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unidentified
So I saw this story.
tim pool
The Dallas Express.
I'm not sure what this is, but they say Dallas mandates trans pronoun use.
An internal City of Dallas Gender Transition Toolkit requires all public employees to use a transitioning person's preferred pronouns regardless of personal beliefs.
The document obtained by the Dallas Express via an open records request lays out the protocols and procedures adopted by the city to support an inclusive and productive workplace environment.
Okay, I'm not super interested in going into the nitty-gritty details of their protocols for the public, but this is something we've seen in quite a few places, so I thought it'd be interesting to break down.
The government-mandated use of pronouns, I think, is funny because Jordan Peterson warned us about this.
And now we're here!
josie glabach
It's compelled speech.
tim pool
I mean, for him, they were threatening, like, arrest.
ian crossland
Yeah, Bill C-16.
That's what the one was in Canada.
Compelled speech laws.
Don't float in the United States.
josie glabach
Yeah, his was arrest.
He had to, like, forced, he had to go to classes, sensitivity training, stuff like that that they were threatening him with.
And he's like, oh, hell no.
And he literally, I think he said something like, like, I will die before I will do this.
tim pool
But then there was a guy who actually got arrested because of it.
Do you remember that?
josie glabach
In Canada?
tim pool
The thing about making me use someone's pronouns is what if I never want to use a pronoun anyway?
You can't make me call someone a word.
ian crossland
Making me use someone's pronouns is what if I never want to use a pronoun anyway?
Well, you can't make me call someone a word if I'll use like bro, dude
Buddy that kind of crap you Lurf!
Yeah, I'll call you a lurf.
I'll never use a pronoun.
So what's being compelled here, actually?
Are you just telling me I'm not allowed to call you a certain word?
Because that's different.
And I am allowed to call you a certain word if I want to.
I might get fired, you know?
tim pool
But this is the weird thing.
They're saying you are mandated to use someone's preferred pronoun.
ian crossland
That doesn't make sense.
josie glabach
Why do you use their pronouns when you're talking to them?
Just use their name.
sara higdon
Yeah, that's exactly.
josie glabach
You know, like that's the way through it.
Just use their name.
tim pool
But this is where it gets weird.
What they're basically saying is, in external conversations where this person is not involved, you have to use their pronouns.
sara higdon
So who's actually getting triggered by this?
It's not the person that's being talked about.
It's the person that, like, so if you're talking to somebody and you misgender the other person that you're talking about that's not there, It's the other person that's, you know, in jail.
Are they going to nark?
unidentified
You're fired!
sara higdon
Are they going to nark?
Are you going to nark at me for saying the wrong pronouns?
tim pool
You know, I think, I think the answer to a lot of this stuff is embracing it and accelerating it.
Break it.
Yeah, totally.
serge du preez
Acceleration.
tim pool
It's like, it's, you know, you see, yeah, it's, it's make your pronouns whatever you feel like.
And here's what I would do.
I would get a couple of my buddies eating these maple nuts that, you know, now I've got nuts in my mouth.
They're so delicious.
I have nuts in my mouth.
josie glabach
That's getting crushed.
tim pool
After show's fucking hot.
It's like that guy, Slap Chop, watch this, you're gonna love my nuts.
sara higdon
It is June.
unidentified
Happy Pride Month.
tim pool
What was I talking about?
josie glabach
Tim's gay now.
tim pool
I would get a couple of my buddies and I'd say, here's what I would do.
I will try a somewhat weird pronoun.
You try a very weird pronoun, and you try the most ridiculous bullshit you can think of.
And then we'll see where their line is.
And so, you know, I'll say, my pronoun is... GlobGlob.
GlobGlobGlobSelf.
Don't forget it.
And then they might be like, okay, you gotta use it.
And then someone else can do a more ridiculous one.
Glabababo.
Glabababa self.
Glabababos.
And then the third person can say, my pronouns are Lord Valsiferon, Herald of the Winter Mists, and Lord Valsiferon, Herald of the Winter Mists self.
Don't forget it.
ian crossland
My pronouns, him, but with sort of a Y.
Don't fuck it up!
josie glabach
So the line that the people draw on this, or the activists draw on this, is there's that man that was running for Congress or something as a woman, and it was very clear what he was doing, but he used their platform, and he's like, no, he's like, I'm experimenting, and I realize I can go right back to what I was before, because gender is fluid, you know, and he's like, and I'm questioning, and he was using like all their terms, and they're like, you're making fun of us, and like, they were so mad about it, and that's their line.
tim pool
Here's what happens.
Your workplace says you have to use someone's pronouns.
Well, clearly that means only when they're not there because pronouns are used to reference a person who's not there.
ian crossland
Or if we're talking about someone right in front of them.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
He was just saying, you know.
tim pool
Yeah, which is possible.
josie glabach
Which is possible.
tim pool
People accept it because it is a minor change, which doesn't push them beyond their reasonable boundaries.
josie glabach
And it feels like respect.
tim pool
Push them beyond their reasonable boundaries.
Say, my pronoun is Lord and King.
And then they'll say, well, John was over here and Lord was saying that he wanted a giraffe or king.
And if they refuse to do it, the average person in the workplace is gonna be like, fuck you, I'm not saying that's ridiculous.
Say, your majesty.
Say, I must be referred to as your highness, your majesty, and my liege.
And if they say no, you can say, those are my pronouns.
You don't.
josie glabach
I'll take it and go to HR.
tim pool
Yep, we'll take it to HR.
And it's, no, no, my liege, it's not M-Y-L-I-E-G-E, it's my liege, it's M-I-L-E-E-J.
It's a word, trust me, just say my liege now, to me!
josie glabach
Because nothing is absolute with this.
tim pool
And the proper way to speak my pronoun is on one knee.
Otherwise, you're not conveying the idea properly.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the only way your body can make the tone.
unidentified
Language is not just about... I need you bowing to make the tone.
tim pool
Well, my name is a combination, my pronoun is a combination of sign language and spoken language, because I want to be inclusive to everybody, even those who are signing.
So, in order to perform my name properly, my pronoun, you get on one knee and say, my leash.
Do it.
Regular people will say, no, you've pushed me too far.
And that will break the system.
ian crossland
How do you handle the pronoun stuff, Sarah?
sara higdon
I don't worry about what people say.
One, I don't give words power over me.
That's what they're doing, is they're giving what other people say power over them.
But it is.
The whole thing is people ask me what should they call me if they want to respect me, but they can't use my pronouns for religious reasons or whatever.
I just say use my name, exactly what Josie said earlier.
Other than that, I don't really care what you call me.
You can call me a dipshit for all you care.
I'm not gonna take you seriously, but it's the freedom of speech and freedom of association, you know, the whole thing.
tim pool
Dude, people on Twitter call me all sorts of names all the time.
sara higdon
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
It's just the weirdest bullshit.
It's like, you're saying, I have to use your pronoun of Z-Zer, but you can call me Fuckwad all the- No, no, you're not- I'll use your pronouns, you're not allowed to call me Fuckwad.
Deal?
josie glabach
You know what I do when I have somebody attack me and they have their pronouns right in their name?
I'm like, well that's not the way it works, she-her.
sara higdon
Yeah.
josie glabach
It's not the way this goes, he-him.
sara higdon
I think I've used that before too.
josie glabach
I'm literally just gonna use your pronouns and I'm gonna use them together as your name if that's...
ian crossland
Do you get pissed if people call you heat, like he was just saying?
sara higdon
No, it happens all the time.
People make mistakes.
And that's the other thing is you have to be so self-indulged to let that get to you.
And especially if it's a mistake and they just misspoke.
josie glabach
I've been misgendered.
sara higdon
Yeah, that's the other thing is I know so many females that have been called he him all the time because they present more masculine.
It happens all the time.
It's only one section of people that melt down over, you know, words that are spoken to you.
They're just words.
I mean, it's the whole thing, you know, you know, words don't hurt.
ian crossland
Do you think of yourself like in terms of like, are you a man that is also a trans woman?
sara higdon
So yes, that's one of the things that I think a trans woman is a subsection of man because otherwise you have no definitions.
So a man is an adult human male.
You can't define it any other way.
A woman is an adult human female.
And so your sex is your sex.
And so my sex is male.
So when somebody says, you know, you're a man, I'm like, well, technically that's accurate, but it doesn't tell the full story of how I live my life and how I present myself to society.
Like that's, that's the whole difference.
That's why we use trans woman instead of man.
But I do think trans women are a subsection of men.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that's important.
tim pool
That is factually correct, yes.
ian crossland
And man, I feel like that would help a lot of people sort themselves out if they started thinking, like, they don't cease to become what they were, they're just something else now, or they're changing who they are.
sara higdon
Yeah, you can't change your sex.
You have to acknowledge biological fact.
We have absolutes in this world.
We're not, you know, postmodernists who don't believe in absolutes.
tim pool
Alright, let's go there!
Because we had Lance on the show, and you know about that, right?
Yeah.
sara higdon
We had Josie talk about it when Josie was on my show.
tim pool
Alright, well then let's talk about it.
If trans women are a subset of men, is it gay if a man has adult relations with a trans woman?
sara higdon
It depends.
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sara higdon
I think Blair White labeled this the best when she said that it's a different type of sexuality.
Because, yes, if you suck a trans woman's penis, it is a homosexual act.
That is homosexual.
I mean, it's a pretty gay act.
tim pool
Pretty gay.
That's like, what, 67% gay?
sara higdon
Yeah, but the thing is, is attraction.
If you're attracted to the female form and you like trans women and only women, it's not fair to say that you're gay or bi simply because, you know, you do date males.
I think that there can be, it's like the difference between, you know, sex and gender.
Or you can just say, that's homosexual.
Yes, you're in a homosexual relationship, but you're not It's not necessarily a gay relationship.
tim pool
So I think I get what you're saying, like, it is... If you're defining gay as in straight up homosexual activities, it is homosexual.
Yeah.
But actually that may not accurately describe to someone what it means to be in a gay relationship because two dudes who are like two bears in leather, you know, vests or whatever, When people think gay, they might think it's like two overt men together, and they're not thinking a trans person.
So, it may be colloquially correct, but maybe could be conveyed better.
I was thinking like, why is it that there's transgender and transsexual and transvestite?
Like, these are different things?
sara higdon
Yeah, so well that's it's kind of this is what happened so transvestites and transsexuals were the old terms it actually was like crossdresser transvestite and Transsexual and the only one that was ever considered the T was the transsexual because that's transsexuals Take hormones and take the steps to live full-time in society as the opposite sex they take the hormones They do surgeries they do all that transvestites are basically crossdressers who like drag queens Yeah, or just people that go out, they'll go out, they might go to the bar and stuff like that.
josie glabach
Rocky Horror Picture Show.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's in the word vest, like vet mall vest.
sara higdon
And crossdressers just do it for a sexual fetish.
They might not even wear a wig, but they do it simply for sex.
tim pool
So, a homosexual, homo meaning the same.
Sexual implies their sexuality is towards the same.
A bisexual, their sexuality is to two.
And then there is, but homosexual covers males and females.
So wouldn't transsexual mean someone whose sexuality is towards trans people?
sara higdon
That's interesting.
That's an interesting concept.
The reason, I mean, I don't know, This is what got us into trouble though.
So, and this goes back to your other question too, is transgender is a thing because that's what the postmodernism, that's the umbrella term that encompasses everything that means that you don't identify as your given sex.
And so, while transsexual would pretty much mean like what you're talking about, Um, the term has been around for so long, it wouldn't be apt to, you know, that's why we're trying to go back to it.
tim pool
That, uh, that Kelly Cadigan blocked me on Twitter because I said that, uh, you know, Kelly got very mad that I tweeted something that I've tweeted several times, a very cold academic statement that, uh, It was gay for a male to have relations with a trans woman because it is homosexuality.
It is two males who are engaging in sex with each other.
And then Kelly said something like, imagine thinking a gay man wants to have anything to do with my body or whatever, and it's like...
It's not about... Look, there are some gay guys who like small effeminate men.
Are they straight because the men are effeminate?
Twinks?
No, they like men.
There are some men who like big burly men.
There are different body types.
If a person is a man, but takes hormones and has breasts or whatever, it is still an adult male and is still the same sex.
It is homosexuality, but they have a different preference for that body type.
That's why there are people... And Kelly actually brought this up saying that, like, trans porn is huge.
And then I'm like, okay.
Like, so there are gay men who like boobs on their guys.
Yeah.
But I don't understand why they're so offended by it.
If these people, like, when Lance was on the show and he said, it's not gay to engage in sex with an adult human male who is trans, I'm like, why are you offended at the idea that someone would call you gay?
Wouldn't you just be like, okay?
sara higdon
Yeah, aren't they the ones that are supposed to be progressive, not regressive?
josie glabach
It's because this movement requires affirmation.
They can't be pushed back against it, you just accept it.
tim pool
But what's offensive about it?
josie glabach
It's nothing.
tim pool
Why are you mad?
It's like, you're the LGBT community, you like this!
If I call you gay, you should go, and!
Instead they're like, no I'm not!
That's wrong!
So they create this paradox where Lance, there's no logic to what they're saying.
And that's why, you know, Kelly blocked me because I'm like, if two males engage in sexual relations, it is homosexual.
That's what it means.
There has to be a logic behind it so you can convey these ideas.
So Lance tries to break it down.
So here's what happens.
The left says trans women are women.
And then he said, trans women are females.
And it's like, well, that's not correct.
That's not true.
But, if they want to run the line that trans women are women, they have to then follow it up with the obvious.
A man who is attracted to a woman is straight.
And if trans women are women, a man who is attracted to a male who looks female, or takes hormones, is also straight.
But then they have to follow that path once again.
If a man naturally is effeminate and female-looking, small and dainty, you are straight if you have sex with that man.
Yeah.
So two adult men, one is big and burly and manly, and one is short and effeminate, is a straight relationship.
That's that logic.
And then the funniest thing he said was, he said to Ian, I think you asked, like, what if, like, a woman is manly and, like, you know, big and manly and muscular?
He goes, that's gay.
And then Ian's like, that's not cool, man.
You can't call it gay because your girlfriend's ugly.
ian crossland
I don't know if I said that.
I wish I had said that, but I don't remember saying that.
tim pool
You said something like that.
I don't know.
Someone said it.
I thought it was you.
ian crossland
If I look at Blair White from across the room, and I don't have my glasses on, I'm like, that chick is hot as fuck.
I'm not gay.
But if I go over to her, and it's Blair, and I'm like, OK, you're a guy.
You're a man.
And I get Blair's dick, and I'm like, yeah, I love this.
Then I am gay.
But that's it.
unidentified
It is.
josie glabach
We're all confused is because one of the, so Marx in the Communist Manifesto wrote all the ways to overthrow, overthrow a culture, overthrow society, and those were history.
You take away their history, you know, you destabilize their nation.
One of the other destabilizations that he listed was eternal truths.
Eternal truths are just things that you know to be true.
Two plus two equals four.
What is a man?
What is a woman?
We know these things.
We just know them.
We inherently know them.
So, in order to overthrow your society, you need to say, nope, these things aren't true anymore.
And that just throws it into chaos, and that's what's happening.
tim pool
How many lights are there?
ian crossland
Is that common?
josie glabach
Lights in here?
tim pool
No, no, no.
ian crossland
It's a Star Trek reference.
Do you know it?
josie glabach
I don't know the meme.
ian crossland
It's wild.
tim pool
Captain Picard is being tortured by the Cardassians, and they bring him into a room.
josie glabach
By the Cardassians?
tim pool
Cardassians.
unidentified
Oops.
ian crossland
How did that happen?
unidentified
It was Kim.
tim pool
Yeah.
They were torturing him.
All the sisters were shaking their butts and he was like, No!
unidentified
Stop!
Stop!
tim pool
I can't!
josie glabach
I mean, that makes sense.
tim pool
But they've got a torture device and he says, how many lights are there?
And Picard says, there are four lights.
And then he electrocutes him and he's like, ah!
And he goes, you are mistaken, there are five.
Now tell me again, how many lights are there?
And then it ends famously with Picard yelling, there are four lights!
Before he gets taken off.
ian crossland
And at the end he's like, he was so broken.
He's like, I was about to tell him there were five.
They broke me so hard.
tim pool
To just make the pain stop.
ian crossland
Is this like something that you were mentioning, it's from the Communist Manifesto?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
So this has been tried before, been enacted before?
josie glabach
It's always tried and it always fails, but that's good that it always fails.
Always fails.
sara higdon
Yeah, but that's what we're seeing taking over with CRT.
josie glabach
But it always fails.
sara higdon
It's based in postmodern neomarxism, which is always set to destroy the society.
josie glabach
Yeah, and then once it's destroyed and everybody is weak and just wants a solution.
That's the thing.
Everybody just do whatever, just fix this.
You know, that's where they want everybody to get to.
And then once they're there, they're putty.
tim pool
But I do feel like if the right never takes the bait and isn't getting violent, the left loses.
josie glabach
Yeah, exactly. It's why it always loses. The good guys always win.
tim pool
They need to destabilize the country, destroy history, get rid of immutable truths, or what were they called?
josie glabach
Yeah, yeah, there's a, let me see.
tim pool
Was it immutable truth?
josie glabach
Yep, they got to get rid of, they say abolished nations, so aborters.
Abolishing borders is communist, it is not libertarian.
tim pool
But, what is ailing the average American, the average person?
It is not right-wingers running around smashing things, it's actually the left.
So if the instability increases, you will end up with a right-wing militaristic government, not a lefting one.
Because you're pulling all in the direction of the left.
And then finally, people are gonna snap and say, I can't fucking take it anymore, make it stop.
unidentified
And then Trump will stand up and be like, I'm gonna call in the police and the military.
tim pool
And then they're gonna be like, do it.
josie glabach
Yeah, he's gonna try to do that with BLM.
And they're like, oh my God, how dare you?
tim pool
He never invoked the insurrection.
josie glabach
No, no, he didn't.
He didn't do it, but he talked about it.
Sorry, I had worded that wrong.
He'd spoken about, you know, possibly like, maybe I should call in the troops, you know,
like as a kind of discussion point.
And this is where they were like, oh my god, absolutely not.
unidentified
They're peaceful protesters and because everything he said they had to push back against.
tim pool
People are being pushed in front of trains and shot and crime is skyrocketing.
josie glabach
They're just gonna be like, welcome, let's go.
tim pool
Do whatever you have to do to fix it.
ian crossland
Well, that's the fear.
That's where we don't want to go.
sara higdon
I've spoken about it like this, you know, the pendulum theory, it's like, I've always said I do what I do because I don't want the pendulum to swing too hard back the other way.
I like that it's starting to move back, but what it's starting to feel like now is, instead of a pendulum, it's like a rubber band.
The left is pulling so hard, so hard, and it's about to snap, and yeah, and it's just gonna cause a whole lot of chaos on people in the middle.
unidentified
Or it'll snap their own hand if you're doing that.
tim pool
They will pull to the left and the rubber band itself will snap.
josie glabach
So another I'm sorry, I'm eating these nuts.
ian crossland
Delicious.
josie glabach
Yeah, they're so amazing.
But another another thing about this, if you think about like what I had said about communism and stuff, how that's infiltrated into every institution, everything.
I mean, it's in big tech, it's in It's in Big Pharma, it's in the schools, the universities, it's every single institution has it.
So things like Bud Light, the richest people at the top of Bud Light are not going to get hurt.
Who's going to get hurt?
The delivery drivers?
The people at the breweries?
Those are the people who are going to get hurt.
Those are the people who are going to lose their jobs.
They're creating a double class system.
sara higdon
It's already hitting the distributors.
josie glabach
The richest people are going to be fine, but the poorest people are going to get poor.
The middle class, shrink in the middle class, get them poor.
So this is all a big communist thing.
sara higdon
Well, and you know how they're doing it.
My last op-ed that I wrote in Human Events was kind of about this, because what you're seeing now, and I've seen it a lot in a lot of these protests, like the Riley Gaines protests and stuff like that, Where it's you can tell like you can look and you can be like those aren't those people aren't even trans like they're Not doing this, but they're pushing it under the transgender name because it's been so over-encompassing So what happens is that they tried to do the same thing with BLM with CRT to push the same agenda but what that
required was for you know black people to be on board with the ideology and then execute the violence.
It's why you saw a lot of the violence was Antifa who was not black and was white trying to execute this violence in their name.
What they realized is they couldn't do that, and so with queer theory, all Trantifa has to do is go out there, self ID into the trans community, cause all this violence, cause all this chaos, In our name, and then when they've destroyed the acceptance rate of trans people, they will simply self-ID out of the category, leaving the transsexuals to clean up the mess and deal with the fallout from it.
ian crossland
Is that happening?
sara higdon
I mean, we're seeing it happen.
I mean, it's why you've seen the rhetoric so much higher on the right, because you're seeing people move from the more centrist position.
You know, the whole, I'm done being nice to trans people ideas are coming out there because it's just people that were once nice to trans people and, you know, we're fine with it.
Like, even Kelly J. Keene said in 2013 that, I don't know why some radical feminists are so hateful towards actual transsexuals and now look where she's at in speaking on the issue.
It's happening a lot.
tim pool
What's Dylan Mulvaney?
Yeah, this is a big part.
When Dylan Mulvaney prances around in heels, I've been saying this for a whole time, it's not just mocking women, it's mocking trans people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then what happens is high-profile conservatives say, see, this is what trans people are!
And I'm like, no, no, like Dylan is Borat.
ian crossland
He's a mercenary.
tim pool
Dylan is Borat.
ian crossland
Like, this is what happens in a war.
You'll have two warring factions, and then the third faction will come in and be like, God, both these guys could stand to be knocked down a peg.
I'll go into one and make it look really bad, set up more hate for one side than you create, or even two sides that aren't at odds.
You go in and create the conflict that puts them at odds.
So there's not just the right and the left here.
There are other organizations and factions that are attempting to hijack and coerce the system.
Using things like, well, whatever the popular movement of the day is, I guess BLM and the trans movement today.
tim pool
Let's go to callers!
ian crossland
Oh, fuck yes.
serge du preez
Callers!
unidentified
Good.
josie glabach
Callers?
I haven't been here for callers yet.
unidentified
So fun.
Oh, yeah.
serge du preez
Well, let's begin by speaking to three, if by treachery.
How are you?
Hello there.
You're with us now.
unidentified
I'm good.
Can you guys hear me?
ian crossland
Yes.
josie glabach
Loud and clear.
unidentified
Perfect.
Thank you all for taking my question.
Really, really appreciate it.
You guys earlier were talking about state-sponsored currency.
I think, like Ian may have mentioned, like Forticoin.
And I found that just interesting because there are states that are already taking back some of their authority when it comes to the creation of legal tender.
What comes to mind for me specifically are what's called Goldbacks, and I'm not sure if anybody here has heard of them, but there are three states that are creating them.
serge du preez
You mean the ones that have already been created?
Because I live in Utah, I went to University of Utah, that's where I have my alma mater, so I've seen them before, the Utah ones.
tim pool
I was going to go grab some, but I forgot my keys.
unidentified
It is.
I just it's really interesting that states are actually kind of going back to like, hey, you can't actually manipulate this, you know?
Yes.
josie glabach
And I want to reiterate that I meant couponing money, not coining it.
And that's going to follow me around for the rest of my life.
All right.
So just be clear there.
Thank you for understanding.
unidentified
No problem.
No, I just you know, like I said, I wanted to bring that up and see what your guys' thoughts were on it.
I mean, I find it interesting that they're actually trying to use the gold as the medium of exchange and not Trying to exchange it through some type of, you know, fiat, right?
And people aren't a super big fan of the premiums you pay, but inflation covers that in like less than two years.
So, no, that was really my question was, have you heard of them?
And what do you guys think of them?
tim pool
I bought a good little stack of them, a couple hundred bucks, that's about it.
You know, I've got some silver, some gold, I think they're great to have.
I think crypto is really great.
I wouldn't say any one of them is the absolute, but they're all good for different reasons.
I think the goldbacks are great, but no one's going to be able to tell it.
It feels like plastic.
So it's, you know, are they really going to accept it?
What's it really worth?
And then the cost of producing, it's actually pretty decent because they've got to put the, the, it's like a polymer casing over it.
So that actually increases the cost of it, which interestingly, you could argue the gold of the bill is worth $4, but the, because of the manufacturing, it makes it worth five or something.
ian crossland
Yeah, my concern with having every state having their own currency is if you can't use Florida currency in Utah, because they're not organized enough without a federal centralization focus, and then that that dissolves the union, essentially, if we're not all bound by the currency, which is like the kind of the through line of what we got going in the United States.
The upside, of course, is that states would have their own currency and that they could Well, that's what happens with international travel.
and stuff. So as long as the currencies are interrelated, like as long as I can spend
main coin in Utah and Florida and every other state, I think that it can function.
sara higdon
Well, that's what happens with international travel. If you go overseas and you use your
credit card, it will automatically do the conversion rate.
So it digital currency.
Yeah.
So digital will automatically do that, that what you're talking about.
You can be like, oh yeah, I have a bank full of Florida coin and you go to Georgia and you spend it there and it will, your bank will automatically do it.
Now that could also increase, you know, transaction rates though too with, with Visa and everything, but I'm not sure.
ian crossland
Uh-huh.
And if the power goes out, always got to be ready for the power to go out.
So as long as you, it's legal for you to go into like a Target in West Virginia and spend California coin there.
sara higdon
Well, it's interesting because I remember I grew up, again, I grew up in Michigan and we used to go to Canada.
And there was a point, you know, we would always go and Canadians would love the American dollar until the Canadian dollar became worth more than the American dollar for a little while.
Then they would never accept the American dollar.
And it was really weird because we always accept Canadian coins.
It's a little bit funny like that, but you'd have those same type of issues going across state lines.
Like $20 here is not $20 in another state.
So it would create some conflict.
And that's the whole reason why a centralized currency took fold.
ian crossland
Did you have any follow-up questions on that?
unidentified
No, no follow-ups.
I just personally collect them because I think they're cool.
The designs are fantastic.
I think they're worth more as a personal collector's item, but you guys are the best.
I listen as much as I can, and thank you for taking my call tonight.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in, brother.
serge du preez
Of course.
ian crossland
It was awesome.
Yeah, we have a bank of Columbus.
This is Columbus, Georgia.
What is this?
unidentified
$10.
ian crossland
I don't know where this is from.
tim pool
There used to be, like, hundreds of currencies in circulation.
Crazy, because all the different banks, and you just, like, didn't know if it was legit, unless you knew the bank.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's crazy.
serge du preez
Yeah, they had a different system.
unidentified
And they were like, we must create one currency.
ian crossland
Trust me, and you will.
tim pool
But it's actually a really interesting, you guys know the story of the creation of the Federal Reserve?
josie glabach
Um, not in depth.
tim pool
So, uh, basically, J.P.
Morgan's people read this book about a ship called the Titan and then built it and tricked all the rich into it.
So it's a conspiracy theory that J.P.
josie glabach
Morgan— Wildly checks out.
tim pool
—and a bunch of other bankers convinced everybody to go on this great cruise of this unsinkable ship, intentionally sank it to kill off all of this wealth, and then all their money was locked—was in banks with no one to claim, and they used that to create the Federal Reserve.
ian crossland
What the fuck?
John Jacob Astor died on the Titanic.
serge du preez
Yes, he did.
ian crossland
Founded a story in New York.
sara higdon
Where have I heard that before?
josie glabach
Do you even watch James Cameron's Titanic?
ian crossland
Oh, was he on?
Was he in that?
There was the character of Aster was in that movie?
unidentified
Yep.
josie glabach
Tall, skinny.
tim pool
All right.
Who's next?
ian crossland
Great movie.
serge du preez
We are going to bring on America First.
How are you, America First?
You're second.
I hope you're okay with that.
unidentified
That's fine.
Hey guys, a question for the whole panel to give their opinions.
Sarah mentioned the Mulvaney effect, which awakened normal people to the pride stuff being pushed everywhere.
But Target has had that pride section at the front of their store for over half a decade.
I've seen it year after year.
But finally the right is standing together to boycott, which is great and works.
I have a dozen friends that have stopped shopping there as of last week.
But looking back over the last 20 years, I'm wondering what the panel now thinks of the idea that quote-unquote gay marriage was the first domino that fell
that led us to this point because they asked for acceptance and fair treatment and the erasure
of the eternal truth that Josie just mentioned, an eternal truth, something that has
been known through all of human history, that marriage is between a man and a woman.
An inch by inch, the right retreated so as not to be labeled bigots and now look where
we are, still labeled as exactly the same bigots, if not worse.
We've gained nothing and lost everything on the way.
tim pool
Well, the problem is the right retreated and everything.
The idea to me that like Dave Rubin is going to be happy and have a family, I literally
have no issue with that.
I think Dave is going to be a better father and give a better opportunity to his kids than a large majority of people in this country could or would.
And that's not condemning a lot of people who can't.
It's just saying, you know, I think he will create a great opportunity and intelligent upbringing for those children, which is a really good thing.
Shamus's agrees because they use surrogacy and I think I'm not sure if it was Libby but others agree and I definitely understand those points and I think they're they're actually pretty good but in terms of you know marriage saying that two adults who feel a certain way and love each other Should be barred because we're upset that pedophiles are now infiltrating.
I think there's a hard line there.
I can certainly agree with the idea there's a slippery slope and we have to be sure about it, but, like, we have to be sure that we're fighting against it.
If we say, okay, you are two adult males or females, you love each other, one's in the hospital and dying, and you want the same rights and access as any other couple, I think that's appropriate and fair.
Just because we allow that doesn't mean that because we did, we now have pedophiles.
We've always had pedophiles.
They're exploiting the system.
They've infiltrated.
And that's the big problem.
The ideological capture and the groomer capture.
Now there is a problem that many of these same people, fetishists and things like that, it's not about love.
And that was the problem.
The problem was that when I was growing up, They told me it was about love.
They say, oh, it's just people who love each other, and I'm like, I agree with that.
Then why is that guy bending over and getting spanked by that guy in public?
That has nothing to do with love.
That's the problem.
So separating kink from the rights of individuals who love each other is something that should have been done and never was.
But to put it simply, Uh, if you came to me and said, should, you know, Dave Rubin and his husband be allowed to live and have the same rights as a male and female couple, I'll say, yeah, I understand why people don't like that, and you don't have to agree that it is a legitimate marriage.
I just want to make sure that he can be there for the person he cares about and he loves.
But just because we allow that doesn't mean we allow the groomers all over the place.
And so the issue with the pride stuff is that they're introducing sexual concepts to children and they've infiltrated.
So if a few years ago, we were like, look, if two people love each other, it's none of my business.
Adults can do what they want.
That's where we were.
Now we're at the point where we're like, okay, kids, open your butt sex book.
That's the problem, that's the problem.
unidentified
I don't know if anyone wants to elaborate.
josie glabach
There's that meme that's like, what happens if gay people get married?
They're checking off all the things it was from like 15 years ago or something.
And there's this meme that says, what happens if gay people get married, right?
And it's a circle, it's a pie chart, and it's all blue.
And it says gay people will get married, right?
And that's blue.
But then beneath it, it's like, a plague will happen.
tim pool
World War 3.
josie glabach
World War 3 will happen.
Yeah, and then it's like we're gonna teach kids about sex in schools.
And it's all happening.
All the stuff from this pie chart.
sara higdon
So I think, like you were saying, it's if... I don't think the government should be involved in marriage in the first place, but if it is, it should be equal across the board.
Anybody should be able to get married that loves each other.
I wrote a piece for Reality's Last Stand that was called, actually, the Slippery Slope Fallacy about this.
And I talked about this because you...
It makes a lot of assumptions that gay marriage was the catalyst that led to this.
If you were okay with gay marriage, and you think that you were wrong at that point, then you're making a lot of assumptions that what's going on now wouldn't have happened if gay marriage wasn't legalized.
And at what point do you go back and say, this is where I agreed with this, but I don't want to go past this point?
Because you can go all the way back to, and Josie loves this, because you could go all the way back to women getting the right to vote.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
You could say... You stole my answer, Sarah!
sara higdon
You could say women got the right to vote.
unidentified
Wow.
sara higdon
Women got into the workforce.
Women created gender studies courses in universities.
Queer theory was derived from gender studies courses in the 1990s.
And then it was changed to transgender, which is the postmodern term in 2013.
And so I mean, radical feminists have been fighting this for a long time.
tim pool
But how did we get women the right to vote?
That was created by industrialization.
And mass mobilization, weapons and conscription.
When you no longer needed a warrior class.
So it used to be that if you wanted fighters and soldiers, they had to be trained from a young age.
Then we made rifles!
We advanced to the point where we could mass-produce weapons.
You could hand to someone and say, point and pull.
Now people didn't need to be trained fighters as much.
With the musket, you still needed people to undergo some training, but it was easier to have militia where you could throw someone a musket and say, here's how you load it, go do it, and you can be effective.
Once we got to the point where we had repeaters, we were basically like, anyone's a warrior now.
Once that happened, we no longer, like, Once we got to the point where people could shoot a bear, shoot a wolf, shoot any intruder, safety in this country skyrocketed.
The threats to women diminished, and now you had more and more women emerging who were independent.
So let's go back in time.
Why were there no suffragettes hundreds of years earlier?
Because they were with their husbands, and they had to protect themselves from danger, and so they would not want to go out into the woods and fight.
They would do homely things, and the men would go off and do the more dangerous things.
Many of the men would die.
The Donner Party, for instance.
It was the men that died.
Most of the men died and they died first because the women did not work.
They explicitly said to the women, stay here and stay safe.
Because women are very important because they have babies.
Once we got to the point where women could be safe with no family and no husband because people had guns and women could have guns, all of a sudden now you're getting more and more women who are independent and need to make decisions for themselves.
So We could say we could solve this whole problem by getting rid of guns, right?
I'm kidding.
We return back to a tribal nature, we reduce the overall level of mass safety, and it creates a situation where men are dying substantially more often than women, and women are more worried about their safety, and then you get rid of women voting.
My point is this, all of these things lead to this moment.
It wasn't just one day, we went, you know what, I thought about it and women should vote!
It was, you have a bunch of women who aren't in families who are now demanding the right to vote.
Whereas women, even to this day, women who are married are more likely to be Republican.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think also the gay marriage thing, I'm not too concerned with it, because I always think of marriage as a legal construct, not as a religious construct.
The state is saying now you get tax benefits, so it's like a business contract.
Whether you love each other or not is almost irrelevant.
It is irrelevant.
And I think that the mass indoctrination and sexualization of children is a result of the internet and like socialized communism and this attempt to disrupt the United States or the ethics of the United States from outside forces that would have happened even if it was still illegal for gay people to get married.
sara higdon
Yeah, remember, the LGBT community already fought off NAMBLA one time.
And so we're just doing it again.
And you're right.
I mean... This whole thing, it could have... It could stem anywhere, and you could stop it anywhere.
And the way that marriage works, it should just be... Whatever.
It's a contract, exactly what you said.
tim pool
Well, it's America First.
Do you want to elaborate on anything else?
unidentified
Just two quick points.
One, I still wonder if the one vote would have gone through if they would have had to do the same as men and A, sign up for the draft and B, sign up for Fire Brigade because somehow we got out of both of those but still got the vote.
And the other point I just want to say is for Ian, I love you.
I've been praying for you for months and do me a personal favor.
Sit down sober and read the book of Romans.
It's like a 45 minute read.
That's my only request.
I love you.
Thanks.
What's so good about, what's good about Romans?
It's just a really quick, it's a quick book that can kind of, it's like the, they call it the Roman road to salvation.
It's like the best book to read to understand the idea of the gospel.
So it's the quickest thing that you can read to kind of get the whole grasp of it.
tim pool
Is there a modern iteration of the Bible?
The challenge for me is, like, I've sat down to read the Bible on many, many occasions throughout my life.
I went to Catholic school.
And it's like reading a passage that says, like, and doth he yelled unto thine with thy wind.
josie glabach
That's what it feels like reading the Federalist Papers.
It's exactly the same.
unidentified
There's the New International Version, the NIV, and the NASB.
Those are both a little bit easier to read.
serge du preez
I've heard of the NIV.
josie glabach
Cool.
I just want to say I haven't answered your question.
Look me in the eyes.
It's the 19th Amendment.
That's what did this.
sara higdon
That's what got us on the road.
josie glabach
That's what got us because women vote with their feelings.
Women didn't have anything to lose.
Women weren't at a risk of being drafted and women were like, oh, hey, this sounds really nice.
You know, and that's like the kind of bills that we're seeing pass through Congress right now, like the I Love Everybody bill that kills puppies.
You know, this is the kind of stuff that we're dealing with, and it's because they vote for it because they vote with their hearts, which is admirable to feel with your heart.
You know, men have a certain position, women have a different position, and these are just biologically the way it is.
It's why men protected women, you know?
tim pool
If I was in Congress, I would do nothing but that.
I would make, like, the Saving Cute Puppies and Protecting the Baby Kittens Act, and then it would be like, we abolish the Department of Education.
unidentified
Like, why are you voting against saving puppies?
tim pool
Like, your bill just gets rid of the Department of Education.
No, it's the puppies bill.
josie glabach
Congressman Massey, are you listening to this?
tim pool
And then, and then, get this, I'd run commercials where it's like, Senator Dubowitz voted against the Saving Puppies Act.
josie glabach
This is exactly what we do.
This is how we win.
This is how we win.
tim pool
And then I would do it all the time.
It would be crazy.
It would be like the, you know, protecting cute, cuddly babies and giving free money to everyone bill.
And then it's just like the Federal Reserve has abolished it.
josie glabach
The thing is what Congressman Massey does he does like one-line bills because he's like that's all they need to be and honestly I agree with that but when it comes to these you need to fluff the shit out of them and then put All at the bottom.
Yes exactly because they don't read the whole thing.
sara higdon
That's why I like state bills.
State bills are like one paragraph and it's super easy to get context on what's going on.
tim pool
We do the Providing welfare, protecting the environment, and providing schooling for all people's act.
And then it'll be three pages of, in this country we recognize that it's very important for people to have good job, good education, good skills, so they can live their lives, be better, and have the American dream.
And then you go on and prattle on for a bit and it says, but in a strong and protected environment it's also equally important.
And then finally at the bottom, hereby it be resolved that the Federal Reserve is abolished effective immediately.
josie glabach
Exactly.
Or the other thing that you do, you just submit the Constitution, because nobody's ever read that.
The Declaration of Independence, nobody's read that.
And that's what it is.
And then at the very bottom, you're like, The Department of Ed is gone.
sara higdon
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters what we name bills, because the left will give them their names.
I mean, that's what happened with the Parental Choice in Education Bill in Florida.
josie glabach
Oh yeah, the Don't Say Gay Bill.
It doesn't say gay.
sara higdon
That's the actual name.
tim pool
It's called the Don't Say Straight Bill.
You can't talk about straight parents either.
sara higdon
So do you say gay in Florida?
josie glabach
I am a rebel.
tim pool
We're going to jump to the next scholar, America First.
serge du preez
Thank you, America First.
Appreciate the time.
josie glabach
Thank you, America First.
serge du preez
I'm just gonna put the mute on there and now we'll talk to Kaba. C-A-B-A. Kaba. What up? How are you doing?
unidentified
Hi Kaba First things first is there four or six bees in Glababo?
Six Just because it's a more ridiculous number.
josie glabach
The B's are silent.
ian crossland
Yeah, the first one.
unidentified
Blah, blah, blah.
It's B-G-L-A-B-B-B.
tim pool
Don't forget!
unidentified
I just try to be respectful.
tim pool
That's right.
Thank you.
unidentified
So, quick question.
Well, long question.
Thinking about many of the conversations that you guys have been having related to Bud Light and Target, it seems as though the leadership from these corporations breached their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders.
ian crossland
Agreed.
unidentified
Lead to significant shareholder losses, right?
Yep.
So, taking the same principle to mutual fund managers, and I think, Sarah, you were alluding
to this earlier.
Yep.
You take that same principle to mutual fund managers, investment bank, financial institutions.
It seems that these managers are, they're instituting the exact, well, they're breaching
the exact same fiduciary responsibility to their mutual fund holders and people that
are sometimes forced to invest into particular funds.
My previous employer, I had to vest into a Vanguard fund.
There was no other way about it.
Between employers creating environments rife with discrimination, money management leveraging their investors' capital to fund personal politics to the entire system, seemingly coordinated, and it seems like it's working towards the destruction of this petrodollar, it seems like we have to have some sort of recourse on this.
I can't believe that this doesn't allow us to step in and take these people to court in some way.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's actually pretty, it's like a dawn of that.
That idea is dawning, I think, on people realizing that impact investment actually could be considered a violation of your fiduciary responsibility to your clients.
sara higdon
Well, and that's what he's saying is who is actually interesting because didn't Joe Biden veto a bill that would have made it illegal for public 401k funds to invest into ESG funds?
unidentified
Yes.
sara higdon
I'm pretty sure his only veto has been on that issue.
unidentified
He instituted an executive order that basically says you can't sue over climate-related investments.
Wow.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a form of impact investment is the climate stuff.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
So he's trying to protect it.
tim pool
Yeah, I feel like Biden wears diapers.
sara higdon
I mean, he did poop himself.
tim pool
Right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Had to change his suit took a long time.
ian crossland
It's called executive order on climate related financial risk.
And he signed that May of 2021.
Um, the investment in the trans movement or stores that, uh, hold that stuff is not climate.
So that would, I don't know if there's any protection against that.
sara higdon
Cultural climate.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Oh, that's, that's funny.
Climate related.
Yes.
Social climate as well.
sara higdon
Jeez.
The thing is, I think companies like Target and Kohl's and all this would have been fine if it was just, again, selling pride stuff.
It was when Target has tuck-friendly stuff.
ian crossland
What's tuck?
josie glabach
When you take the penis and you push it back and there's like a flap and you could put it like a pocket and wear it like it's not there.
ian crossland
And the tuck stuff is for males that want to hide their penis?
josie glabach
Yes.
tim pool
So there's the inguinal canal is what it's called?
sara higdon
I think it sounds right.
I've heard that.
tim pool
And so tucking is when you push the testes back and up into the body and then fold the penis back.
So that the man can simulate not having male genitals.
josie glabach
I'm a girl and I'm cringing.
tim pool
Well, dude, look, I gotta tell you.
You gotta be careful.
These arm meat penises that trans men get, it is strange to me because...
They look like an Oscar Mayer sausage with hair on it.
sara higdon
Yeah, there was one that looked like... That viral one?
It was like a dildo.
It looked like a dildo.
It was shaped like one.
josie glabach
Oh, it had a bulge?
tim pool
Because they can't actually make a real penis.
And so, look, man, I feel bad for these people because I don't know what they think that it is.
It's very strange to me.
josie glabach
I think it might, I don't know, it might relieve the dysphoria if they look down and see that they have an appendage there.
sara higdon
Yeah, but I don't think you get any sexual satisfaction.
tim pool
And they become incontinent.
sara higdon
And so that surgery has never made sense to me.
At least you're still sexually functional after you have...
josie glabach
That would be my guess.
sara higdon
The other way around?
unidentified
Yeah.
sara higdon
But it's like, when you have that surgery, not only, and it's not even just the way that it looks, even if it looked completely real and was functional, it's not if you have complications, it's when.
That's well known in the community.
Like, there's no doctor in the community that doesn't have at least one malpractice lawsuit.
Like, one of the best doctors in the world has two of them against him, but it's two out of how many surgeries he's done.
But it's always complications with that surgery.
I don't know why anybody would get it.
josie glabach
I mean, it's adding something.
tim pool
Did that get to your question, Cabo, or was that way off?
unidentified
I mean, I still haven't kind of... Do you guys think that we have some sort of action here?
I mean, this is... I think America First Legal is doing it.
Investments?
I mean, where do the raw materials come from?
Who does the manufacturing?
It seems like some way to basically transfer wealth.
josie glabach
Everything seems like that right now for sure.
tim pool
Well, yeah, COVID for sure.
josie glabach
Yep, COVID, Ukraine.
Yeah, it's all.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure America First Legal is suing over a failure to uphold their fiduciary duties.
So people are going to recover those losses.
sara higdon
That's usually the way to affect change.
Like even with like the, you know, transient of kids.
Like, Chloe Cole's lawsuit is going to be the biggest thing that happens in this because it's going to de-incentivize the transient of kids.
Until you actually de-incentivize doctors from doing it, they're still going to want to do it.
And so, in states where you can't pass bills, that's the way to do it.
And then that will reverberate around the country.
josie glabach
The one that was doing it in Florida was getting around lawsuits because she didn't have insurance or something.
sara higdon
Yeah, so Dr. Gallagher.
josie glabach
Yes, yes.
sara higdon
The Yeet the Teeth lady.
Yeah, she did not carry malpractice insurance so no lawyer would take a case against her because they knew she wouldn't pay it.
tim pool
Right.
unidentified
Wow.
josie glabach
Wow.
That is another level of just monster.
tim pool
That was in Florida, wasn't it?
josie glabach
Yeah.
tim pool
Where's Ron at?
Come on.
josie glabach
That was before.
tim pool
Jez Jennings got a surgery while in Florida under Ron DeSantis.
ian crossland
Yeah, I would think if the doctor couldn't pay the malpractice insurance claim out but lost a lawsuit, then she would spend time in jail as recompense.
sara higdon
Nope.
It's just bankruptcy.
ian crossland
It's civil.
Cutting off girls' boobs is civil.
tim pool
And then what happens is... Well, now it won't be, but yeah.
Not in Florida, yeah.
But then what happens after they're bankrupt, a different person will open a firm and hire them and do the same thing over and over again.
Yeah.
But anyway, I want to make sure we're getting to what Kaba was requesting.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
The answer is yes.
Suing these companies for lack of fiduciary responsibility.
That is the way of filing.
sara higdon
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
Agreed.
I'd like to hear it.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in.
serge du preez
Of course, man.
unidentified
All right, Storm 49.
serge du preez
What about the other 48 storms?
ian crossland
It's got some World War II vibes.
Am I right or wrong?
serge du preez
49's after the war.
unidentified
So technically, yes, because Alaska was invaded by Japan during World War II.
serge du preez
Aleutian Islands.
tim pool
I mean, they're right there, basically.
People don't realize how far Alaska goes.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
unidentified
Yeah, and then they don't realize they're not right there to the rest of Alaska.
tim pool
Right.
serge du preez
True.
tim pool
Also, check out On Alaska, where they do the crab stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, On Alaska is still even closer than Attu and Adak, where they landed.
So, sorry, we shouldn't be going on that Alaska tour.
serge du preez
Anyways, let's get to the question.
Yeah, yeah.
Pardon me.
unidentified
Yeah, so...
I feel like America First and CABA, we kind of just got answered, but maybe elaborate deeper into this.
This is for Sarah, for Arthur's comment.
Do you believe that the Pride movement, which is much very different than I consider from the LGBT, do you believe that the Pride movement has swallowed the LGBT?
Or was produced by them?
And then, is it possible to separate the two?
And by pos- like, separate the two, like, I definitely see you, Dave Rubin, Blair White, Buck Angel, as much more of these, you know, the sane members of the community.
Especially, like, Doug Smurrey, who, like, disavows almost the whole commu- like, the whole, in general, community, in general.
Or is it- is that too late?
sara higdon
No, that's... I mean, we're trying.
We're trying to.
And actually, me, Blair White, Buck Angel, and Marcus Dibb are kind of working together right now to try to make trans... I actually have a hat coming.
It's a red hat, and it says, make the T transsexual again, because we need to get back to the language that makes sense.
Because again, transsexuals are binary.
And when they changed it to transgender, it moved it into a non-binary system.
And so what you're talking about, the pride movement, is the queer movement.
And so yes, I've been preaching for a long time, and I think we're trying to separate.
And you're seeing a lot of, you know, more LGBT people coming out that are like, we're not, you know, we're not with the queer movement.
And so we are trying to separate, you know, A lot of people say, you know, drop the, you know, the LGB, drop the TQ, but I always keep it LGB and T, drop the Q, because it's the Q that's pushing everything onto, and it's kind of swallowing the rest of the community.
So it is going to take, from within the community, to stand up and drive everybody else out.
josie glabach
Tim, real quick, the Senate just voted to suspend the debt ceiling and cut federal spending.
Biden plans to sign the bill into law averting a U.S.
default.
Stupid!
tim pool
I'm looking at, on Alaska, I'm like, I'm going to go here.
unidentified
No, you don't, dude.
I've been there.
It sucks.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
What's going on over there?
unidentified
It's just an island with, like, a mountain on it.
It's way too small.
The chickens will die.
tim pool
It gets way too- I didn't say I was gonna move there!
unidentified
It sucks.
tim pool
I'm gonna go hang out for, like, a weekend.
josie glabach
Somebody please send $10 for chicken sushi.
tim pool
Yo, they got a Safeway!
serge du preez
Yeah, there's a Safeway.
unidentified
They do have a Safeway.
I've actually been there.
I've serviced the restaurant there.
tim pool
I'm just saying it'll be fun to go there for, like, two days, man.
ian crossland
You won't be there for two days.
unidentified
You'll be stuck there for a week.
tim pool
Nah, we'll get a PJ.
unidentified
You will get stuck there for a week.
It's not the actual location.
It's the weather.
The weather will bank you in.
It always banks you in.
tim pool
You can't fly out?
unidentified
You can't fly out or you can't fly in.
It's one of the two.
It's a three-hour flight out.
They sit there and like circle around for a half hour and then you get to draw the lucky straw and go back to Anchorage.
Which I don't like Anchorage.
We wrote the chat earlier saying how much I don't like Anchorage and I don't live here.
tim pool
All right, okay.
What about Barrow?
serge du preez
I've not been to Barrow, so I won't comment on Barrow, which is now Utigavik.
unidentified
Oh, that's right, that's right, they changed the name.
Yeah, it's right there.
I have not been to Barrow, so I won't comment on Barrow, which is now, uh, Udugovic.
Now, because, uh, he's a man.
tim pool
Oh, that's right, that's right, they changed the name.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, it's right there.
Yeah, so, it's, it's very flat, and it's very cold, or it's very muggy.
tim pool
But it's always summer.
It's always summer at Udegvik.
sara higdon
Except for the picture for Google.
unidentified
Until when it's not.
Until then it's 30 days a night, which is a horrible movie.
Oh, brutal.
tim pool
Alright, what about Point Hope?
unidentified
I've actually heard that Point Hope is beautiful.
I've actually not been there myself.
I've driven by it.
My personal favorite is Talkeetna.
It's definitely kind of like a little hippie town, but it's actually really nice, really kind of nice right by the river.
My second favorite, I'm going to default to where I grew up.
I grew up between like Palmer and Wasilla, which has kind of got like a nice, like 100,000 population.
But you go, there's the mountains right there.
You can easily drive to only like nice fishing spots, rivers, the rest of it.
Goddammit, how did I turn into a tour guide right now?
Wales!
tim pool
That's where I want to go.
The western-most city, right?
sara higdon
Just go hang out with Sarah Palin and, you know... Is that what Wales means?
unidentified
Sarah Palin actually lives off Lake Lucille.
She did not see Russia from her house.
She's thinking of, like, dying.
serge du preez
You're thinking of, like, the dying... Dying means the islands between us.
tim pool
Yeah, is that Russian, though?
unidentified
So, no, there's two islands.
There's two diametes.
One's American and the other is Russian.
sara higdon
Whoa, cool.
tim pool
Well, anyway, what were we talking about?
Because we're getting late.
unidentified
Yeah, goddammit, I love the states so much.
But I was going to talk about, like, so, Yeah, the queer pride movement.
sara higdon
Separating the queer movement from the LGBT.
josie glabach
I'm all about that.
sara higdon
Yeah, it's what needs to happen.
unidentified
Well, because I was also, like, I have gay friends who also, like, they say, like, LGBT sync the T, which is interesting, and I obviously wanted to ask you about that, but it's also, like, Is it even possible at this point?
Is the pendulum now swinging too far to the other side?
sara higdon
I don't think so.
I think actually what you're seeing a lot of now is there are more and more, you know, based LGBT people coming out.
I mean, I see a new...
A new trans person coming out like every day it's a smaller account usually and you just got to be careful with them sometimes but you know because then they sometimes they become grifters but Yeah, I mean, I think it is possible.
I mean, I'm seeing more and more enthusiasm.
I hang out in And actually, the Republican Party in different areas is pulling in their log cabin chapters as well.
Like, I got the bill passed to ban hormones and surgeries in Georgia with the help of the governor because I made a phone call to somebody that I knew and he made a phone call to the governor and we got it passed because he was supporting it on the floor.
I think that they're listening to us and they are taking into account, you know, the LGBT community is here and there are a lot of people that we can prop up.
So if you, you know, even if you're not right-wing, you can go into these different organizations that are very accepting and, you know, help you, you know, and build a movement around it.
Which is what a lot of us are trying to do.
I mean, you have Like I said, we have different organizations popping up.
I think Buck Angel and my friend Laura started, who's a trans woman who's actually in the military, started an organization called Transsexual Unity, which is trying to take it back, you know, trying to take the T back.
So we're just trying to fight to take the T back from the queer community.
And then like Gays Against Groomers is still out there.
There's a lot of different organizations trying to fight to separate the community.
And it's going to take a movement because it's not the gay people on the left that are pushing this.
It's the straight people who don't want to be gay, like Ian.
What was his name from the serfs?
ian crossland
Lance.
sara higdon
I'll take it.
unidentified
I'll take this one.
Damn!
You compared Ian to Lance?
That's pretty rude, sir!
ian crossland
That's my job, baby.
But you think it's a lot of homophobia that's driving people into a rage?
Is that what you're getting?
sara higdon
I think that it's a lot of straight people who are speaking on behalf of the community.
The activists are speaking.
The allies.
I get called transphobic, homophobic, and all the phobics from allies more than I ever get hate from within the community itself, honestly.
josie glabach
And I think that they need to do that.
Like if you even look at the bill in Florida, like they always conflate it with gay people.
That's the thing.
And it's like, it's not.
We're telling you we don't want you to cut off the healthy breasts of a child.
And they're like, why do you hate gay people?
You know, and that's like the first place that they go with it.
So.
tim pool
Yeah.
Anyway, does that answer your question?
I'm just looking at pictures of Alaska.
unidentified
Okay, so more for Tim.
You did, and I really thank you, Sarah, because I know that's not a fun question to ask, especially during the whole Bud Light thing.
I will say, Tim, if you're going to come up for a weekend and you've got to plan it around the weather, which good luck, is Etch Can or Juno.
They're both gorgeous.
But my heart will always be in Big Lake, Wasilla, Palmer.
That's where I grew up.
That's my stomping grounds.
But yeah, Alaska is beautiful.
ian crossland
What'd you say, Juneau?
And what was the other city?
Ketchikan.
unidentified
Ketchikan.
I've heard Juneau's nice.
Juno's very beautiful.
I'm just saying for Tim, because there's no way he's going to take that milk run up to Juno, get to Ketchikan, because otherwise he's going to have to land in Wrangell, St.
Petersburg, and then Juno.
Or he's going to go from Ketchikan to Sitka, then Juno.
I've made that point many times to service all these Safeway locations.
josie glabach
Is Sitka nice?
tim pool
Anchorage looks nice.
unidentified
It, okay, it's a Walmart.
I'm also jaded because I also call it skankerage and shankerage.
tim pool
Yo, they got a they got a Texas roadhouse up there.
unidentified
They do.
We actually have two.
We have one on off of old Seward and one in the cotton comments.
If I will be give you $5 if you can spell to cotton.
sara higdon
He's like an expert on which military bases up there.
I know people that are stationed there.
unidentified
There are multiple.
So which one are you talking about?
sara higdon
I know.
I know the one in Fairbanks is awful.
But the one in Anchorage, I can't remember.
unidentified
Well, there's two.
There's two.
And because you said military, not army.
So Richardson is the army one.
sara higdon
Fort Richard.
unidentified
Uh, Eielson is the Air Force one.
I've been on both.
And then there is JBEAR, which is Joint Base Elmendorf from Richardson, which is here in Anchorage.
There's also, I've actually actually been up to, if you want to look, Google it up.
This is the furthest I've ever traveled for work is, uh, Eielson.
tim pool
It's, uh, Eielson?
How do you pronounce it?
unidentified
How do you spell it?
It's, okay, it's on the island of Shemya, that's S-H-E-M-Y-A?
Yep.
I'm doing this all from my head without going on Google.
tim pool
Got it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Look at that.
unidentified
There is, there is like five military personnel out there followed by a lot of Raytheon to the rest of them.
sara higdon
That sounds like Fort Story, Virginia.
tim pool
That sounds like so much fun.
unidentified
It was an adventure, but you can't go anywhere because it's active bombshells on there.
Oh, I see.
Not active, but they're, um, what's the word?
serge du preez
They're unexploded ordnance?
Unexploded ordnance?
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
Unknown unexploded ordnance.
They're from, they're still left over from World War II.
Whoa.
ian crossland
They just lined the island to protect it or something?
unidentified
Well, if it's right next to where ATSU is, and then we're- Oh yeah, I was looking at ATSU.
serge du preez
ATSU and KISCO are right next to it.
unidentified
Yep.
Cause like, ATSU's right next to it, and just like Sherz was saying, they launched- they launched a major attack onto ATSU.
tim pool
Dude, the transmitter building.
unidentified
And just threw a bunch of shells out there.
A lot of them, because it's World War II technology, a lot of them fell onto Shemya, and they're just kinda like- Yeah, they didn't pop.
Don't go out there, just in case!
sara higdon
That's actually the case at a lot of military installations.
You walk around, like, a lot of places, there's still, like, you have reporting procedures as if you find an unexploded ordnance, like, what to do, because they have to send EOD.
You throw a rocket!
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Do not do that!
That was a joke!
ian crossland
That's a Fallout reference.
tim pool
Yeah.
Some kids fucking have done that so many different times.
Anyway, uh, I think it's time for bed.
So we went late.
unidentified
Thanks for hanging out, man.
Thank you for having me on for so long.
ian crossland
I apologize.
serge du preez
No worries, man.
tim pool
Alaska talk.
I'm like looking at Alaska like, where am I going?
unidentified
Let's go somewhere.
serge du preez
Cheers, brother.
I appreciate the time.
unidentified
Thank you guys very much.
I appreciate it.
tim pool
Have a good one, man.
serge du preez
Of course.
Cheers.
tim pool
Sarah, thanks for hanging out.
serge du preez
It's been a blast.
sara higdon
Yeah, thanks for having me.
This is always fun.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And for everybody who's a member, thank you all so much for supporting the work that we do.
We will be back tomorrow.
We're having the dudes from Brave Books tomorrow on The Culture War, or one of them.
And Josie, I believe, will be joining us as well.
josie glabach
Hopefully.
Fingers crossed.
We're going to find out at the last minute, I think.
tim pool
Because when we're talking about Brave Books, I'm like, well, you've got to have someone who has kids.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Especially a mom who's like, here's what my concerns are.
So it should be fun.
And that'll be up at youtube.com slash TimCast at 1 p.m.
So thanks for hanging out, everybody.
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