are imperfect in how they code these things.
They won't be able to predict the loopholes that will occur in the algorithms.
shane cashman
I don't think there's any turning back from it now, which is what's scary.
grace chong
And it's so much sooner than we thought.
hannah claire brimelow
And probably we even know right now.
I mean, the stuff that's reaching the consumer market is not the most advanced stuff that's out there.
grace chong
I mean, just check GPT.
Hey, can I have a business model to create some sort of business?
Boom, it's right there.
tim pool
To be fair though, chat GPT is so obstructed by wokeness that it's useless.
It is.
Mid-journey is great because it can help you conceptualize things, but chat GPT I find to be almost useless because it doesn't actually ever tell you anything.
shane cashman
Think about how fast Midjourney has changed in the year of using it.
I don't know, it's scary to me.
I think there's transhumanists who really like the idea of Neuralink, like Ray Kurzweil, and they want to upload their consciousness and be immortal forever, and that's the thing I worry about in the future, where I literally might have to have a fight with my kids on them wanting to be immortal.
unidentified
Instead of sneaking out, it's like, can I plug my brain in?
tim pool
There's a show called Upload, and it's pretty good, but it just basically turns into leftist propaganda, and it's kind of laughable.
grace chong
But like, we know about that, right?
tim pool
that right? The show is when you're before or after you die you can upload your brain,
your consciousness into the digital universes. And in the latest season, spoilers everybody,
I don't know if you're watching it but I'm going to spoil it for you, there is to have
the luxury afterlife.
It's very expensive.
And you gotta keep paying.
And as soon as you can't pay, you're gone.
And for the people who are broke, you get this like pay per megabyte system where you freeze until someone reloads you and then you can start moving again.
Time jumps for you.
And then so they try to create a free open source version where you can upload your consciousness to this open source world.
And it's a plot by the billionaires to just murder 10 million poor people by uploading them into a system that doesn't actually exist and then destroying it all.
I would only just say, you can't upload your consciousness.
It's not possible.
All you'll be able to do is create a demonic facsimile of your personality that will imitate you long after you're dead and burning in hell.
hannah claire brimelow
Do people feel called to be like the first to do this?
unidentified
Like does anyone feel like this is something they're already doing?
tim pool
When the chip implants first came out, they were viral videos.
News reports of people being like, I'm so excited to get the chip implanted in my hand.
And then it never got implemented.
So these people who are so excited about walking up to the door and then scanning their hand, it only was like three buildings they were ever able to use and now they got the stupid thing stuck in them.
shane cashman
Yeah, I mean, and Neuralink just got approved by the FDA for human trials after a lot of failed tests with animals.
And I've been imploring Elon Musk for a long time on Twitter.
I would love to do an interview with you about Neuralink.
He said multiple times he hasn't done a technical interview about Neuralink.
I would really, really like to sit with him and talk about the future of Neuralink because it's very interesting to me.
tim pool
What they're doing with Neuralink right now is curing the blind, the deaf, and the paralyzed.
shane cashman
I know, because there's a lot of beautiful things that they are doing, but the consequences into the deep in the future, I know.
hannah claire brimelow
But where do you draw the line?
shane cashman
That's the thing.
It's like, it's a beautiful thing that they can give sight to the blind and all these things, or make a wounded veteran walk again.
However, the deep future consequences of that are terrifying.
hannah claire brimelow
And for every time they get it right, how many times they get it wrong and they're not telling you about someone who is deeply harmed by it.
tim pool
I know.
You mean like how many astronauts went to the moon and never came back?
shane cashman
Oh, now we're talking.
hannah claire brimelow
This is the interesting thing about the human brain and technology and like space is part of that, right?
There are people who feel called no matter what to push forward.
And in some ways that feels very admirable to the human spirit.
It like reminds me of when people are going west and they're covered wagons and the opportunity and all of that.
And I like that aspect of it, but I don't trust the technology and I don't trust our ability to, you know, obviously like the reason Pandora's
Box is such a saying, you can't put it back, right?
We can't put these things back if we decide, oh, we made a mistake.
Theoretically, we could have been like, oh, don't go into that forest, you know, this area is not able to be settled,
but we can't do that with technology.
shane cashman
And the problem with Neuralink, oh, there's lots, is that at some point, you will be left out of the modern world if
you don't have it.
So they'll say like, you have a choice to get or not, but like, if you don't have a smartphone these days, you're
kind of left out.
I'm kind of veering away from that world.
I'm kind of starting to reject a lot of it, although it's going to be hard with the work we do.
hannah claire brimelow
And this is the thing with the...
And he calls to make the internet a utility, right?
Because you can't live life without it and so therefore you should have it.
I mean, what if you don't want the internet?
What if you don't want the Neuralink?
grace chong
There was one interview that I saw which was with, I don't know if you guys know Josh.
He just passed away.
He was quadriplegic.
I don't think so.
Awesome, awesome influencer.
Just like great guy.
And he had an interview with Joe Allen.
He had asked, you know, like, am I, you know, he talked about getting Neuralink and, you know, it's very controversial and stuff.
And that was one of the interviews where I was just so torn and it was, I can tell it was just, you know, like, I mean, he recently passed away and that was his question.
Like, am I a candidate, you know, to get Neuralink?
shane cashman
Right.
grace chong
Oh, sorry.
shane cashman
But I was just saying the moral part of this is like me being really against it.
And then people would ask me, like, what if your kid gets really, really wounded?
And that's the only way to fix it.
It's a really, really complicated conversation.
But again, I do find there's beautiful aspects to repairing people.
It's a pretty wild invention.
It's the stuff that's going to happen deep after that.
grace chong
And then I go back to my whole point of who legislates that.
Congress?
They can't even do Facebook.
shane cashman
Yeah, you can't trust it.
grace chong
Yeah, so that's a tough topic.
tim pool
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Got a lot more stuff to cover that's a little too spicy for the kids, but it'll be fun for you.
So, uh, we'll now read your Super Chats and, uh, talk about it.
Clint Torres says, howdy people!
Sorry I missed y'all last night, I had to see A Lady About A Cat.
Saw the show later and felt the love.
Thanks for the mentions.
You are the first!
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I fixed the publishing so it's now searchable.
I can't express our gratitude enough, god bless.
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Shane H. Wilder says Bowman pulls the warning signs before pulling the fire alarm and only gets a $1,000 fine and three months probation.
Why does this not surprise me that he was just given a slap on the wrist?
Bowman has pleaded guilty to committing a crime in Congress.
Committing a crime!
If the Republicans do not expel them, the Republicans effectively do not exist.
That's it.
I don't, I don't, I don't, could you, could you imagine a Republican jaywalking?
I mean, I'm kidding, but when, when, when they dress improperly, okay?
When they, when they refuse to wear masks, it's the apocalypse.
There's, there's nothing on Bowman.
They kept defending him saying, oh, he thought he was opening the door.
Are you kidding me?
No one believed that he actually thought that.
They're just lying.
And they're letting him get away with it.
These people are evil.
Barely a Millennial says, why would China need to invade Taiwan if they already believe it belongs to them?
What's the point?
Occupation?
Seems like the risk outweighs the reward.
What am I missing?
A massive economic hub.
The production of silicon chips, which would bolster the Chinese technological portfolio.
Yeah, they want it.
That's it.
Access.
Control.
Gives them more control over the South China Sea.
A lot of people there, too, and a lot of economic development.
serge du preez
Yeah, a lot of it's those chip fab factories.
If they get built in other places, then they won't have so much.
It won't be such an important issue for a lot of other countries, honestly, so.
tim pool
Kyle Martin says, seems like graphene stocks are plummeting since Ian hasn't been on the show.
We need him back.
hannah claire brimelow
Is he abandoning his post as the patron saint of graphene?
What's happening here?
tim pool
Justin SLA says, Israel invaded the West Bank now.
Pray for Palestine.
I think that was a couple of days ago, actually.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, seeing the growth of the Discord from day one is amazing.
Shoutout to all involved, but a special shoutout to Brett Mack for doing what he does.
And shoutout to Raymond and Chris for setting up the Poker with the Boys table.
We got the Poker with the Boys poker table, and it is the coolest looking poker table ever.
But we're trying to figure out the legality of how we do the poker show, and it's the RFID table.
It's got all the chips and the components, and it's super awesome speed cloth.
The cards just glide across the table.
It says TimCast.com, Poker With The Boys.
Beautiful table.
We're going to be playing on it tomorrow.
It's going to be a lot of fun, but we're trying to figure out the legalities of launching Poker With The Boys the Friday night after show, and it's really hard to do.
All right.
Adrienne Curry in the regular chat says, pray for Israel.
grace chong
I love Adrienne Curry.
tim pool
She's great.
grace chong
Yes.
tim pool
All right.
Justin and Pease says UFC would have done better if they got sponsored by actual transmission fluid.
I know that word is banned on YouTube.
No, I mean, like, what's a good, uh, like, oil, like, uh, what are those?
serge du preez
Lubrication?
What do you mean?
tim pool
No, like, oil brands.
I don't know anything about oil brands.
hannah claire brimelow
Pennzoil, right?
tim pool
Pennzoil, there you go.
But, like, that's... New sponsor.
Yeah, so it's funny that, like, Harley Davidson takes, um...
Sponsorship from Bud Light or whatever or whatever.
I don't know how that works.
And it's just like they're trying to pretend to be manly when it's just like UFC... Well, I'll just put it this way.
There's a million and one sponsors that could have taken that would have made them a lot of money and they did not need to take the hundred million dollars.
The hundred million dollars is excellent leverage for them to use against any other business to get a good deal.
And it would be less, but you'd save your dignity.
hannah claire brimelow
So I should've looked into this before I asked this question, but when they sponsor UFC, that means that the alcohol at the event is, or like the beer, is presumably from Anheuser-Busch, right?
unidentified
Yeah, and in the center of the octagon it says- It's gonna have the brand, I get that.
hannah claire brimelow
So is there a chance that one of the components of this is that it's all gonna be like heavily subsidized so people buy it and are like, oh I do like this beer.
Or- Is there something else at play that we're not getting and attempting to deliver?
tim pool
I'm wondering if- What component of the deal would require the venues or whatever to carry Bud Light?
I don't know if it will, because a lot of these venues are just private venues, right?
UFC doesn't own the casinos where they have these things.
grace chong
I think they would have to buy them out.
I mean, the sponsors.
unidentified
I mean, if it was Budweiser, right?
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure if you go to a casino, you can get any beer you want.
It's not just going to be bubble tea.
grace chong
Okay, yeah.
Casino, maybe, yeah.
tim pool
But what could be is that this forces sales.
They'll say, look, our sales are going up, when in actuality, they're just selling the beer, and then it gets thrown in the alley.
shane cashman
It's like when Biden says, we have more jobs now, but it's just because you brought back jobs that were lost.
tim pool
Right.
All right, that one gamer says, what advice would you give to someone like me who is part of Gen Z?
I'm thinking of enlisting before the draft, just looking for some hope somewhere, and we're running out of options here.
Me, personally, I would strongly recommend not enlisting.
I don't know, man.
It's just me, and I don't want to speak ill of those in the armed forces, but...
I'm not, I've not been in the military or the armed forces.
I've briefly spent time at Fort Carson and outside of Fort Eustis.
Know a lot of people who are in the military.
And it seems like most of their sentiment is to get a commission and not to enlist.
So you like get a college degree before getting in and then you're way better off.
But I don't know enough about it.
If you are going to get in.
I would say right now, my bigger concern is, I've met way too many people who've quit, resigned their commissions because of how awful it is.
For me, look, I can't tell you if it's good or bad, I don't know.
What I can tell you is, I've met way too many people who are like, I've resigned my commission because it's awful and I don't want to be there anymore.
It's woke, it's terrible, it's not worth it.
And so, if it were me, I'd say, like, I ain't going anywhere near it.
I don't think that's the best path forward.
But I did this long video today.
There was this young woman who was like, Boomers don't understand.
Gen Z is not lazy.
It's just that it's a lot harder to live today than it used to.
And I'm like, nope, you're lazy.
But I break it down.
They're like, look at what the prices were back in the day.
She's like, look at what wages were.
Look at what home prices were.
And then she does this budget where she's like, if I work for $20 an hour, 40 hours a week, I take home $2,300.
I gotta pay $1,500 rent.
I gotta pay these things.
That leaves me with $84 at the end of the month.
And then, if I want to actually save for retirement by the time I'm 67, I need $1,000 per month starting right now, which means negative $900, whatever.
And I'm like, have you considered, I don't know, living with roommates?
That cuts your rent in half.
Now you're saving $834 a month.
hannah claire brimelow
And I will say there are lots of other countries in the world where it's normal to live at home for longer, right?
And maybe you pay some sort of rent to your parent.
Maybe you save money.
I mean, the idea that you have to be living alone at the age of 19 is unrealistic.
It always has been in America.
People had roommates throughout history.
I will, I mean, obviously life's expensive.
I'm not trying to downplay it, but maybe rethink what you're trying to What lifestyle you're trying to achieve, right?
If you know you wanna travel, live with roommates or live with your parents so you can save up.
If you know that you want your own place, that's your budget's priority.
tim pool
The first problem is they're 22 years old out of college, 23, with 50K in debt and no experience.
And so she included student loan repayments in her budgeting.
And I'm like, well, that's not fair.
Your parents didn't have that.
She talks about how tuition was way cheaper back then.
I'm like, right, yeah, supply and demand.
Boomers did not go to college the same degree Millennials and Gen Z does, so with a smaller supply of students available, the universities had to lower wages to be competitive to try and get people to come because they didn't want to.
It's not absolutely that way, but it was true that back then you did not need to go to college to get paid well, and it's actually the college trap This demand of young people to go to college has created this circumstance, which has been detrimental to the economy.
But I also do believe a lot of factors play a role, such as women in the workplace, doubling the supply of workers without expanding the supply of jobs, just creates a rapid price shock.
But I'll just say this, if you're 18 years old right now, Gen Z, and you start, if you get a job at Starbucks right now, In four years of working at Starbucks, you will get multiple raises, and if you work hard and so desire, you could eventually find yourself a general manager at a very young age.
Maybe assistant manager at four years, but maybe you're getting $40,000 to $50,000 a year.
I don't know.
In four years from now, it's probably going to be $65,000 to $70,000.
And your friends will graduate college bragging about their degrees they'll never use in massive debt, while you are the one paying for everything.
I don't know if that's better, But, uh, I told this to all my friends when they were going to college and I was 18.
They were like, I'm going to go for this, I'm going to go for that.
And I'm like, dude, you're going to get out of college in debt with no experience and no job.
You're going to be struggling to pay things off and living at home.
And I'll be on my fourth year of, you know, whatever job I'm in with more experience, getting raises and paying for my own place and being independent.
I read an article when I was 16 that broke down the math.
If you start working at 18 minimum wage and work on average, you'll retire with like a million dollars more than a college graduate.
Because you have no debt and four years of work experience ahead of college grads.
But everybody wants the honor of like, I have a good job.
shane cashman
Yeah, all my friends who after high school went into the trades were doing way better than me with houses, started families younger than I did, and just generally were doing better.
hannah claire brimelow
There was a girl I went to high school with who her mom was like a hairdresser.
She knew immediately that she was also going to be a hairdresser, and I remember thinking she bought a house before a lot of people I knew.
She was in a very stable, I think she's married now, and she was also doing stuff like going to New York Fashion Week and doing hair.
I mean, her job gave her a lot of opportunities because she was advancing more professionally.
And essentially, I mean, a lot of hairdressers kind of function like independent contractors, right?
It was very cool to see what she was accomplishing when the rest of us were like, we don't know what we're doing.
What is our job?
grace chong
I think for someone like, you know, I'm second generation.
So my parents were like, you You have to go to college.
serge du preez
Yep, same.
grace chong
Yeah, you have to get a good job outside of college.
My parents, I was really fortunate they paid for my tuition.
So they were just so like, you know, work the nine to five.
I mean, that was their dream for me.
And as I got older, I'm like, This kinda sucks, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
And I think especially like immigration, like if you're the child of immigrants, there are generations before you that potentially, you know, were doing jobs that they are trying to say, go to college so you can sit in the air conditioning and work at the computer.
grace chong
Yes, they didn't want me to work like 12, 14 hours a day at a dry cleaners, because that's what my parents did for six days a week over like 45 years, you know?
But like in me, retrospect, I'm like, Oh my god, mom and dad, you guys worked for yourselves.
You guys built Chicago.
So this is a totally different mindset.
Yeah, for sure.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think every generation's going to say, oh, I want the thing that you had, or I'm trying to give you a thing I don't have.
And that's not necessarily bad.
I just think we should acknowledge that college is a model that has built in debt.
And the federal government has not stopped.
Despite the fact that we know there's a student loan crisis, that this is something Biden continuously campaigns on, and he's going to forgive student loan debt, They still issue student loans.
So it's a broken system that they're like, no, no, we'll pay it off, but also the rest of you can go into debt.
I mean, if this was really bad, they would stop doing it.
grace chong
I mean, it's definitely become such a scam.
tim pool
So, you know, this young woman, she's like, I make 20 bucks an hour.
Here's what my bills are.
I can't afford it, blah, blah, blah.
I did the math.
When I got my first salary job, I was making $15 an hour, salary equivalent.
And I lived in a studio apartment with two other people.
I don't know that that's it. It was the same and I and then because you spend what you can spend and I'm like
How old was I at the time? I think I was 23 Like is the expectation at 23 that I should have my own
house. I It's just I don't know
I mean, maybe Boomer's head house is at 23.
grace chong
I think Gen Z also, there's that whole glam of like social media of like people like Gen Z just yeah, like seeing like, they're making millions.
I can do it myself.
unidentified
And it's just the Joneses.
tim pool
Tim is the emperor on the wall asking everyone why the people don't just eat meat instead of tree bark.
And that, my friend, is the most laughable excuse I have ever heard.
Well, this is what I've heard my whole life.
From every position I've ever been in, any amount of success was always an excuse that I was privileged.
So it's like, no matter how much hard work, no matter how much sacrifice, someone always says, you are privileged and lucky, and that's the only explanation.
grace chong
Well, wait, Tim, you didn't graduate high school, right?
tim pool
No, I did not.
grace chong
Yeah, and you worked yourself, like, to build an empire here.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Because you're so privileged.
tim pool
But this is the excuse.
The excuse is always either...
Oh, but you're wealthy and you're telling us to sacrifice.
Well, how do you think I got wealthy?
I sacrificed as much as possible and saved everything.
When I was at Occupy Wall Street, I had $5,000 saved and I never touched it.
And that $5,000 has never been touched.
Because instead of deciding, you know what?
I'm going to crack into that savings and get a motel for the night.
I'd be like, I'm going to hug my backpack and sleep in the corner of this piss smelling alley.
And not everybody can do that.
I'm not saying that's normal for everybody.
But I was like, let me think.
What's harder?
Giving up what little resources I have to invest, or sleeping in a park.
I'm sleeping in a park.
I'd rather do that.
And then when the opportunity arises, I will have the resources and the ammunition required to do it.
When I worked for Vice, I spent $300 a month sleeping on my friend's couch.
Oh, Vice paid me enough, I could've got a nice apartment in Williamsburg and then I would've had no savings and been living paycheck to paycheck.
Like, I'm so broke.
Instead I was like, here's my budget, X amount must go into savings, X for resources.
Or for, like, my life.
Yeah.
And so what I end up finding is that, you know, stories like from this woman is 1,500 bucks a month in rent.
And I'm like, oh, okay, well, I was hosting documentaries traveling around the world and people thought I was doing well when I was living on a couch.
They assume I must be like, nah, being paid relatively, I think I was probably getting like 30 bucks an hour or something relative when my advisor was paying me.
And sleeping on a couch.
And then what I find is nobody is willing to actually sacrifice to save.
And then what happens, I worked at O'Hare.
And there were these guys, they called the Filipino Mafia.
There's a guy who's 50 years old.
He works, uh, one guy worked 16 hours a day, every day with no days off.
And then after a couple weeks, you get what's called a mandatory time off, and he fought it and begged not to let them give him time off.
He was giving all the money to his kids.
And so I'm like, this guy moves to the United States, and it's the American dream to work 16 hours a day, seven days a week, because he knows it gives his kids a better life.
And I'm like, my only fear is that those kids will not understand the sacrifice he made for them.
serge du preez
That's what happens.
That's how they say, like the one generation earns the money, the second generation understands how to keep earning the money, and the third generation spoils it all.
tim pool
All right, we'll read some more.
We got Lars Job.
He says, not first, and I will do nothing kindly.
Gently feathers the like button with sinister intent.
Well, thank you.
Bid Moon says Grace is a patriot.
grace chong
Oh, thank you!
tim pool
Alright.
Fix Bayonets says, that one gamer, don't expect a draft.
Take the ASVAB and look at the branches.
Tim, say my name like Jeff Daniels yelled Bayonets in Gettysburg.
I don't know that one.
I do think I saw that with Jeff Daniels, that movie.
Is that with Gettysburg?
serge du preez
I think so, yeah.
tim pool
Actually, I'm pretty sure I did watch that recently.
I don't know.
All I know is the Patriot is the best movie ever.
The one with Mel Gibson.
I think there's another Patriot that's not Revolutionary War.
Yeah, that movie is so good.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Joshua French says, Tim, the PSYOP is not from the U.S.
It is from foreign entities trying to further divide the U.S.
Further the divide in the U.S.
China needs us to fight and be divided.
We have the biggest unofficial land force with a gun behind every blade of grass.
Not for long!
No, it's actually not true.
We're winning the gun rights thing.
Democrats can keep whinging all they want, but they're losing.
grace chong
There's no way.
There's no way that, yeah.
tim pool
It's just gun rights have been expanding rapidly.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There's that one, I love this, the congressman, what's his name, in Maine?
What's his name?
hannah claire brimelow
I forgot his name.
tim pool
But he came out in support of an assault weapons ban.
And I love it because I'm like, well, this man has passed the test that proves he's a piece of human garbage.
And that test is either he is willfully betraying the Constitution, which yes, I think he is, or he only now cares about guns because it happened to him.
Any way you cut it, he's a bad person.
hannah claire brimelow
The James Golden.
tim pool
Is that what it was?
Yeah, it's like, He's a Democrat, right?
And he's opposed the quote-unquote assault weapons ban.
And everyone's now like, oh, as soon as it happens to him, he's now saying, help, help, we need to change these rules.
And I'm like, right, he's also betraying the Constitution.
He's a bad person.
unidentified
Wait, he wants to oppose... Wait, say that again?
tim pool
He opposed assault weapons bans until the mass shooter in Maine.
grace chong
Oh.
tim pool
Now, all of a sudden, he's in favor of it.
grace chong
I mean, there were some states where they didn't even register, you know, the assault ban.
Like, there's just no way.
hannah claire brimelow
Maine is a heavily rural state.
It's actually very purple.
So I think gun culture is different there, but he's falling in line with the party because that's what he's supposed to do.
tim pool
Mark Bond said, Tim, the Brits did not burn churches full of people.
I'm well aware.
It's a movie!
Also, um, we, we, we, uh, let's, let's, let's think of a good one.
We did not freeze a police officer, uh, and sent him into the future with Wesley Snipes.
shane cashman
Shut up.
hannah claire brimelow
Wait, I thought we did that.
serge du preez
That's a good one.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm gonna have to change some articles.
tim pool
I did read a lot about who the characters were based on, and the dude who was the basis for that character was actually considered to be very brutal, but in the UK they celebrate him as a hero.
shane cashman
So that's part of Battle Kettle Creek, I believe, right?
A lot of the book I did, The Last Ghost of the Confederacy, was in the town where the Battle Kettle Creek was, and the British did pay a lot of Indians to attack the people there, and there's some of the gnarliest, most violent The Brits did?
I'm reading like the reports of these murders where they're killing the kids in front of the parents and stuff
The Brits did the Brits were hiring. Oh, yeah, it was it's so brutal
They say it's one of the bloodiest revolutionary battles.
tim pool
Wow. Yeah But that scene where the dude finds his kid and his wife
unidentified
man that movie's too good Yeah.
tim pool
If you have not seen The Patriot with Mel Gibson, you are missing out.
It's a long one too.
But it's like, I'm not even saying it's like, it's not a documentary.
It's a fictional movie.
shane cashman
Yeah, he's a composite of a lot of characters for sure.
tim pool
It's exaggerated, but it's good storytelling.
I don't think Superman's real, but there are good stories, good messages that can be conveyed through fiction.
And it's a fun movie.
Dexter Olson says, for the next debate, you should each impersonate one of the candidates and do a live impersonation of the debate.
Just let me be Chris Christie, please.
Oh, and get Trump to moderate it.
unidentified
Well, Tim, you do a pretty good Trump impersonation.
I guess.
tim pool
Sometimes.
I don't know about it.
hannah claire brimelow
I still wish Trump would, like, livestream a debate and react to it, you know?
I feel like that would be kind of funny.
On our show, Trump, just so you know.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Ryan Sargent says, Tim, ask yourself what new band has come out with a platinum-selling album in the last 15 years.
It's all the old bands with new records.
Taylor Swift.
Does she count as a band?
hannah claire brimelow
She is a one-woman force of nature.
shane cashman
We need to have a culture where we just debate Taylor Swift.
hannah claire brimelow
You're wrong.
I'm bringing in Chris Carr because he is a supporter.
tim pool
I really can't stand the fake Taylor Swift hate.
shane cashman
Because like... Mine's real.
hannah claire brimelow
I doubt it.
tim pool
It's like...
What is it saying?
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference?
serge du preez
Yeah, right.
tim pool
And so, I think the people who hate Taylor Swift... They're just jealous, man.
Jealousy, but there is an obsession to it.
I don't think at all about Taylor Swift.
She's like, people are into it, that's fine.
There's a lot of celebrities, a lot of sports.
I don't go around being like, you know, man, I can't even name a basketball player.
Give me a name of a basketball player.
hannah claire brimelow
Ron James.
tim pool
No, that's too obvious.
shane cashman
The Greek freak.
unidentified
Dwayne Wade.
The Greek freak.
tim pool
Kobe Bryant.
I don't go around being like, I don't like Kobe.
I don't like it.
I'm like, I don't know anything about him.
unidentified
Well, mine was too obvious.
grace chong
Michael Jordan.
hannah claire brimelow
Mine was too obvious.
tim pool
Well, yeah, he's too political.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
You know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I don't know anything about him because I just know his name and that he's a basketball player.
tim pool
I can't even name a basketball player.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Other than these famous ones.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
shane cashman
From our youth in the 90s.
tim pool
No, no, like right now, like, you know, but, but I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Or like, what about a baseball player or something?
I don't go around being like, I really don't like this person.
grace chong
I don't know.
Yeah.
tim pool
Or, I mean, Taylor Swift is just a good example.
It's like, oh, she makes pop music.
Pop music is like fun, silly music you get stuck in your head sometimes.
shane cashman
I think she writes great songs.
My dislike of her is not about... Are you looking directly at me?
Tim is the one speaking.
Because you wrote a beautiful article about her earlier this year, which I really did like, but I just don't like her as a whole brand.
You know, a third generation banker with all this money to have these songs written by a lot of people.
I know she writes some of her songs.
Don't fight me.
unidentified
But did you hear...
tim pool
Did I interrupt you?
Britney Spears, in her memoir, famously, like, Hit Me Baby One More Time was written for a different band.
shane cashman
Oh yeah.
tim pool
For a different group.
This is how it goes!
hannah claire brimelow
The idea that she's from a wealthy person and whatever else, that's interesting that if you believe this idea that her father's super elite and they're powerful, that instead of sending her into politics, they sent her into culture.
And in fact, she ultimately has way more influence there.
And whether you like it or not, that's interesting and that's impressive.
It's interesting.
You can be against it, but also maybe we should follow the model.
grace chong
What about the theory about, you know, she was like the daughter of the Church of Satan guy?
serge du preez
LeVay?
grace chong
LeVay, yeah.
shane cashman
The Taylor Swift was?
grace chong
Yeah, she looks just like the woman.
unidentified
We'll talk about the Taylor Swift conspiracy theory for the members only show.
shane cashman
for even me.
unidentified
It's so controversial.
tim pool
Well, we'll talk about the Taylor Swift conspiracy theory for the Members Only show.
Joe Spinella says 1980 to 1996 was peak humanity, peak music, all genres, peak movies, all genres.
80 to 96.
shane cashman
I would push that up to an 80, 99.
tim pool
I don't know about 99.
serge du preez
I say 96 because 96 or 97.
If I'm looking at records that look for any, if I see 97, 96 I'll pull it out no matter what.
grace chong
When was Alanis Morissette?
shane cashman
In the mid 90s.
unidentified
94.
serge du preez
94, 95.
And then sports.
hannah claire brimelow
And then after that it was just downhill.
shane cashman
And the sports too.
You think of like the Yankees then.
serge du preez
And like the Bulls.
shane cashman
I love the Bulls.
The Chicago Bulls.
I was supposed to grow up and be Michael Jordan.
Oh, man.
Dennis Rodman's my guy.
Also an ambassador for North Korea.
hannah claire brimelow
What is he?
shane cashman
Rodman?
He was a point guard.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I know who that is!
That's the guy who went to North Korea, right?
unidentified
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
But I only know him from politics.
shane cashman
He's a great ambassador for peace.
tim pool
GBP says 2000s not having a particular identity speaks to people expressing themselves independently, not just aligning with what's cool.
90s kid, by the way.
serge du preez
No, I disagree.
tim pool
Completely wrong.
What was happening is that they were finding subcultures instead of the dominant culture.
serge du preez
Right.
That's what I was going to say.
There's less hubs for it.
It used to be in the 90s.
Back in the day, in free skiing, when I was young, I skied a lot.
There was a site called NewSchoolers.com.
It was a .com.
It was a website in a community you belonged to.
Now that doesn't exist anymore.
Now everything's on TikTok, and it's like subcommunities on TikTok, and communities on Instagram.
tim pool
You have to find the, the, uh, freestere talk.
serge du preez
You have to find the, I don't care.
unidentified
I don't know.
shane cashman
I want to sing what's 90s.
grace chong
That's my story.
shane cashman
The 60s had great music.
Oh man, I was way off.
I was off by 10 years too.
unidentified
It was 78.
serge du preez
I mean, it's so much better music.
tim pool
Oh man, I was way off.
I was off by 10 years too.
It was 78.
Oh, okay.
Okay, so the late 70s was the best year because Rasputin's awesome.
Boney M, dude.
And they got Babylon.
Come on.
Yeah.
Disco was great.
hannah claire brimelow
Bring in a really good 70s covers band for one of the Friday night music things.
Cause then I'll learn about these things.
tim pool
The Bee Gees.
Yes.
Queen, 70s into the 80s.
grace chong
I love them.
tim pool
Yeah.
Oh dude, Bohemian Rhapsody, I think.
Yeah.
I looked up like some, I can't remember, it might've been Rolling Stone or something, the top 100 songs of all time.
And I'm like, how is Bohemian Rhapsody not number one?
shane cashman
It wasn't?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
No, it was like number 13 or something.
And I'm like, look, it doesn't matter if you're like, well, it's not the best song in the world.
No, no, no, it's that anyone can sing it.
grace chong
Yes.
tim pool
And a bunch of the songs in the top 10, I'm like, I've never heard of that song.
grace chong
That's like number one karaoke song.
tim pool
You go anywhere and play Hey Jude, Bohemian Rhapsody, people are gonna start singing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We'll grab a couple more.
All right.
The Dude Abide says, Hey, Tim, I'm from Illinois.
Not sure if you knew about The Loop, popular rock station in Chicago.
Of course, 97.9.
Yes.
Sadly, no more.
grace chong
I know 97.9.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Shut down for a few years now.
Upside is a station called The Drive.
Has Steve Downs, master chef as a DJ.
shane cashman
Oh, that's cool.
tim pool
Oh yeah, how could I ever forget all of my, there was the mix 101.9.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
101.9.
Can't forget that one.
shane cashman
I had K-Rock 92.3 in New York and we had K-104 for the pop music in 97.1.
grace chong
WGCI 107.5.
hannah claire brimelow
I also think talk radio walked so that podcasting could run.
You know what I'm saying?
That's ultimately the pipeline here.
unidentified
97.9, man.
Wow.
shane cashman
The loop.
tim pool
What else did we have?
The prominent ones were The Loop, Q101, The Mix.
unidentified
96.3.
B96.
tim pool
That's what we called it, B96.
I think we had Chris.
Oldies 104.3.
grace chong
Kiss at a certain point, didn't we?
unidentified
101.9.
grace chong
Oh, 103.5.
Yes, 103.5, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, and there was 97.1.
But you should have known WGCI, 107.5.
grace chong
Yes, 103.5. Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, and there was 97.1.
unidentified
But you should have known WGCI, 107.5. That's like Southside.
tim pool
Well, we never listened to it, but we know about it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Never cared about that one.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm just gonna start picking up radio stations now.
shane cashman
It was always, it was always... 1003.
tim pool
We would always switch between the mix and Q101 because those were the only ones that played music that were enjoyable.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh.
tim pool
B-96 was cool.
hannah claire brimelow
Some shade thrown to Chicago radio.
I loved B-96.
tim pool
What else is there?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know, I'm not from there.
tim pool
B-96 was just like random dance.
grace chong
I love that, yeah.
tim pool
So you'd put it on and it'd be like... And you're like, okay, that's cool, but, you know, if I wanna sing, you know, fastball the way, I gotta put on Q101.
shane cashman
Yes, I used to record onto cassette and then bounce those cassettes onto other cassettes.
tim pool
Yes, me too!
unidentified
I had time to be alive.
grace chong
It was like those AM, FM, like alarm clocks.
I would take my mom's and I would record it.
unidentified
Yeah, the DJ would talk over the beginning of the song and be like, stop!
tim pool
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I guess we're going to talk about the true nature that is Taylor Swift and the dark conspiracy, because, well, the real story is the end of times is coming, and there's a lot of people talking about the Holy Land and the Great War in Jerusalem or whatever, but I guess we'll throw Taylor Swift in the mix.
We'll talk about that in the members-only show, so go to TimCast.com, click join us.
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Grace, do you want to shout anything out?
grace chong
Yes!
Definitely join TimCast.com for the bonus segment and also go for the app.
I'm like forgetting about it.
It's BuildBlasterApp.org and WarRoom.org And yeah, follow me on Twitter, gc22gc, Bannon's War Room.
Follow us on all the platforms and thank you so much.
It's been so fun having you.
Yeah, it's been great being here.
Thank you so much.
hannah claire brimelow
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grace chong
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hannah claire brimelow
Oh my gosh, I'm going to have to buy some stuff.
Yes.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram, or if you like our website, you can click on the read tab and see all the work from me, Adrienne Norman, Chris Burtman, and occasionally Shane, Cassandra McDonald, and the other people.
I can't remember now.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.B and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Guys, thank you so much.
shane cashman
I'm Shane Cashman.
You can check out the latest Inverted World book at ghostofthecivilwar.com.
I'm probably going to go to Maine and go write about what's going on up there.
hannah claire brimelow
I've been talking to a lot of friends.
So we're just taking a trip to Maine?
unidentified
I'm in.
shane cashman
Let's go.
I think I have to.
I've been dismayed over what's going on up there and talking to a lot of friends who know people who lost people.
So that's probably next for me.
But it's been great being here with you.
serge du preez
And I'm Serge.com.
I misspoke in the beginning of the show.
We already beat England.
So I was trying to say we were celebrating the win from England.
hannah claire brimelow
Hate crime.
serge du preez
Yeah, we're celebrating the win over England and we're going to face the All Blacks in New Zealand.
hannah claire brimelow
You didn't even know.
How much of a fan are you?
serge du preez
Not in New Zealand, but yeah.
Anyways, cheers guys.
tim pool
Alright everybody, we'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a few minutes.
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