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April 27, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Anheuser Busch Has EMERGENCY MEETING As Bud Light Boycott GETTING WORSE w/Lucas Botkin
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tim pool
Oh boy, Anheuser-Busch had an emergency meeting with distributors promising them, don't worry,
Any other marketing we do, it's gonna get checked.
Yeah, everybody's pissed off.
In one supermarket chain, they're saying they saw Bud Light sales go down 50%.
And I kind of feel like...
In places where it matters, when they actively choose their orders, meaning smaller businesses and regional stores, I bet they're seeing a much bigger impact from the boycott as opposed to, like, a big venue chain or an arena just put in an order for, like, you know, 5,000 cases or whatever without thinking about it.
Sales dropping, in my opinion, implies individuals at the smaller business-level bars and stores are choosing to avoid it.
Big corporations aren't paying attention.
That makes sense.
Now that it's having a huge impact on the regional stores, This emergency meeting means a whole lot.
Ladies and gentlemen, we can win this culture war, so we'll talk about that.
Plus, we got some other crazy stories.
In Tennessee, where, thanks to the work of Matt Walsh and The Daily Wire, they actually got child sex change surgeries banned.
The DOJ is now intervening and seeking to make sure, as they say under the 14th Amendment, it cannot be banned.
And interestingly, in Florida, After they passed a bill that would ban children attending lewd adult performances, a local pride parade in Florida was shut down.
And now you've got a bunch of Democrats being like, oh no, oh look, they were forced to shut down their pride event.
And it's kind of like the context around that is they chose to shut it down because they're no longer allowed to show adult lewd behavior to children.
And that's what's happening.
Yeah, we're going to talk all about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Lucas of T-Rex Arms.
lucas botkin
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Yeah, who are you?
lucas botkin
What do you do?
So 10 years ago, I started a defense manufacturing company that over the years has grown to be an eight figure company.
We've got 80 employees.
And over that time, I also became a YouTuber.
And I hate to say it a social media influencer, unfortunately, and I also shoot guns an unhealthy amount.
Literally unhealthy.
An unhealthy amount.
tim pool
It's just like the lead is getting all over you and is that what's up?
lucas botkin
Lead, my hips are jacked up.
I can't deadlift without one foot being in front of the other.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
lucas botkin
Wrist problems.
So yeah, a lot of shooting.
tim pool
Can you switch arms and start working on the left?
lucas botkin
Unfortunately, not really.
So it's just something I'll deal with for the rest of my life.
And that's okay.
That's fine.
That's worth it.
tim pool
Well, thanks for hanging out, man.
We got Phil Labonte hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everyone.
Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
tim pool
Ian's not here.
He joined a different show.
He's now on Alex Stein's show.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, Ian's a defector and not loyal at all, so I'm here.
I'm Hannah Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
I'm so glad to be sitting here, unlike some people who are in Texas.
Just kidding.
serge du preez
And I am here right now.
Serge.com, what's up?
tim pool
All right, let's jump into this first story from the Daily Mail.
Ladies and gentlemen, Anheuser-Busch executives hold closed-door meeting with beer distributors and told them any marketing will be heavily screened before it goes public.
Bosses held the closed-door meeting in D.C.
this week where they laid out plans going forward.
They say that Benj... Benj Steinman, editor of Beer Marketers Insight, said the spending on the brand fell off a cliff last year, but Anheuser-Busch execs are promising to rectify the situation.
Bud Light sales have fallen dramatically since the Dillon Mulvaney boycott, which I think most of you know.
Now, they're reporting this, Bud Light's poorest plummet.
Before partnering with Mulvaney, in April 1st, it dropped by 6% to the 15th.
But in one supermarket chain, Bud Light sales plunged 50% at Stu Leonard's.
So, the tri-state area, this is Westchester County, Long Island, Connecticut, New Jersey.
The reason why this story is so significant, ladies and gentlemen.
is because this is a Democrat-Urban-Liberal stronghold seeing one of the biggest declines.
So when we hear Kid Rock is, you know, taking a gun and firing upon a bunch of Bud Lights,
we're like, oh, well, yeah, he's Kid Rock, you know?
He's out in the country or whatever, he wants to be a cowboy baby or something.
And, you know, I don't know, is that what the song was?
Yeah, that's right.
Okay, well, there you go.
phil labonte
With the top let back and the sunshine shining.
tim pool
Boom, you get it, you get it.
But we expect conservatives to do that.
When we get news that they're having an emergency meeting in D.C.
and in a major liberal area, Connecticut, New Jersey, Long Island, that beer sales are dropping 50% at a major regional supermarket, boycott's working.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
At one point, Stew Leonard's was known as the Disneyland of, uh... I love Stew Leonard's.
It's the best thing of all time.
Highly recommend going.
The one that was near me, uh, had all of the, like, fruits that sing and stuff like that.
Like, if you can't keep people in your store, if you can't get them to buy Bud Light under those circumstances, like, you're just not going to.
There's no better grocery store.
phil labonte
Being from New England, you know, originally, and, you know, living in New Hampshire, the fact that I haven't heard of this, this chain.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not, it's not as far, like, Connecticut is the only part of New England that has it.
Like, it doesn't get to Massachusetts.
You're, you're too far gone.
But it is, it is delightful.
And I'm glad that their customers are apparently taking part in this boycott.
I never would have guessed.
tim pool
Check this out.
They say, On top of the marketing blitz, executives working for Bud Light will go through a more rigorous screening process, according to one Northeast-based beer distributor.
Quote, there will be an improved screening process before any marketing hits the public.
Executives will have to go through a more rigorous screening process.
According to Beer Business Daily, wholesalers received a letter in which executives explained the entire situation, including, quote, this was one single can given to one social media influencer.
This can was not made for production or sale to the general public.
They are trying to trick people.
The issue wasn't that one can was made.
The issue was Dylan Mulvaney promoting the beer in general.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
We have an influencer in our midst, you know?
Influencers make money off of the post, right?
It's not that we have to have his face on every single beer can.
It's the fact that he is getting paid to promote it that you guys thought this was worth the money.
lucas botkin
A lot of money.
hannah claire brimelow
And worth access to his audience.
tim pool
I think that's the biggest thing. You know, they're trying so hard to act like nothing's happening, but there was that
that video I don't know if we should we talked about it last night,
but this guy in Las Vegas. He's a Las Vegas vlogger It's just what he does
He's walking into stores and being like I wonder if this is a thing and then he's like, oh wow
phil labonte
No one's buying Bud Light Yeah, I was I was questioning whether or not this would
have impact and when it initially started I I was a little apprehensive about the idea.
I thought that it would look like people were attacking Dylan, and it has turned into what looks like the most effective boycott the right has seen in a long, long time.
I can't remember the last time that there's been a boycott of something from the right that has been this effective.
lucas botkin
Well, and it's obvious that people are upset with the brand.
phil labonte
Yeah.
lucas botkin
And they're really focusing on the brand, and not the person.
phil labonte
Which is good, because then it doesn't seem like you're bullying, right?
lucas botkin
And it was kind of, they were talking about Dylan the first two days, which is reasonable, because, you know, bringing him in and all that.
But it turned into the brand, which I think is, that's the correct approach, because they're the ones that made the decision, they're the ones that make the product, they're the people that people want to buy the product from.
Is it every, now the actual cans or bottles in the stores, It was like a limited run that actually had Dylan's face on them, correct?
hannah claire brimelow
No, they only, from what I remember, and Phil can correct me here, they only made this one can to celebrate 365 days of Girlhood to mark the one year point of Dylan's whole deal.
lucas botkin
Were those in stores?
Do you have to order them?
phil labonte
No, you couldn't get them.
hannah claire brimelow
Literally, they just made a custom thing for him.
lucas botkin
Gotcha.
tim pool
But that wasn't the issue.
lucas botkin
Right.
tim pool
Because the video I saw first was Dylan with a bunch of beers saying,
I don't even know what March Madness is, let's all drink beer.
And then cracking open beer, had nothing to do with any kind of promotional can or anything like that.
And then all of a sudden everyone was like, screw Bud Light.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's tagged with the like, hashtag Bud Light partner or something like that.
Like it's denoted as a form of advertising.
I think what the strangest part of it, like you're right.
I'm actually glad that there's not a specific targeting of Dylan Mulvaney because Dylan Mulvaney is doing exactly what Dylan Mulvaney has always done and you can have separate criticism of that, but Anheuser-Busch chose to partner with him and if You put people in positions of power in your company who thought this was a good idea.
I'm glad that you're starting to rethink this.
I would like them to admit that they're just saying, like, our rigorous screening process is we will hire some conservatives after years and years of hiring liberals.
lucas botkin
Probably what they're talking about is, okay, we can't say we goofed up and they're all fired because then the trans community will say we're horrible and bigoted and all of that.
tim pool
Here's how I imagine the meeting goes down.
They tell everybody, look, we understand your concern, we're gonna have a meeting in DC, come meet.
And they all walk in and there's a guy in a suit and he goes, listen, our customers are dumb as dumb gets.
They are so stupid!
So here's what we're going to do.
We're not going to apologize.
We're not going to say anything.
We're going to completely ignore all of them and let it all blow over.
That's what they're saying right now.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know if it's quite that extreme, but they are definitely trying to run away from it as opposed to addressing it and saying they're sorry.
And I do think that apologizing is appropriate because they're seeing a distinct reaction from their user base, from their customer base.
lucas botkin
They severed trust.
That's what brands are built on.
tim pool
Many of you may be wondering, why is this so important?
Why have we talked about this for three weeks now?
Why are we leading the show with it right now?
Because I want to make sure that every major corporation knows that when you engage in sponsorships and advertising like this, it will be so toxic to your company, you will be reeling from it.
phil labonte
There has been no response.
It's been it's been entirely uh no negative response from all of the essentially since you know the the since June became you know Pride Month and has been celebrated so openly in the West and and For probably the past 10 years or so, there's not been any kind of considerable pushback.
And to see something pushing back to say, hey, maybe we should moderate this a little bit.
Because at this point, the trans question, that is not built on solid arguments.
There's a lot of questions.
There's evidence that it's not a good idea.
tim pool
Well, Europe bans it.
phil labonte
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Multiple countries in Europe have said, nah, it's not working.
And then there's even been several studies showing that it could increase suicidal ideation.
So let's make sure we're helping people.
phil labonte
100%.
tim pool
But more to the point, my biggest concern is they effectively sponsored Elsagate.
Right, the easiest way for me to explain what went down with the Dilma Veni sponsorship is, a person exploited an algorithm to produce strange and off-putting content that was offensive to a lot of women, a lot of, and men, and then Budweiser did no research, said, whatever, look, this person's got followers, it must be popular.
But I do think it's a fantastic wake-up call as to what AI is doing to humans.
Humans and what AI promotes, or I shouldn't say AI, but algorithms, it is incongruous.
Just because someone has views does not mean they are popular.
And this proves it.
And I hope that if we keep the pressure on, then other corporations will start to realize, like, hey, look, just because that person's on TV doesn't mean they're popular.
phil labonte
You gotta get the algorithms to really internalize retweets or not endorsements.
tim pool
That's right.
phil labonte
To really get that idea to go, to really begin.
hannah claire brimelow
I used to see, sorry, I was gonna say, I've heard some YouTubers say, like, yeah, I don't care if you dislike my video.
Any interaction actually helps.
I don't know if that's still the case.
I'm not that experienced with YouTube, but it is.
lucas botkin
It still is.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, for sure.
So really, like, anyone commenting on Dylan's post being like, this is terrible, is actually just still helping.
phil labonte
Do you get into the comments on T-Rex arm stuff still currently?
lucas botkin
As much as I can, and primarily to learn more about our customers, not any other reason.
We talked to some marketing folks last week who said, yeah, even if your company responds to every comment on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, that greatly affects the algorithm.
Even if you stop by and go thumbs up, you're adding to the comment count, and that makes a difference.
phil labonte
So when do you get the trans-shooters?
unidentified
Well, yeah, I apologize.
I disavow.
tim pool
No, I, I, I, I posted a photo a year ago and it was a, it was a gun on a trans flag.
And I said something like trans rights are human rights.
Trans gun rights are human rights.
And I got a false DMCA takedown.
Activists started- this is the weirdest thing!
Leftist screen grabbed my post, and then started insulting me over it, and I'm like, it's so weird that I said something they should agree with, and instead, they attacked me, and then filed a DMCA takedown to get the photo deleted from my Twitter account, and then I'm just like, I don't know what these people think, because I'm like two-way all the way.
I had a guy tweet at me saying, you think only white people should have guns.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
I think the Black Panthers should be marching around with guns all day every day.
unidentified
And they're like, oh, okay, base.
tim pool
These people live in a wacky alternate dimension of what we here believe.
lucas botkin
It is interesting though, I did notice, and I could be wrong, an uptick in the, obviously when the shooting occurred a couple weeks ago, there were lots of gun companies, and I also tweeted some things about, you know, calling into question, you know, should gun companies, and this is a big discussion happening right now, do we have to serve and service everyone who wants to own a gun, or can we go, hey, this is what we believe is a company, we're interested in selling to these types of people?
tim pool
Absolutely.
lucas botkin
We put our core values out there and usually some people aren't going to agree with those, so they're not going to come and buy from us.
And it did look like after the shooting in Tennessee occurred, the trans community was definitely much more interested in talking about guns and gun rights for themselves and getting involved in that whole thing.
I had all kinds of people stopping by my Twitter, giving their opinion.
And I feel like a year ago, probably when you posted that flag, that was not as much of a discussion and they were probably more anti-gun.
Now they're like, oh no, now we need to be pro-gun.
tim pool
They were pro-gun.
Yeah, there was a picture of a trans flag with a gun on it.
And then people were posting pictures of trans people wearing patches and armbands of the trans flag with guns.
And I'm like, I'm all for it!
There's an interesting discussion that's emerged following what happened in Nashville where they're saying, You know, a bunch of conservatives are like, maybe we shouldn't allow trans people to have guns, or something like that.
And I'm just like, not interested in that.
Not interested in that conversation.
If someone poses a clear and present danger, or like, I mean like, they're literally on the path to using a weapon, you can stop them.
But short of, I guess, due process, maybe they committed a felony, and a court has determined through a legal process, like due process, your rights cannot be infringed upon.
lucas botkin
You bring up a good point.
Everyone wants to talk about the gun thing.
Well, the government has guns.
I mean, criminals have guns.
Everyone already has guns.
The guns shouldn't even be the discussion.
tim pool
You said the same thing twice.
What was that?
lucas botkin
Oh, yeah.
The criminals and the government.
Yeah, exactly.
But they all have guns, so that shouldn't be the discussion.
If trans people have guns, fine.
If the LGBT community wants to have guns, that's fine.
tim pool
They should have guns.
lucas botkin
Everyone can have guns.
Let's talk about other things instead.
But gun owners, and I'm just going to say that, are some of the biggest wusses out there.
Like, they really are.
In 2020, we saw this, because for the longest time, gun owners were like, we have guns for the government.
And then 2020 happened, and we had the Antifa stuff and the peaceful times, obviously.
And then they went, oh, there's other people with guns who aren't our friends.
We need to do something about that or have the government step in.
It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't ask for the government to step in.
You're having them do what we don't want them to do to us.
phil labonte
What you do is you train.
lucas botkin
Exactly.
phil labonte
That's what you do.
lucas botkin
Yeah, just be better than everyone.
phil labonte
Because most people aren't going out there and training.
I mean, I'm a guy that's very pro.
Get out there and train.
Go out there and, like, learn how to shoot your guns.
I mean, Lucas knows how to shoot guns.
unidentified
Ask Lucas.
hannah claire brimelow
Can I ask, when did you guys get interested in guns?
Like, is this something you grew up with?
Is there something that happened that made you interested?
lucas botkin
I played Call of Duty, and that was enough for me.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the video game gun pipeline, I see.
lucas botkin
Oh, video games are the gateway.
The gateway.
They create more gun owners than the NRA ever hopes to.
unidentified
The NRA's dying, but the NRA is, like, Oh, they're gone.
tim pool
Yeah, they're gone.
I'm not a big fan.
lucas botkin
But yeah, video games.
Absolutely.
The Call of Duty franchise, which I'm very thankful I got to work on the good one that came out a few years ago.
phil labonte
Guys, guys, guys, the NRA is very important.
It's a very important organization.
We need to make sure that the NRA... We gotta donate a lot of money.
We need to make sure that the NRA is out there, so that way they've got something to attack.
tim pool
Didn't the NRA support the NFA?
lucas botkin
Oh, they've supported it.
So, the NRA has done some good things, like the Sunset Clause for the weapons assault ban and all that, but for the most part, they are extremely fuddy.
The worst thing about the NRA that people won't talk about is their training programs, which are, like, they have a rule.
You are not allowed to call a gun a weapon.
It's too dangerous.
tim pool
And real quick, explain FUD-E to people who don't know.
lucas botkin
So FUD-E are like people who go, ah, 1911's better than any pistol out there, won two world wars, my SKS is better than an AR-15.
tim pool
It's still very esoteric.
lucas botkin
It's very esoteric.
phil labonte
I don't want that plastic stuff on my rifle.
tim pool
It's a reference to Elmer Fudd.
lucas botkin
Old times, more or less.
He's not getting with the times.
tim pool
These people who are like, look, I'm a gun owner, and I think we should have gun control.
And it's like, I don't believe you.
lucas botkin
It's generally that.
We don't need 30 rounds for hunting, so let's ban 30-round high-capacity magazines that go to 10 rounds.
tim pool
Do you see deer running around?
lucas botkin
Kevlar?
tim pool
What do you need that for?
lucas botkin
Exactly.
That's exactly it.
But yeah, the NRA, the worst thing is not their political stuff.
It's the firearms training.
It's the culture that they're perpetuating, too.
Even hunter's education.
Don't store ammunition with a gun.
The gun's pretty useless without the ammunition.
Like, you actually want to keep them together, because weapons are for people, not just for Bambi.
And they train them young that way.
tim pool
These people have never loaded a weapon.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And so, I can tell you this, right?
I got a .30-30 Winchester repeater.
It's amazing.
And it's real difficult to load the .30-30s.
They get stuck.
The plunger gets stuck and all that stuff.
And then when it comes to loading even like, you know, a Glock with 9mm, they have speed loaders for a reason.
If you're trained in your practice, you can load it fairly quickly.
But I just think anybody who has a gun understands that if you hear a glass shatter and then someone yells, boys let's go!" You're gonna be like, uh oh, and then you're
gonna open the box and you're gonna be like, just give me a second, let me push these in
and load this. No, it has to, like, when you're, when you are being prepared for self-defense,
you need to have your weapon prepared and safely secured in a way, you know,
that you can access it and that it's responsible. But what's the point, someone told
me this when And then have a serious conversation with yourself.
time I was getting a weapon, what's proper like storage and safety protocol. And I'm going to
keep it relatively vague for the show, but they just basically said, what's the point of having
a weapon if you can't readily access it to defend yourself from an intruder? So just consider that.
lucas botkin
Yep. And then have a serious conversation with yourself.
What is a gun for? Yeah, they are for homo sapiens.
They were designed ever since gunpowder was, you know, developed and then it was used for fire fireworks to disrupt cavalry charges.
After that, it was always weaponized for human beings.
It wasn't just made for hunting.
Like that is what they're for.
And the problem is gun owners.
tim pool
Well, it's a weapon.
lucas botkin
Every time I say that they go, they go, Oh, Lucas, you can't say that.
Cause then the left's going to use that to ban stuff.
I'm like, no, the reason we're in all this mess and gun regulations are happening is we've always been on the defense and culturally we're losing because of it.
We won't just say the facts and what's going on.
tim pool
I think it's fair to be more general.
Weapons are for destructive ends.
And that doesn't mean it's always bad.
Destructive things can be good things, right?
If you're defending someone.
A machete, for instance.
You're using it to go and clear brush, to carve a path through the woods, to help people more freely move about.
But it also can be used as a weapon.
And famously, Alfred Nobel made dynamite, TNT.
I don't know if it's the same thing, but TNT, I guess.
Because he wanted to help people mine.
And then they called him the Merchant of Death.
And you know the story, like they accidentally published his obituary?
And then he was like, is that what they think of me?
lucas botkin
He's like, holy crap!
tim pool
That must be brutal.
phil labonte
I didn't know that.
He read his obituary before he passed?
tim pool
Yeah, and then he made the piece, the Nobel Prizes.
He was like, I better be known for something much better than this.
phil labonte
I didn't know that.
tim pool
But it was weaponized.
phil labonte
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe more people should have to do that than read their own obituaries and reconcile their life.
tim pool
Let's go back to the first question with all of this.
We were talking about mental illness, weapon ownership, and stuff like that.
And for the longest time, we were talking about red flag laws.
And everybody on the right and all the two-way people were like, absolutely not.
You cannot red flag people.
And then the Nashville shooting happened.
And all of a sudden conservatives were like, we should not let these people have guns.
And I'm just sitting here like, y'all are wrong.
lucas botkin
Yeah.
Well, so the mental, that whole thing's interesting because the issue that I have with that whole conversation is, by what standard and who gets to define if someone is mentally unwell?
Because if I go to the right, you know, doctor, clinician, or whatever, and I say, I really like guns for these reasons, this is what I actually think about the government, this is what I think about balkanization of our country, XYZ, they could say, You're a little unwell for thinking these things.
You want to homeschool your kids.
You're married.
You're not running around doing all this other stuff.
You're unwell.
You can't own guns.
I'm not saying that would happen today, but in 10 years, I mean, who gets to standardize who is mentally well?
And so that's a pretty slippery slope.
tim pool
This is why when a couple of years ago we were talking about felons and firearms, and I said, as soon as you get out of jail, you get your right to keep and bear arms.
lucas botkin
Yep.
I agree.
tim pool
And what people responded with was, Several people, conservatives, were like, no, because you went through a process.
You got your due process, and through due process, your rights were deprived.
That is constitutional.
Meaning, you have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but if you break the law, we can deprive you of those rights through due process.
Meaning, you went to a judge, there was a hearing, you were found guilty.
The same thing is true of your guns.
And my response that is then just like, so what is a life sentence then?
lucas botkin
Yeah, that's either you die, or I guess you're in jail your whole life.
tim pool
Yeah, that's yeah, you don't get your gun.
You don't get your gun back ever.
And so my issue still is now due process isn't necessarily a perfect standard.
lucas botkin
Right.
tim pool
Because we are at the point of polarization in this country where like you said, you will say something like, I think everybody should have guns.
I'm like, well, you're clearly insane.
lucas botkin
I think machine guns should be legal.
Okay.
hannah claire brimelow
I also wonder how the mental health screenings work because we have the shooter in Louisville whose parents were like, no, he was having some sort of crisis.
We were aware of it, but he was able to get a gun theoretically.
Wouldn't this have triggered something?
I feel like some people can... I just don't understand the practical applications of some of these things.
lucas botkin
Yeah, and the problem is the government and people want to play minority report.
They want to stop the crime before it happens.
You can't do that.
It doesn't actually work.
tim pool
Oh, but it's coming.
lucas botkin
The AI, chat, GP7, whatever is gonna probably do it.
But it's not practical and it's not going to work.
And it's only going to cause, and we've seen this up north where red flag laws have gotten innocent people killed where they show up to the doorstep, the guy comes out, There's an altercation.
He's like, why are you guys here?
I haven't done any community crimes yet.
Ends up getting shot.
There have been at least two of those that have happened.
It's going to do more harm than good.
And besides that, according to all these shootings that have happened, at least in the last, like, five years, supposedly the FBI already knew about the person.
Yeah, they were already watching him.
So it's like, well, it obviously doesn't work already.
I mean, you guys have been trying to do this kind of... I don't think the FBI tries to prevent crimes, right?
hannah claire brimelow
They're just aware stuff is going on.
They're like, maybe we'll help you do that crime.
lucas botkin
Yeah, it's a slippery slope, and it's not something that I think conservatives and people in general need to get away from, and just go, when a crime happens, we have people there who can shoot back, and that's how we resolve it.
Because we call the cops to resolve it while it's happening, so why not address it sooner when the incident actually occurs?
And if we saw that happen more often, A lot of these shootings would go down if people realized, like, hey, if we posted photos of the corpse of the shooter afterwards, kind of like what happened in Tennessee, a lot less of this shooter culture would be happening.
tim pool
I mean, I don't know.
I guess my concern is there are a lot of people with no purpose anymore and no community and no path towards notability.
And maybe notability is the wrong word, but people want recognition.
Feeling value.
And so they decide one way they'll make people remember their names is being evil.
Because if they can't be a famous superhero, they'll just be the villain.
That's the easiest path.
But we do have this story.
Here's a story from the Postmillennial.
Breaking!
Nashville trans shooters manifesto to be released by authorities.
Metro Nashville Police Department Public Information Office told Fox 17 on Thursday the investigation has advanced to the point that writings from the Covenant shooter are now being reviewed for public release.
That process is underway and will take a little time.
So, uh, I think we're gonna get it soon.
And what we already know is that it does relate to politics.
And what we've heard from various news sources, and even we've had some people reach out saying that they were either in the know or something, so it's all unconfirmed.
There have been other shows saying they have inside sources that suggest this individual was anti-Trump, was angry over the conservative politics and the banning on transgender surgery, child sex change surgery and things like that, and they were trying to, you know, maximize that carnage.
So I think it'll be interesting to see, and I'm curious, how it manifests in the public, because when this happened,
within days the Democrats turned it into a fundraiser for themselves.
phil labonte
It is, I look at the aftermath of it, the way that the Democratic Party and the politicians
surrounding the situation have behaved, it is atrocious.
And I thought that I was not, I thought that I got to a point where I couldn't be shocked
anymore.
But I'm really surprised at how the narrative has really, really been like, oh, it's about trans people.
It's like, a trans person actually killed and targeted Christians.
tim pool
Children.
phil labonte
Children, yeah.
And you have managed to make the trans people the victims.
That is absolutely astounding to me.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, above all else, you cannot be bigoted.
And you should know better.
tim pool
I think the important distinction with this individual, because I'll bring it back to gun rights, is people saw this shooter was trans, therefore they were talking about banning guns for trans people.
And I'm like, no, no, this was a leftist gender ideologue.
That's a big difference.
I think it's important that we have a distinction between someone who happens to be transgender and someone who is in a cult of a varying ideology.
Because there are people who are trans who are nowhere near that ideology, and we're friends.
And it's just like, I don't want my friend's rights curtailed because this person's a leftist wacko.
The leftism is the problem.
Or, my favorite way to put it, is when Tucker Carlson was accused of being racist, he was like, what?
White liberal women are the problem?
That's who I'm complaining about?
He's like, I don't have a problem with black people.
It's the ideology.
It's the cult.
lucas botkin
It's people's worldview.
That's what it comes down to.
tim pool
And so even then, even with the worldview, people have a right to keep in bare arms.
Leftists have a right to keep in bare arms, and I'm not gonna... But I will say, we're getting to the point where it's not gonna matter whether you want them to or not if it's active conflict.
If you have people who are of leftist ideology, like that dude at the ICE facility, I think it was in Tacoma, who firebombed and started shooting at it, or the guy who killed Aaron Danielson, at a certain point it's like, okay, we need to stop violent political extremists.
And then what do you do?
So it reminds me of that Karl Popper meme the left likes to share.
If you tolerate intolerance, intolerance wins.
And that's how they justify banning people's speech.
And I'm like, I believe in the right to keep and bear arms for everybody.
I believe in free speech, free press, religion, all that stuff.
But then when war happens, all of this stuff is meaningless.
You know?
lucas botkin
Yeah.
Well, then things are different.
Cause then it's, you've got supply lines, who's selling guns to who.
And so the, whichever side's over here will have their own infrastructure or lack thereof, depending on their funding mechanism.
And then the people over here will have their thing.
And then it's very clear.
Right now it's, there's not really battle lines.
There kind of are.
And there's gun stores.
These people walk in and they're like, do I sell this person or not?
And they have the freedom to deny sales.
The ATF actually likes it when gun stores don't sell to people that might be a threat, but who are those people?
tim pool
This is actually a good idea for a video we could do.
Have someone dress up as Antifa, like wearing Antifa clothes and go into a gun shop
and see what they say.
Yeah, and you'd be like, hey, I wanna buy guns.
phil labonte
I'll do it.
tim pool
I wanna A.J. this whole- But they might be like, okay, Phil.
phil labonte
Right, fair enough.
hannah claire brimelow
I love all that remains.
phil labonte
Actually, you know, the Green Mons, the gun shop in Martinsburg, I've been recognized twice.
tim pool
Exactly.
You're like, walk in and they're like, hi, I'm Antifa.
Like, no, you're not.
unidentified
Don't watch the show.
Get out of here.
tim pool
We know what your plan is.
phil labonte
Get out of here, Labonte.
tim pool
But I think the appropriate response is if someone wearing Antifa gear walked into a gun shop, they should be like, let me know what you need.
I don't think... That is the philosophical challenge right now.
Should a business be like, no, you are our enemies, you are dangerous, and I will not sell you this weapon?
Because that's actually a fair point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone at a gun store has suspicions that a person may use a weapon for criminal ends... They can deny sale.
But isn't it a requirement to deny sale?
lucas botkin
Um, probably, it technically probably is.
It probably is.
Like, hey, don't sell them that gun.
phil labonte
You don't want to be the guy, like if a cop comes to you and says, did you, did you think this guy was going to sell something?
And they'll be like, yeah, I totally thought he was going to go shoot up the mall and I sold it anyway.
lucas botkin
He said something.
I wanted the money.
tim pool
No, I'm pretty sure they get in trouble.
If they're like, the guy came in and he was talking about committing a crime.
And I said, well, here's your weapon.
Like, no, you can't.
lucas botkin
Sweating everywhere.
hannah claire brimelow
Effectively an accessory to the crime.
tim pool
So then if someone comes in wearing Antifa gear, You could.
I might be like, oh, man, I don't know, dude.
lucas botkin
Well, yeah, if it's like, let's say, let's go back to the peaceful times in 2020 and someone walks in right then when all that stuff's going on in, let's say, Oregon.
tim pool
Oh, hands down.
lucas botkin
I think there would be a good case to be like, you know what?
I'd rather not sell to you.
You can go to someone else.
tim pool
Slam dunk case.
lucas botkin
You're not the kind of person I want to assist.
tim pool
I'll stop there.
I say, if I owned a gun store, and it was during the summer of love, and someone with Antifa BLM gear came on, I'd be like, get out right now.
phil labonte
One of my closest friends in New Hampshire, the gun shop that Highlander Arms, a buddy of mine, owns, like, if someone went in there and he knew that they were a leftist, there is no way.
He'd kick them out himself.
tim pool
Most gun stories you think would do that?
phil labonte
Not all.
lucas botkin
I'll take that back.
The ones with backbones, so maybe a little bit less than half.
hannah claire brimelow
But, like, Dick's Sporting Goods wouldn't, right?
Like, they would be like, okay, here you go, have a good time.
tim pool
Yeah, but I feel like if a guy with, like, an Antifa bandana and, like, a shirt and everything walked in there and it was like, it's time to go fight for justice, where are the guns?
They'd be like, right this way, sir.
And they'd walk him over and be like, here, we have a 12-gauge.
lucas botkin
It also, yeah, and it also, well, it also depends, is it a chain, you know, a place you don't have control?
Or is it a little mom-and-pop gun shop where the owner is literally there at the desk?
I don't think he would even say that.
service you're gonna get from both places. Like the little gun store in my county, no,
that guy would totally deny sale. But if it were to export goods, no, that employee's
just gonna be like, I can't do anything, I don't have the freedom, it's a corporation,
tim pool
I can't do it. I don't think he would even say that. He'd be like, right this way, sir.
Here we have a fine selection of firearms for you.
lucas botkin
Exactly.
phil labonte
They would have no idea.
hannah claire brimelow
Do they make a commission on gun sales at Dick's Sporting Goods?
You'd be like, buy an extra!
lucas botkin
Well, and Dick's Sporting Goods got boycotted.
They don't even sell guns anymore, I don't think.
unidentified
I mean, they do.
They do.
phil labonte
They don't sell ARs.
Oh, they don't sell ARs.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, I was gonna say.
tim pool
They sell shotguns, I think.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, front guns.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
And I think they sell like 10-22s and stuff like that.
lucas botkin
Fudguns.
tim pool
Fudguns.
lucas botkin
10-22s great, to be honest.
Those are great.
tim pool
If you go to the Dicks out here in, I think it's a Dicks, in Maryland, they have basically just shotguns.
And I think they might have some 22s, and it's just, it's just, it's silly.
lucas botkin
It's pandering.
They pulled the ARs, like, what was it, six years ago, four years ago, after a shooting, and they were like, we're not gonna sell those weapons of war, we'll just sell shotguns.
And then Walmart, same thing.
Walmart pulled out, I think it was six years ago, and then they finally removed all guns.
tim pool
So let me ask you a question.
If we were talking about maximizing defense, minimizing collateral damage, being safe and secure, which would you prefer?
You're in your house, you have, I don't know, let's just say like, what is it, like a .72 caliber SABO slug for deer?
Um, and you're 12 gauge, or you have like an AR-15.
lucas botkin
AR hands down, 100%.
Short barrel, suppressed.
tim pool
And that's so illegal, right?
Like suppressors, it's like restricted.
My point is just, Joe Biden says to fire the shotgun into the air.
Scare away, yeah.
And they're trying to sell people like buckshot for home defense.
lucas botkin
Or birdshot.
tim pool
Or birdshot.
But either way, like, I kind of feel like It would be fairly brutal to use a 12 gauge on somebody in your home and put like a 10 inch hole in their chest.
lucas botkin
Oh, it'd be very violent.
tim pool
This is correct.
lucas botkin
This is the problem with shotguns.
And again, this is like FUD knowledge from the past.
Shotguns are so much harder to use well by an untrained person than handing them an AR-15.
I mean, the AK-47 originally was designed for the average conscript to use.
Very simple to manipulate and function.
A shotgun, on the other hand, if it's a pump, you got to pump it every time you pull the trigger, which already mentally, if you haven't trained that, most people aren't going to rack a second round.
That's just how it's going to be.
And they are.
It's 30 round mag goes in, pull the charging handle, safety, and I can pull the trigger 30 times and I'm good to go.
Super simple to use.
tim pool
And the recoil. And the recoil. When we go out to the range with people, man, they do not,
they think the shotguns are the easy ones. Yeah. And I'm like, we have the shoulder pads for the
shotgun if you want to use them. Like, why? Like, now. It's like, you might want to try using the,
like, the AR-556 or whatever, because that's, you're not gonna, you might be like, oh, wow,
that was it? But that's the point, I guess. The argument being made by the gun control people is
too easy to use.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Shotguns are hard.
lucas botkin
They, well, and they don't even know exactly what are, the only argument they really use is inconsistent.
It's a weapon of war.
It's what the military has.
And I'm doing a video on it next week.
Is an M4A1 the military has the same as a civilian AR-15?
Well, it actually turns out civilian AR-15s are better.
M4A1s the military has, a lot of them are shot out.
They're crap.
AR-15s I can buy right now for a thousand dollars.
They're better than what the military has.
And the left is not like that.
tim pool
We, uh, I've got a KSG-25.
Oh, you're familiar?
lucas botkin
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so for those that aren't, it can hold 25 shotgun shells, and we're at the range, and it's loaded with buckshot, and the wave of devastation is bonkers.
lucas botkin
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Here's the crazy thing.
That's legal in Maryland.
But an M1A is illegal.
lucas botkin
That is so funny.
tim pool
An M1A is an assault weapon, and I'm like, that's kind of weird, because for those that don't understand, if you've got 25 shells, you've got 25 shells buckshot, I'm watching this thing just melt the target, the wood flying everywhere, it's being ripped apart like a chainsaw is gutting it from every direction.
It's kind of it was kind of cool.
lucas botkin
But it was like also I think it's 225 lead balls.
Yeah, shooting like nine shot or so well play.
phil labonte
Boom, boom, like well play shotgun shells will remove parts of bodies like you will literally take an arm off.
Yeah, if you're if you're skilled with a shotgun, it will remove body parts, large chunks of very politically incorrect.
lucas botkin
Very quickly.
tim pool
But that's the crazy thing to me, that that's the argument they always go to is get a shotgun, and I'm like, there's exotic rounds, there's weird stuff.
lucas botkin
There's Dragon's Breath.
Can you imagine a CCTV video and you just Dragon's Breath a person?
tim pool
It's magnesium, right, I think?
lucas botkin
Yeah, just blast it out.
tim pool
Dragon's Breath is like a shell loaded with magnesium, so it sprays flaming metal at you.
Awesome.
And that's the stuff that they're like, that's fine.
Yeah, that's that's the stuff we're not trying to control.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's because they don't understand it.
lucas botkin
Exactly. So SBRs, the perfect, this is another perfect thing. So SBRs, short barreled rifles,
are technically illegal unless you pay this little tax stamp to the government, which is weird.
They shouldn't be illegal if you can pay a little fine to owe, that doesn't make sense.
It's exactly a bribe.
I can own machine guns because I paid $2,500 to the ATF, and other people can't.
It's the most preposterous thing ever.
But an SBR, you know, a barrel below 16 inches, is technically illegal unless you do paperwork to a tax stamp of $200.
But it is less lethal than a 20-inch M16, which will penetrate body armor with the right ammo, and a little 10.3556 can't.
So it's... It's nonsense.
They don't know what they're doing.
Obviously with the regulation, they're old, they're outdated, but a 20 inch M16 is way more lethal than the average person.
tim pool
What's going on with this pistol brace ban they just did?
I saw there was a video of members of Congress questioning the ATF and the ATF couldn't answer basic questions about They didn't whine.
phil labonte
Which is typical.
That is a normal thing to see.
When you see Congress people interrogating people that are in the regulatory body, the ATF that is charged with regulating firearms, and they know nothing.
tim pool
Someone asked him, he's like, you don't know the difference between 556 and 300 blackout?
And this is like the ATF director.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, the director of ADF did this thing and they were like, define in 15 seconds for me an assault weapon.
And he was like, well, I'm not a gun expert, so I can't.
And one of my favorite tweets that came out, I think it was a guy named George Costas, he said, he doesn't know anything about firearms.
I'm glad he admitted that.
Does he know a lot about alcohol and tobacco?
What is this guy doing?
tim pool
Yeah, it's like, name your favorite booze.
Oh, look, I'm not a drinker.
I don't know anything about it.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I am not an expert.
lucas botkin
That's the kind of person Budweiser should hire, though.
hannah claire brimelow
That's right.
tim pool
And then tobacco?
Can we get rid of this agency?
It makes no sense.
lucas botkin
There's a problem with that.
There's actually a problem with that.
phil labonte
You tweeted about this this morning.
I tweeted about this.
I saw, yeah.
lucas botkin
Because I was talking to someone at the ATF a few weeks ago, you know, an inside man, just getting some information, and they don't like the FBI.
Nobody likes the FBI.
I don't think anyone in America, if you were sitting in a bar and a guy said, you said, hey, what do you do for work?
And he said, I work with the FBI.
X-Files?
tim pool
The average American won't thank an FBI agent for their service.
They're not gonna do that.
Not right now.
FBI to go, oh yeah, X-Files. I'd be like, really? Tell me everything.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I know he's like that guy who's in Bones and helps her with her cases. He's cool.
tim pool
Yeah, but TV FBI agents we like, I guess.
lucas botkin
The average American won't thank an FBI agent for their service. They're not going to do that.
Not right now. But so I was talking to my ATF guy and we were talking about,
shoot, where was I going?
The brace thing.
What were we just talking about?
tim pool
Abolishing the ATF.
lucas botkin
Abolishing the ATF.
And so I asked him about that.
And he said, well, the problem with the ATF going away is the FBI would take over.
And they have infinite resources.
They're weaponized way more easily by the administration.
Like, technically, they've been trying to weaponize the ATF for political means.
And they put through an executive order, I think, in 2021.
It's still not in effect this year.
That's how slow moving the ATF is, which is good for us.
Like, I actually don't mind.
That's pretty cool.
My tweet was essentially, the ATF should get removed when the gun laws are removed at the same time so the FBI can't do anything squirrely and weird.
phil labonte
And as long as you're, I mean, it's not really that tall of an order to get rid of federal gun laws because the federal government doesn't have extensive gun laws thanks to the Second Amendment.
There's really limits placed on what the feds can actually do.
tim pool
But here's the most important question.
The ATF has just imposed a rule without Congress making it illegal to own an item attached to a weapon that will make, what, hundreds of thousands of people criminals?
phil labonte
Millions.
Millions and millions and millions.
lucas botkin
I can't remember what that number was.
I think it was like three?
tim pool
I don't know.
Many, many.
I had to have them, because I think I have a handful of pistols with braces.
They were all removed and separated and stored somewhere far away.
lucas botkin
I just got bomb socks and everything, man.
tim pool
But with that... Are you still allowed to have them so long as they're not attached?
lucas botkin
No, the whole bombshell thing's... Oh, they lost that.
tim pool
They lost it.
lucas botkin
Right, but no one knows.
It's in limbo.
Will the company start selling them again?
No, probably not, because they're like, well, they'll just ban it in the next administration.
tim pool
But a court struck that down.
lucas botkin
That is correct.
And the brace thing, it's going to be the exact same thing.
They're going to fight it for two years.
The issue is for resellers, like Gun Broker, for example, the day that went out, or the next day that went out, they pulled all listings of guns with braces off of their website.
tim pool
Let me provide people with some context real quick just because it may be a little bit esoteric for a lot of people.
There are pistols and there are people who are disabled.
In order to fire the pistol, they attach a brace which goes onto your forearm so you can hold it.
However, they can adjust in length, they're retractable, and so some people, and these are bad people, I tell ya, they pushed it up to their shoulder to simulate a stock.
Because a brace can simulate a stock, they've now made it illegal.
Or they've just issued a decree.
lucas botkin
They made a short-barreled rifle, essentially.
tim pool
They've decreed it.
Now that's the biggest problem I have.
I've said on the show, I was like, come on, we know people are using braces like stocks.
It's like- Everyone.
Right, right, everybody knows.
First of all, I disagree with all the gun control.
But if it went through Congress, I'd roll my eyes, I'd complain about it, but this is a hundred times worse than that.
lucas botkin
A rogue agency.
tim pool
A rogue agency issuing a rule.
We hereby decree that if you have this thing, you're a felon.
lucas botkin
That's crazy. Yep. And the issue is most people aren't following the news. I mean, they just don't
want to. They want to go about their life, work their job, do whatever. They don't know what's
going on with every regulation. And then all of a sudden a doodle that caught up and I'll be like,
well, I didn't know it got changed. I didn't realize y'all were changing laws every three
years and regulations for the thing that you said. Right.
But they said braces are fine.
Like you can do this thing.
They, you know, SB sent this product to them.
They said that's fine.
And so everyone bought them.
And then, oh, you're going to change your mind on it and go back on it.
And that's going to screw over all the people that don't pay attention to the laws.
Because, I mean, I have a hard time paying attention.
I literally do this for a job, keeping up with all the regulations.
I mean, I'm probably a felon five days out of the week.
tim pool
If I didn't cover the news.
There's no way I would have known about this.
And so sure enough, when the news comes out, it's like, okay, we got to go.
And I think there were, I think like three and we took them off and we moved them and stored them somewhere else.
phil labonte
I mean, I am a, you know, I'm a, I'm a guy that shoots a lot and I paid a lot of attention to guns and I'm, you know, active in the gun world and at least enough to be aware of what's going on.
And to think that the average person is going to do that kind of stuff when they've got, they've got a family, they've got work, they've got kids, they've got all kinds of election coming up.
lucas botkin
They're like, Oh, What do I do?
phil labonte
It's like they're normal people with normal lives.
And that's something that I think a lot of people that are wrapped up in this kind of stuff don't realize.
Your average person doesn't spend their days paying attention to the details about what, you know, what laws are passed or whatever.
And when you can go to, you know, you can go to like Runnings in New England, there's this, it's essentially tractor supply that sells guns as well.
But you can buy a 10-inch pistol, or you could buy a 10-inch pistol, and some dude just goes and he's like, oh, I can pick this up for $1,500, go home, and I shoot it once in a while, that doesn't watch Guntube stuff, and he doesn't know that he's now a felon, or he's gonna be a felon, or whatever.
That's ridiculous.
tim pool
You see that viral video of that Gen Z Democrat, where he was like, we're coming for your guns!
We're gonna win!
unidentified
We're gonna take them!
We're not sitting by and do nothing!
tim pool
You invited him to your house?
lucas botkin
No, no, he's hired by the White House.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
I was going to say, you should invite him to your house.
lucas botkin
I'll take him to the range.
I mean, I'll have to have some people there so I don't get like Chris Kyle or something.
tim pool
But I tweeted, they already lost.
lucas botkin
Who?
tim pool
The gun control people.
Not only are we looking at 27 constitutional carry states, I think Nebraska and Florida are next to go into effect, but 3D printed guns exist.
It's done.
unidentified
There's nothing they can do about it.
lucas botkin
Well, I won't say what I was going to say.
I was going to say ammo.
So they tried to go after ammo a few years ago, green tip ammo.
That's honestly, yes, a steel penetrator.
It's all right.
It's not that great, but it works.
But they tried to go after ammo.
And the thing that gun control people could do if they were smart is they would go after, they would use OSHA compliance and they would try to shut down businesses and make it harder for businesses to function.
Businesses would have to raise the prices to offset that.
I know, but I'm telling everyone who's on here who needs to understand these things.
Because I run a business, I can actually talk about this.
That's how they could actually shut down a lot of people from owning guns and make it so only people in like the six-figure income bracket could actually afford guns.
That would be the way to do it because they're not going to actually ban weapons anytime soon.
But in states like Washington, I mean, they just did and now that's being fought.
So in some of the really blue states, like super blue states, I think we will see those bans at least be in effect for another 10-20 years until culture can shift and change.
But nationally, it's not gonna happen.
tim pool
I just wanna point out, like, it's kind of amazing that we are winning this well.
Like, gun- For one thing, yeah.
Gun rights are winning so tremendously.
It's like not even a contest.
phil labonte
It's never been popular in America, no matter how much the media says,
it's never been popular when you get down to the individual level to take guns away.
If you talk- But wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
It wasn't until, I think, like 2008 with, was it Heller in DC?
That people were actually able to have guns legally nationwide.
phil labonte
Good.
tim pool
We had, in the 80s, most states would not give you a gun permit.
You couldn't have guns.
And then you watch around the year 2000, constitutional carry starts popping up state by state.
And now it's 27 states.
So Nebraska, so it's 25 in effect.
Florida just did permitless conceal carry.
Nebraska, I think, went full constitutional.
unidentified
Am I wrong?
lucas botkin
Yeah, just today, I think it was.
tim pool
And more coming!
It ain't over here!
More and more states are going to implode.
lucas botkin
I think the big frontier is going to be, and the issue right now is, the federal government still controls who gets to sell guns.
That is the whole FFL, the whole thing, the Gun Control Act, or whatever it was.
That is the actual, like, the final frontier of getting rights back is, when can states just get to do it on their own?
You could have their own system for choosing who gets to sell guns.
tim pool
That's a 10th Amendment violation?
hannah claire brimelow
Did they get to before?
Did states ever get to control who... I'm sorry, I'm not up on my gun history.
lucas botkin
I think back in the day, they took guns to schools, actually.
phil labonte
The thing is, a lot of people that are anti-gun will sit there and they'll say, well, you never had this right, you never had that right, et cetera, et cetera.
But that's essentially spinning reality on its head.
Because the idea that you were prohibited was foreign to a free people.
If you are by your nature free, then the idea that you don't have this right is completely foreign to the concept of you being free.
It comes with your liberty.
The fact that you're free means you don't have to ask permission.
And that doesn't matter what the context is, you know?
And it's so the idea that, oh, you know, you only the government is creating this right and etc.
No, no, no, no, no.
The government doesn't create liberties.
Liberties exist.
And then The only thing the government can do is infringe upon those, which the Second Amendment is ostensibly supposed to prevent, which it does a poor job of in my estimation.
unidentified
Right.
lucas botkin
Although it did help with the Bruin case.
phil labonte
It did.
lucas botkin
They did go back to that and go, hey, according to this thing, you know, in order to pass regulations, you can't just say it's for public safety because you can't actually argue that.
So like you can't do it anymore.
tim pool
The bump stock thing, that was a while ago, wasn't it?
They struck it down?
lucas botkin
I think it was sort of struck down and then it was kind of struck down again because there was something about it recently.
Again, I didn't really But like, they're once again legal.
Yes, but I don't think anyone will come out and start selling them or putting them on a gun broker or anything like that, because it's still kind of that weird burnt child syndrome.
They're like, it's a butt sock, Trump banned it, don't really want to do anything with it.
tim pool
And so the real thing they're doing is, when they say pistol braces are banned, people get rid of them, detach them.
lucas botkin
Stop selling them, companies go out of business.
tim pool
And then they lose, and then people are like, wow, we don't have them anymore.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Businesses that make them go under.
lucas botkin
Yep.
SB is probably, I mean, I mean, they haven't been able to sell them for the last couple of months.
So that's two months of revenue lost or three months, whenever that was.
And I had this conversation with them.
They're the biggest brace, the company, like that's literally how I got started, SB Tactical.
And they said, Hey, our goal, and this is what I really appreciate about them.
They were actual zealots for the cause and not just, not just capitalists, but they're capitalists with a conscience.
They said, we would love to put ourselves out of business by getting SBRs taken off.
unidentified
Yeah.
lucas botkin
So then we don't have to make these stupid things.
We'll pivot and make stocks and we'll be fine.
So yeah, they're probably two months out of revenue.
They're putting all their efforts into the political fight.
tim pool
There are disabled people who use them.
lucas botkin
Yeah, sure.
tim pool
So you still do need pistol braces.
lucas botkin
Yeah, they'll make, I mean, they would definitely make a lot less, but not as much.
tim pool
That's the thing, like, the problem is We will be honest about the fact that people are using them as stocks.
lucas botkin
I mean, I got tons of YouTube videos doing it, so... You have an interest there.
tim pool
And then, but because of that honesty...
Our political rivals will weaponize, like they will not be honest back.
They'll claim the AR-15 needs to be banned and then completely ignore every other weapon and every other, you know, whatever.
lucas botkin
Yeah.
Well, I think that's a lot of the issue.
My issue, and I've been speaking about this for like the last six years, is gun owners, sugar coat, like the modern sporting rifle is a perfect example.
Companies go, well, we can't call it an M4.
We can't call it a weapon.
So we're going to call it a sporting rifle.
And that right there communicates to people that, oh, this is a privilege, not a right.
It's just a sporting instrument.
It's for 3 gun or 2 gun or shooting sports.
Which people aren't... When the M&P 15 in 2020, the M&P 15 was the best-selling rifle in the nation.
An AR-15 with a front sight post, 16-inch barrel.
People were not buying those to shoot competitions.
We did not see a rise in shooting sports, USPSA, multi-gun, three-gun, when all those rifles were getting bought.
That's not why people are buying them.
But companies go, we're gonna call it a sporting rifle, so that we get some heat taken off of us.
But all that does is communicate to gun owners, this is a privilege, not a right, and it's gonna cause issues.
And I've literally told companies, like, they've asked me, hey, what should we do to modernize our brand a little bit?
And I just go, Dump that name.
Get rid of it.
It's doing more harm than good long term.
It might be fine right now, but in 10 years, what's it going to do to the culture and how people view guns?
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story, which is not about guns, but is about the Department of Justice from the Tennessean.
DOJ challenges Tennessee's ban on transgender care for minors.
The first thing I want to say is I take issue with the title of this article, so I'm going to rephrase it for the sake of honesty.
Department of Justice challenges Tennessee's ban on child sex change surgery.
I mean, you'll laugh, but like, language is a huge component of how the left plays politics.
phil labonte
100%, absolutely.
tim pool
And this is exactly what was banned.
They don't want medications, puberty blockers, hormones, and surgery for children.
So these children have to, you know, be adults before making these decisions.
But now the DOJ has announced that they are going to, under the 14th Amendment, try and block this ban from happening.
They argue, SB1, the bill, makes it unlawful to provide or offer to provide certain types of medical care for transgender minors with diagnosed gender dysphoria.
SB1's blanket ban prohibits potential treatment options that have been recommended by major medical associations for consideration in limited circumstances in accordance with established and comprehensive guidelines, etc., etc., by denying only transgender youth access to these forms of medically necessary care, while allowing non-transgender minors access to the same or similar procedures.
What?! !
Did you catch that?
But let me read it.
It discriminates against transgender youth.
The DOJ is arguing that non-trans kids are undergoing sex change surgery.
If that's the case, we've got a bigger problem than just this one bill.
hannah claire brimelow
There are caveats in most bills, including Tennessee's, that say children who are born with a genetic defect, they don't identify as Shans.
There's literally something wrong.
They're intersex.
There's another issue at play.
They can get hormonal treatment or something like that.
But those people are not in the same sphere as I'm not sure what might generate.
It's a fringe case.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's determined very much by their genetics and their biology as opposed to their psychological condition.
lucas botkin
How often does that... I mean, and I don't know, I haven't studied this, but how often does that actually happen?
Are we talking like a .0001%?
hannah claire brimelow
It's really rare.
I mean, it's very uncommon.
tim pool
Are you talking about intersex?
hannah claire brimelow
Intersex kids, or kids who are born with like XXY chromosomes.
tim pool
I think it's like .0017 or something.
hannah claire brimelow
But it makes sense to permit them... Vanishingly small.
lucas botkin
Right, but they want to use that to argue, well, we should do it for everyone!
tim pool
Well, now that we're seeing tens of thousands of kids undergoing procedures of some sort over the past few years, it's getting into like, I think it's 60 or so thousand.
We went over this when Destiny was here.
Yeah, 40-some-odd thousand taking cross-sex hormones or puberty blockers and then it's in the thousands of Teenage girls who are getting mastectomies.
lucas botkin
Can you imagine if a country, because you know, Europe, they're banning it.
If a foreign country in the future, say in 10 years, and we've got just all this stuff going on, it's like, we're gonna invade America to free the oppressed and get rid of this stuff that's destroying kids, and a foreign nation wanted to invade us over that.
Wouldn't that be fascinating?
tim pool
You know, if I was gonna look at history, and you're gonna look at an invasion or something, If a foreign invader, let's say it was like, I don't know, a European nation, we'll call it like a water... Call it Germany, they're good at it.
Let's just say there's like a big land mass in Europe and it's surrounded by water.
And then maybe there's like a smaller landmass to the west, and then people from one go to the other, and then say like, you can't have kids anymore, and you can't speak your language.
One way to, you know, get rid of that lineage is to stop them from having kids, avoiding their kids, or sterilizing their kids.
lucas botkin
Yep.
tim pool
That's one thing.
So when I see this, this is why I keep saying like, it really does feel like Democrats hate their own constituents.
Because like, if you went to someone and said, have you considered sterilizing your children?
It sounds like you're insulting them.
phil labonte
I think there is a deep nihilism that comes from most of the philosophies that come from the left.
I think that there is a real significant dislike of humanity.
The whole environmental movement, I feel like, is anti-human.
A lot of the left, I feel like, is anti-human.
When you say stuff like that, it doesn't sound like you're talking about something crazy.
It fits right in with my kind of concept of the way the left thinks, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
It comes from the same sphere of humanity that produces articles that's like, here are 30 women who talk about why they regret having children and it's like all selfish reasons.
I will point out that the DOJ sued Alabama for similar reasons.
Alabama has a Senate Bill 184 and it's effectively very similar, right?
It's restricting the medical procedures that you can offer children who identify as transgender and they classify it as part of their push to prevent a gender-based discrimination and I find this to be Such a blatant show of activism.
They sued Alabama in April of 2022.
And you have to wonder, who is backing this?
I guess I have never really liked the federal government, so it's easy for me to say we should let the states regulate on their own.
But on the left, Are you really that interested in authoritarianism where you can have a justice department that just actively tries to selectively push its agenda?
Like, at what point does that become appealing to someone?
When you're growing up, when do you start thinking like, you know what I really want?
A really strong central government that promotes an ideology that destroys children.
phil labonte
I don't think that the government – I think the government is a – from their perspective, the government is a necessary evil to achieve the ends that they're looking for.
And they don't think about the fact that when you empower the government, you never – it just continues to amass power.
It's not going to give power back.
hannah claire brimelow
Seems crazy to me.
The other part that I find interesting is that the DOJ put out this statement saying this is a terrible thing to do, especially for transgender
identifying youth, or they say transgender youth, but who are already at risk of suicide,
depression, etc. And then the Tennessee Attorney General, his office put out a statement saying
like, actually no, this is not a confirmed way to treat children.
In fact, having them go through these treatments can increase suicide, anxiety, and depression.
And so they're at this crossroads where, you know, we really don't know what to do with this issue.
And so you can kind of argue the same thing and end up on different ends.
tim pool
It's the same screen, two different movies, like Scott Adams says.
phil labonte
Lucas, I mean, you're from Tennessee.
Is there a significant appetite for this stuff around Nashville?
Do you feel like there's a lot of people that are like, Or does it seem like this stuff is coming out of nowhere and there's not a lot of support for it?
lucas botkin
It does seem like something that comes out of nowhere.
I'm not a real big conspiracy theorist, but when all this stuff is being talked about, none of this is shocking to me.
And the reason this isn't shocking to me is, for the last 50 years, everyone has been desensitized to being okay with murdering babies.
It's something like 63 million, I think is what I wrote down.
I was doing some research earlier today.
63 million babies have been aborted in the last 50 years just here in our country.
unidentified
Wow.
lucas botkin
So over 50 years people have been desensitized to it.
It's okay.
It's acceptable.
We can do it at four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks.
I think someone was telling me it was either the West Virginia governor a couple years ago was saying after the baby was born, or it was Virginia governor, I can't remember.
That was Virginia.
And so with all this trans stuff about kids, If people don't value their children before they're born,
why would they value their children after?
tim pool
But the abortion thing, it is important to point out, of the 63 million, it was probably like
63 million Democrats, you know what I mean?
I mean, but I mean, but, but, you know, it's not meant to be snide or rude or funny.
Sure.
To make the point like.
lucas botkin
Those are the people doing it.
tim pool
That's 63 million votes gone in 20 years, the Democratic Party.
Yeah.
And that means that the politics around abortion is going to change.
No questions.
I mean, people on the right say, yeah but they're trying to indoctrinate our kids and I'm
like yes but you are aware of that.
So as long as you're aware and you're resisting it, then the likelihood they convert your kids into being, you know, anti-baby is very low.
lucas botkin
Well, and the trans thing too, I mean, I've only seen a few, you know, stories come out of kids afterwards who say they regret, you know, you read it.
There's a lot.
Honestly, it's probably the most sad, depressing thing I ever see are the stories of those kids who are like, I can never get this back, I made this decision, or my parents had me make this decision, I can't do anything.
And I feel like In the next, like, five years, those are going to blow up.
There's going to be a lot more of those.
Or the suicide rate's going to go up even more.
So at what point are people really going to ask the question?
Or are they going to squish all those stories and just keep doing it?
tim pool
We've seen it before.
I mean, there have been practices that have been banned.
Lobotomies are banned.
They would go to people and say, I think the appropriate treatment for your child is for us to remove a portion of their frontal lobe through their nose or something like that.
And then they would turn their kids into zombies.
Wasn't there, like, a Kennedy?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's Rosemary Kennedy.
She's the first daughter, so it was Joe, John, and then Rosemary, and she had, they believe, like, didn't have enough oxygen when she was born.
She always had some sort of brain disorder, and it became progressively worse, and her parents eventually heard, like, hey, there's this cool new treatment.
It might be able to help, and they were desperate.
I mean, I think everyone looking back recognizes how wrong they were, but when you don't have the information, I could understand.
Right, but even then there was enough, I mean I think at the time when she had her lobotomy it was only like a hundred people had undergone them, which like already seems like too many, but again if you didn't know and if they're, as they were, misrepresenting the results of these things, I mean...
I understand wanting to help the people you love and especially if you're desperate, but I think it's obvious in this case that waiting is the best course of action, right?
Offering other forms of therapy and really discussing with your child, like, what's going on is so much safer than saying, take these drugs, alter your body.
lucas botkin
Well, and I also feel like I saw a video, I think it was Jordan Peterson who posted it earlier today, and this obviously isn't happening for everyone, but it's probably happening more than people want to admit.
There was this bunch of TikTok videos of this dad with his trans daughter, and the report was that he was using her for likes and attention.
And that right there has all sorts of problems with it, but I would be curious how many parents are going through with this to keep up with the Joneses.
It is now the new thing.
Oh, yeah, my kid's trans, too.
Yours is, too.
Hey, I'm doing this, you know?
And I mean, the kid's just a pawn.
tim pool
Bill Barr mentions it.
We're seeing it in California, but not Ohio.
So either there's something happening in the water in California, or they're socializing their kids this way.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and during COVID, when students went home, there were all these anecdotal reports about, we used to have, you know, six identifying, trans-identifying students, and now it's only one of them, a bunch of them, decided when they were home with their families that they didn't actually feel this way, right?
Of course it's anecdotal.
I'd love to see hard numbers on it, but there is something to be said for the social contagion aspect of it.
I think you're totally right.
I miss the days of the tiger mom when it's like all these women trying to make their kids be the best of whatever.
Like instead of trying to make your kid a different gender, can't you just like stress them out about getting good grades?
Not that that's a healthy way to parent, but yeah.
tim pool
Let's move on to this story that I really don't want to talk about but kind of feel like we have to.
Yasir Ali, journalist, published footage from Steven Crowder's home with his wife because they're going through a divorce.
And I don't think this should be published.
I think Yasir Ali was wrong to publish this.
I don't think it should be discussed.
But the issue is, The video's got half a million views, the tweet itself, I think, has two million views, so I'm interested in talking about, to a certain degree, what it is, because it is a thing people are watching, but more so the ethics of why this should not be a thing, and how I think it's being weaponized against Steven Crowder.
So, to put it simply, there's a few big stories right now.
One, you may have seen Steven Crowder put out a video where he said that he's going through a divorce, it's horrendous, and that he, I think he said he's being extorted, is that what he said?
hannah claire brimelow
He implied, right?
tim pool
Did he say extorted, or?
hannah claire brimelow
He said, if you know what extortion is, like, this is what it feels like, or something like that.
tim pool
Now the media, Daily Beast reports Steven Crowder's extortion war with Candace Owens blows up, and I'm wondering, how is it that Steven Crowder's divorce has become something for, like, Yasher to publish?
Why is it news?
It's ridiculous.
phil labonte
Because the left hates Steven Crowder.
tim pool
Because the left hates Steven Crowder.
And so, this is a huge opportunity for them to attack him, to accuse him of wrongdoing.
And then you get this video.
This video that I'm not going to play.
I know a lot of people want me to play it.
People were commenting, like, you gotta play the video.
People are mad at Crowder.
Dude, I will not fall for a 20-second out-of-context clip.
I'm not playing that game.
That's what I want to say about this to everybody who's seen this video.
You've got Steven Crowder's wife.
She's very pregnant.
They're arguing, I guess, over a car or something.
Like, I was surprised to learn that Crowder, his family, has one car.
lucas botkin
Or, supposedly.
tim pool
Supposedly.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Do we know for sure?
Exactly, exactly.
Because, like, when I hear the story that Crowder's fighting with his wife because he wants to use the car and he doesn't want her to use the car, I'm kind of like... Maybe the other car's in the shop.
Maybe.
But Crowder seems like the kind of guy who would have three, maybe four, or five cars.
lucas botkin
Maybe a collection he doesn't want to tell anyone about.
tim pool
Yeah, no, I mean, more than, you know.
But what I want to say about the video clip is a few questions.
One, how did Yasir Ali get three minutes of video footage of Crowder, quote, being emotionally abusive to his wife?
phil labonte
From Crowder's house.
From Crowder's house.
tim pool
So who is recording this?
They have a ring camera in their... I mean, this is crazy.
Audio and video record in his house.
And what bothers me about this is...
Man, I'm reluctant to say what I think, but I think Crowder's being set up.
lucas botkin
I mean, he wouldn't post that footage.
unidentified
Right.
lucas botkin
Himself.
tim pool
That means somebody knew the footage was available, shared it with the press, and...
Who could that have been?
I mean it is like it is possible that someone at ring but I mean I do I think I think I did I'm just gonna say it come on man who do you think his wife yeah she's he's getting divorced so who and he said it's become increasingly hostile like I wonder if this is actually something got submitted to the court I don't want to accuse I don't know that she did I'm just saying Crowder in this video He's not gonna release that footage.
lucas botkin
No, no.
If it was hacked footage, either of them, I would assume, would be upset by that, and would say it.
Or they might both say it.
Be like, hey, we're having issues, but our camera's in our home.
hannah claire brimelow
Where our children live.
lucas botkin
We're hacked, where our children are.
This is an issue, we're gonna sue Ring, and it's gonna be a thing.
But I don't think that's happened.
They haven't said that, no.
tim pool
I wanna say something, too, that's kind of crazy, is people are acting like this video is really bad, and it's not.
So, uh, basically his wife says, we're at an impasse.
I love you, but I need some time.
And then she's, she accuses him, she says something about his abuse and he says, watch it, watch it.
And like, that's basically it.
And I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to be mad about.
lucas botkin
They're just, people want to be mad.
They want to be mad.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's actually impossible to judge because you, we don't know them.
Like we don't know them on this level.
I mean, it's, it's something that I think as a culture, especially women are increasingly aware of, like, you need to be careful about the dynamics you put yourself in.
And, like, I do know people who have been in really controlling relationships where, like, only having one car is a part of that.
But I don't know the crowders well enough to have any context to believe that's where this comes from, right?
Like, it's- it's, I think, hard not to read- you have to be careful not to read your own experience into it.
Like, if you have been in a dangerous situation, you might see it, But if you haven't, you may not.
It's hard to know what it is.
lucas botkin
I remember I was hanging out with some friends of mine.
This is probably like six years ago.
And I heard how they talked to each other.
And I was like, man, I don't know if I like that.
I'm not going to talk to my wife that way.
And then over the years, as I got to know, I was like, oh, this is kind of how they joke around with each other and say stuff.
Now, I'm not saying that's what's happening here.
But like a lot of people, especially people commenting on this, are they married?
Are they in a relationship?
tim pool
Do they actually know what they're talking about?
You know, I'll probably get in trouble to some degree for saying my opinions on this, because I think it's a stupid story that shouldn't be published.
But when I see camera footage released that's got a 20-second clip that makes someone like Crowder look bad, and then... I'll just put it this way.
If there was a recording of say like, let's say Phil Labonte was accused of wrongdoing, and then all of a sudden a recording emerges, and I'm like, hello there Phil, tell me about that time you bought illegal drugs.
And then Phil's like, what are you talking about?
You know, the illegal drugs you bought.
Tell me.
You'd kind of assume that someone was intending on that recording existing for purposes of implicating another person.
So when I see this, and again, without accusing anybody, because I don't know, when I see this and someone says, let me tell you about your abuse, Steven, I'm like, what?
Do people talk like that?
Like, it's a very specific thing to say to someone, and then Crowder clearly reacts negatively to it.
He says, watch it.
And then he says, effing watch it.
And my response to that is like, dude, if someone walked up to me in my room and accused me of something as serious as that, I might be like, excuse me?
No, get out.
Like, I'm not having that conversation.
Because that's not true, that's not fair.
What are you saying?
Worse still, somebody leaked the footage to Yasir Ali.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, anything... At this point, with the way the culture war is going, anybody that is a prominent figure on the right, it is every opportunity that someone on the left can take to knock you down or to smear you, they're going to take.
It's something that people that are on the right have to be aware of.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
So Fairpoint, people are mentioning, that's a Twitter clip.
There's a three-minute clip and he says a lot worse things.
He says, I'm gonna F you up.
And so, you know, Fairpoint, like, he should not have done that, right?
I haven't watched the full thing.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I haven't watched it.
I think it's really hard because Saying really nasty things one time, like does that constitute being an abusive person or is it just you lost control in this one moment, right?
Like we have no way to know what the pattern of their relationship is and that's why it's hard to see this stuff online because like they have children, the internet is forever, is this one terrible fight for a couple that's already falling apart or is this a pattern of behavior that it's hard for the public to wrap their heads around because he is a public figure?
lucas botkin
Well, this could be another issue of, I mean, often, not always, but in relationships, it's not always just one person at fault.
It can be both people are at fault.
Kind of like how wars happen.
There's not always a good guy and a bad guy.
Sometimes it's just two kind of bad guys duking it out.
I just think that's a whole nother, again, there's just not enough context to know, but I also know, and maybe this is maybe a little bit of personal experience, I've been married for two years now, being in a position like he's in of constant criticism under a microscope at all times, that can put stress on a marriage.
tim pool
I want to stress this, too.
I didn't watch the three minute- I didn't realize Yasha released the entire three and a half minutes.
I watched the clip on Twitter, and when I opened up the article on my phone, the video wasn't there.
Like, I didn't see the video there until just now.
So that's my mistake, so I apologize for that.
He snaps at her, saying, watch it, effing watch it, I will F you up, which led to his wife fleeing their home.
So, like, I think it's bad, and I'm just- I'm like...
The issue I take with it is it's personal, private stuff.
If Crowder did wrong, he's paying the price for it.
The only reason it's news is because Crowder is a prominent figure who's challenging the establishment, and they know that they can take him down with something like this.
They've been waiting for something like this.
If Crowder did something wrong in this moment, he should apologize for being wrong and doing the wrong thing.
lucas botkin
Make things right to her.
tim pool
But the purpose of this is to cause political and PR damage to a prominent individual who is challenging the machine.
phil labonte
It's just to smear.
It's pure culture war.
It's just smearing Crowder because he's on the right.
That's all it is.
It's unfortunate, but that's, that's the, the, yeah, it's the world.
hannah claire brimelow
And it doesn't make like the way he's talking to her.
Okay.
It just means if he were a private citizen, it would still be wrong.
lucas botkin
This happens all the time.
This is happening a thousand other times in America, somewhere else with other people.
All over.
No one will know about it, talk about it, don't care.
They only care because it's him.
And her.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
hannah claire brimelow
Sorry.
I just feel bad for the kids, right?
Because, like, obviously this seems contentious and horrible.
Divorce is so difficult for children as it is, but, like... How many kids do they have?
I don't know.
tim pool
Two?
lucas botkin
Well, she's pregnant in the clip, so there's one on the way.
Twins.
tim pool
There's a lot of really serious accusations in here.
And, like, my view is just this.
I don't- I don't care to condemn someone because of clip.
Even the three minute- three and a half minute one, I read the quote where he said that and stuff like that and it's like, man, to take three minutes of someone's life and then condemn them over that without knowing everything else...
lucas botkin
Unless there was like serious, like, let's say he got up and started beating, that'd be different.
Cause then it'd be like, okay, that's pretty obvious.
That should be reported to the police.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think that's like one of the issues that so many people have about abuse, like the way people talk about abuse is because like, if like someone punched me in the face, right, we would all agree that's been not okay.
But if you are constantly in a place where you're like in fear because of the way you're being treated, the way you're talking to, like being talked to, stuff like that, like that is psychologically damaging.
It's just much harder to analyze.
In some ways, we wish abuse was more clear-cut and, like, in this case, like, we just don't have the context to know what's going on.
That's why it's like, I wish this wasn't out here.
I wish we weren't, we didn't have to talk about it or address it because, like, I would never, I don't think you can accurately prescribe what's going on from three minutes.
If it is a really toxic dynamic, I hope both of them get help.
And if it's, this was just a bad moment, I, again, I have to reiterate, like, they have children.
This will live on forever.
And that's who's suffering the most from all of this.
lucas botkin
Yeah, and the issue here too is they'll both be bothered by it.
They go through with the divorce, she goes somewhere else, people will always know her as the woman in this clip, and he'll always be known as the dude in this clip.
So they're both screwed over.
phil labonte
I don't see how there's a winner by releasing this.
Unless it's like a moment of anger, right?
lucas botkin
whether it be it could help with a lawsuit potentially or divorce court.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, having it would, but like putting it out and it doesn't give me
that, you know, having Yashar put it out, it doesn't it doesn't does.
I don't see how how there's any.
hannah claire brimelow
Unless it's like a moment of anger, right?
Like we really think she leaked it and she's like, the way you said your statement makes it sound like this
was something I did.
And you're the victim. And I feel like I suffered.
I mean, it's not an OK way to handle it, in my opinion.
tim pool
But again, it's my opinion I did not have to be involved with any of this and I again I just think that like these videos last forever and their kids are going to inevitably Google themselves and this will come up People are saying, like, don't defend Steven, blah blah blah, and I'm like, bro, I have seen so many videos from protests, or of people who are supposedly innocent being beaten by cops or whatever, and then the full video comes out.
And so I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying Steven's perfect.
He probably has to apologize for a lot, okay?
And that's fine.
But the fact is, this is being weaponized by people who just want to take down Steven Crowder for political reasons.
lucas botkin
Well, and if all of us examined ourselves, I mean, I know there have been nights that I've neglected my wife, not done things for her, and if there were clips posted of me sitting at my computer gaming and not spending time with her, people would be like, Whoa, look how selfish Lucas is playing video games and not spending time with his wife!
I mean, how many of us are guilty of similar things?
tim pool
How about this?
What if you were playing video games with your wife, and you're saying stuff like, if I catch you, I will kill you!
Yeah, right?
I can't believe he said that and that's like your wife's laughing and she's like oh and you know exactly but context matters too.
What I don't like about this video is I just The question of who leaked it.
And if it was leaked, is this like, was someone aware that they were having a recording created and they said things, you know what I mean?
Just like, imagine if you walked up to somebody who trusted you and didn't think that you would leak a recording of them or whatever.
And then they said something to you intentionally to make you angry that you knew wasn't true and there's nothing you can say.
Like, if I went to film and was like, I know you stole my bike.
You'd be like, what?
And then you have a negative reaction to it.
Then someone leaks the footage being like, when Tim confronted Phil over stealing his bike, Phil freaked out and got really angry.
lucas botkin
So it must be true.
Yeah.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Wouldn't you be angry if someone accused you of abusing them if you if you didn't do it?
You know what I mean?
I'm not saying Connor's innocent.
I'm not saying he's innocent at all.
I'm just saying, like, critical thinking skills are really important.
I didn't have this even slated for tonight until everyone was, like, super chatting and asking about it.
And I'm like, the problem I see here is that everyone's jumping the gun and immediately just attacking Crowder over this.
And it's like, okay, like, I'll say it again.
Innocent until proven guilty.
It doesn't look good, but it's also none of our business.
hannah claire brimelow
Is there a date on this video?
tim pool
I think, yes.
I think it was 2021.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
This doesn't make, again, it doesn't make the exchange better at all, but like, it makes me wonder, like, you know, if you realize that you're in a terrible dynamic with someone, like, do you do work?
Do you seek out a priest or a therapist?
Like, how do you work through these things?
And like, at what point, like, we'll never know the context of what's going on or what afterwards looks like.
tim pool
It's June 26th, 2021.
So, so they have twins and...
Yeah.
phil labonte
So I don't want to get too in-depth on making assumptions about this.
Because of my experience and because of people close to me's experience with abusive partners and stuff, I'm gonna leave it at this.
If you're in a situation where you feel like you are being abused, just get out of it.
Just leave.
Our guitar player has passed away and leading up to his death, there was a lot of abuse in his relationship.
If you're in a situation, just leave.
Just leave.
Don't worry about telling people.
Don't worry about stories.
Just get out of it.
tim pool
I want to add one thing.
I don't like seeing videos on the internet that are like a short snippet and then condemning someone.
I like evidence.
That's what I did with the Covington kids.
But I also am aware that the left has this technique.
this trick where they'll start filming and then they'll go, why did you just do this thing?
Why did you just call me this slur?
Why did you just hit me?
And you don't actually see the thing happen.
You just see them saying, why did you do it?
And the other person is yelling and like, aha, here's a video of a person who did X. So it's just like, sorry, man.
lucas botkin
What can you believe anymore?
Yep.
tim pool
Well, apparently people are saying, uh, the wife released it, but you said that Crowder was lying about the situation.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I just, I don't know.
Why would the wife release it?
Is it because, like, she's not a public figure?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, but maybe that's what she's, like, unhappy about.
Like, she feels like she suffered, and now Steven's getting to say, like, this wasn't my choice.
I didn't want to get divorced.
And she's like, you didn't attend to our marriage the way you should have.
I'm just speculating.
I don't actually know.
tim pool
I don't want to, like... I guess one thing that Yasha reports is that Crowder actually got a divorce lawyer, like, in advance or something.
hannah claire brimelow
But he's in control of the money.
That makes sense to me.
tim pool
I find it all very suspect.
I really do.
Crowder is a person that they've been desperate to get rid of for a very, very long time.
He's extremely prominent and effective when it comes to messaging and humor and building culture.
He's the only competition for, well, Gutfeld now, but for a while it was the only right-leaning competition to late-night comedy or morning talk shows.
I am not saying he is innocent.
I'm just saying it gives me pause and makes me, you know, I find it suspicious.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and there are a lot of people who have chaotic personal lives who can do good, right?
Like, it doesn't make the messaging and, like, the entertainment value and the things that he has done to, like, introduce people to all kinds of important ideas less valuable.
It just means that he is a flawed person, but so is everyone at the end of the day.
lucas botkin
Yeah, but nobody, it's, it's tough.
Like I know I've mistreated people in relationships and, and even people at work and then also my wife neglecting her or whatever.
And I think a lot of people just are unwilling to acknowledge that.
Then they want to go judge everyone else's lifestyle instead of going, Oh, am I actually making some of the same mistakes?
And that, I think that's a lot of the problem.
And a lot of the reason they want to go after someone like Crowder or other people who are having issues with their, their own life is so that they can prop themselves up and feel good.
I'm not doing that!
It's like, no, you're actually doing that in another way, you just won't see that.
tim pool
But people are saying it's Crowder's fault he brought this up.
It's like, maybe the reason Crowder brought it up was because his wife gave the video footage to journalists.
And he knew it, and he was like, there's nothing I can do about it now, they're gonna publish this footage so I'll get in front of it.
Now people are acting like that's proof they had no choice but to release the footage and give a statement because Crowder brought it up.
And it's like, if this has been going on for two years and Crowder didn't say anything at all, ever, until Yasir Ali, like, right, was about, like, was just about to publish the story, it kind of lends itself to, they took this move against Crowder, not the other way around.
phil labonte
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
It's just sad.
lucas botkin
Sad all around, yep.
I don't know.
tim pool
Does this mean that, you know, you guys in the chat are gonna stop watching Steven Crowder or something?
lucas botkin
Some people will probably want to boycott him.
Probably, yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, I imagine so, but I don't imagine that his audience is gonna... I mean, it depends on what comes out.
If it's bad-mouthing and fighting and, you know, bitterly arguing with his wife, people probably won't leave him, like, high and dry.
They'll just be like, okay, you were kind of crappy, just so long as it's not too grossly offensive.
If it comes out that he was doing, you know, other kind of things that kind of cross physical lines or whatever, then he might lose an audience.
lucas botkin
Sure.
Well, this is kind of going back to the first topic of conversation with Budweiser.
If there was some stuff going on, and now this is public, for PR, but I also think just from a moral standpoint, if Crowder just did a video going, hey, I'm sorry you all have had to see my personal life and what happened.
Yes, I'm imperfect.
Yes, I did some of these things.
We're now trying to part ways as well as we can and etc, etc.
And he did a video, you know, coming forward and explaining the situation and apologizing.
for any wrongdoing that he did, because he probably did at some level, especially if the video, you know, based on the video.
I think a lot of people would go, Oh, okay.
Thank you.
You're transparent.
You're being genuine and real.
That's what they want Budweiser to do.
tim pool
Here's what I'm going to choose to believe.
I'm going to, I'm going to, I mean, this is a joke, by the way, that after Crowder came after the Daily Wire, Jeremy Borington's down and he's like, And then he's like, pull out all the stops.
It's time for my revenge.
And then like Candace and Michael Knowles are there and Matt Walsh and they're like, we're at your disposal, Jeremy.
And he's like, I want dirt on this guy.
Whatever you can find.
I'm kidding.
phil labonte
Call up my buddy at Amazon so that way I can get his ring camera.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh my gosh.
That's why you shouldn't have a Ring camera.
tim pool
I know.
lucas botkin
Watching this, I'm like, I don't want any cloud-based cameras.
hannah claire brimelow
And we all floated, like, was it a hack?
tim pool
No, no, apparently they're saying that, I guess Candace said it was the wife.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the simplest explanation, but I'm just anti-Amazon Ring cameras, and I feel like this is a good moment to put that in there.
lucas botkin
Close your case all the way.
tim pool
When someone is on camera and they're like, Phil, that time you struck me was wrong.
And then you're like, what are you talking about?
Don't deny it.
Now you're proving it.
And then the footage gets released and it's like, oh, wow, look at this.
Phil looks really, really bad.
I'm just kind of like, you know, she walks up to him and she says he's abusing her and then gives the footage to someone.
It's kind of like.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
tim pool
He does yell.
unidentified
He does yell and he says some crazy stuff I would not hear.
phil labonte
15 minutes ago there was a 38 Chinese warplanes and six vessels of the People's Liberation Army Navy detected around Taiwan, Taiwanese Defense Ministry says.
tim pool
But what does that have to do with Crowder getting divorced?
phil labonte
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Classic China breaking news on a Friday, by the way.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
phil labonte
I'm sorry.
hannah claire brimelow
Feels like I can't keep going.
phil labonte
Tim, this is more important.
I just saw that.
tim pool
Where did you see that story?
phil labonte
Insider paper.
They are verified.
So that means they have $8.
That means they have $8?
unidentified
259,000 followers.
phil labonte
Do people trust people more with blue checkmarks still, do you think?
I don't think so.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think so.
hannah claire brimelow
Because now you can buy one.
tim pool
I'm not seeing this story.
hannah claire brimelow
It was arbitrary about who got it.
lucas botkin
People definitely respected it back then.
Like, for sure.
hannah claire brimelow
But then it was at Twitter's discretion.
Like, if they liked you, you would get one.
I get that it had, like, a symbolic meaning.
unidentified
Oh, right.
tim pool
This is just breaking right now.
Thirty-eight warplanes, six vessels of People's Liberation Army Navy detected around Taiwan.
Taiwanese Defense Ministry says, Well, I mean, OK, it's the waiting.
I can't stand.
phil labonte
So China, come on, get on with it.
tim pool
Especially, you know, I actually thought they would make the moves closer to the election because it would be more chaotic.
During elections, the president is limited in what they can or can't do.
lucas botkin
Because they're so distracted.
tim pool
No, it's not just that.
It's that if there's pros and there's cons.
If Joe Biden reacted decisively and took action, people might cheer for it, but if he screws up, he's done for and it'll put someone else in power.
So it ties their hands behind their back.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe we're sitting here talking about stupid culture war drama nonsense and China's about to invade Taiwan.
phil labonte
Yeah, World War III is starting, right?
tim pool
Yeah, how many times have we said World War 3 started by now?
I think it's like 8?
Maybe 16?
I think the Pope said World War 3 started.
Russian media says World War 3 has started.
hannah claire brimelow
Russia's media has been on it for a while.
It started in Russia.
phil labonte
They're dying for it.
They're really hoping as well.
tim pool
Yeah.
But I don't know.
I'm not seeing much more on this one.
phil labonte
Me neither.
I'm sorry.
That could be a false start.
tim pool
It could also be a training exercise.
No, I mean, this is being reported.
Inside Paper is reporting it, right?
So, we'll see, I guess.
But hey, I don't know.
How about this little tidbit?
Vice News is gone.
hannah claire brimelow
Does it make you nostalgic, Tim?
tim pool
It breaks my heart.
It breaks my heart.
Vice News Tonight formally shut down.
And I just think it's funny that you've got these Vice News staffers that are like, to the original crew that helped launch Vice News, we changed the game, blah blah blah.
I'm like, that's me.
You know you're talking about me, right?
Because you guys don't like me.
But you're, I was thinking of like retweeting him and being like, thank you, thank you.
Thank you for the compliment.
So for those that don't know, I was the first person hired at Vice to start Vice News.
There was no Vice News, they hired me, and then like six months later they were like, should we create a news division, like a brand for this?
And then they did.
And I was, so they had news in the sense that Vice would make documentaries and then it would just,
they would say like, it's a news thing.
And then eventually decided to launch a specific brand called Vice News.
I was the first person.
And so I brought new methodologies, new technologies and reporting styles.
They then hired a bunch of people.
I left after about a year and a few months.
And then they went woke real quick.
It was really creepy.
Over like a year after I left, the company just went woke, woke, woke.
And it was so weird because when I was there, it was like sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
phil labonte
Tumblr was still around.
As soon as they got sex off of Tumblr, all the woke stuff got spilled out into the rest of the internet.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you feel it coming when you were there at all?
tim pool
Absolutely not.
And I mean, there was corporatizing.
You could feel that.
But apparently what happened was a friend of mine who is a higher up said that they had faced
too many sexual harassment lawsuits.
And so the investors came to them and said, the only way out of this is to embrace feminism.
And they said, you got it.
And that was their defense against being sued for sexual harassment and stuff.
lucas botkin
So does this mean Vice, and I don't fully understand this, Vice is just gone or is Vice still a thing?
tim pool
No, Vice is a thing.
lucas botkin
Vice News is gone.
tim pool
Vice News tonight is being cancelled and they're laying a bunch of people off.
So they'll still have something called Vice News, but the main show that was on TV for the past decade is gone.
lucas botkin
Ah, so is this the first TV show gone as the internet is taking over?
Is that what this is?
tim pool
Well, no, no, it's just get well go broke.
They burned themselves to the ground.
The first show they had was called Vice and it was amazing.
The first show, just Vice was so good.
Man, Vice back in the day, for people who know it, it was basically four dudes, it was Saroosh, it was Shane, it was, who was the other guy?
unidentified
Was it?
tim pool
No, Gavin was gone at this point.
They had four hosts of their show.
I can't remember their names.
And then the show was basically like weird travel stuff.
It was traveling on the world to crazy places and exploring.
And then, I guess what happened was HBO wanted to cancel it, and so they announced abruptly, before HBO re-upped it, that they were already being renewed for a new season, which forced HBO's hand, but then HBO came back.
I don't know if this is true, this is what I heard when I worked there.
HBO came back and said, how dare you?
And they were like, too bad, you're locked in now.
It's been announced to the press and everyone's expecting it.
And so then HBO was like, if we're going to do it, then changes have to be made.
And here's the best part.
I was told that I couldn't host for them because I was a white dude.
lucas botkin
That doesn't seem racist at all.
tim pool
Oh my goodness.
But I was like, but I'm actually mixed race.
And they're like, yeah, but you know, you're a guy who looks too white.
And so they were like, and you can notice this too, when you look at the advice on HBO staff, they bring in like an Indian guy, some women, they brought in a bunch of women.
And so when I had joined them, I said, I want to be an on-air host and I will bring my brand and the work that I do.
And they agreed.
And then sure enough, I asked them and they were like, two things.
One, fair point, I did not have hosting experience for documentary.
So I was doing, like, basically what I'm doing now.
And they wanted more pizzazz.
Totally fair.
So they had me host some stuff.
But then when it came to HBO, they said, you're a white dude, have a nice day, get lost.
They didn't say it like that.
They're just like, look, we've got a mandate.
They want, you know, people of color and women.
lucas botkin
But they just straight up said it.
tim pool
Oh yeah, hands down.
I mean, I was told the same thing by Fusion when I worked there, the ABC News company, when they did, they had the Black and Brown Forum, and they brought in, they had like three of their senior talent, staff talent, and then one external guy, and this was like Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were being questioned by a panel of journalists, and so they just said nothing to me, and So I go to the president and I was like, is there a reason you guys had the other main talent and not me, your, like, senior reporter?
And the guy goes, oh, it's because it's racist.
Because you're white.
Literally told me that.
And then I was like, but I'm mixed.
He's like, yeah, but come on, man.
And I was like, I mean, hey, look, the dude was kind of cool.
I get it.
I mean, he was just a businessman.
lucas botkin
That's when you call up the makeup artist for Tropic Thunder and you're like, do me up and I'm going to go back in there.
tim pool
I just thought that was so funny.
I was like, OK.
lucas botkin
Well, all right then.
And when was that?
How many years ago was that?
tim pool
This was 2014 or 15, I think 2015, because it was like the presidential election.
They were having Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, and they were going to be questioned by people.
And it was called the Black and Brown Forum.
And then I was like, I guess being like Asian doesn't count.
Like, I don't count as like part of this diverse America.
And keep in mind too, because a lot of people might want to say like, Tim, you're politics.
No, no, no.
This is almost a decade ago.
And I had no politics.
Like, I had politics, but I wasn't doing anything like this.
My videos were all like, I'm here on the ground in Fukushima, Japan, and there's radiation everywhere.
lucas botkin
You were a journalist.
tim pool
That's all I was doing.
There was no, like, me coming in the office and being like, here's what I think about the wage gap, here's what I think about guns.
It was literally just like, oh, I did a documentary on police brutality and the Ferguson riots.
And that was what I worked on.
And then when it came to this, they outright said, you look too white, you can't be involved.
I'm like, that's the world they wanted to create.
So, good riddance to all of you.
hannah claire brimelow
If only your genetics had performed slightly differently and you looked slightly more Asian.
unidentified
That's like the most, like, it's so disgusting to hear people talk like that, but like, it sounds... It sounds like it would have helped you in this case anyway, though.
lucas botkin
In this case, being more Asian wouldn't have helped.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I think they don't like Asian people.
No, I mean, it probably would have.
It probably would have.
But I actually lobbied to him.
I was like, isn't it fair to say that, like, a mixed race person is representative of a changing America and should have a voice?
And he was just like, you look white, dude.
hannah claire brimelow
You have to, like, bring your grandma with you.
unidentified
Be like, no, for real, look, I can prove it.
hannah claire brimelow
That's so weird.
lucas botkin
Pull on Elizabeth Warren and be like, I'm actually this.
tim pool
Well, they would let her in.
That's the funny thing.
They'd be like, welcome, please sit down.
Tell us about your native tribe.
But that's why I can't stand all the woke people and the race theory stuff and the ideology is because it's all lies.
It's all just not true.
Luke Rakowski is a person of color?
He's got blonde hair and blue eyes!
What's going on?
Oh, he's Polish.
So he's... Slavic.
That's right.
But Asians overperform, so we don't count.
And I'm mostly white, so I just... Ridiculous.
lucas botkin
I mean, you guys are good at literally everything, no matter what, so... That is true.
tim pool
That's right.
We made gunpowder before you guys.
lucas botkin
That's true.
tim pool
And the compasses.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
lucas botkin
Whatever, man.
tim pool
Good riddance to a bad problem.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you see that they just had the state dinner with South Korea, and we invited all of our South Korean-adjacent influencers, like Maddox Pidgeolli.
He went with his mom, Angelina, and Joanna Gaines was there.
It made me very uncomfortable, but maybe people liked it.
I don't know.
Wait, like the White House brought... So like the president of South Korea is visiting, so they have a state dinner.
tim pool
And they invited Asian people?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, like they had the Canadian one a couple years ago.
Blake Lively and her husband, because he's Canadian, got to go.
And this time, you know, they always invite some celebrities.
So it was like Joanna Gaines, who does the Waco, you know, house stuff.
And she's also, I don't remember what percentage, but she's also of Korean descent.
And then Angelina Jolie went with her son, who is of South Korean descent.
I think he even lives there now.
I'm not totally sure.
unidentified
But it did feel a little bit, like, weird.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
Maybe no one else felt that way.
Slightly, right?
lucas botkin
Pandering is the strategy nowadays.
I mean, it's what you have to do to survive.
Well, or die, I guess, in this case.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess maybe they wouldn't invite me to something like that because it would be offensive to the Korean people because the older generation are very racial supremacist.
hannah claire brimelow
Joanna Gaines went.
She's mixed.
tim pool
But is she half?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
Maybe?
tim pool
Because she passes as Korean.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think she can also pass as white.
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like this is going to get- There's no way for me to talk about this in a way that's okay.
unidentified
Is this the best of both worlds, where you can pass as two different- And she brought her white husband, so I don't know.
tim pool
Most of my life, white people just assumed I was Mexican.
But for real, the way my facial hair grows.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And they'd just be like, you know, they'd be like, oh, you're Mexican.
lucas botkin
So you have the best of all three worlds, is what you're saying.
tim pool
I guess, unless you're surrounded by woke people who just don't want to be dealing with what you are, because in their world, if they can't define you by race, they can't define you at all.
phil labonte
They're going to be horribly racist anyway.
lucas botkin
Well, there's a solution.
You just have to be trans, and then you're at the top.
You're at the pinnacle if you do that.
tim pool
That's true.
Yeah.
lucas botkin
That is the meta content move, is to be trans.
tim pool
If I told you my sexual preference, would that put me at the higher portion of the list?
lucas botkin
It's probably a little elaborate up there.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, maybe.
tim pool
It's like you go to these meetings and they say, like, hey, you, you, Phil, you, you can't come in here.
And then he goes, what if I told you my sexual preference?
I'm listening.
phil labonte
I'm poly.
tim pool
Oh, that puts you, uh, 50, 50.
You, uh, you win.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't get to host, but you do occasionally get to be a featured guest.
lucas botkin
So it is funny.
So with, uh, government, government contracting, that is a thing.
Like when there's a bid out there for, uh, you know, purchasing a thing, it's like if they're a female owned business, if they're veteran owned, If they're disabled and if they, I believe, race is another one.
So there are companies that literally will pick a CEO who can stack as many of these things as possible to be the tiebreaker for contracts.
It's already a structure.
tim pool
There's a good news.
Timcast is a minority owned company.
lucas botkin
Oh, there you go.
Boom.
tim pool
Can I add it to our Google or whatever?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Like, you know, that they rank us up because...
You know, that's some pronouns as well. You probably yeah, I put my pronouns in there and then we'll get number one
lucas botkin
I tried to put in a apache helicopter gunship on instagram and it didn't let me do that
tim pool
Oh, that's that's bigotry right there. It was all right, everybody. We're gonna go to super chat
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DasRusa is so happy Lucas showed up.
GWOTVet here just found a community here in Florida who trains every Saturday.
We'll be training with them and growing the two-way community down here for more free and self-reliant Florida.
Thanks, Lucas.
lucas botkin
Awesome.
Love to hear it.
tim pool
Right on.
Sideways2013 said, So earlier, my default Democrat mom, who voted Biden, came to me and was pissed about Biden putting forward higher mortgage fees for people with good credit to cover for bad credit.
Equality versus equity.
There it is!
Did you guys see that story?
phil labonte
Yeah, that I can't believe.
tim pool
If you've got bad credit, your costs go down.
If you've got good credit, it goes up.
phil labonte
Unreal.
tim pool
Communism is coming, baby!
And it's gonna suck!
hannah claire brimelow
And the people who suffer most are the people in the middle of that.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
What do we got here?
John Kristen says, Lucas, love the Arrow 308 5K review video.
Any other 308 5K videos in the works?
Love to see one either for the Sig 716i or Ruger SFAR.
lucas botkin
No.
Yeah, that took a lot of time, a lot of energy.
It was not the 308 recoil, that was not the problem.
It was just so much time to do that video.
But we'll do more.
hannah claire brimelow
Is that normal for your gun review videos?
Does it take like...
lucas botkin
So, no, I wanted to shoot a rifle to 5,000 rounds, and it's a .308 rifle, so, like, it punches a little bit, but on a range day, I can efficiently only shoot maybe 1,000 rounds, and so it's five film days plus stuff in the middle, so, I mean, we're talking three weeks to finish one video, when a lot of content creators will do a video in a day, and I'm like, I'm gonna keep going out there, so, you know, it's at least four videos or one.
tim pool
I do, like, eight per day.
Yeah, I just turned the camera.
lucas botkin
I do not.
I do not want your life.
I don't want to be... I don't know, it's probably easier.
hannah claire brimelow
No.
tim pool
My production is that I read the news and then I complain about it, you know what I mean?
lucas botkin
Yeah, but what happens, you know, before the show, it's like, ah, what's there to talk about?
tim pool
Right, the pre-production hour where it's like... So the reason this show works, for those that know, is because of my morning show.
During the morning show, I read 8,000 articles.
Then when we come upstairs an hour before this show, I'm like, here's the news, everybody, like, here's everything I saw today, what do you guys think?
And then we pick what we think is the big story.
That's cool.
Yeah.
All right.
DisStupidB says, I'm glad to see such a great two-way advocate on the show.
Love your content, Lucas.
I also hope Mr. Potato Man loves my name, coming from a fellow potato man.
Oh yeah.
Potato Man's not here.
He left.
hannah claire brimelow
Couldn't handle the heat.
He's weak and he left.
I'm just kidding.
I don't know where he is.
tim pool
Marshall P says, Tim, whatever happened to TimCast grants to help new projects fight the culture war?
In the works!
The difficult thing is being one person and doing all of this crazy stuff.
It is very difficult.
However, I have given, uh, how many grants have I given?
I think I've given two in the past couple of weeks.
So, the issue is, I don't know if I should be announcing who I gave money to?
hannah claire brimelow
You don't want them to get targeted or something?
tim pool
I just, you know, yeah, I don't know.
There have been, uh, what's the thing?
So the idea is once a month to grant 10k to someone who's working on a cultural project.
To, uh, like... I mean, is it public?
lucas botkin
Is the thing they're working on going to be a public thing that everyone... Yes.
tim pool
And so this month I've given some money out, but I don't know if, like, they've given me permission to just be like...
lucas botkin
They're funded by... Because you don't want to Oprah-bump them.
You don't want to be like, over here!
And they're not ready for that kind of attention.
tim pool
But I need their... You know, I don't want to... Yeah, I think because the two things that I just recently funded, I just chose to do.
I didn't have a pre... Like, I didn't go to them and say, hey, here's the plan.
I just gave them the money.
So it's like 20 grand I've given out in the past week.
So the problem with not ever saying where it's going No, this is just one time right now, I'm saying.
In the future, the idea is like, we'll hit someone up and be like, hey, we want to shout you out on the show and we want to give you some money for this.
But these two, one's not really a, it's not fair to say I gave out 20.
I gave out, I gave 10 grand to a person doing very important work.
And then I gave money to someone who's doing some other fighting that's not super cultural or whatever.
But, uh, it's not necessarily where we're trying to go with it, so I don't think I want to shout out... If it's not a consistent thing, then I... But the idea is, like, once a month, maybe at the end of the month, we will say, this is the person we've chosen.
So the issue is, it's going to be in the Discord, where we're trying... There's a lot of challenges to this.
If it's in the Discord, meaning you have to be a member, now all of a sudden there's some kind of, like, sweepstakes thing to it, so then do we have to invest in the project?
Makes it very, very difficult.
So, we're trying to figure out, and the idea was, if you're in the Discord, we have people basically vote on it.
Members of TimCast.com can be like, hey, we think this project should be shouted out on the show, and we want to do that every Friday.
We were going to shout out Salty Draws, one of our members, last Friday, but he asked us to wait until he was ready and we could actually review the book, so then we waited.
But that's the other thing we're planning on doing.
Fridays, we will do a sponsor spot for our members.
So, people who are members at TimCast.com, Are sponsoring the show!
So it's like, why read out some corporate ad when we can just shout you guys out and help your projects?
That was a brilliant idea coming from one of our members.
So yeah, Tim Cass grants is preliminary.
And I might just give a bunch of money away like crazy.
I don't know.
lucas botkin
It's awesome.
tim pool
Well, like my thing is, I don't need to buy another car.
I actually have a lot of cars.
lucas botkin
And we do need more people.
unidentified
Okay.
lucas botkin
If the left has all this funding, which they do a lot, I don't think anyone's going to dispute that.
The right needs funding too.
So when people can help do some of that, Pretty awesome.
tim pool
Maybe we can do like a Mr. Beast style thing, you know, like giving money to people in fun ways to make more money and then give more money away.
But yeah, the general idea is to give money to people so that they can produce cultural work so that if we give a hundred people money and one of them writes, you know, a masterpiece, then we're expanding our cultural influence.
lucas botkin
That's good.
tim pool
So I did just give out a bunch of money to someone I thought deserved it.
I'm not going to shout them out unless they explicitly tell me they're cool with me doing it, so I'm not going to, but they're someone that everyone knows who's doing very important work.
phil labonte
So what's happening?
tim pool
But yeah, yeah, so the issue is for us, it's are we investing?
Are we legally cleared to do it?
And it's just, it's a nightmare getting all this stuff going.
Like we've been, we got the coffee shop in the works, the coffee just started shipping, so there's a lot of... Bags of cash.
lucas botkin
Oh, we're going to a cashless society.
Never mind.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the thing, too.
Like, I think our coffee shop might be, like, cash only or something.
But I don't know how long you can resist, you know what I mean?
Right?
hannah claire brimelow
And are you potentially losing business?
Some people who don't carry around that much cash.
phil labonte
Too bad!
The point is they're gonna demand taxes be paid in the currency.
That's how the currency is going to have guaranteed value.
tim pool
There will be a banking crisis.
They will say you have to convert your cash to Fed coin or whatever.
And then they're going to demand that payment for taxes.
Anyway, let's move on.
Let's move on.
Let's read some more Super Chats.
Aaron says, Serge, thanks for crash-proofing the UFO.
What is that?
serge du preez
Uh, I don't know what you're talking about, and you also spelled my name incorrectly, so I'm just gonna ignore that.
It's all good, though.
hannah claire brimelow
Is this the fact that I somehow managed to dislodge the UFO every time I sit in this chair?
serge du preez
Maybe, I don't know.
I'm not gonna say it.
hannah claire brimelow
I've done it at least three times, to be honest.
serge du preez
Hey, well, when you're making these pretty origami swans, by the way, which we've been making the entire time, I can understand.
hannah claire brimelow
You guys go.
Did you guys ever read the thing about the thousand paper cranes?
serge du preez
Yes, I did.
hannah claire brimelow
I just want Search to have a wish by the end of the night.
serge du preez
Oh, true, but then am I gonna die from cancer?
unidentified
What is this poor thing?
hannah claire brimelow
No, we're resisting it.
tim pool
Why is its back so big?
hannah claire brimelow
Look, I don't have origami paper, I'm using post-it notes.
We're doing the best we can.
unidentified
Those should work, let me see.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, so now it's a competition?
How interesting.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
Is it because they're not... Does that, like, jump if you push on it?
lucas botkin
Can you, like, push on it?
unidentified
There's squares.
hannah claire brimelow
No.
lucas botkin
Like the little frog.
tim pool
Yeah, I can make those.
The frogs that jump.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you guys want to post a note?
Do you want to join in my quest?
tim pool
The sticky part of it makes it hard.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, the sticky is the challenge.
lucas botkin
I'll make a little origami gun.
tim pool
See if I can make a gun.
hannah claire brimelow
I can make a balloon where you actually blow it up and it... And then you can write, like, a little message on the inside of those and, like, look through them.
tim pool
Can you make the fortune teller thing?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I can make those.
It'll be hard with the sticky.
I'll come better prepared for next show.
serge du preez
Cool, appreciate it.
tim pool
Jack Tatro says, Luke is a huge fan of your work, been looking forward to this episode for the longest time.
I have a few of your holsters and a hat signed by your amazing staff.
Train.
lucas botkin
Oh, that's cool.
tim pool
I-Y-S-Y-S.
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
lucas botkin
If you suck, you suck.
tim pool
Oh, yes!
That's true.
lucas botkin
Yep, yep.
hannah claire brimelow
Just some words to live by, you know.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
Matthew Schneider says, Hey Tim, I saw the results of your Twitter poll earlier on whether the mentally ill should vote.
What are your thoughts?
Makes me kind of sad because I have a diagnosis, but I'm also stable and far from an insane leftist.
So, I was really, really, really annoyed at the responses that I got to that poll.
I said, Should people with mental illnesses be allowed to vote?
I did not say, should the government be able to subjectively define mental illnesses so
they can restrict their political enemies from voting.
And that's what so many people started saying.
Mental ill people should be allowed to vote because the government will claim everyone's
mentally ill.
I'm like, that's not the question.
The question is, in your mind, there were no external parameters to this.
Quite literally, a person is standing there and they're like, yes, mentally ill.
Should they vote or should they not vote?
It's not a question about the government, but the government can and will not do.
It's whether or not you think people who have mental illnesses should be allowed to vote.
That's it.
No context.
I think it's not.
My response is you can't really answer it in a poll, which is unfair that I asked it in a poll.
lucas botkin
Sure.
tim pool
Because The answer is mentally ill people within a certain confine of, like, a certain category of mentally ill shouldn't vote.
But how we define mental illness can vary in which someone has a mental illness that doesn't impair their judgment on policy issues, it just makes them, like, anxious.
And we call that a mental illness or something, you know what I mean?
lucas botkin
Or... Do they consider ADHD a mental illness?
tim pool
Probably.
I think those are mental disorders.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's like on the learning disability spectrum.
tim pool
I just think that if you took away, if anybody who was mentally ill wasn't allowed to vote, as much as I'm not saying I'm in favor of that process, I do think society would be functioning to a much, much, much, much, much better degree.
lucas botkin
But my question would be, so a question that's always thrown out about, you know, everyone should have guns, everyone should have the right to own guns.
People go, what about someone with Down syndrome?
And I'm like, okay.
Do you actually know anyone with Down syndrome that really wants to own a gun?
And so I kind of bring up the same question.
If someone is actually mentally, like, genetically, their brains, whatever, got some issue, like, is this even a question?
Is this even a thing?
Or is it a thing, a scenario we're coming up in our mind that's not actually a legitimate scenario?
phil labonte
It's like the nuclear weapons question when it comes to the 2A.
lucas botkin
Right, exactly.
phil labonte
And people that are like, oh, you know, if you're a Second Amendment absolutist, do you think people should be allowed to own nuclear weapons?
Can people own nuclear weapons?
No.
You need a state infrastructure to be able to produce nuclear weapons.
What are you talking about?
tim pool
There was a guy who made a radioactive death ray in his garage.
phil labonte
That's different than a nuclear weapon.
tim pool
You're talking about an explosive.
phil labonte
Okay, so when I say nuclear weapon, my thought process goes to a thermonuclear weapon, not something that has a radiological component.
tim pool
Who makes nuclear weapons?
phil labonte
Usually states make them.
They don't.
Okay, so they're probably made by... Private corporations.
lucas botkin
I'm not sure who does them.
tim pool
Private contractors produce the weapons for them.
Yeah.
So that was the big issue when I said that individuals have a right to keep and bear
nuclear weapons and everyone's like, no they don't.
I'm like, it's private corporations that are making the weapons for the government.
It's not, you know, so they have contracts with the government.
phil labonte
Yes, but no individual owns the corporations.
Those are all... Government.
Government or their large... The point is, the infrastructure required to produce or procure or to sustain a nuclear weapon means that you... Elon could do it.
unidentified
He's already launching rockets and stuff.
phil labonte
But again, this comes to the point where you're talking about a handful of people and states, so practically nuclear weapons as a means of self-defense is not an actual topic.
lucas botkin
And that's where I feel like a lot of these arguments on like, oh, can mentally unwell people or people with Down syndrome want guns?
I'm like, Let's go find some facts that this is actually happening, that it's an actual realistic scenario, a realistic what-if, and let's not base a bunch of laws on a thing that doesn't even happen.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lucas botkin
And restrict everyone else.
hannah claire brimelow
I would wonder, too, if the pushback against, like, if you said mentally ill people can't vote, like, if people would say, well, you're discouraging people from seeking counseling and potentially being diagnosed because they think you'll take this away from them and therefore that's more dangerous.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't think anyone should vote, but that's just me.
unidentified
So how do you, uh, I don't know, but I mean, sure.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't have to have an answer to say that I don't want something to happen.
I mean, I don't, you know, I, I, I'm, I'm, I've got that, that whole, like, you know, emotional anarchist thing going on with me.
lucas botkin
Yeah, there's always a hierarchy established.
phil labonte
It's always powerful.
unidentified
But in his dream world, no one votes.
phil labonte
Exactly.
Whenever you have any kind of government or whatever like that, there are hierarchies and stuff like that and corruption and stuff like that.
And so if I'm going to have my own dream world, it's going to be the But in your dream world, doesn't that hierarchy form anyway?
hannah claire brimelow
Like, hierarchies form no matter what.
That's just part of nature.
Oh, this is a nice one.
I don't know this technique.
It's an alternative crane shape.
tim pool
Yeah, your cranes are fat.
I don't understand how you're making them.
hannah claire brimelow
I feed them too much.
They go to McDonald's all the time.
tim pool
Mine are thinner.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know how you made this one.
It feels like it'll stand more.
Well, yours leans.
tim pool
That was nice.
Yeah, you can stand them up.
And then there's another way to make it so you can flat by pulling its tail, but this one doesn't.
hannah claire brimelow
I have to do some more research.
I've been making cranes the same way since my art teacher had us do it for hours and hours in like the third grade.
I've never seen such an effective art class.
He was like, here's this amazing story.
Now if you make a thousand of these and that's all we did for one.
lucas botkin
Why can't classes be like that now?
tim pool
So you may not know this, but the reason why I can make this paper crane is because being part Korean and Japanese, it is just cellular memory.
And when I was a child, I could just do it.
But you'll also notice it's pretty crappy.
And that's because I'm only 5% Japanese, so it's only 5% effective in my origami making.
hannah claire brimelow
Am I appropriating your culture right now?
tim pool
I'm so sorry.
Well, yours suck because you're white.
hannah claire brimelow
That's so true.
unidentified
I'm not even taking that as a racial insult, although I guess we're starting at some point.
phil labonte
It's because of how white you are, too.
The gingerness makes you, like, the extreme white.
tim pool
I think the rules of wokeness are I'm allowed to say that, because you're appropriating my culture.
hannah claire brimelow
But to be fair, someone told me this is something I should be doing.
tim pool
No, let's be real, like, there's probably some, you know, middle-aged white dude who makes the best origami ever, and he, like, builds castles and stuff like that.
All right, we'll read some more Super Chats.
Oh, where are we at?
T-Rex Pet Shop says, since Ian bailed, I guess I'll have to tell you guys that you forced my hand in telling you the special deal we're doing.
You get a free dog or cat toy when you get $50 or more cat food, dog food, or cat litter.
Hey, T-Rex Pet Shop.
phil labonte
There you go.
Hey, absolutely.
What are the chances, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yours really does look so much better than mine.
phil labonte
T-Rex Pet Shop, when Lucas from T-Rex Arms is here.
tim pool
Daniel Smith says my Anheuser delivery this week was two cases.
Driver said total deliveries this week was around 200 pieces, last week 100.
Then Coors comes in with 30 cases and says their deliveries have doubled.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Oh, you'll love to see it.
unidentified
Oh, I should have bought the stock then.
tim pool
Put options.
Put options.
I wonder if Budstock is going to go down when the sales data comes in.
Because we saw the first week, a week later than last week.
So like next week, we're going to get the sales data from the previous week.
And I'm wondering, it's going to be like...
lucas botkin
Well, I'm saying I should have bought stock in all the other companies that were going to get more business.
tim pool
Oh yeah, hands down.
lucas botkin
Not them.
tim pool
Put options.
You short their stock.
I'm not going to buy any of that stock.
I'm not giving anybody financial advice.
I'm not actually going to do anything.
Please don't.
lucas botkin
But I think I can tell people to do things right.
tim pool
Now you're gonna get the, they'll sue you.
unidentified
Oh man.
hannah claire brimelow
What are you drinking instead?
Like did anybody drink Bud Light and have to like have a crisis?
lucas botkin
I drink like four times a year so I don't have to worry about it.
It's great.
phil labonte
I haven't had to drink since 2018 or something like that.
lucas botkin
Saved so much money.
phil labonte
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Serge, any thoughts on this one?
No Bud Light for you?
serge du preez
Not really, I'm just sad Modelo's gone, because I did like Modelo.
tim pool
Modelo's good.
serge du preez
That's about it.
tim pool
William H says, I've truly enjoyed Stephen's content over the years, but I just can't come back from what I heard coming from his mouth directed at his pregnant wife.
Godspeed Crowder, I hope you learn from this.
hannah claire brimelow
Hopefully he wouldn't have said it, even if she wasn't pregnant.
tim pool
And so that was basically, I was seeing a bunch of comments from people, and I'm like, alright, I'll pull the story out, you know, we'll talk about it.
lucas botkin
But now you can say you did, you don't have to do it tomorrow.
tim pool
Yeah I mean we probably will because the story is going to get crazier.
Crowder's probably going to address it.
hannah claire brimelow
I do think there is a merit to talking about chaotic relationships and being accountable for the way you speak and address people.
I think especially in like I don't want to stereotype too much but like conservative male circles like it's not a conversation that's easy to have but it's important that people are aware of their behavior.
lucas botkin
And unfortunately I didn't like I wouldn't want it to be this venue but Well, and it would have never come up if it had never been public, and so it wouldn't have been talked about anyway.
So it's like, it was kind of made public, and then it has to be talked about.
tim pool
Curtis Terry says, Phil, big fan of your cover of Thunder Rolls, but was kind of disappointed you didn't cover the third verse.
Any reason why?
phil labonte
The third verse is not in the official release, so we didn't do that.
We do that live, like if we do, like we'll do it acoustic, we'll do the third verse if we play it live, but on the record, we decided to do the record release that Garth actually did, so that's why.
unidentified
Will you cover Barbie Girl?
phil labonte
Uh, no.
hannah claire brimelow
Why not?
I feel like it'd be fun to see.
tim pool
When you finish watching Fast and the Furious.
unidentified
There is so much pressure to watch this movie series, and I don't like it.
phil labonte
Get on it!
tim pool
I gotta read this one.
hannah claire brimelow
I have to get a streaming service.
tim pool
David Violet says, I usually only donate $2, but a Guntuber gets $5.
Invite Lucas's dad, Grand Thumb.
lucas botkin
He's not my dad.
tim pool
That's a good name.
That's a good name.
lucas botkin
Yeah.
He's stuck with it now.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Forever.
tim pool
When I got the M1A, the first thing they did was explain to me the thumb thing.
And I was like, oh yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's funny.
lucas botkin
He's a good dude.
tim pool
You get your thumb stuck in it.
That's what it is.
phil labonte
Mike Smith, he's, and I like the fact that he's like, he's, he's, he's really funny too.
He's extremely comical.
lucas botkin
He's honestly more fun to hang out with in person than on the internet.
phil labonte
I want to meet him someday.
tim pool
Jack Opp says, hates him, I'm a bartender in SD.
phil labonte
Is that San Diego or South Dakota?
hannah claire brimelow
I hope it's South Dakota.
South Dakota, South Dakota.
tim pool
Well, I work at a bigger casino.
I haven't moved Bud Light in almost two weeks.
unidentified
That's South Dakota.
tim pool
It's been an interesting sight to see.
phil labonte
That's definitely South Dakota.
tim pool
You think?
phil labonte
Yep, 100%.
I find that Dakota's fascinating right now.
Because there's a lot of casinos up there because of reservations.
tim pool
And then, But California's got a couple, don't they?
phil labonte
Uh, nah, I wouldn't imagine in San Diego.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, not San Diego.
I think it's... I think, uh... Yeah, I don't know what casinos they have.
phil labonte
I think it's South Dakota.
tim pool
We've played all the... Oh, they have, um, what you call it?
When you go out to Palm Springs or whatever it is?
serge du preez
Palm Springs does.
tim pool
Yeah, the Native American one.
I've been there before.
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
Native American casino.
serge du preez
That's Palm Springs, not San Diego.
unidentified
No, I know.
tim pool
Yeah, it's far away.
But I'm just saying, like, in California they have them, so I wonder if there's anything down there.
What have we with Spork, which says, gun control is and has never been about guns, it has always been about control.
phil labonte
Yes.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
lucas botkin
No discussion there.
tim pool
Bray Kane says, gun customization is the best part of video games.
A street sweeper shotgun with 12 gauge flechette, is that how you say it?
Flechette, yeah.
Is fun.
Have you played The Division?
lucas botkin
The first one, long time ago, yeah.
tim pool
I liked it.
And you're like, all the guns are real guns.
lucas botkin
Yeah, they actually use the names, unlike other companies where like, oh, We'll get sued.
unidentified
Yeah.
lucas botkin
Yeah.
tim pool
I thought it was fun, you know, and it shows you like a, like a model of the gun when you're in your inventory and stuff.
phil labonte
That's the one where you're in, in, uh, DC, right?
tim pool
That's part two.
The first one.
Well, I think in part two, they go back to New York eventually.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
But, uh, I thought it was a great game.
It could have been so much better, but it was pretty good.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You're in New York.
The pandemic wipes out the world.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then you're in Times Square and stuff.
And it was, it was really weird playing the game with people who weren't from New York, having lived in New York and playing it.
And it's like, it's kind of weird.
phil labonte
Yeah.
lucas botkin
Was it modeled, I'm assuming they modeled it like one for one, like the actual streets?
tim pool
It wasn't one for, I mean yes, but like still smaller.
lucas botkin
Yeah.
tim pool
So when you go to like 30 Rock, it's a smaller plaza.
lucas botkin
So they, did they change the spaces between each landmark so you can kind of get to them faster?
tim pool
I think so.
lucas botkin
Pick a section of the city.
tim pool
I'm not entirely sure, it's a big map.
lucas botkin
Yeah it was, it was huge.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then I played Part 2, and that was in D.C.
And the weirdest thing I've ever experienced was the first time I went to D.C., I had been playing Fallout 3 for a long time.
And so I go to D.C.
and I'm like, I know where everything is!
phil labonte
Chevy Chase, what?
tim pool
Yeah.
I go into the subway and I'm like, I know exactly where I am.
lucas botkin
It's like, dude, over here!
tim pool
Yeah.
And I'm like, follow me, I know where I'm going.
And they're like, have you been here before?
I'm like, no, I just played Fallout 3.
unidentified
Crazy.
tim pool
That's crazy, man.
The future is gonna be weird.
hannah claire brimelow
Video games are wild, man.
phil labonte
They really are.
tim pool
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Infernal Saxon says car mufflers are unregistered suppressors.
So why?
Okay.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a philosophical question.
phil labonte
We're not gonna talk about that.
tim pool
Tiffany Garrison says, Hey Tim, I made you a Crochet Roberto Jr.
dressed like you and I want to send him to you.
Me and my honey love the show.
Do we still have the P.O.
box up?
hannah claire brimelow
Not on the website.
tim pool
It's not?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
tim pool
Are you sure?
hannah claire brimelow
I didn't think it was, but then we were on Pop Culture Crisis and Ian said it was?
tim pool
Yeah, if you go to TimCast.com, contact us.
The PO Box is there for sending things.
We typically don't accept a lot of things anymore because of security issues, but...
That's how you do it!
So, that'd be really cool.
Also, I guess the Rise with Roberto Jr.
Breakfast Blend has been selling like hotcakes.
It's because Roberto Jr., it's his thing, right?
So, I think what we're going to be launching is Mr. Bocas' Pumpkin Spice Experience.
is the is the focus one and it's going to be a year-round pumpkin spice availability because
we figured that this fake seasonal pumpkin spice thing we can do away with it's like you can only
get pumpkin spice in november and you know october yeah get out of here starbucks well that doesn't
even make sense i remember i went in and then i was like i want the pumpkin spice cold brew like
Like, we just got rid of that.
I'm like, why?
It's like ginger and nutmeg.
Come on, dude, hook it up.
So we're going to launch our own Mr. Bocas's pumpkin spice experience.
I wanted it to be Professor Bocas.
hannah claire brimelow
But you've been calling him Mr. Bocas for so long, I didn't realize he'd gotten his tenure, you know what I mean?
tim pool
Or Captain.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Captain Bocas.
hannah claire brimelow
I didn't realize he was enlisted.
Like, you know, we need other steps in his life.
tim pool
I guess we'll do Mr. Bocas.
phil labonte
I think it's a good idea to have a pumpkin spice, honestly.
lucas botkin
And it'll be available year-round.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're just gonna have it stocked.
So I will tell you there are challenges to this.
And we're probably gonna have to hire someone to basically run
Casprew specifically, because right now we're just kind of running out of the side. Allison takes
care of most of it.
But, um, maintaining stock, it's not like
let me just tell you guys, and most of you probably know this, but some of you may not realize,
we watch the orders, the product leaves There's actual, it's not like they make it, we have to make it per order, so we will make a small batch, sell a bunch, and then we have to constantly have this flow of ordering a bunch more, not ordering too much, not making too much.
It's gonna be fresh for everybody when they get it.
That means shipping times will vary.
Anyway.
phil labonte
It's not like you're storing blocks of wood like that stuff.
tim pool
Exactly.
phil labonte
It can go bad.
tim pool
Yeah, so it's like right now we are beginning to produce the next batch because we have been selling like hotcakes.
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Lucas, do you want to shout anything out?
lucas botkin
Yeah, obviously the company I started, T-Rex-Arms.com is our website where you can find training videos and products.
And then I'm also on social media, Instagram, LucasT-RexArms, Twitter, which I'm now only on Twitter because Elon bought it.
Right on!
So, I am on there.
phil labonte
Right on.
I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains.
The band is All That Remains.
You can find us on Spotify, all of the Apple Music, the YouTubes and stuff.
I am PhilThatRemains on Twitter, PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram, and Hannah Clare.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should go to TimCast.com.
Skip everything else.
You don't need it.
I'm just kidding.
Click on the read tab.
See the articles from me, from Adrian Norman, from Chris Burtman.
A lot of good work coming up there.
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Thanks so much!
serge du preez
And I am Serge.com.
I will keep pestering Hannah Claire about watching my favorite film franchise, which is Fast and the Furious.
hannah claire brimelow
Your favorite film franchise?
unidentified
What?
serge du preez
Yeah, it's great.
It's all about family, you know?
tim pool
It's fantastic.
What are you guys talking about?
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in a few minutes.
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