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May 24, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Desantis 2024 Launch CRASHES, Trump JR ROASTS Event As "DESASTER" w/Tyler Bowyer

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11:10

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08:10

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's official!
		Ron DeSantis has announced he is running for president.
		He filed earlier today.
		And in a Twitter space, uh, I- we didn't actually get to hear first, because the Twitter space crashed, I think, several times.
		And it dropped down from, like, 700,000 people down to about, like, 98, and then it was around, like, 100 and some-odd thousand, I think, when he formally announced that he was running.
		And, uh, oof.
		Yeah, Elon and Ron are getting roasted over this.
		And I'm not here to drag out those guys.
		I think they did something that was interesting.
		Launching a presidential campaign on Twitter was a bold move, but Twitter was not able to handle it.
		They just didn't have the technology.
		And in this announcement, you got this one dude, I can't remember his name, David something.
		I think he's a reporter.
		He says, maybe this is the biggest room ever.
		And I'm like, Yeah, no.
		Red Bull had like 4 million people watching live when that guy jumped from outer space.
		And we had 200,000 live when Steven Crowder was here in January.
		So the initial announcement could have been big, but I really do think they pulled wind out of their sails and then, you know, it crashed.
		I don't blame them for that.
		They overloaded it.
		It was very popular.
		But it is official.
		We're going to talk about this.
		And I think the biggest critique that I have is, man, Milo was correct about Ron DeSantis and Charisma.
		And we'll get into it in great detail because I do think Ron is a fantastic politician.
		I think he's got great policies.
		I think he's doing amazing things in Florida.
		But there's just something we gotta talk about when it comes to a presidential race.
		So we'll get into all that.
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Tyler Boyer.
unidentified		Hey, what's up?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How's it going, man?
unidentified		Who are you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
unidentified		I'm the COO by day of Turning Point Action.
unidentified		By night, I am the National Committee Man on the RNC for Arizona.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're doing a lot of stuff.
unidentified		Yeah, a little bit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Well, good to have you here.
		That was simple.
unidentified		Happy to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Seamus Coghlan.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'm Seamus Coghlan, creator of Freedom Tunes.
		We release cartoons every week, usually twice a week.
		We're actually not releasing a video tomorrow.
		We decided to push it off till Tuesday because I think that'll give us more time to really improve the quality of what we're working on.
		I also have a podcast called Shamer, which we will be airing tomorrow on Rumble at 6 p.m.
		Eastern.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hello everybody!
		I am Phil Lamonte.
		I'm the lead singer of All That Remains.
		I am an anti-communist and I am a counter-revolutionary and we are here with And I am Serge.com.
unidentified		Rest in peace, Tina Turner.
unidentified		I had to say that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Amen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, let's get started.
		Alright, here's the official story from the Daily Mail.
		Biggest fail in campaign launches in history.
		Ron DeSantis is mocked for shambolic Twitter room presidential announcement with Elon Musk that crashes five times and leaves users bamboozled.
		Yeah, it was around six o'clock, a few minutes before six, I get that notification because Elon is about to start this Twitter space.
		We're really excited to hear this.
		I was really excited to hear it.
		And it started late, and then wasn't working.
		And a lot of people, man, I gotta tell you, I like Elon Musk, he does great work.
		I like Ron DeSantis, he does great work, but I am not going to pull punches on this one.
		The obvious mistakes they were making, they did not properly plan for this.
		I have no idea how it came off so bad.
		For one, I understand if there's more people than you expect, but this is a presidential announcement.
		Getting hundreds of thousands of people was obvious.
		When we had Steven Crowder on this show, we had about 200,000 viewers.
		Now, if you're going to have Ron DeSantis and Elon Musk, you've got to prepare for that.
		I presume they did to the best of their abilities, but Twitter wasn't able to handle it.
		But here's the thing.
		A lot of people were saying, oh, you know, the servers were overloading.
		I understand that happens.
		No, no, no, no.
		Look, some of the problem was, like the main host guy was like, he muted himself randomly.
		And I don't think he noticed he was talking in the mid-sentence, just mute.
		And then Elon unmuted himself while the guy was talking.
		So you got an echo because they were sitting next to each other.
		I'm like, dude, those are production mistakes, not technical errors.
		And if this was done on YouTube, it probably would have had substantially more live viewers.
		I think... I think this is going for a big bang gimmick.
		We'll do this on Twitter Spaces with Elon.
		It's huge for us, but they weren't ready for it, and it really pulled a lot of the wind out of their sails.
		Now, there's a lot of things we can talk about in terms of Ron DeSantis as a candidate, but, you know, what do you guys think?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I agree.
		These are technical problems that should have been sorted out long ahead of time.
		It's kind of perplexing whenever you see a massive campaign that's well-funded and has a lot of backing behind it fail at something so basic.
		I mean, it happens to the best of us.
		Everybody makes mistakes, but it's just such a lost opportunity.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I heard that it was Because they were using Musk's account, because he has so many followers, that caused an issue.
		I don't know how true that is, it's just something I read.
		So I don't know if it's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It shouldn't matter.
		Right, it shouldn't matter.
		I mean, again, if they just did it on YouTube, they'd have a million plus viewers and it would have run fine.
unidentified		Yeah, totally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or Rumble!
unidentified		This was almost Klobuchar Blizzard level, right?
		Let's be real.
		Klobuchar Blizzard level.
		It was near that, but yeah, they should have been prepared.
		There's no question about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now they're getting roasted.
		It is funny, though, that at first the media was like, oh, it's stupid.
		It's going to fizzle.
		Then it got so much attention that it crashed.
		It's a lot of people, man, don't get me wrong.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that it would have been a good thing had it gone properly.
		I think that the fact that DeSantis has totally been ignoring the legacy media, I think that's a good thing.
		I also think that it's good because it kind of puts the legacy media on notice.
		Obviously when you've got, you know, Organizations like Vanity Fair running that headline they did where they say that they should have brought David Duke or whatever.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I was dying.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's ridiculous, of course.
		And the overall tone from the establishment media, the legacy media, is...
		You know, ridiculous.
		So for conservatives to go to them and even present an opportunity for them to cover is almost silly, because you know they're gonna say, oh, well, you're just a racist Nazi, huh?
		So there's no reason to talk to them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When the Twitter space got to around 460,000 people, it was crashing.
		It was crashing well before that.
		But I got in right when it started, and then rapidly it rises.
		I tweeted out, looks like 460K might be the limit.
		This Twitter user, LoftyPixels, responded, YouTube had 750,000 live viewers for PlayStation Showcase today, LOL.
		And posted this video from PlayStation that had no problem with this.
		Let me show you some of the reactions we got.
		We've got Donald Trump Jr.
		saying, hashtag disaster.
		Yikes, man.
		Just give him ammunition.
unidentified		That's a hashtag.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's better than desanctimonious.
unidentified		Way better.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seriously, way better.
		And that's Trump Jr.
		And then I think I got one more.
		Here we go.
		David Wolf tweets, failure to launch crashed.
		Ron DeSantis 2024.
		And sad faces from Ron and Elon.
		Looks kind of like CGI.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it looks a little AI, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, there they're taking, you know, they're not just taking a swing at DeSantis, they're taking a swing at Musk because of the Twitter thing and the whole rocket crashing, you know, making the link to SpaceX and stuff, you know.
unidentified		Well, you brought up something interesting.
unidentified		I think it might have screwed up everything if it was Elon's account that screwed everything up and it switched over to David Sachs.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's what I heard.
unidentified		It changed the whole vibe of the whole thing where it wasn't like Elon asking DeSantis questions.
		It became like David Sachs.
		I got in the middle of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When it first launched, Elon was the host.
		Then I think Sax joined, and they both had speaking privileges.
		And one of the technical problems was that while Sax was speaking, Elon unmuted his phone, and they're sitting next to each other, so you start hearing a feedback loop.
		That's the boomer stuff.
		But for Elon to do that?
		Why did you unmute your account?
		What are you doing here, man?
unidentified		Well, then it became David Sax asking all the questions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but it was supposed to be.
unidentified		And it wasn't supposed to be, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it was supposed to be.
unidentified		Oh, it was supposed to be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, they might say, oh, it was supposed to be Elon.
		I don't see that.
		Why bring in Sachs at all?
		He was brought in before DeSantis.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what is he, like a British journalist or something?
unidentified		No, I mean, he was the CEO of PayPal, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, OK, OK.
unidentified		So they're buts.
		But I mean, the whole thing was sold as like Elon asking the questions, right?
		Like, even like we were going to the war room.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon hosting a space.
unidentified		Yeah, it was supposed to be like the Elon interview type thing, and it didn't really happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it didn't really happen.
unidentified		It was just like softball city.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then after the crash, it was just not good.
		I mean, a lot of people left.
		That took a lot of wind out of their sails.
		I mentioned it yesterday.
		Dude, yesterday we wanted to lead the show off with the Target story, because now it's getting crazier.
		Target is, apparently the CEO issued a statement saying, yeah, we're going to get rid of a bunch of stuff, but we're going to double down.
		Basically saying, we're going to try and hide this from the general public.
		But instead, I'm like, okay, they basically released this launch video, so we have to cover it.
		But then what is there to cover today if not just the same thing we already know?
		Okay, dude's running for president.
		Then, of course, we got lucky in that they failed.
		It's a little mean.
		They did do the space.
		They did get the message out.
		They did get the announcement.
		But I do feel like we got news out of the fact that they kind of screwed up the launch and they lost the majority of the audience that was ready for this announcement.
unidentified		But it was like a snooze fest.
		Yeah, it was this news... I mean, like, you got in there, and you're like, wow, there's nothing interesting here.
		You gotta come with some... Well, I mean, think about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No bangers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I left relatively quickly.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The only news that was there was it being done on a space.
		Everyone knew that DeSantis was gonna run.
		DeSantis didn't have anything, there was no pizzazz to his actual speech or anything.
		So it really was, the interesting thing was the fact that it was on Twitter for the first time and then it went bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They ruined it!
		Could you imagine if Elon abruptly launched to space and then said, Ron DeSantis is making a big announcement?
		That would have crashed all of Twitter way faster than this would have.
		So maybe they're trying to avoid that.
		Even in that regard, DeSantis really screwed this one up, his campaign.
		Because they could've gone on Rumble, and they could've done it with Dan Bongino, and that would've held up just fine.
		But he was like, ooh, Elon Musk, he's big, we're gonna go for this.
		If he abruptly appeared on a livestream with Dan Bongino, And Dan was like, I'm being joined by Ron.
		I don't know if Dan would want to do that because he's more of a Trump guy anyway.
		But if Ron did a show, any live stream, and they tweeted out, Ron DeSantis is here and he's about to make an announcement, you'd get 2 million live viewers.
		Instead, they were like, let's announce it, announce exactly what we're gonna announce, and then have it crash.
		And it's just like...
		They end up with 190,000 or some odd people listening when Ron DeSantis makes his presidential announcement.
		And I was just like, it's good, but for a presidential announcement?
		Come on, dude.
		We had Stephen Crowder in here in January and we cracked that number.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And he didn't even announce he was running for president, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, he was just complaining.
		He was just complaining about internet drama.
		His internet drama.
		PlayStation, like I mentioned, did a showcase of video games at 757,000 people.
		That's brutal, man.
unidentified		Yeah, he should have maybe saved this Elon moment for something that was like really newsworthy.
		You know, like a big deal, like something like the Steven Crowder moment, right?
		Like where everybody's paying attention and they're hanging on every word.
		They could have saved this for something big at the right moment to drop during the campaign, I feel like.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I don't know if this was the moment.
		I don't know if this was like, everybody knew it was coming.
		It's like, they brought nothing to the table!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a bad start.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, do you think it was just an effort to associate himself with Elon because Elon is not necessarily on the right or left but the radical left really hates him and the establishment is trying to fight him or vice versa?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I think what's interesting out of this is Trump versus Elon.
		I think that's a more interesting dynamic.
		I think this is going to be like, I think Trump's going to attack Elon more than he's going to attack anybody else.
		Why Elon?
		He attacks Elon all the time.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't see how that's good in any way.
unidentified		For him?
		I don't think so either.
		I just think it's interesting.
		It's going to be interesting to see him attack Elon coming out of this thing.
		You know who he reminds me of a little bit?
		I don't know if you guys know Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
		Sheriff Joe in Phoenix, where I'm from, remembers every single person that wronged him ever.
		And puts him on a list and attacks that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		Daylights out of him.
		Trump doesn't do that.
		Trump attacks you only until you're nice to him.
		As soon as you're nice to him, then he's buddies with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump is as deep as... Lion Ted to Lion Ted.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, come on.
unidentified		We'll see if Elon brings her out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You can be pro-Trump and still be honest.
		The guy has no principle.
		His principle is winning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's saying, tiny Ron DeSantis.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		After the primary, he's going to say, titan Ron DeSantis.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's a big man.
unidentified		He's a big man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, we all love him.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's a big supporter.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's a big, you know.
unidentified		Always was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, we had that thing where the primary buddy came around.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, this is one of the things Trump really understands about politics very well.
		You know, so many people in media will lampoon him for that kind of behavior.
		The fact that he'll just do a complete 180 on a person.
		And I agree, there's something there that's laughable, but the media does that constantly.
		They're equally shameless.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bill Krispel, I think, called Trump an alpha today, or yesterday.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's so typical.
		What they'll also do is, you know, they will forward a narrative, that narrative will be completely disproven, and then they'll just jump to something else, or sometimes they'll jump to a different narrative, which is completely contradictory to what they were stating their goals are when representing the other narrative.
		So, The media will take advantage of the American people having this short attention span and not considering how current statements line up against past statements, and then they'll laugh at Trump for doing the exact same thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
		We're going to play the announcement for you.
		I guess it's seven minutes long.
		And before I start, I just want to mention we have a super chat.
		I understand that you may have an announcement to make.
		where we at, who said it?
		BeagleCakes says, I don't know who has more charisma,
		Mark Zuckerberg or Ron DeSantis.
		So I mean, it's a little biased start, but let's just play the video for you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Zuckerberg, because he can roll jiu-jitsu.
david sacks ▲ ● ▼		I understand that you may have an announcement to make.
		We've got, I think, a record audience assembled here.
		You know, probably the biggest room that's probably ever been assembled online.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What would you like... That was such a sad statement.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's 102 people listening.
		102,000.
		And is it probably the biggest online, what do you say, ever?
david sacks ▲ ● ▼		Assembled here, you know, probably the biggest room that's probably ever been assembled online.
david sacks ▲ ● ▼		What would you like to tell them?
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		Well, I am running for President of the United States to lead our great American combat.
		Look, we know our country's going in the wrong direction.
		We see it with our eyes and we feel it in our bones.
		Our southern borders collapsed.
		Drugs are pouring into the country.
		Our cities are being hollowed out by spiking crime.
		The federal government's making it harder for the average family to make ends meet and to attain and maintain a middle class lifestyle.
		And our president Well, he lacks vigor, flounders in the face of our nation's challenges, and he takes his cues from the woke mob.
		I don't think it has to be this way.
		American decline is not inevitable.
		It is a choice.
		And we should choose a new direction, a path that will lead to American revitalization.
		We must restore sanity to our nation.
		This means embracing fiscal and economic sanity.
		Stop pricing hardworking Americans out of a good standard of living.
		through inflationary borrow print and spending policies, and please embrace American energy independence.
		This also means replacing the woke mind virus with reality, facts, and enduring principles.
		Merit must trump identity politics.
		We must return normalcy to our communities.
		America is a sovereign country.
		Our borders must be respected.
		We cannot have foreigners pouring into our country illegally by the millions.
		We cannot allow drug cartels to poison our population with fentanyl.
		Public deserves safe communities and law and order must be maintained in American cities.
		We can't have inmates running the asylum.
		We must reject attacks on the men and women of law enforcement.
		We also must reestablish integrity in our institutions.
		This includes the military.
		I'm proud to be a Navy veteran, an Iraq veteran, and I revere our services.
		But when revered institutions like those in our military are more concerned with matters not central to the mission, whether it's global warming or gender ideology and pronouns, Morale declines and recruiting suffers.
		You need to eliminate these distractions and we need to get focused on the core mission.
		We also cannot have true constitutional government if the most significant issues are decided by the whims of unelected bureaucrats rather than the people's elected representatives.
		Re-establishing integrity in our institutions means we must reinvigorate our constitutional system by returning the government to its rightful owners It's still going.
		Oh my gosh, it's only been two minutes and fifty seconds?
		come on without representation truth needs to be our foundation oh my gosh
		it's only been two minutes and seconds you and in Florida we prove we chose
		facts over fear run this nation over indoctrination law and order over
		rioting and disorder we the words are great when right The words are great.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		The delivery.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's like an AI saying it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		It's not even like an AI.
		It's like a text-to-speech, like Microsoft Sam.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, AI probably would have had more inflection.
		... recently ranked number one in education.
		We have a 50-year low crime rate and one of the lowest tax and debt per capita in America.
		But we also understand governing is not...
		He needed a role model.
		That's just wrong.
		a brand or virtue signaling.
unidentified		He needs it.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		It is about delivering.
unidentified		That's just wrong.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		He's all in our results in Florida have been second to none.
		We can and we must deliver big results for America.
		I pledge to be an energetic executive that will take that woke me up.
		Biden's great.
		That was great.
		Policies that are hurting working people.
		We will reverse those policies and we'll build an economy where working Americans can achieve
		a good standard of living.
		Biden's opened the southern border and allowed massive amounts of drugs to pour into the
		country.
		We'll shut down the border, construct a border wall and hold the drug cartels accountable.
		How much time has it been, Tim?
unidentified		Halfway.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		authoritarianism such as unconstitutional covid vax mandates we will ensure that those violations of
		liberty can never happen again biden's allowed woke ideology to drive his agenda we will never
		surrender to the woke mob and we will leave woke ideology in the dustbin of history come on biden's
		also politicized the military recruiting to plummet we will eliminate ideological agendas
		from our military focus the military on the core mission and we will reverse the poor recruiting
		trends finally biden's weaponized the power of the administrative state this is a cruel
		unusual left-wing agenda we will reconstitutionalize the executive branch and we'll bring the
		administrative state to heal now you can't do any of that if you don't win
		There is no substitute for victory.
		We must end the culture of losing that has infected the Republican Party in recent years.
		The tired dogmas of the past are inadequate for a vibrant future.
		We must look forward, not backwards.
		We need the courage to lead, and we must have the strength to win.
		And to voters who are participating in this primary process, my pledge to you is this.
		If you nominate me, You can set your clock to January 20th, 2025 at high noon, because on the West side of the U.S.
		Capitol, I will be taking the oath of office as the 47th President of the United States.
		No excuses.
		I will get the job done.
		Now, these past few years have given me a new appreciation for the fragility of our freedoms.
		I never thought I would see things in America that we saw during the COVID-19 pandemic.
		But our founding fathers were keenly aware of the fragility of freedom.
		When they framed our Constitution, they came to arm with having studied the history of every republic and the history of mankind.
		And they noticed that all of those experiments only had one thing in common, and it was this.
		Every single one of them had failed.
		And so they knew it fell to our country, the United States of America, to determine whether people could really govern themselves.
		Could we have a society based on the idea that our rights are God-given, not government-granted, and that society functions based on the rule of law, not the rule of individual men?
		And when Dr. Benjamin Franklin walked out of that convention, he was asked, did you deliver a republic or a monarchy?
		He said, a republic if you can keep it.
		They knew freedom didn't run on autopilot.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I like the emphasis on you.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You're the only thing he emphasized.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		It's our responsibility to safeguard freedom, and it's our responsibility to do so at this important juncture in our nation's history.
		We have a lot of work to do to ensure the country gets back on track.
		I ask everybody listening to please join me on this mission.
		Please invest in our campaign by going to rondesantis.com and making a donation.
		Thank you, God bless, and I look forward to the discussion.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know what he does.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, I really want to turn it off, but it's like a presidential announcement, so I thought,
		for the sake of hearing it, people need to be able to hear it.
		But dude, I couldn't believe it when he got to the part about a republic if you can keep
		it.
		I'm like, listen, man, I like Rhonda Sanders as a politician.
		He has great policies, doing a great job.
		But holy crap, did they not give this guy one minute of media training?
		Did they not have any kind of campaign coach be like, go watch Captain America one time.
		And just watch any Hollywood movie where the protagonist gives a speech about saving the world.
		Just that.
		In fact, watch SNL as they mock that.
		Look, man.
		The DeSantis people are probably going to get mad because they like him, but I'm not pulling punches.
		I like Elon, I like DeSantis, but that had negative charisma.
		Negative.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		Look, I like DeSantis a lot.
		I think everything he was saying there was spot on.
		Every single word.
		But I'll be honest, I was literally bored to tears.
		I mean, it's remarkable to me that someone who said so many things that were so true, that would have gotten a standing ovation from any group of conservatives who are outside of the establishment, where they just delivered with a little bit More energy could be so boring when addressed in such a plain, monotone way.
		I think that, you're right, he needs media training.
		Again, I'm not trying to be harsh on the guy.
		There's a lot about DeSantis which is really, really great.
		He has to fix this.
		He has to fix this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Guys, I really don't want to play this video for you.
		Because it's just, I don't think Ron DeSantis has the personality for being president.
		But for the sake of just letting you guys watch it for yourselves, this is Rhonda Santis' tweeted out official announcement video.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		Our border is a disaster.
		Crime infests our cities.
		The federal government makes it harder for families to make ends meet.
		And the president flounders.
		But decline is a choice.
		Success is attainable.
		And freedom is worth fighting for.
		Riding the ship requires restoring sanity to our society, normalcy to our communities, and integrity to our institutions.
		Truth must be our foundation, and common sense can no longer be an uncommon virtue.
		In Florida, we proved that it can be done.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The music's bad.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		We chose facts over fear, education over indoctrination, law and order over rioting and disorder.
		We held the line when freedom hung in the balance.
		We showed that we can and must revitalize America.
		We need the courage to lead and the strength to win.
		I'm Ron DeSantis and I'm running for president to lead our great American comeback.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna say something shockingly offensive to all DeSantis' fans.
unidentified		Oh boy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joe Biden's got better presence and presentation than Ron DeSantis does.
		Now, now, hold on there a minute.
		Before you freak out, Joe Biden does have a mental affliction.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which gives Joe Biden the major lead.
unidentified		Makes it entertaining.
unidentified		Yeah, it makes it entertaining.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When Biden says, Bada kaf kare, chunana shabba da pressure, okay, like, we get it.
		That's incomprehensible, mumbled garbage.
		But at the very least, let me play a little bit for you.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		Sanity to our society, normalcy to our communities, and integrity to our institutions.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		Truth must be our foundation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now imagine how Joe Biden would deliver that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We gotta bring some integrity!
unidentified		Some truth!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think I mentioned this before the show, but I think DeSantis needs to be able to announce that he's running for president with at least the same amount of energy that Joe Biden announced he had hairy legs with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we need some actual spirit behind these statements.
		I got hairy legs!
		I got hairy legs!
		Like, he meant it!
		I was like, I believe you!
		I believe you, Joe!
		You're super weird, you're very creepy, but I do believe your legs are hairy!
		Okay, there's some level of enthusiasm you need, and part of the reason that this is So difficult for people is because DeSantis and Trump, even though they're rivals, they've been associated with each other in many ways, right?
		The establishment has smeared DeSantis in somewhat similar ways to the ways they smeared Trump.
		Before they started running against each other, their bases were similar.
		But the thing you got to remember is Trump was an outsider.
		DeSantis is a politician, even though he's not in line with the establishment on many of the things that They want him to be in line with them on.
		He's still a politician and he has that boring political way of speaking and I would go as far as to say it's actually worse for him than it is a lot of other politicians.
		So part of it is we have this expectation sent by Trump that we should have a leader who's really going to be charismatic and energetic.
		And also the fact that DeSantis is even more boring than most other politicians are when he speaks, even though I like what the guy does, even though he's very much impressed me.
		I mean, one of the things he said earlier on, quite a long time ago, is that he didn't want to be in a political foxhole with anyone who wasn't pro-life.
		I think that's fantastic.
		I mean, I think that is fantastic.
		There's a lot he does that's phenomenal.
		But man, you gotta tune the energy up, man.
		Turn the energy up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I have his quote.
		He said, but we know our country's going in the wrong direction.
		We see it with our own eyes and we feel it in our bones.
		I am running for president of the United States to lead our great American comeback.
		If you were to imagine Joe Biden saying that, he'd say something like, but we know our country's going in the wrong direction.
		We see it with our own eyes.
		Come on, man.
		We feel it in our bones.
		Rather, he'd probably say, we feel it in our bigums.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he would say something wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what that word is, but I'm not trying to say that Joe Biden conveys ideas properly.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the emotions in those ideas.
unidentified		He's been doing it a lot longer.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He has a lot of big feelings.
unidentified		Yeah, good old Joe has a lot of big feelings.
		Running big events, we run some of the biggest events at Turning Point, and shout out, we just announced that Trump's going to be speaking at our big action conference on July 15th and 16th at West Palm Beach.
		right before this, but doing this, I think what was the weird part
		Yeah.
		about this whole announcement is you have to warm up the speaker.
		They should have treated this whole thing like it was he was going on stage.
		I mean, they had a video of him going on a big stage.
		It's him in front of a flag without cheering, all of the back, none of it felt like
		there was a big crowd there.
		So they're showing this video of him solo in front of a flag, and they're on Twitter spaces,
		and he came in cold after a technical difficulty.
		Why didn't they have a whole program where it was like, warm-up speakers, get the crowd hyped, add to the... They should have built the thing up to be hundreds of thousands of followers.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I would bet anything that that...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		exact video would have been fine if they didn't use pensive staccato violins.
unidentified		Yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If they'd have had better music that actually had some impact.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, I am telling you.
unidentified		I think the visual of him just like alone though.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee that music was pensive.
		That made people feel anxiety.
		It didn't feel epic.
		Like seriously, that kind of picking, absolutely!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, look, look.
		I think the music is fine, but not with this presentation.
		I think the presentation could work if it had better music.
		You get this really intense BOOM!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		RING!
unidentified		DING!
unidentified		DING!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he's going, we've gotta have truth in our nation!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, they do not go together.
unidentified		Let me point out this one piece.
		You're not able to see him on this Twitter space, which I think is so stupid.
		This isn't the early 20th century.
		You can't see the guy.
		This is basically like radio.
		He's basically an FDR.
		He couldn't walk.
		Maybe he couldn't walk.
		Maybe he didn't have functioning legs.
		We wouldn't know.
		With him, he's using this medium that nobody can see him with a video.
		They should have built this whole thing where it was like his whole production.
		They've had months and months and months and months where it's like he's in a room with a lot of people.
		Why can't you do this whole thing in a room with a lot of people?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		No, I mean, it's a good point.
		I think you were absolutely spot-on when you said there should have been an audience there.
		Energy!
		There should have been people cheering for him.
unidentified		Energy!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		A warm-up act, yeah.
		I'm actually... but this is sort of what I'm saying, right?
		It's remarkable to me when something with so much money and power behind it is done so poorly.
		I mean, these are really basic things.
		You don't have to be an expert political analyst to know that those things would have helped him.
		And not just that they would have helped him, but that they're kind of bare necessities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just, I would've thought they would've at least had some kind of general media training, and what gets me is, that was their finished product.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was them saying, we got it, did we get it?
unidentified		We got it, we're good, we're good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ron, that was excellent.
unidentified		High five.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like when we watch these Biden videos, and they're jump cutting like crazy, because you know the dude is completely incapable of speaking at this point.
		You watch that, and I'm just thinking to myself, they rapped, they went through the edit and said, guys, this is it.
		They could have called him back in and said, hey, Ron, we really need to have a coach here who's going to tell you how to say these lines.
		So like, for instance, when I'm doing, uh, Seamus will ask me to read some lines from Freedom Tunes.
		He's got to be able to tell me how to do the lines because it might say something like, oh boy, I'm going to go buy an ice cream cone.
		And then I say, oh boy, I'm going to buy an ice cream cone.
		And then Seamus will be like, no, say, oh boy!
		I'm gonna go buy an ice cream cone.
		Like, you gotta say it short here.
		Like, you need direction.
		He didn't have it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		When I'm recording, like we're doing a record or whatever, there's three things that the producer's gonna tell me.
		He's gonna tell me either my timing's bad, he's gonna tell me my notes are bad, or he's gonna tell me I don't believe it.
		You gotta believe it.
		You have to be performing.
		If you're up there and you're talking to a crowd, you need the crowd to believe what you're saying.
		They need to believe that you believe it.
		That's the first thing.
		You have to believe it.
		You have to tell them that you believe it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And this is why Trump basically always crushes, right?
		Because he always, always sells that he believes it.
		This is why he can get away with going on television and saying something completely different than he said a few days ago about a particular person.
		Because he believes it both times!
		He believes it!
		Exactly, exactly.
		He's really in it.
unidentified		People likely shows up and just starts talking.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		There's a weird element to that that people like.
		They've liked since day one.
		And that's what lit a fire under people to be like, oh, you know what?
		I don't like Ted Cruz anymore.
		I like Donald Trump.
		That's what happened in 2016.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the Trump camp released a video exactly at the moment, I guess, the Twitter space crashed.
		Yeah.
		So I want to play this for you guys.
		This contrasts the Trump campaign with the DeSantis campaign at the same time that he was launching.
unidentified		The Washington-established politicians like to talk about how they can be just like Donald Trump.
		The truth?
		There's only one Donald Trump.
		Only one who gave us the largest tax cuts in history.
		Who gave vets the health care they deserve.
		And stood up to China.
		And protected your job.
		Only one who kept us out of endless wars while destroying our terrorist enemies.
		only one, who fundamentally changed the Supreme Court, was called the most pro-life president in history, and relentlessly
		protected our Second Amendment rights, and our borders, Why would we ever settle for Trump imposters?
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		Make America Great Again!
unidentified		When there's only one, starting day one, who can make America great again.
unidentified		I'm Donald J. Trump, and I approve this message.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look how like very epic this video is.
		This is not an announcement.
		When Trump made his announcement earlier, it was a lot lower energy, but still better than DeSantis.
		Now, I'd like to play for you a DeSantis War Room clip released just about 45 minutes ago.
		And here it is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		One second, if you remember that music that Trump did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The music that Trump had.
ron desantis ▲ ● ▼		We need an honest reckoning about what happened during COVID.
		And the only honest reckoning is that all of those agencies, all of the elites, the
		public health establishment, they failed.
		They instituted bad policies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why is Elon Musk in this?
unidentified		What is this video?
		This is the weirdest War Room post I've ever seen of anyone's War Room in the history of War Rooms.
		This is crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When that space happened and I got my phone open and I'm sitting in my living room and I'm like, alright, let's hear it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just went, no.
unidentified		They're disconnected.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are you kidding me?
		So a lot of people, I see one super chat, you know, people are saying like, well, but what about the policies?
		We know the policies are good.
		We've repeatedly said, run to Texas, great policies.
		But did Barack Obama get elected on policy?
		Did Donald Trump get elected on policy?
		Sort of.
		Donald Trump gets elected by being authentic, by going on stage.
		And when Megyn Kelly tries calling him out and saying, you call women fat pigs.
		Did he go, well, no, you're mistaken.
		He went, Only Rosie O'Donnell!
		And everyone started busting out laughing.
		He didn't deflect.
		He didn't say, well, that's not true.
		That's out of context.
		He didn't try lying.
		He just owned it.
		He owned that.
		They were in a smear.
		It was like, yeah, Rosie O'Donnell.
		She's like, wow.
		It is impressive to see the media take a swing at the king and miss.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the thing.
		Well, no, I just want to say everyone's going, oh, but his policies are good.
		His policies are good.
		We know.
		That's why this critique is important, because we're saying we want the policies that he's going to promote in this country to flourish.
		And in order for them to be able to do so, he has to be elected, right?
		And whether he's elected in the primaries or whether he runs for president later on, whether it's the 2024 cycle or 2028, this guy has to do something about his presence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Barack Obama blew up kids and got reelected.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when you come and you're like, but the policies, I'm like, no, I know the policies are great.
		We can praise them all day and night.
		I can say it over at best governor, best policies, fighting ESG, fighting the wokeness.
		Man, I love that stuff.
		And then he goes up on stage to speak in front of a bunch of Americans who don't pay attention to politics, who don't know anything about policy.
		And he goes, I think truth matters in this country.
		And they're like, who is it?
		It's boring.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's boring.
		Barack Obama was a celebrity.
		He got elected because he was charming.
		Look at Trudeau.
		They said Trudeau got elected because women found him attractive.
		Or I'm sorry, I should say women voted for him.
		Many said they voted for him because he was attractive, he was dreamy or something.
		He did that yoga handstand on the desk and he's a surfer and they're like, oh wow!
		People don't look to leaders based on doing deep analytical research on their policy positions.
		They vote for them if they have charisma.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		And by the way, I think it's a good thing.
		All the elections today are decided by low propensity swing voters and swing districts and swing states.
		So when you want to break this down, Republicans are going to vote for Republicans, Democrats are going to vote for Democrats, and you have this fragment that exists of people who really don't want to vote And the Democrats are chasing down those voters and those ballots better than we are.
		So it's like, who's going to hype up their people more and give people more energy to go actually chase down those ballots and build that?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		So you might be sitting there saying like, well, I vote based on policy.
		Yes.
		No, me too.
		That's what you should vote based on.
		Guess what?
		That's not why most people vote.
		So, we gotta figure out what makes most people vote, what makes somebody win, and then if you want DeSantis to win, if we want DeSantis to win, we gotta find a way for him to cultivate those things if those policies really matter all that much to you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's charisma.
		If you have charisma, you can, you'll...
		Be able to convince voters.
		You can convince voters without a message.
		That's what Hope and Change was.
		That's what Make America Great is.
		It's an empty shell that people can fill with whatever they believe is important.
		You can take this message and then you get to go ahead and put your values into it.
		So really all you need is Riz.
		All you need is charisma.
		All you need to do is be able to convince people.
unidentified		Someone said on Twitter, we lost Tina Turner and Ron DeSantis on the same night.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
		Oh, they come in threes.
		I'm just surprised that when you look at Barack Obama, how he ended up winning, how Democrats often win, right?
		They got to be charming.
		They got to be charismatic.
		Bill Clinton, you've got to come out there and you've got to speak with passion.
		Joe Biden, Is good at faking the passion.
		And using his dead son as a political tool to earn sympathy.
		And this guy is evil as they come.
		DeSantis seems like a good guy.
		But nobody went to him and said, we're gonna get you some training?
		Nobody said, hey, that was a little dry, can we try it again?
		He had nobody sitting there being like, when you say freedom, say FREEDOM!
		Don't say FREEDOM!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Freedom!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Freedom!
unidentified		Well, what concerns me more is that nobody was on his campaign, and I know some of the people that run his campaign, great people, but nobody was on his campaign that went, Hey, maybe we should really turn this into a really well-planned event, as if it were live.
		We shouldn't build this thing out to make it seem like it's much bigger than just the Twitter space.
		Because we can make it seem like everyone's listening on Twitter, but that it's a bigger thing that they're not there or part of, and now they're part of something that's bigger.
		That would have been a bigger, grander plan.
		I mean, it just goes to show that the energy's not there with Ron DeSantis, but the energy's not there with his campaign and the people surrounding him that are figuring out what actually works with the MAGA base that they have to try to court, which they're not doing at all.
		That's how you have to win.
		You have to pull away some votes from Trump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you've got DeSantis basically saying what Trump is saying.
		In no way saying... The only thing he's offered as to why he's better than Trump is that he doesn't think Trump can win.
		It's like, okay, if that's your attitude, then people are gonna be like, okay, I'll take either one.
		You're not making the argument for, vote for me because I'll win, you're making the argument of, either way it doesn't matter.
		It's ridiculous.
		If he's like, well, I think I'll win, it's like, okay, your policies are the same?
		All right, see you in November.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's also not a mistake.
		This is a mistake the Republicans have made in the past.
		We saw this with the lack of a red wave during the midterms.
		The entire Republican narrative was red wave, red wave, red wave, there's going to be a red wave.
		And so there wasn't any actual unified messaging about anything else.
		And they just assumed that they were going to step in there and claim all these victories.
		I think DeSantis is probably making the same assumption based on his behavior.
		He's thinking, I'll just step into the ring against Trump and I'll win because I'm more electable.
		Well, dude, you got to work up to that.
		You can't just make that assumption.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Milo was right when he came on the show and he said that Ron DeSantis had the charisma of something off-putting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like when you reach for something and accidentally touch something moist, like a wet sponge.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I would go that far.
		He really bored me.
		He was saying things that I completely agree with.
		I should have been cheering for that speech and I was yawning.
unidentified		Honestly, that's what he's being told to do though, right?
		They're like, we need to win female voters back.
		We need to win moms back.
		Well, guess what guys?
		In a primary, if it comes down to men vote for Trump and women vote for DeSantis, Trump's going to kill DeSantis because more men are going to show up in the primary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, but a lot of The women who are voting are not going to just be for DeSantis because DeSantis is calm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they're primary voters, it could be a coin toss.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then guys are more likely going to be attracted to the gruff, aggressive attitude.
unidentified		Alpha male.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it could be a coin... If all DeSantis is rolling for is maybe people would prefer my attitude more.
		And I said it before, right?
		If we had someone as good as Trump but with a better demeanor, it'd be great.
		But Ron DeSantis doesn't have the leadership charisma to win.
		Now, if he wins the primary, he's got my vote, no question.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think his policy is fantastic.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		His policies are only mediocre, in my opinion.
		If you look at Trump's announcement, the ones that we went over the other night, I have significantly stronger preference for the stuff that Trump was talking about than DeSantis.
		DeSantis gave the Standard Republican stuff.
		I mean, it was as as boilerplate, boring, everyday Republican as it can get.
		And that's I think that's because he's trying to say, look, I'm not as extreme as Donald Trump.
		Even though he's gonna try to attack Trump from the right, apparently, that's the goal, I guess.
		But even still, if you look at Trump's, the list that Trump gave the other day that we were going over, compared to DeSantis, I think that Trump is actually offering better, has a better grasp on the things that I'm interested in, like really tearing up the bureaucracy.
		Whether or not he actually will do it, I don't know.
unidentified		I was at Mar-a-Lago for Trump's announcement, and I remember everybody going, Wow, he came in really soft.
		He was so soft.
		I don't know if you remember, he talked in a really low voice.
		That's because Trump needs to be more soft.
		Ron DeSantis needs to be more alpha male to sell himself, and he didn't really produce that tonight.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so you made an interesting point, Phil, about the fact that DeSantis is going to try to attack Trump from the right.
		And this is what always happens during primary seasons, right?
		When Republicans primary, they try to be as far to the right as possible so that they can appeal to the hardline conservative base.
		And then when people on the left are running in the primaries, they're as far left as possible.
		And then when whoever is selected is in the national election, I don't remember saying all those things or those things aren't relevant, whatever it is.
		But with DeSantis, part of what's really a massive weakness for him is the thing that he was best on.
		The thing that the American people were most impressed with him about was his response to COVID.
		Now, unfortunately, It is the case that while, at the time, the things DeSantis was saying were completely unorthodox, the establishment entirely rejected them, most Republicans would not want to associate with you if you were saying those things, because the political science has changed, to quote DeSantis, these are perspectives that you're allowed to have.
		So that takes a lot of DeSantis's edge away, unfortunately.
		Even though he was on the right side of this virtually the entire time, because the status quo has changed, he doesn't seem like an outsider anymore.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
unidentified		And that's what happened to Cruz, right?
		Cruz was the outsider in 2016.
		Cruz was the outside guy.
		Everyone was like, oh, I want to vote for Ted Cruz.
		It's a little bit naughty, you know, with all this, because the establishment was going to attack every single person that supported Cruz.
		Cruz had this massive following.
		I think he had the most small donations.
		Hey, one Iowa, it ended up just being barely, but he had all the most small dollar donations, and then all of a sudden it just imploded because all these establishment guys dropped out, dropped out, dropped out, started supporting Cruz.
		Well, guess what?
		If establishment guys are dropping out, and all these consultants in all these different states are trying to get contracts, they're not going to Donald Trump for the most part.
		They're going to be going to Ron DeSantis' group.
		And he's going to have a plan to deflect these people, and there's no plan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Last year I was saying that I was leaning towards DeSantis.
		I was ready.
		I've never been a big Trump guy.
		Trump wouldn't stop talking about me, me, me, and talking about what was taken from him.
		He needs to get back on that message of this is what they took from you.
		He needs to get back on the message of, with your help, my election brought you a better economy, safer borders, better jobs, et cetera, an end to Middle East conflict.
		And then they took that all away from you when Joe Biden became the president.
		That's his angle.
		After this launch, I'm leaning towards Trump.
		Trump's the guy who's going to go in and clean things up.
		But you know, detention maybe.
		At this point, I'm like 85% for Trump because it just...
		the inauthenticity of it.
		The Twitter space was scripted.
		His speeches, they're scripted.
		Donald Trump is a guy who just gets up there and starts talking.
		And then they go, oh no, he's going off the prompter again.
		He's ad-libbing.
		And he's funny.
		Trump is funny, he's personable, and he's got some... Look, he's certainly crass and crude, and can be very insulting to people who are mean to him.
		But what I'm trying to say is, when he gets up there and talks, he talks from the heart.
		And he just goes for it.
		DeSantis gets up there and he reads from his piece of paper, in a very stiff and robotic way, and then says, thank you, and then walks away.
		And I'm like, I don't even know if you mean it, like you were saying about singing, gotta believe it.
unidentified		Well, I mean, every single politician in 2016, I was chairman of Maricopa County of the Republican Party, Maricopa County.
		We hosted Trump for the, what became the first Trump rally.
		And I got a chance to meet every single candidate that ran back in 2016.
		And we remember we had like 16 of them or something.
		I can't remember what it was, 15, 16.
		And every single person that you meet, typically in politics, is totally inauthentic.
		They suck.
		Even Ted Cruz, he wouldn't even talk to people.
		He'd sit in the back of his car with a driver playing Plants vs. Zombies the entire time.
		And it's like, Donald Trump, when you meet him, he shakes your hand.
		I like your tie!
		I like how you do things!
		Tell me about your life!
		Let me see your kid!
		Let me hold your kid!
		Is this your grandma?
		Oh, she's so sweet!
		She has softer hands than you!"
		Stuff like that.
		And you like the guy immediately!
		And there's nobody within politics thus far that I've ever met that's that authentic that actually cares about you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anybody who went to a Trump rally saw it.
		When the rally ends, he walks up to the barricade and starts just hanging out with people.
		And I was like, how does this guy have the energy for this?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And that's the thing about Donald Trump, right?
		He really is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of political leader.
		There's nobody who I'm aware of in American political history who's even remotely like him.
		He's very unique, for better or for worse.
		Some people don't like that.
		I like that a lot.
		And there's not going to be another guy like him who comes along.
unidentified		No, you're right that people can learn from this.
unidentified		It's like, guys, learn from it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And that's what I would also say is if you're heavily invested in DeSantis and your position is DeSantis is way better than Trump and you believe that, okay, then you should want DeSantis to learn some of that charisma so that he has a fighting chance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But don't sit around and act like there's not a problem when there is one.
		There is a charisma problem with DeSantis.
		I like him.
		You can't pretend that's not true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's bad.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It will do no one any favors to pretend that's not the case.
		It's like the Democrats who were trying to pretend that Joe Biden didn't have dementia when he was running in the primaries.
		You can't not acknowledge this because this is going to get him torn to shreds on the national stage.
unidentified		So I think Trump, I've said this to people before, I think Trump is like Reagan on steroids.
		What people liked about Reagan was that he would get up, he'd make jokes and people were like, Oh, he kind of reminds me of like my friend or my grandpa or my uncle, like that makes jokes all the time at Thanksgiving.
		And like, I like that about him.
		And like, Trump is like, like Reagan on steroids when it comes to that.
		But it's, why don't people, I don't understand like how somebody running for president and it's like, you don't learn from at least pieces of that, elements of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Studying from any other president in history?
unidentified		Yeah, just like the successful ones that do well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Florida's never had a president, have they?
		I was reading something that said Florida has never sent a president.
		I changed my mind then.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They're overdue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They are due, but are they the generals or are they the Globetrotters?
		Man, it just bums me out to see such a lost opportunity.
		First impressions can be everything, and probably in a political campaign, Your announcement speech needs to hit heavy.
unidentified		Heavy.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this was a... I mean, first of all, like you were saying, it's just there's no video?
		What is it like, radio?
		It's like the advent of radio?
unidentified		It's like FDR.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean... They really did not think this through.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's plenty of time.
		There is plenty of time.
		He could turn these things around.
		That's also why constructive criticism is valid and important.
		Like I said, if you really like DeSantis, you should really be willing to hear these criticisms, and the people at his campaign should, too, because I think this is what the guy needs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they are.
		I don't think they are.
		When I tweeted innocuously about Jazz Jennings, because they're living in Florida, and I said, where's DeSantis?
		His press people started attacking me on Twitter, calling me a grifter.
		They're so out of the... I can't believe how bad this is.
		No, I'm sorry.
		I can believe it.
		It's just, somebody's telling him, like, here are great policies, here's what the people want, he's like, great, and then he goes on stage and goes, wah, wah, and then his press people are like, no one better insult Ron DeSantis.
		Okay, well, if your immediate reaction to any light criticism is to start insulting those, you may as well just be a Democrat, you may as well join the left, because your candidate's never going to improve, and you may as well just be a cult.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You made an interesting point about charisma.
		You said it makes you feel like that person is your friend.
		I was thinking the exact same thing a little bit earlier.
		People don't realize this.
		Having that charismatic power is something that a person might see as a thing that a politician needs, and therefore a politician's trade, and something that actually sets you apart from ordinary people.
		But it's the exact opposite.
		When someone isn't charismatic, They come off like any other politician.
		And people aren't as patient.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fake.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And they're not as interested in hearing what they say because it comes off, like you said, as fake.
		Just comes off as, you know, this guy's reading off of a script.
		I'm not doubting DeSantis' sincerity.
		I think he believes everything he read there.
		I'll say it again.
		I like DeSantis.
		But he really has to work some energy up.
		He really needs to get some coaching on how to be more charismatic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nobody in this room needs a script to explain their position on the border, on crime, on war, and on woke ideology.
		No script.
		And, in fact, if you were to go up to anybody in this room, in the public, and say, give me your thoughts on modern politics and tell me how you feel, it might start soft and then it'll slowly escalate as we get more impassioned and pull out that anger of the things we're frustrated with, the things we want.
		The average Trump voter could do a better job.
		In my opinion, you take a random Trump voter, put him on stage with a microphone, and say, rally the people and tell them why you're mad.
		And it's going to be some middle-aged, you know, factory workers that say, I lost my job when they opened up those borders and they bring in non-citizens to reap the benefits of my labor and then put me out of work!
		And the crowd goes, wah!
		They're screaming.
		Ron goes, our borders are open and we shouldn't allow- oh man.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it's a lack of sincerity.
		I think that there are just some people who are more monotone.
		Their temperament is such that when they say things, it's less exciting and interesting.
		Again, I think that's something you can work on.
		I think that's something that could genuinely improve.
		And by the way, room for improvement is not just a euphemism for you're bad at this.
		It means you actually could become better.
		I think the Santas could become better at this.
unidentified		You brought up a really interesting point, which kind of overtures with what we were talking about, which is this should have been programmatic.
		There should have been someone warming the stage up.
		They should have built this thing to like a million concurrent listeners or whatever.
		They should have set a goal, like a bar, like, hey, we're not going to send them out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They shouldn't have announced it.
unidentified		They should have announced it.
		It's just got this thing like, organically, everybody get on Twitter right now.
		But look, You said something that's really interesting.
		Donald Trump has done since day one, our very first rally, which turned into what was the first Trump rally, he, his team, and I think this is Corley Lewandowski deserves a credit for this.
		They had invited angel moms, which were the moms for everyone's listening.
		Everyone here knows this.
		The moms who had a child die at the hands of an illegal immigrant.
		And that happened in Arizona.
		The first rally was on illegal immigration.
		But he had invited those people.
		So before he got up, they had done exactly what you said.
		They appealed to the audience.
		And they're like, Oh, wow, I've never seen a politician do this before.
		So by the time they got up, everybody was in the room like he did.
		They could have done that.
		Again, lessons learned.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They could have said nothing.
		Posted no videos.
		They should have done it on maybe Joe Rogan, if Rogan would have him, but like a big show, and it should have been on a platform that can handle it.
		And then what happens is one hour before the announcement, they tweet out, Ron DeSantis could tweet, I am joining whatever show to discuss, you know, to discuss a big change in my life.
		Tune in.
		You'll get a mix of people saying, is this gonna be an announcement?
		What's going on?
		It's gotta be the announcement.
		Two million, three million people would be watching, and then you would say, you guessed right, I am announcing I'm running, here's why.
		That could have at least made up for some of the charisma gap.
		Instead, they did this wonky, poorly planned thing, and I mean poorly planned in the sense that they announced in advance, or it was leaked in advance, then they put up a video, so it told all the wind out of their sails.
		A bunch of people probably said, okay, I don't need to watch it, I already know, he already announced.
		Then they had the problems on the stream itself, You know what I think?
		I think they're sitting in their planning room and someone goes, what if we announced on Twitter with Elon, oh that's a really good idea, let's do it!
		And Elon's like, sure, okay.
		And then they didn't.
unidentified		No planning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No planning, no tag, no program.
		You gotta think about what happens before, you gotta think about what happens during, you gotta think about what happens after.
		When we do shows like this, let me tell you my friends, we have, I believe, four different internet systems.
		I'm not gonna say too much more than that for security reasons, but we have backups upon backups upon backups.
		Now, people have pointed out, they're like, Tim, your shows have had problems before in the past.
		Uh, yeah, technical issues do happen.
		We've had our backups fail.
		We've had weird technical issues.
		No problem.
		We are not running for president!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, and when I- You didn't raise a hundred million dollars for this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seriously, we don't need billions of dollars.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're doing an internet live stream show on YouTube.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are backups for this live stream show, and when I do finally formally announce my candidacy for president of the United States, we're gonna make sure the infrastructure's in place so that it doesn't cut out or crash.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone said that he did take authenticity training.
		Let me double check that.
		Is that true?
unidentified		Someone said he should have gone on Alex Stein's show.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He failed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seriously?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If he went on Alex Stein or Glenn Beck, it would have been way bigger.
unidentified		I mean, my biggest takeaway from this whole thing is exactly, I think, what the natural, which is like, how is Ron DeSantis going to be able to hold up throughout this race with Donald Trump?
		And what's so sad about this, which I think really the undertones of everything is, is that I think everybody wants Ron DeSantis to succeed.
		I think everybody wants Ron DeSantis to be around in 2028 and 2032.
		And to learn from it, and to pull from the base, and listen to the base, and listen to the grassroots.
		But everything that this is looking like is that it's the opposite.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't care who it is.
		I want the person that's going to go into the government and harm the bureaucracy as much as possible.
		I don't want someone that knows the ropes or whatever.
		I don't care what they know.
		I want them to know that they're cutting Bureaucracy that they're getting I wanted to get rid of cabinet level bureaucracies cut them get rid of the entire Department of Education like like make real as massive stance Substantial cuts and if DeSantis is gonna be like what we'll go in and we'll go ahead and we'll change some people around No, not good enough for it.
		I want cuts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want serious hacking with a machete to the federal government But I don't know that Donald Trump will do that either, necessarily, but I do think he'll get revenge on the bureaucrats.
		So I don't know what Rich Bear said, but I did find a tweet from David Marcus,
		who said, this is the most embarrassing thing that has ever happened to a presidential candidate.
		It's not close. Just hold a rally. Yeah, man.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's move on.
unidentified		Or do this at a rally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, seriously.
unidentified		Just could have done it on Rumble.
unidentified		Do a massive rally that's like, oh my gosh, this is like Trump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the reality.
		If they did it on Rumble, I think it would have been a lot bigger, but probably still would have crashed.
		I'm not trying to be mean.
		We use Rumble infrastructure.
		But this is a heavy undertaking.
		If they just did it on a YouTube show, they would have been the official social media launch instead.
		But let's jump to the story from the Daily Beast and get a little bit more positive, I guess.
		Target removes Pride merch after right-wing media throws hissy fit.
		Hissy fit, they call it.
		So Target's being boycotted.
		They announced they're going to be removing a lot of their Pride section, hiding a lot of it.
		But the CEO then says, don't worry, we're going to keep our commitment up.
		What they're basically saying is regular people have come in and expressed disdain.
		So they need to hide these products.
		But publicly into the world, they're going to make sure everybody knows they're still doing it.
		This isn't just a couple stores in the South.
		There's a systematic attack on the gay community happening across the country.
		Wake up America.
		This doesn't stop here.
		You're black.
		You're Asian.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You're Jewish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're a woman.
		You're next.
		So, I would just like for everyone to consider, very briefly, what Gavin Newsom just said.
		That Target will remove all of their women's clothing.
		Because they're patriarchal or something.
		No, you can't shop at Target, it's only for men now.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, Tim, I mean, it makes perfect sense, right?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's nothing that people who don't want sexual perversion forced onto their children hate more than Asians, I guess.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Did the Daily Beast Did the Daily Beast consider it freaking out when you had to go to the Supreme Court to decide if a man could say, no, I don't want to endorse your marriage?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Of course the Daily Beast didn't freak out over that, but this is it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Was that freaking out?
		They say Republicans are freaking out?
		They took the guy to the Supreme Court!
		Was that a hissy fit?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, hold on.
		If it's a hissy fit, then is it not also a hissy fit to say, oh, you don't want sexual perversion forced on your child?
		You must hate Asians and black people!
		You must hate minorities!
		What are you talking about?
		Wow, what on earth are you talking about, Gavin?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The hissy fit was a couple weeks ago in Nashville when a trans person went and killed a bunch of Christians, right?
		That's the hissy fit.
		Give me a goddamn break!
unidentified		No, it was a hissy fit when they were burning down Minneapolis, remember?
		And store owners were like, oh my gosh, how am I ever gonna rebuild?
		And they were calling that a hissy fit, too.
		It's infuriating.
		This is all a big...
		You know, a charade of calling us out for when we get upset.
		But the reality is that they've learned from the Bud Light thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I think something happened.
		They said there were confrontations.
		I think regular parents, that we don't know these stories, I don't think there's videos, I think regular people walked in and saw the weird sexualized stuff for kids and said, hey, what are you doing?
		I'm not bringing my kids here.
		And so the left keeps trying to argue that none of this is inherently sexual when quite literally LGBT is a reference to a person's sexual proclivities.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Literally!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when they put that in a display with children's clothing on it, expressing these ideas, Imagine if they had a bondage section for kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying they're identical, these things, right?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Both are perversions.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Both are sick perversions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not saying that.
		You can say that.
		What I'm saying is, there's a difference, but they're both sexually themed things that in and of themselves don't directly show sex.
		What I mean to say is, telling someone that someone is gay They're going to ask a question.
		Okay, well then, what does that mean?
		It's like, okay, well, now we're going to get into the birds and the bees.
unidentified		Sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Showing someone bondage gear, you say, this is just chains and silly clothing.
		But what is it for?
		Okay, now we're talking about the birds and the bees.
		Actually, we're talking about kink.
		So in some ways, a lot worse.
		Imagine if they put items on display which were intended for use in a sexual context.
		Parents would be like, no, that's what the left is trying to lie about.
		They're saying it's not inherently sexual.
		We've seen the videos from Pride where the guy's wearing the Bugs Bunny mask and jumping
		around naked.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		If it wasn't inherently sexual, they wouldn't be so obsessed with trying to force it onto children, and they wouldn't lose their minds when adults push back against it, because the thing they claim is being attacked is their sexuality.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, here's what I think happens.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		If this wasn't sexual, it wouldn't be the hill they were dying on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I think happens.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think regular people walk into Target, see it, and go, kids, no, we're leaving.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
		Here's what, really, I was thinking about this today, about the whole thing.
		Remember the days when we just got upset that they were putting Christmas stuff out, like right after Halloween?
		And now it's like, I don't even know what is LGBTQ month.
		Apparently it's June, so this is why it's out.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's coming up, mark the calendar.
unidentified		But guys, it's not even June!
unidentified		So they're doing the same old... It's like...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, June is actually American Greatness Month.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's actually the month of the Sacred Heart and then July is Maga Month.
unidentified		Yeah, Maga Month.
		But this is what's so crazy.
		It's like you're seeing this and I think it's mind-blowing to me that people who can't have kids, you know, want to exploit All of the LGBTQ community to kids.
		It doesn't even make sense to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's bizarre.
		I think they crossed the line.
		I think these corporations, they've reached the point where regular people are just saying, we are not accepting of this.
		We don't care if you're privately in your own home.
		We don't care if you want to live your life and be happy.
		But you started putting on a prominent display in front of our children.
		You started having people do sexual things in the streets at these pride parades, which they do.
		You had, I think it was in Florida, they said you can't have adult shows for children, so one town cancelled their pride parade.
		What were they intending to show kids at these pride parades?
unidentified		But why are they so obsessed with kids?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of... They're saying the quiet part very loudly is what's happening.
unidentified		They have no interest in... There's a whole play of like, oh, we're just trying to open up the eyes of children that we don't want to have.
		The vast majority of any gay couple that exists Doesn't have kids.
		They have no interest at all.
		And so this isn't a lifestyle.
		This isn't a simple lifestyle conversation.
		This is literal straight up perversion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just trying to take advantage of... But the main point here that I want to make sure we're on is the victory of the boycotts.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		that Bud Light is reeling, and they're not getting these sales back.
		Bud Light was trending today to an absurd degree.
		I mean, it was hundreds of thousands of tweets over Bud Light, and their stock has dropped again.
		The stock for Bud Light is now lower than when it started this year.
		So there was a period where I was like, it'll go down, but it'll probably go up because all stocks typically climb.
		But the backlash is getting worse for Bud Light.
		Now you've got North Face doing something similar, but they've been doing this for a while.
		The fact that North Face is on their, I think it's their second year doing this drag promotion, and now people are getting angry.
		And I'm like, I think the camel's back broke.
		I think regular people for a long time said, we'll tolerate it, but we don't like it.
		And then one day they walked their kids into a Target and saw this stuff and got angry.
		And they said, that's it.
		No, none of it.
		None of it at all.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, somebody was explaining the whole distribution thing to me, that part of the reason why they're seeing the spike now with Bud Light is that the distributors finally have... It's a wave.
		Yeah, they've got the max.
		It's just all sitting there, and they're like, no more, finally.
		So it's a lagging effect here that's going to get worse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The first thing that happens is that consumers stop buying, and then distributors don't reorder.
		But if some of the beer expires, they may reorder.
		Now they've got stacks of expired beer, Bud Light's offered to buy it back.
		They said they will buy back the expired beer from these distributors, which is crazy.
		Because why would the distributor buy new ones?
unidentified		Yeah, the distributor's like, I'm not going to just have it sit and take up space.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'll go bad again, and I'm not getting my money back.
		So you can have it, but I ain't buying more.
		So it's a delayed reaction.
		Eventually it makes it to the distributors who say, we're not buying it.
		And then Bud Light sales get way bad.
unidentified		So Target, who knows?
unidentified		Maybe they won't put out Christmas stuff after Halloween now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's difficult because some people have no choice.
		You know, when it comes to beer, you buy beer frequently if you drink beer, and there's not really strong brand loyalty, so it was the perfect boycott.
		Target, some places only have Target.
		If you live in some suburbs, you have nowhere else to go, Target's your place.
		If you can, however, avoid it, I recommend you avoid it.
unidentified		And you're breaking, you know, these habits of, like, my wife, you know, ends up in Target four times a week, and it's like, now you gotta break that habit, so, you know, gotta That's not gonna work.
unidentified		That's not gonna work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, look, I don't care if there are people who say they have no choice and
		they have nowhere else to go.
		I'm not going to cry that they go to Target.
		It is not the same thing as Best Buy.
		So I think the fact that Target's—I'm sorry, as Bud Light said, Best Buy—I think the
		fact that they've already decided to start taking things down shows that they got impacted
		outside of any real conservative boycott.
		I think regular people started complaining.
unidentified		Well, someone brought this up today too.
		It's like, you know, the Target card.
		You know, a lot of, again, a lot of wives have a Target card.
		That's their credit card of choice.
		You know, just go with your wife and shut down the Target card.
		That's your first step.
		So say, hey, we're going to shut down the Target card tonight.
		Shut down the Target card.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Target cart?
unidentified		The card.
unidentified		The credit card.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, just get rid of it.
unidentified		Shut down your Target card.
		Get that done tonight.
		You can do that in two seconds.
		Just pay it off.
		Say, I'm going to pay it off.
		I'm going to get you a new credit card.
		It's going to be a beautiful credit card.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What about Walmart?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are they woke?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think that the founders or the heirs were Christian, but I have no idea if they're still a good organization.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		They found some stuff in Walmart.
		There were some posts, but they were just kind of ducking and getting it off the shelves real quick.
		It was books, I think.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it wouldn't shock me.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's all so swampy these days.
unidentified		But Walmart's really good about, like, Really blending with the with the local community.
		So I'm sure it's more liberal and more liberal communities and a way more conservative So they'll have like Christian books up front and like, you know, I know in Utah.
		Yeah, they have Mormon books up front like I bet my guess is it's probably a little bit more liberal liberal communities targets just like They push everything the same.
		Yeah interesting so I just saw this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Someone from the New York Times is reporting that when DeSantis was on with Trey Gowdy, he finished it up talking about the Federal Reserve and that he was talking about the Jerome Powell.
		And as part of his campaign, he intends to blame the Fed money printing for laying groundwork for inflation, which is, I mean, that should be obvious.
		And any president that doesn't lay that out is suspect.
		I don't know that Trump would.
		He might sit there and continue to boast about all the money printing, which is a terrible idea in my opinion.
		But I, personally, I find things that are, you know, criticism of the current monetary policy compelling, personally.
unidentified		DC Drano hosted a live right now on our Twitter space and it's been going 50,000 strong for like, I don't know, a long time.
unidentified		I don't know if it's like an hour.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		55,000.
unidentified		It hasn't dropped at all.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But as for Target, I mean, go to Walmart.
		It's the same thing.
		Just less Connecticut.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why are they in Connecticut?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's just, Target, like, Target is, to me, Target is what Walmart is.
		It's just, like, the Connecticut version.
		Connecticut's nose in the air, kinda.
		Southern Connecticut, all the wealthy people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's jump to this story.
		We got more good news for everybody.
		Black Lives Matter teeters on the brink of insolvency after an $8.5 million loss in 2022.
		You know they made something like, I think, $77 million in 2021 or something like that?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So BLM's near insolvency?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Dude, racism stock is gonna be through the roof.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		They only raised $9.3 million in 2022, down from $77 million in 2021 and $90 million in 2020.
		That is a massive collapse.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're going to spend the next year advocating Donald Trump to get the racism up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They say Patrice Culler resigned as Executive Director in May 2021.
		The public learned she spent $3.2 million on four separate homes on top of other lavish expenses.
		Prior to her resignation, she was accused of funneling $230,000 to a company that belonged to the father of her child.
		Well, there's a bunch of nepotism going on in here, but hey man, look, this is good news, right?
		People aren't donating anymore.
		This is a lot moving into a 2024 election cycle.
		If they had 90 million in 2020, and then two years later they're down by 90%, that means the sentiment among regular people is not favorable for Black Lives Matter, and it means that many of these people may be waking up or may just be like, we're out of this, we're not going to be involved.
unidentified		And corporate America, right?
		Because they got a lot from corporate America, which is really important in this case, is like the flip around on this with corporate America is really important for the future of the country.
		And maybe, maybe there's some hope there.
		I don't have a lot of hope for corporate America, but maybe there's a little bit of hope.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Things like ESG make it difficult.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's this period, if we pull this up on Civics, you can see that around, in 2019, there was a flip.
		The majority of people now started to support Black Lives Matter after George Floyd died.
		It spiked at 52%.
		But now, 43% oppose 41% support.
		And among independent voters, 45% oppose, and it seems relatively stable, but it's spiked a great deal.
		And that's the riots.
		The rioting made independent voters say, you know what?
		I do not support this group.
		Which is really great news for the Republicans.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How many people lied because they were afraid they'd be called racist for saying they don't support Black Lives Matter?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Do you know the history of Black Lives Matter, where it came from?
		Trayvon Martin?
		So yeah, it actually got its start with student government in Missouri.
		So when the whole thing happened in Missouri, way back, what thing in Missouri?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ferguson.
unidentified		Ferguson.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
unidentified		And there was a student government, a student body president, I think it was a young black man, they started a campaign basically using student government funds.
		I was just like, because they have slush funds at all these big universities.
		And that's where the name Black Lives Matter came from.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It started well before that.
		And he got picked up by... Black Lives Matter started with Trayvon Martin protests in New York City, I think.
		Pretty sure.
		So the Ferguson stuff was a couple of years later.
unidentified		But they basically turned it into like a movement that they funded across all of the different universities, the student governments.
		And then that ended that kid in this White House with Barack Obama.
		His name was Peyton Head.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		When did Patrice get involved?
unidentified		This was later.
		So then they formalized that as an organization, but it's still the, the, the tiny legs that it had were funded essentially through student government, which was a really interesting tidbit, which is a really important reason why you can't let these, these universities just kind of run rampant with this thing.
		Yeah, I remember in roughly 2013 when I first heard it, 2014 when I first heard it, it was definitely Trayvon Martin.
		At least that's what gave it legs on the nationals.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it started July 2013 with the use of the hashtag Black Lives Matter on social media after the acquittal of George Zimmerman.
		Yeah, because I remember I was down there in New York when I was covering those protests when all that went down, and that was the beginning.
		And then there was some other guy who created something called Black Lives Matter, I think, before all of them, and they shut his... They just hijacked it all.
		Yeah, they stole it from him.
unidentified		But the money that got behind it was originally from just like they latched onto it, identified it and said, this is something.
unidentified		And so they took a bunch of student government money, which is they were able to do across the country, landed at the White House, solidified it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think for Democrats, they're like, oh, we can get votes from this.
unidentified		Totally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's play that game.
		This is a lot about the current state of politics in this country, though, if BLM is officially not in anymore.
		People aren't donating, so that's it.
		We're going to be moving into a new era.
		I think I'm fairly optimistic, especially with shows like this on the rise.
		I mean, look, if Tucker Carlson goes independent, launching his own network or his own online channels, the rise of Rumble, Elon Musk buying Twitter, I think it's all looking fairly positive.
unidentified		Yeah, they can't shut things down.
		Last minute on us.
		It's cool.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's hope.
		Yeah.
		No, I mean, it's it's it's an you have to be remarkably financially irresponsible to
		mess a grift like that up.
		You are the face of give me money if you're against racism.
		Anyone in corporate America who wants to be seen as virtuously contributing to the anti-racist
		cause has to give money to me.
		How did you go broke?
		How how did you go broke?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were spending a lot of questionable sums of money.
		Yeah, exactly.
		Hiring family members.
		I'm and their cause is a scam anyway.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Well, exactly right, because there's never going to be any end point for them.
		At what point?
		I mean, come on.
		At what point was Bill?
		I'm going to say, all right, we solved racism and I will and I will and I will clarify that
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		statement anyway.
		I am saying the idea.
		That has perpetrated, what did that kid say, 30% of black people are killed every year?
		These ideas of this mass systemic inequality is just completely untrue.
		Is there racism?
		Yes.
		Is there racism in government?
		There is.
		Are there racist people?
		Yes, there are.
		To the degree that they've brought it up, it's not true.
		George Zimmerman was a Hispanic guy.
		So this whole idea is launched off of this idea of racism from white people and it's
		like you mean when that Hispanic guy fought with that kid?
		Like what are you talking about?
		Or when Michael Brown, it's confirmed by the Eric Holder AG, that he did not have his hands
		up and fought the cop?
		Like we get it, men.
		We don't want innocent people dying, especially based on race.
		But the premise of what you're donating to doesn't make sense.
		But hey, I don't know what they did with it.
		They're getting flak because they bought this big house.
		But if they bought a house to do a studio or something, what are you gonna complain about?
		I don't think anybody who donated to BLM is crying about it right now.
		Some people maybe, but most people are probably fine that they donated to them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		$1.5 million went to Patrice's brother for security.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		$1.5 million for security.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you gotta ask, so there are questions about they said they didn't want to do traditional security or
		police because of the distrust around policing.
		But people think these sums of money means she wrote a check for a million and a half bucks to a guy
		and then he bought a Ferrari. No, no, no.
		This could have been licensing equipment, staffing.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, she also gave a guy $970,000 for live events, or the organization gave for live events, and everyone's like, oh, that dude probably didn't see that money.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Organizing live events is very, very, very expensive.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I just want to mention something, because Tim, you said that, you know, the people who donated to BLM probably aren't too upset.
		I just want to let everyone in this room know that We've all donated to BLM because J.B.
		Pritzker gave $300,000 in federal COVID relief money to BLM.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if you live in Illinois.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But no, it was federal COVID relief money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that went to him from the federal government, they said.
		And Pritzker said, you know what?
		You know how we're going to relieve people of COVID?
		Giving money to BLM?
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
		I can tell you at Turning Point, running a large nonprofit that we've been very blessed to raise a lot of money.
		We've hired and staffing... We've staffed thousands of people over the years.
		We have right now and staff hundreds and hundreds of people between our organization.
		Building that within a year, You know, where did all that money go is a really great question because, I mean, we're not talking about $10 million.
		We're not talking about $15 million.
		We're talking about literally they were in, they had transactionally hundreds of millions of dollars that they had access to essentially in capital that they worked with.
		Where did all the money go?
		That's a great question, right?
		Because they didn't... Where are all the staff?
		Where's the BLM staff?
		I know what it cost to put on a massive live event.
		I know what it cost to put on these huge things.
		They didn't do any of that.
		So, you know, what we know of is just a very small sliver of what really bad things that probably did actually happen because you don't know these things when C3s, C4s, they file this stuff away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even convinced BLM did anything untoward in a certain sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You give them money, they can do what they want with it.
unidentified		There's no way you can build a $100 million organization in basically a year or two years.
unidentified		That's what they had to do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, the same people were involved since 2013.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But they built the actual organization within a year after getting all that money.
		Because they were just taking in money based off of the news and the climate and from corporate America.
		They just didn't have the capability of actually building this thing, so it's not a surprise that they've completely failed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but I think that the important takeaway, as I mentioned earlier, is whatever it is that's resulting in people not wanting to give BLM money is going to have a similar rollover effect on everything else.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I think there's a lot of people who are wising up, you know, we were skating in Hagerstown, I mentioned this the other day, and a bunch of local suburban Maryland people were like, yo, crime is getting out of control, what's going on?
		And then these people started talking about gun ownership, gun rights, and I'm like, there it is!
		2A's gonna be stronger, Trump's gonna win, and it's because these suburbanite people are tied to the violent crime and the cops are doing nothing about it.
		What do you do, though?
unidentified		Right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If your neighborhood is falling to crap, eventually you have nothing to do but just ask that question.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you end up voting for the right guy.
unidentified		All roads lead to the same place when you're, you know, when you have a, actually the constitutional principles being followed.
		And that's part of the reason why they want to destroy all of it.
		That's why they want to subvert all this with, you know, crazy stuff.
		Like, you know, I saw some things on national popular vote, not to take us off, but rank choice voting, this stuff is really scary because no matter what the public sentiment is, they're trying to subvert whatever that is.
		That's, that's the future.
		That's what we're up against right now in the United States of America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they were winning.
unidentified		Last 10 years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think there's bad stuff going on, but the bad stuff is just accelerating regular people waking up.
unidentified		Hopefully, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about Joe Biden's broken brain.
		From TimGuess.com, 7 in 10 independents are worried about Biden's mental fitness.
		Worried about?
		How about convinced there is none?
		He doesn't have mental fitness.
		They say a new poll has found that nearly 7 in 10 registered independents are worried about President Joe Biden's mental fitness ahead of the 2024 election.
		This is NPR PBS NewsHour Marist.
		Pollers on Wednesday found that 69% of registered independents believe his mental fitness is a genuine concern, while 27% believe his mental fitness is being used as a campaign strategy by opponents.
		I love this.
		Because the way you frame a question always matters.
		If I were to ask the average person, do you think Joe Biden's brain is broken?
		I bet 70% say yes.
		If you were then to ask him, is it a concern?
		70% say yes.
		You see how they do this?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine how people can have any kind of awareness of the president and not say, well, it kind of, you know, Listen to him, you know, I mean, that's that's your standard kind of the reply that you would expect from the average person that doesn't pay a whole lot of attention to politics.
		If you've only got, you know, if you dedicate 15 minutes a day to watching a little bit of news, so that way you feel like you have an idea about what people are talking about and you hear Joe Biden.
		Twice a week?
		You can't feel confident that this guy's, you know, laser-focused on what's going on.
		I can't imagine how that is, and obviously it's showing in the polls.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I just don't know how you could have seen Joe Biden say anything in public and not be worried about the status of his mental health.
		The best, the best the man does at public speaking is Slurring his words instead of constantly gaffing.
		I remember when we watched his State of the Union address about a year and a half ago, and it was probably the best he'd sounded in the last year and a half, but he did sound drunk the entire time.
		I'm not saying he was drunk, I'm just saying his brain operates in such a way.
		That when he speaks normally he slurs his words to the point where he sounds intoxicated.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that one of the one of the negatives about the way that the Twitter space went today is I don't see a convincing Argument to get the president on a Twitter space had this gone perfectly and it been great and and hadn't everything worked fine Then you could then you could argue.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we have to get the you know, get more presidential candidates on the more you get the more pressure it is on Trump and and Biden I would like to see that happen but I feel like that was probably the biggest the biggest negative about this is the fact that it's it's It doesn't lend credibility to independent media and stuff the way that that I had hoped that it would.
unidentified		Well, Joe Biden would benefit from this like FDR did.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There is no way Joe Biden.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Joe Biden again.
unidentified		I mean, I would watch him wander around stage for an hour.
		But I mean, this is like, I was thinking about this today.
		What greater, you know, this is the BLM crossover here.
		What greater vision of white privilege could possibly exist than the media and everyone else covering for Joe Biden and Hunter Biden?
		Like literally they've been trying to indoctrinate our kids.
		All of society, basically, on this false notion of white privilege, and you've got an old guy in there that just wanders around stage, they run cover for him the entire time, his son is like literally the worst presidential kid ever to exist in the history, should be in jail for the rest of his life, and they're not talking about white privilege now?
		This is crazy!
		It's a wild thing.
		He's like, he's like the ultimate nepo baby that's ever existed.
		Seriously.
		Yeah.
		And so Joe Biden though, Joe Biden is benefiting from like the nepotistic elements of media where like they're covering for him because he can't literally conduct himself in a, in a public setting.
		It's crazy.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Hunter Biden is really a remarkable character.
		He is a caricature of what Republicans suspected a Democratic president's child could get away with.
		Like, really?
		Smoking crack?
		That sounds like a joke, right?
		The man got on national television and said he has spent more time picking through the carpet for anything that even remotely resembles crack cocaine that he smoked more Parmesan cheese than anyone you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's not even talking about his dad's mental health.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		His dad's mental health should be disqualifying.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Incompletely!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember when Nancy Pelosi was preparing the 25th Amendment Committee or whatever?
		And everyone's like, it's for Trump!
		And then they went, wait, no, it's for Biden.
unidentified		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I mean, the man is... But that's white privilege, my friends.
		I mean, the guy is getting away with, like, the kill shot white privilege out of the left.
		We should be demanding they hold themselves accountable to white privilege at this point, since they've spent so much time on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just embrace the white privilege narrative, but focus on Joe Biden.
unidentified		Just focus on Joe Biden.
unidentified		Yeah, just use it against them to destroy it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That could help someone like Vivek Ramaswamy.
		But then there'll be like, but Trump's an old white man, too.
		And it's like, all right, well, then why don't you talk smack about both of them?
		Yeah, but the reality is the left doesn't like Joe Biden anyway.
		Liberals are the ones who vote for him.
		But I don't think anybody actually likes him.
		I think they're just like, we'll take any warm body over Donald Trump.
unidentified		Yeah, you're right, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They wrote that article.
unidentified		Vivek should focus exclusively on this kind of stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's his campaign.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's totally opposed to it.
unidentified		That's why he should focus on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He should take advantage of it and be like, I'm going to win because you're going to demand that I win, and then I'm going to change the laws and take away the ability of this to happen again.
		That'd be great.
		In the meantime, we have to hope that Joe Biden doesn't accidentally, like, press the button or something.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		That wouldn't even be that much of a scandal.
		They would try to spin that, too.
		Like, it was a mostly peaceful nuking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I bet Kamala Harris is the actual president.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because he keeps calling her President Kamala.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		President Harris.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think it's far more likely that Barack Obama's phoning it in than Kamala Harris is doing it.
unidentified		I'm deathly scared, you know, being the Arizonan here, I'm deathly afraid of this concept of potentially Kyrsten Sinema replacing Kamala Harris.
		What do you mean?
		There's something really funny going on in Arizona.
		You mean like when Joe runs, Sinema's going to be the... She doesn't have a real shot, I don't think, at running for Senate.
		The pathway's not there unless there's something that's totally crazy.
		So it's like, what is she doing?
		She has way too much money.
		She's loved by the Chamber of Commerce.
		She's loved by the establishment goons.
		I'm really afraid that they're going to just do this switcheroo, the swapperoo, and involve her in some way.
		Because again, you have to look at the map.
		You guys have talked about it here.
		You talked about it with Charlie, which is part of what we talk about.
		Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia is everything.
		Yeah.
		So, like, getting Arizona taken care of basically takes the map off the table for the Republicans.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then people hate Harris.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They despise her.
unidentified		They hate her.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You put in a Sinema and she's lukewarm.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But a lot of people will be like, okay, well, Biden's incompetent, but Sinema's, you know, eh.
unidentified		She's cool.
		She's whatever.
		Right?
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then I wonder if you have to have a DeSantis just because Trump, I don't think Trump can change his standing with the American people.
		You either like him or you don't.
		Some people are either for his policies or they're not.
		I think enough people would be in favor of Trump at this point, but he's got maximum name recognition.
		Everybody knows.
		And so if DeSantis is an opportunity for something new, I think he kind of blew it today, but I still think he can recover.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of time left here, but it's an eternity.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, at this point, I heard someone talking about it today.
		At this point in the 2008 campaign, it was Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton that were obviously going to be the people that were- Giuliani, they thought that?
		Yeah, at this point, this far out, they said that Giuliani and Clinton.
		No one could figure out, you know, it was like obvious and blah blah blah and then this young senator from Illinois popped his head up and...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, Hillary was so pissed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was her turn.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then Obama beat her.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		They didn't have their ducks in a row at the DNC.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Well, they still don't, I guess.
		I don't know if anybody actually in government has their ducks in a row, be it the committees or the PACs or the campaigns, the parties.
		It's all just insane nonsense.
unidentified		Well, the DNC controls the process now after that happened.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's why Bernie came.
		The DNC has had their finger on the scale for the DNC, definitely since Donald Trump was elected.
		Donald Trump beating Hillary Clinton was not supposed to happen.
		And after that, Federal government has had their finger on the scale as much as they can.
		They have been pumping out as much propaganda to all of the legacy media establishments that will take it.
		The government looked at Donald Trump and said, this is a really bad thing and it's been doing its best to make sure that Donald Trump can't get elected again.
unidentified		Well, a lot of that comes down to the unpreparedness that the Democrats had in Michigan, which again, you want to bring up things that will never happen again.
		They will never let Michigan slide out of their hands again.
		It would take a whole lot.
		It would take a massive, massive undertaking, a massive army for us to win Michigan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But is Michigan one of the principal states we've got to win in 2024?
unidentified		It's one of only six or seven that matter.
		And you look at what they did with the election law in Michigan, basically making it impossible for us to overcome cheating there, manipulation, not to get too far into the weeds.
		But I mean, they spend tens of millions of dollars on ballot chasing, ballot harvesting.
		And until the right can match that, you're not going to get close enough to be able to even think about overcoming in the manipulation that they do in those states.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's go to Super Chats!
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		We're gonna have a members-only uncensored show coming up for you at about 10 10 p.m.
		You don't want to miss it, but we'll read your Super Chats for now.
		We got Max Dali says, head greater than heart, substance greater than sentiment, DeSantis 2024.
		It's a great slogan that will not play at all for the average American who only really cares about how you sound on stage.
		It's unfortunate, but it's true.
		So what we need in a president is someone who is clearly a charismatic leader who understands the policies, the position, the culture war.
		We're not trying to get the B-team.
		I would take someone who's great with policy over someone who just spoke well any day of the week.
		We need somebody who speaks well and knows the policies so that we can win.
		That's a leader.
		What do we got?
		Purple says, Twitter space, low energy, basic answers.
		I agree.
		Very low energy.
		Bramit says, I just want to know how you could not call the pumpkin coffee Hocus Bocus, the spiced pumpkin brew.
		Ooh, that's good.
		Mr. Bocus pumpkin spice experience.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Focus with Mr. Bocus will be a medium roast, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what we're working on.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, Tim, sir, Mr. Poole, I loved your North Face segment.
		I agree.
		Once they started targeting children, they ripped the fence out from underneath us.
		There will be a reckoning for the line.
		Yeah, my point was basically this.
		I don't care if North Face wants to do a Drag Queen promo, I just won't buy North Face.
		But now that they've moved beyond that into targeting kids, I'm like, nope, nope, nope, nope, all of it, none.
		It's basically like, I'll put it this way.
		Dude shows up to your party, you don't know who he is, and you're like, okay, look, I don't know this guy, but, you know, my friend brought him over, it's fine.
		Once the dude starts going over little kids and trying to sniff them, we say, get out, get out, get out.
		We were fine with you here, but now you're doing the weird kid stuff, out of the building, go home.
		That's how I feel about it.
		Where are we at?
		Dylan Binkley says, on the show the other night, you brought up Governor Gianforte legally defining gender in the state of Montana.
		You should have Rep.
		Michelle Binkley on and talk about Montana politics more in depth.
		Love you, Tim.
		Sounds good.
		Are you Dylan Binkley related to Rep.
		Michelle Binkley, perhaps?
		We'll see.
unidentified		That's the kind of Riz energy that DeSantis needs.
		Get in there.
		Promoting his own family.
		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Robert Bradbury says, let's go Ron E.D.
		take down the guy that tried to violate 2A with the bump stock ban.
		I think he lost that one, though.
		The bump stock ban thing?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, they're illegal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The court struck it down, I'm pretty sure.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You might be right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just that the stores that sold them no longer sell them already.
		So they did what they needed it to do.
		Angela Richter says, why would he phone in his announcement?
		It was horrible.
		If I were him, I would say it was all a joke and hideout.
		Yikes.
		TRX Pet Shop says, DeSantis should wait his turn.
		He would be a great president in 2028.
		What's the deal with Carrie Lake's lawsuit?
		Does Tyler have any pets?
		We are an anti-woke alternative to Woke, Petsmart, Chewy, and Petco.
unidentified		I've got pets.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what's going on with Carrie Lake?
unidentified		Well, first off, I have a Golden Retriever and I have a Wirefox Terrier, but they're both Gilligan and Skipper.
		Carrie Lake, so just talked to Carrie's team, you know, been big allies with Carrie throughout this election.
		You know, she just, you have to understand the courts are not our friend.
		You're not going to get, we're not going to get where we want to go in a state like Arizona where you have Establishment control for 50 years.
		I mean, we're talking 50 years.
		McCain machine has installed all of these judges.
		Judges work their way up the ladder over the course of their entire lifetime.
		And so if you're expecting the courts to be your friend in a place like Arizona or Texas, it's just not going to happen.
		And so it's kind of a mistake.
		It's a flawed strategy, in my opinion.
		I just don't think it's going to result.
		It's not.
		It's not resulting for Kerry.
		We know that they did a lot of wrong things.
		And unfortunately, we don't have attorneys.
		We don't have a legion of attorneys who are going to step up.
		They're going to basically have the intestinal fortitude to fight the good fight until losing their law license like the left out.
		And that's where we're at right now across America.
		That's just not an Arizona thing.
		That's across America.
		So, you know, we're going to have to take some significant strategy here.
		And I think this is part of, you know, I'm on the RNC.
		The RNC, I've been very vocal about this, has not done its job with producing the hundred plus attorneys that we need that can go fight the good fight and build our own Perkins Coy.
		We just don't have it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Matt Burkhart says, all these Trump supporters roasting Ron are actively pushing for Democrat wins for years.
		Trump will lose to Biden again.
		Killing Ron's momentum will leave ours with nobody else.
		We are telling you, Ron DeSantis lacks the charisma to win.
		It doesn't matter what anyone else says.
		It doesn't matter what Trump supporters say.
		I'm telling you, you can't have a guy get up on stage and say, truth matters, and freedom is worth fighting for.
		Because people are going to be like, what's he talking about?
		You gotta get up there and go, the truth matters in this country.
		You've got to have some emotion.
		Maybe not Trump, but you've got to say, listen, in this country, truth matters and freedom is worth fighting for.
		That's why I'm here.
		He can't even do that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I'll say this.
		I have no idea.
		I mean, maybe DeSantis could win with his current level of charisma.
		I'm not making any predictions about the future, but what I will say is if you really like a candidate and you want to help make him stronger, constructive criticism is an important part of that.
		And what I am saying and what I've said repeatedly is I like DeSantis.
		I like a lot of what DeSantis has done through his entire political career.
		Even before COVID, I found him interesting and liked the things that he said.
		However, That doesn't mean he's perfect.
		And one of his flaws is a pretty major flaw, which is that when he speaks, it's not all that engaging.
		We can say that to him with the hopes of him working that out in a way that makes him more electable without being against him.
		In fact, quite to the contrary, we want him to improve as a candidate.
		That's why we're saying this.
		At least that's why I'm saying this.
		I want DeSantis to be as successful as DeSantis can be.
		And I think that pretending that he doesn't have a charisma problem isn't going to help him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How do you practice charisma?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How do you get better at it?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but I do know that there's a reason that political leaders will spend obscene amounts of money with people who coach them to try to become more charismatic.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And I would suspect that's because they see results.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There are channels on YouTube.
unidentified		Hmm.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like I'm not trying to be so harsh on on DeSantis I guess my point is just I the thing is why I find myself loving Just so much of what he says is really great Like I like what he says and I like a lot of what he's done.
		I think he's been one of the He's one of the few Republican leaders that we've seen in the past decade.
		He's been one of the best Republican leaders we've seen in the past decade.
		And I think that it is a shame that that message is going to be lost on so many people because there are people who support him and around him who are invested in not having him hear anything that will cause him to want to improve his delivery.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I would want to push back on that a little bit because I don't feel like he says anything that's new.
		I don't think that... I totally disagree.
		You think that he says new things?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mentioned this earlier.
		Where he was on COVID was so far outside of the status quo that at the time it was very much a new thing.
		Now, because he was clearly on the right side of that issue, he's at the disadvantage of being so correct so soon where it doesn't even seem like an interesting position anymore.
		But I think that's a good thing.
		It means he moved the goalposts in the right direction.
unidentified		Hey, even Michael Scott took improv classes.
		Ron DeSantis probably needs to take a few improv classes.
		Realize you can be funny without being funny.
		Meaning to be funny, which is like Trump does a lot of that, right?
		He's just funny.
		He's just a funny guy.
		He gets up and starts talking and improv-ing his speeches and people are like, I like that guy.
		He's kind of funny.
		He's kind of normal.
		He's weird like my uncle or like my grandpa or whatever.
		But you can also be funny, like Reagan was funny, where it was like he was classically trained.
		He was an actor, right?
		He was an actor.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's even like regular speech.
unidentified		I feel like even when I just speak to people in general, just normally talking to them, I have more inflection and more character.
		He just seemed flat and monotone like he was reading, like right off the prompter.
		And I don't know, that doesn't really sit well with me or most Americans these days, you know?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I just don't have any kind of particular allegiance to Ron DeSantis.
		I know that there are people out there that are like, you know, he would be more electable than Trump, etc.
		And I don't think so because even if he were to take the nomination, the entire establishment and all of the propaganda that comes along with it is going to be turned against him and they're going to demonize him in the exact same way that they did Trump.
		All of the pieces are in place to make Ron DeSantis worse than Donald Trump.
		They've already started saying those things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think Bill Kristol called him a beta.
		He called Trump an alpha.
		Like what was that even?
		That was kind of weird.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's like some weird, like what is he some like 30 year old guy with a podcast in the nanosphere?
		This guy's a beta.
		Don't give me that red pill crap.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's bank account noticed a significant decrease without Donald Trump in office.
		And that's all it is.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, but you know, it's also personality like people watch your show because they're just like look I Like that person.
		I like that vibe that he puts out and it's consistent and it's and it there's there's a normalcy to it that like people just have Like normal quirks about them when you have a politician that isn't quirky That doesn't have things that you can see and you can follow and you can get every time that you you turn on the TV basically People start to lose interest.
		And that's the world that we're in today.
		Totally.
		Especially in a post-Trump world.
		Is there like... I turn on the TV because even if I don't like Trump, he's hilarious and he's quirky and he's weird and I'm going to get something out of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tripwire says, don't get me wrong, I love what DeSantis has been doing in Florida, but he did say if Trump ran in 2024, he wouldn't.
		His campaign to be is founded on a lie.
		Makes me now wonder if all he has done was just pretense to run for POTUS.
		Yep.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of people were like, he's just throwing you red meat.
		He's telling you what you want to hear.
		That way he gets elected.
		And then it's neocon city all over again.
		I'm not saying I believe it to be true.
		Because he actually did these things in Florida.
		So you know, we got what we wanted.
		We got everything.
		I just don't think he has the charisma.
unidentified		But Trump cleared a lane for him in Florida.
		I think that all the missiles were directed at Trump and Mar-a-Lago in Florida, where it's really alleviated and created a pathway for Ron DeSantis.
		And again, the unwinnable subject matter here, Florida for Democrats, has allowed it to cut off here.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		I was just going to say this last point.
		The Democrats pulled out of Florida in 2022.
		Like, let's be real.
		All of the groups, the big groups that are over the top of the DNC, they pulled out of Florida.
		And part of that is Trump, and some of it's DeSantis, but a large portion of this is Trump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		DeSantis won't last 10 seconds against the corrupt Democrat party.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're going to eat him alive.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, and this is something that people are saying is like, well, you know, Joe Biden wasn't very charismatic.
		Why would DeSantis seem to be charismatic?
		I think we can all agree, without even having to get into too much detail, that Biden had certain unfair advantages that DeSantis is not going to have.
		The entire dominant media culture was on his side.
		They literally published an article saying, this is how we coalesce to ensure that this guy would get elected.
		No one's going to do that for DeSantis.
		They're going to work against DeSantis.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		They said, stay alive, Joe Biden.
		All we need is your corporeal form.
unidentified		That's right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And also, like, I want to make it really clear.
		I am not making any election or any predictions about the election or who's more electable or how it's going to pan out.
		I am just saying it doesn't hurt anyone for DeSantis to become more charismatic.
		It does not hurt anyone.
		And it could become it could be massively instrumental in ensuring that his message is heard and taken seriously by a larger percentage of the American population.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Eric Cecil says, pretty ironic you're criticizing Elon and DeSantis for a few glitches on Twitter, on a Twitter space, when you couldn't even set up audio at a bar in Austin, Texas for the entire event.
		Also, Trump can't beat Biden, DeSantis will.
		You weren't running for president!
		I think it's pretty funny that...
		Comparing a 12-way microphone setup, because it wasn't just people on stage, with multiple cameras and a sound system for a live event and livestream, comparing that to three guys sitting in a room with their phones sitting in front of them is remarkable.
		If we were going to do TeamCastIRL on Twitter Spaces, I'd put the phone right in front of me and I'd press play, and then we'd talk.
		That's it.
		Now, I understand there are issues with the entirety of the Twitter infrastructure and what it can handle, that's fine, but the fact that Elon unmuted his microphone while the guy sitting next to him was speaking, causing a feedback loop, and then the guy mutes his account mid-speech, those are human errors.
		And, like Shaman said, We're not running for president!
		Our budget for this thing was like $30,000.
		like it was like twenty or thirty like it was like thirty thousand dollars
		we're not launching a multi-billion dollar presidential campaign
		but you know what I'll still give you credit.
		We should have better audio.
		You know?
		But come on.
		DeSantis is running for president.
		And what do we get?
		This placid announcement phoned in.
		It's remarkable.
		No event.
		No peep.
		No video.
unidentified		That's because people around him are telling him, be more boring.
unidentified		They're telling him to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because of because of Trump being too bombastic?
unidentified		Yeah, but again, I think the the real optics of this is Trump needs to be more boring.
		Right.
		But Ron DeSantis needs to be more vivacious.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess I'm gonna have to run, you know, because I'm the only person I believe can do it right now.
		I would never go anywhere near that.
		I think Trump's the guy right now.
		Trump's the guy who's going to go and just fire everybody.
		Yeah.
		There's no guarantee he does.
		We may look back on an episode like this and be like, man, were we wrong?
		Trump brought the swamp back or something like that.
		Who knows?
		But our best bet in my mind, based on the data available as of this date, May 24th, 2023, is that Trump is the guy who is most likely to fight.
		Biden's going to hire more.
		DeSantis may, but probably will negotiate Trump fires.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I hope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No says, please someone bottle this, it's better than melatonin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well yeah, you know, tonight after the show I'm going to play DeSantis' announcement speech so I can get to bed early.
unidentified		Yeah, put us to sleep, that's for sure.
		Yeah, it didn't hype things up ahead of time.
		I was really hoping that we'd go into this whole thing with a really big hype story with this and it was a snooze fest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Calisthenics Earth says he would have been much better off just announcing it on an interview with Jon Stossel, have it released with the full interview being dropped, uh, that dropped yesterday.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He could have just made a Twitter video and it would have been a better launch where he's like, hi, I'm announcing I'm running for president because truth matters.
unidentified		Hey, at least Jon Stossel has that like dateline over the top voice, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was good.
unidentified		Exciting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Good dude.
		Michael Page says, Ron DeSandman.
		Oh boy, here come the memes.
		John Jones says, Ron DeServer crashed.
		Clintus says, who are Ron DeSantis' donors?
		Who are they?
		Ken Griffin?
unidentified		Ken Griffin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Big one.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sad- what does it say?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Saddle effing Tramp says, DeSantis' campaign announcement was making his appeal to a jury, not a mob.
		He needs to appeal to a mob like Trump can.
		If they're really telling him to be boring, man, this will be the shortest campaign ever.
		It'll spiral out.
		Because people are not- you can't keep people's attention.
		Part of what helped Trump win was the negative press.
		His name constantly being in the media no matter what.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		MSNBC gave him, what, like a billion dollars worth of time or something?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		CNBC gave him, I think, five billion dollar equivalent, they reported.
		In just saying his name non-stop.
		Aaron says, give me Vivek Ramaswamy.
		Bring policy and delivery.
		Seriously, he's great.
		Yeah.
		Jake says, it's incredibly ironic that a Santa's colors Biden's vaccinated is unconstitutional, but went out of his way to preserve Florida's law, allowing police officers to forcibly vaccinate civilians.
		That doesn't sound real.
		Do they have that?
		That's crazy.
		TheGreatAnywho says he has the perfect lawyer voice.
unidentified		Hmm.
		I don't like hearing from lawyers.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		N. Espos says, I don't understand.
		Is it Trump or nothing?
		DeSantis was the first yes politician that saved my job.
		The first yes politician?
		No other politician, including Trump, did that.
		Focus on policy, not fanfare.
		Spoken like someone who is smart, but not good with people.
		So many Republicans have that logic, but no feeling, no emotion, and they don't get it.
		Democrats know emotion is everything, they invest in it, and Republicans are like logic.
		Republicans are the ones who are going to go out and be like, if you vote for me, I'll explain to you in this three-point plan how we bring back jobs to your neighborhood.
		Now, the big thing you're facing is overtaxation, which drives corporate, and they're going, huh?
		Then you get Barack Obama and go, can't we do it?
		Yes we can!
		Everyone starts screaming, that's all he says.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Can we do it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes we can!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they vote for him.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Literally Bob the Builder.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'll say this too.
		I mean, again, hopefully I've made myself clear about this.
		I'm not making a claim about whether Trump is necessarily going to be better in the general election.
		What I am saying is with DeSantis' level of charisma, it's not helping his chances.
		I just don't know how you could argue that him working on his delivery is a bad idea or a bad suggestion.
		I mean, he really needs help there.
		You can't deny that.
		You really can't deny that.
		It doesn't help him.
		That's why I'm harping on it, man.
		If I wanted to make you all feel great, I'd go, oh, I apologize, I shouldn't have said it.
		No, dude, it's true.
		In DeSantis' people need to know that that's something for him to work on.
		I want him to be successful.
		I don't think he's going to be as successful as he can be if that isn't worked out.
unidentified		One thing to point out is that Florida has a a Moderately early primary.
		I mean, it's like I think it's like smack in the middle.
		It's in mid-march but like if DeSantis doesn't win, Florida that's gonna be like It's looking like we're coming up to Florida and he doesn't have a chance to win, Florida.
		That is a huge problem that's a huge problem for Ron DeSantis to and so we'll see where the polls end up in Florida, but Alright, so... Gono says, TDS goes both ways it seems.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't care how electric a politician is.
		I care if they deliver the results they promise, which is what we have seen repeatedly from DeSantis.
		I like Trump but there is no loyalty to politicians.
		Yep, and can the politician get elected?
		Electability matters.
		You can have the best policies in the world, or you can take Trump who's got a lot of good policies and has the demeanor and the character.
		I'm not saying Trump is perfect, not by any stretch, but, dude, The Economist says Ron DeSnoozeFest.
		I showed some people and they went, wow.
		Like, it was just reading a piece of paper, like, not even feeling it.
		It just felt so dry.
unidentified		That's what I mean, it's just flat.
unidentified		It's just flat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Flat's an understatement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's concave.
unidentified		Yeah, totally.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I just wanna, like, if you're a diehard DeSantis supporter, if you're a never-Trumper, you really think DeSantis has to be the guy, don't you want him to work on that?
		Don't you want him to get better at his delivery so he can be more successful?
		I don't understand this.
		Why would you pretend that there isn't a problem?
		There totally is!
unidentified		Because when you fundamentally believe that Trumpism is bad, and the way that Trump captivated his audience is bad, you want the opposite.
		That's actually at its heart, part of the problem for DeSantis.
		I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seymour Butt says, Tim, we don't want an elitist Blue Falcon who graduated from two Ivy League law schools, then went to wear the Blue Falcon title.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Blue Falcon.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, Trump also graduated from elitist Yeah.
		School.
		So, Penn, I mean.
		Yeah, true.
		It's Ivy League.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian says, sorry late to the party, but I didn't see where DeSantis addressed Trump, his biggest competition.
		He came out too weak.
		I appreciate him trying to be seemingly drama-free, but he is playing it too safe in my opinion.
		Yup.
		Vanilla yogurt.
		Guardsman Norham says DeSantis rolled a politician with high wisdom, but used charisma as a dump stat.
		Ian would appreciate that one if he was here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I like D&D.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Robert Colling says, if you want charisma, look at Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson in North Carolina.
		He knocks it out of the park.
		Who's that guy?
		Is he the guy who was singing with John Rich?
		Who was that?
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was that the guy?
unidentified		Not sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Random user says, as an eight-year viewer, you have TDS, dude.
		Trump can't describe CRT and DEI.
		DeSantis explained them articulately and how he'd destroy them and how he has in Florida.
		You're simping for Trump too hard.
		Oh, go Crimea River, dude.
		Barack Obama gets elected after blowing up children because people don't care about policy.
		I would love it if Ron DeSantis got in and enacted policy, which I think he does better than Trump.
		But it's insane to think at the current pace, he's going to be able to do it.
		It's remarkable to me that someone like me, I pay attention to this stuff, I watch Obama get in office and start blowing up children immediately and I'm like, wow, that's the opposite of what I voted for.
		And people are just like, I'm gonna vote for him again.
		And I was like, what about blowing up kids do you think warrants re-election?
		And they're like, I don't care.
		Because Barack Obama goes on TV with a charming smile and says, listen, we can do it!
		And they go, can we do it?
unidentified		Yes, we can!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He didn't say anything!
		Can we hope and change?
		Can we do it?
		Yes, we can.
		Donald Trump wins.
		Make America great again.
		Trump at least talked about building a big beautiful wall from sea to shining sea.
		Trump had some policies.
		None of these guys are perfect, but Donald Trump banned at the federal level contracting with corporations that had this woke garbage in their companies.
		He was shutting it down in the military as well.
		I think Ron DeSantis would do better policy-wise, but we're talking about the executive branch.
		Ron DeSantis would not be a legislator when he's in the executive branch.
		He'd be president.
		So he can talk all day and night about the things he wants to do, but he's not passing laws or anything about it.
		If anything, he should be running for Senate, if that's the case.
		Or he should be vice president and be president of the Senate.
		That's a better place for him to be.
		Donald Trump is the guy who's got the brash attitude who I want to see start enforcing some laws.
		Not saying he will, but dude, you can sit here and be like, this is what really bugs me about why they're, like, about the right, why they lose too much when it comes to this political stuff.
		Ben Shapiro comes out and says, facts don't care about your feelings.
		And they all start going, waving their arms and they're cheering for it.
		And I'm like, that means nothing to the average person who believes feelings don't care about your facts.
		And that's why Democrats win over the default liberal.
		It should be default conservative.
		When we look at the Bud Light stuff, it should be default that people are like, I'm not buying that because I don't want to be made fun of by my friends.
		The Democrats use shame and fear and powerful emotions to win elections.
		Republicans try convincing people.
		Now that's noble.
		It's honorable.
		Good luck.
		You put Ron DeSantis on a stage.
		I'll tell you this.
		You take a guy who sells medical equipment and put him next to Ron DeSantis and you will believe in your mind that Ron knows nothing about the politics and the medical supply sales guy knows everything.
		Because being able to speak and being charismatic conveys more trust than not being able to.
		I have to dig from a lot of people.
		When they say things like, oh, you know all this stuff, and I'm like, well, make sure you think I actually know something.
		Like, well, it sounds like you know it.
		Yeah, I read it on the news, and it could be a lie later on.
		If a guy goes on stage like Ron DeSantis and says, freedom is worth fighting for, you're like, that doesn't sound like he actually thinks that.
		And then someone else comes up and goes, freedom is worth fighting for, and that's why you must join me.
		People are going to be like, oh, that's definitive.
		I've seen it happen at all these different rallies.
		I've seen the left do it time after time.
		I've seen every non-profit pull this off.
		If you don't know, and if you don't sound convinced, people will not follow you.
		End of story.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		And I think anytime there's any criticism made of DeSantis, People are going to assume because of the rivalry that what you're saying is that you think that DeSantis is terrible and Trump is great.
		That's not necessarily the case.
		You could say, look, DeSantis has this flaw that he needs to work out.
		It's going to make him more electable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I think that Super Chatter actually has the Trump Derangement Syndrome because they're so obsessed with getting in anyone else, they would take a guy who probably would lose.
		There was a poll that came out, I think it was Interactive Polls posted this, dissenters losing to Biden by three points.
		Now, they're going to come out and they're going to tell you, no, no, we want Trump to run.
		You had on The View, they said, we want Trump to be the candidate so we can beat him.
		They want DeSantis to be the candidate because he's dry, because he's boring and monotonous.
		I like DeSantis.
		I think he would be a great president.
		I think his policies are excellent.
		But in order to be a leader, you need more than just good ideas.
		Ron DeSantis, the good idea guy, he's an advisor to the president.
		He's a vice president.
		He's a COO.
		He's a chief of staff.
		He is not the president.
		The president is going to go out and rally the American people around these ideas.
		DeSantis CAN be that guy, but I'm just so fed up, I can't believe after all this time we knew he was gonna run, they did not give him legitimate real training or direction.
		Insane.
unidentified		You're exactly right.
		I hate when people say, you hit spot on.
		Facts don't care about your feelings.
		Well, yeah, but people care about your feelings.
		People care about those feelings.
		That's a totally different thing from winning an argument versus influencing those around you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People won't remember what you say, but they will remember how you made them feel.
		So when Donald Trump makes you laugh, you know what's going to happen?
		You associate that Trump rally with having fun.
		A good time.
		When someone goes on stage and just talks and you're falling asleep, you don't even remember it.
		What did you have for breakfast yesterday?
unidentified		They don't care about how much you know until they know about how much you care.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you had breakfast with Donald Trump, you would never forget every moment of that breakfast.
		Oh, I had two eggs scrambled, the bacon, the hash browns, and we got these delicious sweet potato biscuits and I put a ton of butter on them.
		I'll never forget that morning.
		You will remember.
		But I ask you, what did you have for breakfast?
		And most people are going to be like, what did I have for breakfast?
		I can't remember.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Because you don't care!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Your brain's like, I'm not going to store this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's garbage information.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll say this.
		I really like Trump.
		I would love to see Trump elected in 2024.
		Like I said, I won't make any predictions or claims about who's ultimately going to be electable between the two.
		But you can really like both of these guys.
		I understand that when it comes to the primary season, you're going to have to make a choice.
		100%.
		I will say for as much as I do love Trump, I think that if DeSantis is successful at whatever he does, that's good for America.
		If DeSantis is a good governor of Florida, that's going to be good for America.
		If he does end up becoming president, I think that's going to be good for America.
		If he ends up being vice president to Donald Trump, that's also going to be good for America.
		But I do think DeSantis is going to be more successful if he works on fixing this charisma problem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And people have been saying it for a long time.
		When we had Milo on the show and he said it was like when you reach for something and you accidentally touch something moist like a wet sponge.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Like, I wouldn't go that far.
		That's the thing.
		I wouldn't take it as far as Milo does.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When you have people saying, hey, there's a charisma problem here, and then the campaign doesn't take it seriously.
		That video that Ron put out on his Twitter should never have seen the light of day.
		I would not sell my coffee with something so tepid.
		For a presidential announcement, you need something big.
		And you need strength, conviction, make me believe it.
		You know what I'm gonna do?
		We're gonna make a commercial, and I'm gonna make you believe that buying Casper Coffee will literally save the world.
		I will put all of the conviction that I have in it, and I'll make an impassioned plea.
		You know what I'll do?
		Here's what I'm gonna do.
		I'm gonna take Ron DeSantis' presidential announcement speech, I'm going to deliver it, but instead of saying I'm running for president, I'm going to say, and that's why I'm selling you coffee.
		So join the fight today and go to castbrew.com and buy Rise with Roberto Jr.
		because if you don't, this country will fall.
		Or something like that.
		And then it'll just be like, people will be like, bro, it's just coffee, calm down.
unidentified		Can you imagine that all these things going wrong in your first day of opening a coffee shop though?
		You want to have this product, like you said, perfected so that when it's coming out, everybody in their first day in your coffee shop is going to be like, wow, this is incredible.
		I'm coming back.
		I don't know if that goal was achieved today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm going to make a video.
		Is what I'm gonna do.
		And then Seamus can animate it.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'll be me doing Ron DeSantis' speech, but saying, you have to buy chickens.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Buy chickens!
		Well, I'll say this.
		This is sort of an infamous story in political history, but I'm sure you're all familiar with the Kennedy-Nixon debates in 1960, and everyone who heard it on the radio thought that Nixon crushed, and everyone who saw it on television thought that Kennedy won.
		Right?
		That's the whole point of all of this.
		Public image and how it's presented to people matters a lot.
		So you could say his policies are the best in the world, but if they're not presented in a way which is packaged in a way such that the average American person is going to be receptive to it, it doesn't matter.
		It doesn't matter.
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		Tyler, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		We've got, like I said, Turning Point Action has this big conference coming up in July.
		So July 15th and 16th, we're putting on this huge thing.
		We just announced today that Donald Trump will be there.
		Vivek will be there.
		We have a huge host of number of people that are going to be there.
		You can go to tpaction.com slash atcon.
		Just go tpaction.com and check it out.
		And it's going to be huge.
		I think the biggest event of the summer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Shamus Coghlan.
		I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
		We're going to be uploading three videos next week if you guys want to go check those out.
		I also have a podcast called Shamer.
		We air every Thursday at 6 p.m.
unidentified		Eastern.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's Eastern, not Easter.
		I'm sorry.
		What's wrong with me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Only once a year.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Only once a year at 6 p.m.
		on Easter.
		Rumble.com slash Shamer.
		Y'all go check that out.
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unidentified		And I am Serge.com.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That was a good show.
unidentified		I'm excited for the after.
unidentified		Let's get to it, guys.
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