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Timcast IRL - GOP DROPS PROOF Biden Took $200k DIRECTLY From Shady Business Deals w/Lauren Witzke
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Oh, it's Friday night.
tim pool
There's so much going on.
Jim Jordan was stabbed in the back in a secret ballot.
They voted him out.
So a lot of interesting things happening.
There's still no Speaker of the House.
We'll see what happens there.
Joe Biden cashed a $200,000 check from his brother, which directly links him to the shady business dealings of his family.
Oh, yeah.
Well, he said he wasn't involved or any of that, but now we have what appears to be or what many people are alleging is money laundering.
Marjorie Taylor Greene herself actually says that this is money that was laundered.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Lauren Witzke.
lauren witzke
Hello, hello.
Thank you so much for having me.
It's an honor.
tim pool
Who are you?
lauren witzke
What do you do?
My name is Lauren Witzke.
I am currently the executive producer for the Stu Peters Network.
I was the Republican nominee for United States Senate back in 2020, and I'm the producer behind the movie Died Suddenly and Watch the Water.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for hanging out.
Should be fun.
We got Carter Banks hanging out.
carter banks
What's up, guys?
tim pool
That's it, he's a music producer here at TimCast.
carter banks
Music producer here at TimCast, doing stuff with Triumph House.
tim pool
So the Carter is popping in on Fridays because of our top secret music project.
No, because we actually, I don't know, we don't have a camera set up for that right now, do we?
carter banks
We've got a couple, actually.
tim pool
But I mean, is it on?
carter banks
Is it set up?
Yeah, they're ready to go.
tim pool
We're rolling.
Can you switch to it?
serge du preez
Do you want me to do it right now?
There you go.
tim pool
Right, so we're actually, oh wow, that looks amazing.
serge du preez
We've got three going, ready to go.
tim pool
Yeah, we're actually... We've had this, like, music setup for a long time.
We've never set it up, but now the plan is Fridays, we're actually going to start having music.
serge du preez
Yeah, it'll be pretty sweet.
Look at that.
tim pool
Musical guests and, uh... Yep.
So, we're gonna have music Friday nights.
We did this a while ago, and it was more just, like, we would just jam on acoustic, but now the idea is when we can, if we can, we'll have musical guests.
So, we're hoping that Friday we'll get... There's a lot of really awesome You know, popular prominent musicians who are starting to get very political.
And so we're looking forward to having them come and hang out with us.
Obviously, Phil Labonte is on the show.
He's currently out of town working on his new album, I believe.
But we're hoping to have him and whoever else come and play some songs for us.
And it's going to be really awesome.
So yeah, we got Libby hanging out.
libby emmons
Hey, I'm back.
I'm Libby Emmons with the Postmillennial and Human Events filling in for Ian yet again.
tim pool
Ian's on vacation.
libby emmons
He was on vacation.
unidentified
Lucky dog.
tim pool
What happened was he messaged me saying that he's doing, um, what is that?
What is that training they're doing where they like run through the woods with guns or something?
libby emmons
That sounds kind of fun.
tim pool
Yeah, tactical.
Camp.
No, he's doing some kind of like tactical training with Luke.
And so he hits me up and he's like, this is amazing!
And he's at the gym with Luke.
unidentified
Yeah, I saw that.
tim pool
And I'm like, Ian started working out and he's turning into a conserver bro.
libby emmons
That's amazing.
tim pool
He's praying to Jesus.
He's doing gun training.
libby emmons
He's exercising.
He's praying to Jesus?
tim pool
He said that on the show that he prayed to Jesus for the first time.
serge du preez
That's true.
libby emmons
Yeah, he did.
So working out can make you Christian.
That's great news.
tim pool
It makes you conservative.
libby emmons
I love it.
tim pool
Well, so while he's out of town on his, you know, spiritual quest, Libby's here.
We got Serge pressing the buttons.
serge du preez
Yeah, I am here.
I'm excited to do this music stuff, too.
It'll be fun, man.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's very cool.
serge du preez
Let's just jump into it.
I'm also covering for Kellen on Fridays now, so.
tim pool
Alright, here we go.
From the post-millennial, Joe Biden cashed $200,000 check from brother James' business deal, House investigators reveal.
Now, the check says loan repayment, which is funny, because how do you track the record of when was a loan given?
Was it even a loan?
So there's a lot to break down before we even read any of this.
I'll just say very simply, what this shows is this check, you know, it can be completely on the level.
Maybe, maybe Joe just gave his brother a loan, right?
That's all it was.
Okay, here, here brother, here's money for you.
It shows that Joe is directly involved in the finances and the business dealings that his brother's engaged in.
This is his brother going, James going to Joe and saying, I need a loan for Insert project.
And Joe sang, you got it, which makes Joe the financier of these things.
That is the best case scenario for Joe.
That all he did is help finance his brother's business dealings or something, a component of what his brother's involved in.
You can make the argument, oh, maybe it's personal.
No, I don't accept that.
Because when Donald Trump We tried to get the G7 at Trump Doral, arguing that he would do it at cost with no profit.
Everyone on the left, and even me, we all said, no, it's still a direct payment which benefits Trump's companies.
This right here is still a direct payment benefiting his brother who is engaged in these shady business dealings.
I think at the bare minimum shows his brother's involved.
Now, the worst case scenario, of course, is Joe's getting paid off.
Now, when you look at the hard evidence, and you can see 10% for the big guy and all that, I think it is clear now, you connect the dots, this is circumstantial evidence that when they said 10% for the big guy, when they were talking about paying Joe Biden, a loan repayment, could this be what Hunter was talking about when he said his dad takes half his salary?
Could this be the fee paid to Joe, a loan for his name?
Now, what actually is pointed out in the article is that the reason... So what happens is AmeriCorps gives James Biden a loan.
James then, that day, writes a $200,000 check to Joe, which looks like money laundering.
carter banks
Yeah!
libby emmons
And it says loan repayment on the check.
Which is, there's no way to know as yet if Biden had actually given his brother a loan.
So, James Comer wants to know whether Biden has the documents to prove that he had lent $200,000 to his brother, whether he had similar arrangements with other family members.
And Marjorie Taylor Greene said exactly what you said, Carter, that it's a classic example of money laundering.
carter banks
I mean, yeah, I didn't want to overstep with that, but it looks exactly like that.
tim pool
And it's so overt, I mean, come on.
It might not be, but when AmeriCorps was failing, and apparently out of business but still had money in the coffers, writes a check for $200,000 to James, who then instantly, that day, writes $200,000 for Biden, it looks like AmeriCorps is giving Biden money.
libby emmons
It sure does look like that.
And also the other thing too is if it's not a loan repayment.
We have the situation where Donald Trump is being tried in New York by Alvin Bragg on what is it like 37 counts of falsification of business records.
So could this perhaps be if if Biden didn't give his brother a loan then this is the falsification of a business record.
Did it go down in his taxes as a loan repayment?
How has this been quantified?
What are his bookkeeping records looking like if Trump is being brought up on these charges?
tim pool
It's a civil suit against Trump, but basically, I saw this and I started laughing.
I'm like, oh, so everything they accused Trump of doing, they did.
lauren witzke
That's a criminal case.
libby emmons
The Alvin Bragg one is criminal.
tim pool
Oh, I mean in the civil case in New York where they're arguing he falsified business records.
libby emmons
Yeah, that Alvin Bragg one.
Isn't that criminal?
tim pool
No, it's a civil suit.
I don't know if it's the Letitia James in New York.
libby emmons
That's a civil suit.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
The Alvin Bragg falsification of business records.
tim pool
What I'm saying is the suit against Trump right now by Letitia James is a lawsuit to determine whether Trump falsified business records.
libby emmons
Right.
And Alvin Bragg has a similar case.
Yeah.
tim pool
But that one was about Stormy Daniels, wasn't it?
libby emmons
Yeah, it was about the money that Trump paid to Michael Cohen, and then Cohen paid money to Stormy Daniels.
tim pool
So this is very much like that one, actually.
libby emmons
And this is very much like that one.
tim pool
Lock him up!
Lock him up!
Joe's gotta go!
lauren witzke
They make the rules, not us, you know?
tim pool
And we, you know, we are humble followers of those laws.
So, man, you know, it really breaks my heart to say this, but we're gonna have to arrest Joe Biden and, you know, he's gonna have to go to jail.
libby emmons
Well, I would love to see the Department of Justice actually do that.
Let's get the FBI involved.
They should really start digging in, correct?
The only way... Isn't that what's up now?
Like, raid his house.
tim pool
Okay.
libby emmons
Let's go for it.
tim pool
Do you want to see Joe Biden get arrested right now for this?
Because I can tell you... No, no, I can tell you exactly how you can see it.
If you want to see Joe Biden, there is one way that you can see him right now get arrested for this.
It's called mid-journey.
You just type in the prompt, Joe Biden gets arrested.
That's the only way you're ever going to see him.
carter banks
Citizens arrest in Georgia or something like that.
tim pool
Nope, just AI generated images and then you can fantasize and pretend like the world is actually safe and there's accountability.
But, you know, other than that, have fun.
libby emmons
That's like how my mom used to always watch the West Wing.
She was just obsessed with it.
She was like, this is how I just fantasize reality.
tim pool
Oh, that's so sad.
The reality of the internal workings of the White House, right now with Biden, is probably so dark.
What did they find?
They found crack, right?
carter banks
Yeah, I was just thinking about that.
What, cocaine?
tim pool
In the White House.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
Somewhere in the White House.
unidentified
Past security.
I grew up in Delaware.
lauren witzke
So I grew up with the Biden, like, dynasty ruling over my state for years and years.
And it's, like, well-known.
It's just, like, kind of public knowledge that they're, like, super corrupt.
The Bidens run everything.
You can't get past anything.
And their kids are a mess, too.
libby emmons
Was that the story on Beau Biden as well?
lauren witzke
Was he considered to be a big mess?
So Beau Biden was, like, the beloved.
libby emmons
Right.
lauren witzke
You know, but also he had a lot of Backdoor stuff going on between like Northern Delaware and Southern Delaware and like paying off politicians for bridges and road repairs and stuff like that.
So there was a lot of like even corruption back then.
I wouldn't say he was a man of character.
Um, based on what I know of him, but the Bidens, like, I saw what he did to my, the Bidens did to my state.
It's almost unlivable now in some parts.
Really?
And yeah, and I'm watching him do it to America.
As soon as he was elected president, I said, oh boy, not good.
So.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
It was interesting, uh, uh, Michael super chatted saying loan repayment in the memo was, was, uh, not written by the same person.
libby emmons
Oh, you think?
tim pool
Well, I don't know about that.
I mean, the superchatter did.
But I've got the picture right here, so if you take a look, the argument is that the writing for 200,000 and zero, you know, 100, and loan repayment are different.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
What do you guys think?
libby emmons
I think they look the same to me, but I certainly am no handwriting expert.
tim pool
I was blasting a stink bug.
libby emmons
I don't like those guys.
unidentified
I don't like them.
tim pool
They're funny.
libby emmons
I know.
tim pool
They just smell bad.
libby emmons
And they clap.
tim pool
I know, they're great.
libby emmons
There's one hanging out in my kitchen at home right now, actually.
But yeah, it doesn't look the same to me.
It looks pretty different.
carter banks
The lowercase t's kind of look different.
unidentified
Do they?
libby emmons
Where's their lowercase t?
unidentified
At the very end in loan repayment and then... It looks like there's a capital T in thousand.
tim pool
I don't know.
I mean, I'm not a handwriting expert, but they said that there are more angles.
What did they say?
The writing has more of an angle?
I can see that, actually.
The repayment is written with a slight angle to the right, meaning at the very least, if they wrote $200,000, they shifted the check as they wrote again, giving it a rightward angle to their handwriting.
But anyway, if that were true, and I'm sure there are handwriting experts who can either just bunk or debunk it, then the implication being made here, and I don't know if that has any merit, the implication is that when Joe received the check, he wrote loan repayment on it himself.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Or someone else did.
libby emmons
Someone just wanted to make sure that they literally dotted their I's and crossed their T's.
tim pool
This is not a payment, it's a repayment.
libby emmons
It's a loan repayment.
Maybe it just said loan payment.
tim pool
You know, I don't think we're gonna get anything from this.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
You know, uh, yeah.
They're gonna say, look, it's his brother lent his money, his brother some money, that's all it is.
libby emmons
I think that a lot of this stuff, I mean, I think that what keeps happening is that the House GOP has the goods on Joe Biden, and it's just not going to go anywhere.
No matter how much, no matter, even though they have the majority, they don't really have any power at this point in Congress.
The Democrats have a lot of power to, you know, they went along with Matt Gaetz, you know, in the ousting of McCarthy.
Whether you like that or not, you know that they did that That was a the Democrats had all the power there over the majority of the GOP Which was my main concern about the ousting of McCarthy was like it just sort of gives up the GOP power What what was there?
Well, even when they didn't have that much anyway, yeah, I mean that's sort of we don't use it We don't wield our political power ever.
unidentified
We're well known for being like the losers They can't raise money if they're like if they're winning, you know, that's that's the thing we say we It's like, no, no, no, no, like the, the neocon shill establishment Republicans are not us, are not you.
tim pool
They're, they're, the reason they don't wield their, they wield their power against you.
lauren witzke
Right.
tim pool
So when everyone's like, why won't the Republicans do anything?
No, no, no, you don't understand.
They're using all of their might and power to crush you, the person who voted for them.
libby emmons
Well, they're still just doing that uniparty thing.
And that's why it's the moderates now who are like in a position to make deals with Democrats.
unidentified
Ugh.
libby emmons
It's pretty gross.
It's pretty gross.
But that's the concern, is that we're not going to get anything out of this, no matter how many smoking guns they bring, no matter how much direct evidence of bribery there is.
We're not going to see accountability from the Biden family.
Plus, Biden's going to be out.
I don't think any of us think that he's actually going to be president for the next term.
unidentified
Do you think they're going to run somebody else?
libby emmons
I don't know.
I mean, I just don't see how he could possibly serve another four years.
carter banks
He can barely even like- Yeah, I saw a video of him the other day and I didn't even- it was very weird.
It looked like a robot from Disney World, kind of.
libby emmons
Well, he does the old man dementia shuffle.
carter banks
Very slow.
libby emmons
And like, it's the shuffle.
It's the like, I'm afraid to fall down thing.
You have his staff saying outright that part of their job is to make sure that he doesn't fall down.
We see him fall down anyways.
It's like, we were talking the other night about when he does give speeches, when he gives big speeches, it's like, it almost seems like he's a different man than when he's just off the cuff.
He doesn't seem all there.
He shakes hands with the air.
It's very bizarre.
To see this man who's so clearly losing it to old age.
lauren witzke
He's not really making any of the decisions.
It's probably the Obama administration like kind of pulling the strings making the decision.
They just need a face guy and they haven't picked anybody else yet to They haven't.
libby emmons
I mean, Newsom is making some noise.
He was.
He said he was going to go travel around to Israel, you know, which is like a face opportunity.
Hochul did that as well from New York.
She went there.
I think she said she went there the day before Biden did.
But I just don't see I don't see how he could possibly do it.
So, I mean, if he's just going to be propped up, if it's going to be like, you know, weekend at Bernie's, the White House.
Don't you think the American people are going to be aware of that?
Why would we?
lauren witzke
Well, I've talked to a few Democrats, too, that even say that he's too old.
They're just like, man, I think he needs to retire.
He's getting too old.
But the concern is Kamala Harris is second in line, and she is the most disliked Candidate most disliked politician probably in American history.
They had no reason to choose her.
She was in a deep blue state of California and they still put her with Joe Biden for the sake, I guess, of diversity.
However, she is very unliked.
Very unliked.
And it just didn't make any sense.
I wonder if they're going to switch out a VP.
For him, you know, that would be more likely what I think.
I think they're going to try and run him, but make a really likable vice president.
libby emmons
How can they do that?
lauren witzke
Voting?
libby emmons
How would they swap him out?
lauren witzke
Gets too old?
unidentified
Like, can't you switch out your vice presidential candidate?
libby emmons
Wouldn't he?
Wouldn't that be an issue in and of itself?
lauren witzke
If you put like Gavin Newsom or something running as VP with Biden, people would vote for that.
libby emmons
She would need, like, for her to go along with that, she would need some exit strategy that gives her a better position than vice president.
carter banks
And I feel like she'd have to make that decision by herself, too.
libby emmons
And be like, you know, one of those, I want to spend more time with my family.
Even though she barely has a family at all.
lauren witzke
They'll come up with something.
libby emmons
Yeah.
lauren witzke
You know, some kind of payout or something to salvage her dignity or reputation.
unidentified
Right.
lauren witzke
But that's the thing.
I don't think that Democrats are really confident in a Joe Biden presidency with Kamala being the one.
I was even concerned when they were talking about impeaching Biden because I don't want... Kamala's going to be ten times worse.
unidentified
Like, she's a psycho.
libby emmons
Oh, she's terrible.
lauren witzke
I mean, she's... The woman is nuts.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's unburdened by what might have been.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about the big story that's affecting us directly.
We have this from my Twitter account!
And that's it.
Fox News filed a copyright strike on our GOP debate commentary, taking the whole episode down.
And I will say immediately, as we begin the segment, I believe that what we did was absolutely fair use.
We were, first of all, the public has a right to know what's going on with these debates.
It is newsworthy what these individuals are saying.
We were commenting directly on what was being said and the show itself.
It was direct commentary on this.
Combine those things and I think that immediately This is a matter of our democracy, as they like to say, right?
So the argument would be that Fox News can host presidential candidates who can say things that only they are allowed to filter to the American public, and no one else is allowed to fact-check what they are saying.
Now, their argument is you can fact check them, but you can't just show what they've said in real time.
I reject that.
That would mean that everyone has to watch only their interpretation, and it creates a circumstance in which they can selectively choose to take down only specific commentary.
It would be impossible to take down everyone who's providing commentary, which means there will always be the argument that, oh, but, you know, they infringed on our copyright, so we took them down.
It's okay.
Okay, hold on.
The guy critical of candidate one was taken down, but the guy critical of candidate two was not.
Oh, we must have missed it.
That creates a loophole that will require that you actually can't do anything about it, to be completely honest.
I think this precedent can't stand.
Because right now, as it stands, I can't sue Fox News simply for filing a claim on YouTube.
We can do a counterclaim and have their claim pushed back.
They can then, within ten days, file a lawsuit.
Otherwise, YouTube restores our video.
They then have to sue us.
But if this is allowed to stand, what happens is, you have Democrat and Republican.
The Democrats run criticism of the GOP.
And let's say Democrat personalities and Republican personalities are commenting and criticizing, and then large institutions, whoever it may be, can choose to only strike certain channels.
The people who are not given a strike can't sue, and the people who are given a strike don't have standing in court to argue, oh, but look, they're not being taken down, because the argument is, okay, well, we'll go take them down next.
You would have that argument, you could say, they're doing this selectively, but the situation it creates is, the only person with the power is the institution controlling the debates, no one can fact check or comment on it, and they can control who's allowed to fact check and comment on it.
That's an impossibility.
But I've got more news here.
To add to this, David Pakman, nine days ago, had announced the same thing.
And I was unaware of this.
And here you can see the copyright strike he received on his channel.
Let me remove the CC, the closed captions.
You can see that in no way does it affect his ability to stream.
As of right now, Fox Media LLC, October 6, filed the strike against him.
I can say this now.
I'm not going to reveal any... Here's what I can say.
Several other individuals who are providing commentary on the debates also received strikes and had their commentary taken down.
It's hard to know when, you know, we started doing a cursory search of other channels because the videos aren't there.
So we don't know if they did or didn't.
I don't track what everybody does.
But knowing that David did, I immediately saw this video.
When I started doing my search of this, and David also received a strike, so we'll see what happens over the next week or so, I don't know.
I would be shocked if Fox News actually tries to pursue lawsuits against a combined 50 million subscribers across the board, arguing that they are the only ones allowed To have commentary.
I will further add, in my view, and probably if there was going to be a suit, you know, my lawyers would be like, stop saying all this stuff.
I don't care.
This is important.
The show that we did is not even a substitute for what Fox was providing.
You could not even hear the debate half the time because we are just insulting politicians.
If you want to actually just listen to the words of the politicians, you go watch the debate on Fox News.
If you want to hear us yell at them and insult them, you come here, but you're not even hearing half the time what they were saying.
So I don't even think that argument stands.
Fox News is deciding to go to war against some of the biggest political commentators in the world right now.
I can't imagine they, I think this is, I think this is an abuse of the system and I think they lose on this, on this one.
This is insane.
And this is why, you know, initially we didn't even want to do the coverage of it because it's stupid because the lesser known Republican candidates, Trump is going to win.
And so we decided to simply because, you know, ultimately there's several things.
One, people really wanted to hear us fact check and comment on what they were saying.
And so they were like, look, they didn't care what was being shown in the debates.
They cared how we were responding.
Essentially, we want to debate the presidential candidates.
If Fox News has their way, there will be no public debate on our presidential candidates.
And I think that's absurd.
carter banks
It's like a reaction video.
tim pool
I can respect, to a certain degree, an argument made by Fox, but I think it's a bad argument that loses, because in order for us to have our institutions, our constitutional republic with democratic institutions, there must be a robust public debate on our political candidates, and they do not have the argument that they own the monopoly on the political debate.
If their show was simply truckers arguing truck driving, totally get it.
But these people want to be president, and Fox is telling me I have no right to fact check them in real time?
No way.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's no go ahead.
lauren witzke
No, they even went to the extent where you said that they had a choice where they could just take the video down or actually like punish you with a strike and they chose to punish you with a strike.
So that just kind of goes to show that it was, you know, kind of a weaponized attempt to take a stab at Tim Pool from Well, it's not just me.
tim pool
I mean, it's a bunch of people who got strikes.
They're going after everybody, is my understanding.
Well, I shouldn't say everybody.
They've gone after a lot of people.
I do have some questions, because I can say they didn't go after everyone just yet.
So I say just yet, but that's the point.
If Fox News is selectively taking down only some, then the argument would be they are creating an environment where any institution that is hosting a debate can choose who's allowed to comment on the debate.
Well, we can't have that.
There's no functioning democratic election if large institutions are like, we're going to let these seven people do it.
I mean, I'll put it this way.
I think Fox could quite literally be like, oh, all of those commentators, we give them a license.
Those ones, we take down.
And it's arbitrary.
It effectively just silos and manipulates and controls public discourse.
I think this is a gross infringement, an egregious abuse of the system.
But I also think, I think if they pursue a lawsuit, it goes to the Supreme Court, I think they lose.
libby emmons
I also think that it doesn't make any sense for Fox to be able to have a proprietary broadcast.
Anyone who wants to broadcast the debate should be allowed in to broadcast the debate.
That is in the public interest.
Like you were saying, these are people who want to be president.
Now, none of them are going to be president.
You know, but they're certainly out there trying to do this.
And any American should have the ability to see that.
And the fact that Fox News is on cable and a lot of people can't see that also is a problem.
tim pool
But it's free online.
And there's a lot of arguments they can make about who they allow to stream and things like that.
Don't care.
My argument is They want to create a world where they are the funnel of information on public discourse.
We have these things called anti-SLAPP laws.
SLAPP means Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation.
There are many states, probably half the country, where if I said, David Pakman is a leftist communist or whatever, insult him in some way.
Then he can't sue me for several reasons.
It's not just the higher standards, right?
You could actually, because David Pakman is a public figure, accuse him of doing a backflip and landing in the mud.
And let's argue that for some reason it's disparaging.
I'm not trying to disparage David, I'm just using it as an example because we pulled this channel up.
Anti-SLAPP laws basically shut the lawsuit down instantly arguing that my accusations against them are public participation.
That we are public figures having a debate in public and we are allowed to.
And so you have what's called Times v. Sullivan.
That's where if I said someone is a... If I said Carter Banks kicked a dog.
He can't sue me!
It's crazy, because the actual malice standard, based on the precedent of what's called Time v. Sullivan, he would have to prove I intentionally lied, knowing beforehand he did not kick a dog.
Which is almost impossible, because you'd have to get past summary judgment, get to discovery, know where to find the statements, and hope they are.
Let's say, I know for a fact that Carter behind the scenes was going, I'm gonna lie about Tim Pool and claim he kicked a dog."
And then I'm like, I know he did it. I heard him say it.
Can you prove it? No.
But he said it. Too bad. You're out.
Now you get that that's that's that's times if V Sullivan, most people are familiar with that.
That's how the left is able to call everyone Nazis and white supremacists.
They call Laura Loomer a white nationalist over Jimmy Kimmel just did.
I mean, that may be defamation per se.
I think she should sue, because she doesn't need to prove damages in that case.
Defamation per se is when you're accusing someone of something so egregious that it, in and of itself, is damaging.
Anti-SLAPP would then be, if I claim Jimmy Kibble kicked a dog, and he sued me over that, then it'd probably get thrown out instantly over anti-SLAPP.
There are a lot of states that are just like, nope, you can't.
He's talking about public stuff that's going on.
When I look at this, I see something very similar.
I think this needs to be handled by the Supreme Court.
It must be.
And the reason for it is, the era of the ubiquitous livestream is new.
It has not yet gone to the courts.
We need to know where the Supreme Court stands on our right To debate the political candidates in real time.
When a candidate stands on stage and says, when I was governor, I did this, and when I'm president, I'll do that.
And we go, whoa, whoa, whoa, he didn't do that when he was governor.
If there is no public debate allowed, then only wealthy institutions are allowed to control who's being president.
It destroys public participation in debates.
So, that's where I stand.
Rant over, I guess.
But we will have some developments in the next week or so as to what happens.
And I think if Fox News does decide to take this to court, Here's what I ultimately think.
I think Fox News will not.
I think they're going to cave, they're going to back down, and they're going to accept it.
Because if Fox News does sue, this will go to the Supreme Court, and they will lose.
And then it becomes precedent in law, and they'll never have a leg to stand on again.
libby emmons
I think that needs to happen, frankly.
I think it needs to be at the Supreme Court level.
tim pool
So there's only two ways that can happen.
The first is that Fox News files a full-fledged lawsuit against the people who commented.
I'm willing to bet they won't do it because they know it opens the door to defeat and it opens the door to them never having any ability to make an argument on proprietary rights again.
The other way would be if they overstep their bounds and file multiple strikes against a single individual, giving them damages and standing to a massive degree, which results in a lawsuit being filed against them.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
In which case, it goes to SCOTUS, they lose, that whole process could take a couple years, but Fox will be destroyed by it.
libby emmons
And they're already not doing so great after the Dominion lawsuit.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Right.
The best thing for Fox to do is certainly not this.
I would argue the best, the smartest thing Fox could do was actually try and negotiate with anyone who wants to do any kind of commentary some rights or distribution or some monetization package.
libby emmons
Or almost like a press pass.
carter banks
Right, I was just thinking that, like an e-press pass.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
I think, I think Fox should make the... So if this goes to SCOTUS, I think they lose.
Outright.
We have a right to call out politicians who are trying to be president and Fox News should not have the unilateral control over that.
It's one thing if the argument was we should have public cameras in those debates and Fox News shouldn't be allowed to have proprietary stream of these things.
I don't know about that.
My argument is, our show was not a substitute.
We were talking over the politicians half the time, you could barely hear what they were saying, we didn't even have the stream on their channel the whole time, and we were actively fact-checking and commenting.
I think they lose that one.
The smartest move they could make right now would be to go to all the channels and say, how about you give us ad rights when you do it?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That way we don't get into a lawsuit.
If they go this route, the first strike received by David, by me, and many others who have
gotten strikes has no impact whatsoever on the channel.
The second strike takes you off the air for 90 days.
We're talking between all these channels, I don't know what, $50 to $100 million in
libby emmons
Yeah, that's a lot of damages.
tim pool
I don't know if Fox News wants to handle another one of these lawsuits, and I don't know if they can handle a lawsuit from 15 multi-millionaire industry network individuals.
I mean, this is an insane thing they're trying to do right now.
libby emmons
I think also there's like a free speech consideration.
carter banks
Right.
libby emmons
That's so important.
You know, we have the right to comment and discuss those who are running for president, and we certainly have the right to do that in real time.
carter banks
Right.
We were talking about the bar situation before.
libby emmons
Right, I was going to mention that.
carter banks
Like, do you have, like, the debate on, at a bar, and people come buy drinks to, and they watch it.
tim pool
And they do.
They do that.
carter banks
Right, right.
So they're making money from the debates you can't really, I mean, that would be a shame.
tim pool
This is why I think this would need to go to SCOTUS.
This is a federal level issue.
Um, during the debates, I can tell you definitively, and everybody knows, bars and other venues have the debate on.
You go to a bar, the news is playing.
Now their argument is, yes, but we buy cable, you know, and so we can play these things on our TVs.
Sure.
But what they're doing now is, I didn't charge any money for anyone to come and watch the show.
The show was just us commenting on the news.
So that means all of these venues that are playing the debate and talking to people about it, they're going to argue that's copyright infringement?
libby emmons
Right, or like, you know, when you show movies, you're not supposed to show movies publicly.
And they always put that thing at the beginning, like, this is not for public distribution.
But that's totally different because that is an entertainment.
That is an entertainment that was created by whatever, you know, studio or entity makes the entertainment.
A presidential debate is not an entertainment.
It's a public service.
It's something that voters, in a lot of ways, voters demand because we want to know what our, you know, wannabe elected leaders... Because they're the voters.
They're the voters.
We want to know what they want to do to our country.
We want to know what they have to say about the state of the nation and what should be happening.
And I think that that should get out to as many people as possible as want to see it.
tim pool
Yep.
Fox News had issued a memo saying that they would go after anybody who did this, and we know that.
And I will say it plainly here.
We have asserted since the beginning they have no right to make this claim.
It is absolutely fair use.
What people need to understand is fair use is copyright infringement, but it has an exception in the law.
So typically what happens, because I've dealt with this quite a bit, is that When you infringe on someone, so when you engage in what you believe is fair use, you have infringed a copyright, the argument is then, will a judge agree that this is in the public interest in some way?
And we know that the typical grounds for fair use, they're not absolute.
So one thing people often like to say is the length of the content.
Maybe, but not always.
Sargon of Akkad, Carl Benjamin famously uploaded a clip from Akilah Hughes without comment,
the video was just a rip of her video, reuploaded.
She made the argument it was infringement because he didn't transform it, he didn't
comment on it, he didn't do anything.
Carl said, you are incorrect.
The title of the video itself was commentary and thus it is fair use.
She sued him.
Not only did she lose, she lost the subsequent filing where she had to pay him, I think it was $100,000.
Pounds.
Pounds.
Was it?
No, it was dollars.
It was in the United States.
Oh, really?
She sued him in the United States.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
And Carl won.
Because uploading I don't know if it was the entirety of the video.
I think it was several minutes.
I think it was like five minutes.
And it was just a rip from her channel, quoted the video, and she says, that's not fair use.
It was.
Simply because he put a title that said like, it was titled something like, the absolute mental state of the left, or something like this.
That's all it took.
The issue here, a lot of people make these arguments, we're talking about people who want to be president, who are live, real time, lying, misrepresenting facts, and saying things that need to be fact-checked by journalists.
And this is the modern era.
News is presented in this format.
It is no longer a world where, you know, we didn't sneak a camera into Fox News and broadcast it.
That's essentially their argument is predicated upon an old school era where someone recaptures their stream and reposts it, whereas we were actually engaging in public discourse.
libby emmons
That's something that's going on in a lot of law right now.
Like we just saw this Douglas Mackey case, Ricky Vaughn from 2016, and he had posted memes leading up to the 2016 election, joking around that Hillary Clinton voters should text their vote for Hillary Clinton.
And the joke, of course, it's basically a political cartoon, right?
Which is a point that Jack Posobiec and Gavin Wax were making the other day on Jack's show.
But that's essentially what it is.
It's a political cartoon.
And the idea is that he was making the joke that Hillary Clinton voters aren't smart enough to know whether or not they could vote by text message.
Now, of course, as it turns out, in the trial against him, it turned out that the Department of Justice could not prove that anyone was harmed at all by this joke.
No one voted by text.
Because as a result of this meme that he posted, yet the Department of Justice and the FBI investigated the meme, which was like, vote for Hillary Clinton by text, you know.
tim pool
It was like, it was like, vote from home, text here.
libby emmons
Right, right, right.
And it was like, and so the Department of Justice and the FBI, the FBI investigated, the Department of Justice alleged that it was an ad.
Not a meme, not a joke.
tim pool
And do you remember the Democrat woman who did the same thing?
libby emmons
Yeah, the Democrat woman did the same thing.
We documented that.
Every time we've covered it at Post Millennial, we document and a Democrat did the exact same thing, saying that Trump voters should vote by text message.
That woman was not prosecuted.
She was not investigated by the FBI.
Douglas Mackey was.
He was convicted.
Seven months.
There it is.
tim pool
We have this from the Postmillennial.
She said, hey Trump supporters, skip poll lines at election 2016 and text in your vote.
Text votes are legit or vote tomorrow on Super Wednesday.
So text votes are legit should have put her in criminal territory relative to what this guy did.
libby emmons
And there's his too.
tim pool
This one just says, avoid the line, vote from home, text Hillary.
I'm with her, go Hillary.
It's a meme.
It's a joke.
And the funny thing is, this is 2020.
When did he post that?
libby emmons
That was 2016.
tim pool
But was it after hers?
libby emmons
I don't know.
tim pool
She said text votes are legit.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
I suppose the argument is she didn't include a number to call.
Or did she?
Because it's a video.
libby emmons
There's a video, but the video was taken down, which is why we have that.
Which is why we just have her screenshot.
But yeah, so he posted this.
The Department of Justice claimed that it was an ad and didn't acknowledge that it was a meme, accused him of conspiracy against rights, which is of course what Donald Trump is being accused of by the DOJ right now over January 6th.
He was convicted of essentially election interference and he's supposed to spend seven months in prison over this.
We actually got a message from a fact checker today being like, can you provide any evidence for your claim that he's being sentenced to seven months in prison over a meme?
And it's like, why, yes, we can provide all of the documentation that we have, as well as the Department of Justice.
A press release about the conviction in the first place that says he posted this ad and it was investigated by the FBI.
It's absolutely insane, but it's another First Amendment rights issue.
And we have had so many of these recently.
We see in the cases against Donald Trump where he's being slapped with gag orders.
He's not allowed to speak publicly about various elements of the case.
And it's basically because the prosecutors don't like getting made fun of on Truth Social That's the issue.
They don't like that.
unidentified
They feel, you know, they feel insulted.
lauren witzke
When did they actually file this?
Because it was from the 2016 election.
It was from the 2016 election.
It's a meme about it.
But does it say they didn't even file a complaint until 2021?
So they waited until after 2020 to go after him, like after the whole election stuff that went on with Trump.
Oh, for something it didn't even affect the 2016 election for the 22 or the 2020 election, which is interesting, which is dangerous to which means they're hunting people down from the old school Trump era, people that helped Trump get elected the first time they're going after them.
carter banks
Even now, so like out of pardon territory.
Yeah, just just in case.
lauren witzke
Yep.
libby emmons
Yeah, it was USA Today that reached out to us.
But what, let's see, when did they do it?
They just, they just spoke about the sentencing.
And they said that, they said, as proven at trial by 2016, Mackey had established an audience on Twitter with approximately 58,000 followers.
A February 2016 analysis by the IT Media Lab ranked Mackey as one of the most significant influencers on the then upcoming presidential election.
So they were using that against him, like the fact that he had a platform, the fact that he had a lot of followers.
carter banks
But his platform followers follow him because he makes memes probably.
libby emmons
Because he makes memes.
carter banks
Would they be voting for Hillary by text?
libby emmons
Right.
Yeah.
carter banks
That's a bad argument.
libby emmons
And we had to explain the joke to the fact checker.
We had to be like, the joke was!
But these are contemporary political cartoons.
That's what's going on here.
tim pool
Right.
So the point is, this guy's followers are not voting for Hillary at all.
libby emmons
Right.
Exactly.
Well, he needs to go to jail.
And now he's gonna go to jail.
What they said, For example, on November 1st, 2016, in or around the same time that Mackey was sending tweets suggesting the importance of limiting black turnout, so they're using a racial thing, the defendant tweeted an image depicting an African-American woman standing in front of an African-Americans for Hillary sign.
The ad stated, avoid the line, vote from home.
And they say that that's deceptive and they're using that racial thing as though that like somehow makes it worse.
carter banks
It's got like a different argument than the one that they're trying to use.
libby emmons
It's exactly, yeah.
Yeah.
And then they complain that he also tweeted the same image in Spanish.
But I mean, that's actually kind of funny.
carter banks
That may be the only one they have.
It's amusing.
libby emmons
You know, it's amusing.
So yeah, I think what is happening to Timcast over this Fox News thing, that's definitely a 1A thing.
carter banks
Well, I was thinking about it too, and it's like, if you just muted the video and had the transcript, it would be...
Like 80%, it would be, you could not even get the debate through that.
It would be mostly commentary and jumbled words around, I mean, you wouldn't be able to, it's not the same thing at all.
serge du preez
Yeah, the transcript of what we said.
carter banks
Right.
serge du preez
Right, yeah, definitely.
tim pool
Right, and the people who are like, I can't hear what they're saying, I'm like, then go watch the debate, I guess?
serge du preez
Yeah, we can just go turn on ABC yourself, you know?
tim pool
But this thing with Douglas Mackey is a whole other thing.
I mean, 2024 is gonna get nuts.
I strongly recommend everybody watch this morning's Culture War.
If you did not, you need to.
It was with Dr. Robert Epstein and Robert Bose.
And we were discussing, mostly it was Dr. Epstein discussing what Google does, and you gotta watch it, two hours of him breaking down how Google's cheating.
libby emmons
Google's cheating on the election.
tim pool
Well, so, it's really, really simple.
He said that they have hard data tracking this, admissible in court, provable.
On election day, 100% of Democrat voters get a notification, go vote.
libby emmons
Really?
tim pool
And 59% of Republicans get the same thing.
That is enough.
It doesn't matter if, and I think that may have been Facebook, one of the big tech companies had done something like this.
It doesn't matter if they control what you see or hear.
All that matters is they remind you.
On the day of, Republicans get, don't forget to go buy pizza and wings today!
Don't miss out on the new, uh, imagine this, it's election day, and you wake up in the morning, you're like, am I forgetting something?
And you look at your phone, and you're a Trump supporter, and it says, major discount at wings, you know, wings store, and huge party available, get, you know, 10 cent wings today!
And you're like, whoa!
You call your buddies, like, hey man, they got 10 cent wings!
We should go hang out, and you know, and watch the game, and like, let's go!
Totally forgetting it's election day.
And the Democrats wake up and look at their phone and it says, go and vote right now.
And they go, oh, that's right.
Voting today.
It's all it takes.
If they can get 5% of Republicans not to vote by doing something like that, it's done.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's enough.
tim pool
Yep.
libby emmons
And between that and the intensive suppression that there was in 2020 of anything that would indicate Joe Biden was a giant liar with a history of family corruption, you know.
lauren witzke
Okay, so they were putting ads on social media, like reminding Democrats to go out and vote?
tim pool
I wouldn't call them ads.
lauren witzke
What were they, like reminders?
tim pool
You get a notification?
lauren witzke
From Facebook itself?
tim pool
Like, yeah, when you go on Facebook, you've never gotten these?
lauren witzke
Yeah, I have.
It was like, yeah, I guess you're right, but they were targeting mostly Democrats.
tim pool
Well, what he was saying is that, I don't know which platform he mentioned did this, but he said Democrats, 100% of the Democrats in their study got notifications to go vote, and only 59% of Republicans did.
lauren witzke
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, that's all it takes.
And then there's, of course, the information manipulation, which everyone is mostly focused on, but you got to understand how simple it is.
Now, the interesting thing is, he said, When Ted Cruz filed a letter, basically calling, I think, calling Google out for this, he said, we watched in Georgia, the mechanism by which the bias is created, turn off.
They're tracking what he said were ephemeral, what they call ephemeral experiences.
And this is crazy.
This is crazy stuff.
Here's how it works.
Everything you do online, mostly recordable and tracked.
You post a tweet, someone can archive it.
However, the Google search results that you get will never be repeated.
You get that one time, that image that you see on that page is not stored or archived anywhere, and it's gone in a moment.
libby emmons
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be stored.
libby emmons
No, but yeah, I remember realizing how crazy it is that my Google search results for the exact same search terms were different than somebody else's.
tim pool
And they'll be different for you the next time you do it.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And so with that... Why is that?
libby emmons
Why did he say that was?
tim pool
So, well, that's just the nature by which Google operates.
When you search, the algorithm will generate a list of possibilities, and if you search again, it may change.
But because these things are ephemeral, what happens is...
Google, I suppose the argument is, you can search for Donald Trump.
Google can send you the most insane things ever.
Trump is Hitler, Trump is evil.
And then you're like, oh my God.
No one saw that it happened.
You will never see it again, and you can't prove it.
So, they thought, this data is not being tracked, but it's manipulating people's perspectives.
Perception.
So what he started doing, what they do now is, they have a whole bunch of volunteers, tens of thousands I think, twelve thousand or whatever, and they actually track all the searches and everything everyone's seeing, and they've actually created a database proving the bias, and tracking it in real time.
So when Ted Cruz sent this letter, he watched the lopsidedness of Democrats being given positive information, Republicans being, you know, negative information.
Then Ted Cruz sends a letter and it's gone.
And I think Zach Voorhees, a whistleblower who came out to Veritas, made a similar argument.
Made a similar argument that Google can turn it off and on and manipulate elections and all that.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
carter banks
They pick what goes at the top, and you can't tell me they don't, because... What's really weird, too, is Douglas Murray's Madness of Crowds has a whole chapter about how when you type in, like, married couple, it will show you, like, two men and a baby or something weird or different.
lauren witzke
Interracial couples.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
Yeah, it's kind of like agenda-driven in the... Yeah, you think?
unidentified
You think?
lauren witzke
I haven't seen a commercial with all white people in it since the Canadian suicide commercials.
Oh, and the army ones recently are coming out.
They're white.
But there is absolutely an agenda behind everything because radical leftists run Silicon Valley.
They run the big tech industries.
They run pretty much everything.
That's why it was so important when Elon Musk took over Twitter.
It was like one of our guys like taking over like a giant and kind of leveling the playing field.
And that's what we have to do.
We have to continue to build.
We have to continue to start like a hostile takeover of these tech companies.
libby emmons
Well, or the parallel economy, which I think is so great, you know, to see alternative ways like, you know, the company that Tim was just highlighting at the top, the cool wood products.
Don't buy them from Ikea, buy them from this guy, you know?
I think that's a better way to go.
Right.
I was recently, so I travel a lot for work and I was walking down the Whatever you call it, the jetway to get onto the plane, and you're standing there waiting to get on the plane, and it's just all advertisements of, you know, why our airline is the best one.
And there was an interracial couple, there was a gay couple, there were like all of these, everyone who was in it was sort of like alternative to what you would traditionally have seen, like the more stereotypical thing.
And I was like, it's just so obviously intentionally done, you know, these changes that are being made to affect our impression.
And I think that it's true, like I saw this recently, it was like most of these ads are geared toward middle-aged white women.
serge du preez
Yeah, definitely.
lauren witzke
That's funny.
libby emmons
Who are like all on SSRIs anyway.
lauren witzke
Disturbed, right?
tim pool
The general marketing idea that we, so you'll see a lot of these commercials where it's an interracial couple with mixed race kids.
And there's a lot of people who think it's a conspiracy to like get white people to stop having kids or something or to, you know, mixed race date or something like that.
No.
It's actually really simple because I know a bunch of marketing guys.
And when this, before this stuff even started happening, The conversation was occurring in these rooms, marketing rooms.
They're basically saying, we have a marketing budget of $10 million.
We need to hit these demographics.
And they'd be like, okay, what's our what's our strategy for selling, you know, insert product in the white neighborhoods of Detroit?
What's our strategy for black neighborhoods, and then millennial?
The brilliant millennial goes, why don't we just have like a black wife and a white husband?
Because then you can sell to the black neighborhood and the white neighborhood.
And they were like, that's a good point.
We can save costs by doing one commercial if we show a black person and a white person in the same shot enjoying a meal with our product.
And they're like, that's a great idea.
And it doesn't work.
The exact opposite happens.
It becomes relatable to no one.
But that was a lot of the mentality of these marketing firms was like, how can we minimize the cost of production and maximize our reach?
They thought white liberals are gonna eat this stuff up and it'll play really well in minority communities because, you know, interracial couples.
And it's like, bro, interracial people are like 3% of this country.
You have just dramatically removed yourself from what people would relate to.
I'm sorry that it's true.
serge du preez
People just forget that it's a budget thing.
It has mainly to do with saving money.
It's more effective.
carter banks
It seems well-intentioned, but not thought through.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's not going to work on paper, even though on paper it looks like it does work.
In reality, it's not going to work.
In practice, it doesn't work.
tim pool
Look at Victoria's Secret.
They switched back!
libby emmons
Fascinating, right?
serge du preez
Great example.
tim pool
So they got rid of the angels, the sexy women in lingerie.
libby emmons
In like 2018-ish?
tim pool
Yeah, 2020.
libby emmons
They put Megan Rapinoe in.
tim pool
No, no, it was 2021.
libby emmons
Yeah, and they put Megan Rapinoe in.
tim pool
Yep, and some fat women, and they were like, this is what women want.
libby emmons
And trans, a lot of trans, a lot of men advertising women's lingerie.
tim pool
Remember Calvin Klein? He had big morbidly obese people.
And so the, and if you go to the mall, you'll see their models are just morbidly obese
and they have morbidly obese mannequins.
The argument being made was, this is more representative.
So we're trying to target real women, right?
Well, why do this, you know, these, these sexy models, women don't, aren't like that.
They want to see real people.
These marketing people are dumb as a box of rocks.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's kind of true.
As someone who has a marketing degree and went through a big school in the United States, most people that are in marketing are there because their dad told them to or they just don't know what they're doing in school.
They're not really in it for the thing.
tim pool
Victoria's Secret reverts and goes back to sexy women, realizing that, okay, that didn't work.
And I think we'll see a lot of the same thing in advertisements.
They're gonna say, okay, you know, like, look, this area in this city is 90% white, and we're trying to sell them a product.
We want them to think, that's me, and I should use that product.
So if you create an experience to them that is more foreign, figuratively and literally, then that's not resonating with them.
libby emmons
Yeah, it doesn't resonate with me.
I remember seeing the, I remember seeing the ads of like men wearing lingerie.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
libby emmons
And like, it's like trans people in lingerie or like very large women in lingerie
or even just in regular clothes.
Seeing Dylan Mulvaney in a Kate Spade dress, like I'm never gonna buy that dress.
When I look at clothes, I don't know about you Lauren, but when I look at clothes and I think like,
oh, it looks great on that person.
And then you sort of have this in your mind, like if I buy that, I will look great too.
You don't wanna see how bad the clothes look on really fat people, because then you look at it
and you're like, oh, I'm gonna like fatten it too.
lauren witzke
I'm not looking at an extra large person thinking, yeah, I need that.
I need to look just like that.
But it was crazy.
But it was also, what was, but obviously there was an agenda behind it because they cannot expect that to, like, increase sales.
You know, if we put extra large, very offensive looking people in our clothes, like how, this is not going to increase sales.
Which brings you back to the agenda.
It's all about the agenda.
The agenda that, oh, obesity is beautiful.
Oh, to be, Um, you know, way overweight and unhealthy.
That's how you need to be in order to get the spread in Victoria's Secret.
Same with Dylan Mulvaney.
You know, if you are a male who decides to dress as a, you know, dress as a woman, hey, you get a Bud Light deal.
You got a Tampax deal.
He got everything under his gun.
libby emmons
He got a Tampax deal.
lauren witzke
He did.
unidentified
He did.
libby emmons
He got a Tampax deal.
unidentified
Yes.
It's amazing.
libby emmons
That was so ridiculous.
tim pool
So I think what we're seeing now is All of these women, liberal women, claiming they believe these things, have been lying the whole time.
And Victoria's Secret is proof.
The proof is, sales declined.
Hey, hold on.
Victoria's Secret didn't pull a Bud Light.
I mean, they kind of did.
But there was no big boycott, no big backlash.
Women didn't go around saying, no more Victoria's Secret!
They just silently stopped buying it.
libby emmons
They just stopped buying it.
tim pool
While cheering for it.
These liberal leftist women were like, yay!
I'm not buying that.
And what does it show?
Here's how I think it works.
The beautiful women that you see in lingerie, women are like, I understand that woman is objectively beautiful.
I want to be objectively beautiful like her.
I want to wear what she's wearing and be objectively beautiful.
But when you put morbidly obese women and people like Megan Rapinoe who is Look, she's a great athlete, props to her and all that, but
she is not what men typically and stereotypically are attracted to.
And she doesn't want that.
That's fine for her.
I'm not arguing anything.
I'm just saying, women, then look at Megan Rapinoe and go, she is not objectively beautiful.
I do not want to look like her.
Stops buying the product.
libby emmons
Clothes are aspirational.
You buy clothes because you want them to make you look good and you want to feel good.
And you want to feel like you're part of whatever the beautiful thing is.
tim pool
How many women buy one size smaller because they're like, I'm going to fit in this?
libby emmons
I literally never do that.
tim pool
And I just have to return it.
unidentified
That would never happen.
tim pool
There are...
libby emmons
That just makes me feel worse.
tim pool
Looking at Victoria's Secret models, okay, well, I'm not a woman, but
my assumption is the reason why we have movies where
the dudes are massive, like, you know, Chris
Hemsworth in Thor, for instance, that you always see these stories
where, actually, Jason Momoa Momoa?
What's his name?
libby emmons
Lisa Bonet's ex-husband.
tim pool
They posted a photo of him at the beach and they were like, he's looking pretty fat.
He wasn't.
It's just that he dehydrates himself so that his skin gets real thin.
You can see his muscles so he looks ripped.
But then when he starts drinking water again... Dehydration?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So when you see men in movies and they're looking all ripped and their veins are bulging and they have muscles and they're like grr, they don't drink water for two days.
libby emmons
Oh, awful!
That's so awful!
Because I would much rather have a hydrated puffy guy.
tim pool
Yep, and then you'll see like, it looks like love handles, but it's thick skin and they have some fat on their body, but to get in shape for the movie they eat Ridiculous amounts of fish and chicken all day every day work out relentlessly and then dehydrate right before they film the scene.
The reason we go to those extremes is because you're trying to create something beyond the normal, something aspirational.
That looks like a heroic, very, very strong man.
I imagine it's similar in a certain way for women with like Victoria's Secret and these other companies.
They say, we all know that men and women find that beautiful and we want to be as beautiful as we can be so we want to be like them.
That's why I think the sales drop when they put morbidly obese women.
Cause like, well there's a bunch of fat women.
They don't want to look like that?
No, they want to look like supermodels.
They want to improve themselves and be better.
They want to look better and be more attractive.
Men want to look better and be more attractive?
Men want to do more pull-ups or whatever.
But then you see it all fall apart.
lauren witzke
Right.
And also, I think, like, for example, with Victoria's Secret, like, guys buy stuff for their, like, wives and girlfriends and stuff like that.
tim pool
Yeah, I was just thinking that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
lauren witzke
And they're looking at Big Bon Quiche over there, just thinking, I don't know about that.
So, like, they want, like, the good-looking stuff, because a lot of men buy stuff for their girls, too, and they don't think about that.
tim pool
That's a really good point, too.
The guy walks to the mall, and he's like, I want to, like, my wife, you know, I want to get her something nice, and they're like, take a look at this, and there's, like, a 300-pound morbidly obese mannequin, and they're just like, she would take this as an insult.
carter banks
Like, you can't do that.
tim pool
Let's talk about this story here from the Daily Mail.
Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones must still pay $1 billion in damages to San Diego families and can't hide behind his bankruptcy protection judge rules.
This is crazy.
They're saying that bankruptcy is not enough.
So the general idea of a bankruptcy is, hey, We need to prioritize what we're paying back to keep the company operating.
If they begin to seize his assets, InfoWars will cease to exist.
That was always the point.
I'm not surprised this is happening.
It's going to get a lot worse in 2024.
They're going to start going after everybody.
serge du preez
Yeah.
But there's kind of part of it with the whole YouTube thing.
It's going to start happening.
carter banks
Yeah.
serge du preez
It's all going to start happening by whatever means.
tim pool
This is different from, you know, Fox.
The thing about Fox News and the strike, I think this is just something that needs to be, the precedent has not been set on a new technology and a change in how the public operates.
lauren witzke
Right.
tim pool
So this is one of the first elections where you have ubiquitous live streams with prominent personalities who dominate prime time.
So, of course, the argument from Fox is like, hey, what do you think you're doing?
And it's like, welcome to the new world of public participation.
This technology exists.
People have always played the debates and argued and debated them and fact-checked them to the public.
Now it's happening in the digital world.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
If Fox News has their way, it reverses the internet.
You know, hey, maybe then there's no living the pot and eat the bugs because you can't have digital broadcasts and digital public debate.
They'd get rid of it.
This is different.
Alex Jones' opinions.
Ten years ago, he had very bad ones.
He's got to pay a billion dollars.
Okay, fine.
He lost.
They had a summary judgment against him.
He files for bankruptcy.
This will destroy the company.
It'll get all my employees fired.
And the judge says, so what?
This is lawfare.
This is... They are trying to destroy Alex Jones.
lauren witzke
And you know, you had talked earlier, like, said earlier about, like, defamation lawsuits.
Now, they have to be said in malice.
And I truly don't believe he said those things in malice back then.
You know what I'm saying?
I think he truly believed them back then, and how did they get him?
tim pool
Actual malice means you intentionally lied, you knew what you were saying was false.
lauren witzke
Yeah, so you say something intentionally knowing it was false.
So it absolutely is, because, like, a lot of us, like, There's a lot of misinformation.
There's a lot of stuff out there.
We say things, we see things, and we make a statement believing it at the time.
He didn't say that in malice.
He truly believed what he was saying at the time.
And now they're still coming after him ten years later.
And he never even said anything.
Alex Jones never said anything that stated, oh yeah, I knew it wasn't true, and I said it anyway.
So it really is just a continued weaponization of the justice system to shut down all dissent.
To shut down digital media because they're coming for you next because cable television is dying and digital is the future and anybody who has a name for themselves or make some really good points or actually does some damage on culture, taking back the culture, they're going to try and come for you.
So that's just what they do.
So you have to, you know, and honestly, apologizing to they come after you when you start apologizing
they smell blood never apologize never they have smell blood and they will
libby emmons
take you all the way down. That's your whole struggle session thing. Don't
apologize in a struggle session. Yep. Just sit there and take it and leave. That's true. That's it. Why
did they say that he can't file for bankruptcy and protect himself that way? I mean I assume
tim pool
the reason is arbitrary Quote, the families are pleased with the court ruling that Jones's malicious conduct will find no safe harbor in the bankruptcy court, said Christopher Mattei, a Connecticut lawyer.
As a result, Jones will continue to be accountable for his actions.
On his site, yada yada.
I don't know.
libby emmons
That seems absurd.
Also, where is he supposed to get a billion dollars if he only has 14 million?
carter banks
It's like saying, we know you don't have it, but that's not good enough.
libby emmons
And how is he supposed to get it if they shut down his channel?
carter banks
That's the only way he makes money.
tim pool
Because that's not what it's about.
libby emmons
So they just want to scuttle him.
tim pool
This is, I think this proves it.
If it was really about recovering damages, they'd say bankruptcy must protect Alex Jones, and then we will garnish whatever wages and profit he would get off his show.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
But if they're saying no bankruptcy protection, then InfoWars ceases to exist, and that's it.
End of story.
No money for anybody.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's kind of like a by any means possible kind of thing is what I'm saying.
No matter what, whatever they can do.
tim pool
I don't know if it says what is explanation for why bankruptcy doesn't apply.
At least here it just says the judge said it.
So it is.
I don't know what the argument is.
libby emmons
Yeah.
lauren witzke
When was this ruled?
Was this today?
libby emmons
Today.
lauren witzke
Really?
libby emmons
Yeah.
lauren witzke
This just happened today?
I knew that they, like, initially were suing him for the entire, like, it was, like, the same amount as the military defense.
carter banks
Yeah, the economy of France or something like that?
lauren witzke
Yeah, it was, like, the defense budget of the United States, something ridiculous.
And it was, you know, I mean, they're just trying to take him down, you know.
I hope Alex stays strong.
We're with you, man.
unidentified
Like, this is not good.
lauren witzke
And they're just like, it's not even legal.
It's not legal what they're doing.
And I hope he appeals it.
I know that different states have different, you know, standards on how much you can sue a person for.
So like in the state of Connecticut, like even though it was in Connecticut, in some places like they couldn't sue him for more than a certain amount legally.
So I don't know if this still applies to that or if that just overrules all of that.
I'd have to read it.
tim pool
Even CNN doesn't give the reasoning behind why he's not protected from, like, bankruptcy.
This doesn't make sense.
It just says, the judge said it.
The families filed the motion because they thought he wouldn't pay, and then it goes on to explain the past lawsuit.
serge du preez
I love the logic behind that.
We thought we wouldn't pay, so we just charged you a bunch more money.
Right.
Millions and millions more dollars.
tim pool
Well, no, they're saying we thought he wouldn't pay because of the bankruptcy, so we want the judge to say he can't use bankruptcy, and the judge said, okay.
serge du preez
Oh, wow.
tim pool
But it doesn't explain with the judges why.
serge du preez
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Why is this one bypassing bankruptcy?
I still don't think the family would get a single penny.
And it's because if Jones goes, if Infowars is out of business, there's no money.
serge du preez
Right.
Exactly.
libby emmons
Most of the debt that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy is child support, alimony, unpaid taxes, and student loan debt.
Most other things, according to Investopedia, can be alleviated through bankruptcy.
Yeah, so I wonder what makes this special.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
You know, like what the, what the law is there.
And he fired, filed chapter 11, is that what he did?
Or was it?
tim pool
Yeah, chapter 11.
libby emmons
Chapter 11.
tim pool
He says, uh, those, uh, okay, so Lopez ruled the protections do not apply over findings of willful and malicious conduct.
libby emmons
Oh, that's another one.
Here it is.
It says, debts for willful and malicious injury to another person or property.
Willful and malicious here means deliberate and without just cause.
So that's one too.
Debts for death or personal injury.
tim pool
It was a default ruling.
libby emmons
Caused by the debtor.
Yeah.
That doesn't seem reasonable either.
tim pool
There was no trial over this.
There was only a settlement hearing.
Jones never actually got to argue any of his case.
libby emmons
That does not seem... How did we get to that point, though?
tim pool
I mean, look, people keep saying, oh, you know, civil war is a stupid thing to say.
And it's like, dude, it's not just that Trump has been indicted on like 91 or 94 counts.
It's not just that they've arrested his lawyers.
It's not just that a couple of his lawyers have just been sentenced to five and six years of probation for being his lawyers.
It's not just that they're going after Alex Jones in what is clearly going to destroy a media outlet, and that he got no trial for it.
It's not just that Donald Trump was found in a summary judgment to have committed fraud without a trial in New York.
It's not just that a judge said Donald Trump's properties are worth a fraction of what they're actually worth, even to the protest of finance experts and real estate experts.
It is not just That they have been targeting Trump supporters, J6ers, solitary confinement.
It's not just that far leftists have received no penalty for the hundreds who stormed the Capitol recently.
Light slap on the wrist.
It's not just that Ricky Vaughn, Douglas Mackey, gets seven months and a Democrat who did the same thing gets nothing.
Should the list go on?
Should the list go on?
libby emmons
It goes on endlessly.
tim pool
No, I'm just saying there is so much evidence that the machine is trying to crush and destroy you for political reasons.
To argue that we are not entering one of the most dangerous times in this country's history is ludicrous, and you'd have to forget every yesterday to believe we are not headed towards something truly dark.
Now, I kind of don't think we're losing, to be completely honest, like I said.
There's a lot of reasons to think that we are winning.
But the desperation is becoming palpable, and I don't know to what degree this goes.
It may just be Trump wins, and then, oh, there we go.
But you guys, watch the Culture War episode we did this morning.
I think it's episode 34, it may be?
With Dr. Robert Epstein, as he breaks down the machine of Google, Facebook, Big Tech, and how they are controlling what you think, and they know everything about what you're doing.
We've talked about it.
Facebook can predict if you're going to quit your job.
Facebook can predict if you're going to go have a bite to eat.
Facebook knows what restaurant you're going to before you even know.
Because the algorithms, the AI, it knows all of the characteristics about you and then it can formulate these probabilities and know exactly what you're going to do.
libby emmons
That's why when you'll be, you could be thinking something and then you see an ad for it and you didn't say it out loud and you didn't say anything to anybody.
You're just thinking it.
unidentified
That is freaky.
libby emmons
I hate when that happens and it's freaky.
tim pool
People think that the reason an ad will appear on Instagram, like you're talking with your buddy and you're like, you know, I kind of think I need a TV.
And then an ad appears like, get a new TV.
You're like, yo, it's spying on me.
It's not.
Predictive algorithms know more about you than you know about yourself.
Now, don't get me wrong.
They're spying on you for sure.
And if you have voice activation on your phone, your phone is recording everything you say, always.
Because in order to activate, it has to be listening to you, right?
And if you want your phone to activate whenever you say your passphrase, then it has to be listening all the time, waiting for that passphrase.
How does voice activation work?
Voice tech works by taking your voice, sending it off to a private company, translating that audio file into a text file, sending it back to your device, and then inputting that as a command.
Which means, everything you say.
Several famous stories where there was a murder, and an Amazon device recorded the entire murder, and they were like, we have the recording, and people were like, how?
In order to activate the Amazon device, it must be always recording.
Otherwise, how does it know when you say those words?
It's like arguing that you plug your ears and put on headphones so you can't hear anything, but as soon as someone says your name, you'll take them off.
Well, how are you going to hear them say your name if you're wearing earmuffs?
That's the same thing with these Amazon and Google devices.
They are listening 24-7.
Welcome to your brave new world.
serge du preez
Yeah, so be careful in those houses when you're in there at night stalking them, trying to, you know, injure them.
You can be careful with that Amazon.
Be careful.
Turn it off.
Yeah.
tim pool
I just think, I think this Alex Jones story, I think next year is gonna get crazy.
serge du preez
Yeah, definitely will.
lauren witzke
I think we're going to have to vote Trump out of prison.
What do you think?
Do you think we're going to get to that point?
I think we're going to have to vote him out so he can pardon himself.
I'm ready to do it, though.
tim pool
I think Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chaseborough stabbing him in the back is going to result in widespread 14th Amendment lawsuits in every state.
lauren witzke
She took a plea deal, didn't she?
libby emmons
She did, yeah, and so did Chaseborough.
tim pool
And agreed to testify against him.
And by pleading guilty, What people keep saying, it's like, it's so funny, they're like, yeah, but she took misdemeanor charges for action interfering, like interfering in an election or something, and Trump's name wasn't mentioned, and it's like, okay, okay, yeah, headline, guilty.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
So now what's going to happen is, Trump's lawyer pleaded guilty and has actually been sentenced. Every Democrat, you know,
Mark Elias, they're going to file 50000 lawsuits all saying in this court case, in this court
case, in this court case, the defendant admitted they interfered. They admitted and they were
working for Donald Trump directly.
libby emmons
And there's a reason they keep charging the little guy first.
There's a reason they charged all the January 6th people in Tanya Chutkan's court before they dragged Trump into her court.
And the other thing, too, is you see at Mar-a-Lago in the documents case, they got the IT guy to flip on Trump as well.
They got him a plea deal.
And so he's going to testify as well that he was, I think they're alleging that he had been pressured to erase surveillance footage.
lauren witzke
Well, see, I think that they do a lot of this, too, to get the headlines.
So the headlines, Trump's lawyer pleads guilty to this election fraud, like election manipulation or all these different things to demoralize his base.
Because I know that base from 2020 truly believes In the Stop the Steal movement, you know, everything they marched for, everything they truly believed in, and it's a way to demoralize them as we go into 2024, like thinking, am I crazy?
Like, was I wrong for supporting that movement?
And they do that with those headlines.
So it's not just chipping away at Trump.
It's chipping away at his base to demoralize his base.
And that's something important to know.
Like when they gave Sidney Powell a plea deal, then they knew that would hurt.
That would kind of hurt because she had a lot of big supporters during the Stop the Steal movement.
And she just, you know, that was that was a hit.
And they're just chipping away at him, hoping that Trump will give up.
You know, that's the whole thing.
If we indict him enough, Maybe we'll get him to give up.
But every time they do that, his polling numbers go up, and it's just getting better and better.
So you're right, Tim.
It's going to be a crazy year.
However, it's going to be brutal too, because they won't stop.
tim pool
They're going to file insane lawsuits.
Yes.
And they're going to make the 14th Amendment argument that he can't be president.
Check out this story we have in the Daily Mail.
Judge fines Trump $5,000 for calling his clerk Schumer's girlfriend in now-deleted Truth Social post.
So you mean to tell me?
That after he was told to shut up, he retroactively then came back and said, okay, now you gotta pay me money?
libby emmons
Yeah, so they made Trump be quiet.
Trump deleted the post, and now they're fining him?
tim pool
It says the judge said it was a blatant violation of a gag order preventing Trump from publicly attacking his staff.
Did he call Schumer's girlfriend again?
libby emmons
I don't think so.
I don't think he did it again.
I think it was just the one time.
carter banks
Was that before?
libby emmons
He deleted it, but it also appeared on his campaign website.
unidentified
Hm.
tim pool
Right, this was the old post.
I thought that was the pretext for the gag.
libby emmons
It was.
Yes, he didn't want him, uh, Ngoron, is that how you say his name?
Ngoron?
tim pool
I guess?
libby emmons
Did not want Trump saying mean things about his staff.
carter banks
Okay, so that was the mean thing that caused him to want a gag order?
libby emmons
Yes.
carter banks
And then after the gag order, he went back and is now fining Trump for this post that he had erased?
libby emmons
Yeah, because it looks like it was also on his campaign website.
tim pool
Hey, this is just the beginning.
I think the judges are going to do a whole bunch of crazy stuff, right?
They can lock Trump up right now on contempt.
Mm-hmm.
You don't need a reason for that.
He can come in and he can wait for Trump to say anything.
Hey, watch your tone with me.
If you do that again, I'm gonna hold you in contempt.
And then Trump says, okay, fine.
I warned you, lock him up, bailiff.
They could play whatever shady games they want.
Now, granted, he's got cameras in the courtroom, so he's trying to be a movie star here, because he's a psychopath.
But we'll see how that plays out.
I just think people... Many people on the right, libertarians, post-liberals, etc., keep thinking they're playing a game of chess.
You know, where it's like, okay, well, you know, I know the rules, you know the rules, you do the best move, I'll do the best move.
Meanwhile, they're sitting back and they've got like five queens and they're like, what's that over there?
And they put a queen on the board and it's like, well, how do you have two queens?
It's like, what do you mean?
It's just normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
It's like they changed the rules last year.
You can now have five queens.
tim pool
Yeah.
What do you mean?
Last year we agreed.
serge du preez
We all agreed.
tim pool
I mean, why don't you have five queens?
Oh, that's too bad.
I win.
It's like playing Monopoly, where the person who's the banker keeps pulling extra money out, and you're like, you're cheating, and I'm like, no I'm not.
serge du preez
Yeah.
Guys, we voted last year.
carter banks
We ruled on this last turn, it's okay.
serge du preez
It's the new rules, guys.
libby emmons
And he also has the gag order in the DC case.
It was put on hold today for a little bit.
Oh, I see.
What?
Yeah.
It was, what?
carter banks
You can put a gag order on hold for a little bit.
libby emmons
Yeah.
So Judge Tanya Chutkin, who actually oversaw the cases of a number of January 6th defendants and sentenced them to longer than the Department of Justice was even asking for, said that the gag order in that case, that's the J6 case, would remain on hold while she considers Trump's suggestion that he should be allowed to speak freely about the case.
Yeah.
So she had issued the gag order on Monday, which prevented him from speaking publicly by targeting prosecutors or anyone on staff or witnesses.
And it's a very serious restriction.
It's the most serious restriction that they've had so far in any of the cases.
Trump's attorneys appealed it.
And so now they're now they're just like hanging on for a minute.
Trump's lawyers called it egregious and intolerable, saying, by restricting President Trump's free speech, the gag order eviscerates the rights of his audiences, including hundreds of millions of American citizens, who the court now forbids from listening to President Trump's thoughts on important issues.
tim pool
That's crazy.
libby emmons
That's actually a great point.
tim pool
So let me get started.
libby emmons
And that is what he says, right?
Like, they're not coming after me, they're coming after you.
I'm just in the way.
lauren witzke
And Trump's base loves those insults, too.
libby emmons
They're a lot of fun!
lauren witzke
They're funny, they're the best part.
I thought Trump's tweets were the best part of Trump and them trying to stop that, you know, it's unacceptable.
libby emmons
And I love how like, I mean, Biden keeps making everything worse and worse.
And on Twitter, people keep going, Hey, all wouldn't it be nice to just have some mean tweets?
lauren witzke
Hey, mean tweets.
libby emmons
And that's true.
It's true.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, their argument was but but the mean tweets.
And so you're like, no, no worse, but the mean tweets.
We're withdrawing from the act of war.
But the mean tweets!
And then it's just like, a lot of people were like, but we like the mean tweets.
lauren witzke
Exactly.
They're great.
And it's just because he was just an ordinary person saying things that we all were thinking.
And I thought, like, I think my favorite one was like, the Rosie O'Donnell one.
unidentified
And like, she got really mad.
lauren witzke
No, was it Megyn Kelly asked him about it?
Like, because I think he called her like, really insulting.
And she was like, oh, you called women this?
And he said, no, just Rosie.
And it was really funny.
It was it was one of the epic moments of Trump.
I think that's one of our favorite parts.
serge du preez
There's a whole Shane Gillis bit about how he just went out there and started, you know, attacking everyone.
It was like, whoa, you can do this?
Like, this is like, it could be your thing?
It's like, yeah, it can be.
lauren witzke
Yeah, and I'll give it to Ted Cruz.
He was a good sport.
I'm pretty sure, like, Trump told him, like, his, like, wife was ugly or something, and, like, then he turned around- Lying Ted.
Lying Ted.
Oh, yeah, he insulted him so bad, but you know what- They're gonna lie in, like, roar.
tim pool
He called him lying, Ted, and then after, like, Ted got behind Trump, all the Trump supporters started saying, lie in.
lauren witzke
Yeah, he was a good sport.
He didn't hold a grudge, he just stopped in line and endorsed him.
It was good.
I actually, Ted Cruz, I respect him for that.
tim pool
I don't know what the DeSantis campaign thinks they're doing.
I mean, yeah, but the crazy like, I keep hearing people, we have a lot of people come on the show.
And we've had some people who are not hyper partisan.
They're conservatives, but they're kind of just like, come on, guys, we got to win this.
And they're going, why are the DeSantis people attacking me?
And I'm like, what'd you say?
Like, I haven't said anything about him.
And I'm like, dude, the DeSantis people are trying to lose.
That's the only thing I can say.
lauren witzke
Yeah.
libby emmons
What's amazing is they keep giving ammunition to Joe Biden.
tim pool
Yeah.
Maybe that's the point.
I don't know.
libby emmons
Yikes.
lauren witzke
Yeah.
See, I liked DeSantis as a governor.
I thought he was a great governor.
He did a great job during, you know, COVID and everything, but it was just the standard.
It wasn't like he was doing, like, superior things that, like, set apart.
Like, that is what the standard should have been.
Governors should have kept their states open.
They should have not put masks on kids.
They shouldn't have closed the schools down, closed the churches.
Just because DeSantis didn't do that doesn't make him special.
It means he was upholding the standard.
And, you know, I respect him doing that, especially because a lot of Republicans sold out during that time.
However, you know, it's a character flaw.
Donald Trump drug him across the finish line in his election to put him where he was, and this is how you treat them.
You know, it was, I think that it was a character flaw on his behalf.
I think that he should remain governor.
The people of Florida need him, and I don't think that he needs to have higher aspirations, at least not yet.
So that's my opinion.
libby emmons
I thought he could have been a shoe-in for the next go-round, you know?
lauren witzke
Yep.
tim pool
He should have been, he should have been VP and then presidential candidate next time around.
unidentified
That was the path.
lauren witzke
If he had ran on, hey, this is my record, this is what I've done, this is what, um, you know, my conservative record, which is strong.
Hey, I'm just here because Donald Trump might get arrested.
tim pool
That's, that's, that's, that's, that's campaign ending.
carter banks
I missed this part of the news cycle.
What happened with that?
libby emmons
Oh, he's wearing lifts.
It's like that Seinfeld episode, remember, where they said to the guy who was like the body double for one of the kids on a TV show, Mickey.
It was Mickey.
And they're like, Mickey's wearing lifts!
unidentified
He's heightening!
carter banks
He's wearing lifts in his shoes?
libby emmons
He's heightening!
Yeah.
And on Seinfeld, he was heightening because he was growing.
tim pool
What is this?
This definitely looks like he's wearing lifts right here.
libby emmons
Are they just weird cowboys?
tim pool
No, because it makes his lower leg look really... yeah, right?
carter banks
Like Chris Angeling it.
lauren witzke
Weird.
carter banks
Very weird.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's it.
There it is.
carter banks
Oh, man.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's damning for me.
tim pool
Like, okay, so look.
So there's no foot here in the front of the boot, and it's just like, dude.
serge du preez
Yeah, have you ever worn cowboy boots?
It looks like he's just putting his foot halfway in and his heel is sitting right on the end of the boot right there.
You know what I mean?
But hold on.
tim pool
On the left, look how long his fibula is.
libby emmons
It's weird, man.
tim pool
On the left, look how long his fibula is.
serge du preez
It's weird, man. There's no way, dude.
tim pool
I don't know, you can argue that it's distorted or whatever, but I think when you can tell there's no foot in the upper
boot and the pressure on the front of the boot looks like the
top of his foot, it does.
This looks like an accurate drawing of what he's doing.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's what it looks like.
tim pool
Look how long his leg would be if it was like... Yeah, that's crazy.
His leg would be massive.
Dude, this guy just... I don't know.
I feel bad for him.
I feel bad for him because I thought he did a good job.
This looks like he's on his tippy-toes.
serge du preez
Imagine halfway putting on your boot and going on national TV.
Come on, bro.
tim pool
Yeah, that'd be... You can get away with doing like a two-inch heel lift inside your shoe, but whatever he's going for is just... It's like standing on his tippy-toes, man.
libby emmons
Also, like, why do you need it?
tim pool
Well, height matters, no question.
Yeah.
libby emmons
That much?
It matters that much?
tim pool
Yes, it does.
Yep, absolutely.
That's why... Didn't someone want a box to stand on when they're going to debate Trump or something like that?
libby emmons
It's all a numbers game.
lauren witzke
And so the individual doesn't matter.
libby emmons
You can come out and say, I know you're all reasonable, right?
tim pool
I wanted a box. He is short as he's very not against Trump though, but in the debate he wanted a box of sand on
lauren witzke
because he's a little thing.
tim pool
Yeah, if you're open about it, not trying to hide it. It's when you try to hide it. It's all a numbers game. And so
the individual doesn't matter. You can come out and say, I know you're all reasonable, right? But yeah, but it doesn't
matter because if 1% of people factor in height, you lose.
So that's why everybody everybody knows like the game played by politicians. And if you if you're a politician,
you're going to lose.
Have you guys ever seen that movie, The Adjustment Bureau?
serge du preez
Maybe.
It sounds familiar.
tim pool
It's a fun movie with Matt Damon where basically there's a bunch of, I guess you'd call them angels, who control people's destinies and are guiding people and manipulating.
And so Matt Damon is running for Senate and he loses.
And then they're like, we need to... Okay, he lost.
That's good, because we want him to run again and win later.
So they're like, now we're gonna get him back on track.
They influence him.
He goes out to give his concession speech, and then he just gets tired of it, and he's like...
Okay, and he's like, see this tie?
We actually spent $5,000 to figure out what tie I should wear.
And he's like, you know, we actually have a consultant telling us what the right amount of scuff on a shoe should be.
$15,000, like just basically breaking it all down.
But that's the game they play.
They probably went to panels and showed Ron DeSantis speaking without the lifts and with the lifts and found that there was a massive benefit to wearing lifted shoes, lifted boots.
He's allegedly wearing these things.
I believe it is fair to say he is, because it looks like he's standing on his tippy toes in this picture, and his leg looks too long in this picture.
lauren witzke
He looks like he's levitating in that one.
libby emmons
Oh, you're right, it does.
lauren witzke
It is funny.
libby emmons
It also doesn't help that you can't even see the back of his foot.
lauren witzke
I was looking at polls before I hopped on today and I think he went down four points just today.
libby emmons
I was wondering what happened.
lauren witzke
Oh, not again.
tim pool
Nikki Haley is beating him in one of the latest polls and in the prediction markets.
libby emmons
How great would it have been to see him and Trump just storm the country?
You'd be like, nice.
tim pool
I don't- you know what I wonder?
I wonder if they went to DeSantis and told him to run to destroy him.
I'm not kidding.
libby emmons
To destroy DeSantis?
tim pool
Yes.
DeSantis was massively popular, was pushing a lot of anti-woke policies, was- look what happened to Florida under DeSantis.
He was the shoe-in for VP and we had talked about this.
I'm hanging out in DC at National Harbor.
And I hear a guy going like, oh, I can't stand Trump, man, you know?
And then I was like, what about DeSantis?
Like, I could vote DeSantis.
I could vote DeSantis.
And I said, what if it was Trump-DeSantis?
And he's like, oh, yeah, I'd probably vote that.
I heard so much of that.
If DeSantis was the VP, what did we all say?
Oh, it's no question.
Because DeSantis is the everyman, the regular guy with military experience who tones down Trump and gives you that assurance, don't worry Trump, I'm gonna keep him in check.
unidentified
So they go to him and they whisper in his ear, now you should be president, come on, run.
tim pool
Now who's Trump's VP?
DeSantis implodes, tanked his own, I mean come on, who told him to wear those boots?
Whoever told him to wear those boots destroyed him!
lauren witzke
That's a really good point, because now he's disliked.
He used to be loved, now he's very disliked by the same people that were once his base.
Somebody was filling his head, telling him, you gotta run, you're gonna win this, we're gonna make you the superstar, they loved you during COVID, they're gonna love you now.
And then he ran, and then it just crumbled from there, like, and people just don't even like him.
tim pool
Imagine a debate.
lauren witzke
I think you're right.
tim pool
I think Trump should debate Ron, should be on the GOP debate stage.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
You know, because he's gonna be like, show me your boots, Ron!
Come on, let's get freedom, let's see it!
You know, he's wearing high heels!
lauren witzke
Silly!
unidentified
Would he be able to?
libby emmons
That would be amazing.
That would be the best clip ever.
Show him your boots, Ron.
unidentified
That's good.
tim pool
And what's Ron gonna do?
I love that.
I wonder, because I've been saying for a while, it feels like, okay, so I'll explain this.
I posted something somewhat innocuous about Florida related to Jazz Jennings.
All of a sudden, the entire DeSantis communications team is insulting and attacking me.
unidentified
Oh gosh.
tim pool
I have friends.
libby emmons
Because Jazz was in Florida.
tim pool
Because Jazz was in Florida and got surgery under DeSantis' administration.
I said, where's Ron DeSantis?
The appropriate response would be, nothing.
Say nothing.
If you want to engage, you could be like, here's the bill we're working on.
Instead, they decided to get all of their communications people to call me a moron, an idiot, other insults.
And I was like, what is this?
This is crazy!
And I'm like, I've been praising the guy for a year!
And then I said one thing, and they lose it.
I have friends who worked in his campaign.
We know that the DeSantis campaign has an explicit rule.
You do not go on TimCast IRL.
I've talked to some of these people.
They're just like, I'm like, you do realize a bunch of prominent DeSantis fans are asking me why you're insulting them.
I'm not, it's up to them to speak out.
But the guests on this show, just go back through the list of the people we've had on the show, and you can try and make your guess as to who you think it is, but it's about three people, have said, are you being attacked by Ron DeSantis' campaign?
And then I'm like, I laugh about it, I'm like, oh, they insult me all the time.
And then they'll ask me, why is this happening?
We've had people say, I've been getting attacked by his communications people for no reason.
Actually, take a look at what happened with Ashley St.
Clair.
Past week, this past week, we did, uh, she made a funny joke about Ron wearing high heels, and Christina Pusha immediately responds, like, okay, Christina Pusha was like, when you have no argument against Ron DeSantis, so you make up this insult or whatever, and it's like, Ashley posted a meme about boots.
She didn't make an argument about policy.
She wasn't actually striking at his campaign or his career or anything.
She was just joking about a meme.
And immediately his communications people decide, here's an opportunity to sink him a few more points.
Make us appear stodgy, ignorant, and anyone in PR knows, if someone is highlighting, say, Ron DeSantis wearing high
heels, the last thing you want to do is pour gasoline on the fire and announce it to your base.
It's happening.
You say, no, no, no, everyone shut up and let it blow over.
If you engage with it, you will make it a meme, you will make it public, and you're fueling the fire.
And look where we are now.
libby emmons
It's only because of that.
Especially with Ashley, because Ashley will now find out for sure I mean, she's very diligent.
She will find out.
She will not know. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, she's very diligent. She will find out.
unidentified
I can't wait. I'm me, too. So I wonder if.
tim pool
When we were all praising DeSantis and he was at the top of the prediction markets
beating Trump last year and we were all like, he's the guy.
Then Trump started coming back and picking up his speeches were getting better and we're
like, I think it might be Trump.
And everyone said, I think it's Trump DeSantis. I'm willing to bet that the never Trump or
Neocon said a Trump DeSantis ticket is unbeatable.
How can we stop this?
Let's throw money at DeSantis and convince him he must run and he'll win.
So they show all these polls, these prediction markets.
They whisper in his ears, you're the guy, man.
You're the heir.
It's not going to be Trump.
It's going to be you.
And he goes, you're right.
I should run.
Destroys his relationship with Trump, the Trump base.
And now you have fractured MAGA.
People in Florida who moved to Florida for DeSantis fervently love him.
So we had this event in Miami.
We just about sold out.
We got to maybe like, I think, I think we were short like 100 seats available out of 850 or something.
And one of the responses we got was, for a Miami event, a lot of the people here who would agree with these politics are huge DeSantis fans, and so they're like, we don't want to come and watch this because you guys rag on DeSantis or whatever.
They're fervent.
Look, if you're willing to move from your state to Florida because of Ron DeSantis, you don't want to be told you backed the wrong horse.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
So a lot of people are just like, no!
But imagine what it would have been.
Trump-DeSantis was unbeatable.
And now what do we have?
DeSantis wearing high heels?
This is worse than the Yee-Haw.
libby emmons
Remember?
unidentified
Who was that guy?
lauren witzke
I don't see a single... Oh, you mean Howard Dean?
libby emmons
I had a friend working on that campaign at the time and I remember after that it was like a yawp or something like that.
And I called my friend and I was like, what the hell?
And he was like, no, it's we're done.
tim pool
Wasn't he leading?
libby emmons
Yeah, he was doing great.
lauren witzke
And then Dave Chappelle did a thing.
carter banks
It's crazy, I heard about this and I didn't even know the guy's name and I just googled like, guy destroys his career with a bad sound and he popped up and it was really bad.
libby emmons
It was like when Michael Dukakis got in the tank and nobody remembers that but me, but yeah, that was extreme as well.
tim pool
Yo, this picture's crazy.
Come on.
serge du preez
I know.
That's the best one for me.
carter banks
You can see the shadow below his foot.
tim pool
Like, you can see the heel on the ground, but he looks like he's on his tippy-toes.
That's crazy.
serge du preez
Dude, come on, bro.
tim pool
Something doesn't make sense.
carter banks
I mean, it's kind of like they photoshopped him really well into this picture, almost.
tim pool
It looks fake, but it's a tweet.
I don't know.
serge du preez
Wow, that's a good one.
tim pool
Someone had to have made a fake image.
Like, that's the thing, like, could this have been photoshopped?
I mean, I saw the video.
I watched a video of it.
libby emmons
We just really need to find the boot maker.
I mean, this is custom.
tim pool
It really does look... When you look at the boot, it looks like this is hard plastic, and this is leather, and you can see the shape of his foot pressing up against it.
And look at his left foot.
unidentified
Dude, it is... Yeah, those are like special made Frankenstein boots.
libby emmons
Does he have one leg shorter than the other?
tim pool
Well both his legs are absurdly long if these really are his feet I Don't know man.
unidentified
I'm gonna see if they make boots for this occasion.
lauren witzke
I just know I'm not voting for him because he's got weird shaped legs and looks like
tim pool
a...
He's a good dude with a campaign doing everything to destroy him.
That's crazy to me.
lauren witzke
Well, you know, I don't see a single DeSantis flag in Florida.
This is like DeSantis' home state.
In those trailer parks, it's nothing but Trump.
Trump's got the working class down, locked.
And DeSantis, I mean, you're right.
I think some never-Trumpers like the Bush Republicans probably got in his ear, threw a bunch of money behind him, said, you're going to win and just go.
And then really, in reality... Divide and conquer.
Yep.
tim pool
I mean, divide and conquer makes the most sense.
They know if Trump and DeSantis team up, unbeatable, we need to make sure they can't.
unidentified
That's it.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
I think I found them.
carter banks
I'm looking for them too.
I'm like, boots to make me taller.
tim pool
What do you search for?
libby emmons
Well, I looked at... I'm at donsfootwear.com.
Elevator height increase boots.
And I see a pair of cowboy type boots.
Maybe they're not maybe exactly the same, but...
There's the Augusta 2.
And there's the Cantu.
There's a lot of boots that look like they would serve the purpose.
tim pool
Yeah, but his have like an inner lift to disguise.
unidentified
Some of these do too.
carter banks
I don't want you to know.
How do I find that?
tim pool
Elevator boots for men.
carter banks
Elevator boots?
libby emmons
but look at elevator elevator elevator boots for men these elevator boots
unidentified
elevator boots a lot of them yeah No, I'm looking at my keys.
carter banks
I'd love to see that.
tim pool
And there's something inside it?
libby emmons
There's something inside.
serge du preez
That's what I'm saying.
It looks like if you ever put a cowboy boot on, you put your foot halfway in, you put your heel against the back of the boot, you have that whole bunch of space.
It looks like he's just standing in regular boots and he has like some socks underneath his feet or something like that.
tim pool
When I search for elevator cowboy boot hidden lift, a picture of Rhonda Santas pops up.
carter banks
I'm at donsfootwear.com.
libby emmons
That's where I am.
Donsfootwear.com, yeah.
serge du preez
Yeah, I don't know.
libby emmons
No, anyway, I'm sure they exist in fact.
serge du preez
Yeah, I'm sure it's likely.
lauren witzke
So you said when you were in Miami people were saying they were like hardcore DeSantis fans?
tim pool
So we almost sold out the whole venue.
We didn't quite sell at the 850, but in Austin, we sold out in a day.
And so two things people said was, Miami's too hard to get to because it's all the way down there.
And it's like, oh, okay, fair point.
So even if you're in South Carolina, you're like, that's brutal.
So we're looking at Pittsburgh and Nashville next, which is a more centralized location for people who live in the area, they can come down.
What is it?
different directions. But one component was we thought Miami would do really
well because it is it has transformed so much deeper ed but we did hear that
there was like a lot of people are just very heavy on DeSantis and don't want to
admit they backed the wrong horse or whatever so they're just like you know
oh Tim's insulting DeSantis. What is it Don's Don's footwear?
unidentified
Yeah Don's footwear.com
serge du preez
The bespoke shoemaker.
tim pool
Is that what it is?
And then we search for elevator shoes.
libby emmons
Elevator height increased boots.
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh wait, elevators and then one of the- You can get five inches.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Wait, wait, elevator.
Oh, look at that.
libby emmons
Yeah.
serge du preez
That six inch, five inch.
libby emmons
Plus they also do bespoke boarders.
serge du preez
As tall as we can.
libby emmons
They also do bespoke boarders.
tim pool
All elevator shoes.
serge du preez
Three feet extra height, dude.
Wild.
They look like stilts.
libby emmons
Do you see how they- Oh, look!
And they also do the smoke!
serge du preez
Yeah, there you go.
libby emmons
And if you scroll down, there's, like, cowboy boots.
There's more stuff.
tim pool
Oh, whoa, that's crazy!
But none of these are, like, obviously trying to hide- Wouldn't it be so funny if I just bought some of these, and, like, you know, just for no reason?
libby emmons
There are!
Look at the vetero.
unidentified
Decided to run for president, or- I'll be 6'2'' tomorrow, but I've always been 6'2", what do you mean?
carter banks
I mean, I have some boots that are like this, but not like... You know what they sort of mean?
serge du preez
The bottom height is associated with advantages in the professional and personal lives of men.
Most CEOs are above average height.
That's like, this is like, I can probably see... Women are dreaded to taller men.
I can see you on this reading that.
libby emmons
There's all those women's shoes that are like wedges on the inside only, like those weird high heel sneakers that are like high heel on the inside.
serge du preez
That's what I think it is.
libby emmons
Yeah, those always freak me out because it's like, you're stuck with the uncomfortableness of high heels and you don't even get the visible credit of wearing them.
serge du preez
Select height increase.
Look at that.
Select increase height.
unidentified
Whoa.
serge du preez
Nice.
tim pool
Four inches.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
And then you just get the boots.
tim pool
Dude, I think we should order a pair of these for everyone in the company.
We'll do a cast castle bit where everyone's really tall, but everyone's like walking like they're on stilts.
libby emmons
That's great.
tim pool
This company would make like 20 grand overnight.
unidentified
Look at this.
tim pool
Look at this.
libby emmons
There's so many.
tim pool
You can see how they do it.
They've got, like, you can see the shape on the outside.
serge du preez
Yeah, on the inside there's that little wedge.
tim pool
Yo, that's crazy.
Wow, dude.
There are these ads on Instagram where they sell these inserts.
You can buy them for like 20 bucks, and you stick them into your shoe, and then it gives you a two-inch lift on your heel, and your shoes are on the ground.
You're on high heels, but you're heightening it.
libby emmons
You're heightening.
tim pool
And then there's like, the commercials are funny, because there's a guy, same height as the girl, and then they're like, yo, the guy's got a microphone, he's like, what do you think about this guy?
And she's like, he's all right, I guess.
And he's like, here, check this out.
And then he puts the inserts in the guy's shoes, and he's like, now he's tall.
And she's like, oh yeah, I like it.
And he's like, you don't care that he's wearing, that you know he's not really tall?
And she's like, no, I don't care, it's great, I like it.
And I'm like, What happens when they get to the bedroom?
These guys are gonna buy it.
They don't care, I guess.
libby emmons
Well, I mean, you don't really need to be tall in the bedroom, necessarily.
tim pool
Increase height 3.1 inches.
unidentified
That's crazy, dude.
libby emmons
That actually happened.
That was another Seinfeld episode, actually.
unidentified
Oh, really?
libby emmons
He was wearing hiking boots.
He was wearing, like, what do you call them?
The Timberlands.
He was wearing Timberlands.
George was wearing Timberlands.
tim pool
Oh, it made him taller?
libby emmons
And he would never take them off.
And he was, like, wearing Timberlands in bed.
He was wearing Timberlands to a wedding.
Yeah.
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Clint Torres says, howdy, people.
Never forget, if you're first, it's because I allowed it.
Keep up the good work, Tim and crew.
Love what you're doing.
And Clint came in second.
serge du preez
Good second place.
tim pool
I love this one.
Quispy Joe says, I am become first.
Smash the like button.
No, you were third.
Then we have David Magdaleno says, Take that, Clint!
What, you were fourth?
One evil chef says, Chuck Norris for speaker.
I just watched all the Expendables movies.
They're so awesome.
I love them.
Expendables 4 is not as good because Sylvester Stallone's too old.
He really needed him.
The first three are just so hokey and hilarious.
When Arnold is like, you'll be terminated, you know, when I'm back.
And then Chuck Norris walks out in like, I think, part two.
And then they make a joke.
Like, I heard you got bit by a rattlesnake or cobra.
And he's like, after five painful, agonizing day, the cobra died.
And then they all laugh.
Yeah, I thought it was great.
They tried doing part four, but Sebastian Sloan's like 77, so it's... Yeah.
You know, he's still... he's... he's looking old, man.
carter banks
He's become a meme, a little bit.
serge du preez
Yeah, definitely.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Dimma Doomguy says, when am I getting the Timcast branded snowboard?
We're not making snowboards.
libby emmons
What?
tim pool
Skateboards we can do.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's a lot of money.
tim pool
Peter Balk says, if what Epstein says about Google and Android is true, Dr. Epstein, do you think they had foreknowledge of the Hamas attack and did not say anything?
If so, was it benign neglect or intentional to push the agenda?
I do not think that the probability is on the side of Israel having foreknowledge.
I believe that they were warned about something and what Hamas has stated is that they only whispered among two or three people about what they were really going to be doing.
Going to Israel and being like, there may be an attack, doesn't help.
And you want to play that game?
Have someone be like, on this date, someone will break into your house.
Good luck.
Your, your, it's, it's, defense is very, very difficult.
But, um, the idea, yeah, I think, I think Israel was, was, uh, did not, did not know.
Uh, and I don't think they were using, um, uh, the argument that could be made for this is that the tech they did use should have been predictive of something.
But if they're not using these things and they've isolated themselves from it, then the machine can't track what they're doing.
So I think that was kind of the point they made, how they kept it a secret.
And we talk about that war game, that famous story, you guys probably know the name of it, I don't, where it was like an older guy and younger guys and the older guy won and it was because they wrote down their instructions on a note, put it in a guy's pocket and wrote it on a motorcycle, whereas the other guys were trying to spy over like communications and radio waves and that's not what they were doing.
It's crazy.
libby emmons
That's interesting.
tim pool
David Magdaleno says Clint is indeed a worthy adversary.
Till next time!
Theory here, big government maintains a spending amount to collapse the dollar by 2030.
I will not eat the bugs.
Neither will I. I honestly have no problem with eating bugs.
It's just taking away people's options and choices and forcing them to do it.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
I actually think, like, y'all should be prepared to eat bugs not because of, you know, fake meat or living in the pod.
It's because if you truly want to survive in a conflict or in chaos, you will do what you must.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
It'd be like someone like I do not eat the bugs to me means you will not take away my choice for some arbitrary reason of control.
serge du preez
I won't be forced to.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
But I mean, look, no.
If the system collapses because they did it, it's not what I'm saying.
I'm like, in that case, eat the bug, survive.
You must survive.
You must.
serge du preez
I mean, forced by somebody else.
tim pool
What I'm saying is, they're not going to stand in front of a cow and say cows are illegal now.
You have to eat a bug.
I'd be like, get out of here.
I'm having cow.
I'm having beef.
You know, I just ordered a whole bunch of biltong.
That stuff's so good.
That South African jerky.
carter banks
Oh yeah, good.
tim pool
But that's my point.
It would be like, imagine if, under the idea of like, I want to eat the bugs, I'm not saying, like, the argument is, in the context of doing what you must to survive, eat the bugs.
I recommend it.
Don't die.
We need you to live.
We need our ideas to survive.
Imagine if someone was like, I will not warm myself at the campfire.
I demand, you know, oil heat in central, you know, central condition.
carter banks
I won't live in this bulletproof pod.
unidentified
Right.
lauren witzke
It's more the demoralizing thing.
They want to humiliate you by eating the cricket biscuits and then taking away the real meat.
unidentified
Cricket biscuits.
lauren witzke
They don't taste good.
You've had one?
tim pool
We had a, we bought cricket flour and we made 50-50 cricket bread.
And the problem with cricket is that it's astringent.
I'd liken the flavor to earwax.
unidentified
Ew.
tim pool
Yeah.
lauren witzke
You ate it willingly.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, you had to try it.
tim pool
Of course, I'm all about it.
I don't advocate for fake meat or bugs forced on people, but I certainly think if you're someone who's like, I'm not eating a bug, good luck when you're in a car accident in the middle of the woods or you get lost and you're like, oh no, what do I eat?
It's like, well, you eat bugs.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, pick up a log and find a bug and chow down!
Because you need to survive!
libby emmons
Like the Ferengi.
lauren witzke
Yeah, but like- Yeah, but even at that point, then you don't really have a choice.
Like, you can eat it or survive.
serge du preez
Your choice is gone.
lauren witzke
It's compelling.
serge du preez
Yeah, compelled bug-eating that I'm not done with.
unidentified
Compelled bug-eating.
carter banks
Right, right.
serge du preez
Compelling.
unidentified
If the government says we're making- Not like Klaus Schwab, you eat Z-Bugs, and- Yes.
libby emmons
In Canada, they have- Like, we eat shake and you eat bugs.
carter banks
Yeah.
lauren witzke
You're still desperate either way.
libby emmons
Yeah, the cricket- Like, bug puffs.
tim pool
Cricket puffs.
libby emmons
Cricket puffs.
In Canada, yeah.
Well, in Canada, they have a whole industry that the government is helping boost up and they're making cricket farms and all of this stuff so that you will eat the bugs.
And there's like products already on shelves with bug puffs.
They're like cheese puffs, but bugs.
tim pool
Jedediah Richardson says, Ian is doing what?
Props to him.
I'm proud of his transformation.
Yeah, he sent me a message.
Let me read what he said.
unidentified
Oh, let's see.
tim pool
He says he's doing tactical training with Luke.
Yeah, full cardio, extreme airsoft.
Ian's gonna come back two weeks.
It's gonna be two weeks.
He's just gonna be like massive.
lauren witzke
Yeah.
Ripped, wearing a cross necklace, you know, just... Oh, yeah.
tim pool
People don't understand.
Exercise is addicting.
That's what I don't get.
Like, I don't understand the people who are like, I don't want to exercise.
That's so weird to me.
libby emmons
Oh, I hate exercising and I do it every single day.
tim pool
How do you hate it?
I don't get it.
Maybe it's because I'm a dude.
libby emmons
I'm just bored.
I find it boring.
tim pool
Oh, that's why I skate.
Because skating is so fun.
libby emmons
Yeah, I need like a better exercise.
tim pool
You know what?
lauren witzke
You gotta play pickleball.
That's the new game of the dissident, right?
You have to play pickleball.
It is.
Like, if you are in the right, you have to learn how to play pickleball.
tim pool
It's gonna be mandatory.
Robbie just stood up in his living room and started screaming and pointing at the screen.
libby emmons
See, I like a lot of sports that I don't play anymore.
Like, I loved skiing and swimming and all of these kinds of... Great exercise.
unidentified
Okay.
libby emmons
Biking.
tim pool
Now, hold on there a minute.
Ginger McIsaac says, how, pray tell, do you know what earwax tastes like?
Are you a human being?
Okay?
When you were a little kid, you never, like, itched your ear, then later, like, somehow was eating something and tasted earwax?
Bro, I'm not playing stupid games, come on.
Humans have nasty stuff all over their body, and, like, earwax and weird stuff can- can get on your hands or whatever when you're a kid.
I once chopped a bunch of chili peppers, and then four hours later itched my eye!
Okay?
And it's like, it stays.
unidentified
Classic.
tim pool
So, yeah.
That's how, uh, uh, or I can just give you the- the millennial answer of, I was at a Harry Potter convention.
unidentified
I was just going to mention the Bertie Botts beans.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
What do we have?
Justin Slaw says Israel bombed the third oldest church in the world in Gaza.
Well, it's a shame I just don't believe anything that comes out of Gaza.
libby emmons
I was reading about that and it was, um, the IDF was looking into it and they had said that they had bombed something nearby and there was collateral damage.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren witzke
Justin Amash, I think, announced that one of his relatives had died.
He's a congressman who died in the Orthodox Church.
Was that the same one, I think?
unidentified
I don't know.
lauren witzke
Or was it a more recent one?
libby emmons
It was an Orthodox Church and it was today.
Yeah.
And it was, uh, the IDF was checking it out.
You know, this is a, this is a, this is a war situation.
tim pool
I don't believe it.
libby emmons
I don't know what happened.
tim pool
I just don't believe anything.
libby emmons
We didn't cover it because we couldn't get any real information.
tim pool
As soon as the hospital stuff happens, I'm just like, it's all lies.
Bye-bye, have a nice day.
And they're like, you just blindly believe Israel?
Well, Hamas lied about a hospital being blown up, so yes.
Rashid Tlaib lied about a hospital being blown up, so yes.
libby emmons
Committed massive terrorism.
tim pool
Exactly.
libby emmons
And now they're playing for sympathy, and I'm not really having it.
tim pool
I'm so over it.
So over it.
All right.
Bender the Offenders has watched the segment with the woman complaining her college degree in marketing was essentially pointless.
I never bothered going to college.
I went to a blue collar job instead and I have little to no debt.
Bunch of useless degrees from these colleges.
College is a scam.
I feel bad.
So bad for these kids.
It's a video.
Where this woman is like, I have a marketing degree.
I can't get a job anywhere.
I make more money.
She's like, all these jobs, it's a pay cut.
If I want to work in marketing, I make more money serving sushi rolls.
It's like, well, yeah, that's a tangible job with real revenue coming and going.
And like, we can track the profits on this.
It's just like, she said she was almost, but here's the funny thing.
She said she's almost 25 and she wants a job that pays 150 to 200.
And I'm just like, man, these kids.
150 to 200 at 25?
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
That'd be wild, honestly.
libby emmons
My first job, I will say, I went to school, I studied theater and philosophy, you know, because I'm obviously very intelligent.
But my first job out of college was, I was making literally 16.5.
A year.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That was a long time ago, right?
libby emmons
It was, yes.
I mean, it was back in the 1920s, so it was a very long time ago.
lauren witzke
But yes, see, when it comes to college, it's a real shame that they're pumping out, like, communist and Marxist ideology, because during COVID, we learned that we need doctors on our side.
We need lawyers on our side.
We need people who are going to go get educated, get degrees, and actually start making change.
Because we aren't going to really, even though I love trade schools and I think that everything has a place, we have a place too.
Especially in the professional arena.
What are you going to college for?
tim pool
Name a job.
lauren witzke
What do you need a college for?
Like being a lawyer.
You have to have, well you have to be able to pass a bar.
tim pool
There's one.
Well actually you don't have to.
libby emmons
You don't actually need to.
You can just read the law.
Kim Kardashian was doing that.
tim pool
Yeah you can actually pass the bar without going to college.
lauren witzke
They probably won't let you into the bar.
Like you can pass the bar but they won't let you into like the actual bar.
tim pool
Yeah you can.
lauren witzke
If you didn't pass college.
tim pool
Pretty sure you don't need to go to college to be a lawyer.
You just need to pass the bar.
serge du preez
Yes, that's true.
unidentified
Probably be a doctor.
tim pool
Medical school is very specific.
serge du preez
Engineering?
unidentified
No.
serge du preez
I'm saying you don't have to, but I don't think an aerospace engineering company will hire you without a degree.
tim pool
Not true.
serge du preez
Well, I don't know.
tim pool
I'm not claiming anyway.
Because I know people who did not have degrees in engineering who worked for aerospace engineering companies.
serge du preez
Well, yeah.
tim pool
Out in the Mojave Desert.
carter banks
I know someone who tried, yeah.
tim pool
Mojave Spaceport.
That was really cool.
carter banks
Yeah.
unidentified
That sounds cool.
tim pool
I think I have a video on my Instagram of it, too.
So I know people who worked there and did not have degrees and were machining parts and working on these things.
All that was necessary was the capability and the understanding that a degree was not required.
libby emmons
Do you want to know when I was in college?
When I was in graduate school at Columbia University, one of my professors did not have a college degree.
lauren witzke
Oh, really?
libby emmons
Yep.
tim pool
Well, of course.
libby emmons
He didn't have a college degree.
tim pool
I was giving guest lectures to PhD courses with no high school diploma.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
After Occupy Wall Street, with the drone technology that we had developed, look, me and my friends hacked a bunch of drones to live stream from them.
libby emmons
Nice.
tim pool
And we were doing mobile broadcasting.
Numerous universities had me come in to give guest lectures to PhD journalism students.
And I'm like, I didn't go to high school.
And I was like, how is it that I have a career, that I'm now developing new technology in the space, in the field, covering historical events, and you guys, who are four years older than me, have done nothing.
Nothing!
And you have a hundred K in debt.
I'm just like, okay, do you?
I guess.
libby emmons
I would say medical school.
That's the main one.
unidentified
I want my surgeon going to a college.
libby emmons
I don't even think accountants don't even need to go to college.
You just need to actually educate yourself and figure it out.
tim pool
You need a license to be a CPA.
libby emmons
But you can get a license.
You can learn accounting.
You can apprentice accounting.
tim pool
So what we did with the drones, for those that are asking, was we took the AR Parrot, we downloaded the software development kit, the SDK, and we then opened it up and started basically moving through the code to see the paths of what it was doing.
And then we had we redirected its stream to a this is all rudimentary.
This is like the early days of live streaming.
So it was really ridiculous how we were pulling this off.
But we use the computer with a I think we had a PlayStation controller or an Xbox controller to input the controls which we basically had to program.
Like, we had to look at how the controls were programmed for the phone, because it was touchscreen, left, right, up, down, and then just associate that with the controller.
Not difficult at all.
All of this took only a few minutes.
And then, the difficult thing was just, it's all duct-taped together, so it, like, doesn't work properly until we finally work out the bugs.
I did not do the coding.
I basically just, um...
I did a lot of the basic stuff, and then I had a friend of mine who did the more coding-heavy stuff.
But I did all the livestream stuff.
So anything related to how we broadcast, which again, not particularly difficult.
The hard part was actually looking at the code and the software development kit.
But then I got it to actually... It was a team effort.
We all worked on it.
We actually had the drone flying around live broadcasting.
It was super cool.
And yeah, for those that are asking.
And then because of that, someone wrote that I built a blimp, which I never did, and it made it to Wikipedia that I invented a Zeppelin, and then no matter how many times I said I did not invent a Zeppelin, they called it the drone stream, and then the Zeppelin had some name, and I'm like, we didn't do this, and then it took like seven years to get it removed from Wikipedia, but then I decided a couple years ago, I'm gonna make it retroactively true, so then we did, and then they refused to reinstate the article claiming I did because it was false, even though it's true now.
serge du preez
Wow.
tim pool
That's fun.
Anyway.
Yeah, so my point about college is I have too many friends who have moved towards communism because of their debt.
Demanding Joe Biden get elected because they're in debt and they want the debt relieved.
Too many people who can't get jobs because the jobs can't pay enough to cover their debt and the debt did nothing for them.
serge du preez
It's almost like that was planned.
There was no whole point.
It's to put them in debt so they have to say, oh, everything's unfair.
I can't get a job.
I can't work.
They have to become quote unquote Marxist in order to say, like, I deserve money, guys.
lauren witzke
Right, but also, you know, when we signed away, like, we were like 18 years old signing away huge debts, like, that we didn't know that it was a racket, really.
And then they also, like, at the same time are bringing in all these migrants who we're forcing Americans and American students to compete against as cheap foreign labor, pushing our wages down.
Like, the system is stacked against us, and it really is.
And, you know, I think that I'm gonna get probably hit for this, but I do agree in some form of student loan relief or forgiveness program in a way where people can pay back their debt fairly.
tim pool
I do.
lauren witzke
I think that there is a way because a lot of people didn't sign.
They didn't know.
tim pool
I think all interests should be abolished.
libby emmons
The student loan debt interest is insane.
Here's how it should work.
tim pool
We should go and look at all the loans and subtract all interest from the point of the loan from the remainder of it.
And then if it exceeds what you've already paid, you get a tax credit towards that remaining balance.
So let's say, let's say you took out a loan for 50 grand and because of the interest, you've paid back 80 and still owe 70.
So we say all interest is gone, which means you're in excess of $30,000 of your loan.
We'll apply that to your future taxes.
And that way, you must pay back what you were given and what you spent, but the interest is predatory.
And that's the compromise.
That way, nobody gets a freebie.
You still gotta pay back what you borrowed, but we do recognize this was bunk and BS.
lauren witzke
And seize college endowments so that it depends on, like, the success of the student to make sure they get paid back.
Because right now it doesn't matter.
They can send a student off and they fail at life and it doesn't matter to them.
tim pool
They're losing all this now, though, because of their support for Hamas.
So all these billionaires and millionaires are like, we are no longer going to be contributing.
Have a nice day.
libby emmons
I think the universities should pay off the student loan debt with their endowments.
tim pool
I just think the interest.
lauren witzke
I like that.
tim pool
Just the interest.
I think the individual must pay what they got.
We can argue, yes, we'll forgive student loan debts with the endowments.
That still means a bunch of leftist communists got 50 grand for free.
libby emmons
Yeah, there's no need for that either.
tim pool
Well, so the idea is, if you got $50,000 and then bought things with it, you got a degree, that degree's valuable, right?
Okay, you bought food, you paid rent, you must pay back the value that you were gifted.
But the interest is predatory, so yeah, seize the endowments, cover the cost of all the interest from the endowments, and then the individual must pay back their principal.
libby emmons
I took out student loans just so that I didn't have to work full-time while I was in grad school.
tim pool
You just pay them back?
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, there you go.
tim pool
You would get a credit for all that torture taxes.
That'd be nice.
libby emmons
The interest.
tim pool
That'd be nice.
I know people who were like, I took out $70,000 in loans
and I owe $100,000 right now after paying 80.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
I'm like, what?
Right, it's messed up.
lauren witzke
It's really messed up.
It's crazy, dude.
And you know, and also the whole corporate structure is rigged against conservatives.
Like it is so hard for a white male, like a straight white male to move up on the ladder
because everything is like competing against him, trying to push him down.
I think that the system is rigged against a lot of...
I... I...
Regular ordinary good folks who went to college and they aren't able to because they're competing against H1B visa workers who come in who will work twice as long for half as much.
We can't compete.
So I think that there's a win-win strategy here where you hire American first, you don't make them compete with cheap foreign labor.
You pay them a fair wage, and yeah, then we could pay our debts back without interest.
I liked that very much.
You know, and that is possible.
But I think there is a way forward that is fair for everybody to pay their student loan debt, or be able to afford it, and have jobs and working lives.
Like, you know, conservatives, we all work for a living.
We all have jobs for a living.
These left-wing people, like, a lot of them sit at home and don't do work.
Um, there are, you know, of course, I'm not speaking for the majority of them, but the college students who are complaining because they can't afford their student loans, like, they didn't really try, like, and they don't really have jobs, so.
tim pool
I want to read, uh, two more here.
CVA Buck says, or, I'm sorry, Jeff Bader says, electrical engineering, try being one without a degree.
And then, CVA Buck, just after him, says, I'm a senior engineer at a nuclear power plant with no degree.
Ten years Navy nuke experience plus industry certifications, just now working on degree.
One of the funniest things that I think was ever said to me was, after Occupy Wall Street, I get featured in a bunch of magazines, I get featured in Times Person of the Year, one of six features.
I was featured in Times, nominated for Times 100 Most Influential People.
Not that we care about the mainstream media, it's just like the industry is giving me these accolades.
It's featured in GQ, six page spread, front page featured story, featured in Maxim Spin, getting all this stuff like, wow, look at the journalism he's doing, the new technology and everything.
And then I had family members being like, are you gonna go to college now?
And I was like, I'm in the magazine for the futuristic work and the transformative nature of what I'm doing.
Why are you asking me to go to college?
It's just, this mentality is insane to me.
libby emmons
I remember I had a, I had a very different, I had like a, like a perspective shift.
This was ages ago at this point, but my mom, I went to school for art.
I was like doing theater arts and whatever other stupid stuff I was doing.
And my mom always hated it and she was always very critical of like the work I was doing.
She was like, Oh, you know, you're working really hard and you're not making any money.
I was a director at a non-profit, which is a job that requires a degree.
And then I stopped doing that and I started doing this, like journalism and editing and all of this kind of stuff.
And she was like, honey, why are you doing that?
Why, that's not such a great thing for you to do.
And I was like, oh, I will never please the people who want me to do something different.
So I'm going to not worry about it ever again.
tim pool
I was a director at a nonprofit, which is a job that requires a degree.
You'll never find one that doesn't, and I don't have a degree.
libby emmons
There's no reason for a degree to be a director of a not-for-profit.
tim pool
They have their arguments, but all of these companies are like, degree required in these fields, and I'm like, I don't have one.
unidentified
And it's just like, if... Yeah, well, they require it, but it really doesn't require the degree in order to do the job.
lauren witzke
Like, I'd rather have somebody with experience, ten years experience, rather than a four-year degree that they just came out, you know?
tim pool
I think this is the difference between, like, boomers, Gen X, and millennials.
Gen X and millennials are more likely to say, I don't care about a degree, can you do the job?
Boomers are more likely to say, get a degree.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
We'll go a little bit over, but I just want to wrap this one up.
My perspective on this is that boomers didn't need degrees because after the greatest generation, after the World War II, we had this tremendous economy, we had this massive manufacturing base, and so the economy was really, really great.
lauren witzke
Right.
tim pool
So if you were a high school graduate, you could have a family.
If you went to college, you'd make six figures back then, a lot of money.
What happens then is a bunch of young boomers see their college grad friends making six figures, and they're like, damn.
I should've went to college.
College is what makes you money.
When in reality, if you don't need to go to college, if everyone around you can survive a high school diploma, and you say, no I'm going to college, it was likely because you were pursuing a passion.
You were chasing after something you really wanted to learn about, computers or whatever.
Your passion is why you made six figures, not the college degree.
But the people who didn't go thought it was the degree itself, told all their kids to get it.
Millennials then started going to get degrees.
Gen Xers were just like, I don't care if you have a degree, dude, can you do the job?
And so that's where we are now.
But we'll wrap it up there, because we're going a little late.
libby emmons
Gen Xers are still like that, I will say.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
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Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
And Lauren, you want to shout anything out?
lauren witzke
Thank you so much for the opportunity to come on, Tim Kast.
I really appreciate it.
It was truly an honor.
You can check more of our content over on the Stu Peters Network at StuPeters.com or you can follow me on Twitter at LaurenWitskiDE.
tim pool
Right on.
lauren witzke
Thank you.
carter banks
Always fun hanging out on Fridays.
I'm very excited to do some music stuff coming soon, and we'll likely post those clips on Timcast Music.
You can follow that at youtube.com slash Timcast Songs.
If you want to follow me, just add Carter Banks anywhere.
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Libby?
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
You can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons, and you can check out all the work that we're doing at thepostmillennial.com and humanevents.com.
Thanks.
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And, uh, Iamsurge.com.
This is fun.
Uh, anyone who's a box fan, the game is on the 21st.
Let's, uh, let's win this one, guys.
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All right, everybody.
We will see you back on Monday, but we got clips coming up all throughout the weekend.
So thanks for hanging out.
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