May 5, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| So apparently there's no news at all today because the only thing I'm seeing is like | ||
| clips from yesterday's show and they're like, Tim pool this, Tim pool that. | ||
| It's a sly objies. | ||
| No, I was just saying Seamus and Ian this, and Seamus and Ian that. | ||
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That's right. | |
| They thought we were way cooler on the show. | ||
| No, Seamus, we... This lamest is what they keep saying. | ||
| This lamest, that's right. | ||
| That was a good one, Seamus. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
| So we do have news, though. | ||
| The big story right now that everyone's talking about this week is the Jordan Neely story. | ||
| This is the homeless guy who was attacking people. | ||
| There's new evidence has come out of his past behaviors. | ||
| And once again, the left is doubling down on the grand jury should indict the man who was defending himself and others from this violent individual. | ||
| So we'll definitely talk about that. | ||
| And there was a funnier story that I thought maybe we should lead with. | ||
| Donald Trump's rape trial deposition has been released and to a certain extent and there's a clip where he roasts the opposition lawyer saying like what he says something like you you wouldn't be good enough for me quite frankly and it's just it's really funny that he's being deposed and he tells the female lawyer that she's not good enough to for him to like want to sleep with i just think that's kind of funny so it's friday we're chilling we're going to talk about what's going on with this uh the politics stuff I think there is going to be some conversation about the whole thing last night, because we've been talking about it all day and basically everybody else is. | ||
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| Because joining us today to talk about this and so much more is Lauren Southern. | ||
| Happy to be here. | ||
| And you just completed a documentary. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| For us. | ||
| Timcast original, Infringed. | ||
| Great timing with Biden repeatedly tweeting about how we need to ban assault rifles, because we've been going all across the states from Baltimore to Texas to, unfortunately, Berkeley, interviewing people, night crawling and figuring out what's been going on with the gun control stuff here. | ||
| And it's a pretty epic documentary, an hour and 40 minutes of deep dive and on the ground footage. | ||
| And John Dutrois. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Thanks for having me. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you want to introduce yourself? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I'm John Dutrois. | ||
| I'm a filmmaker and, you know, I make music as well. | ||
| You know, I'm just, you know, I like doing art and yeah. | ||
| Right on, and filmmaking. | ||
| So you guys, Lauren and John, have produced Infringed. | ||
| We do have another documentary, so in the next two weeks we should have two full-length documentaries come out. | ||
| The second is by Ben Stewart and Harrison Schultz, and it's about the Federal Reserve and banking. | ||
| And I just feel like we got really lucky with this, because the gun control thing is happening now. | ||
| And we talked about doing this, we pitched this like six, seven months ago, And the same thing with the Federal Reserve documentary, and now the banks are all collapsing. | ||
| So it's just like, wow, we really saw the future here, and having this come out in the next couple weeks will be really great. | ||
| So that'll be at TimCast.com. | ||
| We're gonna be putting clips up on YouTube.com slash TimCast, and then the full length for members only on TimCast.com. | ||
| So there will be powerful select moments from the documentaries released, and then, you know, we're hoping that this can be something sustainable and we can keep making more documentaries, but we're already getting ready for the next set. | ||
| So thank you guys for hanging out. | ||
| Smash the like button. | ||
| We almost got We ALSO got it. | ||
| We ALMOST got Seamus, but I was like, I don't think I can do tonight's show. | ||
| Tim wasn't offering enough in the way of whiskey. | ||
| Seamus has four bottles of booze in front of him. | ||
| That's true, and I drank all of them. | ||
| That's why they're empty. | ||
| It's not like former guests have been thrown back. | ||
| Tim, I went over there and there were these insanely expensive bottles and Tim said, you just only take the really cheap stuff, Seamus, because, you know, we don't value you here. | ||
| Seamus tried drinking the cheap stuff, and I was like, Seamus, we got a 25-year scotch ready. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| That's actually true. | ||
| I feel bad. | ||
| I don't want to crack open your 25-year scotch. | ||
| We were sitting there, and he's like, you know, I don't really want to open the expensive ones, you know what I mean? | ||
| And I'm like, no. | ||
| The difference between men and women. | ||
| Lauren's like, is it bad if I mix the Diet Coke into the 25 year scotch? | ||
| And yeah. | ||
| And I was like, no, I encourage it. | ||
| I recommend it. | ||
| Is that what you're doing? | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| After I finish this one. | ||
| Please don't do that. | ||
| Please do not. | ||
| Some traditions have to be protected, my goodness. | ||
| The whiskey aficionados are watching the show and every time Lauren comes on, they're like, no! | ||
| Yeah, remember when she had the pappy out of a styrofoam cup? | ||
| Maybe we put honey in that. | ||
| I will blaspheme against the Glenn LeVette. | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Levitt. | ||
| Glenn LeVette. | ||
| The Glenn LeVette XXV. | ||
| That's 25 years, guys. | ||
| Well, anyway, my name is Seamus Coghlan. | ||
| I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes where we make animated cartoons. | ||
| I also have a podcast called Shamer. | ||
| It's on Rumble twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays at 6 p.m. | ||
| Eastern. | ||
| Nice branding, man. | ||
| Thank you! | ||
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I was just going to say, you can really tell I'm not media trained. | |
| It's like, why don't you introduce yourself? | ||
| I'm like, hi! | ||
| I'm just a guy. | ||
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Happy to be here. | |
| I'm also just a guy. | ||
| We got Moon Lord over here. | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| I'm leaning into it too. | ||
| Moon Lord and Moon Lord. | ||
| We're going to the moon. | ||
| We're going to build a space elevator on the moon. | ||
| Michael Lane's already been working on it with Spaceport, so I'm going to be happy to ride that thing. | ||
| Speaking of riding that thing. | ||
| You're going to be very disappointed when you realize the moon isn't real. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| You think the moon's hollow? | ||
| I've heard it's hollow. | ||
| No, it's a hollow ground. | ||
| It's a space station. | ||
| Haven't you seen that movie Moonfall or whatever it's called? | ||
| It's a hollow grave. | ||
| Where the moon is falling to Earth and it turns out the whole moon is a space station that created Earth and ancient aliens, humans actually built it. | ||
| I think it's the result of a planet colliding with Earth a long time ago and coming out the other end as a ball of magma that just cooled down over time. | ||
| That's why it's held magnetically just between us and the sun, creating a perfect eclipse. | ||
| Gravitational, but that is the perfect introduction for Ian, so this is... Gravity's magnetism. | ||
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Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. | |
| It's funny when people are like, Tim's show is weird because he has, like, Seamus and Ian on. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yeah, Moon Lord and Toon Lord, dude. | ||
| Also, we got Serge Dupria. | ||
| Hello, how's it going guys? | ||
| Excited for the show. | ||
| He's like the least weird guy I know. | ||
| Let's jump into this first story. | ||
| So the big news that's been happening all week that the left seems to be latching onto, and is a really good example of anarcho-tyranny, is this dude Jordan Neely, who died after he was choked and he was subdued and then choked on a train. | ||
| And we got this new story from the New York Post. | ||
| 911 flooded with calls, including reports of a gun. | ||
| Well, Jordan Neely was fatally choked on train. | ||
| They say a total of five emergency calls were made over a four-minute span just before 2.30 p.m. | ||
| Monday, when now-identified 24-year-old Daniel Penny held Neely in a chokehold on the floor of the northbound F train. | ||
| The first call came in at 2.26, was reporting a physical fight on the subway, followed by another one minute later, someone reporting on the train threatening riders. | ||
| So it sounds like this guy, Neely, had already attacked people, then was threatening people, because You can't have one call come in and then a call come in after, right? | ||
| So people are saying the original story was that Nealey was threatening people and then he got subdued. | ||
| Sounds like he attacked people, then stopped, went on to threaten people, and then later a third caller said he was armed with a knife or a gun. | ||
| It was unclear whom the call was referring to though, Neely or Penny, so we don't know for sure, but I really don't think they're talking about the three men who subdued this guy. | ||
| Now, what's ended up happening is, I think I have a tweet from AOC. | ||
| She tweets, I have yet to hear a real explanation from any official hesitating to condemn the killing of Jordan Neely about what makes condemning this violence so complicated. | ||
| It's not complicated, there's nothing... I'll tell you this, AOC, let me make it easy for you. | ||
| I condemn Jordan Neely's violence. | ||
| I condemn your soft-on-crime policies that resulted in 25 people last year being shoved in front of trains, with two of them dying. | ||
| I condemn you and your actions. | ||
| And I commend the men who tried stopping this violent man. | ||
| And I am sad that Jordan Neely lost his life. | ||
| Was that so difficult? | ||
| I hand it to you, panel. | ||
| I mean, this is also something we're seeing a lot in my city of Vancouver. | ||
| First of all, I think public transport is very quickly becoming a human rights violation. | ||
| We just had an ISIS stabbing where a teenager had his throat slit on the subway, another gentleman killed. | ||
| A lot of you probably saw the Starbucks stabbing in Vancouver. | ||
| You didn't see it? | ||
| It was on footage. | ||
| Some guy was fatally stabbed in front of his toddler because he asked the guy to stop vaping. | ||
| And it was actually with a religious knife from a Sikh gentleman, I think, in broad daylight in Vancouver. | ||
| And it's all of these people. | ||
| This was like two, three weeks ago. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| It's a whole lot of people with mental health issues that keep being released on the street. | ||
| 40 individuals, this was last year, committed over 3,000 crimes in one year in Vancouver and they can't figure it out. | ||
| They can't figure out what to do. | ||
| You give that list of 40 people to a toddler and they can tell you what to do with it. | ||
| Put them in jail. | ||
| Put them in jail if they have committed. | ||
| Oh, I did see this. | ||
| I did see this story. | ||
| I did not realize that's what had caused it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The video's like, whoa, that guy got stabbed, yo! | ||
| And he's just watching as the dude bleeds out. | ||
| Yeah, he asked him to stop vaping. | ||
| And none of that's ever condemned, right? | ||
| The fact that we live in a culture that doesn't see this as out of the ordinary but loses its mind when somebody tries to defend themselves is never condemned by any of these political leaders who claim to care so much about human life. | ||
| No, no, it's because they're evil. | ||
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Right? | |
| So it's like, listen, it's like... | ||
| I'll use traditional comic book and cartoon lore. | ||
| The villain is the one, like the Joker, releasing the inmates from prison and then laughing as the inmates terrorize people. | ||
| And then when the superhero stops the criminals, they go, NO! | ||
| They get mad that it's happening. | ||
| That's literally what we're seeing. | ||
| Ocasio-Cortez is a comic book villain. | ||
| She is Lex Luthor. | ||
| She pretends to be of the people. | ||
| They all celebrate her. | ||
| That's quite literally what Lex Luthor represented. | ||
| He was the perfect villain for Superman because he didn't have superpowers. | ||
| He controlled society through corporations and wealth and means. | ||
| AOC is certainly not extremely wealthy, but she uses her influence to defend the criminals and condemn the victims. | ||
| She lied about January 6th, and she's trying to condemn innocent people now. | ||
| Politicians need to be forced to take the subway every day if they have an opinion like that, if they think that he was the victim in this situation. | ||
| Obviously, I think no one should have been put in this situation. | ||
| Everyone was the victim of an extremely broken system. | ||
| Yeah, but in the moment, the man who is threatening people is the perpetrator. | ||
| I don't care if you're like, but he's mentally ill. | ||
| So what? | ||
| Well, you never should have been out there running around on the bus threatening people in the first place. | ||
| We need institutions for these people. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There needs to be institutions for these people. | ||
| We need to have real, frank conversations about what has to be done about the decline of mental health in the United States that aren't just, let's say, nice platitudes and throw money at a system that isn't going to actually do anything. | ||
| And especially when you have political leaders like AOC who want for there to be national mass public transit from one side of the nation to the other with these massive railways, and they're not even doing anything to ensure that the mass transit in their own cities are safe for people, or is safe for people. | ||
| It's like, okay, now you want this to be the only option people have on a national scale? | ||
| You wanna start to slowly do away with highways and ensure that the only way people can get across the country is by riding these railways? | ||
| When the railways in your city are EXTREMELY dangerous and you're not doing anything to make them safe? | ||
| I think one thing that could be done is that we could do some sort of prison reform where we start putting webcams in prisons for inmates that are supervised and allow them to communicate with therapists and family. | ||
| So we really do turn it into a sort of, I don't know, a place where people can actually become better, as opposed to just retribution and vengeance. | ||
| We don't want people to suffer in prison, we want them to become better humans. | ||
| I can take it one step further. | ||
| I realized this the other day. | ||
| Very, very simple solution. | ||
| If you break the law, we forcefully give you the Neuralink implant and then plug you in and delete from your brain criminality. | ||
| Dude, no joke. | ||
| That is something that could happen. | ||
| Sounds like a clockwork orange. | ||
| Yeah, they were talking about neural net, I think early on when they were talking about, Elon was talking about neural net, that you could dampen emotional receptors with it, I think. | ||
| I think that they were actually talking about that, the scientist working on it. | ||
| We just put like the neural link thing on them, and then if they ever are about to commit a crime, it just slows down their motor functions until they stop. | ||
| And then the opportunity stops, and then they can only resume if they, in their mind, But then the thing is, so you'll have some dude who wants to go out and commit crimes and he'll start to slow down and people go, well help that man! | ||
| There's something wrong! | ||
| And he'll go try to comfort him and then he'll reach in and take their wallet. | ||
| Simple thing is, the device will start going, this man is experiencing criminal desires! | ||
| This man is experiencing criminal desires! | ||
| And that's like, steer clear! | ||
| Stay away! | ||
| It just broadcasts your thoughts really loudly all the time. | ||
| Everyone just has their- that's so horrible. | ||
| Everyone just has their thoughts shouted from a speaker at all times. | ||
| You know what's wild to me? | ||
| It's like when you're younger and you look at criminality, you think it's like a super big deal. | ||
| Like, oh my gosh, your life is going to be over if you commit a crime. | ||
| Like, this is insane. | ||
| And then you get older. | ||
| And I, I was, um, I was actually assaulted in a grocery store a few years ago. | ||
| Some guy grabbed my butt, but he grabbed the wrong butt, I'll tell you right now, because I sent him straight to jail. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But it turns out he was on bail, like, that week. | ||
| He had just gotten out of jail for serial assault, had grabbed four other women in the shops that morning. | ||
| None of them wanted to come to court, but I was willing to. | ||
| I was like, yeah, I'll put forward a statement and take the CCTV footage and everything. | ||
| But it's like wild to me that he knows Mere days after getting out of jail, on bail, he's like, let's go get back on the streets grabbing ladies! | ||
| And he knows the system. | ||
| And especially because, look, this is another thing that often goes unacknowledged, but sex criminals have one of the highest rates of recidivism, if not the highest rate. | ||
| So you can't just let them out on bail. | ||
| Yeah, we gotta put the Neuralink thing in them. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| How did you get that guy put away? | ||
| What was your process? | ||
| No, I just, I called the police after and I was like, hey, this happened. | ||
| Oh, and here's another thing. | ||
| Like a bunch of people watched it happen and they all just kind of froze. | ||
| Everyone freezes when there's something like criminal that happens. | ||
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It's like in that Starbucks video. | |
| In Canada maybe. | ||
| It's almost like so cold. | ||
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The guy in the background just sitting there drinking his coffee. | |
| Or the guy on the phone being like, yo, he got stabbed. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And I don't blame them because people are- Dude, there was this one where the guy, did you see the one where the guy got shot on camera? | ||
| Don't you guys remember the Simpsons when Mr. Burns got shot by Maggie? | ||
| He explains that like after he got shot he found only lollygaggers and it's like Jimbo going like whoa just like pointing at him as he's like dying That's right. | ||
| Simpsons predicted all this. | ||
| I don't want a society where people just stand by and watch people get violently assaulted. | ||
| We'd like to create a system where people are afraid to intercede because they might become arrested for hurting some criminal. | ||
| This is what I was thinking. | ||
| First of all, there were a lot of women there, so they don't want to go up against a man unless they have guns, and no one has guns outside of America. | ||
| And then there's also the fact that, yeah, if you're a man and you actually win that fight and you do the heroic thing you're taught to do as a child, you save the woman in distress, whatever, goodbye life. | ||
| Like this dude. | ||
| They won't be as kind to you, right? | ||
| They're not going to let you out of prison. | ||
| They're going to throw the book at you. | ||
| So, and even if you didn't actually do anything, that rises to the level of a crime. | ||
| So here's a great story that many people in the audience may unfortunately not have heard of. | ||
| Mark Hauk, over a year ago, was protesting outside of an abortion clinic. | ||
| And he was just there praying with his son. | ||
| And every time he went there and prayed, there was an older man who would shout obscenities and disgusting things at his son. | ||
| And so finally, one day, this old man comes over to him and starts approaching his son To assault him, and Mark Hauk pushes the old man away. | ||
| The Soros-funded prosecutor in that area said, there's nothing to charge this man with. | ||
| There's literally nothing to charge this man with, there's no case here. | ||
| But a year later, the FBI and DOJ, the DOJ decides to charge him, the FBI raids his house, and they try to get him convicted with a penalty that would result in him going to prison for 11 years. | ||
| For pushing a guy? | ||
| For pushing a guy. | ||
| Yeah, they were saying it was a violation of the FACE Act. | ||
| And again, the Soros-funded prosecutor in his area a year earlier said there was no case, there was nothing to follow, but because he has the wrong political values, because he was protesting abortion, we should lock him up and throw away the key. | ||
| We have mercy for people who are violent criminals and let them back out onto the street to harm everybody else. | ||
| We got this story from ABC7. | ||
| Grand jury could get subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely case next week. | ||
| So they're actually, a law enforcement source from the investigation tells ABC News the probe into the subway chokehold death is continuing. | ||
| The case is likely to go to a grand jury next week. | ||
| I will say this too, I believe the man's name is Daniel Penny. | ||
| You are going to go to prison for a very, very long time. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I defend eyewitnesses, man. | ||
| There are a lot of eyewitnesses. | ||
| I don't think that matters. | ||
| That's all that matters. | ||
| The entire conversation that we've been having is that Kyle Rittenhouse, for instance, would be in prison for the rest of his life if it was true that the people he shot in self-defense were black. | ||
| What we're likely going to see, like with the Ahmaud Arbery case, This man, I think his name is Daniel Penny, is likely going | ||
| to be politically convicted. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I mean, you've got AOC calling for him to be, she's calling him a murderer. | ||
| She's not even saying it's reckless homicide or negligence. | ||
| She's saying outright murder. | ||
| That's for a jury to decide. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But you've got someone with 13 million followers inciting violence. | ||
| This is what she's doing, AOC. | ||
| I mean, she's inciting violence in New York City by calling this guy a murderer and obfuscating the facts. | ||
| She wants people in New York. | ||
| She is like the Joker. | ||
| She is, she is, well, more like Lex Luthor, I guess. | ||
| Lex Luthor became president. | ||
| That's right, he did. | ||
| Here's an interesting thing we discovered, actually, while filming Infringed, is a lot of people, especially on the progressive side of things, will look at these lower-level crimes, like the mental illness assaults on the subway. | ||
| They'll be like, oh, it was just like a small thing, this and that. | ||
| Or in Baltimore, when we were filming, oh, they have possession of an illegal weapon. | ||
| Well, they didn't kill anyone, they didn't rob anything, so we're just not gonna... the progressive DAs would just be like, whatever, we're not even gonna Deal with these cases. | ||
| They're like misdemeanors. | ||
| But what occurs is when they don't deal with those lower-level cases, they almost always end up becoming more high-level criminals. | ||
| It leads to murder. | ||
| It leads to, you know, horrible assaults, horrible robberies, violence, because you have to deal with it. | ||
| If people start to like test the water a bit, oh, I can get away with that. | ||
| Test the water a bit more. | ||
| You can't have people getting away with these low-level misdemeanors constantly. | ||
| You can't have things like illegal weapons carrying in Baltimore be just like, Not addressed whatsoever! | ||
| Well, this is why Giuliani's broken window policing was effective. | ||
| You have to stop the smaller crimes. | ||
| Because it's not only the case, as you acknowledge, that people who commit these lower-level crimes are in some sense testing the water and seeing what they can get away with even just subconsciously, but it's also the case that if you know people are getting the book thrown at them for misdemeanors, you're going to think twice about a felony. | ||
| You're going to think twice about committing a felony. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I have mixed feelings about just going hard at people for Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. | ||
| Should legalize? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's wasting time, it's wasting money, there's so much real crime going on in this country that could be using up the courts. | ||
| But real quick, what we're seeing is that they're legalizing drug use, they're legalizing the right to set up homeless camps in public spaces, and then they're criminalizing self-defense. | ||
| That's the problem! | ||
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So it's the inversion. | |
| When it comes to a federal war on drugs, I oppose it. | ||
| I don't think there's anything wrong with a particular state saying we want to ban this drug or that drug. | ||
| However, I don't think it's wise as a nation to have this bizarre two-faced halfway point where we say this drug is illegal or X, Y, and Z is illegal, but it's not that serious a crime. | ||
| You're not really going to get into that much trouble. | ||
| If something is a crime, it should really be a crime. | ||
| And that does mean we need to think twice about what laws we have, what we're willing to ban or make illegal. | ||
| But once something's not legal, you really should get in serious trouble for breaking the law. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| It makes a mockery of the judicial system, or the entire legal system, if you can't enforce or don't enforce a law in the book. | ||
| So like, schedule one marijuana, schedule one narcotic in the United States federally. | ||
| But it's like, no, we're not going to pursue it. | ||
| They won't pursue it if it's legal in the state. | ||
| Let me show you this from Vivek Ramaswamy. | ||
| In 2015, Jordan Neely kidnapped a 7-year-old girl. | ||
| In 2019, he punched a 64-year-old man in the face. | ||
| In 2021, he slugged a 67-year-old woman in the face as she exited the subway, breaking her nose and fracturing her orbital bone. | ||
| He was arrested 44 times but never faced real justice for terrorizing New Yorkers. | ||
| The MNDA shares responsibility for his death for creating an anti-law enforcement culture. | ||
| You read that kidnapped a seven-year-old kid thing, and I'm just like, no. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm trying really hard. | ||
| He moonwalked, though. | ||
| I'm gonna have to look into the details of that, because that makes me mad as hell. | ||
| And I can't play this video. | ||
| Is this the one of him pushing a woman? | ||
| No, this is a video of him screaming homophobic slurs at Joey Boots in New York. | ||
| Oh, well, that's the real problem. | ||
| Forget about the kidnapping. | ||
| Now, I will say this. | ||
| This is a video from DC Drainer where he says it's a video of Jordan Neely going viral showing him violently assaulting a man using homophobic slurs, the f-word. | ||
| I've not confirmed this so I don't know that it's true, but it does look like it's him. | ||
| Like in the video, there's a video of a guy, looks just like Neely, he's doing Michael Jackson stuff, it looks like all the other videos. | ||
| So I believe it's probably correct that it is him, but I want to make sure I have that caveat because You know, take it with a grain of salt. | ||
| The age of deep fakes is now. | ||
| But this is Joey Boots. | ||
| And I know Joey Boots, and there's never a reason to have gone up, you know, rest in peace, Joey. | ||
| There was never a reason to scream at him and threaten him, because this is not what Joey did. | ||
| Joey had a video of, like, walking up to Tucker Carlson. | ||
| He's filming. | ||
| He walks around New York filming. | ||
| Oh yeah, I remember that video. | ||
| And Tucker's like, I'm fishing! | ||
| And he's like, oh, cool. | ||
| And he's like, Tucker Carlson, fishing in New York, and Tucker's just like, yeah. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| Joey would do these videos, and he would go up to news cameras and say, bababooey bababooey. | ||
| So, when you see a video of this Neely guy, he was a violent, angry dude. | ||
| He was mean, he attacked people, he kidnapped people. | ||
| How is it that this, the villain, the perpetrator, is what AOC and the left defend? | ||
| You know how, because this is the behavior that they deem acceptable. | ||
| What? | ||
| This is the behavior they deem acceptable. | ||
| What, like, mentally ill assault? | ||
| So, if a person behaves violently in an insane way, in a reckless way, or just in a flat-out immoral way, their entire philosophy and the entire philosophy of the left is the only reason that person behaved that way is because of certain systemic structures that push them in that direction. | ||
| And so, they're not the criminal, you are, for not supporting left-wing policy. | ||
| Now that I understand, because that is an argument I've seen being made by people in that camp, if that's what's happening, is that society failed this guy. | ||
| Flat out, he should have been either put in an institution of some sort or put in jail after his 44th crime, after maybe it's stealing the seven-year-old. | ||
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It seemed like he wanted to go back to jail, right? | |
| You know, he probably wants to get fed three times a day, and if you're in jail, that's what you get, right? | ||
| So, because I saw something that, I saw a tweet, you know, I don't know who said it, but, you know, he was saying something like, you know, I'll go back to jail or I want to go back to jail. | ||
| And it's like, well, if there was an asylum for somebody like this, you know, he'd be taken care of, he'd be off the streets. | ||
| Meanwhile, he's homeless, he's probably hungry. | ||
| You'd probably save money, too, in police resources constantly dealing with these issues, like sending them to an asylum. | ||
| Vancouver, this is exactly why we got the problems there. | ||
| I think it was Riverside, there was a massive mental asylum, and they basically let everyone loose, shut it down. | ||
| I know during the Reagan era, a ton of mental asylums were shut down as well. | ||
| And it's just like, boom, on the streets. | ||
| You think the resources that were going into those asylums aren't going into police investigations solving these issues now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, sorry, no. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Well, no, and this is something I touched on on the show yesterday that happened during the Reagan era. | ||
| This was also a product of the Foucaultian deinstitutionalization movement, this idea on the left that mental illness is for the most part a social construct and we need to be more understanding. | ||
| And it's true that in many mental health facilities people were mistreated and there was a serious conversation that needed to be had there. | ||
| However, in the 1950s there were 500,000 people committed to mental institutions across the U.S. | ||
| and then by the mid-80s that falls to 100,000. | ||
| Is that after Reagan let people out or before? | ||
| I think I'm not sure at which point the vast majority of the decrease in those numbers occurred, but I do know that between the 1950s and the 1980s, you just have a massive, I would say, decrease in the number of people in mental health facilities across the country. | ||
| And part of that is a result of the reclassification of what it requires to get somebody committed. | ||
| So it used to be you have to be proven to be unable to take care of yourself, and then they changed that standard to you have to have been proven to be a threat to yourself or others. | ||
| Now, often when someone proves that they're a threat to themselves or others, it's too late. | ||
| Someone's already been hurt. | ||
| So I don't know if the standard should be they can't take care of themselves as it used to be, but I think the standard we have now clearly isn't working. | ||
| Yeah, there's so many Reagan facts I learned while doing the Infringe stuff. | ||
| He like right when he got an offer. Is that true? | ||
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The same thing in California, I think as well. He signed a bill. I think the Lantris-Peterson-Short Act or something. | |
| Yeah, that's 1967 that he did that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did you know, this is sort of a random interesting fact, there's so many Reagan facts I learned while doing the Infringe | ||
| stuff. | ||
| He was one of the first people to pass one of the mass gun control bill acts. | ||
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As governor in California. | |
| Yeah, Reagan was not, was certainly far from perfect. | ||
| Like, everyone praises him because of the way he stood up to communism, and I think that that was great. | ||
| I think that was great. | ||
| I will not take that from him. | ||
| However, he was certainly not the best president America's had. | ||
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He had a lot of great one-liners, though. | |
| I think that's true. | ||
| He did! | ||
| That's his legacy. | ||
| Boomers loved him. | ||
| He, like, doubled the amount of federal employees, though, while standing against communism. | ||
| Look it up, look it up. | ||
| He was one of the biggest government presidents in history. | ||
| Well, can I ask you, I would imagine most of that was an increase in military positions? | ||
| No, it wasn't military. | ||
| No, it was like pencil pushers, paper pushers, whatever. | ||
| There's a lot of those in the military, though. | ||
| I've heard that he really didn't like George Bush Senior. | ||
| Does that need a corkscrew? | ||
| Yeah, I was going to ask if you could open this because I'm running out of alcohol. | ||
| Tim, don't open it for her. | ||
| She's going to put Diet Coke in it. | ||
| Well, I saw that she opened it, but then she didn't do anything. | ||
| She's going to put Diet Coke in it. | ||
| It's a 25-year-old scotch. | ||
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Because people like you who don't know what they're doing are going to ruin it, and so they intentionally design it. | |
| really slow process from here. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The cork broke in case you're listening. | ||
| Like such an expensive booze and it just breaks when I twist it slightly. | ||
| Because people like you who don't know what they're doing are going to ruin it | ||
| and so they intentionally design it. | ||
| It's like childproofing but for people who put Diet Coke in their alcohol. | ||
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Now, what Regan... | |
| Good old Ronald. | ||
| I heard that Regan hated George Bush, maybe not hated, but really didn't like George Bush Sr. | ||
| Really? | ||
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At all. | |
| I think they ran against each other if I'm... Oh, in the primaries, probably, right? | ||
| I guess that would make sense. | ||
| And then, like, what, the Deep State went to him and was like, you're gonna have him as your... The assassination attempt, and then after that... He made him his VP? | ||
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's true, but I've heard that story as well. | |
| Yeah, so this Reagan guy, I mean, was he one of those guys who's like going in with all the righteousness, and then as soon as he gets in there, like, here's your talking, here's your playbook, by the way, and he's like, uh, I don't think so, then bang bang, and then he's like, okay, I'll play ball? | ||
| Well, this is what's crazy, is even when he wasn't, because, you know, I was getting in a debate with my dad about this, love you dad, and we were talking about Reagan and gun control, and he's like, oh, you know, he was more Democrat early on, he probably changed his mind, and I'm like, yeah, you know, he did a lot of good things in government, but actually, even when he was out of office, he wrote into wrote to lawmakers supporting the assault weapons ban that Biden passed saying, I support this, put this through. | ||
| And that was after, yeah, 94. | ||
| That was after he was out of office. | ||
| And this is what we have to remember. | ||
| Firstly, Reagan said something, it's quite a famous quote, and this is something that many people who are considered centrists or, you know, 2010 era liberals say today. | ||
| What Reagan said was, I am considered conservative just for holding to the liberal principles that I had 20 years ago. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| Reagan was not the far-right conservative that the left made him out to be. | ||
| It was awful. | ||
| We should understand that. | ||
| Gun control, no-fault divorce. | ||
| Well, because look at it. | ||
| I mean, everyone thinks Reagan was this far-right conservative president. | ||
| Okay, well, they call Tim Pool far-right today. | ||
| So, of course, in the 80s when they were calling Reagan far-right, that didn't mean anything then either. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I want to jump to the story. | ||
| I do feel kind of bad because we're talking about communism and stuff, but this is important breaking news. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Vice Media nears deal for $400 million sale out of bankruptcy, Fortress Investment and Soros Fund Management. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Here's the funniest thing about this, right? | ||
| The deal gives them an evaluation around $400 million, a major drop from $5.7 billion. | ||
| Here's the other thing, though. | ||
| The evaluation includes the existing debt that it has. | ||
| How much? | ||
| The debt, I believe, there was a $250 million debt financing round a few years ago, and then a $30 million. | ||
| I'm not exactly sure how they're doing it. | ||
| The $250 million in debt was from Soros. | ||
| I think that was Soros Fund Management as well. | ||
| So it may be that Soros is actually just buying the company for, what would that give them, $120 million? | ||
| No, no, no, $220 million. | ||
| From a company that was once worth $5.7 billion. | ||
| $220 million from a company that was once once worth five point seven billion so of the four hundred million | ||
| They're paying out 220 of it was debt. So Soros already has 250 million in debt with vice | ||
| So if the deal is for $400 million, which includes the debt, I could be wrong about this. | ||
| Maybe people in the chat could clarify, someone who knows how the economics works of it. | ||
| But it sounds like Soros already holds a portion of that $400 million. | ||
| Unless the deal is to buy out the rest of it, but then he holds the debt. | ||
| So I think this multi-billion dollar company is being washed out for a couple hundred million. | ||
| The whole clickbait apparatus is dying. | ||
| People are sick of it. | ||
| BuzzFeed's gone and it's only being upheld by political actors like this. | ||
| But Vice wasn't that in the beginning. | ||
| Vice got big because they were like, we're going to go down and we're going to hunt down scopolamine in Colombia. | ||
| We're going to find the magic shaman who's going to do crazy like ayahuasca. | ||
| And then it turned into, for 10 reasons, Spongebob's homophobic. | ||
| Do you know how it changed exactly? | ||
| Was there a linchpin that switched or was it just a slow burn? | ||
| Tim left. | ||
| I was there when they were doing the base... So actually, Vice News started because of me, and that is the words of Shane Smith. | ||
| He said it at the Knight Foundation Awards. | ||
| They were doing on-the-ground reporting, but it was not... There was no news division. | ||
| They were doing these, like, adventure-style documentary shows where it's about the regular guy going to Afghanistan and telling a story. | ||
| And then I was like, I want to do real news reporting. | ||
| What changed, simply, is... | ||
| From my perspective, I agree with this take, but this came from a friend of mine who is a high-level employee. | ||
| They got accused of sexual harassment and assault. | ||
| And to get out of it, the investors were like, become a feminist company. | ||
| That way you can get past the negative press. | ||
| The concern was, we're not going to go down and see our hundreds of millions of dollars in investment lost. | ||
| So just come out, start doing feminist stuff, and you'll be safe from these attacks. | ||
| And they went, you got it. | ||
| Talk about a fall from grace. | ||
| If they went the route I explained in my vision, they would be worth still billions of dollars. | ||
| I told them to go the route that we are going here. | ||
| Yeah, maybe they would be worth like 900 million or 1.3 billion, like a quarter of what they ended up at what they were at one point, but they'd still be around. | ||
| I don't believe any of what you guys are saying. | ||
| You think I'm a liar? | ||
| I think both of you. | ||
| I think what happened was Tim told them, Tim saw what the future was and he said, you know what you guys should do? | ||
| You should pander to feminists and the left. | ||
| The young people love it. | ||
| You're going to get a lot of viewership. | ||
| It's what the mainstream media is doing. | ||
| Let's imitate the big guys because you wanted to leave and start your own thing. | ||
| And then you did. | ||
| I went and worked for Disney! | ||
| And after you neutered them, you wanted a little more experience before you got out, you know, and did your own thing. | ||
| And the same thing happened? | ||
| The same thing happened with Fusion and it was hilarious. | ||
| When I went to Fusion, which is ABC News Univision, they said we want to be nice Vice. | ||
| We want to be young and edgy, but we don't want to do the weird stuff where they like crap in jugs and like throw it in the air or something like that. | ||
| Because Vice did like weird stuff like that. | ||
| And then I was like, cool. | ||
| And they said, we want to do a show that's very much travel adventure, meeting like drug dealers in Venezuela and covering those stories. | ||
| And I'm like, perfect. | ||
| Let's make it happen. | ||
| And then eight months later, they brought in a new editor-in-chief who changed his Twitter banner to down with whiteness. | ||
| And then I was like, oh boy. | ||
| And then I was just like, here's my plan for this November. | ||
| I'm gonna go to Fukushima on the anniversary and see where they're at with the redevelopment of the region. | ||
| And then they were like, okay, that's cool, I guess. | ||
| It gets half a million views over the weekend. | ||
| And then they're like, but we're still really interested in talking about trans kids, which gets like a thousand views. | ||
| They were obsessed with chasing this stuff. | ||
| Sure enough, a couple of years later, they lay off everybody and they washed billions down the toilet. | ||
| Did Shane leave the company at some point? | ||
| No, he's still there. | ||
| So he's getting this paid up. | ||
| He's not the CEO anymore, and they're saying they're gonna find a role for him. | ||
| But, like, this guy's just not worth anything anymore. | ||
| I mean, look, don't get me wrong, the dude's probably worth, you know, I don't know what this puts him at, maybe... Shane Smith? | ||
| Yeah, that'll put him at maybe 80 million, which is like, like, come on, it's not nothing. | ||
| He's a rich guy. | ||
| But to have been a billionaire, like their media reporting, you're worth 2 billion or whatever, and now it's just like, you know... | ||
| I don't think they're complete idiots for marketing to the woke crowd. | ||
| Like, I do think there is a large... I'm not on some copium where I think the majority of the population are conservatives. | ||
| I'm from Canada, so I'm like, okay, there are actually a lot of woke people out there, but it's just very hard to sell wokeness through a corporation. | ||
| Through these, like... They can see the... Even the very silly kind of brainwashed people, they're like, okay, This is clickbait. | ||
| This is a corporation that makes millions of dollars telling me about how we need to support trans impoverished individuals doing ketamine. | ||
| They can see the absurdity itself. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There is a craving in general for more genuine, I think that's why live streaming has become a bigger thing in general, even the left-wing live streamers on Twitch and stuff. | ||
| People are just getting real tired of the highly curated actual Full-on propaganda. | ||
| It's just like, the internet is just full-on MKUltra. | ||
| Corporations are not people. | ||
| And when they say stuff like, Disney says that something. | ||
| No, Disney isn't a thing that can speak. | ||
| Disney's just a facade, a piece of paper that you tear away to see who was it that said that. | ||
| Yeah, like, if you want to make the argument that corporations are people, then I'd love to see some of these corporations go to prison. | ||
| So when like a big pharmaceutical company, for instance, is accused of fraud, we don't simply go pass a fine. | ||
| We say, we are going to incarcerate your corporation for five years, meaning it cannot operate. | ||
| Everybody who works there, you no longer work there, come back in five years and let's see where you're at. | ||
| And they go, but we couldn't do that, it would be bad for the economy. | ||
| Well, tell that to the guy who went to prison for five years. | ||
| What's he supposed to do when he gets out? | ||
| Sorry, I don't play that. | ||
| If you got a corporation and there are people breaking the law within it, and it's widespread, and the whole company does it, shut it down. | ||
| Or even like 30%? | ||
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I'm in favor of the death penalty in that case, too. | |
| Oh, like the execution of the corporation itself? | ||
| Death penalty for the company? | ||
| Erasure of the machine? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think that if you sell a company, you guys should change the name. | ||
| That's, I think, unethical to call it something else. | ||
| Because a company is, but the company is the people that are in the company. | ||
| That is what it is. | ||
| It's a company of people. | ||
| If the people change, then it's a different company. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, look, I don't want the factory. | ||
| I just want the name. | ||
| Callahan. | ||
| It's premium. | ||
| Then have it in parentheses behind the new name, at least so you see the trail of what it used to be, what Disney now is. | ||
| But it's not Disney. | ||
| Walt Disney's gone. | ||
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That's going to make for very long domain names. | |
| Yeah, and the corporation owns a bunch of IP. | ||
| You're talking about branding. | ||
| They can rebrand if they want. | ||
| It's like Blackwater, they just reappear as something new every other year. | ||
| I'm just saying, like, the idea that you could go to, say, a major pharmaceutical, like, let's say there's a major pharmaceutical that was accused of fraud and then found to be liable for that fraud and were fined billions. | ||
| I can't think of any pharmaceutical companies like that. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it's all of them! | ||
| I'm pretty sure every single one! | ||
| Like, we just, it's a cost of doing business. | ||
| So now you have these big pharmaceuticals being like, okay, how much money can we make off defrauding people? | ||
| Two billion? | ||
| What will we find by the government? | ||
| One billion? | ||
| Hot dog, we're gonna make a billion dollars. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| There needs to be a more serious penalty. | ||
| Does anyone have the schizophrenic soap, Bonner's soap, where it's got like all the text on it? | ||
| I love schizo soap. | ||
| The soap that spies on you? | ||
| Well, why is it schizo soap? | ||
| No, it's got like so much text about like religion and God and you just sit there and read it. | ||
| It's the one true religion. | ||
| Dr. Bronner's. | ||
| Anyways, I think they should do that. | ||
| Alright, alright, disagree, disagree. | ||
| Well, no, it's... I don't even know what the exact... I think it's Christian. | ||
| Is it Christian? | ||
| We should talk about the true religion. | ||
| I love Dr. Bronner. | ||
| So anyways, my point is they should have that on any sort of pharmaceutical company's bottle, but it's like all of their lawsuits. | ||
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No! | |
| It's just listed all over it. | ||
| And that should be their punishment. | ||
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You have to list all of your failed... It's sort of like if you buy a pack of cigarettes, it has like a limp dick on it or something, right? | |
| It's kind of like that, right? | ||
| They'll show you, especially for like... Like a black lung. | ||
| The last decade of lawsuits or something. | ||
| Yeah, how much money they lost. | ||
| And then maybe they wash off after time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I think would actually be even better than that? | ||
| For political campaigns, at the end of a political ad, in the same way that pharmaceutical ads have to list side effects, they have to list every scandal that politician is involved in, and like every policy failure that they're guilty of. | ||
| Yeah, it's Christian. | ||
| Every stock they're invested in. | ||
| It's a bunch of things, including my rent contra scandal, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, every stock, like all of it. | ||
| That was an extremely based bill of Matt Gaetz and AOC to support. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It was wild. | ||
| Bill against insider trading. | ||
| I love seeing that. | ||
| I love seeing the far left and the far right come together to own politicians. | ||
| You know, I do appreciate it. | ||
| You know what the bill's called? | ||
| AOC's insane and wrong. | ||
| She's not wrong on this. | ||
| But she's not wrong on this. | ||
| Don't you dare attack my queen when she's finally pregnant. | ||
| Your queen. | ||
| Your favorite. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Behind the scenes, Lauren gushes about AOC nonstop. | ||
| It's called the Restoring Faith in Government Act. | ||
| I like the name. | ||
| Restoring My Faith in AOC Act. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're onto something with AOC. | ||
| It's not time to demonize. | ||
| I can fix her. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you really think she's Lex Luthor or has that kind of power to become Lex Luthor, we should engage in conversation now and get ahead of this, rather than just wait for some horrible populist uprising where we use the mob to dictate law and order. | ||
| I think we need to psychologically manipulate her by whenever she does anything really good, the whole right wing need to just send her super loving messages constantly and just be like, keep going queen, keep going. | ||
| And then she'll slowly, like, psychologically be like, whoa, I'm getting a lot of support for this and just move further and further right until I've fixed her. | ||
| And then everyone's going to keep criticizing her from the right when she does something bad and then it's just going to be psychological abuse where it's going to be, like, very brutal, but both ways it's going to be, like, insanely high praise and then really brutal criticism. | ||
| No, no, no, it has to be nice. | ||
| What you're advocating for is hardcore manipulation right now. | ||
| This is a narcissistic cycle that's huge with AOC. | ||
| When she does something wrong, it has to be like, we love you so much, but I can't believe you've failed us here. | ||
| We're really disappointed, but we believe in you. | ||
| Oh my gosh, wouldn't it be awesome if political commentary was done that way? | ||
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Sorry, go ahead. | |
| I gotta give a shout out to Pinochet's Helicopter Tours, who says, Tim, I caught the Tommy Boy quote everyone missed. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| When I said, I don't want The Factor, I just want Callahan. | ||
| It's a premium name. | ||
| Premium name. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Tommy Boy. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Great movie. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That would be David Spade. | ||
| Uncultured. | ||
| Uncultured. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| The pinnacle of culture is Tommy Boy. | ||
| Was Saturday Night Live ever actually good? | ||
| Yeah, in 1989. | ||
| I honestly wonder about that. | ||
| Mike Myers, Dana Carvey. | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| And in the very beginning, I hear, I wasn't around for it. | ||
| There were definitely talented people there and there were some good skits, but we also have a selection bias. | ||
| You always end up seeing the best stuff from that era. | ||
| So I wonder if overall it was actually good. | ||
| They developed Wayne's World on SNL. | ||
| It was Sandman, Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider. | ||
| It was just an incredible, incredible group, man. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| And Rob Schneider has all those movies where he turns into random things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are classics. | ||
| Those are classics. | ||
| He had all the movie spinoffs that came out. | ||
| I think the Congressional Library has selected those. | ||
| For preservation. | ||
| Kevin Nealon, oh man, Kevin Nealon's new, when he did the news, it was so dead. | ||
| Norm Macdonald was in there slaying it. | ||
| Oh yeah, no, look, look, like I said, I will not deny that there were talented people there, and I'm not even necessarily saying they weren't ever great, I'm just saying I wonder how great they were because I wasn't watching it back then and the only footage I see from it is likely the best stuff. | ||
| And there wasn't much else on. | ||
| Like, now we've got 10,000 more things that we can compare late-night comedy to. | ||
| That's also true. | ||
| We just did Normal World. | ||
| Shout out to Dave Landau and Quarter Black Garrett with The Blaze. | ||
| I was on the new one, so you're gonna want to go to Drugtopia on YouTube and check out Normal World. | ||
| But people are saying it's like SNL. | ||
| How was it in the 80s? | ||
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Late 80s? | |
| Oh, that's awesome. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I think Landau's a brilliant genius. | ||
| Comedic genius. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He always got a laugh out of me. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Yeah, he's a funny guy. | ||
| Yeah, Dave, come back. | ||
| Are you me-too-ing Dave Langevine? | ||
| That's right, you're an idiot. | ||
| What happened when you were out there? | ||
| Are you having trouble opening a bottle of soda? | ||
| This is the second bottle you have struggled to open on this show. | ||
| I gotta go to the bathroom. | ||
| Thanks for letting us know. | ||
| I swear, Lauren, if you mix that... I'm mixing the Glenlivet. | ||
| That's disgusting. | ||
| It's like Lauren comes on the show intending to offend whiskey aficionados. | ||
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She's a whiskey iconoclast. | |
| If anything gets you cancelled, it has to be this. | ||
| I'm a trailblazer. | ||
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That's 25-year-old scotch and you just put Diet Coke in it. | |
| I'm a trailblazer. | ||
| I'm sure it's fine. | ||
| When I got banned from the UK for my allies gay thing, they started a gay Muslim pride parade like four years later. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| They banned me from the country. | ||
| This is going to be the trend. | ||
| It won't. | ||
| I think we're going to say at some point there's a bridge too far. | ||
| Oh, don't act like you're enjoying that. | ||
| Don't act like that tastes good. | ||
| Is it actually good? | ||
| I imagine- No, it's not. | ||
| Would you like a Diet Coke and Blend Lovette? | ||
| If it's a Diet Coke, I wouldn't want, to be honest. | ||
| Like, I don't mind the alcohol, even though I know it's bad. | ||
| It's like the aspartame in the Diet Coke. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| Yeah, I'm like, nah, that's not my thing. | ||
| The alcohol, I know it's bad, but the aspartame freaks me out. | ||
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So I don't know if you guys know about this but so I've got a friend who's from India and he tells me that with AOC there's like a power behind the throne kind of a figure who's from India as well and I forget his name now but you know apparently this guy you know he found her in like a bar you know because she was a bartender and You know, because he was looking for somebody to be like the figurehead of, you know, this, you know, new popular politician, you know, for the left, and basically developed her into what she is today and all this stuff. | |
| So I don't know if this is, you know, I've just never heard it before. | ||
| He sent me an article about it, but I can't find it now. | ||
| I just thought if maybe one of you guys knew about this. | ||
| I'm sure it's less nefarious than it sounds. | ||
| I think she's just a bad person, you know. | ||
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Yeah, but it's like she's not Lex Luthor intelligent. | |
| Have you guys watched The Boys? | ||
| Yeah, I haven't really seen it. | ||
| You know the AOC character? | ||
| She like explodes people's heads. | ||
| Wait, is that the right one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never saw it. | ||
| It's an excellent show and it is completely true to all politics. | ||
| Yeah, but they do the scene at the end where Homelander, he's basically Superman and a Donald Trump, which is really hilarious. | ||
| That's a very funny concept. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He kills a protester, and then all of the MAGA people cheer for it, and I'm kind of like, nah. | ||
| The only problem is it does have a left-wing bias, but I think it could, it just applies to politics in general as well as the left, but it's obviously got this, like, hyperbole. | ||
| Dude, I'm pretty sure Stormfront was intended to be Laura Loomer. | ||
| I'm not kidding. | ||
| That's a dark-haired girl? | ||
| Stormfront is a woman who is like an actual Nazi who's immortal or something like that, and then she's pretending to not be a Nazi but is secretly a Nazi, and I'm like, I think they're trying to directly, like, it's a left-wing bias fantasy world where they're drawing correlations between reality but from a weird left-wing view. | ||
| Like, Homelander is Superman, but he's also Donald Trump. | ||
| It's kind of a weird thing to say. | ||
| I just think the same plotline can apply to any, like, left-wing politics. | ||
| They just, of course, because it's media and Hollywood, they have to do it from an anti-right perspective. | ||
| But it's anti-right, but they're also saying Trump is Superman. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean they make fun of Hallman. | ||
| He's like, Superman is inherently fascist, Tim. | ||
| Have you considered that? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| White man with a lot of power? | ||
| Sounds like fascism to me. | ||
| There is. | ||
| There are storylines in the comic book about Superman becoming a tyrant. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean, wouldn't he immediately? | ||
| Well remember, remember, what was his name? | ||
| Phoenix Jones? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Real dude in Seattle. | ||
| He would walk around and like, fight crime. | ||
| And the left hated him. | ||
| He was a real, he probably still exists, or maybe not considering what's going on in Seattle, but he was the real life vigilante superhero who would dress up in an outfit. | ||
| He had a group with him too, like a superhero group. | ||
| And then when the Antifa riots started, he was with the cops, so they were like, you're a fascist because you're helping police. | ||
| Benjamin John Francis Sodor. | ||
| These people are destroying the city! | ||
| Like, I don't get it. | ||
| You're the bad guys. | ||
| I'm like, no, you're the bad guy. | ||
| You're helping cops. | ||
| And they would have, they would carry like a film crew around, or dudes would be on their cameras recording, so he'd gain popularity. | ||
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There was a Batman in Toronto as well a few years ago. | |
| A Batman? | ||
| But he would just go around in a Batman costume and sneak up behind people and go, WHERE ARE THEY? | ||
| And just get the shit out of them. | ||
| He wasn't fighting crime. | ||
| Not super helpful. | ||
| I gotta point out, Wikipedia says he was a real life superhero, but I'm like, no he wasn't, he was a vigilante. | ||
| Superheroes... | ||
| It implies you have powers of some sort. | ||
| This is a guy wearing a costume. | ||
| Who's the closest thing we've had to like a real life Batman? | ||
| Tim Pool? | ||
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No. | |
| Yeah, dude, no, that's true. | ||
| Well, you can't tell people about that. | ||
| The simping is next level today, Ian. | ||
| There really isn't anybody. | ||
| Clark Kent. | ||
| And I tweeted at Elon Musk, I was like, why haven't you built an Iron Man suit yet? | ||
| And he said, building Starship. | ||
| And I was like, okay, that's fair. | ||
| Is it, though? | ||
| Yeah, he's building a ship to colonize other planets. | ||
| Yeah, I just don't think that's nearly as cruel. | ||
| It's the wrong genre. | ||
| It's sci-fi and not, you know, superhero, but okay. | ||
| Well, I'll give him a pass on that one. | ||
| He's doing something, you know what I mean? | ||
| In the realm of psychology, because, like, we don't actually have people that go out and punch dudes and drag them around, but, like, psychological Batman? | ||
| Tim's a pretty good candidate. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| I gotta give a shout-out to Noah Sanders, who says, SNL was funny when Norm Macdonald was on it. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| When Norm Macdonald did that Bill Clinton, remember he was on The View, and he was saying that Clinton's killed somebody, and they were like, stop saying that, and he was like, wow, I thought this was common knowledge. | ||
| Question, Seamus, who's your favorite superhero? | ||
| Oh, that's a good question. | ||
| I guess I haven't thought about it that much. | ||
| I mean, in terms of favorite superhero movies, I loved The Dark Knight, you know, when that came out. | ||
| He just wants to do the voice. | ||
| Bane is my favorite too, Seamus. | ||
| You think the darkness is your ally? | ||
| Um, yeah, I think probably, probably Batman, but that's kind of a tough one. | ||
| I just like those films. | ||
| I haven't given it that much thought. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| Oh, geez. | ||
| I liked Gambit for a long time. | ||
| He's an X-Man. | ||
| Oh, man, my favorite superhero. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Nightcrawler. | ||
| He's pretty cool. | ||
| Oh, is he? | ||
| Wait, who's the one who's Catholic? | ||
| Is that Nightcrawler? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| He's a German dude with blue skin. | ||
| He's, like, got a tail and he can teleport. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Are you sure he's not Catholic? | ||
| I'm pretty sure he's Catholic. | ||
| He's Catholic? | ||
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I think so. | |
| Alright, you know what? | ||
| Nightcrawler's actually my favorite superhero now. | ||
| You know, because of my identity politics. | ||
| The teleportation ability is really cool. | ||
| That's, like, one of my favorite superheroes. | ||
| What about you, Lauren? | ||
| What's the blue girl who can turn into stuff? | ||
| Marvel nerds seething. | ||
| Mixing scotch with coke. | ||
| I got bad news, guys. | ||
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I got bad news guys. | |
| What? | ||
| Phoenix Jones was arrested January 2020 for allegedly selling methyl I can't say this | ||
| MDMA. | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Methylenedioxy. | ||
| Methylenedioxymethamphetamine to an undercover police officer. | ||
| How the mighty have fallen. | ||
| Oh, Jones. | ||
| That's kind of wild that like you'd think when a superhero becomes bad, they do some super villain thing. | ||
| That's the thing that people... Can you imagine if Batman broke bad, but instead of like trying to take over Gotham, he's like, Alright, I got some meth for ya. | ||
| No, he was selling MDMA. | ||
| He was saving that police officer's mental health. | ||
| Mystique. | ||
| Mystique, yes. | ||
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Mystique. | |
| I like her. | ||
| She can change form. | ||
| I don't like her. | ||
| I think that would be a cool superpower to have. | ||
| That's my question. | ||
| So, superpowers. | ||
| Oh, a good superpower. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, I feel like it's almost childish to say Superman, but 100... I mean, he's OP, but I think I'd take Superman's powers. | ||
| DC's OP. | ||
| What about, like, Jean Grey? | ||
| Who dat? | ||
| I only say Jean Grey because Professor X can't walk. | ||
| And so it's like, you'd rather have telekinesis and telepathy, but have the ability to walk and fly, too. | ||
| You know, like Jean Grey. | ||
| And, you know... You'd want telepathy? | ||
| I'm asking. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, because Professor X can control people's minds, you know what I mean? | ||
| Well, like, Superman can, like, Superman even travels back in time sometimes. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| I would want to do that. | ||
| Yeah, but he doesn't have the power to do it. | ||
| Flash can do it because he has speed force and all that, and speed force is its own thing that makes no sense, but, like, it's speed force. | ||
| Flash can also kidnap indigenous women really quickly. | ||
| Has he done that before? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's the guy who's acting him? | ||
| Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right. | ||
| Wait, but hold on, hold on. | ||
| Did that actor also moonwalk on the subway? | ||
| Because when people moonwalk on the subway, oh. | ||
| They go back in time? | ||
| I think in court they need to do a forensic analysis of that moonwalking on the subway video to make sure that's real. | ||
| Yo, that Babylon Bee article was bonkers. | ||
| Yeah, can we pull that up? | ||
| They're brutal. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Very funny. | ||
| John, I'm not... I don't even know what to say. | ||
| They're hysterical. | ||
| Who's your favorite superhero? | ||
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Superheroes, it's all Nephilim propaganda, man. | |
| Go deeper. | ||
| So true. | ||
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Tell me more. | |
| So true, Dean. | ||
| Nephilim like the ancient from the Bible, the ancient ones? | ||
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Right, yeah, yeah. | |
| You know, it's half human, half angel, or half god, right? | ||
| A lot of these superheroes are like that, right? | ||
| They got special powers. | ||
| They're like gods to the people. | ||
| And yeah, it's just Nephilim propaganda, man. | ||
| So, you know, we all need to repent from that. | ||
| Do you think the Nephilim were real? | ||
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I do. | |
| Yes, I think they're real today. | ||
| Jameis, do you think they're real? | ||
| So Nephilim is... there's this little moment in Genesis 6, I believe, where there's a mention of the Nephilim. | ||
| And it's something like that the children of God saw the daughters of men. | ||
| But there have been so many different interpretations extrapolated out of it. | ||
| There's two main ones. | ||
| I can't make heads or tails of exactly what that verse means. | ||
| Jimmy Akin did a very interesting analysis of it a little while back that I thought was super helpful. | ||
| I'll never forget doing a... | ||
| When the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men. | ||
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I know what that is. | |
| I've heard some people say that regionally there was a group of people who were very powerful who they referred to with that language. | ||
| Can I believe just that there are people out there with superpowers? | ||
| I won't tell you that you can't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Maybe some people can do things that I'm not aware of. | |
| But are they bad? | ||
| Are they evil? | ||
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I think so, yeah. | |
| Well, yeah, I think the general consensus is that they're bad. | ||
| The Nephilim were bad? | ||
| Well, that's usually how it's described. | ||
| Again, I can't speak on it too much because there's just this one short verse and there's so many interpretations taken out of it. | ||
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It's Genesis 6. | |
| There's two main views. | ||
| One is that it's the line of Seth and the line of Cain. | ||
| So, you know, they're all humans. | ||
| It doesn't really follow, it doesn't follow logic, basically, because it's like, well, you know, I should read it now. | ||
| But the other line, or the other view, is called the angel view, which is that the sons of God, which is in Hebrew, the B'nai Ha'Elohim, sons of God, That term is used in the Old Testament to basically describe a direct creation by God. | ||
| So, Adam was a son of God. | ||
| And then, you know, and later on in the Old Testament as well, the same term is used, you know, in terms of angels, right? | ||
| Most human beings, so post-Adam, would be described as son of men. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So, when it says in Genesis 6, the sons of God, it's most likely it talks about angels. | ||
| So they came down, and in the book of Enoch, which is not in the Bible, it basically says that much more clearly, which is also like a really old book, right? | ||
| It's a well-regarded book. | ||
| It's not canon, but it's highly regarded. | ||
| And in that book, also, the Sons of God is, you know, it's talking about angels. | ||
| So they came down— Isn't the book of Enoch where the dude goes up to heaven or something? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that with—oh, I'm sorry, I want to let you continue because I think— Yeah, so that's basically it. | ||
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So yeah, so they came down, they had sex with human women, and they birthed hybrid beings. | |
| Uh, who, uh, it seems like were giants. | ||
| It's not exactly clear if they were giants, but it seems like they were, because later on in the scripture you read about giants as well. | ||
| Okay, this is- Oh, sorry. | ||
| This is what I wanted to comment on actually, because I was doing a- A Nephilim? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| It's about the Nephilim. | ||
| Alright, because I don't want to move from this before I comment. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| I was doing a university course on City of God by St. | ||
| Augustine a few years back. | ||
| Okay, based? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Directed study. | ||
| And then we get to a part of the book where St. | ||
| Augustine is talking about seeing a giant skull on the beach and, like, giant bones and stuff. | ||
| And I'm like, hello, like, class, like, is anyone else seeing this? | ||
| And they're just like, no, no, no, that's not the point, Lauren. | ||
| Moving on. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| We're not going to talk about this? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what that means, but... Can I just mention something? | ||
| One last thing. | ||
| The myth of giants and cyclops likely came from elephant skulls. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they thought the trunk hole was an eye hole. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard that. | ||
| So I know that, so for example, the Catholic Church doesn't have an official teaching on like with the Nephilim War. | ||
| I know a lot of people argue that they're the sons of God could translate to like demons or fallen angels. | ||
| That's been widely speculated. | ||
| But then part of the difficulty there is that angels don't have bodies, right? | ||
| They can't procreate the way people do. | ||
| And I know that, and I just found this information. | ||
| I want to address that body thing before you move on. | ||
| Aren't they like big wheels or something? | ||
| So there's different descriptions. | ||
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There's various classes of angels. | |
| Yeah, there's different descriptions of angels. | ||
| But there is one that's described as like a big wheel with wings. | ||
| I just want to finish this. | ||
| I found a very, this could be helpful, I found a very interesting little bit here on Catholic Answers from Tom Nash and he just wrote a pretty lengthy thing on this but one part I want to zone in on because he's referencing the church fathers is that he writes, the early church fathers generally understood the sons of God to be the offspring of Seth, the righteous son of Adam, whereas daughters of men are understood to be the offspring of Cain, the immoral son of Adam, thus fallen ones could be understood as the fruit of succumbing to the corrupt Canaanite culture. | ||
| Which is an interesting interpretation. | ||
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I haven't looked at it myself, but I've heard that a lot of early church fathers actually believed the angel view, so I don't know when the Seth thing came into play, but... Well yeah, and like I said, the Nephilim thing has always been... | |
| It's always been interesting every time it's come up. | ||
| I haven't done a deep dive into it, and part of it is there is no official Catholic stance on it. | ||
| Part of why it's so tantalizing is because so little is written about it, right? | ||
| It just comes up there for a moment in the Bible and then it's not talked about again later, so people are naturally going to read things into that and try to extrapolate. | ||
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I think it's an important issue because Why was the flood sent, right? | |
| It says explicitly because of man's violence on the earth and that sort of thing, right? | ||
| All man was corrupt. | ||
| But if you read a little deeper, if it's true that these were fallen angels who came down and made it with human women, right? | ||
| That's a corruption of the human genome. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now in Genesis 3, this is right after the fall, and God, you know, God went to confront them in the garden after the fall. | ||
| You know, what did you do? | ||
| And then he basically tells, he tells a serpent, That I'm going to put war between you and the woman seed, the seed of the woman, which is a very odd phrase because a woman doesn't have seed, right? | ||
| That's a prophecy of Jesus Christ, the seed of the woman, virgin birth, right? | ||
| I'm going to put a war between you two. | ||
| So right away, there's already like, if you're Satan, you know, okay, his plan is to have, | ||
| is to basically bring about a human redeemer, right? | ||
| So this is the incarnation of Jesus Christ in the flesh to be the offering for, you know, on the sin of man. | ||
| Had to be a human being, right? | ||
| What's his plan after that, if you're Satan? | ||
| You want to corrupt the DNA of mankind, right? | ||
| So, it got so bad, it was so successful, that that's why the flood was sent, to basically wipe this out. | ||
| Because it talks about Noah. | ||
| Noah was perfect in his generations. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Noah was perfect in his generations. | ||
| Well, I would disagree, because I don't believe that Satan's interest is in corrupting human genetics, it's in corrupting man's heart. | ||
| Because that's what God wants. | ||
| God's not interested in our genes. | ||
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No, DNA is a very important part of redemption, I think. | |
| I disagree. | ||
| I think that's a very ancient Jewish view of it, right? | ||
| That's a very ancient Jewish view of it, because they believed they were the chosen people. | ||
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The term kinsmen redeemer. | |
| Why that word kinsman? | ||
| It means, you know, when you talk of somebody's kin, you talk of somebody's relative, right? | ||
| And we're part of the human family, made in the image of God. | ||
| There are other beings out there, like angels and different classes of angels. | ||
| They do not qualify for, you know, for the work of the cross, right? | ||
| Wait, repeat that? | ||
| Wait, who doesn't qualify for the work of the Council of Angels? | ||
| Angels for sure. | ||
| Angels are not human beings though, right? | ||
| So I'm saying there aren't specific kinds of human beings of whom we could say they don't have the right genetic combination in order to be saved. | ||
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No, no, it's human DNA. | |
| And the devil is not trying to alter. | ||
| But also, there are other elements here that are important. | ||
| Well, no, angels don't have DNA because they're not physical beings. | ||
| And also, there are ancient Jewish commentaries that offer up reasons for why the flood happened, one of which being that it's because men were entering into contracts with other men. | ||
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I don't think it's the main reason, but I think it's part of it. | |
| Sodom and Gomorrah. | ||
| Who came down to visit Lot? | ||
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You're talking about the angels? | |
| Sodom and Gomorrah. Who came down to visit Lot? | ||
| Are you talking about the angels? Angels. Okay, yeah, sure, sure. | ||
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When the men of Sodom and Gomorrah saw them, they wanted to rape them. | |
| You wanted to rape them, yeah. | ||
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Okay, but they're men, but they're also angels. | |
| Well, but that doesn't mean they literally have physical form, it means they're appearing in such a way so that they can communicate with the human beings in that area. | ||
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Probably hyper-dimensionality, you know, they can probably materialize. | |
| Might have light, like flying machines with light on them. | ||
| Maybe one way to explain it would be like, imagine if, on this table, there's like little tiny houses and stuff, and we are looking down at these little tiny people, and then you put your hand down and walk with your hand like it's a person. | ||
| Like it's not really a person. | ||
| I think that's a good rough analogy. | ||
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Two angels went to visit Abraham as well, right? | |
| And Sarah. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't think that angels... They ate food, right? | ||
| So they have physical bodies. | ||
| There are interesting descriptions, and I don't disagree with you, but that doesn't help. | ||
| Now let's do the hand puppet thing, where it's like, we're looking down on these little creatures, and we stick our hand in there and like, picture them. | ||
| Oh yeah, like shining a spotlight on the ground and moving it around? | ||
| If you're in a hot air balloon with a spotlight? | ||
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Yeah, so I think... | |
| Well, because also like eating... | ||
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You're talking about hyper-dimensionality, is that where you're kind of getting at, or... | |
| Yeah, there's another point... | ||
| Like they're in a separate dimension and they're only putting the tip of their finger in to | ||
| interact with us. | ||
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So... | |
| And this leads into... | ||
| Well, can I just make... | ||
| Oh, wait. | ||
| Yeah, I just want to respond to your point. | ||
| So eating, just in a very human sense, and also in terms of how it's often expressed | ||
| biblically, it's a way of relating to other people, right? | ||
| People sit down and they eat with one another. | ||
| So I think that angels either creating some kind of illusion of a physical form where | ||
| they're eating communicates a kind of community or agreement with that person, but it doesn't | ||
| necessarily say we have DNA. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And I agree, because I've seen Cookie Monster eat, but he's not really eating. | ||
| He never gets full. | ||
| It's just flapping the mouth and the cookies go flying all around. | ||
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Right, exactly. | |
| But like... | ||
| I don't think it looked like that. | ||
| No, but you know my point, like... | ||
| Oh, no, I get what you're saying. | ||
| Cookie Monster doesn't have DNA. | ||
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Dogs... | |
| It's a dude in a costume with a hand in the mouth. | ||
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Dogs have DNA, right? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm just imagining the angel like... | ||
| Okay, so Jesus... | ||
| Jesus Christ... | ||
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Jesus Christ, he became flesh, but what kind of flesh did he become? | |
| He became, yeah, the God became man. | ||
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But man, not dog, not angel, you know, say they have DNA. | |
| He did not become angel, because there were angels who sinned, right? | ||
| Yeah, fallen angels, yeah. | ||
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You know, in 2 Peter, I think he says that as well, you know, those who did not keep their first estate. | |
| So, these are angels who came down and committed sin. | ||
| So, there are angels who have sinned. | ||
| They have no chance of redemption. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because Loki and Bartleby in Dogma. | ||
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They have no chance because Jesus Christ became a man and he died for the sins of man. | |
| So if you're an angel who has sinned, you're out of luck, right? | ||
| You cannot be redeemed through that work. | ||
| What about in Dogma? | ||
| Remember, have you ever seen the movie, Dogma? | ||
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I've not seen it, no. | |
| So, Loki and Bartleby are fallen angels, and then there's a centennial at a church, and they say that all those who walk through the gates during the centennial will have their sins forgiven. | ||
| And then Bartleby's like, this is how we get into heaven, and Loki's like, what? | ||
| Church doesn't mean we can, and he was like, what you hold true on earth, I will hold true in heaven. | ||
| We will be forgiven and we can go home. | ||
| And that's the premise of the movie. | ||
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Well, it's the gospel of that movie, I guess. | |
| But it's interesting to think that a non-human could be redeemed by a human god. | ||
| Maybe that's true. | ||
| Well, because God, in the Incarnation, He stooped down to our level, in a sense. | ||
| I've heard it expressed that way. | ||
| But God is, obviously, outside of spaces, outside of time. | ||
| Through the Incarnation, God did become man. | ||
| But my understanding and part of the Catholic understanding of what's different between human and angels and part of why that redemption doesn't apply is firstly, of course, God behaves in mysterious ways. | ||
| We can't always explain or understand why he would choose for his redemption to be efficacious. | ||
| Not for the angels, but one explanation I've heard that I think is pretty compelling is because angels have the capability of acting with will in a way that's not as pronounced in human beings because we're less | ||
| intelligent than they are so because of their superior intellect | ||
| they're more capable and because they don't have physical bodies and aren't in | ||
| time the exact same way we are their choice is | ||
| permanent whenever they make one so it's not just that they can't be forgiven | ||
| it's that they can't repent. So God does not expect much of us. Well they can't repent. | ||
| Well, God, I think there's an argument to be made that he respects less of us than he, or expects less of us in a certain sense because of our corporeal form and limitations than he would expect of angels. | ||
| Because we are different beings and angels have a far superior intellect. | ||
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We were made in the image of God and angels were not. | |
| We were very special. | ||
| We're made in God's image and likeness. | ||
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Like, we're made in God's image. | |
| That's a big deal. | ||
| No disagreement there. | ||
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And the angels, they don't have that distinction. | |
| Yeah, that's an interesting point. | ||
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So maybe Adam did have superior intellect. | |
| Before the fall. | ||
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Before the fall. | |
| You're arguing. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I'd have to consider that. | ||
| I've never heard that. | ||
| I'd have to think about that. | ||
| We're going to read about that. | ||
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And he also knew what he was doing, by the way. | |
| He was not deceived, right? | ||
| Eva was deceived, by the way. | ||
| I just want to throw that out there as well. | ||
| Yeah, it does describe Eva as being deceived. | ||
| I agree that knowing the right answer and choosing to do wrong is much more sinful than not knowing and doing the wrong thing. | ||
| Well, there's increased levels of culpability based on your level of knowledge and ability. | ||
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So, you know, based on what you're saying there, too, so with Adam, he knew exactly what he was doing when, you know, he basically—so, he loved his wife so much that when she ate of the fruit and fell into sin, that he did not want to lose her. | |
| This is what I think. | ||
| I actually agree with this. | ||
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He did not want to lose her and so he also willingly partook of the fruit and willingly disobeyed to be with his wife because he loved her so much. | |
| That's a reflection of Jesus Christ and the church. | ||
| Because he willingly died as well so he could be with his church. | ||
| So, the Bride of Christ. | ||
| Can I comment on that? | ||
| Because I agree with part of that and disagree with the other part of it. | ||
| It's definitely been a part of ancient commentary, and there's a theological basis for saying one of the reasons Adam did choose to eat of the fruit was because he did not want to be separated from his wife. | ||
| However, I know that the Church and myself don't understand that to mean that that was a good thing. | ||
| And that that was an act of love because by committing that, whereas Christ's death for us was an act of love and was a good thing. | ||
| But there's more to it than that. | ||
| I've mentioned this on the show before too. | ||
| Adam sinned in the sense also that he saw his wife talking to a snake and didn't intervene. | ||
| And there's a reason the serpent went for Eve. | ||
| There's a reason the serpent went for Eve because the man is supposed to engage in discourse for the household. | ||
| And so part of the result of that is that women tend in their fallen nature, because all humans have a | ||
| fallen nature, towards usurpation and trying to take roles that are meant for men, | ||
| and men fail in the sense that we abdicate our responsibility and don't do what's necessary to protect | ||
| women. | ||
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It's also possible, because I think when God told Adam, you can't eat from this fruit, that was before Eve was made, | |
| I think, right? | ||
| So... | ||
| I think he told both of them. | ||
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So yeah, I'm not clear on that. | |
| So that's just what I'm thinking. | ||
| Do you think that Adam did the right thing by joining his wife in the tripping balls or whatever the hell they were doing? | ||
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That's tough. | |
| I mean, it's tough. | ||
| It's tough to say because, I mean, on the face of it, no, it was the wrong thing. | ||
| He simped, right? | ||
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He disobeyed God. | |
| But again, you know, it's like, You know, the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, so God knew this would happen at the same time. | ||
| So it's like, it's one of those things where I'm like, yeah, I'm not sure. | ||
| Like, it was part of the plan or not? | ||
| Also, when the serpent comes to Eve, he says, is it not true that you can't eat of any of the trees? | ||
| And she said, well, no, we can't eat from that tree. | ||
| So she did know. | ||
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She did know. | |
| But also, I find that I part- Was she told by Adam? | ||
| Or what she told... I believe she's told... I'd have to double check on that. | ||
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Anyway, it's not a big... It's just interesting. | |
| I love how before we started the podcast... Also, she was not fallen though, right? | ||
| She was not fallen, so she would have been in greater contact with God than people are now, regardless. | ||
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Now, yeah. | |
| You were literally like, this is going to become a Bible study. | ||
| The metaphor I can think of is like if my wife was smoking weed and I'm like, man, when you get high, I can't get through to you like this. | ||
| So maybe I'll smoke weed with you. | ||
| Like that's like Adam eating the fruit to be with his woman. | ||
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Maybe it was just a big old simp, you know? | |
| Well, this is one of the things, and different theologians have described this differently, but basically, Adam and Eve, they committed different sins. | ||
| Father Ripper talks about this, and I believe the way he broke it down was, I think, Adam committing seven sins and Eve committing five, and I can't remember exactly how he explained them, but one of the sins of Adam was basically what we would colloquially refer to as being a simp. | ||
| He chose the woman over God, and in doing so, he wasn't actually choosing what was good It's good for her, right? | ||
| Because you can't choose the best thing for another person unless you're choosing what God wants you to choose. | ||
| Oh man, that's tough. | ||
| I think there's something sinful in itself of going back in time and being like, all women are responsible or all men are responsible for this. | ||
| Everyone's trying to abdicate their own responsibility for original sin and sin in general. | ||
| You had a great tweet the other day that was like, stop purity testing others and start purity testing yourself. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Why, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Why not remove the beam from your own eye? | ||
| James, are you saying that rose before hose is codified in the Bible? | ||
| That's not what I'm saying. | ||
| What I'm saying is obey God, love the Lord your God with all your heart. | ||
| That's a bit different. | ||
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He broke the bros before hoes rule. | |
| That's why we're in this mess now. | ||
| You could ask what's more important, adhering to God's will or being with your wife? | ||
| But actually, God is like, I gave you all, like, imagine, you know, you hook up a guy and his wife with a place to live and food, and they're in need, and you're like, I got you this place, you can crash at my place, there's beers in the fridge, there's pizzas, just don't eat my apples, dude, like, I really, I just don't want them. | ||
| There's psilocybin in there. | ||
| No, no, it's just, they're mine, you can have anything from the fridge, You don't gotta worry about rent, just please don't eat my apples. | ||
| And then Eve's like, I'm gonna eat one. | ||
| And then he's like, okay, I guess. | ||
| Like, that's a dick move. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, well, also, I mean, God told them not to do this. | ||
| One thing that's fascinating, I know that, uh, and I'm blanking on his name, but there's an old, um, Orthodox theologian who said that God may have allowed them to eat from that tree later, but didn't think that they were ready. | ||
| I don't know if that's the official position of the church, I just find that to be an interesting commentary from an Orthodox theologian. | ||
| I'm just like, simply put, if someone is letting you stay at their place and it's like everything's taken care of. | ||
| Well, God told them not to, so of course they shouldn't do that. | ||
| God told them not to. | ||
| And what did the devil say? | ||
| You will become like gods if you do it. | ||
| He told them the same lie that people tell themselves and that he tells people today. | ||
| You will become your own god. | ||
| You will become like god. | ||
| The snake is like the neighbor who comes over and is like, eat the apple, who cares, screw this guy. | ||
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And she's like, alright. | |
| So many people treat it like a cruelty, like he was trying to prevent them from some sort of knowledge, but I almost see it the way we treat children. | ||
| Like, I don't want you to have to struggle with the same things I struggle with. | ||
| I want you to remain in your magic for as long as possible as a child. | ||
| I want to protect that world that you're in." | ||
| And God telling them, like, don't eat of this. | ||
| It's almost like, I know those apples. | ||
| I have a poison in them that's going to begin to corrupt your mind, and I don't want that for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dosage. | ||
| You know, don't eat three hits of acid, is basically what he's telling them. | ||
| Don't have the fruit. | ||
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Go slow. | |
| And she's like, you know what, I'm going to eat that. | ||
| Because I think the fruit is the psilocybin mushroom or the amanita muscaria. | ||
| They talk about the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, I think is what... The two different trees were the mushrooms that grew that had the chemicals that basically gave these animals consciousness. | ||
| And she overdosed. | ||
| She took a huge dose of it. | ||
| And then Adam's like, what? | ||
| And she's like, Adam, we are. | ||
| And he's like, what? | ||
| And then he's like, all right, I'll join... Because he loved her so much. | ||
| He's like, I wanna understand what you understand. | ||
| And God's like, this is gonna change everything. | ||
| Do not, don't go down that path. | ||
| So, I'll explain it from Ian's perspective. | ||
| So, the aliens came to Earth and were doing genetic experiments and they created these little like, you know, human monkey dudes. | ||
| And then they were just like, you no eat mushroom! | ||
| No, no! | ||
| And then he leaves and then one dude comes in and he's like, you should totally do it. | ||
| And then the female's like, oh, and eats it. | ||
| And the male's like, oh, and then eats it. | ||
| And they're like, what just happened? | ||
| Dude, I'm naked! | ||
| Except here's where I disagree. | ||
| And this is part of why I disagree. | ||
| One of the reasons I would disagree with that kind of interpretation is because it suggests that man was lower than he is now before he committed the original sin. | ||
| And now he's risen to a higher level of consciousness. | ||
| I believe it's the exact opposite. | ||
| Original sin brought us down. | ||
| Let me ask you, like, what was the apple? | ||
| It's been debated. | ||
| I mean, it actually isn't even called an apple. | ||
| It's called a fruit, but we refer to it as an apple. | ||
| And some people in other cultures actually find that kind of funny. | ||
| Like, wait, you like specifically call it an apple? | ||
| I mean, that makes it sound less metaphorical. | ||
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It doesn't really matter. | |
| But you know, some people think it was a fig. | ||
| Some people think it was a, what's it called? | ||
| It's probably, you know, it may have been just, you know, not really anything. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if you refer to like product when fruit meaning like the product | ||
| of a labor or something, you know what I mean? | ||
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Yeah, probably, you know, it may have been just, you know, not really anything. | |
| It's just it was a test. | ||
| Will you obey or will you not? | ||
| Oh, it could have literally just been like a little fruit that didn't matter at all. | ||
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And what's funny, though, is once they took of that fruit and disobeyed and committed sin, you know, God then banished them out of Eden and then put an angel with a flaming sword To basically block them from getting to the tree of life, right? | |
| Which is interesting because it's like, why did he not do that with the first tree, right? | ||
| So, it was a test. | ||
| And once they disobeyed and fell into sin, if they then took of that life tree, That may have like, you know, like sealed their fate forever. | ||
| I've actually heard that. | ||
| I think God wanted them to take the fruit. | ||
| I don't think he wanted them to, but I think he really would, right? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I think humans have free will, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then we are supposed to be virtuous people, and then if we are, and we're faithful, we're rewarded in heaven. | ||
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Because if they did not take of the fruit, they would have been, you know, like in this sort of childlike state forever. | |
| Well, but we call this the happy fault. | ||
| We call this the happy fault as well. | ||
| There's no opportunity to prove you're a good, moral, virtuous person unless you enter this space. | ||
| I don't know if that's true. | ||
| Well, because they could have proven that they were good and virtuous simply by not eating it because they would have obeyed God, but there is precedent in the Catholic tradition. | ||
| There's precedent in the Catholic tradition for referring to the happy fault, right? | ||
| So obviously, I mean, this original sin, every horrible thing that has ever happened in the world happened because of this sin. | ||
| We can't underestimate that, right? | ||
| Every genocide, every act of rape or child sexual exploitation, everything, every horrible thing that ever happened happened because of this original sin. | ||
| The severity can't be understated. | ||
| It's the fault of all of us, or it's the fault of Adam and Eve, but there's an additional element here which is that all being true, Christ was able to show us this beautiful love and God was able to show us this beautiful love As a result of that original sin being committed, he's coming to save us. | ||
| And that's why it is sometimes referred to as a happy fault. | ||
| It's a very interesting thing. | ||
| We hear a lot of stories about Jesus and the travels, the things he did, but that's like watching a TV show. | ||
| You only get the highlights, right? | ||
| The Bible even says that. | ||
| We couldn't write down everything. | ||
| There are many other things that There are shows where it's just like you watch an episode then it's like three months later and something happens and there's stuff that happens in between. | ||
| What was like the daily life of Jesus? | ||
| Yeah, I think he went to India and learned Reiki and studied Hinduism and stuff. | ||
| I don't know, I'm saying like for you Seamus, who you are a faithful and a believer, what is written, what is known about like a regular day? | ||
| I think that there's so In terms of Christ's daily life, in part, you can just sort of look to historic context, how people lived in that part of the world. | ||
| I think there's good indication that he woke up early. | ||
| There's moments in scripture where he's... Oh man, I'm trying to remember the exact passage, and I can pull it up in a little bit. | ||
| Go fishing? | ||
| Well yeah, I mean, so the apostles were fishermen, and we actually get the idea that they weren't very good at it either, because they're not really catching fish, and then Christ helps them to. | ||
| So, you just look at daily life in that region and probably something like that. | ||
| I mean, he was telling people that he was the son of God and the response was, well, is this not Joseph the carpenter's son? | ||
| And so it's clear that it was a more ordinary life in some sense. | ||
| I think the most incredible things that we do in our life are done in the most quote-unquote insignificant moments to what we would perceive as significant or interesting. | ||
| It's the day-to-day little conversations you have, it's the boring in-betweens, and yes, they highlighted the interesting stuff in the Bible, but I think it's like when life slows down and you have meaningful conversations with people that have nothing to do with media, tweets, none of that, those are the real meaningful moments. | ||
| Also, by the way, I just found it. | ||
| It's in Mark chapter 1 where it mentions Jesus getting up early before the sunrise and going out to parade. | ||
| I just started getting up early. | ||
| It's life-changing. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| No, it's true. | ||
| Getting up earlier, and this is something I've always struggled with, especially someone running a business and then having this crazy upload schedule and having a bunch of random stuff thrown at me that I don't expect. | ||
| It has been hard to get a good consistent sleep schedule, but whenever I'm able to get up in the morning, I always have just a far better day. | ||
| I saw a meme video of this girl, she's like, I know I'm gonna sound horrible, I really hate to tell you this all, but waking up at 5am, going to the gym, eating a healthy smoothie, it actually does make you happier. | ||
| I know I sound awful, I know I'm disgusting, but it is better! | ||
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I did it for about one month and it was life-changing, and then I just fell back into sleep. | |
| I know exactly what you mean, but then you remember and you go, that was so good for me. | ||
| And it's fascinating, right? | ||
| Because we live in a culture where you're never able to suggest that someone's miserable because of their own choices. | ||
| If I'm miserable, it's either because society has done something wrong to me or because my own existence is fundamentally corrupt. | ||
| There's just something wrong with my body. | ||
| do you think that there's nothing i can do to get past it but no it's all of the things that | ||
| everyone gets uh lambasted for saying will help your mental health will help your mental health | ||
| with of the exception of of course severely mentally ill people all caveats aside hey | ||
| man maybe even them you know yeah some early sunlight that you know what's weird though what | ||
| Why do you think sad music is so popular? | ||
| People like feeling emotion in general. | ||
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Because it makes you feel seen. | |
| Yes, people like that smoking until 3am, listening to sad music that's emotional. | ||
| People actually get addicted to that feeling. | ||
| And the problem is, when you can feel it in a vacuum, as like a moment in time that's Processing an important emotion, it's a good thing, but when there's people that get addicted to that constantly and all they listen to is the depressing music, all they do is enter that world. | ||
| I've noticed this with algorithms on the computer. | ||
| If I have an algorithm that is constantly Politics talking about the end of the world or, you know, gender. | ||
| I've deliberately gone out and I've followed a bunch of feminist accounts to balance out all of the woman hatred on my timeline. | ||
| I want man hatred so that I can look at it all and see the absurdity of both sides together and be like, wow, this is like, I see this happening on both sides. | ||
| Clearly it's somewhere in the middle. | ||
| You guys are delusional, blaming each other. | ||
| Your environment, your friends, the people you talk to, They 100% impact you and people who think they can keep a sane, sober mind in an environment that is completely dripping with a bias, they're delusional. | ||
| You are probably in that cult right now and you don't know it. | ||
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I got notified of some drama just now from a couple hours ago. | |
| I'm going to address it. | ||
| There's a viral edit of Jez Jennings' life, and talking about the things that have happened, and I responded to it with, where is Ron DeSantis? | ||
| This is all happening in Florida, question. | ||
| And we know that a lot of it, what's going on with Jez Jennings as a trans child, did not happen in Florida, but they do live in South Florida now, and have even expressed, I believe, they've talked about their fears about what's going on in Florida. | ||
| And I got a response from Christina Pasha and from Jeremy Uh, Redfern. | ||
| And these are both, this is, Jeremy is the Deputy Press Secretary for DeSantis, and Christina is the, um, uh, personal, uh, she's still the Press Secretary, I believe. | ||
| And so, uh, she said, uh, what did she say? | ||
| I regret to inform you that Jazz is 22 and the Governor doesn't have a time machine. | ||
| I'm not sure which state this picture just happened in, but if it was in Florida, Jazz was a minor before DeSantis was Governor. | ||
| And I just kind of feel like they're either completely ignorant over what we've talked about in the show and what's being addressed, Jeremy said, but how is it supposed to get outrage clicks? | ||
| Pretty sure that there are videos showing that Jazz is not willing to take a medical device and place it into a wound to separate it, and has been severely depressed, and the mother's saying it's your fault, and the mother's threatening to wring the neck of Jazz Jennings. | ||
| So, if they're currently living in South Florida, and when I say, like, what's going on? | ||
| Where is the DeSantis administration? | ||
| And your response is, he doesn't have a time machine! | ||
| Y'all can go fuck yourselves. | ||
| Because that's a pathetic response. | ||
| Very pathetic. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Have a nice day. | ||
| My heart just goes right out to Jazz Jennings. | ||
| They're in South Florida. | ||
| Jazz is 22 and an adult. | ||
| But that doesn't change the fact that if somebody is being... If the mother goes on TV and says, if Jazz lets the wound close, I will wring her neck. | ||
| It's kind of like... | ||
| Do you do nothing? | ||
| Is there not even a statement to be made like we're concerned about this? | ||
| Just nothing? | ||
| Just you don't have a time machine? | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| I'm real confident in your administration. | ||
| Well, there's so many factors there. | ||
| There's the one, like family, that's so much pressure, trying to appease your family, make sure they're happy. | ||
| They're the people you're going to be closest with your entire life. | ||
| And then two, once it's already done, once the surgery is already done. | ||
| Jazz Jennings has no choice right now but to double down, double down, double down, triple down. | ||
| And I don't know if there's any help at that point. | ||
| Like you said, you're right, it is a bit of a dismissive statement. | ||
| We don't have a time machine, but man, what a just horrific kerfuffle that no one can get out of. | ||
| My heart totally goes out to Jack. | ||
| It's mind-boggling to me that you could do that to someone and not end up in prison. | ||
| It's just, like, literally the most pathetic response. | ||
| And what little strength I saw in the DeSantis administration is gone. | ||
| Because we had the issue with Trump's extradition, and Ron DeSantis' response was, I'm not going to get involved. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, just say no. | ||
| You don't have to do anything other than be like, you're not extraditing him, he can choose to go, but I'm not going to let you do it. | ||
| And I was like, okay, but it's fine, because I think Ron's still a really great governor, and he still does speak out, he's doing a really, really good job. | ||
| But like, I think this, the reason they're really mad, I think the reason is press people are like, he doesn't have a time machine, is because they're impotent in the issue. | ||
| They will not go up against a TLC channel celebrity trans kid, despite the fact the mother is on TV saying, if you don't do this, I will do it. | ||
| Like, that's a threat of assault, to insert a medical device into someone who is an adult, who is saying no to it. | ||
| And their response is, Doesn't have a time machine? | ||
| You know what, man, that is just so fucking pathetic. | ||
| Like, the moment the show comes out, there should be a- the DeSantis administration should be like, we're putting our AG or our criminal investigative division, because they're gonna have footage from that show, and it looks like that's probable cause of a threat of force against an individual, you know, who's clearly- like, I'll put it this way, Jazz Jennings not doing the dilation indicates Jazz does not want to, right? | ||
| As an adult. | ||
| The mother then says, I've woken her up and said, if you don't stick this in you, I will. | ||
| And then later said, if she leaves and it closes, I will wring her neck. | ||
| At that point, should you be like, I think we should have a criminal investigation of potential abuse? | ||
| It sounds like coercive control, which is a type of inter-family violence. | ||
| But it's kind of like taking a medication that if, because if she doesn't dilate it, it'll seal up and she could die from infection. | ||
| Jeez, yeah, that's... | ||
| It's kind of like, I will make you stay alive. | ||
| So it's not really a threat of violence, although it is a kind of a... It is. | ||
| What was already done is obscenely violent. | ||
| But just like, you destroyed this person's body. | ||
| If an adult is taking a choice in and of themselves, and an individual then says, like, if an adult comes to another adult and says, if you do not do this thing, I will do it. | ||
| I will insert this into your body. | ||
| Like, I think at the very least right there, it warrants Yeah. | ||
| an inquiry of some sort. But more importantly, when she says to the camera, if it closes, | ||
| I will ring her neck. That combined with the other one implies there are threats of violence | ||
| against jazz to do this. And the the the administration could simply be like a woman | ||
| on television threatened said she will choke her child who is an adult if she does not insert a | ||
| medical device into was like a flippant statement. Yeah, I'm like. | ||
| Like, oh, I'll wring her neck. | ||
| Like, was it like that? | ||
| Or was it more like, I will literally wring her neck? | ||
| No, it was not an imminent threat of violence. | ||
| She said this. | ||
| She said, if Jazz goes to college and that thing seals up, I will wring her neck. | ||
| But was that like a... I can understand that being interpreted both ways, like... It is the combination of the two soundbites that I believe warrants at the very least... Well, I'm not defending the parents, don't get me wrong, but I'm just wondering how the police... But when she said it's a protected speech to say something like that, if you say on Tuesday at 4pm I'm going to wring the person's neck, that becomes an imminent threat of violence. | ||
| But I'm talking about the combination of these two statements. | ||
| The one, I wake Jazz up in the middle of the night and say, if you don't do this, I will. | ||
| You argue, well, it's a medical thing that has to be done. | ||
| That's creepy. | ||
| But then you add to it her saying, I will wring your neck. | ||
| Yes, we understand threatening to wring someone's neck may be a figure of speech, like, I will be very angry with you. | ||
| But she already said she wakes Jazz up and says, if you don't do this thing, I will do it to you. | ||
| Combine those two things, and now I think a reasonable... Here's what I think. | ||
| I think the Descendants administration is terrified to actually take a strong cultural stance on what appears to be severe, severe abuse stemming over a very long period of time. | ||
| But now this family lives in their jurisdiction and is currently engaged in questionable behaviors that I believe are abuse. | ||
| Maybe they're not fine. | ||
| I'm saying, at the bare minimum, there could be an inquiry, but they won't do it because they're scared. | ||
| The left will go nuts. | ||
| DeSantis will have no way to deal with the press. | ||
| I think, this shows me, and what my concern is with the DeSantis presidency, is that he will compromise, negotiate, and bend to the press. | ||
| He won't come out and just be like, that's horrible. | ||
| Donald Trump's the kind of guy that if he saw that clip on Tucker, he would immediately go out onto a stage and be like, what is this thing with this woman? | ||
| Did you see this? | ||
| She's saying she's going to stick the- oh my god! | ||
| Trump would just come out and start saying it. | ||
| A lot of this, I think, hinges on Jazz and what Jazz wants. | ||
| Because if Jazz goes to the authorities and is like, she won't leave me alone, she's forcing me, then I think there will be an inquiry. | ||
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But you know, when somebody is being manipulated like that their whole life, it's hard for that to happen, right? | |
| She's probably under some psychological control or something. | ||
| What happens right now is the DeSantis administration sends a letter to the production company saying | ||
| it's in order to preserve video and evidence, then just says, we are going to issue a subpoena | ||
| as part of an investigation and we're going to look at this footage and see what's there, | ||
| and then start looking at the behind the scenes clips of what may be abuse. | ||
| And that's an inquiry that maybe stops and says, we think it's bad, but we don't think | ||
| it goes that far. | ||
| Instead, it's like, you don't have a time machine. | ||
| That's not an answer, dude. | ||
| Like, this stuff's still going on, the show is on the air. | ||
| This person is depressed, morbidly obese, didn't go to college, talks about severe mental health issues, and you have videos of the mother saying very, very awful things. | ||
| I think, like, if there's one thing government would do, it's like... | ||
| If there's a reason for law enforcement to exist, it is to prevent that from happening to a child. | ||
| But she's not a child. | ||
| I know, but no, I understand that they aren't anymore, but I'm saying the fact that that was able to happen in the first place is a tragedy. | ||
| But the age of majority in instances of familial abuse, you don't stop being protected by the law because you're an adult now. | ||
| A coercive relationship where you're being, like, if it was an adult woman, an adult man, and the man said to the woman something about sticking something inside her, and then later said he'd wring her neck, he'd be arrested in two seconds! | ||
| But she would have to be the one that came to the police and presented that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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No? | |
| Well, for a medical treatment. | ||
| Imagine this scenario. | ||
| Imagine this scenario. | ||
| A video emerges of a man saying, I wake my wife up in the middle of the night, I say, if you don't stick this thing, I will do it. | ||
| And then later says, like, if she goes out and she doesn't do it, I'm gonna wring her neck. | ||
| Because doesn't she have to be the one that presses charges? | ||
| No. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| So the state is the one that presses charges, not the individual. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't want big daddy government being like, ooh, you said a bad word, we're coming to get you. | ||
| No, I'm talking about a guy saying he's waking up a woman in the middle of the night and saying he's going to stick something in her. | ||
| Yeah, like a needle, like in a medical treatment. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Like some intravenous diabetes thing. | ||
| And then later says, if she doesn't, I'm going to wring her neck. | ||
| If she doesn't take her insulin, I'm going to... That would result in the cops knocking on the door and saying, ma'am, we'd like to have a word with you. | ||
| Dude, I have seen guys get arrested for so much less. | ||
| There's a video of a woman hitting herself with a hammer and then her husband gets arrested. | ||
| Like, it is remarkably easy for a woman to call the cops and say, my husband threatened me, they show up in two seconds. | ||
| But she's the one who made the report. | ||
| Neighbors can call and say, I'm hearing a fight next door and the man's screaming and they will take the guy out of the house and say, go somewhere else for the night. | ||
| We have a video, we have decades of footage, we have all of these public statements from Jazz that are questionable, and then the mother saying these things on TV, and the DeSantis administration is like, well, we don't have a time machine, so... The best thing I think we can do is have compassion for Jazz, be here for Jazz, and let Jazz make the decision. | ||
| Anyone who has transitioned as a child, I have infinite sympathy for, infinite, because there's no way, like someone in that psychological state, you can, and you can never expect them to come out and say what was done to me was wrong because the amount of weight and like the pillars of salt and sand they're gonna have to undo for their entire vision of the world and their future, you know, that's accepting my future is over, who I am is over, my chance of having the family that I wanted, all of these things is over, That is such an overwhelming ask of someone. | ||
| All you can do is give them sympathy at this point in their life and maybe they can work through that eventually. | ||
| But holy, they have been so set up for failure, it's not even funny. | ||
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I agree. | |
| It's not a little bit funny. | ||
| It's such an unbelievably difficult and strenuous uphill battle for that person to ever be capable of seeing the truth about what was done to them, the nature of Of who they are, the fact that their identity was taken from them rather than affirmed, the fact that they will never be able to have things that the rest of us just take for granted that we can have. | ||
| I mean, it's barbaric. | ||
| You'll have different things though, Jazz. | ||
| You'll have a different life than a lot of people but it'll still be pretty cool. | ||
| Yeah, there's no need to despair. | ||
| Beautiful soul in there. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think it's important, like, when we discuss these things, we want to speak very clearly about how absolutely horrible this is, to deter people from doing this, to speak truth, to make clear what's happened, while also allowing people who have had this horror inflicted upon them to know that they need not despair. | ||
| They can still have a good, a very beautiful and wonderful and important part of life has been taken from you, but that does not mean your life doesn't have meaning, and that does not mean you can't have a good life. | ||
| Something beautiful was stolen from you, but that does not mean that you need to despair and that there will not be good things in your life. | ||
| Yeah, there could be hundreds of millions of kids that feel out of their body right now, Jazz, that you're speaking to, that you could guide through life and help them you know, reduce pain. I mean, that's just ease the pain | ||
| and suffering of young people and adults even that are going through it. You're in a position of | ||
| power and really importance right now. | ||
| The response I'm getting from the DeSantis people is just like false arguments, sophistry, | ||
| and deflection. Jazz is an adult and DeSantis has banned gender surgeries so that people won't | ||
| grow up with the same pain and regret. | ||
| I said, it's happening now. | ||
| Did you even watch the video? | ||
| Are people allowed to force medical devices into adults against their will in Florida? | ||
| Apparently, the answer is yes. | ||
| Apparently, the answer is right now, if you're in Florida and you have an adult child and you say, if you don't stick this in you, I'll do it, and then later saying publicly, I will wring their neck if they don't, that's totally fine, not questionable in any way. | ||
| So, okay, Florida. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| If the mom was to be charged, who would bring the charges? | ||
| The state. | ||
| The state always brings the charges. | ||
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And that's the prosecutor, right? | |
| Yeah, people make the mistake of thinking that an individual pressing charges is the one bringing the charges. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| So, in fact, there's many circumstances where a person, let's say you're like walking down the street and a guy comes up to you and shoves you and a cop watches it. | ||
| You can say, Officer, I don't want to press charges. | ||
| Typically, the cop will say, OK. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But for two reasons. | ||
| One, it's easier just to say fine. | ||
| And two, without a complaining witness, there's almost no case. | ||
| However, if the cop watches it happen, he can say, Buddy, I don't need you. | ||
| I witnessed it. | ||
| I'm taking the report. | ||
| Sir, you're under arrest. | ||
| And Mirandizing is only a part of an investigation. | ||
| So I love these videos of leftists being like, I have not been read my rights. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| Cops don't have to read you your rights if they know you committed the crime. | ||
| Can you go and retroactively enforce a law that was passed after the actual... No, and you shouldn't be able to, but I'm not talking about that. | ||
| See, what they're doing right now is they're conflating that Jazz went through these surgeries, therefore I'm insisting they use a law retroactively. | ||
| I'm literally talking about a video that came out of them in Florida and the mother saying, if you don't do this, I will, and if you don't, I'll wring your neck. | ||
| I can tell you, dude, if there's a video of Jazz being like, No, stop! | ||
| Stop! | ||
| And the mom coming at her and putting something inside her body, then she'll have to knock on the door from the authorities. | ||
| So my point is, if I hear fighting next door, and I call the police and say, I hear a man and woman fighting, they will show up and at least knock on the door and say, can we speak to you alone? | ||
| I did that once. | ||
| And the cops will separate the man and the woman and say, what's going on? | ||
| Here we have a video of the mother saying, if you don't do... I have woken Jess up in the middle of the night and I have said, I've taken the dilator and lubricated it and said, if you don't stick this in your vagina, And then she goes on. | ||
| I'm not going to repeat what she said. | ||
| And I'm like, that right there should warrant a knock on the door. | ||
| And their response is, well, we don't have a time machine. | ||
| You know what, man? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Let's go to Super Chats and we'll see what y'all have to say. | ||
| Can I throw a social hand grenade in quickly? | ||
| Yeah, please. | ||
| So you have kind of the right-wing side. | ||
| This is actually a Stone Toss meme, I think. | ||
| They talk a lot about how we need to make it illegal for child sex transitions and genital mutilation. | ||
| Do you guys think that genital mutilation against men as children in the form of circumcision should be legal? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think that those two things are equivalent, but I don't think it should be legal, no. | ||
| It happened to me, and I never really suffered, so I don't really care. | ||
| Uh, so the issue is, I think it results in, like, removing 70% or whatever of nerve endings. | ||
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So I think... No complaints, I can say. | |
| Plenty of nerve endings. | ||
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Good point. | |
| I want to understand the way— Good point. | ||
| And also no one—so, well, there's a couple different important points to make about this. | ||
| So again, while I do not believe that circumcision is at all equivalent to what they're doing to children now with these quote-unquote transitions, I still am very against it. | ||
| I don't think it should be legal. | ||
| And also... | ||
| The kinds of medical circumcisions that are done today, from what I understand, are very different from the ones that were done in the Bible, too. | ||
| Now, again, the circumcisions that the New Testament makes clear are not required. | ||
| We're supposed to have a circumcision of the heart, but even so, people will start talking about, like, Jewish communities. | ||
| Even then, that's not the kind of circumcision where you remove all of it, from what I understand. | ||
| Those were, like, done by necessity. | ||
| The way it's done now is very different. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Back then it would be, like, if you get infected, so they would have to clean it. | ||
| We gotta go to Super Chats. | ||
| If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, become a member. | ||
| Let's read. | ||
| Brett Tesdahl says, Tim, as I write this, you're getting a shout-out for your show last night on the Mark Levin Show. | ||
| Oh, cool. | ||
| That was a great show last night. | ||
| Very cool. | ||
| Tiffany Garrison says, Hi Tim, I checked and your crochet Roberto Jr. | ||
| arrived today. | ||
| My teens and I loved making him for you. | ||
| Trying to get these teens off their phones. | ||
| If you want more for the store, let us know. | ||
| We will check it out. | ||
| We'll go pick it up. | ||
| Amos Moses says, Look into the story about two guys facing life in prison for engraving Schematic of an NFA item on a metal business card. | ||
| The ATF even had difficulty using the schematic to create a full-auto rifle with a couple of failed attempts. | ||
| Okay, so I think of an... What do you say? | ||
| Engraving a schematic of an NFA item. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Yes, it's a metal card with a drawing on it, and if you cut it out, it makes a component that can be used in a weapon, and they've criminally charged these guys. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Flufferboy says, Ian, I love you. | ||
| You're a beautiful human. | ||
| I love your name, Flufferboy. | ||
| All right, we'll grab some more Super Chats. | ||
| Let's scroll down and see what we got. | ||
| Bo Rai Cho says, yo, that show was lit last night. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Shout out to Lance. | ||
| Thanks for coming down, man. | ||
| 12 hour journey, bro. | ||
| Of course, now the response from the left is that Lance was not the right person for the debate. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think we won't really debate. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I didn't expect a debate. | ||
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It was cool to talk about, you know, Vastly different. | |
| There's always a debate because what happens every time a lefty comes on the show is before the show starts they say something that's just absolutely untrue and then there's like nothing that can be done. | ||
| I can't just sit here and be like oh okay that's fine. | ||
| The funny thing is we're talking like dude if we were talking about the banking industry we would have just been agreeing all night. | ||
| So the issue is like, hey, there's a video showing people in Canada being dragged out of their homes during COVID lockdowns. | ||
| No, that never happened. | ||
| I'm like, there's videos of it. | ||
| It's like, I can't just say like, you're right, it never happened, even though I've seen the videos. | ||
| Like, they just say things that aren't true. | ||
| And then I'm like, okay, well, there are videos, I'll pull them up. | ||
| And then the other issue is like, When it comes to studies, it's all selective. | ||
| So one of the big contentious moments was there are two peer-reviewed studies about desistance being 61 to 98 percent, and he says, I reject those because a meta-analysis of 51 studies says otherwise, but like a meta-analysis is not a peer-reviewed study. | ||
| It did not go through science. | ||
| It is the opinion of researchers who read other opinions. | ||
| There were 55 studies analyzed, 52 or 3 of them had some result. | ||
| No one can lie like someone who can talk about numbers. | ||
| You look at all the studies that came out that were highlighted in the New York Times, Atlantic, everything, talking about how illegal immigrants commit less crime, and then sure enough, you have an analysis done of those studies, and they don't usually register illegal immigrants as such until they're in prison, and then they get their status. | ||
| So when you're using the data based off just arrest, it's like, duh, you're not going to be getting anything. | ||
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I'm no longer persuaded by studies. | |
| I know, I know. | ||
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It's probably bullshit. | |
| You have to look at the methodology of the study. | ||
| I'm not going to read all that. | ||
| Oh yeah, how many people were studied? | ||
| One of the most effective ways to use studies when you work in politics is to know your opponent's studies so you can know exactly why they're nonsense. | ||
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Well, if someone wants to do all that research, all power to them. | |
| Let's read some more. | ||
| I don't get into polls anymore. | ||
| All right, Coldilocks Production says, just correcting you from two days ago, Iron Dome has been tested against both Scud, Mach 5 and 6 ballistic missiles, and low-alt subsonic cruise missiles, and has been successful. | ||
| The rockets fired by Hamas are smaller than drones. | ||
| It can stop, uh, what does it say? | ||
| It says it can drone swarms. | ||
| So it stopped drone swarms, I believe. | ||
| Raymond G. Stanley Jr. | ||
| says Batman has no superpowers, but he's a superhero. | ||
| Yes, he actually does. | ||
| It's called peak human. | ||
| That's the phrase in comic books when a person has seemingly absurd powers that they say aren't powers. | ||
| So, for instance, Batman can teleport when he's in a bank vault with one exit, and then the guy turns around, and then he turns around, Batman's gone! | ||
| And it's like, he has no... Okay, come on. | ||
| Is that like Daredevil? | ||
| It's called being rich. | ||
| He bank-transferred the guy who was guarding the bank and he's like, sick. | ||
| Well, it'll be like, he'll be in a room and the guy will be talking and then turn around and look at something. | ||
| When he turns back, Batman's gone. | ||
| That's not possible in the real world. | ||
| Is Daredevil peak human? | ||
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It's movie magic. | |
| Daredevil actually has superpowers. | ||
| He's like a bat. | ||
| What's Daredevil's power? | ||
| He got splashed in the face with a chemical that took away his eyes but amplified his senses beyond human hypersensitivity. | ||
| Hypersenses, and so he can see like sonar in 360 degrees. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Did they make a Moon Knight movie? | ||
| They made a show, and they just ruined Moon Knight. | ||
| I used to read that one when I was younger, but I never watched the show. | ||
| But that was like Marvel's Batman, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now it's actually just an Egyptian superhero who's got mummy powers. | ||
| Mummy powers. | ||
| Yeah, so like Moon Knight was just a rich guy in a suit who was kind of like Batman, but a little crazier. | ||
| And then Moon Knight the show is about a guy who is crazy, but has the ability to summon the power of the Egyptian gods. | ||
| And then, you know, whatever. | ||
| It was an okay show, I guess. | ||
| Hequibus says, what about kids in the hall? | ||
| Come on, Lauren. | ||
| Canada. | ||
| Kids in the hall was legit. | ||
| What's kids in the hall? | ||
| It's like a sketch comedy show. | ||
| Dave, what's Dave's last name? | ||
| Is this a Canadian thing? | ||
| Am I like, oh-oh? | ||
| The guy with the lettuce head? | ||
| That was a funny skit. | ||
| There's a funny skit where these two guys are like looking at their neighbor's gazebo. | ||
| And so then they lift it up and steal it. | ||
| And then she comes out and there's like a hole in her yard where the gazebo was. | ||
| And she sees them in the yard partying. | ||
| So she calls the cops. | ||
| And then the cops are like, where did you get this gazebo? | ||
| And they're like, we bought it from our friend. | ||
| And like, where? | ||
| And it's like, they go to an abandoned house, and they like, throw a rock at the window, and this crazy guy looks out, and the cops are like, excuse me, sir, did you sell these boys a gazebo? | ||
| And he's like, no, no. | ||
| And they're like, you may not remember us, the gazebo? | ||
| And he's like, do you sell these boys anything? | ||
| And then he's like, the gazebo? | ||
| And then I think it's, um... Dave Foley? | ||
| Dave Foley. | ||
| He's like, I did sell these boys a gazebo! | ||
| And then, you know, it's a funny skit. | ||
| You gotta see it. | ||
| I feel like I've lost my Canadian card. | ||
| Old school funny. | ||
| Yeah, 1984. | ||
| I did see a horde of moose the other day, so. | ||
| Really? | ||
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A whole horde of them. | |
| I did actually. | ||
| A whole horde. | ||
| There were like ten. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And then I was like so fascinated with them I didn't take a picture, so clearly I'm lying if you don't. | ||
| Nothing exists if you didn't film it. | ||
| I love mooses. | ||
| Jeffrey Rook says, well if she's doing meth, CPS should get involved because she's trying to kill the chat. | ||
| But I mean, meth is illegal, so. | ||
| Guy last night was pretty smart, but always defaulted to default narrative. | ||
| Have $50 for YouTube clipping that delicious moment. | ||
| I couldn't believe that he actually said that. | ||
| That's not what I expected him to say. | ||
| Said what? | ||
| So, Seamus said, a woman can do whatever she wants to the baby if it's inside her. | ||
| He said, no, but it's her body, so she can choose. | ||
| And I said, what about meth? | ||
| And then he said, well, Child Protective Services could get involved. | ||
| And I said, you know, why? | ||
| And he was like, because then she's just trying to intentionally kill the child. | ||
| And I was like, wait a minute. | ||
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What? | |
| I don't understand what you're saying. | ||
| You think she's allowed to terminate the life of the baby with a doctor, but she can't do anything that would intentionally interminate the life of the baby? | ||
| Makes no sense. | ||
| It's like its own special trolley question. | ||
| Like, if you pull the lever, then it'll die via meth. | ||
| It wasn't a trick question. | ||
| It wasn't a trick question. | ||
| I thought his response was going to be something like, oh come on, like meth isn't a medically necessary procedure about making the decision of whether or not you're going to have a child. | ||
| It is an abusive drug that causes damage to your body and won't even necessarily kill the child. | ||
| It could just cause serious injury and harm to both you and the child. | ||
| There's a big difference. | ||
| I thought he was going to say something like that because it was not a trick question. | ||
| I was like, Trying to see where he would draw the lines morally. | ||
| Instead, he just outright said, you can't intentionally kill the child. | ||
| And I'm like, wait, what? | ||
| See, this is why you should just have a show where you like quickly run across the table and dress up in a different costume and debate yourself as a leftist. | ||
| It's like playing chess against yourself. | ||
| I can argue their position is better than them. | ||
| Colt Worathe says, Tim, I have been looking into the Nephilim for years. | ||
| Please have on Deer and Sharon Gilbert to cover this topic for you. | ||
| They are not Sethites. | ||
| It's Derek. | ||
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Derek Gilbert. | |
| Oh, Derek? | ||
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He's a good guy. | |
| They are not Sethites, and there are threads that run all through the Bible. | ||
| So, one recommendation I can make, too, and I've shouted him out on this show before, but I think Jimmy Akin would be a very interesting guest for any religious discussion, especially about these matters. | ||
| He has a podcast called Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World, where he goes into a bunch of weird conspiracy theories and stuff, but from a Catholic perspective. | ||
| A Catholic convert. | ||
| Chris Placek, in the regular chat, said, Tim's wrong about Moon Knight. | ||
| It's always been about the Egyptian gods, but you can never tell if it's real or he's crazy. | ||
| Oh, there you go, cool. | ||
| Oh, like American Psycho. | ||
| Never saw it. | ||
| That's Christian Bale? | ||
| I like to see where he's stretching. | ||
| You can't tell in the entire movie if he's having a hallucination or if he's actually done all these things. | ||
| You can't tell if his actions are good or bad? | ||
| That too! | ||
| That's the point of the film! | ||
| I've actually never seen it. | ||
| Trevor Lynch says the Nephilim are spoken about and alluded to all over the Bible. | ||
| That's what the conquests of Joshua was about, clearing the Rephaim, giant Nephilim clans from the land. | ||
| Also, one Peter and Jude is referenced. | ||
| I wonder if they were the Denisovans. | ||
| You know that other hominid? | ||
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Yeah, I don't think so, but yeah, that's interesting. | |
| Like an ancient hominid that wasn't a homo sapien? | ||
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Yeah, I think Hancock talks about the, uh, whatever you say. | |
| Denisovans? | ||
| They're like Himalayan. | ||
| They're like up in North Asia. | ||
| I love that conversation people have about, like, why the uncanny valley exists. | ||
| Like, why humans are afraid of things that look like them but aren't quite them. | ||
| And it's like, well, clearly we evolved to have this reaction because there was something on earth that was our mortal or physical enemy. | ||
| Neanderthals. | ||
| Or looked like us but wasn't quite Lauren, I have another explanation. | ||
| Juice bumps, man. | ||
| What if it's because we as humans are more than pure machinations, and even if you get something that's identical to us in terms of appearance, we know there's no soul? | ||
| I hope so, because A.I. | ||
| is coming. | ||
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A.I. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I'm racist against robots, for sure. | ||
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All I will say is, stay human. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Stay human. | ||
| Keep your distance from my biopic. | ||
| Andrew G says, solving last night proportional response debate, in every jurisdiction in USA a threat of deadly force is treated the same as actual deadly force. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Just gotta adhere to the eyewitnesses. | ||
| Rusta says, I can answer this now. | ||
| God granted us free will because without free will we cannot truly love. | ||
| God created us for love, and without the possibility to reject God's love, it would not have been true love. | ||
| Amen. | ||
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You know, it's kind of cliche, but love really is the main theme of Scripture, really. | |
| It transcends everything. | ||
| The Greeks have it broken down into eight different types. | ||
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Yeah, there are different types. | |
| Erotic love, there's familial love, love of friendship, you know. | ||
| JN says, the reason for the tree of knowledge of good and evil is since Adam and Eve were created in a perfect world and in order to exercise free choice, you need at least one option that is opposite from everything else, which was good. | ||
| Also, that same tree was a form of the law. | ||
| I think that's an interesting interpretation. | ||
| Well, that's similar to what I think you guys were saying. | ||
| I think that everything's perfect, but you're given the option to do the opposite. | ||
| Otherwise, you're not really good if there's no chance to not be good. | ||
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You're basically a robot at that point. | |
| In the Garden of Evil, they said God was there. | ||
| If it was actually a dude that was speaking as God, and then over time, as the people die and other people are born, they become the God of the time, and they're like, now I am God. | ||
| And as the story's written, it's always about God, but it happens to be whoever that human was at that time. | ||
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Kind of like the Matrix in number six. | |
| This is one thing that disturbs me about the garden story. | ||
| I've been reading C.S. | ||
| Lewis' The Weight of Glory lately, and at the beginning he talks about the idea that a lot of sin and a lot of, you know, the depths of humanity that people get to, they usually are pursuing them because they're trying to fill something in themselves. | ||
| They've got this intimation of deprival and they're just exercising it in the wrong ways. | ||
| They really want to find that wholeness. | ||
| They want to be loved. | ||
| So they go to, they do a bunch of drugs, orgies, this, that, because they're trying to fill a hole in themselves. | ||
| And then I wonder what And that makes sense to me. | ||
| We've all got this longing for something outside of ourselves. | ||
| But what hole in themselves were the people in the garden trying to fill? | ||
| That's an interesting question. | ||
| It's a very interesting question. | ||
| I mean, how does he temper? | ||
| You will be like God. | ||
| There's an argument to be made. | ||
| Because there was an original sin, there wasn't necessarily a hole to fill, but they still chose to do wrong. | ||
| Apparently God knew dudes with flaming swords, and maybe they wanted one of those. | ||
| I also think that part of that, too, is with this idea of the angel with the flaming sword not being able to return. | ||
| We'll never have paradise on earth, right? | ||
| That's just not possible for us, I guess, until the Azkatan, when God recreates the world. | ||
| But none of our ideologies, none of our attempts to create heaven on earth are ever going to be successful. | ||
| We have left the garden. | ||
| We got some trouble. | ||
| Deuce Bigelow says, Tim, did you see Christina Pishaw and Jeremy Redfern take you to task over your unreasonable standards for DeSantis? | ||
| You should have those two on to address them. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I'm gonna totally concede the argument outright. | ||
| I surrender. | ||
| If you're on camera saying that you have to wake up someone to threaten to stick a medical device into a neo-vagina, and that if they don't do it, you'll wring their neck, in Florida, that is okay. | ||
| And if there's nothing they can do about it, I accept that's Florida's current standard and that there's no action that will be taken. | ||
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If there's one thing I really hate... End of story. | |
| If there's one thing I really hate about this whole, like, it's Trump versus DeSantis thing, it's like, you know, you have this issue and, you know, there's a real soul that, you know, that is now suffering in this story, but they don't care. | ||
| It's about, how does this, you know... | ||
| Is this pro-DeSantis? | ||
| Or is this pro-Trump? | ||
| And, you know, how does it benefit my guy? | ||
| Like, it's just this brainless civil war almost. | ||
| And it's just, it's so boring too. | ||
| Like, it's just, I don't know. | ||
| I don't like how that... | ||
| is going right now. | ||
| I do not care about Trump vs. DeSantis at all. | ||
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I don't care. | |
| I actually have both terms muted on my timeline right now on Twitter. | ||
| Trump vs. DeSantis. | ||
| I just don't want to see it. | ||
| But yeah, it's about jazz. | ||
| It's about what is right to be done for them. | ||
| Well, no, no, no. | ||
| I'll say it. | ||
| If in the state of Florida there is no action that they can take, if a person's on camera saying they wake a person up in the middle of the night and say, if you don't stick this in you, I will do it, and that if they don't do it, you'll wring their neck, if that is not a standard by which law enforcement can take any action, Well, that's unfortunate, I guess. | ||
| We should reach out to Christina Pasha. | ||
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That'd be fire episode. | |
| I'm pretty sure... I think we've both invited both of them many times. | ||
| Good publicity for all. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
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That would be good, I think. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, if you really think it's an unrealistic standard, give them a platform to say why. | ||
| Yeah, I would love for them to come and explain why it is that DeSantis cannot take any action in that regard when this person is saying this. | ||
| Because I'm not talking about the surgery that happened, you know, five years ago out of state. | ||
| I'm talking about the video right now showing that this stuff currently happens in South Florida. | ||
| I think you've got evidence that Jazz is severely depressed. | ||
| You've got reason to believe that this is the cause of it. | ||
| The mother on camera saying, you are your own worst enemy. | ||
| It's your fault. | ||
| I'm like, these are all very clear signs of abuse. | ||
| Which, like, I think in any other circumstance, they would have law enforcement on. | ||
| Here, let me read this one. | ||
| This is from Matthew Roos says, the man can be bleeding from the wife attacking him and the police will take him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a viral video where they have a guy and a woman walk down the street and the man screams at the woman and is pushing her and everyone runs up and shoves him and says, you back off. | ||
| Then they inverted it and have the woman literally striking the man and everyone laughs at him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a real thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| We'll read some more. | ||
| Robert Betchman says, I'm going to Japan next week for my first work installation as an electrical engineer. | ||
| Please pray for me or at least wish me luck. | ||
| P.S. | ||
| Great job last night. | ||
| Well, good luck. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| Where we at? | ||
| Lunderwear says you should make a high-caffeine light roast and call it Focus with Bocus. | ||
| That's a really good idea. | ||
| And we got people very smart watching this show. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| And KM says, hey Tim, really enjoyed the Culture War episode today, it was really funny. | ||
| That was me, Seamus, and Lauren! | ||
| And here we are again, doing another show. | ||
| Yeah, it was a fun episode, go watch it. | ||
| It's a fun time over there. | ||
| YouTube.com slash Timcast. | ||
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That's right. | |
| Went up today, and it's more of just like a loose conversation about a whole bunch of different stuff. | ||
| Very fun. | ||
| Nathan C says, the irony is Tim is mad at DeSantis over jazz, but DeSantis is the only governor in office fighting back against transgenderism with real policy. | ||
| So, I didn't come out and say Ron DeSantis is a bad guy for not doing it. | ||
| I didn't come out and say, I hate Ron DeSantis. | ||
| I said, where is Ron DeSantis? | ||
| This stuff is happening in Florida? | ||
| And instead of being like, hey Tim, glad you're concerned, here's all the things that Ron DeSantis is doing, we'll take these into consideration and we'll talk about it, they came out like, well it's too bad we don't have a time machine! | ||
| And then I started having all of these pro-DeSantis people started like crapping all over him like, dude, I don't think you guys have standards. | ||
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It's a purity test and you failed it. | |
| Oh, I don't care though. | ||
| Like, you know, the irony is that I'm mad at DeSantis. | ||
| When did I say I was mad at DeSantis? | ||
| I am criticizing the response from his PR team, who turned this into something that it probably should not have been. | ||
| They probably should have responded with, Ron DeSantis is doing these things to stop this stuff from happening. | ||
| And that's all that would have happened. | ||
| I think all I literally tweeted was, where is Ron DeSantis? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Where is Ron DeSantis? | ||
| This is all happening in Florida? | ||
| Because they currently live in South Florida. | ||
| I think the issue is it's a sore spot because they're not taking action and it makes them look bad. | ||
| But you know, like I said, look, okay, I concede. | ||
| If that's the kind of stuff that is allowed in Florida, then that's what is currently allowed in Florida. | ||
| It is a very tough decision socially right now. | ||
| That's a big part of why I want to develop further the conversation. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think like I mentioned, if you hear a man and a woman yelling and call the police, the | ||
| police will show up in two seconds without the woman saying anything. | ||
| And sometimes the cops will even tell the woman it doesn't matter. | ||
| We're taking the husband out because we are concerned. | ||
| Like there are many instances where the woman will answer the door and say everything's | ||
| fine. | ||
| Please leave. | ||
| And the cops will say no. | ||
| You know, so like, I don't know if that's entirely the case. | ||
| It probably depends on where you live. Absolutely in the United States women will answer the door and the cops are | ||
| like can we have you? | ||
| Come out and speak in private She'll say no and they will still say ma'am you have to | ||
| come outside Because often when women are being battered they tell the | ||
| cops to leave So some often the cops will say we are not going to leave | ||
| until we do an interview because there's a problem I guess I listen to a lot of true crime and like the main | ||
| gripe with the true crime youtubers is they always say like all the police were | ||
| called to the residents like eight times and they just walked away and never went | ||
| In and he had a check on that's like always the gripe in all of these like murder and of course that happens | ||
| You have to watch a story about a murder, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the reason why sometimes cops will not take no for an answer, they'll say, we have received an emergency call giving us probable cause to enter the home. | ||
| Ma'am, step out of the house. | ||
| And then they'll check her for injury or whatever. | ||
| Often they'll just say, okay, we're sorry to bother you. | ||
| Have a nice day. | ||
| Sometimes they'll say to the guy, we're concerned something's going on. | ||
| Why don't you leave and come back later? | ||
| Sometimes it's really bad and they just arrest the guy because the neighbor made the accusation and they're like, better to have him spend the night in jail. | ||
| I guess I'm from Canada where it's like all the person's on their ninth probation and they just like assaulted someone again and the cops won't come. | ||
| That could be where we're going. | ||
| You actually have a low credit score if you don't have a criminal record. | ||
| Here's what I think. | ||
| Is it unreasonable of me to say that following those clips, a state police officer would knock on the door and say, can I speak with you in private? | ||
| Is that unreasonable? | ||
| The issue is, I don't think it is, but the issue is, if that were to happen, the entire national media would go after Ron DeSantis as it appears he's preparing for a presidential run and he doesn't want the heat. | ||
| I think if jazz wanted it, it would be completely reasonable for other people to want it for them. | ||
| They're both adults. | ||
| So I'm like people, people who are being abused by their husband, like women being abused by their husbands, stay with them often, right? | ||
| It does happen. | ||
| It does. | ||
| What are you going to do? Sometimes the cops will be like, I'm sorry, you got to catch him in the | ||
| act. And there are many circumstances in many jurisdictions where the cops are like, there's | ||
| nothing we can do because the woman is not speaking up and speaking out about this guy. | ||
| And then, like you said, the ninth time and then the murder happens. | ||
| Like there was a case, um, it was such a sad one. There was an Asian university student. I can't | ||
| remember his name. I wish I could. But his dad had like threatened to kill his mom like a billion | ||
| times. A lot of people in the chat probably remember this. | ||
| And then eventually his dad had like made the explicit, I'm going to kill your mom like | ||
| this week. And he went home and killed his dad before he could. And he. | ||
| He eventually, he actually, the jury let him go the first time and then they were able | ||
| to get him on a legal weapon possession charges later and send him to jail for like the rest | ||
| of his life or whatever. | ||
| But it was like there were so many explicit threats. | ||
| The police have been called a million times and they did nothing. | ||
| I'm going to read this one from Josh Berg. | ||
| We'll do, uh, we'll do one more. | ||
| The craziest thing Lance said was when he tried to shame you about another person's sensations. | ||
| Then at the end he said, I want more freedom, more people, and more orgasms. | ||
| To which I said, that was weird. | ||
| So the left does this thing where, well, I'll say this about Lance. | ||
| He had a lot of canned responses. | ||
| And like, that's why I asked him. | ||
| Like, same thing with Matt Bender. | ||
| Matt Bender says, you think trans people don't exist. | ||
| I said, what does that mean? | ||
| Lance said, you're in favor of forced birth. | ||
| I'm like, define that. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I don't know what you're saying. | ||
| Because these are just like, I heard someone say it, I'm repeating it. | ||
| And so, in this circumstance, the left has this repetitious tactic of, why are you talking about someone else's junk? | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| And I'm just like, bro, You're not going to shame me. | ||
| I'm having a conversation about fact things and human development. | ||
| You're not going to appeal to shame. | ||
| To quote Rick, your boos mean nothing. | ||
| I've seen what makes you cheer. | ||
| There was a little bit of shame going in both directions when you were like, there's a transgenocide and you're the one that's causing it. | ||
| But you guys got past it. | ||
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It was a little moment where it was like, you kind of got weird. | |
| There's no shame for me because these people hold no esteem in my mind. | ||
| Like, people who are in favor of performing these things on children, I am not going to go, oh no, do they think lowly of me? | ||
| Oh jeez, the groomers think poorly of me? | ||
| I'm like, I don't care, these people are evil. | ||
| I've seen what makes them cheer. | ||
| So when he's like, isn't that weird you think that? | ||
| I'm like, bro, you are the guys doing the sex shows and then wanting kids to be present. | ||
| You're not shaming me. | ||
| This is right out of Rules for Radicals, though. | ||
| Accuse your opponent of what you're doing. | ||
| So they've implemented an entire systemic legislative and medical structure that allows for you to mutilate children's genitalia, and then when people say, oh my gosh, they're mutilating children's genitalia, they go, Why are you talking about that? | ||
| That's so weird that you'd focus on that. | ||
| Well, it's almost like you've used the full force of all of corporate America and the United States government and many state governments to push for the mutilation of children, and so now people need to talk about it. | ||
| And to represent Lance a little bit, he did say he didn't like sexual stuff with kids. | ||
| He was specifying drag with kids, which isn't always sexual. | ||
| It's a nuanced conversation. | ||
| He said burlesque is always sexual, but drag isn't, when drag is literally burlesque. | ||
| Burlesque for gay men. | ||
| No, you could do non-sexual. | ||
| I think you could do non-sexual drag, personally. | ||
| Ian, there are burlesque shows where a portion of it is not overtly sexual. | ||
| A woman will come out in a dress and dance on stage. | ||
| Then at some point in the show she may take off her outer layers- And then it becomes burlesque. | ||
| And so what his point was, which is incorrect, is that because a portion of drag shows don't involve overt, you know, exposure, that therefore sometimes it's not. | ||
| It's like, well, not all burlesque is either. | ||
| But furthermore, Drag is often over-sexualized features. | ||
| A male will come out, he'll have fake breasts and fake hips to sexualize the performance. | ||
| Otherwise, he would not need to have those prosthetics to simulate secondary sexual characteristics. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I'm positive that Lance is not into sexualizing kids. | ||
| That was not what he came here to talk about. | ||
| He didn't intimate that or anything. | ||
| So the issue is, the moral standard from where all of us are, regardless of whether you're conservative, traditional, liberal, is Drag is a sexualized thing. | ||
| Certain elements of it are not. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| But, like, going to a sex shop, some things they sell there are unrelated to sex. | ||
| They might sell, like, a vitamin pack for energy. | ||
| And you could say, like, well, that's not all sex-related. | ||
| It's like, well, but the reason they're giving you the energy pills is because it's a sex shop, you know what I mean? | ||
| So, you're doing the drag show. | ||
| It is themed, or it is centered around sexuality. | ||
| LGBTQ stuff is literally a community that has an identity based on sexual characteristics. | ||
| Introducing that to children is grooming because the purpose of grooming is to introduce the lightest form of something to a child so that you can open the door and then coax them in. | ||
| So the purpose of the Drag Story Hour drag pedagogy article that James Lindsay often references says, get the glitter in the carpet that can never be removed. | ||
| What they're trying to do is say, take the base element of the sex show, which is the drag performer themselves, and have them do something seemingly innocuous so that parents won't understand what we're doing. | ||
| They then write exactly what they're doing to get glitter on the carpet that can never be removed, and that way the child then says, oh, drag performances are good. | ||
| And then they go to one, and then what do they see? | ||
| The sexualized performance. | ||
| Yeah, you could make the argument that it could become a slippery slope, but I would think that if I went in and read stories to kids in my bathing suit, that would be more sexual than if I was in a dress. | ||
| Well, no, because the thing about drag is that's their fetish costume, and they're wearing their fetish costume in front of kids. | ||
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Look, drag is sexualized. | |
| It may not be erotic. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But it's sexualized because, like, as a man, you know, I don't wear a dress because I'm a man. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, it's on the basis of sex. | ||
| It's not erotic. | ||
| I'll put it this way. | ||
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Let me put it this way. | |
| A guy walks into a bank armed and with a ski mask on. | ||
| Did he commit a crime? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Why? | ||
| You're not allowed to wear ski masks in winter? | ||
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Especially during COVID. | |
| Armed with a gun walking into a bank? | ||
| With a mask? | ||
| We're in a constitutional carry state in West Virginia. | ||
| You're allowed to carry a gun. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And you can wear ski masks in winter. | ||
| Ian, why are you trying to criminalize an innocent guy who's just cold and defending himself? | ||
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And if it was during COVID, you probably had to wear a mask, too. | |
| Maybe you could make an argument. | ||
| You want to arrest an innocent man? | ||
| Is he brandishing a weapon? | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| If it's concealed, then I don't know. | ||
| No, people should be allowed to go. | ||
| So you get the point. | ||
| Even though it's legal to wear a mask. | ||
| Dude, I think the mask thing is grooming society. | ||
| The mask thing is grooming society. | ||
| Let's stay on point and not change the subject. | ||
| My point is this. | ||
| We recognize that wearing masks is legal for the most part. | ||
| A ski mask in winter, a ski mask exists because you're cold, and you want to be able to talk and look. | ||
| And you're allowed to have guns in a constitutional carry state, and we can't assume you're a criminal simply for having these things, but I'll tell you what. | ||
| If you walk into a bank wearing a ski mask with a gun, don't be surprised if the security guard comes up and says, Sir, I'm gonna need you to step outside, take the mask off, leave the gun in your car. | ||
| People are concerned about what your intention may be. | ||
| And then he goes, oh, you're accusing me of being a burglar! | ||
| That's the most insane thing I've ever heard! | ||
| There's nothing inherently criminal or bank robbery about wearing a ski mask and bringing a gun into a bank. | ||
| You're gonna be like, dude, don't try me. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So when a drag queen, with drag being a burlesque performance, goes up to children, and you say, hey, we're kind of concerned about what you're introducing these kids to, and they say, oh, now you're... If it's burlesque, you can do non-burlesque drag. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's contentious. | ||
| You are right in the same sense that you can walk into a bank with a ski mask and a gun and you're not intending to rob the place. | ||
| But no one is going to accept that because we get it. | ||
| Drag is a sexualized performance. | ||
| It's not a gun. | ||
| It's not a weapon. | ||
| It's just wearing a dress. | ||
| Drag literally is gay burlesque. | ||
| No, burlesque is sexualized drag. | ||
| Ian, you're wrong. | ||
| Dude, look up the definitions. | ||
| Let's get over this. | ||
| You can wear a dress and not be sexual. | ||
| But that's not what drag is. | ||
| Drag is men wearing sexualized costumes and they even remove their clothes on stage for money. | ||
| That would be stripping. | ||
| That's what drag is. | ||
| Clothing of the other sex. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| When an 11-year-old boy, whose name I'm not going to say... Yeah, that guy was stripping. | ||
| But they called that drag. | ||
| They called it child drag. | ||
| It became stripping as well. | ||
| You start off as drag, then it becomes burlesque. | ||
| You're doing what Lance does and creating a false definition to defend the practice of grooming. | ||
| Eddie Izzard would wear drag on stage when he would perform. | ||
| He wasn't doing burlesque. | ||
| Did he have lipstick on? | ||
| Yeah, he did the whole makeup and the dress. | ||
| And what's the purpose of lipstick? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| To simulate ovulation. | ||
| So you think when a woman comes in here, she's sexualizing children? | ||
| You think a woman is sexualizing kids? | ||
| Thank God I didn't wear lipstick today. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You think a woman wearing lipstick is trying to sexualize kids? | ||
| There are degrees to which we accept certain things. | ||
| Women at Hooters expose their cleavage, and children are allowed in there. | ||
| But we do say, like, okay, if a kid goes in there, we're not gonna scream and cry about it. | ||
| I don't think they should be there. | ||
| Some people say, eh, because there's lines in society. | ||
| Yeah, I wasn't allowed to go. | ||
| Lipstick emerged, we believe, because when women are ovulating, their lips and cheeks are bright red, so women begin to simulate these things, right? | ||
| So when you have a man put on lipstick, wear a dress, shake his hips, and wear fake breasts, that is... Oh, the fake breasts, I agree. | ||
| And that's what drag is. | ||
| Well, no, you just wear... I could just wear a dress, that would be drag. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'm not talking about... | ||
| I think we're defining it differently, too, here, because I would still take issue with that, but drag queen story hour, it's never just a dude throwing a dress on. | ||
| I would still be against that, but there's a lot more to it. | ||
| Like Tim's mentioning, there's the fake breasts, there's an additional level of makeup. | ||
| Or the person who wore the prosthetic breasts and genitals. | ||
| That stuff's all sexual. | ||
| But they call that drag story hour. | ||
| They might be misrepresenting drag, yeah. | ||
| The clear response here is to bring this individual chocolate and tell them to go home and lay down because they're clearly ovulating. | ||
| We got to wrap things up. | ||
| We've gone late. | ||
| So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com. | ||
| You can follow the show at TimCast IRL or you can follow me personally at TimCast. | ||
| Lauren, do you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Infringed. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Going to come out like next week or the week after, at least within the next few weeks. | ||
| You got to watch it. | ||
| Going to be on TimCast.com as well. | ||
| Maybe Tuesday. | ||
| Tuesday probably makes the most sense. | ||
| That sounds like a lit day to watch Infringed. | ||
| I want people to follow you guys on Twitter, too. | ||
|
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I want people to follow you guys on Twitter too. | |
| Give me your Twitter. | ||
| John Dutoit, J-O-N-D-U-T-O-I-T. | ||
| I believe it's Lauren Southern on Twitter, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| At Lauren underscore Southern. | ||
| Don't forget the underscore. | ||
| It's important. | ||
| Whoever stole the one without the underscore, screw you. | ||
| Stole it from you. | ||
| So what I want to shout out is the Novena to St. | ||
| Joseph. | ||
| We're on day five of it right now. | ||
| We're praying that for the working class in this country in this tumultuous economic time, for the unborn, and also for our enemies, people who we very much disagree with and think are doing bad things, that they may See the light. | ||
| So if y'all want to go over to my Twitter account, that's one of my most recent tweets has a link to that Novena pinned there. | ||
| I'm Ian Cross. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I'd like to hear more about that maybe next week. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Matt Binder. | ||
| I know you're out there. | ||
| I love you, man. | ||
| Hit me up. | ||
| Let's do a show together. | ||
| Someone told me you like my stuff. | ||
| A fan of yours and a fan of mine. | ||
| And also, I want to shout out Normal World, which I brought up early in the show. | ||
| It's Blaze TV is putting it out. | ||
| It's Dave Landau and Corey Black Garrett. | ||
| I had the opportunity and blessing to do an episode with them. | ||
| It's up on YouTube now. | ||
| Normal World, Drugtopia is the name of the episode that I was on. | ||
| Alex Stein was in it. | ||
| Great time, great people. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| And I will catch you later. | ||
| I just want to shout out Jeff Garnett. | ||
| Callan told me that you were a fan of the show. | ||
| Felt like it was worth doing. | ||
| Thanks guys. | ||
| I'm Shurge.com. | ||
| Catch me on Twitter. | ||
| Let's argue. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out everybody. | ||
| We will see you all with various clips throughout the weekend and then we'll be back on Monday. |
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