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June 14, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Daniel Penny INDICTED, Subway Hero Charged With Manslaughter In NYC w/BillBoard Chris
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tim pool
A grand jury has indicted.
Daniel Penney, the subway hero on second degree manslaughter charges.
Now, an indictment is, you know, they say you can indict a ham sandwich.
It just means there's enough evidence to go to trial.
It doesn't mean he's guilty or anything like that, but it is a disgrace.
Crime is getting worse in these cities and the policies enacted by the people who have been historically running these cities for a long time is only making them worse.
And we've got the big story coming out of San Francisco is the collapse of their downtown district.
Several hotels have been surrendered to their lenders and now the Westfield Mall has been surrendered to its lender.
So we'll talk about how all of that lumps together.
Of course, I've been talking about it all day.
Civil War.
And I'll just say it here as, you know, we'll get into it later on in the show, perhaps.
We might not, but, you know, because we've talked about it quite a bit.
Hillary Clinton mocking Donald Trump as he's being indicted the first time a president has been federally indicted in the history of the United States.
Joe Biden is criminally charging his main political rival, the GOP frontrunner, and it's unprecedented as an understatement.
I often say, if you went back in time and told someone, hey, this thing would be happening at this point, you know, they'd say, oh, you're crazy.
If you went back ten years and said, you know, in seven years there would be street clashes all throughout the United States, there would be massive rioting, a guy with a communist tattoo on his neck would shoot and kill a conservative in the middle of the street in Portland, they'd say, you're nuts, it's never gonna happen.
If you told them that January 6th would happen, they'd say, you're nuts.
If you went back three years ago, four years ago, and said, the president will arrest his chief political rival, they'd say, oh, is it gonna be Trump?
But people wouldn't believe it's gonna happen.
They'd say, ah, it's not gonna get that bad, that's crazy.
And now we are at that point, so.
We may end up getting into that, but I do want to talk a lot about what's going on with these bills targeting children, because we do have a very base story of kids in a school protesting against their school for trying to force them to engage in Pride Month, at a time when we're seeing bills passed in California, being advanced in California I should say, that would take your children away from you if you don't affirm their gender identity.
So we'll talk about all that stuff.
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Joining us tonight to talk about all of this and more is Billboard Chris.
chris elston
Thank you so much for having me, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
chris elston
So, I'm a dad of two girls from Vancouver, Canada and for almost three years I've been traveling around North America and now the world having conversations on the street about what I consider to be the greatest child abuse scandal in modern medicine history, which is the transition of our kids.
My expression is there are two sexes, zero genders and infinite personalities.
Our children are beautiful just as they are.
And no drugs or scalpels, no drugs or scalpels are needed to help them be their true selves.
We should leave them alone, let them grow up.
And so I have conversations about this.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks for joining us.
It should be fun.
We got Seamus hanging out.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and thank you for coming on the show.
Excited to talk to you.
One thing, I just want to mention this idea of a true self, right?
It almost always means a false self when the left says it.
They're trying to change the child into something else.
But I'm Seamus Coghlan.
I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
I make cartoons there.
We're going to be releasing one tomorrow.
I think y'all are going to enjoy it.
It's about Donald Trump being put on trial.
So if you guys want to go over there, check that out, support the channel.
Go to Freedom Tunes and hit subscribe.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm very excited to see you again, Chris.
It's been a while, maybe over a year, but you've had some hot activity.
I've been watching from the sidelines, so it's quite enjoyable.
chris elston
It's been wild, yeah.
ian crossland
Man, can't wait to hear about it, dude.
Got Mr. Dupre on my right over here.
serge du preez
Yes, uh, I am here.
It's gonna be a good one.
Pleasure to meet you, Chris.
And, uh, I'm ready for the episode when you are too.
tim pool
Alright, here's the first story we got.
Grand jury indicts Daniel Penny in chokehold death of Jordan Neely.
Neely's death was ruled a homicide, according to the medical examiner.
They say the exact charges will not be unsealed until Penny appears in court at a later date, the sources said.
Penny was initially arrested on second-degree manslaughter charge.
Okay, so to clarify, I thought they had indicted him for that reason, so we don't know exactly what he was indicted for, but he was arrested for second-degree manslaughter.
Video showed Penny putting Neely in a chokehold.
On May 1st, several witnesses observed Neely making threats.
Assistant District Attorney Joshua Steinglass told the judge, Some witnesses told police that Neely was yelling and harassing passengers on the train, authorities said.
Police source told ABC News that Penny was not specifically being threatened by Neely when he intervened, and that Neely had not become violent and had not been threatening anyone in particular.
Neely was homeless at the time of the incident.
So there is another witness on the train who said that he was threatening all of their lives, saying he was going to seriously hurt them, and that she thought they were in serious danger, and that Penny saved their lives.
But this is what's happening in big cities, so it's unsurprising to hear that they've actually issued this indictment.
The fact that they arrested him in the first place.
I have questions about these police officers.
I have questions about, you know, where this country goes if this is the case.
We had that story that we talked about, and we'll get into more detail, with San Francisco's downtown district being totally obliterated.
And I want to show you this tweet.
This is a tweet from Ellen Barkin.
Ellen Barkin.
I'm not familiar with, you know, what her career is.
I think she's a writer or something.
But she just responded good.
So you have people who live in New York who every day are facing serious threats of violence as the city is rife with crime.
I google searched, and I hate to be a little crass, but I google searched rape on a New York subway.
If you Google search that, you will see a ridiculous amount of stories.
Almost every week, something like that happens.
It is shocking to me that there are women in New York City, with all of that going on every single week, and they're celebrating the fact that someone tried to help people, to save people from a violent, dangerous individual.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, none of these people have any ability to look more than five seconds into the future, and their general worldview is...
If something makes me feel positive, happy emotions, it's good.
If something makes me feel negative, sad emotions, it's bad.
And so hearing about somebody intervening and saving other people's lives, potentially, but knowing that that cost the aggressor their life might make somebody feel negative in the immediate short term.
And so then they're going to try to find a rationalization for that negative emotion because they don't want to challenge it.
They just want to stick with what they feel.
And similarly, when you have these stories of people being harmed, of course you've mentioned this before, Tim, that there are people who are pushed in front of the subway.
This never becomes a story, right?
When there's completely senseless violence, or when a woman is sexually abused in public.
It doesn't make headlines the same way that a man defending citizens does, and that's for a very simple reason, because the media wants us to know that if we stand up for ourselves against violent criminals, we will be punished for it.
I mean, this is by design.
They want criminals to overrun the cities, they want to make life as untenable as possible, because this is something Marxists virtually always do when they're trying to upset the social order, make things as unstable for people as possible.
tim pool
Just generally make cities unlivable, I suppose.
chris elston
It's like the ice cream shop in Seattle that's suing now because their business suffered a loss of revenue when the autonomous zone, the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, CHAZ, was established.
But the same ice cream shop was calling for them to defund the police.
That's right.
tim pool
That was a good headline.
Ice cream shop that supported defunding police is now suing the city because the police didn't help him.
It seems like, as I often say, it's a chaotic and destructive force that its intention is just to destroy.
I can't put myself in the shoes of these voters, of people in New York City, people like Ellen Barkin, who are like, I'm glad.
That people are stopped, are not allowed to defend themselves.
It's like bizarro America, you know?
It's like intentionally nonsensical, illogical, and destructive.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, what the left has effectively done is it's gotten people to cheer for the prospect of defenselessness, right?
So, we're gonna defund the police.
And then we're also going to prosecute you when you defend yourself, and we're going to do everything we possibly can to ensure it's as difficult as possible, if not impossible, for you to get a firearm to protect yourself or your family.
And we know whenever the left is in control of anything, things don't get better for people.
I think one really hilarious example of this was the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest, or Autonomous Zone, depending on how you want to refer to it, where leftists literally took over several City blocks in Seattle, and not only did no one in the media call it an insurrection, but ironically enough, this was done in order to protest police violence.
And then over the course of this being set up, two teenagers were shot in this autonomous zone that they set up.
So, they'll try to pursue these insane utopian solutions without actually knowing anything when they're trying to implement, you know, these solutions, without actually doing anything that's going to improve life for people, but just trying to shirk off the authority that's already there.
And then when people get hurt, they're never held to account for it because they had good intentions and what else matters?
tim pool
When I used to talk about The escalation of conflict in this country and the risk of civil war.
2017, there's an article in New Yorker.
I went back over that article today because we just saw the president federally indicted by, I'm sorry, the former president, future president perhaps, very likely.
We saw Donald Trump indicted federally by Joe Biden.
So this is a president targeting his political rival.
That's the highest level.
That's it.
What I was saying back then was all of these conflicts that we're seeing, this political conflict, it will reach higher and higher levels of politics.
And I was told that I was crazy and I was wrong.
It wasn't going to happen.
Now what we're seeing, and the reason I bring this up in this context, is the people that are celebrating A former Marine, trying to save lives, celebrating his criminal indictment, arrest and charges, when he was trying to protect people, is... It seems like opposite day.
It seems like an inversion on American morals and values.
It seems like literally bizarro America.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is what happens when people are led by their emotions and not logic.
When they've given away, like, you look at the pictures of this NBC, is it NBC or ABC?
ABC News article, there it shows Daniel Penney, bad guy.
I mean, he's got handcuffs on, he's got five o'clock shadow, like, looks got shadow on his face.
Then you scroll down and you see the other guy, the homeless guy.
Look at this glamour picture like this is the guy that was screaming who's gonna kill people on the subway But man, you're not gonna know that by looking at that beautiful picture of him with all that really nice lighting and the city in the background So I think what happened is this guy walked on the train It was like I'm gonna kill so and but he wasn't specifically targeting any one person and that's the that's the argument they're making But he was obviously yelling and making people uncomfortable enough that people felt like they had to intervene stop this guy before Apparently they all went to like one side to avoid him like
he was threatening that isn't common Maybe not common New York behavior, but that is like if you
have ridden a New York subway You know when the guy starts screaming that smells like
poop down the way you get up and you move Otherwise, he's gonna come sit on you
seamus coughlin
well These are people who say that words are violence in
Misgendering somebody is incitement and then this guy is screaming that he's not afraid to go back to jail and he'll
kill somebody so and There was no need for anyone to step in and neutralize that
threat It's patently ridiculous on its face, and you're right, Ian.
They're showing nice-looking pictures of the person who was an aggressor, and they're showing pictures that make the defendant, in this case, look as Unlikable is possible.
Every single time there's a story of a police officer shooting somebody in the news, the media has this unwritten rule.
Never show the mugshot.
Never show a picture of this person in police custody.
Always show them when they were younger.
Always show them in their most attractive moment.
And then, this guy's on trial, and of course, they have to represent him as some kind of violent maniac, and not someone who did something reasonable and tried to help people, so they're showing you pictures where he doesn't look at it.
tim pool
They show a photo of Penny in handcuffs.
seamus coughlin
Scowling, right?
tim pool
They show the perpetrator, the person who was the aggressor, with a glamour shot in City Lights.
chris elston
That's probably ten years old, too.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
seamus coughlin
My question now... She moonwalked once, so...
tim pool
It feels intentional.
chris elston
It is.
tim pool
It feels like the media intentionally wants to gut and rip apart and destroy.
ian crossland
And the legal system is playing the lapdog of the media, whether it wants to or not.
Like, they don't want their careers to be ruined.
I bet Daniel Penney's lawyer was like, don't say anything in public about it.
tim pool
But I'm wondering if Daniel Penney... They posted a video.
ian crossland
Daniel Penney did?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
I saw that.
I haven't seen it yet.
Was it an emotional plea?
Because if he hasn't captured people's emotions yet, I feel like he's doomed to the legal system.
tim pool
But if he can get out ahead of it and start making internet videos, then maybe he'll be like the guy... Sorry, there's questions about whether or not people in New York on a jury will actually convict him.
Because they're probably going to be like, there will be regular people saying, I experienced this, no way, we can't convict this guy.
But I have a feeling that after a few of the riots, and Antifa smashing windows and setting fires, after a couple of those, then the jury will go in under armed protection and just say, I just want to be left alone, I'll do whatever you say.
ian crossland
Yep.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
I mean, there's a question that the United States has to ask itself, and I'm taking this from a conversation that I had on my podcast the other day, and it actually didn't come from my guest, it came from him paraphrasing book that he'd read recently, which unfortunately I don't
remember the name of, but you really have to ask yourself the question, who are you
rooting for?
Right? And whenever you look at these stories, whenever you analyze anything the media is
talking about, whenever you're looking at a public policy prescription, you have to ask,
who is this rooting for? Who is this helping? Who do we care about?
tim pool
Well, take a look at this story from the New York Times.
Westfield gives up San Francisco Mall signaling more pain ahead.
Retailers have been fleeing the city's downtown and some analysts say there may be more to come.
It's an issue facing various downtowns around the United States.
I love how they try and, once again, obfuscate what's going on.
It's affecting everyone.
Yeah, no, the Hilton and Park 55, massive hotels in center San Francisco, being surrendered to lenders.
And a massive mall, which is several hundred thousand square feet being surrendered, is particularly unique to San Francisco.
Maybe it's all of the human feces littered about the streets, or the rampant open-air drug use, but this city has been gutted and destroyed.
And the question to ask is, Should we be happy or sad about this?
Should we gloat?
Haha, look what your policies have wrought.
Why?
Even though these policies are destroying these cities, you still have these liberals cheering for it.
So maybe we just say, okay, then you're getting what you want, I suppose.
seamus coughlin
They are.
I still think there's reason to be sad about it because this is something that is being destroyed by people who didn't build it and that's always very important to remember.
This city was built up by their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents and then they came along and they tore it down and part of the reason they tore it down was out of envy.
There are people who have worked harder than me, who have made more beautiful things than I've made, or could even hope to make, or am interested in making, and that makes me mad, and I want to rip it all apart.
And so when they start to do that by implementing insane policies that say things like, you can steal and we won't prosecute you, as long as it's less than $900 worth of theft that's occurred...
And you rewire people's thinking into this very insane short-term paradigm that rewards people for taking and not for making, then this is the exact scenario you end up with.
You get destruction and nobody builds anything, why would they?
You've only punished them for it.
tim pool
Can we go back to when they passed that law in San Francisco where they were like, or I don't know if it was a law or a policy or whatever, anything under $990 or whatever, you would not be criminally charged if you stole.
And then we immediately started seeing videos of people filling garbage bags full of merchandise.
Well, I guess because none of those items equal up to $1,000.
So they would just start dumping entire shelves into bags, hop on their bike and then ride out and everyone just shrugs.
chris elston
Why wouldn't these people keep doing this?
unidentified
Yeah, there's no incentive.
seamus coughlin
We're telling them to.
chris elston
If they get arrested, they get let out a couple hours later and they can go right back and they do this 20 times.
And then we have these employees at Lululemon who reported on or tried to stop the- They just filmed it!
They just filmed it and they got fired just for filming because the policies don't intervene.
tim pool
They went outside like father I'm filming or something like that.
seamus coughlin
I've mentioned this a hundred times in the show, but anytime someone's doing something degenerate, immoral, or destructive, we have to engage in every level of socio-economic analysis to excuse their behavior.
They were only stealing from that store because we didn't spend enough public money on the library in their neighborhood, or they didn't have a good enough public school.
But then when these people film someone who's stealing something from their store, which is an abundantly reasonable reaction to people committing an act of theft in front of you, They're evil.
They have to be fired.
There's no mercy.
We don't engage in any kind of analysis of their behavior.
We just dispense with them.
tim pool
You look at AOC cheering or demanding the criminal charges for Penny, saying that, oh, it was murder.
So a murder happened in public.
How is he not getting it?
It's wild.
They're creating the problem.
They're exacerbating the crime.
And then they're trying to imprison and destroy the lives of anybody who tries to protect themselves.
They genuinely don't want you living in these cities.
chris elston
And where does this all come from?
We have communism being rebranded in Western culture.
tim pool
Yeah.
chris elston
A lot of this stems back to Karl Marx.
It's the same policies.
It's the theory that there is class warfare, there's an oppressor class, and there are the oppressed.
And a lot of people, when you're talking about this with normal people, it's not probably good to talk about communism because they look at you sideways like you have a hole in your head and you're some conspiracy theorist.
But Marxism has been rebranded to be equity.
And up in Canada, where I'm from, we even have the conservative leaders calling for an equitable society.
Well, equity is just equality of outcome.
That's not what we want.
We want equality of opportunity.
If Martin Luther King were alive today, they'd be calling him the black face of white supremacy, just as they did with Larry Elder in California, because he was calling for equality of opportunity.
He would be aghast at what's happening today.
tim pool
I mean, but we're also talking about the civil rights era back in the 50s and stuff, so he's fairly conservative on a lot of issues, and I don't know what his religious background was.
Obviously he was... Martin Luther King?
Yeah, obviously he's Christian, but I don't know which sect specifically.
serge du preez
I believe he was Baptist.
tim pool
Baptist?
chris elston
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, just that alone makes him a fascist.
chris elston
Right.
A Christo-fascist.
tim pool
Right.
chris elston
If you're a Christian today, you're a Christo-fascist.
I get called it all the time.
People assume I'm a Christian.
I'm not.
I'm basically agnostic.
But I deal with these crazy people all the time, these violent people.
I've been arrested twice after getting assaulted just because it's easier to get rid of me than it is to get rid of all the crazy people.
tim pool
I've been saying that.
We had a Press for Truth.
Dan Dix was at a protest.
Do you know the story?
chris elston
That's me that he was filming.
tim pool
Oh, he was filming you.
And then they pulled him out.
chris elston
I'm the guy that got assaulted.
tim pool
And then they removed him.
They said, you got to get out of here.
And they pulled him out and threatened him with arrest.
chris elston
That's happened to him as well.
tim pool
Right.
He was assaulted.
chris elston
Sorry, I'm confused because he was recently just interviewing me when I was assaulted.
tim pool
And then they threatened you with arrest or did arrest you?
chris elston
No, they, the main police officer who was there to investigate a previous assault that I already incurred smiled as I was getting assaulted.
unidentified
Wow.
chris elston
And this video had 80 million views.
It went all around the world.
tim pool
Wow.
chris elston
Dan was just a couple months ago, but I've also been arrested after getting assaulted twice in Vancouver.
tim pool
Dan was filming a protest, they attacked him.
The police then come in and they say, you have to leave.
And he's like, me?
He's like, they attacked me!
And he's like, don't care.
You get out now or you're going to be arrested.
chris elston
It happened.
It happens.
tim pool
I've been telling people.
chris elston
It happens to street preachers as well in Canada.
tim pool
The police, the police are going, well, look at that preacher in Redding, Pennsylvania.
Do you see this story?
chris elston
No.
tim pool
There was a pride event happening and a guy was in the street and he just, he started to quote a Bible verse and the cop just grabs him and arrests him.
chris elston
Oh, I did see that.
tim pool
Because the cops are thinking it is easier to arrest one person than deal with a riot.
chris elston
That's right.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, absolutely.
chris elston
But it's good.
It's great when they do that because this backfires.
It backfires every time.
I got charged with causing a disturbance after getting assaulted by a union rep, actually, of the British Columbia government.
And I was hoping it would go to trial because this would have been a slam dunk victory.
But of course, one day before my court hearing, the charge gets dismissed.
In the meantime, I was banned from walking on all these streets in the middle of downtown Vancouver.
But all it does is bring in more support for the cause, so it backfires every time.
And we have to... I mean, we have to expose this every time, but we have to also take it and use it in our favor.
As we have been doing, and it's working, people are waking up, finally, to what's going on in Western culture.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you just worry though, and I think there's kind of an intellectual and governmental arms race occurring, which is the left is trying to become as powerful as possible and get as much leverage over the average person.
Before people wake up to what's happening, right?
Ideally for them, everyone hasn't woken up to what they're doing and what they're trying to do until it's already too late and they have all of the power.
So, we have to get as many people as possible informed before we get to the point where they're literally able to do whatever they want.
And it's getting close.
I mean, it really is getting very close.
chris elston
And my biggest concern for all of this is the universities.
Because that's where these kids are really getting indoctrinated.
Yes, a lot of them have left as parents or whatever, but they get into these universities and these are indoctrination stations now.
tim pool
I disagree.
chris elston
Okay.
tim pool
I think it's TikTok.
seamus coughlin
I think it's both.
chris elston
For sure.
tim pool
Yeah, it's in high schools too.
chris elston
Especially for the younger kids.
tim pool
I think kids are starting to push back.
But I think, you know, I've had this debate with Dr. Peter Boghossian, who shares a similar view to yours that this stuff originates in universities.
And I think a component of it does.
But I think social media algorithms have perpetuated this.
And the reason why we're seeing so many companies now backtrack and panic Like, you know, everyone's saying, oh, ESG is driving this stuff, and I'm like, I don't think so.
I think this stuff is driving ESG, or there's some correlation, but not a direct causation.
Target's saying they wanted to hide their Pride merchandise in some stores.
The bottom line is everything.
And if their cost-benefit analysis is, we make money when we do Pride stuff, they'll keep doing it.
Now that the Bud Light thing happened, they're starting to say, we actually are going to lose a lot of money if we do this, so just stop doing it.
What's the point?
So I think that's actually a very promising sign.
I do think there's something turning around here and I think we are on a major path towards victory.
chris elston
Yeah.
tim pool
I've been hearing some crazy stuff.
Like people who are completely outside of politics posting things on YouTube and stuff and saying like, hey man, I'm not cool with this.
That's me.
chris elston
That was me.
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh yeah, what is you?
chris elston
I used to be in the investment arena.
I used to have a real job before I was a crazy billboard person standing out on the street getting assaulted and arrested.
But it amazed me that Wall Street essentially was captured by communism because that's as capitalist as you get.
Yet we have ESG coming through the back door.
And you mentioned ESG.
And why is ESG capturing Wall Street?
Well, ultimately, that even comes down to communism, because you have firms like BlackRock, managing this $30 billion pension fund or whatever it is in California.
And you get the leftist politicians pressuring BlackRock that if you don't start pushing our agenda, we're not going to let you manage our gigantic pension fund.
So ultimately, They bow down to some of these pressures, and they start, in turn, putting these pressures on the companies that they invest in, otherwise they won't invest in them.
And when it comes to investing, it's all about the institutional investors that these corporations care about.
They don't care about the retail investor.
It's all about the institutions.
And so, kind of through this back door, they've gotten in there.
But all this is coming from so many directions.
It's the WEF, it's the WHO, it's the UN, it's everything.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Well, I mean, activist organizations exist, but what I see happening is, When it was about what's socially acceptable and what's not.
Before the internet, racism is not socially acceptable.
Most bigotry, hate speech, all that stuff, people are like, hey, we don't want to do that because it can cost us money.
If I'm selling donuts at my donut shop, the last thing we want is for someone to feel unwelcome to stop buying from us.
That simple component, along with the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which enshrined civil rights, created algorithmic pressures.
You end up with social media Running two different worlds right away.
One was nationalistic, one was progressive.
The progressive one seemed to be more socially acceptable because it was in line with movies and Hollywood and things like that.
The nationalistic one seemed to be conservative, so it's no good.
So what do they do?
Facebook almost immediately starts having conservative stories pulled from their trending news tab.
That was the big breaking revelation from Gizmodo.
Then they start, from like 2007-2008, start actively promoting as much as possible things that were socially acceptable.
So companies started mass-producing articles that just played the social justice game because that's what was getting promoted and that's what made them money.
So if you've got a kid who's nine years old in 2009 and they just get on Facebook for the first time, even though that's when you're supposed to be 13, but let's say their parent got them a cell phone and they find a way to get on it, all they see every day are videos of black people being beaten by police.
Why?
Because it made money for corporations.
That's the only reason.
Media websites made money off of it.
That kid, nine years old, it's the only thing he sees.
Now he's 23.
His whole world growing up, the only thing he ever saw was these kinds of videos.
Then you end up with that video where it was Nuance Bro.
I don't know if you saw this one.
Nuance Bro is having a Twitter space with this Gen Z for Change guy.
And the Gen Z for Change guy said 30% of black people are killed each year.
seamus coughlin
Like, just- By the police.
By the police.
Specifically.
tim pool
A number so insane.
Nuance Bro is like, that means all black people would be dead in three years or so.
Are you nuts?
And then the kid goes, would you agree that 15 to 20% is more fair?
And then they're just dying laughing, like, have you lost your mind?
No, they never had it.
That's why, long story short, I think it's the algorithms that are manipulating these kids into believing this fictitious version of the world.
And then you end up with a lot of people saying they're delusional or they're crazy, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
There's a difference.
Someone may be suffering a disability, an ailment, developmental disability, is absolutely different from a kid growing up and being lied to their whole life.
chris elston
Yes, the problem with society today, so we think we're this advanced society.
I said this on a video the other day that took off a little bit when talking about the transition to kids.
We think we're this advanced society, technologically and all that we are.
Yet psychologically, we're the same as cavemen used to be.
Our minds are very malleable.
We're prone to groupthink.
We're prone to mass psychoses.
And now you bring in social media and these algorithms, and it's so easy to manipulate vast swaths of the population.
And that is what's happening.
And you say this isn't necessarily coming from the universities, but all these people working at these social media companies.
A lot of them became radicalized and got pushed further left while they were going to university and then they get these jobs.
ian crossland
Facebook was built at a university by Mark Zuckerberg while he was at the university.
tim pool
But why is it, you know, pre-2016, Twitter is the free speech wing of the free speech party and then all of a sudden it starts to change?
That, I think, may have been the result of the election of Donald Trump.
You see that video where Google executives are crying saying, I can't believe we let this happen and things like that.
Why is it that In the early days of these websites, these media companies that were getting traction, the one I often cite is Mike.com, which is, you know, woke progressive.
When it started, it was Ron Paul Libertarian.
Because it wasn't.
And these are the same people who went to university who started these companies, at the time, held very different views.
And then it changed.
I think the reason is Over a long enough period of time, if the pressure is on conservative view bad, liberal view good, then you end up with hyper-polarization towards the liberal and the banning of conservative ideas.
I don't think it has anything to do with universities.
Universities theoretically should take generations to indoctrinate a society.
You're there for a few years, you come out, and then you're dumped right back into society.
Spending a few years in an indoctrination center, you come out, you have those ideas, you try to then apply that pressure to the rest of the country, which is millions, hundreds of millions of people.
You may, you will hold those views, but it's not going to be as pronounced because you can only go so far.
chris elston
But why are conservatives so hesitant to express their views?
Because I go to universities and hang out on campus for hours, days at a time, And I have these conversations about child transition or whatever, and I have a sign that's very basic.
It says, children cannot consent to puberty blockers.
The conservatives have to hide their views.
They come up to me in silence.
I can hardly ever show our conversations.
tim pool
Well, that's just cowardice.
chris elston
But this is just the way it's set up.
You're allowed to have these radical leftist views, but you're not allowed to have a normal view.
We call them conservative views.
They're not even conservative.
They're just normal.
tim pool
But this is exactly what I was explaining, right?
It used to be back in the day that all of our information and our narratives came from television or radio, newspaper, but mostly TV.
That's where we absorbed everything.
And so you had a small handful of networks that dictated what was.
So we all basically agreed on what was.
It was socially acceptable.
Now what is allowed to be on the internet is what is socially acceptable.
And now, what is allowed to be on the internet is actually changing.
It gets heavily censorious, it goes back and forth, YouTube changes its policies.
Of course, these big tech companies have gone very, very woke.
Elon Musk, buying Twitter, has started to change the game on what is allowed.
Rumble's emergence has started to change the game on what is allowed, because these companies know that they'll collapse.
What I think is, first, cowardice and bravery, they don't mean that you are or are not scared.
Bravery is, when you are scared, you act regardless of your fear.
Cowardice is, you do not act because of your fear.
And I'm not saying to be a dick to people, I'm saying people are offended by being called cowards because it has a negative connotation.
But if you are too scared to say how you really feel, how you really, because, you know, then that's cowardice.
And if you are offended by being called that, I think that's internal to you, right?
I think someone who refuses to act in the face of fear and danger despite knowing that they must and that there's important things to be done is cowardice.
Seeing someone facing, like, you know, the enemy troops are coming in and they drop their weapon and they run full speed, knowing they needed to defend their homeland or whatever.
We call that cowardice.
Bravery and heroism is knowing that you might die in the great battle in World War II, but you charge those beaches anyway because you have to.
You have no choice.
That's how we define these things.
I feel bad for a lot of these people who know that they could lose their jobs, could destroy their lives, could destroy their families, but the reality is if every single person just spoke up, there would be no power there anyway.
chris elston
Right.
tim pool
The issue, I believe, is that The majority of people are only acting based on what they feel is socially acceptable, what is the quote-unquote right side of history.
And the reason why now we are seeing companies back down because of Bud Light, you know, we're seeing Starbucks, the workers union saying they're being told to take pride decorations down, but the company is denying it.
I don't believe the company.
The major corporation is worried about their stock price or their bottom line.
The workers are ideological and there's videos of the decorations being taken down.
So that seems to be more likely, but you know, who knows?
Who knows?
All of a sudden now we're seeing prominent personalities come out and say, hey, I'm not okay with this.
More people are starting to speak up.
Why?
The Bud Light effect showed people mathematically and definitively, there is a large faction of people in this country who do not like what's happening.
When the sales drop by 30% and it persists for now two and a half months, you start to see people say, Is it cool now to do this?
Well, here's what happens.
The people who started making videos about Bud Light started getting millions of hits.
Now it's definitive.
Now if you're a regular person and you don't know what's up and what's down, all you know is, hey man, when they make fun of Bud Light, they get millions of views.
I want millions of views.
That's the social pressure and the quote-unquote right side of history.
Now we're starting to see a major shift.
chris elston
And with movements.
It's never the leaders who are the most important people.
It's always the first followers.
Because those first followers make it okay for other people to come along.
And that's exactly what we're seeing today.
In Canada this last week, we had the biggest protest against gender ideology in Canadian history.
led by myself and a student, a 17 year old boy who got kicked out of his Catholic school because he stood up for some girls in his school who didn't want boys in their bathroom.
And he refuses to yield to his scientific factual belief that there are two sexes.
So he got kicked out of Catholic school, misleading a movement with students.
And now the Muslims are getting involved.
Christians were finally coming out.
We had hundreds of people there, whereas two years ago, I couldn't get two people to come out on the street.
And we're seeing this all over North America now, and it's not going to stop.
tim pool
Let me jump to this story from the post-millennial to give everybody a good bit of optimism.
Quote, my pronouns are USA.
Massachusetts Middle School tries to make children wear rainbow clothing for pride.
Students revolt, wear red, white, and blue.
This video is fascinating, where you have parents furious that these kids were saying no to Pride Day.
Some kids were chanting that their pronouns were USA, they were wearing red, white, and blue, and pride decorations had been torn down.
Parents said the hate starts at home.
This is fascinating.
So kids at a school revolted against what the school was trying to impose on them, and other parents came in and blamed the parents of those kids.
I gotta tell you, that's fascinating to me.
Kids acting out, and you're furious and upset, but you know what is?
You know what is amazing?
Is that we're seeing more and more of this.
There was another video where kids are in a classroom and they play a Pride video, and the kids all boo and groan, and say, why are you showing this to us?
And the teacher threatens them with a quote-unquote Saturday school if they don't stop acting inappropriately.
I think the kids are all right.
I think this is cause for hope.
ian crossland
The kids are all right.
chris elston
The kids are more than all right.
And I've known this for a long time because I'm out on the streets and they come up to me.
But I'm going to read you guys a message I got from a grade 10 student today.
Hi Chris, thanks for getting back so soon.
Oh, here it is.
I'm in 10th grade.
This has to stop.
I'm tired of going to school, scared of getting pressed because I said something bad in a language they made up.
It's not fair that they're insecure teenagers whose parents didn't give them enough attention.
Who knows if that's true?
But as kids, why do I have to pay for it?
And he told me that in advance of this protest we had last week, over the PA system to the whole school, they said that if kids didn't get support for pride or for transition, that these kids would be likely to commit suicide or have self-harm.
A child said this over the PA system to the whole school.
This is the propaganda that these kids are receiving everywhere.
And when they hear this a thousand times a year, they believe it.
And so when people like us come along and talk common sense, they've been so indoctrinated by these school systems to believe that kids are coming to harm that they think we're the devil.
But they're planning a walkout.
The students now are planning a walkout next week against their own school.
tim pool
Where is this at?
chris elston
This is in Ottawa, Canada.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
chris elston
But this is happening all across the country.
In Nova Scotia, on June 1st, 33% of students didn't go to school.
The parents withheld them to protest Pride Month.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Whoa, really?
seamus coughlin
That's massive.
tim pool
I mean, Canada is in serious trouble.
chris elston
Big time.
ian crossland
Yeah.
chris elston
But we're fixing it.
I wipe people all the time because I have faith in humanity.
And I know that we're going to get the truth out there.
But yes, I think we're probably the worst in the world.
ian crossland
If you, like, children especially have a, kind of a, I don't know, just a reputation for being, like, to... Why am I having trouble with the words?
You know, like, to say no to revolt against authority.
There's this whole, like, punk counterculture.
serge du preez
Yeah, whatever's popular.
ian crossland
Children are great young people because their brains are still very open to seeing what's real and what's not.
Now there are kids that will get manipulated.
But I tell you, if a school for a year force-fed kids meatloaf and all they did was put meatloaf propaganda all over the school, you better believe that half a bunch of those kids are going to be like, screw meatloaf!
I don't want anything to do with meatloaf!
I hate meatloaf!
And then you're going to see that with Pride.
It's not that it's because they hate transgenderism, gay or bi.
They don't want to be indoctrinated.
serge du preez
Exactly.
chris elston
They went too far.
I've been bamboozled by this 20-something generation who love government authority.
Wear masks.
You're evil for not wearing a mask.
Get jabbed.
Do everything the government tells you.
That's what all these 20-somethings are doing.
But I'm seeing a generational shift with the younger kids.
They're tired of this.
And it's beautiful.
tim pool
Well, I wonder if it's because, as we often mention, conservatives are more likely to have kids.
And I think one of the reasons the left is so panicked and desperately trying to indoctrinate schools is because they know they don't have kids.
Twenty years ago, it was like four to three.
For every four conservative kids, there were three liberal kids.
And this means that voting patterns are going to shift very, very, very heavily.
Now people on the right often say, well, they're going to bring in illegal immigrants for that or whatever.
And I'm like, yeah, but they can't vote.
They can change the census in a decade, which will favor certain urban populations that do this, but in the short term, they will not win if this is the case.
chris elston
Right.
tim pool
Older people are passing on, younger people are entering voting age, and there's more younger conservatives than left kids, and so their only option, as the saying goes, socialists don't have kids, they have yours.
That's their only option.
chris elston
Yes, and I've had probably 15,000 conversations out on the street.
My number one allies, I hate the word ally, people who support me the most, Our black men.
It's so rare for a black man to have an issue with my message, which is that we shouldn't be transitioning kids.
They all agree with me.
The women too.
And Hispanic communities.
And they are conservative when it comes to family.
They like the nuclear family.
But they've all been taught to believe that they have to vote Democrat, as though Democrats are representing their interests, and they're not.
And we're going to see a shift in this, as we've already seen happen in Florida.
tim pool
It is a fascinatingly white, liberal family thing to not have families.
You know, if you look at, we've talked about Shabbat in Jewish families and how powerful that is in protecting your kids, your family, and your community.
From Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, you are with your family, you're not working, you're not, you know, they take this habit very seriously.
And even for Christians going to church, These form protective barriers for your community from outside influences that seek to destroy you.
But if you look at a lot of like immigrant families, if you look at, as you mentioned, black families, they're very much so.
They say that the church is heavily involved in politics, although it's not as true as it used to be.
It is fascinating that it seems to be more so white liberal families that are opposed to family in general.
seamus coughlin
I was going to touch on this, and you sort of mentioned this, Tim, but these are the views of a very specific subsection of affluent white people.
This is not something that the black community is calling for, the Hispanic community is calling for, and it's not something the vast majority of white people are calling for either.
It's just a very, very small minority of very affluent people, and When you look at BLM and the fact that they've tied it up so closely with this gender nonsense, and they've even put a black and brown stripe on the pride flag to try to link these perverse sexual lifestyle choices to being a minority in this country, it becomes obvious that they really know
That they have to try as hard as they can to get the support of these groups.
And so they're going to try to do that just by claiming it's the case and shouting you down if you disagree with them, having a few spokespeople who are black or Hispanic, when in reality, those communities, they don't like this, right?
They don't want to be called latinx.
They don't want you trying to trans their kid.
They're not taking their kid to drag queen story hour.
This is something white suburban mothers with too much time and money think makes them special.
Is that it?
That's all?
ian crossland
That's affluenza?
I mean, I thought it was a joke.
What was that guy's name?
tim pool
Affluenza was... No regard for consequence.
ian crossland
Some kid, rich kid, hit and killed somebody drunk driving, I believe, and they let him out.
And they were like, his problem is that he's too affluent.
He's got affluenza.
That was an actual thing.
Like, it's not an actual medical condition, but they purported like it was.
And I'm wondering if this is actually affluenza.
When people get too rich and white, I'm white.
People get too rich.
seamus coughlin
They get too white.
ian crossland
Too rich and too, like, what's the, what would be the word?
Not too white, but too, like, socially stable.
tim pool
Complacent.
ian crossland
Yeah, complacent because it's like, oh, you don't have to work to get ahead in society.
They just start looking inward for problems.
tim pool
It's, it's that, it's that meme of the guy.
He tweets in the, he lives in Los Angeles and he tweets, yay, they're rioting.
Keep it up.
Look, like, watch the building burn.
Then the next day he tweets, oh no, they're coming to my neighborhood.
Get out of here, you, you beasts.
seamus coughlin
This is the party of empathy.
ian crossland
As soon as the problem is out there, you realize all this inner crap is not that important.
tim pool
Look, James O'Keefe did this.
It was fantastic.
They went to- I believe it was James who did this.
They went to people's houses, and they said that they were people who were in favor of gun control.
And then the people in the house were like, oh, that's fantastic.
Like, do you support gun control?
Like, I do, absolutely.
And they were like, you don't own guns, right?
And they're like, no, who does?
Like, can we put a sign in front of your house saying, proud, proud gunless home.
Like, we oppose guns.
And every person goes, Well, no.
No, you can't do that.
You're inviting criminals.
What do you mean?
I thought you were in favor of gun control.
That's the perfect example.
The wealthy uppity people who are protected by police will complain about police because they don't see the problem.
Then later on they go, oh heavens me, oh how can this be?
Like that, uh, was it the ice cream shop?
It was in Seattle, I think you mentioned?
They say, defund the police!
chris elston
Woohoo!
tim pool
And then they go out, they start losing money and now they're suing the city because the police didn't help them.
chris elston
Yes, I've had police called on me 150 times.
Always by police, people who say, let's defund the police.
serge du preez
Yeah, every time.
chris elston
They're the first to call the police as soon as they see an opinion they don't like.
tim pool
No, it's true.
seamus coughlin
Well, there's a certain kind of person this happens to, but I find this is also true of people who are wealthy, and particularly when they're very wealthy to the point where they will never have to worry about their material needs for the rest of their life.
There is an increased emphasis on reputation and other people's perception of you, which I think would be considered extremely unusual if it were seen in a poor or working class person.
And then once you no longer have to concern yourself with having your basic needs met, how you look to other people becomes much more important.
And so what happens is you want to be seen as high status within your community, but everyone else is already very wealthy or have their needs taken care of.
And so one way that you can signal your superiority is by saying, I care about X, Y, or Z social cause.
And even if you're not necessarily doing anything that actually helps people, if you claim that you are, if you say, you know, you're contributing to some cause like BLM, which doesn't actually do anything besides destroy, but purports to help black people and others who are disenfranchised, then you can get this unearned social capital.
And I think that's what matters to them more than money in many instances.
tim pool
Let's talk about the White House here.
We have the story from the Daily Mail.
They are not your kids.
DeSantis and Musk slam White House for pride tweet celebrating LGBTQI community and quote, our kids that are part of it.
In the post, it says, these are our kids, not somebody else's kids.
They're all our kids.
seamus coughlin
That is unbelievable.
I mean, I shouldn't say it's unbelievable.
It's predictable, but that is just openly saying the quiet part loud.
tim pool
It's obvious.
Because liberals are not having kids.
They're aborting their kids, and in many instances now, they are sterilizing or increasing the likelihood of sterilization of these kids.
seamus coughlin
But what kind of creep says that, right?
tim pool
A creep who knows that their political faction doesn't have voters.
seamus coughlin
Yes, but this is my point.
They're not just saying it, you're right, they're acting on it, but if anyone else, like, if somebody came up to you in public and said, those aren't your kids, those are our kids, how would you respond to that person?
tim pool
I would show a picture of the communist meme with Drake pointing to, going like this, to my kids, and then pointing to our kids.
seamus coughlin
I would call the police.
ian crossland
Yeah, if someone said, your kids are mine.
seamus coughlin
Calling 9-1-1.
tim pool
Your kids are mine!
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure if I'm able to say on air what the response is.
tim pool
I would ask if they live in a house made of candy.
chris elston
They're passing legislation in all sorts of blue states to make this a reality.
tim pool
Right.
chris elston
Where they can take your kids away from you if you don't agree that your girl is a boy.
ian crossland
That was California has passed something through the House of Representatives, I think, into their Senate.
tim pool
Hasn't gone through their State House.
It's now advanced to their State Senate in California.
And they're saying that if you don't affirm your child that they could restrict visitation or take custody of your kids.
chris elston
Yeah, they consider it child abuse.
They're already a sanctuary state so that If there's a custody dispute going on in Texas, for example, and this mom wants to transition the kid, she can take the kid to California, and California will now ignore all court orders, subpoenas, arrest warrants, or custody agreements so that this child can be transitioned, or a runaway as well.
They'll hide the runaway from the parents and they won't return them home.
They'll ignore the laws of the home state, which should violate the Constitution.
This needs to be challenged.
tim pool
And this is reminiscent to me of the American Civil War.
When they had the runaway, I think it was the Runaway Slave Act, you had states in the North saying that we will absolutely not abide by these, by this law, and the South saying then why are we a part of this union?
Southern states were like, if we have a law and you don't follow it, what's the point?
Now, the circumstances of course are different, the moral questions are different.
I'm wondering what the major catalyst will be.
Maybe it's abortion.
Abortion seems to be a direct 14th Amendment question in this country and a 14th Amendment violation in most regards.
So I wonder if that'll be the catalyst.
But I also kind of think, you know, I don't know if the transgender kid stuff will be the catalyst.
And it's because I listened to audio from Matt Walsh of a father saying they took his kid away and were putting her on cross-sex hormones.
And it's like he's upset about it and he doesn't want it to happen, but that's the extent of the action that he's taking, right?
I feel like when it came to John Brown and when it came to slavery, you had active conflict for a decade of people killing each other over this stuff that you don't really have right now in any of these social issues.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well I think there's a few.
So I hear what you're saying about this not necessarily being a potential catalyst for massive conflict, but I also think that when you're talking about people's children, It's just a question of how many kids you do this to before somebody gets violent.
It's going to happen.
You're right.
I guess they haven't landed on those people who are going to respond violently to them, but they will eventually.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm not talking about civilians.
I'm talking about government.
seamus coughlin
You're talking about at the state level.
tim pool
At what point does the federal government or law enforcement say, you must return the child under the code of the law, and then California says no, and then troops will have to be sent to California to enforce the law?
When, you know, so I, you know, people give out for all sorts of things, and we definitely don't want that, and we need, we want civility, we want peace.
And at this point, I think violence actually just empowers them, it terrifies people, and they're able to use terrorism as a weapon.
I'm saying, like, at what point does Texas say, we are demanding the return of this man's child to California, and California says, we're not gonna answer your subpoena.
Like you said, they're gonna ignore subpoenas, warrants, et cetera.
At what point?
How can there be an intervention?
Does Texas then petition the federal government saying, we need federal assistance to enforce these laws between states?
What will likely occur, I'd imagine, is a lawsuit under original jurisdiction going to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court might just reject it outright and say, we're not going to listen to this.
And then you're going to have Texas be like, we're sending the Rangers.
We're going to send law enforcement to California to retrieve this man's child because we have the force of law behind us and these people have committed crimes.
California is now harboring criminals.
What point do states actually send law enforcement after each other?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's a good question.
chris elston
How does this all go?
How does society go?
So this is a big question because it seems we're so divided, almost irreparably so, and each political party Really, Stokes division, the media of course Stokes division, it almost seems irreparable.
I think we need an extremely strong and truthful and compassionate leader who can unite.
But that's almost impossible as well with this social media age, but I'm an eternal optimist and I do think it's possible, but I don't really see that person.
tim pool
Trump winning?
chris elston
Is he a uniter?
tim pool
There's no uniting.
There's only weeding out corruption.
So, was reconstruction after the Civil War in the United States uniting the country?
You can argue it was, but it was brutal.
I mean, getting rid of slavery, I think, was paramount, and it was good that it was done.
But if you hear the stories about how the Civil War went down, what the North was doing in the South, I mean, it's brutality.
It's untold brutality.
I mean, it's horrifying.
Sherman's march to the sea, the ransacking of civilian property, the destruction of everything in his path, just because.
They're like, we're going to win and we're going to destroy it.
It's scorched earth.
If Donald Trump gets elected and these states openly defy the federal government, insurrection.
He will then cite everything they've said about January 6th and insurrection as his justification for sending the troops in to enforce the law in these jurisdictions.
As the federal government dictates.
Now the funny thing is, the right who is currently saying, we want smaller government, the government's oppressive, will find themselves behind a more oppressive government.
What worries me is, is that the Trojan horse to get a federalized United States, in that the federal government now is local law enforcement.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
We've talked about this during the Summer of Love riots.
We don't want the federal government to be local law enforcement.
We want states to have their own jurisdictions, especially when it comes to things like Roe v. Wade.
The states have the rights to decide what their laws are.
If California is allowing the kidnapping of children and they will defy subpoenas and the rule of law outright because they assert that their their morals, their legal code supersedes anyone else's, then the only option is for federal law enforcement to intervene to uphold So let's talk about Portland, because Portland is, to a certain degree, a lawless society.
says, we're going to have to make sure you can't do these things.
chris elston
So let's talk about Portland, because Portland is, to a certain degree, a lawless society.
Police have orders to stand down if Antifa are committing violent assaults against people.
Now, for me, we cannot live in a society like that.
We cannot allow crazy, mentally disturbed anarchists to determine how our society is run.
But this is how it's being run in Portland.
So, recently I went to Portland State University, stood outside with my signs, with Peter Boghossian, Dr. Peter Boghossian, and the incredible James Kluge.
I don't know if you know him.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
chris elston
He's amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris elston
Dude's a pro.
But we specifically went there because That's the one place in the United States of America I was a little afraid to go to.
And you cannot let fear stop you from doing anything.
So we went there.
We planned it out.
We didn't announce when we were going beforehand because, of course, Antifa will then have time to mobilize because you can get killed there.
But we went there in the morning.
We stayed for a few hours, got amazing footage, and we left.
And I think we showed people that We don't need to let these anarchists tell us where and when we can have conversations.
tim pool
They're not anarchists.
chris elston
But why doesn't the federal government move in there?
tim pool
Well, so just to clarify, they're not anarchists.
They're hardcore authoritarians and communists.
chris elston
Right.
Well, they think they're communists.
Put them in an actual communist system and they'll revolt against that as well.
tim pool
They'll lie to you and tell you they're anarchists because the idea of anarchy literally means lacking or without authority.
That's how they lie to you.
They come to you and say, we don't want to be in charge.
We're anarchists.
We think there shouldn't be a big government.
By the way, do as we say or else.
They're tankies.
They're commies.
They're authoritarians all the way.
chris elston
But it comes from the mayor and the governor there, this lawlessness.
tim pool
So do you think the federal government should intervene to restore the rule of law?
chris elston
Yes.
tim pool
I don't disagree, but I also think that can lead down a dark path when you have people who live in California and say, these are our rules, these are the laws that we've passed, and now the federal government comes in and with national guardsmen patrolling neighborhoods, military police, and federal law enforcement, federal, I guess they'd be civilian law enforcement, telling people that those laws don't matter anymore, that the way they voted doesn't matter.
Imagine the inverse.
chris elston
But if you're going to be a state in this union, you have to abide by Some collective agreement.
tim pool
But they have their own within their states, right?
They keep voting for this.
They're celebrating Daniel Penney being indicted.
Imagine the inverse.
Joe Biden sending National Guard into Oklahoma to enforce abortion at any point, saying, your laws violate national order, so we are going to enforce.
Like, the point is, you may think you're right.
Certainly we here on this show have our own opinions, and I think we are right.
But if you zoom out and look at the picture holistically, you can simply say, faction A, faction B, and what powers can they wield?
And if we assert that we are right, so we should be able to go into their state to enforce our rules on them, regardless of how they voted, they would assert the same right.
And then we just hope that we win.
chris elston
Yeah, look, I understand.
There's a lot to this, and it's not just...
tim pool
I'm not saying we shouldn't.
I'm saying Trump should get elected and Trump should go in under federal law and supersede these governments.
chris elston
They're violating the law in Oregon.
It's not like they're following their own rules.
They're violating the law and no one is doing anything to bring these criminals to justice.
They won't even stop them committing the crimes.
They won't even stop them assaulting people when the assaults are happening.
The police will just stand and watch it.
seamus coughlin
They'll arrest you if you stop the assault.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
There's a video of cops in Seattle.
chris elston
They'll arrest me for getting assaulted.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
There's a guy being threatened by a bunch of antifa with weapons and the cops run up and grab and arrest the victim.
chris elston
It happens all the time.
tim pool
And then they apologize to antifa saying sorry about that.
chris elston
Yeah.
tim pool
So yes, I think that, you know, I'm not an anarchist.
I'm not a big-L libertarian.
I lean libertarian on most issues.
But I believe the big questions about how government is supposed to work is actually collective, largely collective morality.
We here in this country have a Judeo-Christian moral framework, for the most part.
Even the atheists and agnostics in this country do, as I often mention.
Bill Maher being a great example.
He may not understand why he believes in the right of free speech, or the right to a speedy trial, or a jury of your peers, and innocent until proven guilty.
He may not understand why he holds those values, but if you study history, if you study the traditions of the United States, and where this morality comes from, and the legal system, going back to the Magna Carta, etc., you'll be like, wow!
These people were all very Christian and learned these lessons from the Bible.
I'm not saying you need the Bible.
I mean, Seamus may disagree.
I'm just saying that there's a route to where this morality comes from.
And if you go to Eastern countries like China, their routes on morality are very, very different.
So that brings me to the question of how do we successfully run a country, the United States, when we're dealing with a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic?
Well, the multicultural democracy is basically breaking into our constitutional republic and trying to supplant and subvert it.
We must defend ourselves from that.
And that means that if we have a moral worldview and a moral framework that, for the most part, we agree upon, we act upon that, not under this guise of codified logical legal code.
I come to this conclusion because we were talking about Florida and parental rights.
Does a parent have a right to determine what medical treatment their kids do get or do not get?
Do you think parents have the absolute right?
chris elston
Yes, with very few exceptions.
So, where I'm from, British Columbia, we have a law called the Infants Act.
Which essentially states that parental approval is not needed for any medical procedure at any age, provided the doctor can understand, the doctor thinks it's necessary, and the doctor thinks the child can understand.
And what happened a year or two ago, a father went to jail, his name's Rob Hoogland, because he spoke out against his daughter's transition, which he was powerless to stop.
The endocrinologist, a man named Brendan Hirsch, sent him a letter saying he could be a friend and advisor to his own 13-year-old daughter, but he couldn't stop her from receiving testosterone.
Now, the only way that law would ever make sense for me is in the case of maybe a Jehovah's Witness who won't allow a blood transfusion, because their child's going to die, and they'll let their child die.
In that case, I'd say, sure, intervene.
But in almost any other circumstance, I don't get it.
tim pool
So the reason I bring this up is, the left's argument is that parents should have final say over what treatments their kids get.
And that if, you know, the child wants to get a sex change surgery or whatever, that the parents and the doctor decide the government shouldn't intervene.
chris elston
But parents don't have the right to abuse their children.
tim pool
This is child abuse.
And I'm not arguing.
I'm saying the left argues this position while simultaneously arguing the government should be allowed to mandate children receive a medical treatment, i.e.
the vaccine.
Conservatives have an inversion.
Conservatives argue the government should stop a parent from trying to give their children a sex change under the argument you just made.
It is abusive.
At the same time, the government should not be able to apply a mandate on a vaccine.
I am not saying one idea is right or wrong.
What I'm saying is there are different views under the very similar parental rights argument.
And of course, we on this side will assert we are actually right and we can break down the logic of that.
But ultimately, when it comes down to explaining the principle of parental rights, you run into a simple question.
When is, where is the moral line for you?
When do you say the parents are abusing their kids and not giving them treatment?
Well, obviously for us, a child sex change is abuse.
No question.
The left doesn't see it that way.
Therefore, the principle of parental rights means nothing.
All that matters is the moral question that we agree upon.
And if that's the case, then I believe this country should be run on what is our collective moral framework and we must defend it.
chris elston
I just want to say one thing.
I use this expression, the left, all the time.
It is the left who are pushing this.
But it's not all the left.
Most leftists agree with us on this.
When I was at Boston Children's Hospital last year, I had a protest there.
There were 200 Antifa people on the other side of the street.
There were about 10 parents standing with me.
Eight or nine of them were lifelong Democrat voters.
Moms.
Who know that they're girls are girls and not boys.
Now the mayor of Boston, Mayor Wu, said that I was a white supremacist on a tour of terror.
They're standing with me, we're a bunch of lifelong Democrats.
The far left has taken hostage the entire left, because if anyone on the left speaks up about any of this, they're then deemed the bigot, they're anti-LGBT, these four letters that paralyze people, they're kicked out of their political parties.
So all the normal leftists, I say normal leftists, I don't agree with many of their ideologies at all, but the The moderate leftists aren't allowed to say anything.
It's really this 10% of the party that's taking the whole party hostage.
tim pool
But look, here I am, banging on the door of the right wing, begging to be called a conservative, but Seamus keeps calling me a liberal!
seamus coughlin
Yeah, this guy's a liberal over here.
tim pool
But Seamus has made the argument on this show, if you are pro-choice, you can't be a conservative.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think that's a weighted issue.
I don't think that you can be a conservative and be pro-choice.
That's such a fundamental issue to the parties.
chris elston
In classical terms, you're a liberal.
The word liberty comes from the Latin libertad, meaning freedom.
But now the left says the word liberty itself is a dog whistle for fascism.
tim pool
That's right!
Not even the classical sense, not even the philosophical sense.
If you look up traditional liberalism or social liberalism in this country, you'll be like, that actually sounds like Tim a whole lot.
This is where Democrats were for a long time.
So these people you're mentioning, they're probably very much in a similar political space to where we on this show are.
Yet they call this show conservative.
They call me a conservative commentator despite the fact that I argue with conservatives all the time, especially on issues like this.
chris elston
Yeah, I'm called the far right, but I'm pretty centrist.
It depends on the issue.
seamus coughlin
Well, I also think it's hilarious that you were referred to as a white supremacist on a tour of terror, because they'll just say anything.
They'll just say anything.
Now, I don't know, I mean, I've seen a bit of your work, but I haven't heard much on racial politics from you.
How can they even claim white supremacists?
Is this just because everything fits under the alphabet soup label, and so if you oppose that stuff, you're a white racist as well?
chris elston
Well, look at my skin.
seamus coughlin
Because you're white, yeah, so that's it.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
ian crossland
Brilliant.
tim pool
You're a supremacist, and you're white, therefore, get it?
chris elston
Yeah, at Portland State, this professor, he's a geology professor, he's an adjunct professor, he came out to counter protest us on his bike, standing right in front of us so I couldn't talk to people, and then he took his shirt off, his sweater off, to reveal that he's been on estrogen.
Now, this guy said that we were white supremacists, and I said, hold on, what makes me a white supremacist?
He said, well, look at you.
I said, well, you're white.
So his explanation ultimately was that transphobia is the tip of the spear of white supremacy.
tim pool
Let me tell you, I was at Occupy Wall Street, and they were trying to figure out what their main goal was going to be, and they're talking about the banks and the corruption, and then in exasperation some guy stands up screaming at the top of his lungs, How do you people not understand?
Fracking is everything!
Just furious fracking!
And I'm just like, Fracking has nothing to do with this president getting elected, but this guy, in his brain, the only thing it could process was fracking.
He thought the president was only elected because big oil companies were investing in those who would allow fracking, and that the reason why climate change is happening is fracking, the reason why there's social disorder is because these big oil companies, that was the center of his universe, it was the only thing he could comprehend.
Very much like this guy, his whole world is trans issues, so any argument is the most paramount problem the world is facing.
chris elston
Yes, these leftists would sooner have us import oil from Saudi Arabia than produce it ourselves.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's what they put it for.
tim pool
How dare you!
seamus coughlin
That's right.
I mean, we can't drill in the United States because when we pull oil out of the ground and burn it, that's bad for the environment, but when we burn oil other people pulled out of the ground, that's good for the environment.
tim pool
Well, how about we just say, when we create completely emission-free energy, Nuclear.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
They also don't want us doing that either.
seamus coughlin
It's almost like they just want to neuter energy independence or something like that.
Like they don't care about our country and want it to fail.
chris elston
Ireland is about to kill 200,000 cows to stop climate change.
seamus coughlin
I heard about this.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's demonic.
seamus coughlin
That's just insane.
Just kill all these animals.
chris elston
Meanwhile, China opens a coal-fired power plant every week.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Have you ever met a cow?
seamus coughlin
Cows are good people.
I've seen some.
I don't know if I've been introduced, but I've seen some cows pretty close.
chris elston
Bill Gates has developed a drug.
He's patented a drug, a pill to give to cows so they'll produce less methane.
seamus coughlin
That's gotta be really good for them.
chris elston
We should google that.
seamus coughlin
That's super healthy.
chris elston
Ultimately, I think we need to go back to something that are called nations.
Because this whole globalist thing isn't really working out.
We need to pull out of the World Health Organization.
We need to pull out of the UN.
We need to pull out of the World Economic Forum and start governing our countries like they're actual countries.
seamus coughlin
Amen.
tim pool
Seaweed-based feed to reduce methane emissions in cows.
seamus coughlin
It's just like, okay, how many levels of scam do you have to be on to be able to sell people pills to make their cows fart less?
tim pool
I got a better idea.
It's unbelievable.
We should make helmets for cows.
They go over their heads, and they have a pipe that goes down right in front of their mouth, but at a good distance away, and their butts.
And there is a fire.
So when they burp, it goes, and now the cows are breathing fire.
seamus coughlin
That would actually be really cool.
Could you imagine you're walking down, you're driving down the road, and you see a bunch of cows, and the cow looks at you and goes, and fires, goes, We just have to find a way to harness the power of that methane.
tim pool
Yeah, so you know what I was saying is we should get a big dome and put it over the cow pasture so all the methane gets sucked up and then we use it to warm our homes.
seamus coughlin
That's a really good idea.
chris elston
Do you think the pendulum's swinging back to him?
tim pool
Absolutely.
I mean, I think the Bud Light effect is the main... Bud Light was the catalyst and now we see the Bud Light effect.
All these companies panicking over potentially getting boycotted.
You know, Netflix lost millions of subscribers.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
It wasn't just Bud Light.
This stuff is happening.
I think...
Look, someone like me, right?
Grew up in Chicago, moderately liberal individual, traditional, socially liberal person.
I see a pride parade, I go, whatever.
I see pride flags and stuff, I'm like, oh, that's cool.
I have friends who wave the pride flag, and I'm like, good for you, I'm glad you're happy, man, congratulations.
I'm fairly liberal in the traditional sense on issues of gay marriage and families and all that stuff, and I've had arguments with conservatives on these issues.
We get along, but we disagree.
Then all of a sudden I start seeing them send books like Genderqueer to kids which have overt sex acts in them from an author who outright says in the book that she has sexually aroused the thought of being a man and then wants children to affirm her as a man.
I'm like, I'm putting two and two together here.
Yeah, they're grooming kids, right?
Now all of a sudden I'm like, hey, can we not do this?
And what happens?
They attack me.
They call me a conservative.
So this is the point where people like me, who are traditionally liberal, are now hanging out with conservatives.
And the simple way to put it is this.
I am beset on both sides by activists.
On the right, there is a man saying, I think abortion is wrong.
Life begins at conception and we should not be killing these babies.
And I say, okay, well there's a lot of challenging questions there around the rights of two individuals now who are sharing one body and how we deal with that, but I hear your argument, right?
Then I look to my left and they say, anyone for any reason at any time should be allowed to abort the baby even if the baby can survive.
And I say, that has no logic and makes literally no sense in any capacity.
If the baby must be delivered from the woman, no matter what, why kill the baby?
The menace argument about, like, what if the baby's stillborn?
Well, it's not an abortion, then, if the baby's already dead.
What if the mother's health is in jeopardy?
I agree.
The baby must be removed.
I'm sorry.
If the baby would survive, abortion, specifically defined by the federal government and Planned Parenthood, is ending the life of that baby.
So what ends up happening is, a person like me who has traditionally been pro-choice says, if the only options you're giving me is, we ban abortion outright, or we allow babies gestated at 9 months to be killed, I'm gonna vote for the guy who's banning abortion.
Cause I'm like, it may not fit my worldview perfectly, but man, that's graphic and psychotic!
And they're doing it in so many states.
Now we come to the question of child sex changes.
Look, you take a look at what's going on in Europe, you take a look at Finland, and you know better than I do, they are shutting this stuff down.
The research isn't backing it up.
And so I say, OK, well, you know, the best assumption I can make is clearly this doesn't make sense.
It's not working.
And you look at desistance rates.
These studies that we've said in the show several times show, what is it, 65 to 95 percent of children desist and live happy normal lives.
chris elston
So there's an important thing about that statistic.
This is based off all the studies up until about 2004, before they started giving kids puberty blockers.
So these studies, and there's about 12 academic ones that have been done, all point to, yeah, over 80% on average, of these kids desisted.
But this is when 1 out of 30,000 were affected.
tim pool
And they'd go through puberty.
chris elston
Yeah, and they'd go through puberty.
Puberty itself was the cure.
Now we're blocking the cure.
But this is real gender dysphoria.
This affected mostly boys, not girls.
Most grew up to be gay.
What we're seeing today?
Totally different.
Mostly adolescent girls.
They're all going to grow up to be fun.
tim pool
So here's my point.
seamus coughlin
Well, not if they carve them up first.
tim pool
Whatever argument the left wants to make.
about their views on these issues.
Something maybe I could potentially agree with.
Let's say they're like, we want to tax the rich.
And I'm like, oh man, you know, I don't know, it's universal health care.
We want to create a public option, and I'm like, there's a lot of questions about that, but I'm not, you know, as polarized on that issue.
And they say, vote for us and we will create universal basic health care.
Won't cover very expensive cancer treatments, but it'll cover your flus, your broken bones.
And I'm going, OK, that sounds pretty good.
And they go, and by the way, we're going to give children sex changes and we're going to abort babies at nine months.
I'll be like, I'm going to go vote for the other guy.
And the other guy says, no health care for anyone, but at least babies will live.
And I'll be like, I got to take what I can get, I guess.
chris elston
Well, what you just said is what's called Obamacare.
Right.
That's exactly what happened under Obamacare.
Then they were mandated to pay for these child sex changes.
And I think that went into effect in 2015.
And surprise, surprise, that's also a year that started skyrocketing.
Now, it's not just Obamacare.
That's the year that Bruce Jenner became Caitlyn Jenner.
unidentified
Yep.
chris elston
I believe it's the year I Am Jazz became a reality show.
That might have started earlier, but that's helped to popularize this.
tim pool
Jazz, how long has it been on TV?
It's like... Maybe it's longer than that.
No, maybe nine or ten years almost.
chris elston
There have been breaks around there.
unidentified
2015.
ian crossland
There you go.
chris elston
2015 is a critical year in all of this.
tim pool
My statement is very simply, when it comes to liberals, look man, I would vote for like a moderate.
You know, I would prefer someone who's moderate for me.
I can understand the arguments coming from conservatives.
We have sane, rational, logical arguments.
I often cite the conversation I had with Glenn Beck on abortion that was, I thought, wonderful and ended with a handshake, smiles, and we'll learn to live together and try and find the best way to build a great America.
And I'm like, this is fantastic.
And it was friendly, and it was great, and I have tremendous respect for him.
And then we have these people on the show, and these leftists, who will say things like, I'm for forced abortion.
Like, nonsensical... Matt Binder said that I don't think trans people exist.
And I said, who are you talking to?
I was like, I absolutely think trans people exist.
What does that mean?
What are you saying?
And they're like, you think they don't exist?
And I'm like, you're just saying words.
That doesn't mean anything.
seamus coughlin
It means nothing.
tim pool
It means literally nothing to me.
I have trans friends.
I think trans people exist.
I want them to have civil rights.
I want them to be protected.
I just think we're talking about kids here.
And it's a different question.
So if my option is that or a conservative guy, at least the conservative guy makes sense.
seamus coughlin
Well, this has happened on the show where I've had this conversation with left-wing guests and I have explained that I do not use the made-up pronouns.
I call somebody reality-based pronouns based on what they are.
They were saying, wait, so like, you don't think trans people exist?
Conservatives don't think trans people exist?
No, I recognize that there are human beings who exist who identify as the opposite sex.
I'm saying that doesn't actually make them the opposite sex.
What is this slogan?
You're debating their right to exist.
unidentified
What?
seamus coughlin
No, I can't stop them from existing with my words.
I can only accurately identify what they are and say I'm not willing to lie.
chris elston
They say this because it silences conversation.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
chris elston
Because it shuts people up.
It's the same reason they say kids are going to kill themselves if you don't let them transition.
But here's the deal.
It's a label, right?
Now an adult can take on whatever label they want.
But the way we should be framing this, especially with kids, is there are children with gender dysphoria.
Or, I would prefer the word sex dysphoria, but whatever.
There are children who are struggling.
These are children in distress.
Half of them are on the autism spectrum.
All these kids have some other mental health comorbidity going on.
They need to be screened for trauma and abuse, because that's very common.
A lot of these girls, and some of the boys too, have been sexually abused.
Some of these kids have come up to me and told me stories.
There's always something else going on, and I don't want anyone to believe me.
I want everyone to go onto Google right now and look up a story by Jamie Reid, an article published by Jamie Reid in the Free Press.
She worked at the Washington University Transgender Clinic, connected to St.
Louis Children's Hospital.
She describes herself as a queer woman who's married to a trans man, and she's politically left of Bernie Sanders.
I didn't know that was possible.
But she filed an affidavit with the Attorney General of Missouri and she wrote this devastating expose where she confirms everything that people like myself have been saying.
tim pool
I just want to point something out.
So recently we got news that Starbucks was taking down the pride decorations.
This came from the Starbucks Workers Union and I posted about it and I had a bunch of leftists tell me that I'm wrong.
That I was hoaxed, that the right is pushing fake news.
And my response was, how did it come to be that the quote-unquote left would side with the corporation's spokesperson over their workers' union?
unidentified
It's wild.
ian crossland
It's probably tribal, like they just had an issue with you.
tim pool
Literally makes no sense.
ian crossland
It's private, it's personal.
tim pool
No, no, no, it's because the idea that they would lose a culture war battle is more important than the fact, and I'm like, You know the thing, me siding with the workers' union is on brand, right?
I'm not a big fan of unions, but of course we often side on the more populist side of things.
The left tends to side on the corporatist side of things.
Yet they're supposed to be the ones that are for the workers.
Clearly just makes no sense.
serge du preez
Yeah, they're the anti-fascists, they'll tell you.
They're not the ones that are pushing the lucrative merger of a state and all the corporations.
ian crossland
For the record on this Starbucks thing, Workers Union said Starbucks is pulling trans stuff, Starbucks corporate said no we're not, and then there's video of specific stores removing this stuff?
tim pool
There's videos of employees complaining that they're being forced to take down pride decorations.
ian crossland
But they're not saying it's by corporate necessarily, it's by middle management?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Oh, they're saying corporate sent an issue?
tim pool
Well, I mean, I don't think anyone gets that specifically.
They're saying, I was told I had to take these things down.
ian crossland
So it might just be select micromanagement?
tim pool
The Workers Union said that across the country they've been instructed, numerous stores have been instructed to remove their stuff.
ian crossland
Oh, and then corporate denied it.
tim pool
And then corporate denied there is no policy to take these things down.
Cool.
I don't believe the corporate spokesperson.
Like, when Deepwater Horizon happened, and the BP's like, we're sorry.
I'm like, yeah, you guys are full of it, right?
I don't believe it.
When Fukushima happened and the Japanese, you know, government, they're saying like, everything's under control.
I'm like, no, you're lying, right?
What makes more sense?
A bunch of workers were told to do a thing.
They filmed videos about it.
They said it's happening.
Probably happening.
But now you have the left on the side of the massive multinational corporation.
It's like, no, no, they never said that.
They're keeping it up.
It's like, okay, whatever, dude.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I kind of wanted to mention this as well.
I mean, the left does back the massive multinational corporations.
We've seen this for a while.
They're not really interested in workers' rights, and that's something that's new in an overt way, but they've always advocated for policies that enrich big business, like illegal immigration, which we know just cuts workers' wages down and also pushes them into the workforce.
tim pool
Bernie Sanders in 2015 was against illegal immigration, and he was the left, and he had all the young progressives screaming as loud as they can for him.
seamus coughlin
But the official democratic establishment.
tim pool
Yeah, but they're neolibs.
They're corporatists.
They've never been, like, actual socialists or left.
When I say left, I'm talking about the actual left, not the neolibs.
seamus coughlin
Well, even most left-wing people, at least I've spoken to through the course of my life, have been very much in favor of illegal immigration and have argued that if you oppose that, you're a bad person who's motivated by a hatred towards brown-skinned people.
tim pool
No, I can agree with that, but also if we're talking about, like, there's also right anarchists and libertarians who are, like, totally fine with illegal immigration, too.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, you have that in the Libertarian Party.
I'm just saying overall, when we talk about left-wing and right-wing people, usually right-wing people are against illegal immigration or believe we need to actually enforce our immigration law.
Left-wing people generally don't believe that, but you're right that it's not entirely partisan.
There have been left-wing people who have been on the other side of that issue.
But my point is, this is certainly not the first or only time we've seen left-wing people come out in favor of the position of corporate America.
chris elston
You know, on illegal immigration, it's interesting.
Let's talk about another country for a minute.
Canada.
We're further left than the United States, for sure.
We have no illegal immigration.
And if we did, people wouldn't like it.
tim pool
You do.
It's not like as massive, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
chris elston
It's miniscule.
tim pool
Yeah, it happens.
chris elston
I guess so.
tim pool
You have people crossing the border illegally to get healthcare.
chris elston
Yeah, there's this place over in Quebec where a few come through, but it's tiny.
But my point is, There's all this outrage from the left in the United States because they say, well, we need to stop.
We shouldn't be stopping this.
We shouldn't have a wall.
We should have millions of people coming in.
Guess what?
As soon as you guys fix this one day and it will get fixed.
That's all going to go away.
There won't be the outrage.
They just want something to be outraged about.
They want something that differentiates them from conservatives.
tim pool
And this is one of those issues.
seamus coughlin
Well, it helps them electorally too, right?
I mean, because they know that if they can fill certain counties or states that are dark blue with many new immigrants, even if they're not citizens, that increases their level of representation.
So they get more electoral votes.
ian crossland
I think it very much is people that are miserable personally are lashing out at the people around them and they're doing it sociologically through stuff.
Like, if you're playing a video game and your guy keeps dying in the game and you're like, DAH!
You're getting angry and then someone walks into the room and tries to talk to you and you snap at them.
Like, that's like what this stupid, like, online, they're the bad guy, they're the bad guy.
Like, look inside of you.
How many drugs are you taking to get through the day?
Like, what's wrong with you that you need to villainize your surroundings and the people around you?
tim pool
No God.
ian crossland
Lack of, like, stability because there's no God in your life.
There's no, like, center point.
Like, if you die, it's okay.
chris elston
That's a hugely important point.
It's a hugely important point because with postmodernism, with the fall of traditional religions, what do you have?
You have a void.
in a guiding belief system for how to behave, what to believe in.
tim pool
Reason.
chris elston
And wherever there's a void, that void gets filled with something.
So postmodernism has taken over this and it's... There's no purpose.
It's gender ideology.
Right.
tim pool
Why are we here?
What is the end goal of anything I do if we just die when it's all over?
chris elston
Yeah.
And the premise of queer theory is there is no morality.
Everything is acceptable.
tim pool
Right.
And they believe that there is no truth but power, which is a fascistic moral framework.
Because constitutional republicanism and classical liberalism, like in the United States, we do not agree with that.
We believe that there is an objective reality that we seek to better understand and work towards.
ian crossland
Yeah, back in the day, if you disagreed with somebody, you would have to fight them.
And I'm talking about a long... I think Andrew Tate was talking about this with Patrick Bette Davis.
Yeah, basically.
And before that, if the tribal leader said something was real and you knew it wasn't, either you kept your mouth shut, or you say you're lying, and then it would become a physical fight to the death.
And whoever wins is the one that gets to speak the truth now.
And then if someone challenges you, you have to fight them.
But we don't have that because power is not truth.
tim pool
We do.
ian crossland
We don't really have that in this society.
You're allowed to disagree with someone without fear of getting attacked or having to fight them.
tim pool
As Norm Macdonald said, I was looking back through history and isn't it crazy?
The good guys won every battle.
chris elston
What are the odds?
ian crossland
That's a big problem.
chris elston
Andrew Tate's an interesting character.
Now, before people attack me online, I obviously don't agree with everything Andrew Tate says or does.
However, he is filling a role.
There are all these boys and young men who feel very emasculated by this society.
And right or wrong in how he does it, and Jordan Peterson as well, so many of these young kids look up to Andrew Tate.
In Ottawa last week, I was at this huge protest that we organized, and this man came up to me.
He told me when he was younger, he's probably in his early 20s now, when he was a teenager, he came to believe he was transgender, that he should be a girl.
He saw a psychologist three times, three appointments, and the psychologist was ready to send him off to get hormones, estrogen.
A friend of him introduced him to Andrew Tate.
unidentified
Wow.
Nice.
chris elston
And he started watching Andrew Tate's videos and he rejected this whole mind virus that had taken over him.
Now he's working out all the time and he credits it to Andrew Tate.
So Andrew Tate saved that guy's life to a great degree.
tim pool
Yeah, and then you've got really interesting questions about why they're going after Andrew Tate and his brother.
He's not been charged, so I understand he still has not been charged.
They're increasing the potential charges in the investigation, but he's currently being put in jail, then he's under house arrest, not charged for any crimes.
Very interesting.
And then you have these women who are, they claim we're victims, actually came out and said, we're not victims, we think he's great.
And then the judge said, no, you're brainwashed.
serge du preez
Yet the anonymous people that have accused him have been totally fine.
They continue to use those anonymous people's references and say that this is totally reason to hold the Tate brothers for as long as I have them.
They're on house arrest, have like the little collars and such.
tim pool
I mean, they should not have chosen Romania.
Yeah.
I gotta tell you, like, it's an awesome country.
Like, I've been there, and it was a really awesome pizza joint.
Had a lot of fun.
Beautiful.
But their legal system is, uh...
Not very good.
ian crossland
He did like a five and a half hour interview with Patrick Bette David on the PBD podcast.
I've watched 40 minutes of it.
It's awesome.
Highly recommend it.
But apparently he just got served, he and Tristan, his brother, just got served with upgraded charges.
chris elston
Andrew said he met with whatever the person's called, district attorney, whatever, and that they rearranged the charges to make them much more minor, but they're still charging him.
tim pool
But has he been charged formally yet?
My understanding was that he was under investigation, but not formally charged.
chris elston
I think he has, but don't quote me on that.
ian crossland
This says, from today, from CNN... Charges of it.
Yeah, served with legal papers by UK lawyers, upgrading the severity of the trafficking charge against him and his brother.
chris elston
Oh, a UK charge.
tim pool
No, I don't think so.
I don't think he's been charged.
ian crossland
Is this the CNN?
Yeah, I don't know if they're haphazard.
tim pool
He's not been charged.
ian crossland
So they're using the word charge haphazardly.
tim pool
The BBC says they're expanding the case and the investigation.
Right?
And I've not seen it.
I could be wrong.
I could be wrong.
But I had not seen any news that they'd actually ever been criminally charged with any crime.
ian crossland
Really a mess.
If they think that you might be guilty for some reason, they're allowed to keep you up to six months in jail.
And they kept him in solitary?
tim pool
That's crazy.
chris elston
I don't know how he did it.
ian crossland
Not the whole time he was in jail.
chris elston
I've been put in jail.
Charged with causing a disturbance for standing and walking peacefully.
I was in there for five hours in a cell on my own.
We're going crazy.
tim pool
Yep.
chris elston
I was pretty relaxed, but my heartbeat was going, and I cannot imagine staying in there for a long period of time.
Because when all you got around you is white walls.
tim pool
And they leave the lights on.
ian crossland
And you can't, he said the weirdest thing was like, if you get a thought, like when did Constantinople fall?
He couldn't, he couldn't figure it out.
He couldn't look it up.
There's no way to like satiate your, your need for answers.
And so you just got to live with the question for like, it, I don't know, he didn't say how long, but it just never goes away.
tim pool
That's how the world used to be, dude.
ian crossland
That's how the world used to be.
You used to at least be able to ask somebody, but like he couldn't even ask somebody.
tim pool
He'd just be stuck there with his own thoughts.
My recommendation to everyone.
I spent a night in jail one time, arrested for skateboarding.
It's a funny story, because when I ended up going to court for it, the judge was so pissed off.
They actually showed up, too.
They tried charging me with a felony, but the cops were like, are you Nazi?
He's skateboarding down the street, are you crazy?
But they were trying to make an example of me because I was skating in downtown Chicago.
So they gave me criminal damage to a state-supported location because I was riding my skateboard down the sidewalk.
And so when I went to court... So I go to jail, and I'll tell you the story quickly and then talk about jail.
I go to jail and I was there for I think it was like 16 hours.
I'm there and I don't even, it's a room, the lights are on, it's a concrete block with a toilet connected to a water faucet and that's it.
chris elston
Yeah.
tim pool
They took all the shoelaces, anything, they took my, I think I had an over shirt like I'm wearing now, and they took my shoelaces off my shoes and so I used my shoe as a pillow and I just laid there.
But, uh, I get out.
I ended up going to court, and, uh, the judge was like, next on the docket, whatever, I can't remember what he said, you know, Timothy Poole, and I stand up, and he was like, you know, so what's going on?
And then the prosecutor standing with the security guys who had filed the complaint said he was skateboarding at this address, and the judge looks down, pulls his glasses, and he's like, he was what?
And they're like, he was skateboarding, your honor, and he goes, Are you joking?
And then he's just like he said I can't remember that's what he said
But he was like get in my courtroom all of you now cases SOL which apparently means like they could bring it back or
whatever But it's like we're gone. This is a waste of my time
And then I was like, can I leave and he was like, I'm sorry, you can go and I was like
But anyway what I learned in that half day in jail
unidentified
Prison time is slow was uh Don't there's nothing you can do
tim pool
So six months, probably substantially harder than just doing a half day.
Don't get me wrong, people have done way worse.
But they have me in this room.
I could hear someone screaming.
The door is just a big metal door with a tiny little window.
It was, the light was on full blast all night.
It's a concrete block.
And so you just have to immediately accept it.
Fighting, thrashing, panicking, freaking out only makes it worse.
You just have to calm, breathe, meditate, and take control of your mind, and then just accept it.
ian crossland
Yeah, Andrew said his life training was paying off, and that you make your body strong so that the outside world doesn't destroy you, and you make your mind strong so that you don't destroy yourself.
And he found the best way to stay positive, because it was just constantly Like what you're talking about having to deal with it is to be nice to the guards and to be nice to the lady that would bring him a meal and he'd make people smile and he said he would make him always make him feel better even the people that like looked at him like they hated him started to like him and there just started to be kind of an uplifting energy in the jail and that was what got him through it.
There's a guy, a Vietnam captive, this captain that went down in Vietnam, his plane went down, he got taken to a Hotel Hanoi where a lot of the prisoners of war were kept in Vietnam and he said everybody was just, it was just misery.
So he would do these smiling exercises with the other prisoners just to like stretch up
and keep their their jaws and their lips, you know in a smile and that it actually would
would improve people's moods that there's something about the physiology with smiling.
I'll notice like I look at like Mitch McConnell, you'll see a lot of like politicians and people
in power with perma frowns like where the creases just go down.
What a miserable way to live and I'll catch myself in the mirror something looking like
that or we'll just be on the show talking about depressing stuff and my lips are like
I can see it on your face.
seamus coughlin
I know I'm doing it.
ian crossland
So you constantly got to like work it.
It's almost like you got to force your body to be happy.
seamus coughlin
No it's well there's actually something to that.
You don't just respond to your emotions physically, your emotions respond to your physical state.
If you improve your posture or take on the pose of somebody who's more confident, you actually start to feel more confident.
If you smile more, you start to feel more happy.
tim pool
They teach you this in fundraising stuff.
Stand with your feet apart, your feet aligned with your shoulders, and keep your hands open, and it boosts your confidence.
ian crossland
I know the hands on the hips.
seamus coughlin
That's why Trump does this.
chris elston
If you're doing a sales call, you're supposed to stand up, not sit down.
tim pool
Yeah, and walk.
And they tell you to stand on the balls of your feet and bounce up and down.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
Yeah, great stuff like that.
Wait, while you're pitching?
While you're doing a sales pitch?
tim pool
When you're pitching a fundraise, a membership to a random person, they want your feet directly.
So you spread your legs.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, I get that.
But they actually want you bouncing while you present.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They want you slightly bouncing and leaning forward.
Wow.
Maybe because it makes you appear taller.
seamus coughlin
Energetic.
tim pool
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Excited about it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
seamus coughlin
You believe in it.
tim pool
But I gotta tell you, I wonder, uh, I know people who have done solitary, like you talk about the January 6th people, two years or whatever, some of these people in total lockdown.
It feels like eternity.
It's like, you know, it's the crazy thing that, uh, about, you know, getting locked up in a room where they never turn the lights out.
You're in a building with no windows, so there's no natural light.
The lights are on 24-7.
You don't know how long it's been, you don't know what time it is.
All you can do is sit there.
You can't, it's hard to get tired when the lights are on full blast.
And so you're just sitting there staring, having no idea what's going on until finally someone comes and opens the door.
And I think this should be, you know, I think...
It should be illegal.
There should be mandated humane treatment if you are presumed innocent in this country.
That's why I'm actually opposed to cash bail.
I think cash bail is problematic.
But I think that in certain circumstances pertaining to a certain amount of crime and the severity of the crime, we should just have remand.
Yeah, I think the reason is because you don't want people to get destroyed by the process, especially when they're innocent.
You should get the internet.
You should get a room.
The room should have a comfortable bed, a refrigerator, a TV, and the internet.
in jail.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think the reason is because you don't want people to get destroyed by the process,
especially when they're innocent.
tim pool
You should get the internet.
You should get a room.
The room should have a comfortable bed, a refrigerator, a TV, and the internet.
You can't leave.
You can go online, depending on your crime, if you're like a financial fraudster or whatever
you're accused of that, we're going to be like, look, we're going to restrict your access
to certain websites or something like that.
But if you're presumed innocent, why would I not be allowed to work?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, I agree with you.
It's very strange, right?
And you understand why it happens just for, you know, flat economic reasons, but to be subject to punishment before you've actually had your day in court and before you've been found guilty of any kind of crime, which you may not have committed, you could actually be totally innocent, is totally unfair.
ian crossland
I think it's one of the magnificent parts of the United States, because I don't think in human history that's really been considered that you would treat a prisoner well.
I mean, they would treat them well, like especially the really rich dukes that they would capture, because they were going to sell them back.
But like, you would give the common man, like, adequacy while they're waiting to be remanded or charged or whatever.
It's pretty fascinating.
tim pool
And some may argue we can't afford it.
There's too many criminals.
And I'm like, well, therein lies the problem of classical liberalism.
chris elston
They just created trillions and trillions of dollars out of thin air.
tim pool
But the idea that we would give everyone who is accused of a crime, who must be remanded, a standard hotel room is substantially more expensive and hard to do.
chris elston
You don't have to do that.
There are parts of the world where prisons are much more humane.
tim pool
Right.
chris elston
And it depends on the crime you commit.
tim pool
Norway.
chris elston
Women's prisons are much more humane.
Because they're not usually in there for violent crime.
tim pool
Well, not even prison, I'm talking about jail.
chris elston
Yeah.
tim pool
Right?
chris elston
Right.
Yeah, jails are worse.
It's actually the first holding facility you go to that's usually the worst.
tim pool
Yeah, I was in a room with just like, it was like a hallway basically with two glass walls on each side.
Glass, you know, walls and doors and they put you in there and you have to stay there for a while and they take all your stuff from you.
But if we're saying someone's innocent until they're proven guilty, How are we then allowed to strip them of their quality of life and punish them before anything has been proven?
chris elston
I'm a capitalist, but privatized prisons?
Total nonsense.
tim pool
Yeah, I completely agree.
chris elston
Shouldn't do it.
All it does is end up abusing these people.
tim pool
I mean, don't get me wrong.
Government-run prisons are bad too.
Yeah.
But we don't want to incentivize the pipeline of prisoners.
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I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, The mere fact that every single evil person on the left and right are uniting to stop Trump, no matter the cost, just shows they fear he will finally put an end to their corruption and expose the traitors for who they are.
I agree.
Yeah, I mean, it's absurd to think that Donald Trump, who would not invoke the Insurrection Act during the Summer of Love, is somehow a fascist dictator.
ian crossland
Yeah, we watched his speech last night, and after it was done, I basically hijacked the talk session that we were going to chat about it, and I started to talk about Nazi propaganda.
I felt like I got twisted to make it look like I was comparing him.
I was just concerned about, when you make political speeches, When people are like talking about really depressing depressing depressing things and at the very end of the speech give a rallying cry.
That was the point I was trying to make.
I think Donald Trump has been an immense opportunity for humanity and it's wake-up call and he's been a big part of this like revolution of consciousness.
I have a lot of respect for what he's done.
I got issues with his personality from time to time as anyone would but mad respect for the human being.
tim pool
I'm downloading it.
ian crossland
I'm looking forward to talking to you, dude.
tim pool
Because it went up, I think.
ian crossland
Yeah, I downloaded it, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
People are saying it works great.
All right.
Jesus Believer says, Tim and company, if you haven't read the blueprint by Schaefer and Witwer, you need to.
It breaks down the blueprint the left has been using to flip states blue.
unidentified
Well, all right.
tim pool
Hunter Killer says, the Kenyan president says Africa is going to use Afraxim Bank for trade instead of US dollars.
America is going to crash hard.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
And this is the question, right?
The reason why they want to make sure that Trump doesn't get elected is because Trump wants to actually uphold the desires of the American people that not have international conflict and war.
But the reason, one of the reasons they want international war and conflict is to force the use of the US dollar.
serge du preez
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
I was just, I mean, I was going to make a cynical joke there about like, I don't know if the dollar is going to crash if we're just going to go to war with those people or both.
Find some reason our freedom's over there.
ian crossland
If the pendulum was swinging back, I think you asked us earlier on the show, I feel like the pendulum is national supremacy, and for the last 80 years it's been this American liberal economic order that's controlled the world, and now the internet has caused this backlash, and now the pendulum's like, maybe nationalist superiority isn't the way, but as the pendulum is swinging back, it's not on a flat plane, it's not left and right, it's being pushed towards you, but People are trying to push it to the left as it's going back, and other people are trying to push it to the right.
So how is the pendulum going to swing back?
Is it going to be someone like Donald Trump that upends the liberal economic order?
Is it going to be something like a communist revolution inside of the country?
Is it going to be a technocratic revolution?
Will there even be a revolution?
Will it end up being a new form of American military supremacy that's in the other direction?
I wonder, but I think inevitably it is swinging back in that people do not like American military bases all over Earth pretending to be like Global Police or functioning, trying to work as Global Police.
When you can see the writing is on the wall, most of the world is not happy with the American dollar being force-fed to it.
chris elston
Yeah, however, I'm going to push back on that a bit.
I've got a financial background for 18 years.
The entire world depends on the U.S.
dollar being strong.
unidentified
Right.
chris elston
Or else the entire world fails as well.
serge du preez
That's the thing.
chris elston
We all go up and down together.
serge du preez
That's the thing about this Afrex and bank thing is it's not really it's not really supported by a lot of things.
You have to just convince a lot of people, especially in Africa, to just suddenly say, oh, we're not going to use our maybe not our currency is a good idea because of places like Zimbabwe, et cetera.
But I don't it's not backed by anything.
There's no major superpower backing that like there is with the U.S.
dollar.
There's no there's no major economy backing that like there's the U.S.
unidentified
dollar.
serge du preez
I don't think it's going to just go over just like that.
chris elston
Yeah.
When I got into the financial business back in 2001, U.S.
debt was, I don't know, two, three trillion, something like that.
Now it's over 30.
unidentified
That's crazy.
chris elston
And for the longest time they were able to get away with this because interest rates were so low.
So your debt burden, your interest cost was very small.
Now with interest rates of 5% on $30 trillion, that's $1.5 trillion a year.
serge du preez
What are you going to do?
chris elston
You're getting pretty close to the entire GDP of the country.
And as we saw in I think 2008, It was in Europe.
We had Greece.
We had Portugal.
We had Iceland.
We had Ireland.
serge du preez
Right.
chris elston
All about the default.
So they brought in these extreme austerity measures.
Now they have huge taxes.
They have consumption taxes.
We have a goods and service tax in Canada.
It's called GST, 7% on everything.
serge du preez
Same in Singapore.
chris elston
There's nothing like that in the United States.
There's still taxation ability in the US, but you guys can't tax your ability out of this debt anymore.
So it's simply a matter of time until there's some sort of default.
tim pool
Yep, and it's gonna be bad.
ian crossland
What would that look like?
chris elston
Well, you know, a lot of the U.S.
debt is actually owed to the Federal Reserve.
So it's like they took money from their left pocket and gave it to the right pocket.
I don't know.
Like, can you cancel some of that without having total and utter disaster?
ian crossland
Of the $30 trillion, the Federal Reserve thinks we're going to give it back.
We just give zero of it back.
We say, yeah, we're going to keep our money.
Thanks.
chris elston
Have you ever seen... They just can't keep going like this.
It's just going to keep going higher and higher.
tim pool
Have you ever seen the Three Stooges?
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Where they have the $20 bill?
And it's like, you owe me $20.
And he's like, well, you owe me $20.
And it's like, OK, here you go.
But what's the bucks you owe me?
So then he's like, OK, now we're all even.
And he puts the money back.
Like, well, there you go.
You just do it that way.
chris elston
But the whole financial system is extraordinarily fragile.
The whole thing can come crashing down.
Way more fragile than we almost saw in 2009.
tim pool
Raybert G. Standbert Jr.
says, just downloaded the app and it looks clean.
Lot of time for bug fixing I suppose.
Also, have you seen the new Tate interview?
He's quite the wordsmith.
I have not, but I heard that it is up.
ian crossland
Yeah, Patrick Bette David and Adam Sosnick went to Romania and sat down at Andrew's house with him.
tim pool
That's amazing.
ian crossland
Five and a half hours.
serge du preez
He was also on Rumble today.
ian crossland
Ten million views.
serge du preez
He was on Rumble today as well.
I saw it, but I didn't watch it.
ian crossland
Andrew was on Rumble today?
serge du preez
Yeah, he went live.
It was a lot of people that were watching on Rumble.
tim pool
The Valuetainment guys are awesome, by the way.
Shout out to the Valuetainment and Patrick Bette David.
Good dudes.
They're doing really awesome stuff down in Florida.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's the PBD podcast, Andrew Tate.
You'll find it on YouTube.
tim pool
Super cool.
unidentified
Yep.
All right.
tim pool
What do we got?
Ryan Fontanez says, My wife works as a production employee, Target in Indiana, and they had a meeting about the employees being accepting to other ideas.
Boycott working.
unidentified
Wow.
serge du preez
Target.
tim pool
Very interesting.
serge du preez
There it is.
tim pool
SuperBrev says, let me know if y'all would be interested in having an ex-Fannie Mae executive during the 2000s economic crisis on.
He's also an expert in economics, federal banking, and Christianity.
Uh, yeah, that sounds amazing, actually.
unidentified
Hmm.
serge du preez
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's wild.
Absolutely.
tim pool
So, yes.
chris elston
Kidding me?
tim pool
But you didn't include a name.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Name them.
tim pool
Yeah.
Name them, and then we'll invite them on.
What are we at?
Legama Thagean says, Rittenhouse and Penny are both heroes who have taught us the exact same thing.
Get it on tape.
All of our physical persons are now civil war battlefields of the woke cult who seek to erode our basic rights and assert their anarcho-tyrannical power over our entire lives.
chris elston
You know, Tim, if I may interrupt for one second, what do we do about all these lying media companies who just lie without any consequence?
unidentified
Sue them.
tim pool
When you can.
But they're clever.
They know how to bypass the rules.
chris elston
But they're the source of so many of the problems in society.
There'd be no transgender craze affecting children if not for the media.
tim pool
I mean, it's not just that.
Trump would not have been impeached if the media wasn't lying.
I mean, even right now, you had the story where Target faced bomb threats, and almost all of the corporate news outlets framed it as though it was the right doing it, when it was a left-winger threatening them for pulling Pride merchandise.
And so they obfuscate these facts to lie, cheat, and steal.
I mean, look, they're losing, their ratings are collapsing.
It's absolutely incredible how CNN, Jake Tapper is like, don't show any more of this Trump stuff, he's lying.
And it's just like, you are so ideologically captured, you can't even show the frontrunner for the GOP.
You are so ideologically captured, you cannot show a former president give a speech after a historical indictment?
CNN's not going to exist in a little while.
They can't even talk about the news!
Sooner or later, it's going to be like two left-wing activists talking about how great each other are.
It's going to be two left-wing activists, and they're going to be like, you're very smart.
No, you are.
unidentified
You're also very smart.
tim pool
That's it.
ian crossland
You're better.
tim pool
Because they're going to be like, well, if we do talk about what Trump is doing, people are going to get mad, so let's not do that.
Let's just talk about how great Seamus is.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, let's do that.
I'm totally fine with that.
unidentified
He's tall.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
chris elston
Good looking.
unidentified
Thank you.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh, you guys.
chris elston
And I'm super straight.
tim pool
All right.
Andrew Rowland said, someone make a Batman comic where Batman beats up the Joker and Gotham City tries to make Joker look like the victim.
He wants to bring smiles to Gotham.
And so police are forced to chase Batman and arrest him.
I strongly recommend, Andrew, that you read or watch any of the Justice League.
Uh, cause they've done the stuff.
I don't know about Batman and Joker specifically, but um...
There's a, I posted a clip from Justice League Unlimited recently, where, and this actually, it makes, it's perfect context, because this is actually what the story was.
Lex Luthor claims to be reformed, and he wants to run for president.
He claims he's built Lexar City to help underprivileged people, and deep beneath this park where there are children, there's a machine with a timer going off.
Superman panics, fights Shazam, aka Captain Marvel, busts through the ground and destroys the machine, He was set up, made to look bad, when he was trying to stop what he thought was a supervillain planning to set off a bomb or some kind of device.
And, you know, he doesn't get chased by the cops or anything, but he gets framed.
He gets made out to be the bad guy.
The bad guys... Like, it's not the same story, but the general idea is, you know, they're gonna make you out to be the bad guy when you're trying to do good.
Anyway, I posted this clip because...
Captain Marvel, at the time he was called Captain Marvel, now they call him Shazam.
He's like, I'm quitting the Justice League.
And then Superman goes, he's right.
And then Batman goes, they set you up, Clark.
And then Superman goes, what does it matter?
If it, they.
And then Batman goes, they.
And then it plays ominous music.
And I'm like, the context around that clip is very different 18 years later.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Has it really been 18 years?
I can't believe it's been that long.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
They.
Now, if you were to say something like that, you'd be accused of being a bigot and anti-Semite and all this other crazy stuff, but it was just like a kids' show at the time.
But there's a bunch of stuff like that in comics, where they ask these questions and entertain these ideas, and they're great.
I'm sure people who are fans of DC Comics... I mean, after... What is it?
How long has Batman been around?
70 years or something?
seamus coughlin
I think since the 30s.
They're 100 years!
I think he's 90 years old at this point.
Wow!
tim pool
Alright, let's read more.
What do we got?
Really now?
seamus coughlin
1939, yeah.
tim pool
1939, wow.
Sorry this will be harsh towards Ian.
For those of us who have been to war, seen it firsthand, this is also the SD argument you have presented when you say that you don't know the details you are arguing to argue.
The best skill is listening.
ian crossland
No idea what they're referring to. This is the ultimate skill. I don't know what S.D. is though.
tim pool
D. Claw says, Tim and Cast, it was Prop 47 in CA that raised the felony for retail theft up to a
thousand dollars. It was voted on and approved in 2014.
Only during COVID did people finally see the effects of it, in my opinion. Ah, interesting. It
serge du preez
was supposed to be like a thing to stop people being incarcerated for like minor
crimes and then it became this massive problem that people still try and say, oh, it's not
true. But like I've been in LA, I've seen it happen in front of my eyes many times.
tim pool
This is what I'm talking about.
seamus coughlin
Also, $900?
Like, come on.
tim pool
I think law is mostly meaningless.
Mostly.
Like, what the problem is is no shared moral framework.
serge du preez
True.
tim pool
The fact that someone is willing to steal shows that they don't care about you as a member of their community, and they don't care about the morals of society.
It should be... What did Ron Paul... It was Ron Paul who said, I think, it should be legal but unthinkable.
I'm talking about abortion.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
I disagree with him there.
It should be illegal and unthinkable.
But on this question of people stealing things, part of the issue here as well is not just the fact that there's no longer law and order.
Massive, massive part of the issue.
I agree.
I'll also say that What's happened is because we have moved away from ma and pa shops to just these massive corporate conglomerates setting up their stores everywhere, people don't feel a sense of brand loyalty and they actually don't understand that they're stealing when they're stealing to some extent because they think this is a massive brand that can afford the loss when that isn't necessarily true for a lot of these brands.
The profit margin is razor thin.
But because they're less relatable as a massive brand, it's more difficult for people to see that.
ian crossland
I think the employees also, and middle management, tend to hate the corporations that they work at.
If they work at, like, I'm not going to call any out right now, but, you know, in the retail industry and stuff, people don't really tend to love the corporation they work for if they're there.
They're there for a paycheck.
So if it's getting robbed, it's like, I'd be happy to turn that another out.
chris elston
Cities also take humanity away from people.
They're kind of unnatural.
ian crossland
Yeah.
chris elston
We're supposed to know our neighbor.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, you know, I was giving a tour of the grounds to a friend and there's fruit everywhere.
We got mulberries.
Too many mulberries.
I can't eat them.
I'm allergic.
We've got black cherries everywhere.
They're not ripe yet.
The black raspberries are now ripe and I've been eating a ton of them.
We have Allegheny blackberry.
We have I just found this, what is it called?
Greenbrier?
I think it might be called.
There's berries.
They're not ripe yet either.
I've never heard of them.
I don't know if you can eat them.
Apparently you can.
I don't know.
But there's grapes everywhere.
Grapevine is taking over everything!
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
And then I was asked by my friend, did you plant all of this?
And I'm like, no.
This is just how the world is.
There is food growing, but you live in these concrete blocks, you don't see it.
unidentified
You know?
chris elston
And one thing we haven't touched on.
Pharmaceuticals are destroying the country.
unidentified
I agree.
chris elston
So many of these people are on SSRIs.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
chris elston
Whatever.
And it's just destroying.
ian crossland
Opiates, man.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got Jaded Soul.
He says, Cenk Uygur was on density.
Was he on density?
serge du preez
Destiny.
tim pool
I'm assuming it was destiny.
serge du preez
It was destiny a little while ago.
tim pool
Cenk said, if Rittenhouse was hit by a skateboard, he likely wouldn't die.
And that didn't justify using a firearm.
What an idiot.
seamus coughlin
I mean, Cenk has said some questionable things, some pretty unintelligent things, but that is unbelievable.
Did he really say that?
tim pool
I have known Cenk for a very long time.
I do not believe he actually believes these things.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, because that's an insane thing to say.
The idea that when you have a firearm and someone else knows you have a firearm and they hit you in the head with a skateboard, you shouldn't defend yourself with that weapon.
You're going to lose control of it.
And this maniac who's going around hitting people with skateboards is going to take your gun and then he'll have that.
chris elston
Yeah, you'd be charged for shooting him in Canada, even if he came into your house and did that.
seamus coughlin
That's insane.
ian crossland
In every province in Canada?
chris elston
Yeah, if someone breaks into my house and I happen to have a handgun, which you can't buy anymore, they're illegal to buy or import or transfer.
I would have to actually be about to die before I could defend myself, otherwise I'd end up getting charged.
tim pool
That's like the Soviet Union, that's how it was.
serge du preez
Totally.
That's what it's like in South Africa.
tim pool
You know there's a town in America that's actually technically in Canada, but I think it was due to like a map drawing error between the two countries.
The only way to get there is by ferry.
serge du preez
Oh, this is in Washington.
chris elston
Not in Washington, Michigan.
It's 10 minutes from my house.
ian crossland
It's in Michigan?
tim pool
Oh, really?
chris elston
Well, there's a place like that.
serge du preez
There's a couple.
chris elston
From Washington State, you have to take a ferry.
serge du preez
Yeah.
chris elston
Or you can drive through Canada for a little bit.
tim pool
Right.
You drive through Canada, and then there's like a post where you walk in.
There's no one there.
You pick up a phone, and you call, and you're like, hey, I'm just letting you know I'm an American coming in.
They're like, okay, now I'm leaving.
ian crossland
Point Roberts, Washington.
chris elston
Yeah, it's Point Roberts.
serge du preez
Point Roberts.
chris elston
They do have a border crossing now.
I used to go golfing there once in a while.
But it's a very small border crossing.
seamus coughlin
Dude, when we... So when I was... Oh, sorry.
Oh, no, no, you go ahead.
You go ahead.
chris elston
Yeah, some of the NHL players, like the Russian players who played for the Vancouver Canucks, they'd go live in Point Roberts because it was so close to Vancouver, but they had a lower tax rate because it was Washington State.
unidentified
Wow.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
I remember when I was a kid, uh, I was going to Canada with my dad and my brothers, and when we were, like, going across the border, it was just a trip my dad was taking my brothers and I on, and they were asking him all these questions.
Was the mother okay?
Will you take them?
He's like, my wife?
Yeah, she's fine.
They're like, do you have any written consent from her to bring them to Canada?
He's like, I could literally just write a note right now and give it to you.
Why are you doing this?
And the guy's like, step out of the car.
And they started asking us questions like, do your parents ever fight?
It was like, oh my goodness.
tim pool
When I went to Canada the first time, the Canadian immigration guy said, give me your phone.
And I was like, okay.
And he's like, unlock it.
And I was like, sure.
And then he started going through everything.
And then he was like, close it and gave it back to me.
I was like, I don't care.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I drew it through and they looked in the back seat and then waved at me and I just kept going.
tim pool
Well, so I have several phones, and so it's like the phone that I use on a day-to-day basis is not like my personal stuff with my bank or my DMs or anything, it's just got like basic apps, like Twitter or whatever, so he like opens Twitter and he's scrolling through and he's like, I don't know, whatever.
seamus coughlin
He's like, these are some pretty good hot takes, sir.
tim pool
He's like, you're actually pretty based, here you go.
ian crossland
He doesn't say white supremacy on it.
unidentified
They didn't have the word based back then.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab another super chat.
TN says, Tim, you have the conclusion that the end result is the destruction of cities.
That is a side effect.
The end is to destroy retail markets.
Those that enacted the lockdowns will make billions on Amazon et al.
What's it say?
ian crossland
Cummering?
serge du preez
Cornering.
tim pool
Cornering.
Sorry.
Yeah, it looks like... Cornering the online retail market.
No, I don't disagree completely.
But I wonder if the end result is literally just part of the Malthusian climate cult people.
serge du preez
I think so.
tim pool
They want less people.
They want you to eat bugs.
And they want you to live in pods.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
I think that's going to help.
tim pool
I think like... Now, one question.
Would you live in the pod, hear me out, if the pod could fly around?
seamus coughlin
Now, now, now hold on.
I would drive around in the pod.
It feels more like a flying car than a house, but how big is the pod?
We talking like an RV type thing, like van life, but it can fly?
Or are we talking, it's like a coffin.
tim pool
No, not a coffin.
Like, the pod is gonna be relatively small, like a car.
seamus coughlin
So you can't stand up in the pod?
tim pool
Car-sized pod.
So like, the driver's seats fold down into a bed, but it flies.
seamus coughlin
See, the flying thing is super cool, but no, there's just no way.
ian crossland
If you could stand up in the pod and it had a shower and a toilet and a...
tim pool
How would something like that fly?
ian crossland
Would you fly around on that?
seamus coughlin
Basically we're talking about a private plane that's an RV.
ian crossland
That's what they want you in.
tim pool
Would you live in a private plane?
seamus coughlin
That's what they want me in.
ian crossland
They want everyone in private planes.
unidentified
They're trying to put us in private jets.
tim pool
Everyone's gotta live in a blimp.
seamus coughlin
No, this is starting to sound like a very cool steampunk novel.
ian crossland
I think that using vacuum density to fly is untapped.
When they realize that vacuums are lighter than air, we'll be flying around in vacuum cars.
tim pool
You know what we should do?
We should get like a hundred blimps and then build a platform across all of them so you can walk around on top of the blimps and have a floating city.
ian crossland
And you make each blimp very small, like a little sphere, so if one of them gets broken, all the other sphere vacuums will be keeping the system afloat.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think we just solved climate change.
seamus coughlin
I think we can't afford not to do it.
tim pool
Right.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
Remember when we were talking about this, they were going to build a private city?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, years ago, a bunch of libertarians were sharing this.
I don't know if it was a libertarian who came up with it, but probably.
It was just a massive floating city that would be in international water, so you would never have to pay taxes.
tim pool
you just be a citizen. But they could also do crazy research and development without any laws or regulations.
Oh, that's horrifying. It sounds a bit like uh,
seamus coughlin
Bioshock. Like China? Right. No, Bioshock.
ian crossland
Yeah, and then the city can go underwater. Yeah, dude, that game was great.
tim pool
They really did not have a good view of objectivists, but you know, the game was still great. I thought it was fun.
What's this?
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We ran all the tests, and we've had tests running for months, and everything was working perfectly, so.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was asked to log in to watch something, and then I had to go to the website to log in.
tim pool
To sign up, I know it goes to the website.
But I don't know.
We're working on it.
Send any issues you may have to members at TimCast.com.
I mean, we just decided to put it up because it works, and you can watch stuff, and we'll get it figured out.
Plus, we have, you may have noticed at the beginning of this episode, the advertisement for Game of Money, which is coming out next week on the 20th at 6pm.
And Ben Stewart is going to be doing a live commentary in our members-only Discord for the first watching.
So if you want to watch it with him, and you can ask him questions and he can answer them, Really excited.
It's a documentary breaking down all this financial stuff.
So, uh, particularly relevant right now.
Pertinent to what's going on in the world.
I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says the long march through institutions.
It starts with the elite universities and it spreads to future leaders and intel agencies, social media, news, etc.
serge du preez
Yeah, I think it's both.
I think people that are these hardline socialists, Marxists, etc., are just seeing an opportunity to use the useful idiots to try and further their own goals.
Not necessarily that it's born of Marxism.
I think it's just a convenient time for them.
tim pool
You see, this super chat actually made my point.
Hanzo says, Tim, the right are not cowards.
Pause.
I think they are.
They've been conditioned for decades to not protest, rally, or speak.
The right are victims of this conditioning, too.
Instead of bashing the right for being cowards, empathize with them and decondition them.
I specifically said that calling someone a coward is not my intent to be derogatory insulting, but people take it that way because it is a negative thing to be.
So if I say, a coward is a person who, when facing fear, refuses to act.
And courage and bravery is, when facing your fears, you decide to act regardless.
That is not to say I am insulting someone for choosing one or the other.
It is just to say that someone is or someone is not.
If the right, many of the people on the right, facing these problems, choose not to act out of fear for what may happen to them, that is the literal definition of cowardice.
And I am not saying that to insult anybody.
There's just no other way to describe it. 100%.
ian crossland
There are, though, situations where you would not act out of fear and not cowardice.
Like, if there's a flaming pit to your right, you're afraid of it, you don't want to dive in, but that doesn't make you a coward because you don't need to go into the pit.
If you need to, then you're a coward for not doing it.
tim pool
That's exactly what my point was.
chris elston
But we're not talking about bullets and fire.
We're talking about exercising your freedom of speech because...
tim pool
Well, we're talking about your job.
chris elston
Okay.
tim pool
Your livelihood.
Yeah.
Your friends, your family, social ramifications.
chris elston
Like you can't get another job?
tim pool
I look, I agree, but I understand that people will be scared of these things.
chris elston
I get it.
tim pool
But the point is, facing your fears is not about arbitrarily facing your fears.
Like, you know, if there's like a hornet's nest in front of me,
I'm not gonna be like, well, I'm gonna be brave today and punch that thing.
That makes literally no sense.
That's just stupidity.
seamus coughlin
You should do it.
That'd be base.
tim pool
Now, if there was a hornet's nest that had fallen, and a friend of mine had fallen off their bike, and the hornets were zooming past them, and then I'm like, I gotta do something about this, but I'm terrified of those hornets, I'm not gonna let something bad happen to my friend and I start running full speed to try and help them up.
That is bravery.
If I went, oh they're gonna get stung and it's gonna be really bad but I'm too scared so I better run away too, that's cowardice.
I'm not insulting someone by saying you're being a coward.
Right?
Not trying to insult someone, I'm trying to just state a fact.
Refusal to act in the face of necessity.
chris elston
We've had good times for a long time.
And good times create weak men.
seamus coughlin
It's true.
tim pool
Did you guys see that streamer had her car set on fire?
unidentified
No.
What?
tim pool
Yeah, some Twitch streamer, some guy, she went to her house and set her car on fire.
serge du preez
Was this?
No.
Was this Pokimane a while ago?
tim pool
No, no, this literally just happened.
This story's like from this morning or whatever.
serge du preez
Oh, okay.
I didn't see it then.
ian crossland
A Twitch streamer?
tim pool
Yeah, some stalker guy.
It's like, I understand why people would be scared, and I understand why when watching something like that or seeing us get swatted so many times, people would say, I am choosing not to act.
But I think the literal definition of bravery is, when you must and you are scared, you do, and cowardice is, when you must and you are scared, you don't.
ian crossland
I suppose I wonder if these people just don't feel like they must speak up.
They're like, it's not a risk.
My friend's not about to get stung, so why?
And so they don't, to them, they're not, yeah.
unidentified
Perhaps.
chris elston
My pet peeve in doing what I do has been all the people online telling others that you can't do what I do because you'll get rape threats.
Because people will say mean things to you.
tim pool
You've been physically assaulted numerous times.
chris elston
Probably 40.
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Wow.
chris elston
I've had my arm broken.
But, you know, you don't have to do what I do.
You don't have to go out at 7 p.m.
on Montreal Street like I did when I got my arm broken by Antifa.
There's all sorts of ways to exercise your freedom of speech.
In the United States, you can walk right into a state capitol through the metal detector and stand in the rotunda of the state capitol holding your signs.
You can't do that in Canada.
In fact, if I go outside the legislature in British Columbia, even if I'm near there with my signs, they won't let me into the restaurant.
For a few hours after you have to have a cool down time.
tim pool
All right, we'll grab one more here.
CLJ says, solitary confinement is one of the worst punishments you can inflict on a person.
Had to do 48 hours as part of probation.
I was in the cell by myself the whole time.
Felt like a week.
Yup, especially when they don't turn the lights off.
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chris elston
Yeah, follow me on...
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tim pool
Right on.
seamus coughlin
I make cartoons on a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
If you guys want to check those out, you can find me on YouTube, just at Freedom Tunes, or you can go to freedomtunes.com.
We're going to be releasing a cartoon tomorrow about Trump's trial that I think y'all are going to really enjoy.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
Guys, find me at iancrossland on the internet, anywhere.
I'll be out of town for a few days coming up, so I will catch everybody next week.
Good to see you, Chris.
chris elston
Thanks, buddy.
serge du preez
And I am Serge.com.
Good show.
Pleasure meeting you.
chris elston
You too.
tim pool
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